Nephilim Death Squad - Revelation Series Part II w⧸ Ed Mabrie

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00:02:42.020 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

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00:03:23.680 Welcome back, everybody, to Nephilim Death Squad.

00:03:27.280 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a.

00:03:29.760 The Raven.

00:03:30.700 That is the father of disinformation, Top Lobster.

00:03:34.000 And this is a special edition of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:03:37.460 Something that we're still kind of figuring out the name.

00:03:39.900 Dissecting the book of Revelation, maybe, is what we'll go with.

00:03:43.640 But here to guide us along that journey, returning for the second time in two weeks, is Ed Mabry.

00:03:50.380 Last time we did an episode, Ed, we just kind of whetted everyone's appetite about, you know, what we're going to be getting into.

00:03:57.660 And so I would say this is the first, like, official episode of that.

00:04:01.260 David, one thing.

00:04:02.740 Your mic seems just a little bit hot.

00:04:05.000 But I wanted to congratulate Ed on not only, I mean, you're making our Mount Crush more.

00:04:10.420 But you're also breaking records.

00:04:11.840 It's first back-to-back episode and then first person to be on three times.

00:04:16.820 So I'm happy that it's you.

00:04:19.160 I'm happy that it's you.

00:04:20.000 Because when I heard you on Tinfoil Hot, I was like, this is the guy.

00:04:23.140 This dude.

00:04:24.020 Yeah.

00:04:25.320 No, I'm honored.

00:04:26.320 Thanks for having me.

00:04:27.560 I really appreciate it.

00:04:28.660 Let me know how my mic, I'm turning down the, turning my input down a little bit.

00:04:34.460 Oh, no, your levels were good, Ed.

00:04:35.680 It was David.

00:04:36.700 David, that was the level.

00:04:37.180 Oh, okay.

00:04:37.440 I thought you meant my levels.

00:04:38.100 Okay, gotcha.

00:04:39.340 Yeah, no, you're good.

00:04:40.900 So, yeah, again, thank you for coming and doing this with us.

00:04:44.940 I guess this will be our first actual episode.

00:04:47.260 The last one was a primer.

00:04:48.860 Right.

00:04:49.280 I just tweeted out to the people, if you want to know why you feel like you're living in

00:04:53.100 biblical, living through biblical prophecy, this is a good place to start.

00:04:56.780 This video here.

00:04:57.640 And I truly believe that I'm excited for you to get into it.

00:05:00.340 So, I mean, take the floor, Ed.

00:05:02.420 Let us know.

00:05:03.800 Yeah.

00:05:04.020 So, again, thanks for having me back.

00:05:05.160 I'm excited to do this.

00:05:06.300 This is like my passion is just teaching in general and this book specifically because

00:05:11.260 it's such a fascinating book and it's so apropos for these times.

00:05:15.520 And so, last time, I gave an introduction and we talked about the kind of perspective of

00:05:19.640 it, like the divine perspective that this is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave

00:05:24.120 to him.

00:05:24.280 So, this is God, the father, Jehovah, Yahweh, talking to Jesus and revealing his plan back

00:05:31.140 to Jesus, you know, after he first ascends, you know, after his death and resurrection

00:05:34.640 and he's kind of giving him a download and that we get to eavesdrop on through the apostle

00:05:39.960 John, who has the honor and the privilege of writing down these visions.

00:05:44.880 And so, yeah, these are a bunch of several visions that he was given.

00:05:48.980 It says that, it says in the first few verses that God, Jesus, sent and signified it, rendered

00:05:56.780 this conversation between the father and the son into signs for the churches, for all the

00:06:02.940 churches.

00:06:03.500 We're going to talk specifically about the seven churches that were given this message,

00:06:09.200 but it's a message for everyone.

00:06:10.440 And we'll see exactly in a bit why it's such a global message and how those seven churches

00:06:16.500 translate to all of the churches.

00:06:19.300 So, you could technically say that the first three chapters of Revelation are technically

00:06:24.500 the most important for us because I think they are a part of the present, whereas the rest

00:06:29.880 is the future.

00:06:30.780 And I'll talk about what that means in a moment.

00:06:34.680 But just to set the stage of where this is happening, so you have the apostle John.

00:06:40.080 He's one of the original 12 disciples.

00:06:42.700 This is about 95 AD.

00:06:44.300 So, he's an old man at this point.

00:06:45.600 He's probably in his 80s, late 80s.

00:06:48.620 And he is the last living disciple.

00:06:51.560 All the other ones have been martyred, including, you know, including the apostle Paul, which

00:06:54.640 wasn't one of the 12, but he was, you know, obviously a very important apostle.

00:06:59.840 He wrote most of the New Testament.

00:07:01.020 They're all gone.

00:07:01.640 They've all been killed.

00:07:02.900 He's the only one who's left alive.

00:07:04.060 He's actually the only, it's believed he's the only one who died of natural causes.

00:07:09.220 But at this point, he has been arrested.

00:07:11.040 He's on an island called Patmos.

00:07:13.020 It's kind of a penal colony in the middle of the Mediterranean, like off of the island

00:07:18.680 of Crete.

00:07:20.300 And it says he was in the spirit on the Lord's day.

00:07:24.040 Most of your Bibles will say that.

00:07:25.720 But a better, I think a more accurate description is he was in the spirit on the day of the Lord.

00:07:32.580 Okay, what does that mean?

00:07:33.700 What's the difference between the Lord's day and the day of the Lord?

00:07:35.700 Well, when you say the Lord's day, a lot of people think that means Sunday.

00:07:38.180 He was just, he was in a spiritual state on a Sunday.

00:07:40.540 Well, maybe, but I don't think that's what was happening.

00:07:43.080 First of all, Sunday worship, John was a Jew.

00:07:45.900 You know, he worshiped on the Sabbath on Saturday.

00:07:47.640 So Sunday worship didn't really become a thing until, you know, until like Roman Catholicism

00:07:52.580 and around the third, fourth century started to become powerful.

00:07:55.460 So no, it's it.

00:07:56.080 He was in spirit on the day of the Lord.

00:07:58.060 The day of the Lord in the Old Testament is that final period of judgment that, you know,

00:08:04.340 Christians call the tribulation, the last seven years of human rule on the earth.

00:08:09.120 So he was basically saying he was transported to the future.

00:08:11.820 He was, this is, you know, this is like an overall statement.

00:08:13.900 I was transported spiritually to the day of the Lord, the time of the final judgment where

00:08:18.440 he renders everything out.

00:08:19.680 And he was given this vision and told to send it to seven churches in Asia Minor, which

00:08:25.820 is modern day Turkey.

00:08:26.740 So these are, these seven churches are Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia,

00:08:35.100 and Laodicea.

00:08:36.540 So why these seven churches?

00:08:39.500 They all have very specific issues, problems, and opportunities that relate to us individually,

00:08:46.960 church communities, and to all of church history.

00:08:51.440 And they're, and these are actually epistles written by Jesus.

00:08:55.100 So, you know, we have the epistles of Peter, the epistles of Paul, epistles of John.

00:08:58.780 Well, these are epistles of Jesus.

00:09:00.640 These are Jesus's own, his seven testaments, you could say, to the churches.

00:09:06.140 And well, so the next thing, John turns to see who was talking to him and saying, you

00:09:11.680 know, hey, I've got this vision for you.

00:09:13.280 And he turns and he sees a vision of Jesus, but it's not like the Jesus he saw.

00:09:18.740 This is, this is the first set of signs.

00:09:21.280 He sees Jesus.

00:09:22.220 He said he had, he had hair, the color of wool.

00:09:24.680 He had feet that were like bronze.

00:09:26.900 He had a white robe and a golden sash.

00:09:31.460 And he walked among seven lampstands.

00:09:34.760 And he had in his hand, seven stars, okay?

00:09:37.760 These are all signs.

00:09:38.880 Like the white hair is a sign of purity.

00:09:41.240 The bronze feet are a sign of judgment.

00:09:43.660 Bronze is considered in, in biblical terms, it symbolizes judgment because bronze is, was

00:09:49.560 the metal that could, that could retain heat and heat and judgment is always through fire.

00:09:53.820 His long robe was priestly.

00:09:55.440 The gold sash is, was royalty because gold was the material of, of royalty.

00:10:00.140 So he's a king.

00:10:01.080 He's a priest.

00:10:02.120 He has conquered judgment because judgment was at his feet.

00:10:05.100 So again, in these terms, that's why it's really so important that we read the Bible,

00:10:10.440 any part of the Bible or frankly, any ancient text with the context of the people who it

00:10:15.240 was being written to in their culture, not ours.

00:10:18.440 So in their culture, something being under your feet means you, meant you conquered it.

00:10:21.560 So that means Jesus conquered judgment and, um, the seven lampstands where again, those

00:10:28.300 the seven churches and the, and we're given a definition of the seven stars in his hand

00:10:32.860 were the seven angels, the seven angelos or messengers of those churches.

00:10:37.960 And as that, that chapter ends, the first chapter ends, John is given an outline of the whole

00:10:43.160 book.

00:10:44.280 He's John is told to write the things you have seen, the things which are, and the things

00:10:48.760 which shall be after these things that the Greek word for after these things is metatauta.

00:10:54.100 So the things he has seen was just a vision.

00:10:56.540 We just talked about the things which are, are the seven churches and the things which

00:11:01.120 shall be after these things or after the churches or after the church age is that future, that

00:11:06.580 day of the Lord.

00:11:08.160 Ed, if I could interject for a moment, just listening to the way you're talking about this,

00:11:13.120 especially when you said, I forgot what the terminology used was, but, but God, uh, put

00:11:19.420 all this in signs.

00:11:20.640 Yeah.

00:11:20.960 Yeah.

00:11:21.320 Yeah.

00:11:21.860 Signified it.

00:11:22.740 Yes.

00:11:23.280 So what's interesting about that is this is, you know, something that's incredibly important

00:11:29.460 and it's literally written in signs.

00:11:32.900 And as, as a culture today, we've, we've lost that.

00:11:38.140 We're so far from that art form being able to understand that.

00:11:40.900 And in fact, if you do look for signs and symbols and trying to understand them and the

00:11:47.240 meaning and the, and the hidden message of things, that's, you know, that's, you're a

00:11:50.820 conspiracy theorist.

00:11:51.680 So it's just, it's just phenomenal to me that, um, to hear you say that is like, oh, the,

00:11:58.520 the ways in which you might.

00:12:02.900 Do you find yourself living at work instead of working from home?

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00:12:24.320 I argue my brain is broken, right?

00:12:47.180 I'm looking too deep into things.

00:12:48.880 I'm trying to understand meaning, you know, under layers when really it's, it's should

00:12:53.100 be taken at face value is, I mean, we talk about it quite often on this show, Hollywood

00:12:58.960 and, um, and the music industry, they inundate you with symbols.

00:13:03.160 The language is still alive and well, but it's being utilized by only one side of the fence

00:13:08.840 and the, the general public is nullified to it.

00:13:12.780 We don't, we don't even understand what we're looking at and here we have God putting this

00:13:18.260 incredibly important message in symbols.

00:13:21.220 We should always have been able to understand symbols and we've lost that entirely.

00:13:27.320 Exactly.

00:13:28.320 Here's, I'm getting, I'm gonna get way ahead of myself and just kind of expound on what

00:13:31.660 you said in, in Revelation chapter 12, which we'll obviously get to down the line.

00:13:35.140 There is this other very complex vision of a woman who is clothed with the sun, with the

00:13:40.740 moon at her feet, 12 stars above her head, who's being chased by a dragon while she's

00:13:44.640 even birthed to a child.

00:13:45.680 The whole point of that is that's a story.

00:13:49.400 These signs, these symbols, they are all stories.

00:13:53.020 What's the old saying?

00:13:53.820 You know, a picture's worth a thousand words.

00:13:55.300 You see a symbol, there's a whole story in that.

00:13:58.140 Why is that important?

00:13:59.280 Because I think we may have mentioned this before.

00:14:00.840 I know I talk about it all the time on my, on my, um, my, my, my podcast on faithbyreason.net

00:14:06.880 that stories are the language of eternity.

00:14:11.420 Stories are eternal.

00:14:13.020 Any story you, you, you've heard, you can just put yourself in that story at any point.

00:14:19.400 And it's like you were there.

00:14:21.260 Like, for example, when I was growing up, I grew up on, on Star Wars, the original

00:14:24.980 Star Wars, not, not the crap that Disney has been doing.

00:14:27.700 But my favorite movie is the Empire Strikes Back in, in the Star Wars series.

00:14:32.900 Um, and it's, I, I love it because it's like, it's a, it's a chase film.

00:14:36.620 It has, you know, it has Luke learning about the forest from Yoda and all that kind of stuff.

00:14:40.800 I know what's going to happen.

00:14:42.020 I've seen it literally a hundred times, but I can put it on right now.

00:14:45.860 I put it on, I think on whatever, um, we have my, my, my old DVDs of it.

00:14:50.520 I'll still feel all the same things I felt, even though I know what's going to happen.

00:14:54.780 And think about your favorite story.

00:14:57.240 You can immerse yourself in that story immediately and you will feel everything that you felt,

00:15:02.320 think all the same things you thought, even though you know what's going to happen.

00:15:05.280 Why?

00:15:05.480 Because they're eternal and, and God is eternal.

00:15:09.300 Stories are the eternal language.

00:15:12.820 So, you know, and not only that, I just had to have my wife get me coffee because I saw

00:15:18.560 you sipping on your coffee, um, not only that, but like the stories are, what's, what's a

00:15:27.140 good way to put this?

00:15:28.040 The stories themselves are eternal, right?

00:15:30.320 If you're talking about like the hero's journey and things of that nature, one of my favorite

00:15:34.640 films, um, and, and I don't know if you, if you like it, but since you're a star Wars guy,

00:15:40.400 this may put us in direct opposition with one another.

00:15:42.480 Uh, but I was a big Lord of the Rings guy.

00:15:45.080 Oh, I love Lord of the Rings.

00:15:46.020 There's no opposition.

00:15:46.860 It is huge, man.

00:15:48.600 It's a phenomenal story.

00:15:50.220 And if you just take, you know, the return of the King, right?

00:15:53.760 When it comes to, uh, Aragorn story arc, if you take the suffering of Frodo Baggins, uh,

00:16:00.480 carrying basically the sin of, of mankind, right?

00:16:03.320 In the form of the ring.

00:16:04.160 Uh, and then you take the resurrection of Gandalf.

00:16:08.480 It is, it is the story of Jesus broken up into different characters that play different

00:16:15.020 moments.

00:16:15.500 And there's a reason why that movie is so, I mean, even Harry Potter, uh, uh, the boy who

00:16:22.240 lived, you know, there's a lot of biblical, um, sort of flavoring, not even flavoring.

00:16:28.120 I mean, it's, it's, it's essentially a ripoff, you know, of different elements of the Bible,

00:16:31.740 but the reason Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, these are, we just named three

00:16:38.340 of the biggest blockbuster films in history.

00:16:42.120 And the reason that they resonate so deeply and they are so successful is because they're

00:16:46.440 biblical in nature.

00:16:47.360 And these stories are ancient and eternal.

00:16:51.180 Yeah.

00:16:52.240 I love that you said that because you were good on one of my favorite topics and we'll

00:16:55.700 go off topic.

00:16:56.200 I don't care.

00:16:56.960 We'll get back to it.

00:16:57.880 But cause I've done, I've done, um, other podcasts, um, that were different subjects

00:17:03.460 that were in, in, in different areas about stories.

00:17:06.840 I mean, cause I love stories.

00:17:08.360 There are only five stories or five story themes.

00:17:13.000 Every, every satisfying story you've ever heard has, is one or more of the following.

00:17:18.600 It's either the hero's journey, which you just talked about.

00:17:21.060 There is the, the, um, the journey of discovery, which where that's, so the hero's journey,

00:17:28.040 you know, that, you know, someone goes from obscurity that you learn, they have something

00:17:31.460 special about them.

00:17:32.380 They get trained, they have the ultimate battle.

00:17:35.680 And at the end, they, they, they either get the love of their life and get some kind

00:17:38.920 of prize.

00:17:39.320 They learn and grow and all that.

00:17:40.640 So you know that part, then they have the journey of discovery.

00:17:42.680 That's, that's Harry Potter.

00:17:44.160 It's a journey of discovery.

00:17:45.020 It's a person starts out not knowing who they really are.

00:17:48.180 And somewhere along the line, they learn who they really are.

00:17:50.260 They learn their true power and they learn to live in that power.

00:17:53.320 Then you have the redemption arc, which star Wars actually is the big picture of star Wars.

00:17:57.260 They had the first, um, well, I would say the, the prequels and the, and the first three

00:18:01.000 was the redemption of dark Darth Vader.

00:18:04.400 Uh, the, uh, the redemptive arc is someone who starts either morally ambiguous, or they're

00:18:09.740 basically a bad guy.

00:18:10.900 And they see someone sees good in them and they see the good in themselves and they,

00:18:16.540 they become redeemed.

00:18:17.460 So that's the redemptive arc.

00:18:18.700 Then you have the spiritual, a spiritual awakening.

00:18:22.400 Good.

00:18:22.700 A perfect example of that is the matrix spiritual.

00:18:26.460 The spiritual awakening is about someone who gets it.

00:18:29.780 It's similar to the journey of discovery, but it's all spiritual.

00:18:32.140 It's about believing like Neo had to learn to believe.

00:18:35.460 Then he got his power and then he learned to live in it.

00:18:38.580 And, um, the last one is the tragedy.

00:18:40.900 And then the tragedy, that's when someone pays the ultimate price for the, it's like

00:18:48.880 the hero's journey, but the hero either loses something or often their life in, in

00:18:53.200 Lord of the rings, Frodo's story was a tragedy because he can never go back to the

00:18:57.560 Shire.

00:18:57.900 He tried, but he had been too damaged.

00:18:59.500 He had to go, you know, um, so that was the, that was the, the tragedy arc.

00:19:04.020 And the thing is that all of those five are part of the Bible story.

00:19:08.340 The redemptive arc is man's story.

00:19:10.720 The hero's journey.

00:19:11.680 That's the story of Jesus.

00:19:13.900 The, the tragedy is Jehovah God's story.

00:19:17.540 Because remember at the end, when we get to the end, God doesn't actually gain anything.

00:19:21.980 He gets back what he originally wanted, which was Eden.

00:19:24.680 We talked about that last time.

00:19:26.580 God, God loses constantly in the Bible.

00:19:29.800 He's always losing.

00:19:32.020 Battles man doesn't.

00:19:33.600 Do what he wants.

00:19:34.100 The Elohim, the Nephilim, he keeps taking L's.

00:19:37.760 and then jesus he commissions jesus as his hero but all he does is just basically get jehovah

00:19:42.400 back what he originally wanted then you have spiritual awakenings there's tons of those and

00:19:46.640 so they're all these like you said with lord of the rings there's all these many arcs you know

00:19:49.680 gandalf had his his resurrection arc frodo's a tragedy sam what sam and aragorn had the hero's

00:19:55.520 journey so you have all of those elements and that's why those stories all resonate with us

00:19:59.920 because all of those five stories are jehovah's story they're all in the bible and they all

00:20:06.240 speak to us on this deep heart level and we wonder why do we love these stories so much

00:20:10.480 because they're the story of our stories of our creator can i ask you something um yeah on the

00:20:16.720 last episode uh we had we spoke with dr narco longo and he was uh like putting out a theory that the

00:20:25.120 fruit which uh eve and adam ate from um was actually a mushroom it's this is the tree of knowledge that

00:20:32.320 opened up their eyes to see what was going on and they weren't supposed to do that because when they

00:20:38.560 were in when they were in uh the garden of eden they were kind of like they were perfect beings until

00:20:44.080 they weren't right so in my head they didn't really become man or human until they weren't perfect anymore

00:20:53.920 because otherwise that's kind of like an angel right like just the thing that kind of do no wrong

00:21:00.960 and it feels like god's not interested in that he's not interested in making something that will

00:21:06.720 just only worship him and can't do wrong he's interested in the part where it's presented to

00:21:12.320 you that you could sin but instead you choose his story anyway right like love means nothing without

00:21:18.880 being able to choose exactly that was just the point i was about to make quit in the end when you know

00:21:25.680 new jerusalem comes down and the people who believe in god and jesus are supposed to be there that has to

00:21:32.800 be like uh that it it doesn't make sense for him to then just turn our consciousness into this you know

00:21:40.800 um only this i cannot do any wrong i will only it's like it almost feels like the conditions there that

00:21:49.120 would be created would have to be perfect and we wouldn't really have any issues like we would live

00:21:56.960 well do you understand what i'm getting at oh i know what you're saying um it is something that

00:22:01.520 i wondered about too um and in my last in the last episode that i think that that's on on my site where

00:22:06.720 i actually talk about the new jerusalem and and the eternity so we have this idea a lot of christians

00:22:13.200 have this idea that once you get to heaven like you're going to be zapped you're going to know

00:22:16.400 everything and you're going to be perfect and you're never going to make a mistake no it's clear

00:22:20.560 when we when we get there we'll see it that we're going to make mistakes now there's a difference

00:22:24.720 between a mistake and a sin a sin is about an intention of doing evil a mistake is not necessarily

00:22:31.280 a sin for example you know we uh you know this morning when you sent me um a text an email saying

00:22:38.160 hey can you come on at this time and i didn't read it in time so we had to kind of scramble to get

00:22:43.680 here that was a mistake it wasn't a sin i didn't do anything intentionally wrong but it was a mistake

00:22:48.240 that i can learn from so we're in in the eternity we're still going to learn we're going to let's say

00:22:53.200 you know god forbid you i die tomorrow and i say i go to heaven hopefully that's that's what i'm not

00:23:01.840 i'm going to know i'm not going to know more than i knew yesterday i'm going to grow and we're going to

00:23:08.800 learn and it says in in that um you know there's a tree in the new jerusalem that's what the leaves

00:23:14.080 are for the healing of the nations or the healing of the people well why would you need to heal if

00:23:18.720 you were perfect healing is repairing so we're going to be we're going to spend eternity learning

00:23:24.080 growing interacting and repairing and there will be mistakes they won't be sin but they will be

00:23:29.520 mistakes we're going to continue to learn and grow and become better and better as we learn from each

00:23:33.840 other as we and you know let's say that you know you we interact with each other i learned something

00:23:39.920 from you top or and you learn something from me and now i know what i know and i know what you know

00:23:45.200 now i can pass that on to someone else and we can go on and on we can and we continue interacting

00:23:50.480 like that forever and continue to continuing to grow and become more and more like god so back to the

00:23:57.600 back to eden and what the the the fruit was um i i don't know i can say exactly what people say as an

00:24:04.160 apple that's no that's that's mythology but whatever the fruit was it was the choice it was i don't even

00:24:10.160 think it hasn't it doesn't matter what in my opinion it doesn't matter what the fruit happened to be

00:24:15.040 what matters is what the intention was behind it so when adam and eve they the reason that that they

00:24:22.000 um were sinless because it said they have no knowledge they didn't have knowledge of good and

00:24:27.200 evil so what's the definition of good and evil good is that which creates in the long term so we know

00:24:33.920 that the definition of good because we first see it in the bible the first time we see the word good

00:24:37.520 it's is during creation when god creates whatever he says this is good good creates and it creates in

00:24:43.680 the long term you can destroy in the short term to build a long term let's say for example i buy a piece

00:24:49.360 of property that has an old decrepit barn on it and i want to build my dream house well i've got

00:24:53.360 to knock the barn down first i've got to destroy the barn so i can create the my dream home so yeah

00:24:58.880 there's temporary destruction but long term is creation so it's what creates in the long term evil

00:25:04.000 is the opposite evil is that which destroys in the long term and again so evil can look good in the

00:25:10.800 short term let's say something like drugs you know you take heroin in the short term you feel great you

00:25:15.280 know you're high but then long so that's short term long term though it destroys you so that's what

00:25:21.440 evil is so what adam and eve didn't have knowledge of was the long term they lived in the present

00:25:28.720 they had they didn't have to think beyond a moment because they were in perfect communion with god they

00:25:33.520 were in the present that's what eternity is eternity is a constant present that's what a story is a story

00:25:39.120 you were constantly again empire strikes back i can see everything that's happening in my mind

00:25:44.720 immediately i don't i don't have to start at the beginning i can go in at any points it's a constant

00:25:49.440 present when they ate from the tree what they did they they intentionally disconnected themselves

00:25:56.400 from god so they no longer live in the present because they didn't have god they're like what i eat

00:26:01.040 this i'm no longer where's i just obeyed him i'm not i'm not connected anymore now they got it now they

00:26:05.600 have to start thinking about the long term that's when they said oh what it's like they unplug from

00:26:10.000 the matrix right it's like i'm no longer covered that term naked doesn't just mean that they were

00:26:15.440 you know didn't have any clothes and it means they were uncovered they were covered with light by jehovah

00:26:19.120 i mean there's a whole other story we can get into another time they were uncovered and they said i need

00:26:23.040 to cover myself because you know i i they suddenly realized that they weren't perfect that they as you were

00:26:28.960 saying top they they realized i'm human i have flaws i need to cover up because jehovah's coming to walk

00:26:35.520 with me during the cool of the day which is what he would do regularly so that's that's what the

00:26:42.080 fall is all about and that's in learning so when the the when the serpent or the nakash the shining

00:26:47.440 one is the actual uh definition when he told him hey he told he told him a lie and a truth he said if

00:26:52.160 you eat the fruit you will not surely die that was a lie but you will be like the elohim like the god

00:26:58.160 knowing good and evil knowing the long term so he was correct with that but they did die because

00:27:04.160 death is the inability to repair life is the ability to repair that's why we're alive now because you

00:27:09.840 know our cells are always taking damage but we can repair it once you get to the point where you can

00:27:14.080 no longer repair your organs fail and you die so they did start to it's the the term is you know if

00:27:22.400 you eat of this fruit in dying you will die you will begin the process of not being able to repair

00:27:27.200 permanently but in the new jerusalem we will be able to repair permanently the tree the the leaves of

00:27:33.280 the tree for the healing of the nations so nobody got off topic there but you know me i you you give me

00:27:38.560 a rabbit hole i'm going down it so all right so let's um let's jump back on to uh where we left off on on

00:27:46.720 revelations we were talking about i think the last thing we were mentioning was um how everything was uh

00:27:51.600 what was the word again ed signified yeah it's signified rendering the signs okay yeah so the

00:27:57.600 the letters to the churches which write letters to the churches super important yeah so here's what's

00:28:02.080 cool about those letters so there are i would say at least four different levels of the letters the

00:28:07.680 first is a contemporary um uh state that is that these were actual churches in the first century you

00:28:14.720 know smyrna ephesus thyatira all these were actual uh cities they were they were actual cities in uh

00:28:21.440 asia minor modern day turkey and they all had churches so these letters were to them and they

00:28:26.400 talked about where they were doing well what they weren't doing well and and and how to um you know how

00:28:32.160 to be better also it's each one of the letters ends with john through jesus writing he who has an ear to

00:28:40.240 hear let him hear what the spirit says to the churches so these letters were meant to be

00:28:44.400 exchanged throughout by all the churches so they were all for all churches all churches to some

00:28:49.120 degree had these issues and it says he who has an ear you have an ear i have an ear these churches

00:28:54.560 these letters are for us so each one of us have the same issues opportunities that these churches had

00:29:01.120 and the final level i think is the most provocative is the prophetic level and that is that these seven

00:29:08.080 letters in the order in which they were written outlines church history in advance each one of

00:29:14.240 these are a period of time from the first century apostolic age all the way up to our current age

00:29:18.400 and i believe we're in that last age of the church of laodicea and so as we go through this i'll

00:29:24.400 kind of point out where you know where these uh where these things are historically and you know

00:29:30.320 how they progress through it and one more that i actually don't i didn't have one on my website

00:29:35.120 because when i went through it i i wasn't aware of this um i actually learned this a little later on

00:29:40.240 and actually top you mentioned last time about a trial and these letters also are germane to this

00:29:48.960 big trial and this trial is something that began in the book of daniel chapter seven daniel chapter seven

00:29:55.760 for those who are familiar with it it's the the famous vision that daniel has of the four beasts who

00:30:01.120 represent for the the four world empires one was a lion there was a bear there was a leopard and an

00:30:08.000 indescribable beast and it's it's um the when the prophecy is is kind of um is revealed the lion was

00:30:16.880 babylon which is the empire that um uh daniel was under then the the bear was medial persia which was

00:30:23.120 the next empire that actually daniel lived through part of then the leopard was the greek empire and the

00:30:28.240 powerful indescribable beast was the roman empire that you know was the strongest of the empires and

00:30:33.600 again i think persisted to this day through the um through through the vatican frankly because the

00:30:39.760 roman empire never fell all those other empires were conquered you know the persians conquered the um

00:30:44.480 medial persia conquered babylon uh the greeks conquered the persians the romans conquered the greek

00:30:49.920 rome no one ever conquered rome rome just went from a a a senatorial an imperial

00:30:56.480 a dick yeah a representative sort of uh dictatorship to a theocracy and we're going to talk about that

00:31:03.840 when we get to the letter of thyatira and i think it rules the world to this day through the i mean the

00:31:08.560 vatican still has enormous power they spawned the jesuits and the jesuits sponsored the world bankers

00:31:16.080 the medicis and the orsinis who sponsored the uh the rothschhausen rockefellers and all the 13 families

00:31:22.800 and all those stuff all of the other stuff we talk about in conspiracy theories they and conspiracy

00:31:28.000 they're not even theories of conspiracy facts i don't know at this point if we're just uh if we're

00:31:33.360 just embracing the terminology or you know but but we know what you mean yeah yeah so but the point

00:31:39.280 of this is that here's what was happening in this vision that daniel saw in the spiritual realm there

00:31:45.840 there is a law principle that you have to speak something in one realm so that it manifests in

00:31:53.280 the other realm that is this principle god does the same principle he spoke the world into existence he

00:31:58.800 spoke the world until he said let there be light let there be land so forth and so on and it manifested

00:32:02.960 in the other realm the physical realm so that's what they have to do so what was going on with these

00:32:09.280 with these four beasts was the bad guys the evil elohim the fallen angels speaking their plan for

00:32:16.800 how they're going to take over their their plan is we're going to take over this earth through these

00:32:21.920 four empires the successive empires um ending with these the huge empire the roman empire which will

00:32:28.800 be the empire through which they're going to take over the world so because they said it it's going to

00:32:33.600 happen it is happening we've seen it happen but they've stated their will then after they stated their will

00:32:39.120 the next thing you see is a trial where god where jehovah says oh okay that's your plan cool here's my

00:32:44.480 counter and so it says the books were he said um you saw a throne set up in the ancient of days set on

00:32:50.560 the throne that's that's uh jehovah that's god and books were opened and there were thrones set so you

00:32:57.040 have in in the jewish mind that's that's a trial you have god serving as god serving as a judge you have

00:33:04.400 the books opened with all of the you know the things that these that the fallen angels are doing

00:33:09.120 and you have these thrones set up that's kind of the the jury for lack of a better term today's

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00:33:57.680 and then you saw a vision of what's called the son of man riding on a cloud who all the who was given

00:34:05.840 all the nations that's the basically the conclusion the son of man riding on the cloud is jesus that's

00:34:10.560 why jesus referred to himself as the son of man because the son of man meaning a human being riding

00:34:16.080 on the clouds the riding on the clouds was a an idiom for for god for for yahweh because yahweh the jews

00:34:23.760 ancient jews considered yeah they called him the cloud rider because you know during the exodus he

00:34:28.160 was on a pillar of cloud by day and the people are fired by night so he was called the cloud rider

00:34:33.280 so you'd have a man with the authority of jehovah that's jesus who will inherit all the nations okay

00:34:39.120 what does it have to do with with uh these seven letters of seven churches well keep in mind that the

00:34:45.360 the trial is ongoing even though jehovah's already given the the final basically the final verdict but we

00:34:51.120 just don't know how we know what's going to happen but we don't know the details yet these seven letters

00:34:57.840 are that are how the church is supposed to interact with the world in order to be on the jury and we're

00:35:05.920 going to see in chapter four and i'm getting ahead of myself i'm going to talk about this a lot more

00:35:08.720 when we get the chapter four but the church believers are the jury we're we're the ones who are

00:35:14.320 going to be giving the final uh judgment of guilty or innocent for the elohim remember there's a verse

00:35:21.600 i i don't have it off the top of my head but the apostle apostle paul says we will judge elohim

00:35:27.840 meaning that's what that's the most disrespectful thing to them that could right because this whole

00:35:33.680 thing was just because they hated us that that's really what and and then to have that come around

00:35:39.200 and that's like well now they're going to judge you it's like yeah man it's the relationship they

00:35:43.440 have with us it's i wouldn't call it love hate it's more like i want you to worship me but i hate you

00:35:47.680 they covet our worship but they also despise us so let's uh run through um quickly what what's going

00:35:56.080 on with the church let's see how far we get so the first church is ephesus that was again a city in in

00:36:00.960 in ancient turkey um it was where the it was it was considered in in in rome the um the the city of

00:36:08.240 the goddess diana who and she was her in ephesus means um uh the beloved or or betrothed and the the

00:36:18.880 people in ephesus what jesus told them essentially is you know you guys are great with doctrine you guys

00:36:23.840 have your doctrine down nobody can fool you you you don't you don't tolerate false prophets however you

00:36:29.840 left your first love you don't have love in your heart so they were great on doctrine they were

00:36:33.840 weak on love it says you you left your first love your first or primary love shoes supposed to be your

00:36:39.120 love for jesus so what like my old mentor chuck missler would say they were so busy doing the work

00:36:44.720 of the king they had no time for the king so and this this resonates with me personally because this is

00:36:50.240 where i have a flaw me too i think i'm great with doctrine but i don't always spend time with with god

00:36:57.680 and that's something i constantly work on doing more so so they were told basically as far as how

00:37:04.080 to interact with the world speak the truth in love so they were great at speaking the truth but they

00:37:08.080 needed to do it in love and they were told that if they do that their reward would be they would eat

00:37:12.160 from the tree of life so the next church was smyrna uh the city of smyrna was a very like emphasis it

00:37:19.200 was a very wealthy city but the church was was persecuted because they wouldn't worship caesar they

00:37:25.120 wouldn't worship the you know the roman ruler so they were persecuted and they were they suffered

00:37:32.000 and jesus had nothing negative to say about them he just told them you know you think you're poor but

00:37:36.480 you're actually rich you're you're physically poor but you're spiritually rich and just endure suffering

00:37:41.120 and if you endure the suffering you will you know you'll have eternal life so ephesus symbolized the

00:37:49.360 apostolic church the church is like the first century where they had great doctrine because they were

00:37:53.520 alive during the time of peter and paul and john and all the disciples but again they were their love

00:37:59.600 wasn't strong so that's like the first century these the church of smyrna was basically at the second and

00:38:04.800 third century where they were getting a lot of persecution from rome the romans you know you had

00:38:09.760 all these emperors like you know hadrian and decletian who were just very anti-christian and were

00:38:15.680 driving them underground into the catacombs where they were just told to endure

00:38:18.400 the third church is a church at pergamum or pergamos they they were told that they in in

00:38:25.760 the letter jesus said you know you have i know where your church is you are where satan's throne

00:38:30.480 is and there was you know keep in mind that the fallen elohim the fallen angels are not omnipresent

00:38:37.360 like god is they they're actually they're local they are in a specific area and this is where satan's

00:38:44.240 physical throne was at that time but they their problem was they were where was it where was that

00:38:52.240 very important um uh map wise if you if you go to faithbyreason.net and go to the the episode on turk

00:38:57.920 on um on pergamos you can show is um you can see the map i have a map of where all these churches are

00:39:03.920 and it was basically like uh north central turkey doesn't mean he's there now i i frankly think his

00:39:09.680 throne room is in is in the vatican but at that time that was where his that's where he was ruling

00:39:15.040 from that's interesting i know i hear a lot of people say that um uh the throne of satan or or

00:39:22.320 lucifer is in um geneva switzerland i kind of want to just i just want to show this real quick and

00:39:29.200 encourage our guys to go there someone in the chat said that they've been binge listening to ed so

00:39:34.480 and check out his website too yeah we'll i'm sure we'll pull this back up as we you know

00:39:39.280 make our journey through but important go to the website yeah yeah please do i mean it's just i'm

00:39:44.720 giving you the big overview i mean i i spend like a half an hour to an hour on each one of these churches

00:39:48.880 so you're you're kind of getting the reader's digest version so um the problem with with pergamum and by

00:39:54.720 the way the what's cool is that each one of these um church names mean something like i said uh emphasis

00:40:01.040 meant beloved um smyrna was it was murray you could actually hear it in the smyrna mur you can mur was one of

00:40:08.480 the gifts that the wise men brought to jesus but myrrh was an embalming material you had to if you

00:40:13.920 squeeze it and it has a strong scent and they would use it for embalming so the church of smyrna they

00:40:18.640 were being persecuted they were being squeezed then you have pergamum which it per means um mixed or

00:40:25.760 undesirable and gamos means union or marriage so this means an undesirable or mixed marriage this was a

00:40:32.080 church that married the world they compromised with the world for for material stuff for for riches

00:40:40.560 and they were told you know that you know don't compromise don't come so their message was don't

00:40:46.240 compromise with the world and this is indicative of the church of the fourth century during the time

00:40:52.800 of constantine and this was the genesis of the roman church you know the story of constantine he was the

00:40:58.880 last secular purely secular roman emperor he had this famous battle called the battle of novan bridge

00:41:04.160 where he was trying to reunite the empire and he claimed he saw a sign of the cross before that

00:41:09.120 famous battle with the words in this sign conquer and he went out and he won the battle and he says

00:41:14.480 okay i'm i saw the cross i'm going to become a christian now and he legalized christianity which was

00:41:19.600 a great relief to the christians they were no longer not only were they no longer persecuted but he

00:41:23.440 favored christians at court and they were able to come out and they were able to actually become part of

00:41:28.720 society and because the roman emperor favored them they started gaining riches now whether or not

00:41:34.800 constantine actually converted to christianity is debatable i don't think he did i think he was just

00:41:39.840 a savvy politician who realized that religion is a great way to unite people and the christian religion

00:41:46.400 these christians they were you know they were humble they were hard-working you know he i think he

00:41:51.520 found they would be the least offensive religion for him to get behind but constantine also named himself

00:41:56.960 the head of the church he called himself pontifex maximus which is the same title that the pope holds

00:42:03.680 to this day he calls himself that so the first pope was not peter sorry to my catholic friends out there

00:42:08.800 there's no evidence that peter the apostle peter was ever a pope he never ruled from rome he never had any

00:42:13.200 of the pomp and circumstance of the pope the first pope was constantine he was the first person to call

00:42:17.440 himself pontifex maximus and to lead a church stationed in rome his third successor well yeah his next

00:42:26.000 successor but he had two more success successors that came after him and they kind of went back and

00:42:30.240 forth between uh outlaw christianity again or or keeping them around but finally his third successor

00:42:36.640 named theodosius he not only made christianity he re-legalized it he made the official um religion of the

00:42:44.400 roman empire so and he forced all the pagans to convert to christianity under penalty of death

00:42:50.240 which was you know not how you should how you should get christians by by putting a gun to their head

00:42:55.680 but because of this all the pagans basically were forced to go to church but they were still pagans

00:43:01.280 so how did how did they keep the peace well they did it by compromising with the pagans and say you

00:43:07.200 know what will you can bring some of your gods and we'll just rename them well instead of instead of

00:43:12.560 calling them the gods of you know for uh you know fire and harvest and all this we'll just rename your

00:43:18.640 your your gods after the saints we'll call this god peter just call this one paul we'll take your

00:43:24.880 your festivals and we'll give them christian names that's why the festival of soul invictus the sun god

00:43:30.880 whose birthday is december 25th suddenly became the birth of jesus that's why ishtar nestarte

00:43:37.200 um became easter she was a goddess of fertility she was a spring goddess that's why we call it easter

00:43:44.480 easter easter a slight transliteration and that's why you have um colored eggs and rabbits associated

00:43:50.160 with the resurrection of jesus because those are spring fertility uh symbols and because jesus wasn't

00:43:56.720 born anywhere near december 25th he wasn't born in winter he would have froze to death in a barn in

00:44:00.560 winter there would not have been shepherds in the field in the winter because they again the sheep would

00:44:05.120 have froze jesus was probably born in late summer because again shepherd's in the field late summer

00:44:11.600 but it has nothing to do with his birth it has to do with amalgamating paganism and christianity and

00:44:18.160 that's why you have all these odd symbols and festivals in in in catholicism because that's part of of um

00:44:26.560 of that amalgamation ed what do you think about the idea of when that is done is it

00:44:34.400 automatically a bad thing or is it a good thing to hijack some people would argue like hijacking

00:44:41.280 this pagan entity's holiday and then aiming all your your worship at christ is almost like um sort

00:44:50.320 of like sticking your nose up at this entity and is there any value in that or does it become valueless

00:44:58.720 a bad thing to do because you're you're predicating it on bad information in the sense that he wasn't

00:45:02.800 born on that day good question um and this is something that i i've struggled with and i because

00:45:09.200 you know i still celebrate christmas with my kids but i know what i'm doing i think it's it's about two

00:45:14.640 things one is about intention um and i i know what the truth is and i my wife and i we've had discussions

00:45:22.000 back and forth should we still celebrate chris i don't call resurrection day easter because i i just

00:45:26.880 don't but the whole christmas thing having a tree um i think that because i know that i'm not

00:45:33.600 worshiping a pagan deity again i'm i still have i'm still conflicted about it to be honest with you

00:45:39.920 because with the thing is whenever you compromise when you whenever good and evil compromise evil always

00:45:46.400 wins no you can't if you take pure water and you put a drop of poison in it well you don't just get

00:45:51.600 you know what it's a little that you know that's just a little polluted no you just you just get

00:45:55.360 diluted poison so you you have to be if you're cognizant of what you're doing then you know you go

00:46:02.720 with it it's the same thing like with any other agenda that you see out there you know if there's

00:46:06.400 someone who is physically a male and he and wants to call himself she i'll call you she but i'm not going but

00:46:15.600 especially where i live i'd probably get fired if i didn't but i know the truth and i what i'm

00:46:21.840 doing is i am being a part of the culture but still remaining who i am and i think they're they're

00:46:26.720 biblical um man not mandates but they're biblical advice about that you can be in the world but not

00:46:32.720 of the world i still have to function here yeah i'm wondering hey render under caesar yeah exactly

00:46:38.720 don't get your head cut off for that yeah right there's a game we got to play it's a it's a thin line

00:46:42.880 we gotta go ahead david you and say something i was just gonna say maybe now when we celebrate

00:46:46.960 easter it should be like you know obviously continue with the christ-centric worship but also

00:46:53.920 throw the occasional like in your face ishtar like that kind of crap you know

00:46:58.400 you know i was a big fan big fan of mocking small g god exactly i think sometimes because we can go

00:47:07.200 overboard sometimes with certain things like no there was a church i was attending a while back

00:47:10.400 when harry potter books first came out and they say kids you cannot read harry potter because it's

00:47:14.560 you know it's witchcrafts they might i'm like okay i get what you're saying but i mean are you doing

00:47:19.120 more harm than good if you let them know hey this is just fantasy this is no different than any other

00:47:23.840 fantasy book you're reading just because you read a book about someone casting spells doesn't mean

00:47:28.080 you're going to start casting spells and there are people who disagree with me and if your listeners do

00:47:32.320 hey so be it i'm not going to they'll tell you you're wrong maybe maybe i'm wrong and and you're

00:47:37.120 right maybe we should be you know extremely strict about it and i think i i know people who there are

00:47:43.200 people in in the church used to go to who were formerly witches who said hey you should not get

00:47:48.800 anywhere near this stuff and i respect that and so i i'm open to being wrong about it but i also

00:47:55.520 think we need i think we need to be judicious in the way we in what we do and how we do it you got

00:48:02.720 to be careful too because you tell a kid um you can't do this and that's what they're going to want

00:48:08.000 to do and if you don't you don't give them adequate reason that's why it's like well listen this is

00:48:13.840 you know this is a glorification of witchcraft and witchcraft will is used in such and such i mean

00:48:19.040 there's human sacrifice going on to this day with the explain it to them explain it to them what was

00:48:24.080 going on in the olden days and today and what this is talking about it's just a a clever um you know

00:48:30.720 disguise for pushing this idea into and you know what top if you don't do a good enough job explaining

00:48:37.120 it to them you run the risk of them rebelling against the thing that is keeping them from enjoying

00:48:42.320 it yeah and it becomes a whole thing but i do like what victor jones in the chats

00:48:46.800 said uh christians are taking over all the pagan holidays toyota thon is next the christians are

00:48:53.280 coming for awesome toyota thon there you go all right so let's uh let's continue with these uh these

00:48:59.920 churches so so that was so that's the perfect moment is it represents i would call it the medieval

00:49:04.320 church of maybe like the the the fifth through the eighth century the beginning of catholicism

00:49:09.520 then the next one you have is the church of thyatira this was a church that they were they

00:49:15.680 were um uh praised by jesus for their good works they did a ton of good works and it says that you

00:49:21.760 know your good works will increase however he says i have something against you and that you tolerate

00:49:26.000 this woman jezebel so was so there's two ways to look at that one is the the the jezebel spirit because

00:49:34.320 you know the the original jezebel was we saw in the book of first kings she was married to the um

00:49:40.000 israelite king ahab and she left the nation into idolatry interesting interesting fact about me

00:49:45.520 first girlfriend named jezebel go ahead really unbelievable really she's a very nice girl though

00:49:50.240 she wasn't yeah that's not a good thing to name your daughter yeah they were retarded okay

00:49:55.760 she's a very nice girl but uh so that was the spirit of idolatry so they and why what does idolatry

00:50:05.920 have to do with the good works well if you if you think that your good works are what's going to save

00:50:12.400 you then you've just made your works an idol you've made it over god and that's why this church um

00:50:20.000 historically represents the the roman church of about the the the um eighth century to about

00:50:27.040 roughly to the 1500s almost a thousand years where the roman theocracy openly ruled the world

00:50:34.080 and there and in the cat and again i want to make this clear i am not anti-catholic people i'm against

00:50:41.840 the hierarchy in the vatican because i think they've done some horribly evil things throughout history but

00:50:45.840 the people i am not my my wife was raised catholic and obviously we get along fairly well because we

00:50:51.040 can be married my best friend who was the best man at my wedding he was also raised catholic they both

00:50:56.240 are no longer but they were raised that way so i i don't have anything against them one of my best

00:50:59.920 friends now is still a devoutly catholic and he and i we kind of have a thing where we we've we've kind

00:51:04.560 of we've called a truce we used to have some serious battles over in i mean we would have battles over

00:51:09.680 email where there'll be like 13 pages long of my point and then he would have a counterpoint as many

00:51:16.240 pages long and we copied all my friends on it and they were like dude just stop you guys are just you

00:51:21.120 guys are killing us you should you should print like make it a book and that's basically where the

00:51:25.520 talmud is right it's just arguing actually i think i still have those emails buried in my gmail somewhere

00:51:31.280 but but he's still he's a good person loving the death he's a great guy we just disagree there so i don't

00:51:36.000 have a problem with the people i want to make that clear because i get accused of being anti-catholic

00:51:39.680 i'm not against the people i am against the hierarchy because of some of the evil that's been

00:51:43.920 done there but if you look at what catholicism is about it's really about your works you are saved yes

00:51:51.360 you can you you believing in jesus is the beginning of your salvation process but then you have to take the

00:51:56.640 eucharist you have to pray to mary you've got to confess to a priest you give indulgence indulgences you

00:52:01.680 have to do all this stuff to be saved you're not just saved by jesus and my friend who's catholic

00:52:07.680 agrees because that was one of our points is that he believes that he looks at the book of james where

00:52:13.120 it says faith without works is dead yeah your faith is dead if you aren't doing anything but it doesn't

00:52:18.480 mean that you're not saved by doing stuff it just means that you can it just means you have dead faith

00:52:23.360 you can have faith but it's just worthless if i say i believe in jesus now i'm going to go out and just

00:52:27.440 you know do nothing then your faith is worthless it doesn't mean you don't have faith anyway catholicism

00:52:35.120 is about works and if you believe that you can that your works can get you to heaven then what

00:52:40.320 do you need jesus for you don't so your works becomes your idol so jesus said it's great to do good works

00:52:48.000 but don't let the spirit of idolatry get in uh replace you know the the actual salvation message

00:52:55.840 which is you believe in jesus and as a result of the belief you do good work you don't get work

00:53:00.000 do good works to be saved you do good works because you're saved that's um and so that's what he he

00:53:06.160 told the other church at thyatira and he told them they know that if they that if they you know repent

00:53:13.280 of that then they will have rulership over the nations so that's again that that encapsulates the um

00:53:22.240 the catholic church and so and a lot of protestants love the church of thyatira they love preaching on it

00:53:28.160 because yeah they just they go off on the catholics however the problem is if the next period of history

00:53:34.880 is reformation then the next church would be the church at sardis and sardis is one of the two

00:53:40.000 churches about which jesus has nothing positive to say the church at sardis was the dead church now the

00:53:47.360 church at sardis in sardis in um in um in ancient turkey was it was a very small city it was essentially

00:53:54.240 like a castle on top of a hill and it had this air of being impenetrable because it was very difficult

00:54:01.360 to climb this hill so they so armies would just not bother with it it just wasn't worth it to go up

00:54:06.240 there so they had an image or a name that they were invincible but once and i go into detail on this

00:54:12.720 in on the um on faith by reason uh once a an opposing army sent a scout out to see if there

00:54:19.360 was any way to client to to get around this um the you know the impregnability of this fortress

00:54:25.360 and he was watching one of the one of the guards drop his helmet and it rolled down the back of the

00:54:30.240 hill and then he saw the that over time erosion had kind of almost cut like steps in the back and

00:54:36.480 that the guard went down those steps to get his helmet and so the scout said wait here's how you do it

00:54:41.200 they have this this air of impregn of impregnability but they actually are vulnerable

00:54:45.120 and the other army came and he went up the side of the hill where the steps were and they came and

00:54:49.280 conquered the city the point of that is that jesus says this first words to sardis is that you have a

00:54:54.640 name that you live but you're actually dead in other words they had a reputation for life but the truth

00:54:59.520 is they were they were not alive they were not and it's a good thing i defined life and death before

00:55:05.040 life is the ability to repair death is the inability or unwillingness to repair

00:55:10.240 this church was unwilling to repair why why what does this have to do with the reformation well

00:55:16.640 the reformation did great things on salvation they made it clear that salvation was by faith alone

00:55:21.840 not by works however one of the one of the uh biggest reformers was john calvin and john calvin

00:55:30.640 has his five points of calvinism so i'm gonna run the risk of offending the calvinists who are listening

00:55:36.240 and it'll be a lot of people because a lot of our modern churches are based on those five

00:55:40.480 fundamentals of calvinism one the first is i think it's total depravity this is why this is why i

00:55:46.880 asked you to come on because i know that your take is going to be not out there but it's going to it'll

00:55:52.880 it'll rub a lot of people the wrong way but i think people need to hear it i don't care so the first um

00:55:58.320 aspect of calvinism is total depravity which means we know we're all you know we on our own we are

00:56:05.680 not we we cannot be holy and i i agree with that i think we are human beings we are flawed um um the

00:56:12.480 you and is is oh gosh uh i know excuse me i'm i should have sorry i didn't have my notes in front of

00:56:20.240 me so it's um so yes total depravity it is that we have basically it's about predestination i'll just

00:56:30.560 encapsulate things i'm not gonna remember all the parts of it because i know that there's there's

00:56:33.600 irresistible faith there's perseverance of the saints um but there's so basically calvinism says that

00:56:41.200 you are predestined that god has predestined you before you were born to either be saved or unsaved

00:56:48.720 and there's nothing you can do about it if god has predestined you to be saved then that's where

00:56:52.000 irresistible grace comes in at some point you will be saved because god chose you before time oh cool

00:56:58.160 you have it up there okay yeah total depravity thank you unconditional election that's what it is okay

00:57:02.400 unconditional election god chose you he just said you know um top you're gonna be with me ed sorry son

00:57:09.360 you're going to hell and there's nothing you do it's unconditional and then you have limited

00:57:14.240 atonement meaning that jesus's death was not for everyone it was only for those who who god chose

00:57:21.680 then you have irresistible faith with irresistible grace meaning again that if you if because they top

00:57:28.240 you were god said you are my chosen one i want you to be a part of me and you can say i don't want

00:57:33.040 it god forgets you at some point his grace is irresistible you were going to be dragged kicking

00:57:38.720 and screaming to be a christian and the p is perseverance of the saints meaning that once

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00:58:37.440 there are problems with these all these are nonsense but i agree with the i because i have

00:58:44.800 said the same thing i said i don't want anything to do with this and here i am kicking and screaming

00:58:49.360 so there might be something you know calvinists they they must really um appreciate the idea of the npc

00:58:57.520 right that that some people just aren't yes npc functioning you know they're not real characters

00:59:04.240 in this entire uh experience and and that to me aligns with you know okay well then some people

00:59:10.160 just aren't meant to be saved or won't be saved or predestined to not be saved and then some people

00:59:14.720 would go well that would be an npc then that's an interesting concept it also puts it puts some

00:59:20.080 interesting limitations on god on a god yeah i think is uh what it actually it makes god unjust

00:59:27.280 because if if it because it takes away your choice if god chose me and not you then

00:59:35.600 we're i don't have free will and it also makes it god's fault for everyone who's in hell everyone

00:59:40.960 who's in hell is there because god decided that you're going to hell that means that god decided

00:59:45.360 before you even born and you were before you were even a baby when you were completely innocent

00:59:49.200 god already decided yep you're going to hell is that that doesn't sound just to me it also says

00:59:54.160 that no matter who you are you're going to heaven anyway and whether you like it or not so everyone

00:59:59.760 so the good news is hey everyone in heaven is there because god chose them that also means that everyone

01:00:03.680 who's who's in hell is there because god chose that as well it means that you have no choice this may be

01:00:08.800 a little bit off of the the topic but do you think that um there is such thing as as someone being

01:00:15.520 irredeemable like that some people are just beyond redemption because i personally don't

01:00:21.360 think that i don't think that that means that i have to like a person but their eternal salvation

01:00:28.000 and relationship with god doesn't hinge on whether or not i like them so when people get really upset

01:00:34.320 they go oh did name a an evil historical figure well did they get dr fauci is dr fauci gonna get

01:00:42.080 redemption is that okay just means you can act however you want and you can find redemption in

01:00:45.840 the end and salvation and it's like well i don't have to like dr fauci you know but i don't think that

01:00:51.680 anybody is beyond redemption i don't think that you could put limitations on god in that way and i think as

01:00:56.160 long as that's genuinely your choice is is uh is to repent and to ask for forgiveness then that's

01:01:05.200 there for us as long as you have the ability to choose you can be redeemed now here's the thing

01:01:11.520 if you if you live a life of you know debauchery and on your deathbed you say okay i'm i'm dying now

01:01:17.520 if you're lucky enough to you know be be i won't say control your death but um you know be at a time

01:01:23.680 where you know you're gonna die you don't die in an accident or something and you you can do that

01:01:28.240 you can have a you can have a genuine deathbed confession but you're not gonna have any reward

01:01:34.080 when you get to the afterlife you're gonna you'll you will be you know saved by the skin of your teeth

01:01:38.080 but someone else gonna say who lived a good life who was saved early on and spent their life you know

01:01:44.800 doing the right thing by god and and obeying god and helping others and you know loving and and all that

01:01:50.160 and all that stuff they're gonna have a huge reward they and you know jesus talks about this in

01:01:54.080 in his in his teachings in his parables if you break them down jesus teachings went we're in two

01:02:00.000 categories they were either salvation or reward they were either you know what you might have to do

01:02:04.880 to be saved and avoid hell or your reward you know the the parable of the of the talents when you

01:02:10.800 know one guy was given one talent one was given five one was given ten the guys with five and ten

01:02:15.280 talents they went out and they worked and they doubled it and and and um got and god said okay

01:02:21.600 you're over ten cities now and you're over five cities but the one with one town he buried it didn't

01:02:26.080 do anything with it he was still saved but he had no he had no reward so when people say it's not fair

01:02:33.680 that someone can live a bad life and then confess at the end and have somebody who lives you know a good

01:02:37.520 pious life and they uh you know and they die it's not fair well it is in the afterlife because justice will be

01:02:43.840 meted out and we'll talk about that um down the road a bit so so why what why why would calvinism

01:02:51.280 and those beliefs render you unable to repair because repair in order to repair you have to admit

01:02:58.800 that there's something wrong if you are predestined for heaven why do you need to grow there's you have

01:03:06.800 no incentive to repair you have no incentive to grow you have no incentive to do good works i'm already

01:03:12.480 going to heaven i've been predestined because i prayed the sinner's prayer that means that god

01:03:16.720 chose me before the before my before i was even born there's no point in growing you're not so

01:03:23.280 you're if you're not growing if you're not repairing then you're dead and so jesus said hold on to that

01:03:29.040 which you have which is still alive and the only thing that they had which was was their salvation

01:03:35.440 so he basically told this church you guys you know you're not doing well the best you can do is just

01:03:41.040 be saved at this point because you're not doing good works you're not growing if you're not growing

01:03:45.600 you're not alive every one of us our cells are dividing you know well we've all reached adulthood

01:03:50.960 but you know i have i have two young boys they're growing you're getting taller every day but then you

01:03:55.120 know when you reach adulthood your cells are still dividing and growing and repairing you're alive but once

01:03:59.920 you stop doing that and you come become stagnant then you're not alive anymore you're you're dead

01:04:07.520 you're talking about 35 right that's when you start to everything yeah right you started but you're

01:04:13.040 still but you can still repair okay and i'm there too i'm older than you guys i like my knees make

01:04:19.360 noise now i i wake up white with things hurting for i have no idea why this hurts

01:04:24.000 but uh but i'm you know still alive i'm still still repairing so that's what he told this church

01:04:31.600 and he also told them that they have to be watchful so they weren't watchable they and again if you're

01:04:37.600 if you're if you're completely saved and you are chosen and you can't lose your salvation no matter what

01:04:44.160 then again there's no point in doing anything so the question is can you lose your salvation

01:04:48.480 you know what you can give it up god will not take away your salvation but you can stop believing

01:04:55.120 you have a choice some because there's so that's kind of a counter to the whole once saved always

01:05:00.880 saved that's that's again controversial a lot of christians believe that once you get saved then god

01:05:05.040 will not allow you to ever be unsaved i think a great explanation or an example of that is kanye west

01:05:12.160 right now as you're kind of describing it listen i don't really know what's going on with the guy if

01:05:17.200 this is all show but you went from you know jesus is king to my wife's walking down paris naked with

01:05:24.000 no shoes on and it's like whoa what happened you're opening up a porn agency like yeah i don't know

01:05:31.680 that guy he i think he just has some serious he needs he needs serious i think he's bipolar i mean i

01:05:36.640 that was that was i have my degrees in psychology um i i think he is seriously bipolar he needs help

01:05:42.400 and he's not and i think he's too arrogant to to really get the help he needs i think he has some

01:05:46.720 serious mental issues well i think for him too it's probably they would love to based off of those

01:05:52.480 text messages from his handler they would love to drug him into oblivion and so i think it's it's

01:05:58.720 it's very you don't know who to trust i'm sure he struggles with that a lot you know and not to

01:06:03.920 to um apologize on behalf of the guy or anything like that but i always look at him and i'm like man

01:06:10.320 i couldn't imagine being subjected to the hurdles that that guy's being subjected to

01:06:17.360 i'm sorry something's beeping it's a beep i don't know if that's me or you guys

01:06:23.600 uh that's not me no okay hold on a second give me give me one second let me find out what this

01:06:28.320 what's going on here but yeah the idea that idea of uh kanye west being i i would originally oh yeah

01:06:37.680 yeah i was i would originally push back like with the mental illness on him but i do think that it

01:06:42.720 he does have some sort of mental illness and after talking with marzynski and all that it's like

01:06:46.880 i just think this dude is is the mental illness what what we're describing as an illness is is

01:06:52.640 probably just a proclivity to be able to talk with or be influenced by you know entities more readily

01:07:00.080 yeah i think that he's he's being uh he is the center of a tug-of-war match yeah like like in the

01:07:06.560 end if you believe in that in what we talk about the entities that do want these influential people

01:07:11.520 to do whatever i mean like they're pulling real hard on the jesus side and then they're pulling

01:07:16.320 real hard on the you know the other side the nephilim side and that guy is just like he's an open

01:07:23.360 antenna and he's being pulled back and forth i don't know if the drugs will do it for him because

01:07:27.680 that's like those are like sedatives you know it's not gonna no i don't think drugs don't solve

01:07:32.320 the issue i mean that you you need to you need to repair whatever's going on in your mind and

01:07:37.360 if there's demonic influence that obviously needs to be repaired as well and i agree i think he's

01:07:41.280 going back and forth i think he knows that he's on the wrong side i think that's when he that's why

01:07:44.800 he does it that goes back to the jesus stuff and then you know in his records about that you know

01:07:50.000 doing a sunday worship message or records if you look at some of these like even look at some of these

01:07:54.640 heavy metal guys who you know seem demonic the ozzy osborne types they're covered with crosses

01:08:00.080 they have tattoos of crosses everywhere because i think they know that i've gone too far i need you

01:08:04.000 know i i need to get back and they recognize that they're they're they're you know gazing into the

01:08:09.120 abyss that's why i always try to give these people a little bit of the benefit of the doubt just because

01:08:14.320 it doesn't mean that you should champion them or make them your heroes but it's like

01:08:18.320 like they're probably much closer to seeing the definitive proof that this is spiritual warfare

01:08:25.120 than the vast majority of of us will ever be um as far as like yeah they're not being able to see it

01:08:31.840 they peeled off the the rat race or the you know like the financial issues that most people have

01:08:38.080 in the bottom of like i need to do this to get they're like well beyond that so they're seeing

01:08:43.040 from you know a higher vantage point they they definitely see it but let's talk about revelation

01:08:47.680 yeah yeah i'm almost done with the churches and we can we can wrap up so that was that was sardis

01:08:52.480 they were told to be watchful but they oh i want to wrap up with this sardis they said jesus says if

01:08:57.840 you if you are not watchful i will come upon you as a thief and you will not know when i come so a lot

01:09:04.320 of people see that you know jesus will come as a thief that means he's going to be that means he's

01:09:08.240 he's sneaky and that sort of thing because that's we we equate being a thief with just being sneaky and

01:09:14.560 we're going to talk about the rapture next time that's going to be fun because that's going to

01:09:17.760 make piss everybody off when i talk about when i don't wait ed just so i can focus in here because

01:09:22.720 this is i'm somebody who's looking at this from from the vantage point of not having this uh this

01:09:27.600 background we are these churches you said earlier they are representations of different empires right

01:09:33.680 so this is like a more layered different eras okay okay all right so i just want to keep that in mind

01:09:38.960 they feel like like interpretations of different people too like the first one that you talked about

01:09:43.520 i was like not just an error of christianity but like an actual archetype of me being a christian

01:09:48.960 it's it's amazing how many layers there are to yeah almost like i said i struggle with the emphasis

01:09:53.520 stuff i i'm strong on doctrine i need to be stronger on love you have other people in the who

01:09:57.360 are being persecuted i mean in other parts of what we don't get as much in the us we get you know more

01:10:02.720 verbal persecution and cultural persecution as christians but you know you go to go to china you go to

01:10:08.000 indonesia you go to you know islamic countries ukraine you're just physically ukraine you're

01:10:12.160 getting physically persecuted and you're supposed to endure compromise we all compromise look i i we

01:10:16.960 just talked about the whole christmas thing is that a compromise maybe and you know but we all compromise

01:10:21.920 with the world for our comfort and we all have and we all are idols of our good works you know a lot

01:10:28.480 of times i think hey i'm doing this great work i've got these podcasts and this blog i'm doing great but i

01:10:32.560 have to be i have to make stay cognizant of the fact that i can't worship what i'm doing

01:10:38.000 i'm not i you know i'm not doing this for myself i'm doing this for others you know i'm trying to

01:10:42.080 teach others this and and i'm not i'm not a i'm not saved because of what i do and then the dead

01:10:48.320 part of us there are some of us get complacent and lazy and thinking hey you know i've got mine

01:10:53.280 you know i don't need to grow anymore because we don't mean we naturally don't want to grow we want

01:10:57.520 comfort but you can't pursue comfort and growth you have to pursue one or the other and grow it growth is

01:11:02.400 painful you know you work out you want to build muscle you don't you don't build muscle by laying on the

01:11:07.040 couch eating cheetos you got to work out you got to it's it hurts it's painful but you know the

01:11:11.920 rewards are there so we all individually and as communities deal with all of these things and

01:11:17.520 that's why these letters are so profound in so many different layers but i wonder wrapping up with the

01:11:21.760 whole watchful thing he said he'll complain that's a thief what does a thief do a thief is not is not

01:11:27.360 just someone who's sneaky a thief is someone who takes something so it says jesus will come and take

01:11:32.240 something if you are not watchful and the church of sardis was not watching and i think that's really

01:11:37.680 going to be germane to what i'm going to talk about with the rapture next time so that's that church then

01:11:43.200 you have last two churches you have the church of philadelphia not to be confused with our current

01:11:47.600 philadelphia which is a different kind of city but this new philadelphia means it means brotherly love

01:11:53.200 this was a faithful church this is the church that jesus said to them because you have faith and because

01:11:59.200 you've held on to my name i'm going to set before you an open door an open door to my home and i'm

01:12:04.720 going to write the name of my of my father on you so he's going to give you the family name and you

01:12:09.920 will be a pillar in the temple of god meaning you will have a permanent residency so what is jesus

01:12:14.880 saying to this church because i'm i'm inviting you to my house i want you to be a permanent resident

01:12:19.360 and i'm giving you the family name jesus is proposing to this church this is this church is his bride

01:12:26.960 he's saying because you've held on to my name and remained faithful this is what i'm going to do

01:12:31.920 for you and importantly to the rapture thing which we'll talk about next time he says because

01:12:36.960 you have kept true to my name i'm going to keep you from the time of tribulation of trial that's

01:12:42.880 coming upon the earth the word keep you from is the word ek in greek it means i will keep you

01:12:47.360 physically out of i will physically remove you from this time of trial that's coming upon the earth

01:12:54.480 this is the tribulation and this is another this is another rapture point again where we'll get

01:12:59.200 into it more but i want to make sure that that's there i'll refer to it again so this is so this

01:13:03.840 church represents the era of the missionary period which is f so you have so you had the the catholic

01:13:09.840 period with thyatira you had the um the reformation from about the 1500s to roughly the 1800s then you had

01:13:16.720 the the missionary church of the 1800s and early 1900s this was a time of the great awakenings you had all these

01:13:23.120 great preachers like sturgeon and uh wilberforce and like all these just these these great pastors

01:13:29.920 who came along and they spread the gospel throughout the world there was a just a huge revival in

01:13:35.920 christianity it was this this revival is what spawned the united states you know the the us was was a part

01:13:43.280 of that and a part of you know the the puritan aspect of it the um you know many of the founders yes

01:13:49.360 many of them were deists absolutely you know benjamin franklin was a deist george washington was

01:13:53.680 but you also have some very you know strong revivalist christians like john adams for example

01:13:58.480 and there are others there but they are the ones who founded this nation on those principles and

01:14:04.160 that's why for at least 150 years this was just the greatest nation and most prosperous nation in the

01:14:10.320 world and of course we fell off from that we'll get that in the next one but that's that's that period of

01:14:15.760 time from from obviously about the 18 1700s 1800s to about say roughly world war ii where the church

01:14:22.640 was growing and expanding and then you have the final church was the church at laodicea

01:14:29.040 this was a church that would not take a stand it says jesus said i know your works i know that you are

01:14:34.720 neither hot nor cold means hot means you're you're for you know you're you're for jesus you're 100 on fire

01:14:41.360 for him cold means that you're the opposite you know you're you're falling away he says because

01:14:46.240 you're lukewarm and you won't are neither hot or cold i'm gonna vomit you out of my mouth

01:14:51.680 jesus basically said this church made him sick hey ed can i just say that this is like you know i

01:14:57.920 hope this isn't a uh obviously moment but yeah i think of the church today and their complacency um and

01:15:08.320 their willingness to adopt worldly views and and sort of compromise every which way just to almost

01:15:18.880 it doesn't even seem to to to bring in um the followers of the church as much as it is just to stay

01:15:25.760 relevant and stay part of the conversation they're willing to do uh really i mean i've seen debaucherous

01:15:33.360 things you know what i mean where it's like i've seen them host some sort of drag queen uh events

01:15:40.080 in churches you know this was not that long ago at all so when you're saying like uh neither hot nor

01:15:46.160 cold and like that's just where my mind is going is you nailed it that's exactly what it is they won't

01:15:52.400 take a stand they won't they it's because they have so much stuff so many riches that they don't want to

01:15:59.200 take a stand one way or the other because they don't want to lose what they have they knew if they

01:16:02.480 if they became really on fire and were very strong on doctrine well they would lose some of their

01:16:08.720 membership but on the other hand if they outright rejected god well then they would lose other

01:16:13.520 memberships let's just stay right in the middle let's not be offensive you know what's what's funny

01:16:18.240 that's our current postmodern church as you're saying this like through these seven churches i

01:16:23.200 i'm a musician so i i'm thinking about i just looked up the modes to make sure i had them right where

01:16:28.160 you have ionian uh phrygian lydian mixolydian and uh the last one is locrian and locrian is uh

01:16:37.680 it's it's the seventh note of the scale before it repeats itself in the octave and it's based off

01:16:44.400 of a diminished seven flattened fifth which is like a diminished chord i don't know if you've heard it

01:16:49.680 before but it's like three dissonant notes that do not go with each other and then the next mode is

01:16:54.560 ionian again which is the major the ah c major we're back we're back to something that makes sense

01:17:01.120 and is whole and then it goes back through those steps again from minors to majors to the most

01:17:06.560 dissonant and then back and resolves itself i don't know i'm just i'm thinking of like the overlap there

01:17:11.440 of those seven churches and this seventh one is the worst one and is the worst sound but if applied

01:17:17.840 correctly could be beautiful beautiful passing chords and then what comes next seems to be

01:17:23.680 good order right no that's that's awesome i love that i i i want to learn more about that that's

01:17:29.280 interesting because i'm i i think that god speaks to us on so many levels and he just he wants to

01:17:35.360 hammer his message home to us so in so many different ways that i it would not surprise me if

01:17:39.040 those chords um resonated in some way with with the themes of these churches this is funny right

01:17:46.880 here because uh top does this and every time he does it i enjoy it but the and so the audience knows

01:17:51.520 top bringing back to sound and frequency but like i don't think that he should be sorry because i

01:17:56.960 believe it was nikola tesla right that that famously said and i know he likes his quote uh but that if you

01:18:02.320 want to all right what's what's the quote top by nikola tesla if you want to understand the world

01:18:09.520 yeah you have to understand uh vibration frequencies and i'm yeah i i'm with it everything is vibrations

01:18:15.840 so this would be your c major chord right okay it's beautiful the locrian the seventh of that would

01:18:22.400 be this it's a b diminished you hear how that's almost like mysterious and strange yeah not very pleasant

01:18:28.720 but when it when it resolves into the sea you're like oh it feels great again anyway that's interesting

01:18:35.600 that's dope that was awesome so if the first one is like say the f the ephesian church which was

01:18:40.800 strong on doctrine if you if you combine that with you know maybe if the laodicean church kind of got

01:18:47.680 with the ephesian church you'd have you'd have more of a melody because you'd have two extremes

01:18:52.000 um yeah there's a lot to that i don't know well this is everything that especially when you bring

01:18:59.680 up this sound and frequency thing um juan ayala shout out juan um he talks about when he talks about

01:19:07.040 the bible he talks about it as a book that is alive on so many levels that there's you know there's the

01:19:14.000 literal translation but then there's also the historical context there is a um what would you call

01:19:20.880 it like not a metaphor but an allegorical yeah yeah and but then there's also like this alchemical

01:19:26.640 there's also like a numerological code within it like there is so it's so it's so layered um yeah

01:19:34.480 it's almost why i feel like a lot of people can't like like i have trouble reading it because it makes

01:19:39.840 me feel stupid if i read something else um it's like it's not insulting me if i read you know whatever

01:19:45.520 the book is the book is like it wants me to read it if i read the bible in the very same way that we

01:19:50.640 talked about how we have forgotten how to absorb and translate symbols and their meanings it's the

01:19:57.760 bible does not care if you don't know how to do that so if you don't know how to do that and you

01:20:02.000 don't know how to understand it you can come away feeling stupid and that's very much how i felt in

01:20:06.240 the past i'm like this is this feels high level for some reason but rightfully so because it is

01:20:10.880 think of how many it's it's funny how many people call the bible stupid and it's like no you're stupid

01:20:16.080 no you're stupid like this is there's a reason it's been around forever and it has so many different

01:20:21.600 meanings and you're going to sit there with your infinite knowledge and call it stupid it's like

01:20:25.440 yes right yeah whenever i hear you know because i'm a big fan of comedy i mean i listen to comedians

01:20:30.160 all the time on my like serious xm when i'm driving around i've got all the comedy stations on you know

01:20:34.080 inevitably you have some comedian come on who will say oh the bible's dumb like no it's like no no

01:20:39.120 you are just because you don't understand something doesn't make you dumb this particle

01:20:42.560 physics is this is stupid what do you mean an atom what the heck's an atom yeah you're just showing

01:20:47.360 how dumb you are because you're just saying i don't understand it and i'm gonna i'm gonna make

01:20:51.600 fun of something i don't understand right yeah whereas i mean i tell my own son right who's eight

01:20:58.000 years old where he goes i'm not good at a thing and i tell him like bold face in order to be good at

01:21:03.600 anything you have to start by sucking at it you know so if you look at everything from the point of

01:21:08.160 like well i'm stupid and i don't understand this yet you're gonna be a lot better off because

01:21:11.680 that's the first step in beginning to understand it so when you read the bible and you go this seems

01:21:15.600 dumb like i always just said this kind of highlights how dumb i am not really the program the pro this

01:21:22.960 is again another tangent the program i used to graphic design i wanted to do it always drew my

01:21:28.320 whole life and i said let me let me delve into graphic designing bought this program couldn't figure

01:21:32.960 out how to create a shape a vector a fill of a stroke i had no idea and i was like this program is

01:21:39.760 the dumbest thing in the world and i actually put my i closed my ipad i put it away for like two

01:21:44.640 months and i said let me try it again i tried it again i was like oh i'm an idiot and now i figured

01:21:49.200 out how to manipulate it beyond you know like most people's capabilities but it's like i'm stupid i need

01:21:55.040 to like humble myself come back to the drawing board and see what i'm doing wrong and then you know then

01:22:01.120 you could make real like retarded stuff like this and that's that's the contrast that's

01:22:05.200 contrastive thing we talked about that before with the jellybean thing i gave you that that example

01:22:09.760 contrasted thinking if you go into saying hey i could be wrong i don't know then you're open to

01:22:13.520 it but if you say ah oh i know this is dumb you just closed your mind off you've just made it right

01:22:18.480 possible to learn because you think well i already know i know what you said i know it like when people

01:22:23.280 say well you know jesus came to bring a message of love that's what that's really it did you have you

01:22:28.320 did you actually read what he said have you read that because he gained he came to to die for your

01:22:34.880 sins that's what he said he came to do but are you taking what you've heard in you know in greeting

01:22:40.640 cards and colloquial sayings and and you reject everything else jesus said turn near the cheek

01:22:45.600 that's not all he said he said a lot of other stuff if you put it all in context you get a different

01:22:49.440 message but anyway that's that's another that's another rabbit hole i'm not going to go down because

01:22:54.800 i know we're getting short on time the letters to the church are exactly what you're talking about

01:22:58.320 where he's hitting every single every aspect of what you need because we all you know we all like

01:23:04.080 our comfort and he's setting it the way that you're presenting it it sounds as though he was

01:23:09.120 you might even say like ruthless in his critique very oh if you really read not just you know these

01:23:16.000 seven letters but if you read the gospels jesus was hardcore i mean he he called his disciples stupid

01:23:21.920 i mean you don't he doesn't say those exact words because you if you're reading it in the polite

01:23:25.360 king james he'll say oh though you guys are just slow of learning that's basically saying you're an

01:23:30.080 idiot yeah yeah basically slow of learning he's not lying he's that that's and this is before we

01:23:36.800 started the show i said the reason i do what i do is because like i don't if if we're continuing to not

01:23:42.800 say things we're lying and the best way to avoid that is just say exactly what you mean and be

01:23:49.520 directing to the point and people get it unless you're telling a parable which is he's very good at

01:23:53.760 that too but he's also very direct in the bible yeah he is extremely direct i mean he would tell

01:23:58.800 you know there's there's the um the story about when a a gentile woman because you know he came he

01:24:03.520 came to to to the jews first that's what he was he was there for he was there to be the the the

01:24:07.280 anointed one the messiah the mashiach of the jews and a gentile woman came to him asking for healing

01:24:12.160 and jesus tested her and he said you know it's not right to give the the children's food to the dogs

01:24:17.760 he basically called he didn't call her directly a dog but he's not comparing her to one

01:24:21.760 and she said well yeah but even the dogs eat off eat the crumbs from the table jesus okay

01:24:27.200 you you pushed into me i i i pushed back against you you pushed in i can tell you want it and he

01:24:32.080 healed her but that didn't sound like a nice way to do it what was he doing he was challenging her

01:24:37.360 to see how bad do you want this so that that's not the kind sweet magic teddy bear that we always

01:24:43.600 think of him as no yeah it was hardcore i that's that's one of the things that i think is is a mechanism

01:24:50.000 by which they turn people off from christianity right um i think it's something that has been

01:24:55.840 it's like you a straw man has been created over time and that straw man is incredibly unappealing

01:25:02.160 and on the surface even looks weak and and gullible and all these different things

01:25:06.480 and uh and that it's not the case it's a bad representation but people fight the straw man

01:25:10.240 and they go no i don't want to be associated with that because jesus said she's just as big

01:25:13.440 you know he's just he's this tall bearded long-haired hippie walking around saying

01:25:17.120 peace and love brother right no not really he looked nothing like that and he that was not his

01:25:22.880 message i like i like the idea of uh pushing not like pushing back against jesus or or against god

01:25:31.600 about testing the spirit yeah because uh that's something that uh one of our friends we spoke to on

01:25:37.120 the show he's he's in in uh experiencing some like entities and things like that and he's not sure

01:25:43.920 which way they're coming from and uh tony merkel actually gave him the great advice of test the

01:25:48.400 spirit like that's actually something that we should be doing like push back and i'll say this god is okay

01:25:54.480 being challenged that's something that you know we we don't really think about when you read it if you

01:25:59.680 when you read the bible you see that not only is god okay being challenged he welcomes it remember the

01:26:04.720 the story of abraham with um with lot and when you know um and in sodom and gomorrah when you know

01:26:11.520 god said he was gonna he's gonna destroy sodom and gomorrah and what did abraham do he started

01:26:14.720 negotiating he said well if you find any holy people there will you just will you destroy it

01:26:18.560 joe said no i won't so he was okay with being being pushed back against so he's fine with that

01:26:25.200 he didn't make us automatons we're not mpc hopefully most of us are not npcs he wants to interact

01:26:30.720 with us and interaction means going back and forth you can challenge him and say is this really from you

01:26:34.960 because i'm not sure i'm not going to do this until i know when i do this all the time like

01:26:39.600 you know what i think this is what you're saying to me but i'm not going to move until i know 100

01:26:44.000 it's from you and i think he honors that i do the same i do the same thing i'm doing it right now so

01:26:49.280 hopefully pray that pray that i get some answers so i'm going to wrap up with talking about how the

01:26:55.520 end of the church so this is so laodicea is the final church and you know they they were the one though

01:27:01.520 and it well jesus ends with a scathing indictment of laodicea he says behold i stand at the door and

01:27:07.840 knock if anyone hears my voice and opens the door i will come into him and and and dine with him now a

01:27:13.760 lot of churches have he has he have used this as like their benediction you know behold or or or

01:27:18.640 or their altar call you know calling people to be christians but when you actually look at it in

01:27:21.440 context jesus is a scathing indictment of the church jesus says behold i'm outside of the church

01:27:27.520 knocking to come in i'm standing at the door now that means jesus isn't even in this church

01:27:32.080 he's like knocking to come in and he's saying if you if anyone in there hears and comes out

01:27:37.440 to me then i'll you know i will be with you but he's he's saying this this church is like they're

01:27:43.600 this church is done i'm sick of them if any of you are in this church want to be with me listen to me

01:27:48.720 for knocking and come out of the church and come to me so that's why this is the church in the worst

01:27:53.040 shape and unfortunately i believe it coincides with our modern church which again won't take a

01:27:58.880 stand on anything and and just wants to be comfortable so how does the church age end um

01:28:07.440 my thought i do this throughout faith by reason where i um i talk about what for lack of a better

01:28:12.800 term the dispensations and i hate using that term because people will say well you're a

01:28:17.440 dispensationalist you believe all these things that the dispensationalists believe and i don't i

01:28:21.120 just use dispensation to donate to to to denote different eras of time where god deals with people

01:28:28.320 differently you have the the dispensation of innocence with adam and eve he dealt with him a

01:28:32.960 certain way then after that you had the um the the the next dispensation with with the flood where he

01:28:39.120 where the nephilim were and he dealt with people differently then you had the patriarch and then you

01:28:43.760 have the law you have this grace each one of those dispensations ended when man chose themselves over god

01:28:51.120 the the the the flood um that that era ended or the antediluvian period ended when people chose the

01:29:03.360 fallen angels and the nephilim over god the patriarch the the era of the patriarch with abraham that ended

01:29:11.200 with you know when pharaoh chose himself over god and then the law the era of the law ended when again

01:29:18.240 they they had jesus there and they said nope we don't want you we we we know we choose ourselves

01:29:23.280 over you so how would the church if that's true and it may not be but that's my theory how would the

01:29:28.480 church agent how would the church choose themselves over god well there's an interesting thing that

01:29:33.360 happened in the in the 60s something called the godless christianity movement it was during this time

01:29:39.200 when you know during the 60s it was very turbulent period of time when you know there's a lot of

01:29:43.840 uh secularism atheism creeping into universities and christianity was being challenged as it hadn't

01:29:50.960 hadn't been challenged before people were asking the questions you know if they're if god is good why is

01:29:55.440 there evil in the world you know so forth and so on and the church didn't have answers and that's when

01:30:01.920 the whole god is dead movement came around there's that famous uh cover of time magazine that says is god dead

01:30:07.200 and the church basically decided to go without a definitive definition of god without a orthodox

01:30:14.240 definition of god that means that they they decided god can be whatever you want him to be when you are

01:30:20.400 worshiping him that's laid to see him because we're not going to define god god is just whatever we want

01:30:25.920 him to be so we're not going to take a stand and then so in that way that's self almost self-worship

01:30:32.400 because it's self-preservation yeah it's abandoning the word of god to preserve yourself yeah if you

01:30:40.320 can if you can just if you define what god is then you're greater than god if you're greater than god

01:30:48.000 then what you're worshiping is the god you created so that's you worshiping yourself over god so that's

01:30:55.840 how i believe that this um age is going to end and i so obviously i believe i think that means that we

01:31:02.480 are in that stage now so if if if that if the dispensation technically ended in the 60s well where

01:31:09.440 are we now well i think we're i frankly think that we're being given one more generation to to repent

01:31:16.000 and because if you if you look at the way all the dispensations end they don't end immediately

01:31:21.200 like when the nephilim came down you know god still gave him 120 years of no building the ark they

01:31:26.960 still had a period of time you know when jesus uh came and died and rose again there was still 70

01:31:32.560 there were still 40 years before uh you know israel was destroyed by the roman empire jerusalem yeah it

01:31:38.800 could be that there's one he gives him one word gives us one more generation to get it right but i think

01:31:43.440 we're fast approaching the end of that and when the church ends then we go to the next stage which is

01:31:48.560 what would be revelation chapter four which is what we'll start talking about next time but i'm going

01:31:53.280 to talk about that ultimate controversy in eschatology which is the rapture so we'll talk about that

01:31:58.240 next time and then get into so so next so this is kind of like the the most grounded episode we're

01:32:02.800 going to have after this we're going to get way into the supernatural stuff after this we're getting

01:32:06.960 after this we're getting crazy this is a great episode yeah dude and i i mean it was massively done

01:32:12.640 right there he was like and then we're going to get into the eschatology of chapter four and i was like man

01:32:16.000 this guy's good you would swear it's almost like he's done 60 of these yeah yeah you think i've done

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01:32:47.760 talk to you later about it but guys go to his website uh faithbyreason.net and um i guess what

01:32:55.040 if you're available next week we'll do this again yeah um i think i should be okay only i would say if

01:33:01.920 we keep doing this fridays the only friday won't be available is like the probably the last week of

01:33:07.040 may because i'm actually going on a we're leaving on um on may june 1st to go on a little family trip

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01:33:54.000 that's it all right guys we'll see you later peace out the greatest hypnotist on planet earth

01:34:00.240 is a oblong box in the corner of the room it is constantly telling us what to believe is real

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Nephilim Death Squad - May 04, 2024

Revelation Series Part II w⧸ Ed Mabrie

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