Nephilim Death Squad - Straight Bible ｜ Discussion

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00:00:30.000 So there's a dude in the Corinthian church and he's boning his dad's wife.

00:00:34.460 And Paul says, no, man, you got to get that guy out of the church.

00:00:38.640 Like we have a culture in our kingdom.

00:00:41.380 It's kind of spelled out in the Sermon on the Mount.

00:00:43.500 And Paul's point is like, you can't have this sexual perversion in the church

00:00:47.700 because that's not how our culture gets down.

00:00:49.960 And if it's within the church, it's going to spread.

00:00:52.980 It's going to spread like leaven.

00:00:54.000 He says this, this is 1 Corinthians 5 verse 1.

00:00:56.480 It says, it's reported commonly that there is fornication among you

00:01:01.600 and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles

00:01:05.280 that one should have his father's wife, dude's boning his dad's wife in the church. 1.00

00:01:11.520 And you're puffed up and have not rather mourned that he has done this deed,

00:01:16.380 that he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you.

00:01:20.380 So what's he saying?

00:01:21.280 He's saying you guys are like puffed up.

00:01:22.840 It's almost like you could imagine exactly how this would go down today

00:01:27.780 with people like the church that's so tolerant.

00:01:31.220 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:01:31.960 They say like, oh, we're so tolerant.

00:01:33.980 It looks like that was the thing even back then, dude.

00:01:35.960 They were like, oh, yeah, this dude's boning his dad's wife.

00:01:38.620 And like, well, we're so tolerant.

00:01:40.000 He's still part of this.

00:01:41.220 Paul says, no, no, no.

00:01:42.120 We're not going to get down like that.

00:01:43.260 Remember, there's a straight gate and a narrow path.

00:01:45.780 And so some people might accuse us of being like narrow minded.

00:01:48.440 And amen, we're reminded of the narrow path.

00:01:52.200 Now, there's freedom on that path, right?

00:01:53.640 Like some people walk on the left side.

00:01:55.300 Some people walk on the right.

00:01:56.400 Some people walk down the center.

00:01:57.900 Some people are on skateboard.

00:01:59.080 Some people are on bikes.

00:02:00.300 But we stay on that narrow path and we have a culture in our kingdom.

00:02:03.800 And part of that culture is we don't have sexual perversion, right?

00:02:07.780 And when we do, it's got to be put outside the church.

00:02:10.400 A lot of people aren't comfortable with that because they're still like today,

00:02:13.180 just like the Corinthian church.

00:02:14.760 They're like, oh, we're so tolerant.

00:02:16.240 Okay, the reason this is kind of coming up is we had a gentleman on the show last week.

00:02:24.540 Yeah, he was very nice.

00:02:27.360 Yeah.

00:02:28.060 Nasty recognized nasty, some would say.

00:02:29.960 Nasty recognized nasty. 1.00

00:02:31.120 That's why you loved him a lot.

00:02:32.280 And he had some very intriguing views.

00:02:36.020 And some of the chat and some of the comments afterwards got a little nasty.

00:02:41.580 They got a little nasty.

00:02:43.280 They were kind of upset.

00:02:44.920 Some of them were upset with me.

00:02:46.580 And I think it was valid.

00:02:47.760 I think some of the people said like, Matt, well, I can't believe like you didn't just stand up and like say what the Bible says.

00:02:53.960 And so I just want to say that like my thing is not like arguing with people.

00:02:57.760 And it's definitely not like arguing over doctrine.

00:03:01.020 Like you have to be very close to me for me to argue with you, for one.

00:03:03.600 You have to be like incredibly close to me.

00:03:04.920 Like I'll argue with you.

00:03:06.040 Bingo.

00:03:06.660 Because that's also how you get information out of me.

00:03:10.400 Like you're just and I've been around people like that.

00:03:12.300 I used to work for a guy who like whenever I would enter the conversation with him, he's my old boss at Trinity.

00:03:17.720 I'd say, hey, man, we need to do this, that or the other.

00:03:20.660 His first thing that he would always say was no.

00:03:23.340 And so people were terrified of this guy.

00:03:25.200 Like most salespeople or most people that worked in the company just were very intimidated by him.

00:03:30.860 And they were like, yeah, man, everything he just says no.

00:03:33.280 And then they would leave.

00:03:34.200 What they didn't understand was what he was saying when he said no was welcome to the conversation.

00:03:38.540 Have a seat.

00:03:39.260 They thought it was the end of the conversation.

00:03:41.400 I knew this guy enough to know and I was close enough with him.

00:03:43.820 We were family friends that I knew he was saying you need to sell this to me.

00:03:47.380 Like if you like if you're asking me to set up displays in somebody's showroom that are going to cost the company 10 grand, you need to explain to me what this is going to do for the company.

00:03:56.180 And so I needed to explain like, yeah, here's the cost up front.

00:03:58.660 Here's what we can expect every month.

00:04:00.200 And here's how long it'll take to get our money back.

00:04:02.480 And then here's how long we'll continue to make money.

00:04:04.740 And if I couldn't do that, then his answer was no.

00:04:07.260 Right.

00:04:07.460 It was his way of extracting information from me for for him to be OK with whatever idea I was coming up with.

00:04:13.680 And you're kind of like that.

00:04:14.660 You're kind of like that.

00:04:15.280 You like to be a little nasty.

00:04:17.360 You like to argue.

00:04:18.720 But it's really your way of like prying information.

00:04:21.260 You don't even necessarily disagree with me a lot of times when you argue.

00:04:23.940 You just want to hear my points that I answer with.

00:04:27.000 No.

00:04:27.140 And to be honest, this last episode that you're referencing, I disagreed with the guy on everything.

00:04:32.900 I disagreed with him so much to the point where I was making it.

00:04:35.740 I was steel manning his points just to see if I could make it make a little bit more sense.

00:04:40.160 And I came away, I don't know, everybody else.

00:04:43.760 But I assume the audience will come away when the episode airs is unconvinced.

00:04:48.940 Maybe they'll be a little upset because we just kind of like watch as he did whatever.

00:04:52.680 But I was like, does this even need refutation?

00:04:54.980 No, that's kind of where I was at.

00:04:57.420 That's kind of what brings me to my next point was I know you guys hate when I do this.

00:05:01.120 But I was just watching the chat the whole time.

00:05:03.660 Yeah, I saw your face.

00:05:04.620 The chat didn't need us to refute the guy.

00:05:07.040 The chat refuted him, dude, and I was so proud of the chat.

00:05:09.800 Well, no, some people in the chat needed a daddy. 0.99

00:05:12.800 No, I don't think so.

00:05:14.020 They did, and I had to kick some people out.

00:05:16.180 They needed daddy to hold their hand and tell them that it was all okay.

00:05:19.960 And they also needed me to soundly defeat a monster or who they perceived as a monster.

00:05:24.120 But what I saw was a guy that was saying stuff that I was like, this is like, we talk about this all the time.

00:05:29.160 If you read the Bible, even peruse the Bible, this is blatantly false.

00:05:32.920 I thought the whole thing about what he was saying about gay people being beyond redemption.

00:05:36.880 I was like, it's pretty clear that's not the case.

00:05:39.580 And it's also very disrespectful to Jesus Christ and his sacrifice to put limits on it like that because you might be gay yourself or whatever.

00:05:47.600 So I'm like, I don't even need to.

00:05:49.040 What are we even talking about here?

00:05:50.280 Why do I need to like come to a.

00:05:53.660 You don't.

00:05:54.220 And furthermore, like I said, the chat, you weren't watching it like through the show.

00:05:58.340 They were all over it like like it was honorable to see the chat.

00:06:02.300 I was like, I was like, damn, bro, the chat is like sound biblically, dude, like they weren't just fighting and saying I don't like him.

00:06:09.760 They were coming in with scripture passages in refuting the things he was saying, like by scripture.

00:06:14.240 And I was like honored to be on the team with the chat, bro.

00:06:16.780 Like I love the chat.

00:06:17.640 Like we are a little family and they didn't need us to like argue with this guy and prove him wrong.

00:06:23.060 But I would like to add another point to that.

00:06:24.840 And that's this.

00:06:26.780 So like initially he's saying that and initially like my first thing.

00:06:32.460 Sorry, was like, OK, this is crazy what he's saying.

00:06:37.220 Homosexuals are past repentance. 1.00

00:06:38.380 But that's a technique.

00:06:39.440 OK, but yes.

00:06:40.460 And it's a technique that he's using successfully.

00:06:42.480 It's also one that I've used in the past, but along the lines of comedy.

00:06:45.720 And this is very important because you've touched on this on straight Bible.

00:06:48.780 You're like when somebody is a pastor, the the price that they will pay for misleading is severe.

00:06:55.720 When somebody is doing comedy and you're doing it in an exploitive manner in order to get a point across, which is what I think the guy was doing.

00:07:03.420 It's it's a little different, but he's playing with fire.

00:07:05.940 Well, I just want to say that.

00:07:07.220 And it's a fair point.

00:07:08.580 There was like a shock and awe about you.

00:07:10.960 I don't really know the dude either.

00:07:13.060 And you asked me to come on the show like, I don't know, 30 minutes before the show or maybe it was earlier than that.

00:07:17.320 I don't know, but it was like the same day.

00:07:19.520 And so I don't know when he first said it.

00:07:21.900 I was like, wait, is this one of there's like comedy, but it's like just saying like a crazy comedy thing.

00:07:28.000 No, like initially I was like, wait, did the guys just do me?

00:07:30.660 And like, this is just a guy who's just going for like shock value to like in its comedy that you're not supposed to laugh at.

00:07:36.860 But it's kind of so funny that you that you're trying not to laugh, but it's gonna make you laugh more.

00:07:40.280 Yeah, it's funny.

00:07:40.840 So I thought that that was like my first second was I thought that.

00:07:43.960 But then.

00:07:45.460 And this is where it's going to get.

00:07:46.540 And I think also he's a product of how far the pendulum has swung in society, bro.

00:07:51.880 Like a pendulum just swung way too far with LGBTQ LMNOP and like a kid's born with a wiener, but they're actually a girl. 0.98

00:07:58.600 And like all this madness, it produces people like that.

00:08:02.980 Like that's like that's what happens.

00:08:04.660 And so I don't think it's even just in the world.

00:08:07.640 It's like in the church, dude, like you have dudes that are like we just saw Paul say this guy who's boning his dad's wife.

00:08:14.340 He has to be out of the church.

00:08:15.680 Not only can he not be in a leadership role, he can't even be in the church until this gets corrected.

00:08:21.160 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:08:22.380 Nowadays, we'll have somebody in a leadership role living in open defiant sin like that.

00:08:27.340 And so this is what happens.

00:08:28.400 Then you have in that same body, you have people who swing so far this way.

00:08:32.520 But this is the crazy thing I want to say.

00:08:34.700 It's I know this is offensive.

00:08:36.240 I'm going to say it anyway.

00:08:37.820 He's right.

00:08:39.280 No, no.

00:08:40.420 I just as far as me like arguing doctrine with people, I'm really not going to do it.

00:08:47.240 I really do want to hear people out.

00:08:49.120 And I know the fact that we had him on the show, like that's the purpose of having a guest on the show is let him speak.

00:08:53.760 Let everybody hear his views.

00:08:55.680 Like if we cut him off and prove him wrong, now everybody doesn't get to hear all his views.

00:08:59.960 The way we did it, everybody got to hear it.

00:09:01.880 Also, I will say I it started off with a disagreement that I had with him.

00:09:06.200 That was kind of nasty.

00:09:07.220 And then he became like he's like, hey, listen, I'll talk to you.

00:09:10.480 And I really respect that.

00:09:12.240 It's like, all right, instead of instead of like going at me and trying to cut my throat online, which is kind of like the game of this blood sport online.

00:09:19.920 Like, let's have a conversation.

00:09:21.140 I was like, for sure.

00:09:21.720 So now if I'm hosting you, I'm not going to, you know, I mean, we've hosted Jacob Israel, who I don't really agree with much of what he said, but I'm amicable.

00:09:31.100 And I go, OK, let's have this discussion and see what you say.

00:09:34.140 Leave it up to the audience to decipher what they think about it.

00:09:36.780 I think we did it right.

00:09:37.640 And it went exactly how it was supposed to go.

00:09:40.140 The guy, the guy put out his stuff.

00:09:41.600 And I don't think anybody in the chat was deceived by it.

00:09:43.860 I had fun.

00:09:44.600 Yeah.

00:09:44.780 The chat was like, OK, cool.

00:09:46.240 And then people were very nasty afterwards, demanding biblical truth.

00:09:49.480 I'm not even mad at that guy who was like so nasty in the chat and was like demanding biblical truth.

00:09:54.360 And why did we just like let him say his piece?

00:09:56.700 Because that's what we do, because we're not afraid of the truth.

00:09:59.020 We don't think that like somebody is going to we stand so wholeheartedly on the truth.

00:10:03.460 If somebody comes in and says something not truth, we're not afraid of that.

00:10:06.500 Go ahead.

00:10:06.860 Say it, bro.

00:10:07.820 It's whatever.

00:10:08.480 And some people are not like that.

00:10:09.640 That's OK, too.

00:10:10.700 But that's my position is let the man speak.

00:10:12.640 And this is the crazy thing, bro.

00:10:16.480 And I know everybody's like, oh, no, I have all my doctrine lined up and I know everything.

00:10:20.860 I don't, dude.

00:10:21.820 Like, I don't.

00:10:23.060 And I know a lot of times how many things I've heard from somebody that initially I'm just straight offended by it.

00:10:28.460 And I'm like, they're totally wrong.

00:10:29.780 And then as they unpack it through the Bible, I'm like, OK, wait a minute.

00:10:35.840 What's he saying?

00:10:37.060 Think about the first time you ever heard that angels were boning humans.

00:10:40.200 I don't know about you.

00:10:41.360 And I don't 100 percent remember the first time I heard that.

00:10:44.040 But I do remember initially like being offended by that by that statement, being like, no, bro, that's not in the Bible.

00:10:49.220 And then as somebody unpacked it, I was like, OK, dude, I need to like I need to unpack this myself.

00:10:54.460 I need to look through the scripture and find out if this is true.

00:10:57.460 So initially, like with the shock and all what he was saying, I'm like, no, dude, this guy's way off.

00:11:01.680 But then I was like, this has happened to me before where I've heard somebody say something like so crazy.

00:11:07.100 And I'm like, no, dude, there's no way.

00:11:09.200 And then as they unpack it through scripture, I'm like, wow, OK, maybe I missed that.

00:11:13.700 Now, I didn't think that that was going to happen, but I was absolutely going to give him the opportunity to do that.

00:11:19.240 And he did go to the scriptures.

00:11:21.180 He went to Romans one to make this point.

00:11:24.320 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:11:25.120 And so I'm not somebody who's like, oh, no, I know everything.

00:11:28.560 I have flawless doctrine.

00:11:30.040 All my doctrines.

00:11:30.820 Right.

00:11:31.100 Somebody says something that I disagree with.

00:11:33.120 I need to shut them down and prove them wrong.

00:11:35.040 And that's not my thing.

00:11:36.120 I want to hear him out.

00:11:37.960 I did hear him out and I let him talk.

00:11:40.120 And again, I'm not going to debate him right there and then on what he's saying, because it's kind of like not really what we're doing here.

00:11:45.700 But one of the things that I did take exception with is his his translation of Second Thessalonians, which I thought was I let him say what he had to say.

00:11:56.460 And he was like very strong, like very felt very strongly about what he thought.

00:12:00.980 And I thought that it was just completely wrong.

00:12:03.580 And I'll bring this up a little bit later today.

00:12:06.140 There were other things like I think he's completely wrong about the sons of Seth.

00:12:09.840 Do you want me to go and jump down his throat and tell him that?

00:12:12.300 I mean, it's I think the Bible is very clear that of what it says.

00:12:16.440 And especially when we back it up with with the term, the terminology and Joe, it's fairly simple what we're talking about here.

00:12:23.560 If you don't want to see it fine.

00:12:25.120 What am I supposed to do?

00:12:26.100 Right.

00:12:26.460 Like yell at you to you.

00:12:27.340 And also, we don't know where this dude's at in the journey.

00:12:29.380 And we're in the long game here.

00:12:30.940 I think it's important that we all remember that.

00:12:32.960 I try to always remember that, bro.

00:12:34.580 Like we're in the long game and I'm especially not like caring to do a good episode or get good content.

00:12:42.680 Like we're putting out something that's timeless, dude.

00:12:45.020 Like so many great men of God have spoken into my life that passed away before I was ever born and some before I was ever born again.

00:12:52.360 And people that I didn't even live in the same time period of.

00:12:54.680 But I have access to their books.

00:12:56.380 Some of them I have access to some of their videos that are speaking into my life today.

00:13:00.360 Like some people make fun of me because I have like greater fellowship with people who aren't on the earth anymore than people who are on the earth.

00:13:05.860 Like I just have great fellowship with people who I'm reading their stuff.

00:13:08.420 And my heart's like intertwined with them.

00:13:10.340 And they're not even in my time period, dude.

00:13:12.320 But they've spoken into my heart so much, man.

00:13:14.560 And I appreciate what they're doing.

00:13:16.180 And so we have to understand some of the stuff we're doing, even though we want to get like the X followers and get more people and do this and that make a great show and get great little snippets for the shorts.

00:13:26.100 We're doing something timeless, dude.

00:13:27.660 We don't know where this dude's at in the journey.

00:13:29.360 And who knows if he doesn't come on the show, kind of put his position out.

00:13:33.480 Then he respond back from the chat.

00:13:35.660 The chat is saying some stuff.

00:13:36.980 Maybe he watches our show as time goes on.

00:13:38.500 Maybe he goes, you know what?

00:13:39.060 I'm going to rethink some of this stuff.

00:13:40.120 Well, I hope he comes back.

00:13:42.680 I invited him to come back eventually at some point.

00:13:45.800 I think that there are points that we can really talk about and like clear some stuff up.

00:13:52.200 So I thought it was a decent conversation that, again, didn't agree with him at all.

00:13:55.540 But I don't need to agree with people in order to like talk with him.

00:13:58.160 We're going to have a guy on in an hour or two that I don't really agree with what he's saying.

00:14:02.840 And I think it's dangerous, but not going to be nasty about it.

00:14:05.540 I'm also not going to cut him off at the knees.

00:14:07.080 We're going to have a discussion.

00:14:08.440 No, you and Albarino have a lot in common, bro.

00:14:10.720 Yeah.

00:14:11.020 Like you guys have that same passage, the Thessalonian passage in common.

00:14:14.080 Like you disagreed with the nasty guy.

00:14:16.240 I just tend to be more critical.

00:14:18.920 Nasty.

00:14:19.440 Nasty to people that I'm like in alignment with.

00:14:23.240 Like people that I think like, okay, we agree with so much.

00:14:26.840 Why is there this weird deception with you?

00:14:30.000 You know, rather than people who I'm like, this guy's just kind of out there floating around.

00:14:34.360 Yeah, it was a wild take.

00:14:36.060 Like you said some wild stuff on the Twitter.

00:14:38.020 Then he said some wild stuff.

00:14:39.260 He said, let's do a show.

00:14:40.280 That's cool.

00:14:40.960 And it was exactly what it was supposed to be.

00:14:42.380 Well, let's unpack that Romans one passage because his point was that homosexuals are past the point of repentance because of the Romans one passage. 0.96

00:14:50.740 And I think on the show I asked or made the point that I thought that that Romans one passage was not dealing with the individual.

00:14:57.660 It was kind of dealing with mankind as a whole and not so that like that individual.

00:15:03.900 This is exactly how it plays out when somebody turns to homosexuality, but like this is what happens in mankind as homosexuality becomes a dominant thing. 0.93

00:15:13.300 Right.

00:15:13.540 So let's just read Romans one.

00:15:14.740 We're not going to go real long today.

00:15:16.060 This is just like a quick episode.

00:15:17.640 We're just going to roll with it.

00:15:20.240 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated under the gospel of God.

00:15:26.080 Remember, he goes to great lengths to say like he's a servant first, then he's an apostle, but he's always an apostle by Jesus Christ, not by man.

00:15:33.680 And I like how he says separated under the gospel of God, like we're separated from the world.

00:15:38.420 Remember, that was last week's show was the world.

00:15:40.320 And we're completely separated from that, which he had promised before by his prophets and the Holy Scriptures concerning his son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, which was made of the seed of David, according to the flesh and declared to be the son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead.

00:15:56.960 So Jesus was declared to be the son of God by the resurrection from the dead.

00:16:00.980 If he's not resurrected, throw the whole Bible out. 0.97

00:16:03.940 If he's not resurrected, he's just Buddha or Mohammed or Confucius. 0.58

00:16:09.000 That's offensive.

00:16:09.920 Yeah, if he if he's not resurrected, none of this means anything by whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for his name, among whom are you also the called of Jesus Christ to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints, grace to you and peace from God, our father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

00:16:29.120 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all.

00:16:31.840 Remember, we talked about that in the Galatian letter last week, that like that's the one church where Paul doesn't thank God for him.

00:16:38.220 It's very intriguing.

00:16:39.320 He always does this in the beginning of his letter.

00:16:40.960 He says, I thank God for you.

00:16:42.880 What's he thank him for?

00:16:43.900 That your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

00:16:46.360 So in Rome, like the epicenter, the faith, like the like the real Christianity was in Rome at that early time.

00:16:53.660 And it was talked about everywhere.

00:16:55.100 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his son, that without ceasing, I make mention of you always in my prayers, making request if by any means, any means now at length, I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come visit you.

00:17:10.520 For I long to see you so that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift to the end that you may be established.

00:17:15.900 That's a rad verse.

00:17:16.980 Paul's talking about, I want to come be in person with you to impart a spiritual gift.

00:17:22.220 That is that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith, both of you and me.

00:17:27.460 That's like true Christian fellowship.

00:17:29.700 Talk about fellowship means that like you go to a building, you talk about the football game in the lobby and where you're going to go eat at after the show.

00:17:36.720 So you sit down, you listen to the announcements, five songs in a speech, and you stare at the back of somebody else's back.

00:17:41.400 Maybe you go down the slide.

00:17:43.000 Yeah, like biblically, we wouldn't really call that fellowship.

00:17:46.420 We would say fellowship is like this Romans 1, 12.

00:17:48.740 That I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith, both of you and me, that we may do some back and forth about our faith.

00:17:55.600 Now, I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, but was let hitherto that I might have some fruit among you.

00:18:02.540 Also, even as among other Gentiles, I'm a debtor both to the Greeks and to the barbarians, both to the wise and to the unwise. 0.99

00:18:10.780 Paul always looked at his life like he owed, like he owed somebody something.

00:18:16.040 Nobody owed Paul anything.

00:18:17.740 He owed God and he owed mankind to the preaching of the gospel.

00:18:21.040 I love this dude.

00:18:22.140 So as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

00:18:26.940 Why?

00:18:27.560 Because I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ.

00:18:29.640 Because the gospel of Christ is the power of God and the salvation to everyone that believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

00:18:37.480 We're not going to unpack the Jew first because we don't want to trigger the chat. 0.96

00:18:40.800 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith.

00:18:44.580 As it is written, the just shall live by faith, right?

00:18:47.140 There's all these references to the just living by faith, not by the law, but living by faith.

00:18:52.100 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness, right?

00:19:02.200 Living by faith is different than holding the truth in unrighteousness.

00:19:05.340 You could say those are opposites.

00:19:07.520 This is where we're getting into the crux of it now.

00:19:09.680 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath showed it unto them.

00:19:14.320 Some would say this passage is talking about the conscience within man, right?

00:19:17.460 Like, remember, Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world.

00:19:22.040 That's in John chapter 1.

00:19:23.620 I think it's verse 9 or verse 12.

00:19:26.580 But Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world, not just those who are born again.

00:19:32.540 And some would say that's conscience.

00:19:34.140 Like, man has a conscience, right, to know right and wrong.

00:19:37.000 You can go anywhere on the planet.

00:19:38.380 Like, you could go into some jungle and tell a man, like, hey, I'm going to take your wife in this tent over here and do whatever I want. 1.00

00:19:43.940 And even though he doesn't have, like, maybe written language, he doesn't have anything in society, he knows already all men are like, no, no, no.

00:19:52.520 No, I have a conscience, and that's wrong.

00:19:54.640 That action is wrong.

00:19:55.780 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:19:56.560 So man is born with conscience.

00:19:59.560 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen.

00:20:04.380 So the invisible things are clearly seen.

00:20:07.600 There is an invisible realm.

00:20:09.580 There's invisible things, and they're clearly seen.

00:20:12.080 Being understood by the things that are made, by the things that are seen.

00:20:17.720 So you can look at the seen world and know that there's something beyond this.

00:20:22.480 And man is held accountable for that.

00:20:24.540 The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

00:20:34.380 So what are the things that are seen?

00:20:35.720 The Godhead.

00:20:37.540 God.

00:20:37.940 God.

00:20:39.040 It's known that there's a creator.

00:20:40.800 It's known that there's a God, because look at the created world.

00:20:44.240 Like, that's what the Bible is clearly saying.

00:20:46.240 And you'll be held accountable for that.

00:20:47.920 Look at that.

00:20:48.740 Because when they knew God, it says, hold on, I'm going to read it again.

00:20:54.120 For the invisible things of him, sorry, for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

00:21:09.820 They are without excuse.

00:21:11.520 Everybody will be held accountable for how they view this.

00:21:14.520 Because when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful.

00:21:19.480 Remember, we always talk about that.

00:21:20.720 That's step one is be thankful.

00:21:22.160 Know him as God and be thankful.

00:21:24.280 But they became vain.

00:21:26.300 They became meaningless.

00:21:27.500 And their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened.

00:21:30.320 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

00:21:33.820 Right?

00:21:34.340 So this is a process.

00:21:35.280 They became vain.

00:21:36.460 They became fools because they denied God as the creator.

00:21:40.180 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image, into an idol.

00:21:44.560 Made like to corruptible man into birds and a four-footed beast and creeping things.

00:21:49.600 Wherefore, God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves.

00:21:57.960 So when they deny God as creator, he steps away and leaves them to themselves.

00:22:02.600 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the creator, who is blessed forever.

00:22:10.260 Amen.

00:22:10.520 Can I ask you something?

00:22:11.820 Yeah.

00:22:12.260 So this verse here, where he says, wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lust of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves.

00:22:22.520 So this is like kind of what he's using as the crux of homosexuality.

00:22:27.400 But earlier in this chapter, he talks about having, he talks about like being in the same place with somebody that has the same faith, where their faith can wrestle each other.

00:22:39.280 It's almost like a, it feels like a yin and yang of this, this particular person that is without God, that he's going to wrestle with the flesh of the other person, or their flesh will be entangled the same way that our faith would be entangled.

00:22:56.080 Does that, does that make any sense?

00:22:57.860 Or am I, am I making that up here?

00:23:00.300 No, you're kind of saying crazy stuff, but I think I'm tracking with you.

00:23:02.840 You're saying that like in the body of Christ, we mingle with one another in faith.

00:23:07.840 And if you don't do that and you're outside of faith, is that what you're saying?

00:23:13.940 Yeah.

00:23:14.720 I'll just find the, I'll find the scripture that he said.

00:23:17.780 I mean, he's, he's bluntly saying that, well, he hasn't really gotten into it yet.

00:23:22.600 I mean, he, he's kind of alluding to it about dishonoring their own bodies between themselves.

00:23:26.820 This one here.

00:23:27.660 So verse eight, I thank God.

00:23:29.240 I thank God through Jesus Christ for all of you, that faith is spoken through of the world.

00:23:35.260 I think you're talking about verse 12, verse 12.

00:23:38.560 Okay.

00:23:41.260 That I may come, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith, both of you and me.

00:23:47.160 You're talking about that their faith goes back and forth.

00:23:50.380 Yeah.

00:23:50.680 Yeah.

00:23:50.880 It's like, there's like an intermingling of the faith when you're with somebody.

00:23:53.980 So when that is not there, what is that then?

00:23:56.920 What's left?

00:23:57.460 I guess just flesh.

00:23:59.500 And that's a, yeah, that's a valid observation.

00:24:01.820 Yeah.

00:24:02.200 I mean, it's not exactly what this is talking about.

00:24:03.980 This is talking about like the flesh is just wicked and evil.

00:24:09.280 So, so when God like steps away and leaves your flesh to itself, like the flesh is wicked

00:24:16.560 and evil.

00:24:16.980 And this is what it goes after.

00:24:18.440 Our carnal animal nature starts to act like this outside the grace and mercy of God.

00:24:25.280 Cause that's what it's saying.

00:24:26.040 He's stepping away from them.

00:24:27.380 And now your own flesh is wicked and corrupt as it is.

00:24:31.280 Now it's out there on full display.

00:24:35.600 But here, here's what they do.

00:24:37.040 They, verse 25, who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshiped and served the creature 0.99

00:24:43.200 more than the creator who's blessed forever.

00:24:45.520 Amen.

00:24:45.820 Now this is all the people who don't want to serve God.

00:24:48.760 Right.

00:24:48.980 But they want to save the earth.

00:24:50.340 They want to save the whales.

00:24:51.720 They want to save the rainforest.

00:24:53.640 They love the creation more than the creator himself.

00:24:56.640 We run into this in the food forest community a lot.

00:24:58.920 Right.

00:24:59.140 Like people are enamored by like the, the world of food foresting and growing food.

00:25:03.760 And like a seed turns into this giant tree and it's incredible.

00:25:06.860 And those people give a lot of glory and honor to so-called mother earth or the creation.

00:25:11.700 Whereas we're like, no, we love the creator, man.

00:25:13.820 Like the creator is the one who set all this up and we honor him and respect him in all of

00:25:17.920 this.

00:25:18.380 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:25:19.620 As soon as you remove God from it, that's all you're left with is the creation.

00:25:24.120 So watch what he's, watch what happens next for this cause.

00:25:27.140 God gave them up on the vile affections for even their women did change the natural use 1.00

00:25:32.000 into that, which is against nature, which is ironic because they're still claiming to

00:25:35.880 be all about nature, which is like really ironic because like the gay thing is like, 1.00

00:25:39.880 oh, you're all about nature.

00:25:41.180 But if everybody was gay, like that's the end of humanity. 1.00

00:25:44.540 Like, like it's this generation. 0.65

00:25:46.460 There is no next generation.

00:25:48.140 Like that's the end of humanity.

00:25:49.420 Oh, you're so natural.

00:25:50.520 You're all about natural.

00:25:51.700 Yeah.

00:25:51.800 You're a hippie and you're so natural.

00:25:53.820 Like, like, no, no, you're missing it.

00:25:55.740 They're claiming like that.

00:25:56.680 They're natural and all this, but they change into the unnatural use of their body.

00:26:00.880 This is what the dude's talking about from last week.

00:26:03.080 Well, in a way, aren't they natural to like the world, right?

00:26:05.740 Like you could say that.

00:26:06.660 Yeah.

00:26:06.780 That your carnal nature is nasty.

00:26:09.620 Hey, not to use your word, but okay.

00:26:12.140 So this is why I was letting this dude unpack this.

00:26:14.420 And I was like, Hey, maybe there's something I missed here.

00:26:16.760 Like, like maybe there is something I missed here.

00:26:18.640 And likewise, also the men leaving the natural use of the woman burn in their lust one toward 0.65

00:26:23.720 another men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense

00:26:29.300 of their error, which was meat.

00:26:31.020 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to

00:26:35.720 a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient.

00:26:38.960 That's Romans 1.

00:27:05.280 And it's a fair point for him to make.

00:27:07.060 Like, he's saying, no, man, they have already rejected God.

00:27:13.100 The fact that they're acting out homosexuality is an evidence that they've rejected God. 0.89

00:27:18.160 And that's why they're past the point of repentance.

00:27:20.360 That's a fair thing for that dude to say.

00:27:22.520 I don't agree with it.

00:27:23.680 I don't think the scripture bears witness to that.

00:27:25.820 But that's a fair thing for him to break down the scripture.

00:27:28.600 He didn't go to some Buddhist book or some worldly book or some occult book to make his

00:27:32.460 point.

00:27:33.060 He went to the word of God.

00:27:34.120 And I disagree with that view.

00:27:35.440 But that's his view.

00:27:36.700 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:27:37.620 Yeah.

00:27:37.800 He's saying that the fact that they're a homosexual, it proves that they've already rejected God.

00:27:43.060 That's his point.

00:27:43.840 I also want to say here that the scripture does say debate.

00:27:48.860 Being filled with debate is an issue.

00:27:53.340 Yeah.

00:27:54.060 Time for you to take it to heart, boy.

00:27:56.240 Let's go.

00:27:57.220 I'm saying how to debate.

00:27:58.200 Debate is for gay people. 0.53

00:28:00.780 So when people say creation kind of came together of itself, there's no God, then there's no

00:28:05.600 God to be held accountable to.

00:28:08.340 Like, that's what's happening here.

00:28:10.660 Now, my take has always been, as I've read this passage, is that when society does that

00:28:17.460 as a whole, then the next thing you see is a spike in men with men with men and women

00:28:21.280 with women, when society does this as a whole, like I look at American time period, there's 1.00

00:28:27.300 this dude.

00:28:28.560 He came up with this theory.

00:28:31.280 He had a theory.

00:28:32.800 He never said it was.

00:28:33.780 He had proof or facts.

00:28:35.960 He said, I have this theory called evolution.

00:28:38.180 We don't know.

00:28:38.600 The dude could have been on mushrooms or LSD or something.

00:28:41.100 This is like going back a ways.

00:28:42.780 This dude's called Darwin.

00:28:44.040 And he had this theory called evolution.

00:28:46.740 And then like our society got to a point where they taught it as fact.

00:28:50.980 They didn't say like, oh, some dude had some theory.

00:28:55.460 Seems like it's kind of crazy.

00:28:56.840 Like a thing was an amoeba.

00:28:58.260 Then it was a bug.

00:28:59.160 Then it was a worm.

00:29:00.080 Then it was a fish.

00:29:00.980 Then it was a monkey.

00:29:01.720 And then it turned into a human.

00:29:03.420 It seems kind of crazy.

00:29:04.620 But a guy thought that no, no, they teach that as fact.

00:29:08.140 And my view has always been that as our society did that, then after that, we saw spike in

00:29:13.240 men with men and women with women, according to this Romans one passage, almost like a curse

00:29:17.940 on the society when they did that, not on an individual basis, not, not that it like,

00:29:24.360 like, I don't like here, like, I guess here's what I'm trying to get at.

00:29:28.720 Of why that's a society thing.

00:29:30.520 That's how I read that.

00:29:31.440 Does that make sense?

00:29:32.180 That like as a society rejects God, as mankind in a, in a group rejects him as creator.

00:29:38.740 Then after that, you see the spike in men with women.

00:29:41.520 Well, we saw, we saw that in first Samuel last week, right?

00:29:45.400 They reject God because they request the King and God goes, okay, fine, but here are the

00:29:50.180 consequences.

00:29:50.740 And then they accept the consequences.

00:29:52.400 Sure.

00:29:52.820 Yeah.

00:29:53.100 And then boom, now you live with that.

00:29:54.500 So yeah, I think that's a hundred percent.

00:29:56.040 Now here's why I don't think it's on an individual basis.

00:29:58.000 When I was a kid, I had a cousin that was gay.

00:30:01.540 And like, as far back as I can remember, he was gay. 0.68

00:30:07.120 Like, you know what I mean?

00:30:08.140 Like you just knew, I'm not saying when he was five, he was with other boys, but you could

00:30:11.740 tell when he was five, he was gay.

00:30:14.200 I don't think when he was four, he rejected God as a creator.

00:30:17.480 I don't, I don't know that he ever did.

00:30:19.280 I don't think he ever did.

00:30:20.260 I think he grew up thinking there's a God, knowing there's a God, knowing that God created

00:30:25.080 the world.

00:30:25.720 And yet he still, he was gay, man. 0.97

00:30:29.480 Like I talked about last week that people were like born this way.

00:30:32.080 I had a friend when I was a kid and my closest friend, when I was a kid, it was like this

00:30:36.060 tough, rough guy, football player.

00:30:38.600 He was my guy.

00:30:39.280 We played baseball on the street in our neighborhood, like every day in the summertime, he was like

00:30:43.640 a rough dude.

00:30:44.440 He was like my tight friend, his older brother was like a rough guy.

00:30:47.480 His dad was a football coach, like a very rough, mean, nasty football coach.

00:30:51.900 He almost beat up the neighbor one day.

00:30:53.520 Cause the neighbor yelled at us because we used to play tennis ball, baseball on the street

00:30:56.400 in a home run was like when it hit the roof on people's house.

00:30:59.380 So we were like hitting the dude's roof and he came out and yelled at us.

00:31:01.980 My buddy's dad almost beat him up.

00:31:03.680 He was like this really tough football coach.

00:31:06.040 The little brother was gay. 1.00

00:31:08.180 The little brother, as far back as I can remember was gay, bro. 1.00

00:31:11.560 I don't think that little brother like just set out in his heart to like deny God.

00:31:16.940 Right.

00:31:17.480 Well, I, I also asked him and I think anybody who listens to this episode, when it does come

00:31:22.380 out, I asked him like, where's the place for the people that have suffered, um, you know,

00:31:27.900 at the hands of somebody else, because there's, there's a certain trauma that's passed on.

00:31:32.100 This is what we talk about on NDS.

00:31:33.480 And this is a big deal.

00:31:34.260 See, this is something that's not really my wheelhouse, but yeah, this is a great point.

00:31:38.400 Yeah.

00:31:38.560 And it's, it's horrific, right?

00:31:39.860 It's like a lot of this stuff and it's not a hundred percent.

00:31:42.720 Some people I do know, I'm like, you know, ever since they were little, I'm like, yeah,

00:31:45.960 but I don't know what happened to that kid.

00:31:47.960 Um, so we just, we just give up on them.

00:31:50.200 Like, that's it.

00:31:51.620 Something happened to him when they were young and like, you're done, you're, you're condemned

00:31:55.340 to hell. 0.85

00:31:56.160 And then he'll also go on and say that he doesn't agree with Calvinist disposition of like

00:32:01.200 predetermination.

00:32:02.160 I'm like, that was kind of nice.

00:32:03.060 So you're like, Oh, so you're a Calvinist.

00:32:04.740 That was kind of intriguing for you to say that way.

00:32:06.420 Cause it kind of was like that.

00:32:07.680 Yeah.

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:08.260 See, now if, I don't know if I, if I approach it differently and I'm hostile, I can't make

00:32:14.060 some sort of like, these are sneaky points.

00:32:17.060 Yeah.

00:32:17.820 Um, he's entitled to that.

00:32:19.420 Yeah.

00:32:19.740 And as a matter of fact, I really do appreciate somebody coming on, even though I think a lot

00:32:24.480 of it was just like shock and awe.

00:32:26.120 Yeah.

00:32:26.340 It's not going to work on me because I've already done and said that, but I do appreciate

00:32:30.280 that somebody's doing that.

00:32:32.480 Yeah.

00:32:32.560 I appreciate that.

00:32:33.260 There's a pastor.

00:32:34.780 I know it sounds crazy.

00:32:36.240 That is that far because I understand the need for it.

00:32:39.680 And I understand why they feel like they had to go that far.

00:32:42.100 Well, if it's forcing people to look into it, it's like when Trump's like, they're eating

00:32:45.220 the dogs and cats, you know?

00:32:46.480 And then it's like, people are like, well, wait, are they?

00:32:48.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:49.260 But, oh, there's actually a lot of stuff going on.

00:32:51.040 Yeah.

00:32:51.320 So like, I think it's fair.

00:32:52.560 And the church, again, like the professing church in America has gone so far over here.

00:32:58.100 It almost automatically is going to bring out a guy that's so far over here almost is

00:33:02.620 automatically going to happen.

00:33:03.760 But that's why we stay on the straight gate in the narrow path and just stay grounded in

00:33:08.000 the word of God and don't let the society or the fake church affect us and affect our

00:33:12.400 doctrine and make a new doctrine.

00:33:14.140 A lot of times wild ass doctrines come about in response to somebody else's doctrine.

00:33:19.040 Like, like, for example, today, people will say crazy stuff.

00:33:21.920 They'll be like, God told me, and they'll just name some crazy thing.

00:33:25.280 Well, like in the so-called charismatic movement and enough people saw that enough times to

00:33:29.880 develop a doctrine that God doesn't speak to people today.

00:33:32.880 You get like hardcore reformed people who are like, God doesn't speak to people today

00:33:36.080 other than through his word.

00:33:37.120 That's it.

00:33:38.000 He no longer speaks to you through your spirit.

00:33:39.880 What is that?

00:33:40.380 That's just a response to like people saying crazy stuff, saying they had this vision,

00:33:45.080 saying they were in the throne room, saying this happened and that happened and God told

00:33:49.300 them this.

00:33:50.080 And so in response to that, they make a doctrine that says, no, God doesn't speak to anybody.

00:33:54.000 It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, take all that, put it to the side and just stay grounded

00:33:57.140 in the word of God.

00:33:58.660 Back to this homosexual thing. 1.00

00:34:00.480 Remember, I think I brought it up in the show too.

00:34:02.220 Like there was a dude who was here who was like raised in church as a kid and then started

00:34:06.820 practicing homosexuality and then was in the Pulse nightclub shooting and then realized

00:34:12.240 that he was living in sin and realized that he loved the Lord and it was against his Lord

00:34:16.540 and he repented of that lifestyle and is born again.

00:34:21.960 So like, that's my take is that that's possible.

00:34:25.080 Romans one is not applied to like an individual.

00:34:27.980 It's applied to mankind.

00:34:29.700 It's applied to a society as a whole that this is where some of this stuff comes from.

00:34:34.160 Oh, that's okay.

00:34:34.880 I understand exactly what you're saying now.

00:34:36.640 It's like a blanket term.

00:34:37.920 This is a blanket curse that this will afflict you.

00:34:40.320 Yeah, like if your society starts to believe in Darwin theory of evolution and you deny

00:34:44.360 God is the creator, watch for a spike in men with men and women with women after that

00:34:48.400 in your society.

00:34:49.500 So the first time we had Ed Mabry on, we were talking about God's speed of light.

00:34:53.900 And I think this is an interesting episode.

00:34:55.320 You should probably watch it because the theory is interesting.

00:34:59.000 Scientifically, the speed of light is slowed down throughout the millennia and they've proven

00:35:02.960 this somehow or other.

00:35:03.880 And Ed's theory was that, well, if God is light, like if he is the, if he's the light

00:35:11.280 that lights up the world, I don't know.

00:35:13.620 I'm not saying he's the sun, but if this makes any sense to you and he's drawing further

00:35:17.500 away from us, like we have the fall where we're kicked out the garden.

00:35:21.060 We have the, the antediluvian period after the flood, right?

00:35:24.940 We have the, the Kings, the judgment, we, we killed his son, so on and so forth.

00:35:30.440 And then we, then we continue.

00:35:31.880 And he's like, in each one of these instances, it seems like the speed of light has slowed

00:35:35.500 down because it's like, it is, it's almost like a principle where it's like, okay, you've

00:35:40.620 chosen.

00:35:41.360 And then, and then God maybe goes, okay, that's your, that's what you're choosing.

00:35:45.780 So I don't know if he's, is God getting further from us or are our consequences making it

00:35:52.220 feel that way?

00:35:52.840 Does this, yeah, no, it's a good thought.

00:35:55.080 It's a good thing to think through.

00:35:56.560 Because that's what, that's the argument that we're making here with Romans then, where

00:35:59.780 it's like, if this is the consequence of doing these things, God is almost like, he's going

00:36:04.120 to let you over to a reprobate mind. 0.74

00:36:07.340 So he's like going to step away in a sense.

00:36:10.040 Yeah.

00:36:10.160 So let's, so let's see how Paul dealt with this in the Corinthian church.

00:36:13.280 We're back to one Corinthians five.

00:36:14.780 Again, it is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, like fornication is

00:36:20.160 sex outside the marriage covenant, okay? 0.65

00:36:22.880 Sexual perversion, if you will, anything outside the marriage covenant is sexual perversion.

00:36:27.780 It's reported commonly that there is fornication among you and such fornication as is not so

00:36:32.480 much as named among the Gentiles that one should have his father's wife.

00:36:35.980 And you are puffed up and I'm not rather mourned that he that had done this deed might be taken

00:36:41.660 away from among you for I verily as absent in body, but present in spirit have judged

00:36:46.640 already as though I were present concerning him that had so done this deed in the name

00:36:51.760 of our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:36:52.800 When you're gathered together in my spirit with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ to

00:36:56.640 deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in

00:37:02.940 the day of the Lord Jesus, do you hear what he's saying?

00:37:06.620 In verse two, he says that he's, that he'd be taken away in verse five.

00:37:11.420 He says to deliver such a one unto Satan, to deliver such a one unto Satan is to put him

00:37:16.640 out of the church because Satan, as we talked about last week is the God of this world.

00:37:21.540 Like we're not under the authority of the God of this world as we're under this umbrella

00:37:25.320 of Christ, which is the body of Christ of which he is the head as we're part of his

00:37:29.960 body is we're part of the church.

00:37:32.140 We're not part of the world.

00:37:33.400 We're not under the authority of Satan.

00:37:35.060 We're not delivered unto Satan.

00:37:36.860 He's saying, take him out, remove him from the body to deliver such a one unto Satan for

00:37:42.400 the destruction of the flesh.

00:37:43.640 As if to say, let the world and Satan beat him up a little while till he, till he figures

00:37:48.300 this out.

00:37:49.140 I know it sounds crazy.

00:37:50.180 This is my take on this.

00:37:51.140 If you, if you view it different, that's okay.

00:37:52.860 And we're cool, but this is totally my take.

00:37:55.260 He's saying, remove him from the church.

00:37:57.220 And he's also saying to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,

00:38:02.320 that his flesh may be chastised, if you will, that he'll live outside the covenant of God 0.99

00:38:07.160 and that he'll see what happens and that hopefully this will have the right effect on him.

00:38:11.380 But if we let him stay in the church in this form, we're going to kill him.

00:38:14.380 He's going to die like this.

00:38:15.440 He's going to think he's okay.

00:38:16.500 And he's not.

00:38:17.160 This is the story of the prodigal son, right?

00:38:18.600 You kind of have to let them go experience in order for them to come back in a meaningful

00:38:22.320 way.

00:38:22.680 Yeah, you could say that.

00:38:23.500 You could say that some people, like some people I talk to, they're like, their kids

00:38:27.200 are not walking with God.

00:38:28.300 And I'm always like, yeah, yeah.

00:38:29.500 Let the world beat them up for a while.

00:38:30.940 Let them go through the trials and tribulations of life until it beats them down to a point

00:38:35.320 where they're like, dude, I know what the solution is here.

00:38:37.780 I'm just not doing it.

00:38:39.020 I think that's the tough role as a parent.

00:38:40.820 I'm a new, new seven year parent, but it's like, you got to let them get burned, but you

00:38:46.180 don't want them to be maimed.

00:38:47.380 Right?

00:38:48.100 Sure.

00:38:49.560 I just trust God with it.

00:38:50.800 You know what I'm saying?

00:38:51.380 But yeah, you're right.

00:38:52.000 There is this balance as a parent of like, yeah, because Jess used to get mad. 0.70

00:38:55.740 She's like, they're crawling around on the jungle gym and they're going to, you know,

00:38:58.540 I'm like, yeah, that's how they learn.

00:38:59.680 She's like, by breaking a leg, you know, she would kind of be like that.

00:39:02.780 I'd be like, yeah, just let them figure it out.

00:39:04.480 Yeah.

00:39:04.640 Maybe they break a leg.

00:39:05.400 Like when I was a kid, kids were always in casts and stuff.

00:39:07.540 Like it's just, you know what I'm saying?

00:39:09.140 You sign the cast.

00:39:10.120 Like you never see the kids with a cast anymore because the parents are like, no, no, no, don't

00:39:13.600 let them do this.

00:39:14.160 Don't let them do that.

00:39:14.720 I'm not saying there's not a danger in falling off the thing, but there's a danger in not falling off

00:39:18.900 the thing.

00:39:19.260 Just like parents are like, no, I won't let my kids walk to school because they might

00:39:23.020 get kidnapped.

00:39:23.980 Sure.

00:39:24.140 There's a danger in letting your kid walk to school.

00:39:27.000 There's also a danger in not letting them walk to school and they never find their way

00:39:30.340 in life.

00:39:30.840 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:39:31.640 Yeah.

00:39:31.920 There is like this balance.

00:39:33.160 But in this case, Paul says, get them out of the church.

00:39:36.040 Let Satan chastise them.

00:39:38.020 Now let's just see how this unfolds.

00:39:39.620 Let's see how it unfolds.

00:39:42.460 He says to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may

00:39:46.460 be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

00:39:48.280 Ultimately, that's the goal.

00:39:49.540 Your glorying is not good.

00:39:50.960 Remember, they're puffed up.

00:39:52.080 They're saying, yeah, look how tolerant we are.

00:39:53.600 Yeah, your glorying is not good.

00:39:55.540 Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump.

00:39:58.360 Now we're getting down to the crux of it.

00:40:00.600 Now we're getting down to the crux of it.

00:40:02.180 If you allow that in the church, that disease is going to spread.

00:40:06.140 That's contagious.

00:40:07.100 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

00:40:09.260 You know, people say all sins are the same.

00:40:11.200 Paul's saying right here, all sins are not the same.

00:40:13.460 Get that sexual perversion out of the church. 0.99

00:40:15.900 It definitely can't be in leadership, but it can't even be in the church.

00:40:19.820 It will spread.

00:40:21.100 All sins aren't the same.

00:40:22.440 I was talking about my wife about this idea of the homosexuality being like this weird

00:40:30.740 taboo sin that it's like can't turn away from or you can't deny if you are gay. 0.85

00:40:36.680 And she's like, yeah, this is harder than like other ones.

00:40:40.420 Like, I don't know, drug use, for instance.

00:40:42.180 I was like, why is it harder?

00:40:43.060 It's still a flesh thing.

00:40:44.080 He's like, yeah, but it's this weird built in sexual desire that also goes with our mechanism

00:40:49.660 for reproduction.

00:40:51.020 It's a crazy one because it's deeply rooted.

00:40:54.840 Drugs are pretty deeply rooted, but it's still a surface kind of vice.

00:40:59.880 Whereas sex is, that's the thing that I think everybody deep down, that's probably the hardest

00:41:05.820 thing for people to shake.

00:41:07.140 Yeah, that people argue with me out here and they say, can you imagine never having sex

00:41:10.960 again then?

00:41:11.700 You're saying you can't be a Christian and practice homosexual activity?

00:41:15.640 Like, I'm saying you must be born again.

00:41:18.000 Yeah.

00:41:18.140 So the only thing I have to compare it to is who I was before I was born again.

00:41:21.460 That's all I got.

00:41:22.760 Well, no matter what, I had to be born again.

00:41:24.560 No matter what my sin life was before, the solution is the same for everybody.

00:41:28.640 You must be born again.

00:41:30.560 And so sure, that's a hard one, but I think that's a problem because we have a lot of people

00:41:33.580 in church that aren't born again.

00:41:35.380 So if they're a homosexual, then people are like, oh, look, look at that sin. 0.80

00:41:39.460 We know that they're living in sin, but people have all kinds of other sins that we're just

00:41:43.880 okay with.

00:41:45.280 And these people aren't born again.

00:41:47.260 You see what I'm saying?

00:41:48.000 But the solution for everybody is you must be born again.

00:41:50.940 Death to the old self.

00:41:52.500 Like that, that is the only solution.

00:41:54.180 The only solution God has is execution of the old man. 0.99

00:41:58.040 That's it.

00:41:58.680 It doesn't matter if you're a homosexual. 0.86

00:42:00.000 It doesn't matter if you're in drugs.

00:42:01.000 It doesn't matter if you're a goody two-shoes. 1.00

00:42:02.740 That's why it's harder for goody two-shoes a lot of times to get converted because they're 1.00

00:42:06.180 already a goody two-shoes and then go to church and fit in without being born again.

00:42:09.820 Yeah.

00:42:09.980 But the solution for all of it is you must be born again.

00:42:12.820 Okay.

00:42:13.020 We're going to run through these passages to see what the scripture says.

00:42:16.200 So verse seven, purge out therefore the old leaven that you may be a new lump as you are

00:42:20.340 unleavened for even Christ, our Passover is sacrificed for us.

00:42:23.760 Therefore, let us keep the feast not with old leaven, neither with leaven of malice and

00:42:27.480 wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

00:42:31.320 I wrote unto you an epistle, not to company with fornicators.

00:42:34.980 Now we're getting to it.

00:42:37.920 Let not yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world or with the covetous or executioners

00:42:43.920 or with idolaters or sorry, or extortioners or with idolaters for then must you needs go

00:42:49.600 out of the world.

00:42:50.680 Paul's saying all those things are in the world.

00:42:52.900 We know those things are in the world.

00:42:54.980 He's but what he's saying here is it's none of our business.

00:42:58.180 Our business is what's going on in the church.

00:43:00.300 You see that in the church.

00:43:01.260 It has to go.

00:43:02.140 You see it in the world.

00:43:03.080 No kidding.

00:43:04.180 It's the lost world that doesn't know God.

00:43:05.860 Like that's what happens.

00:43:06.940 Boys start on boys. 0.98

00:43:08.200 Girls start humping girls. 0.99

00:43:09.060 Like that's what goes on out there.

00:43:10.700 But in the church, we can't have that.

00:43:13.020 But now I've written unto you not to keep company.

00:43:15.080 If a man that is called a brother, the man in the church that's called a brother is a

00:43:19.800 fornicator or covetous or an idolater or a railer or a drunkard or an extortioner with

00:43:26.040 such a one, no, not to eat, not to fellowship with for what have I to do to judge them that

00:43:31.360 are without to judge the world?

00:43:33.540 Do not you judge them that are within?

00:43:35.680 That's our real job.

00:43:36.740 But them that are without God judges, therefore, put away from among yourselves that wicked

00:43:41.680 person.

00:43:43.380 All right.

00:43:44.080 Now we have to you say, OK, so what happened to this guy, man?

00:43:47.240 They threw him out of the church.

00:43:48.320 They delivered him to Satan.

00:43:50.120 We'll look at Paul's second letter to the Corinthians just to give this some context here.

00:43:53.940 It's going to go quick from here because I know we got to get on with the guy Albarino.

00:43:58.100 Let's go.

00:43:58.980 This guy is so excited.

00:44:00.280 This is a two Corinthians two, four, two Corinthians two, four through eleven.

00:44:05.700 And can I?

00:44:09.140 Yeah, but I just want to go quick because I know everybody's like ready to go.

00:44:12.740 All the people are excited.

00:44:13.900 Um, when he says when he says that they need to go out into the world, do you so do you

00:44:23.660 think that at this time period was the was the church a place or whatever this you'd like

00:44:28.540 to call this, this body?

00:44:29.940 This is a place that people wanted to get back into because even if they were out in the

00:44:34.900 world, he's he's almost negotiating from a point of power where they're like, all right,

00:44:39.780 you're you're outside of this body, this community and people will want to come back 1.00

00:44:44.420 in.

00:44:44.860 But I feel like it's it's the inverse in today's society all wants them to come back

00:44:49.640 in.

00:44:50.140 No, go ahead.

00:44:50.740 Say what you're saying.

00:44:51.860 Yeah, no, he wants them to come back in.

00:44:53.480 But I feel like there is also this desire of of the place that is the church, the body

00:44:59.040 that is the church, the community that they they will actually want back in.

00:45:03.740 Yeah.

00:45:04.000 Whereas nowadays, I actually want you to accept them the way they are in their sin.

00:45:08.260 That's a big thing.

00:45:09.280 Like, that's a big thing.

00:45:10.240 If you talk to people, they they want it.

00:45:12.640 They almost demand that you allow them back in the church because everything's OK and they

00:45:17.180 want to continue living in their lifestyle and be told that it's OK.

00:45:21.280 And the church has been all too willing to satisfy that because that way they get the

00:45:25.820 more people, they get the money, the church is packed.

00:45:28.540 And again, we come back to like, OK, what is the goal of the church?

00:45:31.740 Yeah.

00:45:31.840 What is the goal of the church, like success by numbers?

00:45:34.600 I'm saying that was a thing we agreed with the dude on last week.

00:45:37.200 Like he brought up that point.

00:45:38.180 That was a great point.

00:45:39.140 Like if you're just trying to bring people in for the numbers, like what is the success

00:45:41.660 of the church?

00:45:42.700 Yeah.

00:45:43.340 The success of the church is like the strong knit community.

00:45:46.120 I think it needs to be sold like it needs to be able to sell itself that people want

00:45:51.300 to go to it.

00:45:52.040 And I don't feel like that's the case now and not just go to the show, but I mean, like

00:45:56.080 be a part of the community.

00:45:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:45:59.540 Yeah.

00:45:59.660 Like today, it's just part of some show and you're like a nice person in America and probably

00:46:04.700 a good person to do business with.

00:46:06.020 You get some good business connections.

00:46:07.960 If I get kicked out or so what if they push me out?

00:46:10.420 Like I have no desire to go back.

00:46:12.420 I'm going to go do this and join a community that's more appealing elsewhere.

00:46:15.820 But if the church is actually offering something of value, while I'm being chewed up out there,

00:46:21.780 I'm going to look at this thing and want to be back apart, back part of it.

00:46:25.760 I feel like that's a big part of what what's going on here.

00:46:28.700 Like, OK, let's watch this story unfold because you're talking about what's about to happen.

00:46:32.700 Did you read ahead in the notes?

00:46:34.180 Maybe.

00:46:34.460 OK, 2 Corinthians 2, 4 through 11.

00:46:37.920 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart, I wrote unto you with many tears.

00:46:41.400 This is Paul talking to the Corinthians in the second Corinthian letter about the first

00:46:46.440 Corinthian letter.

00:46:47.720 Out of much affliction and anguish of heart, I wrote unto you with many tears, not that you

00:46:51.840 should be grieved, but that you might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.

00:46:55.720 Like he has to punish them like a father punishes a child and he has to make sure they understand

00:46:59.960 that's the context.

00:47:01.520 But if any have caused grief, he hasn't grieved me, but in part that I may not overcharge

00:47:06.220 you all.

00:47:06.700 I'm good.

00:47:07.160 He's saying I'm good.

00:47:08.440 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment which was inflicted of many.

00:47:13.100 This is him talking about the guy that they kicked out of the church.

00:47:16.560 This is what happened next.

00:47:18.080 They kicked him out.

00:47:18.680 He says sufficient to such a man is the punishment which was inflicted of many so that contrary

00:47:23.180 wise, you ought rather to forgive him and comfort him.

00:47:26.980 Lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

00:47:31.340 Wherefore, I beseech you that you would confirm your love toward him.

00:47:35.680 For to this end also did I write that I might know the proof of you, whether you be obedient

00:47:40.080 in all things.

00:47:40.780 Like I told you the first time to throw him out.

00:47:42.760 Now I'm telling you to receive him.

00:47:45.420 To whom you forgive anything, I forgive also.

00:47:48.660 For if I forgave anything to whom I forgave it for your sakes, forgave I it in the person

00:47:53.340 of Christ, lest Satan should get an advantage of us, for we are not ignorant of his devices.

00:47:58.240 He says, look, it did what it was intended to do.

00:48:01.280 We delivered him over to Satan.

00:48:03.420 He's out of the church.

00:48:04.780 He's known his wrong.

00:48:06.060 If we would have just let him stay here, he would have never known his wrong.

00:48:10.160 He would have never repented.

00:48:11.860 He would have never changed.

00:48:13.080 And furthermore, it would have spread into the church.

00:48:15.400 Do you see the problem today?

00:48:16.720 If you're not confronting sin like this in the church, not only does that guy end up

00:48:21.860 dying, he spreads death to everyone.

00:48:24.820 Because the church just, a little leaven leavens the whole lump.

00:48:27.900 It's bad, dude.

00:48:28.960 It blows the church up.

00:48:30.240 It infiltrates everything.

00:48:32.100 It's a sickness.

00:48:32.980 It's a disease that's contagious.

00:48:35.000 And it gets into everyone.

00:48:36.520 This is how you deal with it.

00:48:37.600 Get him out of the church.

00:48:38.740 Okay, he's gone out of the church.

00:48:40.140 He's repented now.

00:48:41.260 Now receive him again.

00:48:42.700 So he's saying the opposite.

00:48:44.220 He's had sexual perversion.

00:48:46.720 He's lived in sexual perversion.

00:48:48.520 He's not past the point of repentance.

00:48:50.240 Bring him back in.

00:48:51.180 Bring him back in.

00:48:52.240 Right?

00:48:52.780 You need extreme discernment for this as well.

00:48:55.500 Like there's a lot of cases.

00:48:57.500 Lily Phillips being one of the latest.

00:48:59.180 I know you don't know these people.

00:49:00.780 She sounds sweet, though.

00:49:01.980 I mean, I don't.

00:49:02.760 She's a lady that had sex with a thousand men in one night. 1.00

00:49:05.160 And then she decided to get baptized.

00:49:07.580 And there's a precedent for like when I see that.

00:49:10.660 How do you guys find these stories?

00:49:11.840 Oh, it's everywhere.

00:49:12.560 I mean, just open up your eyeballs.

00:49:13.820 And you'll see it.

00:49:15.780 So she decided that she wants to leave this behind.

00:49:20.040 She's going to get baptized.

00:49:21.340 And the Christian community jumped down. 0.74

00:49:22.820 I'm sure that the pastor that we were just talking to would probably call her this or that.

00:49:26.760 And I said, hey, you know, if she wants to do that, I think she should be welcomed back in.

00:49:32.080 But discernment should also be used.

00:49:34.080 Because afterwards, she says, you know, it's not the traditional baptism.

00:49:37.580 Like I still support everything that I did.

00:49:39.340 I'm going to continue to do it.

00:49:40.220 I know what this is.

00:49:41.040 Because then you said this hoe just took a bath. 1.00

00:49:43.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:43.380 You just took a bath.

00:49:44.900 Now I'm casting.

00:49:46.340 Now you got to go back out of the church.

00:49:48.140 Like we have to have that ability to really understand when someone means it.

00:49:52.340 But then that's difficult, too.

00:49:53.300 Because now I'm reading it to someone else's heart.

00:49:55.240 I don't know if I can do that.

00:49:56.780 Stay grounded in the scripture.

00:49:57.880 Like that's the leadership in a church.

00:49:59.560 The apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, teachers, deacons.

00:50:03.580 Like this whole leadership body needs to be in union, in communion with one another, discussing the scriptures, praying to God, letting the Holy Spirit guide the church, and letting him deal with it.

00:50:14.880 But as long as it's just a business, then all that's foolishness, and we're not going to get anywhere.

00:50:19.500 So let's look at the biblical definition for marriage in Matthew 19.

00:50:24.200 And it came to pass that when Jesus had finished these things, he departed from Galilee, we're in verse 1, and came into the coast of Judea beyond Jordan, verse 2.

00:50:33.080 And great multitudes followed him, and he healed them there.

00:50:35.700 The Pharisees also came unto him.

00:50:37.780 These guys are always coming after him.

00:50:39.640 But they came after him, tempting him, and saying unto him, is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

00:50:47.280 And he answered and said unto them, have you not read that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female?

00:50:52.780 Okay, that's one thing, made them male and female, and said, for this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife, and they too shall be one flesh. 0.94

00:51:06.300 Notice all through scripture, you never see this context of like, for this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his husband.

00:51:15.560 Never.

00:51:16.700 It's taken for granted that everybody knows, of course, that's not on the table.

00:51:21.200 That's not even an option.

00:51:22.780 Like, it's never, ever said, you know, a man and his wife or a man and his husband.

00:51:27.980 Never.

00:51:28.880 That's never the context of the scripture.

00:51:30.800 It takes for granted that everybody understands God created part A to go inside part B.

00:51:35.920 That's it.

00:51:36.880 Like, it's very clear.

00:51:40.040 Wherefore, they are no more two but one flesh. 0.79

00:51:42.780 What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

00:51:46.640 So there we have a biblical definition for marriage, right?

00:51:49.660 Marriage is a covenant between a man, a woman. 0.95

00:51:54.560 Some people stop there.

00:51:56.620 But biblically speaking, it's a covenant between a man, a woman, and God.

00:52:01.080 You see what I'm saying?

00:52:02.080 That's the biblical definition for marriage.

00:52:04.600 This is a, David and I, when we're talking about this like, spiritual iniquity or like, spiritual attack specifically,

00:52:10.020 almost every time we hear the story, it's after a divorce.

00:52:13.900 And that's not a promise in front of the state.

00:52:15.820 That's a promise in front of God.

00:52:17.280 Maybe people don't know that they're doing that, but they're doing that.

00:52:19.580 Then they break that covenant.

00:52:20.940 And then they're under attack and they wonder why.

00:52:22.880 This is what's a really big deal.

00:52:24.300 Covenant is a really big deal to God.

00:52:26.320 And so his thing is like, do you want to partake of this really rad thing?

00:52:30.680 Do you want to partake of this really rad thing that also includes like making other human lives?

00:52:35.700 Yeah, no problem.

00:52:36.380 You can be part of this really rad thing called sex.

00:52:38.760 It'll be like one of the coolest things you ever do in your life.

00:52:41.320 But it's between you.

00:52:42.740 It's between a husband and a wife. 0.99

00:52:44.820 Like, that's it.

00:52:45.620 Anything outside of that is not okay to have sex.

00:52:49.640 You and the wife, you guys can do whatever you want.

00:52:52.340 You guys, like, there's nothing off limits.

00:52:54.540 He's like, yeah, this is this really rad thing.

00:52:55.920 You got a super hot wife. 1.00

00:52:56.960 You do whatever you want with her.

00:52:57.860 Like, yeah, go do it.

00:52:59.200 He's like, right on.

00:53:00.200 You guys will make babies.

00:53:01.180 It'll be this really rad thing.

00:53:02.280 But it must be within the covenant.

00:53:04.060 And if you want to engage in sexual activity, you have to be in the covenant to do it.

00:53:08.320 If you do it before you're in that covenant, you're disgracing the covenant.

00:53:11.540 If you go outside your covenant to do it, you're disgracing the covenant.

00:53:14.580 But he's a covenant keeping God.

00:53:16.120 And that's why it's a big deal.

00:53:17.560 And the sex thing is a big deal.

00:53:19.180 And that's why it's like the most mangled thing in society.

00:53:22.240 That's why it's used in all, like they say, sex sells in the commercials.

00:53:25.460 And the shows and stuff.

00:53:27.100 That's why it's so mangled.

00:53:29.160 Definitions for what's okay for sex get mangled.

00:53:32.440 God says, if you want to take part of this, you have to do it under the covenant.

00:53:35.460 That's the rules.

00:53:36.220 Whether you like it or not, that's the rules.

00:53:38.120 It's funny that they call it orientation, right?

00:53:41.220 Like sexual orientation.

00:53:42.920 Like, which way are you aimed at?

00:53:44.300 And it's like, orientation should be toward God all the time.

00:53:48.840 Amen.

00:53:49.600 So it's funny when you remove that and you kind of spin that like a clock and go any direction.

00:53:53.480 Well, not to take a rabbit trail.

00:53:54.340 But sometimes you hear like the dumbest, corniest, like Christian counseling on marriage. 0.97

00:53:58.620 And it's the dumbest, dude.

00:54:00.100 It's like, make sure you have date night with your wife. 0.74

00:54:02.620 Make sure you talk to your wife in her love language.

00:54:04.500 Make sure you talk to the husband in the love language.

00:54:06.800 And it's also like the worst marriage is like two people saying, what am I getting out of this?

00:54:11.860 What am I getting out of this?

00:54:13.500 That's the worst marriage. 0.89

00:54:14.640 It's like, what am I getting?

00:54:15.840 I want to make sure you're doing your part because I'm doing my part.

00:54:18.760 I don't want to do more than 50%.

00:54:20.300 I want to do 50-50. 0.79

00:54:21.680 What am I getting?

00:54:22.520 That's the worst marriage. 0.89

00:54:24.320 A little step up, but still bad, is, oh, it's all about you.

00:54:28.960 I want to make sure you're happy.

00:54:30.440 No, I want to make sure you're happy.

00:54:32.580 No, I want to make sure you're happy.

00:54:34.800 That, because of the wickedness of our sin, that just leads to a disaster because this becomes fickle.

00:54:39.060 What makes this person happy today?

00:54:40.460 What makes them happy tomorrow?

00:54:41.520 When is it enough?

00:54:42.820 Then all of a sudden you're going overboard and this person becomes dominated.

00:54:45.460 They do more stuff for me.

00:54:46.800 Oh, it's all about you.

00:54:47.820 It's all about you.

00:54:48.620 That's all madness.

00:54:49.720 And that filth and trash and garbage is in Christian counseling, even on TV, all the time.

00:54:55.040 Make sure you take your wife on date night. 0.62

00:54:56.580 This is the secret to a good marriage.

00:54:58.020 Do you want to know the secret to a good marriage?

00:54:59.940 Focusing on God.

00:55:01.840 Like, that's it.

00:55:02.760 Like, that's it.

00:55:03.400 As long as you're doing that focused on yourself or focused on the other person, good luck in that marriage.

00:55:10.400 That's going to be a disaster.

00:55:11.520 But if two people love the Lord and they're focused on God, like, here's the two people, and they're in a covenant between a man, a woman, and God, they're focused on God in this covenant.

00:55:22.280 And then everything goes great in this marriage.

00:55:24.720 Not to say they don't have fights and problems like everybody else.

00:55:27.000 Of course they do.

00:55:27.860 But, like, the thrust and the focus of their marriage is God, not their marriage.

00:55:32.980 Like, not focusing on each other.

00:55:35.200 Like, that's a bottomless pit, dude, just because the way humans are made, it's never enough.

00:55:40.240 Like, if you're just saying, what am I getting out of this?

00:55:42.160 It'll never be enough.

00:55:43.360 If you're saying, oh, I want to give to you so that you're happy, it'll never be enough.

00:55:47.100 Like, the only way a Christian marriage is supposed to operate is with both parties focused on God.

00:55:52.340 That's it.

00:55:52.840 And that's, like, the simplest solution for Christian marriage, and I'm tired of, like, the trashy, just worldly, like, church teachings on Christian marriage. 1.00

00:56:01.920 It's usually just very stupid.

00:56:03.740 Very stupid.

00:56:05.100 Okay, so here's what he says.

00:56:08.220 Wherefore, there are no more two but one flesh.

00:56:10.060 What therefore God has joined together, let no man pull apart.

00:56:13.040 They say unto him, why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement and to put her away?

00:56:18.840 He saith, this is Jesus speaking back to the Pharisees now.

00:56:21.560 He saith unto the Pharisees, Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, suffered you to put away your wives.

00:56:27.100 He didn't command you to put away your wives from verse 7, but in verse 8, he suffered or allowed you to do it.

00:56:33.260 So this is a wild thing.

00:56:34.820 This is him saying God put something in the law that really wasn't his will.

00:56:41.820 Isn't that wild that that's in the law, but it really wasn't God's will?

00:56:45.580 He said, yeah, yeah, it wasn't intended to be that way, but he did allow for it in the law.

00:56:50.060 He did allow for it.

00:56:51.100 Well, isn't this the entire the entirety of the law?

00:56:53.740 It's like people struggling with a thing.

00:56:57.220 They're begging for a hard and fast rule written in stone.

00:57:00.920 So that way we know what is permissible and what is not.

00:57:03.860 So they if they're falling to the lust of the eye to someone else's wife, like put him away, put a burka on her. 0.80

00:57:10.540 So I can't look at her.

00:57:11.540 And I sort of understand that inclination, but I think we've already covered it.

00:57:17.960 And in Christianity, like we know these passages, if any man looks upon a woman to lust, he's committed adultery in her own heart.

00:57:23.380 The women in the culture of our kingdom, they do that without being told that the women in our kingdom don't dress sexy. 1.00

00:57:29.660 They don't dress with tits and ass hanging out trying to get men to lust after them because that's not the culture of our kingdom. 1.00

00:57:35.520 The culture of our kingdom is if any man looks upon a woman to lust, he's committed adultery.

00:57:39.600 So not just the men are mindful, but the women are mindful, too.

00:57:42.460 But all these barriers and rules, those will not stop us from doing that.

00:57:46.360 Only an internal changed heart will stop us from doing that.

00:57:49.500 That's exactly that's exactly what I'm getting to.

00:57:51.800 He saith unto them, Moses, because of the hardness of your heart, suffered you to put away your wives.

00:57:56.200 But from the beginning, it was not so like as if to say he knew you were going to disobey this and he allowed for it because he knew it was going to be too hard of a command for you.

00:58:04.100 So he allowed for it.

00:58:05.060 And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication and shall marry another commits adultery. 0.94

00:58:12.840 And whoso marries her, which is put away, does commit adultery.

00:58:15.440 So this is the teaching on biblical marriage, divorce, and this concept of like fornication and adultery, sex outside the covenant.

00:58:28.400 Right.

00:58:29.080 All right.

00:58:29.620 Mark 3, 20 through 30.

00:58:32.520 We're just going to keep unpacking this.

00:58:34.500 This is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

00:58:37.140 This is like the unforgivable sin, which I saw this in the chat.

00:58:40.440 This one saying, man, I love the way the chat was during that discussion was like this dude was trying to biblically unpack that homosexuality was an unforgivable sin. 0.94

00:58:48.940 The chat said, no, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin.

00:58:52.900 I was like so proud of the chat.

00:58:54.340 The other chat is biblically sound, bro.

00:58:56.440 This is this is a I mean, without getting muddied into the waters of, you know, is homosexuality an unforgivable sin blasphemy what it is in this in this passage defining what it is being the unforgivable sin is fascinating enough on its own that I don't know to expand it is just kind of ridiculous in my opinion. 0.80

00:59:18.180 But, uh, yeah, let's read it.

00:59:20.680 Um, okay.

00:59:21.840 So we're in Mark 3, 20 through 30.

00:59:24.340 In the multitude came together again so that they could not so much as eat bread.

00:59:30.800 I got it.

00:59:32.320 I was getting nervous.

00:59:34.440 Dude, I threw this verse 20 is kind of like a little bit before we get in the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

00:59:38.840 But I just feel like people need to know this passage in the multitude came together again so that they could not so much as eat bread.

00:59:44.720 This is all the people following Christ.

00:59:47.140 So many people coming to get like they couldn't even stop to eat a meal.

00:59:50.520 Like that's what happened.

00:59:51.560 Verse 21, and when his friends, that's Jesus' friends.

00:59:55.780 I love this passage.

00:59:56.980 I love that this passage exists.

00:59:58.640 Most people don't even know this passage exists, man.

01:00:01.960 When Jesus' friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him for they said he's beside himself.

01:00:07.220 He's angry.

01:00:08.560 No, he's gone mad.

01:00:11.060 Jesus has lost his mind.

01:00:13.100 That's the accusation of his friends.

01:00:14.840 Oh, you didn't think he had friends?

01:00:15.860 Yeah, he grew up in a town.

01:00:17.780 He went to school.

01:00:19.320 Maybe he played soccer.

01:00:20.200 Like he had a job.

01:00:22.500 He's a carpenter.

01:00:23.140 Yeah, he had friends.

01:00:24.220 He grew up and he had friends.

01:00:25.820 Those friends came out and said, what's going on, dude?

01:00:28.880 Like you're our guy.

01:00:29.900 Like we've always hung out.

01:00:30.900 Like now you're this big religious guru.

01:00:32.600 Like what's, you've lost your mind.

01:00:35.820 You know that passage is there.

01:00:37.800 His friends went after him and said, you've lost your mind.

01:00:40.540 And I just think most people aren't ready for that, dude.

01:00:43.040 Like most people, like you don't think if they came after our Lord like that and said, you've lost your mind.

01:00:48.040 You're not ready for that in your Christian life for people to say, we know how you used to live before. 1.00

01:00:52.640 Look at you now.

01:00:53.920 You're like this holy, righteous guy.

01:00:55.360 You've lost your mind.

01:00:56.840 If you're not ready for that, you're not ready for the kingdom of God, dude.

01:00:59.500 Like they did it to our Lord.

01:01:00.640 They're going to do it to us.

01:01:01.880 If you haven't experienced this, you just don't know what it's like yet.

01:01:05.160 You're going to get it.

01:01:05.920 Like if you walk this out, my childhood friends say this about me doing a podcast and I'm like, I'm not even doing anything crazy.

01:01:12.000 Yeah.

01:01:12.200 You're going to get people that come to you and they're like, bro, you've lost your mind, dude.

01:01:15.640 Yeah.

01:01:16.200 Like, like, look at, you're so serious and righteous and holy now.

01:01:18.880 Like, who are you?

01:01:20.220 So get ready for that.

01:01:21.380 If you're going to walk with God, get ready for that.

01:01:23.120 And the scribes, which came down from Jerusalem said he had to be Elzebub.

01:01:27.300 And by the prince of the devils, cast thee out devils.

01:01:30.020 And he called them unto him and said unto them in parables, how can Satan cast out Satan?

01:01:34.220 Okay, I brought this up to, sorry to pause you again.

01:01:38.440 I know this is your show.

01:01:39.300 I just don't want to go long and then we're like late on Albarino.

01:01:41.520 We're not going to be late on.

01:01:42.360 Don't worry about him.

01:01:43.640 Listen.

01:01:44.240 He's my guy, dude.

01:01:45.600 This was the specific verse that I brought up to the pastor when he was talking about second Thessalonians because he was adamant.

01:01:51.720 I see you, Abba.

01:01:52.960 You ain't wrong.

01:01:54.200 He was adamant that.

01:01:55.300 I'm not going to keep looking at the chat.

01:01:56.620 I shouldn't be doing that.

01:01:57.220 Satan was withholding himself.

01:01:59.120 Right.

01:01:59.440 And I'm like, Jesus' words are clear here.

01:02:03.280 You're with Albarino on that.

01:02:04.680 It's got to be the Archangel Michael that's the one withholding.

01:02:07.860 It's got to be.

01:02:08.440 Well, I mean, we can't get into it today.

01:02:10.420 It's either Archangel Michael.

01:02:12.200 It's either the government or the entire system itself.

01:02:17.160 Okay.

01:02:17.800 Or spiritual.

01:02:18.300 And you were making the point like, bro, you're saying Satan's restraining himself?

01:02:21.440 Come on.

01:02:21.800 That doesn't make sense.

01:02:22.620 Yeah, I just said it doesn't make any sense.

01:02:24.100 But whatever.

01:02:24.780 Yeah, that's all right.

01:02:25.280 So he called on them and said on them in parables, how can Satan cast out Satan?

01:02:29.980 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

01:02:33.340 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

01:02:36.720 And if Satan rise up against himself and be divided, he cannot stand but have an end.

01:02:41.080 No man can enter into a strong man's house and spoil his goods, except he will first bind

01:02:45.100 the strong man, and then he will spoil his house.

01:02:48.080 He's saying like, dude, the strong man, he says, no man, that's Jesus.

01:02:53.540 The man can enter into a strong man's house.

01:02:56.620 That's a human. 0.92

01:02:59.840 And spoil his goods.

01:03:01.300 I'd say that's the human heart.

01:03:02.740 The strong man that's in that house, I think in this context is a demon.

01:03:06.980 So Jesus is going to enter in to the strong man's house, which is the human with a demon 0.98

01:03:13.060 inside it.

01:03:13.960 That's a strong man holding that house now.

01:03:16.240 And spoil his goods.

01:03:17.240 That's the human heart.

01:03:18.720 Jesus is going to get in and do that, except he will first bind the strong man.

01:03:21.820 And then he will spoil his house.

01:03:25.000 So Jesus will bind that demon and then spoil his house, which is like capture that human 0.98

01:03:30.320 heart.

01:03:30.680 This is just a rad way that he paints this picture.

01:03:33.660 But he's saying like, how crazy would it be if Satan's doing that to his own demons?

01:03:37.820 Yeah.

01:03:38.380 Verily I say unto you, all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies where

01:03:42.840 whatsoever they shall blaspheme.

01:03:44.600 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost shall hath never forgiveness, but is in

01:03:49.300 danger of eternal damnation because they said he has an unclean spirit.

01:03:53.520 So that's the context.

01:03:54.960 The way the Holy Spirit was operational, they saw that and they accused the Holy Spirit of

01:03:59.920 being the devil.

01:04:01.980 He said that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

01:04:04.900 To unpack that a little more is like there, you know, he says that you could blaspheme the

01:04:10.080 son of man and be forgiven.

01:04:11.080 But if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, you can't.

01:04:12.800 There were people in that day, I'm sure, who blasphemed Jesus all the way to the cross

01:04:17.840 and then later realized he was the Messiah and repented and turned to God.

01:04:23.060 Now, the point that he's trying to make is like, if you don't repent to the Holy Spirit,

01:04:27.240 like you don't have another opportunity.

01:04:29.720 Like this is your last chance is with the Holy Spirit.

01:04:32.060 Don't assume that there's like purgatory or you're going to be able to come out of hell

01:04:36.820 or by indulgences, somebody's going to be able to buy you out of hell or purgatory or

01:04:40.820 anything like that.

01:04:41.540 If you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, that's it.

01:04:44.100 There's no redo.

01:04:45.200 There's no reset button.

01:04:46.360 This is your only chance.

01:04:47.980 It does say that they are in danger of eternal damnation.

01:04:52.860 So they're not eternally damned, but you're in danger.

01:04:56.540 He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger

01:05:01.420 of eternal damnation.

01:05:02.880 Okay, I see what you're saying.

01:05:04.020 Yeah, I don't know.

01:05:05.200 I don't know if that's either.

01:05:06.100 Well, we need to pull it up in another, probably in Matthew then.

01:05:08.500 I, uh, if we want to, what is it?

01:05:10.500 What's the other passage that talks about maybe 1929 more clear?

01:05:13.440 Yeah.

01:05:13.620 It's saying that like, uh, no, no, no, that's not, no, I'm talking about the blasphemy 0.98

01:05:19.120 of the Holy Spirit.

01:05:20.660 That's a, that's a different passage, but yeah, it makes it clear.

01:05:23.520 Like you can't do that.

01:05:24.600 And then there is an unforgivable sentence, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

01:05:27.480 He's not saying like, you're in danger of it.

01:05:29.120 Like you might not.

01:05:30.180 He's saying, no, no, like you're in danger of it.

01:05:32.740 That's it.

01:05:33.200 It's, it's this unforgivable thing to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

01:05:35.800 There's no debate over that.

01:05:37.560 Maybe, uh, Matthew makes a little bit clearer.

01:05:40.160 Yeah.

01:05:40.620 Matthew 12 31.

01:05:41.680 Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men, but

01:05:44.820 the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

01:05:48.280 And whosoever speaks a word against the son of man, it shall be forgiven him.

01:05:51.480 But whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him.

01:05:54.600 Neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

01:05:57.060 So I don't know.

01:06:00.560 Maybe you're saying there's a chance.

01:06:01.740 I'm saying there's not.

01:06:02.760 I'm saying there's definitely not a chance.

01:06:04.640 I'd say probably don't mess around with it.

01:06:06.100 I'm going to read what G. Campbell Morgan says about this.

01:06:08.360 Actually, I got it on my phone.

01:06:12.720 G. Campbell Morgan, a renowned British evangelist and Bible teacher interpreted the blasphemy

01:06:16.520 against the Holy Spirit, not as a single accidental act, but as a deliberate final state

01:06:20.840 of the heart that makes forgiveness impossible by rejecting the only means of salvation.

01:06:25.860 I just thought he could say it so much better than me.

01:06:28.860 A deliberate final state of the heart.

01:06:30.880 Yeah, he's saying it's not like this one-time thing that you accidentally do.

01:06:35.560 Do you think that homosexuality is a blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

01:06:40.780 Is that a deliberate final state?

01:06:43.240 No, no, we're going to, I'm going to get to that though.

01:06:45.480 I'm going to get to that.

01:06:46.040 We only have one passage left and hold on.

01:06:49.540 Let me read everything G. Campbell Morgan said, because I know there's a lot of stuff about

01:06:54.220 this that people are curious, and I just think G. Campbell Morgan lays it down clearly.

01:06:59.220 Interpreted the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, not as a single accidental act, but

01:07:03.440 as a deliberate final state of the heart that makes forgiveness impossible by rejecting

01:07:07.980 the only means of salvation.

01:07:09.840 His teaching on the subject emphasized several key points.

01:07:12.560 The definition of the sin.

01:07:14.120 Morgan viewed the unpardonable sin as the willful and persistent rejection of the Holy Spirit's

01:07:18.460 testimony regarding Jesus Christ.

01:07:20.220 He specifically highlighted it as the act of witnessing the manifest power of God and deliberately

01:07:25.120 attributing that work to the devil, as the Pharisees did in Matthew 12.

01:07:29.380 You know, the same thing in Mark as well.

01:07:32.460 He taught that because it is the unique role of the Holy Spirit to convict individuals of

01:07:36.440 sin and lead them to Christ.

01:07:38.640 To blaspheme or fully reject the Spirit is to shut the only door through which a person can

01:07:42.640 be brought to repentance.

01:07:43.900 That's another reason we say we're not under the law.

01:07:45.940 What the law was doing, the Holy Spirit does that now.

01:07:49.180 So it's disrespectful to the Holy Spirit to say, no, the law does the job that you're

01:07:53.000 supposed to be doing now.

01:07:54.640 He taught that because it is the unique role of the Holy Spirit to convict individuals of

01:07:58.660 sin.

01:07:59.280 That was the job of the law, was to convict you of sin.

01:08:01.880 You're never right by it.

01:08:02.900 It was supposed to convict you and show you that you were out, that you were in sin.

01:08:06.360 Well, the Holy Spirit does that now.

01:08:09.680 Because it is a unique role of the Holy Spirit to convict individuals of sin and lead them to

01:08:13.060 Christ.

01:08:13.420 To blaspheme or fully reject the Spirit is to shut the only door through which a person can be

01:08:17.380 brought to repentance.

01:08:18.160 Morgan argued that this sin is unforgivable because the individual has reached a state

01:08:24.980 of permanent hardening.

01:08:26.580 In this state, the person no longer feels the need for repentance.

01:08:30.280 Therefore, forgiveness cannot be applied.

01:08:33.280 A hallmark of Morgan's teaching, shared by many in his tradition, was that if a person

01:08:38.400 is worried they have committed the unpardonable sin, that very anxiety is evidence they have

01:08:43.580 not committed it.

01:08:44.520 I know this is going to be pre-Holy Spirit on the world, but Saul seemed to have this

01:08:52.320 affliction where God was just like, yeah, he's done.

01:08:56.000 There's really nothing he can do.

01:08:57.860 Is this the same condition you think that he's talking about?

01:09:00.560 Seems that way.

01:09:01.520 Yeah.

01:09:01.740 It seems like he got to a point of rejecting God, not boning other dudes, but rejecting

01:09:06.260 God.

01:09:06.680 He got to a certain point.

01:09:08.560 And that's why initially when the guy said this, I let him cook because there is these

01:09:13.700 passages.

01:09:14.460 God pulls Israel out of Egypt, takes them in the wilderness, and then he says, yeah, they're 0.99

01:09:19.360 past the point of repentance.

01:09:20.380 They're not going in the promised land.

01:09:21.820 They're all going to die.

01:09:22.940 I'm not sending revival.

01:09:24.560 I'm not going to reform them.

01:09:26.200 They're past the point of repentance.

01:09:27.520 That generation, except for Caleb and Joshua, is not going into the promised land. 0.88

01:09:32.180 So that's not unheard of.

01:09:33.840 Pharaoh as well.

01:09:34.360 What was unheard of to me was that because of boys with a boy or girls with a girl, that

01:09:38.300 they're past the point of repentance.

01:09:39.500 That's the only thing.

01:09:41.940 We're talking about condition of the heart, which I don't think we could really judge.

01:09:45.980 Yeah.

01:09:46.480 A heart that has truly committed this sin would be indifferent or hostile to God, not concerned

01:09:52.380 with its spiritual standing, right?

01:09:53.980 So that's anybody who's worried that they've committed the unpardonable sin and they blaspheme

01:09:58.180 the Holy Spirit.

01:09:59.360 G.K.

01:09:59.640 Morgan would say, relax.

01:10:00.640 A hallmark of Morgan's teaching was that if a person is worried they have committed the

01:10:03.920 unpardonable sin, that very anxiety is evidence they have not committed it.

01:10:08.100 A heart that has truly committed this sin would be indifferent or hostile to God, not concerned

01:10:12.580 with its spiritual standing.

01:10:15.920 He distinguished this from blasphemy against the Son of Man, which could be committed in ignorance

01:10:20.020 and later forgiven.

01:10:20.960 And from temporary lapses or denials of faith, such as Peter's denial, which are pardonable

01:10:26.140 through repentance.

01:10:27.400 So anyway, I think G.K.

01:10:28.480 Campbell Morgan lays it down.

01:10:29.660 And I know in the chat before they've asked like who I read and who I really like, G.K.

01:10:33.080 Campbell Morgan's like the top of the list.

01:10:35.020 Everybody in the back in the library, when you guys come here for Brogrove, you can check

01:10:38.420 it all out.

01:10:38.900 There's like tons of good authors back there.

01:10:40.940 But G.K. 0.56

01:10:41.460 Campbell Morgan's at the top of the list.

01:10:43.740 Now, okay, we've just set up this whole thing.

01:10:46.840 We've set up this whole thing to specifically bring it to 1 Corinthians 6, 9 through 11,

01:10:52.140 which the dude, Nate, I don't think I really know the dude, Nate.

01:10:54.820 I don't know if I've communicated with Nate, but this was like this lovely thing in the

01:10:58.280 chat was Nate brought this passage up, dude.

01:11:00.760 We didn't even have to bring it up.

01:11:02.360 As far as I'm concerned with everything we've laid down so far, the 1 Corinthians 5, we can't

01:11:07.560 have sexual perversion in the church.

01:11:09.180 Dudes can't bone their dad's wife and still be in the church. 1.00

01:11:12.080 We got to throw them out.

01:11:13.140 But once they get thrown out and they've repented, we can bring them back in.

01:11:16.720 The Romans 1 passage talks about denying God as the creator, that all of a sudden that

01:11:22.120 leads in society to an explosion of men with men and women with women.

01:11:26.840 The whole thing about the biblical definition of marriage, the whole thing about bringing 1.00

01:11:31.520 the guy back into the church, the whole thing about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

01:11:35.640 This is the very end right here.

01:11:36.980 1 Corinthians 6, 9 through 11.

01:11:38.960 Do you know the dude, Nate?

01:11:42.360 Nate Higgers.

01:11:43.760 I don't know.

01:11:44.860 Yeah, I've seen him in the chat before.

01:11:47.100 Wait, can we do this?

01:11:48.540 Because sometimes in the King James, it's hard to understand what the words are.

01:11:51.240 Maybe can we do Blue Letter Bible and just do it like the New Living Translation or something?

01:11:55.040 Yeah.

01:11:56.480 So what is this?

01:11:57.380 1 Corinthians 6, 9, 11, right?

01:11:59.160 Yeah, 1 Corinthians 6, starting in verse 9.

01:12:04.220 All right.

01:12:04.760 Just give me one second.

01:12:06.160 Sorry.

01:12:09.780 Papa Steeze knows about G. Campbell Morgan.

01:12:13.140 Oh, they be knowing.

01:12:15.680 The chat be knowing.

01:12:16.680 The chat.

01:12:17.200 I love the chat, dude.

01:12:18.180 I'm honored to be in the fight with the chat, dude.

01:12:20.360 Like, this is a cool family that we have now.

01:12:22.380 Even though, like, initially, my thing is, like, these must be crazy people just from

01:12:25.520 knowing you and the Raven.

01:12:26.300 And I'm like, if they're NDS fans, they must be crazy people.

01:12:29.360 And then, really, I'm like, wow, dude, these dudes are solid, man.

01:12:33.860 You said you wanted NLV or NIV?

01:12:36.780 No, like NLT.

01:12:38.420 We could probably read it in a couple of them.

01:12:40.240 Okay.

01:12:40.500 All right.

01:12:41.100 Let's see.

01:12:42.800 Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the kingdom of God?

01:12:46.700 Don't fool yourselves.

01:12:48.000 Those who indulge in sexual sin or who worship idols or commit adultery or are male prostitutes 0.73

01:12:55.120 or practice homosexuality. 0.76

01:12:58.420 Uh-oh.

01:12:59.160 Okay.

01:12:59.460 I guess they're out or are thieves or greedy people or drunkards or are abusive or cheat

01:13:04.520 people.

01:13:05.240 None of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

01:13:07.280 So the guy says, yeah, there you go.

01:13:08.900 Homosexuality. 0.96

01:13:09.400 They won't inherit the kingdom of God.

01:13:12.040 Some of you were once like that, but you were cleansed.

01:13:17.040 You were made holy.

01:13:18.640 You were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ by the spirit

01:13:22.700 of God.

01:13:23.140 That passage right there proves it for once and for all.

01:13:26.460 That is not a sin that you are separated from God forever because it says it right there.

01:13:33.180 Homosexuality. 0.96

01:13:34.020 Some of you were once like that.

01:13:36.520 That's what that passage says.

01:13:37.720 The dude, Nate, brought it up, man.

01:13:39.220 I love the guy, Nate.

01:13:40.260 I don't even know him.

01:13:40.980 Hopefully he comes to Brogrove and we can meet him and hang out with him.

01:13:43.540 But he brought this passage up and pinpointed this like he knew it.

01:13:47.100 He knew to go to this passage and say, no, what the dude's saying is wrong.

01:13:51.020 What he's saying is wrong because the scripture blatantly says that there's homosexuality.

01:13:55.600 Where are you at here?

01:13:56.460 Where are we going?

01:13:57.020 This is I put it on the NIV just to check out a different translation.

01:14:00.800 So or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?

01:14:03.980 Do not be deceived.

01:14:05.000 That's all of us, though.

01:14:06.160 That's a beautiful thing about this passage.

01:14:08.260 No wrongdoers will inherit the kingdom of God.

01:14:10.240 I don't care how your definition is.

01:14:11.500 We've all been wrongdoers at some point.

01:14:14.660 Do not be deceived.

01:14:16.200 Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who have sex with men,

01:14:21.580 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom

01:14:26.540 of God.

01:14:27.040 And that is what some of you were.

01:14:29.580 But you were washed.

01:14:31.140 So you were men who had sex with men, but you were washed. 0.96

01:14:34.980 You were sanctified.

01:14:35.920 You were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.

01:14:41.460 Bro, it says it right there.

01:14:43.920 Like, to me, there's no debate on that topic, man.

01:14:46.560 Now, we're not saying, like, we're pro-homosexuality in the church.

01:14:50.120 We've laid it down clearly that, like, sexual perversion has to be thrown out of the church,

01:14:54.460 man.

01:14:55.380 Biblical definition for marriage is a man with a woman and God.

01:14:59.180 That's a marriage covenant.

01:15:00.620 We're very plain on this.

01:15:01.920 Like, you can't allow that in the church.

01:15:03.960 You definitely can't have a preacher living in open, defiant sin to God.

01:15:08.240 Like, all that's heinous.

01:15:09.500 And that's what gives rise to preachers like our boy that came on last week.

01:15:12.580 Like, that's what gives rise to that, is the pendulum swings so far the other way.

01:15:16.320 Also, what that guy is missing is, like, because, again, that's why I try to, like,

01:15:21.260 be a little understanding of where they're at, because I understand the political spectrum

01:15:24.780 and how they've swung so far.

01:15:26.540 But it's not up to him to make this judgment.

01:15:31.820 Like, I also brought up the idea of, like, well, who's going to do this that you're talking

01:15:36.140 about?

01:15:36.360 The government, the same government that's, you know, hiding the Epstein files.

01:15:39.920 And it was, again, not a satisfactory answer.

01:15:41.940 But Paul said that we should kick them out of the church and let Satan tear them up.

01:15:49.340 And then you invite them back.

01:15:51.360 If they've repented.

01:15:52.720 If they've repented.

01:15:53.980 But what this guy's doing is beating them up.

01:15:56.460 And I'm like, I told him, we made a joke toward the end as well.

01:15:59.820 I said, you know, maybe take it easy on the F's, right?

01:16:02.840 Like, but I'm being serious.

01:16:04.620 Like, hey, it's not, I don't think it's our job to beat them up like that.

01:16:07.700 Well, another thing that I'm, like, super hyper aware of now, bro.

01:16:10.520 And again, I think I was talking about this.

01:16:11.840 Like, I'm in the long game, dude.

01:16:13.380 I, like, anybody who's close to me or a loved one of mine, this is a major emphasis that

01:16:17.660 I place for anybody who is close to me.

01:16:20.440 We're in the long game, dude.

01:16:21.620 We're not in the game for snippets on the shorts.

01:16:24.740 We're not in the game for, like, a bunch of views right now.

01:16:27.660 I'm, like, really aware sometimes of some of the things that, like, you guys send me or

01:16:31.340 just some of the discussions that I'm, like, involved in now.

01:16:33.720 Like, people are so wanting content.

01:16:38.340 Like, I don't know.

01:16:38.980 I feel bad.

01:16:39.680 Maybe this dude, like, that's, like, good content.

01:16:41.940 Like, that's content that's going to get them a lot of views.

01:16:44.280 And I'm just like, I don't know.

01:16:45.600 Just, like, be careful with that.

01:16:47.040 It 100% is.

01:16:47.820 Just be careful because I get it.

01:16:49.500 It's just shock and awe about you.

01:16:51.320 You're going to get more viewers.

01:16:52.740 And if that's your goal, just be careful if that's your goal.

01:16:56.020 The other pastor that he's running in the circles with is very much doing the same thing.

01:17:00.580 They're explosive.

01:17:01.880 They're doing this weird dynamic thing where they're pushing buttons.

01:17:04.580 And I get it because I've done it before.

01:17:05.860 When you're doing this in the name of God, be careful.

01:17:10.300 And especially, like, the difference that I, main difference that I have with him was the supernatural.

01:17:15.600 And I think that that's a testament to where, like, where the conversation went with the guy.

01:17:19.980 Like, he's completely ignoring the supernatural of the Bible, of what I think it clearly says there.

01:17:26.040 And then down the line, you're kind of denying the supernatural ability of Jesus Christ's forgiveness and to be able to bring people back into the fold.

01:17:35.400 So it's not a surprise that it's, like, one plus one.

01:17:37.520 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:38.020 Yeah, you're saying if you start to deny the supernatural work of God, you'll deny it across the board.

01:17:42.340 Yeah, follow it to its logical conclusion.

01:17:44.260 You end up here.

01:17:45.460 I like the guy.

01:17:47.060 I like him.

01:17:48.660 I think he's a dude that, you know, in this space that we might need.

01:17:54.680 And then we're not even really talking about, you know, his denial of Nephilim.

01:17:58.920 Like, that's not even what this was about today because, like, I thought that was going to be the main thing of the discussion.

01:18:03.160 It turned into something way crazier, like, way bigger.

01:18:06.200 Yeah.

01:18:06.520 And, like, I'm careful with that discussion because great men of God that I know and read from the back denied that Nephilim was fallen angels with humans.

01:18:15.260 Now, I don't know if in that time period these guys were maybe from the 1800s or early 1900s.

01:18:20.140 Maybe they just didn't have enough information to unpack that.

01:18:22.580 I mean, they had the word of God, but for whatever reason, they kind of had, they kind of didn't see it.

01:18:27.180 So I'm, like, careful with that.

01:18:28.640 And I'm just careful with people I disagree with, dude.

01:18:30.960 I don't want to rush into these things with people and automatically debate them and fight them and be like, no, my views are right.

01:18:37.620 Your views are wrong.

01:18:38.520 I want to hear them out.

01:18:39.540 And I think that's good for all of us.

01:18:40.840 That's how you're going to grow.

01:18:42.240 Like, if you want to be serious about the kingdom of God, you've got to hear people out that you disagree with.

01:18:46.120 Let them unpack it from scripture, and then you go unpack it from scripture after you hear they're unpacking.

Nephilim Death Squad - January 28, 2026

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