Nephilim Death Squad - Stranger Things w⧸ Wesley Roth

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00:02:39.140 Joining us today is Wes.

00:02:40.980 Wes has come back because Stranger Things has been, I mean, obviously it's the big thing right now.

00:02:47.400 The season 2 or season 5.5 wrap-up just happened.

00:02:53.900 They just ended it.

00:02:55.460 And Wes immediately hit us up and said there's a lot of strange crap, Stranger Things, as far as, you know, the meaning of it all.

00:03:03.040 And he wanted to come here and talk about it.

00:03:04.800 But before we get into that, Wes, let's just remind the audience who you are, what you do, and then we'll get into the conversation.

00:03:10.040 I am a documentarian.

00:03:13.400 I recently had a documentary come out with The Confessionals called The Metal Project.

00:03:18.280 We've got another one coming out next year that I was there for the shoot.

00:03:23.820 Not sure they've announced what that one is yet, but it was a fun time.

00:03:28.300 I will say it was about, this one's about a creature.

00:03:31.080 So less abstract and strange than the last one.

00:03:36.080 Well, still strange, but less abstract.

00:03:38.400 That is interesting.

00:03:39.000 I don't know, Wes, you were watching.

00:03:40.760 I was live earlier doing The Raven, and I brought up some footage that I thought was very exciting.

00:03:46.520 It was supposed to be Bigfoot footage, and me and the audience were highly disappointed because the sounds that were being played on that video, it was simply a moose in the rut.

00:03:56.780 This was a moose in mating season, bellowing in the forest, and we played a sound clip of a moose next to the video, and you could tell it was the exact same thing.

00:04:08.200 But it is cool.

00:04:09.200 I'm always fascinated with, I mean, you said creature.

00:04:12.400 My mind goes to Big Cryptid.

00:04:14.920 I mean, that's, you know.

00:04:15.940 I mean, my mind, we're talking about Tony here, so probably Dog Man, but we'll leave it open and be surprised with everybody.

00:04:22.660 I'm excited.

00:04:23.200 I'm excited that it's coming down the pipe.

00:04:24.420 Mothman, it's on Mothman.

00:04:28.440 I will say this one, we interviewed a person.

00:04:32.680 We stayed on a person's property for six days, and, like, so we didn't see.

00:04:38.780 I mean, we saw some things that we still haven't been able to explain, but we didn't see what this particular creature, but we did discover some, like, Scooby-Doo kind of.

00:04:51.540 Really?

00:04:52.440 Yeah, there's something going on in this town that has.

00:04:55.880 Somebody is leveraging maybe the legend of a thing?

00:04:59.260 Yes, and I don't know.

00:05:01.580 I don't know if they're going to go down that road because a particular event happened.

00:05:05.860 I'm sure that, well, no, I guess I mentioned it in the little season episode that they just did with Ed, but we had a run-in with the police while we were there, and that was hilarious.

00:05:15.680 That was hilarious.

00:05:16.740 That was one of the funniest, most tense moments of my life because Joel called this cop Mighty Mouse to his face, and I was like, listen, Mighty Mouse, and I was like, dude.

00:05:30.340 That's not a thing you want to, you don't want to, I mean, man, talk about treading on thin ice.

00:05:35.860 You start saying crazy crap to the cops like that.

00:05:38.580 Well, we had already backed them into a corner.

00:05:43.380 So he knew comfortably that he had them.

00:05:46.340 Yeah.

00:05:46.860 Well, our producer is very intelligent, like a really smart guy.

00:05:53.360 He's very successful.

00:05:54.980 He was prepped when we went in there.

00:05:58.020 I didn't know this.

00:05:58.900 I just was like, we're wandering in there, and I was like, oh, crap, we're busted.

00:06:01.900 And they're like, no, we got this.

00:06:03.960 And I was like, okay.

00:06:05.720 But there were some things said.

00:06:07.460 I don't know if they're going to go down that narrative path.

00:06:11.960 I brought it up, and I was like, dude, there's something illegal happening here.

00:06:17.260 That's interesting.

00:06:18.460 I mean, in the context of Scooby-Doo, it sucks when it's not a real person.

00:06:23.040 But in the context of real life, to find out that anybody might be pulling some shenanigans

00:06:27.080 and using maybe some local lore, a cryptid, perhaps.

00:06:31.400 I like the idea of Joel, Tony, and Wes standing behind this guy, and they pull his mask off.

00:06:38.180 Actually, it was the farmer.

00:06:42.760 He's protecting his office.

00:06:44.060 I like that.

00:06:44.760 It's always real estate, right?

00:06:46.000 And this was a real estate thing that I'm...

00:06:49.440 Okay, listen, we're going to get Wes fired.

00:06:51.600 He's giving away too much.

00:06:52.900 Don't talk about it anymore.

00:06:54.720 So, all right.

00:06:55.860 We're here to talk about Stranger Things, and I got to get a couple of things out of the way first.

00:07:01.700 I have not finished the last episode and a half, which apparently is pretty substantial

00:07:05.420 because the last episode is like two hours long.

00:07:07.440 So, I've not seen an entire feature film, basically, worth of Stranger Things.

00:07:12.480 Nice.

00:07:13.580 The film...

00:07:14.660 I mean, the entire series is one that is parallel.

00:07:18.640 It's conspiracy realism adjacent, right?

00:07:21.320 It's always right alongside actual intelligence agency operations and supposed real events.

00:07:28.080 I mean, I remember the first season talking about MKUltra.

00:07:31.180 My wife showed me a TikTok the other day.

00:07:33.600 I don't think this is true, but apparently in the background of the first season,

00:07:37.440 they show an image of a woman that they think is Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:07:43.500 And I looked at it and I said, I don't think that's actually her, but it does look pretty close.

00:07:46.860 But that's the lore of Stranger Things is that it's reality adjacent.

00:07:52.060 It's right alongside the true things that have happened that have been obfuscated from the public.

00:07:56.160 And I got to be honest, first season was fantastic.

00:08:00.480 Second season was still really good.

00:08:02.620 It's been a steady decline ever since.

00:08:04.820 And I've gotten to this last season, dude.

00:08:06.780 And these kids, they're now teenagers, adults.

00:08:09.960 I don't know how old they are.

00:08:11.220 They suck at acting.

00:08:12.300 They've done a thing masterfully.

00:08:14.640 Netflix does this thing with like Cobra Kai where they create this nostalgic program that you want to watch.

00:08:20.140 And it's fun and it's quirky.

00:08:21.240 And it has this like tinge of something underneath it that you want to keep on digging for.

00:08:26.640 After about season two, they completely give up on trying.

00:08:30.360 But I'm still in because I'm like, all right, just finish the story.

00:08:33.780 That's the kind of guy I am.

00:08:34.820 Yeah, finish the story.

00:08:35.700 I was there.

00:08:37.400 I was going to finish the story, but we watched.

00:08:40.960 You know how gay something has to be for you to go, I'm not going to finish this story.

00:08:44.640 I mean, it's not crossed that line yet.

00:08:47.860 But another thing that I did notice is something about these starry-eyed little children and this fascinating story, because it is a fascinating story.

00:08:56.520 We're talking like the Montauk Project.

00:08:59.020 It parallels a lot of our work.

00:09:01.360 You're inducing states of disassociation through trauma.

00:09:04.680 And that trauma, that disassociation is the key to unlocking a litany of like psychic abilities, portal openings, things of that nature, communication with the spiritual realm or the upside down, which I know I've seen what the upside down becomes.

00:09:20.520 But these kids that had so much promise, they all grew up to be hideous.

00:09:28.140 I mean, every single one of these kids is the most awful looking kid I've ever seen in my life.

00:09:34.760 The most attractive person in the film series or in the show is Winona Ryder.

00:09:38.740 And then outside of that, these are all living walking goblins.

00:09:44.720 Horrifying.

00:09:45.380 As I live and breathe.

00:09:46.380 As I live and breathe, these are some of the ugliest individuals.

00:09:50.140 And I just wanted to get that because I knew that that was going to be something we tapped on.

00:09:52.980 I want to get that out of the way early.

00:09:54.200 Is that something that we were going to talk about?

00:09:55.580 I anticipated it because I felt in my heart of hearts that I was going to bring it up.

00:09:59.760 Very ugly.

00:10:00.920 Very ugly kids.

00:10:02.660 Just like prophecy.

00:10:04.480 This little girl, Eleven, has pumped her face full of so much filler that her face doesn't move anymore.

00:10:13.880 It doesn't, it doesn't emote.

00:10:15.860 Is that the problem?

00:10:16.520 That's what's happening.

00:10:17.360 Did you not notice that she bears striking resemblance to like Joan Rivers or a multitude of other cat-faced celebrity women, Hollywood elite?

00:10:26.140 All of these kids, I can't even look at Dustin.

00:10:29.800 He is so ugly, he fills my heart with hatred.

00:10:32.660 Okay, so he has a problem.

00:10:34.440 He's got like a legitimate issue, right?

00:10:35.840 Yeah, he's got a problem.

00:10:36.780 He's giving me a problem.

00:10:37.520 I got a problem looking at him.

00:10:39.200 He is crazy.

00:10:40.500 He's got something about like the structure.

00:10:42.420 I don't know what it is, but like the structural mouth retardation.

00:10:46.120 Yeah, something about his jaw is not developed, right?

00:10:48.480 That's like his thing.

00:10:50.260 Yeah, he's got, he has some sort of like congenital disorder.

00:10:55.780 He's like, actually, well, don't put him on screen because I can't look at him.

00:11:01.500 I will say out of all of them, uh, Gaten Matarazzo, uh, Dustin is the best actor of the kids.

00:11:12.260 Yeah, I'll give you that.

00:11:13.860 He's the best actor.

00:11:15.280 Um, and this isn't a racial thing, but the black kid is the worst actor.

00:11:19.400 He is the worst actor in my opinion.

00:11:21.340 Will Byers is the worst actor by far.

00:11:24.020 Will is the.

00:11:25.000 Uh, no, I disagree.

00:11:26.040 I'd say the main character, uh, the kid with the really long nose, Mike, Mike.

00:11:31.500 Yeah.

00:11:31.640 Mike, this guy in the middle, but I think that.

00:11:34.060 So again, off to the side, off to the side is, is no, this, this one right in the middle

00:11:37.660 right there.

00:11:38.340 I forget which one's will and which one's Mike.

00:11:40.060 You know what it is about?

00:11:40.980 Will it's, it's actually not that he's a bad actor.

00:11:43.100 It's that I think he has the least charisma of all the actors.

00:11:47.120 Yes.

00:11:47.760 Like, you know, Keanu is not a great actor, but he's brimming with charisma.

00:11:51.980 That's the same for Mike.

00:11:53.100 I don't think he's a great actor, but he had like, he has an energy and will's energy is

00:11:58.580 like, this is my first time in a school play type.

00:12:00.960 And yes, well, so here's the thing is he's so soft spoken and he's, he's like, got a

00:12:07.160 really, his voice is tenor, but it's like very low frequency.

00:12:10.360 So I can't listen to him when he talks.

00:12:12.480 It ups, everything about it upsets me.

00:12:14.300 He's got a gay Dracula.

00:12:16.520 They're all very likable, but he's just not like, you know, uh, mag, like an eye magnet,

00:12:23.980 you know, he's not.

00:12:24.600 Well, I would say I deviate from you tremendously on that point.

00:12:27.360 None of these kids are likable.

00:12:28.520 Well, no, here's the thing though, I think this adds to the conspiracy of whatever stranger

00:12:32.720 things is this show is developed on purpose.

00:12:35.900 I think for these guys to act poorly.

00:12:39.520 Oh, a lot of these kids, they've had years now.

00:12:41.620 It's been probably like a decade that they've been doing this show or something.

00:12:44.600 Yeah.

00:12:44.620 Mike was in Ghostbusters.

00:12:46.980 You had time to develop and take classes, but they, and I think they did.

00:12:50.740 I think they developed, I think they took classes and I think they got better.

00:12:53.420 But the point of this show is not to be better.

00:12:56.940 It's not, it's not, it's not to have like good acting.

00:12:59.820 Okay.

00:13:00.280 And I think that that contributes to like the message of the show overall, which is,

00:13:05.620 yeah, which is like this very, uh, intense message about MK ultra.

00:13:12.240 I mean, there's BF and kids.

00:13:14.140 I don't think that's the message personally.

00:13:16.480 I think that's the dressing to give you a worse message.

00:13:19.900 Um, um, I think it's, it is, um, a gateway drug for lost truthers.

00:13:30.060 Uh, I think this show, this show is speaking directly to the people that like Donnie darkened

00:13:36.420 is reaching out to, uh, the people that he's trying to like pull back.

00:13:43.160 Um, I didn't notice it at first.

00:13:45.980 Um, and then as I was watching this final season, something like a switch flipped in my head and I was like, okay,

00:13:53.340 I'm picking up on something and I may be tripping, but I'm going to continue to watch because I am a completionist and want to see where this ends.

00:14:02.360 And it just started like, um, you know what it was like?

00:14:07.220 It was like in family guy when it's like, am I being advertised to?

00:14:10.180 And the guy's like smoke.

00:14:12.060 I was like, oh yeah, I'm being advertised something here.

00:14:17.140 Um, and I don't think it's that far under the surface.

00:14:19.820 Like, I think it's, I think it's, if you notice the first thing, if you notice the first thing, then it's impossible to unsee.

00:14:27.580 And it took my enjoyment like of the rest of the series, like it just tanked it.

00:14:34.540 Cause I kind of like the hokeyness of this show.

00:14:37.620 I kind of like how it's, it's kind of, uh, it's like mixing like that age folksy and, and charm with the like modern cynicism.

00:14:47.240 Right.

00:14:47.580 And I was like, oh, this is interesting.

00:14:48.880 I thought it was well-paced.

00:14:50.080 I thought in this final season, the writing was extremely subject as far as just what they had the characters say.

00:14:58.540 Cause it was like, let me, let me catch you up audience constantly.

00:15:01.720 It was like, you know, like, oh, like lots of plans, lots of explaining what just happened.

00:15:06.900 And I was like, okay, this is getting hard to watch.

00:15:08.860 And then you get a moment of like, you know, like the, the, the moments of just, um, like the emotional relationships, all that stuff.

00:15:19.040 Take out all of the, what I'm about to present.

00:15:20.840 If you strip that all out and pretend it's not there, I like the bones of what this show is.

00:15:25.700 I enjoy it.

00:15:26.360 Just like you said, with the first season, it's like, it's a cool concept.

00:15:29.540 Well, it's cool.

00:15:30.100 We'll strip the concept out.

00:15:31.340 Just the, like the kids, the, the, the nerds versus the, you know, all of that, like that eighties Stephen King kind of, yes, I like all that.

00:15:41.540 And like their friend, all of these elements.

00:15:45.080 Well, hold on West, before we go to whatever you're saying, um, let's, let's maybe like a little bit unpack for the audience who may not even be familiar with stranger things, or if they are, they don't see the, what you're calling a surface layer, um, sort of conspiracy.

00:16:01.780 Um, what does that look like to you?

00:16:03.880 Cause we've talked a little bit about it, like these, these programs, right.

00:16:06.760 MK ultra mind control, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:09.120 Right.

00:16:09.400 Right.

00:16:09.680 So yeah, the, the series was originally pitched as under the title Montauk.

00:16:14.180 So it was going to be, uh, the Montauk project and it is, and it's updated to the eighties rather than what was it?

00:16:20.880 The sixties when the Montauk project happened.

00:16:23.080 Um, and like, I know you've, uh, well, I want to ask you something real quick before we go any further.

00:16:31.800 We're having a little bit of a disturbance here.

00:16:33.700 We're having a battle with the old people that are on the other side of this wall.

00:16:37.840 Can anybody hear Frank Sinatra playing?

00:16:40.780 No.

00:16:41.820 Okay.

00:16:42.060 It's actually really funny.

00:16:42.820 The guy, I just helped them do this.

00:16:44.500 And then they shit in my mouth.

00:16:47.240 The guy that, that I was helping out has a tattoo.

00:16:49.660 I noticed on his arm as he's like typing on his laptop, it says 6 million.

00:16:52.820 Never again.

00:16:53.260 I'm just like, I got to get the fuck out of here.

00:16:54.980 I swear to God, go out there.

00:16:56.140 That's the funniest thing.

00:16:58.340 Okay.

00:16:58.640 This is not a lie.

00:16:59.860 I, all right.

00:17:00.260 So I just wanted to make sure because we can hear it, but I didn't think you guys can hear it.

00:17:03.440 Um, but they've, they've turned their volume up as loud as they possibly can to combat us.

00:17:06.420 So I think we're just going to get louder.

00:17:07.600 Um, all right.

00:17:08.560 So please continue.

00:17:09.920 Um, I, I forget where I was now.

00:17:12.260 Uh, you were saying that, uh, this was originally going to be called Montauk and Montauk takes place in the sixties, but this, uh, you know, obviously takes place in the eighties.

00:17:20.000 Right.

00:17:20.880 Yeah.

00:17:21.220 So it, and it's, it is very much a throwback or a, um, you know, a, a nostalgia centric TV show.

00:17:29.680 There's a lot of these, you know, uh, and there always has been, there's always been, you know, happy days and, um, that kind of, uh, Oh, simpler times, the good old days type of thing.

00:17:39.400 And to its credit, it's very successful at that.

00:17:43.080 Um, but it, it isn't just that, right?

00:17:46.400 Like this isn't just a conspiracy show.

00:17:48.140 It's a show about friendship.

00:17:49.140 It's a show about family.

00:17:50.140 It's a show about togetherness.

00:17:51.440 It's a show about overcoming adversity and odds.

00:17:54.340 Good versus evil.

00:17:57.260 Um, we'll see how we feel about that in a minute, but there, and like it, it does also thread in a lot of Easter eggs for pop culture things, but it also threads in a lot of,

00:18:09.380 Easter eggs for other stuff, um, that we're going to get into.

00:18:14.180 But the essence of the show, yes, is about friendship and knowledge.

00:18:25.480 That first season, by the way, it, it, it really like they did it so well.

00:18:33.340 They captured all those elements you just talked about where it's like, there's a conspiratorial element, um, knowledge, right?

00:18:38.960 They're talking about MKUltra and this and that, all these little Easter eggs for you.

00:18:43.500 The, um, aesthetic, the entire feeling, it really did immerse you in like this 80s nostalgia kind of a thing.

00:18:51.540 And the storytelling was fantastic.

00:18:53.400 That episode in particular where they find, um, uh, Will's body, but it's not really his body.

00:19:01.040 Do you remember this is like Will Goes Missing?

00:19:02.520 A lot of the river or something, yeah.

00:19:03.620 And the music that they played, which by the way, nailed the music through the vast majority of the series.

00:19:08.680 Much of the music becomes iconic in the same way that like the soundtrack for like Guardians of the Galaxy really nailed it.

00:19:14.880 And it was able to be its own like kind of standalone soundtrack thing.

00:19:18.360 Um, they, they really did a great job.

00:19:22.560 It was emotional.

00:19:23.160 I, I found myself, even though, even when I rewatched it and it was like, you know, that Will is not that body.

00:19:29.180 It was like, they, I mean, to, they did a great job of putting you in the mindset of a bunch of kids.

00:19:34.880 One of your friend group goes missing all of the emotion and the destabilization and the chaos of it.

00:19:41.000 And then this, this, um, closure of finding the body, it was like, it was heavy, man.

00:19:47.380 They did an excellent job.

00:19:49.440 I don't think, um, I just, I wish it could be remembered that way instead of the gay mess that it's turned into.

00:19:56.960 Yeah, I, I agree.

00:19:58.800 I, and like, yeah, I don't know what to say.

00:20:03.320 It's the, it's sort of, I lost a guess.

00:20:11.000 I don't see you guys anymore.

00:20:19.120 Sorry.

00:20:19.760 We got kicked.

00:20:21.140 Sorry about that.

00:20:22.040 I don't know what's going on.

00:20:23.780 What's this minute mark?

00:20:25.360 I thought you guys went for the upside down.

00:20:27.680 No, no.

00:20:28.380 I don't know what the hell happened.

00:20:29.480 We disagree.

00:20:32.120 We're out of the show now.

00:20:33.360 Okay.

00:20:33.660 All right.

00:20:33.980 Sorry about that guys.

00:20:34.900 Uh, so, so, um, yeah, I mean, the show did a great job in its early seasons.

00:20:40.320 Uh, but you're talking about this, this element now of, um, how did you put it?

00:20:45.920 Like truth or, or information?

00:20:49.040 Truth orism and knowledge.

00:20:50.280 Um, the, so my, my thesis here is that the entire show is a repackaging of the Gnostic gospel.

00:20:59.540 Oh, that's interesting.

00:21:02.420 And there are big pieces, right?

00:21:05.660 There are big pieces where I go, Oh, that's yes.

00:21:08.760 And, but you could look at those and go, Hmm, maybe not.

00:21:12.000 And then there's the small pieces that some people would say are reaching, but those only

00:21:16.140 work to like buttress the argument.

00:21:19.400 Right.

00:21:19.760 So there's like little Easter eggs that if it was just that, I would say, even me, I

00:21:26.180 would say I'm probably reaching there, but because those big fulcrum foundational stones

00:21:33.000 are there, I, I am pretty convinced and I've tried, you know, cause I'm definitely one of

00:21:40.980 those people where even if I know something disagrees with me about very important things,

00:21:45.700 I want to give it the benefit of the doubt.

00:21:47.440 I wanted to give the show the benefit of the doubt.

00:21:49.200 And that was through Christmas, right?

00:21:52.240 Then when the final one came out, the final episode, I was like, yep, my suspicions were

00:21:59.980 not only founded, they were confirmed.

00:22:03.520 I think the finale confirmed everything that I'm thinking.

00:22:07.540 Uh, and there's things in there that are so easy to miss and that can also like, just

00:22:16.700 like the rest of the show, there's the Easter eggs could have two meetings, but the one that

00:22:21.740 I'm leaning towards, or the one that I'm picking up on, I think is the intended one.

00:22:26.740 And that the other possibility is the distraction or the, the, the surface level, um, the surface

00:22:35.380 level, uh, reference and that's part and parcel how things like Freemasonry and other sex work is

00:22:43.440 they say like, oh, this means this for you guys, but for us, it means this, you know, so everything

00:22:49.460 has, let's, can we start like, let's lay it out so that we have what the one that's given to you is

00:22:56.880 and what the one that's the underlying, let's, can we try to identify those two?

00:23:01.380 Can I, I, I'm, can I just start with the most obvious thing that's given to you?

00:23:06.360 I think we've already covered it here.

00:23:07.700 We have this eighties nostalgia, you know, music playlist sort of idea, riding your bicycle through

00:23:13.980 town and your friends.

00:23:15.900 That's, that's like the base level.

00:23:17.960 That's what kind of pulls this, this large net of people in.

00:23:21.660 It's the traffic.

00:23:23.060 So there's technically three then, right?

00:23:24.800 That's the, it might be more.

00:23:25.840 The second one is for people like me and you, right, where they're, they're pulling

00:23:30.340 in these MK ultra themes, this idea of the, the Chrome that comes in more recently, experimental

00:23:37.520 testing on children.

00:23:38.600 This, all this, all this stuff gets trauma.

00:23:40.880 Then they grabbed like the Tony Merkels with the portals and the upside down world and these

00:23:47.360 cryptids.

00:23:48.100 So like there's this, that secondary layer, which is obviously it's very obvious.

00:23:52.700 That's presented to you from season one after the first episode.

00:23:56.400 What's not so obvious though, is like, oh, that this is based in some form of reality.

00:24:00.760 So there's the entertainment aspect, but the average viewer might not realize that there

00:24:04.060 was ever government programs that explored any of these elements of what you're watching.

00:24:08.320 Yeah.

00:24:08.420 I think the hint, the way that they do hint at it though, is that when they tell you this

00:24:12.200 story, there's something that does resonate with you.

00:24:14.920 I think people do understand that like, oh, this has happened or may have, may have happened

00:24:18.700 or may happen again.

00:24:19.660 Yeah.

00:24:19.840 So that's all like surface level stuff.

00:24:23.160 Is that one of the camps West that this, that the major chunk of this is going to fall

00:24:27.400 into as far as like what you're served up?

00:24:30.600 Uh, you touched on one of them.

00:24:33.320 Um, so when I'm, I'm talking less like baseline narrative having to, well, it does have two

00:24:38.600 sides, but even the individual references or the individual plot lines, like you just talked

00:24:43.680 about the, the blood, um, I think that is a, an inversion of the blood of Christ.

00:24:54.660 That's interesting because I, I've, I've been thinking, I haven't finished it, but I'm like,

00:24:58.940 there's a thing happening here throughout the film series.

00:25:02.560 And that is that you're engaging with the demonic realm and that's pretty well accepted, but

00:25:07.820 then there's an absence of quote.

00:25:09.240 I disagree.

00:25:11.020 Interesting.

00:25:11.800 Wait, uh, that that's what you're being served up or that's what is accepted.

00:25:15.420 You, you are being, this is being presented as if it's like detached from like, um, real

00:25:23.660 world theology, but it's not, it is.

00:25:26.120 Right.

00:25:26.420 And so what I'm getting at is that it is detached in that way because there's an absence of Christ,

00:25:32.340 which I do imagine emerges.

00:25:34.920 Christ is there.

00:25:36.480 Yes.

00:25:36.980 Yes.

00:25:37.280 Okay.

00:25:37.500 That's what I was going to say.

00:25:38.200 There's an absence of Jesus Christ, but there is a Christ figure.

00:25:41.680 Um, that I think he is like, the idea is he is Jesus Christ.

00:25:45.780 In fact, there's a scene episode where they walk in and look at him and say, Jesus Christ.

00:25:52.020 Really?

00:25:52.420 And like, we have to get into that because there's still, there's still more bullshit

00:25:58.740 sprinkled on top.

00:25:59.700 The latest thing before Christmas was the gay stuff.

00:26:02.520 Yeah.

00:26:03.060 That's all.

00:26:03.880 That's all.

00:26:05.880 We'll get there.

00:26:07.040 Uh, that's all.

00:26:08.820 I got some stuff to say about it and it's, I'd probably, do you think it's like divine

00:26:12.740 feminine shit?

00:26:13.740 Well, let's, let's, let's go ahead.

00:26:16.840 Wes.

00:26:17.480 So, okay.

00:26:18.160 Well then I'll just kind of get into the like nuts and bolts so that you, this starts

00:26:24.840 to make sense as we come together.

00:26:25.880 So you've made the comment before that it's interesting that, um, 11th name is L in the

00:26:32.200 short, like L L on the more, as we got deeper into the show.

00:26:38.520 So now we know that L was created from Henry's blood, Henry being Beckna, right?

00:26:47.120 So her, his blood was given to her mom rather.

00:26:50.500 And she was born from that.

00:26:52.180 That is sort of the idea of Sophia, right?

00:26:55.020 Like Sophia, the divine feminine.

00:26:56.840 She is wisdom, but Christ is wisdom.

00:27:00.140 Um, and they're supposed to, in Gnosticism, they're sort of like twins, sort of polar opposites.

00:27:05.360 I don't know if you saw this, but I actually kind of made fun of this a little bit.

00:27:08.620 I just called it Gnosticism brain, um, because there was a big viral tweet recently where somebody

00:27:14.540 was, you know, basically laying all that out.

00:27:17.180 Oh, Sophia is the counterpart to counterpart to Christ.

00:27:20.300 And this is the, the spirit that's going to come in and, and, and basically save us,

00:27:25.520 which is this, you know, the audience knows we talk about it all the time.

00:27:29.780 We're in this era of the divine feminine.

00:27:33.360 That is like the thing that's behind the veil of the big psyop that's happening.

00:27:38.720 It's rolled into the, you know, the non-human intelligence shit that's happening.

00:27:42.980 The, the alien disclosure, uh, the galactic federation of light, all of this crap is centered

00:27:48.240 around a Sophia, Ishtar worship, the divine feminine, the goddess, uh, that is more or less

00:27:54.200 kind of summoned into being Jack Parsons, Babylon, the spirit Babylon.

00:27:58.560 I think we laid that out with, uh, Steven, a biblical hit men on this show.

00:28:02.280 And so this is, uh, this plugs into that then.

00:28:06.220 Yes.

00:28:06.980 And so I'll also say that this isn't, this show is well told for its plot and it is not

00:28:14.480 just a parable of this story.

00:28:17.220 It's using different imagery and different ideas to convey an idea, right?

00:28:22.780 So it's, it's an original plot using, you know, just like how Harry Potter or Star Wars

00:28:30.040 use like, like Star Wars uses, um, the original Star Wars uses King David, like, uh, uh, Luke

00:28:36.940 Skywalker's King David, Samuel is Obi-Wan, right?

00:28:41.380 Like there's, uh, Saul is, is Darth Vader.

00:28:44.980 It's adapted and twisted and, and, and fit, which is fine.

00:28:48.600 You know, like, that's fine.

00:28:49.480 And we retell the same stories over and over, this isn't going to be like, Hey, if you follow

00:28:53.260 the plot of whatever Gnostic group, you're going to find the plot, the stranger things.

00:28:57.300 It's not a one-to-one it's maybe a one-to-1.5, but it's, they're just pulling these elements

00:29:04.500 that are, uh, integral parts of this Gnostic leaf.

00:29:08.640 Yes.

00:29:09.480 And there's a lot, there's a lot of just, uh, signaling, right?

00:29:13.660 So one of the things that I saw a lot of people theorizing about early in it was Jonathan

00:29:19.620 is wearing a shirt that says the fall.

00:29:24.160 Oh, that's interesting.

00:29:25.300 In this season?

00:29:26.560 Uh, in this season.

00:29:27.460 Yeah.

00:29:28.220 And they took it to mean like, Oh, they're hinting that at some point he's going to fall

00:29:33.440 to his death from somewhere and there, and that didn't happen.

00:29:37.780 Um, and I think that may have been the misdirect, like they were putting those things in there

00:29:42.840 to like signal what's happening.

00:29:44.440 They're foreshadowing.

00:29:45.360 Right.

00:29:45.940 But what I did take away from it at the end is he is, you know, it says the fall.

00:29:52.920 Who do you think of with the fall?

00:29:54.780 What do you think?

00:29:55.600 If you think of Adam and Eve and his whole plot line is, will he, won't he with Nancy?

00:30:01.300 Oh yeah.

00:30:02.280 Nancy's like the love triangle with Steve, which ends up not being a thing, but by the

00:30:10.020 way, uh, hideous Jonathan is just, I mean, really a prime example of how ugly these, he's

00:30:17.620 been a haggard by drugs.

00:30:18.920 I'll say that he is just a crazy look and he looks like a, almost like a Steve Buscemi

00:30:23.540 or like the way he looks.

00:30:25.020 Do you really?

00:30:25.800 I can't stand him.

00:30:27.940 Well, I, I, I'm in that club too.

00:30:29.600 The Steve Buscemi club.

00:30:30.400 So, uh, trust me, I've constantly told on Twitter, um, there's just one guy who replies

00:30:38.500 to anything.

00:30:38.960 I tweet with a picture of Steve Buscemi and I'm like, thanks.

00:30:44.040 Um, but there, they have a, they have a scene later where he, you know, he wants to marry

00:30:48.800 her and he thinks it's going to solve their problems and they end up, he un-proposes right.

00:30:53.720 Um, while they're, while they're in the in-between, right?

00:30:59.020 Like they're in the in-between they're in.

00:31:00.820 Yeah.

00:31:01.920 Um, I thought that was a weird scene.

00:31:03.940 It was really cool.

00:31:05.100 I thought it was one of the coolest looking scenes with the goop and stuff.

00:31:07.960 Very cool.

00:31:09.200 But, and then how it just solidifies.

00:31:11.600 I was like, it was a cool scene.

00:31:12.640 There's a lot of cool ideas in the show.

00:31:14.080 I'm not going to say there's not.

00:31:14.960 Like I like the show now and like this again, um, could be a stretch, but it to me, it's

00:31:23.840 not because then there's things that are very obvious, like, okay, there's a character in

00:31:27.800 the show who is there to, uh, I mean, I guess her power is that she creates illusions, right?

00:31:37.620 Oh yeah.

00:31:39.180 Well, she, she shares the name of the goddess of illusions, Kali.

00:31:43.240 Kali.

00:31:43.760 Yeah.

00:31:44.740 Also of, of, of death and destruction, right?

00:31:47.360 Yes.

00:31:47.660 Well, Shiva is death and destruction.

00:31:49.600 Um, Kali is like the destroyer of the lie.

00:31:53.720 Like, and like reveals, liberates you from, uh, basically the prison that the world is

00:32:03.880 right.

00:32:04.420 So that's another divine feminine.

00:32:06.320 Cause it's, we find that this like goddess entity, I think it's all shares the same spirit,

00:32:11.520 but it's, um, it goes by so many different names throughout antiquity.

00:32:15.200 And, and even into modern day, you're still getting all these different names.

00:32:17.960 I'm sure there's a Pleiadian counterpart to it that you could find if you were studying

00:32:23.020 the galactic federation, you would find that there's some divine feminine goddess, protector,

00:32:28.780 creator, creature, or entity named some dumb shit, but it's the same, it's the same spirit.

00:32:34.160 And, uh, and the names do the, what am I going to say here?

00:32:40.080 The names are relevant.

00:32:41.800 Um, the big one for me, and I'll get right into this one.

00:32:44.880 Cause this was when I was like, oh no, like this one was hard for me to find.

00:32:48.600 And this could be a stretch, but I don't think it is, is, do you know Vecna's name?

00:32:54.520 Uh, Henry, Henry, Henry.

00:32:56.760 The last name, no, I don't remember creel like creel, like creel, like creel, like creel,

00:33:08.140 which is Christ in Greek.

00:33:10.380 Is it really?

00:33:11.740 Yeah.

00:33:12.780 Really?

00:33:14.140 Yeah.

00:33:14.780 Interesting.

00:33:15.320 So, so creel, but it's with, with the, with the inflection it's creel.

00:33:21.720 So you don't creel, you creel.

00:33:24.120 So Henry creel, Henry, also the middle name of Jesus.

00:33:28.140 Not really, but when people say Jesus H Christ, it's Henry.

00:33:31.080 Yes.

00:33:31.360 Yeah.

00:33:31.940 Um, and that's the, that would be the, the Demi urge character, right?

00:33:36.600 The one who creates a false reality that imprisons.

00:33:40.420 He's the vessel for the mind player, which would be the Demi urge.

00:33:45.460 Okay.

00:33:45.980 Right, right, right, right, right.

00:33:47.480 So all, I mean, it's a, it's, you know, part of,

00:33:49.900 and he imbues the characters with his spirit.

00:33:53.820 Right.

00:33:56.960 He's got this Christ like appearance to him as well.

00:33:59.480 Like not, not Christ, like, but the way that we would portray him.

00:34:02.780 Uh, well, yeah.

00:34:03.340 Like even, even in his little like lair, he's hanging.

00:34:08.600 Yeah.

00:34:09.300 Yeah.

00:34:09.860 And that's when they say Jesus Christ, he's hanging up like this and it's,

00:34:13.560 you know, it's scarier, you know, he's like, his arms are lifted up by the

00:34:18.220 like tendrils and stuff.

00:34:19.780 But I was like, come on guys.

00:34:22.700 Like, it's like, you're barely even trying to hide.

00:34:24.960 We're, we're painting a picture of this idea that, um, you should fight the

00:34:30.280 return of Christ.

00:34:31.780 Yes.

00:34:32.780 Yes.

00:34:33.340 That you're in the present planet.

00:34:34.920 Um, and it's not just that.

00:34:36.880 Well, I'll also say one other thing where I was like, okay, now you're not

00:34:39.960 even trying is when that little kid, Henry, um, he approaches a guy in a

00:34:45.420 bunker underground, like a tomb through the thing, through the hand.

00:34:52.120 Like the stigma.

00:34:52.940 I remember that.

00:34:54.240 And I was like, come on.

00:34:55.720 Cause I was literally thinking in that moment, maybe I am misreading this.

00:34:58.660 And then he gets shot through the hand.

00:34:59.640 I was like, Nope, I was right.

00:35:00.680 Like I was 100% right.

00:35:02.760 You're in the chat that, uh, it's obvious he needed 12 children, 12

00:35:07.140 disciples to impart his spirit into yes.

00:35:10.920 Yup.

00:35:11.360 And they have a last supper together, like at the table, like the last supper

00:35:14.640 scene.

00:35:15.500 Um, and what they're warning about, what they're warning about is the merging

00:35:19.800 of the worlds, the merging of heaven and earth.

00:35:22.860 And, and this is one I know David's going to love.

00:35:25.400 This is when I was like, Nope, I was dead on.

00:35:27.340 I will never doubt myself again.

00:35:29.140 Is that the way that they want to go kill him is by climbing to the top of

00:35:33.460 the tower and using it to get into the spiritual realm.

00:35:36.480 So what it's so crazy that, Oh my God, that's right.

00:35:39.680 You know what I want?

00:35:40.520 Cause I watched it and I'm just like, ah, just like, I watched it in a way

00:35:44.560 like just fucking ended.

00:35:46.000 I was just so caught up in the slop of it all.

00:35:48.260 Yeah.

00:35:48.440 I was caught up in the slop of it all.

00:35:50.660 Damn.

00:35:51.500 We, we lost in the slop.

00:35:53.020 We are lost.

00:35:53.840 And we're lost in the gay slop.

00:35:56.200 Yeah.

00:35:56.660 Oh my God.

00:35:57.940 Yeah.

00:35:58.320 They built a table of Babel.

00:35:59.900 And okay.

00:36:00.360 So, so, um, there's, there's a lot of things here.

00:36:02.940 It's like, Whoa, obviously 11, right.

00:36:06.560 L there's a divine feminine aspect to that.

00:36:09.580 And then obviously Kali, number eight, divine feminine aspect to that.

00:36:13.840 Nancy, who I see becomes Rambo, you know, who, who somehow chambers around by grabbing

00:36:20.140 the top of her M 16 doing absolutely nothing.

00:36:23.020 She takes this, um, this aggressor sort of hero, you know, uh, uh, which is once again,

00:36:30.880 divine feminine energy.

00:36:32.220 Um, but then the, the, the male character who is allowed to, you know, be a hero to any

00:36:37.720 extent is gay.

00:36:39.300 Right.

00:36:39.780 So he's got this divine feminine energy as well.

00:36:42.420 So the whole thing is just, it's like girl slop everywhere.

00:36:45.720 Well, I will say, and I'll, I'll create a defense for the Duffer brothers for wills

00:36:51.340 coming out and gay, although he was pretty gay.

00:36:53.720 He was honestly, I don't think like kids are gay, but I looked at that one and I was like,

00:36:57.460 that's a gay kid.

00:36:58.340 Yeah.

00:36:58.640 But it does track.

00:37:00.960 I mean, he was like abducted, kind of molested, uh, by Vecna.

00:37:06.400 He went through extreme trauma and then comes out of that gay.

00:37:10.660 I will also say that it's a strange admission.

00:37:13.840 Yeah, no, it's, it's a very strange admission.

00:37:16.100 It's like, they should not have admitted.

00:37:18.240 It's almost like admitting, uh, uh, you know, like more common, like a transgender

00:37:22.660 Ed Gaines and all the serial killers love to be cross dressers.

00:37:25.940 You're like, wait a second, what are you saying here?

00:37:27.600 Uh, Netflix, what's going on?

00:37:30.040 So some people watch it and they, they see a coming out story.

00:37:32.620 Some people watch it and go, Oh, they're, they're just putting gay everywhere.

00:37:35.500 I was kind of watching and going like this sort of tracks.

00:37:38.120 Yeah.

00:37:38.480 Like the people understood the psychology of the trauma behind making a child gay.

00:37:43.840 And they just played it out to its logical conclusion where like, you've broken this

00:37:47.540 child, um, psychologically now, maybe you did thin the veil a little bit.

00:37:52.560 Maybe they do share in your gift, whatever you imparted on them.

00:37:56.280 Yeah.

00:37:56.980 It's so that's what I'm reading into.

00:37:58.660 And I was like, man, that was, that was sort of well-played, but I'm looking at Jack

00:38:01.600 Posobiec say like, Oh, the gay agenda.

00:38:03.520 And I'm like, yeah, there is a gay agenda, but there's a little bit more to it.

00:38:06.880 This is more like the explanation.

00:38:08.460 The reason it just says that they understand, they just have a different appraisal of it.

00:38:15.640 Right.

00:38:15.900 Like they get, they have, they're like, Oh, but this isn't bad.

00:38:19.520 And you're like, but it's good.

00:38:20.780 I mean, clearly it is, you know, like clearly this is bad.

00:38:24.180 Um, what is happening?

00:38:25.420 And it's funny too, because it's, it's not just that he gets powers.

00:38:28.160 It's specifically that he shares in demonic powers, right?

00:38:31.840 He shares in the hive mind of the Demi.

00:38:34.120 I would say that's what we would call, or what they would call Christ consciousness

00:38:38.500 is that he is now ascended to that level.

00:38:42.520 He has a Christ consciousness.

00:38:44.480 And this is all like, even your like regular cast of kids, they're the, they're the Gnostics.

00:38:50.420 They're the ones who have the secret knowledge because they play D and D.

00:38:54.140 They, they're like, Oh, we know.

00:38:55.160 And like, they do that with the teacher, right?

00:38:56.920 They're like, what's it like now you're one of them now you're an initiate.

00:38:59.860 Now you know the truth, you know, the secret, you know, the, the, uh, the nature of the

00:39:07.660 fabric of reality.

00:39:08.960 And he's like, Oh, it's awesome.

00:39:10.680 Like, Oh, it's awesome.

00:39:12.080 I know this now.

00:39:12.980 That episode, they laid him in the coffin.

00:39:15.260 They all gathered around the coffin and that was George W. Bush.

00:39:20.380 My bad.

00:39:20.720 That's right.

00:39:21.020 Wrong guy.

00:39:21.360 Um, and then like, it all sort of got perfectly punctuated with me for when Dustin gave his

00:39:28.360 speech when he graduated, where it was just basically the fall.

00:39:33.340 It was saying, no, I reject order.

00:39:35.780 I reject authority.

00:39:37.040 I rebel.

00:39:38.460 You know, he, he is like, Dustin is the, like the Nimrod of this story.

00:39:43.500 He's the, the, the real power.

00:39:46.340 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:47.580 And, and, uh, and to them, that's like ironic, right?

00:39:51.940 Like it's, they're the good guys, right?

00:39:54.040 They're the ones fighting the great power.

00:39:55.780 Who's trying to, and there's a line where I was, man, this, this, there's a whole bunch

00:40:01.080 of like nails in the coffin.

00:40:02.700 And one of them was when Will is connected with Henry and he says, you're just like me.

00:40:08.420 You're just a man.

00:40:09.960 And he's like, he's making you do this.

00:40:11.800 And he says, no, I chose it because man is broken.

00:40:14.060 Um, I was like, that is like, they are saying like, yes, Jesus, what, like, cause there's

00:40:20.520 some Gnostics that are like, Hey, Jesus came to fight the Demiurge, but there are other

00:40:23.560 ones who are like, no, Jesus is the vessel of the Demiurge trying to like, he thinks

00:40:28.840 we're broken.

00:40:29.480 He thinks we can't do this on our own.

00:40:31.020 He's right.

00:40:31.840 So, but they're turning, they're turning that into the villain.

00:40:35.000 And like that on it, that disgusts me, uh, personally.

00:40:38.960 And, but at the same time, here's why, and here's why I said, this is like a gateway drug

00:40:44.240 or like puppy child of truth or is truthers is because like us, all three of us, I would

00:40:49.580 say, or I can confidently say are Christians who believe that Jesus Christ died for our

00:40:55.160 sins, rose from the dead so that we may live in eternity with him and that he is like truth

00:41:03.980 and love and good embodied.

00:41:05.740 That's true.

00:41:07.760 There's a lot of people in our space who are still agnostic on this.

00:41:13.100 And, and what we share with them is not that ultimate, you know, um, we don't share that

00:41:20.480 ultimate truth.

00:41:21.200 They aren't there yet.

00:41:22.520 They're looking for truth, but what we do share with them is just an inherent, an inherent,

00:41:28.940 um, lack of trust for authority except for the divine authority.

00:41:33.380 But if you don't trust the divine authority and know that the, the, uh, authority here

00:41:41.260 is not a rep, it's a representation of the principality powers of the air and the, and

00:41:45.740 the world separate from like true nature.

00:41:48.800 I can understand, like, if I was not as rooted in my faith, you could convince me that Yahweh

00:41:57.020 was the Demiurge.

00:41:58.260 Yeah.

00:41:58.380 You can keep going with that, with that thing that got you to the show in the first place,

00:42:02.680 which is a, a healthy distrust for authority.

00:42:06.120 And I think it's kind of a clever thing that the devil has pulled where it's like the authority

00:42:11.000 is obviously flawed.

00:42:12.640 So like, if you're anybody who is paying any attention whatsoever, you know, you're within

00:42:17.420 your own good senses to rebel against that, but that becomes this gift that keeps giving

00:42:21.940 and vindication is a slippery slope.

00:42:24.260 If you continue on that road, then you will follow it to its logical conclusion instead of

00:42:28.180 hitting the brakes at the divine, at the creator of the universe, at the God who made you and

00:42:33.520 loved you or loves you, um, you could blow right past that.

00:42:37.340 And especially when that you're, you know, that this is probably the huge warning that

00:42:42.400 we get to lean not on our own understanding, because what eventually happens is when that

00:42:47.120 healthy distrust for this obviously flawed leadership and, and narratives in the physical

00:42:52.420 realm serves you well, um, not only does it vindicate you, eventually it starts bearing

00:42:57.460 good fruit, not in the sense of just like knowing what's going on, but also like, let's say

00:43:03.080 you're somebody like us who's sitting here and, you know, I'm blessed enough to do this

00:43:06.640 as my full-time job.

00:43:07.900 I could, um, find an audience elsewhere.

00:43:11.460 I could find like a more conspiratorial audience who is not so concerned with God and just keep

00:43:16.880 going down this path.

00:43:18.040 And, and, you know, maybe I do get to do this as a full-time job and, and it pays me and

00:43:22.740 all this other crap.

00:43:23.400 And now it's like your own wisdom and your own understanding is the thing that you're leaning

00:43:27.580 on.

00:43:27.960 That's carving your way for you.

00:43:29.560 It's getting you accolades.

00:43:31.260 Good luck hitting the brakes on that.

00:43:32.820 I've watched so many homies, people who, who I enjoy and I love them.

00:43:36.940 You know, they're, they're just in the conspiracy soup.

00:43:40.880 And a lot of the audience knows, you know, lately we've been kind of coming to this place

00:43:44.660 where it's like, you're not going to understand everything.

00:43:48.160 And a lot of stuff in the conspiracy community is there for you to trip over.

00:43:52.060 It's a golden apple for you to bonk endlessly until it gets huge and it obstructs your walk

00:43:56.080 with Christ.

00:43:56.620 Um, and so in that way, there is a faith element where you have to give it to God and you have

00:44:02.500 to lean on God and you have to just kind of give up on trying to understand everything.

00:44:06.400 I think the opposite of that decision is digging your claws in and still sleuthing, still sifting,

00:44:14.460 still going through the ancient scrolls and all this shit until what?

00:44:17.840 Until you find something that's like, and the God of this realm is Yaldaboath, the Demiurge.

00:44:23.060 He's actually imprisoned you here and everything is set up.

00:44:26.740 It's a trap for the intellect, not the intellectual, but the critical thinker and the healthy skeptic

00:44:30.940 to eventually have their own intellect, lead them to rebelling on against God, lead them

00:44:37.340 to doing the exact thing that the fallen did.

00:44:39.540 The fall, it is the fall.

00:44:41.320 It's the shirt.

00:44:42.220 It's the fall.

00:44:42.860 It's you want the knowledge.

00:44:44.640 You understand it.

00:44:46.240 You, you can do this on your own.

00:44:48.060 And that's all this show is, is, and like, there's, okay, there it's like you said, there's

00:44:55.420 a line right to where all of these things are true.

00:44:59.380 A healthy distrust of authority on earth is good.

00:45:03.060 Yeah.

00:45:03.620 Believing in yourself on earth is good.

00:45:06.100 Like self-esteem is good.

00:45:07.600 Believing that you're not less than the person next to you.

00:45:10.520 Like, and not, and not more than right.

00:45:13.840 Like that's sort of like, that's why Gnostics can twist the words of Christ.

00:45:17.280 So well, is that there are elements of truth to what they're saying, just like the things

00:45:22.860 that, you know, the, the fallen angels or the, the watchers or whatever taught me in

00:45:26.660 kind, those things aren't inherently evil.

00:45:28.800 It's their use that is evil, right?

00:45:30.700 It's just like money is not evil.

00:45:31.900 It's how are you using your money?

00:45:33.140 Do you lust for it?

00:45:34.620 Do you, it's not money's not evil.

00:45:36.260 The love of money is evil.

00:45:37.920 So ancient teachings aren't inherently evil.

00:45:40.500 It's the love of this coveted information that elevates you above your brothers and gives you

00:45:45.920 this, you know, this position in mankind where now you are, it's you, it's self-worship.

00:45:51.180 That's what happens if you get self-worship.

00:45:52.820 It's the same thing money does.

00:45:53.820 It's like, look at my, look at everything that I have.

00:45:56.120 Look at how decadent I am.

00:45:57.620 Look at my life.

00:45:58.340 Look at all the materialistic things that look at me, me, me, me.

00:46:01.720 And what money has given me that call it's the, it's the love of self that eventually

00:46:05.640 emerges from it.

00:46:07.040 Yes.

00:46:07.240 Yeah.

00:46:08.040 And, and it's, you know, we are humans.

00:46:10.860 So therefore we have like this horribly dualistic nature to where we look for a God, but we

00:46:18.920 abhor a leader kind of thing because there's only, and I think that's because there's only

00:46:22.860 one true leader, right?

00:46:23.720 There's only one perfect leader and like even governments and kingdoms and all of those

00:46:28.800 things are on earth are reflections of the relationship we're supposed to have with

00:46:32.580 God, but they always fall short.

00:46:34.760 Dave falls short.

00:46:35.420 Solomon falls short.

00:46:36.300 Saul falls short.

00:46:36.940 They all fall short.

00:46:39.440 And like that, but that can be misconstrued in your mind to that.

00:46:44.820 Just authority is, is wrong.

00:46:47.580 I mean, this is the same thing with like libertarianism, right?

00:46:49.640 It's like, it's all about the democratization of like power and strength.

00:46:52.800 And, and that is in its sense, like I'm pretty sure top has said before, if you extrapolate

00:46:59.300 that to cosmology, it's just, you know, Luciferianism, it's just like.

00:47:07.140 It's the whole idea.

00:47:08.900 Yeah.

00:47:09.260 It's do what thou well.

00:47:10.020 It's, it's, I am my own.

00:47:13.100 Like I'm the, I'm the main character of my own story.

00:47:15.040 I'm the God of my own consciousness.

00:47:16.200 I'm, I'm all of these things.

00:47:18.520 I, I will be like, God will be like the most high and, and control the things around me.

00:47:24.440 And that's what like alchemy and magic and all these things are meant to make you believe

00:47:27.880 is that you can control the, the fabric of reality.

00:47:31.740 You can bend it to your will.

00:47:33.060 And that is not your role.

00:47:34.980 Um, and I think that part of it, you know, in this series too, is like, you know, um,

00:47:41.100 you can do it right.

00:47:41.980 Like you're saying, like you can, uh, control this and you can fix it and you can win and

00:47:46.080 you don't need God.

00:47:47.760 And what they've done is they've taken, you know, pretty unlikable.

00:47:52.600 I mean, I guess I'm the only one that dislikes them, whatever.

00:47:54.680 It's actually really great.

00:47:55.660 Like, sorry.

00:47:56.140 At the end, his shirt says hellfire lives.

00:48:00.420 There you go.

00:48:01.680 That's exactly what little on the nose.

00:48:04.100 Yeah.

00:48:04.200 That's exactly what they're getting at, at, at the very end of the show.

00:48:07.180 It's it.

00:48:07.660 It's the rebellion.

00:48:08.360 Like you, you've reached this level of Gnosticism of knowing.

00:48:11.960 Yeah.

00:48:12.400 And you have the cap of Saturn or whatever, you know?

00:48:14.800 Yeah.

00:48:14.980 But they have the, you still have the choice to like, uh, submit in a way.

00:48:19.820 And that's, this is the brilliant part of that.

00:48:21.820 The brilliant part about that is the average person watching feels like he's using the

00:48:27.520 hellfire lives as an example for the nuts and bolts plot.

00:48:32.460 But the plot is the example of what the shirt says.

00:48:37.500 Hmm.

00:48:38.360 So the truth, the true message is what the shirt says, right?

00:48:43.180 The true message, like, this isn't like, this is very well done.

00:48:46.480 This is not, nobody's watching this and going, going, you know what?

00:48:51.320 I think Jesus is the bad guy.

00:48:53.720 No, no, no, no.

00:48:54.580 They, they are watching it and it's just slightly tilting the consciousness, slightly tilting the,

00:49:03.240 the thought process away, just slightly away.

00:49:07.220 Just so that when something like, so when that it's not even that you think Jesus is the bad

00:49:13.140 guy, like your average person.

00:49:14.640 It's so that when you encounter some people like us, they're like, oh, you guys are the

00:49:19.140 bad guys because you represent the, what the principle represents the order, putting people

00:49:24.460 into categories, um, control, um, inhibition, all of these things that, that limit us.

00:49:32.800 Like that, that's a one-to-one, like that's exactly what Gnostics teach, but that's exactly

00:49:39.600 what the world teaches you too.

00:49:40.920 It's like, yeah, who you are, love wins that like love over hate, all these things, misconstruing

00:49:47.320 what hate actually is.

00:49:49.120 Um, and what, and like, this is, you know, evil will become good and good will become evil.

00:49:54.400 Um, in the end, but it is all about like the, if you stripped these things out from the

00:50:02.880 show, the like, uh, esoteric stuff.

00:50:06.080 And it was just about like kids and it was just a, not a supernatural show, not a sci-fi

00:50:10.740 show at all.

00:50:11.200 And it was about these kids who are bullied.

00:50:13.260 They play games.

00:50:14.800 It's fine.

00:50:15.960 That's fine.

00:50:17.240 But that is being used as the like comfort, uh, the vehicle.

00:50:24.280 Yeah.

00:50:24.460 To send these larger thoughts.

00:50:26.420 And that like, I mean, that's obvious.

00:50:29.320 And what, like I said earlier, it's conspiracy or a truth or, um, gateway drug.

00:50:34.080 That's why it uses the, like the MK ultra.

00:50:36.360 And also it's very, very convenient.

00:50:38.900 Cause how else would you tell the blood kind of like allegor?

00:50:42.500 Or how'd you get these like deep cuts in there without that?

00:50:45.520 Um, but it, it, it's not to, you know, it's not like, uh, like this isn't satanic panic

00:50:54.180 necessarily of like, they're out there saying like, Hey, the devil's the good guy.

00:50:58.160 Like that's the show very cleverly avoided that.

00:51:01.520 It makes you think that the devil's the bad guy.

00:51:04.200 It makes you believe that you're, that Vecna is the devil.

00:51:07.560 But what the, the thing he's actually representing is an inversion of the gospel.

00:51:12.940 It is just an inverted gospel of Christ.

00:51:15.820 Didn't come here and die for your sins so that you may live.

00:51:19.360 He very abstractly died so that he can turn you into a version of him and you'll be a

00:51:28.340 slave, which if you think about it, that is kind of the message.

00:51:32.200 Like you are meant to become a Christian, which means a little Christ.

00:51:35.800 Like you are meant to be washed in his blood.

00:51:39.160 You are meant to have the Holy spirit, uh, imbibe you and change you and, and like distract,

00:51:46.980 not distract you, but, but push you away from your sin nature where this is saying that,

00:51:52.620 no, the chaos, like he literally says, I reject order.

00:51:55.860 I choose chaos in his speech and chaos isn't, you know, just like craziness.

00:52:02.180 It's the absence of God.

00:52:04.120 Yeah.

00:52:04.660 That's what chaos is.

00:52:05.660 He's choosing a world without God.

00:52:08.040 And in a way the, so to be a Christian, the great commission is, uh, like if you are a

00:52:14.360 child that's in Vecna's lair and you're within this, you know, it's like this, uh, hive mind.

00:52:20.080 Like that's kind of what a Christian Christians are supposed to sort of be uniformed and moving

00:52:26.000 in a direction in order to bring heaven on earth.

00:52:29.400 Like this is kind of what we're doing.

00:52:31.380 So like we're bringing down this new Jerusalem in this, in this way where we're, where we're

00:52:36.200 all tied in.

00:52:38.240 And that's what the show was doing was bringing down dimension X or the abyss.

00:52:42.000 They called it the abyss to merge with earth.

00:52:44.660 And they're like, no, but that's a bad thing.

00:52:46.380 And in the context of the show, it is a bad thing.

00:52:48.380 Like that it's a hell, it's not the abyss.

00:52:50.640 It's, it's, it's heaven.

00:52:52.940 But this is a lie.

00:52:53.800 This is the lie that we're going to be talking about with, with Timothy Albarino in it, in

00:52:58.800 a way about the, the deception, like the great deception, the alien deception specifically.

00:53:03.900 And when that, when, when that thing that is floating above and it's there and you finally

00:53:10.460 do notice it, it is interesting, right?

00:53:12.220 That it's, it's like there, but there is a veil, but it's always there.

00:53:16.680 And as it comes down, then we'll wage war on it.

00:53:21.640 Yeah.

00:53:21.960 This kind of reminds me a little bit of, I have to point out that he has Demogorgons and

00:53:25.620 they're basically angels.

00:53:27.780 Yeah.

00:53:28.100 I was just thinking like, it would be interesting to do an AI, uh, an AI version of like the

00:53:32.720 Demogorgon, but he's like, he's an angelic creature and he's just trying to help the mom

00:53:36.060 and she's running, screaming through the kitchen.

00:53:38.640 Yeah.

00:53:39.060 It's like, wait, wait, wait.

00:53:39.740 I'm just trying to tell you, they did a similar thing though, with, um, with the Marvel films,

00:53:47.140 because there is some element of Thanos that is, you know, you could kind of call it like

00:53:53.380 the rapture that happens when the snap goes off and the people just vanish and all this

00:53:58.620 other stuff.

00:53:59.120 And, you know, Thanos is, he's kind of playing this God character, but portrayed in the most

00:54:04.780 ungracious way.

00:54:06.140 He is like this big evil tyrant and the heroes, you know, stand against him.

00:54:12.560 Yeah.

00:54:12.800 So, and, and then of course, among those heroes is, uh, you know, a fallen angel like Thor.

00:54:18.180 Uh, so it's like, there is this element over and over again, stranger things is just the

00:54:24.060 newest rendition of that.

00:54:25.220 But this is a story that's told over and over again, where it's like by their own power,

00:54:29.880 by the way, you have a ragtag group that pulls it off by their own power.

00:54:34.340 They're all severely flawed too, which I don't think is, is an accident.

00:54:37.960 You know, they do it in stranger things to the degree that you might, um, none of these

00:54:43.220 characters escape relatability.

00:54:45.920 They're all such schmucks and they're all so broken and they're also ugly, uh, that, you

00:54:51.180 know, they're not like these perfect people who are doing a thing that's, you know,

00:54:55.580 let's say the Avengers, for example, um, if they didn't humanize them to such a degree,

00:55:00.880 meaning the character flaws of Iron Man or the character flaws of Thor or whatever, they

00:55:04.540 would be unrelatable because they are super geniuses and, and superheroes and everything.

00:55:09.460 So they need this relatable characteristic, um, for you to kind of see some element of yourself

00:55:14.220 in with stranger things.

00:55:15.560 They tore that all down.

00:55:17.180 None of them have any kind of superpowers.

00:55:19.060 They're all, they just have secret knowledge, which is a thing that is within the grasp

00:55:25.880 of every human being.

00:55:27.340 All that it takes is just research.

00:55:28.680 Right.

00:55:29.480 Um, but it's that story again, where it's like, there is some God that is painted as the

00:55:36.560 bad guy.

00:55:37.240 And this ragtag group of misfits manages to rise up by their own strength, you know, uh,

00:55:44.260 not through the, the grace of God or anything like that.

00:55:47.400 And, you know, cast off whatever this, this overwhelming power has in store for them, which

00:55:52.700 might be, uh, either rapturing them or bringing about the great tribulation.

00:55:58.380 Well, no, this is the exact opposite of revelation 29.

00:56:02.120 This is what I've been talking about, uh, that they went up on the breadth of the earth

00:56:05.080 and compassed the camp of the saints.

00:56:06.620 So the camp of the saints would be that like vectus, vectus layer and the breadth of the

00:56:11.300 earth, in my opinion, what the Bible is talking about is new Jerusalem, which is like this thing

00:56:16.340 that's above them.

00:56:17.420 So these guys go up when they're ready to make war on it.

00:56:20.160 After Jesus is a thousand years, thousand year reign and Satan is loose, they go up.

00:56:25.220 So that's soon, right?

00:56:26.000 Because we're, I mean, whatever.

00:56:27.520 He's loosed right now and they go up small season, they do war on the camp of the saints

00:56:32.500 and then God, God kills them.

00:56:34.180 He just mercs everybody with fire.

00:56:36.000 Um, but this, this, this show tells a different story.

00:56:39.600 They go up and they're victorious within the camp of the saints.

00:56:43.820 I guess the 12, the 12 kids who are bringing it's so bizarre.

00:56:47.960 Yeah.

00:56:48.200 It's a complete inversion.

00:56:49.860 Yep.

00:56:51.080 Yeah.

00:56:51.480 And there's even like, this was like a little, like I said, there's a lot of like little

00:56:55.820 buttresses and one of them was when he takes his saints, when he takes his disciples, he

00:57:00.520 puts them in his father's house with all the many rooms.

00:57:03.620 Yeah.

00:57:03.880 And I was like, Whoa, like he made a place for them.

00:57:07.900 And it's all about like, Hey, I'm going to, I want to save your families, but some of

00:57:12.560 them just don't believe some of them just don't, they're, they're not going to understand.

00:57:17.460 And the monsters are coming for them that like, it is very like, uh, um, patronizing

00:57:24.640 and, uh, to like the evangelical crowd.

00:57:28.020 And it's very like belittling of like, look how dumb you are.

00:57:31.040 You think that like, uh, this guy is the good guy.

00:57:34.860 Like it's right in your face.

00:57:36.740 And here's the thing.

00:57:37.720 I don't know if the Duffer brothers know it.

00:57:40.380 I'm not convinced they do.

00:57:41.800 I don't think they do.

00:57:43.100 Like, I'm sure that they're familiar with Gnosticism.

00:57:45.560 They're clearly familiar with like Stephen King, who's very familiar with Gnosticism, but

00:57:49.980 I don't know.

00:57:51.200 You know, there's a lot of in our space, there's a lot of like, Oh, the elites did this on purpose.

00:57:55.260 I don't think half of them know when they make these movies, they don't know.

00:57:59.460 They just had an idea come to them and they're like, Whoa, this is a really cool idea.

00:58:02.660 Now, wherever that idea came from, that person, that entity knows, there's a creative idea

00:58:12.620 came from somewhere.

00:58:13.520 You think about the writing room as well?

00:58:15.260 Like they, so you have the idea initially oracles together.

00:58:19.600 It's not even oracles, but like, this is how it goes.

00:58:22.120 Like when we're doing Tower Gang, Tower Gang was just a writing room and you go in, you

00:58:26.420 have this initial idea of racism, whatever it may be.

00:58:28.900 And then everybody's bouncing off each other, but Jose's on mushrooms and Clint is gay and

00:58:35.220 I'm high and Cole's drunk and Toad's retarded.

00:58:38.620 And it's like, so now we're like, you're chat.

00:58:41.300 We're like channeling all this stuff.

00:58:42.800 And we're just, and whatever's added into this now is like, these are not even our ideas.

00:58:46.940 Correct.

00:58:47.260 The initial premise wasn't even our idea, but it was handed to us.

00:58:51.460 And then they're like, now we're going to spin the web.

00:58:53.400 And that's what I think that's what happens on these shows a lot because there's no way

00:58:57.500 they entered season one saying, we're going to tell that story.

00:59:00.580 Oh yeah.

00:59:01.340 They entered season one with a, with a concept that did really well.

00:59:04.280 They got greenlit for season two and then they're like, fuck, we better figure this out.

00:59:07.120 You know?

00:59:07.380 And then whatever they had outlined for season two, maybe even three, they certainly didn't

00:59:11.680 have all of this for.

00:59:13.560 I don't even think that like, there was no hint of Vecna at all.

00:59:18.980 Like it was, or the mind flayer in the first one, it was just like, uh, like it just, it

00:59:25.000 compound on each other.

00:59:25.880 And you're like, oh, we've spun a real thing here.

00:59:28.920 Compound each other.

00:59:29.820 Yeah.

00:59:34.340 But yeah, like it, it is very like, to me, it's very obvious that they did not have this

00:59:39.620 for thought in season one.

00:59:40.880 And, uh, it seemed like they even tried to go like an X-Men route in season two, right?

00:59:45.420 Like they were going to do a spinoff show with the other kids.

00:59:47.160 I really didn't like that.

00:59:47.920 That was where they introduced like Kali and the rest of the, I really did not like that.

00:59:53.160 It reminded me of that movie from the Harry Potter series where, um, I think it was like

01:00:00.760 the goblet of fire where they were all like kind of teenagers and angsty.

01:00:04.940 And it was like the worst, you know, entry into the film series because it just injected

01:00:09.300 whatever, like Hollywood thinks being an angsty teenager is, which is just nothing but cliches

01:00:15.700 and cringy shit.

01:00:17.300 But what is interesting to me is given all these Gnostic elements, um,

01:00:21.360 before you go ahead and enter that, um, again, just like another correlation to Jesus, which

01:00:27.220 may or may not fit, but, uh, uh, what's his name?

01:00:32.080 Vecna or, uh, Henry, Henry.

01:00:35.580 He's tempted.

01:00:36.500 He is tempted by this thing in the desert.

01:00:38.720 Like when, before he goes into that hole, that's like a desert setting.

01:00:42.120 Then he goes into the hole and the guy tells him basically like, yeah, don't touch that.

01:00:45.120 And he picks it up anyway.

01:00:46.180 And that's kind of where he accepts the deal with that, that picture of the hand that I'm

01:00:50.460 showing you.

01:00:50.880 So just another probably, I didn't see that one.

01:00:54.900 I thought of that.

01:00:55.660 Like, I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong at all, like a hundred percent, but I also saw

01:00:59.560 that like he literally went underground and came out renewed, like a resurrection.

01:01:05.500 Um, and you know, and obviously we saw the over and over and over him confronting the mind

01:01:10.480 flare in dimension X and being transformed into the new body.

01:01:14.820 And like his spiritual power come coming to be, which like, I would say that's like our

01:01:22.220 understanding of what Jesus is, is different from the, the perspective of whatever Gnostic

01:01:26.860 group, obviously, but there's more as like, oh, this was a guy who was chosen as a vessel.

01:01:32.280 Whereas we see it the opposite.

01:01:34.200 He is preexisting became man.

01:01:37.760 And they're more like, no, no, no.

01:01:39.120 This was a guy who, who made a deal with the elder Boath and became this spiritual vessel,

01:01:43.980 um, which, and chose it, right?

01:01:46.960 Like he chose that, um, rather than being like the embodiment of a just and loving God on

01:01:53.400 earth who died for your, for your benefit.

01:01:56.020 Like, uh, and yes, receives a throne for it, receives the deed, but it, so it's not like

01:02:05.600 there, there's a point to their side of saying like, oh, like he did this, therefore he becomes

01:02:11.100 this, like there's that, that doesn't get it.

01:02:14.340 If you look at all these, all these, uh, lowercase G gods, they do incarnate in avatars, right?

01:02:21.080 All these people oftentimes will willingly strike deals with them, allow themselves to

01:02:25.760 be possessed for, for lack of a better term.

01:02:28.340 But I think it's a pretty damn good term.

01:02:30.480 Um, and in some instances, you know, I believe they probably do go through these ceremonies

01:02:35.440 where they can either cause the spirit of a person to disassociate to such a degree that

01:02:40.520 it's really way in the background and something else takes form or you could empty a vessel.

01:02:44.920 I don't know, but I think that's where people look at reincarnation and they go, I think

01:02:49.280 there's something there is like, you could reincarnate, not people, I don't think, but

01:02:54.920 these spirits, these lowercase G gods, these things that exist in this realm can incarnate

01:03:00.280 into a human vessel.

01:03:02.120 And then that human will eventually expire.

01:03:03.900 And that spirit will make attempts throughout history to come back in some way, shape or

01:03:07.840 form, right?

01:03:08.440 Nimrod's resurrection chamber, the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh, whatever.

01:03:11.920 Um, but that's not for human beings.

01:03:14.400 I think there's a, there's a combo, but you could see like, oh, there's something there.

01:03:18.460 And I could see how you would conflate the two things.

01:03:20.780 But what gets me is that, you know, most of these Gnostics are conspiracy theorists, right?

01:03:28.780 I mean, that's, that's kind of what it is to be a conspiracy theorist is to pursue hidden

01:03:33.240 knowledge and basically get to the point where, you know, it all, which is Gnosis, Gnosticism.

01:03:39.760 Like there's, you know, it's all the same shit.

01:03:42.520 God is lying to us as the biggest conspiracy that you can stumble upon.

01:03:46.020 Um, that's when these people who are, they're like, I'll, I'll give them their flowers.

01:03:52.840 The highest level of conspiracy theorists is Gnosticism.

01:03:56.180 Yeah.

01:03:56.880 And which is why I've hit the brakes recently, because I can kind of see that cliff coming

01:04:00.620 and I'm like, oh, that's where this shit ends.

01:04:01.940 Um, but how do you, as a, you know, grandmaster conspiracy theorists not look at Hollywood

01:04:11.180 portraying your values and belief system over and over and over again, and not akin Hollywood

01:04:17.800 to the evil propaganda machine and go, why is the evil propaganda machine telling my belief

01:04:25.840 system to the people?

01:04:27.120 Does, does Hollywood seek to liberate the, what's going on?

01:04:30.880 Because even if you go the Demiurge bad, you then have to go, oh, and Hollywood is making

01:04:37.400 endless efforts to liberate us from the Demiurge.

01:04:41.280 Like, what are you talking about?

01:04:42.860 It is the propaganda system.

01:04:44.680 It is the thing that lies, that gives you your poisonous ideology that corrodes and corrupts

01:04:50.040 society.

01:04:50.540 It is, um, at the basis of every seed.

01:04:54.800 That is an idea that blooms into something terrible that we then later on have to face

01:04:59.520 down the line, but they're trying to liberate us from the Demi or I don't Gnostics.

01:05:06.800 What's happening there?

01:05:07.760 There's a synapses.

01:05:08.640 That's not firing off.

01:05:09.920 There's, there's a connection.

01:05:11.080 That's not being made.

01:05:12.320 You have come to the seat of ultimate knowledge and information through your sleuthing.

01:05:17.520 And you have figured out this harrowing truth that is, this is a prison planet.

01:05:22.460 And the Demiurge keeps us, you know, stuck here and it's, they're siphoning.

01:05:26.820 It's a constant loose battle where they're sucking us dry.

01:05:30.140 They're just sucking us.

01:05:31.380 I mean, that's how you get the knowledge.

01:05:32.620 That's how you get the knowledge.

01:05:33.580 You got to drink the knowledge to get the knowledge.

01:05:35.660 So, so, okay, cool, man.

01:05:37.640 That's crazy.

01:05:38.560 Why does that sound just like every elaborate, you know, Hollywood film?

01:05:43.880 Oh, Hollywood is, Hollywood's trying to free us.

01:05:47.120 Is that what's going on?

01:05:48.300 I don't understand that.

01:05:49.260 Cause if I saw that, I would hit the brakes and be like, whoa, whoa, I'm saying the same

01:05:53.760 shit that stranger things is saying.

01:05:55.300 I'm saying the same shit that the Avengers is saying something's wrong here.

01:05:58.920 I've, I've miscalculated at some point, but no, we just keep marching forward.

01:06:03.040 Yeah.

01:06:03.460 And I'll take you one step further.

01:06:04.760 Show me one happy Gnostic.

01:06:07.560 No, show me one, one, one Gnostic or one truther, like deep, deep rabbit hole truther who has

01:06:15.420 reached, show me one person ever who has reached this level.

01:06:21.780 Cause they'll say, you know, they'll say, well, Oh, Jesus did it.

01:06:24.340 I was like, yeah, but he's your bad guy.

01:06:25.820 Like he's the vessel of y'all to both.

01:06:27.520 Like show me one single, like even the gods, even the gods of old, like it ended horribly

01:06:36.400 for them.

01:06:37.520 Yeah.

01:06:38.040 And horribly for like their, their, uh, empires crumbled.

01:06:42.460 Their, their temples crumbled.

01:06:44.800 They're in Tartarus.

01:06:47.160 They're in the prison planet or they're in the prison within the planet as well.

01:06:50.500 Like, or, but, but boots on the ground, let's say you don't believe in that.

01:06:53.880 Show me one person who, who is do well, do what they'll wilting into a better place.

01:07:01.000 Like, I don't see it.

01:07:02.220 I don't see it anywhere, but you know what I do see?

01:07:04.660 I do see, and I'm not speaking for like the church as a whole, but true believers, true

01:07:10.120 people that are imbibed by the Holy spirit.

01:07:12.480 I see peace.

01:07:13.880 I see no longer being a slave to their sin nature, their worst impulses.

01:07:17.920 It's not that they don't struggle with it and we're told we're going to struggle with

01:07:21.100 it.

01:07:21.600 We're not Jesus.

01:07:22.880 So of course, but I see truth there.

01:07:26.020 Like I see the, like it had not only that had Jesus not come back and died for us, had

01:07:31.640 that not happened, I still would give my allegiance to God for being the creator of everything.

01:07:38.120 I would still be like, Hey, you're the man in charge.

01:07:40.420 You get to set the rules.

01:07:41.960 Like you are the boss.

01:07:44.280 Everything here is just an imitation or a perversion.

01:07:47.920 And like, that's what human history, like you can look at human history as a truther and

01:07:52.720 say like, Oh, it's because bad people are in control.

01:07:54.960 That's the way the world's bad.

01:07:56.220 But we've changed the hands of control so many times, like so many times, different people,

01:08:02.880 different thought processes, different levels of enlightenment or whatever.

01:08:05.940 It's always the same.

01:08:07.600 The only change I see throughout history was after the, after the incarnation of Christ.

01:08:13.160 That's when the world got slightly better.

01:08:16.240 Gnostics are, they are perpetually miserable.

01:08:19.160 I mean, it's, it's a fascinating thing.

01:08:21.040 You walk outside.

01:08:21.720 They want you to be miserable with them.

01:08:23.080 They want you to be miserable with them.

01:08:24.760 Because where I live in Florida, you walk out, it's beautiful.

01:08:28.580 The birds are chirping.

01:08:29.880 The air smells wonderful.

01:08:31.680 I'm playing, you know, ball with my son and hugging my wife and just having, and I go,

01:08:36.320 this really is prison.

01:08:37.940 This really is prison.

01:08:38.860 I'm having this like, you know, these connections with the Holy Spirit and God is revealing things

01:08:43.120 to me and he's giving me this spirit of peace and of sound mind.

01:08:45.920 You just go, shit.

01:08:46.880 This really is a prison.

01:08:48.180 This is a horrible prison.

01:08:49.400 Show me a Gnostic.

01:08:50.740 Go ahead.

01:08:51.840 I was going to say, show me a Gnostic who isn't tragically betrayed by physiognomy.

01:08:55.820 I can't find one.

01:08:57.040 Every Gnostic I've ever seen is a horrifying looking person too.

01:09:01.240 It's just like, none of them are.

01:09:02.960 Look at, uh, Ammon Hillman.

01:09:04.480 And like, yeah, like he's just, he looks and I'm not, not his looks, not like what his

01:09:12.680 appearance, his energy, his presentation and how he, I can't listen to Weshoff.

01:09:22.420 I can't do it.

01:09:23.220 It's like, okay.

01:09:25.680 So, so if you look at, um, uh, and this is something that I'm probably, you know, I'm

01:09:30.900 obviously guilty of because as a conspiracy theorist, it's all about pursuing knowledge

01:09:35.360 that isn't readily available for the masses, but you know who else gets like secret knowledge.

01:09:40.700 That's not for the masses.

01:09:42.400 Schizophrenics happens constantly.

01:09:44.060 These things are whispering unknowable fucking, you know, concepts and, and twisted things to

01:09:49.520 people.

01:09:49.740 This guy is, he's got like the, the downward, what do you call that?

01:09:53.620 Where you see like the, the whites of the under eye, the seppuku eyes, geez, man, what

01:09:59.120 that guy looks like he's drinking the blood of, of children.

01:10:01.900 That's a horrifying visage.

01:10:04.000 Yeah.

01:10:04.220 I don't know.

01:10:04.980 It just seems like, um, you judge a thing by the fruits that it bears.

01:10:08.180 And I don't see Gnostics walking around with this like real peace in their heart and this

01:10:13.220 like love of life or, or, you know, anything like that.

01:10:16.260 I wonder, so, so this, um, this element that we're, we've painted here was really twofold.

01:10:23.480 I would say like the two major takeaways.

01:10:25.240 Number one is this rebellion against a God character.

01:10:28.880 So you invert the God character, you make him the big baddie.

01:10:31.920 But the other thing is the spirit of the savior is inherently feminine.

01:10:37.960 And right now we are, you could also say that that's like, I think that spirit of this,

01:10:44.720 uh, of this, well, not, not necessarily the savior, but the spirit of the malevolent entity

01:10:49.680 that they're painting is a star seed.

01:10:51.880 Um, this thing that full, I don't know what this is, but this is that.

01:10:55.500 Can you explain this to me?

01:10:56.340 Cause I've not seen this.

01:10:57.440 So, um, Henry picks this up out of this guy's suitcase.

01:11:00.940 He tells him not to is after the guy shoots Henry in the hand.

01:11:03.640 That's why he's bleeding.

01:11:04.540 He picks this up and, uh, Vecna or whatever this entity is, then goes into him.

01:11:10.640 He picks it up with his shot hand.

01:11:12.780 Yeah.

01:11:13.240 Why is he retarded?

01:11:13.940 Well, it's cause it's a blood oath.

01:11:15.520 Right, right, right.

01:11:16.600 Um, logistically, it makes no sense.

01:11:18.420 You would probably be like in a tremendous amount of pain, but this thing looks like,

01:11:20.940 uh, wrap it around your hand is what you would do.

01:11:23.620 Anything.

01:11:24.140 Anything.

01:11:24.620 Yeah.

01:11:24.720 And then pick the rock up with the other, not a great scout, not a great scout, not a

01:11:29.280 great scout.

01:11:29.800 He skipped the knot tying.

01:11:31.600 I will also point out the reason I think the Eagle scout is, um, interesting is because

01:11:37.880 like, that is how you would describe Jesus.

01:11:41.020 Right.

01:11:41.320 If you're not a fan, you'd be like, Oh, the boy scout, the guy who never did any wrong.

01:11:44.740 Like, Oh, that's interesting.

01:11:46.240 Yeah.

01:11:47.300 And like, that's how they made him in like the, the musical or the, it's not a musical

01:11:51.040 to play where he's like this good, good person.

01:11:54.040 And, and this happens to him.

01:11:56.080 And I don't know.

01:11:57.480 Wait, this is, there's a play of Stranger Things?

01:12:00.080 Yeah.

01:12:00.300 It's called The First Shadow.

01:12:02.200 And it's, it's Henry's backstory.

01:12:05.380 Are they actually going to be making a, I think they're going to do some backstory, like

01:12:09.300 a follow-up on Netflix.

01:12:10.600 So I'm interested to see.

01:12:12.460 Oh, like Henry's backstory?

01:12:13.860 Yeah.

01:12:14.280 But I, I, I think that we're, we'll find out that that little rock that he picks up

01:12:17.860 there is some sort of, uh, something from space.

01:12:20.480 Suppository.

01:12:21.060 They're going to, they're going to go to the outer space, like venom sort of thing.

01:12:24.560 And I just find that very interesting.

01:12:26.280 Cause now you draw on these ideas of star seeds.

01:12:28.320 You also draw on the idea of, uh, not just interdimensional, but like extraterrestrial

01:12:33.100 influence on what they're claiming to be the devil, which I guess you can go both ways,

01:12:39.020 but I just wanted to bring that up before I forgot.

01:12:41.200 Well, I mean, all of that does fit in really well because the elements that are being used

01:12:45.760 to cause that inversion of, of God.

01:12:48.260 And then that, that feminine, uh, savior energy, savior spirit, it is like a tremendous amount

01:12:54.600 of it is, uh, this kind of alien deception thing.

01:12:58.520 I was watching earlier when I was doing the show, I bought up this, this, uh, I don't know

01:13:03.120 if you've seen this West, but this orb that's going hyper viral right now.

01:13:06.760 And it's Chris Bledsoe, which his son, is it, you said Nick Bledsoe, or what the hell

01:13:12.400 is the dude's name?

01:13:13.440 Fat Bledsoe.

01:13:15.040 Are you all right?

01:13:16.580 He's okay.

01:13:17.980 Man, I just shot like spit into my sinuses.

01:13:20.620 Um, yeah, Fat Bledsoe, he, uh, big Fat Bledsoe.

01:13:25.360 He was, he came out and he goes, the lady is in control.

01:13:31.400 And I'm paraphrasing, but it was like, we talked about this on the episode of, uh,

01:13:35.500 uh, Neft to America that the lady is going to, uh, do, is that, is that Chris?

01:13:41.360 Yeah.

01:13:41.680 All right.

01:13:42.080 He's a funny looking guy.

01:13:42.840 This is the orb.

01:13:43.500 Yeah.

01:13:43.720 We'll talk about the orb in a second, but yeah.

01:13:45.360 So, so his son goes, the lady is in control more or less.

01:13:48.140 What he's saying is this, there's a divine feminine goddess character that's in control.

01:13:52.580 That's going to save us and liberate us from all the, you know, the evil control mechanisms

01:13:57.780 that we're subjected to.

01:13:58.760 And I've been talking about it endlessly, probably since the show's inception.

01:14:02.460 Um, that's the exact same shit that not only QAnon does, which I'm telling you, I'm still

01:14:08.300 fat.

01:14:08.720 So you net said fat.

01:14:09.900 So very funny, you net.

01:14:12.880 Um, uh, I think that there was some element where this galactic federation of light shit

01:14:20.320 clicks into this QAnon shit.

01:14:23.060 And one of the conjoining materials, mark my word, I, it's not really out there yet.

01:14:29.040 I'm thinking things are going to emerge and we're going to start to see more elements.

01:14:32.720 I think this, this chick plays a role in it.

01:14:35.020 Um, uh, uh, uh, uh, what the fuck's her name?

01:14:41.760 The, the, the Trump lady, Melania.

01:14:43.560 Melania Trump.

01:14:44.280 I think Melania plays a role in this.

01:14:46.100 I think she's this kind of sleeper that's in the background.

01:14:48.800 Her outfits and everything have been like kind of cuing that she is some player in this.

01:14:55.900 And then of course, we still have yet to do anything with the fact that she was given

01:15:00.240 an Einstein visa to, to, to, to come to the States, despite only having been a model.

01:15:06.840 Now, of course you could say, well, she was high, uh, I don't know, not just a high earner,

01:15:14.440 but like she was, uh, wrapped up with enough people that they just gave her that they could

01:15:19.240 have given her anything though, to just get her over here.

01:15:22.520 Well, the Einstein visa specifically for people with like extremely high IQ, genius level IQ.

01:15:27.660 I know she's multilingual, but I don't know much else about her.

01:15:30.600 So there's a genius level IQ character who's dressing like B for vendetta in the background,

01:15:36.260 syncing up her outfits with, uh, with Jackie Kennedy's outfits, all this weird shit that

01:15:40.880 she's communicating through, through her outfits. Um, and she's just standing behind Trump.

01:15:45.280 Oh yeah. And then they made Jesus look like her. Like, I just think that's the weirdest

01:15:48.240 thing in the world, dude. Like if you look from the eye, from the nose, that's a, that's a painting

01:15:52.680 at Mar-a-Lago that he did on new year's. And it has the eyes of Ivanka Trump. I mean,

01:15:56.840 whatever the hell this has the whole, it has the whole appearance of Ivanka Trump. Uh, but it's

01:16:01.020 supposed to be Jesus. It's just very bizarre, but that's an aside. I'm just, I'm just putting

01:16:03.940 that out there because I'd like to be in, in my search for Gnostic truths. I'd like to be

01:16:08.720 remembered as the guy who said that, uh, she's going to play a role in all this, but I do think

01:16:13.240 the QAnon thing and the Galactic Federation of Light thing, which is what, um, you know,

01:16:18.920 somebody else is in control. Somebody else is coming to save you. And in particular with

01:16:23.420 the Galactic Federation of Light and all this Pleiadian shit, it is specifically feminine.

01:16:28.740 It's a feminine. They even use the female voice in the Galactic Federation of Light videos to tell

01:16:33.540 you that just, just hold on a little bit longer because we're going to liberate you. We're going to

01:16:38.400 save you. Um, and that is what everybody supposes by the way, what are they doing? These UFOs when

01:16:44.560 they show up? Oh, they're, they're stopping nuclear war. They're, they're giving us prophetic warnings

01:16:50.660 about, you know, destroying our own planet and, and that we need to ascend and all this crap, but,

01:16:55.880 but we're being, uh, uh, oppressed or suppressed by these, these evil satanic forces. So, you know,

01:17:02.600 clearly they have their, their good in mind, like all of this crap is pointing to this, this divine

01:17:09.320 feminine, you know, that, that, by the way, we've been subjected to the vast majority of subliminal

01:17:15.480 messaging and symbols that we're subjected to, whether it's at the Superbowl or anything is divine

01:17:20.580 feminine shit. And so now you've pointed out several times over the course of this entire

01:17:27.320 show you've guys have been doing. And it's the same question. I think it's one of the most

01:17:33.140 important questions is why, because you like, you just brought up the idea of, uh, them stopping

01:17:40.080 nuclear war and saving us from ourselves. Yeah. But we, and they're like, Oh, well, so the, so the

01:17:49.180 takeaway for a lot of people, um, is that like, okay, clearly some of them are good and some of them

01:17:54.860 are bad. And I don't get why the critical thinking stops and says, wait a second. Maybe it's maybe

01:18:06.220 they're lying to us. I don't get, like you've said about David Ike and it's like, because they did

01:18:11.740 something that in the moment feels good does not mean they are good. I don't like, cause like, okay,

01:18:16.480 let's say a little Raven you're 11 years old and a guy pulls up with a van. He doesn't, he says, Hey,

01:18:22.200 I've got candy in here. He doesn't say, Hey, I'm going to touch you and appropriately get in here.

01:18:28.040 Yeah. He doesn't say that. He says like, Hey, we're going to go to discovery zone. We're going

01:18:32.680 to go to showbiz pizza or whatever, you know, like I'm, I'm your dad's friend or whatever,

01:18:38.160 you know, like they lie to you to get you to them. And like, well, the thing that I don't,

01:18:46.720 I don't, well, I see what's happening here. It's, we want to sigh a breath of relief. When we

01:18:53.140 first permeate the big lie, the big lie is set up for us. And that's pretty obvious. It's just

01:18:59.120 called the official narrative. The official narrative is whatever it is. And we're living

01:19:03.520 in a materialistic paradigm. If you have an experience where you break through that veil,

01:19:09.280 that wall, and let's say you experienced firsthand, like I believe David Ike did some sort of spiritual

01:19:15.520 entity. You're really not stopping to think about breaking through another layer of lies.

01:19:20.700 You're just blown away that this thing that you were told was not real is in fact real.

01:19:25.620 You got it. And now you're special, which makes it even worse and even harder to navigate this

01:19:30.920 shit. And it's going to impart upon you the, the, the coveted information that was always

01:19:36.920 right out of your grasp on the other side of this veil that you broke through. So you worked your ass off.

01:19:41.600 You got through the veil. They gave you a big high five, gave you a medal, told you,

01:19:45.500 you were special, gave you to the information done. Who wants to go past that? Who wants to go?

01:19:51.400 Like, am I really special? Is this metal even made of precious metals? And, and is this thing lying to

01:19:57.380 me? Nobody wants to do that. And then of course there's the, the even harder point of like, how do

01:20:02.520 you begin that? It's one thing to tear apart the mockingbird media. It's another thing to, you know,

01:20:08.820 look through freedom of information act, uh, documents that were finally released. The only

01:20:14.640 thing that you have to deal with these spirits is to test them in the name of Jesus Christ. But if

01:20:20.120 you're not a Christian and you think that Jesus was part of that old paradigm that you just busted

01:20:24.820 through, you ain't got shit. You ain't got shit to deal with these entities. What's that ascended

01:20:32.500 Pleiadian Atlantean master? I'm special. And you have coveted information for me. Even if you have

01:20:40.120 an inclination that this thing is lying to you, how the hell do you go about discerning that?

01:20:45.600 And on the other side of that, if you write a book about it, you're going to have a good time.

01:20:50.620 You write a couple of books about what the ascended masters tell you, you're going to have a good time.

01:20:54.580 You're also going to find that the information they gave you plays really well with the underbelly of

01:21:00.620 conspiracy information that's out there. So now you get to go out, uh, and infiltrate this community

01:21:06.580 and become a firsthand experiencer talking head for the cons, which is what David Icke has become.

01:21:12.920 And so many other people, right? He's up there with like an Alex Jones or whatever. You're an

01:21:16.560 authority on an intangible topic that everyone is seeking, or you can ask the Pleiadians if they're

01:21:22.940 lying. Yeah. Yeah. No, you make a good point, but it just, uh, yeah, I guess once, you know,

01:21:29.040 once you know, or once you look at like, I don't, it's just seems so weird to me that like, you know,

01:21:34.080 there's people in this space that I like, but they're just so far off and you know, it's like

01:21:39.700 their hearts in the right place, but they, I don't know how, you know, like, uh, you know,

01:21:45.280 Chris Ramsey, uh, area 52. Um, I know like the, the, no, no, I know the S2 thing with Bob Lazar.

01:21:53.560 I don't think I know Chris Ramsey. Oh, well, he's a, like, he is a standup comedian and magician,

01:21:59.080 but he has a YouTube channel called area 52 and he like interviews, you know, abductees and

01:22:04.800 insiders and stuff in his gift. It's really well-produced, really entertaining guy. Seems

01:22:08.580 like a really nice guy, but he made a documentary where he went through the gateway process and like

01:22:13.260 left his body and no, not this guy. No, look up area 52. Putting that on that guy.

01:22:20.220 Yeah. Um, no, this guy's got like glasses and he's tatted all over. Um, like his hands are all

01:22:33.940 tattooed with like rooms and stuff. Um, like a nice guy, but like, uh, way off on truth. And like,

01:22:44.020 he said something one time where he was like, you know, if my coffee mug started talking to me and

01:22:47.420 told me the secrets of the universe, I would believe this guy. Yeah. I just saw him recently.

01:22:51.220 He has a fairly large YouTube channel and pretty, like, I like his production quality as well.

01:22:58.100 That's a fascinating thing. Look at that. Look at his pin tweet. We need aliens now more than ever.

01:23:02.560 I mean, hook, line and sinker. These people are, Oh, I was going to watch this. Yeah. I know this guy.

01:23:08.320 I've been seeing him all cause I wanted to make fun of this stupid alien thing, which I don't doubt is a,

01:23:12.820 is a real gray, but I still want to ridicule it, uh, mercilessly. Um, I've seen this guy,

01:23:18.360 but yeah, this is hook, line and sinker. And right there, that's the, the, what you just said,

01:23:21.760 Wes is the thinking that gets you into a lot of trouble. If my, uh, coffee mug started telling me

01:23:28.100 the secrets of the universe, I believe it. It's like you idiot, man. So anybody can come to you and

01:23:33.260 tell you something profound that just breaks the paradigm of what you previously were accustomed

01:23:38.160 with. And by default, you believe it just not easy to deceive dog. Just not Jesus. Right.

01:23:46.420 And which I don't get like the, like, that's the most amazing example of it. Like the, the life he

01:23:54.940 lived, the, uh, came in and like, um, not persecuted, but, um, like rebuked his own people, the people

01:24:04.920 that were going around following him and being like, Hey, you're doing this wrong, by the way.

01:24:09.620 And let me show you how to do it. And then it unfolding, like his story before your very eyes,

01:24:16.160 like it being a fulfillment of every story in the old Testament of the Hebrew Bible, like all of that,

01:24:23.280 like you look like you have to, like, I can't even conceive of not believing anymore because of how

01:24:32.840 tight it is over that time. And we know this, right? Like we know when, not exactly when every

01:24:38.100 single book of the Bible was written. We just know that it was before Christ significantly before

01:24:41.620 Christ of the old Testament, I should say, and then him fulfilling it. And then the complexity

01:24:47.580 of his example of having to be poured over for the last, however many centuries to be like, Oh,

01:24:55.120 I'm starting to understand this now. Like now we're starting to understand stuff. Whereas like the idea of

01:25:01.100 that this was invented by Paul or whatever, you know, certain writers, you would just like,

01:25:07.520 we have all the proof in the world that if they were hoaxing it, they would just tell you what to

01:25:12.220 believe. They would just recently was like, why? Paul was a murderer of Christians, right? Why should

01:25:18.560 we listen to him? And it's just like, man, that's just like, I can see it in overtime right now. There's

01:25:23.380 a, there's a big effort. I don't know if it's, uh, if I'm biased because I'm in this kind of

01:25:29.640 information and I'm in this walk with Christ. And so these things come across my algorithm,

01:25:34.560 or if it really is like some peek into the hive mind of humanity on social media. And it, and

01:25:41.200 there's a, there's a wave that's pushing not only people towards Christ, but also, uh, there's a,

01:25:46.840 there's a opposition to that where it's like all of this, this question. And I do find it kind of

01:25:51.800 maybe romantics, not the word, maybe it is ironic if I knew the meaning of that word,

01:25:56.380 but I'm kind of in the Alanis Morissette camp of not knowing what that word means.

01:26:01.600 Um, somebody clip that. So, so, um, it is, I, maybe it's not, I find it ironic despite the

01:26:10.200 meaning of the word that we search for coveted hidden information and that the truth is unbelievably

01:26:19.940 accessible, unbelievably accessible. There is no bar for entry except for reading maybe,

01:26:26.680 but even in 2025, you have it on audio book, you know, whatever. I would say irony was the right

01:26:32.740 word. Yeah. There you go. So, so there is zero bar for entry where, where Odin or, or whatever

01:26:41.240 loses an eye for coveted wisdom, you know, us simple human beings have access to the truth.

01:26:50.540 In fact, it's, it's in every, and you know, maybe the building's a little bit messed up. Maybe the

01:26:54.900 pastor's a little bit messed up. Maybe the congregation is a little bit messed up, but you

01:26:57.860 can walk in physically, put your hand on a thing and look at it and study it and no one will stop you.

01:27:04.700 And that's the truth right there. It's in there. If you just mull over it and you, and you pursue

01:27:10.540 God and, and, and you ask the Holy spirit to give you guidance and to help you understand. And you know,

01:27:16.980 you, you wrestle with these scriptures and you, you actually put it on your heart to understand God

01:27:22.660 and understand the world that we're in. These things are revealed to you. There's so much you can

01:27:27.120 know. And over time on God's time, these things will become imparted on you and you'll have a deeper

01:27:32.420 understanding. And, and that's a lot of the relationship with God too, is I, I, I rail,

01:27:37.520 I realize now God will reach out and help you understand them because we are, you know, retarded.

01:27:43.220 So there are things that just are a little bit hard to, and it's like, just give it some time and

01:27:47.360 really mean in your heart that you want to know this thing, zero bar for entry, dog, zero bar for

01:27:53.460 entry, or I would disagree slightly. The bar is extremely high actually for entry. It is the thing that is

01:28:01.860 most valuable to us. And like you guys made it, you, I listened to your year in review and

01:28:07.640 you know, I liked it. I didn't not, I liked, I did not like not being on the top guest list.

01:28:15.400 I'm just joking. He should be in the intro.

01:28:19.240 You should be in the intro.

01:28:20.700 No, I was joking.

01:28:22.440 Marzinski should too though. Marzinski's not in the intro?

01:28:25.340 No, I suck.

01:28:26.760 That's all right. There's only so much labor.

01:28:28.460 I'm totally joking about that.

01:28:30.040 You guys are top said something that actually does explain this. Like I just said, I don't

01:28:39.160 understand. I do a hundred percent understand because the hardest thing that you have to

01:28:42.820 do, the single thing that you have to do a is accept a, accept Jesus Christ and believe

01:28:49.700 he died for your sins. But the thing you have to do is die.

01:28:53.620 Hmm. It's hard. It seems hard.

01:28:57.560 Yes. Whereas all the others say, just stay how you are.

01:29:01.800 Yep. Just how you are. Don't change your worst things. Just become more like that. Like they

01:29:07.680 want you to ascend, which has become more like yourself, be more yourself, be more in your sin

01:29:13.820 nature. Stop being so inhibited. Stop like all the things that Christianity says. That's why

01:29:19.360 with stranger things. I think that the military isn't the military. The military is the church

01:29:24.200 who's trying to like subdue everybody and like use the power of heaven to control the masses and

01:29:29.920 fight their enemies. It's like, it's like the Vatican or something. And, um, but yes, it is,

01:29:35.920 it is simply that it's like, I don't like, I'm sure you guys have seen that meme from like 10 years

01:29:40.680 ago where it's like, who wants change? And everybody raises their hand. It says, who wants to change to get

01:29:44.240 the change and nobody raises their hand. And it's like, that's, that's the essence of Christianity.

01:29:49.040 And all the other things say like, Hey, the problem is outside of you. Whereas Christianity,

01:29:52.980 it's the only way the world changes is if you change yourself, then you go out there and help

01:29:56.240 other people change themselves. And the J in your own H, you know, um, there's two things I want to

01:30:03.220 say on the number one is at that point is worth reiterating the becoming a follower of Christ and how

01:30:10.280 much, um, it's a scary thing, the thought of it. And I, and I was forced to kind of ask myself

01:30:16.380 when I think about the inevitability of becoming a Christian, because I forgot that I said that

01:30:21.100 because I just be saying shit. You do be saying shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, uh, I didn't

01:30:27.960 like the idea. I knew that that's the path that I was looking down and I knew it was the path that

01:30:33.440 kept bearing good fruit. And so I knew that as long as this continued to be the case that I was going to

01:30:38.040 continue to walk down that path, which meant inevitably I would become a Christian. And

01:30:41.540 there was a part of me that recoiled at that. And that part of me, you know, you could kind of call

01:30:47.240 it the ego, but it's the same, it's this love of self. Um, and juxtaposed to that was the,

01:30:54.800 the self vindication that I was experiencing, especially after the vid popped off in 2020,

01:31:01.040 where I sidestepped it. And I used my own knowledge that I had learned, you know, years ago to correctly

01:31:08.800 sidestep it. And I was patting myself on the back for a number of years going, look at how accurately

01:31:14.300 I called all these things. And because of that, I was able to do the right thing. And now all of a

01:31:19.720 sudden the path that I'm looking down says you ain't shit dummy. And you can't do this without God.

01:31:24.700 And that's, that's, that was a hard pill to swallow. But the good news is if you're somebody

01:31:30.680 like me who is experiencing that recoiling at becoming a follower of Christ, God is gracious

01:31:37.600 and patient. And it happens in a way that, um, it doesn't hurt. I thought it was going to hurt.

01:31:43.980 One of you said, you don't dial it once you shed yourself over time. And I, that's a hundred percent

01:31:48.840 true. And it's, you know, you, you make the decision all at once, but it's not like, you

01:31:55.420 know, that's why I'm, I'm, I tend to stay silent on when you see like, Oh, a porn person becomes

01:32:02.480 Christian the day after it didn't change. Then why didn't they change? And it's like, Whoa,

01:32:07.580 calm down. Like, yeah. Give this person a second. Like an a, like not your job, your job's not to be

01:32:13.200 there and pointing at that. You're not so like, okay, Pharisee, like time out. If they continue

01:32:18.440 doing the things that, that were a problem, you can comment on that, but that's not what

01:32:23.860 happens. We go for the jugular humans go for the jugular. It's like, Oh, they're alive. They're a

01:32:27.500 grifter. They're like, you should not be wanting that. You should be more like, cause I see a lot

01:32:32.140 of comments on, you know, like, what was her name? The red lady from, yeah, I know who you're

01:32:36.740 talking. I forget what her name is, but yeah, they're like something. Yeah. But, uh, people are

01:32:43.280 like, we've been burned too many times. And it's like, that's our job. Our job is to be burned. You

01:32:48.140 know, it's a Russell brand and Jordan Peterson, Rogan. And it's like, don't care. Like your job

01:32:53.460 is not to go out there and be like, Oh, I called it. Oh, I called it. You going out there and saying

01:32:59.120 this guy's not real. You're going to push him away from the kingdom. And that is on you. I do not

01:33:03.900 want to deal with the ramifications of that in eternity. I think it's like, I believed them. I tried

01:33:10.680 our job though, as well as to, that's it. I don't have no thoughts. I do, but I'm not going to go out

01:33:16.060 there and push that person away. Uh, yeah. And I've done a good job. I've done a good job

01:33:21.380 at now. I've, I've never really commented on these people. Uh, cause now I think the other girl that

01:33:27.060 had sex with a thousand guys just got baptized. And I, like, I saw it and I'm like, I'm not going

01:33:31.680 to say anything. I hope so. But what I think is our job is to warn other people. Like what you just

01:33:39.520 said, number one, don't judge them and push them away, but also don't put them on a pedestal.

01:33:46.020 They're not your leader. No, no. Like my, and my whole big thing, when I, when I was on, uh, Tim,

01:33:52.680 uh, Tim, Tim pool show, I had asked him about guys like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson at the time

01:33:58.140 and how they, uh, uh, I thought that they had failed in their messaging to young people. And I go,

01:34:03.780 at what point Tim, do we just, uh, say next shooter? Like who's up next? I get you, you know,

01:34:11.660 you, you brought a lot to the table, but you missed it in such a big way that I, I can't overlook it.

01:34:17.420 I don't want to kill you, but we got to push you to the back of the line. Right. And Tim,

01:34:23.020 he was just like, anyway, and he didn't want to even address that question. But I was like,

01:34:26.680 that's a fair question because that's how we should deal with these people. Like you were at the

01:34:31.540 forefront of doing X, Y, Z. Now you think you're going to be at the forefront of pushing Christianity

01:34:35.940 because you got baptized. No, you're the back of the line, but you're in line with us. We're all

01:34:41.400 together here, but you got to shut up. Like that's very important. Yeah. Just because you're used to

01:34:46.340 being the mouthpiece of whatever it was you were representing before. Well, they're bringing the

01:34:49.360 weight of like, I don't know, a million followers on Instagram. And then now they're, now you're

01:34:52.900 pushing Christianity. You could say the same for like Justin Bieber or whatever, you name it,

01:34:57.520 whatever Snoop Dogg, whatever new celebrity has decided to embody Christianity. We're like,

01:35:03.520 thanks. Great. Back of the line. There's a lot of people here that have been talking about this for

01:35:08.340 a long time accurately, and you are not fit to do that. Yeah. Unless you're espousing, like I am new

01:35:14.440 in this walk and I'm desperately trying to understand what this is. Like I got to hear some back of the

01:35:19.380 line. Yeah. Because it gets very, very confusing. And the reaction for Christians, people that are

01:35:26.120 Christians, new Christians, old Christians is to look at you and go, you don't belong here. And I

01:35:30.940 get what they're saying because what they're going to be doing is possibly creating this weird stumbling

01:35:35.880 block for other people, but that's not the right way to deal with them. The correct way is to be like,

01:35:40.240 you don't really like in this landscape, you ain't shit. Sorry. You're new here. So quiet down.

01:35:48.480 Yeah. I would say their usefulness though, there is usefulness there for them. Especially after some

01:35:56.060 time, after some time, because there's, you know, people talk about a lot, like the new salvation

01:36:01.700 high, you know, it's like you're on top of the world and then it fades. And a lot of people fall

01:36:05.860 away when it goes away because they think that Christianity is like this self-help thing that

01:36:09.900 makes you have a better life. And it's like, you've got some reading to do if you think that,

01:36:12.780 but what they're useful for and what somebody like the, any of them, any, any of these people

01:36:19.120 are useful for is we are a easily impressionable species. So somebody saying like, oh, it's okay to

01:36:30.900 do this. Like, it's okay to think these thoughts. It's okay to, to consider Jesus like Kat Von D.

01:36:36.940 Kat Von D is actually the best example of this because she didn't go out there and say, I am a

01:36:41.080 Christian leader. She was like, um, I'm on fire for Jesus. I'm going to tell people that,

01:36:45.820 but I'm going to continue being Kat Von D. I'm just going to no longer do the things that were

01:36:50.200 not Christ-like. I'm going to teach my child about Jesus Christ. I'm going to tell people when they

01:36:56.140 ask, but I'm not a leader. I'm not out here to, to, to, you know, um, shepherd people, but I will tell

01:37:03.520 my story and how the things that I was doing before that I thought were empowering were only,

01:37:07.960 you know, enslaving me. And like, that's a great example for, you want to talk to people

01:37:12.820 and hear testimony. You want to hear how. I was just doing a show and I was talking about,

01:37:19.260 um, this conversation I was having with my wife and she was, um, with who, with my wife.

01:37:24.700 Oh, very cool. Oh, there it is. I was saying to her that, you know, um, we were having this

01:37:31.560 conversation about like, oh, I'm, it's not just me who's, who's being called. Right. Like,

01:37:35.740 I think she's being called too. I think we're all being called. And, um, that's pretty obvious.

01:37:41.320 And, and so, you know, I, I, I kind of simplified it. I was talking on the previous show about it and

01:37:46.520 I was saying like, well, what are we being called to do? It's, it's the great commission,

01:37:49.580 make disciples of men. Okay. How am I supposed to do that? Somebody who's not well-versed in

01:37:54.540 scripture, who's not a, a conspiracy theorist who doesn't have this Bible number one. Well,

01:37:58.740 I think number one is you have a testimony about when you were saved. That is the thing

01:38:06.640 that you can share, share the things that you were doing wrong. What happened that made you

01:38:12.900 realize it was wrong. What happened that made you choose Jesus Christ. And that is the best place

01:38:18.540 to start. You, you know, we're all looking around what's our job. What are we supposed to do?

01:38:23.780 The great commission, make disciples of men. How are you supposed to do that? You have a testimony.

01:38:29.000 God has given you a unique skillset. You don't need that. I was even saying I'm, I'm choosing

01:38:34.720 almost the coward's route in very many ways. I don't have to go and touch anybody on the shoulder,

01:38:39.980 breathe people's air in, in real life and try to proselytize to them. I have a camera and I never

01:38:45.800 even get to see the people who email us and say, because of you, I came closer to God, or I used to be in

01:38:52.980 the church, I fell away. Now I'm back. Or I used to be agnostic or atheist. And now I've realized that

01:38:57.480 that is, I, God gave a handicapped dude. Well, I did a way to do it on Saturday. A guy, thank God for

01:39:05.360 the coffee shop, because now you have to do that, David. A guy named Adam came in from North, like

01:39:11.720 about three or four hours away. And he was a truck driver that was disaffected from God, started listening

01:39:18.260 to the show six months ago, uh, and is now drawing the relationship. But I got to meet him and talk

01:39:23.680 with him for 20 minutes. I'm also like functionally retarded. So like I was walking out, didn't realize

01:39:29.680 that he was there because he liked the show. And my wife told me, she was like, no, this is a,

01:39:34.520 he's here because, uh, who did? Well, my wife did. Okay. Yeah. She said that he's here because he liked

01:39:40.440 the show. So I'm like, all right, well then I have to go back in and talk. So I went back in

01:39:43.780 and I talked to him for like 20 minutes and, uh, yeah, that is your commission. Stupid.

01:39:48.760 Yeah. Sorry. No, I mean, this is like what we're doing, whether you like it or not.

01:39:52.820 What I'm saying is it's beautiful because it's so simple. Like you don't have to be

01:39:57.580 Jay Dyer level knowledge of scripture or you don't have to be, um, you know, Nephilim death squad level

01:40:03.740 of cameras and lights and shit. Like you don't need any of that. You need to share your testimony.

01:40:09.120 If you share your testimony, if you're working towards a closeness with God, all the other

01:40:14.460 stuff comes later. God inspires you and reveals things to you and guides you, but you have a

01:40:20.240 story to share and you have a job to do. And it's very simple. Yeah. And like, everybody's

01:40:26.000 kind of got a place, you know, like, uh, what you're describing, like that new person is, is

01:40:31.160 good for that kind of thing because like faith is sort of, well, if anything, any, anything

01:40:36.340 is a parabola, right? So it's like, when you become a new Christian, you're, you're able to

01:40:41.220 talk to people, like you're able to talk to people on their level. Whereas like I've found in my

01:40:47.480 experience, as you grow in that parabola, as you enter this, like you're studying the Bible,

01:40:52.360 your ability to communicate to somebody who is still like lost or, or just curious is diminished

01:41:00.360 because you're in your journey. And like, you know, I see it a lot where it's like, uh, somebody

01:41:07.620 wants to tell somebody about Jesus. And I'm like, okay, let me start with, uh, the Nephilim. And

01:41:11.440 then you're going to, and it's like, no timeout this, you've lost them already. Yeah. And as you

01:41:15.820 mature, and this is what I was saying to Matt before the show is like, you come back around,

01:41:20.300 you horseshoe back around to being like, okay, now I can tell this simply. Now I can communicate to

01:41:26.420 somebody again, because I'm starting to figure me out. Uh, I'm starting to figure out the,

01:41:31.320 the understanding because it is like, it's not a understanding scripture. First of all,

01:41:38.500 you never fully will. You just won't, but it, even in its early, early stages, it's so overwhelming.

01:41:46.240 It's so nuanced to not take the wrong message away. It is so nuanced. That's why it's so easy for

01:41:52.920 Gnostics or just atheists who want to use Jesus against you. Like, I don't believe in him,

01:41:57.840 but let me tell you about your Jesus. It's his words can be twisted easily because they're so,

01:42:04.200 they're so, um, intricate in what they're communicating.

01:42:09.660 Well, it's a supernatural look, you know, it's this thing that keeps unfolding and unfolding and

01:42:16.460 showing new compartments and new, new revelations. But, you know, you can think like, uh, render

01:42:21.120 into Caesar, what is Caesar's there's a hundred and one ways somebody could say, I'm going to take

01:42:24.820 that scripture out of context and make you think it means what I want it to mean. And you have to

01:42:29.700 like read it deeper and understand why he said it, what situation he was in, who was in the room,

01:42:36.160 what a denarii is. You have to understand all these little nuances to, to know what the message

01:42:40.620 is. And, you know, there's a thousand and one different YouTube videos on that verse alone

01:42:44.760 that all have a different take on it, you know, and maybe some of them all have elements of truth,

01:42:48.820 but like that understanding to be able to, to effectively communicate with somebody,

01:42:55.080 you have to know where they're at. Right. And like that, I think that is a lot of times easier

01:42:59.880 for somebody who is new. I'm not saying that they should go lead a congregation, but they're an

01:43:04.120 excellent person too. Like I heard Matt say that one time is like, Oh, that person's testimony is

01:43:08.360 going to be great. And it's like a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want to send like, um,

01:43:14.180 you know, Johnny Chang, I think his name is Johnny Chang. Um, he's an Asian guy. He's awesome. Like

01:43:21.260 you should watch his stuff. He's Asian dude, former convict, tatted all over, but he just goes and,

01:43:27.240 uh, witnesses to prisons. You got to send that guy. Like we're not sending, you know,

01:43:33.780 like Michael Knowles there. Like it's not going to work. Yeah. We're not sending Jay Dyer there

01:43:38.720 even cause it, there's so much like information. Like you said, somebody who knows all this,

01:43:45.360 that they're going to intellectualize it in a way, not saying that that's bad, but that's our

01:43:51.160 conversation, right? Like that's what we want to talk about. But to say like, Hey, let me talk to

01:43:57.120 you about what it's like to be you and why this is what you've been looking for. And you don't even

01:44:02.400 realize it. Like you do have to, on some level come from that space. And sometimes it's just as

01:44:07.900 simple as not so long ago, I was where you are and that's lost. Yes. And that, that is really

01:44:14.940 valuable. So it, it is a, and you know, like when it goes to politics, the right does this all the

01:44:21.660 time. Christians do this all the time. Or as soon as somebody like Nicki Minaj says something about

01:44:25.760 like, maybe they're forcing vaccines on us. They're like, Oh my God, our queen, like our base queen has

01:44:31.380 arrived. Yeah. Yeah. Who cares about everything else? That's what happens when you're looking for a

01:44:36.340 savior. Yeah. Especially when you already have one. Yeah. We got to, um, it's validation,

01:44:42.600 right? You're just like, Oh God, we're like you, we've accepted that what we believe is not popular.

01:44:49.260 It's vindication. Right. And that, that's that slippery slope though, dude, that, that really

01:44:53.860 is. I had to learn that the hard way, but, um, we've got to bring it in for a landing after this.

01:44:58.400 I just wanted to say though, you know, that anybody who's listening, everybody has that thing that

01:45:03.620 they ponder all the time. What am I supposed to do? It's really simple, dude. Like, yeah. Trying

01:45:07.980 to bring, especially as a new Christian, bring the complexity of, of scripture to people. That's

01:45:13.260 something for you to work through and understand. You're trying to understand God, which is simple

01:45:17.180 in very many ways, but also very complex given that he's the creator of the universe and he's

01:45:21.300 omnipresent and all these different things. Um, but you have been given a testimony and that

01:45:26.480 testimony is, and will be relatable to somebody out there. And what you have an opportunity

01:45:31.620 to do is share your story with someone and somewhere out there, you know, on earth, you

01:45:38.160 will win over somebody for the kingdom of God and literally save their soul. You'll point

01:45:44.600 them to the facilitator of eternity, you know, uh, with God, with Jesus Christ, you have the

01:45:52.500 ability to do that. And you're going to be able to reach people that other people can't

01:45:57.400 reach because everybody's story is unique in its way, but also there is somebody who

01:46:01.740 can uniquely relate to that. So I just want to put that out there. A lot of people, you

01:46:06.280 know, it's a natural question to ask, how do I get involved with this, this, this great

01:46:10.200 commission to just share your story, homie, share your story somewhere out there. Somebody's

01:46:14.400 going to hear it. If you type it up and you put it somewhere, if you say it to somebody in

01:46:18.360 real life, if you make a video or a clip and you put it out on the internet, whatever, it

01:46:22.740 doesn't matter if you're, if you hang out with a friend and you decide to share your

01:46:25.840 experience with your friend, there's somebody out there and there's literally no greater

01:46:29.960 work to be called to than to help somebody find eternal salvation. Like that's crazy.

01:46:36.160 That's kind of crazy.

01:46:37.660 One caveat I would add to that is to actually, to, to effectively do what you're saying, become

01:46:45.980 a good listener. Yeah. When somebody comes to you about this, listen to them because that

01:46:52.420 is, that is opening the door. When you sit there, somebody tells you why their life is

01:46:58.480 the way it is, how they feel, what they're looking for. Not only are they connecting with

01:47:06.060 you in a certain way, they're showing you which doors are unlocked and you can open.

01:47:11.360 They're showing you what, what do I need to say to this person? And I mean, that's sales,

01:47:16.200 right? Like in a sense you are selling, but yeah, it's, you will not be able to reach their

01:47:23.720 soul or reach their heart unless they first opened that door to you. And the way you do

01:47:29.040 that is listening to them, letting them get it all out, let them get their frustrations

01:47:33.020 out. Cause I struggle with this when I talk to people where I'm like, Oh, let me, I know

01:47:36.700 what you're about to say. And let me that you just shut the door. I just shut the door.

01:47:40.180 This is what I do. Yeah. It's once I learned to like, listen and let them get that thought

01:47:45.000 out. And like, like I said, sales, when I was in sales, they would say, if somebody calls

01:47:49.980 you from your store and they have a complaint, all you have to do is listen to why they're

01:47:54.880 upset. And then they're going to listen to what you have to offer. And it's the whole

01:47:58.560 thing. Yeah. And it's like, okay, you got it out. I heard you acknowledge it. And, and

01:48:03.680 like, that is the example of Jesus too. Like Jesus did listen. Jesus did speak exactly

01:48:09.180 to what it was that they were going through exactly what it was that was keeping them

01:48:14.300 away or, or had them closed off. And that is the, the, it's the best tool in your, in

01:48:21.800 your bag to get deeper to them. So actively listening is hard. I struggle with it a lot,

01:48:28.740 but it is extremely important if you're going to talk to somebody, cause I see a lot of comments

01:48:34.420 on your guys' tweets and videos where it's like, ah, this person at work, they're just like

01:48:38.640 this person. And like, listen, listen, not to get your next word in. And don't, you

01:48:43.700 don't even have to answer them that day. Listen to them for a month, listen to them

01:48:47.360 for a week. Even if it's like, oh man, I've heard the same story and over and over

01:48:51.400 again. Is it about your comfort with what they believe? Or is it about their comfort

01:48:56.760 with you so you can share? And it's, it's hard to get past because we're humans.

01:49:01.520 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's something you got to work at. It doesn't come, it doesn't come

01:49:04.660 easy, but, um, Wes, man, thank you for coming on. Thank you for, uh, for the conversation.

01:49:10.720 I, I, should I ask you for plugs? I mean, where can people find the Meadow project?

01:49:15.880 Um, it's on Merkle media now. Um, Merkle dot media, I believe. Um, it's on there. There's

01:49:21.720 a bunch of like special features behind the scenes stuff on there as well. Um, if you're

01:49:26.080 not a member of the confessionals, um, we did a, we put out some like abandoned projects

01:49:37.000 for the 12 days of Christmas that were really fun. Um, it was like the idea for like doing

01:49:42.880 these like in-person investigations, but they just, it was an abandoned project, but there

01:49:47.720 were a lot of fun ideas in there. So we just released that. I cut those together. Um, it's

01:49:52.160 not serious. It's not, um, there's not a whole lot of information there. It was like

01:49:57.040 an idea that we're like, let's try this. And we're like, that didn't work out. And we

01:50:00.000 just put it out anyway for fun, uh, for members. But, uh, we might pick up that, that idea again.

01:50:06.860 It was like a, I don't know if you guys know Josh Gates, but, uh, expedite, uh, expedition

01:50:11.600 unknown destination truth. Um, he's like a fake Indiana Jones, but another one Indiana Jones.

01:50:18.400 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just like parroting his, his discovery channel.

01:50:25.840 Oh, I, you had shown us a little bit of, so that was hilarious. Yeah. Then the irony was

01:50:32.060 like in that, like I recorded like these voiceovers and stuff that like writing jokes that Tony

01:50:36.680 would eventually record and we just never got around to it. So if you watch them, like

01:50:40.000 I'm the voice of Tony in the videos, which is really silly. And like, it's just very, very

01:50:44.680 raw, unfinished, just loose. The members website. Yeah. Well, they're on the, um, they might

01:50:52.360 be on the members website. They're on YouTube for members. Oh, okay. This is why it's confusing.

01:50:58.360 All right. All right. All right. Well, I'll have to find that stuff. Well, thank you, Wes.

01:51:01.080 I appreciate it, brother. Uh, I appreciate it too. Love you guys. Thanks for having me back.

01:51:05.640 Love you too, man. We'll talk soon. Talk soon. Yeah, dude. This was fun. I like, I like the

01:51:09.620 way I like the way this episode turned out. The way you work. Yeah. No, I feel like all my episodes

01:51:13.820 do this where I'm like, I came to talk about things. And then we're like, anyway, this

01:51:18.560 is how you talk to people about Jesus. Well, I mean, that's a great way to, to, you know,

01:51:23.660 segue, uh, or a great thing to segue too. So I'm happy for it. I'm like, I'm like a youth

01:51:28.540 pastor. Like music. Let me tell you about the best musician of all time. Jesus. Oh boy.

01:51:36.300 We have a youth pastor now. All right. Yeah. NDS official youth pastor, but guys, great

01:51:42.220 episode. And until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

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Nephilim Death Squad - January 08, 2026

Stranger Things w⧸ Wesley Roth

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