Nephilim Death Squad - SUNDAY SHARE： Six Sensory Pod - Old World Mysteries, Psyops, & Pyramids w⧸ JT Follows JC

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00:01:10.560 What's up, guys?

00:01:11.680 Welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:01:14.540 Sort of.

00:01:14.960 This is a Sunday share.

00:01:16.660 And today, we're going to be presenting a friend of ours,

00:01:20.100 Tim Constantine of the Sixth Sensory Podcast.

00:01:22.780 We've had him on before to talk about what happened in 1947, banger episode.

00:01:28.060 And we just had him back on this Friday to talk about Hitler.

00:01:33.560 So, yeah, I mean, he impressed us.

00:01:37.140 And he has like a smaller show that we're hoping you guys will go over to and check it out.

00:01:42.060 Here's his episode with JT Follows JC.

00:01:45.540 It's a banger.

00:01:47.700 Please listen, and we'll catch you guys live on Monday, Tuesday, whenever.

00:01:53.700 Who knows, man?

00:01:55.140 Peace out.

00:01:55.740 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:02:07.900 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

00:02:12.020 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:02:20.980 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely

00:02:26.060 enormous.

00:02:27.300 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:02:28.460 There's some Nephilim shit.

00:02:29.620 It's like we all know it's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the

00:02:33.600 home of the brave.

00:02:35.160 They controlling this now, and no one's talking about how they made a spot to be slaves.

00:02:40.240 And everybody's just walking around, heading to clouds, and want to wake up to a dead in

00:02:44.320 the grave.

00:02:45.440 But unless you may, we need to be ready to raise up.

00:02:48.260 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:49.980 Everybody is slaves.

00:02:51.420 Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in their hands.

00:02:55.120 My guest today is a content creator.

00:02:58.340 He has a movie called Ancient Angels.

00:03:00.960 You can see it on his shirt here.

00:03:02.820 He has a show called JT's Mixtape.

00:03:06.220 JT, thanks for coming on.

00:03:08.740 Yeah, well, thanks for having me on.

00:03:10.060 Yeah, so I do make short videos, movies, and podcasts mostly.

00:03:16.840 And yeah.

00:03:18.280 Cool.

00:03:19.020 If I forgot anything there, you could tell people.

00:03:21.080 No, I mean, if you find me on anything, I've got a link tree, and I'm kind of putting most

00:03:27.600 of my focus on YouTube.

00:03:28.780 So if you just look up JT Follows JC, and then you can find a link in my description if

00:03:33.740 you want to see the movie.

00:03:35.520 Obviously, you can tell it's a play off Ancient Aliens, Ancient Angels.

00:03:40.520 I believe it's a more true depiction of the mythologies that the people talked about,

00:03:46.300 the megaliths.

00:03:47.480 They mentioned gods did it.

00:03:48.820 They didn't mention aliens did it.

00:03:50.120 So I think that that's why, and from a Christian perspective, it all centers around the gods

00:03:56.540 of these other religions were angels.

00:03:59.460 And that's, and also, obviously, giants and everything was mentioned, which is kind of

00:04:04.340 interesting in all the big buzz in the news recently is that the pyramids have these LIDAR

00:04:10.320 scans, and there are all these things under them.

00:04:13.300 Have you looked into that?

00:04:15.020 I have.

00:04:15.460 I have.

00:04:15.800 I looked into it briefly yesterday.

00:04:18.640 You know, I think it's funny because it was either yesterday or the day before when it

00:04:23.180 when it when the story like really broke, like in our community, right?

00:04:26.760 Like all the alternative people were talking about it on Instagram.

00:04:29.660 And so I was just like, oh, let me see what happens.

00:04:32.380 Let's see what happens if I put this into Google.

00:04:34.380 Let's see what the mainstream has to say about this.

00:04:36.960 And it's funny.

00:04:37.740 I took a screenshot of it.

00:04:39.120 But Google was running and and other like news outlets on Google were running a story

00:04:45.840 not about about the pyramids, but not about the the structures beneath them.

00:04:51.080 It was two separate narratives at the same time.

00:04:54.700 And Google was talking about they were running a story about how skeletons found in the pyramids

00:05:03.620 may not have been royalty.

00:05:06.560 So and that was that was about three or four different news outlets that Google was featuring

00:05:12.100 were running that same story.

00:05:13.380 And it's interesting because the overall narrative there is basically, you know, people still

00:05:18.880 think that these things are tombs, right?

00:05:21.940 So it's funny to see like people in our community talking about, oh, this LIDAR, man, these

00:05:29.140 there's like 2000 feet or something of structures beneath these things.

00:05:33.440 Yeah, it's like still talking about them being tombs.

00:05:37.060 Well, maybe I mean, maybe that's the yeah, I didn't know that's interesting because I was

00:05:42.280 more curious about why they're telling us now, because I I'm obviously skeptical of everything

00:05:47.160 they tell us.

00:05:47.840 And I think that and all the research I've done, I thought, well, of course, there's

00:05:52.160 things under them.

00:05:52.920 I knew that there was things under them.

00:05:54.740 Everybody's always said that there's stuff under Egypt and the idea that they just found

00:05:58.980 that out.

00:05:59.920 I find that really hard to believe.

00:06:02.660 I'm actually on board with that, too, that I should have probably led with that because

00:06:06.800 because I'm very I'm just going to watch from the bench on this.

00:06:10.920 I'm just going to see what happens.

00:06:11.880 Yeah, I want to see what they're going to say.

00:06:13.960 But no, it is interesting, though, that if you your favorite ancient archaeology content

00:06:21.300 creator posts about this.

00:06:23.800 And so you still have all these skeptical people.

00:06:26.340 Oh, I'm going to go see what blah, blah, blah.

00:06:29.100 The AP says about this.

00:06:30.820 And then they don't get a real story.

00:06:33.120 And so people are saying, oh, there's big pyramid news and they really don't know what it

00:06:36.080 is.

00:06:36.200 And they go to look for, yeah, their biggest mainstream media outlet and they direct them

00:06:42.300 to some story that's irrelevant.

00:06:45.160 Yeah, totally.

00:06:46.360 Yeah.

00:06:46.760 It's like so that's interesting, too.

00:06:48.700 Yeah.

00:06:48.880 That I thought that that was interesting.

00:06:51.160 It's like they didn't even like Google didn't even feature a tick tock video or anything.

00:06:55.440 And tick tock was on fire with this story that day.

00:06:59.940 And it just goes to show you that some people are still pushing this old dusty narrative that

00:07:05.840 they're not tombs.

00:07:07.600 I mean, maybe they buried a couple of dudes in there, but that's not why they built them.

00:07:11.140 In my opinion.

00:07:11.780 And I think that they I think they had multiple purposes.

00:07:15.780 What do you think they're used for?

00:07:19.260 Well, I think that some sort of ancient technology, some sort of maybe energy, maybe maybe there

00:07:26.760 is something to the chemical aspect of that, too.

00:07:28.960 You get that word, Kim, land of Kim.

00:07:32.340 Kim it.

00:07:32.960 Yeah.

00:07:33.360 And you got and you have alchemy if you look at the story of Isis.

00:07:37.960 Some of the earliest stories of alchemy involving Isis, and she was talking to angels, bro.

00:07:43.360 You know, that's how the story goes.

00:07:44.920 At least she's she was doing magic.

00:07:46.560 She's talking to angels.

00:07:48.320 She gets in touch with with an angel.

00:07:51.200 That angel cannot answer her questions.

00:07:53.320 So that angel refers her to like a higher angel in the hierarchy.

00:07:57.940 And then she learns the mysteries.

00:08:00.460 She learns alchemy and thus alchemy is kind of born in Egypt.

00:08:03.920 That's one version of the story of how that came to be.

00:08:06.800 So then you have alchem and all that.

00:08:10.160 So, yeah, I think that you have a blend of ancient technology, chemistry, and maybe some

00:08:17.060 other stuff happening there.

00:08:18.280 But what's interesting is if you look into a guy named John Kinneman, he's one of these

00:08:24.040 archaeologists that was sort of like forgotten by history.

00:08:26.800 They he worked for the Smithsonian at one point, but they kind of have erased this guy's legacy.

00:08:32.520 But he was doing in the 20s.

00:08:34.180 He was doing work on the Great Pyramid and he found a chamber in the south wall and they

00:08:39.000 found a record stored in there.

00:08:41.180 Oh, really?

00:08:41.940 I've never heard that.

00:08:42.440 I've never heard that.

00:08:43.280 Yes.

00:08:43.680 And it's been it's been swept up.

00:08:46.100 You know, it's been swept up really well.

00:08:47.980 This story has.

00:08:48.660 But like the in the records, apparently they were talking about how.

00:08:54.380 How they built the pyramids in the first place and they were using anti-gravity craft of some

00:08:58.860 sort.

00:08:59.280 So they had they were used they had advanced technology and they were making these probably

00:09:04.560 for some other type of for some reason involving that.

00:09:07.620 And they said that the Atlanteans, the records kind of pointed back to the Atlanteans doing

00:09:13.540 this, building those pyramids.

00:09:15.900 And of course, so Kinneman was under two governments at the time.

00:09:19.760 He was under the British government and, of course, the Egyptian government.

00:09:22.600 And they all got together, had a powwow and said, we're not going to talk about this.

00:09:26.360 So long story short, and I know I'm running long on this response, but I think it goes back

00:09:35.660 to Cain in the Bible, in Genesis, when Cain left after he killed Abel, he went off to start

00:09:41.640 his own civilization.

00:09:44.060 Enoch is in the bad Enoch is in his family line.

00:09:47.580 Lamech is in his family line.

00:09:49.920 Lamech had two kids or three kids, Jubal, Cain, Tubal and a girl named Nama.

00:09:56.360 And another one, actually, they were kind of in charge with, with kind of watching over

00:10:04.060 this knowledge that Cain had learned in the garden, but it's kind of turned into like dark

00:10:11.780 knowledge at this point.

00:10:13.000 It's like, it's the mysteries, it's the seven sacred sciences and all that stuff.

00:10:17.660 So I think that those people built the pyramid, somebody from Cain's line.

00:10:22.040 Because if you look up, if you look up a term called nine vaults on Google, you'll get the

00:10:31.060 Freemasons version of this story.

00:10:33.080 And the Freemasons version says that Tubal Cain and his brother had stored the knowledge

00:10:42.180 underneath the pyramids.

00:10:43.400 Yeah, I've heard, I've heard that.

00:10:47.080 Actually, I read Gary Wayne's book, The Genesis Six Conspiracy, and he talks a lot about that.

00:10:52.980 Yeah.

00:10:53.300 That they believe that some of the antediluvian knowledge was stored under there.

00:10:58.360 And, and then people like Thoth or Mercury are the ones who basically released it back

00:11:04.240 out into, for the people.

00:11:05.820 So long story short, I think that if you look at the John Kinnaman story and you look at

00:11:14.540 the nine vaults and the Freemasons record and a lot of the stuff, yeah, that Gary Wayne

00:11:18.340 talks about, I think the overall picture is you had.

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00:11:50.920 I know you have an older civilization called Atlantis or it's very Atlantis-like.

00:11:57.260 All the mythologies talk about this too, like a place like that.

00:12:00.900 And I think it probably started with Cain.

00:12:02.580 So that's, but here's the thing.

00:12:05.320 I'll be honest about this.

00:12:07.000 I don't know what they built the pyramids for, but I think, personally, I think they're

00:12:10.980 the ones who built them.

00:12:13.060 Yeah, I'm pretty much on board with what you're saying.

00:12:16.460 I think I've, like, especially in my movie, I've believed that the older, the most probably

00:12:24.060 impressive megaliths around the world, they were before the flood.

00:12:27.940 And I think it had something to do with giants.

00:12:30.440 So I think that that's why the blocks are so big.

00:12:34.000 And all the ancient mythologies all around the world, they always talk about giants being

00:12:39.580 associated with stone and megaliths.

00:12:42.240 So, but I think it's interesting.

00:12:44.140 Yeah.

00:12:44.260 Like the, it doesn't look like it was a tomb.

00:12:47.220 There was never any monomies found in these, in the Great Pyramid.

00:12:49.900 Um, I think it makes sense that it did have something to do with, um, maybe like an ancient

00:12:54.660 power station, or I have had Derek Olson on the podcast one time.

00:13:01.400 He's really good.

00:13:02.460 He's Stargate Voyager.

00:13:03.800 Oh yeah.

00:13:04.260 And he mentioned that he believed they could have something to do with some kind of healing

00:13:07.720 centers, which, which I do think it's interesting that we don't really know what those shafts

00:13:14.020 are made out of.

00:13:14.680 If they're made of just stone, maybe they could be metallic.

00:13:17.960 I mean, who knows, but it does look like they had some kind of coils around them.

00:13:21.560 It does kind of work with the idea that they had something to do with power, but yeah, it's

00:13:26.060 really incredible that I think I want to say that the Great Pyramid's about 500 feet.

00:13:33.420 And so like these, these pillars or whatever they are, are four times as big as the pyramid.

00:13:42.740 That's interesting.

00:13:43.520 Cause I mean, I was just talking, actually, I just did a live stream with my buddy, um, Brian

00:13:47.900 who, who was my partner on the movie.

00:13:50.680 And we were both saying like, that's really interesting that they'd be saying that out

00:13:54.500 loud because I don't think they can push that nonsense about how they claim the pyramid pyramids

00:14:00.960 were made in that same kind of way with something that's that massive that's under the ground.

00:14:06.300 I mean, like it does, I mean, it, it leads people to believe, yeah, that aliens had to do it.

00:14:12.480 Something else had to do it.

00:14:14.320 Yeah.

00:14:14.440 It had to be some kind of supernatural thing.

00:14:16.280 It had to be either that or it had to have, they must've had some technology that we're not

00:14:23.260 aware of, which, which obviously they did anyways.

00:14:25.440 Cause I think the mainstream narratives story about how they built the pyramids anyways, makes no sense.

00:14:30.620 But it, it almost feels like to me, like that they could not even try to float that idea

00:14:37.220 anymore because it would be ridiculous.

00:14:39.180 Yeah.

00:14:39.620 Thinking like these things are bigger than like the one world trade center in, in United States,

00:14:44.460 like in, um, in New York city.

00:14:46.400 Are you talking about the buried part?

00:14:48.260 Yeah.

00:14:48.400 The buried things that those pillars are taller than the tallest skyscrapers in America.

00:14:54.000 That's un it's unreal.

00:14:55.720 Yeah.

00:14:55.920 And they were picking up some sort of a spirals that was, I don't know if it's tubing or piping

00:15:04.400 or maybe a staircase or for them to get down in there and do stuff.

00:15:08.420 Who knows what that spiral is, but I thought that was interesting too.

00:15:11.140 It's, it's obviously functional.

00:15:12.920 It serves a purpose.

00:15:15.320 I mean, it doesn't seem like you, you wouldn't do that unless it did something.

00:15:19.440 I mean, especially eight of them.

00:15:20.560 That's why I said, I wonder if it had something to do with what if they had, they were going

00:15:24.940 down to some kind of water down there.

00:15:27.820 Cause that would make sense if it did have something to do with either healing or power.

00:15:32.000 Yeah.

00:15:32.280 Yeah.

00:15:32.820 I mean, I hope, I hope this pans out to be true, a true story.

00:15:37.160 And that will, I hope they don't just block it off.

00:15:39.920 Like they do everything else like they do with Petra.

00:15:42.160 They won't even let you go in down in there.

00:15:44.820 Like there's, there's all these, uh, underground tunnels under Petra.

00:15:49.700 That place is interesting too.

00:15:51.380 That was, they lie about that place too.

00:15:53.540 That was a, um, was it, uh, Herod was a, uh, who was Esau?

00:15:59.440 Edomite.

00:16:00.040 He was, there was an Edomite stronghold.

00:16:02.200 Yeah.

00:16:02.360 If you actually look in the Bible, it, I think it makes references to, it talks about the

00:16:06.140 fortified city.

00:16:07.540 Yeah.

00:16:07.900 And that makes sense that that's, that's that place.

00:16:10.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:16:11.940 Yes, man.

00:16:12.680 And I think they were storing, I think that was another one of these places where they were

00:16:16.120 storing knowledge personally.

00:16:17.340 Like, like throughout the ages, like, uh, they were probably, they probably had a lot

00:16:22.080 of riches there and a lot of knowledge there, like records and stuff, because it's, it's

00:16:26.640 one of the most defensible places on earth.

00:16:29.400 And it's unreal, unreal, unreal.

00:16:31.940 And like they say, I don't remember the name of the, there was a Bedouin tribe that ended

00:16:37.540 up settling there at one point.

00:16:39.100 Like the mainstream people say that, that the Bedouins built that.

00:16:43.300 Yeah.

00:16:43.840 It's, it's, it makes no sense.

00:16:45.620 It makes no sense.

00:16:46.240 Nomadic people built that.

00:16:47.620 Yeah.

00:16:47.920 Like, how does that make any sense?

00:16:49.920 I mean, I think what seems plain and obvious, um, that the climate, the ground, all the things

00:16:58.780 around those places is 100% different than when that was built.

00:17:03.520 Absolutely.

00:17:04.060 Because it's like you would build that in the middle of some kind of dusty desert where

00:17:07.800 you couldn't really farm and do all the, you know, like, what did they eat when they

00:17:12.120 were there?

00:17:12.600 They had toilets there.

00:17:14.100 They had ancient toilets there.

00:17:16.600 It was, there was some, it was some, there was so much different than it used to be.

00:17:19.600 I just like, there's no way it was like that.

00:17:21.540 And yeah, it makes no sense that somebody would just stumble upon that place and just start

00:17:26.700 carving out mountains.

00:17:27.620 It's yeah.

00:17:28.960 Yeah.

00:17:29.440 And there was a story that came out of there recently where they saw, so if you're, you

00:17:35.580 know, everybody remembers the scene from Indiana Jones and that one, that main, like you're

00:17:40.800 talking about, it's a building carved into a mountain.

00:17:43.040 It's very ornate.

00:17:44.580 There's, it looks like there's like a little natural courtyard out there in front of it.

00:17:48.020 Right.

00:17:48.400 And, and they, there was a sinkhole or something that happened there and they found, they

00:17:54.700 started excavating it and you can see there's a picture online they took of it.

00:17:58.940 And you can see that there's a tunnel, a very elaborate tunnel system down there.

00:18:04.120 And they've got that blocked off.

00:18:05.860 They put like, like, you know, if you've ever been in New York city and you're walking

00:18:09.020 down the sidewalk and they have those air vents, they put that, that grid type of thing on

00:18:14.580 there.

00:18:14.740 Like a, you know, like a, whatever it's called, like a, like a grate, they put one of those

00:18:19.580 over it and they won't let anybody down there.

00:18:21.680 It's like, you know, what are you hiding here?

00:18:23.860 Obviously they're hiding something and it's not the Bedouins who did this.

00:18:27.640 It was people who had, they had one of the most advanced irrigation systems.

00:18:32.900 They somehow figured out a way to reroute water in the middle of this desert to have

00:18:38.500 a constant natural little flowing stream throughout Petra.

00:18:43.520 And then they had these toilets and then it was obvious that people who were like royalty

00:18:48.620 were living there.

00:18:49.680 And, and it, and it looks like around the time when Herod built the temple that he had

00:18:55.960 his masons or Knights Templar or his version of that guarding that place.

00:19:02.320 So this is what excites me about talking to you and like, just talking about this kind

00:19:07.540 of stuff is like, we're on the verge of so many discoveries here.

00:19:11.740 I hope, I hope this stuff blows the lid off of, of what people think they know.

00:19:16.340 Maybe what do you and I think I know?

00:19:17.840 Like, like this pyramid thing.

00:19:19.220 I hope this, you know, you could get into inner earth.

00:19:22.100 Who knows what, what was happening down there?

00:19:25.120 Yeah.

00:19:25.280 I think that to me, my first reaction to the pyramid thing, cause yeah.

00:19:30.080 Cause when I didn't know like maybe how big those things were, I was kind of just like,

00:19:34.800 well, of course there's things under the pyramids.

00:19:36.520 There's things under everything I, in all the research I've done, there's tunnels under

00:19:42.640 everything.

00:19:43.960 I mean, like everything all around America, all around that region, you know, you get

00:19:50.540 into like places like Turkey, there's places where like cities under the ground where like

00:19:55.840 20,000 people could stay.

00:19:57.380 I mean, the real question to me is, did those used to be tunnels or was the, was these structures

00:20:05.440 that were covered up by the earth?

00:20:07.760 I mean, that's like the mud flood theory and all, whatever that was, which I don't think

00:20:11.640 it's really a theory.

00:20:12.480 There's, there's sediment layers up to maybe, maybe not up to, in many cases it's 45 feet

00:20:20.940 deep.

00:20:21.740 There's things under the earth that have been buried.

00:20:24.440 I mean, all of ancient Rome had to be excavated.

00:20:27.560 I mean, it's really crazy.

00:20:28.500 They don't teach us that in school, but if you look in just in North America under almost

00:20:34.740 every major city, there's these elaborate tunnel systems.

00:20:37.660 It makes no sense.

00:20:39.240 If you look at the timeline of when these, these cities were constructed.

00:20:42.540 So absolutely.

00:20:43.500 Yeah.

00:20:43.620 Of course, to me, there would obviously be tunnels under that because there's tunnels

00:20:47.340 under everywhere.

00:20:48.560 Like, but they don't talk about it.

00:20:49.900 Even like you were saying, New York city, I think it's really suspect that like places

00:20:54.120 like New York city have like these large areas of abandoned subways, supposedly subway systems.

00:21:01.640 Like, you know, like it's kind of like the, somehow the railroads got overbuilt in America

00:21:07.440 and somehow the subways got overbuilt in New York city.

00:21:10.400 Does that make any sense?

00:21:12.480 No, no.

00:21:12.900 It seems like really a lot of trouble went to making those things.

00:21:16.620 So they've got tunnels under central park there.

00:21:19.540 This is what I've been told by somebody who used to work for the, for the, um, for the

00:21:24.420 city there, they had to go down and there were, there were tunnels under central park, not

00:21:29.260 being used that were like 50 to a hundred feet underground.

00:21:33.000 And this person was talking about how that's, that's just a little blip.

00:21:37.160 Like that's just one example.

00:21:38.920 He said that these tunnels run under the whole city.

00:21:41.400 What's that for?

00:21:43.060 What was that for?

00:21:44.900 That's a great question.

00:21:46.080 That's what I'm saying.

00:21:46.720 It's like you, I think it's funny.

00:21:48.740 Like you watch movies and stuff and you see them going like down these abandoned parts

00:21:53.080 of these cities under the ground.

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00:22:23.900 You just don't think anything of it until you become an adult and you realize like that's

00:22:27.440 really big down there.

00:22:29.160 Like that's really strange.

00:22:30.920 Like that people were told in like a more primitive time would have done that only to do nothing

00:22:36.960 with it.

00:22:38.260 It makes no, it makes no sense to me.

00:22:40.640 But like that's like that story is consistent with everywhere.

00:22:43.720 Like you see, you know, like places like Atlanta, it's got an underground section of it.

00:22:48.760 Well, it's really small, so nobody really thinks of it.

00:22:50.780 But it's like, but that's only the part they show you.

00:22:54.280 Places like Seattle have an underground part and it's kind of small, but it's, I think it

00:22:58.540 likely goes under the whole footprint of the city.

00:23:01.440 You know, like these, this is, this is consistent.

00:23:03.900 And you have like kind of these old world buildings and places like Chicago and you, you hear from

00:23:10.380 the people who work there.

00:23:11.680 Yeah.

00:23:12.080 There's tunnel systems that link all the buildings together.

00:23:16.020 That's really weird that they used to do this all the time.

00:23:19.680 And now we do nothing like that.

00:23:21.260 I don't know.

00:23:21.900 It's like, to me, that's, that, um, I guess, you know, if the, if a normie heard there's

00:23:29.560 stuff under the pyramids, they'd probably be blown away and they would just say, Oh, well,

00:23:33.180 there's maybe there's a lot of interesting things under Egypt, but they don't understand

00:23:37.520 that there's interesting things under their own feet.

00:23:40.000 Yeah.

00:23:40.480 Probably where they live.

00:23:41.260 They live in the city.

00:23:42.880 Yeah.

00:23:43.260 I'm going to pull up this picture here.

00:23:44.680 I want to show you this.

00:23:45.600 Uh, cause you mentioned Seattle and I'm like, I'm everything you're saying right now.

00:23:54.600 I'm resonating with, have you seen this picture before?

00:23:57.640 Yeah, that's absolutely bonkers.

00:24:00.200 Like what was going on then?

00:24:01.880 Yeah.

00:24:02.360 And I know we're talking about tunnels, but this is supposedly Seattle before it was built.

00:24:07.620 But you know, if you look closely in the background, you'll see this shapes like this, that looks

00:24:13.800 like a little building.

00:24:14.640 And this is obviously a building and it looks like a modern building too at that.

00:24:18.900 Yeah.

00:24:19.600 But, um, these mounts and okay, look down here at the, at the bottom too.

00:24:24.680 You see how there's layers of sediment there.

00:24:27.120 Yeah.

00:24:27.480 And the more I looked at this picture, the more I realized this looks like rubble.

00:24:31.240 Like, like they were tearing into some sort of a structure that was down there.

00:24:36.020 And like, like, I don't know, like it, like if there was a building underneath this mound,

00:24:40.140 it looks like they went down in there and they, you know, did away with it.

00:24:45.540 Yeah.

00:24:46.140 What I see is they were excavating this place.

00:24:49.800 I think that's what I've, that's what I've come to believe.

00:24:52.440 I mean, I know there's, you can never prove this, but just like if you see, if you can

00:24:57.800 look up pictures of like the Colosseum from like the earliest pictures we have of that,

00:25:03.320 there's, there's the same kind of mounds around it.

00:25:05.480 And yeah.

00:25:05.860 And like, people just don't mention that the fact that, that Rome was buried, like good

00:25:11.440 portions of it.

00:25:12.640 I mean, that's the funny thing is like, you know, specifically in, in Rome and in all over

00:25:17.700 Europe, they accidentally discover Roman things all the time.

00:25:21.700 It's like, it's comical that they accidentally discover Roman buildings, Roman cities under the

00:25:26.620 ground.

00:25:26.920 And nobody even stops to wonder how the city got buried like fully.

00:25:34.340 Yeah.

00:25:35.360 I mean, and then people, I mean, like, so literally we have built our civilization on top of an

00:25:40.200 older one, but the history books don't write about that.

00:25:43.300 So then you, you look all, I mean, I would say that the best evidence of the kind of stuff

00:25:48.280 we're talking about here in America is the West coast, because not because these, this

00:25:53.360 is not consistent all around the whole country, but it's more consistent with like, well, it's

00:26:00.060 less feasible.

00:26:01.160 I mean, the idea that there's tunnels under old cities like New York is really, you know,

00:26:06.160 people could say, well, I don't know, they could justify it because it, because people

00:26:09.900 have been living in New York city for a long time.

00:26:11.600 But when you see like timelines, like places like Seattle, like nobody lived there, like

00:26:17.220 in the 1870s, it was like basically nobody lived there.

00:26:20.380 And then before you know it, like Seattle is, looks like it does today.

00:26:25.140 And how did that happen?

00:26:26.600 And the idea that it burned down, it flooded and blah, blah, blah.

00:26:31.680 And then they built on top of the older city in still, again, this very short time span.

00:26:37.960 And what we're taught is that like, that people like miners and people like that were going

00:26:42.060 out there.

00:26:42.540 So they had the ability to build cities twice and they were very resilient because all their

00:26:47.660 places burned down.

00:26:49.020 And then they just have these underground sections of it.

00:26:51.360 It's, it's comical again, like Portland's another good example of that.

00:26:54.780 I think they call it the Shanghai tunnels under Portland.

00:26:57.680 Obviously a bunch of, a bunch of shady stuff was going on and there were people getting

00:27:01.920 kidnapped and, well, a lot of times.

00:27:05.300 I think they're in Utah too, man.

00:27:07.020 Oh, I'm sure they're every, I mean, I'm telling you, they're, they're literally everywhere,

00:27:10.240 but specifically you have places like that and they talk about prohibition and things like

00:27:17.100 that.

00:27:17.340 Oh, well, they were used for smuggling booze or whatever.

00:27:20.140 Well, I mean, I'm sure after these tunnel, once people realized these tunnels existed,

00:27:25.280 they were used for whatever shady reasons they wanted them to use them for human trafficking

00:27:30.200 and everything.

00:27:31.540 But that's not why those, that's not why they were built though.

00:27:34.680 Right.

00:27:35.460 You know, they were, they were already, they were already there.

00:27:38.800 They were already there.

00:27:39.640 And yeah, I mean, we have our work cut out for us as to the why.

00:27:44.000 I mean, let me tell you about Nashville, man.

00:27:45.880 We have those tunnels in Nashville, people who have lived here for a long time, everybody

00:27:51.280 knows about the tunnels.

00:27:53.440 Now there used to be an entrance that you could go down there and, and, and explore and it's

00:27:58.780 underneath Vanderbilt.

00:28:00.200 So I think all these college kids were going down there and they eventually just blocked

00:28:04.920 it off.

00:28:05.380 Like they have a, a locked gate down there now you can't get in.

00:28:09.560 But anyways, um, a couple, maybe a year or two ago, I was doing some research and,

00:28:15.880 and I was looking at old civil war stuff and I came across this old newspaper.

00:28:21.300 It's not in print anymore.

00:28:22.380 It's called ages in the intelligence, sir.

00:28:24.820 And I saw there was an article there that said Nashville, it said subterranean Nashville.

00:28:29.700 I was like, Oh, this is interesting.

00:28:31.240 So I read the, the article.

00:28:33.740 Now this was about four or five years, if I remember after the civil war was over.

00:28:38.460 So they were kind of, it looked like, it seemed to me like they were looking around at some

00:28:45.860 of these entrances to these old tunnels that had been blown open, or maybe the, the army

00:28:50.960 was using them or something.

00:28:52.580 But what's interesting is they're describing what's in these tunnels and they were talking

00:28:58.460 about how there was a sarcophagus in there.

00:29:00.760 They were talking about how this is in Nashville, Tennessee, a sarcophagus.

00:29:05.220 There was a huge vases with Eastern, some foreign language on them and all this others.

00:29:13.920 Oh, they're like, like, like knives with like strange engravings on the handles and stuff.

00:29:19.180 But here's the thing.

00:29:19.840 Like they said, the tunnel went for at least a mile underground and the tunnel came out or

00:29:26.560 ended at Fort Negley, which is a star fort.

00:29:30.760 Oh, really?

00:29:31.340 Yeah.

00:29:31.580 That's really interesting.

00:29:32.420 That's really interesting.

00:29:33.640 This whole article, it just, it blew my mind.

00:29:36.640 And like the people in the article were talking about how, yeah, there was an ancient, they

00:29:41.880 said ancient race here.

00:29:43.520 There was an ancient race here.

00:29:45.300 And this is evidence of their ancient civilization.

00:29:48.280 So if this article is at all true, there was, Nashville's been around for a long time,

00:29:56.120 guys.

00:29:56.340 It's just not been called Nashville.

00:29:57.700 This is like an ancient city here.

00:30:00.040 Yeah.

00:30:00.500 But what's, what's, what's kind of funny too, is that, so what another Tennessee city is

00:30:04.880 Memphis, right?

00:30:06.380 And so then you have Memphis, Egypt, which was like the capital of Egypt at one point.

00:30:10.800 So Memphis, Tennessee.

00:30:12.140 And then I think it's funny, you have the Bass Pro Shop.

00:30:15.800 It's like the 10th largest pyramid in the whole world there.

00:30:18.820 But what's funny is like, you also had, was it, was it a centennial celebration in Nashville?

00:30:24.480 I think in like the, might've been 18, whatever, like 1897, maybe?

00:30:33.020 Yeah.

00:30:33.260 Yeah.

00:30:33.440 Something like that.

00:30:34.480 It was like a hundred years in the union or something.

00:30:36.980 And yeah, when they built out the Parthenon and they built a pyramid and all this stuff,

00:30:42.320 and of course, supposedly it was all temporary, which I think it's really, really sus that they

00:30:48.200 built a temporary Parthenon that's life size there.

00:30:51.720 And then the people liked it so much.

00:30:53.720 This is the story they say.

00:30:55.040 They liked it so much that they tore the temporary one down and they built a real one.

00:30:59.800 And it just, it makes no sense.

00:31:02.380 Yeah.

00:31:02.520 Like there's a, literally a Parthenon in Nashville and they built that.

00:31:08.800 Yeah.

00:31:09.260 I don't know.

00:31:10.020 I mean,

00:31:10.280 I know, man, that's,

00:31:11.580 there's something really weird.

00:31:12.720 There's something really weird about that, that I don't know why people, anybody believes

00:31:16.700 this stuff.

00:31:17.200 I just can't wrap my mind around it.

00:31:19.460 I love this, the centennial stuff.

00:31:21.440 I'm glad you brought it up.

00:31:22.380 Here's one of, here's like the pamphlet for it.

00:31:26.660 And you could see there's the Parthenon he's talking about there.

00:31:31.240 And you could see these people, they have all these like, my thing is not wanting to

00:31:35.840 work with me today here.

00:31:37.340 I can't blow it up for some reason, but you can see there's all this ancient stuff.

00:31:41.600 It looks like, you know, artifacts and stuff.

00:31:43.380 There's like a, an Asian symbol of some sort there on, on, it's just, it's eclectic, right?

00:31:49.760 There.

00:31:50.020 Yeah.

00:31:50.360 And I, I think that they were finding artifacts here personally.

00:31:55.080 And I think that fueled a lot of these decisions.

00:31:57.220 Like, you know, like they're, they seem to be like infatuated with Egypt because they

00:32:02.520 built this pyramid.

00:32:03.580 I think you mentioned that.

00:32:05.080 Here it is.

00:32:05.420 There's a picture of it.

00:32:06.520 So they, they built that or, or they tore it down and there's no explanation.

00:32:16.360 Yeah.

00:32:16.420 That's really weird.

00:32:17.600 I mean, it's funny that in all these, you know, uh, world fair type things, they always

00:32:23.660 built really Roman things, but that's one of the rare instances where you see they built

00:32:27.260 a pyramid.

00:32:28.020 It's like they built, it was all Greco Roman stuff they built.

00:32:31.960 It's almost like that was already here.

00:32:35.980 It's almost like it was already here.

00:32:38.100 And, and this is wild too, man.

00:32:39.600 I got to show you this one.

00:32:40.440 So this is to the left.

00:32:42.140 This picture is that pyramid.

00:32:44.420 They also built this, or they said they built this little building.

00:32:48.220 It's called the Pythian building.

00:32:50.180 And, uh, I looked into it and there's not, it's like a secret society of some sort.

00:32:54.920 There's not a lot about it on the internet.

00:32:57.380 Um, but look at this tower back here, man.

00:33:01.300 Do you see that?

00:33:01.800 It looks like a, it looks like a radio tower.

00:33:04.140 Yeah.

00:33:04.740 What was that doing there?

00:33:07.600 It was probably all lit up.

00:33:09.140 I mean, that's the thing.

00:33:09.820 It's like the electricity was brand new, but they were like, obviously they lit everything

00:33:13.880 up in these places.

00:33:14.960 Yeah.

00:33:15.840 Yeah.

00:33:16.240 I mean, there's pictures of it at night.

00:33:18.020 Really interesting.

00:33:18.760 I mean, that, that pyramid looks like it's pretty big because that Parthenon is not small.

00:33:23.960 It's actually really big.

00:33:25.820 Like, like when you see it, I think was there, isn't there a Athena's in there now?

00:33:31.460 They put a statue in there and it's, I want to say it's like 36 feet tall.

00:33:35.420 Oh, it's, it's 48 or 49 feet tall.

00:33:38.920 Oh, is it?

00:33:39.320 Is that big?

00:33:39.780 Yeah.

00:33:39.940 I mean, it's huge.

00:33:41.000 Huge.

00:33:42.120 It's, it's like, it's like being, it's not, it's not even like being in another country

00:33:47.760 in Europe.

00:33:48.260 It's like being somewhere further off the beaten path.

00:33:52.580 You know, it's, it's just so exotic, right?

00:33:55.500 Yeah.

00:33:56.120 It's this tall goddess.

00:33:58.480 She's decked out in gold.

00:33:59.840 She's holding Nike.

00:34:01.340 That goddess.

00:34:02.120 A little Nike.

00:34:02.460 The god of victory.

00:34:03.900 Their serpent iconography.

00:34:05.500 There's stuff in there that guys like you and me could like pick apart for an hour in

00:34:09.560 that one, in a, you know, in that one room.

00:34:11.500 You know, it's, it's, to me, the, the story of the United States really makes hardly any

00:34:17.020 sense because I, I just don't see that in that time period, which the United States would

00:34:23.920 have been by and large, a very Christian country back then.

00:34:27.640 Churches everywhere, right?

00:34:30.080 You know, we're told that basically the founding fathers were Christians, but they were really

00:34:33.900 deists.

00:34:34.760 But at the same time, if I imagine that places like Nashville would have been pretty conservative

00:34:40.800 and the idea that they were going to build some temple to some false god in there.

00:34:47.640 I don't know.

00:34:47.960 It just seems, it seems unbelievable to me that people would say, you're going to spend

00:34:52.680 tax money on what?

00:34:54.360 On that?

00:34:55.520 Yeah.

00:34:56.060 Nah, nah, we're not going to do that.

00:34:58.060 It was another interesting thing is I know we just played recently, we played a video on

00:35:01.560 that, that podcast you mentioned, my JT's mixtape, that there was an old book about this

00:35:09.280 temple that got flooded in Tennessee.

00:35:13.160 I can't, I'm not sure what dam it was, but yeah, like they had this old temple and I think

00:35:17.300 the people mentioned it might have some kind of connection with Egypt, but they weren't

00:35:21.680 really sure.

00:35:22.580 I think, yeah.

00:35:23.480 So I think scholars maybe from Oxford, I'm a little hazy on the details, came in and looked

00:35:29.880 at it and they said it wasn't, they thought it was an old Egyptian temple and some of

00:35:36.220 those guys said it dated back to Gobekli Tempe are older.

00:35:40.340 Now imagine that, like we're told Gobekli Tempe is like the oldest site.

00:35:45.220 Yeah.

00:35:45.440 Uh, on earth.

00:35:47.860 Now these guys were saying there's one old, as old or older in Tennessee and what did they

00:35:53.940 do?

00:35:54.720 They, uh, they told them you have like a couple of days to finish up your excavation and we're

00:35:59.920 going to dump concrete in this.

00:36:02.680 Basically they built a dam, uh, the TVA, I guess it's called the whole area is called Lake

00:36:08.640 or Teleco Lake.

00:36:09.760 Now, um, it was just a river flowing through there.

00:36:13.420 And I want to do a whole episode on this one day because I went and looked into that

00:36:17.860 Teleco Lake region.

00:36:19.460 There were seven Cherokee cities along that river there that are all flooded now.

00:36:25.320 But here's the thing, the Cherokee, when they settled there, they settled on top of the ruins

00:36:30.040 of some ancient civilization for sure.

00:36:34.100 Yeah, that's really interesting.

00:36:35.040 That's really interesting.

00:36:36.120 I mean, I think, I know that some people might get upset me saying this.

00:36:40.060 I've said it on my podcast a couple of times.

00:36:41.580 I think what this, the history we're taught about the native Americans, quote unquote,

00:36:47.020 native Americans.

00:36:48.780 I think it's, it's, it's fiction.

00:36:51.840 I'm not saying there wasn't nomadic people who lived here, but it seems pretty crazy to

00:36:56.700 me that you had all these people who lived here much longer than us and they had no structures.

00:37:02.500 They built nothing.

00:37:04.180 That seems really hard to believe for me.

00:37:06.720 I think that the people who were here before the Europeans, our forefathers, I believe it

00:37:14.360 was a multi-ethnic people.

00:37:18.160 They were here.

00:37:18.940 And I think they lived in cities.

00:37:20.740 Maybe some of these cities were kind of like abandoned, but I mean, I'm kind of coming to

00:37:24.920 that conclusion that, yeah, it makes sense that there was things here before anybody got

00:37:31.200 here.

00:37:31.520 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 Well, the, the rumor is about one of those Cherokee cities down there.

00:37:35.320 I think it was Citico or Citico is what they called it.

00:37:38.740 Um, it apparently it had streets.

00:37:41.360 I've heard it had paved streets from some accounts and they had buildings there that it

00:37:46.260 was, it was like a proper city.

00:37:48.280 Now, did the Cherokee build that?

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00:38:19.900 Cause, cause all of the Native American legends, like you say, if you look at them, they all

00:38:23.660 say, no, most of this stuff was here when we got here.

00:38:26.500 It points back to an ancient race like that article said, but here's the thing.

00:38:32.000 Uh, I agree with you.

00:38:33.280 That ancient race was probably a multi-ethnic, like you're saying.

00:38:37.660 I mean, uh, that's why in the Nashville article, you've got a sarcophagus, you got something

00:38:42.300 from, you know, basically Egypt.

00:38:44.020 And, and then you have, uh, these other items down there that didn't have Egyptian hieroglyphs

00:38:49.180 on them.

00:38:49.440 They had some other language.

00:38:50.880 They look like Greek or something.

00:38:52.340 Right.

00:38:53.080 And then, and then you've got the, uh, when you look at the old ships, they found on the

00:38:56.700 Mississippi, you've got the, it looks like the Phoenicians were here.

00:39:00.800 Um, there's evidence that the Minoans were here.

00:39:03.820 Um, I have an old article or a new article about how they found, they just found a, an,

00:39:09.620 a Canaanite ship.

00:39:11.160 Uh, that's 3,400 years old.

00:39:15.220 So the Canaanites were probably coming over here too.

00:39:17.560 And that's interesting because, um, a lot of people have connected, you know, like the,

00:39:21.880 the Phoenicians would have been Canaanites, you know, like maybe sometimes, maybe it's

00:39:26.660 just a, um, a semantic issue.

00:39:28.840 But I mean, I think some people have connected, uh, the Philistines as being Phoenicians because

00:39:34.380 they were known, I think to the Egyptians that see people.

00:39:36.620 So yeah, it's kind of interesting, like, but I mean, I don't think that mainstream, the

00:39:41.920 mainstream history is trying to corroborate things that are biblical.

00:39:45.580 No.

00:39:46.080 So that's probably why we don't get told that.

00:39:47.960 Uh, you know, it's interesting too, as I, I did a long, when I was back, when I was focused

00:39:52.360 on TikTok and I was making lots of videos, I did quite a few videos about the Hoover

00:39:56.020 Dam.

00:39:57.260 And I thought it was really interesting when I found out when they created the Hoover

00:40:02.280 Dam, Lake Mead flooded out.

00:40:04.700 I don't even know how many acres.

00:40:06.120 I mean, like ridiculous amount of, amount of stuff, but there was a, supposedly there

00:40:12.980 was an Anasazi city under there.

00:40:15.760 And so Anasazi means ancient ones.

00:40:18.000 And I think like the Hopi and the Pueblo Indians, I believe they claim, uh, ancestry back to the

00:40:23.640 Anasazi.

00:40:25.420 Well, the city that was flooded there, they said there were structures that were up to

00:40:30.300 a hundred rooms in there.

00:40:33.200 So like you, I know when, when I originally thought a city, uh, like kind of a native American

00:40:38.200 city, I'm thinking like mud huts, but if something had a hundred rooms in it, that's not a mud

00:40:43.680 hut.

00:40:43.900 That's like a legit, that's a legit building.

00:40:46.460 So what's under there.

00:40:49.100 I mean, and the, the thing I'm saying is not a, is not a conspiracy because you can look

00:40:53.640 it up.

00:40:53.940 I think there's, it might be even like lake me.gov.

00:40:57.640 Like there's a story.

00:40:58.620 It'll tell you that because I read it straight off their website.

00:41:00.560 I was like, Whoa, that's, that's insane.

00:41:03.860 So, I mean, like the Anasazi were told was this civilization that was here a thousand

00:41:10.740 years before basically anybody got here and they just disappeared.

00:41:16.180 That's really weird.

00:41:17.220 That's really weird.

00:41:17.920 So, I mean, so there was obviously things here.

00:41:19.780 And I think that if you go out West, there is like cliff dwellings and weird stuff like

00:41:24.740 that and they, the Anasazi is always giving credit for it, but I don't know it, to me,

00:41:30.080 it seems strange that if there wasn't things out East that people built, because if there's

00:41:35.940 things that are a thousand years old out West, why wouldn't there be things here on the, on

00:41:40.740 the Eastern part of the United States?

00:41:43.500 Yeah.

00:41:43.740 Yeah.

00:41:43.960 I mean, there's, there's a lot of evidence.

00:41:48.100 This is where it's hard to explain this to people it, because I think.

00:41:54.740 You have giants in the mix.

00:41:57.100 It's hard to convince some people of that.

00:42:00.120 You know, I, I think that a lot of these people we're talking about who, who predate the

00:42:03.720 Native Americans were possibly giants.

00:42:05.740 I mean, they said that they were giants.

00:42:08.060 Well, yeah.

00:42:08.360 If you ask them, that's what they'll say.

00:42:10.040 So, you know, there's that.

00:42:12.940 And then, then there, you have to kind of go into this idea that there may have been a

00:42:17.140 coverup.

00:42:17.640 And I think that there was, I mean, there was a guy who worked for the Smithsonian.

00:42:22.160 His name is.

00:42:24.220 Yeah.

00:42:24.880 John Wesley Powell.

00:42:27.260 One of the things he very interesting guy, man.

00:42:30.180 Like he was a part, just a side note.

00:42:32.000 He was a part of what's called the Cosmos club.

00:42:34.440 If you ever get a wild hair, look into that.

00:42:36.760 It's they, their building is still in Washington, DC.

00:42:39.020 It looks like a, like a league of extraordinary gentlemen, like X-Men type place.

00:42:43.340 It's still there.

00:42:44.120 He was a part of this weird.

00:42:45.280 And I think they had like an airship society there of some sort, but he was like one of these

00:42:49.780 elite guys who worked for the Smithsonian who had his, his hands in all these different

00:42:52.980 pies.

00:42:53.380 One of the things he was tasked with was like directing the rail, the railway, like where

00:42:59.480 they're going to build the railroads.

00:43:01.760 And when you look into it, the story, he goes, he blazes right through these ancient sites

00:43:08.820 and they demolished them and put a railroad through there.

00:43:11.440 And it's almost like they did that intentionally.

00:43:13.820 Like they, they wanted to clean up.

00:43:16.120 They wanted to, you know, manifest destiny.

00:43:18.700 Right.

00:43:19.080 That's what I think Teleco Lake and the dam there and the old temple there and why that's

00:43:23.560 all underwater today.

00:43:24.540 I think that falls under this, uh, great idea that people had to, to cover things up for

00:43:31.800 manifest destiny.

00:43:32.800 Like we, we need these people to look like savages.

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00:44:04.840 So we can justify coming in here and taking their land.

00:44:09.300 Yeah, I, that makes sense to me.

00:44:12.400 Um, you know, it wasn't Powell was also the one who named all the temples in the Grand Canyon,

00:44:18.920 all the rock formations, right?

00:44:20.940 Yeah.

00:44:21.400 He was the one who did.

00:44:22.160 So obviously if you go, there's another real famous dam in Utah.

00:44:25.800 I forgot what that one's called, but, um, it created like Powell.

00:44:29.180 As a kid, my, my family went up there and we, we, we stayed on a houseboat for a week

00:44:34.100 there.

00:44:34.500 Really amazing place.

00:44:36.160 But yeah, so there's all kinds of Arizona.

00:44:39.240 Uh, that's in Utah.

00:44:40.560 Okay.

00:44:40.860 Okay.

00:44:41.320 Yeah, that's in Utah.

00:44:42.280 And so I think that there's also other cities that are under like Powell.

00:44:47.220 Really?

00:44:47.640 It's a real, I mean, if you wanted to, if you believe in other planets, like the way that

00:44:52.080 you're taught, um, that place looks like another one, like so many of those places, some of

00:44:57.800 those places out there just looks so crazy with all the limestone and just weird rock formations.

00:45:02.440 I was thinking about like Powell, like it's either Lake Powell that you're talking about,

00:45:06.520 or it's another lake very similar to it that where they filmed the Planet of the Apes movie,

00:45:10.860 because it looks like it's another planet out there.

00:45:13.020 I believe it.

00:45:13.900 There was another place we went.

00:45:15.680 Um, I met my buddy, Brian, who I said, I'm partners with on, uh, quite a few ventures,

00:45:22.400 but my wife and I went out to Vegas and there's a place called the Valley of Fire, probably

00:45:29.020 about a little, a little under an hour outside of Vegas.

00:45:32.540 And that's one of those places that looks like it's been melted and you go and there's like

00:45:38.480 the rocks and just the weird things you, you just, it does not look like, like real life

00:45:44.260 when you go there.

00:45:45.060 And if there's, I think I want to say it was called, um, domes, white domes is the trail.

00:45:50.020 And there's a sign of all the Hollywood movies that were filmed in there because it's, because

00:45:55.280 it is, it's like, this is the, if you want to make a movie about Mars, film it here.

00:45:59.480 Cause that's what it, that's what you could imagine it would look like.

00:46:02.500 I think that, I think there's multiple ways that they erased these sites.

00:46:09.020 And I think railways was just one way.

00:46:12.420 I think the dams for sure was another way.

00:46:15.540 Um, cause I've looked into the numbers for the dams, which is really strange.

00:46:21.860 Um, there's, it's hard to get like a real clear cut number for dams.

00:46:26.440 Um, I think what I saw was upwards to 85,000 in North America.

00:46:34.980 And then I was looking for a worldwide number of dams and the number I kept getting was 60,000

00:46:42.120 worldwide, but yet they're saying we have like 89,000 here.

00:46:47.820 So yeah, I just looked it up.

00:46:48.700 I just looked it up.

00:46:49.460 Cause I've, I've, I've, you know, I've, I've probably misquoted a stat because I knew I heard

00:46:54.920 that like 90% of the dams in the world were in the United States.

00:46:58.160 And then I looked it up and then they said there was a lot more in China, but it says

00:47:01.740 that in 2022, there was nearly 92,000 dams in the United States.

00:47:08.420 So like that seems, it seems almost impossible.

00:47:12.140 I don't know how it even works.

00:47:13.580 That seems look, I can kind of get behind that number because we are the United States.

00:47:19.200 We should have a good handle on how many dams are here.

00:47:21.820 It seems like the worldwide number was a little off.

00:47:24.980 Yeah.

00:47:25.160 Or if the worldwide number was real, that means we have 90,000 of them here compared to the

00:47:32.120 rest of the world who only has, who has less than 90,000.

00:47:35.460 But anyways, like, I don't know what's up with the numbers there, but okay.

00:47:39.500 Let's say we have 90,000 dams here.

00:47:41.360 Those, that, that could account for tons of ancient sites.

00:47:47.540 Yeah.

00:47:47.560 That's 90,000 lakes, right?

00:47:49.480 Yeah.

00:47:50.980 To like, yeah.

00:47:51.440 What's under those lakes?

00:47:52.660 Right.

00:47:53.600 All those valleys that were flooded.

00:47:56.040 Yeah.

00:47:56.600 I mean, there's the, there's just really no telling.

00:47:58.740 I mean, but yeah, like that we already know that just based on not being conspiratorial,

00:48:05.080 we know that there's ancient cities under there in Tennessee, there's an ancient temple

00:48:11.200 under there, but yeah, the normies have no idea about any of that stuff.

00:48:16.520 They don't care, I guess.

00:48:18.580 Yeah.

00:48:18.840 I think it's just like the star fort thing, man.

00:48:21.420 It's like, I have fun with this at work.

00:48:24.560 Star forts are fascinating.

00:48:26.280 They're fascinating.

00:48:27.120 And I was going, when I found out about them a couple of years ago, I was going around

00:48:32.280 to all like my, my quote, normie friends, I love them, but you know, they're not, they're

00:48:37.260 not into this stuff.

00:48:38.100 So, and I was asking them, have you ever heard of a star fort?

00:48:40.520 Nobody had ever heard of them.

00:48:42.660 People just, because it, because it wasn't talked about in school.

00:48:45.920 There's, I don't know if there's a documentary out now or not, but there's not in any of the

00:48:50.140 documentaries.

00:48:50.620 It's like this strange, bizarre, really interesting element of our past star forts has never been

00:48:59.000 talked about.

00:49:00.040 And why is that?

00:49:01.480 Why is that?

00:49:02.280 But they're all over the place.

00:49:04.240 You would think that, you would think that we'd be taught about them because they're so

00:49:07.120 impressive.

00:49:07.560 Cause I mean, I think that when you do, when you do learn a little bit about them, yeah,

00:49:12.800 there's, it's something that should be in the history books because they are like incredible

00:49:16.580 feats of engineering and not just the structure, because literally.

00:49:20.620 Those things are like the, the lane is terraformed to create them.

00:49:25.760 So not only did they create the most elaborate, like brick and stone structures you could ever

00:49:30.760 imagine, but yeah, the, literally the ground is terraformed to form this.

00:49:35.620 And a lot of times in, in many cases they have like canals around them.

00:49:39.740 I mean, and they did this when, how, I think that's why they don't tell you about it.

00:49:45.720 Cause well, for one, there's the when in that, the when is, is wrong and the how is definitely

00:49:52.100 wrong.

00:49:52.580 So I think that they just rather just not talk about it.

00:49:56.620 That's why I love that article so much.

00:49:58.620 Like just, I'm, I'm like so grateful that I ran into that strange article about Nashville

00:50:04.200 because that, that kind of points to this too, that these star forts are older.

00:50:08.280 Like they, they, they predate the modern era.

00:50:11.400 They go back to an older time or something.

00:50:14.460 Have you ever read, um, uh, John Levi's book?

00:50:18.400 You know, John Levi's on YouTube.

00:50:20.060 He's a really got a great channel as far as like kind of like lost history.

00:50:24.140 He, he read a book called evidence of the old world.

00:50:28.040 Okay.

00:50:29.400 I haven't read that.

00:50:30.360 I'm going to check it out.

00:50:31.140 Yeah.

00:50:31.360 You should definitely check it out.

00:50:32.560 It's, it mostly centers around San Francisco and the beginning of the book kind of talks

00:50:37.300 about how San Francisco is on older maps, like from like the 1500s and, but which is a problem

00:50:44.800 for this narrative because supposedly San Francisco was not discovered by the Spanish until 1776.

00:50:50.780 So it appears on maps over 200 years before it was ever discovered.

00:50:57.020 It's literally on there saying San Francisco, like in that area.

00:51:00.660 And so he goes on to talk about some of these maps from the 1500s.

00:51:06.200 Well, you said, you said before that you were from North Carolina.

00:51:10.740 So I'm sure you're aware of the lost colony of Roanoke Island.

00:51:15.200 So where I'm at in Virginia, we're really close to Jamestown, which is the first permanent

00:51:20.680 British settlement in the country.

00:51:23.380 It would have been Roanoke Island, but we don't know what happened to them.

00:51:28.500 That's why they call them the lost colony.

00:51:30.560 But John Smith, I believe he was the head guy at, in Roanoke Island.

00:51:35.760 And the story goes that he went back to Great Britain for supplies and he doesn't come back

00:51:42.180 for three years.

00:51:42.820 I guess that's kind of weird to me, but he doesn't come back for three years.

00:51:45.360 And when he gets back, there's no one there.

00:51:48.080 That's the story.

00:51:48.980 What happened to him?

00:51:50.040 Was it giants?

00:51:51.100 Did they all die of some kind of thing?

00:51:52.640 I don't know.

00:51:53.200 Was it just Native Americans killed him?

00:51:55.720 We don't really know.

00:51:56.920 That's really not important for this story because the interesting part was that John

00:52:01.840 Smith, while he was there, he was working on maps.

00:52:05.600 So he mapped the area very accurately.

00:52:09.060 And so what was really interesting is they have this really old map.

00:52:11.960 I think it's from like 1515 or 1517, somewhere in that range.

00:52:16.680 And there's a river that kind of comes out to where the colony was and it forks at one

00:52:22.000 point.

00:52:23.080 And there was a patch over this old map and somebody used LIDAR or some kind of, I'm not

00:52:28.720 exactly sure what the kind of means they did to look under what the patch was.

00:52:32.620 And under the patch was a star fort.

00:52:34.480 Now, if you think about it, so this would have been before Jamestown.

00:52:43.360 We know that those people didn't build the star fort.

00:52:46.180 Right.

00:52:46.680 So the star fort was already there.

00:52:50.060 And if the star fort was already there, well, then who built it and when?

00:52:55.620 You know, like that.

00:52:57.300 I mean, it makes sense to me that that technology, whatever those things were used for.

00:53:01.880 It they they're called bastion forts is what the mainstream calls them.

00:53:08.940 But it's funny, like there's there's star forts in a lot of places.

00:53:12.160 Another one, there's I think maybe one of the reasons they talk about that is because

00:53:15.160 there was actually one called Fort San Francisco.

00:53:17.980 Also makes no sense when they built it.

00:53:20.700 And there's several even like actually even where I live, there's one of the biggest ones

00:53:25.340 in America.

00:53:25.740 I think it's called Fort Monroe and it's it's on the water.

00:53:30.020 Makes no sense.

00:53:30.940 And so like in America, they just put a couple of cannons on them and they say that there

00:53:34.560 were forts, but they were they're so elaborate.

00:53:38.600 But if you actually look up like the basically how successful they were, they were terrible.

00:53:46.400 So like there are these very elaborate structures that failed when they were attacked enough.

00:53:51.820 So what is that really what they were used for?

00:53:56.560 And I think that some people who have done this kind of research, they think that the star

00:54:00.980 fort had something to do with, again, energy.

00:54:04.040 That's why it has this certain geometric pattern.

00:54:06.740 That's why there's moats and water around them.

00:54:09.260 I think I mean, I'm willing to believe anything besides what they tell us, because like when

00:54:15.640 you look at how many bricks were involved in these structures and when they were built.

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00:54:46.880 The worst one, I think, is you ever heard of Fort Jefferson that's off the coast of Florida?

00:54:56.380 Is it like way out in the middle of the ocean?

00:54:58.940 Yeah, it's like 70 miles outside of off the coast of Florida and it's on this tiny little

00:55:04.900 island that basically the whole fort is is this island.

00:55:09.900 And yeah, they there's not even fresh water in this place.

00:55:13.840 And they say it was built in, I guess, the late 1800s.

00:55:16.880 Sorry.

00:55:17.720 Makes no sense.

00:55:19.220 It's actually I think they say it's the largest masonry structure as far as the number of

00:55:23.880 bricks in the whole Western Hemisphere.

00:55:27.260 And supposedly it was built by like prisoners and slaves and whatever else.

00:55:33.440 And yeah, yeah, it was basically abandoned almost after before it was even completed.

00:55:37.080 Like I said, if you believe that, I mean, there's not much I can do for you.

00:55:43.640 That's a that's a weird one, man, that they would put that out there.

00:55:48.060 In the middle of the ocean, I mean, that's 70, 70 miles offshore.

00:55:52.060 What's the what's the point?

00:55:53.340 And it's and it's also that around the same time, what we're told is I forgot they called

00:55:58.520 it.

00:56:00.000 I forgot there was some kind of strategic planning where they they were putting these

00:56:03.780 things out there, these these bastion forts is what we're told.

00:56:07.500 And had something to do with like the War of 1812 because we were fighting the British.

00:56:11.900 But this is literally on like the interior side of the Gulf.

00:56:16.140 So it's not even like like who would have attacked from that kind of vantage point?

00:56:19.480 I have no idea.

00:56:20.660 Yeah. Yeah. Look at this place.

00:56:23.920 It.

00:56:26.780 It's amazing.

00:56:28.180 Yeah, it's like 70 miles off of Key West, I think.

00:56:31.060 Yeah.

00:56:31.580 So it's way out there.

00:56:33.100 And again, there's no fresh water there.

00:56:36.020 Yeah. And I mean, just the sheer number of bricks that it would say, I think it was like

00:56:40.320 16 million or something like that.

00:56:42.160 It's might even more than that.

00:56:43.780 It's like who built that?

00:56:45.120 How did they have the resources in the time?

00:56:47.900 And look at it. Look how it goes right up to the water right there.

00:56:51.020 It's like who was doing that?

00:56:55.020 You know, I this one.

00:56:57.840 This one's a head scratcher for me.

00:57:00.660 No, I mean, I made a short on that and I it was pretty successful and I did like some

00:57:08.000 people's conclusions.

00:57:08.940 Like what if that was what if there wasn't water between Florida and there when that

00:57:14.940 thing was built?

00:57:16.020 Oh, yeah.

00:57:17.040 Well, there you go.

00:57:17.980 That. OK.

00:57:19.540 That makes more sense.

00:57:20.380 That makes more sense to me.

00:57:21.420 If not, the people who built it were really, really advanced.

00:57:26.200 Could be either one.

00:57:27.740 I can see that, actually, because something happened.

00:57:30.740 I believe something happened with the water.

00:57:32.800 Like, you know, you've got the old maps.

00:57:34.720 But I'm thinking the probably 1500s is the one I looked at somewhere and it had it had

00:57:40.940 a California as an island.

00:57:43.180 Yeah, that's really interesting, too.

00:57:44.740 So that would suggest that things were a little bit different with water, water lines and

00:57:50.560 all that.

00:57:50.800 And like I looked into Antarctica and I don't remember the proper name for this map.

00:57:57.540 I usually call it the Terra Australis map.

00:58:00.080 But you look at that map, you look at the very bottom of South America, there's like a

00:58:05.040 little strip of water between Antarctica and South America.

00:58:09.120 Yeah.

00:58:09.300 And yet they they say that at the time when this map was made, nobody knew what Antarctica

00:58:16.500 was.

00:58:17.960 Yeah, it wasn't supposedly was not discovered until the 1800s.

00:58:21.580 Yeah.

00:58:21.880 Right.

00:58:22.240 Right.

00:58:22.560 Exactly.

00:58:23.340 So but there's just a little strip of water in between the two.

00:58:26.760 So it looks like it looks like at one point South America and Antarctica either touched

00:58:32.420 or, you know, they they almost touched.

00:58:36.460 Yeah.

00:58:36.940 Mm hmm.

00:58:37.740 Which is which is interesting because that that brings up the you know, you think about

00:58:41.860 the Perry Reese map that seems to show the South American coastline going all the way

00:58:47.880 down to Antarctica like that there you know, there was it was just one solid land mass.

00:58:53.940 It it kind of suggests that and that the temperatures down there were different and everything.

00:58:59.580 Yeah, I can believe that.

00:59:00.700 I mean, it's it's sort of funny that they think we're told about climate change all the

00:59:05.520 time and they're always talking about how the water levels are going to rise and things

00:59:09.200 are going to change.

00:59:09.940 And, you know, they're always predicting impending doom.

00:59:14.520 It seems really strange that that would never have happened in our recent past.

00:59:20.660 That the coastlines could change.

00:59:24.020 Right.

00:59:24.600 Yeah.

00:59:24.900 Right.

00:59:25.160 I mean, I think to me that seems really obvious.

00:59:27.300 I think that there's lots of things under the water.

00:59:29.440 I think what do they call that?

00:59:31.240 Is it the Bimini Road off of Florida that that some people have said, well, is it maybe

00:59:37.940 that was Atlantis?

00:59:38.840 And I don't think that was Atlantis.

00:59:39.960 I think that was just something that was probably above the water.

00:59:44.540 And now it's not.

00:59:45.760 There's lots of things like that all around the world.

00:59:47.600 So I think that it seems obvious to me that, yeah, that the coastlines have changed.

00:59:53.080 Yeah.

00:59:53.200 Because there's there's I mean, I believe it's, you know, so you the Greeks had the mythologies

00:59:58.700 about Atlantis.

00:59:59.900 There was somewhere off of, I guess, the what is it?

01:00:03.500 The the Rock of Gibraltar, Rock of Gibraltar, was they called the the where they get the

01:00:10.300 pillars of Hercules.

01:00:12.020 So it's be somewhere out in the Atlantic.

01:00:13.820 And then the people in the Pacific had these legends of this place called Lemuria, Lemuria.

01:00:20.180 Right.

01:00:21.080 And it was a real similar story.

01:00:23.060 Yeah.

01:00:23.280 I mean, I think it makes sense that there was something out there because you have places

01:00:26.800 like Easter Island.

01:00:27.800 It's so remote.

01:00:28.940 Even the Hawaiian Islands are very remote, if you think about it, like makes sense that

01:00:33.420 there was another landmass out there is because the Pacific is kind of unusual that it's

01:00:38.740 so big compared to all the other oceans of the world.

01:00:40.900 Maybe there was more land out that way.

01:00:43.480 Makes sense to me.

01:00:44.960 Yeah.

01:00:45.180 I mean, all those people, whoever they were, the people who built like Easter Island and

01:00:50.640 stuff, there's there's a lot of evidence that they came over here to they came to South

01:00:54.800 America to big time.

01:00:56.540 Like there's a guy I had on his name.

01:00:59.380 He goes by Pillars of the Past on Instagram.

01:01:01.860 He, he goes out and he goes to these remote places in Peru and he finds all these ancient

01:01:08.960 undocumented, ancient structures, cities.

01:01:13.220 I mean, what the guy's found is he's like one of the best kept secrets on the internet

01:01:17.620 for sure.

01:01:18.320 He's, he's just going out there and finding like undocumented ancient civilizations.

01:01:24.340 And some of the places he goes are documented.

01:01:27.860 And I was looking into some of them and I was just kind of looking into the ancient or the,

01:01:33.280 the legends that those people had, like their mythologies and stuff.

01:01:36.380 And, and all those people on the coastline of the, of the, on the Pacific side of South

01:01:41.420 America, they all had legends that their people came from the, across the ocean.

01:01:46.560 Yeah.

01:01:48.000 All of it, all the mythologies.

01:01:50.060 I mean, that's why I said when we did ancient, ancient angels, it's all about that kind of

01:01:55.300 stuff because the, when you actually hear the real stories that people told, they're really

01:01:59.380 interesting.

01:01:59.820 Even like the whole idea of like Quixelquodal, the plume serpent, this being that came over

01:02:06.160 and he was a man described as a man, a white man with a beard.

01:02:11.800 And they, this person claimed he came from someplace that flooded.

01:02:17.620 That's really weird.

01:02:18.880 That's really weird.

01:02:19.580 He taught these people all kinds of stuff.

01:02:21.280 I mean like that, that legend is again, it's like too crazy to make up.

01:02:26.300 Like, why would they make that up?

01:02:27.840 And it's, you see that legend just duplicated and all these other, it's all the flood legend

01:02:33.580 is everywhere.

01:02:34.360 You can't get away from that.

01:02:35.600 And you know, too, like with, with like Cusco and those, the blocks, the megalithic

01:02:41.280 walls there, there's, there's an identical wall on Easter Island.

01:02:46.440 So it just makes sense that they, they came from, from there, you know?

01:02:53.060 Yeah.

01:02:53.120 That's interesting.

01:02:53.700 You say that too, because they don't, they don't often reference any kind of structures

01:02:58.340 on Easter Island.

01:02:59.620 They really only talk about the Moai.

01:03:01.220 They won't talk about that wall.

01:03:03.580 They, it's, they pick and choose.

01:03:05.440 And, and like going back to something we talked about earlier, the Moai, those are the ones

01:03:09.740 that are, that were buried up to their necks.

01:03:12.220 Right?

01:03:12.520 Now we're finding out that there's a hole.

01:03:14.400 And it's like, it's like, what's underneath that though?

01:03:18.480 Right.

01:03:18.920 What's under the, all the ground.

01:03:20.440 I mean, maybe there, maybe there's, there's stone and everything under, maybe they were

01:03:24.080 placed on stone.

01:03:25.000 Maybe they were never placed on dirt.

01:03:26.420 I mean, the, it, I think to me, just like going back to talking about the pyramids, I think

01:03:33.320 it's ridiculous that they didn't know things were buried under them, under the pyramids

01:03:36.940 until now, if that's true.

01:03:39.700 I mean, I, I, I obviously am skeptical that they didn't already know all that stuff, but

01:03:45.000 I think it's comical that they said they just realized very recently that they have bodies.

01:03:51.660 Like nobody to stop to see like how far down they go.

01:03:55.840 Like, wouldn't you have done that early on?

01:03:57.460 Like you could say, Hey, do you think that you think these things are cut off at the very

01:04:01.420 ground level?

01:04:02.340 Let's just see.

01:04:03.100 You would probably immediately say, I wonder how far down they go.

01:04:06.880 Because obviously there's no base here.

01:04:09.100 Right.

01:04:09.560 Right.

01:04:10.280 I think that, I think that they, whoever looked wasn't allowed to talk about it probably.

01:04:15.300 Yeah.

01:04:15.520 I think, yeah.

01:04:16.220 I think again, that's, that's something they obviously knew because an idiot could realize

01:04:20.960 that they were not, that wasn't the bottom of it.

01:04:23.700 So how far down does it go?

01:04:25.340 Yeah.

01:04:25.620 Yeah.

01:04:26.180 When you're, when you're excavating it, you didn't think to like, to dig down and see

01:04:30.600 what was, you know, let's see if there's more stone down here below ground.

01:04:34.500 Like somebody should have, somebody could have at least looked two feet down there.

01:04:38.180 Yeah.

01:04:38.660 I think that they obviously dug down.

01:04:40.420 They found out very early and they just only told us recently.

01:04:43.420 Yeah.

01:04:44.120 Yeah.

01:04:44.340 Because it's, yeah, it's ridiculous to think they didn't know, but yeah.

01:04:47.020 So then why don't they talk about the other things on Easter Island?

01:04:49.480 I think the reason why I was really fascinated back in the day with watching Ancient Aliens,

01:04:56.520 I never found their conclusions very satisfying.

01:04:59.060 I thought they were really dumb.

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01:05:28.620 But I never heard about all these places, you know?

01:05:32.120 And I think that that's really what, that's why the show was interesting to me because I'd

01:05:36.780 never seen about megalithic things all over, like you're saying in Cusco and the stuff in

01:05:41.480 South America was mind-blowing.

01:05:44.260 Yeah, it's like Chariots of the Gods for me.

01:05:46.940 Like, I love that documentary.

01:05:48.300 I don't know if you've ever seen that.

01:05:49.480 I'm sure you've seen that.

01:05:49.860 Yeah, I've seen it because I kind of got into all that stuff when I was watching and I was

01:05:54.140 just saying like that I couldn't get enough of like all the megaliths.

01:05:58.800 It was so interesting.

01:05:59.920 Like, who did this?

01:06:00.820 And so I thought that the show did a good job of asking questions and poking holes in

01:06:06.060 the mainstream narrative.

01:06:07.900 Again, I don't agree with their conclusions, but I think, yeah, again, like people do have

01:06:13.720 to wrestle with that.

01:06:14.680 If like we're taught that men had this very linear progression, right?

01:06:19.660 They came out of caves and then they became hunter-gatherers and then they learned how to

01:06:23.920 farm and then they just built the craziest thing you've ever seen in your whole life right

01:06:28.720 after that because that's basically when they say ancient Egypt started, right?

01:06:32.680 They immediately started building pyramids.

01:06:35.560 Before doing, that was like the first cities they made.

01:06:39.140 I mean, it makes no sense because you can obviously tell just based on even the way that

01:06:43.700 the empires were written about in the Bible that there was peaks and there was valleys.

01:06:47.760 Like, I mean, obviously, again, there's a worldwide valley and it's called the flood.

01:06:53.020 And it's not just Christian people who talk about the flood.

01:06:57.020 But it's the flood mythos is everywhere.

01:07:00.300 Everyone talked about all around the world.

01:07:02.360 There was a time when gods were here.

01:07:04.260 There was a time with giants.

01:07:05.720 And then there was a giant flood.

01:07:08.080 And then you could see like why people would not know about the things.

01:07:13.580 Like, so that's not a reason.

01:07:15.020 That doesn't give you a lot of answers about the pre-flood stuff, but it gives you a reason

01:07:20.180 why we don't know more about it.

01:07:21.920 Sure.

01:07:22.200 I mean, we know the big parts of it.

01:07:24.660 Right, right.

01:07:25.360 That's why I'm like flirting around with this idea that some of this technology goes

01:07:30.400 back to the Garden of Eden and Cain brought it with him when he left.

01:07:34.000 I, because it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm a Christian, so I like that it kind of parallels with what

01:07:42.820 the Bible's telling us that idea does.

01:07:44.700 And, but also it's like for a long time there, I thought that maybe this information came out

01:07:50.180 of Genesis six and the watchers because we know they came down and they gave man technology

01:07:56.280 too.

01:07:56.760 But I think it goes back before that now to the garden and who knows how long ago that

01:08:02.220 was, you know, like that might explain why the pyramids are so much older.

01:08:06.500 Like, and, and like we said before, I think you said that like they're, we're talking about

01:08:10.400 how they're pre-flood, right?

01:08:11.600 Cause you know, Dr. Robert, Dr. Robert Shock talks about all that water damage on the Sphinx.

01:08:16.620 Yeah.

01:08:17.640 You know, that's probably goes back to this flood that we're talking about, right?

01:08:21.640 Or.

01:08:22.420 Yeah, I think so.

01:08:23.760 Yeah.

01:08:24.000 Yeah.

01:08:24.560 So, uh, and I don't know where I was going with that other than, you know, I think you

01:08:30.840 can find answers for this stuff in the old texts and, and especially the Bible.

01:08:36.140 I know people don't want to hear that, but for me and my research, the Bible stands up time

01:08:41.600 and time again, like when you put it to the test, like, oh yeah, about all the stuff that's

01:08:47.560 in there.

01:08:48.620 If you read through the old Testament, if you've never read it before, read through it, you're

01:08:53.220 going to be blown away by the, the accuracy of, it's like a map.

01:08:57.880 They tell you, they're like, oh, we went to this river.

01:09:00.280 Then we went, you know, up to this town and then we turned and we went to this mountain

01:09:04.880 range and then over the mountain range, we went to this other town and they tell you

01:09:08.440 the names of all these places and those are still, those are real places.

01:09:12.820 A lot of those valleys and those wadis, they're the same name as they were back then.

01:09:18.100 It checks out.

01:09:19.700 Well, I've actually, the research I've done recently and I've done some timeline stuff.

01:09:24.500 I think that the reason why the Bible is so accurate is like, it's literally the oldest

01:09:28.700 history book we have.

01:09:30.040 And I think it's been used to corroborate things.

01:09:33.000 I know that the modern history people would not like to hear that, but yeah, there's certain

01:09:37.160 things in the Bible that they would try to debunk and they would say, oh, they're the

01:09:40.620 Hittites were not in this region.

01:09:42.120 And then they find evidence that they were, there's lots of things in the old Testament

01:09:45.640 that are like that.

01:09:46.760 But yeah, I do believe that, yeah, if you go into the book of Enoch, it mentions that

01:09:51.360 the watchers taught men how to do things.

01:09:53.900 And if you've ever seen that movie, that Marvel movie, the Eternals, you've ever seen that

01:09:59.440 one?

01:09:59.740 I don't think so, actually.

01:10:01.600 It's really not all that good, but it's, it's, it's interesting.

01:10:04.840 It's interesting for this, but like, so in that movie comes from obviously a comic book,

01:10:09.560 the Eternals, who are the Eternals?

01:10:11.580 They're angels, right?

01:10:12.900 So like these angels are supposed to come down and they're supposed to help humanity, but

01:10:16.160 they're not supposed to interfere.

01:10:17.820 It's, it's the story of the watchers.

01:10:19.940 The very beginning of the movie starts out with like these monsters are trying to attack

01:10:23.640 these primitive people.

01:10:25.240 And so these Eternals come down and save them from these monsters.

01:10:29.060 And then at one point, I guess the kid drops a knife or something, and then the woman picks

01:10:35.560 it up, the woman angel, whatever, the Eternal, she picks it up.

01:10:39.160 And when she's holding it in her hand, it all of a sudden, it turns gold and like turns

01:10:43.240 into like this advanced looking weapon.

01:10:45.200 And it's like, she gives it to him.

01:10:46.800 It's like, it's, that's literally how the movie starts.

01:10:49.100 It's like, they're showing you this.

01:10:51.300 And then there was another character, Eternal, in that movie.

01:10:54.120 Every now and then they would introduce technology to them, to the people.

01:10:59.300 I mean, it's like, it's so obvious.

01:11:00.560 Like this is like, this is what they're saying.

01:11:02.780 Like that's what that book of Enoch, because it explains everything.

01:11:05.820 Well, it makes, it makes sense that, that whether you believe the book of Enoch should

01:11:12.080 be in the scriptures or not.

01:11:13.440 I think this story is a worldwide story.

01:11:16.900 Absolutely.

01:11:17.500 So some people would say, oh, the Bible's copying off these older myths or legends and

01:11:23.300 stuff.

01:11:23.480 It's like, no, there was, this is one story.

01:11:27.200 So if the Bible's story sounds similar to this other Sumerian story about the Anunnaki

01:11:32.900 or whatever, it's not because the Bible was copying off this.

01:11:36.820 It's because like, how true is that story?

01:11:40.500 I believe the story is true.

01:11:42.300 Now, how accurate is the depictions in the other mythology?

01:11:45.280 I think it's all one story and people around the world are telling that story.

01:11:49.180 So there's shades of difference.

01:11:50.920 And like, you can imagine even like the Tower of Babel story in the Bible, it's that God

01:11:55.440 confused the languages, but they all have this same story and it's told in a different

01:12:01.160 language.

01:12:01.560 It's told by different people in different places.

01:12:04.920 Yeah.

01:12:05.200 That story happened.

01:12:06.120 I mean, I think there's, there's so much proof of it that again, well, I mean, it was a

01:12:12.140 proof there's, there's evidence is everywhere.

01:12:14.200 The evidence is overwhelming that to me, that is proof.

01:12:17.160 I think so too.

01:12:18.960 And, and I think it's fun to go in and look at the old Sumerian myths because I see all

01:12:23.860 the, I see the biblical parallels for sure.

01:12:26.300 I see the same story that's been twisted a little bit and told a little differently.

01:12:32.540 And, and I think, for example, so I did a show with Justin Brown from Prometheus Lens and

01:12:39.560 we were talking about Anunnaki and, you know, we're talking about the Enumalish and all that.

01:12:44.860 And this is just my opinion, but, but what I kind of walked away with after researching

01:12:49.760 that was that this story that these Anunnaki came down here and were mining for gold and

01:12:57.600 were, you know, created humans or created humanity so that we could help them mine for

01:13:04.500 gold.

01:13:04.920 That, that to me, I got into that and I started thinking I had this thought coming to my head.

01:13:10.680 And I was like, that sounds like a story that's been retold by somebody who wants to control

01:13:16.900 humans.

01:13:19.660 You know, just, just all the little, all the little, um, changes that were made in that

01:13:25.460 story.

01:13:25.760 If you put it up against the Bible, it seems like somebody came through, took the real

01:13:30.400 story and manipulated it a little bit so that we could feel like, you know, we are subservient

01:13:37.300 to these, these entities, like they created us, you know, they control us.

01:13:42.480 I don't know, man.

01:13:43.420 That's just, I don't know if that.

01:13:44.860 Well, you know, the thing, the interesting part about that, I know, um, you're probably

01:13:48.940 aware of Michael Heiser, right?

01:13:50.760 So he famously called out Zechariah Sitchin, like, so he's, you know, Zechariah Sitchin

01:13:59.320 famously, he translate, translated the Sumerian tablets and learned about Nibiru and all the

01:14:07.400 outer space stuff in, in the Sumerian tablets.

01:14:11.280 He's no, he did not.

01:14:13.440 Like, so what do those tablets really select, really say?

01:14:17.000 I think that a lot of the stories that get repeated even by people like us, I think that

01:14:22.540 these people never talked about being from another planet.

01:14:26.860 Again, again, the stories that are the mythologies, it's always like these beings came down from

01:14:31.300 the heavens.

01:14:32.100 I don't know if it says that it created man, but it does make sense that it, let's just

01:14:37.120 say from the things that I do know about the story, it's like you have this God race that

01:14:42.760 comes down, manipulates man's DNA, and then uses them.

01:14:47.160 I mean, that's the story of the Watchers to me.

01:14:49.420 Like, genetic manipulation is one of the reasons I think that the flood was caused, that God

01:14:55.360 sent the flood, is because all flesh had corrupted its ways.

01:14:59.320 That's what it says in the book of Enoch, that this new race of beings were cannibalistic,

01:15:05.300 they were horrible.

01:15:05.940 And it said in the Bible, it says that Noah was pure in his generations.

01:15:11.640 So God sent a flood because he needed to wipe the slate clean.

01:15:16.560 He kept one righteous man who's related, whose generations were pure back to Adam.

01:15:22.140 Yeah, so that story makes sense to me.

01:15:23.880 I think that, but it makes, but it also makes sense that why we are kind of inundated with

01:15:30.260 like ideas of, of aliens, advanced aliens, because it's not a new story.

01:15:35.700 It's, it's a more of a twist on a old story.

01:15:38.800 Yeah, absolutely.

01:15:39.420 I'm going to take this a step further too, because I think it was Sitchin's, like you

01:15:45.100 said, translation.

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01:16:14.200 That kind of breaks down that, that humans were like created by, by these Andunaki.

01:16:19.020 And if you look in the Sitchin and you, and you start listening to people in his inner circle,

01:16:24.160 there are a lot of people that were really close to him who would say, you know,

01:16:27.760 not quite out, out loud, but like, you know, here and there and like hushed tones, they

01:16:33.080 would say, you know, Sitchin, you know, he gets his information from, from the other

01:16:36.840 side.

01:16:37.420 Like he's, like he's in touch with one of these entities and they're dictating stuff.

01:16:41.540 Oh, okay.

01:16:41.920 So that's the, like, that's the inner circle story is that he was like channeling this

01:16:47.300 information.

01:16:47.960 And that's why I think if that's true, because you see that with Nazis and Lovecraft and Crowley

01:16:55.240 and everybody else, they think that they're getting this information from somebody else

01:16:59.400 or something else.

01:17:00.400 If that's true, that's why I think that this is a major deception in that story.

01:17:06.040 Oh, 100%.

01:17:07.220 That's the interesting part is like, yeah, the Crowley famously said that, that now we

01:17:11.860 call them angels and demons, but one day we're going to call them something else.

01:17:15.560 And then he draws that being lamb that looks just like a gray alien, like just like straight

01:17:21.120 out of like a Spielberg movie that that looks like an alien.

01:17:24.240 So now it's like, that's why that was the main reason we made ancient angels, because

01:17:29.340 I felt like that they're, they were trying to write aliens back into our past.

01:17:34.640 And so it'll make more sense to, for the, the coming deception about, you know, quote

01:17:40.540 unquote aliens, you know, angels are not really from earth either.

01:17:44.920 So like they could technically be called aliens and almost a, just by definition, they could

01:17:50.200 be called aliens.

01:17:50.940 Now we don't believe they come from Mars or, you know, whatever planet you want to talk

01:17:56.180 about in the sky, but I, I do think it makes sense.

01:17:59.480 And it's also interesting.

01:18:01.280 Well, there's also, there's not just one type of, of angel.

01:18:05.260 Right.

01:18:05.840 That's true.

01:18:07.120 Seraphim, teraphim, or not teraphim, seraphim, teraphim.

01:18:10.600 There's a, there's a couple of others, but then there's also like in the Bible where it

01:18:14.120 talks about the host of heaven and there's all these interesting verses.

01:18:17.540 You got, you know, you brought up Heiser, you know, you look at Deuteronomy 32.

01:18:20.440 It talks about the divine council.

01:18:24.000 I think that there's like a, a whole panel of these different type of entities.

01:18:28.280 Like we could even go so far.

01:18:30.020 I would call them non-human entities because technically that's what they are.

01:18:33.700 I'm not saying they're green aliens, but I think there's like a hierarchy to these,

01:18:37.880 to the angelic realm.

01:18:40.260 Oh, for sure.

01:18:41.440 Yeah, for sure.

01:18:41.960 Are we, you know, we probably almost dogmatically just refer to everything from heaven that's

01:18:48.780 not either a deceased saint, you know, like a person who was up there and has been resurrected

01:18:54.620 and is in heaven versus like, who's not God.

01:18:58.720 They're just angels.

01:19:00.500 But the Bible really doesn't call them all angels.

01:19:03.640 An angel is a messenger.

01:19:04.840 It's like, it's a duty.

01:19:06.040 So like an angel comes.

01:19:07.280 That's why when you, when they appear on earth, they're usually delivering a message.

01:19:10.380 So that's why they're called angels, but more accurate is they're called sons of God, as

01:19:16.960 they're called in the book of Job and also in Genesis six.

01:19:20.200 And then also, yeah, they're the host of heaven.

01:19:22.980 So they could be anything.

01:19:24.940 Like, I mean, the thing is like the Bible really doesn't tell you exactly what they are.

01:19:28.920 It's probably because it's, because there is an allure to angels and heavenly beings,

01:19:34.140 divine beings that we're not supposed to be fascinated with them.

01:19:37.580 So that's probably why the story does not focus on them so much because, you know, that's

01:19:42.540 really a big problem in the world is worshiping of angels.

01:19:45.580 That's what, that's what all the false gods are.

01:19:47.620 I think, I believe that they're angels.

01:19:49.360 So yeah, that's, that's really interesting.

01:19:52.020 But I was going to say that I found it really interesting also that guys like Graham Hancock,

01:19:57.700 who I was really interested in, I read his book and, um, and he used to go on Joe Rogan

01:20:03.640 a lot and so in that, on that podcast, he would often talk about megaliths and then he

01:20:10.900 would talk about DDMT.

01:20:13.360 He would talk about ayahuasca.

01:20:15.340 And so it was his belief.

01:20:17.220 And I think that he's now, he's got that, that pretty successful show on Netflix called

01:20:22.000 Ancient Apocalypse.

01:20:24.080 I did an episode with Derek Olson.

01:20:26.360 We're breaking it down.

01:20:27.080 He was talking about ayahuasca and he was saying that under this, this drug and the influence

01:20:33.360 of a shaman, a medicine doctor, they, they take this thing and they call it, you know,

01:20:39.360 ayahuasca translates into vine of the dead.

01:20:42.160 And they, they drink this stuff.

01:20:44.460 They trip like crazy and they go on some psychedelic trip.

01:20:48.620 And these people interact with the same entity on this trip and they see different geometric

01:20:55.580 shapes and all that kind of stuff.

01:20:57.080 I mean, it's really fascinating that, that if these people would claim that giants built

01:21:03.280 these places and then they encounter entities under this sorcery, pharmakia, yeah, they could

01:21:13.220 actually literally be encountering the beings who created those, those things because in

01:21:18.280 the book of Enoch, it said that the Nephilim, the deceased giants, they became unclean spirits

01:21:23.680 on the earth and those are your demons.

01:21:26.880 Like that's what demons are.

01:21:27.880 That's what, those are, those are what Normies would call ghosts.

01:21:32.420 Because ghosts are not like your grandma when she dies.

01:21:36.320 A ghost is a, is a spirit, an unclean spirit that came from a being that really does not

01:21:43.780 belong.

01:21:44.880 And that's why it's, that's why it stays here.

01:21:47.200 The disembodied spirits that you, I think the book of Enoch talks about that too.

01:21:51.980 Yeah.

01:21:52.380 Yep.

01:21:52.880 The unclean spirits that were, were, some were put in the bottomless pit and some were destined

01:21:59.020 to roam the earth as unclean spirits.

01:22:01.880 Well, let me hit you with this, man.

01:22:03.660 And I'm going to apologize to everybody because I've, I've told this story quite a bit, but I

01:22:08.000 have to tell you this because it fits in perfectly.

01:22:11.420 I ran into a guy in Nashville at like a writer's round and we just, somehow we got to talking

01:22:17.960 about, he knew about that pyramid picture that we looked at earlier.

01:22:21.080 Like he knew about the, I was like, man, I think there was like an ancient civilization

01:22:25.680 here.

01:22:26.180 He's like, yeah, there was 100%.

01:22:27.900 He knew about all this stuff.

01:22:29.280 So I was like, so we struck up a conversation and I got his number and all that.

01:22:35.020 And we, and we continued to talk and, uh, I, I wanted to get him on and I still haven't

01:22:41.260 been able to get him on.

01:22:41.860 But anyways, he told me the story on the phone one night, uh, about DMT, about a DMT experience

01:22:49.480 he had.

01:22:50.460 And he was saying that every time he would, he went into the DMT realm, the same entity

01:22:58.720 came to him, approached him and they struck up like almost like a weird type of a friendship.

01:23:03.960 He knew the, the entity's name.

01:23:07.180 And, uh, whenever he was done, because those trips, I think last 15 to 20 minutes, whenever

01:23:12.340 he was done, you know, he'd come back to this realm or whatever.

01:23:14.840 Right.

01:23:15.460 And if he was to take it again, even if it was two weeks later, he would still run into

01:23:20.560 that same entity and they would pick up the conversation where they had left it off.

01:23:25.120 And so he's telling me about all this.

01:23:27.540 And then he told me the name of the entity and I was like, dude, I was like, have you

01:23:34.300 heard that before?

01:23:35.060 He's like, no, I'm like, I know that name.

01:23:37.680 I, I found it in my research.

01:23:39.320 It's a, an old Frisian entity, like from a Nordic type of mythology.

01:23:44.960 Oh, and like, yeah, I got like cold chills from it and everything.

01:23:49.380 And I've been trying to get the guy to come on and to tell this story, but it's like I,

01:23:55.480 he's, he, he did DMT quite a bit.

01:23:59.600 I feel, I don't, I don't, you know, whatever.

01:24:02.440 I've told the story, I guess I can't take it back at this point, but like this happened

01:24:07.100 to him every time he went in there.

01:24:08.380 And I just thought that that was astounding.

01:24:12.800 Yeah, that's, I mean, it's really spooky.

01:24:15.420 I mean, I remember hearing that before I understood kind of the spiritual realm and, you know, as

01:24:21.040 well, I mean, as the limit as I do now, it's understand it, but I remember listening to

01:24:26.020 that podcast and I remember thinking like that.

01:24:28.060 It was really weird that people take DMT and they see jesters and, and all the same kind

01:24:33.440 of things.

01:24:33.880 It's like, that's because, you know, I've never done psychedelics, you know, I was never

01:24:39.100 like a perfect person, but I, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't never went that far.

01:24:43.260 But when, I guess when I was always told about drugs and like the DARE program, I just always

01:24:48.640 imagined just people just imagining just the wildest things.

01:24:51.260 And it was, there was no consistency to it.

01:24:54.740 But then you have these people having these very similar experiences where it's like, it

01:24:59.020 can't be a coincidence.

01:25:00.040 I don't believe, and again, that people today, like especially in America, just do drugs for

01:25:06.280 pleasure, but that's really not how they're used in other places.

01:25:10.540 I mean, like literally you have to go under the guise of a witch doctor in this jungle.

01:25:14.860 It's like these ceremonies are old and these people talk about encountering their ancestors.

01:25:21.480 That's why they call it the vine of the dead.

01:25:23.160 But again, you're not going to encounter somebody you're related to because people you're related

01:25:30.680 to, they die.

01:25:32.080 Their spirit does not remain here afterwards.

01:25:34.780 So the spirits that do remain are likely remnants of giants in Nephilim.

01:25:42.400 Wicked beings too, because again, like that's why God flooded the earth.

01:25:45.520 These beings were horrible.

01:25:46.480 So that's why in the same way that you have places like in South America, where like the

01:25:53.600 Aztecs were sacrificing people to appease these same ancestors.

01:26:00.360 I mean, so like you understand what kind of level of spirit this is that you're, you're

01:26:05.700 communing with.

01:26:06.380 And I do know that, I mean, at least people will tell you that these, these entities might

01:26:12.540 be friendly at first because probably because they're trying to reel you in and they're probably

01:26:17.380 trying to get their hooks in you.

01:26:18.960 I think there's a lot to do with the fact that in this place we live in, it operates

01:26:24.960 on some kind of authority and access to people.

01:26:27.260 So like if you give people access to your person, then it's kind of like that's God's

01:26:32.660 rules.

01:26:33.020 You know, they can't just immediately possess you, but if you give them an opening or maybe

01:26:38.640 even given somebody, you might be able to give these beings an opening for your child

01:26:44.340 even before they're old enough to be aware.

01:26:47.760 But I think that's how everything operates.

01:26:50.260 And yeah, if you went under the guise of a shaman and you're taking these, these illicit

01:26:55.440 drugs in this, in this ceremony, yeah, you've definitely given yourself access to this being.

01:27:01.860 And I mean, I, I don't know.

01:27:04.040 I mean, I can only speculate what the result will ultimately be.

01:27:08.100 Yeah.

01:27:08.380 Yeah.

01:27:08.920 And, and another thing about the shamanism is that's another worldwide thing.

01:27:14.140 You see it just about every culture, every culture that's still somewhat in touch with

01:27:19.400 their ancient or older traditions have some sort of a shaman tradition.

01:27:24.600 Mm-hmm.

01:27:25.600 And, and the shaman is, is to serve as this liaison between the people and the, the other

01:27:31.480 side.

01:27:34.400 And wasn't it, isn't it kind of even interesting, even, even biblically, like if you read like

01:27:39.460 the Old Testament law, who would be considered their doctors?

01:27:43.200 Would be the priests, right?

01:27:46.300 So God tells the priests how to treat wounds and leprosy and all that kind of stuff.

01:27:52.620 It's the priests who do it.

01:27:54.820 So it's kind of like that we have tried, you know, like in today's society, everything's

01:27:59.360 really compartmentalized.

01:28:00.660 But, but back then it was like, you go to the priests to get healed.

01:28:05.600 So they did too, but obviously they're not serving the same God as us.

01:28:10.600 So, yeah, you know, yeah, I, I found this, uh, really cool post that it was an archeologist.

01:28:18.040 He, he, he, they found a, um, a shaman's kit and it, you know, it's funny because it

01:28:24.120 actually looks quite a bit like, uh, those old carvings where the, the entities are holding

01:28:29.940 that handbasket.

01:28:31.060 Oh yeah.

01:28:31.400 That little bag.

01:28:32.240 It looks like that, but it was like, it was like a leather.

01:28:35.600 Bound pouch that the shamans would carry around.

01:28:39.500 And what they did was this guy had taken a picture of this, that they, they laid out

01:28:43.360 all the ingredients that was in the shaman's kit.

01:28:45.520 And it was like horse hair, crystals, uh, just a lot of really random stuff that like

01:28:54.000 the modern man has no use for, but you know, this was stuff for rituals, right?

01:28:58.640 But also herbs.

01:29:00.460 So it looked like it was for a ritual magic and healing.

01:29:05.600 Like you're saying they, they served a dual purpose and you see this in like, so my dad

01:29:11.140 went to Haiti one time, um, on some sort of a mission trip and he said that they were in

01:29:17.340 the Haitian jungle and they were all piled on the back of this truck and they were trying

01:29:22.180 to get to this one village and they, they got stopped in the middle of the jungle by guys

01:29:27.440 with like AK 47s and they weren't allowed to pass until they got permission from the witch

01:29:32.780 doctor.

01:29:32.980 And, you know, it was real clear that that guy runs the show there.

01:29:38.780 Like he's, he's the, uh, you know, he's, he's in charge of these people.

01:29:44.480 He's the shaman and he's the doctor.

01:29:48.020 I just think that's how it used to be.

01:29:50.900 Yeah, no, I mean, well, I mean, it makes sense.

01:29:53.520 I mean, it makes sense that, that in the Bible, like the, the, the word pharmakia is translated

01:30:00.200 often as sorcery.

01:30:01.780 So we think that's obviously where we get the Greek word, we get the word pharmacy

01:30:06.860 from.

01:30:08.020 And so drugs, drug dealers, medicine, men, doctors.

01:30:14.880 I mean, yeah, that's, I mean, that's, I think that's where all that comes from.

01:30:17.580 I mean, you do wonder like, you know, just biblically, like, you know, that when Jesus

01:30:22.180 heals people, he tells them your faith has made you whole.

01:30:26.960 You know, he doesn't say I healed you.

01:30:28.680 He tells you, I mean, obviously it's, it's your faith in me, but he's saying that your

01:30:32.760 faith is actually what healed you.

01:30:34.820 So then these days we go to different people to get healed.

01:30:40.020 We don't, you know, don't recognize like that God made this place and obviously he could

01:30:45.660 do anything he wants.

01:30:46.580 I'm not saying like, if you get injured, you don't go to the doctor, but I'm just saying

01:30:50.600 it is interesting.

01:30:52.300 Like actually my buddy and I were just talking about it on the phone the other day is that

01:30:56.420 biblically we're made from the dust, we're made from the, from the earth.

01:31:01.120 Right.

01:31:01.720 And then I think the earth is supposedly 70% water and, you know, obviously the 30% is

01:31:10.400 earth.

01:31:11.220 That's what we're made out of.

01:31:13.180 I think it's really interesting to think that natural remedies make sense with that

01:31:19.240 understanding that you can be healed by the things that are here because that's, that's

01:31:25.540 literally what we're made out of.

01:31:27.280 Yeah.

01:31:27.860 Yeah.

01:31:28.500 And so I, I got lucky and I found like a, um, a South Asian herbalist that lives right

01:31:35.120 down the street from me and they have a little herb shop here.

01:31:37.840 So I go there all the time and it's, it's very clear once you start talking to somebody

01:31:43.260 like that, that, um, America's healthcare system and just way of approaching medicine

01:31:49.660 in general is, is, is way, way backwards compared to the way it used to be.

01:31:55.060 And compared to the way the other places do it now, like everything is a natural remedy

01:31:59.440 for them and, and, you know, instead of like surgery, like they use other techniques like

01:32:07.020 acupuncture and all this other type of stuff, they use the herbs with like this ancient stuff

01:32:12.060 that seems like magic to us, like acupuncture, but they, they, it works for them.

01:32:16.960 And, uh, and I think it just goes back to like the Rockefellers, you know, you see this

01:32:21.280 time and time again, like throughout history, some rich guy comes in and sees how he can

01:32:27.700 make a profit and that basically they, all the herbs, all the, all the, the holistic

01:32:34.700 stuff, the herb healing, the old methods, the old remedies, all that went out the window

01:32:40.080 sometime around the turn of the century, whenever Rockefeller came in and took over the medical

01:32:44.080 system that, cause they, they wanted to make everything into a pill, like a petroleum based

01:32:49.000 pill.

01:32:49.560 You can sell that you're not, you can't sell an herb.

01:32:52.840 So what you see is, and this is what I see.

01:32:55.180 It's like, I see these massive hospitals look like, you know, like cities and, and then

01:33:03.460 around them, you've got this, you know, sea of concrete for the parking lot, you know,

01:33:08.380 that used to be a field and you know, what you could find in that field can heal you.

01:33:15.580 It's like, we've just, we've, we've, we've, we've done everything backwards now.

01:33:20.440 Like, you know, yeah.

01:33:23.200 Well, I think that's what, you know, that's the interesting part is like the, like beef

01:33:26.780 and things like that.

01:33:28.800 They always tell you how bad it is for you.

01:33:30.580 Like they tried to tell you not to eat it, but what they're really talking about is they're

01:33:34.740 talking about the one that's fed like GMO corn, right?

01:33:38.380 Like corn fed beef is really not good for you because they're eating crap.

01:33:43.960 But if you have grass fed beef, it's really good for you.

01:33:48.220 And I think that's really how most of our medicine is supposed to work is like, if we

01:33:52.200 ate right, we wouldn't need to go to the doctor because the things that are grown here and

01:33:59.160 they're a here and they're natural.

01:34:00.360 It's like, those are the things that you, we eat, you know, like they say you're, you

01:34:03.700 are what you eat.

01:34:04.480 So I think that's how most people would be healed.

01:34:07.600 But yeah, like you're, you're absolutely right that I learned that a while back about how

01:34:11.960 that you can't, um, you can't patent a natural remedy.

01:34:17.700 So what do they do?

01:34:18.940 They make a synthesized version of it, some kind of synthetic natural remedy, and then

01:34:25.220 they can patent it and then they can charge you an arm and a leg for it.

01:34:28.200 And again, they're, and they can put all this other crap in there.

01:34:31.520 That's probably killing you.

01:34:33.400 Well, right.

01:34:34.260 Yeah.

01:34:34.440 Well, we don't know.

01:34:35.340 We don't know what's in it.

01:34:36.540 So, I mean, obviously it's unique.

01:34:38.200 And the truth is, yeah, it's a for profit business and it's really not a business that

01:34:44.700 probably should be for profit, like the way it is, because yeah, you'll get what, well,

01:34:48.660 you'll get what we've got.

01:34:50.240 And it's the same, same guy who took over the education system too.

01:34:54.200 So he, two birds with one stone there, that chain, that alone changed culture.

01:34:58.120 That's, you know, that hopefully people are starting to kind of get that.

01:35:02.680 I think obviously I talked to people like you and I talked to so many people more like-minded.

01:35:08.640 But I do think that's, it's kind of growing because I think that after 2020, if 2020 has

01:35:13.760 taught us anything, it's like that we don't trust these certain people anymore.

01:35:18.360 So if the health business dates back to this guy, obviously, yeah, you think like the modern

01:35:24.860 school system dates back to this guy.

01:35:27.400 And so now you have to understand like that you can't just, the time to be naive about

01:35:33.040 those kinds of things is over.

01:35:35.160 Like you have no excuse now.

01:35:37.320 So like how much do you really trust these people who you, who you should not trust,

01:35:42.240 who have lied to you?

01:35:43.140 So, so yeah, like how deep does the rabbit hole go?

01:35:46.580 And I'm, that's, that's what we continue to look.

01:35:49.900 Yes.

01:35:50.200 We keep going.

01:35:50.860 We keep, we keep, it's kind of endless.

01:35:53.020 Yeah.

01:35:53.160 It's, it's the perpetual rabbit hole for me, for sure.

01:35:56.080 You know, you, you just keep, you come to one door and you just keep going and it opens

01:36:01.340 up and you find a whole nother room of things to, to look at and analyze.

01:36:05.420 And I do think that people are starting to wake up to it.

01:36:08.160 I think that's why you see so much excitement around RFK right now in this position that

01:36:13.860 he's been given.

01:36:15.120 I think it's because people are starting to wake up to the fact that, you know, we're

01:36:19.160 being poisoned for real.

01:36:21.320 The water's bad.

01:36:23.020 The food's bad.

01:36:24.080 There's too much sugars, too much seed oils.

01:36:26.960 There's, it's just all bad.

01:36:28.240 Our food's not food.

01:36:29.360 It's not food.

01:36:30.200 Yeah.

01:36:30.400 It's not food.

01:36:31.020 You know, I, I think that, that whole thing, like, yeah, I think it was probably like a,

01:36:34.880 like a, a, a movement kind of that, that sprung up in recent years about like eating

01:36:40.520 like your ancestors, but I, and I don't agree with everything they say, but I'm totally with

01:36:45.680 that.

01:36:46.100 I think, you know, eat, eat meat, eat plants and, and try to find the stuff that's organic

01:36:52.960 down to the beef.

01:36:55.260 Like you said, like not the corn fed stuff, eliminate your seed oils and all that.

01:37:00.000 And, and I think if we were to eat more like our ancestors in that sense, we'd be

01:37:04.960 great.

01:37:05.400 We'd be good off.

01:37:06.060 You'd see an overall decline, but that's just not going to happen to, until people get real

01:37:13.300 serious.

01:37:13.960 People need to get so serious that they're willing to stop drinking sodas.

01:37:19.040 Yeah.

01:37:19.480 Well, I mean, I, I think that's the thing is like, it's, it's hard to, to quit these

01:37:23.340 habits that we've been taught our whole lives.

01:37:26.020 I mean, it's, it's difficult.

01:37:27.960 I mean, of course it's funny.

01:37:28.820 Like I just, I was talking to another friend and I was watching the matrix again and I

01:37:33.100 was just like watching this movie.

01:37:34.300 I'm just like, I know everyone talks about it, but I mean, like you're like thinking

01:37:37.900 like, yeah, like that beginning part when, um, Morpheus is telling Neo that you just can't

01:37:43.900 really put your finger on it.

01:37:44.960 What's wrong with this place.

01:37:45.920 But you know that there's something wrong.

01:37:47.440 And then he's like, the truth is he had the, we were born into bondage that we're slaves.

01:37:52.880 And I'm like, Oh my gosh, like the way he's putting it.

01:37:55.360 And of course you're just thinking like the, as a Christian, the way that the devil's got

01:38:00.400 the wool pulled over everyone's eyes.

01:38:02.960 I'm like, yeah, man, it's like you're, you really are.

01:38:05.440 And people really do fight to stay plugged in, even though it's like, they know that there's

01:38:10.760 something wrong.

01:38:11.380 I also liked the part where he's basically, when he's saying that, you know, you have

01:38:16.240 the red pill, blue pill in that moment, and everybody knows this moment, but I like when

01:38:19.800 he says, cause everyone knows what the red pill is.

01:38:21.680 Now it's the truth, right?

01:38:22.520 Do you want the truth?

01:38:23.260 Can you handle it?

01:38:24.520 Take the truth.

01:38:25.720 But he says, you can take the blue pill, you can go back to sleep and then you can believe

01:38:29.940 whatever you want to believe.

01:38:31.240 It's like, it really is.

01:38:32.720 I mean, I really do feel like that that is a, a really important like concept that I think

01:38:39.000 that's what people do is that they, they take the blue pill.

01:38:43.640 They know that there's something wrong.

01:38:45.140 Cause like, cause everybody sitting in the chair knows there's something weird about this

01:38:49.180 place.

01:38:50.300 But some people say, why do I need to know that?

01:38:52.560 I don't want to know that.

01:38:54.480 And so that's when they take the blue pill and then they'll just continue focus on material

01:38:59.480 things that are not even real.

01:39:01.680 Man, that movie hit on so much too.

01:39:04.380 And I, I rewatched it too at the perfect time.

01:39:07.880 Like, I don't know.

01:39:09.160 Right when COVID hit, I, uh, I ended up getting, I guess I got COVID.

01:39:14.840 I think I was sick from something.

01:39:16.060 And so I was laid up in bed for a couple of days.

01:39:18.000 So I went through and I watched in 2020, I watched all, all the matrix movies that were

01:39:24.260 made up to that point.

01:39:25.340 And it was just, it was just the perfect movie for me to watch at that time because I was

01:39:29.480 starting to, I've always had like one foot into the conspiracy world, but I was never

01:39:34.540 all the way in.

01:39:35.900 But 2020 is what pushed me over the edge.

01:39:38.120 And that was the perfect movie to watch.

01:39:40.760 Right.

01:39:41.120 As I'm going through this paradigm shift, you know, because there's, it's, it hits on so

01:39:45.200 much stuff, even the transhumanism and everything else, man.

01:39:48.580 What a, what a film.

01:39:49.800 I love it.

01:39:50.460 You know, the whole, it's like, it's like a documentary, you know?

01:39:53.060 No, I mean, you wonder, like, sometimes I do wonder, like, when I'm watching this, I'm

01:39:57.740 like, I know some people are very talented and they're really good writers.

01:40:02.560 I do also know about the brothers who made that, who are now sisters.

01:40:06.120 Yeah.

01:40:06.600 Kind of, kind of weird, kind of weird.

01:40:09.020 I've heard people, some people say that that, that story was stolen.

01:40:12.560 There was actually a black woman, I think that said they stole it.

01:40:14.960 But, um, my buddy, Brian sent me a, I think he sent me like a documentary from some other

01:40:19.800 guy who claimed he seemed like he had receipts that they had stolen that story.

01:40:24.900 That story is so deep though.

01:40:26.960 I mean, it's almost like, it's so deep that they really are revealing that this place is

01:40:32.640 artificial.

01:40:33.100 And you can, like I said, you can think you have one understanding what that means, what

01:40:38.040 I'm telling you right now.

01:40:39.180 And then some people might have a greater understanding of what I'm telling you.

01:40:42.480 And then some people might even have a greater understanding above that.

01:40:46.020 But the way that they're revealing everything that people are just going about their lives

01:40:50.300 and just oblivious.

01:40:53.280 And then there's certain people who are kind of working behind the scenes and certain people

01:40:56.720 are controlling the doors and the keys.

01:40:59.240 And you're like, whoa, like, yeah, it's really, it really is deep.

01:41:04.340 Like, you know, because it's funny, like, I like watching lots of movies because I do

01:41:09.900 like picking up the symbolism and I'm watching that one where, yeah, like I thought I understood

01:41:14.020 it on a certain level and then I'm picking up new things that are in there.

01:41:16.760 And I'm like, this really is, I know that there's got, I don't think those guys wrote

01:41:21.860 that movie.

01:41:23.000 It's, it's, I was just looking, there's a name, I've got it written down somewhere.

01:41:27.940 Well, there's some strange, he's not very well known.

01:41:32.340 He's like a psychologist kind of a guy.

01:41:34.660 He might even be a parapsychologist who wrote a book.

01:41:37.420 I got to find the information.

01:41:38.840 I don't have it on me, but it, it seems like they, at least the Wachowski sisters or whatever,

01:41:45.180 were at least aware of this guy when they wrote the script.

01:41:48.200 Because they did, they did base it off of stuff that's already out there.

01:41:51.940 Um, it, I see it with movies a lot too.

01:42:00.200 I mean, it seems like there's a great deal of foreshadowing in these movies, even like

01:42:06.300 2001 Space Odyssey.

01:42:07.960 Like there's a part in that movie where this guy's on a spaceship and he's interacting with

01:42:13.420 the AI and the AI is like gone rogue and is being hard to deal with.

01:42:18.920 And it's like trying to take over, you know, that movie came out in 1968.

01:42:25.060 Yeah.

01:42:26.600 Like, it's like, there's, there's a, there's a bit of a rollout to some of this stuff.

01:42:30.760 And like, another good one is, I don't know if you ever watched the show.

01:42:34.460 It's either, is it Mr. Robot or Dr. Robot?

01:42:37.080 I think it's Mr. Robot.

01:42:39.000 No, it's good.

01:42:40.760 It's like, it, it, it's hitting on stuff that's just about to happen in real life.

01:42:47.800 It's, and it, the way it portrays the reality of this world with the elites and, you know,

01:42:54.060 the, uh, the big corporations, which we saw that during 2020, like the corporations are

01:42:59.060 pumping out the narrative of the current administration, the current, that time.

01:43:03.500 So you see behind the scenes, there, there's this conglomerate of like shadow elites running

01:43:10.980 everything.

01:43:11.540 And that movie or that show, Mr. Robot totally hits on that, totally exposes all of that.

01:43:18.220 And it's crazy because the guy who, who did that was Ishmael.

01:43:22.740 I don't remember his first name, but, uh, he was like, he's obviously from his social media

01:43:27.960 accounts, you could tell he's a diehard liberal.

01:43:29.820 And, uh, but somehow he didn't, when he made that series, he wasn't like inputting his politics

01:43:38.480 into it at all.

01:43:39.400 He, he just got it right.

01:43:40.680 It's like, you know, it's like, goes back to the muse, you know, what it's like, some

01:43:44.900 people are, are getting their information from, you know, somewhere else.

01:43:49.340 So.

01:43:50.280 Yeah.

01:43:50.500 I've wondered, I have gone back and forth about what is the true origin of these stories.

01:43:56.580 I think sometimes they're ripped off old stories.

01:43:59.820 Like the, the mythologies of yesteryear, there's these repackaged versions and a modern story.

01:44:07.540 Yeah.

01:44:07.980 But then you get into the ones that are like, you go back and you realize they were telling

01:44:12.320 you what was coming.

01:44:13.620 And so there's two options.

01:44:15.940 You could take this and maybe it could be a combination of the two is that people say

01:44:21.560 that there's a connection between like the three letter agencies in Hollywood.

01:44:24.900 So they could literally be telling them, this is, this is what is a revelation of the method.

01:44:32.220 This is duper's delight.

01:44:33.560 We're going to put this in your movies.

01:44:35.260 And then eventually this stuff will come true.

01:44:38.280 Or yeah, like literally it could be channeled.

01:44:40.700 Like that these lots of artists, musicians, writers.

01:44:47.400 I know that famously there was this guy named Alan Moore.

01:44:51.160 Alan Moore was a really famous comic book writer.

01:44:55.240 And he wrote for DC and he wrote the movie V for Vendetta or the comic book that was, it

01:45:01.740 was based on.

01:45:03.020 Yeah.

01:45:03.120 This guy talked about being possessed by a demon.

01:45:06.300 He talked about using the Crowley method.

01:45:09.140 And there was quite a few other guys who were, I think it was like maybe David Thorpe.

01:45:13.860 There was a few people who wrote some of these real famous comic books.

01:45:17.420 Yeah.

01:45:17.840 And they were all using the Crowley method of, of, of writing magic.

01:45:24.520 They were writing based on magic.

01:45:26.020 And that's what they say.

01:45:27.480 Yeah.

01:45:27.880 You watch another movie like that.

01:45:28.940 You watch V for Vendetta.

01:45:30.340 Like you're watching this and you're like, dang, this is really, um, eerie when you consider

01:45:35.520 2020 and all that stuff.

01:45:37.900 Yeah.

01:45:38.080 Alan Moore.

01:45:38.840 He's, I've got, I got a bunch of his comic books.

01:45:41.280 Uh, and yes, I, I, I came to realize about him that he was very much into the occult and

01:45:47.600 he's rather open about it too.

01:45:49.580 Oh, he's yeah.

01:45:50.280 He, he tells you exactly what magic is.

01:45:53.320 Yes.

01:45:53.640 And so I think that's, I think that's a really interesting topic is that for like the

01:45:58.820 Kabbalists and people like Crowley, magic is not what magic is on TV.

01:46:03.760 Magic is literally changing people's minds, changing your consciousness in a certain way.

01:46:10.100 And so if I wrote, wrote a beautiful song, I wrote a man, I made a beautiful painting and

01:46:16.440 it made you feel a certain way.

01:46:18.460 Like that's literally magic.

01:46:19.700 And so they, through the magic, they can manipulate you.

01:46:23.220 That's what he was saying.

01:46:24.840 He was talking about like spelling, spelling spells.

01:46:28.520 He was saying the grammar, the word grammar comes from like a very fancy name for, I guess

01:46:33.520 this magic book called the, the, I think the grimoire.

01:46:36.580 Yeah.

01:46:37.180 Grimoire.

01:46:38.120 And he was talking about the art, the art, like he's like talking about like, this is

01:46:42.720 what magic is.

01:46:43.640 It is like art, arts and crafts.

01:46:47.240 I mean, yeah, it's like, it's really interesting to think like that that's the way they present

01:46:51.020 it in a very interesting, like a, it's not how you think, but of course it makes sense

01:46:55.940 now like that the mediums that we use and of course the mediums, right?

01:47:01.540 Media is television, television, programming.

01:47:04.420 And so that if they can influence people through broadcasting the certain magic, that's what

01:47:13.300 they're doing.

01:47:14.140 It's like, yeah, but he's, he's really candid about it.

01:47:17.900 It's like, if you know what he's talking about, you're like, yeah, he's not kidding.

01:47:21.160 He's not, he's not playing at all.

01:47:22.640 He's being straightforward and telling exactly what's true.

01:47:26.100 Yeah.

01:47:26.260 It's out there.

01:47:27.020 And there are people who are very honest about this.

01:47:29.300 I mean, Hilma F.

01:47:30.880 Clint, she's a surrealist painter.

01:47:34.420 She said that when she sat down to paint, she let the spirits take over.

01:47:41.740 She said she let them use her hand to draw and to paint.

01:47:46.820 So all her artwork, it's, it's kind of famous now.

01:47:49.800 She kind of got big around, I think she kind of came out around that spiritualist movement.

01:47:55.760 And the surrealists were really big in Paris in the thirties as well.

01:47:59.420 And they were, they were famously into alchemy and stuff like that.

01:48:03.040 So all this stuff is, you know, it's all, it's all connected, but Crowley, Lovecraft,

01:48:11.800 Carl Young, the list just goes on.

01:48:15.080 They all talked about how they were getting their stuff from, from somewhere else.

01:48:18.500 And like, I was just talking to somebody about that song, Black Hole Sun from Soundgarden.

01:48:23.000 Yeah, that was weird.

01:48:23.860 Yeah, that's a weird, it was funny because there was that eclipse last year about this

01:48:27.220 time.

01:48:27.680 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:28.220 And everyone was talking about it.

01:48:29.560 And some people were showing that video.

01:48:32.000 That video is really, really weird.

01:48:35.420 Yeah.

01:48:35.900 Like I had no idea.

01:48:37.000 I mean, I knew it was weird before, but I mean, like watching it, it's almost like that

01:48:40.840 eclipse was like showing what people actually, maybe what they really look like.

01:48:45.660 Or it was getting them possessed by demons or something.

01:48:48.520 Oh yeah.

01:48:48.540 Like, like what's that movie?

01:48:50.140 They Live kind of.

01:48:51.840 Yeah.

01:48:51.980 Mm-hmm.

01:48:52.580 Yeah.

01:48:52.860 Yeah.

01:48:53.240 It's, it's interesting because Chris Cornell in interviews, because people will always

01:48:59.040 ask him about that song because everybody want to know what it meant.

01:49:01.680 They're like, well, what's this about?

01:49:03.760 And he said he was, when he wrote the song, he was playing with words for words sake.

01:49:10.860 Like, and it, I kind of got the sense from what he was saying that he kind of let the

01:49:16.020 song like ride itself.

01:49:18.180 And I thought about like stuff I've read about with like William S. Burroughs and even, I think

01:49:23.980 Bowie did it as well, where they had this method of using like, so I don't, so it would

01:49:34.240 be like if you, if you were to walk around in circles in your house and in one room you

01:49:38.940 have a TV on, the other room you have magazines on your bed, the other room you have a bookshelf.

01:49:45.940 You're going through the first room and whatever's being said on the TV at that time, you write

01:49:49.860 that down.

01:49:50.860 Then you go to the bedroom and you flip open a magazine, whatever catches your eye, you

01:49:56.300 write that down.

01:49:57.260 Then you go to the bookshelf in the other room, pull out a book, whatever catches your

01:50:01.160 eye, you write that down.

01:50:02.880 Then you repeat the process.

01:50:04.600 And now, now all of a sudden you have six lines and then, and then Burroughs talked about

01:50:10.400 doing this and how a message would begin to form.

01:50:14.320 And that's what he was trying to do with his.

01:50:16.080 That is so, yeah, that's so weird.

01:50:18.300 I mean, it's, it's, to me, it seems dark to do that because I understand what like really

01:50:25.080 where the message is coming from.

01:50:26.440 So, but I mean, if you think without any kind of a spiritual influence, you would just get

01:50:31.440 nonsense.

01:50:33.320 Like, cause I mean, obviously if you listen to the song, black hole son, it does seem

01:50:36.820 like it has a meaning to it.

01:50:39.340 So like, just imagine if it was random like that and it still makes sense.

01:50:45.020 It's like, that's the kind of thing that it doesn't seem humanly possible.

01:50:49.680 Well, those guys, I think it's similar, like that if famously, if like songs like Stairway

01:50:56.360 to the Heaven, if you play it backwards, it makes sense.

01:51:00.880 It says like my sweet Satan or something like that in there.

01:51:03.720 And it sends, there's multiple lines that make sense backwards.

01:51:08.160 It's a really weird song forwards.

01:51:10.680 Yes.

01:51:11.420 Backwards.

01:51:11.960 The fact that it could have a message in there.

01:51:14.280 I mean, the idea that back, back masking is real, I don't think humans are capable of

01:51:20.180 doing that.

01:51:21.220 Writing a song that's catchy and good forward.

01:51:25.220 And then also can have a meaning backwards.

01:51:28.520 Like that, to me, that seems like, yeah, you're, you're, that is forces that we, we cannot

01:51:34.160 understand.

01:51:35.020 I know that's interesting.

01:51:36.700 I think so.

01:51:37.360 Cause I mean, you would have to, you would have to record yourself talking backwards.

01:51:42.780 You'd have to figure out what words sound like for, so, so you could, and then you'd, I

01:51:50.180 don't even know how to explain it.

01:51:51.380 You'd have to, you'd have to like rework gibberish to be able to make it sound a certain

01:51:56.480 way backwards.

01:51:57.140 Yeah.

01:51:57.340 I think it's like what you're saying.

01:51:59.160 It's, it's like forces at play, but all those guys seem to be doing some type of song

01:52:03.720 writing method like that.

01:52:04.880 Like if you look at, um, Gavin Rossdale from Bush, if you look at some of the early lyrics

01:52:11.120 from the early Bush records that it's, it's like, he went through a bunch of magazines

01:52:15.600 and just, they're very random lines.

01:52:18.540 It doesn't make any sense at all.

01:52:20.540 Um, but it's cool in the song because it's all artsy and stuff, right?

01:52:24.940 It's kind of, it's kind of edgy in some kind of a way.

01:52:27.500 Yeah.

01:52:27.780 And even, um, what's the guy, uh, Soul Temple Pilots.

01:52:33.400 Oh, Scott Weiland.

01:52:34.460 Scott Weiland.

01:52:35.220 Some of his lyrics have that too, where it's like the lines aren't backing you.

01:52:41.820 They're not telling a story.

01:52:43.140 They're just random, strange lines.

01:52:46.300 You know, it's like, I don't, I don't know.

01:52:47.980 I just think that those guys got into that sort of, I think they got it from William S.

01:52:51.280 Burroughs.

01:52:51.740 Oh yeah.

01:52:52.520 Yeah.

01:52:52.920 No doubt about it.

01:52:53.860 A lot of them were really influenced by people like the Beatles and, and, and bands like that

01:52:58.180 who obviously got really weird and psychedelic and who were obviously influenced by Crowley

01:53:03.240 because he's on the Sergeant Pepper's album cover.

01:53:06.780 So yeah, like actually it was funny.

01:53:08.520 You brought up that Burroughs.

01:53:09.680 We did it on our podcast recently.

01:53:11.940 We were talking about, there's this clip from David Bowie talking about black noise.

01:53:15.880 It was a really creepy clip because he's saying like that there's this, there's this sound

01:53:21.080 that can kill people and could literally destroy a whole city.

01:53:26.000 And he was like, see, he's like, that's something that Burroughs got really interested in.

01:53:30.140 And he was like, yeah, you could get a, you could get a patent on it for three or four

01:53:33.980 dollars at the local patent office.

01:53:36.120 And it was like, it was really weird.

01:53:37.380 He like, he knew a lot about this.

01:53:39.280 And the guy was like, well, how many people could it kill?

01:53:41.320 And he's like, well, it depends how much money you put into it.

01:53:43.780 It was like, he, it's like, he knew it was like really, really weird.

01:53:47.700 Yeah.

01:53:48.140 Yeah.

01:53:48.360 Like that he knew so much about that.

01:53:49.980 And yeah, obviously David Bowie was very esoteric and really strange.

01:53:57.100 I mean, it's funny.

01:53:57.560 Cause like, if you look at back at the things he did back in, I guess we're probably the

01:54:02.260 late sixties and seventies, it is so bizarre compared to anything else that was out there.

01:54:08.980 But it was good, but his music is good.

01:54:11.280 His music is obviously super talented.

01:54:14.120 Oh, for sure.

01:54:14.580 He's like the original sauce of fierce.

01:54:16.460 He came up with that alternate stage personality, like the Ziggy Stardust.

01:54:21.160 Yeah.

01:54:21.620 And he did it.

01:54:22.620 He, the word on the street, man, is that he was in the golden dawn.

01:54:28.360 Oh, I believe it.

01:54:29.480 I think it's really interesting.

01:54:30.660 Again, like we were talking about magic and then he played Nikolai Tesla in the movie,

01:54:35.420 the prestige.

01:54:36.260 That's right.

01:54:37.220 And in that movie, I thought that was, I thought that that movie really told an important

01:54:42.400 message that people, most people don't realize.

01:54:44.820 It's like that then the magicians in that movie were just illusionists.

01:54:49.020 They were trying to sell you a lie that people wanted to believe, but the Tesla character

01:54:55.700 played by David Bowie, he was actually doing actual magic like witchcraft.

01:55:01.460 So like, what did he say?

01:55:05.320 Cause it was the Michael Caine character was saying that guy's a real wizard because we

01:55:11.260 knew like the, the people who are the magicians, they weren't doing real magic.

01:55:14.080 So he, so Hugh Jackman's character needed to get a machine built by Tesla in order to do

01:55:20.960 actual magic.

01:55:22.300 And then of course it was, it was more like witchcraft, but I thought that was really

01:55:25.460 interesting.

01:55:25.960 Yeah.

01:55:26.100 Like, so that's kind of like in that movie, they show you that the Crowley and style of

01:55:31.160 magic is just, if you want to go to a magic show, you want to be tricked.

01:55:37.600 Right.

01:55:38.020 So like people will look to see how the trick's done, but they really don't want to see how

01:55:41.840 the trick's done because they want to be fooled.

01:55:44.120 And I thought that's a really deep kind of message about society is like that, again,

01:55:48.600 it's like the blue pill, take the blue pill and believe whatever you want.

01:55:51.840 So people want to be entertained.

01:55:53.440 They want to go on and believe whatever they want to believe, but they would never want

01:55:57.220 to see that there is a man behind the curtain.

01:56:01.060 There's a trap or they don't want to know that because they want to be tricked.

01:56:04.780 And ultimately they show David Bowie, Nikolai Tesla's character creates this machine that's

01:56:12.400 actual magic.

01:56:13.360 Cause like the theater operator says, Oh, it's been a long time since I've seen actual

01:56:17.040 magic.

01:56:17.600 And he literally tells Hugh Jackman's character to dumb it down.

01:56:22.420 So it's like, so not only are they performing magic to cover up the lie, but they're also

01:56:30.300 using magic to cover up real witchcraft because they don't want people to know that either.

01:56:36.040 I thought that was like, wow, that's like a level of another level of deep in this movie.

01:56:41.640 I thought it was, it's an excellent movie.

01:56:43.200 If you guys ever watch it.

01:56:44.320 Yeah, that's a good movie.

01:56:45.480 I remember seeing that one.

01:56:46.840 I, you know, this is those years ago, but Bowie and Bowie wanted to do an album, a concept

01:56:54.120 album based off of 1984, George Orwell.

01:56:57.780 And it's a really interesting story because he was trying to buy the rights off of Orwell's

01:57:02.720 widow to do that.

01:57:05.500 And she wouldn't sell them to Bowie.

01:57:08.140 So that's why he never ended up doing, doing the concept album.

01:57:11.140 But when you look into Orwell's widow, there's a high, high chance that she was intelligence,

01:57:17.300 British intelligence.

01:57:18.120 She absolutely was, in my opinion, because British intelligence bought the rights to 1984

01:57:25.780 after he died.

01:57:28.160 And then at some point, the CIA bought the rights to 1984.

01:57:32.000 So there's, there's this tangled web of like, but she was, they had her, they almost, it's

01:57:37.440 almost like they had her marry him.

01:57:39.340 He was like, she was like his third wife.

01:57:41.200 They positioned her to sort of work him for all this stuff.

01:57:45.160 So she wouldn't, anyway, she wouldn't sell the, the stuff to Bowie, but you know, all

01:57:49.580 those guys like Bowie, uh, obviously these guys in Zeppelin using sigils for their names,

01:57:55.800 you know?

01:57:56.020 Yeah.

01:57:56.240 What's his name?

01:57:57.040 Jimmy Page buying a Lester Crowley's house.

01:58:00.060 Yeah.

01:58:00.380 I know that the rumor is that they wrote that stairway to heaven in there.

01:58:03.160 I don't know if that's true or not.

01:58:04.920 Did you ever hear the story about that house?

01:58:06.900 I forgot what it was called.

01:58:08.940 Bullskin.

01:58:09.840 Yeah.

01:58:10.320 Bullskin house.

01:58:10.960 You ever heard the story about how it was, it was built on the land of where a church

01:58:15.980 burnt down.

01:58:17.980 That's interesting.

01:58:19.360 Yeah.

01:58:19.640 There was, the story goes is that there used to be a church there and the church caught

01:58:25.220 on fire with the congregation inside of it.

01:58:29.140 So the people in the church died on that property and they buried them on the property.

01:58:37.100 And then they built that house.

01:58:38.840 Right, right.

01:58:41.240 You know, my mind goes like, what was there before the church?

01:58:44.780 I mean, I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy though, but it was like, even like Crowley got rid

01:58:51.160 of the house because there was all these bad things happening.

01:58:53.480 I think like deaths associated in there and, but you're like, yeah, so I think the house

01:58:58.720 had this, this tunnel that went down to the crypt.

01:59:02.420 So like you'd go from inside the house under the ground to come out where the graveyard

01:59:07.440 was.

01:59:09.280 It's like, if that house freaked out, Crowley.

01:59:12.980 Right.

01:59:14.700 Oh, the housekeepers there, uh, weird things would happen to the housekeepers there too.

01:59:20.540 Like there's all the, like one of the housekeepers was talking about how like they'd be out in

01:59:24.920 the garden in the middle of the day and a shadow, a shadow would just come over them.

01:59:30.500 It wasn't from a cloud or anything.

01:59:31.840 It was just something totally supernatural.

01:59:34.220 Yeah.

01:59:34.680 If it, if it freaks Crowley out, I mean, my gosh, you know, they think that maybe he, he

01:59:39.240 did a ritual out there, kind of like a Parsons kind of a thing where they say that the ritual

01:59:44.240 wasn't sealed up or like, maybe like there was a portal or whatever that wasn't closed.

01:59:50.120 Oh, right.

01:59:50.760 But basically it was like Crowley was at the Bullskin house.

01:59:53.600 He was doing a ritual and he got a call from the leader of the, the OTO in, in London and

02:00:02.540 he had to go pick up his stuff and go to London for some reason.

02:00:05.900 And he never finished the ritual.

02:00:07.460 So they think that he, he brought in, uh, they opened up a doorway.

02:00:12.500 They never closed essentially.

02:00:13.840 A lot of people have said that maybe that the, uh, the Loch Ness monster was, you know,

02:00:19.460 kind of came into this realm because of Crowley.

02:00:22.000 I just thought that that was interesting.

02:00:24.200 Well, I mean, it's, I mean, I've heard that Crowley was the Loch Ness monster because he

02:00:28.640 was lived there.

02:00:29.700 I mean, you could only imagine the things he did and, and we know that, well, I mean,

02:00:34.300 I don't know this for sure, but he bought the house because of the, the wicked stuff

02:00:38.420 that had happened there.

02:00:40.160 So what were they doing there to try to summon demons?

02:00:44.840 And that's what another, that's another thing that people don't realize what, like,

02:00:48.080 like real witchcraft is, is that it's just manipulating demons.

02:00:53.020 So that's why they use sigils and all that stuff.

02:00:55.240 It's to protect yourself from the entities you summon and ultimately you can get them

02:01:00.900 to do your will.

02:01:01.960 But people like Crowley often mentioned that, yeah, like you, you have to be careful.

02:01:06.380 Otherwise they'll possess you and then they'll take over.

02:01:10.480 Yeah.

02:01:10.920 Obviously these stories do not end well for the people messing around with these spirits,

02:01:15.220 because if I'm sure that place probably was charged with demonic energy, but obviously

02:01:21.480 he couldn't even handle it.

02:01:22.580 And this guy is like the people that the go-to guy for these people who do that kind

02:01:28.020 of wicked stuff.

02:01:29.040 Again, it's so bizarre.

02:01:32.560 Well, let's just say, if what we were saying was not true, it makes no sense that you have

02:01:38.580 all these famous writers and musicians associated with this guy.

02:01:44.360 If you, if you look into Crowley at all, he was a wicked guy.

02:01:49.300 I think he, I think back in his day, they said he was the wickedest.

02:01:52.320 I think the Italian paper once wrote that he was the wickedest man alive.

02:01:55.860 Yeah.

02:01:56.420 They kicked out of it.

02:01:57.340 Yeah.

02:01:57.620 He kicked him out of Italy.

02:01:59.160 Yeah.

02:01:59.860 Mussolini actually, I think put out the order to kick him out.

02:02:03.060 That's how serious it was.

02:02:04.880 Oh, wow.

02:02:05.640 Yeah.

02:02:06.160 You know, again, you know, Mussolini himself.

02:02:08.620 Yeah.

02:02:08.760 There was a, I was talking to a filmmaker who was doing some work.

02:02:15.000 I think he's going to make it, maybe make a documentary on this, but in the mountains in

02:02:20.020 New Hampshire, Crowley spent some time in New Hampshire in the mountains.

02:02:24.960 And one of the mountaintops out there that was being used for rituals, you can see, you

02:02:34.500 can stand on that mountain and see like 20 miles away, another mountain peak where the

02:02:40.380 Betty and Barney Hill incident happened.

02:02:43.360 I'm not even aware what that is.

02:02:44.840 What is that?

02:02:45.700 That was 1952.

02:02:49.180 I believe it was these, it was a couple Betty and Barney Hill.

02:02:52.460 It was, it was like, they were like an famously an interracial couple or like before their

02:02:58.320 time.

02:02:58.940 And they were driving from, they were leaving Canada and they were driving down through

02:03:04.300 Vermont, through the white mountains to go home from a vacation.

02:03:08.360 And they kept seeing a, a craft and the craft started chasing them.

02:03:15.420 And, uh, basically they had a missing, like a UFO type.

02:03:20.340 Yes.

02:03:20.820 Yeah.

02:03:21.000 It's an, it's a, it's a UFO abduction incident.

02:03:23.860 They had missing time.

02:03:25.260 All this crazy stuff happened.

02:03:26.800 And it's like one of the most famous abduction stories in ufology.

02:03:31.960 And it happened right in this area where Crowley had been doing magic.

02:03:37.180 So, you know, who knows if there's a connection there, but it's, this stuff just kind of follows

02:03:42.340 Crowley around, you know, like, like a shadow.

02:03:44.640 Well, again, that, that being lamb, I mean, does look like what people would describe as

02:03:50.120 an alien.

02:03:50.780 If somebody, if you sketch that out, somebody would say, oh, he drew something from Mars.

02:03:55.140 Yeah.

02:03:55.300 I liked what you said earlier about it.

02:03:56.840 It looks like something about a Spielberg.

02:03:58.440 That's spot on.

02:03:59.740 Well, I mean, you know, I think it's interesting.

02:04:01.460 It's like that.

02:04:02.800 Did you ever see that movie?

02:04:03.940 Um, was it the faculty?

02:04:06.580 Oh yeah, I do.

02:04:07.600 I remember that.

02:04:08.200 That was awesome.

02:04:09.060 I love there's another, there's another great, there's another great clip in that movie.

02:04:12.340 When it's, I think Elijah Wood is saying that he's talking about like these famous people

02:04:17.280 in Hollywood.

02:04:17.780 And he's like, he's like, maybe, maybe they are aliens.

02:04:21.180 And that's why they always write about it.

02:04:23.020 Maybe Lucas and Spielberg are aliens.

02:04:25.260 And if you really think about it, not saying that they are, um, even though actually we,

02:04:29.760 on my podcast recently, we were playing all these clips of the, uh, these commercials

02:04:34.780 where they're saying celebrities are saying they're aliens really weird.

02:04:38.020 But if we never had Spielberg movies, would we really know what those aliens were supposed

02:04:46.520 to look like?

02:04:47.400 Because if you watch, especially like, uh, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, it might

02:04:51.320 be the first movie where they ever depict aliens looking like your typical gray alien,

02:04:56.580 where it's got big bulbous head, big old eyes.

02:05:02.040 It's got really long gangly body.

02:05:05.440 Yeah.

02:05:06.000 Like if, if, if, if not for Spielberg, would we see aliens looking like that?

02:05:11.000 Like, you know?

02:05:12.120 Yeah.

02:05:12.520 Yeah.

02:05:12.720 Again, I mean, I know that if they're, if they're re if there's any truth to any of the

02:05:16.260 stories, that's what people describe.

02:05:18.400 But I wonder if people describe those things looking like that, because that's what they're

02:05:23.600 shown.

02:05:24.320 That, right.

02:05:24.860 You're absolutely right, man.

02:05:26.160 That was either the rollout or part of the rollout.

02:05:29.760 I mean, I know it goes back to 1947 and you, in 47, you have a couple of things happening.

02:05:35.480 Uh, Roswell, Kenneth Arnold, and also George Van Tassel out in the Mojave Desert.

02:05:44.120 He starts like a, he leaves.

02:05:45.900 So was it, so was that the Babylon working with Jack Parsons?

02:05:48.660 That was in 46.

02:05:50.560 Okay.

02:05:51.320 But what's interesting about that is, uh, if you read through the transcript, the, he

02:05:55.760 wrote it, he documented everything Parsons did.

02:05:57.800 And he said, an entity came to him and said, finish this part of the ritual.

02:06:03.360 And in nine moons or nine months, this thing will be released on the earth.

02:06:09.000 And that was in like late March or April.

02:06:11.520 So nine months from that point would have been the beginning of 1947.

02:06:15.900 So you've got that in the mix and that's in the Mojave Desert.

02:06:19.900 And what's weird, man, is that George Van Tassel leaves his job at Lockheed to move to

02:06:26.780 the Mojave Desert.

02:06:28.500 Now he doesn't know Parsons or L. Ron Hubbard.

02:06:31.800 He just happens to move out there and he starts the most, uh, probably one of the most successful

02:06:37.180 UFO centers of all time.

02:06:40.180 He starts like a UFO religion out there, separate from what's happening with Roswell.

02:06:45.160 So it's like everything lined up perfectly for the rollout of this, uh, 1947, like the

02:06:53.840 UFO era.

02:06:54.900 It all starts in 47.

02:06:56.340 Right.

02:06:56.540 And it's a lot of these little things that happen separately.

02:06:59.480 Even the Maury Island incident was 1947, where you see the first men in black coming out of

02:07:04.420 that.

02:07:05.020 So it's like 47 happens.

02:07:07.560 And that's when they roll out this idea that we're not alone.

02:07:11.360 Right.

02:07:11.800 Or the notion, the American public is faced with this notion that maybe we're not alone.

02:07:17.260 There's UFOs and there's aliens.

02:07:18.560 Then you start seeing Close Encounters with the Fifth Kind, the rollout of like what the

02:07:24.840 aliens look like for sure.

02:07:27.380 So, but, but it seems like, you know, you've got thousands of years of dwarfs and fairy lore.

02:07:35.040 That was like the thing.

02:07:36.900 And then it's almost like overnight in 47, something new enters the mindset of humanity.

02:07:44.160 And it's this UFO alien thing.

02:07:46.720 And I know UFOs go way back before.

02:07:49.320 I know that they've always been seen, but like something happened in 47 where there was

02:07:53.320 a rollout.

02:07:54.220 And then I think you see Hollywood picking up the baton and showing us like this concept

02:07:59.960 of the green aliens.

02:08:03.000 Yeah, there's, yeah, we talk about that.

02:08:06.360 I know Brian specifically talks about that, that like what would be the modern UFO abduction

02:08:13.200 story would be like back in yesterday year would be like fairies or, or gnomes or whatever,

02:08:20.600 like some kind of weird creature comes in and takes kids.

02:08:24.240 It's kind of like I said, it's kind of like the story of Peter Pan.

02:08:26.740 Peter Pan takes kids out of their window wearing pajamas.

02:08:29.600 He's got a fairy with him.

02:08:30.800 Like that's what it would have been an abduction story back in the day.

02:08:34.840 Even like he was like, um, like kidnapping.

02:08:39.260 So kids are children of the goat.

02:08:43.640 Who was the goat?

02:08:44.940 Pan.

02:08:46.080 Pan's the children.

02:08:47.280 Yeah.

02:08:47.800 So the kids.

02:08:48.880 So it's kind of like when you say an alien abduction, you don't mean aliens are being abducted.

02:08:54.420 It means the aliens are doing the abduction.

02:08:56.200 So who's kidnapping?

02:08:58.160 The children of the goat are stealing children.

02:09:01.780 So that's what an abduction story would be like years ago.

02:09:06.740 But today it's aliens did it.

02:09:09.660 Right.

02:09:09.760 I mean, the whole point is like that there's this phenomenon that's really can't, we can't

02:09:14.060 put our finger on.

02:09:15.860 And it makes sense to like, if this is in like the zeitgeist of the people, this is what

02:09:20.780 they believe.

02:09:21.460 Well, maybe their stories are going to start to line up because maybe, maybe it was aliens

02:09:27.560 did it.

02:09:28.720 The whole thing is like, I think, I think most of it is a spiritual phenomenon.

02:09:33.440 And I think that, um, but I do think I do also, I also do think about that lots of the

02:09:41.440 crafts and things like that.

02:09:42.600 I think that could be something that, that our government has.

02:09:45.640 Sure.

02:09:46.080 And they, and they want to promote, they want to propagate the idea that it's aliens, because

02:09:51.600 if they do that, then people won't look any deeper because most people don't believe

02:09:56.440 in aliens.

02:09:57.440 So they'll just say, if you saw, you know, if you saw something crazy in the sky and you

02:10:02.580 say, oh gosh, I saw a UFO, I saw an alien ship and everyone would be like, didn't take

02:10:09.540 your meds today, did you?

02:10:11.280 But if you went outside and you saw, I saw this crazy new jet by the government.

02:10:15.640 People would believe you, right?

02:10:18.260 And I think that's why they want people to believe in UAPs and all that kind of stuff.

02:10:24.300 It's kind of like the whole thing, even with the, um, the drone phenomenon, the, the story

02:10:28.380 that just disappeared like a fart in the wind.

02:10:30.700 Everyone was talking about drones, right?

02:10:33.180 They drag these people from the Intel community in front of Congress and they're saying, we

02:10:38.620 don't know whose they are.

02:10:40.260 Does anyone believe they don't know whose they are?

02:10:42.740 I mean, like, I was just like, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

02:10:45.880 Then one day they just stopped talking about it.

02:10:49.220 It's like, they didn't want to tell us obviously who's they were.

02:10:52.280 They were ours.

02:10:53.360 Yeah.

02:10:53.580 There was some kind of agency that's, that is top secret and they didn't want to tell

02:10:58.860 people.

02:10:59.320 So the same way that they would rather people say, oh, it's something from Mars.

02:11:05.260 Then they'd rather say it's something from this military base.

02:11:08.860 That's right near your town because they don't want us to know what they've got.

02:11:13.640 Yeah.

02:11:14.120 I mean, I think that whole drone thing is either the government or to me, it reeks of aerospace.

02:11:21.360 The aerospace community.

02:11:22.280 And, and, you know, if you get deep enough in ufology, you'll start to see, there seems

02:11:28.800 like there was a shift.

02:11:30.000 I think it may go back to Nixon, but it seems like Nixon, I think that Nixon and the government

02:11:36.200 decided that they were going to take all the UFO stuff they had and privatize it.

02:11:40.300 So they turned it over to Boeing and Raytheon and, and the aerospace companies because, and

02:11:45.580 they sort of kind of washed their hands of it because I think that's possibly why it's

02:11:50.640 disclosure hasn't happened yet.

02:11:52.820 It's been able, they've been able to just string this out for as long as they have is

02:11:57.300 it's, uh, the government doesn't necessarily have all the information on the UFO files anymore.

02:12:04.000 I think it went over to aerospace and there's a problem there because in the forties, Von

02:12:09.860 Braun and, and the paperclip Nazis sort of infiltrated the aerospace world.

02:12:14.280 Oh, definitely.

02:12:15.760 Yeah.

02:12:16.000 Uh, you know, you introduce all these wacky characters in this as well.

02:12:19.760 And it's just a big Satanists, Nazis, everything, but, and it does, it goes back to the entities

02:12:26.040 though.

02:12:26.420 For me, it's like, like with your, your documentary, man, it's like, it goes back to these, like

02:12:31.220 for instance, um, Jack Parsons and, and Van Tassel, although they didn't know each other,

02:12:39.860 they end up in the same desert talking to an entity named Ishtar, Ashtar, the Sumerian,

02:12:46.200 Sumerian goddess of Babylon.

02:12:48.620 Um, they both independently said they were, they got, they were contacted by a divine feminine

02:12:55.640 goddess figure.

02:12:57.480 Van Tassel straight up said her name is Ashtar.

02:12:59.900 Uh, that's interesting.

02:13:02.900 Um, Parsons was calling her the goddess Babylon.

02:13:07.900 Uh, and that's who was to be released on the earth or to the West, in my opinion, that's

02:13:13.380 who was to come to the West after the rituals all said and done for him.

02:13:16.700 Cause if you look into the goddess Babylon, I actually looked into it.

02:13:20.180 I found a guy who took like seven years to write.

02:13:23.140 He's an occultist.

02:13:24.040 He wrote a book on the goddess Babylon.

02:13:25.920 And he said in her earliest forms, she's Ishtar, Ashtar, or Inanna, cause she goes by different

02:13:33.280 names.

02:13:34.540 So Van Tassel is saying he's being communicated to by Ashtar and he goes on to start the Ashtar

02:13:40.380 command and the Ashtar movement.

02:13:42.760 It's like this UFO religion that springs up overnight in the desert, same desert that Jack

02:13:47.260 Parsons is contacting an entity named Ashtar or the goddess Babylon.

02:13:51.640 So for me, it goes, totally goes back to the ancient angels idea.

02:13:56.780 You know, it's, you know, it's interesting.

02:13:58.700 And I just made this connection just the other day.

02:14:00.900 I don't know how there, you know, I can't, I can't verify this or anything, but I would

02:14:07.120 say that when people wonder who mystery Babylon is or the whore Babylon was in the Bible, I

02:14:13.040 think it's actually really clear.

02:14:14.100 It's, it's Jerusalem.

02:14:15.200 It's, it's, um, it's the reason she's a whore is because she's supposed to be faithful

02:14:19.800 to God and that's why it's like basically like Israel came out of captivity and they

02:14:25.860 went back into the land, but they have this mystery Kabbalist system in the times of Jesus.

02:14:31.560 So when Jesus is calling them out, he's saying how wicked they are.

02:14:36.440 It's because they were literally appearing to be this one way following God's commandments,

02:14:41.180 but in secret, they were doing all the wicked things.

02:14:43.660 So over and over again, the Bible does call Jerusalem a whore.

02:14:49.420 Also that they did worship like after the captivity, right, right around the time of the captivity

02:14:54.480 with Nebuchadnezzar, they were doing these drink offerings to the queen of heaven.

02:14:59.620 So it kind of makes sense.

02:15:01.000 It's like, it's kind of, there's a, there's both of it, but I think it's kind of interesting

02:15:05.740 the timing when Jack Parsons was doing the, the summoning of the whore of Babylon.

02:15:09.980 It's right around 1948, huh?

02:15:12.920 I mean, that's, I mean, I don't know if there's anything, I mean, that could just be a major

02:15:16.180 coincidence, but it's kind of interesting that Israel became a nation again, right around

02:15:21.740 that same time.

02:15:22.820 And well, they were, they were doing the talks to become a nation in 47.

02:15:28.040 Well, they were, they were definitely at that time, they were going over there, you know,

02:15:33.280 so they didn't officially become a nation until 1948, but they were definitely the whole

02:15:38.120 time they were going into the land then.

02:15:41.800 I thought, I was like, oh, that's really interesting because I never considered it like that, that

02:15:46.260 could have anything to do with it.

02:15:47.680 Maybe it doesn't, but.

02:15:49.200 Hey, you know, it's interesting too.

02:15:51.240 There's a story out there that I haven't been able to discredit yet that in 47, on one of

02:15:58.040 the nights that they were having a UN talk to establish Israel as a nation, that's when

02:16:02.740 they pulled the Dead Sea Scrolls out to analyze, particularly the book of Enoch.

02:16:09.240 Oh, that's weird.

02:16:10.320 That's weird.

02:16:11.020 So you have a guy who's, he's looking at the, the, the book of Enoch from the Dead Sea

02:16:17.120 Scrolls just to make sure it's legit the same night that they're talking about creating

02:16:22.160 Israel as a nation.

02:16:23.580 And, and, and if you look at the book of Enoch in like the first couple of verses, it

02:16:28.320 says, this is a book for meant for a, uh, a future generation, future generation.

02:16:35.800 That's really weird.

02:16:36.920 That's really cryptic.

02:16:38.100 Yeah.

02:16:38.240 I mean, that whole thing, it's like, yeah, what, what, what does it all mean?

02:16:41.400 I mean, I think some people know, know what it means.

02:16:45.280 I do think that, I mean, I'm not one of these people, I don't believe that, that the

02:16:50.000 pre trip, you know, the rapture is about to happen and I'm not one of those people.

02:16:53.580 So, but I do think that based on the Balfour Declaration and the people who were pushing

02:17:00.140 to make Israel a nation again, I do think that there's some timing about that, like that

02:17:04.900 they did it at a certain time.

02:17:07.220 Maybe they would have done it earlier, but I think it's really interesting, especially

02:17:10.800 the way that kind of the modern church talks about the rapture and they viewed, um, the

02:17:16.640 Israel becoming a nation again as biblical prophecy.

02:17:19.280 And so they were saying like, oh, well then Jesus is coming back based on this certain

02:17:23.560 timeline.

02:17:25.520 I think that, let's just say that's not true.

02:17:28.900 Let's just say, but the people who established Israel as a nation with like the, sowed the

02:17:35.500 seeds for that with the Schofield Bible and all that stuff.

02:17:37.920 But I do kind of wonder like that if that's what they wanted people to believe, why did

02:17:43.780 they want people to believe that?

02:17:45.940 Like, I almost feel like that there's still, whether the, if the, if the rapture is not

02:17:50.780 coming, what is coming?

02:17:52.520 Because I do feel like that there is a shelf life to that idea that people would accept

02:17:56.380 it for a certain amount of time because obviously people who believe in dispensationalism, they're

02:18:02.160 trying to stretch the definition, definition of a generation out in order to make it work

02:18:06.640 where the rapture could still be soon, I guess.

02:18:10.400 But what, after a certain time that's unfeasible because people will just have to say like, well,

02:18:15.960 I mean, it's, it, it can't be that.

02:18:17.760 And so I, I kind of do wonder if there is another plan for, I mean, I mean, I know that

02:18:24.280 there's another plan for the people who established it as maybe there is some kind of a, there's

02:18:30.660 some kind of countdown to something, which I don't know what it is.

02:18:33.120 Yeah, I think that I don't know what it is either, but there does seem to be, I like

02:18:37.300 that.

02:18:37.580 I like how you worded that.

02:18:38.400 There does seem to be a countdown, even like in the book of Enoch, when it talks about how

02:18:43.040 the watchers are to be locked up for 70 generations, Semyaza was locked up by the Archangel Michael.

02:18:50.740 God told him, lock them up for 70 generations.

02:18:54.000 And it's like, I don't know what a generation is because you can derive several numbers from

02:19:00.360 the Bible for that.

02:19:01.340 But if you were to use Psalms 90, 10's version, it, it seems to point to a generation or a lifespan

02:19:09.160 being 70, 70 to 80 years, but they say 70 years for sure.

02:19:14.700 And if you take 70 times 70, that's 4,900 years.

02:19:21.340 So, and what's crazy is the curse itself seems to be placed, have been placed 4,900 years ago

02:19:30.200 in the time of Jared.

02:19:31.100 So, you know, that's, I don't know how much you've seen some of the, the content I've

02:19:38.500 made though.

02:19:39.840 The one thing I'm sure of is this year is not 2025.

02:19:45.080 I mean, it's kind of just a, let's just say it's a social construct anyways, because the

02:19:50.500 whole ADBC chronology, like it was ever some kind of clean break where they stepped, they

02:19:55.120 knew when basically the first day of creation was versus when they decided what date it was.

02:20:03.180 I think that some of the research I've, I've seen, I think that our timeline could be up

02:20:09.480 at a minimum of like 700 years where it's actually off 700 years.

02:20:15.360 Yeah.

02:20:15.620 It's at the, at the minimum.

02:20:17.120 I mean, and this is based on, I, there was a German researcher, professor, sociologist.

02:20:24.500 He did something about, you know, research into stratigraphy and he established it like

02:20:29.720 the first millennia AD, there's 700 years of fluff in there.

02:20:35.520 And I think it's really interesting.

02:20:36.780 Cause I mean, so like some people try to like date, you know, like come up with time, you

02:20:41.220 know, like a lot of people who believe in like the raptures coming, they'll say, oh,

02:20:44.720 it makes sense.

02:20:45.280 We're about year 6,000.

02:20:46.660 So after year 6,000, then you have a thousand years, the millennial reign.

02:20:51.700 But we, if you believe the Bible, you can do a pretty good job of dating from Adam to

02:20:58.540 Jesus.

02:20:59.820 But the truth is we really do have to take a lot of things on faith that should not be

02:21:03.600 taken on faith from our timeline post the Bible as Christian.

02:21:10.320 Cause I think when you do start to look into history, as we've kind of already talked

02:21:14.240 about earlier in the American history, it's full of just holes or just straight out

02:21:19.040 fabrications.

02:21:20.820 So being able to trust what date it is.

02:21:23.380 Yeah.

02:21:23.640 You got a good point, man.

02:21:24.620 It's really, it's really hard to do.

02:21:26.780 I mean, like I said, you, you just have to take things on faith.

02:21:29.140 Yeah.

02:21:29.420 And, and when you, and obviously something like that, you should be able to have a lot

02:21:34.060 of receipts for the dates, but that's why they call the dark ages, the dark ages.

02:21:39.220 It's not because it was a bad time.

02:21:40.800 It's because they don't know what happened because there's a bunch of holes in the history

02:21:45.000 then like technology, I think it was like architecture, language, and, and culture did not advance

02:21:53.200 during that time.

02:21:54.560 Well, have you looked into the Byzantine aspect of that?

02:21:58.480 Yeah.

02:21:58.720 Well, I mean, again, there was like a thousand years, there was like a thousand year Christian

02:22:01.480 empire.

02:22:01.760 But again, like, I don't know that it was actually a thousand years because I think that

02:22:05.260 people, they, um, they tried to say it was this long because that's how much time they

02:22:13.020 had.

02:22:13.420 But I think that, I think the chronology has been wrecked and we might not have to do

02:22:18.420 another podcast.

02:22:19.340 Yeah.

02:22:19.400 I was going to say, it would take too long to kind of get too much into this, but just

02:22:23.420 put it this way.

02:22:24.000 Like there's people like, uh, Fomenko and Gunnar Heinsohn have done really good research

02:22:29.640 into the idea that our timeline is wrong.

02:22:33.080 And I think it's, this might not give you a lot of answers, but it gives you maybe more

02:22:38.140 of an explanation of why we've been lied to so much and why, why it's, why we have been

02:22:44.400 lied to and why we could be lied to is because history is a set of lies agreed upon.

02:22:50.200 Um, for sure, man, uh, maybe we can do that because I, that opens up a whole new.

02:22:56.660 Yeah, I know.

02:22:57.120 I was going to say, that's a big can of worms.

02:22:58.540 And like, we didn't even, we didn't even talk about Tartaria at all.

02:23:02.040 And so I'd love to like talk with you about that.

02:23:04.780 And then this, this other concept that you're talking about, like missing, missing history

02:23:09.000 and just everything that comes along with that.

02:23:10.900 That'd be an awesome thing to do.

02:23:13.620 Uh, cause I, and, and, and I'll, I'll wrap it up with this.

02:23:16.940 Um, I came across a map.

02:23:19.520 I want to buy it, but I found an old map for sale that has Tartaria on it.

02:23:26.380 This one actually has it like this one up here.

02:23:28.620 Does it?

02:23:29.280 Yes.

02:23:29.600 It's, it's, it's out of picture, but yeah, like this is like my, my wife got this as

02:23:32.920 something kind of just, I don't know, knickknack store or whatever.

02:23:37.220 And I was like, Oh, that's awesome.

02:23:38.700 Like reason for my background.

02:23:40.640 According to the seller and the seller's, uh, business, it's a real, it's actually a real

02:23:47.800 map.

02:23:49.520 Oh, I believe it.

02:23:50.240 It's the original.

02:23:51.200 So anyway, but the problem is it's like $2,000.

02:23:53.500 So like, I thought, I thought about, I thought about doing a GoFundMe and like putting out

02:23:59.740 the word on my podcast and seeing like, you know, if people will help me buy this map,

02:24:04.640 I'll, I'll unveil it on the show and I'll do a whole show dedicated to Tartaria and to

02:24:10.200 the map itself.

02:24:11.120 Because if you, well, we'll just save this for another time.

02:24:13.800 I'll save Tartaria for another time.

02:24:15.360 But the old maps are fascinating though.

02:24:17.520 I mean, it's like, there's soup, there's super interesting.

02:24:20.180 So yeah, there's, there's, I think there's, there's a lot to glean from old maps.

02:24:24.280 Yeah, absolutely, man.

02:24:25.580 And like JT, I appreciate you.

02:24:27.900 Like I, I promise, man, I wasn't planning on keeping you this long.

02:24:31.340 It's just been a great conversation.

02:24:33.040 I didn't want to cut it off.

02:24:34.300 So yeah, no, it flowed well.

02:24:35.760 I think that, yeah, I know we didn't get to Tartaria, but I think we, it might've went

02:24:38.980 better because we just, we just kind of let it roll.

02:24:41.720 So yeah, man, great talking to you.

02:24:44.120 Yeah, you too, man.

02:24:45.160 You too.

02:24:45.440 Tell everyone where they can find you and whatever projects you have in the works.

02:24:49.520 Yeah.

02:24:49.720 Well, so you guys see, my name is JT follows JC on social media.

02:24:54.780 So you can pretty much find me everywhere.

02:24:57.140 I'm on Instagram, on Facebook, actually Joe, I go by Joe Telford on Facebook.

02:25:02.960 I've been doing a lot more stuff on there.

02:25:04.380 JT follows JC on, on X, TikTok.

02:25:09.500 And my main platform is YouTube.

02:25:11.380 But if you want to listen to the podcast, I'm available on Spotify and Apple.

02:25:16.360 And my podcast goes under the term JT's Mixtape.

02:25:20.620 So I've been, that's kind of like my, my most weekly feature I do.

02:25:25.140 And other than that, just doing my live streams.

02:25:27.080 And we talk about, we talk about everything, everything.

02:25:31.760 Yeah.

02:25:32.240 I've heard your stuff.

02:25:33.160 I mean, your reels and everything.

02:25:35.480 And there's a story and I'll, I'll save it for another time.

02:25:37.920 But, um, I noticed that there's a lot of people who you've reached with your reels that

02:25:45.160 aren't necessarily into this stuff, but you've gotten like people thinking.

02:25:49.360 And like I said, I'll save it for another time.

02:25:51.460 But like, I saw someone in the comments of one of your reels one day who I remember from

02:25:58.600 way back in the day who is not into this stuff at all.

02:26:01.080 And I had the thought, man, this guy is getting some people thinking right now.

02:26:05.920 So we'll end it with that.

02:26:07.440 We'll end it with that.

02:26:08.200 Everybody.

02:26:08.600 Well, that's good.

02:26:09.000 That's, that's, that's all I can hope for.

02:26:10.680 Cause I think I understand, you know, you have to understand doing the things we do and

02:26:14.840 just being a Christian.

02:26:15.620 I kind of, I understood at one point, and this was something that really helped me.

02:26:19.240 And this is probably, this is what I can end with is that I'm just here playing seeds.

02:26:23.420 I'm trying to get people to ask the questions that I asked.

02:26:26.260 I'm not telling you, you have to come to the same conclusions about me, about everything.

02:26:30.900 But I want, you know, we want people to, to think critically about the things we're taught.

02:26:36.660 You know, there's certain things obviously you have to take on faith.

02:26:38.720 You better be sure about the things you take on faith and, and who you can trust.

02:26:41.980 Obviously I believe I can trust Jesus, everything else.

02:26:45.380 I'm asking questions about everything.

02:26:47.360 I want to see the receipts because I'm not trusting liars.

02:26:51.080 So if I can plant a seed in somebody and I want them to come to their own conclusions,

02:26:56.120 but if I can just help people think, I think that, I think this place will get more straight

02:27:01.760 if I, if I can do that.

02:27:03.560 For sure.

02:27:03.840 And that's what I'm, that's what I'm trying to do with this podcast too.

02:27:06.260 I'm just trying to get people excited about concepts and we have our work cut out for

02:27:10.500 us.

02:27:11.900 Everything we've been told on most days seems like a giant lie.

02:27:16.040 But I think we're, I think we're chipping away at this iceberg, man.

02:27:19.120 And I appreciate the work you do.

02:27:20.660 I appreciate you coming on.

02:27:21.820 I want to encourage people listening, look in the description below and go check out some

02:27:26.520 of JT's stuff.

02:27:28.080 And with that, we'll wrap it up as always.

02:27:31.300 Break the mold, conquer the realm.

02:27:33.340 And thanks for listening.

02:27:34.280 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:27:41.240 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:27:45.000 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, you've

02:27:50.260 got them.

02:27:51.400 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

02:27:58.020 And they have.

02:27:58.880 Nothing.

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02:28:02.700 There they are.

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Nephilim Death Squad - April 20, 2025

SUNDAY SHARE： Six Sensory Pod - Old World Mysteries, Psyops, & Pyramids w⧸ JT Follows JC

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