On today's episode of The Awaken Podcast, we are joined by Brad Lael to talk about crop circles, stone circles, ancient geometry, and much more! Also, we discuss the new Sunday Share concept and how we plan to continue to give back to the community.
00:05:29.680And as always, thank you so much for joining me on this awakening journey.
00:05:32.780In this episode, I'm joined by photographer, researcher, artist, and former psychotherapist, Karen Alexander, to talk about crop circles.
00:05:40.340For the past three decades, Karen and her partner, Steve, have studied plant samples, geometry, earth energies, and the consciousness aspect of crop circles.
00:05:48.860We discuss what crop circles are, who are what's making them, their geometric and symbolic curriculum, and their potential connection to the birth of a new world.
00:05:58.020This episode has current and future implications.
00:06:00.920So without further delay, let's get right into the conversation.
00:06:03.900All right, I'm here today with Karen Alexander from TemporaryTemples.co.uk.
00:06:14.680If you don't mind, let everyone know a little bit about yourself and what kind of work you do.
00:06:19.280Okay, so, yeah, I'm Karen Alexander, and I'm from the UK, and I have been looking at crop circles since I was in my early 20s, which is about 30 years ago now, and so all that time.
00:06:40.260Myself and my husband, Steve, we have been recording as many crop circles from the air as we can over those years and have literally flown over hundreds of them, and we work primarily in the UK, but we are obviously networked with other people around the globe because crop circles are a global phenomenon.
00:07:04.980And although the center seems to be here in the UK, they do happen in Europe, the Americas, Brazil, I think there was one just maybe a couple of months ago in Brazil.
00:07:19.820And, I mean, it's been going on a very, very long time.
00:07:23.180It's a little bit sort of like the UFO subject, you know, how long has it been going on?
00:07:28.780Well, it's been going on a really long time.
00:07:30.580And, yes, it's kind of one of those subjects that doesn't perhaps get as much attention as it should.
00:07:38.120It's an absolutely fascinating subject.
00:07:42.000It's incredibly beautiful as well, and, you know, and has a really wide and profound effect on people that come across it or interact with it.
00:07:52.980So, yeah, my background personally is in psychology.
00:07:58.460So, I was a practicing therapist for a number of years.
00:08:04.380So, I'm very interested and always have been very interested in the sort of the psychological side of it.
00:08:10.440And I'm also lending into the maybe the spiritual side of it a little bit as well.
00:08:16.120And I've taken part in all kinds of research into this.
00:08:20.740So, right from doing plant samplings, so sampling the plants inside that were then sent off for scientific analysis.
00:08:29.620I've done stuff on the consciousness side of it, looking at whether or not it's possible that human consciousness could affect the phenomenon.
00:08:44.160I teach other people to draw them as well.
00:08:47.520And so, all kinds of different looking.
00:08:50.240I've looked at all kinds of different aspects of it over those 30 years.
00:08:55.280When you mentioned the consciousness of it, I'm very interested in that, obviously, as well.
00:08:59.980I didn't even think about that aspect of it because I've been thinking about the spirituality aspect of it, but not necessarily the consciousness aspect.
00:09:07.920Like, is there a tie-in to maybe, like, human resonance with these crop circles?
00:09:14.100Well, I guess what we should start off with is, like, a basic explanation of what crop circles are.
00:10:17.080Well, that's kind of how long is a piece of string, really.
00:10:21.440Certainly, the earliest recorded circles photographically would probably go back to maybe the 1950s, maybe earlier.
00:10:29.420But there have been reports of crop circles going way back.
00:10:33.920And certainly, you know, you speak to, you know, the grandparents or great-grandparents of farmers and they'll tell you they remember playing in them as children.
00:10:43.780And then, you know, there are some interesting woodcuts, you know, that go back to the 1600s, which sort of showed something very similar to perhaps a crop circle.
00:10:58.680It's very difficult to know in this day and age whether it is or it isn't.
00:11:01.980But I think they first started to come to the public's attention, perhaps from the mid-1970s onwards.
00:11:09.740And certainly by the late 80s, they were starting to be reported in the press, in the mainstream press, particularly in the UK.
00:11:16.900And there was a real sort of global interest in it because the shapes had gone from being perhaps just a circle in a field or a circle with a ring or maybe a group of circles to things that were becoming more and more sophisticated.
00:11:36.280And by the time we got to 1990, that was a really big year for crop circles.
00:11:42.440There was a really big crop circle at a place called Alton Barnes in Wiltshire, which is sort of in the southern central England and was eventually used on the cover of a Led Zeppelin album, which is very good.
00:11:58.500And then, yes, then there was a real interest.
00:12:03.060In fact, my other half has this really great photograph of, you know, there is this big field.
00:12:11.140This is where the big Led Zeppelin circle was.
00:12:14.040And there's a long road that comes down the side, snaking down the side of the field.
00:12:19.880And all the cars are parked on either side of this road because people wanted to have a look.
00:12:25.560People stood on the roofs of their cars looking looking down into the field and you couldn't pass the road.
00:12:34.200So it really caused a big stir, kind of a bit like when, you know, you have a UFO flap and, you know, everybody's interested in what's going on.
00:12:44.240Everybody's fascinated and kind of awed by it all.
00:12:47.520And that's kind of how it stayed for a year, maybe a year and a half.
00:12:55.560And there were questions being asked about it in the Houses of Parliament here, which is kind of like your Congress in America.
00:13:04.980And then it kind of all got shut down, really, because that's when the first big story about crop circles being hoaxed was put out in the media.
00:13:20.520It kind of it kind of burst the bubble in the subject a lot.
00:13:24.740And a lot of people thought, oh, well, OK, it was nice while it lasted.
00:13:28.540And, you know, if they went to their normal lives again.
00:13:31.460But of course, the crop circles didn't stop happening.
00:13:33.780And in fact, over, you know, especially during the 90s and the early 2000s, some of them got increasingly large and increasingly complex.
00:13:45.060And but at that point, it had kind of, as I said, it had kind of really burst the bubble of mainstream public interest in it.
00:13:52.880And so now and again, there were the press might, you know, if there was something really amazing in a field, the press might cover it.
00:14:00.960But that way, you know, that's kind of the way of these things, I think.
00:14:04.860And I do think there was probably an element of needing to shut it down a little bit.
00:14:09.740I think I think the powers that be were a little bit worried about how the public were reacting to it.
00:14:15.620Not that it was in any negative way whatsoever, but I think that they felt that it was getting a little bit out of control and that something needed to be done to dampen it down.
00:14:26.400And I'm still actually a great believer that that's, in fact, what happened in the UK.
00:14:31.280It's very sad, but it is the way of things very often.
00:14:35.840You think they were putting out a hoax and intentionally is what you're saying?
00:14:52.980The news agency that that story came from, nobody could ever track it down.
00:14:58.460And, you know, so it was very, very interesting where that story came from in the first place.
00:15:04.720But, yes, I do. I think I think people I think there were people.
00:15:08.240People in certain parts of the government that were very, very worried about, you know, the possible effects that this might be having on on the public, you know, that it was getting them a little bit overexcited, basically, which I think they didn't like.
00:15:23.380So what else can I tell you about them?
00:15:26.220I can tell you that they they appear in all kinds of crops and plants.
00:15:30.660So and it and depending where you are in the world, it, you know, depends on what crops they appear in.
00:15:36.460So in the US, for instance, you get a lot in what we would call maize, but you call corn or soy because you grow a lot of that in the US.
00:15:45.940It tends to be wheat and barley in the UK, but sometimes it can be in things like canola, which, you know, has those beautiful yellow flowers on it.
00:15:56.280Or sometimes borage here or even linseed, which have like these blue and purple flowers on it.
00:16:19.380And obviously, they follow the crop growing season wherever you are in the world.
00:16:23.460So so in the UK, they they can begin any time from sort of late April, May time, right the way through perhaps to the end of August when all the fields are brought in.
00:34:41.840And then I also look at the symbolism that's being employed, what, what is being conveyed here.
00:34:47.640And, you know, and obviously the swallow has many, many interesting mythological connections to it.
00:34:53.940You know, but it, you know, it, I'm trying to think of the best way to, to kind of say this, but it's, it's connected to things like being messengers of the gods.
00:35:08.580Birds are always seen as either messengers or they are beings of the, the higher realms because, particularly swallows, because they very rarely ever land on the ground.
00:35:17.900They're, they're, they're a bird of higher places.
00:35:21.520And in ancient Egypt, they were seen as the herald of a new dawn, which is very interesting.
00:35:27.780And, and also the, the swallows, like the crop circles, are summer visitors here to the UK.
00:35:35.520They're only ever here in the summer, which is just like the crop circles.
00:35:38.080So, so there are all sorts of things going on, on, on that level as well.
00:35:42.620So I think whatever this is, it communicates in a completely unique way.
00:35:49.180It marries symbolism from human cultures, but then with this transcendent geometry as well.
00:35:55.920So, you know, whatever this is, it knows us kind of very well and, and knows us enough to be able to speak to us using our own cultural references.
00:36:06.940But then kind of marries it with this, you know, fantastic sort of geometry and, and then placement in the landscape.
00:36:16.340I mean, these things are here to grab our attention.
00:36:18.880You know, if you see a, you know, a 600 foot shape in a field, you're going to pay attention to it.
00:36:25.720I mean, also the way these things are made on the ground.
00:36:29.100So for instance, um, the way that the geometry works in the crop circles is that it always allows space for people to walk inside it.
00:36:39.540So, um, so normally when you, you draw geometry, you say you drew two circles and they were intersecting and there would be a place where those circles would meet.
00:36:50.520But in the crop circle, though, that would be slightly pulled apart so that there would be access to all parts of the interior of the design.
00:37:00.920So these things are designed for people to spend time in.
00:37:04.080Um, and, you know, they, I think this is important because the other thing that happens is people's reaction to them.
00:37:13.740And I think very often it's like, it's very similar to the effect you ever get if you walk in a fantastic Gothic cathedral or maybe an ancient Egyptian temple.
00:37:23.340Um, and what people don't realize is that, you know, number and geometry, it's actually frozen music because it uses the same kind of intervals, the same kind of, um, um, I say proportions and ratios.
00:37:40.600Um, and music has a very profound effect on the human psyche.
00:37:44.880And I think on some level, when you interact with architecture, whether it's, you know, your Gothic cathedral or your 600 foot crop circle, it has a, a subliminal effect that is very, very similar to, to music.
00:38:00.800And, you know, it can lift the spirit, um, it can, um, you know, cause awe and wonder, you know, it can do all of those, all of those things.
00:38:10.760And, and it does these things very often without you even realizing it's happening.
00:38:14.880So, you know, people go in and they think, wow, I'm having this amazing experience and not really kind of understanding all the elements that are, that are actually at play.
00:38:25.740And maybe that these things are designed to do just that.
00:38:29.800I mean, the amount of people I met over the years who would say, I've had some of the most amazing conversations I've ever had about life, the universe and everything inside a crop circle with somebody I'd never met before.
00:38:41.500You know, you know, is, I've heard that story so many times over the years and it's happened to me too.
00:38:47.080Um, but I think these places, I think these things are designed to evoke exactly that in human beings, to get them thinking about the bigger, the wider, the deeper, and to open our minds.
00:38:58.600There's a lady named Tanya Harris from the UK, who's done a lot of work on cymatics with buildings.
00:39:04.380And I actually think of, uh, a lot of buildings as like you just said, uh, frozen, um, music music.
00:39:13.240And so when people go into churches and things like that, and you can even see a lot of the cymatic patterns on windows and things like that inside of churches, there's, there's a natural resonance with the building.
00:39:24.360And so when people are in it, they have these, it's almost like a healing property and couple that with the harmonies of people singing and interacting with each other.
00:39:32.580Then there, you can see why these places are spiritual experiences.
00:39:37.000So do you think that these things are like, uh, giving us some kind of positive spiritual messages?
00:39:42.740Or do you think that because some people interact with them negatively, do you think that some people might be getting, uh, negative, uh, interaction or negative spiritual messages?
00:39:52.180I guess you could say, depending on, I'm sorry, depending on like who that person is and what their resonance is and things like that.
00:40:00.280Exactly. Exactly. You're exactly right. So, so yes, I think on the whole, they are mostly incredibly positive. Um, but I have been in, come across one or two that I've been in and I'm thinking, I feel quite unsettled here. Um, and, and I think that is to do with a, a dissonance rather than a resonance. And that's probably to do with me. Um, so, you know, I think you're not always going to react well to, uh,
00:40:30.280every, um, situation that you find yourself in geometrically, if you want to call it that. Um, and there have been a couple where I thought, no, this isn't quite sitting okay with me and I just move out. Um, but, but most of the time it's an incredibly positive experience that people have. I mean, sometimes people misinterpret their negative experiences as well.
00:40:54.380I mean, one of the things that you have to be careful of, of course, is that if you go out in the middle of the field on a sunny day and you've not had a drink or you've not got something to cover your head, you're going to get a headache.
00:41:05.380Um, and, um, you know, so it sometimes there's a little bit of that to it as well. And also, I mean, we spray chemicals on our fields as well, you know, which is not going to make you feel great.
00:41:17.380So, um, so yeah, I think you, you know, you just have to take into consider a little bit of common sense, but most of the time that the, the, the experiences with this are really positive.
00:41:29.140And this is a very, it's kind of, it's a very English thing, I actually think, because it's quite, it's quite genteel. Um, and while, while some of it is in your, is in your face, and I can understand why people find it challenging.
00:41:43.200Um, and why some people might be frightened by it, um, on, on the whole, it is, it's, it's something that you go to, you're not forced to interact with this.
00:41:53.600It's something that you choose to interact with. Um, I guess, unless you're a farmer, maybe. Um, but, um, but yeah, I, I think on the whole, this is a very positive thing.
00:42:04.500And it's, um, yeah, it's something that you're invited to, but you're not forced into.
00:42:09.560Do you ever, uh, do any form of meditation or praying or anything would, or not just you, but do people normally do that? Is that like a regular thing?
00:42:20.920Yeah, I think it is because I think, I think when you go in, in one of these formations that a, you want to walk around and have a look and, but then eventually people kind of find a quiet spot for themselves and they just sit and contemplate the whole thing.
00:42:36.680And, um, you know, uh, you do see people meditating in quiet. It just feels like sometimes it's the right thing to do. Um, it kind of puts you in that frame of mind if you like. Um, so yeah, it is something that people, people do a lot.
00:42:50.820And I, again, I think this is all part of the, the, the kind of the, the effect on the, the unconscious effect on the psyche, um, that kind of puts you in that, that frame of mind that you feel that you want to sit and quiet yourself and, and just be open to whatever it is that, you know, whatever experience comes.
00:43:10.660Yeah. Are there, do you ever see any negative interactions? Like if, as if people have gotten the Holy Spirit or something and they're kind of, you know, something is taking control of their bodies and things like that. It might be a weird question, but I feel like when you, when you go to churches and in the South, there's a lot of churches to get the Holy Spirit. And I think it, it has to do with earth energies interacting with people in their willingness to allow something in and sort of take over their body.
00:43:39.160Yeah. I mean, I, I just think sometimes if you, if you are, as I say, if you are in that open state of mind and, and whatever that, that you do, you do, you are open to whatever comes, you know? So, you know, I think you have to be sensible about it. Um, it doesn't, I don't think I've ever seen a really negative, um, effect on somebody like that. I've seen somebody, I think I've seen people who felt quite nauseous inside a circle.
00:44:08.600But again, it's so hard to know, is that a little bit of sunstroke? Is it that, you know, that they've been touching the crops and then they've had their hands around their mouth or whatever, you know? So it's, it's very, it's very difficult. And I, I personally, I don't think I've, I've, um, seen that now.
00:44:26.460I don't, and I want to clarify too. I don't think that the Holy Spirit is a negative experience. I just, yeah, I've, from my experience going to, um, different churches that have, where people have interacted with the Holy Spirit, they sometimes look uncomfortable. Like it's something is uncomfortable in their bodies. They're shaking, they're sweating profusely, that kind of stuff. So yeah, you're right. Just being out in the elements and being around, um, the chemicals and stuff from the crops could, could have an effect on you for sure.
00:44:56.040Um, do you look at these, uh, places as, do they appear in the, generally in the same spots every summer? Can you, you just know like, oh, they're going to appear in this field or this farm this year?
00:45:09.460Um, um, yes and no. So let me explain that. So first of all, yes, there are places that do get a lot of circles on a repeat, repetitive basis. Um, but it may be that in a certain area, um, there could be several fields, you know? So it's not one of those situations where you could sort of mount a night watch every summer and know that something would definitely be in that particular field.
00:45:39.440It doesn't work quite like that. But, um, but, and I mean, obviously the countryside is a big place as well, but there are, there are places like Avery or, um, there's another place called Etchellhampton, um, which is a big hill and there are lots of fields around it.
00:45:56.960They get a lot, they get a lot, a lot of circles there mostly each year, but it could be in any one of a number of fields around there. So it, it, it is, you can predict to a certain extent, maybe to an area, but, but not to a specific, not to a specific field.
00:46:12.840Yeah. Um, kind of a, uh, off the wall question, but do you, uh, do you think that these areas are, um, portals to other dimensions or, or do you think that they may be possibly almost like UFO EV charging stations where they come and kind of charge their batteries?
00:46:36.620And, um, do you have an opinion on any of that, of what they pot, what it possibly could be? Well, I guess I never really asked, what do you think the main, uh, what is your main theory on what they are after looking at this stuff?
00:46:49.280So for so many years, and then I guess you could answer that next question. Um, well, as I say, I think, I think, I do think that there is some other non-human intelligence that interacts with people in and around these circles. So I definitely think that.
00:47:05.360Just to get, just to make that clear is what I, that was, I know we've talked about it. There is, there is a, um, extra, uh, energy field interaction, earth geometry, all that stuff. But I wanted to get a very specific answer. I guess you could say, yeah, yeah, that will do it. And, um, do I think they are portals? Um,
00:47:27.560Like portal markings or door, like, uh, as if they're marking for other, I think, yeah, I think there are places in the landscape, whether it's because of years of human spiritual activity that are where I would say that the veil runs a little thin and, um, and that you are more likely to come into contact with something that we would not expect to see in our world paradigm. Um, and, um,
00:47:57.560So, yeah, I, I think, you know, I think there are places like natural springs, um, and, um, and places like that, as I said, that have been the concentration of human spiritual activity for thousands of years. And, um, and I, I do think that they are very special places that have a very powerful effect on the psyche. Definitely.
00:48:20.140Speaking of having that power, uh, special effect on the psyche, you mentioned earlier about the, um, psychology of it, the, you know, with the content with our, from a consciousness level, do you think, I mean, have you heard of the Schumann? I'm assuming you have, you've heard of the Schumann resonance?
00:48:36.500Oh, yes. Okay. So like, do you think that these things are created by, you know, like, like major events when princess Diana died or, or when there's a world cup or when, you know, there's a,
00:48:50.140the, the flood in Thailand or whatever the case is like, do you think that these are created by these world events by our connected consciousness on earth?
00:48:59.580Um, I'm not so sure about that. I think they do respond to things like that though. Um, I, um, I think there seems to be a sense of awareness of that. Um, I think, I think the crop circles are more like a teaching curriculum.
00:49:15.340Um, I think that, um, that they teach as a, uh, an ancient science, if you like. Um, you talked about your friend that you'd been, um, talking to about Hans Jenny's work on cymatics.
00:49:28.640And, um, um, I was first introduced to that back in the mid 1990s because I, I saw similarities between many crop circle designs and the designs that were, that were frequently seen in, um, in cymatic experiments.
00:49:43.940So, um, so I, I think it's, you know, and again, that, that links into the idea of proportion, number, geometry, ratio, and all of that.
00:49:54.040Those are all part and parcel of that. And of course, geometry is the thing that underpins all matter in the universe.
00:50:00.120It's the, it's the ordering principle, if you like. Um, so I think we're being reminded of that.
00:50:08.040And I think that's why very often they happen near our ancient sites because they're drawing a line that they're, they're saying there's something here, which we recognize and value.
00:50:17.760And we want to, you know, to, um, to show you that. So, um, so I do think, I do think there is that.
00:50:26.440And you look at the way in which the crop circle geometry has unfolded over the years.
00:50:31.420So as I say, they started off often as very simple circles and then you would get circles with a, with a ring around, or then you would get five circles that look like the five dots on a dice.
00:50:44.580Well, there's a geometry to that. And, um, and it was very evident early on that there was some kind of, um, um,
00:50:56.180you know, geometric curriculum to this. So by the time we got to, let's say 1999, we had our first cube as a crop circle.
00:51:05.440So the, um, the circle used what we call isometric projection to show a cube.
00:51:11.060So, um, and then we've had five dimensional images, um, and four dimensional, we've had hypercubes.
00:51:19.500So there is a, a real geometric kind of curriculum, but there's also been a symbolic curriculum as well.
00:51:28.400So I think it's, it's really interesting when you, when you draw parallels, certainly between what goes on with, with the crop circles and our ancient megalithic cultures,
00:51:38.620but then with a culture maybe like ancient Egypt, um, which used symbols in its hieroglyphics that there's a big connection to be made there in the way that this kind of language operates.
00:51:50.040And I do think it is a language, um, not in the traditional sense that it's a puzzle or a code or that we're being, we're being given blueprints to a time machine or anything like that.
00:51:59.820I don't think that, but I do think that, that what, what we are being shown is that there is kind of like this universal language that marries that this kind of ancient organizing principle of the universe with perhaps, you know, the culture of whoever is writing or whoever you're speaking to.
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00:53:54.040So I do, I think it's as sophisticated as that.
00:53:57.520Um, this would assume that we are a lesser intelligent species that would need to be guided and would thus mean that they're like, how come we, we wouldn't know these things intrinsically?
00:54:15.360Is it being hidden from us or is it like, um, I don't know how, I don't know how to ask this question, I guess you'd say, but like.
00:54:22.160I think, no, I think I understand what you're getting at here.
00:54:49.420So I think there's an element of that.
00:54:51.480And again, what these designs do is that they put you in a slightly different state of consciousness.
00:55:00.480And, um, and when you sort of do that, when you're looking at the circles, particularly when you're working with them intent, intensely, um, all kinds of things come, you know, um, I had a great mentor for many, many years, um, um, who was my crop circle and geometry mentor.
00:55:19.400Um, and sadly we lost him in, um, um, in 2020.
00:55:24.220Um, but, you know, he, he would say, you know, this is an intelligence test, you know, that, um, you know, that the crop circles were, were put on the ground as like toys in the nursery to see what we would make of them.
00:55:37.380Um, were we going to pass the test and realize that there was something important going on here?
00:55:42.540And, um, and I think there's an element of that, but I don't think that this is a, this is a language that we wouldn't be able to understand.
00:55:49.680Otherwise it would be pointless even trying it in the first place.
00:55:53.640But I think this is like a, like a school of learning to speak, uh, uh, you know, a universal language.
00:56:00.260But I do think that our state of consciousness is incredibly important in being able to understand it fully.
00:56:07.520Do you think that our governments of the world know these things and are keeping this information from us potentially?
00:56:18.000Cause like if we can go to these areas and interact with these earth energies and increase our level of consciousness and awareness and, um, intellect, do you think that they have a vested interest in hiding this stuff from us, so to speak?
00:56:38.940I mean, I mean, I mean, one has to say to an extent, yes, because, uh, you know, as I said, when the Cropsicles first started to appear and people got really interested in them, I think that started to sound alarm bells.
00:56:52.620And I just think it's because they don't, they don't know what would happen if it were allowed to go too far and, and whether or not that would present a problem to societal cohesion.
00:57:06.160So I think, I think the concern is on that level, um, you know, I mean, it's like, you know, we know that governments are very interested in certain cults and sects that, that grow up.
00:57:19.520They want to know what's going on with them.
00:57:21.440They worry about societal cohesion with these things.
00:57:24.940So I think there is definitely that level to it.
00:57:27.560I think the idea of a non-human intelligence and people interacting with it on a personal level must be quite alarming, you know, because, um, that's when things like being an authority breaks down, who, who, who do people look to, who, who are people going to listen to?
00:57:45.340So I think, I think there's that, some of that to it too.
00:57:49.100However, I don't, I don't think it has to be that way.
00:57:51.840I, I think that, um, whatever this, this, to me, this kind of process of an evolution in consciousness to becoming sort of part of a cosmic, um, society, if you like, I, I don't think it needs to be that frightening.
00:58:12.380I, it will, I mean, whatever happens, it will happen over a long period of time.
00:58:58.840I, I think there are all sorts of reasons that they might do that.
00:59:01.760I think a, because they might want to know first before anybody else, um, you know, and again, it's from that, that idea of, of wanting maybe to, to use something and exploit it somehow.
00:59:16.360Um, you know, you've only got to look at the, the, you know, the experiments that have been done over the years on human consciousness by our own military and, um, intelligence services.
00:59:27.320So, yes, I, I, I can see why there is a concern there, but I also think that they really shouldn't be as frightened as they are of it.
00:59:39.320Um, has there been an increase over the last few years in, in crop circles or, um, cause I, I kind of am in the, um, in this camp that we are, the veil is thinning a little bit more.
00:59:54.660We're going to be seeing more of this stuff. We're going to be interacting with this stuff.
00:59:58.080Has there been an increase since 2020 in particular?
01:00:01.960Well, I think that there had been an increase for a long, long time in the crop circles until around 2012.
01:00:08.860Um, and, um, it seemed to reach a real peak then.
01:00:12.880And then since then numbers have started to dwindle.
01:00:16.400So, but I think having said that the circles that we do get are fantastically interesting.
01:00:24.080And I think if I were to say anything, it would be that it's now about quality rather than quantity.
01:00:30.200So, um, so there's still, you know, and we've still got years and years of crop circles, you know, to, to go back and work on.
01:00:38.320I mean, it would keep you busy for a lifetime, just the ones that have already happened that have not yet been worked on.
01:00:45.080So, um, so there's a, yeah, there's a lot going on, but, um, but yes, numbers have, have dwindled.
01:00:52.600I mean, this year was a particularly low year.
01:00:55.820There were all kinds of reasons for that.
01:00:57.780Some of them, some of it was environmental.
01:00:59.540Um, we had a, uh, one of the wettest winters on record in the UK last year.
01:01:05.160And, um, it meant that a lot of the fields were spoiled and, um, they either didn't take properly or the farmers just had to rotate them in because, um, they were, they'd been underwater too long.
01:01:16.340So there was, so there was some of that going on.
01:01:18.760And I think maybe that's, you know, we might see a lot more of that, um, in the future, unfortunately.
01:01:25.680The, the number 2012, um, in at least the circles that I've talked to people, I talked to all the time, seems to be a very interesting year that people sort of started to wake up to a lot of things.
01:02:01.680Um, 2012 was really interesting for all kinds of reasons, even with the, the sort of the, the last Mayan calendar, if you like it, it kind of coincided with a time where we were coming to the end of a great astronomical year.
01:02:19.280It's about 26 and a half thousand years that we were coming to the end of this age world age.
01:02:25.660And, um, and in fact, the, one of the last crop circles that summer, um, had, had the number 2160, um, integrated into the geometry of it.
01:02:38.120And 2160 is the age, the, the, the, the period of time it takes to move from one age of the Zodiac to the next.
01:02:48.420So, um, so that was really interesting.
01:02:51.900So there was a reflection of that going on in, in the fields as well as it, as it actually happening.
01:02:58.800So, um, so I think world ages and, but I think that was also linked into the idea that somehow a new, there is a new world out there that we're birthing at some kind of new paradigm, some kind of new understanding.
01:03:13.580Um, and I think that's linked to many, many things that I think mostly though, it's linked to the fact that we live in a world or reality, which is much more complicated than we realize.
01:03:24.080And that we're, that our ancestors may have known much about, but we are now beginning to discover again, um, you know, and that we now got an opportunity to integrate that with also our modern understandings of the world.
01:03:38.620So I think that's why human beings are much more empowered this time around than maybe they were the last time.
01:03:44.340So it's, it's very, very, I just think they're, they are incredibly interesting times.
01:03:49.960And, and necropsicles are just one that they're kind of what I would call one of many transformative phenomena that are happening all over, you know, and people's awareness of these things, you know, whether it's things like people's growing interest again in visionary states, you know, through ayahuasca or, um, DMT, that there's a lot of that going on.
01:04:11.020There's the, the, the UAP thing, there's, there's this, again, this increasing interest in, um, the mystical landscape, um, um, and of contact with potential non or other than human intelligence, I think is a good way of putting it actually, you know, and that needn't necessarily be ET, that might be some of it, but not necessarily all of it, you know, um, that, you know, there may be whole realms of, um, living systems around us of which we're just not,
01:04:41.020we're just not aware anymore. And it's almost like we've been through this kind of, we had, I think we had to go through this, you know, I think going through the idea of, of learning, you know, science and the scientific method and all of those ways of investigating the world, that was really important to us as a, as a race, as a species.
01:04:59.820But now I think we've got the opportunity to sort of come full circle, if you like, and, and now to look at these, um, things again with new eyes, you know, um, um, and, and maybe to find ourselves in, in a new paradigm.
01:05:15.180Are you hopeful? I mean, do you, do you have, I'm assuming you're a very intuitive person because a lot of people who are in this kind of space naturally kind of feel more connected to energies, earth energies or natural processes.
01:05:28.200Do you get a sense of something good coming or something bad coming?
01:05:33.020It's really interesting. I, I, yeah, I hope for the, you know, I hope for the best and, and yet fear the worst as well. It's kind of that one of those situations there, there are a lot of things that are wrong with our, with our world at the moment.
01:05:47.160You know, there are some terrible things happening and sometimes it feels like we're going backwards rather than going forwards. Um, but I think at, at any point of any change, one of the things that, I mean, if you look at the human being, for instance, we hate change.
01:06:03.980We're not good at it. It's why a lot of us end up in therapy. You know, it's, you know, we just don't deal with it well. And I, and I think actually as a culture, we don't.
01:06:12.640So when, when we get to these pivot points, if you like, where our culture is about to change, you find that people hang on for dear life to things that belong to a past age until the last, very last minute with that, you know, tooth and nail, um, before the, before they become washed in the new age, whatever that is.
01:06:35.000Um, so, you know, um, and I think there are many things in our society that become dysfunctional before then we suddenly, that we don't see at the time.
01:06:45.020And then suddenly we do see it becomes self-evident. Why couldn't we see that? Well, we weren't ready to see it, you know, um, as a culture. And I think there's a lot of that going on as well.
01:06:55.400So it, I think when things are about to change, everything does feel very precarious. And I think people are, you know, full of, full of all kinds of anxieties about it and don't really understand why. Um, and I think perhaps that's where we are right now.
01:07:13.720Do you feel like you were being used as a vessel to convey this information in some way? Uh, you and your husband over, over the years, I'm not saying you're special in any regard.
01:07:25.400I'm just, no, no, I'm saying like used in a way to help masses understand this kind of information, I guess.
01:07:33.460I think, I think the way we've always seen it, um, is that we're here for people. So when people discover the crop circles, when they want to know more about them, when they're ready to know more about it, when they've decided that this is something that they want to pursue, that we're here.
01:07:49.780You know, that we can point them in, in a, in a direction, hopefully for good information. And, um, you know, and yeah, and just, you know, to be there for people when they, they need us for whatever reason.
01:08:03.380And for many people, crop circles will never touch their lives. It won't be part of whatever transformation they're going through. They may find it in some other way. Um, this is just one way that, that speaks to some people.
01:08:17.760Um, and when people feel like this is speaking to them, then, then we're here, you know, that's kind of what we do. And, and also to keep an archive of it so that there's a record of as much as we can.
01:08:30.480Um, because maybe one day, this will be important long after we're gone, you know, for somebody else to come along and, and, and really understand in a completely different and new way.
01:08:40.900I mean, maybe once all the crop circle shapes have been entered faithfully into an AI, we may, we may learn something tremendous about it. Um, but I think maybe I might be gone by then.
01:08:55.020Well, hopefully, uh, your work will continue to be around. And what I was asking is, um,
01:09:01.180do you think that you were kind of called to do this almost the way? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I think that's a really, I think that's a really good way of putting it is to feel called to do it. Yes. And, you know, and I mean, probably like you, I know many people that feel the same way that they feel particularly called to this, that this in particular spoke to them.
01:09:21.280I remember the first time I ever saw a crop circle. Um, I was, um, in my early twenties and I saw a picture of one in a British newspaper and it was in one of the big broad sheets and it was kind of in the sense,
01:09:33.980in the sense that it's a really big picture. And I was just absolutely awed by it. And I, and I was just hooked. That was it. I just had to know everything that there was to know about it. You know, that's, it kind of grabs you like that, doesn't it?
01:09:46.680And, um, so yeah, I think being called to it is a really nice way of putting it.
01:09:52.440Well, you, you mentioned the historic record and I just wanted to, I looked at some of your art and I just wanted to mention your art before we wrap it up here.
01:10:00.280Your art is amazing. And if you, if you don't mind, I'd like to show some on the videos on the screen real quick. Um, because I think it was, I think it's absolutely beautiful. And then you actually, you actually document, I don't know if folks out there can see, can you see this?
01:10:16.680Okay. Um, Oh, I'm at the wrong one. There we go. Um, beautiful stuff. And I clicked on this one and I've clicked on a bunch of them just to look through them. And you actually show the process of drawing, you know,
01:10:30.160these geometrical shapes and designs. And these are from real, um, real crop circles that were, were produced, right. That were produced in the ground.
01:10:42.300Okay. These are, these are incredible. And for those who are listening, if you want to support her work, please go check these, uh, amazing paintings out. And there's, go to temp, you can go to temporary temples.co.uk and look in the shop for all these paintings.
01:10:57.960Um, and, um, and there's lots of books and everything on here as well. And photographs that you guys could check out. And, um, I, I wanted to ask about this one though. I saw this one. Was this an actual crop circle or is this like a.
01:11:10.960No, it was actually a crop circle. Yeah.
01:11:13.360And it's a door. That's why I was asking about the portal thing earlier. It's like so interesting. Yeah.
01:11:19.200That's so, that's so fascinating. Um, yeah, but yeah, if you, if you guys want to check out the photo gallery, there's, you can look for, there's an archive of past photos.
01:11:31.280I'm assuming you and your husband and others, other photographers, I would imagine that contribute to this as well. Yep. Yep.
01:11:38.540But man, these things are so incredible. These pictures are so incredible and yeah. Amazing. And there's just no way that anybody could naturally do that. I mean, I can't even draw a circle on a piece of paper, much less do it over 900 feet or 500 feet or whatever it is.
01:11:58.600So. I mean, actually learning, learning to draw the geometry of this gives you a real appreciation, um, for the work of whoever does them because you know, they're really, some of them are very hard to draw on paper. Nevermind hundreds of feet in a field in the dark. Yeah.
01:12:15.140Yeah, exactly. I was, uh, I'm a painted, uh, I was painting something the other day in my house and just pulling off the tape. When I pulled off the tape after painting, there was like paint all over everything. And I was like, Oh, I got to touch up all these spots.
01:12:27.240And as I was touching up the spots, I was like doing like zigzag. Like my hand was so shaky and unsteady. So there's no way that these things could be done, um, by humans in some way. I'm sure they, I'm sure they can. I'm sure like practice and all this stuff people could probably do them, but to the scale and the design of them, it's very interesting. And they're always, um, and the reason I asked about the portal thing was because they're always spirals. They're always circular in shape.
01:12:54.740Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's always a spiral element to them. Yep. Yeah. Almost always. Yeah. I mean, you know, yeah.
01:13:02.260You said it's almost like looking at things from a top view though. So these things would have like four dimensional, five dimensional shapes is what you're saying.
01:13:08.820Yeah. Yeah. They have like, um, like, so one year we, um, had a, a five dimensional cube and actually what, what the design was, it was like the shadow that would be created in a 3d reality of a 5d cube. It was, it was really beautiful as well. Um, so, so yeah, I mean, some of them are really, um, amazing like that. Um, and again, to me.
01:13:32.820To me that, you know, obviously there is a geometric element to that, but symbolically speaking to me, that's the idea of there being a wider, deeper reality to which we are not currently aware.
01:13:46.520Amazing. Amazing stuff. Uh, well, Karen, before we wrap this up, do you have anything else you want to plug or promote, or maybe there's some researchers out there who need some love or, uh, photographers that you want to, you know, plug.
01:13:59.980So, um, first of all, I just want to say, please go and have a look at our website. Um, the, the archive contains hundreds of pictures. They go all the way back to 1994. So that's 30 years worth of pictures.
01:14:13.680It's completely free to use. You can, you know, it's an open resource, please go and use it. Um, and, um, you know, if, if you'd like to support us, there are lots of different ways that you can do that, you, which is all on the website. You can have a look at that.
01:14:28.360Um, and follow us on, on our socials. In the summer, um, we do put pictures out, obviously, of the latest ones that, um, that we're photographing. You can find me on all the normal social media.
01:14:42.380You just put my name in Karen Alexander or Steve Alexander. You'll find us, um, because our feeds are full of crop circle pictures.
01:14:48.680Um, and, um, what, who else can I tell you about? Um, let me tell you, um, about my colleague, Gary King, who does do a, um, a crop circle related podcast.
01:15:00.760It's called against the grain and, um, you can find him on YouTube and on Facebook. Um, he, he's, he's a wonderfully knowledgeable researcher.
01:15:11.020I've known him many years. We've worked together on lots of different things and his podcast is, is new, but it's really great.
01:15:18.460Um, and, um, yeah, and just come and interact with us. Um, you know, we do all kinds of things.
01:15:24.200We have a yearly online conference. Um, I, um, do some courses where I teach people how to draw some of this stuff and to work on some of the shapes using your consciousness.
01:15:35.180So there are lots and lots of different things to do. If you find that these circles are speaking to you in some way, we're here.
01:15:43.160All right, Karen, that was a beautiful way to end it and shout out to everyone that you gave a plug to. I have to check that podcast you mentioned out as well.
01:15:50.180And maybe I can get him on the show or her.
01:15:53.040Yeah. Him, right. You said it was Gary. Yeah. Okay. Gary King. Gary King. Okay. Yeah. All right. Um, thank you again, Karen, for your time. I really appreciate it. And, uh, hopefully we can have you on again soon.
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