Nephilim Death Squad - The Annunaki Revelation w⧸ Dr Heather Lynn

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00:02:03.860 we have a great guest today very excited to get this started uh saw her on tinfoil hat and

00:02:09.220 immediately reached out uh welcome to the show dr heatherlyn thank you for showing up this is

00:02:13.800 going to be a fun conversation well before we even get into the conversation let's uh let everybody

00:02:17.960 know uh dr lynn where they can find your work and what it is that you focus on i'm at www.drheatherlyn.com

00:02:26.440 it's dr heatherlynlyn.com i'm mostly on substack though but you can find that on the website as

00:02:32.920 well if you scroll down there'll be a big h files thing and it says you know well i'm on youtube as

00:02:37.800 well so you can go check that out but yeah that's you'll find most things on both both youtube and

00:02:42.920 sub stack right there so yeah fantastic guys go and check out uh dr lynn's work on our sub stack

00:02:50.740 and on our youtube and elsewhere uh what's the name of the website one more time uh dr heather

00:02:54.740 lynn yeah oh i should have known that um so so i'm i'm going into this one this is something that

00:03:02.280 that top uh he watched the episode i don't like to if i know somebody's going to be on the show

00:03:06.880 i don't like to hear um what they've talked about before because it kind of if you're a podcaster

00:03:13.520 maybe you've experienced this as a speaker you have a conversation with somebody after you've

00:03:18.080 already heard them speak at length on a subject and it feels um i want it to feel fresh and a

00:03:24.220 little disingenuous but so dr heatherlin has been talking about all the things we've been talking

00:03:29.020 about but from a slightly different perspective and like a well more research perspective coming

00:03:33.920 from an academic background, but please tell the people a little bit about yourself and then

00:03:37.700 we'll get this, we'll get into it. Oh yeah, we'll get into it. I have a long backstory,

00:03:43.360 so I'll keep it at a brief, you know, because people can look it up on every other thing that

00:03:48.400 they want to. I've been out there talking for probably a decade, maybe so at least. So, but

00:03:53.960 yeah, I do come from an academic background and I like to just tell people I'm not leaning on that

00:03:58.660 though, because I did drop out of high school at 16 and that's something that's a very important

00:04:02.920 part of my story. And so I ended up going back to community college. And I know a lot of people

00:04:07.300 will be like, whatever. And I'm really, you know, happy to have gone back to community college and

00:04:12.420 then ended up teaching at a community college. I really believed in the power of education. And so

00:04:17.420 unfortunately, though, that didn't work out for me because of different political issues. And

00:04:22.680 as I've told on other podcasts, threats with students that were needing help, not threats

00:04:29.740 because of me, but, you know, potential shootings and this sort of thing. So a whole thing went down

00:04:34.880 and it was really quite unfortunate because I really found that working at that community

00:04:39.220 college level was very meaningful and rewarding as somebody who started there and then gradually

00:04:44.160 worked my way through to, you know, master's in history and doctorate in education. And that was

00:04:49.760 my love was education because I believe that so much of what we experience is just the system

00:04:56.280 telling us what to think and not how to think. And so my teaching philosophy was based on a quote

00:05:03.040 regularly attributed to Plutarch, which was education is the kindling of a flame and not

00:05:08.040 the filling of a vessel. So that was my goal for that. And that's what school did for me.

00:05:11.800 I was a fairly good student in my childhood, and I had some scholarships for music. I played

00:05:18.520 in multiple instruments and this sort of thing. But unfortunately, I had an alcoholic mother and

00:05:24.360 some other assorted like back traumas and so it just didn't quite work out for me but i always

00:05:29.080 sought to come back and so after you know traveling the country living in my car before van life was

00:05:34.600 a cool trendy thing to do i uh you know had many misadventures and uh you know i'm grateful for

00:05:40.760 that opportunity i look at it now as an opportunity uh so but that i have an educational background

00:05:46.360 but that's not the interesting part about it i don't think because i think we're all tired

00:05:50.200 of credentialism and uh if you've ever been i love you know i mean i think that that was like

00:05:57.480 the gauntlet thrown down now and it's like nobody wants to hear it because the truth is uh education

00:06:03.000 is is very important was very important and i still believe in it however it's also a tool that

00:06:07.560 has been weaponized against people and so it's it's it's not a good enough anymore just to say

00:06:12.600 i have a degree because i know plenty of people with degrees that are just dumber than a box of

00:06:18.120 rocks or batshit crazy or both i don't know if we can use profanity here sorry oh you could please

00:06:22.600 it's actually encouraged i find it fascinating because you've gone through uh the way you're

00:06:27.160 describing here is is this um you know the the the intellectual institutions of america and then

00:06:33.160 you've come out the other end and you're discussing things that you know as far as i'm concerned

00:06:40.600 fringe isn't even a word that you would use to describe some of these ideas or some of this

00:06:44.760 research this is something that um at what point did you cross this line where you're in the

00:06:50.600 educational system and all of a sudden you you're you're fascinated um to this degree by something

00:06:56.840 that most intellectuals would would scoff at they would scoff at yeah yeah it's really wild so it

00:07:02.840 really deviated well i think like most things it was incrementalism like so as i said i went back

00:07:07.400 to school to get my associate's degree because that was the right thing to do right but then

00:07:11.560 i went and continued on and picked up things along the way and so i've just sort of done that

00:07:16.200 throughout life which is just going head first and just see where we go so i did that with my

00:07:21.240 work as well i was just doing a traditional path of archaeology and you know just seeing where it

00:07:27.320 went i majored in economic history which was kind of bizarre i did not think of that because i i

00:07:32.760 thought economics like that's just finance or something i didn't realize what it really entailed

00:07:37.800 um so it i ended up going in that direction a little bit because i was interested in system

00:07:42.840 theory and world systems and who's controlling everything really i know that sounds like a big

00:07:47.960 claim like but because nobody's there's not one person controlling everything but this concept

00:07:53.080 that there's this energy behind everything that is exerting a sort of control whether that's through

00:07:58.360 just media or just systems in general so that interests me but you know i had a very i guess

00:08:04.040 typical background but i was always interested in that sort of i guess hidden hand or the the things

00:08:11.160 that are occulted so things that are not seen and i did do that research in my masters and looked

00:08:17.400 into just different things about the enlightenment incubation system of freemasonry and just very

00:08:22.760 typical stuff though nothing too cutting edge and it wasn't until i started writing a blog about

00:08:29.320 out of place artifacts and hidden history and those sorts of things because i was inspired by

00:08:33.800 the work of michael cremo who wrote a book called forbidden archaeology that sort of put a whole

00:08:39.320 new take on ancient history and the potential for what he called extreme human antiquity

00:08:45.000 and i just thought it was fun and fascinating and i was really a big fan like many people as

00:08:49.000 as tired as this sounds i was a fan of art bell back in the day or george nori at the time

00:08:53.640 David Gay. That's a story. Okay. I think he called me retarded. Yeah. I guess he just didn't like

00:09:07.760 Whitley Stryber. Was it Whitley Stryber? And I brought up Whitley Stryber's book Communion.

00:09:13.460 And, um, and he hung up on me too.

00:09:16.680 Oh my God, that's hilarious.

00:09:19.620 Honestly, it was kind of the coolest, one of the coolest moments of my, uh, you know,

00:09:23.320 my teenage years.

00:09:24.960 But a big influence on us as well.

00:09:26.580 A huge influence.

00:09:27.420 I said, that's a guy that he really inspired me.

00:09:30.260 So, uh, you said something there and I think this would be a great platform to, to leap

00:09:35.260 off of.

00:09:35.740 You said out of place artifacts.

00:09:38.300 And I would be interested in, in knowing maybe some more specifics about that.

00:09:43.040 I'm familiar with the idea of having, let's say, hieroglyphics or concepts that seem to transcend geography and time.

00:09:51.960 You know, in other words, there is a theme or maybe even more so than a theme, something very specific, something very particular that is depicted in a people group of antiquity.

00:10:02.100 And then on the other side of the planet, separated by hundreds, if not thousands of years, and land masses and ocean, there is the same theme or the same particular depiction. And there's no valid explanation for it until you start to explore these other avenues. What sorts of out of place artifacts are we talking about?

00:10:23.340 well it was the typical sort of gateway drug into this stuff so it wasn't it was like the

00:10:28.640 baghdad battery or um you know some of these things which you know from my experience have

00:10:35.080 been maybe not the baghdad battery per se but some of these things have been um debunked or

00:10:40.820 you know researched and found to be just maybe not so out of place but some of them of course

00:10:46.500 are actually interesting like the antikathrin mechanism that was something that people doubted

00:10:51.540 was a thing at all really and uh some research what is that the anti-catheter mechanism yes it

00:10:57.560 was a very rusty sort of almost had a gear uh like thing on it and it was supposedly just a

00:11:04.540 piece of garbage at the bottom of the ocean or the sea and um grease and but these are the researchers

00:11:08.860 who were academics didn't believe that and they spent some time convincing people to help fund

00:11:14.140 them and do the research and they ended up finding out that indeed this was a uh essentially a first

00:11:20.880 computer calculator that's right i'm actually familiar with this image do you have it yeah

00:11:26.080 okay let's bring that up that's um that's something that i've only seen peripherally

00:11:30.460 they thought that this was just junk they just thought it was kind of yeah they just didn't

00:11:34.060 really know what it was because that's well it was out of place it didn't make sense to them

00:11:38.320 but if you see they did a in some of those images they did a reconstruction of it of what it would

00:11:43.180 have looked like and how it could have been functional and it was highly advanced of course

00:11:46.720 when i say computer or something like that it sounds like they had you know 5g i don't mean

00:11:50.740 it that way I just mean that it was very advanced and they were able to calculate and measure and

00:11:56.240 predict then different celestial events so it was important for navigation and probably divination

00:12:01.320 and that so yeah so I was intrigued by the things that were not quite explained and I think what

00:12:09.740 started getting to me though when I researched bits and pieces like this wasn't so much the things

00:12:15.240 anymore themselves, but the grand narratives that would surround them, the anger, the vitriol,

00:12:21.600 the passion with which both sides would speak on these matters. And I thought, well, this is,

00:12:28.400 I mean, it's just objects. I know it's important to history, but there was just something eating

00:12:31.980 at me that said, there's something more here. What is this? And so that made me interested

00:12:36.720 and curious. And so I would just explore all sorts of different claims. And I think the first time

00:12:41.360 that anything really shifted my perspective or at least direction career-wise fully was when I did

00:12:47.840 research into an excavation that was going on in Iraq in I think 2012. So it was an excavation of

00:12:58.080 Ur and it was very notable because it wasn't until like I think since the 70s or 80s that

00:13:04.300 anybody was able to go out there because of the war, anybody from the west specifically.

00:13:08.740 and uh this was a big deal and there was a press release on it and i thought it was interesting

00:13:13.060 and i wrote about it and thought well i'm going to see if i can interview the professor in charge

00:13:17.560 of this for my blog and i contacted them at the university of manchester and inquired and they

00:13:22.820 said sure send over the questions so we had an appointment and i had the questions ready but

00:13:27.300 before i did i thought you know at the very end i have all these people on my blog asking me for

00:13:32.220 questions about what about stargates is that what they're looking for and all of these things and i

00:13:36.620 thought well I'll just throw that question in you know and I did it and it was such a way that wasn't

00:13:40.960 like tell me were there stargates it was you know I have a blog and a lot of people wanted to know

00:13:46.340 this you know question do you have anything to say on this and granted okay maybe it was a little

00:13:51.760 insulting I suppose to to think that you could answer the hoi polloi with some question that

00:13:56.380 would have been preferred on history's ancient aliens or you know whatever but at the same time

00:14:01.420 I didn't think it was harmful and I thought it was just a fun little close and it was what the

00:14:05.640 people in my blog were asking and I was writing for them well they ghosted me completely and I

00:14:10.160 couldn't get the interview and I thought okay hmm interesting now I want to know more but

00:14:16.300 at the very same week because I put that out on the blog I put the letter I put what happened

00:14:21.080 and somebody contacted me claiming they were from Iraq saying like basically please help us there's

00:14:28.180 artifacts being taken out they're taking out tablets etc and I thought I I'm in my pajamas

00:14:34.240 I'm writing a blog. I don't think there's much I can do here in Ohio. Um, what can I do? I don't

00:14:39.240 know. But what I started to do is think, I gotta look into this. I have to investigate this. And

00:14:44.140 I started, of course, following the money. And, uh, that took me down some very interesting,

00:14:49.240 not to be cliche, but rabbit holes. And, and it, it led me to a whole different world that I wasn't

00:14:55.320 expecting. So instead of writing a book on it, I wrote a little report. It was like 40 pages or

00:15:00.440 something. And I put it up on Kindle and I put it on a PDF. And I just put out my immediate findings

00:15:05.780 and thought, well, I'm going to put pressure on these people to try to be more transparent about

00:15:09.640 what it is they're doing and where are the artifacts. Because the things that I found

00:15:13.040 that were most troubling were that the biggest funder of this particular excavation was Gulf

00:15:19.600 Sands Petroleum, who is a big oil company, obviously. And I thought, hmm, okay, well,

00:15:25.000 sure, maybe this is part of their like philanthropy or something. They are out there,

00:15:28.900 you know, serving for stuff, I'm sure, right? So, but then the second most interested party

00:15:37.320 was Baron von Thyssen of the Thyssen family dynasty. He was notable because his family

00:15:43.660 kind of bankrolled the Nazi war machine, got it started actually financing it. But aside from that,

00:15:50.400 he had the second biggest collection of antiquities to Queen Elizabeth II. So,

00:15:56.220 and particularly mesopotamian ones and i thought well that's a real conflict of interest isn't it

00:16:01.380 like so here we have an excavation there were many other price waterhouse coopers a lot of

00:16:05.820 banking institutions and families individuals that were just that that's who were interested

00:16:10.760 in excavating this very sensitive site can i ask you something about the the the um interest of

00:16:16.720 the gulf oil company do you think that that was a sort of a front in other words anyone looking

00:16:22.680 into that would not think twice about gulf having an interest in anything going on in the middle

00:16:27.800 east because oil oil um but we say on this show it kind of it's a tongue-in-cheek but we we always

00:16:35.300 say um if you think that the war in the middle east was about uh you know the the attack on the

00:16:40.680 twin towers that's the base level and then if you go beyond that you go well it's actually about oil

00:16:45.300 and then a layer beyond that is well it's about securing uh poppy fields and you know setting up

00:16:50.480 permanent military establishments and then on top of all of that it's like actually this seems to be

00:16:55.240 about the acquisition of ancient artifacts i think i think what you mentioned when you said that you

00:17:00.080 were studying economics the slippery slope is economics because that's what that's how i kind

00:17:06.260 of got into this uh i don't know not even not even a feel but like the libertarian aspect of

00:17:10.580 economics so studying hans herman hop and the austrian austrian school of economics gets you

00:17:15.400 to start looking at monetary policy and different things like that and it gets to a point where you

00:17:19.180 go, this doesn't really make any sense anymore, because you kind of draw it down to its logical

00:17:24.200 conclusion that, yeah, like throughout Antiqua, throughout human history, the dollar or money or

00:17:29.660 whatever it has been is just kind of like this weird construct that people deem value. And then

00:17:34.100 you go, well, why are these people trying to get it so badly? Why are they killing people left and

00:17:38.820 right to to, you know, hoard this money, even though it's fake? And then you have to go at one

00:17:44.040 point is it even about the money or is the money just a tool being used to position themselves to

00:17:50.020 have an oil company that can collect artifacts or fund the nazi regime that is huge with these

00:17:55.740 with these uh ancient collection of artifacts yeah yeah the nazi uh regime was super into these

00:18:00.960 you know esoteric kind of um objects of legend but but but is that what you think is going on there

00:18:08.360 with the gulf's interest specifically in in this whole area and this uh accusation of artifacts

00:18:14.840 well maybe i i mean it's it's hard to say uh they were a strain their their their background is

00:18:21.220 really odd they were actually based out of texas and uh had ties to the bush family and they've

00:18:27.840 had all sorts of different legal problems and changes of hand they're they still exist but

00:18:32.480 they're like dormant it's a very shady company um allegedly so i'm on everybody's radar so i

00:18:39.460 but i've put up their logo too for this particular project and it was a strange it's not on my

00:18:45.740 sites anymore but i should put it up um it's it was some logo that was having kind of strange

00:18:52.920 almost like sumerian figures on it that were holding this branch of power and it was just a

00:18:58.680 little like whoever was in this was really interested in it and i so i can't say what

00:19:03.240 was in their hearts or what their intentions were i only know that they were a shady company they

00:19:07.680 were doing shady dealings in my view at least they weren't as transparent as i would have liked them

00:19:11.700 to be they had uh and i'm very skeptical of large corporations that are often in trouble with the

00:19:18.260 law as they were yeah so there was that now when it comes though to the question because it's a

00:19:23.540 very good question about why is it money i mean that because you know okay money is power but

00:19:28.160 is power at the end of the day when when you're looking at economic systems and this is the part

00:19:33.440 that when i was younger i didn't realize fully i didn't i don't think i appreciated that it wasn't

00:19:37.920 about the cash economics is about the like control of energy flow it's currency it's currency flow

00:19:45.920 the energy back and forth in a closed system which would be governance or a business or whatever

00:19:52.080 and so that that money is basically like a fiat it's a unit that kind of abstracts out

00:19:59.040 or represents the energy that you put into the system so if you work at a job you know nine to

00:20:04.800 five and you're say digging ditches or something you're actually spending actual caloric energy in

00:20:10.080 the form of atp doing some labor so we can count how much that's worth in the system and we put a

00:20:17.120 dollar amount on it so you paid this much per hour or however and so everything so the money

00:20:22.080 is how we can bank our own energy because energy can't be created or destroyed right so it's like

00:20:27.920 this law of second law of thermodynamics thing so at the end of the day money is a really great way

00:20:34.400 to sort of control the energy flow that comes out of a civilization and that is i think a really

00:20:42.000 important thing to remember and that that can come by way of not only money but something like

00:20:48.560 an earlier system grain so grain was like the first money something you would trade

00:20:53.280 but it represented more overtly the labor because you could see that you spent all this time

00:20:58.560 harvesting the grain or collecting it or however and that was the labor that you put out you could

00:21:03.920 count how much grain you had but then to abstract that process that process out to a degree where

00:21:10.400 it gets very murky and we don't understand it anymore is the ultimate power so it goes from

00:21:14.880 something as basic as here's the energy i'm putting forth to cultivate an agricultural product

00:21:21.280 that also is form of energy because you're having that grain so let's say a grain because the sun's

00:21:28.080 energy is stored in that grain and then you can capture that energy as you eat it or if you're

00:21:34.240 eating in an like as an omnivore the animal eats the grass that captured the energy from the sun

00:21:40.560 then you eat the animal and so on so it's this whole system of energy it's very ancient and very

00:21:45.120 actually natural but when you start abstracting it out to a point where you say okay units and

00:21:50.480 measures we're going to we're going to put a valuation on the grain it's not just okay well

00:21:55.840 clearly you have five and they have three it's well now we have something else like so for instance

00:22:01.440 we can measure a foot of something well whose foot a foot's very subjective well it's the king's foot

00:22:06.560 whoever's in charge gets to declare how much something is valuable or what it weighs or what

00:22:11.760 it's any of that and that started in sumer to our knowledge of course with history so they started

00:22:17.440 this whole system of of understanding quantity and the base 10 system where it was like there's

00:22:23.600 you know 60 seconds to a minute and 60 minutes to an hour etc so this the the most important thing

00:22:30.320 in that control grid the most important because it's fundamental and like axiomatic is figuring

00:22:35.440 out how much something is valued whether it's from a weight or a length or an amount and then

00:22:41.680 putting a an amount like a dollar on it or grain or however it's an exchange of currency back and

00:22:47.200 forth but the trick that is pulled on people is that you can abstract that out to the point where

00:22:53.680 we're using like bits on a computer and we're flower petals flower yes exactly so you can do

00:23:00.800 that but you can now say well my labor is worth x amount but i don't even have cash i don't have

00:23:06.080 gold i don't have cash it's on an app and eventually it can be programmable based on other

00:23:12.240 factors that affect the energy and the currency in the system like whatever we decide you know

00:23:17.840 whether you were immoral when it came to your carbon footprint or whether you said something

00:23:22.720 we didn't like so that's a negative energy input we can do something about that but either way it

00:23:28.980 really divorces us from the whole point of the exchange and like the so-called free market

00:23:33.740 because you're just you're just not understanding it anymore they're leveraging things like

00:23:38.880 putting together a bunch of uh debts and then reselling it and then so they bank quite literally

00:23:45.240 on us not knowing or understanding that what they're doing is just putting facade upon facade

00:23:50.380 upon facade on that currency. But at the end of the day, when you strip it all back down,

00:23:55.280 it's about the control of energy, the flow of energy, your energy, and they want to siphon

00:24:00.380 off that energy. It's a detachment from these natural systems and it's an inversion, right?

00:24:05.240 That's got to be the scheme over and over again. And these are, this is like probably a psychotic

00:24:09.080 question. There's two of them. One, our base 10 system, why would it be base 10, but then we're

00:24:15.800 counting in measurements of 60 for like four seconds and hours. I got five fingers on my hand.

00:24:21.540 Oh, I see. That's just a crazy aside. And then also, why is then the proper or at least the

00:24:29.320 proposed proper value of money? Why do we look at gold as that? Because when I look at gold,

00:24:36.780 I see a shiny thing. I'm sure it's conductive and I'm sure it's useful, but there are other

00:24:41.300 more useful material. So why, why those things? Well, that's a, that's a very good question. I

00:24:46.960 don't know that anybody has like the answer to that. You'll hear the, the regular answer that

00:24:51.440 you'll just hear is, oh, it's valuable. It's scarce. It's durable, but it's not really, it's

00:24:56.000 very not durable. It's soft and malleable. So you're, you're, if I don't know that any one

00:25:01.860 person's been able to nail that down. And in fact, at this point, you could argue that it's

00:25:05.940 not valuable much at all since we're not on a gold standard. It's the petrol dollar that

00:25:09.660 everybody's worried about and fighting over at this point so i i think that the question really

00:25:15.660 you'd have to go back to a very long time ago and answer it there and so then why were the

00:25:22.460 people throughout prehistory and history interested in mining that and most of the

00:25:27.740 explanations the traditional explanations which i don't have a problem with i i think associated

00:25:32.700 most with the sun the uh the beauty and the glory of the sun the fact that it's uh shiny and that

00:25:39.260 sounds very simplistic but you will hear people say well it has this uh property whether it's

00:25:46.060 you know conductive or it has some magical powers essentially or like free energy and and you know

00:25:51.500 anything's possible in terms of what the ancients could have known and used that for uh but at the

00:25:57.500 end of the day i think that's just a unanswerable question with any sort of real evidence other than

00:26:03.500 well it's it's rare but i don't really think that it's just that because you do see that through

00:26:08.140 all sorts of different cultures they value gold right so but then there's the question too of

00:26:14.620 was it because of them trading because there were early trade routes like a lot earlier than we even

00:26:21.340 realize that's been something that has been controversial to say but more evidence has shown

00:26:26.540 that there has been a gold trade uh they've they have found gold from all over just in places it

00:26:32.780 shouldn't have been um another another interesting thing like tin like they were mining tin uh so i

00:26:39.340 think that was just i don't know i mean that that's that that's i don't have an answer really

00:26:44.220 for that other than the traditional one but it is interesting to note but you did raise something

00:26:48.940 about the like why is it the uh base 10 and i think it it does really just as as unromantic as

00:26:56.220 this sounds it does come down to just like fingers you know but it but there is a mathematical reason

00:27:02.300 for it because it um it it they were able they were very advanced with their knowledge and of

00:27:10.140 like mathematics and observation of systems and so if you look in the british museum there's about

00:27:17.740 half not in the british museum but in all the museums there's about half a million tablets

00:27:23.100 sumerian tablets that are in existence and many of them haven't been translated but a lot of them

00:27:28.620 are in the British Museum in their archives and to this day there are mathematicians and people who

00:27:35.020 have written papers on this that have had trouble cracking the code to some sort of problem that

00:27:39.580 they were having particularly in geometry and they went to study those tablets and sure enough they

00:27:45.980 found the answers there and so that's interesting because you would think that well they wouldn't

00:27:50.460 know these advanced calculations or there's evidence that they even had calculus before

00:27:54.780 the europeans did we often think that the europeans invented calculus but there's

00:27:59.820 evidence that's been in a peer-reviewed journal that the sumerians were using calculus to track

00:28:05.580 the motion of jupiter and so they understood it was it starts with the fingers because it's like

00:28:11.100 they're right here and you can count but they understood and how that could be used in a

00:28:16.540 mathematic system pertaining particularly to like a circle and um so they were just when people say

00:28:22.540 say were they advanced they were absolutely far and away more advanced than we give them credit

00:28:27.100 for the problem is is when you start claiming that they also had like you know maybe spaceships that

00:28:32.720 were flying around and doing all these other things and the internet and and what have you

00:28:36.780 because that places our culture onto them and then when you can easily sort of disprove that

00:28:42.100 in one way or another or at least not find supportive evidence then you throw the baby

00:28:45.980 out with the bath water and think well you know they're just uncivilized individuals or something

00:28:50.260 like that. But even our scientists now are looking back at their

00:28:54.360 mathematic and astronomical records to try to validate their own

00:28:58.200 scientific findings. And like I said, you can Google that somewhere. That's a basic

00:29:02.240 well-known, you know, science and peer review. So quite

00:29:06.240 fascinating, though. I want to ask you something. It might also

00:29:10.360 be crazy, but this has got to be something that comes up in your work.

00:29:14.440 This is a bad show. I would love to know from your perspective, actually

00:29:18.200 looking at these things intimately from an academic point of view what then did you make of these email

00:29:24.560 correspondence between i think it was like somebody on hillary i'm sure you've gotten this

00:29:28.560 question before on hillary's um you know team asking about the location of gilgamesh's uh the

00:29:35.740 resurrection chamber of gilgamesh which is a mesopotamian epic right uh that that's a character

00:29:41.800 from a mess of taming epic people think that gilgamesh is interchangeable with nimrod a biblical

00:29:47.900 character and um he's also depicted as like anunnaki like holding a lion he's like grabbing

00:29:54.040 like it's a pet um and then of course there are these weird i don't know if you've seen them

00:29:58.240 videos that fly around on the internet and likely fake impossible to to validate in any meaningful

00:30:03.880 way but you know it's it's somebody recording what people claim to be gilgamesh and this character

00:30:10.240 like looks like his skin is bronze and his beard is immaculate somehow in perfect shape which i

00:30:15.120 don't know you know the conditions uh of of um deterioration when it comes to some otherworldly

00:30:22.080 being right if that's truly what yogamesh was and also the the location of the buried nephilim i

00:30:27.680 mean this has got a there's some markers that that go up right when you hear this sort of thing given

00:30:34.240 your research what did you make of all of that well i'm gonna just really disappoint here

00:30:38.800 because um most of the things that i've seen are super fake now not the emails the emails are clear

00:30:45.520 they were looking for something um however the video that comes up and shows that that dude um

00:30:52.400 i yeah when that was first out i i went to the extreme to try to locate the source of that and

00:30:58.320 i did and i don't it's it's been so off my radar now because i just sort of once i found it i

00:31:02.400 thought oh forget this um but it was like a prop for a movie that like a little indie movie it

00:31:08.080 It was just, it was, it was, I found enough evidence to satisfy me that it

00:31:11.340 was completely made of wax and fake.

00:31:13.240 And I know people are going to be very disappointed because that's a big,

00:31:15.940 big internet thing.

00:31:16.720 It makes the rounds, but the hair looks like it's made of, um, like a doll's

00:31:20.460 hair, like polyurethane or something like that.

00:31:22.960 Like it's not, it looks like it would melt if you lit it on fire.

00:31:25.660 Totally fake.

00:31:26.340 Yeah, it was totally fake.

00:31:28.000 And so, but if people want to believe that's on them, I, but when it comes

00:31:31.960 to something like the, this is where it's interesting when it comes to something

00:31:36.180 like giants for instance um i like to try to make sure people understand that the when you say giant

00:31:43.540 it's not the jolly green giant where we're talking some massive like you know thing but but individuals

00:31:49.860 of great height and stature uh there is evidence out there to suggest that that is possible and

00:31:55.940 there have been people all over trying to find those those burial grounds in particular uh

00:32:00.660 strangely enough abraham lincoln who was interested very much in finding that and he

00:32:05.940 traveled through ohio looking through the mounds trying to find evidence for the giants some say

00:32:12.020 because he was himself tall and so maybe that was something that he was fascinated with because of

00:32:17.300 that but um in terms of the the the giant question because that usually gets wrapped up with that

00:32:24.340 um i think there's some there's some interesting leads to follow on that but when you connect it

00:32:30.180 to some of the sumerian art mesopotamian art overall and you see those giant figures uh there's

00:32:37.460 a lot to a lot of that wasn't to scale you know a lot of it wasn't exactly you know some people

00:32:45.060 will argue well it's big on the steel so it has and all these other little people are small so

00:32:50.020 therefore they were giant but then again they were giant in stature in their position so i think i

00:32:57.220 think the biggest thing that i would like to point out with all of this because i am out here talking

00:33:02.580 about the anunnaki i've been on h and aliens a bunch and this is sort of the thing that i found

00:33:06.980 myself in as i was studying and researching and trying to figure out why is the anunnaki a thing

00:33:13.460 because i didn't i didn't have an interest in it initially it wasn't until i started seeing

00:33:18.500 other people have this interest and i'm not just saying the people who were looking at my blog

00:33:22.660 back in the day what was interesting was when i put out the report about the excavation who started

00:33:29.780 to contact me and that is the thing that really flipped my whole world upside down to this day

00:33:36.820 even and it led me down a 10-year journey that i'm just now starting to um i don't know to understand

00:33:44.980 more fully and respond to i think more appropriately and so i guess not to be vague but i started

00:33:51.060 getting contacted by people in positions of power that I would never in my life would have thought

00:33:56.980 cared about the Anunnaki, let alone some like 40 page little thing on my website. And I didn't

00:34:05.340 understand why these people were contacting me, why they were so interested in it. Literally

00:34:10.420 billionaires, individuals who said they were associated with governments, individuals who

00:34:17.120 said they were associated with royal families who i was satisfied that they were based on their

00:34:22.080 photographs and their other things that they sent me and then also individuals who claim to be part

00:34:28.880 of a very dark organizations and not all at once mind you it was like a trickle effect so within

00:34:34.240 the maybe three years after publishing that and again it was just a weird little i i still don't

00:34:41.440 understand i think that's something that i've spent all this time trying to wrap my mind around

00:34:46.080 and that is what has been spurring my interest and so the first thing of course i'm going to do is

00:34:50.480 figure out is it the anunnaki why are they so into this into this and so i wrote a book called the

00:34:54.880 anunnaki connection where i am trying to connect everything like i'm doing an overview like okay

00:35:00.160 well there's the sitchin there's dr michael heiser there's all of these different things like what's

00:35:04.800 going on and so i i wasn't satisfied with anything after that and unfortunately like many books i i

00:35:12.560 left with more questions and i had answers so it necessitated a follow-up which is the new book

00:35:17.280 anunnaki revelation and that one is a continuation still but just sort of showing the things that

00:35:24.000 i have come across since and uh i i've had

00:35:32.080 i've had a journey and my my ideas have shifted we'll say um to a great degree and i've they've

00:35:40.320 been shifting for a while and i've it took me into very dark places which is so bizarre to say

00:35:51.280 because if you start out looking into archaeology and then you find some ancient civilization and

00:35:57.280 then they're gods and then you write about things that are kind of fun like giants or stargates

00:36:03.360 instead of asking is there a stargate i started asking different questions because i just couldn't

00:36:08.320 be satisfied with if i am here you know with my little life and abilities and lack of resources

00:36:15.440 and i can debunk this stuff why are people in positions of power contacting me this makes no

00:36:21.200 sense and so it's troubled me for a very long time and that is what kept me going and asking

00:36:26.880 the question why the anunnaki so with stargates for an example instead of asking you know are

00:36:32.240 there stargates i started asking what is a stargate what are the on and like just really having to

00:36:37.600 ask different questions are these occult blinds of course i didn't use that term then because i

00:36:42.320 wasn't familiar with it but the closer i got and the more conversations i had with people who were

00:36:47.600 affiliated with things that i never would have thought had anything to do with the anunnaki

00:36:53.440 or topics on coast to coast or even ancient aliens or anything like that that were actually

00:36:58.400 not so fun anymore they were really dark i i didn't understand and so that's why even still

00:37:05.280 When I wrote a book about Baphomet, people who were following me for the Anunnaki literally

00:37:10.400 were like, why are you writing about Baphomet?

00:37:12.400 I'm like, listen, this is seemingly unconnected, but a lot of this is connected.

00:37:17.300 And I couldn't quite come out and say exactly how and why for many reasons.

00:37:23.220 And part of those reasons is I wasn't understanding myself.

00:37:26.000 It's taken me a long time to fully, I think, understand to a point that I'm satisfied with

00:37:31.180 Because I never want to be that person that goes out and says, hey, I've discovered something, this is the truth, and this is what it is, and I'll die on that hill. And then I just, I'm so tired of the cults of personality. I'm so tired of discovering that when I've gone down these roads of research. I'm tired of the false dialectic of, if you don't believe in Sitchin's story, then, you know, you're wrong. And so, of course, then you must only believe in Heiser's account. It's like, why are we doing this?

00:37:57.600 well it's human nature of course but at the same time it's because there is a another hidden hand

00:38:04.680 that's trying to control this narrative and i've been in this industry and i've not really talked

00:38:08.960 about this publicly but a lot i've kind of hinted at it a few times on like say the higher side

00:38:12.860 chats or maybe talked around it but what i decided to do this past year on my sub stack

00:38:18.280 was lay it all out and say i'm going to burn all the bridges i don't care i'm just i'm so over this

00:38:26.000 when you when you see on your social media feed children dying in gaza you know when you when you

00:38:35.640 see what's going on and it's just people are saying what is going on and i'm not going to

00:38:41.240 claim that i have all the answers but god do i know a lot of things that i didn't ask to know

00:38:45.600 and i don't really want to know and i have nothing to do with i don't know what to do with the

00:38:49.180 information and so the only thing i could think to do is say i'm burning it all to the ground

00:38:53.820 and if that means burning down my bridges which i already have i've lost sponsors i've lost

00:39:00.200 friendships i've lost opportunities i've lost a lot and i thought you know what i don't care i

00:39:05.320 just because i just can't anymore and last year it's actually the year before last um i found

00:39:12.120 myself in a position that i i've always tried to be objective and um you know unbiased as much as

00:39:20.720 I can. We're all biased, right? But I tried to take an academic look at this. And I couldn't do

00:39:26.840 that anymore, because I, I started going through something that everybody around me told me was a

00:39:32.100 spiritual attack. And I thought, okay, guys, like, I don't have a poltergeist, like, we're not doing

00:39:37.580 this, this isn't, you know, but I don't know what else to call it. And it affected every aspect of

00:39:44.520 my life, my family's life. And from that point on, I just

00:39:49.680 thought, you know, I again, I'm not trying to push my sub stack

00:39:52.900 when I say this, it's just my outlet, because it's the only

00:39:55.080 place I knew where to go. But on the sub stack, I put my initial

00:39:59.020 post was about the fence. Right. So a lot of people have asked me

00:40:03.060 over the years things. And so what do you think about this?

00:40:05.780 What do you think of that? And I don't necessarily have solid

00:40:09.000 answers about like, because I'm not that opinionated, I guess, I

00:40:12.540 have my thoughts and my opinions. But what I try to do in my work is to find the truth. You know,

00:40:17.180 there's the Nietzsche quote that starts in my podcast, which is, there are two different types

00:40:22.080 of people in the world, those who want to know and those who want to believe, you know, and it's fun

00:40:26.380 because the I want to believe kind of association with X files, and it's fun, but I don't want to

00:40:32.720 believe, I want to know. And so all I've ever wanted to do is just know and get to the bottom

00:40:37.420 of something. But what I found was that I would share this, and some people got the wrong idea.

00:40:42.540 They think, and I still get this, I'm getting death threats more than I ever have in my life.

00:40:46.340 Real ones, like people who want to threaten me over something like the anti-Kether mechanism are just cuckoo and whatever.

00:40:53.420 I've been contacted by, I've had lots of strange things happening since I've started the writing on the Substack.

00:41:01.840 On the initial one, though, I wrote about being on the fence because that's what people would say is, well, you're not talking of politics.

00:41:08.420 You're on the fence.

00:41:09.220 I'm like, no, I have my beliefs.

00:41:10.340 I'm just, this isn't where I'm exercising that.

00:41:12.540 I'm trying to be on the fence.

00:41:13.880 I'm trying to sit on the post and observe both sides of this war and figure it out so

00:41:18.320 that I can report back to you what I'm seeing.

00:41:20.660 But then somebody told me this fable, this little like, you know, story about the devil

00:41:25.900 in the fence.

00:41:27.280 And it just, to paraphrase, it goes like, you know, there's the war between two sides

00:41:31.480 and one side packs it up and goes home.

00:41:34.640 And the devil comes for all his people on the other side and clears it out.

00:41:38.500 And then you're sitting there and the devil comes back for you and is like, so what about

00:41:42.440 you and you're like what about me i'm just sitting here on the fence and he says i own the fence

00:41:49.960 and i thought oh okay so maybe maybe now is the time to to do something a little bit different

00:41:59.960 and uh so that's what i started doing and that's what i vowed to do was make it so that people

00:42:05.400 aren't unclear because my lack of clarity gave people the wrong idea to the point where i've

00:42:10.840 been invited to the church of satan i've been invited to eyes wide shut parties in europe

00:42:15.240 i've been accused of witchcraft and told because i have you know dyed red hair people say you're

00:42:20.920 lilith and i'm like oh gosh everybody said crazy things and i and people were like thinking one

00:42:27.080 thing or another and i thought i can't let this happen anymore because my lack of being my desire

00:42:34.360 to just give the facts as I saw them, I think led people to different ideas that was doing

00:42:41.980 more harm than good. And I just, I made a decision to stop doing that and to, I guess,

00:42:47.940 take a side. And that side is not left or right. I don't believe in the left or the right. I know

00:42:52.940 where that comes from. I know the history of those terms. I know all of that. And I am just very

00:42:58.740 much ready to I guess burn it all down and so I started coming out and talking

00:43:04.800 more about it in different groups different podcasts different people who

00:43:07.740 would have me on like yourself and trying to reach a different audience so

00:43:11.760 that they would hear that I am talking about the occult I've researched the

00:43:16.180 occult I've been involved in many different things not like involved in

00:43:19.120 the occult but I've seen things I've been a participant observer I've talked

00:43:22.680 to very dangerous people and they and the reason I think I've had access is

00:43:27.500 because they thought that that was what i wanted and when i made it clear no thank you like where

00:43:35.260 would you get that idea i'm just interested in stuff naive yes okay so it is what it is curiosity

00:43:40.540 is what's going to get me when i finally really pushed back and was like what are you talking

00:43:46.140 about i don't want to be involved and push these ideas and whatever i then the then things started

00:43:52.220 happening that were just unexplainable fire death suicides i when i i can't even say all the things

00:44:00.700 that happened in my life in the in the course of like five months after that happened after i came

00:44:07.800 back from massachusetts how recently was that two years ago like two like last year last not this

00:44:16.580 past february but i think the february let me let me ask you something when baphomet came out it was

00:44:21.440 when baphomet book came out and then i so the world has seemed to have um especially since 2020

00:44:27.960 it's gone in such a i was gonna say like i don't think this was your choice this is the world's

00:44:32.260 choice yeah and it it happened to us as well but if you want to use like a like a biblical term of

00:44:36.980 like revelation this idea of reveal or like apocalypse like to to reveal right this this

00:44:41.500 time where there's this resurgence there's a lot of new age thought leaders that pointed to

00:44:46.220 this era of being one where there would be a resurgence of ancient knowledge that was given

00:44:51.120 by these golden age gods yeah a golden age uh these gods are are fallen angels or or ancient

00:44:57.060 teachers whatever they were interpreted as uh throughout different people groups you know

00:45:01.960 antiquity the idea is that this is going to be uh coming back and this isn't my own idea this is

00:45:07.300 espoused by plenty of people i think we talked about uh shell drake and and i think uh crowley

00:45:12.680 utters some semblance of this and uh what's her name um uh the the popular not baba vanga the

00:45:21.060 other lady uh i forget what her name is at the moment but um alice bailey and helena blavatsky

00:45:27.940 blavatsky uh also had very similar ideas about this era um and i think that what's become

00:45:35.960 glaringly obvious to me so so we get a a label and it is that of an extremist and i haven't

00:45:43.820 always been that way to be perfectly honest in fact um i came up very much in a similar vein

00:45:49.620 although less astute in my research, this idea of Zachariah Sitchin. And I'd love to get your

00:45:55.620 ideas on this a little bit later, but how Sitchin claims that these entities come from

00:46:00.780 Nibiru and that they have a dwindling atmospheric condition and that the only way to rectify this,

00:46:06.180 because we talked about gold earlier, is to suspend gold in sort of a particleized fashion

00:46:11.360 in their atmosphere to protect them from their own sun. That's where I started. And I've come

00:46:18.180 to a different place because i recognize there are some patterns about all sorts of things let's

00:46:23.420 say aliens in particular um and the abduction phenomenon and how it mirrors in in very many

00:46:30.060 ways uh the biblical instance of a demonic encounter and what i recognize is that that thing

00:46:36.720 seems to be coming in in a lot of different ways there's an uptick in experiences but there's also

00:46:44.680 an uptick in awareness and the presentation of these concepts on the world stage, in particular

00:46:50.260 in government now, as we inch towards what might be disclosure. And we're talking about fence

00:46:55.500 sitting, right? And I have spent a long time trying to understand these things and chalking

00:47:02.420 up data and patterns and comparing and contrasting and seeing how there does seem to be this overlay.

00:47:07.980 um all these people groups talked about seemingly the same thing they all called them different

00:47:15.420 things so if a phenomenon has the ability to change name and visage then the the nature of

00:47:22.780 it seems to be what's most important and as far as i can tell the nature seems not good so i've

00:47:29.460 now begun to stand in a place where i'm just talking out against it and i do it with a lot

00:47:34.980 of comedy um and i do it in a way where like there is data but i don't think that i can understand

00:47:40.340 this i don't think that i can grasp the terminology i don't think i'll ever be entirely correct on

00:47:45.300 what i'm identifying this thing as but i also don't think that i should let that keep me from

00:47:51.140 standing against this thing that seems to be on the horizon so you're having all these experiences

00:47:55.620 these terrible things that have happened around you also let me say it's just it's not uncommon

00:48:01.540 Like some of the people that we talk to, especially when you're looking into things like this, eventually it's going to present itself to you.

00:48:08.340 And yeah, that fence sitting is just it's not going to work anymore.

00:48:11.020 But I understand this side of the other.

00:48:12.800 I understand the fence sitting because it's like, how could you you can't probably observe a thing unless I mean, being above it, looking down and being speculative on all sides of it makes sense.

00:48:22.240 But at some point, I feel like, yeah, the last two years, maybe 2024 from 2020, something changed.

00:48:28.340 But the last couple of years, we've been in an expedited process.

00:48:31.140 And if there is a spiritual battle going on, you're in it.

00:48:34.300 And people are just picking sides.

00:48:36.920 And if this process continues the way that it's been developing, I don't know in what

00:48:41.220 sort of short order it's going to be at our doorstep.

00:48:43.280 And I don't want to be an alarmist.

00:48:44.420 I mean, I've been looking at this for so long.

00:48:45.760 We've all said, it's coming.

00:48:46.900 It's coming.

00:48:47.800 These last four years have been really strange.

00:48:50.560 And what's on the horizon is really strange.

00:48:52.900 We might be dealing with this in short order.

00:48:54.860 So, I mean, what are your thoughts on that as far as where to stand and what to declare?

00:48:59.320 oh well you said that very well and it is it is something that i think we have a luxury of fence

00:49:06.760 sitting when it's not a hot war you know it's just a nice place to perch and look at things and

00:49:12.440 but this this is now a hot spiritual war it's it's we can't we can't just say it's not when we see

00:49:19.320 the evidence of death it's it's manifesting all around us around the world people are dying

00:49:25.160 innocent people are dying and i know that's a divisive thing and i know people are like very

00:49:29.640 i mean everyone's just mad and and and i am too and this isn't about politics it's not about any

00:49:35.240 of that it's about what's right and when i was going through a lot of just you know my own

00:49:41.960 questions i remember waking up in the night it was just really strange because i just like woke up

00:49:47.000 out of a i guess a dream and the only thing that came to my mind was you know a tree will be known

00:49:52.920 by its fruits because so much in like new age you hear love and light you know i have a lot of

00:49:58.040 friends in those areas over the years and there's a lot of people who are actually good people doing

00:50:03.160 good things and they don't know what is happening um they they are not they're not they don't know

00:50:09.080 the whole story they've been deceived so it how do you have discernment and i think i've i've lacked

00:50:15.560 discernment in a lot of my time i don't think i realized i needed the discernment the way that i

00:50:20.120 did i needed my discernment was based on primary sources or tertiary sources which things could i

00:50:26.040 you know show with peer review research because that was what i kind of did i live in my head

00:50:30.680 mostly so that's that's a problem um and and when it came down to that question though of how do

00:50:37.640 you discern i did i didn't i really struggled with that i contacted so many people i have friends who

00:50:43.160 were exorcists i had friends from all different backgrounds and uh you know i i i could understand

00:50:50.120 what they're saying but there was something in my heart that still wasn't grasping it

00:50:53.640 um and i had i had been around people and made mistakes like i would think oh this person seems

00:50:59.000 so great and they're so nice and find out they're literally a nazi uh like convicted

00:51:05.080 nazi child rapist i don't know if we can say that on here but you can say that that's wild okay so

00:51:10.120 like for example and i'll name names because like i said i'm burning it down and i've already been

00:51:13.560 threatened and so i'm just gonna this is a war so you know and i've said this on a few places but

00:51:18.840 um there is an author in this like field uh frank joseph and he writes about atlantis and all these

00:51:24.040 things i was at a conference with him a while back and we had lunch with a bunch of other people like

00:51:29.000 michael cremo and stephen knapp i think was there and just some other people from back in the day

00:51:34.440 And he was just sweet. He was, I'm five foot one. And so he was like shorter than I was. So he was

00:51:40.200 just this frail little man. And he was a vegetarian and Buddhist and all of this. And he just was so

00:51:45.080 nice. And I was like, I don't know his stuff. Let me go research him back on in the hotel room. And

00:51:50.120 I researched, I researched hard, I go hard with research. And I found some stuff that shocked me

00:51:56.040 that his name wasn't Frank Joseph. It, it was Frank Collins. And he was his claim to fame was he was

00:52:02.920 the head of the nazi party of in america during a time where they marched in skokie illinois

00:52:10.760 to threaten jewish people that were living there and it created a landmark case in the aclu where

00:52:16.760 they basically fought for his right of free speech and so they did that and so that's one thing okay

00:52:21.560 and that's you know okay fine you had your thoughts back in those days but he got kicked out of the

00:52:25.960 nazi party well how in the world is somebody so bad that they get kicked out of the nazi party

00:52:31.320 well it's because at their nazi headquarters he was caught in the act of sodomizing two boys

00:52:38.680 wow wow he went to prison for that and of course and i have been called on this like oh no it says

00:52:44.200 like you know diddling or something okay fine no that's not the case and i i have the papers on

00:52:50.040 this and it is something you can research when the court case happened the charge was named something

00:52:55.240 else that sounds a little more minor but they later changed the statutes of all these different

00:52:59.960 cases and made a name switch and so what if if he would have been convicted now it would have been

00:53:04.600 something much more serious point being um he got out and continues to this day to write under my

00:53:11.320 own publisher too and you know that's really wild because these this is something that people don't

00:53:16.680 seem to understand about there's been an unironic rise in nazi sympathy because there's been an

00:53:21.960 unironic rise in claiming everybody's a nazi well yeah that's what births it right but yeah but

00:53:27.400 within that there is this theory of the aryan concept having its roots in atlantis you said

00:53:34.840 this guy writes about atlantis yeah well that's what he writes he writes about a lot of things

00:53:38.840 and he still writes and like i said he tries to go on some shows he and i tell people yeah okay

00:53:43.800 let me tell you his background and and you know whatever it's this is the this is what i'm dealing

00:53:49.240 with these he's one of many people that i found in this little genre niche that i found myself

00:53:54.600 writing in that weren't just like you know everything has its people right but this stuff

00:53:59.000 is unreal the kind of things that are going on and like i said i was lacking discernment because i

00:54:04.200 was like oh he seems so nice you know and like yeah he's a nice literal nazi pedo okay so i'm

00:54:10.760 like okay so because i think i never really was grasping that this is real that people are doing

00:54:17.880 this that and back then at least and it wasn't until i started you know knowing more people

00:54:25.480 and knowing more about the disclosure stuff and and knowing where that's why i've not been out

00:54:30.280 talking about it a lot people have asked me you know because the whole ancient aliens thing are

00:54:34.120 talking to these people and i was just on whitley's show last month or something and i you know why

00:54:38.840 am i not like going hard on the you know disclosure stuff with like bledsoe and and greer and all of

00:54:45.160 this and it's like yeah because i know who funded greer from the beginning not just the rockefeller

00:54:50.840 thing i know people know about that but i know bigger things than that and i know it's all fake

00:54:56.280 i i'm not saying every person doesn't have something to say i'm not saying you know one

00:55:00.920 thing or another but i i i just don't have an interest in exploring fake things if i wanted

00:55:07.160 a lot of it comes from the skinwalker ranch uh bigelow foundation type of situation right

00:55:12.760 yeah what do you what do you mean by fake like uh they're they're making up a narrative yeah where

00:55:17.400 do you where do you place the phenomenon that some people clearly experience which i believe

00:55:21.400 some people and then you have these people that are out there elizondo greer and they're just

00:55:26.120 spinning real events but fake in their nature or what narrative i i believe there's a an element

00:55:33.240 of narrative control over these things that are trying to be leveraged so they so that the answer

00:55:38.440 is they have the answer because there's a phenomenon that's been going on since

00:55:43.720 antiquity probably prehistory there's evidence in an art there's evidence everywhere and then

00:55:49.240 the phenomenology of it too and this is something that i talk about i know it's trendy to say that

00:55:52.840 aliens are demons um but we got a lot of trouble for that and we get and we walk that statement

00:55:57.720 back and well hold on i want to because i want her to understand the the fertile ground that

00:56:01.480 that she's standing in a lot of shit right now but the reason that we say it is because it's

00:56:07.540 and it upsets people we use comedy and we use abrasive language and it draws people into a

00:56:13.360 conversation to have the conversation but what i would say is that there is a demonic nature and

00:56:17.620 when i say demonic i mean they are in opposition to mankind and they are deceptive in their nature

00:56:22.200 they are constantly presenting themselves differently throughout history and they're

00:56:27.100 obfuscating their actual nature and i think um this idea of uh rebranding is like their mo and

00:56:34.680 i think this this newest rendition that we've gotten because we're dealing with ancient entities

00:56:39.040 uh is facilitated by primarily hollywood in a massive way which is the propaganda machine so

00:56:45.760 we say aliens are demons and then if you come to the table we'll say they'll they're demonic and

00:56:50.620 then when people say what is demonic and i typically say it's in opposition to mankind

00:56:53.840 in opposition to God and it's, and it's deceptive in its nature. Um, they're not good. They are not

00:56:58.960 good. Very well said. Um, but so, so that's the foundation. I just want you to understand where

00:57:03.540 we are coming from and then please take it away. Continue what you were saying.

00:57:06.620 Oh no, that's very well said. And that, that pretty much aligns with how I view it because

00:57:10.780 since I've spoken with, uh, experiencers, I, you know, uh, I have reason to believe people like

00:57:17.420 Whitley, people who have had these experiences who, if you ask him, he doesn't say it's sunshine

00:57:22.480 and flowers he has had a really tough time in his life for this yeah you know this is not something

00:57:27.720 people choose to do and unless they're grifting which there's plenty of that believe me i was on

00:57:33.620 a podcast once with some guy who um claimed that he had a girlfriend who was from like zeta reticuli

00:57:41.280 and that she was right there with him we just couldn't see her and he went into detail about

00:57:46.960 like how you know he just would hug a pillow and i'm like this is on the right what are we talking

00:57:52.480 about this is bonkers and so i said well you know she must be a cheap date and he was offended by

00:57:59.040 that and hung up the phone and i thought okay so we definitely have lunatics can you hear us yes

00:58:05.680 okay everything is uh getting screwed up i don't know if the audience can hear but we're losing

00:58:10.320 internet in a big well it's not even us i mean we're we're killing right now i'm doing an internet

00:58:15.440 test speed uh speed right can you hear us i'm sorry you cut out it's okay i think i'm looking

00:58:21.680 at my i'm on fiber i'm doing a speed test let's see what we got yeah we just did a speed test

00:58:27.040 256 download uh 31 upload we're crushing right now um internet connection is very fast i don't

00:58:33.360 know what the heck that was my internet connection is 665. wow yeah 665 why not 666 that's crazy

00:58:41.040 gosh what internet are you using um omni fiber i just yeah okay and they heard it all so the

00:58:47.680 audience hear it all i don't know what the heck is going on maybe it's stream yard it could be

00:58:51.280 stream yard something could be stream yard let's pull it back a little bit we had mentioned so you

00:58:55.600 said that there are grifters in the space there's grifters there's wacky stories that are just

00:59:00.160 comical there's serious people that have had serious problems that have been struggling their

00:59:05.200 entire lives with trying to understand this phenomena yeah and and those people can understand

00:59:10.240 it's they they maybe can listen to some sort of story about aliens and then understand it through

00:59:16.000 that lens or depending on their background or their views maybe they can understand it as a

00:59:21.280 a possession or something like that my argument is that what we're looking at transcends cultures

00:59:27.920 and names and languages that what we're dealing with is a phenomena that is human in nature that

00:59:33.440 is here it is on this planet it is not something foreign to our human experience we've never really

00:59:38.720 known what to call it so if you look in the past you'll see people call it whatever angels demons

00:59:44.640 gin and then even in the current day you'll see people call it like the clockwork elves or the

00:59:49.760 dmt elves or something like that or fairies or you name it there's so many different words for

00:59:54.960 the same very similar phenomena and so that's uh essentially my take on it look at the phenomena

01:00:02.800 isolated and and without like strip away all the cultural connotation and what is it telling us

01:00:08.560 and it's telling us some very interesting things that there is a force that acts upon us that is

01:00:15.360 not positive it can appear positive to some people initially but if you follow that thread it never

01:00:21.760 works out it never works out the you know something as classic as king solomon who is so wealthy and

01:00:28.080 was able to command those demons to build the temple well his story didn't end well either so

01:00:32.640 So you look at even something more practical or historically relevant, a touchpoint like Aleister Crowley, occultists like that, they die in poverty and illness.

01:00:45.620 And there's just it doesn't end well for anybody.

01:00:49.080 And it's just not a happy story.

01:00:52.140 So some people get enchanted with this.

01:00:54.280 Some people get pulled into it and it can ultimately destroy them.

01:00:58.600 So but that is like it's a deceptive force.

01:01:00.860 just like you said deception deception is key i think we uh do you remember that i want to tell

01:01:05.980 a story about the guy that we interviewed citizen d oh that was fascinating yeah yeah and and we did

01:01:10.460 a little sneaky thing with him uh i'm not ashamed of it but uh i think it was appropriate he's a guy

01:01:15.740 he's a guy that he claims that he was doing crop circles and he says that about 80 of the crop

01:01:20.460 circles you see he's in the uk they're man-made and we started to dig a little deeper it's like

01:01:25.900 why are you doing these circles why are you doing them in the locations you're doing them

01:01:29.420 why these geometric patterns and he said a lot of them are downloads they work with the team and

01:01:35.540 maybe they have a download guy that'll sketch it out and they'll figure out how to do it's like a

01:01:38.780 big operation he said a lot of it is compulsion he said suddenly feels compelled to do this thing

01:01:43.100 do it in this spot yeah might call the team down in the middle of the night like we got to go here

01:01:47.920 and do this and he mentioned a story where like a couple of like a coven of witches thanked him

01:01:52.080 for doing this in this spot after they did it which is very bizarre said that they had been

01:01:56.900 praying for a long time yeah for this symbol i had pulled up uh i pulled up uh some of the

01:02:03.700 the keys of solomon like the symbols of the key the lesser keys of solomon and i cut off the top

01:02:08.260 and i showed him i said do you recognize any of these is this something that you have drawn before

01:02:12.100 or put in a field and he said yeah mate that one and that one and i go that's really interesting

01:02:17.700 anyway and then we we go on the conversation he just goes to tell us that he's plagued with

01:02:21.300 poltergeist activity in his house and he can't figure out why and we're like yeah dog you might

01:02:24.660 Which is, you know, these people that are doing CE5, they are also experiencing poltergeist

01:02:31.880 activity, sleep paralysis, you know, the whole rigmarole of negative experiences.

01:02:38.380 But you said it before, where it's like the fruits of these things.

01:02:42.360 And that's what I that's one of the things because I've come to a place where I'm comfortable

01:02:47.180 with the idea that I, in my limited experience on this planet, am not going to be able to

01:02:52.320 grasp all of these things so that my own intellect will you know pull me through it um and discernment

01:02:58.120 is definitely something uh that i lean on these days and you can you can look you can look at

01:03:03.760 these people who are interacting with these things whether they're new agers or or you know what have

01:03:08.160 you and you look at the fruits you look at their lives um and you go oh man we had somebody that

01:03:14.260 was freaking out on us in the audience because she's into railianism and um and she communicates

01:03:21.080 with something that has presented itself as a positive being. But she is hopelessly addicted

01:03:27.580 to drugs. Her body is riddled with injuries and debilitating this and that. And her relationships

01:03:35.960 with people are in the gutter. And I'm going, look at the fruits that this thing, you're having

01:03:40.900 a profound experience with something that claims to be geared towards the betterment of your life

01:03:45.820 and look at your life but people because we live in this materialistic paradigm just by virtue of

01:03:52.240 having a profound experience think that it is true it's inherently true and i think that's kind

01:03:59.360 of a clever trick that's been pulled on us um i don't agree with tucker carlson and everything

01:04:03.820 but he did say something not long ago that i thought was a keen insight that we've been stripped

01:04:08.380 of our understanding in the west of the the reality of the spiritual realm and um and because

01:04:13.620 we've been stripped of it i'm paraphrasing but uh you know we don't know how to navigate it we're

01:04:17.480 not how to interact with it that was done on purpose yes and that was done on purpose so you

01:04:20.980 give instead to us materialism and then what happens is anything that breaks through that

01:04:25.820 paradigm and presents itself to you is so profound just by the nature of being in opposition to what

01:04:31.960 you've learned that whatever whatever it says has got to be true um and so i think that's a huge

01:04:39.120 problem that a lot of us are facing there are these negative entities that will interact with

01:04:43.440 you. And so you will end up in witchcraft and you'll think that you're validated or vindicated

01:04:47.960 because what are you talking about? I'm having real experiences with something that's tangible

01:04:52.060 while the world tells me that it's not real. And I think that's a huge problem when we tell people

01:04:57.380 that their experiences aren't real. It's not that they're not real. You're just misunderstanding

01:05:01.320 the nature of it. Something that I want to ask you, Dr. Lynn, in your research, we're talking

01:05:08.640 about the deceptive nature of these spirits and i want to uh talk a little bit about the degree of

01:05:13.680 deception and and in particular i want to ask you about narratives they give people about let's say

01:05:21.740 the creation of humanity or our nature here in this realm the big that really goes to like the

01:05:27.100 anunnaki like yeah we we like to talk about the nephilim and the anunnaki kind of overlapping

01:05:31.800 possibly being the same or fallen angels maybe being in this mix is but yeah anunnaki kind of

01:05:38.380 do outdate uh even the biblical narrative which is going to say the earth is 6 000 years old and

01:05:43.500 tomorrow we're talking someone who talking to somebody who is going to bring about like older

01:05:47.220 earth theory okay which is interesting as well but i i see why you're studying the anunni because

01:05:51.480 this really goes all the way back yeah they say we're a slave race that was engineered you know

01:05:57.120 genetically modified from let her tell us like why why are you looking into these guys like

01:06:02.380 well it started again with that whole like okay why is everybody else interested there's something

01:06:07.760 here and then also the kind of notion that it didn't seem like a lot of people were teaching

01:06:14.160 generally speaking on the anunnaki everybody knows like egypt and you know when you're a kid i mean

01:06:18.720 they do a brief kind of view of the sumerians i didn't really learn about them until i was in

01:06:24.000 college um not really i mean you go over like a little unit and you mention it but like a mention

01:06:28.960 is not fair this is an enormous important part of the human story and i just felt like that was

01:06:35.600 also strange uh so i just was skeptical and suspicious of a lot of this narrative and that

01:06:41.120 was the interesting part but then as i kept digging deeper no pun intended i found that

01:06:46.400 there were a lot of strange things all around and important things and it whenever i would

01:06:53.360 kind of uncover one thing it would change my whole perspective of the human story so for instance

01:06:59.040 like the uh the biblical narratives and this is part of the reason too that the um that when they

01:07:06.080 were excavating and translating some of these tablets they didn't really come forth and try to

01:07:10.560 share what they were they weren't necessarily hiding it but they didn't see that it mattered

01:07:14.480 to have a big pr campaign because they didn't want to rattle people's faith and so that was something

01:07:19.360 interesting when you see that they're very old stories they have similar to say noah's ark they

01:07:25.200 have their own versions so i'm looking at those stories and i'm thinking well let me look at those

01:07:29.840 sources and see what they're saying and one like a few of these stuck out to me the the details

01:07:35.520 especially since we have so many details and once you get past this whole just clutter of the sitian

01:07:41.520 narrative that was the problem i found was that you know he was correct on things because i mean

01:07:46.880 he was pulling from the text it's not the translations and while people say well he did

01:07:51.360 get some wrong and sure every you know but aside from that it's the interpretations that are i

01:07:57.040 think more important in this context because you can translate something to say hey that was really

01:08:01.840 cool and the the the interpretation could be you mean the the temperature or the it was like

01:08:08.000 less hot or was it like you know so there's so much more to translation than just you know the

01:08:13.280 words themselves so there's the meaning in the context and so it's an open discussion still

01:08:17.840 I think that's important for people to know, especially in the age of AI coming, where they're already trying to use these technologies to translate these tablets, which is very dangerous.

01:08:29.180 And especially when you consider after researching who was funding that research, it was one organization called the Transatlantic Platform, global organization funding all of that.

01:08:39.480 So then the question is, well, who's going to own that data?

01:08:41.560 so it's a whole thing but moral of the story is we have a ton of texts they're not all translated

01:08:49.180 even the ones that are translated they're still up for debate and discussion so once you look at

01:08:54.800 that and you say you know i have a right to discern and try to figure out what do i think it says

01:08:59.340 the first approach i take is understanding that the sumerians were not writing for us they were

01:09:04.780 writing for themselves so take them for what they were saying you know it's our job to read into the

01:09:10.000 text it's not their job to explain their mythology so we have to do a better job at trying to figure

01:09:14.820 this out what i found when it came to something like their flood story was something in the

01:09:20.280 translations which are available online too this isn't something that i'm claiming some like

01:09:24.240 universal only knowledge to you can there's plenty of resources for understanding how to at least

01:09:30.700 understand the technology the the translations um in the academic sense so there's you know all kinds

01:09:37.600 of um like dictionaries and things you can use there's plenty of resources so when i was looking

01:09:43.200 at the flood myth it said specifically that it was the that the individual saw that something

01:09:51.960 was happening gathered not the family like how we would understand noah's story but gathered the

01:09:58.140 individuals who were the top of their industry in the arts and sciences they gathered them together

01:10:05.340 and then they gathered up all of the animals of the steppe so not all the animals in the world

01:10:10.880 but all the animals of the steppe and then they traveled away to essentially make a breakaway

01:10:16.200 civilization and when you look at what the animals of the steppe would be why the steppe the Eurasian

01:10:21.260 plateau you look at all of this you understand the traditions there from an anthropological

01:10:26.480 perspective is just that you take those animals and you have what you need for that breakaway

01:10:31.100 civilization it's survival you can uh traditionally what can be done is you would as sad as it is

01:10:36.860 uh bleed the animal so you keep the animal alive but you can harvest some of the blood

01:10:41.420 you can also use dairy and that sort of thing so you can have animal protein while you're going

01:10:46.620 while you're on foot so a lot of the text when you look at it paints a story of what sounds like

01:10:52.860 say maybe climate refugees after a great perhaps younger driest impact event i know that could be

01:10:58.940 or it could not be there's still arguments about that but perhaps something that happened where it

01:11:03.980 displaced individuals and they went and found a group of semi-settled hunter-gatherers in

01:11:09.500 mesopotamia and because civil people were living there they had culture they just didn't have what

01:11:14.860 is academically considered civilization which hinges on particular definitions and them having

01:11:20.140 something but what the sumerians themselves say is that they were enslaved they were subjugated

01:11:25.500 and they were made to build like irrigation and things for agriculture that they were a slave

01:11:30.700 species that they were banned from breeding with these individuals who they called the shining ones

01:11:36.700 the shining ones refer to them as two things one the adama and the black-headed ones to differentiate

01:11:44.060 yourself with like what color of hair you have is notable because it would infer that they didn't

01:11:49.340 have black hair so they were different somehow so there's a lot of these different things that also

01:11:53.740 coincide with the archaeological record so in the region you have the individuals who were there

01:11:58.140 before the sumerians and they were you know of a particular height they weren't very tall they also

01:12:05.260 in their burial rites had themselves like painted with the red ochre that they used from the clay

01:12:11.900 that was very specific to the region and so it's reasonable to think that they were also using that

01:12:18.380 red clay during uh their life which would make sense because the red people the adamah the people

01:12:25.660 who have the red clay that would have made sense in the in the language at the time so they

01:12:30.460 encountered people who appeared red and who had dark hair and these individuals made a priest

01:12:37.020 class that made it so that they had an intermediary that had to speak back and forth to them they were

01:12:43.020 made to worship them by way of animal sacrifice and they had specific guides as to how they wanted

01:12:49.020 the animals cooked and presented the rules against boiling the food they had to put it on an open

01:12:53.660 flame and this sort of thing so aside from say the sitian narrative which you could kind of see

01:12:59.180 though doesn't really completely discount that in so far as that you're claiming that these

01:13:05.660 individuals were enslaved and made to do mining and physical labor and then later revolted and

01:13:12.140 so but when you look at it it just to me says that something something else happened something

01:13:21.020 really happened and other people have been maybe not just covering it up but wanting to

01:13:25.260 form a narrative around it that would be convenient for uh whatever they're trying to do

01:13:30.380 yeah it's definitely sensationalized is uh that's kind of what we look at when we when we

01:13:36.460 when we study all these myths they there's a through line but the characters change the names

01:13:41.740 change the details around it change but one of the things you mentioned was like this animal sacrifice

01:13:46.620 is there also an aspect of human sacrifice during that time period there really wasn't uh there's a

01:13:52.300 there's a few uh discoveries of say queens who passed and they had their helpers with them or

01:13:58.380 their animals but in terms of actual human sacrifice it's surprising that they did not

01:14:03.900 show there's no evidence of actual human sacrificing then later of course there is but

01:14:08.620 But the Sumerians were invaded and their civilization in Mesopotamia, you know, changed greatly until like when you if you were to Google Sumerian art or any of this or say Anunnaki themselves, you're going to pull up pictures that come from Sumer, but then also like Assyrian art, Babylonian art, because it's the same peoples roughly that eventually were invaded multiple times.

01:14:33.960 and then uh so that's another important thing to distinguish another one too when it comes to the

01:14:38.760 supernatural element of it and this is something that i found in my most recent work where it seems

01:14:44.260 as though you can sort of describe the anunnaki as perhaps just people who were migrating and

01:14:51.660 having an interaction with semi-settled hunter-gatherers creating like a cargo cult effect

01:14:56.280 there are other things though to consider about what it is that they were bringing with them so

01:15:01.220 not only were they bringing their culture in terms of the food they wanted to eat, the laws

01:15:05.860 that they had, their writing. Sumerian is what's called a language isolate. So that means that the

01:15:11.140 language is seen nowhere else in the world. It just kind of appeared out of nowhere, which led

01:15:16.020 to what academics call the Sumerian problem, which was how did civilization emerge in a historic

01:15:23.680 blink of an eye over the course of 200 years? And then how is it that they had this language come up

01:15:29.340 have fully developed civilization as we know it in just that short time uh well that is considered

01:15:34.620 the sumerian problem well if you consider too they were saying well this happened from outsiders

01:15:39.180 that came in and invaded and enslaved us and then later after prohibitions on breeding because it

01:15:44.940 was like animal husbandry they were treating the individuals there like cattle saying you can't

01:15:50.620 breed with this person you definitely can't breed with us but eventually of course they did creating

01:15:55.420 other individuals that were what some people call the nephilim but then you have these other things

01:16:02.840 going on these mystical aspects so like i said if you were to google uh anunnaki sometimes you

01:16:07.600 see these figures that have wings and maybe a bird's face or something like that those are not

01:16:12.620 anunnaki so the anunnaki is a almost like ball is a term for lord you have like many kinds of

01:16:20.400 Anunnaki. And there's this pantheon of like 12, but there's like 40 some Anunnaki. So the word

01:16:26.800 gets like thrown around. And so people say it's an Anunnaki. Well, these particular ones that are

01:16:31.560 the winged beings are Apkallu. And that is where the whole story sort of diverged for me. It was,

01:16:38.360 you can, you can almost make an argument to explain the Anunnaki as simply being individuals

01:16:42.400 who later became the kings. But what they brought with them was this earlier belief of the Apkallu,

01:16:49.080 these seven sages that were considered semi-biological and they came from the ocean

01:16:55.000 there they came from the sea they came from the sky they were sort of like manifesting in and out

01:17:00.840 of reality they were associated with the seven stars of the pleiadian yeah they were yeah you

01:17:07.160 can see there some of the um the differences in the beings so they were associated with the

01:17:14.600 Pleiadian star system so they were celestialized and they were they were sages that whispered into

01:17:20.920 the ears of the king so in the king's list you'll see the names of these individuals and then they'll

01:17:25.640 have an assigned sage this one was guiding that one and you see that even when you have what would

01:17:33.260 be recognized as human kings and then later you see it kind of fall away because again we're talking

01:17:38.360 a span of a large a time you know it wasn't the Sumerians it was like the Sumerians leading into

01:17:43.060 all the way through babylon and etc so long span of time i try to look at the earliest so that we

01:17:49.220 can kind of find your footing somehow in all of this but the apkalu is where it gets to me strange

01:17:55.620 things that i can't easily explain just with the archaeological record or anybody else's

01:18:00.020 explanations for that matter and it involves things like entheogens and a lot of people are

01:18:06.900 trying to talk about dmt and psychedelics and stuff these days and um there is some evidence

01:18:13.620 that they were using those substances as well particularly um using some mixed with the poppy

01:18:20.820 for like opium poppy and they called that the joy plant and they had the hill gill right

01:18:26.260 which was something that they were doing to kind of anoint the king so if you've seen in the art

01:18:32.020 you'll see like uh people talk about the wrist watches of the gods and uh and people will say

01:18:36.580 well they were high technology you know they were like sitchin said they were like beacons to space

01:18:40.580 whatever you have that camp and then you have people who are just like they're just pretty

01:18:44.660 little like flowers or something well i found the wrist watches those wrist watches are actually

01:18:49.940 cuffs and they're not well known for a very important reason which is that the entire

01:18:56.100 excavation of all of the gold and a lot of evidence that we would have had to support

01:19:00.980 and explain some of this was all taken and looted and not just in the war before the war

01:19:08.180 so in 1989 there was a local archaeologist professor hussein in our in iraq who after

01:19:16.020 everybody had left he starts thinking you know i think there's more here there's something here he

01:19:20.020 was he was on to something and he makes a discovery of the second largest gold horde

01:19:27.060 ever second to king tut's tomb and huge and beautiful things too it was queen's tomb it was

01:19:34.820 nimrod it was just stunning when you see what he had the next year though they um went to war of

01:19:42.180 course and all of the artifacts were kind of dispersed into different bank vaults and some

01:19:47.220 were lost you could just imagine what happened to them but there's one thing that is pretty amazing

01:19:52.420 and we're very lucky for is that this professor was a professional he had a dedicated team and

01:19:58.020 he spoke english and arabic and he cataloged and photographed all of these artifacts and

01:20:03.940 analyzed them and wrote them down they have been able to be found in a book that's uh around the

01:20:09.620 i think is the university of chicago published it and uh so you can kind of look at that but

01:20:15.780 that's really all we have are just those images but in that he explains a few very important things

01:20:21.220 and that would be the poppy so when you see the anunnaki holding these branches with these little

01:20:26.740 bulbs on it some people have said they're date palms other people have said they're pomegranates

01:20:30.820 there's just a whole lot of talk but when you look at them they they look like poppy right before

01:20:37.140 they're to be harvested for the latex for opium and i thought can i just say briefly that um

01:20:45.060 it's a hilarious thing what if she said no you just i would stop i would literally stop if she

01:20:49.460 said no you gotta stop me because i'll talk to you i'll talk forever uh same so so um for people to

01:20:55.540 look at that and say pomegranate despite the idea that there is evidence across all these cultures

01:21:00.500 of people using psychedelic substances and then claiming to have these profound experiences with

01:21:04.820 you know we'll just use gods as a filler terminology for now um and instead these

01:21:10.100 things were like these are delicious huh like this is what i really want people to remember

01:21:14.100 about the pomegranate slightly esoteric too because i know in hebrew culture the priest

01:21:17.860 would have uh the symbols of like the of the pomegranate from like viewed from the top on

01:21:23.400 their garments at some point so but but yeah the poppies makes more sense for what what they seem

01:21:28.780 to have been doing in this period yeah i mean that's just like i'm i'm an idiot not at all in

01:21:33.040 any of these fields but i would notice well there is kind of a pattern of using like psychedelics

01:21:37.340 and it seems like the gods their gods are anunnaki or whatever terminology were very meaningful to

01:21:41.900 them and and um i don't know could this be another instance of a people group using a psychedelic to

01:21:47.360 communicate with these things in your studies when they were uh i forget the name already of

01:21:51.120 these these entities when they're getting advice from the the go ahead make something else no it's

01:21:57.140 i just read it um were they were they describing them as being physically there or was this more

01:22:02.860 of a channeling thing well she did say you said they kind of came in and out of of reality in

01:22:06.980 some way yeah they were they were not fully physical and so it was but the way that they

01:22:13.120 described as advising the kings was more like a channeling because how you know how else could

01:22:17.520 they advise if they were there was never any like indicator that i'm aware of of course it said they

01:22:22.160 were sitting there talking having a great time and there were witnesses it was mostly like a

01:22:26.240 depiction of the king and then these winged beings who would be whispering in their ear

01:22:32.240 so and and that sort of kind of idea doesn't i mean it's not a stretch to then uh reach for

01:22:38.880 something like a possession narrative that isn't it isn't just like you know i'm getting ideas or

01:22:44.800 oh i was inspired and even the word inspired comes from the latin inspirare meaning when a deity

01:22:50.000 blows an idea into you just parts it from afar we talk about this a lot on the show that this idea

01:22:56.240 that ideas in general seem to be something that's external to the individual how many are your are

01:23:01.200 your own yeah uh i'm saying this i know it's it's old hat and the audience is going to have to do a

01:23:05.760 a drinking game for this one because we mentioned it all the time but i'm doing this uh for dr

01:23:09.260 lynn's sake you might be fascinated in talking to this individual uh dr jerry marzinski a clinical

01:23:14.080 psychologist who dealt specifically with schizophrenics for 35 years and he comes out

01:23:19.620 the other end after determining that there was a set of i believe 23 patterns these things reliably

01:23:24.460 adhere to which is far outside of the realm of random hallucinations right he's another guy that

01:23:30.220 was on the fence until he had to be like i'm not on the fence anymore because this is getting a

01:23:34.440 too weird and what he found was that these experiences that the medical industry calls

01:23:38.820 hallucinations auditory and visual these are external in his estimation to the individual

01:23:44.160 and that the best description he has found of them not a religious guy but he thinks demons or

01:23:49.580 demonic is the most apt description uh to describe what's actually being you know what's actually

01:23:55.400 oppressing these individuals and so he you know came on our show and he talked about this idea

01:24:00.040 that um everyone is schizophrenic we all have these intrusive thoughts these things that whisper

01:24:05.420 the problem is when you identify with that intrusive thought and you believe that it's you

01:24:10.580 that is primarily how they operate they want you to believe that this is you they want you to

01:24:15.780 identify with these thoughts but they're external to you the more um uh how would you say this the

01:24:22.440 more power that you give to these these intrusive thoughts the more power that is eventually granted

01:24:28.520 to them and they have more and more influence over you. And it is a gradual slope until eventually

01:24:34.140 these things become audible in some way, shape or form, and then even even visual. And so like I

01:24:40.500 said, he comes out of the other end and he goes, yeah, this is not the medical apparatus has been

01:24:44.340 misdiagnosing people for the longest time. It even takes away their agency to tell an individual that

01:24:48.660 you have a fundamental chemical imbalance in your brain. You are you are broken. You have no agency

01:24:55.040 here the the only thing that can help you is external the medical apparatus the pills um but

01:25:01.120 he brought an individual on our show was a uh he was diagnosed bipolar schizophrenic in his 20s

01:25:09.420 and by the time we had him on the show he had a successful career as a mechanical engineer

01:25:13.240 and he was i believe retired by the time we we got the pleasure of talking to him

01:25:17.420 the success came by treating it as it was external that there was something oppressing you so he says

01:25:24.600 dr marsinski that in his estimation upwards of 80 of your thoughts are not your own there's

01:25:29.700 something that is passing through your field of awareness so to me everything you're talking

01:25:34.360 about these kings having these things whispering in their ears like this is how this realm operates

01:25:38.960 what is his name again can dr jerry marsinski you would and while we're at it in conversation i

01:25:45.500 would like i don't know if she if they would do like a show together but uh nathaniel gillis you

01:25:50.600 guys should probably talk and compare notes because that's another great one yeah nathaniel

01:25:54.820 gill is he's he's categorized the entire thing is what he calls the phenomenon and he he tracks it

01:26:00.300 throughout history and says that throughout history it will present itself differently but

01:26:04.340 of course the nature of a thing is what's important and he's he's gotten that down uh

01:26:08.740 pat as far as i'm concerned and um and that's what's informed a lot of our ideas here where

01:26:14.440 it's like yeah parasitic you might even say deceptive uh these things are demonic and um

01:26:21.620 and that's why once again you know not to derail too much but the reason that we stand on our

01:26:25.740 soapbox and we scream this thing and it pisses a lot of people off but we go they're demonic

01:26:29.740 is because um from the fence you can't fight and yeah it does seem that we are in uh a constant

01:26:38.320 fight whether we know it or not well yeah i don't know i don't know the details about your story

01:26:43.380 uh dr lynn but like for me i was presented with the fight very similar like for like months family

01:26:50.060 sick the whole i'm not going to tell it again but like i was unaware and it's like guess what you're

01:26:54.860 in a fight and uh i'm kind of fighting blind so i was like all right i need to like really start

01:26:59.500 to understand this thing and yeah move to one side or the other otherwise death that's where i was

01:27:05.100 completely and i i mean you know my family would joke like you know you do some of this research

01:27:10.080 you have all these old books in here god probably isn't and i'm like oh come on that's that's not

01:27:14.480 the thing you know i just like disregarded it because i thought since i'm not practicing it

01:27:18.720 i'm just reading about it that it's fine and then i many maybe your listeners will remember the uh

01:27:25.040 researcher tracy twyman uh she did a lot of research she's definitely someone to look into

01:27:30.560 um i was friends with her on facebook many years ago before she passed and i had no idea she was

01:27:35.600 doing this i didn't really follow her work much because at that time i was still just doing you

01:27:39.840 know archaeology stuff and not necessarily occult stuff and so she was all about doing this occult

01:27:45.040 stuff her story is wild i would encourage people to look into this um and i didn't really know

01:27:50.560 until people were like saying hey you know you have a lot of similar research and similar things

01:27:55.200 going on i'm like oh that's interesting i looked into her a little bit and i found oh the reason

01:27:59.200 we had such similar research was because we had similar sources we were working with the same

01:28:04.800 people. And the, the issue with that though, is that she's dead. She was found hanging in her

01:28:09.460 garage. Um, and there's a lot going on there that I'm not at Liberty to speak about. I don't,

01:28:15.900 not yet. Um, but I, I have a lot of information now on that. Um, and that's something that I'm

01:28:22.280 working on. I'm looking at her books. Um, Dr. Lynn and, and one of them in particular is, uh,

01:28:29.360 mind controlled sex slaves in the CIA. Definitely recommend her work with one caveat. A lot of

01:28:34.780 It's really Solomon's treasure.

01:28:36.840 It's something we ran into like early on in the show.

01:28:40.180 And again, we're like, we're not doing intensive research,

01:28:42.840 but it's just so obvious where we're like,

01:28:45.060 okay, we have demonic possession.

01:28:46.480 You have satanic ritual abuse.

01:28:48.280 And then all of a sudden MKUltra.

01:28:50.040 MKUltra over and over again.

01:28:52.300 Yeah. And we're like, what the hell?

01:28:53.580 Why is this all the same stuff?

01:28:54.940 In fact, it looks to me,

01:28:56.500 and I'd love to get your thoughts on this.

01:28:57.860 I don't know if this comes across your table at all,

01:28:59.720 but much of what we identify as the alien abduction phenomenon

01:29:03.440 may well be a front for some of these operations that are like mk ultra adjacent where they are

01:29:08.640 taking and traumatizing individuals this is why government memories this is why government

01:29:13.000 officials hit you up and occult practitioners yes yes and it's it's a and when we say i'm gonna

01:29:21.140 i'm gonna say when we say government from my per my experience i can't speak on all things

01:29:26.060 but i can say the government in question is the intelligence agencies and globally um and so

01:29:35.240 and then secret societies that are involved in that and those have classically been involved

01:29:41.040 in these various ways um there's mainline history you can see how secret societies have been

01:29:46.420 used uh for uh occult practices but also of course um intelligence gathering and uh revolution

01:29:54.080 starting and everything you can imagine so they go hand in hand but the thing to know about tracy

01:30:00.800 and her work which it's great work but the reason she was able to get all of those connections

01:30:06.400 initially uh was because she started a newsletter or something um that she proposed that she had a

01:30:13.440 secret society and she attracted a lot of these different people and uh she she was basically

01:30:20.580 participating in in the thing she was getting too close she was not objective so she wasn't even on

01:30:27.220 the fence anymore she was on the other side and i'm not she's she's gone and i'm not accusing her

01:30:32.340 of anything at all this is her own writing you can read it in genuine or um clock shavings

01:30:36.420 you can you everybody just knows that she was contacting baphomet and trying to do all these

01:30:41.220 different things she got way too deep and the thing that i learned was when you get involved

01:30:46.580 with these people um uh they some people will say they're larping and i say i think they are larping

01:30:55.460 but it doesn't really matter yes and it doesn't matter because if you're larping i wrote about

01:31:00.180 this in a book called evil archaeology where i talk about demons and possession and things

01:31:04.020 and i start off with a story about a guy in north carolina called pazuzu algorad and he named his

01:31:11.700 name he changed his name to pazuzu legally what he was doing is he was out there cannibalizing his

01:31:17.220 neighbors and burying them in his backyard that's the entity that people suppose labubu is is based

01:31:22.740 off of yeah i also cannibalize my neighbors from time to time well yeah sometimes they deserve it

01:31:30.660 you know um no yes pazuzu is the mesopotamian demon that was also featured in uh the exorcist

01:31:39.300 and so right yes and the reason we have so many uh artifacts of that particular demon is actually

01:31:45.380 kind of an interesting aside it's because the wife of pazuzu is lamash too and she was responsible

01:31:53.140 for abortion or like miscarriages and yeah she was on Saturday Night Live recently yeah the mother

01:31:59.060 of monsters yeah totally yeah yeah and so if you were a pregnant woman you would wear a pazuzu

01:32:05.620 amulet or even have a little pazuzu plaque next to your baby's crib or bed um because the idea

01:32:12.180 was that that was the husband and he would whip lamash to into um you know she was supposed to

01:32:19.380 just listen to him and he was barren she couldn't have kids kind of a lilith precursor and uh so

01:32:25.300 that was the the idea and so because of that it was a very popular charm for people to have in

01:32:29.540 those so there's many examples but pazuzu that particular one inspired this guy to name himself

01:32:36.420 pazuzu and what ended up happening after he ate his neighbors and he did get caught

01:32:41.140 sorry i don't mean to laugh at that so you know i just just after he ate his neighbors he ended

01:32:47.620 up going to prison as you would and he sat in there for waiting trial he was trying to tell

01:32:53.780 the psychiatrist and his mother can't you know i need to do the black moon ritual to pazuzu in the

01:32:59.460 anunnaki can we do this and uh they're like no what and so even the mother was like i'm really

01:33:05.780 concerned you know and essentially he's like you know just one little squirrel maybe something come

01:33:09.460 on and they're like no you're in jail well one night he didn't have somebody in his uh cell with

01:33:15.300 him but one night they heard screaming and they went in and find him dead in a pool of his own

01:33:19.780 blood he had been scratched and to the point where his break your brachial artery was severed and so

01:33:26.580 he died whoa yeah that inspire no the debt always has to be paid so that's one of the things that

01:33:36.740 launched me into that particular book because i thought okay well what is real then again with

01:33:40.980 the whole instead of is there a stargate what's a stargate it was like you know are there demons

01:33:45.780 what are demons if it's real enough if if you were one of his neighbors and maybe he ate your kid

01:33:51.860 that's real enough that's acting out into the real world that's all the real i need so when

01:33:56.100 we think about the forces at hand currently in global affairs and we can say well you know there

01:34:01.940 could be some bad things or whatever you can sit on that fence for many years and just like talk

01:34:06.740 about podesta emails or whatever all day but then when you look and you see that it's just blatantly

01:34:12.260 in our face there are people dying in mass and it's just like this is real this is absolutely

01:34:17.540 physically real and some people will come on and say to me now on social media that i am the crazy

01:34:22.900 one because i'm saying this and i'm like listen i'm not necessarily believing that we should be

01:34:28.100 killing people for ball i'm saying this is what they're believing exactly try to make that

01:34:33.220 difference that is very important and then people say who cares what they believe i'm like because

01:34:38.580 they have power and money and influence over us and that's kind of i have to know so let me ask

01:34:45.140 a question before we move on there uh is it true that there's a link between pazuzu and the very

01:34:51.700 popular kids toy labuboos i have heard this i don't know i've heard that a little bit of a

01:34:56.580 stretch it seemed um because they don't look at all i don't know it's a little thing that you

01:35:01.740 would hang that little kid like they have clips and these kids hang in they say it's designed

01:35:06.240 after this because there was an original theory that was like oh it's actually a norwegian

01:35:10.360 mythology little creature and then it and then all of a sudden uh pazuzu came into the picture

01:35:15.180 we talked about on an episode i i struggled to make the connection um yeah i i don't know i don't

01:35:22.060 i don't i don't know that there's a solid one because i don't know the people who made it i

01:35:25.180 don't know their intention i will say this though um it is a revelation of the method it's the

01:35:30.780 externalization of the hierarchy there are many things that we're seeing now probably more

01:35:34.780 notably in the previous years where uh they had target had baphomet clothes for kids that were

01:35:39.980 we're just like cute, like little Sanrio looking Baphomet. And so these things, um, it's easy to

01:35:45.560 say are just harmless. They're just images or whatever. Um, but that's part of it is just the

01:35:50.140 getting people used to this and what it actually means so that we can just look at it and say,

01:35:54.580 it's okay. You know? So, and, and again, even like literally I wrote a book on the like symbolism

01:36:01.180 that is Baphomet where I'm saying, Hey, don't be afraid of this. Don't be afraid of a picture,

01:36:05.980 understand it because then you have power over it otherwise it's going to have power over you

01:36:10.220 you have to take the time to understand what this thing means and not just you know be afraid because

01:36:15.380 another thing too is what it what it has meant has changed over time and what people do with

01:36:21.420 that symbol now um is sometimes working against the interest of the people who would like to not

01:36:26.960 see that symbol like they're using it to troll people or to like and you don't and you want to

01:36:31.040 understand that and not fall into that and then look foolish it's like that's not where the battle

01:36:35.660 is the battle is somewhere else and it's more important fear is the big thing that you have

01:36:39.760 to abstain from I was just I ran to the bathroom for a moment and uh there's a study going on in

01:36:44.580 this back area here um and they have written on the whiteboard it says fear is faith and evil

01:36:50.720 and I go oh that's kind of a banger I do like that like if you really think about what that means

01:36:55.420 um and I recognize you know especially in their parasitic nature these entities whatever they are

01:37:00.520 they do feed off of fear but oh yeah that was a fine line like you were talking about the woman

01:37:04.580 before that you know swyman you you have to understand what the what these things are and

01:37:09.360 specifically the nature but there is that line that you can cross and then yeah you'll find i

01:37:13.940 think a lot of that is because once again the materialistic paradigm tells you this thing's

01:37:17.700 not real and when you step up to the line and you're observing a phenomenon and you go i do

01:37:22.280 think that this is real despite what the world is telling me sometimes you know in your infinite

01:37:26.960 wisdom the next logical conclusion is like all right let's interact with this thing then if

01:37:30.960 you're telling me it's not real and what i'm observing seems to be real then let's take that

01:37:34.080 leap. And that's where a lot of people get in trouble. But I never had that hang up. I come

01:37:38.680 from a household. My grandmother was an abductee victim, also clairvoyant kind of new age

01:37:44.760 practitioner. And I have had the great pleasure of seeing things that were confirmed by other

01:37:49.620 people in my life and described the same way and all these other things. I never had that hang up.

01:37:55.440 And I did run into that issue where as I'm looking into Sitchin and things like that when I'm

01:38:01.040 younger or let's say like the atlantean myth right where atlantis is destroyed but these

01:38:06.800 great thought leaders disperse and they go forth and they bring teachings and you know yada yada

01:38:12.120 and they become um sort of renowned figures in these new societies where they may have been

01:38:18.260 hunter-gatherer and because of this individual they've excelled exponentially technologies and

01:38:23.540 teachings etc it never accounted for everything so it's fascinating to hear you talk about this

01:38:29.220 other thing that's adjacent to the Anunnaki that does seem to be um almost other dimensional right

01:38:34.680 that it could be here physically but then in a different plane and it's whispering and and

01:38:38.780 compelling um leaders around because there is I think just going back to that that Tucker Carlson

01:38:46.580 line where we're divorced from the spiritual realm and we don't understand it there is great

01:38:52.620 benefit it could go wrong but if processed correctly great benefit in having that veil

01:39:00.080 ripped back i very young i was shown like no no no that that thing that they tell you is not real

01:39:06.120 that's very real and until you find something that can compartmentalize that and frame it for you

01:39:11.600 a lot of these other things aren't even worth looking at in other words if i come to the table

01:39:16.000 when i tell you i've seen a thing or i've you know my family's had experiences and you can't

01:39:20.160 quantify that. And you're trying to pitch me a worldview. I can't even entertain the thing for

01:39:25.760 now. I've got to go and shelf that thing that you're showing me. And I've got to go elsewhere

01:39:29.240 and keep, you know, mulling it over. And I do think that Christianity is very, it can be very

01:39:36.380 limited, especially in the way that it's presented to the public. I think the church has really

01:39:41.380 dropped the ball. But I think like any ancient text, if you really look into this thing, let's

01:39:46.180 say the bible in particular there is a problem with the translations and the understanding of

01:39:50.420 the of the context of these words in and like you were saying the era that they were spoken in and

01:39:55.920 what they were saying um but i do think that it does a number on specifically the nature and i

01:40:02.320 got to admit um most of my life i was i spent kind of pushing off christianity because uh i'm just

01:40:09.840 gonna say it was very cringy and gay and that was what was given to me by the west i mean it just

01:40:15.280 was you know and um and it's interesting that i didn't look at other belief systems through that

01:40:19.740 lens i didn't go like sumeria cringy and gay like i didn't do that at all but with christianity i did

01:40:25.000 and it wasn't until adulthood that um i i turned to this i was you know if i started this journey

01:40:32.740 at 16 i didn't turn to christianity and go fine let's see what you got until i was like

01:40:38.720 32 or something like that 31 or 32 um and i just think that the thing that it really does well

01:40:45.120 is it highlights the spiritual warfare aspect of it you are not a fence sitter you're not um

01:40:51.140 a non-participant in fact you're immersed in it at all times these things do whisper to you

01:40:56.560 as they do the kings of old right um but also it it does a good job of explaining their nature

01:41:04.000 and this lens has allowed me to to see all these things through it whether it's anunnaki or it's

01:41:09.880 Dr. Jerry Marzinski story, the alien thing, you name it. It's a shame that we have been convinced

01:41:16.800 that it's cringy and gay. And, you know, I go to church. Now I have to leave that church

01:41:22.400 because actually it seems that it is cringy and gay. I'd love to hear what she thinks about that.

01:41:26.660 The clown thing. Yeah, they presented clowns on the stage and we've spoken to like Paul Stobbs,

01:41:32.820 who's done some astounding research and really convinced me. He has a book called The Nephilim

01:41:36.280 look like clowns but he talks about it yeah yeah yeah oh have you heard about this yes because

01:41:41.600 our pastor brought clowns out very offensive very offensive to me and i go i'm fucking out of here

01:41:46.480 dog that's creepy yeah yeah that's so weird i listen no uh so i don't know i think um culture

01:41:56.280 has done that on purpose as an attack so you can see it kind of peppered throughout media

01:42:01.580 like uh i'll admit when i was i was brought up catholic and when i was a kid my best friends

01:42:06.100 across the street were named adam and erin shout out to adam and erin if they listen haven't talked

01:42:10.420 to them in years um but they were uh baptist they they did the whole like wednesday you know they

01:42:16.580 always wanted me to come to church and save me because i was like an evil catholic so i would

01:42:20.500 go to their stuff all the time um but they were like i joked about them in life that they were

01:42:25.700 like the flanders boys but see look at that trope right there i mean i mean they were a little

01:42:30.180 wacky now i will say because they were the ones who there was a big push in like the 80s and 90s

01:42:37.380 for this like televangelist style like cringe kind of christianity that was missing it didn't even

01:42:43.060 involve the the mysterium or any of the text it was it was bible based but that's that doesn't

01:42:48.740 mean that it was actually uh doing the job it was more like televangelist it was cult leader

01:42:54.580 it was political it was a lot of different things and it was it was cultural and instead of being

01:42:59.540 like you know of the world it was it was like making this of the world it was so strange and

01:43:05.220 it's it really i think damaged the reputation of christianity so you have references then like

01:43:10.180 ned flanders you have i mean listen i i'm sure people still like them or whatever but um these

01:43:16.820 are the same people who are like take saying hey come to the dance with us and it's gonna be so

01:43:20.900 cool it's an alternative you know place and we go there and it's jeff moore in the distance and i'm

01:43:24.820 like okay i mean it's joel olstein's of the world right i mean yeah like it's just that that kind

01:43:31.860 of stuff and then the blatant like uh you know stealing money from people practically and just

01:43:36.580 like i feel like that's a big psyop though to get us to i mean because look what it did it gets when

01:43:42.580 you say christian people often will just go oh because they just think you don't know anything

01:43:48.020 they're like oh yeah don't know anything and i like to pair it like yeah i'm a christian

01:43:52.180 fuck you and then you go whoa what do you mean but yeah it's like yeah i don't fall into that

01:43:57.220 neatly created box that you've made but i never have that's why you guys are so cool though that's

01:44:02.220 when i was like this is like one of the coolest things i've seen a long time you're gonna get him

01:44:06.220 to continue dressing like this please stop oh it's gonna get worse i'm gonna dress keep going

01:44:10.320 just keep it up it's like i often say i came i came in through the church through the back door

01:44:14.760 because um it was there constantly so many things if you're perusing conspiracy and all these

01:44:20.780 teachings point back in some way shape or form right i mean if you look around at the idea of

01:44:25.340 like they're trying to manufacture prophecy or it's genuine prophecy that's unfolding constantly

01:44:29.800 the book of revelation will come up in the conversation and i would just go like it just

01:44:34.620 wasn't as interesting to me so many other things were so much more compelling and fun because there

01:44:40.980 is a fun to conspiracy there is a fun to you know sleuthing for the truth and um and i would just

01:44:47.780 look at this like it was not fun and so you know you mentioned michael heiser um he informs a lot

01:44:54.500 of i think he does a great job of contextualizing whether or not i agree with them on all things

01:44:59.360 is you know that's up for debate i'd have to know all the things that he and i i can't say that i do

01:45:03.900 but a lot of his work creates the scaffolding um that this show is is built on in in a lot of ways

01:45:10.740 And so, uh, it's not boring and it's very interesting, but that is not what we've gotten.

01:45:18.100 Well, we've been given study Bibles that tell us what to think and also are told like different

01:45:23.500 things that I'll say this.

01:45:25.440 It, I don't, I, and this is just my personal opinion.

01:45:28.040 I don't find that it's very helpful if somebody is really down and out to hand them a Bible

01:45:33.040 and say, just read this and it'll be better.

01:45:34.940 If you don't have a con.

01:45:36.420 Okay.

01:45:36.740 I am.

01:45:37.160 Cause I've been there.

01:45:37.780 I've been down and out.

01:45:39.160 Okay.

01:45:39.400 you don't run away from home and like have it easy after that there's a lot of problems and then you

01:45:44.040 don't this is just you know so i've been in in bad places and had a bible and been like okay

01:45:50.840 leviticus what the like it's just yeah you can't and and so of course in the argument well you need

01:45:55.640 a study bible okay great who wrote the study bible whose words are that what kind of like spit so

01:46:01.400 it's it's i feel like they do that in order to maybe to to obfuscate the real beneficial truth

01:46:08.600 in the text because that way you just don't have context for it you don't have anything so you can

01:46:13.160 just go well you know i was sad and down and out and i read that didn't help me at all it was just

01:46:17.080 a bunch of nonsense and i'm done i'm not a christian and it's like i just think it's an

01:46:21.560 absolute more than a shame i do think it's intentional yeah so you have another problem

01:46:26.520 too the the secondary problem is there is an abundance of christians and you can look to them

01:46:30.600 as examples there is not really an abundance of anunnaki you know researchers or anything i mean

01:46:37.800 mean there is if you're into what we do in anunnaki ink that's a whole thing now well yeah now

01:46:44.400 with a lot of grifters you know when i was a kid there was none of no no i was just looking at

01:46:49.540 david eichen and i found out he had a kundalini stroke i will say you know that uh the idea of

01:46:55.820 being like down and out like i don't even know should i guess you know it's good to help people

01:47:01.080 out of that but like yeah i was down and out too david was homeless for a long time that's part of

01:47:05.420 those are parts of my life that I would never trade because that created who I

01:47:09.260 am. Imagine if you don't trade that, then you are Ned Flanders, you know,

01:47:13.760 if you just accept what you hold and it's very bland and I would rather kill

01:47:17.160 myself. I'm grateful for that.

01:47:19.880 I just hope the people that are going through that is like, man,

01:47:22.160 if I could help you get through it,

01:47:23.720 cause you got to go through it to learn who you are and learn what you're doing.

01:47:27.360 It's part of it. It's just like refining fire.

01:47:29.300 Hope you survive it. That's the hard part.

01:47:31.960 Because isn't that what it's about anyway, is redemption and rising, you know, from the dead.

01:47:36.860 So we do that every, we have a chance to do that every day, you know.

01:47:41.000 And so that's another beautiful thing that Christianity offers that others don't, which is this idea of you can start over.

01:47:48.300 You can, you can, you're, you know, you have grace.

01:47:51.260 And so it's very important because in this postmodern world we're in, it just, you know, you make a mistake and you're canceled.

01:47:57.820 or something happens and you're um what no contact or everybody's just so quick to walk away

01:48:04.100 i'm no contact with my family is a crazy a crazy you know it's but it's it's i don't judge it too

01:48:09.980 like i understand it because i was i was that way i had to be but at the same time you see people

01:48:14.860 who are just mad about something so minor and they're i'm no contact it's like oh my gosh this

01:48:19.300 is getting like ridiculous like victim mentality stuff it's a disease i grew up in an era where

01:48:25.020 every song if you listen to like pop punk you know in the early 2000s was about hating your

01:48:29.700 parents and i think there's probably a lot of that too but um dr lynn we we actually have to bring in

01:48:34.840 for a landing because we have another show coming up uh after this one but this has been a fantastic

01:48:38.840 conversation we'd love to have you back for uh a part two i feel like there's still so much to talk

01:48:44.320 about um if you'll come back if we haven't uh said anything totally offensive during this i think we

01:48:50.080 we were we tried a little we were behaved um before we do i i want to remind everybody where

01:48:56.260 where they can find your book oh and we have one final question too don't oh of course yeah

01:48:59.760 yeah yeah you know what before we even uh get to do i ask it before or after i don't remember how

01:49:04.900 this goes well ask you ask it now okay are you having fun and i don't just mean like on this

01:49:09.920 show with these two weirdos i mean like in everything you've been doing i know you've

01:49:15.040 described some harrowing things but there's obviously this body of fascinating research and

01:49:19.520 you're in the game you know what i mean that's very evident to me and i so in that way uh i think

01:49:26.960 there's at least some excitement but are you having fun that is a very interesting question

01:49:31.080 and i appreciate it actually because uh i haven't really i don't think ever had this is going to

01:49:36.120 sound hyperbolic i haven't i don't think i've ever really had fun and um i i like i like i said i'm

01:49:42.760 wrapped up in my head and i had had a bad background so my coping mechanism is over

01:49:46.820 intellectualization. And so I overthink everything. That's why, you know, and so I've been detached

01:49:51.980 from my heart. And I've offered that in business. You know, I write, I do what I can, I teach her,

01:49:58.200 et cetera, all that stuff. And so as a consequence of not feeling the pain, you don't feel the

01:50:03.560 pleasure either. So I've not had fun. And I don't know what fun is. I'm very milquetoast. I'm very

01:50:08.820 boring. I just research. I'm kind of like autistic that way. I will say though, for the first time,

01:50:14.260 then since i was a kid and was just frivolous and like maybe a teenager uh i have been having

01:50:19.860 so much fun because i've been talking to people like i was just on kurt metzker's show he is

01:50:25.180 hilarious i love her yeah talking to sam talking to you guys talking to people who

01:50:30.380 have a different view of everything where it's like sure this is the end of the world and we're

01:50:35.660 all going to hell in a handbasket but let's laugh along the way and i'm like you know i think i've

01:50:41.300 found my people like you just have to laugh but this is the first time and i don't know if it's

01:50:45.140 just the fact that i've been speaking to a lot more uh humorous people i think it's that i've

01:50:49.240 i've chosen to get off the fence and that is a joyous thing and so for the first time since i

01:50:55.680 was a teenager who ran away from home i'm having so much fun that's great war is fun well you said

01:51:02.780 you said you're a musician and i think it applies in in a similar way because i have i do have a

01:51:08.000 minor in music but it's like composition and you get really caught in theory and you can do that

01:51:12.100 and and then all of a sudden you're in this box and you're not having fun and you don't know how

01:51:16.800 to improvise and create so that's like when we're having fun we're this is just jazz we're just jazz

01:51:23.260 and you know yeah we can talk about like really serious subjects but for me uh there are a lot

01:51:27.600 of other people like you who do this way better than me so i'm like okay that why would i even

01:51:31.360 bother looking like an asshole yeah yeah never gonna present as an intellectual we do this thing

01:51:35.360 like retardio return to god like we're we're retarded we're just kind of gonna go with the

01:51:40.340 flow if it doesn't feel right we'll back off if it feels good we'll keep going yeah people aren't

01:51:44.320 gonna like it people whatever but i'm having fun and that's what matters in the end of the day

01:51:48.040 man um that's a great answer and i'm glad that you've come to this place because you know i

01:51:54.260 understand this research not only is it uh it's laborious it's interesting but it's dark you know

01:51:59.500 We've talked about that author, you know, Tracy, and it gets dark.

01:52:06.020 And it's, I think humor is.

01:52:08.000 Well, Nathaniel Gill, that's why I said you guys should talk,

01:52:09.840 because it's the same exact thing.

01:52:11.600 He's one of the people at the end that also said he was not having fun.

01:52:14.940 Yeah.

01:52:15.420 Two people, maybe, in the history of the show.

01:52:17.300 Who said they weren't having fun.

01:52:18.200 It's the nature of what you're looking into.

01:52:20.080 I was worried you were going to be number three,

01:52:21.740 but there was a good twist there at the end, and I'm pumped about that.

01:52:24.360 And I don't think that, you know, if you reside in fear,

01:52:28.980 I have a feeling the answer is going to be no.

01:52:32.620 But there's something else, right?

01:52:34.620 And for me, it's faith.

01:52:37.040 You know, it's that, like you said, we're going to hell in a handbasket.

01:52:40.420 But I'm not worried.

01:52:41.680 My stock is not in this physical realm.

01:52:44.400 I understand there's something else.

01:52:46.000 And, you know, it's going to be all right.

01:52:48.720 But thank you, Dr. Lynn.

01:52:50.580 It's been a fantastic conversation.

01:52:52.360 And like I said, I hope to have you back.

01:52:53.540 Let's tell everybody where they can find you.

01:52:56.100 DrHeaderLynn.com.

01:52:57.100 but find me on Substack and YouTube. You can just Google me. There you go. Yep, right there. I put

01:53:02.160 out articles, very long articles, where I break down all of the different things. And I do deep

01:53:07.780 dive presentations. And I have a documentary coming out soon called The Temple of Baal.

01:53:13.880 So we're gonna, I'm unveiling a whole lot of different things. And so this year,

01:53:17.260 I plan to go total scorched earth. And so hopefully you'll join me for that. And maybe

01:53:22.860 will even laugh a little bit well do me a favor uh he's gonna outro a stick around for a second

01:53:27.620 I'd like to ask you something yeah guys uh another great episode and until next time don't forget to

01:53:32.360 obey submit and comply thank you Dr. Heather Lynn this is Sam Sam said this was gonna be great he

01:53:36.960 was like you should you gotta you gotta talk to him yeah he did he said there was a lot of high

01:53:40.080 praise when we were on that episode we're gonna end the show thank you guys see you later

01:53:42.960 They bred with daughters of men, and they will do it again.

01:53:52.620 The end is written in the book, in the pages they foresaw.

01:54:00.580 Death Squad!

01:54:03.620 Death Squad!

01:54:07.780 Death Squad!

01:54:09.920 Death Squad!

01:54:12.960 When the last trumpet sounds

Nephilim Death Squad - April 20, 2026

The Annunaki Revelation w⧸ Dr Heather Lynn

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