Ed Mabry is a writer, podcaster, and podcaster who has been around for over a decade. He's been a part of the Jehovah Story Club, a Bible study group that focuses on the book of Genesis and how it relates to the modern world. In this episode of the show, we talk about how he got started in his career, what it means to him, and where he's headed in the future.
00:05:41.220They don't want the same old, same old stuff that you've been hearing if you've been in church since you were a kid like I've been.
00:05:46.040They want to know about the spiritual stuff.
00:05:48.080They want someone who's just going to speak about these things authentically and not be afraid to go into some of the areas of the Bible that are a little weird and creepy
00:05:54.360and where God doesn't seem like the God in our Sunday school books.
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00:06:36.120Yeah, I encourage you guys to join because, again, I missed the live where you could actually go there and ask Ed questions and derail him.
00:07:00.960One of the points, I'm sure, I don't want to spoil today, but you got into a little bit about there being something that you can't create, God wouldn't create out of nothing, or that there can't be nothing before there's creation.
00:07:14.300And that was a very intense idea that you're not going to hear in church.
00:07:18.000I'm sure we're going to touch on some of that.
00:07:19.540Yeah, well, because I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's that you can't create chaos.
00:07:37.880I actually did answer his question about you can't create chaos because he was like, because basically, you know, it's not just biblically not possible.
00:07:45.420It's just like metaphysically, I mean, the second law of thermodynamics says, you know, chaos, you can't go from chaos to order.
00:07:50.800You have to go from order to chaos because chaos is the measurement of a lack of order.
00:07:54.780So you, so it doesn't even exist as its own thing.
00:07:57.500So you have to have order first, then chaos.
00:07:59.660And he, the person, I guess, he basically said, well, what if I just, you know, scribble some random crap on a piece of paper?
00:08:06.560I said, no, because in order to do that, you have to have a thought process, an orderly thought process.
00:08:11.160Your synapses have to fire in your brain.
00:08:12.700You have to think to yourself, I want to create a bunch of scribbles.
00:08:17.000You had to have, you had to have a pen and you had to have the manufacturing of the paper.
00:08:22.820There's a lot that goes into this before you just do one thing.
00:08:25.820You know, what's fascinating about that is those mystery schools, whether it's the Masons or the OTO or, you know, you name them, you can go on and on.
00:08:32.120Everything that they believe can kind of be summed up as order out of chaos.
00:08:37.580And their entire belief system is structured that way.
00:08:41.340And it would be fascinating to find that that, too, among many other things, was an inversion.
00:11:43.880But so when it comes to the book of Genesis, I'm really excited to do this, man, because it was a fantastic journey going through the book of Revelation.
00:11:53.200But you have mentioned it in the past, and it rang true to me, Ed.
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00:12:41.440Everybody kind of wants to get into the book of Revelation because it's got its theater and its drama, but it's, like, something about the end of all things.
00:12:51.340We're fascinated with it as human beings.
00:12:54.160And so it was a great journey, but I'm excited that it's not ending.
00:12:59.140And, in fact, now we're starting from the beginning.
00:13:01.980And so where do you want to start when it comes to the book of Genesis?
00:13:05.340Well, yeah, so I want this show to be an intro because it's, there's a, I want to talk about why, you know, why is, why was this book written?
00:13:15.820It was actually dictated directly by God to Moses.
00:13:18.000So this is one of two books we can say definitively came from the, from God.
00:13:22.860You know, most of the other books were inspired by God, by the Holy Spirit.
00:13:26.440But they were usually, you know, people writing about what they, what they heard from God directly, you know, the prophets, you know, Isaiah, Jeremiah, so forth and so on.
00:13:34.260They penned those books directly with their experience.
00:13:36.520This, the book of Genesis is different because God told this to Moses.
00:13:41.060We're going to talk about that in a second.
00:13:42.380And so I want to get into, into really why.
00:13:44.540So just laying the foundation for it and why it's important.
00:13:46.780And you talked to just to end the whole order or chaos thing.
00:13:52.260And then from chaos, you can have someone else's order, but that order, that order is always less than the original order.
00:13:58.240We're going to see that in Genesis is that every time some kind of, you know, you have the order, something chaotic happens and everything else is a little bit lower.
00:14:05.980And I think we're, we're seeing that, you know, in our world that, you know, the, the world that existed before 9-11.
00:14:15.640I used to like, you know, being able to see my loved one off on a plane, like actually go all the way up to the, you know, to the terminal where they're not the terminal, but, you know, go to the gate.
00:14:27.100I like to be able to, you know, wear my shoes when I, you know, go in and, you know, take a bottle of wine or something onto the plane directly.
00:15:38.560So, so why, why, why, why, why am I doing Genesis now?
00:15:42.900Because I've just started on, on, on my channels.
00:15:46.180Um, I've, I've got another one that's going to drop next week.
00:15:49.400It's going through it at the same, same way I did with Revelation verse by verse, but also, you know, throwing in my commentary and introductions.
00:15:55.820The reason is that it's the most logical place to go after Revelation.
00:15:59.060After you get to the end, to the, to the climax, you want to go back to the beginning.
00:16:02.360And we do this, you know, in, in, in our regular lives.
00:16:05.700When you, when you see like a TV series that was really great or a movie series and it ends and you want to go back to the beginning and say, okay, now that I know how it ends,
00:16:14.000I want to go back and see all the setup.
00:16:16.360I want to see how the characters evolved over the time, over time, you know, Lord of the Rings, one of my favorite movies, uh, and, and books.
00:16:24.060You know, I love going back and, and taking it from the beginning to see, you know, where the characters were, how they were more innocent and all the things they went through to get to that final conclusion.
00:16:34.560You know, I love the show breaking bad, uh, I'm sorry, Ed, you just crushed it, dude.
00:16:48.840Cause a lot of shows kind of fall off at the end or have, or have like, you know, uh, the middle word drags breaking bad was just, it got better and better.
00:52:38.760So basically, that's what God's doing with this.
00:52:42.640He's trying to, again, separate them out and contrast all the things that they had heard in other mythologies versus the reality of what was happening.
00:52:55.620So I guess we can start getting into the actual creation aspect of itself.
00:53:21.660It's just primitive people trying their best to understand the world around them.
00:53:26.880Because we have this idea that people who are, you know, in ancient times are just dumb and we're the smart ones when I think it's actually the other way around.
00:53:33.700I think these ancient civilizations could do things that we can't even replicate to this day.
00:53:57.820And we've lost that, which is why we're as a society are much more secular because we don't see the miraculous.
00:54:03.760Not that it's not happening as much, but we just aren't able to observe it.
00:54:07.660I wonder how that plays out then because, you know, until the inspired word of God exists, then I really can't fault people almost at all for falling for it, right?
00:55:11.280And it doesn't really fit into Greek mythology very much unless you take into consideration that Zeus and the rest of the pantheon were fallen angels.
00:55:18.520And it's like they're just kind of telling you.
00:55:40.780So, I mean, actually, I'm going to stay with the big picture for the rest of this episode because I'm just, you know, giving the overview of it.
00:55:45.780So, so you have, so you have the creation mythology and, and, and then you have, again, the, the, the fall of man, how man falls.
00:55:53.940And you also, and that includes the, the promise of the hero.
00:55:58.400So, so, so, so again, we'll, we'll get into the details of this, but God promises that there will be a seed of the woman who will basically overturn the, the plans of, of, of the Nakash, the, the shining one, which again is, is unfortunately translated serpent in, in most of our Bibles.
00:56:17.360And leads you to think there's a talking snake.
00:56:19.460And actually I was on a podcast actually probably came out last week with Josh Monday and he's hosting it along with, with Gary Wayne, who I'm a big fan of.
00:56:28.540He's, he's a great researcher and he and I, we were mostly in agreement, like probably 90% of it.
00:56:33.060We had a few areas where we diverged because, you know, he believed that the, that it was a, a reptile who was basically possessed by, you know, by the, by the fallen one, by, by the, the, the, I call him Satan for the life.
00:56:49.460For lack of a better term right now, who was possessed by him and, and that he was cursed to crawl on his belly.
00:56:54.100And I, I diverged from that because I, I, I think that it's pretty clear that, that Nakash means, means, means shining one as, as a, as a proper title.
00:57:03.120So I think it was actually him, not him possessing a snake.
00:57:06.200And I know that some of the things that trips people up and, and I struggle with it myself is that what does it mean he goes on his belly?
00:58:40.320And we know later on in the Bible, he's referred to as the dragon.
00:58:43.440And we also know there's a class of angelic beings, a class of Elohim called the seraphim, which are the only angels who are depicted as having wings in the Bible.
00:58:51.560And they have six wings, and they are fiery-plumed serpents.
00:58:57.100They are, they are, they are, what would you call a flying, fiery serpent?
01:00:12.500Yeah, if you go to Chichen Itza, you know, you see his, you know, the pyramid of Kukulkan in Chichen Itza basically represents that.
01:00:19.180So, that's, that's what they look like.
01:00:21.400Yeah, they fly on a, less of a gravitational sort of, less, less with gravity and more, I mean, how would I explain this?
01:00:30.920They fly, like, in the way that, like, a bee, right?
01:00:33.400Like, a bee doesn't have the lift or doesn't have wings the size that, that are, you know, you shouldn't be able to generate that lift.
01:00:40.760Yeah, yeah, and they're flying besides, like, in spite of their wings.
01:00:44.120They have a bunch of wings, but it's just like, they're just kind of like that, that snake or that dragon.
01:00:48.240They undulate, it's the way they're, they're depicted as flying.
01:00:51.900When you, when, if you go to Chichen Itza on, like, the right day of the year, I think, I don't know if it's the equinox or the, or the solstice or whatever, the sun hits that pyramid, Kukulkan, right?
01:01:01.300And you see, and the sun reflects, an undulating serpent.
01:01:04.800So, that's how they're supposed to fly.
01:01:15.940That's why there's so much serpentine symbolism in a lot of these pagan and occult religions.
01:01:27.960Now, keep in mind, all, not all the seraphim are bad.
01:01:31.480I had, I know a guy who's in Scotland.
01:01:34.000He is, you know, really strong Christian, and he has a lot of very, I don't know, prophetic dreams, and he has a lot of dreams from God.
01:01:40.760And he said, and he got freaked out because he saw a dream, he had a dream where there was a dragon talking to him, but talking positively about God.
01:01:47.280And he freaked out and says, that can't be.
01:01:49.460And I said, no, keep in mind, they didn't all fall.
01:01:52.300There are seraphim who are still good guys.
01:01:54.240I've had a dream where, like, a flying serpent is, like, beckoning me to some sort of adventure, and I was, like, happy to go out and meet it.
01:02:04.340Interestingly enough, I had another dream about it where it was flying above a temple, and I was, like, in a tourist situation, like, in South America, visiting a temple.
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01:03:40.840We have to be very, very, very careful because, yeah, some of them are bad, but some of them are good.
01:03:45.300But also there are some angelic beings who are beautiful, beings of light who are actually fallen.
01:03:50.340I mean, we see in the New Testament, I think the apostle Paul says you have to be worried because even Satan can appear as an angel of light.
01:03:57.720So just because you have a good, you have an experience with some creature who is, you know, beautiful and shining doesn't mean it's a good guy.
01:05:34.620You're, you know, I'm putting you in charge.
01:05:37.000And he has, he won't go back on his word until, you know, until the very end.
01:05:40.620And another principle, again, is he, is that man's given a chance to repent because when, when he ate the forbidden fruit, did God judge him immediately?
01:05:49.900No, he asked him, he asked questions and their response dictated that, you know, we're going to get into a lot of stuff about, about Cain.
01:05:56.800And there is so much mythology about Cain and was he fathered by this, by the Nakash, by the serpent or, you know, where did he get his wife and all these sorts of things.
01:06:06.860So we're going to get into all of that.
01:06:08.740I wonder about like, um, different angels because, because it seems that, you know, there's, there's order within these, these, uh, Elohim.
01:06:18.340And the, there seems to be different job titles, right?
01:06:23.760Like we have Satan, the accuser, and it's gotten to the extent now where like, I recognize that as the adversary, but I'm not too sure that that is not beneficial to the spirit of the, the development of the spirit of mankind.
01:06:34.760You know what it is, just real quick, I'll let you get back to, but I would like to call him a prosecutor.
01:06:40.440That's what it's like, if you, if you're arrested or whatever, you have a prosecutor, it's nothing personal against you.
01:06:46.900The person, the prosecutor's job is to present the evidence that it's going to try to prove your guilt.
01:07:12.760And I'm wondering about like this dragon class of, of.
01:07:16.900Or this serpentine class of angel and what their job might've been.
01:07:20.480And I, I don't know that there's any, any way to, to get a look into that, but, uh, I, you know, because within our own mythos of like the hero's journey, it is the, the dragon that calls you to, to come and fight it essentially.
01:07:33.560So, so if you have like somebody that's willing to be the prosecutor and play in so many ways, this adversarial character, well, then.
01:07:41.500Is there room for someone to play the bad guy that you, you're beckoned to come and, and, and overcome, right?
01:07:48.860So I'm going to drop something on you real quick from, based on the Bible, from what we've seen, it appears that the, the seraphim, the serpentine class were the artists.
01:08:39.800The medium of, yeah, it's vibrations, frequencies when you're working with color, things like that.
01:08:45.520But if they know that to such an intimate level, like they have their, they, yeah, it's, it's weird.
01:08:51.340It's like, you know, some people in the government have like more control than others, or it's just, just by the nature of where they are placed.
01:09:00.740If you, if you notice, I mean, getting into just our, our, our pop culture, I mean, one of the favorite places for the demonic to, to exert the influence is in our music.
01:09:11.380I don't think that Satan ever lost his affinity for music.
01:09:14.800Like now I, they're not creative because I believe because man is creative.
01:09:19.340And I think once, because we still have that connection, our spirit, that spiritual connection, once you are judged, here's another principle.
01:09:25.540Once God judges you, you are cut off from creativity.
01:10:03.680And then other people will be like, I channeled it, dog, you know, and it's like, all right, well, at least those people know what's going on.
01:10:09.500Here's something else to freak you out.
01:10:10.680I think we may have spoken about this before.
01:11:12.620And it seems like we're communicating with them in this way.
01:11:15.180Little did I know I do a show where I would uncover it.
01:11:18.180We, we would uncover it pretty thoroughly.
01:11:20.020So when you just said that, you're like, I think I'm like, I'm pretty sure I know this thing's a demon, but Hey, write my, write my damn podcast description.
01:12:17.220You know, do you think it was a, do you think it was, where did, where did Lucifer with his job description of Satan go wrong in the garden?
01:12:28.120I guess he, he accepted some form of worship from them or was, cause he, he crossed the line.
01:12:32.660And I feel like he was doing his job, but he crossed the line.
01:12:35.420I believe, I believe he was the first, I think his job was to test Adam and Eve to make sure that they were going to still walk with Jehovah.
01:13:05.080I believe because he was jealous of the position that humanity had.
01:13:08.800Remember that in this primordial world before man was created, there was angelic, there were angelic civilizations that ruled the heavens and the earth.
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01:19:47.220You're going to take the chip, take the implant, take the augmentation, alter your DNA, whatever you got to do, because you're so afraid that whatever comes after this next isn't good or there's nothing or you'll be judged or what have you.
01:19:59.800And so, yeah, that fear is what drives you towards sin in the first place, in many cases, at least.
01:20:05.320And what's interesting, what you said, Raven, you said something before about how, you know, glass falls off the table.
01:20:12.260We are so ripe now for when big spiritual stuff happens, everyone's going to fall for it.
01:20:17.200I think that's what we talked about in the Revelation series.
01:20:19.400I think when we get to the point of the so-called tribulation, when the fallen angels are at the sixth seal, when they're kicked out of the spiritual realm and they appear, we're not ready for that.
01:20:29.980But everyone's – they're going to fall for whatever they say because they're nice to it.
01:20:55.120We've come to save you in these troubling times.
01:20:57.200That's what they're going to ask for their message.
01:20:58.720But speaking of which, you know, the next stage after you get – you know, through that you get to the Nephilim and with the fallen angels.
01:21:07.040And that's the source of secret societies.
01:21:09.220That's the first time we have that bargain of, you know, the quit pro quo.
01:21:13.160You give us your women so we can procreate and we'll give you the secrets of the heavens you were never meant to have.
01:21:27.960And then, you know, then you get to the Tower of Babel, the first – no, the first government and what government's all about.
01:21:33.960And what they wanted to do was, you know, try to invade the heavens.
01:21:37.220And then, you know, all throughout this you see that man is getting further and further from God.
01:21:41.900And God is getting his heart broken over and over again.
01:21:45.380Like he keeps giving – I've given you everything and we keep betraying him.
01:21:49.700And you're going to see God becoming more tentative.
01:21:52.100He's like, well, how much do I want to interact with these people?
01:21:54.920How easily do I want to interact with them?
01:21:56.960Because they keep kicking me in the balls every time I do something nice for them.
01:22:00.660It's fascinating, too, because I am one of these people that's obsessed with knowing.
01:22:07.720And I have to be careful with that because, obviously, there's a point of diminishing returns in everything.
01:22:14.380And I recognize that one of the greatest fears is the fear of the unknown.
01:22:20.080And so that, if you're not careful, can be a massive driving force in the pursuit of knowledge.
01:22:27.100And with the pursuit of knowledge comes the gnosis, I suppose, on how to manipulate things that you probably have no business manipulating.
01:22:37.940And that's kind of the trap for a lot of people, right?
01:22:40.860Because it's that hunger for knowledge that leads you to the doorstep of being able to create a transhumanist future, right?
01:22:48.780So, man, that's a really tight rope to walk.
01:22:54.060In fact, it is kind of the hero's journey because many times the point in the hero's journey is to get there and then to throw it away.
01:23:03.600Throw the ring in the fire, snap the wand, and throw it over the bridge, right?
01:23:06.920If it's Harry Potter and the Elder Wand.
01:23:09.640And so the idea is maybe now that is the – because it's too late to put the cat back in the bag.
01:23:16.160Maybe now, since that knowledge is there, it's almost like the point is to get there because in seeking knowledge, you're seeking the truth.
01:23:25.920In seeking the truth, you're seeking God.
01:23:27.560But it's a tight rope because once you get there, you might use that for a negative purpose.
01:23:32.780So I think the point is once you get to the door and you can have this power is to throw it away.
01:23:37.520Yeah, especially if you can't handle it or if you weren't meant to handle it.
01:23:57.380He says it's not that he was withholding it from me.
01:24:00.340He wanted to make sure it wasn't going to damage me, which we've had that conversation before.
01:24:03.400But there are some questions I've asked recently where I had to come to the conclusion of, you know what, it may not be for me to know this answer at this time.
01:24:11.860I think there are some things you can't know, right?
01:24:14.020Because it's like, let's say your knowledge brings you, I use this metaphor like the other day.
01:24:18.700It's like your knowledge brings you so far that you're in a tiny boat.
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01:25:37.500Do you seek some sort of a covenant with some sort of fallen entity to gain what you cannot gain anymore because you're up against something that is not permeable?
01:25:49.000So, yeah, I could see how if you create a realm, it's an enclosed system.
01:25:56.880We can't go beyond the edges yet, not in this physical form, not in this corporeal form.
01:26:01.040Then what happens is you start asking things that can permeate that.
01:26:04.780You know, like, oh, well, what do these fallen angels think?