Nephilim Death Squad - The Cecil Hotel w⧸ Dani of The Rabbit Hole Podcast

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00:03:52.780 Joining us today for the second time to talk about a woman who got lost in a water tower.

00:03:58.580 No, it's more complicated than that.

00:03:59.960 There's a lady in the water tower.

00:04:01.040 We're going to talk all about that.

00:04:02.020 It is Danny of the Rabbit Hole Podcast.

00:04:03.980 Before we get into the conversation, why don't you tell everybody where they can find you?

00:04:08.500 The Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Theories, basically wherever you are looking for a podcast or the rabbit or rabbit dot hole podcast everywhere social media wise.

00:04:18.460 So I can see that you like there's a girl thing.

00:04:23.400 And the girl thing is having that innate ability to take your camera, put it in vertical and do like a tick tock style video.

00:04:32.300 Yeah, I think it's a bone structure.

00:04:33.680 I think it is because we can't do it, dude.

00:04:35.860 OK, firstly, that's not what's happening.

00:04:37.700 I'm taking my long form videos.

00:04:39.440 I'm throwing it into Opus Clip and letting it do its thing.

00:04:41.900 And then I just automatically post that onto social media.

00:04:45.040 That's not true.

00:04:45.720 Because sometimes I do.

00:04:47.100 Sometimes I do like just take a video if I'm like, oh, shit, I forgot to post on social media today.

00:04:50.940 So then I'll like take a video and throw it up there.

00:04:52.940 But most of the time I just put an Opus Clip.

00:04:55.360 Let it do what works for me.

00:04:55.800 We have a shout out to.

00:04:59.420 No, it's not Vanessa.

00:05:00.340 I keep accidentally calling her Vanessa.

00:05:02.040 It's Tiffany.

00:05:03.100 Tiffany.

00:05:03.520 Shout out to Tiffany.

00:05:04.800 Wow.

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00:05:06.100 Shout out to Tiffany.

00:05:06.720 She helps us practically the same name.

00:05:10.220 She helps us with our social media.

00:05:12.220 And the other day she was here and she goes, you know what?

00:05:15.060 Why don't we just make like some a clip right now?

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00:05:27.840 I would have been more comfortable if she was holding a gun.

00:05:31.800 She's like, so what's the show about?

00:05:33.820 And I'm like, uh, it's conspiracy and comedy.

00:05:38.360 And so I don't know what that is.

00:05:40.200 I can't make that short form content.

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00:05:43.680 So guys, go and follow Danny on all social medias.

00:05:47.380 You promised us last time.

00:05:48.740 And by the way, the last episode that we had you on, really well received.

00:05:52.100 People really enjoyed it.

00:05:53.080 Or else we would have never invited you back.

00:05:55.180 Stop being so mean.

00:05:56.340 No, no.

00:05:56.880 I mean, I am.

00:05:57.520 I'm telling her it was a good thing.

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00:05:59.120 You're being nasty.

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00:06:03.420 I'm a little bit.

00:06:04.480 I had a lot of that soda stream before.

00:06:07.640 He's jacked up on Mountain Dew.

00:06:09.100 I'm a little bit.

00:06:09.860 There's no sugar in that.

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00:06:14.660 And it's made in Israel.

00:06:15.960 And God bless him for that.

00:06:17.060 So the last episode that we had you on was really great.

00:06:20.620 And actually, if I'm not mistaken, it might have been the first episode we did in the new studio.

00:06:25.480 I just remembered that.

00:06:27.340 Oh, yeah.

00:06:28.180 I think it was.

00:06:28.960 So we had just finished this.

00:06:30.460 And it was like the next day.

00:06:32.340 And we had you on.

00:06:33.720 And we were talking about, I believe it was Atlantis, right?

00:06:36.320 It was Atlantis?

00:06:37.200 Yeah.

00:06:38.000 Great episode.

00:06:39.000 And you left us with a bit of a cliffhanger.

00:06:40.940 You said, I don't know if it was on air.

00:06:42.560 I don't know if it was afterwards.

00:06:43.760 You're right.

00:06:44.300 That was the day.

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00:06:46.480 Yeah.

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00:06:51.460 Don't worry about it.

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00:06:52.600 So we've patched things over and, you know, God bless them.

00:06:56.440 God bless Israel.

00:06:57.620 But so what you were mentioning on the way out was this idea of the Cecil Hotel.

00:07:04.080 I'm peripherally aware of it.

00:07:06.020 I know there's a lot of mysterious circumstances surrounding a woman who kind of seems to be in

00:07:12.040 distress, goes missing for a time, and then is found in really mysterious circumstances.

00:07:19.080 And it's a fascinating one, goes viral all the time, believe even my wife was, I caught

00:07:24.700 her talking about it the other day.

00:07:25.620 My wife.

00:07:26.220 And I said, I'm going to do a show on that.

00:07:27.860 How cool is that?

00:07:28.500 Oh, she knew about this?

00:07:29.940 She knew about this.

00:07:30.740 I had a little bit of knowledge about it.

00:07:32.240 I had heard about it because it is, it's a fantastic story.

00:07:35.480 And there's so many sort of loose ends, you know, from the video footage of the woman,

00:07:41.080 she seems to be in distress.

00:07:42.600 Someone's following her to ultimately where they find her.

00:07:45.900 A lot of folks probably already know.

00:07:47.240 I don't want to bury the lead.

00:07:47.980 I think I did at the start of the show.

00:07:49.300 I don't know.

00:07:49.880 You don't know.

00:07:50.540 Well, you're going to learn something today.

00:07:52.320 This is exciting.

00:07:53.560 So where should we start in regards to this strange story?

00:07:58.440 I think that we should start with like the Cecil Hotel in general, because there have been

00:08:02.240 so many people.

00:08:03.540 It feels like a very demonic place because there's so many people there that have gone

00:08:09.140 there and then committed suicide.

00:08:10.860 And in a lot of cases, they weren't suicidal before they stayed at the Cecil Hotel.

00:08:15.520 And then they would just like show up and kill themselves.

00:08:19.740 You're like, okay, like what's happening here that like really caused it to be deadly?

00:08:26.840 I don't really know.

00:08:27.740 Like I, we were trying to figure out why people were going there to kill themselves.

00:08:33.420 And a lot of people like chalk it up to, well, they were just suicidal.

00:08:35.960 They went there.

00:08:36.720 That was like an easy place to do it.

00:08:38.300 But that doesn't, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, especially like when you start

00:08:44.140 to, I think there's been 34 confirmed deaths.

00:08:48.400 Whoa.

00:08:49.160 And so why, right?

00:08:52.880 The Cecil Hotel, I mean, it was built in 1924.

00:08:56.540 So I guess like statistically, maybe there could have been that many deaths and it was just

00:09:02.480 like coincidence.

00:09:04.000 Although here at the rabbit hole, we don't believe in coincidences and I'm sure you guys

00:09:08.040 probably have figured that too.

00:09:10.420 What'd you say it was, it was made in the, I'm looking at it.

00:09:12.940 1924.

00:09:14.140 So already by 1927, you have the first recorded.

00:09:17.560 The first recorded death in 1927.

00:09:19.460 So it's only three years after that.

00:09:21.280 I mean, that's, even that alone is pretty shocking.

00:09:23.640 I mean, the place had only been around for three years.

00:09:25.560 Right.

00:09:25.860 And then you have another one in 31 and 32 and 34, 37.

00:09:29.200 Like you've got deaths, like it feels like every year you have at least one suicide.

00:09:35.240 That's interesting.

00:09:36.280 Are you guys aware of the suicide cove?

00:09:39.060 No, I'm not familiar with that.

00:09:41.180 I don't remember the location, but there was like a certain cove.

00:09:44.260 It was like off of a pit stop and people would go there and not suicidal at all and just get

00:09:49.800 the inclination to jump off the ledge.

00:09:51.380 And I think the authorities determined that it had something to do with the acoustics of this area.

00:09:59.340 So because it was a cove and when people were in it, it made them behave in a certain way that wanted to do this.

00:10:05.580 Were there sirens there?

00:10:07.780 I don't know.

00:10:09.120 I know that what they did was demolish the mountain that was creating this like acoustic,

00:10:14.320 kind of supersonic, whatever kind of vibrations.

00:10:17.120 And they say that it ceased.

00:10:19.400 There is some sort of psychological thing, right?

00:10:21.820 When people get to a bridge and they're like, hmm, I wonder what I think that most people have had this thought

00:10:26.500 where you get to a bridge and you're like, I wonder what would happen if I jumped off?

00:10:29.100 Sure.

00:10:29.620 Every time.

00:10:30.260 Yeah.

00:10:30.660 Yeah.

00:10:30.960 Well, I remember now what you were talking about.

00:10:33.760 It is there was an acoustic property.

00:10:36.560 They actually had to like alter the rock formation because of the way that like frequency was amplifying

00:10:42.820 in this rock formation, it was producing this harmonic that was somehow associated with like extreme depression.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.440 That's interesting.

00:10:54.040 So it was the sirens.

00:10:55.460 I mean, in some way, I guess you could say that.

00:10:58.160 Yeah.

00:10:59.020 I mean, isn't that what they were doing?

00:11:00.660 Right?

00:11:00.980 Yeah.

00:11:01.180 They're luring ships into crashing into rocky coves.

00:11:06.140 Right?

00:11:06.460 And so, and this is specifically a cliff formation.

00:11:09.880 That's fascinating.

00:11:11.540 Yeah.

00:11:11.980 I've never heard of that before.

00:11:13.480 It's in, sorry, Big Sur Coast, California.

00:11:16.680 That tracks.

00:11:17.960 Yeah.

00:11:18.180 It was like a steep, rocky inlet near the cliffs.

00:11:20.880 And for some reason, I guess like the rock formation was creating these like supersonic

00:11:26.940 vibrations that people would, yeah, would drive them into deep depression.

00:11:30.240 People who otherwise weren't suicidal.

00:11:32.400 And I guess they saw the cliff and they're like, yeah, why not?

00:11:34.840 And they would just do that.

00:11:35.760 And it became such a problem that they did had to, they had to alter the rock.

00:11:40.020 Yeah.

00:11:40.180 Like the rock formation, like knock it, knock some of the stuff down, which is kind of strange.

00:11:43.560 But I don't know.

00:11:44.720 I just, it reminded me of that maybe something's going on with the structure of how they built

00:11:49.900 this hotel, intentional or not.

00:11:51.860 Yeah.

00:11:52.360 Yeah.

00:11:52.940 I don't know.

00:11:53.440 Like I kind of like personally, I'm leaning towards more like a, almost like a portal to

00:11:59.520 hell because like you have these people committing suicide, like that's not the way that you're

00:12:06.980 supposed to die.

00:12:07.900 And so like, is this a place where like the devil's collecting souls?

00:12:13.020 That's an interesting thought.

00:12:14.260 It, it, it just seemed, it seemed odd to me because you have, like I said, you have

00:12:18.260 so many, um.

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00:12:50.500 Different deaths.

00:12:52.980 I mean, I have them all, like I have a bunch of them laid out.

00:12:55.680 But like we said, like 1927 was the first one.

00:12:58.340 And then you have 31, 32, we skip 33, you get 34, 37, 38, 39, 40.

00:13:06.860 Every year like that?

00:13:08.220 Yeah.

00:13:08.580 And then in 44, the lady killed her son, her baby.

00:13:12.900 47, 54, 62.

00:13:16.480 Another one in 62.

00:13:18.580 Actually, it was like a, like a dual death.

00:13:20.620 That one was actually kind of interesting.

00:13:22.660 I don't, they're all interesting.

00:13:24.020 But this lady, she was arguing with her husband.

00:13:27.740 She left the room, or he left the room, excuse me.

00:13:33.680 Oh, sorry.

00:13:34.460 I'm messing up the whole story.

00:13:36.300 So she left saying like she was going to go take her life.

00:13:40.760 And so she left, she jumped from the building, from the top of the building.

00:13:44.200 And then she landed on this guy who was just like walking on the ground, like next to the hotel, and ended up killing him too.

00:13:51.500 Jeez.

00:13:52.420 That's really strange.

00:13:53.440 He's like a 65-year-old guy.

00:13:54.640 If you think about it, and you know, typically it's like, what comes first?

00:14:00.560 Is it like the suicides or like the supernatural sort of energy from like one event?

00:14:08.040 But like this thing is only three years old.

00:14:10.000 You know, because I'm kind of thinking like if something spooky happens in it, like let's say there's a murder or whatever in a house, that might lead to like future hauntings.

00:14:17.440 And then you might go into that and be like, oh, the energy of this place is off, or it's this, or it's that.

00:14:21.580 This place was three years old.

00:14:23.160 Yeah.

00:14:23.620 So is it built on like, like I'm looking it up, there's no mention of, I went for the cliche.

00:14:30.500 Where was the location?

00:14:31.680 Los Angeles.

00:14:32.360 Yeah, it's near Skid Row.

00:14:34.520 Or it's on Skid Row actually.

00:14:35.960 Yeah.

00:14:37.180 So now like.

00:14:38.260 It's on Skid Row?

00:14:38.560 Yeah, so it's been, it's been boarded up and like not functional for several years now.

00:14:44.800 There's been talk that they're going to renovate it and somebody's like going to buy it.

00:14:48.440 But like it goes back and forth.

00:14:50.360 It's on Skid Row.

00:14:52.260 That's interesting.

00:14:53.700 I'm wondering, we've talked about, you know, Skid Row, Los Angeles, Powers and Principalities, whatever, whatever spirit has like dominion.

00:15:02.480 Over that part of Los Angeles, you know.

00:15:05.400 But in the 20s when it was built, was like, was that even a thing?

00:15:08.780 Not yet, right?

00:15:09.740 Well, I mean, how far, is Hollywood near, I don't know, geographically retarded.

00:15:16.620 Is Hollywood near Los Angeles?

00:15:19.960 Hollywood's in Los Angeles.

00:15:22.660 Just because I know like that time is a really strange time for the development of Hollywood, you know, being, I guess, its inception is basically like the early 1910s, you know, and then by 1920 you have, was it 1920 the Cecil Hotel was erect?

00:15:38.260 1924, yeah.

00:15:39.320 24.

00:15:39.620 24, 27 is when the first suicide, or the first recorded suicide.

00:15:43.900 There could have been suicides before that that we just don't, like they didn't record, we didn't know about.

00:15:47.780 That's a very heavy time for California.

00:15:51.020 It's all, I mean, this also might not have anything to do with it, but it's one degree north of the 33rd parallel.

00:15:56.480 That's interesting.

00:15:57.300 That is really interesting.

00:15:59.020 Yeah.

00:15:59.300 Yeah, I always look at that, whether it's like something is on or around.

00:16:03.460 Seems like the things that are on have more proclivity to have supernatural properties, but still, I mean, if that is like a thin area within, on the earth, the 33rd parallel, things around it will still attract, but I don't know.

00:16:16.520 When does this place get shut down?

00:16:20.000 So you have some serial killers that come in and out.

00:16:23.140 What?

00:16:23.620 Really?

00:16:23.980 Yeah.

00:16:25.660 Wow.

00:16:25.980 So in like 1984, 85, Richard Ramirez, like the Night Stalker, who is a satanic worshiper, right?

00:16:33.920 He was living in the Cecil Hotel while he was like on his murder spree.

00:16:39.320 That's right.

00:16:42.000 I remember learning that because I think we watched the Night Stalker documentary because for whatever reason.

00:16:47.640 Yeah, so he lived there for a while, which is, and like obviously he never killed himself, but in that situation.

00:16:54.700 But like it's interesting that he was attracted to the hotel.

00:16:58.440 Have you seen American Horror Story Hotel like that season?

00:17:02.580 Oh, that was one of the early ones, wasn't it?

00:17:05.260 It was like season three or four, I think.

00:17:07.360 I think I might have.

00:17:08.640 I watched like, I think I stopped watching for American Horror Freaks show because I found everybody so ugly in the circus that I couldn't, none of them were likable.

00:17:17.580 You need to at least have some remotely likable.

00:17:19.480 But each season's different, so you can just like watch a new season.

00:17:22.160 I know, but then they did the Lady Gaga thing too.

00:17:24.460 That's the one.

00:17:25.360 That's the one.

00:17:26.140 I was upset with that because I don't like her because I think she's a...

00:17:29.880 I thought she did a fine job.

00:17:31.560 Like she's a good person to cast for this because she's already so like satanic and like demonic.

00:17:36.040 Exactly.

00:17:36.440 It's like perfect for the hotel.

00:17:38.240 But that season is based loosely on the Cecil Hotel.

00:17:45.020 Interesting.

00:17:45.680 That makes a lot of sense now.

00:17:46.960 Okay.

00:17:47.420 And so like it's very like demonic.

00:17:49.380 Like they're collecting...

00:17:50.000 It feels like they're collecting souls.

00:17:51.560 Like the souls are living there.

00:17:53.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:53.840 And isn't there some element where like all of these people become not just collected, but they're all...

00:18:00.680 Yeah, I mean, they're kind of trapped there in the same way that you might look at The Shining with that hotel when you have like the spirit of the twins and things like that.

00:18:07.180 The Stanley Hotel, yeah.

00:18:07.900 Yes.

00:18:08.400 The Stanley Hotel isn't actually haunted though.

00:18:11.300 No, but what I mean to say is like...

00:18:12.760 They really like play it up if you ever go there.

00:18:14.360 Like they really play it up.

00:18:15.820 But yeah, like that, the same concept, right?

00:18:19.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:18:19.960 So they're...

00:18:20.420 And then you would see...

00:18:21.440 So the hotel has collected them.

00:18:23.220 This is interesting.

00:18:24.240 When we were talking about like the earth being a character.

00:18:28.140 Oh, Ghost Ship is a great one too.

00:18:29.600 Yeah, yep.

00:18:30.060 Yeah.

00:18:30.540 Where they're collecting all the souls on the boat.

00:18:32.800 Exactly.

00:18:33.380 Yeah, that's an interesting idea there.

00:18:36.840 But also on the same...

00:18:39.100 Like not everybody that goes there dies.

00:18:43.020 So it kind of makes you want...

00:18:44.980 Because you would think that if...

00:18:46.460 This is where I go back and forth.

00:18:47.780 Because if that many people are dying, maybe collecting souls is the purpose.

00:18:51.540 But you look at it and not that many people.

00:18:55.520 I mean, yes, that many people in the grand scheme of things.

00:18:58.240 But you don't have like multiple deaths a year.

00:19:00.940 Right.

00:19:01.500 But you do have thousands of people coming in and out per year, right?

00:19:05.660 Right.

00:19:06.320 So like in that...

00:19:07.000 Statistically.

00:19:08.060 Statistically, it's not a significant thing.

00:19:10.320 Right.

00:19:10.920 So I think...

00:19:11.740 I don't know.

00:19:12.180 I go back and forth with it.

00:19:13.060 Because like maybe it's paranormal.

00:19:16.180 Maybe it's demonic.

00:19:16.980 Maybe it's like anybody that's already having kind of a bad day.

00:19:20.440 It like really sucks on that.

00:19:21.880 And like causes you to go over the edge.

00:19:25.480 Yeah.

00:19:25.960 I think that the truth of the matter is if it is a demonic thing, at any given moment, you know, we're in spiritual soup.

00:19:34.520 Right?

00:19:34.720 If there's so much going on around us that we can't see and there are things that don't have rights and don't have access to us while other things might for something that we did or something that was, you know, generationally passed on to us, what have you.

00:19:47.620 Not everything that inhabits a spiritual realm has access to you.

00:19:53.760 And some people have less that is given over to the demonic realm than others do.

00:20:01.540 So yeah, I could see you just passing it.

00:20:02.520 I thought the question, like if believers are going and staying there, maybe they're not being targeted.

00:20:08.180 Like maybe it's non-believers that are being targeted.

00:20:11.000 It's interesting.

00:20:11.620 I mean, I would say that it likely comes down to a number of things, right?

00:20:14.600 Like what sort of rights do these things have over you?

00:20:19.260 What sort of entities are you in agreement with?

00:20:21.880 What sorts of things are attached to you via some hitchhiker thing from generational iniquity?

00:20:27.520 Like there's a whole plethora of stuff.

00:20:29.080 And I think that everybody has a different, their bag looks a little bit different.

00:20:33.040 So do we know, do we know who was like the builder funder for this?

00:20:36.700 Oh, that's interesting.

00:20:37.440 Yeah.

00:20:38.060 So William Banks Hanner, Charles Dix and Robert Shops.

00:20:44.600 William, any of them?

00:20:47.220 They're like three hoteliers that all came together to build this.

00:20:51.060 Hmm.

00:20:52.640 Interesting.

00:20:53.240 I mean, yeah, prime location, right?

00:20:54.720 Los Angeles during that time.

00:20:57.120 Yeah.

00:20:57.340 And it was like initially built for business travelers and tourists.

00:21:00.440 It was designed by Loy Lester Smith, who also designed the City Club building.

00:21:07.580 Or like it's now known as the Primrose Design Building.

00:21:12.060 Interesting.

00:21:12.540 And it's supposedly absolutely fireproof.

00:21:16.780 Really?

00:21:17.480 As of 1924 when they built it.

00:21:20.060 So filled with asbestos.

00:21:21.460 Nice.

00:21:21.940 Right.

00:21:22.340 Yeah.

00:21:22.880 Yeah.

00:21:23.060 I wonder if that plays any role in anything.

00:21:24.820 But it was really nice.

00:21:25.820 Like they built this thing and it was supposed to be like this beautiful hotel.

00:21:29.340 It was 14 stories tall, which was a really tall hotel back then.

00:21:32.380 Like it had 700 rooms.

00:21:34.360 It's gorgeous.

00:21:36.800 Or it was gorgeous.

00:21:38.400 So here it is.

00:21:40.640 It saw a spike through the 1940s.

00:21:43.320 No, there was a decline after the 1940s because of Skid Row becoming increasingly dangerous.

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00:22:18.740 So when it was built, it was built in a good part of town.

00:22:21.840 And Skid Row really wasn't coming up to be like a bad part of town until like the 1950s.

00:22:27.140 You know what's weird?

00:22:29.000 The fact that it's specifically 14 stories tall, but hotels notoriously skipped the 13th floor.

00:22:37.200 But I don't think this hotel did.

00:22:39.580 They didn't then.

00:22:40.640 They started doing that because there was that hotel in New York.

00:22:44.460 Which one was it?

00:22:45.180 That people kept killing themselves on the 13th floor or dying on the 13th floor.

00:22:50.420 Like something weird was happening.

00:22:52.560 Huh.

00:22:53.580 I can't remember.

00:22:54.640 I should do an episode on that one too.

00:22:56.860 Because that's a weird.

00:22:57.600 I never understood that.

00:22:59.520 Is that just superstition?

00:23:00.840 Like why on earth was it a common place to do that?

00:23:02.720 No, because there was like an actual hotel in New York.

00:23:05.680 And I think it started in New York because so many people, it was superstition, but so

00:23:09.720 many people were killing themselves.

00:23:12.340 Huh.

00:23:12.920 And then so it birthed out of that?

00:23:14.980 Mm-hmm.

00:23:15.500 From what I understand, I don't know.

00:23:17.620 I could be completely wrong.

00:23:18.960 I've done no research into this.

00:23:21.400 I think I have it right here.

00:23:22.860 So let's see.

00:23:23.460 Well, this is, you know, it's common to skip labeling the 13th floor on a high rise building,

00:23:28.180 especially hotels and residential towers in the United States and other Western countries

00:23:31.920 due to widespread superstition.

00:23:34.160 What the hell kind of word is that?

00:23:36.860 Triscadecophobia.

00:23:38.080 Triscadecophobia.

00:23:38.740 The fear of the number 13.

00:23:40.520 That's wild.

00:23:41.460 To incorporate that into, I mean, there's no, let's be honest, there's no change in architecture.

00:23:47.000 Really all it is is just the lack of labeling, you know?

00:23:51.220 So, but, but I mean, just to incorporate that at all, it just seems like a thing that you

00:23:56.980 wouldn't do.

00:23:58.660 Yeah.

00:23:59.040 I think that it's like a security blanket.

00:24:02.580 Huh.

00:24:03.240 Yeah.

00:24:03.480 It probably affected sales.

00:24:05.000 It probably, you know.

00:24:05.640 Right.

00:24:05.920 Because nobody wants to stay on the 13th floor.

00:24:08.140 Right.

00:24:08.500 And nobody wants to buy a house where there was a murder kind of a deal.

00:24:11.360 It has like, it's, I think it has its roots back to like Judas being the 13th person at

00:24:17.780 the feast.

00:24:18.640 Like, so betrayal, death, things like this.

00:24:21.440 And that, it's kind of funny how that works its way into the zeitgeist and in people's

00:24:26.000 mind where you have architecture, architects not, not labeling the 13th floor.

00:24:31.840 It's kind of crazy.

00:24:32.240 Triscadecophobia.

00:24:32.560 The fear of 13.

00:24:34.420 Oh, that was a, that was a movie and everything.

00:24:36.040 Supposedly unlucky in nature of the number 13.

00:24:39.740 Tarot cards.

00:24:40.640 Constellation.

00:24:41.860 Also deal with this.

00:24:42.920 That's interesting.

00:24:43.600 The 13th constellation.

00:24:44.580 That's right.

00:24:44.800 We just learned about that.

00:24:46.000 And then it makes me wonder, is that why there's not 13 months?

00:24:48.780 Well, I actually heard that recently.

00:24:50.400 Like every month is supposed to be 28.

00:24:52.240 I can't, I won't do the math because I'm an idiot, but every month is supposed to be.

00:24:56.000 I did a whole episode on that.

00:24:56.560 Is that true?

00:24:57.480 So every month is supposed to be 28 days long.

00:25:00.000 And with that, you have a remainder that's enough to make a 13th month.

00:25:03.720 And then there is a 13th constellation with it, which is Ophugus.

00:25:07.400 Yeah.

00:25:07.580 But like our, um, our year wouldn't look the way it does, but we also wouldn't have

00:25:11.720 the leap year either.

00:25:12.860 But if you look at like different things in, uh, nature, I know we're getting off topic

00:25:17.060 with this, but it makes sense.

00:25:18.540 Um, like turtles, if you look at their back, their outer ring has 13 slots or no, their

00:25:24.520 outer ring, excuse me, has 28 slots and their inner section has 13.

00:25:28.520 Like it, when you pull up like the, like a picture of a turtle shell, uh, if you think

00:25:33.360 of like a woman's cycle, it's 28 days.

00:25:37.540 If you think of like, like a moon cycle, um, everything can line up together, but if you

00:25:43.900 look at like the Bible says that the, the sun and the moon were put in the sky as luminaries

00:25:48.700 to, to basically track time to keep time and also the stars and everything for, uh, for

00:25:54.360 signs as well.

00:25:55.160 But I, I, I think about that often, like we were just talking to, I don't know, I know

00:25:59.140 this is a little bit of a deviation, but we were talking to Ed Mabry yesterday and we were,

00:26:02.460 it was kind of like, you know, these things that have happened over the last year, because

00:26:06.080 as we sit here today, it's, it's, uh, December 30th.

00:26:08.940 And so, um, and one of them was that there was supposed to be this big rapture that happened,

00:26:14.080 you know, September 20th to the 24th, I think was the window, something to that effect.

00:26:19.440 And it just makes me wonder like how effective is any of our ability to predict something

00:26:27.180 based off of a time or a day when does that removal of a 13th month and, and a 13th constellation

00:26:38.260 and all these different things, like, does that really screw up our timekeeping in any

00:26:43.480 meaningful way?

00:26:44.300 I mean, it seems like it would.

00:26:45.520 You're saying we're in the little season.

00:26:46.600 I think we're in the little season, but I mean, it is, it's an interesting thought

00:26:50.960 because I, you know, is that true?

00:26:53.440 Do I, I don't want to Google that, but, um, you said you've done an episode on it.

00:26:57.500 If we were to make every month, 28 days, then we would have a remainder of enough to make

00:27:03.180 an additional 28 day month.

00:27:04.760 Is that the, the idea?

00:27:06.200 Not exactly.

00:27:06.840 So our, our year would look a little bit different, but also like, because we have a leap year

00:27:12.580 every four years, that would not be necessary anymore.

00:27:16.640 Yeah.

00:27:17.000 That seems retarded.

00:27:18.260 The leap year thing seems retarded.

00:27:19.720 It's been a while since I did this episode, so I don't remember all the different things

00:27:22.680 about it, but, um, like I went into like how the calendar was created and why it looks the

00:27:27.580 way it does now.

00:27:28.320 And then what, what the purpose of like removing the 13th month was, it doesn't make any sense,

00:27:35.220 but I guess somebody somewhere thought that this was what we should do.

00:27:40.000 I wonder what it, maybe I could find it.

00:27:41.500 What was the 13th month called?

00:27:42.860 I bet you had a banger of a name, dude.

00:27:44.420 It was Sol, S-O-L.

00:27:45.740 Sol, that's a good month.

00:27:47.560 It was supposed to be in between June and July.

00:27:51.000 Dang.

00:27:51.580 So it'd be January, February, March, April, May, June, Sol, July, August, September.

00:27:56.760 Because then Oct, uh, and actually, no, because the year wouldn't start in January.

00:28:02.360 The year was never supposed to start in January.

00:28:04.320 Exactly.

00:28:05.440 So then like October, you know, being the eighth month, November being the ninth month, December

00:28:11.060 being the 10th month is what was supposed to happen.

00:28:14.880 Makes sense.

00:28:15.960 Yeah.

00:28:16.220 That, this is where you get April fools from as well.

00:28:18.320 Exactly.

00:28:18.920 Yep.

00:28:19.760 So the year isn't supposed to start in January.

00:28:22.580 I mean, there's no way to know it.

00:28:23.920 I just, I can't help but wonder about all the things that would change of our understanding

00:28:28.260 of, of time and, and seasons ourselves even, right?

00:28:31.960 Uh, if we had stuck to that original 13 months kind of a, kind of a deal.

00:28:37.880 I don't know.

00:28:38.480 I wonder what that screwed up.

00:28:39.660 We're like 30, technically we're 33% behind if our year is supposed to start.

00:28:44.780 That's a weird number.

00:28:45.840 That's a weird number.

00:28:46.620 Are you supposed to start in October?

00:28:48.460 Uh, sorry, April 1st.

00:28:49.640 So that's four months.

00:28:50.680 Yeah.

00:28:50.820 That's, uh, I don't like it.

00:28:53.200 That's interesting.

00:28:53.960 It is.

00:28:54.260 It's 33.

00:28:54.980 Oh man.

00:28:55.820 All right.

00:28:56.200 All right.

00:28:56.460 That's strange.

00:28:57.840 Supposedly in some of the research I found, like that's where, when Jesus was supposed

00:29:01.580 to be born, cause some people argue it's supposed to be in the fall or in the spring, but the

00:29:05.460 spring makes more sense to me because that's like also like, like new birth.

00:29:09.200 And that's when like everything's blooming and that's when everything's supposed to be

00:29:13.480 coming back to life is like, you know, you went through all the dark of winter.

00:29:17.320 Now everything's coming to life.

00:29:18.800 And that's when life is born again is April or like March, April, May timeframe.

00:29:23.100 So that makes more sense that that's when Jesus would be born versus like December 25th.

00:29:29.160 Yeah.

00:29:29.300 Wasn't it Ed that was like, um, if Jesus was born in December 25th, you know, this little

00:29:34.460 baby in a manger would have like froze.

00:29:36.300 Yeah.

00:29:37.200 The shepherds wouldn't have their, their sheep out as well.

00:29:39.780 Yeah.

00:29:40.220 Right.

00:29:40.560 That's a whole thing.

00:29:41.220 That's interesting.

00:29:42.080 There's so many things.

00:29:42.760 It like, doesn't make any sense for it to be Jesus's birth.

00:29:45.460 And so, um, we celebrate it, but we just don't celebrate it like that.

00:29:49.240 I think that's a remarkable thing.

00:29:51.240 The idea that like Christ would return and go like, got my birthday wrong.

00:29:56.540 Wow.

00:29:56.860 You got all fucked up.

00:29:58.780 I mean, it's not even the month you think it is like, damn, that's interesting too.

00:30:04.160 When you think about, um, that verse that talks about, uh, the man of perdition seeking

00:30:08.560 to confuse times.

00:30:09.840 Yeah.

00:30:10.360 And what was it?

00:30:11.660 It was like times and something else.

00:30:12.960 That's, I mean, times would be pretty effectively confused right now.

00:30:16.740 It would be, you know, uh, man, you know, I'm sure somebody out there is screaming, it's

00:30:20.580 a little season, but shut up guys.

00:30:23.600 All right.

00:30:24.160 Uh, so let's get back to, uh, uh, this, this, this list.

00:30:27.860 So where does the story start for this particular, because we know there's like a bunch of suicides.

00:30:33.180 It's a really strange place.

00:30:34.720 I was looking it up.

00:30:35.540 There's, you know, obviously when you get that many suicides, you're going to have a

00:30:38.620 lot of paranormal investigators and huge supernatural activity off the charts.

00:30:43.460 This is a weird place, maybe very weird place.

00:30:46.260 One degree off the 33rd parallel.

00:30:49.260 Yeah.

00:30:49.920 Everything about it is really weird.

00:30:51.580 So then you have Elisa Lam's murder, which are murder.

00:30:55.640 Was it a murder?

00:30:57.200 I don't know.

00:30:57.960 Okay.

00:30:58.540 There's some question marks.

00:30:59.420 And I think this is why like so many women have heard about it because women are notoriously,

00:31:04.300 uh, attracted to true crime.

00:31:07.040 Obsessed with murder.

00:31:08.520 Obsessed with murder.

00:31:09.380 We can murder you if we need to.

00:31:13.080 Yeah, dude.

00:31:13.820 That's what I'm like.

00:31:14.380 I'm like, what are you doing?

00:31:15.320 I'm looking at my wife, my wife.

00:31:16.880 She's watching all this stuff.

00:31:18.020 I'm going, are you training?

00:31:19.220 Oh yeah.

00:31:19.860 Are you training?

00:31:20.640 Like by the way, Danny, I'll have, you know, that half of our audience is females.

00:31:24.360 That's crazy.

00:31:24.940 I don't know what's happening.

00:31:25.620 So they're going to love this episode.

00:31:26.960 I have more male listeners.

00:31:30.100 I mean, it's 60, 40.

00:31:31.800 It's not quite half, but it is.

00:31:33.120 It's, it's huge.

00:31:33.920 It's close.

00:31:34.400 Yeah.

00:31:34.860 I think I'm about 60, 42.

00:31:36.500 I like that stuff.

00:31:37.000 My wife likes, uh, my wife likes stuff about murder and also there's rape even better.

00:31:42.940 Oh my God.

00:31:43.600 With the, with the, with the rapé.

00:31:45.500 I can't do it.

00:31:46.520 With the rapé, dude.

00:31:47.760 I love to listen to true crime.

00:31:49.640 Actually.

00:31:50.060 So when I was thinking about starting a podcast, I was like, I should start a true crime,

00:31:53.080 crime podcast.

00:31:53.880 Like every middle, middle 20s, early 30s.

00:31:57.700 I mean, you do what you enjoy listening to, right?

00:31:59.040 Or woman.

00:32:00.180 Yeah.

00:32:00.620 But I was like, it's so crowded.

00:32:03.420 Like there's everybody starting a true crime podcast.

00:32:06.140 So I was like, what else do I like?

00:32:07.480 And I was like, well, I'm really interested in conspiracy theories.

00:32:09.900 Who would listen to me talk about conspiracy theories?

00:32:11.780 That seems crazy.

00:32:12.760 They are adjacent.

00:32:14.040 They are adjacent, right?

00:32:14.960 Cause it's like, there's a conspiracy here.

00:32:16.700 Someone plotted to do a thing, throw their wife down the stairs, whatever.

00:32:20.900 Uh, and so, yeah, I could see how the two would, I just can't, I watch it.

00:32:25.480 You know, what's funny about that.

00:32:26.760 Actually, people look at me all the time and they're like, dude, how do you, gay, how do

00:32:32.120 you, how do you look at the things you look at all the time?

00:32:35.800 Isn't it depressing?

00:32:36.680 And I go like, not at all.

00:32:38.200 But then when I watch women watch true crime, I'm like, how do you watch that shit all the

00:32:42.620 time?

00:32:42.900 Isn't it depressing?

00:32:43.960 So I guess I got to check myself.

00:32:45.360 Oh, I, I'm double dipping.

00:32:46.840 I'll get in the car, listen to true crime, murder all the way to and from dropping my kids

00:32:50.660 off at daycare.

00:32:51.300 And then I get here and I look up conspiracy theories and I'm like, the whole world's

00:32:54.840 burning.

00:32:55.300 And I get back in the car to listen to more true crime as I go get the kids from daycare.

00:32:59.440 That's crazy.

00:33:00.520 What a crazy life.

00:33:02.160 I mean, you know, I guess I get it.

00:33:04.100 She's going through it right now.

00:33:07.140 Call somebody.

00:33:07.880 I need help.

00:33:10.720 All right.

00:33:11.300 So what was her name again?

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00:33:42.880 Alisa Lam.

00:33:43.760 Alisa Lam.

00:33:44.340 Alisa, okay.

00:33:45.420 Yeah, so she died.

00:33:46.920 It's probably the most famous death at the Cecil Hotel.

00:33:50.040 And this is kind of what got everybody on this train.

00:33:53.020 Like, we need to look into this hotel.

00:33:54.540 And they started finding all these other deaths.

00:33:56.240 And that's when, like, really conspiracies got out of control.

00:33:59.380 So, we should start with the fact that her autopsy shows no signs of any physical or sexual assault at all.

00:34:08.400 Yep, this is what she looks like.

00:34:11.220 This was, so in 2013.

00:34:13.440 Looks like Nancy.

00:34:14.780 What's her name?

00:34:15.380 Lisa.

00:34:16.260 Alisa Lam.

00:34:17.560 Alisa Lam.

00:34:18.540 Okay.

00:34:18.920 Alisa, yep.

00:34:19.660 So, they just, they basically ruled her death an accidental drowning because, and they noted that she has bipolar disorder and that's probably what led to this.

00:34:29.840 So, her sister, when she was missing, her sister's like, she's not here.

00:34:35.920 We can't find her.

00:34:36.900 She has mental health issues.

00:34:38.200 So, they went into this already with that, like, thought in their head, like, oh, she's just psychotic.

00:34:44.660 Okay.

00:34:45.100 Which, yes, bipolar disorder, you have, like, manic episodes.

00:34:49.840 But, to me, maybe that's what was happening.

00:34:53.580 Maybe something else.

00:34:55.680 Well, on this show, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I've gotten to the point now where, through all of our research, not only do we suspect that a lot of mental illness, and I almost used to scoff at people that would say this, and now I'm like, oh, okay, I think this is actually the case, is some form of spiritual oppression.

00:35:13.620 And then, on the flip side of the coin, so much of the mental health apparatus in America is actually birthed out of, you know, our intelligence agency's own interests in human psychology and how to manipulate it.

00:35:28.000 And so, many of these original programs for therapists and psychologists were set up as a selection process to find individuals who would be a good fit for certain programs.

00:35:38.560 And when those programs yielded good fruit, they would start to free-range them.

00:35:44.980 Yeah.

00:35:45.280 They would implement them at scale.

00:35:47.080 And so, where they would keep you in a lab to give you disassociatives, they're now prescribing you a disassociative drug and keeping, you know, tabs on you that way.

00:35:58.340 You know, that way the government doesn't have to actually pay to keep you in some facility somewhere.

00:36:02.760 You can go out, be a wage slave, multitasking.

00:36:05.680 And also, you know, be on disassociatives and, you know, they keep, you know, sort of a distant, keep you on a long leash, essentially.

00:36:14.120 So, when I hear Elisa Lamb has a history of bipolar disorder, I already am going to a place where I go, her demons probably played really well with whatever spiritual oppression was happening in this hotel.

00:36:29.300 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:36:31.360 So, okay.

00:36:31.920 So, this is one of the most famous pictures, right?

00:36:33.600 So, you got this picture of her in an elevator.

00:36:35.740 And this is where a lot of people are like, what was she doing in the elevator?

00:36:39.200 Because that is also the final and only appearance of her in the hotel.

00:36:45.460 Like, we know she's there, but there's like this gap in time where we don't know where she is.

00:36:49.380 We don't know what's going on.

00:36:50.480 So, the elevator is where we're seeing most of her, like, footage.

00:36:54.160 And she's doing some really weird things.

00:36:56.360 She gets out of the elevator.

00:36:57.400 She gets back in the elevator.

00:36:58.280 She's pressing random buttons.

00:36:59.900 And people are like, what the heck is she doing in the elevator?

00:37:03.040 What we've kind of decided is that we think that she was probably playing the elevator game.

00:37:08.560 This game is so interesting.

00:37:12.340 So, it's a South Korean game where you're kind of messing with the supernatural.

00:37:18.780 So, you're trying to get to another dimension is kind of what they're saying.

00:37:25.280 You have to play the game alone.

00:37:26.700 You have to play it in a building that has 10 floors or more because you have to be able to go up to the 10th floor.

00:37:32.980 And most people play this game at night because there won't be people getting on and off the elevator.

00:37:38.220 Because if people get on and off the elevator, the game is over.

00:37:40.620 You're done.

00:37:41.180 You have to play it alone.

00:37:42.180 So, I have it pulled up here because I didn't have it in my notes.

00:37:46.340 You have to press the buttons in a certain order.

00:37:51.120 So, when you get on, when you call the elevator, you have to press the up button, not the down button.

00:37:56.440 And then you get on the elevator.

00:37:58.320 You press the fourth floor.

00:37:59.700 So, every single time, whatever floor you get to, you don't get off.

00:38:02.660 You're supposed to just stay on the elevator.

00:38:04.220 So, you press the fourth floor.

00:38:05.460 You get there.

00:38:05.980 And then you press the second floor.

00:38:07.200 And then you go to the sixth.

00:38:08.800 Then you go back to the second.

00:38:10.820 Then you go to the 10th floor.

00:38:12.400 And then you go to the fifth floor.

00:38:13.880 On the fifth floor, a woman may or may not get on the elevator with you.

00:38:19.540 So, in her recording, she's seen talking to somebody, but nobody's there.

00:38:23.960 Well, one of the rules, one of the strict rules about this elevator game, if the woman gets on the elevator, firstly, you can see her.

00:38:31.260 You should not acknowledge her.

00:38:32.380 You should not talk to her.

00:38:33.540 You should not look at her.

00:38:35.000 Leave her alone.

00:38:35.780 If she's there, she's not really there.

00:38:37.320 She's like a demon.

00:38:38.960 Demon.

00:38:39.460 I say it wrong every time.

00:38:40.460 Somebody yelled at me for that one time.

00:38:41.920 I say woman wrong.

00:38:43.040 You're good.

00:38:43.420 When he says women, plural, he says woman.

00:38:46.680 And it just vexes me.

00:38:50.020 Does demon get you?

00:38:52.060 No.

00:38:52.260 I heard it, and I was prepared to ignore it.

00:38:54.320 And I'm glad you addressed it.

00:38:55.360 I say it.

00:38:56.300 I really try to say it right.

00:38:58.000 But they say she's like this entity that's evil.

00:39:01.540 And then you keep going.

00:39:03.660 At any point, if you want to stop the game, you need to go to the first floor.

00:39:08.100 You need to go to the 10th floor.

00:39:08.920 You need to get off, and you're done.

00:39:12.900 But you should not talk to the woman that gets on the elevator, if she gets on, on the fifth floor.

00:39:20.380 Well, Elisa is seen talking to somebody on the elevator footage, but she's not, like, nobody's actually there.

00:39:29.120 So then that kind of lends to the, that's where I'm leaning more towards the elevator game theory is because I think that by her talking to that, then she got, I wouldn't say possessed, but, like, haunted.

00:39:43.700 Do we, do we have any idea?

00:39:44.700 She broke the rules of this game.

00:39:46.160 She broke the rules.

00:39:47.340 Do we have any idea of the, I mean, you can see her.

00:39:52.380 I'm looking at the video here.

00:39:54.360 She's selecting all the floors.

00:39:56.220 Yeah, she's going up and down, and she gets on and off the elevator, which is where I'm like, well, was she actually playing the elevator again?

00:40:01.880 Because you're not supposed to get off.

00:40:03.860 But if you play it right, when you go to the 10th floor, like, at some point you go to the 10th floor, if you get off, you're in a different dimension.

00:40:12.000 That's interesting.

00:40:13.380 And in your research, have you found any, um, any explanation for the sequence of, uh, of, of, of floors?

00:40:22.480 No.

00:40:22.740 Yeah, that's bizarre.

00:40:25.260 Because it makes you wonder, like, how do people, um, come up with this sort of a thing?

00:40:30.440 You know, like, uh, it sounds very much like a Bloody Mary, right?

00:40:33.800 Where it's like, how on earth do you come up with the sequence of events to do a Bloody Mary?

00:40:39.900 Uh, you know, it, it, it's just, it's bizarre to me.

00:40:42.720 Maybe we can pull this up.

00:40:44.000 Uh, did I share this topic?

00:40:45.560 Yeah, let's, let's pull this up.

00:40:46.660 I want to show a little bit of this footage here.

00:40:49.420 Um, because it is, it is bizarre.

00:40:51.040 You can look at her behavior and this isn't, you haven't seen this before, right, Top?

00:40:55.080 No.

00:40:55.580 You know what?

00:40:56.240 As I'm, as I'm looking at the, the picture, though, I have seen this picture.

00:41:00.280 So check this out.

00:41:01.440 And people will be like, well, that's just her mental illness playing.

00:41:05.220 Right.

00:41:05.680 So you could, you could dismiss this as a manic episode or something, but she gets on very

00:41:09.640 deliberately here.

00:41:11.120 She's pushing several floors.

00:41:12.900 But then, watch this.

00:41:14.460 I mean, she stands in the corner and she seems to be, watch.

00:41:19.380 But this is weird, too, because the elevator door doesn't close for a really long time.

00:41:24.020 That's very strange, too.

00:41:25.360 Yeah.

00:41:25.500 But look at her, look at her.

00:41:26.420 She's looking around, pokes her head out, looks back and forth, hiding on the, hiding in the

00:41:32.140 corner by the door.

00:41:34.320 Like, almost like she's hearing something out in the, in the hallway, because the way

00:41:37.940 that she looked out in the hallway and she keeps, like, peeking around, like, looking

00:41:40.940 to see if somebody's after her or if she's, like, playing hide and seek.

00:41:45.600 I mean, when you know that this is a woman who, who met her demise, uh, relatively shortly

00:41:51.100 after this video, this is the last time she's seen on video, correct?

00:41:55.160 Yeah.

00:41:55.640 Mm-hmm.

00:41:55.960 It makes it so much stranger.

00:41:58.500 I mean, look at, look at this.

00:41:59.400 It's bizarre.

00:42:00.240 She's stepping out.

00:42:01.060 She's stepping sideways forward in, in some sort of little sequence.

00:42:04.780 But also, how come the elevator door has not tried to close this entire time?

00:42:07.640 That is a great question.

00:42:09.480 Not even once has that elevator door attempted to close.

00:42:12.060 And elevator doors don't stay open this long.

00:42:14.340 No, they don't.

00:42:15.140 And she's not pressed the buttons, not since she's gotten on the elevator.

00:42:18.700 Yeah, now it's like-

00:42:19.420 The whole time we've been talking, that door is open.

00:42:21.560 That's way too long for the door to stay open.

00:42:23.220 Before, I was like, all right, she's putting her foot in, but now she's completely outside

00:42:26.260 of it.

00:42:26.680 Mm-hmm.

00:42:27.120 And the elevator's still open.

00:42:28.660 You could see part of her dress.

00:42:29.980 She's just standing there.

00:42:32.300 And then, and some people think, oh, well, she's schizophrenic, but she wasn't diagnosed

00:42:37.720 with schizophrenia.

00:42:38.420 She was diagnosed with bipolar.

00:42:39.480 And bipolar doesn't make you act.

00:42:41.380 I mean, you could get manic, but like, like this?

00:42:45.200 I mean, I don't know that much about bipolar.

00:42:47.000 Maybe, maybe it's true.

00:42:48.380 I don't know.

00:42:49.180 I mean, you know, like once again, in our research, and most of it is done with the,

00:42:54.320 of what would you call it?

00:42:55.440 The sort of the guidance of a clinical psychologist named Dr. Jerry Marzinski, you know, it's,

00:43:01.800 it seems as though it's, it's demonic oppression much more.

00:43:04.980 And given the fact that the medical industry as it stands has no handle on this, is not

00:43:11.840 treating people successfully by any means.

00:43:14.400 We have what's known as a mental health crisis.

00:43:16.920 So it's been like two minutes and she's gone nowhere.

00:43:19.240 She's gone nowhere.

00:43:20.360 She's standing outside of the elevator right now.

00:43:23.080 She's just dancing or something.

00:43:24.560 Yeah.

00:43:24.840 This is bizarre.

00:43:26.500 Very strange.

00:43:27.220 It's almost like she's waiting for somebody, you know?

00:43:31.920 Yeah.

00:43:32.360 The chat is saying, look at her hand movements.

00:43:34.140 I mean, she's doing a lot of bizarre hand gestures.

00:43:37.280 She came back in moments ago and, and press the same buttons again, but here we go.

00:43:41.440 It's like this elevator is still just wide open.

00:43:43.580 It's like beckoning her to come back in.

00:43:47.380 This is bizarre, man.

00:43:48.720 Okay.

00:43:49.280 Yeah.

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00:44:22.700 The running theory is that this is a Korean.

00:44:27.960 I mean, that's one of the theories.

00:44:30.280 There's so many different theories, right?

00:44:31.620 So that's.

00:44:32.080 Oh, by the way, the elevator door just closed.

00:44:34.320 It took three minutes.

00:44:35.320 Exactly three minutes.

00:44:36.280 It actually closed at the three minute mark.

00:44:37.700 Yeah.

00:44:38.260 So, okay.

00:44:38.960 But isn't there a way, this is me playing devil's advocate here.

00:44:42.180 Is there a way that you can press buttons on the elevator to keep the door open?

00:44:45.740 Probably.

00:44:46.520 So is that what she was doing?

00:44:48.780 But also then why would you get in and hide?

00:44:50.900 Like, was she playing hide and seek with somebody?

00:44:52.340 Like, she's hiding in one corner and then she's hiding in the other corner.

00:44:54.580 She's, like, jumping in.

00:44:55.320 She's jumping out.

00:44:55.940 She's looking all around.

00:44:56.940 Like, I.

00:44:59.600 There's so many, so many things it could be.

00:45:02.040 I mean, it's a.

00:45:02.880 It's a.

00:45:04.240 It's just an added layer on a very strange situation.

00:45:07.620 Once again, it's like when when this ends in someone's death.

00:45:11.600 Yeah.

00:45:11.800 And we'll get into the circumstances of that, super mysterious.

00:45:15.820 So it's a very unique death.

00:45:18.760 Everything, I think, deserves scrutinization.

00:45:21.320 You know, you kind of scratch your head at every little detail and it's like chock full

00:45:24.300 of little bizarre details.

00:45:26.200 This sort of reminds me of this, like a, like a rudimentary way of rando nodding.

00:45:32.720 Are you familiar with that?

00:45:33.840 Oh, that's interesting.

00:45:35.200 That's something that, like, that's what Nick Hinton got sort of known for.

00:45:38.680 And that's why he won't come on our show.

00:45:40.320 I mean, maybe.

00:45:42.980 So, yeah, the guy Nick, he's actually pretty fascinating.

00:45:45.760 He is.

00:45:46.720 But there was a phone app.

00:45:48.360 I believe it was like either a computer website or a phone app, maybe both.

00:45:52.400 And I don't know.

00:45:54.440 Like, it was like some sort of quantum computing.

00:45:56.580 You'd put it in and it would spit out location.

00:46:00.600 Random GPS coordinates.

00:46:01.920 Yeah.

00:46:02.300 Random GPS location coordinates.

00:46:04.160 And it was your choice whether you would go to them or not.

00:46:06.860 And when you go there, what you discover.

00:46:09.320 And then there was like a Reddit forum type chat of people doing this, going to these places,

00:46:13.840 and then just reporting what they find.

00:46:16.420 And sometimes nothing.

00:46:17.800 Sometimes these places were significant.

00:46:19.620 Sometimes like dead bodies.

00:46:20.820 Sometimes like treasure.

00:46:22.520 People were getting in a lot of trouble with it.

00:46:24.320 They would go and have mysterious communications with people that seemed to just say something

00:46:28.840 that was hyper relevant and could have only been relevant to that person.

00:46:31.980 Weird.

00:46:32.820 And yet a random GPS coordinator sent them there.

00:46:36.300 Or a...

00:46:36.960 Well, it was a quantum computer that was spitting out GPS coordinates for them to go to.

00:46:41.660 And then...

00:46:41.760 That's really interesting.

00:46:43.240 Yeah.

00:46:43.760 So, but this feels...

00:46:44.660 This feels like that in a way.

00:46:46.440 But like on a vertical level.

00:46:48.540 Yeah.

00:46:48.760 Like you're going up and down to certain spots to kind of like unlock this code of what will happen.

00:46:54.560 Yeah.

00:46:55.140 I don't...

00:46:55.860 I mean, it could be a number of things.

00:46:58.100 But like the whole thing is weird.

00:47:00.240 The way that she's acting is weird.

00:47:02.440 And then like there were people staying in her room.

00:47:05.580 They obviously expressed their concerns.

00:47:07.720 They're like she's acting weird.

00:47:09.100 Something's up with her.

00:47:10.620 But it makes you wonder could like if she does have bipolar or whatever other mental illness

00:47:16.080 that they've decided to brand her with, could she see something that maybe everybody else

00:47:21.320 couldn't see?

00:47:21.800 Young chick, by the way.

00:47:24.460 20...

00:47:24.900 Would have been 22, I think, right?

00:47:26.940 Yeah.

00:47:27.080 22 years old.

00:47:28.080 So she was born in 91.

00:47:29.300 This is not a...

00:47:30.960 You know, this is a real young millennial.

00:47:34.240 This is a millennial.

00:47:35.420 Fascinating.

00:47:36.320 So, of course, like she went missing.

00:47:37.860 That's the last video that we have of her.

00:47:39.640 Is like this weird erratic elevator video.

00:47:42.640 So they call the police.

00:47:43.740 The police do an extensive search of this place.

00:47:46.740 They search the roof.

00:47:47.940 This is very important.

00:47:48.880 They have search dogs.

00:47:49.860 They search everywhere.

00:47:51.800 And they do not find her.

00:47:53.180 She's missing.

00:47:54.180 There's no...

00:47:54.660 Is there footage of her leaving the hotel?

00:47:56.800 No.

00:47:57.540 That's the only footage we have is what we just saw.

00:47:59.760 So what about footage from the lobby?

00:48:02.420 We don't have anything from that.

00:48:04.300 That's bizarre.

00:48:04.560 We don't have any evidence of her leaving.

00:48:07.120 But we also don't have any evidence, obviously, of her going to the roof or of her going back

00:48:10.920 to her room.

00:48:11.540 We just have that elevator video.

00:48:13.860 And I'm like...

00:48:14.420 She basically vanishes after that.

00:48:16.740 This is really weird.

00:48:17.620 I'm scrolling through...

00:48:18.840 Scrubbing through the rest of that video.

00:48:21.180 And it's...

00:48:22.280 There's a minute left after that.

00:48:24.460 Mm-hmm.

00:48:25.240 She doesn't get back on.

00:48:26.800 But the doors just open and close, open and close, open and close several times on their

00:48:30.780 own.

00:48:31.840 That is normal elevator behavior, I think.

00:48:34.700 Is that?

00:48:35.260 You can program an elevator to do that.

00:48:37.880 But actually, but on one floor, though, you think that it would like...

00:48:41.240 Oh, no, no.

00:48:42.080 Okay.

00:48:42.380 So I see what's...

00:48:43.160 That's interesting.

00:48:44.300 So it go...

00:48:45.080 Oh, it actually does then go through the cycle of all the buttons that she pressed.

00:48:50.200 I can see every time it opens, the door that it sees is a different color.

00:48:54.000 So it is on a different floor.

00:48:56.620 So what he sees is this.

00:48:59.240 She steps off.

00:49:00.280 And then there is no footage from the lobby of her leaving.

00:49:05.260 There's no footage anywhere.

00:49:07.080 Of her at all.

00:49:08.480 I mean, I got to imagine there's...

00:49:10.080 That's it.

00:49:11.860 Maybe there's no cameras in the hallways.

00:49:13.640 I guess that maybe that's...

00:49:14.580 Maybe that is normal.

00:49:16.160 I try...

00:49:16.640 So I try to, like, think...

00:49:18.500 Because 2013 doesn't seem like that long ago.

00:49:20.700 But were there as many cameras as there are now?

00:49:23.520 But you'd think in a hotel they would at least have cameras, like, in hallways and in

00:49:28.180 the lobby as well.

00:49:30.040 Right?

00:49:30.340 Especially on Skid Row.

00:49:31.720 Yeah.

00:49:32.100 Like, if people are starting to, like, I don't know, vandalize the place or they're

00:49:36.420 trying to break into different rooms.

00:49:37.620 They're trying to do different things.

00:49:38.440 Like, you're going to want to try to catch them.

00:49:40.120 Yeah.

00:49:40.300 We're talking about a famous hotel in Los Angeles.

00:49:43.480 Like, this is...

00:49:44.760 Kind of seems like a place.

00:49:45.780 I mean, I'm pretty sure a Best Western out here would have some hallway cameras.

00:49:51.420 But, I mean, nevertheless, I guess there isn't.

00:49:53.640 Or else we would have some sort of footage unless they kept that for some reason.

00:49:57.820 I'm sure after this, they probably decided to install some hallway cameras.

00:50:02.220 Well, they ruled her death accidental because of drowning.

00:50:06.340 So if it...

00:50:07.340 Like, if they do have the evidence, I don't know.

00:50:09.440 Like, the case is closed.

00:50:10.580 So I don't know why they wouldn't release that now.

00:50:12.780 You know what I'm saying?

00:50:13.120 So, I mean, all right.

00:50:15.600 Accidental because of drowning.

00:50:17.100 Because she somehow gains access to the roof.

00:50:21.300 I don't know what this situation looks like.

00:50:22.940 I don't know if there's a padlock.

00:50:25.960 I know I used to work in a...

00:50:27.380 No, they need a key.

00:50:28.380 A key card to get up there.

00:50:29.720 And if you, like, shimmy it and try to get in, then alarms go off.

00:50:32.700 So you can't just have access to the roof.

00:50:35.240 So she needed a key card to get up there.

00:50:37.520 Yeah.

00:50:38.400 Or she could...

00:50:39.940 I guess, from what I'm understanding, she could have broken in, but an alarm would have sounded.

00:50:45.180 So then the only thing...

00:50:46.380 Even being in the stairwell to get to the roof door would have sounded an alarm.

00:50:51.960 It's one of those doors where you push on it and the whole...

00:50:54.640 Everything sounds.

00:50:55.980 You see those when you're in staircases.

00:50:58.040 So there's an alternative option, which is she scaled the outside of the building.

00:51:02.080 She is a small Asian woman.

00:51:03.620 Maybe that's in her skill set.

00:51:05.440 I don't know.

00:51:06.040 But that's a hell of a...

00:51:08.100 This is a 14-story...

00:51:10.300 Does that constitute skyscraper?

00:51:13.480 14 stories?

00:51:14.320 I mean, it's a damn big building.

00:51:16.220 It's tall.

00:51:16.680 That's tall.

00:51:17.300 That's tall.

00:51:18.000 And we don't know, like, at what point was she on the outside of the building trying to get up.

00:51:23.300 But you have to remember that...

00:51:25.020 So she went missing, and they didn't find her for three weeks.

00:51:29.160 And they searched the roof.

00:51:31.860 And I think they secured the roof pretty...

00:51:34.020 I mean, pretty securely.

00:51:35.600 Because so many people had already jumped off the roof on different occasions.

00:51:40.300 People were jumping off the roof to commit suicide.

00:51:41.940 So they knew that the roof needed to be pretty secure.

00:51:46.260 That's an excellent point.

00:51:47.980 A building that three years into its inception, almost annually, there's a suicide for the next decade or so.

00:51:55.520 And then since then, it's only continued.

00:51:58.860 Would more than likely make an effort to keep people from going up to the roof.

00:52:03.720 I'm sure by 2013, they were aware.

00:52:06.640 These people tend to off themselves here.

00:52:09.100 And likely, they didn't have opening windows anymore.

00:52:12.460 By 2013.

00:52:13.320 Yeah.

00:52:13.920 I would agree that that would be something we would do.

00:52:15.640 But also, it's an older building.

00:52:16.600 So some older hotels do still have opening windows.

00:52:19.060 But they don't open all the way.

00:52:20.100 They secure them to where they only open a smidge.

00:52:22.900 So I don't know specifically about the Cecil Hotel if the windows were fully secured.

00:52:28.440 But by 2013, most hotels did not have opening windows.

00:52:33.300 Interesting.

00:52:34.080 Interesting.

00:52:35.100 Especially at 14 floors.

00:52:37.500 And a hotel with a history of suicide, you're not going to have windows that open.

00:52:44.380 You're not going to have access to the roof.

00:52:46.340 And like you said, in 2013, this is something that's pretty standard.

00:52:50.600 You're not going to go to a hotel that is 14 stories tall in 2014 and easily gain access to the roof or open the windows.

00:53:00.160 I mean, everything by that point was pretty well locked down to avoid that sort of thing.

00:53:05.000 But nonetheless, she ends up there.

00:53:06.940 Yeah, she ends up there.

00:53:07.960 Well, so they don't even realize that.

00:53:09.940 So for three weeks, they're like, we don't know where she went.

00:53:12.220 She's just vanished.

00:53:13.280 Missing.

00:53:13.680 Gone.

00:53:14.260 So they're looking for her.

00:53:15.740 At that point, I think that they have decided that maybe she's not at the hotel anymore because the investigation, the search of the hotel has kind of concluded.

00:53:23.460 After the first initial search, they were like, well, we did not find any trace of her here.

00:53:27.400 We had dogs.

00:53:28.160 We had everything.

00:53:28.880 There's no trace of her in this building or on top of the building because they looked.

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00:54:03.600 So then about three weeks later, you have different people that are staying in the hotel.

00:54:09.500 And they're complaining that their water pressure is really low.

00:54:11.600 The water smells weird.

00:54:13.060 It's starting to look weird.

00:54:14.060 They start complaining about the water.

00:54:15.680 So they're like, well, there's something weird.

00:54:20.560 There's something weird about the water, right?

00:54:22.360 So maintenance guy goes up to the roof because they have like four like giant thousand gallon water tanks up there.

00:54:29.900 So he goes up there.

00:54:30.560 There's something wrong with one of the water tanks.

00:54:31.980 He starts opening them up.

00:54:33.060 Well, you need a ladder, firstly, to get into the water tanks.

00:54:37.880 Like you can't just climb up there.

00:54:40.580 You have to have a ladder.

00:54:41.740 Also, the lids are really heavy.

00:54:44.740 So for this little Asian girl to be able to open the lid is very unlikely.

00:54:50.480 And then the way like she was so she was found in one of the water tanks.

00:54:54.700 There was no she was completely naked.

00:54:56.820 None of her clothes were around.

00:54:58.120 It was not.

00:54:58.940 Yeah, completely naked.

00:55:00.560 There was not a ladder for her to climb in.

00:55:02.700 The door for the water tank was closed.

00:55:06.220 And once you're in, how are you going to close that water tank door behind you?

00:55:11.420 Because it props open.

00:55:13.420 You got in there.

00:55:14.500 How are you going to close it?

00:55:16.280 So you have all these weird situations where you're like, and they had they had searched the roof and they hadn't found no sign of her.

00:55:24.300 They had no trace for three weeks.

00:55:26.340 And then all of a sudden they find her drinking her.

00:55:29.180 Yeah, they're drinking the water.

00:55:30.340 They're bathing in it.

00:55:31.940 Like how long had she been in there?

00:55:33.860 Because she had not decomposed for three weeks in that water tank.

00:55:38.120 Really?

00:55:38.880 The autopsy report does not show any physical or sexual assault and no noticeable markings on her body.

00:55:43.960 However, 0.02% ethanol, so alcohol, was in her bile.

00:55:49.160 Her liver contained an SNRI, which was used to treat her depression, and another drug that was used to treat bipolar and epilepsy.

00:55:59.140 But she was bipolar, so that makes sense that she would have regular amounts of her medications in her system.

00:56:08.780 There was significant decay.

00:56:12.520 So they couldn't get a lot of evidence about toxicology.

00:56:16.040 So she had been there for a little while, but.

00:56:19.820 This is bizarre.

00:56:21.160 The whole thing is really weird.

00:56:22.160 How did she get there?

00:56:22.940 Who put her there?

00:56:23.440 So then people thought it was a murder, but the ruling was an accidental drowning.

00:56:29.560 Accidental drowning.

00:56:30.440 Right, because she had no other marks on her, but there's no, like, evidence.

00:56:35.420 So then it makes you wonder, well, was it, like, one of the people that would have had access to the roof that put her in there?

00:56:43.660 How'd they kill her?

00:56:44.520 I guess she could have just drowned.

00:56:46.180 It makes you really wonder what's going on, you know, in her mind at that time, just given, like, the bizarre elevator footage and then whatever drives her.

00:56:59.580 I mean, let's say she does climb up the water tanks, you know, figures out a way up there, undoes the door, strips her clothes off.

00:57:10.260 Maybe they're thrown off the roof, in which case they get blown.

00:57:15.020 Somebody would have found them?

00:57:16.340 Well, I mean, let's just say, for being generous, they get blown several city blocks away and, you know, whatever, just traffic and shit happens.

00:57:24.200 Some of it gets blown over here, some of it gets blown over here.

00:57:26.080 We are 14 stories up.

00:57:29.080 And then climbs inside.

00:57:31.780 Is the lid on this thing?

00:57:33.780 The lid's on it.

00:57:34.740 When they find it, it's closed.

00:57:37.320 It's closed.

00:57:38.420 Yeah.

00:57:40.260 It doesn't strike me as something that's designed to be closed from the inside.

00:57:43.580 But, you know, whenever she makes the effort one way or another to close the door behind her, which, because I'm looking at pictures of it, it's not a, it doesn't look like a hinged hatch.

00:57:55.100 It looks like a square steel plate that she would pick up and put to the side.

00:58:00.760 And so, you know, she gets in this, treads water while she fishes her arms back outside the tank to grab this plate to put it back into its fixed position.

00:58:14.200 That's assuming that the water tank is full at the time of her death.

00:58:19.480 Yeah, it would need to be.

00:58:20.700 And I don't know, I don't know the answer to that question.

00:58:23.240 Because based off of, I can see pictures of guys standing next to it.

00:58:28.260 This thing is probably, you know, eight to nine feet tall.

00:58:32.780 It's eight by four.

00:58:34.400 Eight by four.

00:58:35.240 Okay, so there you go.

00:58:35.920 Eight to nine feet tall.

00:58:36.700 And, yeah, I mean, if it's not filled to the brim, either way to, it's a bizarre thing to have to do and a difficult thing by the looks of it to tread water while naked, reach your arms outside, and then be able to pull this thing over.

00:58:58.860 It's a 20-pound lid.

00:59:00.800 So that's what I'm saying.

00:59:01.600 It's a steel plate.

00:59:03.040 It doesn't look like it's on a hinge to me.

00:59:05.000 It looks like it's literally just a cover you would remove.

00:59:09.560 And in order to fix it back in its place, you'd have to lift it up and put it over a smaller...

00:59:15.200 Yeah, it's not hinged.

00:59:16.020 So I was just looking at my notes again.

00:59:17.240 It's not hinged.

00:59:17.260 It's not.

00:59:17.760 So the hotel staff says the 20-pound lid was difficult to move and required lifting from the top of the tank.

00:59:24.460 The tank stood on a platform, and accessing the tank lid required climbing a steep, narrow ladder.

00:59:30.140 Once on top of the tank, Elisa would have had to stand on the opposite side of the lid straight up and then climb over it to get inside.

00:59:39.520 And also, she had to remove her clothes at some point.

00:59:42.780 And then...

00:59:43.100 So she's doing all this.

00:59:43.840 Close the lid.

00:59:45.520 And, dude, this is in...

00:59:47.640 So that didn't happen.

00:59:48.840 No way.

00:59:49.340 This is in February.

00:59:50.040 She did not kill herself.

00:59:51.320 There's no way she killed herself.

00:59:52.940 Oh, wait.

00:59:53.200 This is Los Angeles, so Los Angeles doesn't have winter like that, right?

00:59:56.360 I think it gets colder.

00:59:56.840 I mean, it's February, so it's not great.

00:59:59.840 I did Sears school in February in San Diego.

01:00:05.000 It got cold at night, but it was like 70s during the day.

01:00:07.800 Everybody in the pictures, they're wearing jackets.

01:00:11.780 Jackets and jeans.

01:00:12.920 Nobody's wearing short sleeve anything.

01:00:14.380 Even in the photo in the thing, she's wearing a sweater.

01:00:17.260 I can see images of the rooftop here, and everybody is wearing winter clothes.

01:00:23.580 So it gets cold enough.

01:00:25.120 Yeah.

01:00:25.840 So to be completely nude, and what looks to me like a 110-pound Asian woman, and maybe that's

01:00:34.880 even being a little bit...

01:00:35.840 That's probably generous, I would say.

01:00:37.680 That's probably being generous, yeah.

01:00:39.020 I would say like 90, 100 pounds tops.

01:00:42.680 Like, she looks little.

01:00:44.260 I mean, to do this, you would have to be pretty mission-driven on...

01:00:49.020 I mean, you'd be fighting.

01:00:51.280 You would be fighting.

01:00:52.340 I don't even imagine you would get away with this without the scrapes on your arms and shit

01:00:57.000 showing that you were treading water while fishing your arms outside of a steel contraption

01:01:00.920 that is not designed to be gentle on the skin.

01:01:05.320 I mean, we're just talking, you know, sheet metal here.

01:01:08.660 Well, there's like...

01:01:09.480 So they say there's no signs at all on her body.

01:01:12.320 So you don't even have the signs of her, like, climbing up the ladder, like, walking on the

01:01:15.120 platform.

01:01:15.620 Like, you'd think there'd be some sort of signs on her feet, because if she's naked, then

01:01:19.040 like, there's got to be some sign of something.

01:01:23.040 But they have nothing.

01:01:24.560 It would also strike me that these water towers don't get a ton of play as far as, like,

01:01:30.380 opening them.

01:01:31.080 I mean, they're pipe-fed.

01:01:33.220 And so there would be some sediment on the lid that would have to be disturbed, probably

01:01:40.460 since the thing was put up there outside of, like, regular maintenance if somebody went

01:01:44.480 in there.

01:01:45.340 But, you know, you would see handprints all over this shit.

01:01:48.240 Right.

01:01:48.460 My father-in-law worked on, like, boilers and, like, water towers and things like this.

01:01:52.060 And so he...

01:01:54.060 And this is not in L.A.

01:01:56.420 He was in Seattle.

01:01:57.180 But he would check them once a month.

01:02:00.180 So he would know in a month time frame if something was wrong with it.

01:02:04.640 And maintenance is supposed to be checking on this.

01:02:07.000 You have the maintenance of the actual building, because he's, like, a third-party contractor.

01:02:10.880 But the maintenance of the building would ideally be checking on it, making sure everything's

01:02:14.940 good.

01:02:15.200 So people would, at least once a month, be checking on these water tanks.

01:02:21.620 And she was in there for what seemed to be three weeks.

01:02:25.080 Well, she was missing for three weeks.

01:02:26.900 We don't know if she was in there for three weeks.

01:02:28.620 Right.

01:02:28.840 You're saying the decomposition doesn't match that time frame.

01:02:32.140 So she had significant decay.

01:02:34.180 I don't know if it's three weeks' worth.

01:02:36.060 But we also have to remember that right as soon as she went missing, they found no trace

01:02:40.520 of her.

01:02:40.840 They had dogs at the hotel following her scent.

01:02:45.120 And there was no trace of her.

01:02:46.340 Yeah, that's a hard one.

01:02:49.640 Where did she go?

01:02:52.240 I mean, these dogs.

01:02:53.940 And she had to have been in the water tower for some amount of time, because if people are

01:02:58.560 starting to complain that the water pressure's low and that, you know, like, it's starting

01:03:02.680 to smell bad, like, she had to be in the tank for a decent amount of time.

01:03:06.500 Was it three weeks?

01:03:07.980 I mean, decomp can happen pretty quick, especially in water.

01:03:11.040 Probably not.

01:03:11.720 Well, just for reference, you know, police tracking dogs are considered highly reliable

01:03:19.980 with success rates ranging from 75 to 97 percent.

01:03:25.220 If she was on that roof, they would have found her scent, because there's not a lot of scents

01:03:28.740 on the roof.

01:03:30.040 Right.

01:03:30.800 That's what I'm saying.

01:03:31.720 Like, they can find scents in the woods.

01:03:33.560 They would find it on that roof.

01:03:34.720 If she was there, they would have found her.

01:03:37.040 I mean, I get it.

01:03:37.960 You know, the dogs are probably smelling a lot of things, fentanyl and whatever.

01:03:42.080 But so we're talking about we're talking about like a possible time lapse.

01:03:49.140 Somebody in the chat said that the association between water and portals is always worth considering.

01:03:57.480 Yeah, it's a really good point.

01:03:59.060 That's typically when you get a some portal story is around a body of water, typically running

01:04:04.180 water.

01:04:04.880 But I don't know if that is when you're dealing with something that is hard to prove in

01:04:08.500 general.

01:04:09.240 I don't know if that's a constant is that the water has to be running.

01:04:13.140 But I mean, man, it's it's just hard to imagine how she gets in there.

01:04:19.380 I mean, like you said, eight feet tall, eight feet tall.

01:04:23.640 You're you're treading water in a four by eight and a half foot body of water.

01:04:29.180 It's ice cold because it's it's it's covered up.

01:04:33.080 It's February.

01:04:34.040 You're nude.

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01:05:08.120 Which, you know, probably maybe could have its advantages.

01:05:10.620 I'm sure water gets there's a lot of drag on on clothing and water.

01:05:14.060 But and you're you're treading water while you're.

01:05:17.820 Well, no, I don't think she she wouldn't be treading water.

01:05:20.080 There's no marks on her skin.

01:05:21.500 So if this is like a metal object and you're trying to get out, she would have been banged up.

01:05:26.000 So she's putting this thing already dead.

01:05:29.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:05:29.760 I'm I'm I'm I'm that makes more sense.

01:05:32.560 Like somebody else put her there.

01:05:33.920 But there's no marks to that.

01:05:35.220 There's no there's no evidence, no physical or sexual evidence that she was murdered.

01:05:42.000 Wouldn't you struggle?

01:05:43.440 Right.

01:05:43.760 Wouldn't you struggle trying to swim?

01:05:46.280 Well, if you put yourself in there because you were because, you know, I'm I'm operating.

01:05:50.080 Under the only thing that makes sense is this.

01:05:52.960 But if you put yourself in there, like the moment you begin to to sink, the moment you begin to drown, I feel like even if you are suicidal, there is some struggle that like initially kicks in.

01:06:02.420 Yeah, it's probably go.

01:06:03.460 Oh, yeah.

01:06:04.000 Yeah.

01:06:04.900 Well, how many people actually I'm curious about this.

01:06:06.960 How many people die by drowning, like commit suicide by drowning?

01:06:12.660 That's a great question.

01:06:14.860 I would say that I'm going to get put on a list for looking this up.

01:06:17.960 Oh, I look things like this up all the time.

01:06:21.300 So, I mean, yeah, hanging would be probably pretty high up there.

01:06:26.580 Self-inflicted gunshot is another one.

01:06:30.820 Drowning.

01:06:31.720 That sounds like a drowning is up there with self-immolation, which I know has become popular in recent years, but not not the preferred modality.

01:06:41.760 I would imagine.

01:06:43.020 When you look it up, they're like, help is available.

01:06:45.760 Yeah.

01:06:47.440 We're getting put on a bunch of lists.

01:06:51.100 Not 8.9% of all suicides, but it is the fourth leading cause of suicide.

01:06:56.980 Surprisingly high.

01:06:58.440 Yeah.

01:06:59.360 Honestly, I would not have thought that.

01:07:01.180 I think they're probably conflating some of the numbers where like you're jumping off a bridge.

01:07:05.920 Right.

01:07:06.220 Suicidal drowning in South Florida, Croatia.

01:07:10.860 That's like suicide by holding your breath.

01:07:13.460 Like, it's crazy.

01:07:14.100 Honestly, it's one of the, that and, and like I said, being set on fire are two of the real big scary ones.

01:07:19.880 Actually, so I had this conversation recently with a medical professional and they were telling me that suicide by, or like drowning is not that bad.

01:07:28.960 Like, like it's, like it's bad.

01:07:33.260 Like initially, like, cause you, you take like, like a couple big, like, uh, it's uncomfortable.

01:07:38.660 That your body kind of like shuts itself down so you don't feel the rest of it.

01:07:45.740 Whereas like, so like death by fire would suck because until, until your nerves are burnt, but like initially you're feeling all that.

01:07:53.320 But yeah.

01:07:53.960 Drowning, it's only a little bit where you're like trying to breathe and then your body's like, oh, we can't breathe.

01:07:58.360 So we're just going to just stop feeling all of that.

01:08:01.560 That's interesting.

01:08:02.800 Uh, good to know, I guess.

01:08:04.200 Drowning isn't that bad.

01:08:04.860 Um, man, that's interesting.

01:08:09.540 I mean, still, like I said, my, my whole thing is like, uh, to be such a tiny chick, you know, maybe what you're doing is you're holding on to the, the, but then you have one arm to try to get this 20 pound plate, which like, but what are you holding on to?

01:08:25.900 Dumbbell is one thing.

01:08:26.980 The, the, the edge of the square orifice that you dropped in through.

01:08:30.980 You don't think that the thing, like you think it just sits on top.

01:08:34.080 It doesn't like sit in.

01:08:36.060 No, I think from what it looks like to me is there is a raised edge, uh, that is in the same shape as the lid.

01:08:43.080 And the lid is a slightly larger diameter than that raised edge.

01:08:46.500 So you do need to lower it on to.

01:08:49.260 So you're holding on just your fingernails.

01:08:51.280 Or like you could hold on to it, but I mean, I don't know if, you know, if you have a 20 pound dumbbell, you know, for, for a small Asian woman, that's probably pretty heavy.

01:09:00.800 Once you spread that thing out into a plate and, and you're trying to what, grab it, grab the edges of it with your hand.

01:09:08.140 And you've got to try to get your palm underneath it to lift it effectively and return it back.

01:09:12.720 You also have no scratches anywhere on your hand.

01:09:14.900 It doesn't, like it just doesn't make sense.

01:09:16.940 That doesn't happen.

01:09:18.000 I mean, look, you, you have to leave some and say like, yeah, she could have.

01:09:21.240 It didn't happen that way.

01:09:22.060 There's no way it happened that way.

01:09:24.280 I mean, what we're talking about.

01:09:25.740 There's no marks on this body at all.

01:09:27.860 Yeah.

01:09:28.320 Yeah.

01:09:28.780 And Asian people are notorious for soft skin.

01:09:30.920 We're talking about somebody that died somewhere else and then was placed there or she, for whatever reason there and just committed suicide.

01:09:40.900 So she wasn't going to fight because she wanted to die.

01:09:43.280 Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:09:44.440 Yeah.

01:09:45.260 I don't see how you don't fight.

01:09:47.120 I'd like that.

01:09:47.700 That is a crazy thing.

01:09:48.660 Like, I mean, I've never been that suicidal to be like, like, I'm ready to end everything.

01:09:52.620 So maybe that's where like the disconnect is, you know, like maybe.

01:10:01.580 I'm going back and I'm looking at this video of her in the elevator.

01:10:05.240 And when she's like peeking out, there are there looks to be like an artifact of a video that like kind of cast a shadow or something on the door adjacent to the elevator door.

01:10:20.140 And I don't know if it's just an artifact or like with my mind, I'm like, is it a spooky?

01:10:24.160 I think it's coming up.

01:10:25.300 You'll kind of like see some shadows moving on it.

01:10:28.100 But like, you know, it's it's shitty, grainy elevator footage and there's no way to really know what you're looking at.

01:10:37.440 But that directly across the door with a horizontal gray bar on it does appear to be a door.

01:10:42.820 Because later on in the video, you will see that when it goes to another floor.

01:10:47.900 Like, what is that?

01:10:49.140 She's she's.

01:10:50.520 You know what?

01:10:51.220 It reminds me of hippie hop.

01:10:52.980 Right.

01:10:53.420 Like, but when when I'm like hiding around a corner and I'm going to scare my toddler, you know, like I'll jump out.

01:10:59.360 Like, that's what that looks like.

01:11:01.320 Like, it doesn't like and if you're scared, that's not what you're doing.

01:11:05.740 It does seem like playful.

01:11:07.520 Yeah.

01:11:07.740 It seems more playful than it does like fear.

01:11:12.460 I don't know.

01:11:12.880 It's weird.

01:11:14.000 So there's this theory.

01:11:15.640 You're talking about like bipolar disorder as well.

01:11:17.800 So this is somebody that could just, I don't know, presumably go from one extreme to the other.

01:11:24.260 Yeah.

01:11:24.820 If we're being fair.

01:11:25.740 Yeah.

01:11:26.000 I mean, she's like I'm watching her now.

01:11:28.040 She's coming back.

01:11:28.780 She's got her hands above her head.

01:11:30.260 She it's it's a fine line between distress and almost playfulness.

01:11:37.640 Right.

01:11:38.400 And like it depends on your lens.

01:11:41.480 Right.

01:11:41.760 Like how you're going to because at first she gets in and like she kind of stands in the corner, like almost like she's a little scared.

01:11:46.800 And then she hides in the other corner.

01:11:47.980 And then the way she like looks out, you're like, OK, that's fear.

01:11:50.560 But then she jumps out and then she stands just like outside the elevator.

01:11:54.040 You're like, why are you doing the fucking hokey pokey?

01:11:56.860 And then she looks like she's petting the air.

01:12:00.080 I think Robert brings up a very good point here.

01:12:02.840 I don't really understand Chinese people.

01:12:05.100 That's true.

01:12:05.700 She is Korean.

01:12:06.640 And I don't know much about a bit of an enigma, really, Korean people.

01:12:11.760 So that could we could chalk this whole thing up to just being Korean, I suppose.

01:12:16.800 And I guess like like socially, they do play games that are not things that we would normally play.

01:12:21.960 And they play differently because I was friends with a Korean for a little while and she would do things.

01:12:26.040 And I was like, that was weird.

01:12:26.720 But that's totally like just what they do.

01:12:28.660 Well, now you're not friends with her anymore.

01:12:29.980 And that's probably a good decision.

01:12:31.880 Distance.

01:12:33.240 People move and like, yeah, I tend to move away from people that play strange games.

01:12:38.980 But I mean, you know, once again, it's just like this whole thing.

01:12:43.760 If it was just the water tower alone in a vacuum, we found a body in a water tower.

01:12:50.040 You would still have a ton of quick questions.

01:12:51.740 How did this little chick get in here?

01:12:53.600 She's naked.

01:12:54.280 Yada, yada.

01:12:54.680 The whole thing we just laid out.

01:12:55.640 But this leading up to it, you know, this bizarre elevator scene and then layer on top of it, the, the, you know, crazy history of the Cecil Hotel in general.

01:13:08.120 It's like this is just there's too much because I see like some people will just say, oh, it's just a suicide.

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01:13:46.340 Well, so there's, there's a theory that it's a copycat murder.

01:13:50.260 Oh, interesting.

01:13:52.160 So there was this movie in 20 or 2005.

01:13:55.480 It's called Dark Water.

01:13:57.040 It was like a horror mystery.

01:13:59.200 Yeah.

01:14:00.240 Have you seen the movie?

01:14:01.500 I think I did a long time ago.

01:14:03.140 Refresh my mind.

01:14:03.900 What was that about?

01:14:04.620 So basically like it's almost a parallel of Elisa Lam's case because there was a body discovered in the rooftop.

01:14:13.300 Water tank.

01:14:15.300 Um, and the film's plot and real life tragedy involve a woman in an apartment building experiencing like strange water problems and this like dark water effect or this element in the plumbing.

01:14:27.460 Um, the movie really centers around like supernatural occurrences, like being haunted by a ghost.

01:14:33.800 This movie comes out before she dies?

01:14:35.960 Yeah.

01:14:36.260 This comes out in 2005 and she dies in 2013.

01:14:38.760 And the weird part is that the ghost or the target of the ghost.

01:14:44.380 So the ghost was haunting this, um, six-year-old girl whose name's Cecilia and she's the main character.

01:14:53.380 That's interesting.

01:14:54.560 Cecilia Cecil Hotel.

01:14:56.300 Well, and pull that back up.

01:14:58.660 Look at her.

01:14:59.600 So right here in the corner, you see the water tower.

01:15:02.380 Water tower.

01:15:02.580 I mean, the body was in the water tower, but like it's, it's so weird and haunting and like the daughter who is the, the target of the haunting is Cecilia and she's the main character.

01:15:16.960 Like.

01:15:18.600 Even Hitchcock could not have done it.

01:15:20.300 So, so that reminds me of, um, of the, uh, white noise film, but white noise was really wild because it was like, it came out.

01:15:29.900 And then a week later, the plot happened in real life, which is, you know, we've talked about on the show, but, um, the Ohio train derailment.

01:15:36.480 Um, now in the film, it takes place in the eighties, you know, um, and a lot of the, interestingly enough, much of the cast, as far as like extras and background came from, uh, uh, uh, East Palestine, Ohio, which is where it happened in real life.

01:15:54.160 But you have a train derailment and a toxic, you know, chemical spill.

01:15:58.380 And then there are additional layers to the film that are very bizarre, but we've talked about them ad nauseum on this show.

01:16:04.440 Um, but then it takes place in real life only a week after or so it's released on Netflix.

01:16:11.940 Um, and because of the complexity of that situation, you would never recuse it of being a copycat, right?

01:16:18.500 I mean, yeah, you couldn't say somebody derailed the train because of the Netflix film.

01:16:22.940 Uh, you just are forced to look at that and go, I don't know what that is.

01:16:27.420 I guess we'll just keep moving.

01:16:28.600 But this, this film comes out when 2005, 2005, 2005.

01:16:33.800 And then eight years later, this thing happens.

01:16:36.880 I mean, man, yeah, you could call it a copycat, but that still doesn't account for the bizarre

01:16:41.660 elevator behavior and, and just the lack.

01:16:44.640 I mean, does a copycat also have the expertise to leave no evidence behind whatsoever signs

01:16:50.480 of struggle, et cetera?

01:16:52.720 Maybe.

01:16:53.340 But also you would think that like, this does, you're going to copycat, right.

01:16:57.720 If you're going to copycat a movie, then you would do it kind of closer to when that movie

01:17:01.540 came out.

01:17:03.440 Right.

01:17:03.820 I mean, imagine just being such a big fan of like anything Jennifer Connelly did.

01:17:07.820 Yeah.

01:17:07.960 I'm such a big fan of this five-star movie that you would go and, you know, it's not a

01:17:12.380 big movie.

01:17:12.800 Right.

01:17:13.000 Like it was, but how many times in our life, like you're saying with white noise, like

01:17:17.920 that a movie happens and it's so similar to what's happening in real life.

01:17:22.580 And they're like, no, you're basing that off of like how many conspiracies where we're

01:17:25.700 like, no, this is like a conspiracy.

01:17:27.080 They're like, oh, that's just a movie.

01:17:28.800 Like they're literally telling us what's happening in real life.

01:17:31.540 Yeah.

01:17:31.900 With movies.

01:17:33.040 I wonder.

01:17:34.080 The Simpsons too, the predicting things like, no, the Simpsons are telling us what's

01:17:37.520 happening.

01:17:38.820 Yeah.

01:17:39.040 And the way I've begun looking at these things, cause it's kind of like your mind wants to

01:17:42.240 jump to some grand conspiracy about like somebody who's orchestrating these events is also letting

01:17:47.360 us know ahead of time.

01:17:48.760 But I think I'm more comfortable with the idea of like, actually, if you listen to these

01:17:53.640 people, they'll tell you where they came from.

01:17:55.700 These ideas come through some sort of spiritual inspiration.

01:18:00.920 And we talk about it all the time on this show, whether it's like the muses with Greek

01:18:07.000 culture, where our, you know, their great works of art come from, they come from the

01:18:11.520 muses.

01:18:12.480 Or if you're talking about one of our favorite examples is Santana, the guitarist Santana,

01:18:20.720 who says that his inspiration comes from Metatron.

01:18:24.500 Metatron, who is like, I believe a fallen angel.

01:18:26.780 Um, so the idea that this would be a supernatural event and that someone would have received

01:18:34.600 this as some sort of inspired download or something eight years beforehand and, and said,

01:18:40.040 yeah, this is going to be a great movie.

01:18:42.100 Um, that seems kind of more likely than maybe the Jews doing the orchestra.

01:18:47.620 I don't think the Jews had anything to do with this as an Asian.

01:18:49.420 But it makes you think that, uh, like, like, so these, these, uh, pre-programmed events

01:18:56.080 or, uh, revelation of the method sort of thing.

01:18:58.260 Yeah.

01:18:58.700 I always look at it like, oh, they have to tell you, but maybe it's more of like, uh, I

01:19:04.180 don't know.

01:19:04.460 Like, you know how the Maserat, the story is written in the stars already.

01:19:07.820 So there's like a before beginning present and there's an end to this and these entities

01:19:13.280 have already, like they'll, they simultaneously exist and they torment you, but they've already

01:19:18.540 been judged and cast in the lake of fire and it's, it's like, it's done for them, but it's

01:19:22.980 being played out.

01:19:24.000 I just wonder if, I don't know, let's say the director of this movie or the writer of

01:19:28.920 this movie, you know, you receive a download because this is not uncommon.

01:19:31.960 You receive a download of this story and you're like, like kind of how we're talking about

01:19:34.840 it now.

01:19:35.120 Like, this is fantastic.

01:19:35.980 What the hell happened here?

01:19:37.660 And you just get this, that this thing happened, has happened, will happen.

01:19:42.040 I don't know, but I'm going to write about it now.

01:19:44.500 So it's like, you're shown this.

01:19:47.500 Yeah.

01:19:47.580 And then they mimic it.

01:19:48.840 And then later on we go, oh, they copied that.

01:19:51.140 But it's like, well, what happened?

01:19:52.840 What actually happened first?

01:19:54.280 And like, how are we even perceiving time?

01:19:56.660 This is, this is the idea of the calendar as well.

01:19:58.980 Like we're so mixed up in it.

01:20:00.600 We're like, where exactly are we in the timeline?

01:20:04.100 Yeah.

01:20:04.980 And how is this all playing out?

01:20:07.220 Well, to that point, like I've been deep diving into remote viewing a little bit lately.

01:20:11.220 And so like, it makes me wonder, and this, this is far fetched, but like could, cause

01:20:17.300 when you're remote viewing, or you're doing an out-of-body experience, time and space

01:20:20.860 doesn't really matter.

01:20:21.580 Like you can go anywhere, you can be anywhere at any time.

01:20:24.200 And so like, are they seeing things and they're like, oh, let's go back and let's make a movie

01:20:28.680 because they're saying that the CIA runs Hollywood, right?

01:20:31.560 So the CIA runs Hollywood.

01:20:32.860 They're like, oh, let's make a movie about this event that's going to happen.

01:20:36.400 And then like, maybe we can cover it up better or whatever.

01:20:39.900 I don't know.

01:20:40.260 I mean, I don't know if there's like a big plan, but this will make a really good movie

01:20:44.360 or this will make a really good episode.

01:20:45.860 This will make a really good whatever.

01:20:48.140 And then they turned it into, or a civilian remote viewer.

01:20:52.680 And they're like, this is going to be a great movie.

01:20:54.040 And then they write it.

01:20:55.440 Yeah.

01:20:55.580 I think there could definitely be something to that.

01:20:57.240 I mean, somebody said the other day, like how many times is somebody's like disembodied

01:21:03.220 voice or whatever, actually some fed just fucking like blasting some shit into their

01:21:07.640 head from a van outside.

01:21:08.780 Like I think that's on the table too.

01:21:10.620 But when you think about the processes that ancient people have used to channel, right?

01:21:17.740 You definitely have drawing, right?

01:21:20.220 So people will take this thing and they'll close their eyes and they'll start moving this

01:21:23.820 pen around.

01:21:24.380 And then when they're done, they'll look at what they, or the same thing with music, right?

01:21:29.080 You're manipulating frequency.

01:21:30.420 You're just kind of jamming and looking for something.

01:21:33.460 You're just looking for something.

01:21:34.820 You're opening yourself up and you're looking for something that sounds right.

01:21:37.800 And then all of a sudden it starts manifesting on your guitar or whatever it is.

01:21:41.500 And you plug in, you sync up to that frequency, which is where these things operate.

01:21:46.720 I think writing is very much the same way where like people, you experience this or maybe not

01:21:53.780 you, but we're all familiar with the stories of like, there's a difference between an individual

01:21:59.340 experiencing writer's block, but then what is the exact opposite of writer's block?

01:22:04.060 It is this flow state where it's just coming and you're just going.

01:22:08.360 And when you're done and you're left with, you're taken aback by this piece that you just

01:22:12.200 wrote or this story that you just wrote.

01:22:13.920 And I think that, um, certainly then that leaves, you know, not just music on the table, not

01:22:21.680 just pieces of art, you know, physical art drawing on the table, but, but movies too,

01:22:26.960 because people are writing all of this there.

01:22:29.700 It was a book before it was a movie.

01:22:31.200 It was like, you think, uh, this bitch, what's her name?

01:22:34.520 Um, JK Rowling, you know, they're like, oh, she just came up with it.

01:22:38.460 She was kind of like down in her luck and on her last dollar and she would write it on

01:22:42.360 the train.

01:22:42.940 Like she was channeling, dude.

01:22:44.480 She was scrying, you know, she admits to that now.

01:22:47.400 Yeah.

01:22:47.820 And what do we, we watched, uh, I watched weapons and we were talking to donut about the

01:22:53.760 film weapons, which is highly occultic.

01:22:56.960 And there's so much that they're revealing through it.

01:22:58.960 And then when you do a little Google search, when they were interviewing the director, he said

01:23:02.940 it came to him.

01:23:03.580 It all came to him in a download.

01:23:04.740 We talked to Tom Althouse, the original creator of the matrix.

01:23:08.400 And once we really got down to it, so he says, I don't know, dude is holding like these,

01:23:12.980 uh, manuscripts and everything and everything is stamped and approved and there's seals on

01:23:17.580 it.

01:23:17.740 And you know, this and that, I mean, it's a hell of a story to make up if it is a made

01:23:21.560 up story, but either way, midway through the episode, he's like, it came to me like

01:23:25.820 a download.

01:23:26.620 Well, how many people say that about their dreams?

01:23:28.880 He'll tell about their dreams all the time where they're like, I had this dream.

01:23:31.860 And then like, this all came to me in a dream.

01:23:34.740 Like I woke up and I like had to write, or I woke up and I had to create this thing

01:23:38.480 because I had this dream.

01:23:40.840 Yeah.

01:23:41.300 I've had stuff like that before.

01:23:44.980 I'm sorry.

01:23:46.160 Um, one day I woke up and I think, I don't know what this is because we talk about dreams

01:23:52.540 all the time on this show and now we have a drop for it every single time.

01:23:55.240 Um, but I woke up one day and I swear I'm like the worst because if the spiritual realm

01:24:00.620 is trying to nudge me to like do a thing, I'm like too lazy because I woke up and for

01:24:06.180 maybe some of the chat might remember this.

01:24:07.980 I just had this memory of, uh, Ugaritic texts, the Ugaritic texts, Ugaritic texts was like

01:24:13.920 in my head, like echoing in my head when I woke up and I was like, what is that?

01:24:19.800 And then I simply never made any effort to do anything about it.

01:24:22.640 Like it was like everything in me was compelling me to like look up, research, Ugaritic texts,

01:24:26.820 look into the U, something about, and I was like, nah, I simply can't do that.

01:24:30.500 And I left it alone.

01:24:31.220 But how many people listen to a thing like that, they pursue it and there's something

01:24:36.100 there and then it opens up this doorway to some, you know, massive body of work or whatever.

01:24:40.980 Um, Robert, what could have happened for you a lot, David?

01:24:45.680 Thank you, Robert.

01:24:46.600 I appreciate it.

01:24:47.380 Thank you.

01:24:48.520 What could have happened if you looked into it?

01:24:50.620 Who the hell knows?

01:24:51.440 I mean, sometimes I look it up and then I remember, I forget what the hell it said.

01:24:56.360 You know, I know that, I don't know if it's got something to do with like the Dead Sea Scrolls

01:24:59.680 or something like that, but you know, it's like, oh, there's something here.

01:25:03.680 I know among the Dead Sea Scrolls is where like that book of Enoch, I think was found or

01:25:07.900 something like maybe that, I don't know.

01:25:10.000 I don't know.

01:25:11.140 Spiritual realm is highly disappointed with me.

01:25:13.360 Um, but I, I think this guy out here with his podcast, he's got this thing where he's

01:25:19.620 saying all this shit and instead he's saying dumb things.

01:25:22.120 Um, so yeah, man, I think that all of that is, is on the table.

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01:25:55.900 Uh, so when I look at that film, Dark Water, I think somebody was just an unwitting participant

01:26:03.120 in something that was more spiritual than they probably, in fact, I think a lot of the times

01:26:08.700 when assholes are on stages accepting awards for this great work or that great work, like

01:26:14.300 that wasn't even your work.

01:26:15.500 You're the conduit.

01:26:16.640 You were the facilitator of a thing that was nudged spiritually.

01:26:20.340 I wonder how much, uh, this woman, the, the Asian lady played in like, like actual knowing

01:26:26.460 what was happening.

01:26:27.220 If, if something like that did happen to her, but what happens, what happens afterward?

01:26:32.500 So there's this investigation, nobody knows, and the hotel is shut down.

01:26:38.020 Yeah.

01:26:38.640 The hotel is shut down.

01:26:40.060 Let me find.

01:26:40.600 Yeah.

01:26:41.840 Cause this happened in 2013.

01:26:43.020 It looks like, uh, the hotel shut down like 2021.

01:26:47.980 Yeah.

01:26:48.420 So it was featured on ghost adventures in 2021 because it'd been like it, their claim was

01:26:54.580 that it had been haunted for decades.

01:26:57.300 Um, it opened for that crew, but like it had been closed.

01:27:02.480 I'm trying to find in my notes when it was closed.

01:27:06.760 Was it closed as a result of this?

01:27:10.260 Like, it was this the final straw or it was just like, no, I think this is a health violation.

01:27:14.340 So it had been open and closed prior because like they used it.

01:27:20.240 They, it closed down as a hotel, but then they used it for, um, like, uh, section eight

01:27:28.680 housing.

01:27:29.080 That's what I'm trying to think.

01:27:29.840 So I used it for like section eight housing for a while too.

01:27:34.020 So let's see.

01:27:34.940 I have it in here somewhere.

01:27:35.940 I just have to find it.

01:27:36.480 Adding to the layers of, of, I used to live in a section eight building.

01:27:40.240 Of misery, downtrodden behavior.

01:27:42.360 Yeah.

01:27:42.800 Well, actually I've lived in twice in section eight buildings and one of them, my, my, my

01:27:49.020 wife, we would see just this little shadow all the time, peeking around corners.

01:27:55.820 You know, every time we would turn, it felt like.

01:27:57.520 How could, how could it not be?

01:27:59.060 Like I grew up by the projects.

01:28:01.400 How could they not be haunted when you look at the behavior of the people that live there?

01:28:05.840 Yeah.

01:28:06.580 I mean, you're paying cheap rent.

01:28:08.840 Uh, your heat is free.

01:28:10.820 Your electric is free for the most part, but you're living with animals and you guys, like

01:28:15.880 you come out of your apartments, you kill each other, you shoot each other.

01:28:18.980 There's people dying in their left.

01:28:20.020 It's just, everybody's on drugs.

01:28:21.780 Everybody's miserable, depressed, angry.

01:28:24.960 Yeah.

01:28:25.460 Yeah.

01:28:25.820 You could hear the screaming, you know, between couples or families behind closed doors.

01:28:31.020 It's a haunted place, but we don't look at it like that.

01:28:33.960 We call it like ghetto.

01:28:35.520 And we'll like, kind of like make fun of it in a way.

01:28:38.120 But also like, like all the anger, that's like that, what it's like the, like the energy

01:28:44.180 field of it is like so low.

01:28:46.120 Yeah.

01:28:46.520 It's heavy.

01:28:47.400 Yeah.

01:28:48.480 It's heavy.

01:28:49.180 And that's, that's what these things feed off of.

01:28:51.160 They feed off of that kind of energy.

01:28:53.460 And so it's weird when it's around, like, I guess, whatever would be racist, but it's

01:28:58.880 around like black people.

01:28:59.800 Like for some reason, shadow people, I don't consider it haunted, right?

01:29:04.920 It's like, Oh, this is just ghetto.

01:29:07.880 Well, no, you know why?

01:29:08.900 Because they created the ghettos.

01:29:10.820 They put all the black people in one area and they created it to be a ghetto, to be what

01:29:14.900 it is.

01:29:15.260 And it's just like, and they gave them crack and they would kill each other.

01:29:18.520 Well, I mean, the, the story of the projects where I'm from is like, they were created in

01:29:23.140 the seventies and it was actually a pretty nice, diverse community of like all, all people.

01:29:28.400 My, my parents are Puerto Rican, but there was like Irish people, you know, obviously

01:29:31.820 like lower class on the, on the monetary scale.

01:29:35.280 And then when, then when like black people were started to be pushed into, into these places.

01:29:42.260 And again, it's like, is, I don't, I don't know.

01:29:44.400 It's like, it's fun to just be racist and be like, yeah, black people.

01:29:47.280 But it's like, no, no, no.

01:29:48.160 There's a condition here.

01:29:49.300 It's something happened here.

01:29:50.460 Well, there's a level of misery that's like stacked on itself.

01:29:53.480 And it's like, what happens when you, you put all the poor people in one spot, which

01:29:56.780 you're guaranteeing is you're putting all of the energy of despair and frustration and

01:30:01.720 anger and sad, all of that shit in one place.

01:30:04.200 It, yeah, but, but it wasn't like that.

01:30:06.820 Like if you talk to my parents who grew up there, when it was like a, and I think I know

01:30:12.460 what it is, if we're going to be serious, it's, it's not necessarily race.

01:30:16.620 Um, because when they grew up there, there's a lot of people, there's like a whole mixed

01:30:21.880 generation of people from every race that you can, besides Chinese, they weren't really

01:30:26.540 here yet.

01:30:27.660 And things were cool.

01:30:29.300 Like the, everyone, you know, they had their struggles.

01:30:31.220 They, if they could pay, they helped each other out.

01:30:34.240 And for the most part, it was cool.

01:30:36.060 When the black people came in, they came in with, uh, like this crack epidemic.

01:30:42.200 So you're, we're, we're adding like this race layer that everyone, it's very easy to

01:30:46.500 look at the race layer.

01:30:47.560 There's a principality associated with that sort of drug use.

01:30:50.460 A hundred percent for sure.

01:30:51.380 Because it doesn't make sense why such a beautiful play, like the, the projects there are

01:30:55.860 nice.

01:30:56.160 Like some of them, uh, in Coney Island, you can go and it has like panorama windows of

01:31:01.320 you can see the entire like Atlantic ocean.

01:31:04.840 And then to the left, you can see like the boardwalk and the, the Ferris wheel.

01:31:09.480 And it's beautiful.

01:31:10.260 Like on the top four, I'm like, this is a million dollar condo you should be paying for, but

01:31:14.980 it's section eight housing.

01:31:16.140 Yeah.

01:31:16.920 And it's like that probably because of, I mean, once the drugs are inserted, there's

01:31:20.180 just a downward spiral in whatever happened there.

01:31:23.220 And it's like, it, again, it's easy to exacerbate it, right?

01:31:25.860 They, they facilitate the, the crack epidemic by flooding the hood with cocaine.

01:31:30.720 And then what they do is they launched the war on drugs, which either, if you don't die

01:31:34.920 from the crack trade, you meeting all the violence associated with the, you know, and

01:31:39.460 the gangs and everything that are associated with selling it, uh, you end up in prison because

01:31:43.420 of the war on drugs, then you destabilize every household that's in that area.

01:31:48.020 So there's a, there's a principality associated with this, with this drug.

01:31:52.680 Um, and there's a heaviness from, you know, all the violence that's associated with selling

01:31:56.700 it and trading it and all this shit.

01:31:58.220 And then whatever is left, the men get thrown in prison.

01:32:02.120 So the household is destabilized.

01:32:04.060 The children are vulnerable.

01:32:05.640 If the men are the spiritual head of the household, they're gone.

01:32:09.960 Yeah, they're gone.

01:32:11.640 So the family is vulnerable to all of the spiritual, you know, comings and goings.

01:32:16.640 The question is like, how come they didn't flood the area, like this specific area that

01:32:22.740 we're talking about with drugs prior to the black people coming to that area?

01:32:26.600 Like it's the projects anyway, it's, it's low income anyway.

01:32:29.060 Oh yeah.

01:32:29.340 Because they made an effort to destroy the black community.

01:32:32.200 Right.

01:32:32.760 Like, yeah, it's a, it was a formula.

01:32:34.940 So if you didn't want to destroy a community, this is exactly how you do it.

01:32:38.600 Leprechaun in the hood.

01:32:39.400 That's a great ass dude.

01:32:40.980 You know what's kind of funny though?

01:32:42.260 Yeah.

01:32:42.660 Because this is what you think of like, yeah, like when you think of like hauntings in the

01:32:46.380 hood, it's, it's very weird.

01:32:47.840 You think of like hauntings with, hauntings are like white people shit.

01:32:51.420 Like the story we read, right?

01:32:53.660 You don't hear of black people being haunted because they don't want black people to realize

01:32:58.800 that there's a spiritual implication to what they're dealing with.

01:33:02.040 Yeah.

01:33:02.220 There's black ghosts or whatever it is.

01:33:04.100 Yeah.

01:33:04.500 They're haunted.

01:33:05.480 Our haunt.

01:33:06.080 Like when, when I go, I have to go to New York in two weeks.

01:33:08.560 Stop it.

01:33:09.940 Stop it with your jacket.

01:33:12.060 I got to go to New York in two weeks.

01:33:13.480 And I'm like, not looking forward to it because there is a spiritual heaviness of this.

01:33:16.520 Like when you go there, damn, it needs, that place needs an exorcism.

01:33:20.040 It's so crazy because you do that, right?

01:33:22.080 All of New York?

01:33:22.420 I've never been to New York.

01:33:23.420 Oh, most of it.

01:33:24.320 I think it needs a bomb.

01:33:25.320 The places I go.

01:33:26.700 A bomb.

01:33:27.340 The whole state.

01:33:27.600 But it is interesting to do that.

01:33:30.080 So you create heavy spiritual warfare against the black community and then you make it culturally

01:33:37.240 humorous to, to associate like ghosts and black people.

01:33:40.980 Like black people specifically don't deal with ghosts, which I don't think there's ever really

01:33:45.220 ghosts.

01:33:45.620 I think there are things masquerading as dead children and shit, whatever you're going to

01:33:49.980 most likely, uh, uh, you know, engage with.

01:33:53.280 Um, which is why they always present that way either as a murdered woman or, uh, or a lost

01:33:58.980 child spirit because they're luring you in to, to engage with them.

01:34:02.500 And then as soon as you do that, you know, it has some sort of foothold on your life.

01:34:05.720 But yeah, it's, that's a sequel.

01:34:09.320 I always thought the leprechaun was horrifying too.

01:34:11.780 It's a really, really horrifying.

01:34:12.920 I've never even seen that.

01:34:14.440 You never saw that?

01:34:15.640 Leprechaun in the hood?

01:34:16.660 Cause there was Leprechaun, which was like a scary movie.

01:34:19.660 And then there was like Leprechaun in the hood.

01:34:21.180 And that was a comedy.

01:34:22.280 And that was a comedy.

01:34:23.100 That's why I'm pulling it up.

01:34:24.540 Cause Leprechaun.

01:34:25.720 So I never watched the Leprechaun, the scary movie because I don't do scary movies.

01:34:30.620 I would pee myself when I watch scary movies.

01:34:33.060 This is old.

01:34:33.900 This is, yeah, like 2000s probably.

01:34:36.260 It's like when Scream and all like, um, like the scary movie was all coming out.

01:34:41.180 I watched all the scary movies.

01:34:42.820 Yeah.

01:34:43.060 The spoof ones.

01:34:44.260 Um, somebody in the chat brought up the idea of voodoo too, which is like, yeah, a certain

01:34:50.340 people group, you know, has principalities that they're more vulnerable to.

01:34:56.820 Right.

01:34:56.960 So that's why you get like voodoo or hoodoo that comes from like Haiti and things of that

01:35:02.300 nature.

01:35:03.120 Africa has its own ancestral spiritual worship that they are accustomed to.

01:35:08.720 Probably Korea too.

01:35:09.820 Probably.

01:35:10.160 I'm sure Korea.

01:35:11.540 I was making the joke before about like, I don't understand, uh, Chinese people or Korean

01:35:16.120 people, but it's like, nah, their customs are going to be foreign to what.

01:35:19.140 So different from us.

01:35:20.700 Yeah.

01:35:21.840 Yeah.

01:35:22.180 And they're, they're engaging in a lot of that ancestral, uh, worship and things of

01:35:26.040 that nature.

01:35:26.380 So yeah, man, I mean, I think maybe it just so happens that because Irish and obviously

01:35:34.200 they have, there's a, there's deep Catholicism with it within, you know, Irish and Italians.

01:35:38.720 Right.

01:35:39.040 And so they have their own thing when you look into like the Druids and Celtic mythology and

01:35:45.040 stuff when it comes to, uh, Scottish and, and Irish lore.

01:35:47.960 But I think they're long detached from that.

01:35:51.060 And maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe that kind of thing is experiencing a resurgence.

01:35:54.560 But, um, when it comes to like, especially migrants from, from Africa or from Haiti in particular, or any of these places, like, yeah, they were just experiencing that ancestral worship, uh, these, uh, nature deities and things like that.

01:36:10.520 And then all of a sudden they're here and, you know, they're trying to assimilate and shit is really hard.

01:36:16.580 Especially when the government is weaponizing your music against you, uh, you know, flooding

01:36:22.160 the hoods with, with crack red lining so that you can't buy property anywhere.

01:36:26.780 You can't get approved for a mortgage outside of the hood.

01:36:29.140 You know, there's a lot of things that are, it's almost like an experiment on like how spiritually

01:36:34.140 twisted can you make an area and a, and a people group.

01:36:37.500 And so how do we get on black people?

01:36:39.560 Yeah.

01:36:40.060 I mean, I don't know.

01:36:41.220 We went down a fricking rabbit hole there.

01:36:42.620 Let me answer your question because I found, I found my, the answer to your question is when

01:36:47.880 it was shut down.

01:36:48.520 So in 2014, uh, Richard Bourne from New York bought the hotel.

01:36:53.620 He like their bear, Simon Baron development.

01:36:56.780 They promised they were going to like preserve the architecture or whatever.

01:37:00.780 In 2017, they actually closed it for renovations.

01:37:03.660 Of course, COVID hit.

01:37:05.100 So they stopped the renovations in December of 2021.

01:37:08.640 One, they reopened as an affordable housing complex operated by the Skid Row housing trust.

01:37:15.060 That's how we got on it.

01:37:16.220 Yep.

01:37:16.500 That's how, that's how we got there.

01:37:17.860 And then, um, now Reverend Dylan Littlefield performs acts of service at the Cecil hotel

01:37:24.960 for the homeless population.

01:37:27.380 Um, that's interesting.

01:37:29.480 Yeah.

01:37:29.780 And so the hotel has been for sale since 2024 in 2025, there's still residents living in

01:37:36.500 the hotel, but the Skid Row housing trust phone number is no longer in service.

01:37:41.620 The website has been shut down.

01:37:43.000 They're not the people operating the facility anymore.

01:37:47.860 There's just people still living there.

01:37:50.140 That's a wild thing to do.

01:37:52.660 Ultimately is take this place.

01:37:54.360 That is one of the heaviest spiritual, then go, Hey, let's give this to poor people.

01:38:01.140 Yep.

01:38:01.660 Yeah.

01:38:02.020 That's what you do.

01:38:04.280 They're like, Oh, this has been, there's so much like death and destruction and despair

01:38:09.340 here.

01:38:09.760 Let's go ahead and move a bunch of poor people into it.

01:38:11.680 It's affordable housing now.

01:38:13.840 This is what, like we're, we're doing a food drive.

01:38:16.220 Uh, Oh, that's right.

01:38:17.320 Yeah.

01:38:17.980 After, uh, uh, Matt gets back.

01:38:20.360 So probably like the fifth or six or something.

01:38:22.720 We raised, we raised a good amount of money for it.

01:38:24.700 Yeah.

01:38:24.860 I don't want to raise any more money for it.

01:38:26.080 Cause it's like a lot of money, but like, I don't want to give, like, if we're given

01:38:29.420 to people that are poor, I don't want to give them shit.

01:38:31.620 This it's the same idea.

01:38:33.000 Like, like, Oh, here's like, you know, red 40.

01:38:35.640 Here's yellow five.

01:38:37.520 Go ahead and dig that hole deeper.

01:38:39.560 Stupid.

01:38:40.080 Like, that's like, I don't want to do that.

01:38:42.000 That really.

01:38:42.560 Cause I, I was like, we can go to Publix and just buy nothing but beer.

01:38:46.220 And just turn it into a beer drive.

01:38:48.240 You can buy a lot of cheap stuff that are like all this.

01:38:50.740 That's why I was talking about the church and like, uh, using, using their, uh, their

01:38:54.760 refrigerator system.

01:38:55.480 Because if you buy these perishables, most of them are like, you know, it's toxic garbage.

01:38:59.780 And then you really think about what got this person here in the first place.

01:39:02.380 It's like, yeah, a lot of that, a lot of swap of all varieties.

01:39:05.800 Well, they're going to be sick and they're going to like, when you're sick and you eat a bunch

01:39:09.980 of like junk and then like, you don't really want to move and you want to just like sit

01:39:13.360 around and then you're lazy and now you're eating those Doritos and drinking.

01:39:16.220 The soda while you're playing video games, because that's all you have the energy to

01:39:19.180 do.

01:39:19.540 And then you go to sleep.

01:39:20.660 But like now those video games have with your head and people have anxiety because

01:39:24.620 they're just scrolling on social media all day long and they just eat junk food.

01:39:27.860 And your microbiome, your gut microbiome is like the second brain that causes the depression

01:39:33.020 that caused the anxiety that causes inflammation that causes all this, um, immunity, it like

01:39:38.000 immune system issues.

01:39:39.080 And you're just like feeding that with like shit food.

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01:40:12.600 Yeah, of course people are sick.

01:40:13.900 Of course people are not doing anything.

01:40:15.260 Of course people are anxious.

01:40:17.320 Like we're feeding them like garbage.

01:40:19.520 This, this, um, this hotel, you said it's on Skid Row.

01:40:22.840 Yeah, that's, this is what I'm saying.

01:40:24.420 Like all of the components of it.

01:40:25.980 You think about like.

01:40:26.860 I wonder if I want, man, I, I think what you're missing here with, with the, uh,

01:40:33.860 I guess your deep dive into this is like, you probably got a deep dive into Skid Row.

01:40:37.720 How that turned out the way it did.

01:40:39.540 Because if this place was there before that neighborhood went to trash and in the neighborhood

01:40:44.580 goes to trash because of policy, but there's like, there are other factors as well.

01:40:48.240 So you kind of have to factor in all of these things and see like what happened here.

01:40:54.360 Was that, was this a hotel, the catalyst or was, is this hotel just kind of a, a symptom

01:40:59.760 of like, you know, it's just a sick area.

01:41:02.180 Yeah.

01:41:02.540 It is interesting that there are sick areas though, because like not all of LA went to

01:41:08.640 shit, but Skid Row is notoriously bad.

01:41:11.680 So it makes you wonder, like, I mean, if the theory that the Cecil hotel is this portal,

01:41:17.360 then is that why Skid Row became what it is?

01:41:22.100 Well, this, this is interesting.

01:41:24.180 What caused it?

01:41:24.820 It's interesting that it's a, a tower, or can you bring this up top?

01:41:29.440 Cause this is what it reminds me of.

01:41:31.100 Like, you know, you have this land that is, you know, poisoned and then you have this tower

01:41:37.580 in the middle.

01:41:39.440 It's like the eye of Sauron.

01:41:40.840 Like, it's like this, you know, almost like the enemy planting its flag in its stronghold.

01:41:47.620 You know, it's like what happens below there on the baseline is Skid Row.

01:41:53.560 It's this, I mean, incredible level of despair.

01:41:56.840 It's the same thing with like Kensington, you know, where you look at it and you, you're

01:42:00.480 just like, this is a real spiritual stronghold.

01:42:04.340 And, and then hovering above it is suicide tower.

01:42:09.240 Like, geez, man.

01:42:10.620 But then it also makes sense.

01:42:11.700 Like looking at it when Skid Row really came to prominence, you're seeing a lot of deaths

01:42:16.540 through like the sixties and the seventies.

01:42:17.960 And then into the eighties when we have like, um, you know, the serial killers that come in.

01:42:22.740 Well, that's going to happen because the area is bad.

01:42:27.540 Sure.

01:42:28.200 Are you a lot of vulnerable people?

01:42:30.020 Right.

01:42:31.920 Yeah.

01:42:32.520 So I, I don't know.

01:42:34.200 You could go back and forth all day.

01:42:35.720 Like maybe it was just a murder.

01:42:37.240 Maybe it was just a suicide.

01:42:38.760 Maybe it's something so much darker than that.

01:42:42.200 It just feels like, um, sort of a, a, a unique case in a body of really horrific shit, not

01:42:50.620 just in that tower, but like that area.

01:42:52.760 And then you zoom out and what are you really looking at?

01:42:55.100 You're looking at LA, you know, which is what is, what, what, what is Losa?

01:43:00.120 It means the angels city of the angels.

01:43:03.140 You know what I mean?

01:43:03.740 What, like what fallen angels?

01:43:05.700 Yeah.

01:43:06.120 Like it's a stronghold dude.

01:43:07.660 Like the more you zoom out on that situation, the more you realize like, this is just all

01:43:12.220 the festering hole in a giant wound.

01:43:15.640 Yeah.

01:43:16.900 No, like LA, like it's all bad.

01:43:20.580 Yeah.

01:43:20.980 It doesn't even like feel good to be there.

01:43:22.800 It feels like weird.

01:43:24.520 I've heard people say that where you get off the plane at LA and you could just feel like

01:43:28.100 the spiritual, I've never been, I have no interest in, in going.

01:43:31.080 Like have you ever been to a place where you get off the plane?

01:43:32.420 You're like, yeah, I'm so excited to be here.

01:43:33.740 Like, this is cool.

01:43:35.100 Yeah.

01:43:35.500 I was like, Oh, Florida.

01:43:37.460 Yeah.

01:43:38.500 When I went to New Orleans, you could feel like there was really something there.

01:43:43.740 Um, and, and a lot of it, you know, the, the stuff.

01:43:49.120 Yeah.

01:43:49.480 And it gives itself away, meaning you could just look at it and go like, Oh, it's pretty

01:43:53.640 obvious.

01:43:54.020 And of course, you know, within the lore of, uh, of, of New Orleans, it's nothing but voodoo

01:43:59.880 and, and, uh, you know, Santa Muerta and all this shit that, that they do out there.

01:44:05.260 But, um, the look of it too, you know, the architecture, it's like this, um, it's beautiful,

01:44:12.780 but it's dilapidated.

01:44:14.180 It's falling apart.

01:44:15.200 It's, there's like, you know, this, this, uh, what would you call it?

01:44:20.200 Novelty bar that is sinking into the earth.

01:44:24.460 And, and it's like, when you look at it, you're like, it's part of a tourist attraction.

01:44:29.180 Nothing's been updated.

01:44:30.380 It's this window into a time where, yeah, I mean, you know, we had all these people,

01:44:35.260 people here from different countries and we were importing people from Haiti, like crazy

01:44:38.660 and, and voodoo was rampant.

01:44:40.480 And this is like the epicenter for like, uh, vampire lore in America is new Orleans.

01:44:47.220 And they've not changed anything about this place.

01:44:49.740 And when you look at it, you're like, the only thing that's holding this building together

01:44:53.700 is something spiritual because for all intents and purposes, it should be, uh, vacant.

01:45:00.180 It should be, what do you, what do you, what do you call it when this, when this, when

01:45:03.220 the city shuts a place down, you know, like it's condemned, it should be condemned, but

01:45:07.980 instead there are people going in there, they're serving drinks, you're having food, but you're

01:45:11.540 looking at it and you go, this doesn't make any sense, man.

01:45:13.340 And the whole place doesn't make any sense.

01:45:14.680 It feels like it's propped up by a spirit.

01:45:16.120 And then you look at, um, you know, what happened where the, where the, the levees broke,

01:45:21.180 um, uh, was it Katrina?

01:45:24.040 Yeah.

01:45:24.280 You know, all the death and the looting and it's just like additional layers of, of,

01:45:29.040 of dark spiritual energy.

01:45:31.200 And then what is it doing in the meantime?

01:45:33.060 Just debauchery, just debauchery.

01:45:35.180 I mean, as soon as the, the sun, you don't have to wait for the sun to go down, dude.

01:45:39.220 In the middle of the day.

01:45:40.280 Isn't that interesting though?

01:45:40.620 Like we can, we can look, we just talked about this case for like an hour and a half.

01:45:44.360 And really, I think what we're looking at is this larger picture of everything around

01:45:48.820 it, like this lady is just, uh, she's just a circumstance.

01:45:53.500 Yeah.

01:45:53.700 Yeah.

01:45:53.920 She's a symptom of, of one of many things that has and will happen in this spot.

01:45:59.500 And I always wonder it as well.

01:46:01.580 Like it's, it's the reason why I left New York because I got to a certain point and I

01:46:07.040 looked around me and I was like, what's left to save?

01:46:09.100 Like, what could you actually pull out of this dump?

01:46:12.800 Like if you buy that hotel, you could fix it up.

01:46:16.120 But can you fix this place?

01:46:19.120 I don't think you could fix it.

01:46:20.500 Daniel and Babylon, like Daniel didn't fix Babylon, but he's, he's there in Babylon.

01:46:26.380 There's still like, God still has people who are, you know, on that side in that place.

01:46:33.820 But yeah, it's not like Babylon was saved.

01:46:36.600 It's not like Sodom and Gomorrah gets saved.

01:46:38.500 You know what I mean?

01:46:39.000 Like, I don't think, I don't think LA gets saved.

01:46:41.880 I don't think New York city gets saved.

01:46:43.400 I think if there's really a dude in the Cecil hotel, who's a reverend and he's bringing

01:46:49.400 God to these people, like that guy is doing really serious work.

01:46:53.780 If that's the nature of what he's doing, like that's unbelievable work.

01:46:57.200 And God calls certain people to do that.

01:46:59.400 I don't think God calls that reverend to save Skid Row, the Cecil hotel, Los Angeles.

01:47:05.400 I think there are just people in the belly of the beast that are saving souls and, and

01:47:10.320 that's about the best that you're going to get until something, you know, until New Jerusalem

01:47:15.180 or some, some shit like that.

01:47:16.640 Like, I don't think that, I think those places are gone.

01:47:19.360 Yeah.

01:47:20.680 Yeah.

01:47:21.140 I, I, I don't know.

01:47:23.640 I think it's harder.

01:47:24.740 It's harder to look past because of all the crazy things.

01:47:30.100 But I mean, you could say that about so many different places, like how many places are

01:47:33.300 haunted, quote unquote, because people have died there.

01:47:36.360 Um, but really it's just a symptom of the area.

01:47:40.660 Yeah.

01:47:41.760 So I don't know.

01:47:43.380 I think it's just like the concentration of it.

01:47:45.620 That's what I think it is.

01:47:46.460 I think it's like, if you were looking for, um, the head of the zit, it might be right there.

01:47:52.680 It might be like the Cecil hotel, you know, and the irritation around it.

01:47:56.360 There's many, like, yeah, yeah.

01:47:57.520 Like I said, in where they built those affordable.

01:47:59.680 Earth's got back knee.

01:48:00.760 Yeah.

01:48:01.360 Where they built the affordable housing projects in Coney Island, it's a peninsula, but the

01:48:07.400 surrounding area is called Graves End and they call that for a reason.

01:48:10.440 Like that's where the graves end from the Indians that they killed.

01:48:13.780 So it's like that house, my old house and all these places built on Indian burial ground.

01:48:18.880 Yeah.

01:48:19.060 And then you kind of wonder why this place is forsaken.

01:48:22.680 It's like fucking garbage.

01:48:24.680 Yeah.

01:48:25.060 Like it's not a surprise, people.

01:48:29.620 Well, that was depressing.

01:48:30.880 Do you think she was murdered?

01:48:32.840 No.

01:48:34.480 You think she killed herself?

01:48:36.600 No.

01:48:37.500 I'm leaning more towards the idea that like she, um, she got in there through some sort

01:48:45.080 of supernatural means.

01:48:46.000 Like she didn't, she wasn't conventionally, you know, climbing into it.

01:48:50.540 She wasn't put in there by somebody else.

01:48:52.680 I just feel like there would be so much evidence.

01:48:55.660 I mean, if they're, if they're bringing out the dogs, um, then after this case came to

01:49:01.660 a head and they found her, they would have done some sort of forensics.

01:49:04.780 They would have looked into it.

01:49:05.540 So if there was anything that was worth anything that indicated somebody else was involved,

01:49:10.240 anybody, anything that indicated that she, you know, did this on her own, you know, uh,

01:49:14.720 it just, I feel like it would have come up, but instead you're left with these strange

01:49:18.500 things.

01:49:18.800 Like there's no marks, there's no signs of anybody else being involved.

01:49:21.820 Like, it sounds like we don't understand the way she got in there.

01:49:25.600 Okay.

01:49:25.960 How many times, I don't know if you listen to a lot of true crime, but how many, how many

01:49:31.860 murders, how many times have like somebody has clearly murdered this person and they're

01:49:36.340 like, ah, accidental drowning, ah, accidental, accidental death, natural causes.

01:49:42.840 They died by natural causes.

01:49:43.880 You're like, no, there's strangulation marks on their neck.

01:49:45.840 Like that wasn't natural causes.

01:49:47.400 Like, I don't believe that at all.

01:49:49.940 I also, I think that they typically will find, um, you know, you watch like these, these for

01:49:57.140 the few that I have and the way that they figure out like the involvement of, you know, this

01:50:02.260 other perpetrator is like through the most obscure shit.

01:50:05.280 Yeah.

01:50:05.920 You know, we found DNA strands, we found hair, we found the same mud on this shoe prints that

01:50:12.040 we found in the tires that belong to the RAV4 that this fucking dude drove.

01:50:16.560 You know what I mean?

01:50:17.000 Like, it's like all these things and here they're like nothing, nothing.

01:50:21.380 So was it supernatural?

01:50:23.920 Um, yeah, that's what, like you said, was she murdered?

01:50:26.540 I said, no.

01:50:27.500 Right.

01:50:27.840 Did she kill herself?

01:50:28.880 I said, no.

01:50:29.940 I just think she died.

01:50:32.000 I think somebody just, and.

01:50:33.360 Blapped her into the.

01:50:34.300 She's in there.

01:50:35.340 I don't, I, those are like two separate things.

01:50:38.080 I don't know how they happened.

01:50:39.920 She died.

01:50:40.680 I don't think anybody killed her.

01:50:43.740 And then she was in there, but like not put in there.

01:50:47.580 Just now she's in there.

01:50:49.340 By the way, the whole manic bipolar, right?

01:50:52.820 Is that what was.

01:50:54.040 Well, so she could have been experiencing a manic episode, but what you have to understand

01:50:57.840 or what you have to remember is that she had her medication in her system.

01:51:03.180 So.

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01:51:33.940 Typically, when you're bipolar, like you find a good cocktail, you're good.

01:51:38.800 And so like you can really regulate your your moods.

01:51:41.840 You're not doing like massive like dips and spikes.

01:51:44.580 You're pretty even keeled.

01:51:46.200 And she was on her depression medication as well.

01:51:48.560 So if she was having a manic episode, that means that none of her medication was working.

01:51:52.940 But she's still taking it because typically what I've experienced with bipolar is that they will stop taking their medicine because they're feeling good.

01:52:00.040 Like they're I'm good.

01:52:00.960 I don't need it anymore.

01:52:01.720 So they stop taking it.

01:52:02.760 And that's when the shit hits the fan.

01:52:04.260 But if she's still taking it, it was in her system.

01:52:07.320 Then is she experiencing a manic episode?

01:52:10.580 Well, that's where I don't believe that she's in a manic episode at all.

01:52:13.440 Well, the thing about that is I mean, there was a video going viral recently where a guy was wearing I think those like Ray-Bans kind of, you know, that records.

01:52:24.620 And he's going to one doctor.

01:52:27.980 He's describing his symptoms and they're giving him a diagnosis and they're giving him a prescription.

01:52:33.020 And he'll go to another doctor, you know, psychologist, whatever, describe the exact same set of symptoms, different diagnosis, different prescription.

01:52:43.320 And he does it at like five or six of them.

01:52:46.100 And one of them is like a little Indian lady.

01:52:47.600 One of them is like this white dude, whatever.

01:52:49.460 They're all giving him.

01:52:50.700 And it's like he gets hit with like, you know, depression, bipolar, bipolar, schizophrenic, you know, whatever.

01:52:59.520 Like every possible, you know, damning psychological diagnosis you can get, this guy gets it.

01:53:06.020 But he's telling them all the same shit, which goes to show you like it's like, yeah, see, Marnie Mack said that she's seen it.

01:53:11.740 It was going viral and it's like, wait a second, what?

01:53:15.040 So you can bring the same symptoms to a different doctor.

01:53:17.500 They'll give you a different prescription, some shit you can't even pronounce, and a different diagnosis.

01:53:22.920 So what I'm getting at is under a different diagnosis, she could have been diagnosed bipolar, schizophrenic.

01:53:31.920 And if she was bipolar, schizophrenic, I would definitely be more grounded in my assumption that this is demonic in nature.

01:53:38.980 I'm already there.

01:53:40.740 But if she had just a different instead of just manic bipolar or whatever the hell it was, if it was bipolar, schizophrenic, I would have said, oh, yeah, this is 100% demonic.

01:53:49.280 I think we need a little bit more background on her because like, is she prone to having these schizophrenic almost episodes, right?

01:53:57.760 Because that, like, to me, watching that video, it almost seems schizophrenic.

01:54:02.580 Like, just a little bit.

01:54:04.020 So like, is she prone to this type of behavior?

01:54:08.600 Or is this something that she's never experienced before?

01:54:11.780 However, and that's why, like, her roommates, her roommate, her roommates, her sister, like, not her roommates, but whoever was in, like, staying in the same room as her, and her sister had also said that they were worried about her erratic behavior.

01:54:24.160 As if she doesn't do this often.

01:54:25.860 Because, like, to me, if I was worried about my sister's erratic behavior, but she's often doing this, I'd be like, this is a symptom of her bipolar.

01:54:34.940 This is a symptom of her schizophrenia, whatever it is a symptom, like, she has this diagnosis, and she does this a lot.

01:54:42.220 I would say that.

01:54:43.840 But, like, your sister is saying, I'm worried about her erratic behavior, as if that's not normal.

01:54:52.700 That's something that I would be very interested in knowing, is like, what is her history with that?

01:54:58.320 How erratic was, how frequent was that?

01:55:02.480 And was that hotel coordinating, in a way, with her behavior?

01:55:08.020 Yeah.

01:55:08.440 So she was still in university, by the way, that's interesting.

01:55:12.860 So she wasn't even, like, I was wondering what her occupation was, because sometimes there's, I would be interested in knowing her family.

01:55:19.720 Because, you know, very often when you look into an individual that has a tragedy that befalls them, and there's also, in conjunction, some mental health issue, you will find, like, oh, yeah.

01:55:33.040 And then, very close relative was military intelligence.

01:55:36.700 Very close relative was this or that.

01:55:38.480 Yeah.

01:55:39.020 So I would be interested in knowing that, but that's not what I'm getting right now.

01:55:42.260 Yeah, just University of British Columbia.

01:55:44.920 She was a student.

01:55:46.220 So, yeah, what did we say, 21 years old?

01:55:48.860 Bizarre, man.

01:55:49.720 Bizarre.

01:55:50.160 But I think it's just one thing that stands out in a sea of strange shit.

01:55:54.540 In fact, I bet you, if anybody cared to look, you would find that the people that are on the ground level there at Skid Row all have the most horrifying and supernatural testimonies.

01:56:06.960 You know, you look at the whole Kensington Avenue thing, and everybody's walking around like zombies, or not walking around, just standing and frozen in time, which you see that all the time.

01:56:17.360 They're asleep standing up.

01:56:18.420 And if you gave these people the time of day, if you can get any clarity out of them, I'm sure that you would get supernatural testimony after supernatural testimony after supernatural testimony.

01:56:27.500 But fascinating story.

01:56:29.500 It really is.

01:56:31.280 And it's just one of those things I don't think we're going to get answers for.

01:56:34.480 But, you know, it's interesting to hear what the Cecil Hotel has turned into, which is Section 8 housing where a reverend is working.

01:56:44.020 It's not Section 8 housing anymore.

01:56:45.880 Now it's just housing where, like, homeless, it's basically homeless housing run by nobody.

01:56:50.100 But the reverend is there, like, doing God's work.

01:56:54.260 I would like to talk to that guy.

01:56:55.340 I was just going to say that, man.

01:56:55.980 Because we could find him and get – he's probably busy.

01:56:58.560 He's probably busy.

01:56:59.020 I mean, I'm sure he would take some time because he's trying to bring, like, awareness to it.

01:57:03.440 Like, if he can bring awareness to it, maybe he can get help.

01:57:05.460 I wonder if he would be cautious in his characterization of what he's doing because I know if you're desperate for help, you often want to stay away from the more fantastic elements of whatever it is that you're doing because you then narrow the doorway through which people might enter to offer you help.

01:57:24.380 But, yeah, that would be interesting maybe to reach out to him.

01:57:27.700 Thank you, Danny.

01:57:28.480 I appreciate your time.

01:57:29.340 It's a fascinating episode.

01:57:30.520 Before we get out of here one more time, let's let everybody know where they can find you.

01:57:33.260 The Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Theories and then on social media, rabbit.hole podcast if you want to follow me.

01:57:40.100 I do answer all the DMs that I get.

01:57:43.200 I'm starting – I started putting out two episodes a week, but if I don't have a guest, then you only get one episode that week.

01:57:48.320 So I didn't have a guest, like, last week.

01:57:51.120 So Patreon didn't get an episode today – or, like, yesterday on Monday.

01:57:56.700 So next week there will be no guest episode.

01:57:59.940 Well, we'll have to have you back in next time you have something fascinating.

01:58:03.260 We'll talk about – reach out to us.

01:58:04.960 I feel like every single week I've got something fascinating to talk about.

01:58:08.360 Nice.

01:58:09.160 All right.

01:58:10.000 So we'll do it again soon then.

01:58:11.700 Yeah, absolutely.

01:58:12.300 Thank you, Danny.

01:58:13.420 Of course.

01:58:13.760 And, guys, another great episode.

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Nephilim Death Squad - January 06, 2026

The Cecil Hotel w⧸ Dani of The Rabbit Hole Podcast

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