Nephilim Death Squad - The Curse of Canaan w⧸ Ed Mabrie & Matt Hepner

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00:01:54.220 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:14.120 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:03:13.220 Guys, he's back.

00:03:14.380 It's every single time we talk to him.

00:03:16.560 I go, it's been too long since we talked to him.

00:03:18.560 Yeah, it's just a week.

00:03:19.400 He's been on.

00:03:19.900 Is it?

00:03:20.220 Oh, no.

00:03:20.560 It's been like.

00:03:20.960 No, it's been more than I was going to be on last week.

00:03:22.580 I think we had a little scheduling issue.

00:03:24.840 I forget what it was.

00:03:25.680 Yes, I remember what it was.

00:03:27.080 What was it?

00:03:27.340 David decided to go to Disneyland.

00:03:29.860 Oh, I had to go to Disneyland.

00:03:31.160 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:03:31.800 Because I had to see what the enemy is doing.

00:03:34.940 Did you see his frozen head somewhere?

00:03:38.120 No, I didn't see his frozen head.

00:03:39.360 But I spent a lot of time in the tunnels.

00:03:40.780 I freed as many children as possible.

00:03:42.660 Ed, it's good to see you, man.

00:03:46.100 What have you been up to?

00:03:47.280 Well, actually, no.

00:03:47.980 Before we even get into that, where can people find you?

00:03:50.520 Oh, yeah.

00:03:51.080 Yeah, so the main website is faithbyreason.net.

00:03:54.660 So that's my site I've been doing for a really long time.

00:03:57.620 Tons of information there.

00:03:58.940 If you become a member, you get access to all of it.

00:04:03.480 There's free stuff there, but a lot of it's going behind the paywall just for my members.

00:04:07.960 The whole Revelation series, the Genesis series is there.

00:04:11.860 You get books and hopefully some merch soon.

00:04:14.440 I'm working out some things with Topp, actually.

00:04:15.940 He's designing some stuff for me, really cool stuff.

00:04:18.660 And so you'll get all that there.

00:04:19.860 And then you can also go where I would love for you to go to my Patreon, mostly because

00:04:24.120 that's where I'm the most active, where I'm answering questions and doing things like

00:04:27.820 that.

00:04:28.060 So you get bonus episodes.

00:04:29.700 You get the episodes dropped there first.

00:04:31.420 You also get the same Revelation series.

00:04:33.040 You'll get the Genesis series that I'm working on and way behind on, but you'll get that there

00:04:37.240 as well.

00:04:37.880 Q&As.

00:04:38.840 I put those up when I get enough questions.

00:04:41.140 And you can also be a part of my monthly Bible study, where we go through the entire Bible

00:04:47.900 in a year monthly from the spiritual point of view.

00:04:51.600 So we're going behind the scenes, looking at things, not from the human point of view,

00:04:55.280 but from God's point of view and from what's going on in the spiritual realm with the angels,

00:04:58.480 the Elohim, the Nephilim, all that kind of good stuff.

00:05:00.380 And actually right now we are, we just wrapped up our series on Jesus that we did two months

00:05:05.600 on Jesus.

00:05:06.000 And now we're doing two months on the church for October and November, looking at it again,

00:05:10.640 all the supernatural stuff going on there.

00:05:12.700 How, you know, Satan thought he had won when he killed Jesus, but instead Jesus rises again

00:05:17.220 and he made a whole bunch of duplicates of himself.

00:05:19.140 So now they made it worse for themselves.

00:05:21.360 We're going over that aspect of it.

00:05:23.280 And yeah, I'm also working on, by popular demand, a spiritual warfare course.

00:05:30.740 I've been getting a lot of people talking about that.

00:05:32.960 They're dealing with a lot of spiritual warfare, spiritual oppression.

00:05:36.200 And so myself and John Lenhardt, who's been on the show with me before, he and I are designing

00:05:41.620 an entire curriculum that you'll be able to sign up for.

00:05:44.320 It'll be early next year.

00:05:45.560 I'm shooting for Q1 because we want to have, make sure we have all of our ducks in a row

00:05:49.060 that we'll have video material, written material, and then there'll be monthly live

00:05:53.280 classes where we'll do some, John and I will do teaching and you can ask us questions,

00:05:57.780 but you'll be able to download all the course material and we're developing that right now.

00:06:01.540 So that's something new.

00:06:02.320 I hadn't even talked to you guys about before.

00:06:04.340 It's actually something that I kind of got the impetus from when I was on Tony Merkle's

00:06:09.300 show.

00:06:09.780 We recorded it last month.

00:06:12.020 Huge flex.

00:06:12.880 Also run these ideas by us beforehand.

00:06:15.880 A little weird that you would just go ahead and do things like that.

00:06:18.660 I was hoping, like, I thought we were like kind of on a consulting level.

00:06:21.100 You know what, I was starting to tell us cool stuff like that.

00:06:25.360 Yeah, we were actually.

00:06:26.340 I was starting to talk and, you know.

00:06:28.120 And forgot about us.

00:06:29.620 Actually, I did not forget about you guys.

00:06:31.980 We actually had a long conversation about you two.

00:06:34.500 Oh, no.

00:06:35.260 No, no, no.

00:06:35.780 It was all good.

00:06:36.980 I promise.

00:06:37.740 Because I was totally repping you guys.

00:06:40.040 Come on.

00:06:40.400 Come on, Matt.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, let's say we're going to introduce you to Matt.

00:06:42.580 By the way, before we get started, I want to shout out the Standard Coffee Shop.

00:06:45.760 That's where we are.

00:06:47.260 For those of the viewers, and I know, Ed, you were a little taken aback because it's

00:06:50.580 like every time you talk to us, we're in a different location.

00:06:52.460 This is a Standard Coffee Shop.

00:06:53.780 It's like, where are you guys right now?

00:06:55.400 If you're in the villages, sort of Ocala area, you're looking for a really good coffee,

00:06:59.700 but you're also looking for someplace that shares your values.

00:07:02.240 It's an awesome place.

00:07:03.480 Coffee Shop up front.

00:07:05.300 Christian Library in the back.

00:07:07.040 Someplace in the middle.

00:07:08.700 Schizophrenic Podcast.

00:07:09.460 So very cool.

00:07:10.640 I just want to, you know, we got to kind of get in the habit of doing that because we're

00:07:13.320 showing new looks to people.

00:07:14.280 They don't know what they have to say live from the Standard Coffee Shop.

00:07:16.720 Live from the Standard Coffee Shop.

00:07:18.680 Matt's going to join us in a little bit, but I just wanted to get that out of the way

00:07:21.600 before we got into the conversation.

00:07:23.140 I was talking with John Lenhart in an email chain.

00:07:27.200 Gave him the Calendly, so he should be booking again fairly recently.

00:07:31.320 Yeah, he wants to do it in early November.

00:07:33.660 I was talking to him a couple of days ago because he wants to have all, like, him, myself,

00:07:38.640 and Jason, the other guests, all on in early November because they're trying to,

00:07:43.040 they want to finish out a schedule of shows that they're currently doing so that they

00:07:46.220 can make sure that, you know, the guests who are watching can, like, get access to all

00:07:49.380 the content because they're on season two of, like, a little podcast thing that they're

00:07:54.700 doing and they want to have all that information out and then they want to talk about it and

00:07:57.860 then people can go and look at and download all that content.

00:08:01.780 Okay.

00:08:02.280 All right.

00:08:02.600 So, yeah, look for something like first, second week of November.

00:08:04.940 Where do we, where do we start?

00:08:06.280 I feel like it's been years.

00:08:08.920 It has been years.

00:08:10.360 And it's clearly been busy doing cool stuff without us.

00:08:13.320 Can you spoil the whole, uh, just spoil the whole thing with, uh.

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00:09:01.040 Uh, Tony Merkel.

00:09:01.780 Yeah, what, what, what, tell us exactly what happened, exactly what you talked about.

00:09:05.120 Word for word.

00:09:06.200 So, yeah, so he flew me out to Knoxville, which is Eastern, I've been to like Nashville

00:09:10.840 and Memphis, West part, it's first time in Knoxville, so that was very different.

00:09:15.060 They were telling me the difference between East and West, um, Tennessee.

00:09:18.020 I think like the West part is very progressive, or not very progressive, it's more progressive

00:09:22.160 than the East side is like a little more culturally conservative, so that was interesting.

00:09:25.560 Um, but you know, go to the studios, really cool spot.

00:09:28.900 Um, I'm there with, with Joel Thomas, uh, another one of his frequent guests.

00:09:32.660 And we, the first show we do is, um, you know, back to the little season stuff, because, um,

00:09:38.480 I think Joel had been on Tony to do a show about it and Tony was like, eh, I don't know,

00:09:42.300 this isn't really my thing.

00:09:43.340 I don't know how important it is or how, but then I think he started to see how prevalent

00:09:47.760 it has become in the community.

00:09:49.980 And so, uh, Joel and I kind of went, uh, we did like, wow, almost three, two.

00:09:55.500 Yeah.

00:09:55.620 We did a good two hours just, um, going over all of the issues and errors with it.

00:10:00.500 But again, with the message of, you know, we're not trying to put anyone down.

00:10:03.580 We understand why people believe it, but we wanted to make sure that they're not being

00:10:07.280 deceived.

00:10:07.640 That's really the whole point of it.

00:10:08.640 Don't be deceived by this and don't think that God's abandoned you.

00:10:11.180 I mean, we talked about this ad nauseum.

00:10:13.400 Then, um, the next day we, it was just a one-on-one Tony and I, and we were really focusing

00:10:19.080 on the spiritual realm, um, a little bit on spiritual warfare, which is kind of how the

00:10:23.620 whole idea of the class came about because Tony was saying, yeah, you know, a lot of his

00:10:27.600 listeners would be interested in something like that.

00:10:30.420 So instead of me just, you know, pussyfooting around on it, I, that was my impetus to say,

00:10:35.300 you know what, I need to make a formal class and not just, you know, put up a post here

00:10:40.100 and there, but actually do something formal so that people can really get the full benefit

00:10:44.580 of it.

00:10:45.480 Yeah, it was, it was a great time.

00:10:46.820 That was an intense moment for, for, for Matt to hop on.

00:10:50.560 And he put his ears in and he has a pussyfooting.

00:10:52.220 He just hears pussyfooting.

00:10:53.240 And I told you that Ed maybe doesn't play any games and you weren't sure.

00:10:57.840 And now let it be known.

00:10:59.000 Wait, can we, can I, can I just ask real quick?

00:11:00.700 No, no, no, no, no.

00:11:01.340 Okay.

00:11:01.560 Just say what you're going to say.

00:11:03.840 Don't start pussyfooting.

00:11:04.600 Wait, does all my stuff work?

00:11:05.760 Yeah, all your stuff works.

00:11:07.120 Ed, this is Matt.

00:11:08.960 Since you abandoned us, you know, we found a new friend to play with and, and, and you're

00:11:15.640 actually going to meet him soon when you, when you come down, uh, uh, early March to

00:11:18.860 do the, uh, Bohemian Grove VIP day in Bohemian Grove.

00:11:21.700 But, uh, uh, he's the owner of the standard coffee shop and the guy who basically, uh, sort

00:11:27.400 of made a front for a Christian library.

00:11:31.260 He said, I want a Christian library.

00:11:32.580 You don't really open one of those.

00:11:33.680 I know what I'll do.

00:11:34.540 I'll lie to the people.

00:11:35.540 I'll tell them it's about coffee.

00:11:36.740 And then I'll get them in the back to learn about Christianity.

00:11:39.760 Uh, please say, say hi to Ed.

00:11:41.240 Maybe we met Ed.

00:11:42.580 So I've been asking these guys for three months just to ask you what town you're from.

00:11:46.020 Oh, there you go.

00:11:46.700 That was actually on the list today.

00:11:48.200 We had that.

00:11:48.840 We keep forgetting.

00:11:49.980 Yeah.

00:11:50.260 Asking where I am now or where I grew up.

00:11:52.540 No, where you're like born and raised at.

00:11:54.220 Oh, I was born and raised in LA.

00:11:55.700 And, um, basically I live with my grandparents in South central LA until I was 13.

00:12:00.580 Then I moved into with my, my mom in Eaglewood.

00:12:02.620 So yeah.

00:12:03.800 Oh, these guys said you're from like Oakland, man.

00:12:05.760 No, well, I mean, I don't know where California is.

00:12:08.780 Well, now I'm in Northern California now.

00:12:10.800 I moved up, I moved up to Northern California in 05.

00:12:13.680 Okay.

00:12:14.000 What town do you live in now?

00:12:15.640 Oh, right now.

00:12:16.520 You want me to dox myself?

00:12:18.860 Oh, my bad, my bad.

00:12:20.200 You don't understand that.

00:12:21.020 Anyway, I'm from Livermore.

00:12:22.160 I don't know if you're anywhere near there.

00:12:23.340 Yeah, I know Livermore.

00:12:24.300 I'm actually, I'm in, I'm, I'm in Marin County.

00:12:29.040 So right over the Golden Gate.

00:12:29.800 Okay, got like North Bay?

00:12:31.260 Yeah, North Bay.

00:12:32.600 That's sweet.

00:12:33.500 Yeah.

00:12:33.700 So right over the Golden Gate.

00:12:34.640 No, no, it's North Bay.

00:12:35.360 It's going to go over the Golden Gate and I'm about 15 minutes north of San Francisco.

00:12:41.180 Yo, that's beautiful there, dude.

00:12:43.100 That's like.

00:12:43.380 Yeah, it is.

00:12:44.100 Yeah.

00:12:44.520 It's not quite as.

00:12:45.440 You're incredibly wealthy.

00:12:46.260 That's awesome, man.

00:12:47.260 No, that's, that's sweet, bro.

00:12:49.500 I don't know if he's going to gaslight you as much as possible.

00:12:51.860 No, no, I love this guy.

00:12:53.120 I love the Genesis guy.

00:12:53.860 All right.

00:12:54.100 So this is what happened here.

00:12:55.400 He went on, he just got on a major show.

00:12:58.900 Big show.

00:12:59.440 Much bigger than our show.

00:13:00.680 Much bigger than our show.

00:13:01.640 So it's the show that me and David met on technically.

00:13:04.360 Yeah.

00:13:04.620 What's the show?

00:13:05.620 It's called the confessionals with Tony Merkel.

00:13:07.780 Yeah.

00:13:07.960 Right.

00:13:08.240 We told you about it the other day.

00:13:09.300 It's a, it's a testimony based show.

00:13:10.640 People have supernatural experiences.

00:13:11.960 They go on Tony show.

00:13:13.460 They unpack them.

00:13:14.640 What started off as Bigfoot stories evolves into something else.

00:13:20.020 And then, you know, it's a, I thought you were talking about the lady, the German chancellor

00:13:24.340 Merkel.

00:13:25.360 No, that's Tony Merkel.

00:13:27.360 Okay.

00:13:27.780 Different lady.

00:13:28.440 Very nice lady.

00:13:29.180 Okay.

00:13:29.680 Got it.

00:13:30.060 Yeah.

00:13:30.240 Yeah.

00:13:30.720 So, um, uh, so, so, and you, you now, I'm sorry, but I have to ask a little bit.

00:13:36.060 No, he's going to ask about us.

00:13:37.680 Does he like us?

00:13:38.520 Does Tony Merkel like us?

00:13:39.520 Okay.

00:13:39.820 Yes.

00:13:40.340 Yes.

00:13:40.640 He, he actually does.

00:13:41.600 He says, so actually a Joel brought you up because he was like, you know, Ed, um, you

00:13:47.220 wrong, you've been on the show for a while.

00:13:48.400 And I'm like, I'm surprised because, you know, they're into like really raunchy comedy and

00:13:51.800 they were, you know, doing all these things.

00:13:53.060 I said, you know what?

00:13:53.620 I actually met them before I saw their comedy.

00:13:59.240 So I was on the show before I knew any of all that.

00:14:01.960 So I, and I, I intentionally didn't watch any of their comedy because people told me,

00:14:06.780 he said, just they're cool guys with you.

00:14:08.680 Don't, don't get in your comedy.

00:14:09.800 I get offended.

00:14:10.320 I'm like, okay, fine.

00:14:11.040 But yeah, but that's the point of it.

00:14:12.860 Yeah.

00:14:13.220 But, but what he totally says, he says, he thinks you guys are like little brothers and

00:14:16.980 he, he, and I was telling him that, you know, these guys, they're, they're totally, they're,

00:14:20.700 they're evolving.

00:14:21.500 They are, you know, they're rough around the edges.

00:14:24.180 Like tower gang isn't happening anymore.

00:14:25.500 I didn't give him all the details about, you know, what happened with that.

00:14:28.240 But what I said is like, you know, these guys are sincere, you know, I, I, I witnessed

00:14:31.940 their growth in like the year that I've been working with them and, you know, they're,

00:14:36.340 they're, they're good guys.

00:14:37.240 They're sincere guys.

00:14:38.140 And, and he was like, yeah, that's good to hear.

00:14:40.680 And he says, you know, and I, I considered him professionally like little brothers.

00:14:44.080 So he was like totally down.

00:14:46.000 Well, I also ignore my siblings.

00:14:47.520 So that's good to know.

00:14:48.300 I find myself defending these guys a lot too, Ed, so I can totally, yeah, exactly the same

00:14:55.820 thing.

00:14:56.120 We're not easy people to, to be in a relationship with.

00:14:59.400 And I think that that's, I'm beginning to understand that, or I've, I've, I've definitely

00:15:03.260 learned that over the time.

00:15:04.820 Don't touch wires anymore.

00:15:05.900 So, um, uh, all right.

00:15:08.160 We talked about a lot of people in the podcasting world.

00:15:11.020 Like, cause he obviously knows way more than me about who's real and who's fake.

00:15:14.560 And you guys were in the real category.

00:15:16.520 Oh, no, that's hard, bro.

00:15:19.240 Yeah.

00:15:19.440 That's pretty, I guess that's good.

00:15:20.860 I don't know.

00:15:21.720 It's always sideways stuff from either you or apparently Tony Merkel.

00:15:26.300 I think it's all deserved though.

00:15:27.820 I understand where they're coming from.

00:15:29.300 Look, I want to talk about something a little bit more important.

00:15:32.200 Yeah.

00:15:32.380 I, now that I got that out of the way, you, you, we were, we were like baffled.

00:15:36.580 We're like, he's going to set Ed up on a debate about the little season with who?

00:15:41.740 Cause like, we know the people for the little season debate and, uh, it turns out it was

00:15:45.380 Joel Thomas, huh?

00:15:46.480 Yeah.

00:15:46.640 Well, it wasn't a debate.

00:15:47.680 Yeah.

00:15:47.860 He, I, he clarified that to me like a week before cause I was, I was prepping for a debate

00:15:52.080 and not, and so I just asked like, who am I going to be on with?

00:15:54.400 Cause I wouldn't at least know what their positions are.

00:15:56.400 He says, no, it's not.

00:15:57.420 He, you know, he didn't want to do a debate.

00:15:58.540 He just really wanted to, he wanted to understand it.

00:16:00.600 Cause I, you know, cause Tony by his own admission, isn't like really huge into eschatology.

00:16:04.760 So he wanted to really understand it and understand like what the issues are with it.

00:16:09.520 So that's what, that's how we, uh, we, we approached it.

00:16:12.580 Okay.

00:16:13.100 All right.

00:16:13.640 Yeah.

00:16:14.020 Um, so Ed is definitely, you're not little season, but you were going to go discuss the

00:16:18.420 conversation with the dude debate, but discuss it.

00:16:20.720 He wrote a book, uh, about like debunking the little season.

00:16:24.260 The little season.

00:16:25.260 I never even heard of it until I was hanging out with these guys.

00:16:27.520 I was like, wait, what?

00:16:28.380 Well, I'm not going to lie while Ed was away.

00:16:30.380 And this is why it's important for you to stay in our lives and stop going and hanging out

00:16:34.560 with cooler people.

00:16:35.640 We had people on the show that like, we didn't know they were going to talk about it.

00:16:39.460 Next thing you know, he's like, let me tell you something.

00:16:41.200 I'm kind of into the little season.

00:16:42.560 And we're like, all right, you're already here.

00:16:44.300 Like, let's talk about it.

00:16:45.160 It's like, you're me, you meet a friend and it's like, you guys are cool.

00:16:47.920 And all of a sudden they're like, I smoke crack secret.

00:16:50.460 And you're like, Oh man, no, they get mad.

00:16:52.780 The little season guys get mad.

00:16:54.300 I'm happy to hear what you're saying, but we don't have to get mad about it.

00:16:58.460 I've been called all kinds of names until I've been accused of like being a big, working for

00:17:03.460 the Rothschilds and all this kind of stuff.

00:17:05.580 Yeah.

00:17:06.220 We get that all the time too.

00:17:07.960 If that were true, they need to pay better.

00:17:09.700 I mean, I, I need my, where's my yacht?

00:17:11.780 Seriously.

00:17:12.320 I think the funds are drying up.

00:17:13.880 Where's my, where's my ditty party?

00:17:15.900 Where's my wallpaper?

00:17:16.960 Well, no, that's where all the funds went.

00:17:18.520 It's the wallpaper.

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00:18:14.140 So you're discussing end times eschatology.

00:18:16.040 You're talking about spiritual warfare with them.

00:18:18.800 Yeah.

00:18:18.940 We talked about my first book about the false apocalypse where I, you know, my interpretation

00:18:22.680 of the, of the, uh, the gen, uh, excuse me, Revelation chapter six with the first six

00:18:26.580 seals being opened.

00:18:27.400 We talked about that.

00:18:28.420 Then we got in deep into like Nephilim stuff and what, you know, what they're all about.

00:18:33.020 And we, we, we did a dive into, into the whole Elohim realm and like the rank of the hierarchy

00:18:38.800 of the different types of, of Elohim and, you know, uh, demons versus fallen angels first.

00:18:44.240 And then we talked about, you know, the, the ones that present as female, like Lilith and

00:18:47.740 the succubi and things like that.

00:18:49.180 And so we, we, we went really deep into that and we talked about, you know, how to battle

00:18:53.240 these things and what, and, and what you need to do and the power that you have through

00:18:57.540 Christ that, you know, most Christians either don't know about or don't know how to use.

00:19:01.880 And that's when we got into those spiritual warfare aspect of it.

00:19:04.080 And, and yeah, we, we went through a lot, a ton of stuff there and we went all over the

00:19:09.040 place.

00:19:09.280 So it was really more of, it was, it was like a, like a little cafeteria.

00:19:13.420 You got a cafeteria plan.

00:19:14.820 You got a little bit of everything, but like, we didn't go too deep on any one thing, but

00:19:17.980 we were really focused on the spiritual realm.

00:19:20.980 Sometimes those are the best conversations though.

00:19:22.720 If you're getting there organically, because all these things do lead to one another, those

00:19:26.720 are some of the most fun.

00:19:28.340 Um, the spiritual warfare thing has been heavy.

00:19:30.540 I mean, I know, uh, you have like a, don't we have that like?

00:19:34.200 It's an, in a PDF version from spiritual warfare prayer.

00:19:37.900 It's like 38 pages worth of, or something of that.

00:19:40.980 It's like, it covers all the bases.

00:19:43.740 It covers everything like from, you know, your personal battles to if he gets into your computer

00:19:48.160 system, like he just casting the Satan out of every place.

00:19:51.100 And it's, yeah, you guys have the PDF and it's also on faithbyreason.net at the top, because

00:19:55.340 again, I get a lot of people who are saying I'm under oppression.

00:19:58.000 And here's the thing that our words can absolutely affect the spiritual realm.

00:20:03.720 We know this.

00:20:04.220 I mean, we, I know you've had people on this show on all kinds of, uh, of shows of the

00:20:08.680 truth, truth, uh, shows where people will say I was oppressed.

00:20:12.080 And then I said the word Jesus and they just fled.

00:20:14.920 But yeah, so that's Daniel and we're in Daniel and we go ahead.

00:20:20.560 Oh, sorry.

00:20:21.340 Go ahead.

00:20:21.600 There's a little bit of latency.

00:20:22.440 Sometimes I don't have, we, uh, we're in Daniel and we're just getting into that part

00:20:25.300 where, uh, the angel shows up and he tells Daniel, I came for your words.

00:20:29.340 He said, yeah, I heard you 21 days ago.

00:20:31.560 And, uh, you know, I got held up by the Prince of Persia.

00:20:33.920 Michael got me through, but I'm here now.

00:20:36.080 And I came for your words.

00:20:37.760 Exactly.

00:20:38.260 I mean, imagine, imagine if Daniel had gotten, got tired and stopped praying at day 19 with

00:20:42.940 that angel have made it through.

00:20:44.860 And then there's, there's the, um, the, um, the story, the narrative in the gospels where

00:20:50.680 Jesus, you know, he's casting out, he's casting these demons out.

00:20:53.180 He does it pretty, pretty, uh, readily, but then he gave his disciples that power.

00:20:57.860 But then some of them came back and they said, look, you know, Jesus, we tried, but we

00:21:00.880 couldn't, we couldn't get this one out.

00:21:02.340 And Jesus said, well, this one only comes out through prayer and fasting.

00:21:04.920 Meaning just, so there are, there are different ranks.

00:21:07.180 There are different hierarchies.

00:21:08.400 And if you're dealing with like a major league, fallen angel or demon, then just saying Jesus

00:21:14.440 isn't going to do it.

00:21:15.420 You're going to have to do more.

00:21:16.700 You're going to have to be in the right head space.

00:21:18.180 You're going to have to have your ducks in a row.

00:21:19.640 You're going to have to be really focused on, you know, prayer and fasting.

00:21:22.920 Then there are other times where Jesus tried to cast, he didn't try.

00:21:26.100 He was, he, he told a guy, the legion, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, thousands of demons

00:21:30.940 that were in this one guy.

00:21:31.920 And first Jesus says, come out of him.

00:21:34.000 Nothing happens.

00:21:34.800 Then Jesus says, what is your name?

00:21:36.300 And he says, I'm called legion.

00:21:38.040 And then Jesus cast him out.

00:21:39.740 So there's something about knowing the names of these entities that, that, um, that gives

00:21:44.800 some kind of, there's like a covenant aspect of, of, of having a name.

00:21:48.180 And I think Tony and I talked a little bit about that, but even Jesus had to have, he

00:21:53.520 couldn't just say, get out.

00:21:54.560 Oh, that didn't work.

00:21:55.020 Okay.

00:21:55.160 What's your name?

00:21:55.740 And he has, he compelled him.

00:21:56.700 He told him his name.

00:21:57.400 Okay.

00:21:57.700 Now you can go.

00:21:58.900 Now you got to go.

00:21:59.800 So the point is that, you know, sometimes just saying the name Jesus will work.

00:22:04.440 Sometimes you've had people who are in sleep paralysis and they think Jesus, try to yell

00:22:07.880 them out and nothing happens.

00:22:09.040 And that's because you're dealing with an even more powerful entity.

00:22:12.280 So there are ranks and hierarchies and you need to know where you have to, you have the

00:22:16.660 power through Jesus, but you also have, it's like, you know, if, if, if you know karate,

00:22:21.800 but you don't practice it, well, you're still going to get your butt kicked.

00:22:24.620 So you have to know, you may have the ability.

00:22:27.420 The way I relate it is let's say, you know, we're, we're adults, we're adult males.

00:22:31.220 Let's say a 10 year old kid comes and attacks us.

00:22:34.400 Well, what are you going to pick him up and throw him somewhere?

00:22:36.360 You're going to, kid doesn't have a chance.

00:22:37.520 You have the power, but if you don't know what you're doing, let's say that kid knows

00:22:41.580 karate and you just curl up in a corner because you think you have no power.

00:22:44.240 That kid's going to kick your tail, not because he's stronger than you, but because you

00:22:48.520 don't know what you're doing.

00:22:49.480 And maybe he's a little stronger than you thought he was, but you have, you're still the adult.

00:22:53.140 And he's still 10 years old.

00:22:54.440 You just have to know what to do.

00:22:57.120 Did you, uh, when you were in, uh, with Merkel, cause I, Merkel's the kind of guy that is

00:23:02.320 dealing with this stuff, uh, on a crazy level.

00:23:06.200 And I think because of the nature of his show, he's, he's inviting and talking to people that

00:23:11.820 are giving their testimonies about this.

00:23:13.680 So it's almost like an open door to opening himself up to more of it.

00:23:18.160 Like, yeah, in a way, in a way, I actually had a conversation with him about that.

00:23:22.960 Uh, and I was asking, I was like, do you think that that's like opening up for more, like

00:23:28.520 more tech?

00:23:29.000 Like, should, should you be doing, should you be doing documentaries going out looking for

00:23:33.500 these things?

00:23:34.180 I don't know if that, like, that's such an, to me, it seems like such an obvious answer.

00:23:37.820 I'm looking right now for this tweet that I, I made earlier.

00:23:40.320 I found this hilarious.

00:23:41.560 It's, it's hilarious.

00:23:42.580 David's the kind of dude.

00:23:43.340 He's like, he's like, yeah, no, we should definitely go out there.

00:23:45.700 And then there's like a customer in the shop.

00:23:47.460 Who's like, I'm a fan of the show.

00:23:48.900 And he's like, I don't want to talk to this.

00:23:50.540 That's not true.

00:23:51.320 I love talking to the fans of the show.

00:23:53.660 That's huge.

00:23:54.340 I, I enjoy it.

00:23:56.060 No, look, did you, did you get the feeling that, uh, that Merkel is like, uh, kind of

00:24:01.060 like overwhelmed with this stuff?

00:24:03.180 Because sometimes I'm, I'm listening to the show and I'm like, I don't know, man.

00:24:08.220 I think it can get that way.

00:24:10.180 We talked about it.

00:24:10.820 I think he did.

00:24:11.340 He was doing like three shows that week and he was, and he's writing a book, which I think

00:24:15.380 was, he had a deadline that he actually told him some of my tips because I got my book out

00:24:19.380 pretty quickly and AI helped with that with like, you know, framing it and whatnot.

00:24:22.900 But yeah, I know he's really busy and I think he wants to cut back a little bit because it

00:24:26.840 is overwhelming.

00:24:27.600 It's exhausting, even though you're just talking, you know, doing this.

00:24:31.020 And he, one thing, one thing he mentioned, you know, he, he was, he, he was, he came from

00:24:36.240 Pennsylvania, the Philadelphia area, and he came out to Tennessee.

00:24:39.300 And I believe God drew him there because there's so much crazy supernatural stuff happening

00:24:43.660 that way.

00:24:44.340 So I think he was like literally brought by God to this area because God needed a warrior

00:24:49.980 there.

00:24:50.340 He needed someone there who was going to represent his side.

00:24:52.880 And you wouldn't think necessarily Tennessee, you know, Bible bell, they should be covered.

00:24:56.640 But no, apparently there's a lot of supernatural activity.

00:24:59.720 Joel was talking about the same thing because he does, you know, some similar stuff with his

00:25:04.280 show and his ministry.

00:25:06.060 I think that, you know, it's one thing to say, is Tony inviting something?

00:25:11.140 But what I have here is, is it's kind of silly, but I think it's a important and it's

00:25:16.640 that you don't really need to invite much of anything for, for these, I guess, like pagans

00:25:23.140 or witches to, to be doing something to you.

00:25:26.380 I have here.

00:25:27.300 So this is somebody who has an entire altar to Hecate, who is the right hand of Hades,

00:25:33.780 you know, kind of like goddess of the underworld.

00:25:36.020 When you see that kind of triple moon symbol that they use really often is a crescent moon,

00:25:39.940 full moon, crescent moon.

00:25:40.980 That's like the, the, the, the, the maiden, the mother and the, and the crone.

00:25:46.960 Those are the keys of Hecate.

00:25:48.740 This is all, this woman is praying to Hecate to make her ex bald.

00:25:53.500 So my point is, it's like, is, is Tony Merkel inviting something by going out into the woods,

00:25:58.660 by making these documentaries, by making this podcast, by drawing attention to this negative

00:26:02.220 aspect of this, of the spiritual realm?

00:26:04.300 Yeah, dude.

00:26:05.240 I think in general, like people, anybody you ever meet that their focus is the demonic.

00:26:10.280 I don't know this dude.

00:26:11.320 He's young.

00:26:11.700 He sounds like a really nice guy, but I'm just saying like anybody you ever meet in a Christian

00:26:16.360 circles or whatever, where their focus is the demonic realm, weird stuff starts happening.

00:26:21.400 And you start bringing it on, whether you're wanting to or not, like whatever you're talking

00:26:25.260 about, like you're saying, your words have power, whatever you're talking about and focusing

00:26:28.360 on that stuff shows up, man.

00:26:30.360 That's why like the focus of our ministry is always Christ.

00:26:32.920 And then of course, around that we deal with the demonic, we deal with the supernatural,

00:26:37.080 we deal with everything else.

00:26:37.960 But like when the focus is the demonic, always with those folks, weird stuff happens, man.

00:26:42.760 Yeah.

00:26:43.100 Yeah.

00:26:43.280 I mean, I know that when I'm doing this curriculum, when I'm, when I'm creating the curriculum

00:26:47.460 for the spiritual warfare class, I know I've got, I've got to stay prayed up because

00:26:50.220 I know it's, it's now I'm going to be getting their focus.

00:26:52.840 Cause they're like, you know, we don't want people knowing this.

00:26:54.700 We don't want people knowing how to have power over us.

00:26:57.300 So I'm, I'm expecting, you know, to, to, for the attacks to ramp up.

00:27:02.680 Yeah.

00:27:03.240 Well, people will say, even when they get, um, like if you get baptized or something,

00:27:06.500 or if you just make this proclamation that, uh, that Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior

00:27:10.680 like that in that moment, sometimes people will report and then weird stuff started happening.

00:27:15.760 So it's like, I think we're all engaged and this seems pretty obvious.

00:27:18.620 We're all engaged in like spiritual warfare.

00:27:21.040 If you're standing in the middle, that's preferable to the other side.

00:27:25.500 But if you pick a side, now you're engaged.

00:27:28.560 And now, so, so if you're standing in the middle, there's probably not much of a, of a,

00:27:32.420 of a reason to screw with you.

00:27:34.180 You know what I mean?

00:27:34.700 It's like, he's not picked aside.

00:27:35.800 This person's not engaged in the war.

00:27:37.380 He's not decided that Jesus Christ is the way let's leave him alone.

00:27:40.760 The second you make that proclamation or you, or you dedicate yourself in that direction.

00:27:45.820 Yeah.

00:27:46.240 I mean, you know, it's you getting saved and you realizing the truth.

00:27:50.620 It's also you stepping on the playing field.

00:27:53.040 Exactly.

00:27:53.540 Because in the middle of your lukewarm and Jesus said, you know, I wish you were, I wish

00:27:57.880 you were hot or cold, but because you're lukewarm, I'm going to, you make me sick.

00:28:00.740 I'm going to vomit you out.

00:28:01.400 And the reason that he says that is because God cannot interact with you.

00:28:04.700 And when you haven't picked, taken aside, you know, if you, if you, if you take the

00:28:08.920 wrong, he'd rather you be bad.

00:28:10.860 Real quick for me, can you do me a favor?

00:28:12.880 At least when you're, uh, can you hear me?

00:28:15.560 I'm sorry to interrupt, Ed.

00:28:16.200 We're having a little bit of an issue with the internet.

00:28:17.800 Can you refresh your browser and just come right back in?

00:28:19.940 We'll see if that fixes it.

00:28:20.900 I don't know if the audience is hearing it, but we're hearing it and we're, we're losing

00:28:24.100 a lot of what you're saying.

00:28:25.440 Uh, just refresh the browser and hop back in.

00:28:27.620 All right.

00:28:27.900 Okay.

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00:28:55.120 I know that like, cause it's, you know, I, I, I didn't come through Christianity even,

00:29:04.260 even through the Bible.

00:29:04.900 Right.

00:29:05.100 I came through realizing it because of like supernatural things that happen, but don't

00:29:09.080 you feel like there's some, like you shouldn't be looking at the demonic face all the time.

00:29:12.880 What do you mean?

00:29:13.560 When you get into Christianity, not through the Bible.

00:29:15.420 Like didn't have, you didn't really get in.

00:29:16.920 Like, what are you talking about?

00:29:17.520 Well, no, I mean like, that's how I got there was realizing like, oh, this demonic thing

00:29:21.760 that's haunting me and my family means that Jesus Christ is real.

00:29:25.560 So now you're reading a Bible regularly.

00:29:27.540 Yeah.

00:29:27.980 Yeah.

00:29:28.180 Yeah.

00:29:28.380 That's the way it happened for me.

00:29:30.780 I love that.

00:29:31.480 He doesn't think that I am.

00:29:32.560 I, I, I, I've been reading Ecclesiastes.

00:29:34.360 Now I have to read Job and I've been pronouncing it job for most of my life.

00:29:38.460 I see no problem with that.

00:29:39.760 Well, I mean, you said not to jump around and I don't know if it's, if it's all right

00:29:42.980 to jump around, but I'm just reading what I feel like reading.

00:29:45.760 I was going to read Isaiah and then somebody was just like, that's not chronological.

00:29:50.120 So you go Genesis as it is, you would do well to read it just straight through.

00:29:56.060 You would do well because that way you're not jumping around and crazy whenever you feel

00:29:59.260 like that day.

00:29:59.920 But that's what, that's what got me there.

00:30:01.500 That's what got me there.

00:30:02.340 I had this harrowing experience.

00:30:04.020 I said, okay, this is, if this is real, then the other side is real.

00:30:07.320 And that's what led me there.

00:30:09.380 I know you want to make faces about it.

00:30:10.780 I can see it.

00:30:11.100 Okay.

00:30:11.220 We got Ed back.

00:30:12.020 Ed.

00:30:12.120 Well, no, you just didn't get into Christianity through the Bible.

00:30:14.700 So I got into Christianity because I was, uh, kind of strange.

00:30:20.500 All right.

00:30:20.920 Let's hear it.

00:30:21.440 Ed.

00:30:21.560 Are you all right?

00:30:22.600 Yeah.

00:30:22.940 Yeah.

00:30:23.080 Can you hear me?

00:30:23.520 I'm getting a little bit better.

00:30:24.580 Yes.

00:30:24.820 Yes.

00:30:25.140 Yeah.

00:30:25.380 I don't know what the heck was going on.

00:30:26.640 So Ed, as far as like being on the fence, maybe was that, maybe that was it.

00:30:30.820 Could be it.

00:30:31.340 Could be it.

00:30:31.740 Okay.

00:30:32.020 Being on the fence.

00:30:32.740 Like this is a thing with baptism too.

00:30:34.240 Like if we look at the story where Philip baptizes the Ethiopian eunuch, right?

00:30:37.840 Like he doesn't say, Hey bro, we'll wait till the next show and we'll get some music and

00:30:42.580 we'll have this big thing.

00:30:43.640 And then we'll do the baptism in front of everybody.

00:30:45.920 Like, no, it doesn't matter if there's any humans around.

00:30:48.400 Like some people mess that up.

00:30:49.620 They're like, baptism is just an outward expression of an inward truth.

00:30:53.040 It's like, no, no, it's, it can be that, but it's much more than that.

00:30:55.840 And so even though they're in the middle of the desert with nobody around, it's a witness

00:30:59.500 to the entire spirit realm, which team he's on now.

00:31:02.460 Right.

00:31:02.900 The cloud of witnesses, as Paul talks about it.

00:31:04.940 So we're not just being observed by our, our, you know, our, our human peers.

00:31:09.060 You know, there are Elohim watching us, watching everything we do.

00:31:13.760 And not just because they're being voyeuristic, but because they're learning.

00:31:17.180 They don't, they didn't know all of God's plan.

00:31:19.240 They didn't know that Jesus was going to come and die on the cross.

00:31:21.600 They had no idea.

00:31:23.420 Neither the good Elohim or the bad ones.

00:31:25.240 They, they were, they're following God, but they, they're amazed by us because we

00:31:29.040 have, because of our free will.

00:31:30.100 They don't know what we're going to do.

00:31:31.880 So I think they are fascinated by us, but not only that, but they are our witnesses.

00:31:37.240 Literally.

00:31:37.960 Like when we, um, I'm getting a little bit off topic, but, um, let's say you, you, you

00:31:45.600 can, you can, as a Christian, you can enter into the throne room of God, into his courtroom.

00:31:49.660 You have that right now because Jesus gave you that right, which is the same right that

00:31:53.660 Adam and Eve had.

00:31:54.220 They were on the divine council, um, back in the garden of Eden.

00:31:57.760 They could come before God.

00:31:59.360 God will walk with him.

00:32:00.380 Of course, they lost that with original sin.

00:32:01.820 We've gained it back.

00:32:02.560 My point is that when we, we can go into the courts of heaven and present a case against

00:32:08.180 a demonic entity.

00:32:09.560 And we have witnesses because they've been watching our whole lives.

00:32:12.860 So they are witnesses on our behalf, as is the Holy spirit.

00:32:15.720 So they're a cloud of witnesses.

00:32:17.280 They're observing us, but they're also our spiritual witnesses.

00:32:20.460 You know, Paul says that we will judge angels.

00:32:23.240 We will judge the Elohim.

00:32:24.220 Oh, okay.

00:32:32.680 I don't know if I'm still here.

00:32:33.720 If I lost you guys, the entire thing, we're trying here.

00:32:42.240 I'm sorry.

00:32:42.760 Was that me or was that on my side or your side?

00:32:45.740 No, I think it's on, on our side.

00:32:47.880 Uh, one of the things we have to do here is like upgrade the internet, but, um, are,

00:32:51.520 are we good now?

00:32:53.160 That was, don't worry.

00:32:54.260 It wasn't a stab.

00:32:54.920 We'll see.

00:32:55.480 We'll see.

00:32:56.060 It was, I'm just saying that's, that's what's happening here is, uh, is, is we're having

00:33:00.100 a little bit of internet.

00:33:00.700 Yeah.

00:33:00.820 I should have done the spiritual warfare prayer for the, for the computer system.

00:33:03.960 That's exactly what it is.

00:33:05.180 Yeah, that's exactly.

00:33:05.880 So, so before we cut off, you were saying that, uh, uh, that we have, oh, you know,

00:33:09.540 all of these Elohim and everything witnessing because they don't know.

00:33:11.980 And they're surprised by us and our free will and the decisions that we're making here.

00:33:15.620 And that, uh, and then we kind of lost you after that.

00:33:18.720 Yeah.

00:33:19.020 So they're, they're, they're learning about us and they're, they're learning about, um,

00:33:22.900 God, more of God's nature through us, because again, we are, we're kind of, we're

00:33:27.600 his, you know, we're, I would call it an experiment.

00:33:30.820 But we, we are something new, um, relatively speaking.

00:33:34.620 And they're, they, they are finding out God's plan as we're finding out.

00:33:39.080 He's, he's unveiling, he's unveiling it to them as well.

00:33:41.140 We have this idea that they know everything.

00:33:43.240 No, they don't.

00:33:44.220 They are learning.

00:33:45.180 And, and, you know, they, they appreciate us as part of his creation, but they're fascinated

00:33:49.520 by us.

00:33:49.940 And what I brought up before, I don't know if I cut up about, um, before this, but, you

00:33:53.780 know, we have the authority to come into the courtroom of, of the heavens and they are not

00:33:59.420 only witnesses to us as, as people who are, as beings that are observing us, but they

00:34:03.880 can be actual literal witnesses when we come to the courts of heaven.

00:34:07.780 Um, because it's something I've been learning recently.

00:34:10.180 And also with the spiritual warfare aspect, you know, these things called generational

00:34:13.240 curses that you could actually be paying the price for lack of a better term for things

00:34:20.420 that your ancestors did ancestors are for four generations.

00:34:23.560 You may say, okay, that seems unfair.

00:34:25.100 And technically it is because you didn't do it, but it's being visited upon you, but

00:34:29.460 you have the remedy for it.

00:34:30.840 You can go and repent of what an ancestor did and say, I'm repenting on their behalf.

00:34:36.860 And I'm repenting of everything I've done in agreement with that spirit.

00:34:40.180 Let's say, you know, good example is growing up.

00:34:43.440 My mother and my grandmother were always, my grandmother passed away.

00:34:46.800 My mother's still with us, but they would always have the spirit of lack around them

00:34:50.320 and say, oh, you know, nothing ever works out.

00:34:51.920 You know, you got to struggle for everything.

00:34:53.320 You know, we're just doomed to be in poverty all the time.

00:34:58.100 And can you guys hear me?

00:35:00.580 Yeah.

00:35:01.060 Yeah.

00:35:01.220 Okay.

00:35:01.860 Poverty.

00:35:02.280 Yeah.

00:35:02.780 And so when you do that, you are speaking your words.

00:35:05.440 We were talking about this before, Matt.

00:35:06.960 Words are, are, are containers of information that go into the, the, um, the heavenly realms.

00:35:12.080 And so they are making, they are sinning by essentially not believing in God, not believing

00:35:16.980 that God will provide for them.

00:35:18.520 And that actually can give a fallen Elohim the right to, that can, that can form a covenant

00:35:23.920 with them.

00:35:24.460 They can say, okay, we can, you've spoken this into existence.

00:35:27.660 You have, you have spoken against God.

00:35:29.980 You've got that.

00:35:30.600 He will provide everything.

00:35:31.300 And you're saying, you know, I'll be in lack.

00:35:33.140 Great.

00:35:33.700 Now I have a covenant against you and that covenant can lasted for generations, but I can repent

00:35:39.540 on their behalf and then break that off of me so that I don't have that, that curse

00:35:44.460 of lack.

00:35:45.660 But we go, bro, we go to heaven.

00:35:48.520 Excuse me.

00:35:50.460 That's so true with poverty, with, uh, sickness.

00:35:53.640 Like you, like you get around some families and like, they get in a circle and they're just

00:35:57.340 chilling and they just start talking about being sick and they're taking Tylenol.

00:36:01.460 This is my family.

00:36:02.320 This is like, uh, I get around people.

00:36:04.020 They're just talking about being sick.

00:36:05.340 I'm like, what are we talking about?

00:36:06.500 This woman, her entire life, like that's why you get on the idea of manifestation.

00:36:11.000 It's like a new age idea, but she says, she'll say something like, uh, Titi Linda, you've

00:36:16.140 met her before.

00:36:16.800 She'll be like my roof, my roof, my roof.

00:36:20.160 Oh, and, and my dad, it's like the repetition of it.

00:36:22.320 It's like, yeah, my dad will go check the roof.

00:36:24.400 He's like your roof.

00:36:25.360 We used to live in a house that was connected like in, in Coney Island.

00:36:29.260 It was just like her house, our house.

00:36:30.960 Oh, like a duplex.

00:36:32.180 No, no.

00:36:32.540 It was a whole row of houses.

00:36:33.780 That's how they built them.

00:36:34.520 Oh, okay.

00:36:35.060 So she just, my roof, my roof.

00:36:36.620 They said my roof and my dad will go up on the roof and he'll say, your roof is fine.

00:36:40.940 And then like a month later, why is she do it?

00:36:43.180 A month later, her roof is leaking.

00:36:45.500 And it's just like, you are asking, she's like my water heater.

00:36:48.940 They said every 10 years, my water heat.

00:36:50.940 And then boom, your water heater goes, it's like, you're like saying this thing.

00:36:54.660 Yes.

00:36:55.020 I don't say like, Oh, I'm, I'm sick.

00:36:57.660 Anytime I get a little under the weather, every time I get a little under the weather, I go,

00:37:03.700 nah, it's almost over.

00:37:05.260 I'm on the tail end of it every time, every time, you know, our, our words resonate in

00:37:09.540 the spiritual realm.

00:37:10.280 I know we've talked about this before.

00:37:11.320 It's called the, the correct definition of as, as above, so below what it means is that

00:37:15.800 you speak into one realm, it manifests in the other realm.

00:37:18.540 That's how God created the world.

00:37:19.820 He spoke in the spiritual realm.

00:37:21.280 It manifested physically.

00:37:22.540 We can speak and our words resonate in the spiritual realm.

00:37:25.640 And we don't, and if you don't know this, then you'll, yeah, you'll speak your roof

00:37:29.340 leaking.

00:37:29.660 You'll speak sickness into, into existence.

00:37:31.840 You'll, you'll speak poverty.

00:37:33.260 And if you do it over and over again, then you're, you're basically saying this has already

00:37:38.120 happened in the spiritual realm.

00:37:39.720 And that means it's going to manifest physically.

00:37:41.700 And that also, again, gives some of these entities the legal, right?

00:37:45.700 Because God is very legal.

00:37:47.320 He does things in a, in a, I don't say legalistic, cause that sounds negative, but he does things

00:37:51.840 according to covenants and he, he respects covenants.

00:37:55.140 He creates them.

00:37:56.140 He respects them.

00:37:56.760 And so if, if your words have formed a inadvertently formed a covenant with a fallen entity, that

00:38:03.300 covenant can be broken through Jesus, but you have to first, you have to intentionally go

00:38:06.800 before the courts and say, this covenant is on me.

00:38:09.960 I have the right through Jesus to break it.

00:38:12.140 I repent of anything that was done that, that causes this covenant to be there.

00:38:16.760 And God, I go come before you, not as father, but as judge and rip it up in the name of

00:38:22.520 Jesus.

00:38:24.380 But again, the reason, the reason we got on that was the whole angel thing.

00:38:28.000 The angels, they're your witnesses.

00:38:30.260 And you can even ask them, you can ask the Holy spirit.

00:38:33.240 You know, I don't know what they did.

00:38:35.120 I just know that there's this covenant on me.

00:38:37.140 It's covenant of lack of sickness of whatever.

00:38:39.000 And maybe someone did it in my past.

00:38:41.000 You got you, the Holy spiritual witness, the Elohim, you guys are witnesses.

00:38:45.280 And if you want to give me the name of the demon, I'll rebuke it.

00:38:49.360 If you don't, then I will trust you, Holy spirit, as my comforter, as my advocate on my

00:38:54.600 behalf, you know, cast this thing out, break this covenant and keep stepping.

00:38:59.600 I, you know, while you were gone, you, you, you, you missed some dreams.

00:39:03.800 I had some dreams.

00:39:04.940 Oh, okay.

00:39:06.420 Yeah.

00:39:07.820 And, um, and, and, and in one of the dreams, uh, I'd rather do this.

00:39:11.700 I'd rather, uh, there are like 40, we're supposed to do a little bit of, uh, Genesis, but there

00:39:16.780 are 40 questions here for Genesis stuff to next to next time.

00:39:20.020 What, what chapter Genesis were we in?

00:39:23.520 Oh my God.

00:39:24.220 It's been like, we were, we were going to talk about the curse of ham.

00:39:27.060 Is that where you're going to talk about the sin of ham and curse of Kate.

00:39:30.720 That's going to get offensive.

00:39:33.320 Well, we did have one question in the chat and they said, um, no, no, not the chat we're

00:39:36.980 doing.

00:39:37.260 Well, they did say something.

00:39:37.980 And they say, wait, so when Noah, uh, went to curse Kanan, that's what we were going

00:39:41.620 to get into.

00:39:42.580 Yeah.

00:39:42.920 But we can do it.

00:39:43.400 We can do it another time.

00:39:44.340 I mean, it's another time.

00:39:45.840 Another time.

00:39:46.360 Yeah.

00:39:46.560 We got, I think we, is it.

00:39:48.080 All right.

00:39:48.360 All right.

00:39:48.500 You know what?

00:39:48.980 I'll tell these people to shove off and we'll do that.

00:39:51.860 I think.

00:39:52.840 Yeah.

00:39:53.480 Or we can, we can do questions.

00:39:54.600 It's up to you guys.

00:39:55.280 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm totally down.

00:39:56.380 I would be so intrigued to see how Ed, uh, breaks that down.

00:40:00.280 Cause that's a pretty wild story.

00:40:02.520 That's a really wild story.

00:40:03.480 It is.

00:40:03.880 First off, the only reason I started this thread was to remind myself.

00:40:07.260 There's a guy named Daniel in our Patreon.

00:40:09.460 His wife is going through something.

00:40:10.660 He asked for prayer.

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.400 So, uh, yeah, let's keep him in prayer.

00:40:16.120 What's, uh, what, what's his wife going through?

00:40:18.220 It's a, they're waiting for a diagnosis on cancer.

00:40:21.200 Oh, it was a biopsy.

00:40:22.360 That's right.

00:40:22.840 Yeah.

00:40:23.380 Something like that.

00:40:24.080 So, uh, yeah, that's the reason I started this and then boom, they just, it just got out

00:40:28.640 of questions.

00:40:29.800 People.

00:40:30.160 Someone says no questions.

00:40:31.340 Just let Ed know he's appreciated.

00:40:33.420 Okay.

00:40:33.760 Very good.

00:40:34.760 Thank you.

00:40:35.220 Um, yeah.

00:40:36.540 Uh, I don't want to ask questions.

00:40:39.240 I want to talk about this.

00:40:40.440 All right.

00:40:40.460 Fine.

00:40:40.620 Let's talk about the question for next time.

00:40:42.440 And we'll get into it.

00:40:43.520 Yeah.

00:40:43.620 Let's do that.

00:40:44.580 Okay.

00:40:45.900 All right.

00:40:46.460 So simple water first.

00:40:47.920 This is a deep.

00:40:50.660 Okay.

00:40:51.040 So just, you know, Matt, we got the curse of ham.

00:40:54.280 Yeah.

00:40:54.640 Right.

00:40:54.920 Yeah.

00:40:55.040 That's going to get offensive.

00:40:56.100 All right.

00:40:56.440 All right.

00:40:56.800 Yeah.

00:40:57.240 It can.

00:40:58.700 Because there are some interesting interpretations and I want to talk about a few of them.

00:41:01.760 And I was just going to tell you where I land on it.

00:41:04.700 But just so you know, Matt, um, I'm, I'm doing a series on rebel on, uh, on Genesis.

00:41:08.680 I'm going through a step-by-step, but with these guys, it's kind of, we just throw out

00:41:11.860 ideas and I talk about some of the things that are controversial that I haven't gotten

00:41:15.640 to yet in my actual series.

00:41:17.360 So if anyone is going to the series, looking for the ham, I haven't, I haven't gotten there

00:41:21.600 yet.

00:41:21.760 I'm still with, I'm still on Adam and Eve in creation right now, but we, we, we talk

00:41:26.780 about, if you've talked on Nimrod and other stuff like that, whoops, hit my mic.

00:41:29.920 So, um, so here, the scenario is that, you know, we, we have the great flood, um, uh,

00:41:36.500 no drives up Noah's and his family and the animals come off the arc and Noah becomes a husbandman.

00:41:41.660 He comes, he comes, he's growing, he's growing crops and he grows grapes and he makes wine.

00:41:47.140 He's, you know, not, not, I'm not mad at him for that.

00:41:50.100 I was, you know, big fan of wine myself being up here near, near Napa and Sonoma, but he

00:41:54.400 was, he was drunk.

00:41:55.200 It says he was drunk, got drunk in his tent and he was uncovered in his tent.

00:42:00.980 And then, and so this is where you have to understand the language.

00:42:04.760 This is the difference between reading the Bible and studying it.

00:42:07.400 You need to know the, the language, the culture and what these words mean.

00:42:11.300 So the words say that he was uncovered in his tent and then his son, Ham, you have the

00:42:16.960 three sons, Sham, Ham, and Japheth, and they, and they all, all three are married.

00:42:21.660 Ham goes in and he sees his, his father's nakedness and he comes out and tells his brothers,

00:42:29.140 uh, Sham and Japheth.

00:42:30.900 Then Sham and Japheth, they go into the tent, um, backwards so they don't see the nakedness

00:42:36.260 and they cover him up.

00:42:38.460 And then it says, Noah wakes up from his drunkenness and he sees what his younger son had done to

00:42:44.820 him.

00:42:45.460 And when he realized what his younger son had done to him, he said, cursed be Canaan.

00:42:51.300 And he puts, he puts a, he puts a generational curse on Canaan.

00:42:54.400 Hey, he'll be a servant to Sham and Japheth.

00:42:56.860 And then he blessed Sham and Japheth for doing the right thing.

00:43:01.160 So this is the, this is the verse that says he uncovered, uh, his father's nakedness.

00:43:06.460 Right.

00:43:06.700 Yeah.

00:43:07.200 So I think, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:43:08.980 He said he was already uncovered and he saw him.

00:43:12.600 And then the, the, um, Sham and Japheth covered the nakedness.

00:43:18.180 Okay.

00:43:18.980 And then he said, curse be Canaan.

00:43:20.760 Well, who was Canaan?

00:43:21.420 Well, it says at the beginning, Ham, um, Ham was, Canaan was, Ham was a father of Canaan.

00:43:26.300 It says that in the beginning of the, of the passage, almost as like, it seems like

00:43:29.780 a throwaway line.

00:43:31.640 And so, but, but for some reason, Canaan is introduced into the story before we even

00:43:36.720 talk about what happened with, with Noah.

00:43:39.820 So what's going on here?

00:43:41.140 Well, there are a few different interpretations.

00:43:43.280 Um, some say that, you know, the, the, I guess the tamest interpretation is that, you

00:43:48.540 know, Noah got drunk, passed out.

00:43:50.600 I mean, I guess he just, you know, went nuts and I threw my clothes off and he's just,

00:43:53.880 you know, physically negative.

00:43:55.000 He has, he's unclothed in his tent.

00:43:57.720 Ham goes in and says, oh, dad's naked, you know, drunk.

00:44:01.340 And then he comes out and tells his brother, yeah, dad was hanging out naked in the gym.

00:44:04.080 You know, he's being drunk again.

00:44:05.440 And the two brothers respectfully cover him up.

00:44:08.160 And then, um, Noah comes out and he realizes what happened.

00:44:11.780 And he says, you know, curse be Canaan.

00:44:14.180 But here's the question.

00:44:16.140 First of all, what's, granted, it's embarrassing seeing your dad naked in the tent, but why would

00:44:21.760 that make you upset?

00:44:23.780 Why would that anger you so much that you would curse your grandson?

00:44:27.100 Because I remember when, when, when my grandfather, before he passed away, he had multiple sclerosis.

00:44:31.500 He lost, you know, he, his muscles became pretty much useless and I helped my grandmother take

00:44:36.220 care of him.

00:44:36.800 So I saw him.

00:44:37.920 I had to help bathe him.

00:44:39.380 Now it was uncomfortable for both of us.

00:44:41.440 I didn't want to see that.

00:44:42.400 And he didn't want me to see it, but you know, I was taking care of him.

00:44:43.960 So it wasn't a, so seeing a male relative uncovered again, it's not optimal, but it doesn't seem

00:44:49.880 to warrant a curse.

00:44:51.820 Yeah.

00:44:51.880 When I was younger, I walked in on my grandpa.

00:44:53.580 He was taking, uh, he was, he was taking a leak and, um, that's why you're the way you

00:44:57.400 are.

00:44:57.740 And I saw it and I saw it and, uh, and he didn't curse me.

00:45:01.480 He didn't curse me.

00:45:02.420 He just laughed at me.

00:45:03.460 He just went, well, I, this might not have anything to do with it, but I'm looking through

00:45:07.180 blue letter Bible shout out to, uh, Jay.

00:45:09.340 We, we had a rep from blue, blue letter Bible on yesterday, um, to talk about this stuff.

00:45:14.920 Yeah.

00:45:15.000 Great tool.

00:45:16.100 Leviticus 18, 11 through 13.

00:45:19.100 They're talking about the rules and it's a thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy

00:45:23.360 mother's sister for these, for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.

00:45:27.480 Uh, don't uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister.

00:45:30.920 She is thy father's near kinswoman.

00:45:33.740 And, and it goes on like for a bunch of verses about uncovering or uncovering the nakedness.

00:45:39.340 It's sexual.

00:45:40.180 And it's, it seems like a sexual thing.

00:45:43.220 Yeah.

00:45:44.300 It is sexual.

00:45:45.520 So, so that's what's at the tamest is that he was just, is that he was just naked and,

00:45:49.800 but that doesn't make any sense.

00:45:51.120 So we know just from reading, like reading it in the, in the, in the language, nakedness

00:45:55.520 and being covered and uncovered, there was something sexual happened in the tent.

00:45:59.980 Okay.

00:46:00.600 Because when he woke up, when he said he saw what his younger son had done to him, wasn't

00:46:05.260 just seeing, how would you know?

00:46:06.320 If you were passed out, somebody sees you naked.

00:46:07.980 You don't know unless they tell you, he said something was done to him.

00:46:12.040 Something happened to him.

00:46:14.040 So one idea, and this is the idea that, that, um, Dr. Michael Heiser have, and I has had

00:46:19.260 me, he's passed away and I've got great respect for him.

00:46:21.760 He, he believed that ham went in because your, your wife is considered your nakedness as a

00:46:28.240 husband.

00:46:28.700 So my wife's nakedness, her sexuality is mine.

00:46:32.320 Your wife, you know, top you and, and, and, and Raven.

00:46:35.600 And I don't know, Matt, if anyone's following Genesis 9, 24 and Noah awoke from his wine

00:46:42.680 and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

00:46:46.180 And then he curses him.

00:46:47.300 That is crazy.

00:46:48.520 Well, this is wild though.

00:46:49.940 Then he curses Cain.

00:46:51.600 Right.

00:46:52.200 I'm going to get into it.

00:46:53.260 Yeah.

00:46:54.100 Well, so there's a reason.

00:46:55.340 So I'll finish that now.

00:46:56.700 Matt, I'll let you give your, your, your thoughts.

00:46:58.480 So Heiser's thought is that ham went in and when Noah was passed out, he actually raped

00:47:04.040 his mother, Noah's wife.

00:47:07.080 Yeah.

00:47:07.700 Yeah.

00:47:08.000 And that, and why as, as, as a, as a, as a, um, a sign of dominance he's, and he went

00:47:13.840 out and told his brother, his brothers, Hey, look, I, I, well, it was just like, you know,

00:47:17.660 it's disgusting for us, but you know, culture of the time, you know, I've shown I'm the alpha

00:47:21.600 cause I just, this was culturally significant.

00:47:24.360 Right.

00:47:24.900 Right.

00:47:25.800 And then, so the question is, okay, why did Noah curse Canaan and not ham?

00:47:30.160 Cause ham was not cursed.

00:47:31.240 Cause there's this idea.

00:47:32.300 And this is where you get into racial theory because ham's ham's descendants, some of them

00:47:36.900 became sub-Saharan Africans, you know, his son, Cush, and was, he found the area of Ethiopia.

00:47:42.500 And then, you know, then, and from there you got, you know, all the sub-Saharan African

00:47:45.960 nations.

00:47:46.500 So some people will say, well, you know, it's justified to enslave people who look like me because

00:47:51.560 though we're under the curse of ham, you know, God cursed ham.

00:47:54.880 Therefore it's okay to enslave dark skinned people.

00:47:58.280 Well, there's a couple of problems.

00:47:59.200 First of all, Noah did not curse ham.

00:48:01.040 He cursed Canaan.

00:48:02.000 That means you didn't even bother reading your Bible.

00:48:03.800 And secondly, ham's descendants weren't just sub-Saharan Africans.

00:48:07.900 Canaan's, I mean, excuse me, ham's descendants were also Egyptian, Mizraim.

00:48:12.080 They were also Libyan put Canaan himself actually didn't go to Africa.

00:48:16.560 Canaan went to an area we call the Laban, Israel, because it's called the land of Canaan.

00:48:21.300 Remember so, and his other, other, um, um, he has other descendants who went to the far

00:48:27.520 East.

00:48:28.060 Do you know that ham is the progenitor of the Chinese?

00:48:31.960 If you look in, in the, um, in the, the genealogies there, there were descendants of

00:48:37.140 ham called the Senites.

00:48:38.120 And we use that word to the day, Sino, and they became the Chinese.

00:48:43.220 There, there's a, there's a treaty now called the, that the Chinese have with Russia called

00:48:46.620 the Sino-Russian treaty because they, they were descendants of the Senites who were descendants

00:48:52.040 of, of, of, um, of ham.

00:48:53.760 And if you speak Spanish, what do they call the Chinese?

00:48:57.620 The Chino.

00:48:59.120 Yeah.

00:48:59.720 They're called Chino's wife.

00:49:00.660 And that's Chino, Sino.

00:49:01.840 It's the same thing.

00:49:02.400 So my point is that there is no curse on ham.

00:49:05.400 And even if it was, it doesn't just subjugate black people because they, Ham's descendants

00:49:09.400 went everywhere.

00:49:10.600 But again, he didn't curse ham.

00:49:12.140 So Heiser believes that his, his extrapolation from this is that ham got Noah's wife, his

00:49:19.740 mother pregnant, and she had Canaan.

00:49:23.140 So Noah cursed Canaan, who was the fruit of this.

00:49:27.900 Now I will tell you, I don't agree with it, but I just want to put that out there.

00:49:31.440 I'll give you my, my interpretation next, but I don't agree with this for a couple of

00:49:35.520 reasons.

00:49:35.840 Number one, how would, I don't, well, first of all, he said he saw his younger son.

00:49:40.920 How would he know his name?

00:49:41.480 Right.

00:49:42.000 How would he know his name?

00:49:42.640 That's a solid point.

00:49:43.580 Yeah.

00:49:44.240 Secondly, he said what his younger son had done to him.

00:49:48.500 Ham was not the youngest son.

00:49:50.820 Whenever the Bible is listing male relatives, they go in order from oldest to youngest.

00:49:56.000 It's always Sham, Ham, and Japheth.

00:49:59.920 Japheth was the youngest son.

00:50:01.660 Ham was the middle son.

00:50:03.500 So he was, he couldn't have been talking about Ham.

00:50:05.380 Ham didn't do it because Ham was the middle child.

00:50:07.700 Japheth was the youngest.

00:50:08.360 Japheth did the right thing.

00:50:10.540 Him and Shem went in and covered the nakedness and Noah blessed them.

00:50:15.880 But youngest son can also mean grandson.

00:50:20.560 Where do you, where do you.

00:50:21.640 So here's my talk.

00:50:22.720 Go ahead.

00:50:23.140 Where do you get that from?

00:50:24.320 The youngest son can also mean grandson.

00:50:26.240 Has that been, is that like standard?

00:50:28.700 Yeah.

00:50:28.880 Well, if you look at it and if you, if you look at the actual language, it means his youngest,

00:50:31.680 he's basically saying his youngest male descendant.

00:50:34.520 Okay.

00:50:35.300 I understand.

00:50:36.580 Yeah.

00:50:38.040 So Kane, my, so here's, so that was Heiser's theory.

00:50:41.200 My theory is that the perpetrator was Kane, was Kane.

00:50:44.400 Kane was the one who did something wrong.

00:50:46.040 First of all, because Kane is mentioned before the incident.

00:50:48.980 It's called out that Kane, the ham was the father of Kane.

00:50:52.100 And he talks about the youngest son had done to him.

00:50:56.100 Kane did the deed.

00:50:58.500 So I, my thought is that when he goes in, Kanan, and again, we're getting, going to

00:51:04.280 get graphic here.

00:51:05.220 I believe that Kanan was having relations with a passed out Noah.

00:51:12.120 Whoa.

00:51:14.140 That's weird.

00:51:15.240 And so when Noah woke up, he saw what was done.

00:51:17.840 He knew what was done unto him because, well, he, he felt, Hey, there's something, something,

00:51:24.340 something's wrong down there.

00:51:25.380 Something's leaking a couple of points of evidence here.

00:51:30.160 What do you think about this?

00:51:31.320 You see what I'm saying with these two?

00:51:32.980 No, dude.

00:51:33.480 Well, what do you think about it?

00:51:34.700 So just tell Merkle, forget, forget about it.

00:51:37.000 We're sorry.

00:51:37.640 We're like this.

00:51:38.700 All right.

00:51:39.160 This is just who we are.

00:51:40.480 No, I don't know.

00:51:41.140 There's a lot going on here.

00:51:42.460 Well, what's your thought?

00:51:43.320 Well, you're talking about like there's, uh, you know, eight souls that have survived

00:51:48.320 the flood, dude.

00:51:49.200 And then they get out and then this, this is what happens.

00:51:51.380 Like this is a heavy deal.

00:51:52.460 Imagine getting that for your troubles.

00:51:54.200 Like we don't know how long it doesn't get, doesn't give us a clear time stamp for how

00:51:58.860 long after the flood that this happened.

00:52:01.800 So, I mean, are the eight humans that survived it, you know?

00:52:04.640 Right.

00:52:04.920 Like, but it's, it's very possible that, you know, that, that Ham's wife got pregnant on

00:52:09.260 the ark and she had the kid and he, you know, and he was old enough to, you know, to be sexual

00:52:15.840 and understand also this, that Canaan's descendants formed a little area called Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:52:24.200 Right.

00:52:24.800 And that kind of has a theme to it, doesn't it?

00:52:28.080 Yeah.

00:52:28.480 Okay.

00:52:29.740 Okay.

00:52:30.180 So, so the whole crux of it is 922.

00:52:32.480 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father.

00:52:35.640 So that could either be that he actually like went in and did stuff.

00:52:40.540 Right.

00:52:40.720 Ham went in and did stuff to his dad or Canaan went in and did stuff to his grandpa.

00:52:45.360 Or you're saying Michael Heiser says that, uh, potentially it's that the grandson went and boned his grandma.

00:52:51.300 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:52:52.400 Heiser is saying that Ham boned the grandmother.

00:52:56.340 His mom.

00:52:57.200 Yeah.

00:52:57.380 Yeah.

00:52:57.760 Okay.

00:52:58.340 Okay.

00:52:58.520 And that Canaan was, and he got her pregnant.

00:53:00.300 Canaan was the result because that's the only way in his mind it makes sense that Ham did something, but Canaan was cursed.

00:53:05.540 And I say no, because Ham, the only thing, Ham walked in on this and said, oh yeah, my, my, my son's, you know, riding grandpa.

00:53:13.080 And he goes, tells his brother, I know horrible.

00:53:15.160 Sorry.

00:53:16.600 All the Bible's raw.

00:53:17.860 I didn't, I didn't, it doesn't sure.

00:53:20.340 So Ham goes out and says, and maybe he was making fun of it.

00:53:23.300 And he was like, yeah, my son's in there, you know, dad's passed out.

00:53:26.000 And son was like, you know, humping him.

00:53:27.900 And of course, then the brothers, they don't want to see this.

00:53:30.260 Sham and Japheth are like, we don't want to see that.

00:53:31.640 We're going to, we're going to walk in backwards.

00:53:33.140 This is an abomination.

00:53:34.120 This is horrifying.

00:53:35.360 We're going to cover this up.

00:53:36.780 We're going to make sure that, you know, this is, and then Ham, then Noah wakes up and says, and he knew what his youngest son, his youngest descendant had done unto him.

00:53:46.260 So this is what doesn't make sense.

00:53:48.580 So they're saying, and Ham saw the nakedness, but Japheth is the youngest.

00:53:53.320 And yeah, well, it says younger.

00:53:55.220 I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't have it out in the Hebrew, but 924, it just says Noah woke from his wine and knew what his younger son.

00:54:01.720 It doesn't necessarily say youngest, but I don't know, man.

00:54:05.300 Well, it could be, it could be.

00:54:06.820 I mean, Geheiser is an expert.

00:54:08.500 He was an expert in Semitic languages.

00:54:09.900 So I'm not saying he's wrong, but I mean, when I was looking at the tense of it, and I may have been in the blue letter Bible, it looked like that the tense of it was not just younger, but young, but his younger descendant.

00:54:22.760 And then, yeah, because why would he, again, again, so the language wouldn't make sense if it was just a younger son.

00:54:28.300 And granted, Ham was younger than Sham.

00:54:30.520 Sham was the oldest, but that just seems an odd way to phrase it.

00:54:34.800 If he's talking about Ham.

00:54:36.000 To your point about the time here, like, I know we always read these stories, like this whole thing happened in five minutes, but like, I mean, Noah woke from his wine.

00:54:45.120 Who knows if like an hour or two goes by, maybe the wife comes in and goes, Noah, you won't believe what just happened when you're passed out, bro.

00:54:51.460 You have to stop with the wine, dude.

00:54:53.160 This has gone overboard.

00:54:54.900 Maybe she explained to him what happened while he was passed out.

00:54:58.180 Maybe he just knew something was wrong.

00:54:59.960 But the thing to me that's so crazy, and then I just don't think people are serious about today is like, he put a curse on a dude, and it was real.

00:55:07.080 Oh, yeah.

00:55:07.480 Oh, yeah.

00:55:08.120 So basically, he puts these words on this dude, and there's no going back.

00:55:13.060 And Matt, that's why I tend towards Kanan being the culprit, whether he had sex with grandpa or grandma.

00:55:19.700 I mean, he could have done the, it could have been grandma that he had the intercourse with.

00:55:23.000 But whatever he did was so bad that Noah cursed him.

00:55:28.860 And that was a heck of a curse.

00:55:30.400 It wasn't just like seeing his nakedness.

00:55:32.740 This is also the idea of when we're talking about, I forget which, I think it's like Genesis 21, where it's like whoever blesses Israel shall be, whoever curses Israel shall be cursed.

00:55:43.780 Yeah, this is, I mean, that's the significance.

00:55:46.240 And that's even the same book.

00:55:47.600 So this is what we're talking about, like a generational curse for the rest of time.

00:55:51.700 Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

00:55:53.480 Yeah, so Noah was furious at Kanan.

00:55:57.320 If Ham was a perpetrator, why didn't he curse Ham?

00:56:01.460 And if Kanan was just a result of Ham getting his wife pregnant, well, that's not the kid's fault.

00:56:11.540 I mean, I know personally, I know a lady personally who was the result of rape.

00:56:15.820 A man raped her mother, but she had her.

00:56:19.880 And this is the most wonderful woman ever.

00:56:22.300 She has kids and grandkids.

00:56:24.360 She's amazing.

00:56:25.380 She didn't do anything wrong.

00:56:27.100 So she was the result of a horrific act.

00:56:30.140 But that didn't affect who she was.

00:56:32.700 We got to talk to Doc Brown of Prometheus Lens Podcast.

00:56:38.380 Prometheus, I'm sorry, Prometheus Lens Podcast, because last time we talked to him about the

00:56:42.200 coat of many colors, he like he has this theory and I forget how it goes.

00:56:47.500 It's been so long.

00:56:48.100 It reminded me that in that scripture there when they cover him with the garment, cover him

00:56:52.260 with the garment.

00:56:52.740 Right.

00:56:53.220 And that's like way off topic.

00:56:54.260 But no, but it's interesting because it's just like, well, no, no, no, this is our thing.

00:56:58.460 What I'm saying is how much you can pull from this like very brief moment.

00:57:04.800 Versus three verses.

00:57:05.980 And then it's like, look how much heavy speculation is happening right here.

00:57:10.040 And then you go, what about the coat of colors, dog?

00:57:12.360 Like, what about the garment?

00:57:13.280 And you're like, oh, my God, man.

00:57:14.840 Like, that's a it's just so it's so crazy how it didn't didn't didn't someone say they

00:57:19.180 thought it was the the the the coat of skins that Ethan Nimrod had that

00:57:23.980 Esau got from him or something like that.

00:57:25.960 Yeah, it was like the the priestly robes of the Nakash in the garden that were stripped

00:57:29.240 off.

00:57:29.560 Oh, right.

00:57:29.920 Like given to Adam and then they were passed down.

00:57:31.900 And the last time you see it is like Joseph where he's wearing the, you know, this coat

00:57:35.780 of many colors.

00:57:36.380 But it's referencing, I think, Ezekiel 18, where he's talking about, you know, your garments

00:57:42.180 were of topaz.

00:57:43.220 And yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:44.600 And what Doc does is he manages to, like, create this thread.

00:57:48.180 And it's like, albeit it's loose, it's still very compelling and interesting.

00:57:51.320 And he's like, I think I can trace it.

00:57:53.180 Like it disappears for a brief moment and then reappears.

00:57:56.960 And it seems that it was on the arc with Noah and then eventually makes it all the way

00:58:01.120 down to Joseph.

00:58:01.780 And then that's if this if this garment did exist, it would have had to been on the arc.

00:58:06.840 Yeah, because then it shows up the coat of many colors where like the the the wheat boughs

00:58:13.060 before Joseph.

00:58:15.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:15.920 It's like this thing.

00:58:17.840 Something is going on with it.

00:58:19.420 Yeah.

00:58:19.720 And his brothers had envy over it's not.

00:58:21.220 I don't think it's just a do you what do you think, Mac?

00:58:23.260 Is he he's making faces?

00:58:24.360 Do you think this is just no, I'm just trying to remember.

00:58:26.580 Is that in Jasher where it tells that story that like Shem got the got the coats?

00:58:31.680 Oh, I forget.

00:58:32.560 Somebody somebody got the original coats that got put on Adam.

00:58:35.540 Well, what I saw when Jasher was that if I could be wrong in this, I haven't read Jasher

00:58:39.500 in a long time.

00:58:40.000 I thought that it was the the skins that God made for Adam and Eve after they sinned.

00:58:44.040 Yeah.

00:58:44.280 And that got passed on.

00:58:46.320 And eventually, yeah, right.

00:58:47.420 Shem got it.

00:58:48.020 And somehow some say it ended up with Nimrod, which is why he became a great hunter.

00:58:52.660 And then they say it went right.

00:58:54.100 It went down to Esau.

00:58:55.940 But Esau gave away his birthright.

00:58:57.680 So then maybe that's how Jacob.

00:58:59.940 The weird thing about clothes and stuff, bro, is like, OK, like the coat of many colors.

00:59:04.860 But then what about like the Urim and the Thummim in the that the priest?

00:59:08.120 What's that?

00:59:08.520 Bro, that's like crazy stuff.

00:59:10.180 Is that like the Tohu Abohu?

00:59:11.660 Tohu Abohu?

00:59:12.100 No, no, no.

00:59:12.780 The Urim and the Thummim and it had like the 12 stones.

00:59:15.260 Ed knows what I'm talking about.

00:59:15.960 The breastplate.

00:59:16.820 The priest had it.

00:59:17.380 And you would like consult with it.

00:59:18.780 Like David consulted with it.

00:59:20.520 With the stones.

00:59:20.980 They would wear that same robe because it resembled.

00:59:25.020 I mean, in Ezekiel 18, it resembled what Lucifer was wearing.

00:59:28.360 Isn't that something interesting, too?

00:59:29.560 Because it's like, he was a high priest.

00:59:32.080 He was a high priest, right?

00:59:32.580 Because that was that was referencing.

00:59:34.200 Yeah, because he was a high priest.

00:59:36.140 So yeah, he was he was he was the high priest of the time in the heavenlies.

00:59:40.040 That was his job.

00:59:40.800 He was he was the anointed cherub.

00:59:42.520 Anointed is the same word.

00:59:43.640 Mashiach.

00:59:45.560 Anointed Mashiach Messiah.

00:59:46.560 Oh, that's it.

00:59:48.360 That's what it means to be.

00:59:49.080 The anointed one is the is the Mashiach.

00:59:51.280 Isn't a New Jerusalem said to appear like a like this sort of floating city of many stones or something like the bottom of it appears.

01:00:00.720 Yeah.

01:00:00.740 Yeah.

01:00:00.860 The foundation stones of the New Jerusalem are made of all those different precious stones, you know, Jasper and Amnesty and, you know, Topaz, all those.

01:00:09.980 Yeah.

01:00:10.180 All those 12, 12 foundations, those 12, 12 jewels.

01:00:13.400 That's an interesting.

01:00:14.600 It's amazing because it's like when God does something that's like significant, it it fractally repeats itself.

01:00:20.220 It does.

01:00:20.780 Yeah.

01:00:20.820 It does.

01:00:20.880 It does.

01:00:20.920 It does.

01:00:20.960 It does.

01:00:21.220 It does.

01:00:21.580 Yes.

01:00:21.720 Just today on tinfoil hat, some guy was like, oh, you know, like, uh, Jesus rising in three days.

01:00:25.820 It's like the sun, the equinox.

01:00:27.320 And it's like three days.

01:00:28.020 It's like, yes.

01:00:29.880 Yeah.

01:00:30.260 Yes.

01:00:30.840 Yeah.

01:00:31.060 That.

01:00:31.440 And there's a fractal nature to reality.

01:00:33.180 Yeah.

01:00:33.320 And Jesus Christ echoes in the minutiae and the.

01:00:36.940 It's just funny when they go.

01:00:38.000 Oh, and that's why it's just a right story.

01:00:40.220 It's actually incredible.

01:00:41.660 Yeah.

01:00:41.720 Because the paganistic stuff, they hijack or appropriate this stuff.

01:00:45.200 Oh, yeah.

01:00:45.720 The Bible copied us.

01:00:47.060 No, you copied the Bible.

01:00:48.020 You copied God's word.

01:00:49.660 You didn't copy you.

01:00:50.840 You copied him.

01:00:51.840 He taught all this stuff to Adam.

01:00:53.640 He taught Adam, the stars, you know, the message in the stars, the Maseroth.

01:00:57.420 He taught them.

01:00:58.100 He taught all this stuff to Adam, who passed it down to his descendants.

01:01:01.300 And then when you get to Babel and the languages are confusing and everyone, you know, goes every which way and they each have their high priest, their priest with them.

01:01:09.500 Well, yeah, they just take it and they just turn it into all the legends that they have.

01:01:13.600 That's why you have the same type of stories appearing in all these different cultures around the world.

01:01:17.200 And they say, well, you know, Jesus was like the silly movie Zeitgeist.

01:01:21.820 Well, yeah, they just made up Jesus based on Horus and Osiris.

01:01:25.360 No, they made up Horus and Osiris based on the original plan of salvation that God put in the stars.

01:01:31.180 Well, I'm saying like, so shout out to the biblical hitman here.

01:01:35.060 He said, I'd say it was all a mimic in which in which the nature, which is the nature of sin.

01:01:41.420 But it's more than just a mimic.

01:01:43.160 It's like it's an inversion.

01:01:44.800 It's a no, I mean, listen, that that solstice that lasts three days where the sun remains in in its place for three days.

01:01:51.720 God does that.

01:01:52.700 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:53.420 And then Jesus, right.

01:01:54.680 It's like it's all done on purpose.

01:01:58.060 And the reason is done on purpose of it.

01:01:59.540 Yeah, one of the reasons, guys, we talked, I think you may have touched on this in one of our previous episodes, is the question of like, if you're in a part of the world where you've never seen a Bible and you've never had a Christian witness to you, how can you be saved?

01:02:12.220 Because you see, God put all of his, God put his story everywhere.

01:02:17.560 So there's no excuse.

01:02:19.220 So you can be someone in the jungles of wherever.

01:02:21.540 You know that, first of all, atheists are only a part of what we call civilized world.

01:02:26.960 There's no one in the jungles who doesn't believe in the supernatural.

01:02:31.780 They know it exists.

01:02:33.320 But God tells his story everywhere.

01:02:36.320 You know, Paul said himself, the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork.

01:02:40.620 So, you know, there's a God.

01:02:42.020 So there's no one on earth with an excuse.

01:02:44.100 But the point is that, yeah, we have the story of Jesus with the sun.

01:02:48.240 We have it everywhere.

01:02:49.460 Can we just go back a little bit, Ed?

01:02:51.420 You referenced the Tower of Babel.

01:02:53.220 And you said that, like, they took all the different nations.

01:02:56.780 Now they get these languages and they each kind of cultivate their own priests within that language.

01:03:02.540 So you'd come down with Michael Heiser then on, like, the Deuteronomy.

01:03:06.360 Is it 32?

01:03:07.280 Yes, 32 world view.

01:03:08.040 Like, 8, 9.

01:03:08.840 Yeah, right.

01:03:10.980 Where, like, the Septuagint spells it out that it's like that's when the nations got divided up to false gods.

01:03:16.840 Yeah, it says that in Deuteronomy, in some versions, it says that he divided the nations according to the sons of Jacob, the sons of Israel, which, well, that doesn't make any sense because Israel hadn't existed.

01:03:27.880 Hadn't existed, yeah.

01:03:29.080 But the actual translation is he divided the nations up according to the number of the sons of Elohim, the sons of God, the angels.

01:03:36.160 Yeah.

01:03:36.340 Because there were 70.

01:03:37.300 There were 70 angels on his council.

01:03:39.680 And you think those dudes were communicating with somebody in each of those nations that kind of became the priest for that nation and kind of just took all these false stories that kind of mingled with the true story?

01:03:51.080 So here's what I believe happened.

01:03:52.800 I'll make it as short as I'm capable.

01:03:55.720 First off, Ed, we got time.

01:03:56.140 We got time.

01:03:56.660 Really excited about the in-person Bohemian group.

01:04:00.300 Oh, my God.

01:04:01.320 Are you sure he's coming from Cali?

01:04:03.260 That's a long way, man.

01:04:03.940 I'm going to drive and get him.

01:04:05.040 Yeah, I respect that.

01:04:06.520 Can I say that really quick?

01:04:07.260 We're going to get in a Winnebago and just roll.

01:04:09.820 Just in the middle of the night, throw him in a van.

01:04:12.780 For the audience who's listening, man, like, especially that first VIP night, we're doing it here.

01:04:17.560 It's going to be comfy, cozy.

01:04:18.580 We're going to hang out with the fans.

01:04:19.720 We're going to do a five yard.

01:04:21.140 What?

01:04:22.340 Whether or not he objects, it doesn't matter.

01:04:24.560 Raised by wolves.

01:04:25.240 We're going to fill this place out.

01:04:26.860 We're going to do Bible studies.

01:04:27.860 We're going to hang.

01:04:28.540 We're going to eat.

01:04:28.980 We're going to drink some quality coffee from the standard coffee shop.

01:04:32.880 And we're going to get to see Ed and touch him.

01:04:36.100 It's going to be awesome.

01:04:37.220 I'll make it weird.

01:04:38.080 That's going to cost extra.

01:04:39.560 No, it's not.

01:04:40.500 Come on.

01:04:41.300 Are you going to charge friends?

01:04:42.720 No, you got to at least put a $10 bill in my waistband or something.

01:04:46.120 Fine.

01:04:46.860 Fine.

01:04:47.380 Fine.

01:04:47.580 What's the scripture for Deuteronomy 32?

01:04:51.060 Is it 9?

01:04:51.520 Is it 32?

01:04:52.400 I think it's 8 and 9.

01:04:52.780 It's Deuteronomy 32, the exact verse.

01:04:54.740 If you look it up specifically in the Septuagint, like he's saying, it says the sons of God.

01:04:59.500 It doesn't say the sons of Israel.

01:05:00.940 Yeah.

01:05:01.180 It's part of the song of Moses.

01:05:03.640 I've been a big fan now of this blue letter Bible thing.

01:05:05.700 Dude, it's the best.

01:05:06.080 I'm just looking at it constantly.

01:05:07.260 It's like, whoa, dude.

01:05:08.320 Effective tool?

01:05:08.880 I think it's 9.

01:05:09.800 For the Lord's portion of his people, Jacob.

01:05:11.820 Yeah.

01:05:12.060 There's a lot of that.

01:05:12.680 Okay.

01:05:13.540 Very cool.

01:05:14.120 Very cool.

01:05:14.680 We like that.

01:05:15.020 Wait, wait.

01:05:15.260 But that's what that's saying.

01:05:16.680 It's going 328.

01:05:18.180 It says, when the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of God,

01:05:22.980 is what it says in the Septuagint, he set the bounds of the people.

01:05:26.220 No, I'm sorry.

01:05:27.380 When he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the sons of God.

01:05:33.100 Right.

01:05:33.460 Which is where he's saying, like, for each of the nations, that's where sons of God started to rule over.

01:05:39.000 And then this is the offensive line for a lot of people.

01:05:41.180 Verse 9.

01:05:41.680 For the Lord's portion is his people.

01:05:43.460 Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

01:05:44.880 He's saying he's the God over that nation.

01:05:47.120 Exactly.

01:05:47.600 God gets to do whatever he wants.

01:05:48.700 For whatever reason, he said, look, I'll let you all have your nations and stuff,

01:05:52.200 but I'm going to have a nation, too.

01:05:54.180 Right.

01:05:54.340 So what happened was.

01:05:56.980 All right.

01:05:57.440 So what happened was after Babel, you know, God was dealing with people one on one.

01:06:01.200 Then after Babel, he says, I'm going to deal with you as nations now.

01:06:04.660 And so so all the nations I'm going to have my own nation is Israel, who I will deal with you.

01:06:11.320 I will deal with you through them.

01:06:12.240 You know, bless them, bless you, curse you, we curse them.

01:06:13.860 But they were supposed to take the law.

01:06:15.900 They were supposed to be his ambassadors.

01:06:17.320 What was supposed to happen?

01:06:18.180 We see it's also in Deuteronomy 28.

01:06:19.480 They were supposed to obey the law of God and then they were prospered greatly.

01:06:23.220 Then the other nations would say, oh, look at these people in Israel.

01:06:26.220 Why are they doing so great?

01:06:27.560 When they say, well, because we obey the law of Jehovah.

01:06:29.460 Oh, well, we want to know that.

01:06:30.780 Great.

01:06:31.100 Come on in and you can learn the laws.

01:06:32.880 And they were supposed to evangelize the world.

01:06:34.580 Of course, they didn't.

01:06:35.400 They kept screwing up.

01:06:36.200 But back to the Elohim and he divided the nations into 70 based on his 70 Elohim on his council.

01:06:42.820 Then you have Psalms 82, where he tells them that basically I'm paraphrasing that I put you over the nations to judge them well and to be fair.

01:06:52.300 But you all fell.

01:06:53.760 You are you are Elohim, sons of the most high.

01:06:56.800 But you will die like men.

01:06:59.960 Do you remember that?

01:07:02.120 Sorry to interrupt.

01:07:03.680 But this is a sorry.

01:07:04.680 Do you remember that that fun theory we were talking about?

01:07:08.560 Like just like the afterlife.

01:07:09.620 What do you do in heaven?

01:07:10.420 We had like two episodes on that or something like that.

01:07:12.600 And you were saying it touches a little bit on like Mormonism.

01:07:15.860 But it's like, yeah.

01:07:16.580 Well, what if God when you when you when you get there?

01:07:19.380 What if God's like, all right, you see how you do.

01:07:21.360 That seems like what that we get versus baby.

01:07:24.300 No, I don't want that.

01:07:25.240 I don't want all that responsibility.

01:07:27.040 No, no.

01:07:27.500 He does talk about he'll make you ruler over territories.

01:07:30.320 Yeah.

01:07:30.580 It's like if you've been a good and faithful servant.

01:07:32.200 Yeah, I'll give you five.

01:07:33.580 I'll give you ten cities.

01:07:35.360 I don't know if he's not like.

01:07:36.920 Look, God had God had rule over Israel and Israel is like, oh, still a mess up.

01:07:41.400 How good are you going to do?

01:07:42.460 It's like it's almost like I'm going to.

01:07:44.060 Yeah.

01:07:44.460 If you're going to ask me to do that, I'd be like, I'm good.

01:07:46.720 I'll just I'll just show you.

01:07:47.580 I think one thing we said before that you have to understand about Israel is like if say you have

01:07:51.560 like a bunch.

01:07:52.080 I think Derek Prince used to explain like this.

01:07:53.780 If you have a bunch of kids.

01:07:55.240 You have a big bag of candy.

01:07:56.540 You could evenly distribute to each of the kids the candy.

01:07:59.400 Right.

01:07:59.960 Or you could give it to one kid and tell him to distribute it to the rest of the kids.

01:08:04.160 And that's all God did with Israel.

01:08:05.600 Right.

01:08:05.900 And where they've run into a mistake is where they were like, yeah, we got the bag of candy.

01:08:09.760 So like we're the good ones.

01:08:11.180 Do you see what I'm saying?

01:08:12.300 And so the mistake now was like the church can do the same thing.

01:08:15.020 You see the church kind of do that and kind of close off and go, yeah, we're the blessed

01:08:18.600 ones after the world.

01:08:19.760 I'm going to need you to take it easy because Ed actually is a 501 C3.

01:08:24.380 That's right.

01:08:24.980 I'm fine with 501 C3, especially if he's not doing announcements, five songs in a speech

01:08:29.640 on Sunday morning.

01:08:30.420 I don't see him doing announcements.

01:08:31.340 I like the songs.

01:08:32.380 I think they're nice.

01:08:33.140 They're very nice.

01:08:33.700 That's exactly what a 501 C3 is for.

01:08:35.920 It's not to take in people's money and build buildings and buy land and play that game.

01:08:40.620 That's a banger song.

01:08:41.500 He's on the team now, which I don't want to get into.

01:08:43.580 It's a good music.

01:08:44.760 It's a good song.

01:08:45.320 He's like in the game now.

01:08:46.760 You were just showing us Christian music the other day.

01:08:48.740 Do you listen to Christian music again?

01:08:50.320 I've been here twice today.

01:08:52.640 It depends.

01:08:53.300 It depends.

01:08:53.660 Also not a great enjoyer of Christian music.

01:08:55.840 I think you and Ed, you and Ed are, Ed likes Misty Edwards, dude.

01:08:59.300 Do you like Misty Edwards?

01:09:00.180 I don't even know who that is.

01:09:01.740 Come on, man.

01:09:02.560 What are you talking about?

01:09:03.700 Nobody knows who Misty Edwards is.

01:09:04.640 I'm a lot older than Ed.

01:09:05.720 It's fine.

01:09:06.020 Oh, my God.

01:09:07.420 All right, please.

01:09:08.060 Let's bring it back.

01:09:08.740 Can we get back to what we're talking about?

01:09:09.280 Okay, but I wanted to just wrap up what Matt was asking about the separation of nations.

01:09:13.580 Basically, you have Nimrod, Semiramis, and their son, Tammuz.

01:09:19.480 Semiramis leads the worship of Nimrod as the sun god.

01:09:23.120 And her and Tammuz, she's the queen of heaven, and Tammuz is the divine child.

01:09:27.640 And so when they divide up into all the different nations, all of her priests take that mother-child cult with them.

01:09:35.360 That's why all the religions around the world always have a father god, a divine mother, a mother, a queen of heaven, and a divine child.

01:09:43.420 You go to Osiris, Horus, and Isis.

01:09:47.040 The same thing, you go to Norse mythology.

01:09:48.720 You have Odin.

01:09:49.580 You have Thor.

01:09:50.240 You have Freda.

01:09:51.460 You go all around the world.

01:09:53.120 You have Zeus, Aphrodite.

01:09:54.940 Sorry?

01:09:55.800 So-called Virgin Mary.

01:09:57.260 Exactly.

01:09:58.200 Well, exactly.

01:09:58.700 She's not a virgin.

01:09:59.540 The Catholic brothers and sisters, bro.

01:10:01.020 What do they call her?

01:10:02.120 They call her the Virgin Mary the queen of heaven.

01:10:04.100 Queen of heaven, yeah.

01:10:05.080 Yeah.

01:10:05.500 Oh, it's wild, bro.

01:10:06.560 Yeah, that's a weird thing.

01:10:08.000 That's a really weird thing.

01:10:08.420 So what I have loved ones in that system, I love them.

01:10:10.700 And there's a lot of people I love in that system.

01:10:12.380 But that system is so wild.

01:10:13.840 Yeah.

01:10:14.160 And right now, we're getting hit with like, you know, we were talking about like this idea of witchcraft before.

01:10:17.780 That really stems from like this, what would be perceived as the divine feminine.

01:10:20.860 It just dawned on me.

01:10:21.680 It dawned on me that Matt will probably get on Miracle's show before us.

01:10:25.760 Because us never.

01:10:28.020 Even if we got on Miracle's show.

01:10:29.440 No, I don't want to.

01:10:29.940 I don't want to.

01:10:30.240 I don't want to.

01:10:30.860 I don't want to.

01:10:31.500 I don't even want to go there.

01:10:32.480 It's fine.

01:10:32.800 Talk to Matt.

01:10:33.360 Yeah, it's fine.

01:10:33.620 He likes you guys.

01:10:34.680 He does.

01:10:35.220 No, I make it weird, man.

01:10:36.460 I like Miracle, too.

01:10:37.460 Miracle loves you guys.

01:10:38.420 No, it's weird.

01:10:39.220 I mean, let's not get carried away.

01:10:39.960 I'm going to DM him right now.

01:10:41.080 You guys probably didn't know him, but I already know him.

01:10:42.720 I don't know.

01:10:43.460 Wait, did we tell the audience that that this guy has a long list of DMs that he sent to Joe, bro?

01:10:48.580 Andrew Huberman responded to me, bro.

01:10:50.880 We're here setting up the other day.

01:10:57.020 Who's that?

01:10:57.860 And then he goes, dude, I've set up a line of communication with him.

01:11:02.280 And I go, what does that mean?

01:11:03.100 And he goes, he liked my comment.

01:11:05.540 I'm like, that's not how this works.

01:11:06.260 That's not a line of communication.

01:11:07.260 And also, you cannot send Joe Rogan 15 consecutive DMs.

01:11:11.800 He's going to read them at some point and be like, damn, this dude knew what's up.

01:11:14.600 I appreciate this.

01:11:16.300 He's going to.

01:11:17.220 I literally buy Alpha Brain.

01:11:19.260 He's going to cut me off.

01:11:21.200 Don't buy that.

01:11:21.740 Well, no, he used to rag.

01:11:22.740 I think he's changed now.

01:11:23.680 But when I used to listen to him, he used to rag the scripture, but it was stuff that

01:11:26.520 was easily refutable.

01:11:27.520 And I would just text him and say, bro, listen, man, you're missing it because of this.

01:11:30.660 He's come around now.

01:11:31.920 He has come around and I don't know what to make of that.

01:11:35.420 I mean, I hope so.

01:11:36.260 You know what I mean?

01:11:36.620 That's all.

01:11:37.120 I just hope so.

01:11:37.960 Well, I think he's on a journey.

01:11:39.280 You end up at Jesus.

01:11:40.720 I always told my family this.

01:11:42.020 I said, dude, this guy, like he was doing, he was like liberal.

01:11:44.780 So you come around to Jesus.

01:11:47.040 If you seek truth, you end up at.

01:11:48.960 Okay.

01:11:49.140 Yeah.

01:11:49.280 So like, I'm not saying that everybody who looks like they're going after truth ends

01:11:53.960 up at Jesus, but people who are genuinely seeking truth, you end up at Jesus.

01:11:58.480 Yeah.

01:11:58.640 I agree.

01:11:59.080 You might get, some people get caught up on like cultural idea of what Jesus Christ is.

01:12:04.280 But if you're earnestly seeking the truth, you get caught up on that dumb stuff.

01:12:08.300 Brian from Demon Racers would say, seek and you shall find.

01:12:11.600 That's right.

01:12:12.260 Sorry.

01:12:12.600 It also says, seek, get out of me.

01:12:14.060 Please, please continue.

01:12:15.220 We love Brian.

01:12:16.000 I love Brian.

01:12:16.540 He's awesome.

01:12:17.180 He crushes.

01:12:17.520 Yeah.

01:12:18.140 So, so just, just to wrap it up.

01:12:19.440 So when, so when the Elohim were over all the 70 nations and they were all worshiping

01:12:22.980 the mother child cult, they started worshiping the Elo, the Elohim.

01:12:26.380 And we talked before about this guys that worship to these, it's like heroin to these

01:12:30.500 interests.

01:12:30.760 They can't handle it.

01:12:31.780 They want more of it.

01:12:33.040 And that's why they all fell.

01:12:33.980 They all fell because they started accepting worship.

01:12:36.480 And that's when you end up with the Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece.

01:12:39.500 Why?

01:12:39.960 Because if you have everyone in your nation worshiping you and you're a heroin addict and you

01:12:44.080 want more worship, the only way you can get more worship, you have to conquer

01:12:46.800 another nation and get them to start worshiping you so you could have more and more.

01:12:50.320 And that's really the origin of the reason for all of these wars we have.

01:12:53.920 They're trying to consolidate power.

01:12:55.240 They want more worshipers.

01:12:58.060 Yeah.

01:12:58.640 Yeah.

01:12:58.940 And I think people make the mistake of thinking like the demonic realm is all on the same

01:13:02.640 team.

01:13:03.020 And it's like, no, I mean, Satan has a kingdom.

01:13:05.720 And so in a certain sense that you could make that argument, but they all have their own

01:13:09.780 agenda.

01:13:10.160 I talk about that a lot on Merkel's show because he agreed.

01:13:13.480 He was like the same way.

01:13:14.540 He's like, yeah, dude, I can't get anyone to agree with me.

01:13:16.620 I'm like, I agree with you.

01:13:17.720 I think we're on the same page.

01:13:18.680 Is the dude Merkel a Bible reader?

01:13:20.080 Yeah.

01:13:20.320 Sorry.

01:13:21.080 He's great.

01:13:21.640 He's a Bible reader.

01:13:22.820 Yeah.

01:13:23.040 He's straight Bible.

01:13:24.720 One of my friends, this guy, Scott Horton, he's wrote like mad, mad books on the Middle

01:13:29.280 East, mad books, straight up books, like straight books about the Middle East.

01:13:33.420 But it's like when you read them and you, you start to pay attention to how many different

01:13:37.500 factions just are in like the, just because they're dealing with Muslims.

01:13:41.540 Yeah.

01:13:41.640 The Houthis, the Syrians, it's like, I can't even name, but there's like 50 factions all

01:13:46.260 fighting against each other within Islam, within the Shia country.

01:13:51.280 It's insane.

01:13:52.420 Yeah.

01:13:52.720 So now we're talking about like a everlasting supernatural realm.

01:13:56.560 And you're like, yeah, there's only one guy that's like, nah, dude, there's millions

01:13:59.480 of them.

01:13:59.920 They're constantly jockeying for position.

01:14:01.380 They are the embodiment of all these different sins, right?

01:14:05.740 Pride is, is you think they're all going to fall in rank and file behind one?

01:14:09.600 And it's like, no, that's not, that's not what's happening.

01:14:11.560 No, they all have the same big picture goal, which is to oppose the plan of God, but they

01:14:14.940 all have different ways of how to get there.

01:14:18.140 Yeah.

01:14:18.860 Which even ultimately in the book of revelation, when the woman rides the beast and then ultimately

01:14:23.000 the beast just turns on her and eats her.

01:14:24.900 Like, yeah, I mean, even that's a tie.

01:14:27.280 Yeah.

01:14:27.680 Because she, she represents religion and she's writing to be sort of religious.

01:14:31.380 Religion is writing, you know, the beast represents all the, all the empires and all that kind

01:14:34.600 of stuff.

01:14:35.160 She, so religion is controlling the beast until they don't need religion anymore.

01:14:38.580 They're like, well, we don't need you.

01:14:39.540 Now we're going to be all worshiping, you know, the Antichrist.

01:14:41.740 So we can just, we can burn you.

01:14:43.700 The guy said that you like, uh, Chuck Missler too.

01:14:46.260 Did you, did you read any of like Dave Hunt, the woman rides the beast?

01:14:49.120 You read it?

01:14:49.500 I did.

01:14:49.700 I have yet.

01:14:50.180 Yeah.

01:14:50.420 Chuck was one of my, Chuck was one of my mentors.

01:14:52.240 We, we were, we communicated, um, uh, you know, for back and forth before he passed on.

01:14:57.380 Yes.

01:14:57.620 I, I, it's, it's, I'm looking at it right now.

01:14:59.240 It's in my bookshelf.

01:15:00.600 I love that.

01:15:01.660 I love that.

01:15:02.340 No, that's a solid book.

01:15:03.580 But wait, so you were like tight with Chuck and talk to him.

01:15:06.880 I'm sorry.

01:15:07.440 You were tight with Chuck Missler and like talk to him.

01:15:09.500 Like, did you know him and Linda?

01:15:10.680 Like, was it like, like you knew them?

01:15:13.080 Um, yeah, yeah.

01:15:13.840 I, I, I, I met him.

01:15:14.840 I'm not gonna say that we were like tight, tight, but we would communicate like over via

01:15:18.080 email.

01:15:19.080 Um, um, we were message.

01:15:20.660 Um, he had a message board and I would talk to him there and I would see him in person

01:15:23.700 and some of his stuff.

01:15:24.360 He was in Southern California a lot.

01:15:25.660 And we, when he was down there, when he would come down there, I would try to go out if I

01:15:29.980 was able to, um, when I lived in Southern California as well, if I was able to go out

01:15:33.080 and see his stuff, I would.

01:15:34.900 I miss him, bro.

01:15:35.800 I just feel like if he was around right now, or especially through coronavirus and stuff, it'd be

01:15:39.780 like, this dude's insight right now would be just, I mean, he was talking about like

01:15:43.740 the, uh, the AI and like the, the nanotechnology.

01:15:47.020 He would be so into it.

01:15:48.940 And transhumanism, like transhumanism, he was talking about like decades ago, bro.

01:15:52.920 And was like nailing what's happening now.

01:15:55.020 I just wish he was around to explain all the stuff right now.

01:15:57.860 Yeah.

01:15:58.040 So I remember his, his wife, Nancy, she, um, you know, she like helped me not directly,

01:16:02.240 but she like gave me some material when I was going through like a really dark time,

01:16:04.720 um, in my life.

01:16:06.260 Um, she, her, her, her work really helped me.

01:16:08.620 And I, you know, so yeah, Nan, Nan was great.

01:16:11.580 Chuck was awesome.

01:16:13.520 So yeah.

01:16:14.300 I think I called her Linda.

01:16:15.360 That's my bad.

01:16:16.040 You're right.

01:16:16.280 I was going to ignore that.

01:16:17.180 I'm glad you addressed it.

01:16:18.120 Look, I want to, speaking of addressing things, I want to address a real elephant in the room

01:16:22.080 and I'm tired of not talking about it.

01:16:23.640 I feel like we're all just avoiding it.

01:16:25.180 I'm scared.

01:16:25.800 I know.

01:16:26.240 I don't want to do this.

01:16:28.120 Look, look, I know this is going to be, we have to talk about it.

01:16:32.300 We didn't get raptured.

01:16:33.880 Oh, yeah.

01:16:35.820 I was hoping to.

01:16:36.480 You don't pay attention to stuff.

01:16:38.960 Ed said he, that, uh, the cards were on nothing happening.

01:16:42.500 I remember seeing him say that.

01:16:43.760 Oh, you also, you watched the show.

01:16:44.940 Yeah.

01:16:44.960 He was like saying there's A, B, C, and D, but chances are like nothing's going to happen.

01:16:49.620 Because who was the guy?

01:16:50.640 Was it Scotty something a couple of years ago that had the whole thing with the whole way

01:16:54.680 the constellations had broken out and it was definitely pointing to the reference?

01:16:58.320 Yeah, they were talking about the 13th constellation, Ophiuchus, that like popped.

01:17:02.180 It's like, dude, you don't remember that 13th.

01:17:04.860 Dave is good for this kind of.

01:17:06.480 Oh, you guys don't know about Ophiuchus.

01:17:07.740 He's good for this kind of nonsense.

01:17:08.700 I have not heard that.

01:17:10.400 You have to educate me on that.

01:17:11.520 Let's go.

01:17:11.920 Do a quick Google search.

01:17:12.980 Go ahead.

01:17:13.400 Anybody, I challenge you.

01:17:14.440 Look up Ophiuchus, the man wrestling with the serpent.

01:17:16.840 It's the 13th constellation.

01:17:18.520 Literally popped up.

01:17:19.800 Huge thing.

01:17:20.500 Apparently, Nostradamus talked about like when the 13th constellation appears, the man with

01:17:24.240 the serpent, then the, you know, the end of days will come.

01:17:26.220 Oh, damn.

01:17:26.600 He's right.

01:17:27.200 Yeah, dude.

01:17:28.180 He's just making shit up.

01:17:30.020 All right.

01:17:30.140 He needs a Bible.

01:17:30.800 Come on, dude.

01:17:31.800 Ophiuchus is a real constellation.

01:17:33.880 The serpent bearer and is considered the 13th constellation of the Zodiac because the

01:17:38.640 sun passes through it each year.

01:17:40.120 Everybody who's watching, go back and clip the moment where I said that.

01:17:42.660 And everybody made the Matt face.

01:17:44.560 Yeah, I was like, this guy, this guy's going to talk.

01:17:47.540 It's one.

01:17:48.220 No, you did that to me with the war scrolls the other day, too.

01:17:51.520 I had no clue what the war scrolls was.

01:17:53.120 That was fun.

01:17:53.760 That's just a little fun, silly thing.

01:17:55.140 You do know some stuff.

01:17:56.540 He's good for that.

01:17:57.280 I get one.

01:17:58.300 One per episode.

01:17:59.040 He's not just a hot dog jam.

01:18:00.800 Whoa, wait.

01:18:01.720 Not just a hot dog jam.

01:18:03.260 I eat a normal amount of hot dogs like any other man would eat.

01:18:06.500 Two hot dogs is a reasonable amount of hot dogs.

01:18:09.600 Don't let these people.

01:18:10.080 I don't know.

01:18:10.240 There was like, it was, Matt said six or seven.

01:18:12.640 I had two hot dogs.

01:18:13.520 It was a lot, but I don't want to take Ed off track.

01:18:15.220 It's times valuable.

01:18:15.820 I'm sorry.

01:18:16.440 Please.

01:18:16.820 It's one of the most expensive area codes on the planet.

01:18:19.120 We didn't get raptures.

01:18:20.400 I do live in an expensive area code.

01:18:22.680 I got bills to pay.

01:18:24.660 Thankfully, I bought my house when the market crashed.

01:18:28.300 I bought my house at the height of the market.

01:18:30.100 Now it's just a burden on me.

01:18:31.720 That's like the best climate in the world.

01:18:33.440 Oh, yeah.

01:18:33.820 It was great.

01:18:34.200 Yeah.

01:18:34.420 I can't afford my house right now.

01:18:36.460 I mean, if I were to try to buy it now, I couldn't afford it.

01:18:38.740 Same.

01:18:38.940 But so, yeah, the rapture thing.

01:18:42.480 So when I was on with these guys, we talked about it.

01:18:44.500 And there were some compelling reasons.

01:18:46.880 I believe 2025 is a big year and the piece of trumpets and all that.

01:18:51.140 But what I said was I just don't want people to be disappointed because all these date setters

01:18:55.240 are always wrong.

01:18:56.420 And was there a possibility?

01:18:58.100 Sure.

01:18:58.320 But if it doesn't happen, like God didn't let you down.

01:19:01.840 The date setters did.

01:19:03.480 Don't you think also that there always is this element of God where, I mean, even like

01:19:09.540 in the Matthew 24 passage where he's like nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom,

01:19:14.940 wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes, that like every generation is like, yo, it's us.

01:19:20.680 Like, yeah, this can be us.

01:19:22.200 Like he like he has this element of where like the thing like it could every generation

01:19:26.400 can always point to biblical things, things in the stars and say it's definitely us.

01:19:32.280 But that's like top said before, you know, you have this this idea of of these gems.

01:19:36.580 He wasn't asking us.

01:19:37.400 He just did the face like I wasn't asking.

01:19:39.160 No, I love where he's going.

01:19:40.840 I'm not sure where he's going with gemstones.

01:19:42.700 Right.

01:19:42.980 And we were talking about it before.

01:19:44.020 It's like there's an element that will appear in the Bible and then it'll kind of repeat

01:19:46.860 over and over again.

01:19:47.860 There's like a theme, a boom, boom, boom.

01:19:49.500 But it's like the problem, the problem with that and what you're saying is that like every

01:19:52.600 time that repeats, it gets more intense.

01:19:54.760 It's like a snowball.

01:19:55.960 Yeah.

01:19:57.240 Sorry.

01:19:58.000 I'm just saying I want to always live like he could be coming back tomorrow.

01:20:01.200 Exactly.

01:20:01.580 Or I want to set up on my life where my descendants a hundred years from now are serving the Lord

01:20:06.000 with all their heart, mind, soul and strength.

01:20:07.620 I want to set up both ways.

01:20:08.920 Jesus has to be watchful.

01:20:10.040 He didn't say be watchful because I'm coming on this date.

01:20:11.960 He just said to remain watchful because again, this is the model of the of the ancient Israelite

01:20:16.260 marriage where, you know, the groom would propose to the

01:20:19.440 bride, he would give her gifts and then he would leave to the father's house to build

01:20:23.200 an addition.

01:20:23.700 And she would spend all of her time sanctifying herself and getting ready to be a good wife.

01:20:28.380 That was her job.

01:20:29.540 She was supposed to be doing the work of making herself ready for when the husband, when the

01:20:35.700 groom would return, he would return.

01:20:37.080 It would be a surprise.

01:20:37.980 She didn't know when he was coming, but he, she knew that it would be a surprise.

01:20:42.620 And then if she was ready off, they go.

01:20:45.200 But if she wasn't ready, then he could either break off the marriage or he could tell her,

01:20:49.500 okay, I'll give you some more time.

01:20:50.720 But if she wasn't ready, if she wasn't making herself ready, then he could say, you're not

01:20:53.680 an acceptable bride because you're not, you weren't watching for me.

01:20:57.080 You weren't getting yourself ready.

01:20:58.200 You were all just living your best life.

01:20:59.620 So the point is, if you're a Christian, you should be always being, being more and more

01:21:05.560 ready to be a good bride, meaning learning more about the husband's family.

01:21:10.700 That's what the bride was supposed to do because she was going to be the matriarch of the family.

01:21:14.300 So her job was to learn about it from who, from other women who knew about how to be a

01:21:19.720 good wife.

01:21:20.140 And that represents Israel.

01:21:21.320 Actually, Israel was supposed to be the pastor of the church.

01:21:25.480 Israel is supposed to be teaching the church how to be, why?

01:21:28.600 Because Israel was the wife of Jehovah.

01:21:31.540 So Israel is supposed to be mentoring the bride to marry the son of God.

01:21:38.420 In a sense, they have, right?

01:21:41.540 Like we have the scriptures, like when Paul was talking about.

01:21:43.880 Yes, exactly.

01:21:44.320 The Bible is our mentor.

01:21:46.600 Yeah.

01:21:46.900 He's saying like, man, I'd be cursed for my brothers if Israel would come to Christ.

01:21:52.260 Like I'd do whatever it would take for them and look at the wrong they've done, but look

01:21:57.140 at what else they've done.

01:21:58.480 They brought forth the scriptures.

01:21:59.640 They brought forth all the prophets, like all the, hopefully all of our kids' heroes

01:22:03.400 when they're little, their heroes are really all Jews, man, because we're reading them

01:22:07.340 the scripture.

01:22:07.980 Like all these stories are all about Israel.

01:22:10.420 And we owe a lot to them.

01:22:13.360 They brought forth the Messiah.

01:22:14.700 Nobody's saying they did nothing wrong because these guys get a little touchy about this topic.

01:22:17.760 Nobody's saying they did nothing wrong.

01:22:18.820 We're like super loose and chill.

01:22:20.180 And he's like, oh, I just know how you guys get.

01:22:23.140 Well, you know how you're talking about every generation.

01:22:25.020 Ed walked us off that cliff.

01:22:26.380 Yeah, it's fine.

01:22:27.020 Yeah, for sure.

01:22:27.660 We were like, but Ed is actually the one I credit Ed for saying.

01:22:30.760 He's like, no, no, no.

01:22:31.200 There's like a, there is a difference here.

01:22:33.140 There is a, there's like, you have to, this is why the, the conversation online frustrates

01:22:38.520 me.

01:22:38.720 This is why the Laura Loomer thing frustrates me because she's coming to the studio eventually.

01:22:44.420 But there is a, there is a intense conversation that needs to be had.

01:22:48.020 And there's a lot of minutia when discussing the Jews is real and, and the things that we

01:22:53.060 believe it's not just like simply one monolith, you know?

01:22:57.660 So no, when we met, you were like, the Jews are bad.

01:23:00.160 Never said that.

01:23:00.800 That's not true.

01:23:01.660 Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, bro.

01:23:03.700 When you're talking about these, these, every generation thinks that they're in the end

01:23:07.340 of days, basically, right?

01:23:08.940 And shout out to Reb Sims in the chat who dropped a little bit of a banger.

01:23:12.700 She said, birth pangs.

01:23:14.000 And it's like, when you're talking about birth pangs, um, contractions become more intense

01:23:19.700 and closer together.

01:23:20.700 So when we talk about this, like repeating cycle, that seems to happen.

01:23:24.000 And then every once in a while on the show, we'll say, but it seems as though the cycle

01:23:27.780 is shortening.

01:23:28.900 Yeah.

01:23:29.380 That really is more intense.

01:23:31.160 And getting more intense.

01:23:32.500 I'm kind of, I just want to backtrack.

01:23:35.000 I'm glad Ed brought up the, uh, the bride.

01:23:38.160 Oh, there is the, the, the bride of Christ.

01:23:41.540 No.

01:23:41.720 Yeah.

01:23:41.920 Yeah.

01:23:42.120 That, that metaphor.

01:23:42.840 Cause I tried to explain it to Matt and Matt was like, just faces.

01:23:46.100 And I did a bad job.

01:23:47.920 I'm familiar with the bride of Christ.

01:23:49.540 What are you talking about?

01:23:50.140 You're making that face.

01:23:50.900 The default face.

01:23:51.540 But, uh, what I wanted, can you explain to Matt also, um, the idea of, I know this is

01:23:57.420 like a departure.

01:23:58.800 Relaxing your face.

01:24:01.060 No, no, no.

01:24:02.260 Uh, Genesis one, where you're talking about the, uh, what is it?

01:24:06.060 Uh, like the entity from, from the deep.

01:24:08.880 You're saying that like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:12.020 That, that existed in the, within the scripture.

01:24:14.100 Where do you get that from?

01:24:14.980 Can you just explain it to him?

01:24:15.900 Cause I want it.

01:24:16.580 I kind of wanted to explain it to him, but I'm an idiot.

01:24:20.040 Right.

01:24:20.220 So when it says, good job, we can agree on that.

01:24:22.420 Wow.

01:24:22.700 So when we get in the beginning, in the beginning, God created the heavens and earth and the earth

01:24:25.760 was like, you know, and these guys, these guys, and it says that darkness was on the

01:24:34.000 face of the deep.

01:24:34.860 That word deep is the word T home.

01:24:37.440 That word T home.

01:24:39.020 Actually, if you, and again, so I'm going to circular route here.

01:24:43.340 So T home it in, um, and I believe it's either Eucharistic or Sumerian.

01:24:47.940 And, um, and if Gary Wayne was on, he correct me.

01:24:50.160 Cause I was on a show with him and he, I got one of them right.

01:24:53.100 See, you see the Eucharistic or Sumerian.

01:24:54.520 It actually means T it's the word, the word Tiamat.

01:24:58.120 Oh, oh, that, yeah, that's right.

01:24:59.520 That's right.

01:24:59.920 Tiamat is a seven headed dragon.

01:25:02.400 Yep.

01:25:02.960 So that word T home is actually, he's darkness was on the face of this dragon.

01:25:07.580 The Jewish equivalent of, of, of, of Tiamat of this, of this ancient dragon is Leviathan,

01:25:12.240 which we see in, we see in Joe, we see in Isaiah, and this is a bad, a bad guy.

01:25:17.360 So it's a, it's a large, it's a, uh, an aquatic serpentine animal that's actually a spiritualist.

01:25:23.320 It's a, it's, it's obvious it must be some kind of seraphim because the seraphim are, are, are reptilian, um, Elohim.

01:25:31.120 So this, so, so there was this original enemy.

01:25:35.000 Some people say it was Satan.

01:25:36.580 I don't think it was Satan.

01:25:37.340 I think it was a different one because Satan's in the garden, um, before he falls.

01:25:40.700 He was actually, uh, I'm going to get, uh, it's just a huge rabbit hole.

01:25:45.660 I don't want to go to around down, but I think that Satan was, was hadn't fallen at this point.

01:25:50.540 I have to think that Leviathan was a pre the first evil, the first of the original rebel.

01:25:55.900 And that's, and then we see that, you know, God defeated him.

01:26:01.260 There was a, he called, he's the one who caused the chaos.

01:26:02.960 Shem Yaza?

01:26:04.480 Do you think that he was Shem Yaza?

01:26:06.960 I don't know.

01:26:08.900 Okay.

01:26:09.340 I truly don't because the Leviathans mentioned again, he's, he's mentioned elsewhere.

01:26:12.500 Like, you know, when in Job, God says, can you draw out Leviathan with a hook?

01:26:16.780 And then in Isaiah, he says, he's going to give the people in the desert Leviathan to eat,

01:26:22.920 and they're going to celebrate over him.

01:26:24.760 So this is a, this is a spiritual entity.

01:26:27.340 And he's speaking up in poetic language here.

01:26:29.400 I mean, because the first chapter of Genesis is poetry.

01:26:32.260 So there, this is poetic language here, but he's speaking of an original rebel who took on

01:26:37.480 the form of this, this dragon Leviathan.

01:26:42.300 So you're just saying it in verse two, then it would say, and the earth was without form

01:26:45.520 and void was Tohu Abohu and darkness was upon the Leviathan.

01:26:52.080 Leviathan.

01:26:52.560 Yeah.

01:26:52.660 So darkness.

01:26:53.060 So basically God had withdrawn his light and he basically had defeated me.

01:26:58.720 He's in this, I get this from Heiser, by the way.

01:27:00.820 So this is, Heiser talks about this in Unseen Realm.

01:27:03.940 He's, he's basically, he's in, in the, in the culture.

01:27:07.480 God is literally standing over Leviathan in a, in a posture of conquest.

01:27:12.660 He had just beaten this chaos monster.

01:27:15.720 That's what Heiser calls him.

01:27:17.300 Because, um, when it says, and, uh, darkness was on the face of the town and he, and, and

01:27:21.580 the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

01:27:23.920 That word waters is mayim.

01:27:26.060 Mayim means filthy, disgusting, chaotic waters.

01:27:29.500 It could mean, or it could just mean chaos.

01:27:31.180 So he made the, he, he, he, uh, created the heavens and the earth in an orderly fashion

01:27:36.360 and then some type of rebellion happened and there was a judgment and the, and the result

01:27:42.040 of that judgment was darkness and chaos.

01:27:45.140 And then, then the rest of the chapter one is God bringing order back into the world.

01:27:51.480 And the first thing he says, let, let light be again.

01:27:54.000 So he had to bring his light back into the world.

01:27:56.580 Yeah.

01:27:56.880 We, I mean, we were looking at that yesterday because where it says, uh, well, mayim means.

01:28:01.820 Yeah.

01:28:01.980 It's nasty.

01:28:02.700 I didn't go into all that yet.

01:28:03.940 It means piss.

01:28:05.320 It's like a derogatory term for sure.

01:28:10.020 It is.

01:28:10.320 Like, it's like, you know, we say you're full of shit.

01:28:12.340 In ancient Hebrew, we say you're full of mayim in the same vernacular.

01:28:16.220 He's not pussyfooting.

01:28:18.560 Nice.

01:28:19.040 Well done.

01:28:19.600 Well done.

01:28:22.200 That's all I'm good for.

01:28:23.300 Right.

01:28:23.560 But there definitely had, it looks like there had to be some kind of judgment that took place

01:28:26.980 because, uh, in one, two, it says the earth was Tohu Abohu.

01:28:30.540 And then in Isaiah, it says that he didn't create the earth Tohu.

01:28:34.200 Exactly.

01:28:34.840 He didn't create it that way.

01:28:35.860 Something happened.

01:28:36.620 Something made it Abohu.

01:28:38.120 I don't know why you guys have to make it weird, man.

01:28:40.420 It's a cool world, dude.

01:28:40.620 I don't know why you guys have to make it weird, man.

01:28:40.700 It's a cool world, dude.

01:28:40.920 We're like trying to get to a valid point.

01:28:42.480 You guys are like, yeah, let's play games.

01:28:44.260 Let's raise my wolves.

01:28:45.040 Let's make some Tohu Abohu shirts.

01:28:46.100 Can we do that?

01:28:46.600 We're going to, you know what?

01:28:47.660 You'll have the Tohu.

01:28:48.740 You'll have the Abohu.

01:28:50.260 Oh, that's cool.

01:28:51.200 Just don't make a, don't make a Mayim shirt.

01:28:53.780 I'm with the Abohu.

01:28:55.880 They didn't even wear the Mayim shirt.

01:28:57.320 All right, fine.

01:28:59.180 I'm sorry.

01:28:59.720 Let's, man, that's interesting.

01:29:01.760 That's really interesting because that's not typically how it's ever been explained to

01:29:04.780 me.

01:29:04.960 We're just talking about a chaotic and formless earth, you know, not the heaping carcass

01:29:10.380 of a gigantic entity.

01:29:12.140 And I keep it a little more simple.

01:29:13.860 I'm just, I just keep it as simple as like, okay, he hasn't started creating yet.

01:29:17.160 Then where did the water come from?

01:29:18.520 Or to your point, where did the Mayim come from?

01:29:20.540 If he hasn't started creating, if we all agree that one, three is where he says, let

01:29:24.660 there be light.

01:29:25.400 Oh no.

01:29:26.340 What have we been in our mouth?

01:29:32.240 That's a good point.

01:29:33.540 That is, that's a.

01:29:34.620 And this is why Tony Merkel hates you guys.

01:29:36.860 I'm kidding.

01:29:37.680 He loves you.

01:29:38.300 Yeah.

01:29:41.260 You're right.

01:29:41.960 You're right.

01:29:42.320 I can't.

01:29:43.020 I don't blame him.

01:29:44.100 This is us at our best.

01:29:45.460 Ah, it is, man.

01:29:46.240 No, I've heard that.

01:29:47.040 I've had people reach out to me through Instagram and just be like, dude, they've changed a

01:29:50.440 lot.

01:29:50.740 And you came on like, dude, we've been praying for these guys, man.

01:29:57.560 They've been out of control.

01:29:58.360 That's the only reason that we're any better because people have been praying for us.

01:30:02.280 Cause it's not, no, no, no effort of our own.

01:30:05.440 The power of Christ compels you.

01:30:07.340 The power of Christ compels you.

01:30:08.580 I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

01:30:10.600 And I'm like, is that, is that normal?

01:30:11.980 That doesn't feel right.

01:30:13.000 I don't understand that.

01:30:14.480 Oh man.

01:30:15.140 All right.

01:30:15.380 Listen, we're, we're, we're, we're getting towards the end here.

01:30:18.080 We're coming up on time.

01:30:18.820 Let's get up.

01:30:20.440 Matt said he's got to work out clearly.

01:30:22.160 Look at him.

01:30:22.460 Oh, I'm just seeing why do we have to wrap it up?

01:30:24.220 Like we're chilling.

01:30:25.700 He's on West coast time.

01:30:27.300 Like everything's cool.

01:30:27.900 Also you're putting on weight and I'd like to see you shed it.

01:30:30.380 Well, you had to squeeze through here before, but it's a, it's a wide area.

01:30:33.560 No, well, can I just ask Ed, is there like a thing, Ed, that where you like really been

01:30:37.680 into lately that it wasn't a thing that you were like preparing for, for the YouTube or

01:30:41.580 whatever, but just you're in the scripture and you're like, man, this thing I've been really

01:30:45.160 thinking about a lot lately.

01:30:46.240 Well, you know what, it's actually something that I just brought up at the, um, the going

01:30:50.920 to, going to the courtroom of God about these generational curses.

01:30:54.040 That's something I, over the last couple of weeks, that's why it was just top of mind.

01:30:58.220 Because again, I'm thinking about my whole, my family and I, I was watching a, another

01:31:03.580 show of a guy who honestly, but when I first heard him, I didn't like him because he kind

01:31:07.760 of comes off, but sometimes that's like a main thing.

01:31:13.780 I know dudes that I initially was like offended by him.

01:31:16.620 Then I was like, Oh damn, they're right.

01:31:18.860 Yeah.

01:31:18.960 This guy has a big shot.

01:31:20.700 Taylor Welsh, I think is his name.

01:31:23.600 I don't know.

01:31:24.200 Never heard of him.

01:31:24.680 If you see, yeah, he has, he has a pretty big following, but he, but he's a guy who comes

01:31:27.340 across, he's as like, just kind of a, you know, a bro.

01:31:30.220 I think I know what you're talking about.

01:31:31.360 He's like a, uh, so-called, um, you know, when you're like, do the business, an entrepreneur.

01:31:36.080 Yeah.

01:31:37.080 He has that whole vibe to him.

01:31:39.980 And I was kind of, but, but, um, like Merkel said, he's actually a pretty good guy.

01:31:44.280 So I started listening to him and he's like, okay, this guy's actually smart.

01:31:46.780 I'm like, Oh wait, he's actually kind of wise too.

01:31:48.640 He just, you know, he has wisdom in, in that, but it kind of in a douchey way, but he's

01:31:52.020 actually a, a smart guy and he has some wisdom to him.

01:31:54.920 And so I was, and so I, I, I, so he was talking about that whole, he had a guest talking about

01:31:59.700 the whole corpse of heaven and I, it was really resonating.

01:32:02.660 And so I've been getting into that.

01:32:04.960 Yeah.

01:32:05.280 He had the war with Timothy Albarino.

01:32:10.060 Yeah.

01:32:10.280 I think I know exactly what you're talking about.

01:32:11.480 We don't talk about him on the show.

01:32:12.420 Yeah.

01:32:12.500 We don't talk about like the most random.

01:32:15.080 No, no, it's, we're cool.

01:32:15.960 We don't beef with who?

01:32:17.480 Okay.

01:32:17.780 But, but that was your thing was just like going, uh, into the spirit realm and like coming

01:32:22.780 before God and saying like, Hey, you know, this is stuff that's come before me, but I'm

01:32:27.360 repenting of all this stuff in my bloodline.

01:32:29.220 And yeah, I've been following the guest he had and I forget his name.

01:32:36.600 Unfortunately, I, I, I may have my YouTube feed, but he was talking about the process

01:32:41.300 and I, and I, I already knew about our ability to be in the counsel of God, that we have that

01:32:46.360 through Jesus.

01:32:46.900 So I knew that part, but he kind of emphasized the whole court aspect and the, and the fact

01:32:50.920 that, you know, God deals with us in covenants.

01:32:53.260 It might've been the dude, the war within me, Michael, he's got like Italian last name.

01:32:57.560 Cause I think I remember watching gray hair, like grayish salt pepper hair.

01:33:01.260 Yeah.

01:33:02.460 The war within me.

01:33:03.460 Yeah.

01:33:03.780 Yeah.

01:33:03.960 Yeah.

01:33:04.100 Why does that deal?

01:33:04.820 No, I just thought you were like ragging on me with the gray hair thing.

01:33:07.720 I got a couple of my beard, but I just, no, that's the guy.

01:33:10.800 That's what he looks like.

01:33:11.400 Yeah.

01:33:11.700 No, that dude is intriguing.

01:33:13.680 I'm actually, the guy who was on, his name is Robert Henderson.

01:33:17.740 Oh, that's a different guy.

01:33:18.780 So yeah.

01:33:19.420 I've seen a lot of his work.

01:33:22.360 He does know a lot about, uh, spirit realm.

01:33:25.020 Yeah.

01:33:25.320 There was something he was saying.

01:33:26.720 Yeah.

01:33:27.280 He doesn't look like that anymore.

01:33:28.360 Okay.

01:33:28.620 No, it's not.

01:33:29.020 It's not that guy.

01:33:30.160 Okay.

01:33:30.600 Yeah.

01:33:30.760 He, this guy's older.

01:33:31.560 This guy looks like he's in his, maybe in his seventies.

01:33:33.760 He's on the wall.

01:33:34.200 Ed, the guy that, uh, the, the war within me, dude, you, what do you have any thoughts about

01:33:37.620 that guy?

01:33:38.480 Um, I, I have not looked into him.

01:33:41.160 He's kind of intriguing.

01:33:42.000 He's got some fun stuff, but there was something that he had that, that threw me off a little

01:33:46.120 bit.

01:33:46.280 I think it was about this, uh, this whole rapture thing that was supposed to happen.

01:33:50.600 You know, he knew a lot.

01:33:51.660 I was watching him on like the greater and lesser keys of Solomon and the whole concept

01:33:56.600 of how Solomon had entrenched all the demonic realm with like spells.

01:34:00.340 I don't know.

01:34:00.920 It was intriguing.

01:34:01.720 It was obviously extra biblical.

01:34:02.940 We know all that stuff.

01:34:03.880 We know all about that stuff.

01:34:04.760 Cause you don't really, every time we try to talk to you about it, you go.

01:34:06.920 I just thought it was intriguing.

01:34:07.840 Well, listen, I want to, number one, I want to bring this to a close because I want to

01:34:11.740 talk to Ed off camera.

01:34:13.000 Oh, you don't understand.

01:34:14.000 We talked to Ed afterwards.

01:34:15.140 He's our friend.

01:34:16.260 Okay.

01:34:16.700 That's what this is.

01:34:17.860 Well, we consider him a friend.

01:34:19.080 Well, yeah, I don't know if it's a two way relationship, but we do this in an effort

01:34:22.500 to keep him close to us.

01:34:24.260 We have to have some Ed time.

01:34:26.220 Uh, Ed, oh, we have, uh, some super chats.

01:34:28.680 You want to read the super chats?

01:34:29.580 Let's do that.

01:34:29.960 I'll read them off.

01:34:30.220 I can't even see it.

01:34:30.940 Uh, yeah, go ahead.

01:34:32.460 Okay.

01:34:32.900 Uh, FJ fool.

01:34:33.680 Thank you for the $4 and 99 cent donation.

01:34:35.860 He says from share.

01:34:37.280 What does Ed think of once saved?

01:34:40.180 Always saved.

01:34:40.940 That's actually something.

01:34:41.400 You need more than four 99 for that one.

01:34:43.140 That's a, but the extra penny have killed you.

01:34:45.960 Um, this is something that we've actually talked about on the show.

01:34:49.060 Go ahead and take it away.

01:34:50.180 Sure.

01:34:50.780 So once they've always saved, what that means that no matter what you do, you can't lose

01:34:54.860 your salvation.

01:34:55.360 No, you cannot lose your salvation because it was a gift, but you can turn away from it.

01:34:59.620 God, where's my guy?

01:35:01.100 I knew I liked Ed, man.

01:35:02.500 That's so plain.

01:35:03.620 Isn't that so plain?

01:35:04.980 Right.

01:35:05.580 Yeah.

01:35:05.800 God will not get so hyper about it.

01:35:08.080 Making people nervous here.

01:35:09.440 I know.

01:35:10.200 I will not take your salvation from you.

01:35:12.100 There's nothing.

01:35:12.660 God says he gives his Holy spirit out without repentance.

01:35:14.700 So you are saved with God.

01:35:16.640 Now you can think of it like a gift.

01:35:18.940 If I give you a gift, you take it.

01:35:21.360 I can't, I'm not taking it back.

01:35:22.620 It's a gift, but you can, you can give it away, but I'm not taking it from you.

01:35:26.800 So, so, cause some people say once you become a Christian, you can never

01:35:29.560 not be.

01:35:30.040 It's like, well, how would, unless God partially lobotomizes you, how can you

01:35:34.740 give it away?

01:35:35.480 And it comes from Calvinism, Calvinism, you know, the, the, the, um, the five,

01:35:39.280 uh, um, steps of capital.

01:35:42.180 Calvin didn't even write that.

01:35:44.280 Like somebody like that's what's happening today is like the, uh, so-called intellectuals

01:35:48.380 today.

01:35:48.600 They aren't intellectual enough to understand Calvin's writings.

01:35:51.740 Right.

01:35:52.060 A lot of stuff I read by Calvin is fire, bro.

01:35:54.000 But like this, the way people explain it today, it's like, you, I don't, I think this is way

01:35:57.560 over your head and you can't explain it or understand it.

01:35:59.660 You're just trying to parrot a guy that you don't understand.

01:36:02.000 That's right.

01:36:02.340 So, so, so the, the P and tulip, the P and tulip is a preservation, a perseverance of

01:36:07.140 the saints, meaning that you're going to once, once you're saved, you're preordained and

01:36:10.840 you can't get out.

01:36:11.400 God puts you in a spiritual headlock and say, you can't leave.

01:36:13.800 No, you can stop.

01:36:15.000 So if someone becomes a Christian, they can stop being a Christian.

01:36:17.160 They can say, you know what?

01:36:17.680 I no longer believe.

01:36:18.900 And they're no longer a Christian.

01:36:20.280 The bigger thing to me though, is like, I just wonder, like, say, uh, somebody like came

01:36:24.980 to you on your deathbed and say like, Hey man, just to tell you like your loved

01:36:28.480 one, your, your child is not walking with the Lord, man.

01:36:31.680 And like, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry.

01:36:33.040 I don't want to be the one to tell you, you know, I can't imagine that anybody in that

01:36:36.880 moment is going to like take comfort and be like, well, that's just cause they were never

01:36:41.240 saved to begin with.

01:36:42.540 It's like, who cares, man?

01:36:44.760 Who cares?

01:36:45.200 You got to get on track with the Lord and you got to stay on track, man.

01:36:48.680 You got to never take your foot off the gas.

01:36:50.740 And like anybody who's like trying to take their foot off the gas or try to like, uh, have

01:36:55.660 some doctrine that says like, it's okay for me to like do whatever.

01:36:58.560 Cause I said a prayer one time.

01:36:59.900 It's like, I, I don't know, man, that just sounds crazy to me.

01:37:02.900 Right.

01:37:03.320 So once you become saved, you are, you are still, you are saved until, until, unless

01:37:09.180 or until you reject it, but God will not take your salvation from you.

01:37:13.020 We're closer to our salvation now.

01:37:15.720 Sorry.

01:37:16.300 Remember Paul said, we're closer to our salvation now than when we first believed.

01:37:19.700 Like, because we're, we should be growing.

01:37:21.280 We should be growing towards him.

01:37:22.420 So basically, and the reason that people get, this freaks people out because they think

01:37:26.300 that there's some sin they can commit where God will say, God will say, okay, I'm done

01:37:29.360 with you.

01:37:29.660 I can't.

01:37:30.180 No, there is not.

01:37:31.620 There's no sin.

01:37:32.520 You can commit that Jesus didn't die for.

01:37:34.580 There was a question in the Patreon.

01:37:36.480 Um, I guess we have to ask this other one, but, uh, they, they were asking about blasphemy.

01:37:40.060 That's actually the same question.

01:37:41.320 Uh, twice, I believe.

01:37:42.760 No, no, no.

01:37:43.360 That's not my mistake.

01:37:44.760 Um, they were, they were asking about blasphemy.

01:37:47.480 Blasphemy is the Holy spirit.

01:37:49.240 Blasphemy.

01:37:49.920 Blasphemy.

01:37:50.200 But to Ed's point though, you're saved by grace through faith, not a worthless enemy

01:37:53.500 and Shabbos.

01:37:54.120 You're not saved by not sinning.

01:37:55.920 Like, like, like the scripture takes, uh, like even when Peter is going to sin, uh, and

01:38:01.320 deny Christ.

01:38:01.920 And then Jesus says, Hey man, I prayed for you.

01:38:04.340 He doesn't say, I pray for you that you don't sin.

01:38:05.740 He said, I prayed for you that your faith doesn't fail you.

01:38:08.120 Right.

01:38:08.440 So, so blasphemy of the Holy spirit.

01:38:11.940 And this freaks people out too, because Jesus called, you know, the unpardonable sin.

01:38:15.500 So people were saying, okay, what, I don't want to commit this because if I commit this

01:38:18.660 sin, then, you know, and it is unpardonable.

01:38:20.540 Here's what it is.

01:38:21.020 It actually goes back to what we just said about once saved, always saved.

01:38:24.640 What is blasphemy against the Holy spirit?

01:38:26.420 Well, look at the context of what Jesus, when Jesus accused the Pharisees of that, what did

01:38:30.500 the Pharisees just do before that?

01:38:32.160 They accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub, basically Satan.

01:38:38.120 So what they did was, and Jesus said the whole, I can, we can, you will be forgiven of all

01:38:42.100 sins, except blasphemy against the Holy spirit.

01:38:43.740 Basically, they said that Jesus was doing what he did through the power of the Holy spirit,

01:38:48.020 I mean, through the power of Satan.

01:38:49.940 So if you believe that Jesus is doing something through the power of Satan, then you don't

01:38:54.880 believe that Jesus is God.

01:38:57.440 So no, you can't, if you hold that sin, no, you can't be saved.

01:39:00.480 You can't be forgiven of that because in order to be forgiven, you have to accept Jesus as

01:39:04.900 your savior.

01:39:05.680 And if you believe that Jesus is doing things through the power of Satan, then you don't

01:39:09.420 believe in Jesus.

01:39:10.720 So that's what it really comes down to.

01:39:12.220 The unpardonable sin is not believing in Jesus because you can't, you can't be forgiven without

01:39:16.380 believing in Jesus and who he is and who he, that he's the son of God.

01:39:21.420 That's why someone who's like a Muslim, for example, or even a Hindu says, yeah, I believe

01:39:25.180 in Isa, that's what they call Jesus.

01:39:26.700 I believe he was a prophet, you know, less than Mohammed.

01:39:29.580 You're not saved.

01:39:30.480 You believe he exists, but you don't believe who he is.

01:39:34.160 Demonfully and tremble.

01:39:36.280 But Ed, I think there's another layer to that too, is just that like, like, like there

01:39:43.280 was dude, there was people there who definitely blasphemed Jesus.

01:39:46.300 There was people there.

01:39:47.660 And those could have been some of those people that got saved on the day of Pentecost.

01:39:50.980 Like, I think there's an element of it as well, where it's like, you could blaspheme

01:39:53.960 the father, you could blaspheme the son, but the Holy spirit is the last manifestation

01:39:58.580 of God on the planet.

01:39:59.460 There's nothing coming after him.

01:40:01.040 Like, this is the end.

01:40:02.000 So like there, there probably was people who did blaspheme Jesus and still did end up

01:40:06.800 saved after the cross.

01:40:08.840 Right.

01:40:09.420 So let me be more clear.

01:40:10.180 If you hold on to that idea that Jesus isn't God, then you can't, he can't forgive you.

01:40:16.440 That doesn't mean if you do it once and say, because there are people, I know people who

01:40:19.520 were about atheists who said, you know, Jesus is nothing.

01:40:22.420 He's nobody.

01:40:22.820 He's just a guy.

01:40:23.440 If he even exists.

01:40:24.360 And now they're saved.

01:40:25.500 So they did blaspheme against him by saying that he wasn't who he was, but then they changed

01:40:30.540 their mind.

01:40:31.000 If you hold on to it, he can't forgive that particular sin because you're holding it and

01:40:36.800 you're not believing in him.

01:40:37.860 So what's really, I mean, after all, Paul, Paul got saved and Paul was a Pharisee, man.

01:40:44.620 The, um, a lot of the new age movement will, you know how it's like they'll accept the idea

01:40:49.640 of Jesus, but they go like, that's not what, it's not what you think though.

01:40:51.920 He's like a Pleiadian or he's an ascended master or something like that.

01:40:54.980 So it's like, you create this alternate version of what, look at it, look at how upset he is.

01:40:59.840 Um, but that's what they're doing, right?

01:41:03.980 You're talking about attributing something other than the Holy spirit being the source

01:41:09.020 of power for Jesus Christ.

01:41:10.540 And they're like, yeah, dude, Jesus is an alien, dude.

01:41:14.020 No, no, no, no.

01:41:14.680 You don't understand.

01:41:15.200 Jesus is an ascended master or something like that.

01:41:17.600 And so it's like, yeah.

01:41:18.440 And you can have Christ consciousness.

01:41:20.060 You don't have to believe it.

01:41:20.880 You can, whatever.

01:41:21.560 They don't even know what that means because Christ goofy ass thing.

01:41:26.140 Yeah.

01:41:26.540 I mean, Christ is, is the English transliteration of the Greek.

01:41:29.460 Greek Christos, which means the anointed one.

01:41:32.360 Christos is Mashiach.

01:41:33.940 We just talked about this a few minutes ago.

01:41:35.860 Mashiach is the anointed one.

01:41:37.460 It means the high priest.

01:41:38.440 So you, so you have the consciousness of a Jewish high priest.

01:41:41.740 Well, you know, like they're thinking is like, you know, there's this whole meditative process.

01:41:48.300 This is what they say.

01:41:48.900 There's like, you, what do you anoint with?

01:41:50.560 You anoint with oil.

01:41:51.380 There's something called Christos oil that exists in your spine.

01:41:53.660 You have 33 vertebrae.

01:41:54.880 That's why Jesus lived 33 years old.

01:41:56.420 If you, if you, if you meditate hard enough, you can migrate the Christos oil to your pineal gland.

01:42:02.160 And then you become an ascended master.

01:42:03.540 Like Jesus, that's Christ consciousness.

01:42:05.200 And they go like the leaps and bounds of really gay stuff to come to a really dumb conclusion.

01:42:10.100 Yeah.

01:42:11.300 As I was saying, Joe, with that, but then I do come around and a lot of the stuff, it ends up being cool.

01:42:15.940 Well, you start with the scripture, the scripture actually says that, so if you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, against the Holy Ghost, hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation is in danger.

01:42:32.500 So like, yeah, like if you do that, you are like, you're in, you're just in danger until you don't do that.

01:42:37.360 Yeah.

01:42:37.660 Then you're out of danger.

01:42:38.340 You're pussyfooting around with danger.

01:42:40.660 I think it's a good place to leave it.

01:42:42.080 Love that phrase.

01:42:42.640 They wanted to ask a last question about India.

01:42:45.500 Why is it so full of demons?

01:42:46.840 I dude, they're just bad.

01:42:48.660 Look at the, look at the pantheon.

01:42:50.080 It's literally all natural.

01:42:50.960 Because, because their worship wasn't over 300 deities they're worshiping.

01:42:55.000 Yeah.

01:42:55.540 Yeah.

01:42:55.740 And those are real things that they're not just, you know, those are real demonic entities, real fallen Elohim.

01:43:00.820 So that's why they have a lot of them.

01:43:02.580 And they're all fighting each other for, you know, a dominion over India.

01:43:06.740 And yeah, they're horrifying creatures.

01:43:07.940 India is a wild place, dude.

01:43:09.080 Dude, it is.

01:43:09.800 It really is.

01:43:10.680 Yeah.

01:43:11.540 All right.

01:43:11.780 Let's get out of here.

01:43:12.300 Because you got to ask him a question.

01:43:13.780 I got to get my wife.

01:43:14.320 No, I just wanted to talk to him.

01:43:15.160 I don't want to ask him a question.

01:43:16.360 I just miss Ed.

01:43:17.760 Wow.

01:43:18.000 Jeez, man.

01:43:18.620 Aw.

01:43:18.920 That's weird.

01:43:19.220 All right.

01:43:20.140 That's understandable.

01:43:20.580 Can we end the show?

01:43:21.640 Are you okay?

01:43:22.200 Yeah.

01:43:22.480 Are you all right with us ending the show?

01:43:23.740 I just feel like you guys are like, oh, podcasts have a time limit.

01:43:26.340 Oh, well, they do have a time limit.

01:43:28.120 I mean, they have like, you know, not everybody has a lot of time.

01:43:29.880 It's called attention span of the listener.

01:43:31.600 That's really what it is.

01:43:32.480 Yeah.

01:43:32.660 And it's all predicated on mine.

01:43:34.520 Ed, let's, before we get out of here, tell everybody where they can find you.

01:43:38.020 Sure.

01:43:38.640 FaithbyReason.net.

01:43:39.400 All my material is there.

01:43:40.420 If you become a member, then you get access to all of it.

01:43:44.020 There's still some free stuff there too, but, you know, become a member, you get access

01:43:47.080 to everything.

01:43:48.300 My Patreon, patreon.com slash faithbyreason.

01:43:51.780 If you go there, you get a bonus episode.

01:43:54.280 You get everything when it, my content, when it drops first, you get the Q and A's, you

01:43:58.140 get discounts on books.

01:43:59.320 You get to be part of the revelation series and the Genesis series.

01:44:02.080 And if you go to a higher tier, you can be part of my monthly Bible study where we

01:44:06.140 go through the entire Bible in one year from the spiritual point of view.

01:44:10.700 And of course, as it was mentioned earlier, it's a 501c3.

01:44:13.800 So you may have tax benefits.

01:44:16.240 Talk to your tax professional.

01:44:17.640 No, this is like the right use of 501c3.

01:44:20.880 Did you know he's not putting a show on on Sunday morning?

01:44:24.480 He's doing the work of the kingdom.

01:44:26.280 We got music.

01:44:27.200 We've got music.

01:44:27.940 We got lights.

01:44:28.480 We got intro music.

01:44:29.480 We got legit with tons of information and things for people.

01:44:34.060 Did you know that my first girlfriend was named Jezebel?

01:44:36.980 Did you know?

01:44:37.220 Really?

01:44:37.700 What?

01:44:38.340 When were you going to say that?

01:44:39.660 Who names their daughter that?

01:44:40.780 I'm seriously.

01:44:41.780 It's like, name your kid Adolph.

01:44:43.380 Why would you?

01:44:43.900 Oh my goodness.

01:44:44.800 We had somebody in Bible study just said the same thing the other day.

01:44:47.520 I've never heard of somebody named Jezebel.

01:44:49.400 She was very nice.

01:44:50.360 She's a very nice lady.

01:44:51.340 She said the same thing.

01:44:52.040 Those girls said the same thing.

01:44:53.200 Totally not a whore.

01:44:54.060 Not her whore?

01:44:54.500 All right.

01:44:54.740 Whoa.

01:44:55.320 I'm just saying.

01:44:56.160 All right, man.

01:44:56.740 She was nice.

01:44:57.640 It's a Christian show.

01:44:58.320 All right, guys, thanks for hanging out.

01:45:01.100 Thanks for hanging out.

01:45:02.060 We're going to talk to you for a minute, I guess.

01:45:03.900 And until next time, obey, submit, and comply.

01:45:07.900 Hold on.

01:45:08.260 How do I end this stream?

01:45:08.960 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:45:15.560 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:45:19.420 You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:45:24.760 You can't.

01:45:25.640 Because they'll fit the face of an expedition that portrays the bigger picture of us.

01:45:33.120 And they have.

01:45:41.160 Howling.

01:45:41.880 But I'm not.

01:45:42.420 All right.

Nephilim Death Squad - October 11, 2025

The Curse of Canaan w⧸ Ed Mabrie & Matt Hepner

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