The Free Range MK-Ultra Chickens w⧸ Grey Area Monarch
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On this episode of the Nedealim Death Squad, TopLobster joins us to talk about MK-Ultra Chickens, and the fact that he's wearing a shirt that matches the color scheme of one of the shirts he designs.
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Like, I'm like, I have an idea what we're going to talk about today.
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It's crazy because, no, no, it's almost unfair.
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It's diabolical that you would do such a thing.
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He's designing the t-shirts after the sneakers that he owns.
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Yeah, I mean, you can find me at Gray Area Monarch on X.
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And I co-founded Organized Safety, which essentially right now is just an intake form,
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And what that is, is that is an end-to-end encrypted anonymous platform to where survivors of MKUltra and related projects, insiders, whistleblowers, defectors, specialists, anybody with information can make anonymous reports, person of interest, locations of interest, other reports of interest, or just click help organize safety if you want to help out the cause.
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But essentially, what we've created is an anonymous intake platform.
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And you can opt in for notification if information you submit is cooperated.
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So, you know, a lot of people behind the scenes, you have all these issues like, you know, whether it be Epstein, whether it be Nygaard, whether it be Nassar, right, with, you know, the Olympic gymnast, whether it be Sandusky with the wrestlers, whether it be the Catholic Church, whether it be the Boy Scouts with 80,000 victims, whether it be all of this bullshit that's been going on getting covered up under the rug because individually people got singled out and quashed, right?
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And just covered up, what we got is to where behind the scenes, anonymously, people can collaborate and unite and build up cases, whether it be blind, whether it be a preponderance of evidence for civil cases, whether it be burden of proof for criminal cases, and kind of get that evidence built up with other people before deciding to come forward.
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And that way, you can do it in a more effective way.
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And then in addition, you're just kind of helping people that are really fighting for the cause, put together and map the network and, you know, kind of apply pressure in different ways on the back end.
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So we've been running that privately for over a decade.
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I'm teamed with people that have been doing it for over three decades.
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And we're just, you know, really making the push for actionable solutions and doing something with the information that we all have and kind of unifying as safely and as effectively as possible.
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So that I love that, you know, because, well, I got a couple of questions.
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Like, I guess the first one is what gets you into it, but also want to give you kudos, you and your wife, Emma, as Emma, Emma, Catherine, Emma, Catherine.
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She does a lot of work with SRA victims and victims of this kind of abuse, which is just like, I listen in to a lot of the spaces and I'm like, it's rough, dude.
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And I've heard you a couple of times, I think most recently on Temple Hat.
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What makes you open up a website like this a decade ago?
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So, you know, like many people, I had a fucked up childhood.
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I was raised Jehovah's Witness, which is, you know, right, weird, right, to say the least.
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You know, pretty controlled situation like a lot of these.
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And then other than that, unfortunately, you know, I just had a horrible childhood where
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Turn that to drive, you know, and, you know, try to become successful and, you know, even
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Long story short, all I really wanted to do was fuck bad people up.
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Like, you know, like, and it got to the point to where, like, I was kind of wanting to do
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I had a lot of family, friends, and people that kind of came into my life, especially around
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And, you know, had kind of helped me out in different ways.
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Long story short, I tried to join the clandestine services.
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When this all came to fruition in my early 20s, long story short, as soon as I got sworn in
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off books and was a knock, right, non-official cover embedded in the criminal underworld,
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a lot of personal favors started coming into the equation.
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It was incredibly dirty, more than I could ever imagine.
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And simultaneously, and, you know, my status in the legal underworld off books was being
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leveraged against me to do these personal favors.
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Um, simultaneously, I found out, hey, my childhood wasn't just random, horrible abuse.
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Um, I actually had been through a behavioral modification program.
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And, you know, this all just, uh, came just to a horrible, uh, you know, uh, violent collision
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You know, I found out I had split personalities, um, again, had been through this and, um, you
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So, anyways, long story short, I was legitimately imprisoned.
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I was falsely imprisoned as well due to clerical errors.
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Um, when I tried to whistleblow on this, finally, when I got released, got my record fixed.
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Um, I gathered with other people that had, uh, you know, also kind of helped me out of the
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program and helped me find out that I was in the program in the first place.
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Um, and I kind of piggybacked and expounded on the work of Valerie Wolfe at the 1995 ACHRE.
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That's the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experimentation.
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At a presidential hearing in 1995, uh, Valerie Wolfe was a therapist who presented evidence,
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um, from 40 nationwide therapists and hundreds of their clients that was blindly cooperating,
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meaning their information matched without them knowing each other.
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And there was non-public details that were brought forward, um, and, uh, you know, it's
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about child mind control, about behavioral modification, about MKUltra and MKUltra research-derived
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Um, so essentially we said, okay, this is what we need to do.
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We need to build up this, um, cooperative evidence, this cooperative testimony, blindly
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cooperative from people that don't know each other.
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So I started, uh, networking with nationwide trauma therapists.
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This is where a lot of these people surface, um, you know, and then, uh, just other insiders,
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So knew a lot of people that were still in the system, but disillusioned with it.
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And we're happy to, you know, do anything they could, right.
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Um, so anyways, over time it evolved to where we first were like, you know, getting specific
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Obviously for safety reasons that didn't, uh, you know, that wasn't the best way to go.
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So over time it evolved to, Hey, you know, we're going to get information of the locations,
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the perpetrators, you know, um, of certain program aspects that are non-public and it
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evolved into this intake form to where people can submit anonymously, but then they can create
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like a new email address and opt in to be notified.
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So if someone named someone, someone, a perpetrator, someone named a specific location, a specific
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program, uh, uh, aspects, especially things that are, aren't public.
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You're piggybacking stuff, but if you name someone that isn't public, that hasn't been
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accused publicly and then 10 other people name it, well, that's starting to have some strong
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We have people, um, then an organized safety liaison will vet everybody and then connect people,
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you know, in the background, get together and decide, Hey, do we want to pursue this?
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Do you know, what are the criminal statutes that may have been broken?
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Uh, is there a civil case, which is less, you know, which is a lower level of evidence that's
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needed, you know, to be successful, um, and just, you know, mapping out the network and
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Um, you know, a lot of, uh, brief and bureaucrats on the backend and trying to find pockets of
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people that are, aren't shit and, you know, that will actually stand up and do the right
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thing, um, which is, you know, few and far between in the world of bureaucrats and politicians
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and even at the top level of specific areas of law enforcement, because a lot of these
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areas are compromised, uh, with red tape by design, by the policy, um, or actually by
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Um, but yeah, so anyways, uh, my direct involvement, that's what led me to it.
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Um, not giving a fuck about any of the consequences, anything, deciding to do it as safe and as
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Um, but, uh, also willing to take any risks, you know, you would have to kill me to shut
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me up, you have to kill me to stop me, you know, I don't care, uh, this stuff has gone
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on long enough, uh, it's, if people look into where these survivors surface, the hard information
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of the therapeutic community, which are actively targeted as well, if they speak out, you know,
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whether it be their licenses or other even dirtier aspects to shut them up, um, you know,
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there's, it's clear that there needs to be some sort of actionable situation, like someone
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So I started, you know, I'm very, a solution oriented, right?
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So, uh, you know, I just put it together along again with other people that have been doing
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So now, you know, it's gone on for a little bit over a decade.
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And in 2022, we started bringing it public, uh, to where there's a form, a website people
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can just go to instead of like on the backend networking through the therapeutic community
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What, what program were you a part of when you were a child that you ended up finding out
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Um, and did you ever find out how you came to be inserted into that program?
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So here's the deal is there's a lot of programs and I'm not going to be naming things that
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aren't public, uh, because that, uh, kills the validity in tanks kind of like, uh, you
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know, uh, kind of like a way we vet people if they name it behind the scenes.
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But, uh, the one that is public is Monarch again, that's been watered down like greatly.
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And we can kind of get into what Monarch is because there's Monarch mind control, which
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really builds off like artichoke and has like different exact mind control mechanisms in
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there, but Monarch itself is actually a breeding and placement program.
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So, I mean, you know, people are line bred, like just like working dogs are bred, right?
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Just like, you know, horses are bred, you know, just like different things there.
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Um, a large part of that is disassociation is hereditary, but there's also like traits,
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there's aptitudes, there are things that are passed down, you know, just like if your last
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name's Baker somewhere back there in the generation, right?
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Maybe your people were bakers, maybe your people were blacksmiths, you get it.
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So, uh, yeah, no, there's a breeding program to where people are generationally bred and
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there'll be subtle, you know, interferences and, you know, intercessions where, you know,
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I mean, it's just a thing and placement, obviously, you know, just like Monarchs rule territories,
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there's placements, whether people be, uh, placed in legislative, executive, and judicial
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to unite the powers that are meant to be separate within a corrupt group, right?
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Um, or whether people are placed in, you know, as a newscaster, as an anchor, right?
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If people are placed, uh, for a major podcast, or if people are placed, you know, into the
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So it's breeding, but these things, they're done in a way, right?
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Where like, when you imagine a breeding program, you almost imagine people locked in a facility,
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you know, going through, this is much more like to, you know, to kind of pay homage
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to the shirt, like a free range situation where these people have to be able to live
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a life that at least affords them the illusion that this isn't the case.
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Because I think if you, uh, you know, people do escape from it and they do say like, I
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was part of a family that, you know, engages in this sort of thing.
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But the best operation is one where like, you know, a child can reach adulthood and have
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very little inclination that that was the case, or at least if they do have an inclination,
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certainly not to the scale that it actually happened to them.
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I mean, these, these aren't, um, you know, by large and far, by large and far, yes, it's
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If you want to equate to that there is, you know, deep underground military bases.
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There's like specific lockdown programs and labs with controls and isolated situations
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and all that, that, you know, wouldn't be Monarch as much Monarch.
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It just all it's, you know, to where the, you know, the sum of the pieces is more than
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more than just what they add up to be individually.
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Um, it is, uh, it's a self-replicating machine.
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It's a self-replicating, self-enforcing autonomous machine.
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People have hierarchies programmed within them and the most suitable goes in to fill
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Um, you know, there's, you know, a lot of matchmaking.
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I mean, if you even look in some parts of the world, it's, uh, typical for like cultures
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to join families into kind of arranged marriages and things like this.
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Well, if you get into high up families, uh, you know, even in the U S still, that's not
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so far fetched to where like people are kind of routed together.
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Um, but you have a lot, you know, uh, especially in recent years, it's went, um, from a little
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bit more forced situations and routed situations to where now even, you know, at the cutting
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edge people that have been in these programs, um, you know, they are subconsciously routed,
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And then you have a fertility, uh, you have fertility fraud.
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Um, a lot of it's going on, which, uh, feeds into this breeding program, but yeah, most people,
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Um, there is, uh, the 1% that actually do become aware and they go through a process called
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going conscious, which is, uh, essentially completing the cycle and then stepping into this.
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Um, and that tends to be the most psychopathic, most successful, um, people at the tip of the
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pyramid, they do consciously step into this and then know what they're involved with.
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But, but the majority of, no, Charles Manson would not, even if he.
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We're talking about like world leaders, maybe right.
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We're talking about industry mongrels, stuff like this.
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Like, like essentially like people get forced to do like a certain ritual as a kid.
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Like, uh, just like take this, for example, you have like Amish people that go through
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So, uh, Amish people, when they come of age, they'll have a chance to go into society and
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And then they can choose to come back and live it or, or that, uh, Catholics get confirmed.
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You have like different cultures to where children are kind of forced into it.
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Then as an adult, when they come of age, there's like a rite of passage where they can
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So in Monarch, there's actually a step too, to where like people that have went through
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it, if they've been chosen, if they've been vetted and they fit, you know, they tick all
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the psychopathic boxes and, you know, they think they can actually bring them into the
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Into the club and actually like consciously, because if you get involved at a certain level,
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there's no way to hide it and to not realize what you're a part of.
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If you go into this full time and you're 24 seven, like making dirty moves, like you
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have to be read in, you have to be aware and you have to decide to do this because there
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And there is like, you know, a way to look at things to where like, this makes sense.
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Even the evil people, like, don't look at themselves like the worst pieces of shit, even if on
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Um, so like there, there's actually a process in going conscious, essentially one of the
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most major rituals that people go through as a child to where they're forced to do it.
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And maybe a hand is on their hand, you know, uh, helping them along to do something.
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Um, they revisit that ritual and then they are, you know, uh, the orchestrator of it and
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And then when they do that, essentially it connects neuron pathways, just like, you know,
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smell or remind something or this and that going conscious is essentially a specific ritual
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that they revisit and take charge in and orchestrate it and control it.
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And then they kind of step into the fold and go through this.
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And then at that point they kind of like a merging of, you know, the backend and the forend.
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So yes, there are people that do become aware of this.
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And I know we got into this from the breeding program, but yeah, so 99% of people are unaware
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They're largely subconsciously manipulated, even if, uh, some of that, like, even if it's
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kind of like from a split personality that takes orders, but kind of lives in the subconscious
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when it's not pulled up in a, in a certain circumstance.
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Um, uh, so most people are unaware, but there is a minority, um, that are actually, you know,
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the head orchestrators of this that do become fully conscious and know what they're involved
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But yeah, so the, the breeding is, uh, is covertly, um, orchestrated for by large and far.
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Would you say people like, uh, Sabrina Carpenter are conscious of this?
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I mean, this is just one person that's come across our table that seems like, uh, she's
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been accused of being bred into this to, to fulfill this role.
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And then the moves that they make going forward from now till who knows how far this person
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They're conscious of what they're doing and they understand their role in it.
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Um, and another person that sort of comes to mind in this possible program is maybe
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Just another person that I'm looking at that comes from this odd family background is now
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I forget what the summer house, um, you know, which is a lot of people.
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If you look into her, she's, she's part of, uh, that music video really did it for me
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I'm just kind of like, that's just, which one is that?
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No, Erica Kirk was in a music video that, uh, she like she's by where the Vegas shooting
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On Fremont street, there's, she ziplines past like a huge nine, 10.
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That must've been the time when she does it, but that's also the day that her husband,
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and I'm just like, she's also in Donald Trump's like modeling agency.
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But a lot of weird, definitely somebody that is like, like you're saying great.
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Uh, you know, you, you have some serious boxes ticked.
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When you're getting into Raytheon, you're getting into all that.
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And here, here's the thing is like a lot of this conditioning, you know, obviously you
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Like that's been going on and you have family dynasties in the same bloodlines, which, you
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know, kind of like makes some people turned off.
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They have a hangup about that, but it's like, Hey, you know, family dynasties have been running
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Um, so you have like age old occult methods that are brought into this, but really, um,
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the MK ultra aspect really got industrialized post-World War II.
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Um, and a lot of these techniques were brought forth into the military intelligence industrial
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Um, it's specifically safeguarding certain programs like, uh, like our nuclear programs, Manhattan
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project, so on and so forth, because they can't just trust people not to talk.
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So like there's certain conditioning, you have different levels.
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You have a behavioral modification that's just encourages silence and compliance, and then
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has some fail safes to where people self-regulate.
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If they disclose unauthorized information, they'll have some post-hypnotic suggestions that basically
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make them go crazy and just, and confuse their disclosure and discredit themselves.
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Uh, and then if that doesn't work, you know, kind of suicide themselves, something like
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Um, but then you have your full blown Manchurian candidate programming.
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So Erica Kirk, just coming from a family that was high up in this, uh, it's not just
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personnel in these black projects and, you know, this, this, you know, national security,
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you know, intertwined, um, you know, non-governmental organizations.
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Like this is just the way it is in these people, you know, are brought through similar
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institutions and they're, you know, brought up through the same pipelines.
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Uh, so yeah, I'd be looking at her for this as far as, okay.
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So is she one that would go conscious Sabrina Carpenter, much less likely to be going conscious.
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Um, what for, and how much is she really controlling?
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She says she claims that she doesn't know like the nature of like, she's doing a music
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It's got like this, uh, homage to a, basically a movie about a pedophilic relationship between
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a, uh, you know, a dude and a young girl leader.
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So it's like, just to, to add to what you're saying, it's like, she just seems like she's
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And I guess the question is like, how much of, I didn't know.
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And then it's like, Oh, so just coincidence upon coincidence is like, at some point you
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I mean, you have some people that literally just listen to their manager, listen to the
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directors, listen to producers, have some people that they pair with and work with and
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Then you have some people that really want to take charge and get intertwined.
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And then they go on to become a producer, a director themselves.
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So you'll notice some people that are actors, some people, yes, exactly.
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They go on to take full creative ownership and that's always verified with them.
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They go to, they're much more likely to actually go conscious and consciously be a part of this.
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You other, other people, you know, they're just tunnel vision.
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They just focus on their specific role in this and let other people manage it down to
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Cause I'm not very familiar with her, but what loosely I am.
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That's like a OCD managing every detail to herself and a very insistive of that.
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And I don't think she's going in the pipeline to where she wants to be a producer, a director,
00:24:50.720
But you have some people that do go on to do that.
00:24:53.040
Um, now Erica Kirk, she's being groomed and stepping into the role to have a lot of sway
00:24:57.380
and a lot of position that, or is she just really a puppet and listening to everybody
00:25:03.360
And I haven't really went into this enough to look at it.
00:25:06.240
Um, but it just at a glance from what little, I do know, Erica Kirk would be much more of
00:25:11.080
a likely candidate for going conscious, um, and stepping into a role, um, then I think
00:25:18.620
And that's just completely, you know, me just talking.
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You know, sort of the patterns that emerge when you have this data chunking website like
00:26:30.340
you do, and there's all this testimony coming through, and certainly you have consistent
00:26:35.120
I'd imagine that's part of your vetting process too, if this starts to adhere to what a bunch
00:26:39.660
But before we get there, there is, I understand the psychological component of maybe, let's
00:26:45.700
say, inducing trauma to cause a disassociative state, and when that happens, a second programmable
00:26:52.400
I think that the Project Monarch symbol of the butterfly is meant to represent the hemispheres
00:26:59.320
And there's something about, like, hemi-syncing, and really, like, there's this scientific slash
00:27:06.140
psychological manipulation of the human condition that allows for, like, a plethora of things,
00:27:11.160
whether it's a Manchurian candidate or, you know, you name it, that all makes sense.
00:27:16.600
But then there is this other component that people in the research field, if they want
00:27:22.880
to maintain credibility, don't touch that much, and that component is the spiritual component.
00:27:27.800
And when you get to that, it looks a lot like demonic possession.
00:27:37.940
And it's like, you know, I have a lot of respect for these people that are delving into this
00:27:42.040
field, especially trying to bring attention to the people, the victims of these programs.
00:27:47.420
But, and it's, you know, it's even called satanic ritual abuse, but the most credible researchers
00:27:53.440
out there have it, the deck stacked against them.
00:27:57.600
Because as soon as you start talking about demonic possession, entities, channeling, any of
00:28:03.240
these things, you're going to start to lose credibility.
00:28:07.440
I'm sure if you brought that, like, if you led with that, with some of the people that
00:28:10.740
are giving you this evidence into your website, they'd probably be like, this guy's crazy.
00:28:15.300
Because it's like, if you see that at the bottom, I think you have to ease people into
00:28:20.120
Yeah, I mean, I imagine the victims have experienced it.
00:28:24.680
And probably a lot of them are like, it's one thing to say, hey, I was part of this shady
00:28:31.220
And it's operating in this way, right, you know, in front of us, but we're not willing to
00:28:36.000
look at it. It's another thing to say, and by the way, the things that I've experienced
00:28:42.720
So can you talk a little bit about that spiritual component?
00:28:46.980
Is that something that really does poke its head up as often as maybe a couple of crazy
00:28:52.620
So, I mean, here's the thing is, because I mean, obviously, and I hate using cliche
00:28:55.640
terms like rabbit hole, but this is a whole rabbit hole.
00:28:58.600
And there's many different ways to understand it.
00:29:00.440
I mean, just like, you know, you take religion, you have a wide variety of beliefs.
00:29:03.460
And like, no one really, there are some people that stigmatize people, but like, there's
00:29:08.420
And if you get to the core of these different religious ideologies, I mean, it kind of gets
00:29:15.620
Here's just one for, you know, one aspect way to look at it is a lot of people grow up
00:29:22.940
Well, people that are brought up in this different, more tribal culture that are, you know, taught
00:29:27.600
different things in this, they may have grown up going through certain initiations and
00:29:32.160
going through certain rituals and rites of passage and so on and so forth, to where they
00:29:40.600
And they believe that they became inhabited with certain, you know, entities with certain
00:29:47.580
parasitic entities with certain energetic viruses that they infested themselves, they infected
00:29:52.820
themselves with certain parasitic entities that they infested themselves with, and so on
00:30:00.140
It doesn't matter if there's reality to it or not, because if you get a little kid and
00:30:03.100
you hypnotize him and you grow up believing that he's filled with satanic power, that little
00:30:07.600
kid is going to be hell to deal with regardless.
00:30:10.340
There's a placebo effect if it's not a real effect.
00:30:12.700
So really, what does it matter in the long term?
00:30:18.160
I mean, you know, we see this much of the spectrum, right, of, you know, this much of
00:30:27.560
You don't even see what's microscopic, such as parasites and stuff like this.
00:30:30.800
So are there other forces out there and all that?
00:30:33.360
I mean, I think that most people that partake in any mainstream religion would say yes, that
00:30:41.800
Now, the nomenclature, the way that you describe this, the way that you articulate that will be
00:30:46.200
a lot of turnoffs for people, but a lot of people describe the same thing in many different
00:30:53.480
It's real as much that it affects people, whether it's actual external spiritual entities and,
00:31:00.080
you know, consciousness that's affecting people, or it's just internal placebo and just dark
00:31:06.340
neuroscience mechanisms and behavioral neuroscience applied.
00:31:09.360
To me, it doesn't matter because there is an effect of it.
00:31:12.920
So, you know, you can go on all day and go down that rabbit hole and have a deep
00:31:16.120
understanding in this intertwined and religious ideology.
00:31:20.580
But again, to me, it doesn't matter because the point is that it has an effect.
00:31:24.280
And if you take a little kid and raise him a certain way, he's going to adhere to that
00:31:31.080
I do want to talk about this a little bit more before we jump off, because I agree it
00:31:35.060
is such a, you know, yeah, rabbit hole is a fair terminology and it leads to so many
00:31:41.360
We've been talking about it in the past few episodes a lot.
00:31:43.980
Nathaniel Gillis has a really good interpretation of these things, I think.
00:31:47.520
And it's this idea that he calls it the phenomenon, and it is willing to take form that is relevant
00:31:55.620
And throughout this research of the MKUltra programs, Project Monarch, the Gates program,
00:32:00.760
anything like this, you get a plethora of different things.
00:32:06.360
But you also get very, what would you call it, culture-specific ones, to your point, like
00:32:12.420
the Egyptian Inead, even though that's a little bit strange because that's a long-since-gone
00:32:18.720
But somehow this phenomenon has decided that maybe an individual will be more receptive
00:32:24.880
So being the nine gods that ruled over Egypt, that's one that keeps getting channeled or keeps
00:32:29.360
Certainly now with the popularization of UFOs, alien greys, that phenomenon popularized not
00:32:37.860
only through strange happenings and UFO abductee testimony, but also through Hollywood.
00:32:43.860
So it's really fleshed it out in people's minds what this sort of thing looks like.
00:32:46.780
So a lot of these people are also claiming this.
00:32:49.300
I wonder, before we depart from this, could you say in your data chunking, which of these
00:33:00.060
And I'm not saying that it is thereby definitively that thing, but I think it's an interesting
00:33:07.300
So, I mean, you know, it depends, like with the age, with the age of the person that's
00:33:14.420
involved, you know, kind of the younger, most contemporary thing is definitely more getting
00:33:19.040
into like a more stricter alien, whether it be greys and, you know, Nordics and things
00:33:27.020
You know, a little bit older, you definitely have a lot of the Egyptian rights and things
00:33:33.360
Really broadly involved across the spectrum is a lot of this like, kind of like, kind of
00:33:39.940
like a earth, kind of like spirits and kind of like, you know, just really, you have a
00:33:50.280
lot of people using different terms across different times to explain the same entities
00:33:56.780
because a lot of these entities have different names across different cultures and things
00:34:01.480
But yeah, by large and far, the more younger, more contemporary thing is definitely pushing
00:34:07.240
more into the alien, greys, Nordics and that sort of thing and kind of like, you know, kind
00:34:13.860
of like, you know, ancient aliens sort of aspect, right?
00:34:17.740
And then a little bit further is more going into like just, you know, the spirits and stuff
00:34:22.640
The basis for this, here's the other thing is that you have trends in the data from
00:34:26.660
people that are kind of more newly aware subjects and then you have people that say
00:34:30.960
at the more extreme spectrum have been through like disassociative trauma therapy for like
00:34:37.020
So a lot of these people that have been through disassociative trauma therapy for a decade
00:34:41.280
are finding out, hey, you know, I went through this specific function and this was brainwashing
00:34:48.680
and essentially I was put through a hero's journey and I was, you know, drugged and, you
00:34:53.520
know, I had this technology that Stanley Korn helmet, the God helmet, you know, kind of
00:34:57.400
like, you know, manipulate my brain and then I kind of went through this whole experience
00:35:01.220
and vision and this was all inside and then, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you
00:35:07.080
find that these things are taking form of like how it is effective to suggest to them.
00:35:12.200
Well, it's funny because, you know, there's Ericksonian hypnosis, which is really going
00:35:15.940
with someone and Ericksonian script kind of goes with their psyche because you don't want
00:35:23.320
You want to kind of go like, what do they already believe in with this?
00:35:27.420
It's kind of like a keto, you're using their own movement against them, right?
00:35:30.600
Because if you have to fight them tooth and nail and go against every single aspect, they're
00:35:34.220
more likely going to break through and not agree with it.
00:35:36.440
But if you go like with it and then kind of try to steer their already, you know, existing
00:35:41.880
And their, you know, kind of tendencies, then it's a lot more effective.
00:35:46.820
But, you know, really like you're getting into this like by large and far, you're looking
00:35:53.360
You're that this is really, really, really common.
00:35:58.580
You're looking at, you know, you're looking at the 72 seals.
00:36:02.460
Like this is, this is the basis because, you know, and you can look at biblical times like,
00:36:06.580
oh, Solomon, you can say, oh, the Solomon of the temple is the mind, isn't that?
00:36:09.760
Well, really what this is, is like, you know, I equate these people to cosmic fishermen to
00:36:13.540
where, you know, you'll have the five senses, right?
00:36:16.500
And just like a fisherman will make a lure and craft it to catch a specific fish, these
00:36:20.920
people, you know, will have a certain color, which colors are also on frequencies.
00:36:25.420
You have different sound, a different hymn, different frequencies.
00:36:34.320
You do all these different stimuli and then you go cosmic fishing for a certain thing that's
00:36:39.460
And essentially all these seals, what they do is they correspond to parts of the brain,
00:36:47.200
You have just the different parts of the brain or corresponds to different demons that you
00:36:52.660
And then you can kind of gain mastery over these parts of the brain and processes that are usually
00:37:00.520
So a lot of this is kind of like brain hacking, if you will, right?
00:37:04.520
To where you just go through this very weird trauma, but it's like a five pin.
00:37:08.280
You have your five senses, it's like a five pin lock to where you have your pins are all
00:37:12.560
Then you go in and turn and it opens that part of the mind and you have access to it and
00:37:15.980
you can kind of make subtle changes, change the settings, right?
00:37:18.720
So yeah, so what you're really getting to across the board is you're looking at, you know,
00:37:24.660
You're looking at the lesser key of Solomon and then you're looking at the legiment and
00:37:28.620
the legiment and I don't know the standard terms for these things, but you're looking at
00:37:32.160
all that Solomon magic is definitely the one and then Enochian, the Enochian system
00:37:37.400
protocols of communication, the Nokian magic, which is, you know, kind of like the baseline
00:37:42.020
for a lot of these hermetic societies and stuff like that.
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He claims to be one of the people that were doing crop circles in the UK.
00:38:56.200
He says 80% of them are done by people and we were kind of like investigating further
00:39:06.600
And I ended up showing him like a chart of the lesser keys of Solomon of the sigils on
00:39:23.540
I was like, you ever put one of those on the floor?
00:39:31.760
Anyway, and they'd be like, I don't want to alarm you, but it's looking like, looking
00:39:43.100
Maybe, maybe that's not the best way to phrase it, but it's like, you're dealing with, people
00:39:48.480
have just become comfortable with hearing out victims of a satanic ritual abuse, let's
00:40:01.240
You don't have so many people coming forward, telling the same story.
00:40:03.960
And then especially with like this kind of believe victims culture, I think we've really
00:40:08.200
opened up the doors, you know, for better or for worse, for hearing these people's stories.
00:40:13.560
But it's like, to then layer on to the public, this is Solomonistic sigil magic.
00:40:20.200
It's like, but it's like over and over again, that's where it ends up going.
00:40:27.300
I don't know what this looks like going forward.
00:40:31.560
You know, these people need to have their story shared.
00:40:34.020
People need to be aware of this, but it is so much more bizarre.
00:40:41.080
I mean, once you're immersed in it, once you understand it, you're like, no, this isn't
00:40:46.860
But when you remove the entire thing from the public awareness, it's like, damn, dude.
00:40:53.960
These people are getting abused, you know, and there's a, there's a ritualistic element
00:40:58.240
All these things that people are going, well, I don't believe that the rituals are really
00:41:03.120
happening, but I do believe that these people are being abused.
00:41:05.300
In other words, the validity of the rituals, I don't know where to place that, but these
00:41:10.400
And it's like, okay, now sit down, buckle up because the rituals are very real.
00:41:13.840
And this is going back to, yeah, Babylonian magic.
00:41:19.460
I mean, it's like, it's, that's a real hard pill for people to swallow.
00:41:22.920
I don't know what that conversation looks like going forward, but look, we're at the
00:41:26.680
I'd love to get your thoughts on that afterwards, but we got to kick off these poor people.
00:41:29.620
Guys, if you want to watch this episode, uh, patreon.com forward slash Nephilim desk
00:41:36.400
And the episode will release in its entirety, but it's going to have to be a little censored for
00:41:44.980
So, uh, uh, yeah, I mean, maybe you could speak to that.
00:41:47.820
And I, and then after that, I want to get into this, the patterns that emerge, the stories
00:41:52.180
that people are telling in this data that you're collecting from these experiences, how much,
00:41:57.560
how much you're actually allowed to say, how much you're allowed to say.
00:42:00.520
But it's like, the reason I want to get into that is because I see interviews and I see
00:42:13.440
The buzzer, like, uh, the, my doctor did the buzzer.
00:42:16.860
I remember the things, the big goofy headphones.
00:42:19.040
I don't, you know, they looked at me, they're like, you're a retarder.
00:42:22.960
I never drank the drink, but I want to get into sort of these, uh, elements.
00:42:26.360
But first let's talk about, uh, you know, that, that whole thing, explaining to somebody
00:42:31.380
who's come to the table to have this conversation.
00:42:34.380
And it ends in, this is solomonistic sigil magic.
00:42:38.400
So, I mean, honestly, like, you know, when I'm briefing people going into it, uh, that's,
00:42:44.980
Because it's, you know, people, people have hangups.
00:42:47.480
You know, I start off by like briefing people with like the 20 minute testimony at the 1995
00:42:52.100
ACHRE, the presidential hearing committee, uh, committee, you know, to where the therapist
00:42:56.180
and then two subjects, um, brought forth testimony and, you know, they submitted, uh, blindly
00:43:02.180
corroborating testimony from 40 therapists and hundreds of clients.
00:43:05.400
And then kind of, uh, go for it to like, you know, uh, Collins Ross, the CIA doctors, blue
00:43:10.260
bird, you know, that's, you know, built on, you know, tens of thousands of freedom information
00:43:14.360
documents and things that we know, you know, without, without a doubt.
00:43:18.040
And then just going into, Hey, you know, a lot of this is covered up and there are elements
00:43:22.500
of the therapeutic community, dissociative trauma therapists and specialists, um, that
00:43:28.680
And what this is, this is a form of brainwashing and there's counterintelligence methods applied,
00:43:42.180
Um, but you know, essentially what this is, is using dark neuroscience and applying it in
00:43:47.820
as unethically as possible, behavioral, dark neuroscience, and people are being brainwashed.
00:43:52.620
Like, you know, here's where you can get the information.
00:43:54.960
There are campaigns, um, specifically to smear this information from coming out, but you can't,
00:44:03.040
And there is a history of this coming out in very credible circumstances from credible
00:44:08.460
Um, again, also depending on who I'm showing this to, there are groups of people with packages
00:44:13.880
that we have built up packages, meaning say we have two, three, 10 people.
00:44:17.820
People that have some corroborating information, um, you know, people, and we're talking about
00:44:21.780
people that are, you know, current senior project managers at Raytheon.
00:44:26.980
We have people that are celebrities in the music industry.
00:44:29.480
We have actors, uh, things like this to where they have agreed that on extremely controlled
00:44:34.220
circumstances with people that were vetted, we will show on a case by case basis, the testimony
00:44:39.300
and the supporting evidence and other verifiable information of packages to specific people,
00:44:43.900
um, to show them like, Hey, these people are saying this.
00:44:46.620
Why would all these people say the same thing who didn't know each other?
00:44:49.120
And we're putting this together to paint the picture.
00:44:50.900
Like, obviously this is a large program that's ongoing.
00:44:53.340
You know, how does it look when we go into the ritualistic element?
00:44:59.600
Some people believe in that and kind of go into it.
00:45:02.500
Um, you know, if they already believe into it, it's, it believe it.
00:45:05.340
It's already a little bit easier, but otherwise I just focus on the dark neuroscience aspect,
00:45:09.780
because I mean, people are affected by specific trauma.
00:45:13.260
It just corresponds to different parts of the brain, symbology, all this, you know,
00:45:17.180
things are rooted in just like it octagons in red, you know, even if they don't have the word stop,
00:45:22.720
like you might automatically respond to that because it's been drilled in from young.
00:45:26.240
I mean, it's just taking advantage of certain things.
00:45:30.860
It's just a lot of the way the symbology and pre-linguistic things that are embedded
00:45:35.700
in you from birth, just due to the environment affect you.
00:45:40.760
Actually, if you break it down, how it affects you, like, uh, you know, to address this,
00:45:45.880
you don't have to believe or don't have to have a deep understanding of all of this.
00:45:49.340
Um, you know, for people to heal, yes, all elements do need to be addressed because not
00:45:54.120
only are, do they use very scientific methods and stuff like this?
00:45:57.060
Yes, there is heavy, you know, involvement of mysticism and it goes into the beliefs because
00:46:01.100
they use every single, they use that absolutely anything that can be used.
00:46:07.580
So yes, for survivors healing, that needs to be addressed, but for people to recognize the
00:46:11.640
validity of this and then address this actionably, um, they don't have to agree or understand
00:46:17.280
And I don't ask them to, um, so I don't always go into that.
00:46:22.960
Um, but you know, it's, it's one of those things that you can get lost on.
00:46:26.380
And, and again, you know, I, I don't push for anything other than action on verifiable
00:46:32.620
So, you know, that, that's really what it is, but I have a very down to earth briefing process
00:46:37.440
where I walk people through kind of like the checkpoints from paperclip, um, show linked
00:46:42.660
the involvement from paperclip to Iran Contra to now the UAP involvement, you know, from the
00:46:47.760
1995 ACHRE, um, to some of these books written from based on freedom of information act documents,
00:46:53.740
uh, to now the current testimony and the packages that we have ready to show people behind the
00:46:59.480
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I got a couple of questions, but I'm not, I'm not even sure where I want to, because the
00:48:02.640
next couple of questions could lead this wildly in one direction or another.
00:48:12.580
And something he said, kind of like always, I ask it or I mention it all the time.
00:48:18.300
He says when he's doing the deliverance with the people who have been subjected to satanic
00:48:23.680
ritual abuse, if they are delivered, it's all good.
00:48:28.740
And sometimes they can go on to lead a somewhat normal life, meaning like they could, they have
00:48:34.100
broken whatever programming and they're able to now function in a different way.
00:48:41.880
So long as these entities, quote, not, not, not even necessarily like spiritual entities,
00:48:48.100
but like even government entities, like dark actors, something.
00:48:51.180
Like he's like, they get their package back or their, like their information packet from
00:48:57.080
It's almost like their program that they put in.
00:48:58.860
The way he likened it was like, is if you're putting like, you know.
00:49:02.660
And they're like, I gotta come get back my chip.
00:49:09.820
If they can get their whatever back for the, to put in the next person or for confidentiality,
00:49:17.200
they don't bother with him because I was saying, you know, if you're like tampering
00:49:21.120
with their system, deprogramming people, or at least trying to tampering with government
00:49:27.800
What the hell does that mean in your opinion, where these people are getting back their intellectual
00:49:34.760
property from a subject and how does that even work?
00:49:40.320
I mean, I mean, in my experience, uh, I don't completely agree with that statement.
00:49:47.540
Cause you know, I, I deal with tons of deliverance ministers, you know,
00:49:58.860
You have a huge amount of people that have went through this base level, but a lot of
00:50:03.940
this, again, when it got industrialized post-World War II paperclip through the NDEA, you know,
00:50:08.900
here in the U S through the national defense education act, and then just stemming to where
00:50:12.580
all the proxies and there's kind of like, uh, you know, self-regulating self replicating
00:50:17.580
mechanisms that are, you know, making these subjects, you know, they all get this base
00:50:21.480
program and go through this base trauma that the government doesn't want to do itself.
00:50:26.220
And it keeps their hands clean and then they can pull from that pool of abused children.
00:50:30.740
Like, you know, they have even like the government through clandestine services is teaching
00:50:34.400
pedophiles, no mark torture methods, like spin programming to where they can create this
00:50:38.840
traumatic base that then they can grab certain subjects from it later and pull them into the
00:50:43.900
So like, okay, who is this guy going through this deliverance ministry with, you know,
00:50:47.600
he's helping these people perhaps face this trauma and release this.
00:50:51.040
And yes, whether you see the entities is real or not, the, the, the point is, is that there
00:50:57.040
is such power and control that is demonstrated to these people when they're young, they might not
00:51:03.920
So going through and using a higher power to release this, especially as allowing that
00:51:08.400
psychological mechanism for them to release it themselves.
00:51:13.320
So the real that is happening through the higher power and through, you know, whether it be
00:51:16.800
through the power of Jesus or whether it be through other deliverance methods, you know,
00:51:23.220
But the point is, so like these people that he's, you know, doing deliverance ministry to
00:51:27.980
are these active assets that are really like enrolled, like as an operational asset that's
00:51:33.440
being utilized common, or is it just kind of like a reserve sleeper force that not necessarily
00:51:37.660
has ever been activated or upkept and isn't like currently really enrolled in operational
00:51:43.120
So, so that, that's the aspect because like, it's all going to depend on who you mess with,
00:51:46.800
how useful was this person and how deeply are they involved?
00:51:49.600
Because if you touch through certain people, like, yeah, there's going to be lash back.
00:51:54.580
Like, and one that's already like individually installed in specific people to where they
00:51:59.760
may sabotage or do it themselves or something like that.
00:52:03.980
Of people that are directly handling them and also ultimately responsible and punishment
00:52:10.000
And then you have, you know, through the top as well.
00:52:12.660
So like, if you go barking up the wrong tree and you mess with the wrong people, you better
00:52:17.780
You know, um, the other thing is through this like deliverance ministry and stuff, you got to
00:52:21.840
understand, especially when people get into like the government level program to the room
00:52:26.080
and active operations, there is a method to where like these people go through this and
00:52:31.080
there's a surface level integration that allows people to think they're healed and free.
00:52:37.740
Um, but the underlying mechanisms aren't actually undone.
00:52:40.980
They don't have the 1 800 numbers that change on a basis according to the day that they can
00:52:47.020
They don't have, uh, the access of where they can be activated in those codes and that
00:52:53.980
Like, you know, so it's like, how free are these people actually?
00:52:57.460
So like, as far as he's talking about these people get their packets back and stuff like
00:53:03.560
The way I see it, that's not an actual thing like that.
00:53:07.080
Um, you know, like if these people are free and all that, like, uh, there's not like a
00:53:11.120
set amount of spirits that they can send out that inhabit these people.
00:53:14.660
And then they're going to come back to base and be used on another person.
00:53:17.620
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00:53:20.560
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It's got, you know, sort of this idea of like witchcraft done to children in a public
00:54:33.840
school system that causes them to become like weapons when activated.
00:54:43.340
I don't know if Operation Paperclip was 48 or 45, but I've kind of drew this connection
00:54:49.000
to, you know, it almost seems like they're hinting at Operation Paperclip in the back
00:54:54.180
of the film because I can't watch anything anymore without looking at all like the crap
00:54:58.840
And it's like they keep showing you images of 1948.
00:55:05.480
And then you're also getting these concepts of parasites that also keep coming up in the
00:55:13.200
They're talking about cordyceps, mushrooms, creating a parasitic relationship with their
00:55:18.520
And then you're seeing in the background also information about whales and their communication
00:55:23.360
And so these three elements, right, Operation Paperclip, frequency, frequency, conductivity,
00:55:31.500
and also parasites comes up a lot over and over again.
00:55:34.800
And we're talking about like recognizing patterns.
00:55:39.600
I wonder, are you finding, because in our research, we're finding the prevalence of a
00:55:47.140
And that doesn't necessarily have to be like a chip, but it could be just this strange piece
00:55:52.300
Obviously, people that are abducted by like aliens, which I think the alien abductee phenomenon
00:55:59.100
I mean, we started off looking up Andreeja Buharich and his patent on the dental tooth
00:56:04.180
implant that they were using for some sort of voice to skull technology.
00:56:08.100
And from there, we were like, what the, you know, and it just you go down the rabbit hole
00:56:11.180
again, and it seems as if they've gotten a lot better at this stuff.
00:56:15.900
Yeah, it's gotten to the point where I'm actively suspecting that one of the points of
00:56:20.880
like the vaccine program is to get these these known heavy metals to cross the blood brain
00:56:27.800
And it's like the most effective version of a metal based frequency conducting technology,
00:56:33.460
but it's straight to your brain instead of to your tooth or something like that.
00:56:38.000
And so then, you know, you get into the telepathy tapes and these nonverbal autistic kids,
00:56:44.280
But where I do want to go is in your data in your research, how often does the idea of
00:56:52.380
Oh, so the implants are, you know, almost especially if they're used at a certain level
00:56:57.400
implant standard, whether it be a real implant, or whether it be, you know, fake suedo surgery
00:57:06.300
So they think that they are constantly being monitored by an all powerful entity.
00:57:10.120
And this goes hand in hand with what's called report programming, because like the number
00:57:13.800
one thing there's base program people, if they're going to get used in this, they have
00:57:17.740
to have successful base programming and base programming is essentially like there's like
00:57:23.860
So like they don't hurt their programmer or anything like that, especially for males, right?
00:57:28.300
And then you have and then you have essentially gamma disinformation, which is like unauthorized
00:57:34.820
If you go outside of this compartmented, you know, neural network or whatever you want to
00:57:40.700
call, there's different terminology again, you know, that they will essentially, you know,
00:57:46.560
ab react and like, you know, start injecting nonsensical information or even sensical information
00:57:53.560
To confuse their disclosure, gamma disinformation, then omega, which is, you know, kind of like suicide
00:58:00.180
So you have your fail safes that are installed.
00:58:01.760
You have your stop halt, you have your disinformation and then self-harm fail safes.
00:58:08.520
It goes from self-harm to homicide and stuff like that.
00:58:11.920
And then also apart from that is you have your report mechanisms and the self-reporting
00:58:16.720
mechanisms is to where the people will essentially monitor themselves and report on any information.
00:58:22.520
You know, with there's unauthorized disclosures, especially externally, but even internally, if
00:58:27.200
there's breaches in this neural network, right, in this self-contained situation, if people
00:58:31.360
start remembering too much in the middle of the night, especially they'll report on themselves
00:58:35.580
and this can happen through phones and stuff like that and get wiped and all that.
00:58:41.320
So, you know, part of this is often an implant.
00:58:43.720
Here's the thing is nowadays, especially if they went in the government and implants are
00:58:47.880
pretty standard and they have them so microscopic and there's different types of implants.
00:58:52.080
You have implants that got much smaller over time to now there's like, unfortunately, like
00:58:56.620
it literally is self-assembling nanites and stuff like this.
00:58:59.360
But just to let you know, too, this is identifiable.
00:59:03.440
If they have real implants, this can be done is they go either in a Faraday cage or an anechoic
00:59:08.520
chamber, which is expensive and hard to get into.
00:59:11.340
But essentially, you can use a spectrum analyzer, which sees all the frequency bands and stuff
00:59:15.940
Now, these implants by default are dormant, so they won't just be broadcasting a signal.
00:59:19.960
But if, you know, we have certain bands of frequencies and these bands, I want you to
00:59:24.200
know, some are registered in NATO, some are Naval Research Lab.
00:59:27.620
There's a few others that I'm not going to get into that aren't public.
00:59:31.140
But what can happen is you can burst a certain frequency at them and specifically at the point
00:59:35.840
in their body where there is an implant or just generally.
00:59:39.280
And then what happens is that implant will become powered and will burst back.
00:59:43.260
And what they do is they burst kind of like in a Morse code, but it's a different encrypted
00:59:50.760
If you get these people where you can isolate the frequencies, have a spectrum analyzer and
00:59:54.260
then burst the frequency at them, it can make this implant come out of its dormant state
01:00:01.700
But also, there's definitely a lot of fake implants.
01:00:04.660
And there's a lot of processes to where people go through this so they think they're being monitored
01:00:10.740
And then this also reinforces the part to where, hey, they better tell on themselves so they
01:00:14.640
face less of a punishment than if the people see it and they didn't report on themselves,
01:00:18.860
Because, like, you know, there's part of them that's made responsible.
01:00:24.800
Also, what's really heavily utilized is that there are deliberate parasites used and even
01:00:33.300
And you can even look in Department of Energy has a patent specifically for fungal networks.
01:00:38.220
And if you think about this, it's very interesting because you go into like, and you go into
01:00:41.960
autistic kids and stuff like this that, you know, have these things and like, okay, so
01:00:45.760
the human brain, it's capable of a lot of things, right?
01:00:48.840
And we only use a certain percent and stuff like this.
01:00:50.600
So maybe there is dormant parts from way back before we had developed in certain ways or
01:00:54.960
whatever, before we were modified, whatever you want to believe.
01:00:57.160
There's different parts of the brain that have different abilities.
01:01:03.060
You have parasites, just like parasites will control animals and guide them to places to do and
01:01:08.700
They map out parts of the brain and then they can stimulate parts of the brain and take
01:01:13.440
So what a lot of these actual age-old occult techniques do, but also what the government's
01:01:17.500
learning to do from some of this is they use this fungal infection.
01:01:22.220
They use this parasitic infestation to essentially map out and then essentially nest in certain parts
01:01:31.260
of the brain, which then become controllable or utilizable, right?
01:01:34.760
Um, and then they can kind of like, it creates a mechanism to where they can control it and
01:01:39.320
And then also some of these parasites, um, and some of these fungal networks also respond
01:01:44.440
to frequency and age transmission in different ways.
01:01:49.380
This is plugging exactly into where I was about to go.
01:01:51.880
And this is just, just to, for the audience sake, DOE funded research at Oak Ridge in 2019.
01:01:58.860
It's just a Google search not to pull it up, but, uh, led by ORNL, uh, which I guess is
01:02:06.560
Um, and yeah, they're, they're doing it specifically on the symbiotic relationship between, uh, plants
01:02:12.500
and, and soil fungi, but the way that they communicate that neural network, uh, that kind
01:02:16.860
of became really popular actually was a huge talking point on, on Rogan, which you're talking
01:02:21.300
about big podcasters that, you know, end up in a weird space.
01:02:24.080
Rogan, we kind of call him like the modern day Laurel Canyon.
01:02:35.560
Um, is Oak Ridge the place where they have the, uh, hydrant collider, the hadron.
01:02:43.940
We're talking, uh, fungal networks of communication, parasites that hijack the mind and can control
01:02:50.000
the host, tell it to go do this, tell it to go do that.
01:02:52.260
And even the frequency conducting technology, just to go back to the whole alien abductee
01:03:00.340
Um, they claim to have been a lifelong abductee victim.
01:03:04.520
They see it as like being super cool, whatever.
01:03:06.520
Uh, but they were given an implant, uh, at a young age that implant allows for two-way
01:03:11.880
communication, both, um, uh, you know, auditory, but also it shares the visual cortex between
01:03:20.600
You mentioned them before, that's apparently what's going on here, but this isn't an isolated
01:03:25.020
So people will often talk about these, uh, these implants creating that, that form of
01:03:31.340
So we've got parasites that are telling you what to do, right?
01:03:35.600
We have a frequency conducting technology that is putting you in a two-way communication
01:03:40.620
We're also talking about a fungal network that communicates.
01:03:45.460
There's a lot of, uh, this is bringing me right to what I wanted to ask you on this show.
01:03:50.460
We're very comfortable with the idea that schizophrenia is not at all what we're being
01:03:55.520
led to believe by the medical industry, but schizophrenia is actually an external thing, uh, communicating, or maybe it could
01:04:04.740
In other words, it's not you that is, uh, experiencing a chemical brain imbalance of some sort, that this
01:04:12.960
is actually something communicating with these individuals.
01:04:15.460
I got to imagine schizophrenia comes up a lot in these testimonies that you're receiving.
01:04:24.000
I mean, you know, there, there's a large part of people when they saw, you know, uh, official
01:04:28.040
help that they were, you know, diagnosed with schizophrenia and, you know, medicated and
01:04:33.100
So, yeah, I mean, schizophrenia comes up, uh, constantly, I mean, you know, and a lot of
01:04:36.700
people start, uh, you know, self-diagnosing when they start finding out something's wrong
01:04:41.260
and all that, and they say, oh, I might be schizophrenic when they look it up and, and stuff
01:04:44.980
Um, but yeah, there's, I mean, definitely is a relationship with schizophrenia and what's funny
01:04:49.540
too, because schizophrenia is what split mind, you know, if you look into exactly what it
01:04:54.400
So, you know, whether you go to dissociation or whatever, and you know, it's, it's funny
01:04:57.900
because even the memory and stuff like this, there's a lot of thoughts that like the, the
01:05:00.940
brain is kind of like a switchboard and a lot of this, uh, uh, is non-localized and it's
01:05:04.920
actually out there and information is coming in and out.
01:05:07.220
And there's even been events with like people with like brain damage and stuff like this,
01:05:10.460
which you're missing parts of their brain and then shouldn't have access to certain
01:05:14.540
There's even, or they have like, uh, they'll learn a new language or something.
01:05:18.120
Or they learn a skill, they're suddenly a, a savant at the piano, or they're a mathematician.
01:05:27.140
So like, you know, you have your fungal, uh, aspects, you have your parasitic aspect, you
01:05:33.180
Because just like with MK ultra with 149 sub projects that we know of, um, where they research
01:05:38.120
every single modality and every single thing, uh, these, all of these things are, are being
01:05:49.520
Can people, um, zap the technology with this and get rid of it?
01:05:56.300
Are there certain genetic factors that anchor in more with other people?
01:05:59.500
Is there predisposition, predispositions to things being more effective?
01:06:02.560
And then some companies just want their own proprietary thing, uh, because, you know, some
01:06:06.800
of this information is split up and there's different factions that, you know, have advanced
01:06:11.980
So, uh, you know, a lot of these things are just overlapping things.
01:06:15.340
Cause if you, you know, have a dog and you really want to get them and you put a GPS tracker
01:06:19.660
Like that's one aspect, but like, okay, what if happens and they slip the collar off and
01:06:23.680
Is there another thing we can do to make him identifiable?
01:06:28.300
Like what all, you know, so as many layered things you can have, you want to stack them,
01:06:32.280
but also there's just different facets of research and they all have their benefits of their pros
01:06:41.540
If you have this many modalities, this is something that you could really implement at scale.
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From Operation Paperclip to go from these, I guess these like isolated incidents of just
01:07:54.780
Manchurian candidates, not necessarily isolated, but in a much smaller of a scope to proliferating
01:08:01.400
it across, I guess the entire world, but definitely America.
01:08:04.640
I know America seems like ground zero for this, this program.
01:08:14.340
Why, why make everybody susceptible to some form of this?
01:08:18.580
I mean, like you, you watch children's television and just the switching of the scenes every three
01:08:25.180
The flicker rate of your light bulb or even your TV, it's, it's making you suggestible to
01:08:31.660
And then that's, we're not even mentioning the things that are inside of your body that
01:08:34.640
are convinced, you know, we're convincing you whether you're eating it, breathing it
01:08:44.460
Well, and just to touch on this and there's patents to support some of these flicker rates
01:08:48.940
and different things that, you know, to where the TV even, right.
01:08:51.760
We'll kind of put you in a trance and stuff like this.
01:08:55.640
Well, I mean, here's the thing is the people doing this, what do they want?
01:09:01.400
The people that get the Manchurian candidate level programming tend to be the people in
01:09:05.780
positions of power and governance and the people with influence.
01:09:08.940
So you get your top 1%, like a military aged, the number one show for military aged male
01:09:16.000
They'll want that person as a Manchurian candidate, you know, whether it be the president or governors
01:09:20.860
and senators, they want those people as Manchurian candidates.
01:09:23.460
Their decision affects others, you know, and so people in positions of power and influence,
01:09:27.740
they'll have the most programming so they can have control over the others.
01:09:34.120
Now, obviously, they're implementing this in a more widespread area and down to controlling
01:09:40.220
Also, hand in hand, you go with the flicker rate and different things and the different
01:09:44.480
It's also lowering attention spans, which, you know, it controls the way they get information.
01:09:48.640
But so here's the thing is they want to control the populace.
01:09:51.120
They want the populace to be okay, and they don't want to have to fight them hand and
01:09:57.080
They want two classes, a master class and a slave class.
01:09:59.860
They want people to rule over because you've got to have that contrast.
01:10:03.040
Otherwise, you're nothing special, right, if everybody's on the same foot.
01:10:08.200
They want, you know, unquestioned, all-encompassing control of people.
01:10:12.120
So if you don't get them when you're young and you don't have to exercise that control
01:10:15.640
over the populace, they're not going to be subservient.
01:10:18.900
They're not going to do what you want because these people also want to progress.
01:10:21.820
So say, hey, we're going to roll out this technology, but this technology is a double-edged
01:10:25.480
sword that can even be used against us, just like the internet, right?
01:10:29.760
They put different steps in place and say, hey, we can do this, but still, we need to
01:10:40.140
So we'll get the populace to do this, but we need to control them and make sure they stay
01:10:48.900
So it's just all about exercising that control and power because they still want, they want
01:10:54.240
They want control, but they also want progress and to build, and they have to control the
01:10:58.880
Also, the community that's not controlled becomes a risk because, again, when they have
01:11:03.160
access to all these different things, you know, they could make waves and, you know,
01:11:08.000
So like they have to have, I mean, why wouldn't you want to affect the populace with this?
01:11:11.820
If you're the type of person that wants to exercise power and control and wants everybody
01:11:15.080
to do what, you know, what you say and work for you and work towards the goals that you
01:11:21.300
Otherwise, one, you know, you can't do what you want.
01:11:25.800
Especially when they find this out in this age of interconnectivity.
01:11:33.020
You don't even have to think about it on like such a psychologically advanced way that these
01:11:38.880
It's like if you traumatize an animal, it becomes very submissive and it'll do what you say.
01:11:46.140
And then, you know, obviously there's all kinds of layers of benefits on top of that.
01:11:50.320
But yeah, as far as suggestibility, willingness to give in to fear, which is something that
01:11:56.320
we're constantly inundated with, you know, best example, you go back to after 9-11 and
01:12:03.280
I swear they had an issue that went out and said, you need to say the phrase terrorism
01:12:17.600
Back in the day, they would do those orange threat levels or whatever.
01:12:20.160
They would tell you the likelihood of getting bombed.
01:12:26.240
Like, yeah, you would want that, but you keep them in fear.
01:12:28.440
And then you go one day, you go, hey, here's a solution.
01:12:32.360
Like we're reaching that point of diminishing returns where you're continually trauma fear
01:12:40.920
And so they don't, it doesn't seem to be, I mean, I guess maybe some new iterations of
01:12:47.200
But every time I look around me, I'm like, more people seem to be aware of the techniques
01:12:54.360
And it's like, you guys seem like you're losing control when you were good before, before you
01:13:00.420
wanted to take the whole, the whole chessboard.
01:13:02.920
Well, that's like when we were talking to Danny yesterday and she's like, is that the
01:13:07.320
Or are we just in like a really unique echo chamber on Twitter?
01:13:10.020
Or is this a representation of the populace that's always been?
01:13:15.020
So I like, but I told you, you know, I went back to New Jersey and they're like, you know,
01:13:20.520
And I'm like, okay, you know, we haven't made as much progress as I thought, maybe a little
01:13:24.120
Um, but I think that that's, that's gotta be it.
01:13:27.480
I mean, even, even just on the utilitarian thing, it's like, if you want to invade a
01:13:30.640
foreign country, you first have to traumatize us constantly inundating us with all kinds
01:13:36.100
I mean, you know, the Charlie Kirk thing is like, you know, if you want to spur some sort
01:13:41.660
of a movement, if you want to subvert and create a revolution here in America, um, and
01:13:47.100
I'm not saying, you know, you can say whatever you want about Charlie Kirk's death, that image
01:13:51.640
of him lurched over and, and all that blood pouring out of his neck is like, I mean, the
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first couple of days afterwards, that's, they no longer have to strap us in the chair, um,
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uh, clockwork orange style and peel our eyelids open.
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We're just willingly doing it with this little black box in our face, just watching this dude
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It's like, you know, um, but I want to get into, uh, the Gates program.
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We don't have a tremendous amount of time left.
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And this is something that's really fascinating.
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It's become kind of viral, at least in our corner of conspiracy realm, right?
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One of the examples I like to use is there's like a YouTuber.
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He was kind of really early on the YouTube wave.
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I don't know his name, but he's got a big show.
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He started talking about the Gates program and he experienced what a lot of people.
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And that is hearing the details of what the Gates program is like and realizing that he
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had been subjected to it on some level or another.
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And I think a lot of us understand a lot of the elements.
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Some of us have experienced more than others, but by the end of it, he was left basically
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shocked that he's like, Oh my God, I've been through this thing from where I'm sitting.
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It kind of looks like maybe a selection process.
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So, I mean, when you get into Gates, we're talking about gifted and talented.
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You know, there's going to be a bunch of names for this early on.
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You have so many different names, regional equivalents.
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We're talking about gifted and talented education.
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And really, this goes hand in hand with other programs, too, into vocational and stuff like
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But this was made under the National Defense Education Act.
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And, you know, following Sputnik and this whole Cold War era, we created the National Defense
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In response, we had to make sure that all of our people are prepared, you know, for national
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So, you know, what this really made was funding for, one was Project Talent, which Project
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Talent basically identifies candidates that would go into Gates and other things, right?
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Project Talent also, hand in hand, that was made by John C. Flanagan.
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The funny thing is John C. Flanagan was selecting the combat fighter pilots before this, right?
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So in World War II and other things in the military, he selected combat fighter pilots, which
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is one of the most, like, strenuous jobs, and also in charge of some of the most expensive
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So Project Talent, John C. Flanagan is finding these people, right?
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And then with Project Talent's planned program, which was computerized curriculum, okay?
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Now, it's not always the whole curriculum adjusted.
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It might just be that people are took out for a gate class or a pull-out enrichment class
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Some people went into a whole separate thing, right?
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Even different magnet schools or different things like this, right?
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So anyways, Project Talent goes hand in hand with gate.
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Then in gate, yes, this, a lot of people, you know, with the headphones, you know, with
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the Zenner cards, with the pink drink, with all this, like, this was another step in
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the selection process and finding people that were suitable to then funnel to further
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And it wasn't just PSI testing, because I know a lot of people in a lot of ways this
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is presented is that, hey, this was testing for PSI and all that.
01:17:40.820
And just to touch on the PSI aspect, one, one of the godfathers, grandfathers of gate
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And what he does, if you look it up, this, he wrote a few books and he, like, taxonomy
01:17:53.740
Essentially, what he took was age-old mysticism and occult initiations and different aspects
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of these disassociative trance states and their qualities as they related to phenomena.
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And what he did was he basically switched up the nomenclature to very scientific articulation
01:18:14.760
You have Dabrowski, and what Dabrowski is known for is they called it positive disintegration.
01:18:19.920
And what positive disintegration is, is using trauma to disassociate.
01:18:24.220
So essentially, like, it's showed with a pyramid to where a pyramid's made.
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At first, what it is, is bricks all over the place to where it completely shattered it.
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Just like you shatter the mind of someone young and it's disintegrated.
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And then you build it back in structured form to your own whim to serve a purpose, right?
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So, you know, it goes, so the gifted and talented education actually goes in hand
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in hand with Dabrowski's positive disintegration and five phase of consciousness
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to where they are taking them through a specific protocol and development,
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specific curriculum to build them a certain way.
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And again, you know, with the Gowen's curriculum of all these different occult initiations
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and mysticism and all this, wrote in a scientific nomenclature,
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it's integrating this into the curriculum and kind of building people up.
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It's just like, you know, you have Babylonian blasphemy,
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you have Egyptian mystery, you have these school mystery schools, right?
01:19:20.620
It's kind of like teaching the same thing just in modern day time.
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But see, along with this is you have a lot of people to where, like,
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in gifted and talented, it's not just about STEM.
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It's not just about mathematics and sciences and technology, right, engineering.
01:19:36.260
You also have people that are really valued for the arts, right,
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And this right brain isn't just also conducive to PSI and phenomena.
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The right brain is very conducive to brainwashing.
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A lot of these people, that's what's not talked about publicly,
01:20:22.820
is through this GATE process, it's not just that they were going through PSI testing
01:20:29.520
Some of these people were being funneled off and turned into full-blown Manchurian candidates.
01:20:33.380
This goes hand-in-hand with programs such as, in contemporary times,
01:20:37.540
you at DARPA had this program called ENGAGE, E-N-G-A-G-E.
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So, and what that was, was K-12, they were especially integrating technology into the classroom.
01:20:48.460
You had advanced learning solutions, game-based learning,
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things to really get children involved and to be able to really learn
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in a way that they are really invested in it, right?
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Cubic has a lot of game-based learning solutions.
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They're using a lot of these space camps, things like this.
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Again, touching back to Andrea Proharic, you know,
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So, anyways, Cubic, right, was involved with GATE
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and involved with a lot of this technology and game-based learning.
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At the same time, Cubic, after 9-11, also acquired Abraxas.
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The person that owns Abraxas, his name was literally Richard Helms.
01:21:43.200
You have all these OGs from the clandestine services and all that in Abraxas.
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And Abraxas, what they were responsible for, among other things,
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For non-official covers, they would craft those.
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They'd get those top-secret programs where they were crafting the NOC covers.
01:21:59.400
So, what they did was the same company that's involved with the selection through GATE
01:22:03.720
and then the training of them in game-based solutions involving these military platforms,
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just like some of these first-person shooters and stuff.
01:22:10.260
Again, that actually goes back to DARPA, some of these DARPA-developed platforms,
01:22:16.480
So, essentially, the same company, Cubic, that was made through DARPA's Engage
01:22:21.640
to use their technology training kids in GATE and STEM
01:22:24.720
and the kids that were selected and funneled off to this,
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they also, at the same time, were funneling and routing these people
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and grooming them to be unwitting, non-official covers.
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So, they would kind of, like, set them on a pipeline and path,
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give them opportunities, specifically intelligent, poor people
01:22:41.380
and are more apt to take this opportunity right,
01:22:43.980
especially if they have parents that could get out of the way
01:22:45.900
or parents that would comply or parents that they could control some way.
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So, the same company that was involved with training these kids
01:22:52.440
and using their technology also was crafting their cover,
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So, it's just all a program, not just to test people for PSI,
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And, again, we need that for national defense on a certain level,
01:23:10.240
because they're using torturous methods to groom people.
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and just it's the whole corrupt agenda of globalists.
01:23:21.780
It's for some corrupt, you know, bloodthirsty, power-hungry,
01:23:35.160
you hear certain elements in regards to what they're looking for,
01:23:41.820
what the perfect candidate is for this sort of a thing.
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the impact of the work that you guys are doing.
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with subjects in this that have been through this.
01:25:09.780
As far as exactly why and what the connection is,
01:25:28.260
Yeah, as far as getting into why and stuff like that,
01:25:44.080
Like you're just talking about anatomy and biology.
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But also here's another aspect is if you have twins,
01:26:29.540
especially when you're looking at like threshold testing
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and what it seems that the purpose of them may be.
01:27:08.000
Certainly the, the frequency in the headphones,
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or if that was just a run-of-the-mill hearing test.
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I'm sure there are run-of-the-mill hearing tests.
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I don't know why you would give them to the children,
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but I remember sort of the monotone voice going like,
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hit the button if you could hear the tone type of deal.
01:27:35.880
And then like, also this thing, this pink drink,
01:27:39.420
it's probably something that you deal with a lot, Gray,
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Because it seems to be in the public school system,
01:27:51.480
And that relatability creates a lot of fascination
01:27:57.220
What was this pink drink that people were choking down?
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seemingly innocuous things were people subjected to
01:28:15.360
So, you know, also the thing that goes hand in hand
01:28:17.280
with this, a lot of times when people were brought
01:28:36.840
also have a scanning device in the room, right?
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even if they don't audibly, consciously interpret it.
01:28:52.320
testing thresholds and also testing susceptibility.
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you know, even the person administering the test
01:29:21.260
the threshold, if they're able to hear it or not,
01:29:27.780
deeming, you know, the bandwidth of the frequency
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It kind of opens the door to a few things, yeah.
01:30:09.520
And then, you know, certain children were selected
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One of the other things that comes up quite a bit,
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what they thought the point of the Gates program was.
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they connected it to this idea of the alien grace.
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you know, what the phenomenon will present itself as,
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You could even locate the changeover in the zeitgeist
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The sleep paralysis phenomenon is very strange.
01:33:31.480
and they have a lot of like earth based spirits
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You're really like getting in touch with the earth.
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It is that whole idea of like tree hugging hippie
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there's a lot of external reinforcement for sure.
01:34:20.100
And I know you're saying that it doesn't matter.
01:34:24.420
because the point is it's still happening to you.
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So already like you have that human element of it.
01:35:15.920
I believe that going back to Babylonian blasphemy,
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