Nephilim Death Squad - The Great White Throne： The Book of Revelation Series Part XX w⧸ Ed Mabrie

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00:01:59.120 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:02:05.400 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

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00:02:26.700 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim. 0.99

00:02:56.440 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:03:00.580 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:03:03.520 And today is Friday, baby, and Fridays are for the Lord.

00:03:07.460 Welcome back to another episode of the continuation of the Book of Revelation series with Ed Mabry.

00:03:13.160 What number are we on now?

00:03:14.020 I don't see Roman numerals, so I can't say it.

00:03:15.920 Are we at 20?

00:03:17.420 Are we at 20? 1.00

00:03:18.280 Did we do 20 of these damn things? 0.99

00:03:20.540 Maybe, I think, because I thought we were all at 19 last time, but yeah. 0.99

00:03:23.880 Incredible.

00:03:24.480 No, I think you're about right.

00:03:25.320 Yeah, number 20.

00:03:26.340 Awesome, awesome.

00:03:27.220 Well, welcome back, Ed Mabry.

00:03:28.720 For the people, just let them know where they can find your work, and then we'll get into where we're going today.

00:03:34.640 Sure.

00:03:35.180 So the best place to find me is my website, faithbyreason.net.

00:03:39.060 That's all my stuff is there, blog, podcast, videos.

00:03:43.960 You see my first episode of the Genesis series.

00:03:47.280 Actually, I was planning on having the second episode up, but something really interesting happened, because in my second episode, I'm giving man's perspective on the Book of Genesis, and I was including some of the fraudulent work by my arch rival, my arch enemy, Billy Carson, who basically is the opposite of me.

00:04:04.600 Something happened with him today.

00:04:06.480 Did you see that?

00:04:06.960 Yeah, I saw it.

00:04:08.160 Please.

00:04:08.440 Wait, wait, wait.

00:04:09.040 Sorry to interrupt you, Ed.

00:04:10.200 Can you expand on that a little bit, Todd?

00:04:12.060 We love interrupting, Ed.

00:04:12.500 It's our favorite thing.

00:04:13.720 We need to.

00:04:14.340 Follow him on Twitter as well.

00:04:16.600 I'm going to go full screen here.

00:04:18.580 Okay.

00:04:19.320 Billy Carson.

00:04:20.020 I didn't watch the video, but I read the headline, and that's all you need to know.

00:04:23.980 That's it.

00:04:24.280 He debated a Christian, a Christian theologist, and I was like, was it Ed?

00:04:27.640 Did he debate you?

00:04:28.700 Oh, I wish.

00:04:30.400 I wish.

00:04:31.260 It wasn't.

00:04:31.840 It was.

00:04:32.300 Go ahead, because that's what I'm going there.

00:04:34.520 Yeah.

00:04:34.780 And that's why it's the delay.

00:04:36.160 He got so thoroughly routed, I suppose, that he's now suing this guy.

00:04:41.580 Which is insane.

00:04:42.520 Insane.

00:04:42.920 I couldn't imagine.

00:04:44.140 Imagine being on somebody's show, and then it's like all they did was release the footage,

00:04:48.720 and you're like, you got to take that down, dog.

00:04:50.240 You got to take that down.

00:04:50.940 That's how bad, apparently, it went.

00:04:53.020 I got to watch it.

00:04:53.860 I have to watch it.

00:04:54.300 I saw it.

00:04:54.840 And so in my original video that I was going to upload, I just mentioned that, you know,

00:04:59.460 why I think he's a fraud and a con man, and I mentioned that, you know, I heard about him

00:05:03.440 getting his clock cleaned by a Christian scholar, but I saw it this morning. 1.00

00:05:09.600 I saw the video, and he got his ass handed to him. 1.00

00:05:13.580 It was beautiful. 1.00

00:05:14.460 I mean, he got just destroyed.

00:05:16.900 And the funny thing is, the guy who did it, I think his name is Wes, he's not, if I was

00:05:21.480 on there, it would have been very much, it would have been more contentious, because I would

00:05:23.960 have just called him out, and straight up.

00:05:26.060 But this guy was just like the nicest guy.

00:05:27.780 He's a Christian scholar, just really nice, very calm, very low key, and that probably made 1.00

00:05:32.600 it worse.

00:05:33.380 Yeah.

00:05:33.600 Because Billy would say, blah, blah, blah, and he would say, you know, well, you've

00:05:37.300 got this, what do you call it, the Sinai Bible that says Jesus wasn't crucified, and the

00:05:42.220 guy says, really?

00:05:42.880 Because I have that book right behind me, and I'm opening it up, and it says right here that

00:05:47.920 Jesus was crucified, and this was in the third century, because Carson says, well, this Sinai

00:05:53.840 Bible was written a couple hundred years before the King James Version.

00:05:57.260 He says, really?

00:05:57.720 Well, you know, the King James Version isn't a Bible, it's just a translation.

00:06:01.380 We have the original scriptures here.

00:06:03.120 And he says, well, what about the God?

00:06:05.940 Was this the guy?

00:06:07.200 That's the guy.

00:06:09.040 Very smart guy.

00:06:10.140 He looks like a sleeper cell, like a dude that would terminate you.

00:06:12.880 But I'm going to put the link in the video and kind of talk about it a little bit more

00:06:20.040 in mine.

00:06:20.640 But yeah, everything Carson brings up, he just demolishes it in like the nicest way.

00:06:26.120 He just says, really?

00:06:26.860 Because you talk about the book of the Gospel of Barnabas.

00:06:29.820 You know that was written in the 1400s, and it was written in Italian and Spanish, right?

00:06:35.260 So that's not, it's actually, it's a fraud.

00:06:37.340 It's a forgery.

00:06:39.340 And then Billy just like, he says, well, okay.

00:06:42.900 I'll acquiesce to that.

00:06:43.840 Let's go to the Old Testament and look at this.

00:06:45.420 And then it was a takedown.

00:06:48.700 A bloodbath.

00:06:49.840 It was a bloodbath.

00:06:50.700 See, the problem is, is because like, look, I don't know Billy Carson.

00:06:55.320 And I do appreciate people.

00:06:57.360 We were talking about Sam Dripley.

00:06:59.380 It's one of our favorite people.

00:07:00.780 That's him?

00:07:01.320 Oh, dude.

00:07:01.820 Yeah.

00:07:02.040 He looks 100% like, come on. 0.96

00:07:03.800 I mean, he's got, he can be the nicest guy in the world because he looks like he could

00:07:07.100 wear his skin.

00:07:08.200 This is actually his Twitter. 0.92

00:07:09.380 This dude's jacked.

00:07:10.320 Yeah.

00:07:10.500 Billy Carson.

00:07:11.160 He didn't look that big in the video.

00:07:12.260 So now I'm really admiring for not going off.

00:07:15.400 Christian Hulk.

00:07:16.100 Yeah.

00:07:16.200 He's like, I don't need to.

00:07:17.360 My visage is very intimidating.

00:07:19.520 But we were talking before the show about Sam Dripley and how he's one of our favorite

00:07:22.960 people.

00:07:23.300 And I love watching the journey that Dripley's going through because he is, at the end of

00:07:27.540 the day, he's looking for truth.

00:07:28.640 And right now he has Jesus Christ in his heart.

00:07:31.120 He loves Jesus Christ.

00:07:31.860 He says that like every episode.

00:07:33.700 And, but he's still exploring like all these different avenues.

00:07:35.860 And some people get mad at him for the things that he explores.

00:07:37.960 But to me, it's like Sam has always been looking in the truth for the truth.

00:07:41.040 He's a very genuine guy.

00:07:43.340 Billy Carson, on the other hand, has a narrative that he's built a career off of and he cannot

00:07:49.940 yield from that narrative.

00:07:51.360 He has to.

00:07:52.140 It has to be right because everything is riding on this.

00:07:54.400 And I recognize that about him previously.

00:07:56.520 There was a time when we were on the best political show.

00:07:58.740 We were keyed into the fact that he was going to be the next guest.

00:08:01.720 And so you're allowed to leave a question for the next guest.

00:08:03.880 And the question that we left was actually one that Top came up with, which was how come

00:08:08.200 all of these entities from demonic experiences to alien encounters, Bigfoots and cryptids all

00:08:13.000 flee at the name of Jesus Christ.

00:08:14.520 And Billy's answer was something like, well, Christ is something of an aggregor.

00:08:19.100 And so if you put enough faith into an idea, then that faith will protect you, which is just

00:08:22.740 leaps and bounds to get to that place when it says in scripture that Jesus Christ gives

00:08:26.680 you the authority to tread on serpents and scorpions.

00:08:28.840 So, I mean, like, it's right there.

00:08:30.740 You're giving me like an above and beyond.

00:08:32.780 I can create an imaginary protector in my mind.

00:08:36.080 It's a whole thing.

00:08:37.160 This guy seems nice, but I mean, Billy relies on known forgery.

00:08:41.220 Gospel of Jesus's wife? 0.89

00:08:43.080 Genesis word for word copied?

00:08:44.620 There's no such thing as the gospel of Jesus's wife that Carson talks about.

00:08:47.580 And again, the guy just brings the receipts and says, no, actually what you're talking

00:08:50.900 about is the gospel of Philip, which briefly mentions it and it was mistranslated.

00:08:55.300 And he said that the document that you're using is a PDF from the internet.

00:08:58.840 It's not an ancient document.

00:09:00.280 And that's incredible.

00:09:01.060 Billy had nothing.

00:09:02.540 That's incredible.

00:09:03.400 Okay, I got to watch this.

00:09:04.420 We got to get that guy on the show. 0.96

00:09:06.120 If you're into humiliation porn, this is it right here. 0.97

00:09:09.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

00:09:10.340 I don't necessarily want that for Billy Carson, but it's just like when you have this smugness

00:09:16.800 about you and everything is like, you know, the Anunnaki sky daddies and, and how the,

00:09:21.400 you know, the Bible is completely wrong.

00:09:22.680 It's like everything that we approach, you know, these topics with, it's like, I don't

00:09:26.540 know.

00:09:26.760 That seems interesting.

00:09:27.640 Let's explore it.

00:09:28.320 This guy is like, this is the definitive truth.

00:09:30.180 And I am now the arbiter of it.

00:09:31.860 And that's when you get yourself into a whole lot of trouble and get taken down by a vanilla 0.98

00:09:37.020 gorilla.

00:09:37.440 That dude was jacked.

00:09:39.400 I mean, and yeah, we can, we can move off from him.

00:09:42.040 But I mean, the thing that annoys me about him is that again, he speaks with this authoritative

00:09:45.840 tone and the problem with it is not personally, I don't really care about him one way or the

00:09:49.000 other, but it's really what he's doing to other Christians and making them doubt their

00:09:51.700 faith and bringing in, and he, he has nothing.

00:09:54.400 And he'll say, I'm the four, he calls it self-appointed.

00:09:56.820 I'm the foremost expert in ancient languages and cylinders and all this kind of stuff,

00:10:00.620 but nothing he has is real.

00:10:01.900 He talks about these emerald tablets of Toth.

00:10:04.560 There's no such thing.

00:10:05.900 Nobody's seen them.

00:10:06.840 They don't exist.

00:10:07.660 They were, they were, they were apparently found in the 1930s by this guy who's also a con

00:10:14.980 man, by the name of Maurice Dorial.

00:10:17.800 He said he found him in the pyramids of Giza.

00:10:19.360 I guess everyone else who, who, who explored the pyramids just must've missed them.

00:10:23.080 And he just happens to find these emerald tablets and he translates them.

00:10:26.500 Turns out that his name is not Maurice Dorial.

00:10:28.600 His real name is Claude Doggett.

00:10:30.160 He just changed it because Maurice Dorial sounds better than Claude Doggett.

00:10:34.640 And yeah, they don't exist.

00:10:38.560 There's no evidence that they, but Billy has a book that he, that he sells that talking

00:10:43.200 about these emerald tablets.

00:10:44.160 And again, there, there's no such thing.

00:10:46.360 They don't exist.

00:10:47.280 Right.

00:10:47.700 And he's built his entire career over fraudulent stuff and he's a house of cards.

00:10:51.360 That's why he's suing because if this gets out and it's already getting out, then his

00:10:55.780 career is over.

00:10:56.440 I mean, he's on Rogan for God's sake.

00:10:57.980 I mean, I respect Rogan, but we're doing our part.

00:11:01.100 Let's make this go viral.

00:11:02.060 Well, I don't know. 0.98

00:11:04.520 I mean, look, man, if, if this guy really did hand in the ass whooping that it seems 0.96

00:11:08.040 like he did, um, I would hope that Billy Carson has enough wherewithal to just go, Hey, 0.91

00:11:13.100 the information that I was invested in turns out to not be true.

00:11:16.360 Let me, you know, uh, pivot and, and start to look at some of these things, these misconceptions

00:11:21.160 and let's unload them.

00:11:22.440 And so, you know, hopefully anyone, anyone this full of themselves, because like when I

00:11:27.180 saw him, uh, we would like, like I said, we were just speaking with Luke and then I

00:11:30.980 see this guy come and he's, he does this thing where he's like very up and he's like

00:11:34.580 speaking down to you.

00:11:35.960 And he's like, right.

00:11:36.760 Like you, you don't know anything.

00:11:38.040 Actually, this is what happened here.

00:11:39.560 And Jesus didn't exist. 1.00

00:11:41.160 Stupid. 1.00

00:11:41.740 And it's like somebody with this type of attitude is going, like he's Streisand affecting himself. 1.00

00:11:47.200 Yeah.

00:11:47.560 Let him do it.

00:11:48.360 I think it's hilarious.

00:11:49.400 I like that juxtaposition too, by the way, where it's like in that little moment, that's

00:11:53.040 the only interaction we ever had, but it was like self-proclaimed retards asking a question 0.99

00:11:58.120 and I'm literally wearing the shirt, right?

00:11:59.760 Uh, self-proclaimed retards asking a question and then being talked down on by somebody who 0.82

00:12:04.660 considers themselves an authority.

00:12:05.820 And it's like, I will never consider myself an authority. 0.99

00:12:08.600 I will always temper everything I say with like, but I'm an idiot. 0.99

00:12:11.420 And I think that there's probably some wisdom in that, but I'm too stupid to see it, but 0.99

00:12:15.740 you know what I mean? 0.98

00:12:16.160 It's just like us doing that.

00:12:17.420 And then asking this guy who is, you know, like I said, self-proclaimed authority on it.

00:12:22.340 Uh, I think that's just really funny.

00:12:23.620 And then it's like, look, look how that's going for him.

00:12:25.240 Um, but let's, uh, let's detach from that.

00:12:28.260 Hopefully we do get to watch, uh, you know, this develop some more.

00:12:31.560 I will send you guys a link afterwards and it'll be on, on, on the show.

00:12:35.220 I'm going to upload.

00:12:35.540 I'm going to try to upload, um, uh, part two, hopefully today, if not, then by Monday at

00:12:41.260 the latest.

00:12:41.640 And I'll just, hopefully the link won't be taken down.

00:12:43.800 Cause if he's suing, which I, I totally understand.

00:12:46.400 I would think the link's down already.

00:12:47.500 You don't want this out.

00:12:48.620 I read it.

00:12:49.280 I read it might be down already.

00:12:50.820 Look at this.

00:12:51.340 I remember Clint being enamored by Billy bought every bit of it.

00:12:54.500 Well, and I'm still on his journey.

00:12:56.640 I was texting him as Billy is talking this.

00:12:59.040 And I was like, he's lying to you. 0.99

00:13:00.120 He's a snake. 0.98

00:13:01.280 He's just, don't listen to him. 0.97

00:13:03.140 Who's the other guy?

00:13:04.060 Um, a Terrence Howard actor who actually is a good actor.

00:13:07.080 He did his whole thing on Rogan.

00:13:08.500 And I'm like, dude, you're saying stuff that doesn't make sense.

00:13:11.640 But, but he, but he sounds, he, he sounds intelligent.

00:13:16.440 He sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

00:13:17.640 And he's very, that's, that's what a con man does.

00:13:19.500 I mean, con and con man stands for confidence and he comes across as intelligent.

00:13:23.560 But when you look at it, he's, he's actually not very bright at all.

00:13:26.740 I mean, I'm sure there's some, some interesting ideas that he was starting to touch on Terrence

00:13:30.800 Howard, but I did watch the internet just tear him apart.

00:13:32.840 And I personally, I was like, I'm not watching that.

00:13:34.860 I'm not going to waste my time.

00:13:35.880 Yeah.

00:13:36.140 Um, anyway, but on a second note, real quick, or a note that's aligned with that top, we should

00:13:40.920 have him on to dispel the Anunnaki, you know, Thoth, Emerald Tablets, all that stuff.

00:13:47.460 We should reach out to this guy and have him on.

00:13:48.680 I think that'd be a lot of fun.

00:13:49.440 Yeah, totally.

00:13:49.940 I mean, I touched on it in my Genesis series, but I mean, I'm, I'm not the expert.

00:13:53.480 This guy, Wes, he is a scholar.

00:13:55.540 I mean, the guy knows what he's talking about.

00:13:57.100 I, you know, I admire him the way he just has all his material, like ready to go.

00:14:01.840 Love it.

00:14:02.340 Love it.

00:14:02.680 That's awesome.

00:14:03.360 That's awesome.

00:14:03.880 And the guy apparently is a sweetheart.

00:14:05.360 So there's that too.

00:14:06.040 Yeah, it's very, very, very nice.

00:14:08.340 Even when he was interviewed about the inner, about the, uh, the, the takedown not being

00:14:12.580 put up, he said, well, he's, he's, he's, he said, well, you know, Billy doesn't want

00:14:15.360 it up because, you know, I think, I don't think the interview went very well for him.

00:14:19.060 No, it was not very well. 0.97

00:14:21.120 He got his ass handed to him by you and you're kind of a man on camera. 1.00

00:14:26.980 You murdered a man. 1.00

00:14:28.040 And you're going, I don't know if it went very well for him.

00:14:30.020 All right.

00:14:32.960 So let's get into, uh, what are we, what are we going to be talking about today?

00:14:36.220 We are going to be talking about the great white throne judgment.

00:14:39.400 So where we left off the last time I was on was we went through the millennial reign of 0.85

00:14:44.260 Christ, um, the thousand year period where, uh, Satan is locked up for a thousand years.

00:14:49.820 Jesus rules and reigns perfectly and justly.

00:14:53.100 And people hate it because they're still, you know, sending people on the, in the world and

00:14:57.040 they get what they want.

00:14:57.860 They, everyone says they want, you know, perfect rulership, perfect peace, perfect provision.

00:15:02.420 But the problem is if you have perfect justice, then that means justice has to be meted out

00:15:06.500 immediately and perfectly.

00:15:07.880 And people aren't going to like it and they're going to rebel.

00:15:11.040 And then Satan's released for the, what the quote unquote little season.

00:15:14.780 Um, and he, and he quickly turns the entire world against Jesus and, and, um, they march on 0.82

00:15:21.440 Jerusalem and, you know, they're quickly destroyed.

00:15:23.560 And the whole point of it was to show that no matter what God tries, unredeemed man will 1.00

00:15:30.000 never choose to be God, like God on it, on their own.

00:15:33.320 They'll never choose God on their own, even no matter what the situation is, even if it's

00:15:36.640 a perfect situation.

00:15:38.340 So now that all that's done, it's God's wrapped everything up.

00:15:42.220 He's shown beyond a reasonable, any doubt that the only way for this world to work would

00:15:47.500 be his plan.

00:15:48.180 And so now he, he is the God of justice and he has to execute final judgment, final justice.

00:15:53.640 And that's where, that's where we're going to go.

00:15:55.420 And with a revelation 20, starting at about verse 11.

00:15:58.360 All right. 0.96

00:15:59.260 We were, uh, keeping with the themes of ass whoopings. 0.58

00:16:01.700 We were talking yesterday with a Q guy, Dave Snedeker, and, uh, you know, he's, he's pro 0.61

00:16:06.560 Trump, but one of the things that I kind of saw and I was like, yeah, that is true.

00:16:09.800 It was like Trump in his policy said that he's going to basically leave abortion back

00:16:15.440 up to the States.

00:16:16.160 Right.

00:16:16.880 Yeah.

00:16:17.200 And, uh, you know, people freaked out.

00:16:18.880 He's going to take it all away from us.

00:16:20.060 But I'm like, nah, it's like, it's the most fair thing you could do.

00:16:22.680 Like, that's what, this is how God would actually act.

00:16:25.660 God would be like, I'm going to leave it up to you.

00:16:28.400 And still you're going to have a bunch of people who choose.

00:16:30.920 I mean, this is black and white choice.

00:16:32.240 Like some people are going to choose to kill and some people won't.

00:16:35.380 And it's like, no matter what you do, you can't like, they just can't be left up to choice

00:16:38.920 because they're going to, they're going to choose this stuff, you know?

00:16:42.400 Yeah, it's pretty much.

00:16:43.220 I mean, I've been asked if I'm pro choices that, you know, I'm actually, I'm pro consequence.

00:16:47.360 You have the freedom to make the choices you want, but you better, but you should know

00:16:50.800 what the consequences are and ask yourself if you can live with the consequences, whatever

00:16:53.860 they may be.

00:16:56.220 Yeah.

00:16:56.760 Yeah.

00:16:57.000 I mean, you know, but that is, I wonder how we're going to see that unfold in the future

00:17:01.680 because it seems inherently when mankind is given freedom that we repeatedly make the

00:17:08.400 wrong choices.

00:17:09.940 And I do anticipate that we're moving into something of, you know, Trump calls it a golden

00:17:14.160 age, whatever you want to call it.

00:17:15.620 We're moving into a place that I think we're going to be granted more freedoms potentially.

00:17:20.220 And I wonder how that's going to turn out.

00:17:22.020 It just, I don't know.

00:17:22.860 Like, did you know that they have an experiment that they did where they give you the candy

00:17:27.200 aisle, right?

00:17:27.820 And one candy aisle for one control group has like, you know, every type of candy that you

00:17:33.800 could think of.

00:17:34.560 I think specifically it might've been M&Ms, but either way, it doesn't matter.

00:17:37.120 Every type of candy that you could think of.

00:17:38.820 And then what they did is they measured buyer's remorse afterwards.

00:17:41.700 And the other control group, by the way, they gave like three choices.

00:17:45.820 And the control group who got three choices expressed significantly lower percentages of buyer's

00:17:52.680 remorse than the people who had all of the options.

00:17:56.140 And I feel like that's, there's something there about mankind where it's like, when we're

00:17:59.620 given actual freedom, when we're given all of the options, it, it screws with us internally.

00:18:05.840 And I don't know what that says about us, but it seems like if you, the longer the leash

00:18:10.540 is for mankind, the more we screw up externally and internally.

00:18:15.720 Yeah.

00:18:17.000 Yeah.

00:18:17.420 I think it's just part of our nation that we're going to go for the worst possible thing.

00:18:20.840 That's why, you know, the, the laws, you know, the law existed in, you know, when,

00:18:26.500 when God first created, you know, the, the, the world and, you know, Adam and Eve, obviously

00:18:30.200 had the one rule about the eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

00:18:32.620 But then after that, like in the antediluvian period, you know, uh, the pre-flood period,

00:18:36.660 there was, there was no law.

00:18:39.580 You were just supposed to just learn and, and, and do the right thing.

00:18:43.060 And what did they do?

00:18:43.520 They, you know, the Nephilim thing happened and they, and God said every, every thought of

00:18:46.800 man was evil.

00:18:47.440 So they were given maximum freedom during the period.

00:18:50.260 And it got to the point where they, they couldn't even think good thoughts anymore.

00:18:54.580 And that's why God had to come up with the law.

00:18:56.440 So look, I can need to give you guys some guardrails so that, you know, not to screw.

00:19:00.400 They didn't know what right or wrong was.

00:19:01.840 They just did what was in their heart and what was in their heart was evil.

00:19:04.960 Yeah.

00:19:05.400 Statue of Liberty, right.

00:19:06.520 Overlooking New York city.

00:19:07.680 That's what I think of.

00:19:08.540 It's just the city of debauchery.

00:19:10.500 It's actually Samaramus, but yeah, that's the Statue of Liberty.

00:19:13.220 I just, I, I don't think that, you know, we say we want freedom.

00:19:17.540 And I think that the spirit of that is actually like the spirit of rebellion or the spirit

00:19:22.040 of liberation.

00:19:22.620 And I think that that, and it kind of sounds good in modern day culture, 2024 liberation

00:19:27.160 and freedom sounds good.

00:19:28.380 Um, but I just don't think even historically, it's like when a people was liberated, uh,

00:19:33.340 it doesn't go well.

00:19:34.440 Liberated from what though?

00:19:35.500 You know, exactly.

00:19:36.160 That's the problem here.

00:19:37.060 It's like liberated from, from a man who is fallible making decisions on a governmental

00:19:41.480 level.

00:19:41.900 I can understand.

00:19:43.000 Uh, but there's always going to be a power vacuum after that.

00:19:45.140 And another fallible man is going to step in.

00:19:47.000 And so it seems like this thing that we strive for will never be satiated, can only be satiated

00:19:52.360 by Christ, but we're going to continue to pursue it.

00:19:55.580 And because nobody is going to live up to the person that we need to rule us, we're

00:20:00.120 going to continuously chase this thing and fall on our face, chase this thing and fall

00:20:03.560 on our face over and over again.

00:20:04.960 You know, it's interesting.

00:20:05.860 I didn't bring this up the last time you talked is that you can, and well, maybe next week

00:20:10.200 I'll bring up the chart that I was meant to bring up, um, that kind of shows the history

00:20:13.880 of, of everything from, from Eden all the way.

00:20:17.840 Eden, you know, starts off with perfection.

00:20:19.180 Then you kind of go down, down, down to, and the lowest point is like the end of the old

00:20:23.480 Testament where, you know, you know, uh, God's nation is no longer, is no longer independent.

00:20:30.020 No one is seeking God and, you know, and, and it looks like Satan is winning.

00:20:34.520 And that's when one of my friends says, he's, you know, well, God, God said, I'm done.

00:20:38.640 I'm, I'm tagging Jesus and I can't handle these people anymore.

00:20:42.020 And then it goes, starts going up and starts, and starts rebuilding and getting back towards

00:20:45.960 the Eden and if you look at, you can basically juxtapose the millennium with the antediluvian 0.99

00:20:52.080 period, because it's very similar in that there is no long life and there, and every, you know,

00:20:58.680 all the animals are tame or vegetarian and all these different things are happening.

00:21:02.460 But the difference is that there was total freedom in pre-flood.

00:21:06.300 And, but this is like, um, the pre-flood period with total rules where Jesus is ruling with a rod

00:21:11.160 of iron.

00:21:12.060 So they had both chances.

00:21:13.440 You had a chance of having, you know, total freedom and having, you know, this great,

00:21:17.260 you know, paradise, but now I'm going to give you the same paradise, but with rules and both

00:21:21.160 times, the same thing happens.

00:21:22.940 All of man goes evil.

00:21:24.200 So again, it's like, no matter what God does, we can't handle it.

00:21:28.720 Man.

00:21:29.220 I mean, uh, there's a part of me that's like hesitant to say this. 0.99

00:21:33.080 And I say this with a little bit of a joke, but it's like, man, we do suck. 0.80

00:21:36.020 Like I know because I, the reason I'm hesitant to let that fly is because like we're made 0.90

00:21:40.360 in God's image and I know that we're very special and God loves us, but it, you hear

00:21:45.320 this and you start to understand it and you're like, just somehow built into our nature is 0.98

00:21:50.860 just suck. 1.00

00:21:51.680 We just suck so bad. 1.00

00:21:53.340 Well, understand what, what the image of God means. 0.98

00:21:55.180 A lot of people don't have the right, um, definition, which I'll, I'll be giving you

00:21:59.180 in a Genesis series.

00:22:00.100 When it says we're made in the image of God, it doesn't mean like, you know, that God has

00:22:02.620 two arms and legs and like that, or, or that we are made to be, um, it, we don't

00:22:09.120 have, we're not made with God's nature.

00:22:10.660 What it means is that we, we were made to bear the image of God.

00:22:13.900 We're God's image bearers.

00:22:15.240 So what that means is that when he created Adam and Eve, and technically all humanity

00:22:19.520 is made in the image of God, only Adam and Eve were, we are made in the image of Adam

00:22:22.920 and Eve.

00:22:24.000 God never says in the Bible that all of humanity is made in his image, only the

00:22:27.720 original human beings, but image bearers mean, means that they basically were God's

00:22:34.240 stand in, in, in creation.

00:22:35.600 So creation would obey Adam and Eve the way it would obey God.

00:22:39.600 It's like, you remember in the, um, the show, a game of Thrones, there was, you know, you'd

00:22:43.920 have the King and you had another guy who called, who was called the hand of the King.

00:22:47.040 Right.

00:22:47.540 Right.

00:22:47.760 So whenever the King was away, they had to obey the hand of the King as they would the

00:22:52.120 King.

00:22:53.160 So being his image bearer meant, cause after the, on the seventh day, God rested.

00:22:57.480 And what that really means is that on the seventh day, God ceased his activity.

00:23:00.840 He ceased, um, being the first cause he stopped unilaterally into, um, uh, unilaterally implementing

00:23:08.180 his will after the seventh day, God only reacted.

00:23:12.200 You will look throughout the Bible.

00:23:13.620 God never initiates anything.

00:23:15.740 Everything God does from the, from original sin all the way to the end is God reacting

00:23:20.800 to what we do.

00:23:21.820 He gave man, he said, he gave man that authority.

00:23:24.540 He says, you, you can initiate your will.

00:23:26.780 I'm just going to react to it.

00:23:28.280 So he stepped down as it were and man for his image.

00:23:32.080 And that's why all creation obeyed Adam.

00:23:34.720 So that that's just a little technical term.

00:23:36.800 That's what that means.

00:23:37.680 It's funny to think that, uh, before the deception in the garden, cause like, if you

00:23:42.280 look at it from that, that angle, well, look at it from the standard angle, from what I've

00:23:46.800 understood, uh, Eve is decepted in the garden and you look at her like a child almost.

00:23:51.280 You're like, Oh, he tricked her.

00:23:52.860 He's, he's around forever, but, but through that angle, she was his boss.

00:23:57.800 So there, she might've even given him instruction previously and told him what to do, which makes

00:24:02.760 that a deception, but it also, it, it puts it more on the people on, on Eve and Adam

00:24:08.080 for making this, this choice.

00:24:10.220 Yeah.

00:24:10.680 It's yes.

00:24:11.340 It's, it's, it says in the, Oh God, is it, was it in Hebrews?

00:24:14.240 I know it was in Hebrews or Romans.

00:24:15.580 I forget which book, but it says that, um, Eve was deceived.

00:24:19.140 Adam was not.

00:24:19.860 God gave the command not to give the treat to Adam.

00:24:23.900 He did not give it directly to Eve.

00:24:25.380 Adam, dude, this is so crazy.

00:24:27.020 I was literally gonna, I I've been waiting for a moment so I could ask you about this

00:24:31.620 very thing, because I've heard that recently.

00:24:33.640 And I was like, I got to ask Ed that.

00:24:35.060 Is that true?

00:24:35.520 Like, because it's, it does seem like, yeah, God gave Adam the warning.

00:24:39.460 And then I guess it was Adam's job to, to pass the, the word or.

00:24:44.140 Yeah.

00:24:44.420 That was a hierarchy because it was God, then Adam and Eve, not because he was lower than

00:24:50.660 Adam necessarily.

00:24:51.520 That's the woman's lower than man, but because that's just, that was, you know, God has a 0.98

00:24:54.560 hierarchy.

00:24:54.840 You have father, son, Holy spirit.

00:24:56.060 They're all God, but they have a different level.

00:24:59.080 God is the father.

00:25:00.360 Jesus is second in the Holy spirit, you know, does their will.

00:25:04.320 So they've all just agreed to that.

00:25:06.260 And that's how it works.

00:25:06.940 And it was supposed to be the same way there, it was supposed to be the same model.

00:25:10.660 So God told Adam, Adam was to talk, was to teach Eve.

00:25:14.520 So either Adam didn't teach her well, or, um, he, he taught her imperfectly or maybe he's

00:25:22.400 the one who said that you shouldn't touch the fruit because what happened was, you know,

00:25:26.380 you have the serpent, actually the Nakash, it wasn't a, it wasn't a talking snake.

00:25:29.880 Nakash, it was translated serpent.

00:25:31.900 What it means is it can mean serpent if it's used as a noun.

00:25:35.080 It means shining one, right?

00:25:37.200 Yeah.

00:25:37.560 It means the shining one when used as a proper title.

00:25:39.500 So it says the shining one was more, was wiser than any other created beings.

00:25:44.360 It wasn't saying he was wiser than any other animals.

00:25:46.680 It says any, he, it was basically, um, that verse is contrasting the Nakash with any other

00:25:53.760 part of creation saying this creature was the wisest of all of God's creation.

00:25:58.500 And Eve was not freaked out because she, they were, they would deal with the angels, with

00:26:03.040 the Elohim.

00:26:03.760 So, and that's what this entity was.

00:26:05.420 And he was there to test them.

00:26:08.520 He was, I think we talked about this before, like who is, is this the same Satan that's

00:26:13.400 in the book of Job?

00:26:14.580 No, this entity, his job, he had the same job description and his job was to test.

00:26:21.780 And that was the job of the, of the Hasatan, the Satan in Job, but it was a different, um, 0.87

00:26:27.460 entity.

00:26:27.900 That's a whole other thing we can get into another time.

00:26:29.560 But the point is he was there to test Eve and Adam, because again, God had to know if

00:26:34.720 they would choose him.

00:26:35.940 And this entity was job was to, he was the Satan.

00:26:39.080 He was the accuser, the arbitrator.

00:26:41.180 He's not necessarily, not the arbitrator.

00:26:42.700 He was like a prosecuting attorney.

00:26:44.360 He was just there to present an alternative and just, and, and test them.

00:26:48.780 And, but what he failed because he lied, he should have just said, you know, what did

00:26:53.440 God say about this tree?

00:26:55.000 And when Eve said, you know, God says we can't eat it or even touch it or we'll die.

00:27:00.520 And it should have gone from there.

00:27:03.260 But what he said was, oh, no, no, no, you will not die.

00:27:05.740 You'll become like, like the Elohim. 1.00

00:27:07.560 You'll become like one of us.

00:27:08.520 That was a lie.

00:27:10.220 And that's how that, you know, that's how that all went down.

00:27:12.880 So Eve said, you shouldn't touch it.

00:27:15.200 God never said, don't touch it.

00:27:16.680 He just said, don't eat it.

00:27:17.640 Eve added that. 0.93

00:27:20.200 And because basically that's, that's the origin of religion.

00:27:23.500 Religion is when you want to improve on God, when you want to take your thoughts and elevate

00:27:29.840 them to the same level as God's thoughts, because you want, you're, you're, you're

00:27:33.960 essentially improving on it.

00:27:35.820 It's man-made stuff.

00:27:37.000 That was the first game of, uh, of telephone, more or less.

00:27:39.380 Yeah.

00:27:39.860 Yeah.

00:27:40.100 More or less like anything, anything you do on your own to reach divinity is your

00:27:44.300 religion, is your religion.

00:27:45.540 Eve basically said, well, I know God said we can't eat the fruit, but if we can't touch

00:27:50.100 it either, then we definitely can't eat it.

00:27:52.080 So I've just improved on what God did.

00:27:54.540 That's what religion is.

00:27:56.500 If you look at all the things that man talks about, uh, says that, uh, we should do to be

00:28:01.240 like God, that God never said, like, you know, a benign example of that, you know, when I

00:28:05.360 was growing up, when you went to church, you had to dress nicely.

00:28:07.900 I had to dress in a suit as a kid, you know, going to church.

00:28:11.100 God never said that you have to do that and be in his presence.

00:28:14.480 God doesn't care what your wardrobe is.

00:28:16.340 That's man-made stuff.

00:28:17.800 Right.

00:28:18.060 And all the things we get into, you know, Catholicism is full of religion, all kinds

00:28:21.780 of stuff like lighting candles and rubbing rosary beads and doing all these different

00:28:25.360 things.

00:28:25.560 That's all religion because there's nothing in the Bible about that.

00:28:28.680 That's man-made stuff.

00:28:30.340 That's a burden that's put on you.

00:28:31.680 That's what Jesus, that was Jesus's main problem with the Pharisees.

00:28:34.400 He says in the gospels, you, you heap up all these rules on, on top of man, making it

00:28:39.040 impossible for man to ever come to God because they think they have to obey all these man-made

00:28:43.120 rules.

00:28:43.440 Yeah, doesn't Jesus say something to the effect of like, my yoke is easy, my burden

00:28:47.340 is light?

00:28:47.960 Exactly, yeah.

00:28:48.480 It shouldn't be this big, impossible task to adhere to and to try to follow.

00:28:55.020 How is that true if in the same breath he says that?

00:28:58.300 Exactly.

00:28:58.960 You believe, you, you're saved by believing, but then you have other religions that say,

00:29:02.900 okay, you can, you can believe, but then you have to do all these different other things

00:29:06.340 to be like God.

00:29:07.760 No, he just said, you believe in me and my Holy Spirit will begin to change you.

00:29:12.400 Yeah.

00:29:12.760 So the point of all that is, and then we'll get back to revelation.

00:29:15.560 When, when the Nakash heard her say that you can't touch it, he said, oh, you're religious.

00:29:20.440 You're in pride.

00:29:21.360 You want, you're trying to be like God.

00:29:23.400 Now I know how to get you.

00:29:24.840 And that's what happened.

00:29:25.780 So it's possible that Adam didn't teach her well, or maybe Adam came up with the whole

00:29:31.140 don't touch it thing.

00:29:33.300 Right.

00:29:33.900 I mean, that's like teaching your children, right?

00:29:35.640 Like you, you're kind of a, Oh my God.

00:29:39.000 Yeah.

00:29:39.260 You overteach them to keep them away from that, the serpent in the garden.

00:29:43.340 And then you end up, they end up going towards it instead.

00:29:45.440 It's the same thing.

00:29:46.100 It's like, um, uh, the, the pot is hot and I'm afraid of touching that and getting burned.

00:29:50.380 Right.

00:29:51.120 So instead of saying like the pot is hot, I just tell him to stay out of the kitchen.

00:29:54.740 It's like, well, technically you could be in the kitchen.

00:29:56.360 There's so much going on in the kitchen that you should have access to, but the pot is hot

00:30:00.600 and I'd rather you just not be here at all.

00:30:02.240 And so I'm just gonna make an executive decision.

00:30:03.900 My mom did the same thing with my kids. 1.00

00:30:06.200 She, uh, and she, I guess she did that with me to a certain level and I had to have a talk

00:30:10.240 with her.

00:30:10.520 I'm like, Hey, you can't lie to them.

00:30:12.520 Like I'll tell my kids straight up, even if it's like really brutal.

00:30:16.220 Like the other day, my son was playing with this junk and I was like, don't do that.

00:30:20.040 You're going to like, he's doing weird, you know, just a little kiss. 0.98

00:30:22.480 I was like, you're going to hurt yourself.

00:30:23.640 You can get infection, yada, yada.

00:30:25.120 And he was like, so what?

00:30:26.540 And I was like, you're going to need that.

00:30:27.980 And he's like, for what?

00:30:29.000 And I was like, yes, it's like, you're going to need it.

00:30:31.280 You're going to have, you make babies with that. 0.94

00:30:32.820 And he's four.

00:30:33.740 And he looked at me for like a good, like 30 seconds.

00:30:37.600 And then he's like, let's go play something.

00:30:39.920 And I was like, all right.

00:30:40.560 I said, whatever I just told him here, I was like, oh my God, he's four years old.

00:30:43.760 I'm telling him about like basically the birds and bees, but I can't lie to you.

00:30:46.960 I'm going to tell you the truth because in the end, like when you do learn it, you're

00:30:51.740 not going to trust me later on, you know?

00:30:53.820 Yeah.

00:30:54.200 So that's better than what I did.

00:30:55.580 Cause my son was, for some reason, he was like singing this song the other day and he's 0.98

00:30:59.380 like flicking his nipples. 0.89

00:31:00.580 And instead of me having anything constructive to say about it, I just go, hey, don't do that, 0.99

00:31:05.580 dude.

00:31:05.800 And he's like, why not?

00:31:06.900 And I'm like, cause it's weird. 0.98

00:31:08.060 Don't do weird shit around me. 0.85

00:31:10.960 So maybe I got to like clarify. 0.95

00:31:14.680 He stopped, he was like, oh, I guess it's weird that I won't do that anymore.

00:31:17.440 But he had a song and everything.

00:31:18.460 He was like, flicking these nips, flicking these nips. 1.00

00:31:21.560 I was like, you better get the hell out of here with that shit. 1.00

00:31:25.200 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:26.260 It's a lot.

00:31:26.880 My son's going to be hitting puberty in a couple of years now.

00:31:29.740 Well, we got to, I'm already starting to have talks with him about that kind of stuff.

00:31:32.680 And oh God, I'm not looking forward to that at all.

00:31:35.780 Not, not fun.

00:31:37.300 Not fun.

00:31:37.900 It is funny, by the way, the ways in which like, we derail Ed, but like parenthood really

00:31:45.480 makes you feel like empathize, emphasize with God.

00:31:48.280 You're like, dude, I get it a little bit now.

00:31:50.540 I understand it.

00:31:51.920 Yeah.

00:31:52.280 Yeah.

00:31:53.200 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:53.380 These kids are retarded. 1.00

00:31:55.180 Raven's kid is totally his kid. 1.00

00:31:56.820 It is.

00:31:57.500 If you ever met him, it's incredible.

00:31:59.280 Oh yeah.

00:31:59.780 Oh yeah.

00:32:01.180 All right.

00:32:01.720 All right.

00:32:01.960 So please let's, let's get back on track.

00:32:03.500 Where the hell did we derail you?

00:32:04.500 Um, yeah, we were just about, I forgot how we got on Adam and Eve, but I think, oh no,

00:32:09.380 you know, what I'm saying is that, yeah, you know, you have the millennium was like

00:32:13.440 all the free, was like, you know, all the perfection, but with rules.

00:32:16.820 And it just shows, you know, no matter what we do, we're never going to be like God.

00:32:19.760 So the point is that God has proven his point and now it's time to square things away because

00:32:26.500 we, it's time to get to, it's time to get to heaven.

00:32:30.180 It's time to get to, um, excuse me, the new Jerusalem, but he's got to do the fine 0.99

00:32:34.460 judgment.

00:32:35.240 So we should probably just start by reading, um, my glasses back on, um, the, the passage.

00:32:42.940 Cool.

00:32:43.480 Okay.

00:32:44.200 Um, are we in, let's go to, uh, chapter 20.

00:32:49.800 That's chapter one.

00:32:50.760 I'm like, this isn't right.

00:32:51.920 Okay.

00:32:52.240 Here we go.

00:32:56.180 All right.

00:32:57.400 And let's go down to verse 11.

00:32:59.240 Okay.

00:32:59.640 So, um, and I saw the great, and I saw a great white throne and him that sat on it

00:33:05.880 from whom, whose face the earth and heavens fled away.

00:33:08.140 And, and there was no, it was found no place for them.

00:33:10.900 And I saw the dead, small and great stand before God.

00:33:13.340 And the books were opened and another book was opened, which is the book of life.

00:33:16.640 And the dead were judged out of those things, which were written in the books, according

00:33:20.000 to their works.

00:33:21.040 And the sea gave up the dead, which were in it and death and hell were delivered up to

00:33:24.940 what I'm sorry.

00:33:26.400 And death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them.

00:33:28.460 And they were judged every man, according to their works and death and hell were cast

00:33:32.020 into the lake of fire.

00:33:33.000 This is the second death.

00:33:34.480 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

00:33:38.740 So this is some, this is serious stuff.

00:33:41.200 So what I want to start with is by differentiating between the two different judgments that will

00:33:50.640 happen once we die.

00:33:53.180 There are two judgments, judgment seats.

00:33:55.180 There is the judgment seat of Christ.

00:33:56.580 And there's a great white throne judgment.

00:33:58.520 You want to be in the first one.

00:34:00.100 You want to be at the judgment seat of Christ.

00:34:01.640 You do not want to be in this great white throne that we see in verse 11.

00:34:07.140 The reason is that the judgment seat of Christ is for those who are in Christ.

00:34:12.140 And this is for the great white throne is for people who are not in Christ. 1.00

00:34:17.300 And that term, and here's the thing, we all instinctively, no matter what your faith or

00:34:22.760 religious background or even lack of religious background is, we all instinctively know that

00:34:27.620 we're going to give account for ourselves.

00:34:29.780 We just understand that it's in pop culture that we just know that you can look at any,

00:34:35.320 in a secular source, you die and what's going to happen?

00:34:37.760 You see your life flash before your eyes and you overlook your life.

00:34:41.100 We know that.

00:34:42.200 It's one of the reasons that atheists are atheists, in my opinion.

00:34:45.940 I think that atheists don't want to be accountable. 1.00

00:34:49.040 They're rebelling against being accountable, but they instinctively know it, which is why

00:34:53.500 they're always so bloody angry and why they're so hostile.

00:34:58.020 Because I get them coming into my comments.

00:34:59.860 I know I'm going to have a lot of them coming in with the Genesis series because I'm going to 0.99

00:35:03.080 get into evolution and how stupid and impossible that ridiculous theory is. 0.90

00:35:08.320 And even in my first episode where I just barely, I think I mentioned evolution a little 0.99

00:35:12.160 bit, and I had like atheists just like coming into my comments.

00:35:14.960 I'm like, really?

00:35:17.100 Here's my thing.

00:35:17.820 Here's why I find atheists so funny. 0.99

00:35:19.760 If you are truly an atheist, if you truly believe that there is no God, there's no

00:35:23.540 afterlife, there's no spirituality, nothing.

00:35:25.620 After this life, the 70, 80 years you're here on earth, oblivion.

00:35:29.200 That means that the most precious commodity you have is time because you can never get

00:35:33.880 it back.

00:35:34.320 You can always make more money.

00:35:35.900 You can always have more pleasure, blah, blah.

00:35:38.320 Every second that passes is one second closer to the end.

00:35:41.160 So why would you spend a single second arguing over a God you don't even think is real?

00:35:47.960 Why would you come into someone's comments?

00:35:50.340 And because I don't really engage with them that much.

00:35:52.680 I may give them a one liner because, you know, whatever, but they'll get into arguments

00:35:55.960 with like other Christians on my side.

00:35:59.320 There's one, it's like one, it's like a thread of like 20 different comments and going back

00:36:02.460 and forth.

00:36:02.820 Like this is hours of your life that you're never getting back.

00:36:06.680 Because they're so invested in it not being true to go back to your earlier point.

00:36:09.720 And it's the equivalent to me of like, let's say that, you know, I was, I was mad at top

00:36:16.120 and, you know, I'm going to, I wanted to assault him. 0.70

00:36:18.360 So I would, I'll say, you know, top, I'm so pissed off at you. 1.00

00:36:20.380 I'm going to throw a diamond ring and hit you in the head. 1.00

00:36:23.180 Okay. 1.00

00:36:23.580 Well, I've kind of, I hit you in the head and I've had, I won. 0.88

00:36:27.420 No, I just lost something very precious for the small satisfaction of hitting somebody in 0.90

00:36:32.000 the head. 0.86

00:36:32.300 But I threw, I hit them in the head with something that's extremely precious and valuable. 0.99

00:36:36.180 That's your time, atheist. 0.99

00:36:37.500 What are you doing, spending it, arguing about something you allegedly don't even think is

00:36:42.760 real.

00:36:43.800 But the point is they don't want to be accountable.

00:36:45.900 So what they're trying to do is they're fighting against their unconscious mind.

00:36:50.760 Their unconscious brain knows your unconscious mind sees reality and it's unfiltered.

00:36:58.420 And it's saying, Hey, there's no way life can come from non-life.

00:37:01.920 There's no way, there's no evidence for any of this stuff you believe.

00:37:05.240 So why do you believe it?

00:37:06.300 And, but your conscious brain can fight against it.

00:37:08.380 And they're, they're fight.

00:37:09.860 So anyone, when you're in a fight with an atheist, you're not fighting against them. 0.96

00:37:13.000 They're fighting with themself.

00:37:15.280 That's what the problem is.

00:37:16.700 Right.

00:37:17.020 They're trying to beat themselves.

00:37:18.320 They're trying to defeat you in an argument.

00:37:20.140 So they feel better about themselves. 0.88

00:37:21.720 But again, they're throwing, they're hitting you in the head with a diamond ring.

00:37:24.260 I used to have a buddy who I would, he was atheist and we would go back and forth.

00:37:29.320 And at the time I was agnostic, but I couldn't deny that there was all these elements of spirituality that were there for anybody willing to look.

00:37:36.060 And so we would debate back and forth.

00:37:39.280 We worked together and we'd be in the back, you know, in this warehouse area for hours on end, just going back and forth.

00:37:45.880 And everything he said was, what about this?

00:37:49.300 What about this?

00:37:50.020 What about this?

00:37:50.720 Prove it.

00:37:51.180 And everything that I was saying was like, well, here's this, here's this, here's this, but I don't know at the end of the day.

00:37:56.900 And like, my energy was so much like, well, this is an interesting conversation. 0.95

00:38:01.860 I want to tell you about some interesting shit that I know about. 0.97

00:38:04.360 Who knows? 0.99

00:38:05.160 The mystery of life, right?

00:38:07.200 And this dude who's like, you know, invested, he's constantly trying to like, you know, almost play a verbal game of chess where he's cutting you off ahead of time, laying traps for you, waiting for you to walk into them. 0.86

00:38:18.300 And it would just never work because I was, dude, the debate tactics are so gay.

00:38:22.140 But, you know, I do have that.

00:38:24.060 I've experienced that too, where like, they're so invested.

00:38:26.940 This is a game that they're playing where they have to win.

00:38:29.380 And it's like, why is it so, I think you hit the nail on the head.

00:38:31.580 Why is it so important for them to win?

00:38:33.480 Because it's what gives them solace. 1.00

00:38:36.120 They have to believe that they're not going to have to answer for the shit that they did one day. 1.00

00:38:39.660 Shout out to Aware American, listening from a boom lift today. 0.99

00:38:42.720 This is, I love people.

00:38:44.580 That's awesome.

00:38:45.660 They love tuning in.

00:38:47.180 And we love, we love that you're here.

00:38:49.020 So let's get back on track, you.

00:38:51.500 Yeah.

00:38:51.760 Right.

00:38:52.080 But what you were saying, Raven, you're absolutely right.

00:38:54.460 They are trying to, they're fighting a losing war.

00:38:57.100 Because once, let's say that they happen to be very, very smart.

00:39:00.000 And they're arguing against a believer who's maybe not as, doesn't have the acumen.

00:39:04.480 Okay.

00:39:04.700 You won the fight.

00:39:05.400 Now what?

00:39:05.880 Now you got to go to your next fight because you're still not happy because you weren't fighting.

00:39:09.620 You're not fighting against the Christian.

00:39:10.840 You're fighting against your own mind.

00:39:12.640 Right.

00:39:13.000 And you're never going to be happy.

00:39:14.960 So, but the point is that they know there's accountability and they're fighting against the inevitable.

00:39:19.200 And that's why they're so angry and miserable because they can never, ever win that battle.

00:39:25.060 So.

00:39:25.640 And this, this judgment is for them.

00:39:27.420 We're all, we're talking.

00:39:28.120 So let's talk about the first one, the judgment seat of Christ, which is actually that word judgment.

00:39:34.100 I mean, the Greeks, the word is Bema.

00:39:35.440 It's the Bema seat of Christ. 1.00

00:39:36.820 And I like using the term Bema instead because judgment sounds like, well, okay, Jesus, Jesus is here to judge you for everything you've done as a Christian.

00:39:44.960 Not in the bad sense.

00:39:46.580 The, the word Bema is actually, the Greeks came up with that word.

00:39:50.420 It's the word they use in their Olympics.

00:39:51.820 We know, you know, the Greeks invented the Olympics.

00:39:53.240 So what that judgment seat, that Bema seat is, is what we see after the Olympic games. 0.99

00:39:58.700 When you are given a reward, you're getting, you know, gold, silver, or bronze.

00:40:02.400 It's not about what you've done wrong.

00:40:04.600 It's about how well did you do what you did right.

00:40:07.600 So that's what the judgment seat of Christ is.

00:40:09.980 The Bema seat of Christ is reward. 1.00

00:40:12.840 Now understand this.

00:40:14.000 And the one thing that both judgments have in common is that there are quote unquote books.

00:40:18.020 I mean, I think that's probably more, more, more allegorical.

00:40:20.920 I don't think God has, you know, actually parchment up in heaven, but I think he's, you know, he's, he's saying this that we understand he's, he's couching it in the term of, of books so that we understand it.

00:40:29.940 What it's basically saying is that everything you're doing is recorded from the moment you are, I'm going to say you're born.

00:40:35.120 I think the moment you understand accountability, when you know right from wrong, everything you do, both good and bad is recorded.

00:40:41.340 The difference between the two judgments is that when, if you're a Christian, when that book is opened, you have on one side, everything bad you've done on the other side, everything good you've done on, you know, for Christ.

00:40:54.860 But next to everything bad you've done is crossed out and says paid for.

00:41:00.880 So you, you're not judging it because Jesus already died for it.

00:41:04.420 You're just, you're evaluated on everything you did that was good or that you did in the name of Jesus.

00:41:12.900 So, and that, and you're going to be rewarded based on that.

00:41:15.880 Right. So that's what it is. It's, it's no, it's the, the Bema seat of Christ is an award ceremony. 0.73

00:41:20.040 So it's going to be great. It's going to be the opposite of, of the other one.

00:41:23.620 Can I just say how ridiculous it is, by the way, from the perspective of, of God, it's like, you know, you have atheists, shout out Mark. 0.98

00:41:29.960 Thank you, brother. And shout out Steven. 0.95

00:41:33.180 You have atheists who are so wrapped up in, in disproving God for fear of, you know, their own accountability or having to take accountability. 0.95

00:41:42.460 And it's like, imagine how strange that is from, from God's point of view.

00:41:46.340 I mean, he understands us and he made us. So I suppose it's not strange, but a little insulting where it's like, Hey, yeah, you did sin a lot.

00:41:53.860 You're imperfect. You're, you're kind of a mess, but I gave you salvation through, you know, through Jesus Christ.

00:42:00.540 You can find forgiveness for those things that are haunting you to the degree that you fight feverishly against anybody who espouses the name of God in front of you.

00:42:08.180 You know, so it's like this thing that you're so worried about. Well, the, the, the answer for it, the solution is, is right there.

00:42:16.020 It's right in front of your face and you don't have to be burdened by this.

00:42:19.420 You don't have to be so caught up in your own self disdain, which is more than likely the motivator, right?

00:42:24.080 For that, that type of behavior. It's a, it's a, we are like really weird.

00:42:28.920 We are human beings are weird as shit. 0.99

00:42:30.940 Well, because again, the issue is if you believe that and you say, you know what? Okay. I want my sins forgiven. I believe in Jesus. 0.99

00:42:38.880 Well, the problem with that is now you've got to live like it. And that means you're going to have to not do everything you want to do because it's not because it won't be forgiven.

00:42:48.780 It's because you're supposed to be getting rewards. Now your, your, your, your heart is going to be changed. And we, do we still sin? Of course I've, I've sinned today.

00:42:57.180 I'm going to sin tomorrow, but I'm not trying to, and I know that I'm forgiven and I'm actually making an effort to, you know, to, to be better and to do better and to do it for, for, for, for Jesus because of reward.

00:43:08.640 If you look at, um, a lot of the Jesus's teachings and parables and things like that, if you really break it down, they come down to two messages, salvation and reward.

00:43:19.600 Like for example, and you can tell them because the salvation parables are always binary. There's either someone does right and they come to the kingdom. If they do wrong, they go into outer darkness where there, where there's, you know, a wailing and gnashing of teeth. That's a salvation message.

00:43:34.060 Then you have the reward message. And these are all because, because salvation is, is, is qualitative either, you know, heaven or hell. Um, the reward messages are quantitative.

00:43:43.960 We talked about one last time, but you know, there were three men who were, who were given, um, you know, different levels of meanness or talents. One was given 10, one was given a five, one was given one. And as they were judged, one of them, God says, okay, great. You, the one who had 10, you did great. I'm putting you over 10 cities.

00:43:59.260 The one who had five, he did great. I'm putting you over five cities. And the one who didn't have, who didn't do, did poorly. He was, he was kicked out. That's a reward judgment.

00:44:08.920 So that's what Jesus was trying to teach people. Salvation and reward. If you, salvation is binary, either you're saved or you're not. Rewards are again, are quantitative. So we're all not going to have the same reward.

00:44:19.820 And I believe, and I did mention this, I did not mention this in, in the, um, in the millennium episode, but I think that those rewards either primarily or exclusively are going to be, um, executed in, in the millennium because those, those rewards are about reigning over, over certain areas and people and having authority.

00:44:39.280 And I don't think that when we get to the new Jerusalem, which we'll talk about a few shows from now, I don't think anyone that's going to be over anyone else as far as, you know, as far as government hierarchy.

00:44:50.420 I think at that point, we're all going to be, I guess, quote unquote equal. We will, we'll be unique. We'll have our uniqueness that we'll live in, but it's not like I'm going to be in charge of a bunch of people in the same way as a government.

00:45:01.840 So I'm, so my thought is that all these rewards are for the millennium. So you get a thousand years of, uh, you know, if you're a Christian, all the Christians, everyone's going to be resurrected.

00:45:11.020 And for a thousand years, you're going to walk in the authority and reward, which isn't bad. Let's say you live for 80 years. Great. And you do good. You get a thousand years of reward. And then we all go into, into the new Jerusalem. That's, that's my, I could be wrong, but that is, that's my thought.

00:45:25.900 It seems like the angels jobs, although we as human beings kind of, uh, I like to rank them as like, which, which I think is most important, but it doesn't seem that, that way to them. It just seems like a job. So like the angel of the seas, is this what you're kind of getting at? Like, depending on your reward is what you'll be responsible over. And then that goes to what we, it's not going to be this episode. I suppose it'll be the new Jerusalem where we're talking about like, well, what will it look like? What will your purpose be there? What are we going to do? So it all, it all hinges on this.

00:45:55.900 That's great too, because if you look into a lot of like Gnostic and new age beliefs, they kind of believe that you're going to return to some sort of like central consciousness and go back to source is, is some of the language they like to use. And when you start getting into that, it's like, there's a lot of questions. What about my loved ones? What about my sense of self and identity and personality? And there's a lot of things within our own culture where it talks about like ego death, right? If you're going to achieve this level of like ascended master yogi, you have to be this selfless kind of ethereal entity.

00:46:25.720 That has no personality anymore. It is now elevated to, and I'm like, I don't think that we are as diverse in our personality for no reason. I think God made us this way. I think it's one of the things that is so beautiful about the human species is the diversity and personality.

00:46:41.160 Um, and I couldn't imagine, like, I, I personally don't want some sort of future where I abstain from ever seeing my loved ones again. And I go on to join some sort of conscious unit where I dissolve all of self and then become energy. Like, ah, that sounds gay.

00:46:58.120 That sounds like a misery. So, you know, I never understood that when it's, I just don't believe that, um, my personality is, is indicative of like two things. It's, it's the way that God made me. And then the way that this life has shaped me, you know, it's, it's given some more definition to this thing. I was born as a certain person. Like, you know, you have like one kid and another kid. 0.93

00:47:28.120 Circumstances, but dramatically different personalities. Like God formed us that idea of like, I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb. Like, yeah, I think that is very literal. Like he knew you, you, this individual personality. I don't think that that's to be given up. And then, you know, you dissolve into the ether. I don't, I don't believe that.

00:47:46.220 It would, it would make no sense. And, and, and what benefit would it be for, for God to say, okay, you, you have, you have these different divergent lives, billions of people, and now you're just going to be one thing that thinks exactly the same. And my, my example of this is the Trinity is not the same. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have different personalities. We talked about this when, when, when we had, when we had John Linhart on, they have intangible drivers. God, God is exhorter perceiver. Jesus is server, server.

00:48:15.600 The Holy Spirit is administrator, server. They have different jobs, different roles, different personalities.

00:48:20.860 I want to address this real quick. Shout out to Xerox. I think this is, I think he's really saying something that is, is much more important than even just a small, you know, chat contribution. Ego death doesn't shut off your ego. It disconnects you from God. And I, I kind of, that resonates with me because right now in the psychedelic world, in the Joe Rogan verse, right, where you're telling people to do psychedelics, it's an ego killer, right?

00:48:44.020 You have to destroy your ego, your sense of self, and then you gain enlightenment. I'm like, I don't, I don't think so, dog.

00:48:49.520 I think that that is, you're like, that's literally saying kill the uniqueness that God has given you.

00:48:55.300 Right. And who does that benefit? We talked about this like several episodes ago. The purpose of government is to make us all the same so that we're easier to rule.

00:49:03.800 So who is benefiting from, or who wants us to, to give up our uniqueness and all be exactly the same?

00:49:10.020 Oh man, here. B Plissken says, yeah, sounds like encouragement to evacuate. If you are abstaining, if you're getting rid of this uniqueness that God has given you, well, then certainly you're emptying a vessel and making room for something else.

00:49:22.380 It's like when you get possessed, what do they, what do these entities do? They take control over you. They push your personality down. They keep you subverted and submissive and they start to steer.

00:49:33.540 It's like, yeah, that probably makes it a lot easier for would-be entities that seek to possess you, to take control of you.

00:49:40.160 There is nothing that the elites and the entity that the elites worship more, want more than for us to all be the same. They want us all. You're either Republican or Democrat. You all have to think exactly the same way I'm bringing politics into it.

00:49:53.340 And you have to all believe the exact same thing because we're easier to control.

00:49:58.280 Right. Do you want me to become the gray NPC meme? That's what you want? You want me to kill my ego and become the faceless NPC meme?

00:50:05.320 Let me just say, at some point I was like, I had something to say there. I had something to say there. And then at another point I just stopped and I'm like, I'm just listening. I'm like, I enjoy this show, but it's like a tragedy that I'm on it. Cause now I got to like talk.

00:50:19.700 Sometimes we get in the groove, dude. Sometimes we touch on something that we wouldn't do this if we didn't love this shit. 1.00

00:50:24.560 I'm watching you guys pass the bull, like just barefoot. 1.00

00:50:25.780 Yeah. When we get to the new Jerusalem, we're going to dive even deeper into it because that's really what we're talking about. I mean, we'll get there. 0.59

00:50:33.280 Right. Right. Just the final thought on that right here. Deaf, not exorcist. I think they misuse the term. Ego can be the safety blanket you need to let go of. Yeah. There's a difference between what they're asking. It's like a lot of these new age movements are like kill the sense of self, you know, and then other things like maybe don't be so full of yourself.

00:50:50.500 Obviously that's a good thing to experience, you know, don't take yourself so seriously, but early in this, in this series, we, we talked about submission, right? And it's one of the harder things to do. I'm still not sure that I've completely done it, but especially as men, I think that's like, that's what we're talking about here. Submission to God, not stripping myself of who I am.

00:51:12.120 It's basically whose, whose will are you going to pursue? Are you going to pursue your will? Are you going to pursue God's will? You don't have, and you can pursue God's will and still be yourself because what I do and the way I do it, it pleases, I'm hopefully, it's hopefully it's pleasing God, but it's not going to be the same way as, as, as you top or are you Raven? Because you're different people. God can use you differently. If we were all the same, then we're, we're not going to benefit anyone.

00:51:36.120 That's right. We're here to have different ways of reaching people.

00:51:39.160 Weren't we put here to prophesy? Like that's the, the, the, the main function, right? It's like, we have to spread the word of God. And, and so, um, I, a lot of people get upset with us. A lot of other Christians who are more buttoned up get upset with us. And I'm like, look, dude, we're reaching, we're literally pulling in dangerous retards. These are people that, that believe in God, but don't have that in them to adhere to this like staunch, buttoned up, conservative, like holier than thou kind of atmosphere. 1.00

00:52:05.780 That some of the church promotes, uh, and we're reaching these people. And if we're reaching these people, I can't imagine for a second that God doesn't want me to use this screwed up personality that I have to try to pull people in.

00:52:18.660 It was never my intention to do that anyway, but it just so happens. So like when people get upset about it, I'm like, I don't really know what to tell you. I'm not out here like actively doing a ministry. I'm doing this thing. I find interesting and other people do too.

00:52:31.700 So that's it may be more interesting and they'll follow you. I guess that's why you're mad.

00:52:35.840 Exactly. I mean, some people are going to gravitate to the way I teach. Some people are going to say, I don't like it. He had the way Ed teaches. He does this, you know, he gets too technical in these areas. He gets too clinical. I want like, you know, praise worship kind of thing. I don't do that.

00:52:48.320 But there are other people who do. And that's great. If that appeals to you, I'm, I'm a teacher. Some people don't like being taught. Some people would want to be inspired.

00:52:55.240 So that's why one of the things that really annoyed me about church, which is why I, you know, I just, I don't attend a formal church is because they were all, they all had the same thing.

00:53:02.800 You, you start with this song, then you do this thing, then you have the preaching and then you have the other thing. And here's the thing. I have no problem praising God. I think it's great, but I don't praise God through song.

00:53:12.580 Sitting through a bunch of like five or six worship songs bores the crap out of me. I praise God when I'm out in nature, when I am walking through the, through on a hike with my dog. And I'm like, this is glorious. This world you made is beautiful. That's me praising God. That's me communing with God. I get more out of that than I do listening to some boring song with an acoustic guitar and people who can't sing trying to sing. I'm like, oh, try, you can't sing trying to sing. I'm like, oh, that's the last church that I went to.

00:53:41.140 The last church that I went to was a, it was a, I sat down also in a white lady with dreadlocks gets on stage and she starts singing and everybody's putting their hands in the air like this. And I, I couldn't, it's gay. It's like, dude, I'm there. I'm trying to strengthen my relationship with God. But there was an overwhelming voice in my head. That's like, this is gay. What are we doing here? This is so gay. 0.97

00:54:00.440 And I feel horrible because in the old church that I went to, it was the same thing. The musicians, I was in charge of like the musicianship for like Fridays. They, they wanted to move us up to the Sunday show, which was, it's a whole retarded thing. 1.00

00:54:13.440 But the main, the main person was just not good. Like objectively not good. Like to the point where we didn't even want him to bring them in to our band on Friday. Cause it was like, he would mess things up. And when you go there to worship, my dad would tell me, he's like, listen, it's about what we're doing. We're worshiping. It's not about how good it is. And I'm like, but I can't, I can't get by it.

00:54:33.440 Yeah. It offends my sensibilities. Right. Yeah. But the thing is, there are other people who are into it. I mean, and that's fine for them. So I'm not saying that it's wrong for everyone. I'm just saying that you cannot tell us we're all going to worship the same way. If you're into raising your hands and singing off key and that works for you, then dude, do that thing. I'm not, but you're forcing it on me.

00:54:56.920 I can't even raise my hands, dude. I can't even raise my hands. I looked over to my wife and my son and they're like, hell yeah, dude. And I'm like,

00:55:02.040 there's a church my wife and I were attending. Um, God, I don't want, they might, someone might be

00:55:07.100 listening to that church. So I feel bad by saying it, but because someone didn't follow me, I'm like,

00:55:12.600 you know, I'm like, Oh, someone breaks out a harmonica. I'm like, Oh my God, what are you,

00:55:16.280 Stevie Wonder? I don't want to hear. But the point is that God does not want me to worship him in a way

00:55:23.600 that is not unique. It has not been my uniqueness because he knows I'm being fake. If I were to raise my

00:55:28.760 hands and try to see, I'm, I'm not being real. So that's the whole thing. And I, now we're, so

00:55:33.100 we're, let's, let's table that till we get to the new Jerusalem. Cause I really want to get into

00:55:37.420 uniqueness. Um, but I want to get back to the, uh, so to the judgment seat, the beam of seat of Christ.

00:55:44.380 So again, so you're being rewarded and this actually answers, um, a question that I've gotten from a lot

00:55:50.180 of people about, you know, the fairness of our time here on earth. And the example that, that they gave

00:55:56.660 me was, okay, you have two people who are both Christians, but they became Christians in different

00:56:00.160 ways. You have one who, um, was maybe raised in the church. They became a Christian early on.

00:56:06.140 And when they were a kid, they've lived a good life, you know, they've done their best, but you

00:56:10.760 know, maybe they weren't financially prosperous. Maybe they had some struggles, but they were like,

00:56:14.660 my grandmother's a perfect example. One of the godliest women I ever knows, you know, she passed away 0.92

00:56:18.740 in 2012, but she was amazing. She literally built our church, but she only had a junior high school

00:56:24.440 education. She was never financially prosperous, but she was a great woman. So she dies. She goes

00:56:29.080 to heaven. Think of another guy, complete scumbag, um, you know, doing horrible things, um, selling 1.00

00:56:35.180 drugs or sex trafficking, just live and living a, uh, worldly, great life, money, houses, cars. Yeah. 1.00

00:56:42.060 It's all these things. And then he's dying. He's on his deathbed and he looks back on his life and

00:56:46.560 say, you know what? I was a piece of crap. This is, I don't want, I don't want to, I don't want to go. 1.00

00:56:51.800 I don't want to die like this. So we have the confession. Hmm. I said, shout out Andrew Tate.

00:56:58.340 Well, okay. It's a contentious point, right? Where people like, well, so what about Hitler?

00:57:05.480 Right. Yeah. We're going to get to Hitler when we get to the great white throne. Cause I have a 0.91

00:57:09.080 similar, uh, um, analogy. So he calls in a priest right before he dies, says, I confess my sins.

00:57:15.220 I want to believe in Jesus. I I'm sorry for everything I did. He dies. He's sincere, sincere believer.

00:57:20.300 They both go to heaven. How is that fair? Well, it's fair because of the two, he, he, he got into

00:57:27.360 heaven. They both get into heaven, but he's not going to have any reward because he hasn't done

00:57:31.120 anything to, to, to deserve it. He had all his reward here on earth for the 70 years he lived

00:57:36.300 that my grandmother, as an example, she's going to have tremendous reward. So they both get into heaven,

00:57:41.460 but they have different experiences. Um, when they get into the afterlife, that's why it's fair.

00:57:46.580 That's great because a lot of people approach this with a reductive point of view. It's like, oh,

00:57:51.180 so you can do whatever the hell you want. And then you could just say, Jesus, forgive me. And that's

00:57:54.860 it. And it's like, that's, that's, um, a paper thin version. Yeah. That's a paper. Yeah.

00:58:01.920 You can live in the section eight of heaven, dog. You can live in an outhouse.

00:58:06.560 Like you won't, you know what, you won't burn eternally or anything like that, but your neighbors,

00:58:10.560 they're going to play loud music all night. So it's not going to be good. It'll be,

00:58:14.680 it'll be worship music, but it's still going to be loud.

00:58:17.220 Yeah. You're going to live on the, like, you're going to live on the bottom floor of an apartment

00:58:19.760 complex. Everyone's going to be, you're going to hear everyone stomping. And then everybody

00:58:22.640 above you has six kids. That's what it's going to be like. Sorry, dude.

00:58:26.400 Yeah. So that's how it's fair. I mean, because again, we're not saved by our works. We're saved

00:58:30.960 by what Jesus did, but our reward is up to us. Our salvation is not up to us as far as,

00:58:35.560 you know, the, the, um, the credit for, but what we get. And so, so that's why I think,

00:58:40.320 I think it's primarily going to be in the millennium, but I, but I think there's also going to be some,

00:58:43.900 um, additional, um, recompense in a good way, um, for eternity. And, and, you know, the person

00:58:49.480 like my grandmother or like, you know, it's a person who's lived a good Christian life.

00:58:53.500 They're going to be in a higher status for eternity. So, um, so yeah, so that's, that's the

00:59:00.200 beam of seat of Christ. That's where we want to be. On the other hand, you have the great white

00:59:05.440 throne judgment. This is for those who made the decision not to have their sins taken care of.

00:59:11.120 As I said, we, the one thing that everyone has in common is all of our stuff, all of our works

00:59:15.580 are recorded. And the question is how is justice going to be meted out? Because God, that's what

00:59:22.340 the definition of justice is equaling everything out. I mean, I, when I, it's even technically the

00:59:28.200 word karma. I know that karma has this all woo woo kind of thing too, but it's, it's technically,

00:59:32.020 um, the correct. I mean, what you basically pay for what you do. And the, but the difference

00:59:37.680 between Christianity and say Hinduism with karma is that Jesus has taken care of all the bad parts 0.75

00:59:43.320 of all the bad stuff. But if you are not with Jesus, then you're actually going to get the

00:59:48.300 accountability that you want. Cause think about this. I've had people say to me, no, um, why should

00:59:55.940 I be with Jesus? I mean, I'm, I'm a good person. I've lived a good life. I do good things.

01:00:01.420 Why should I go to hell just because I decided I, you know, that Christianity is not for me? 0.95

01:00:07.500 Why should I, because here's the thing, you're not going to be with God because of how many good

01:00:14.240 or bad things you did. You want to be in the presence of God because you're perfect here.

01:00:19.900 John chapter, first John one five, it says that God is light and there is no darkness in him at all.

01:00:26.200 Meaning that there cannot be one iota of darkness in the presence of God. So in order to be in the

01:00:31.640 presence of God, you can't be more good than you are bad. You have to be completely good, which we

01:00:37.500 are not capable of. You have to have your sins remitted. That's, that's the qualification.

01:00:42.900 And I, I, I give this example, um, another story. Let's say that you, you know, you're having dinner

01:00:50.500 with your wife and kids or whatever you guys use six o'clock, whatever you're having dinner here,

01:00:54.900 knock on your door, go open your door. There's a guy standing there you've never seen before in

01:00:58.680 your life. He says, hi, he's with, he has a bunch of suitcases with him. He says, hi, my name's Bob.

01:01:04.420 I've come here to live with you in your house forever. Do you let him in? No.

01:01:08.240 Shoot him right there. Yeah. If you're not, if you're in a carrying state, you might. And he's 1.00

01:01:16.560 like, no, Bob, get out of here. Like, well, you don't understand. I'm a good person. I've lived a

01:01:21.820 great life. You know, I'm kind, I'm generous. I pay my taxes. I work hard. So I, why can't I come

01:01:28.820 and live with you? Cause I don't know you, Bob egg. You nailed it. It's not about whether how good Bob is.

01:01:36.340 It's the fact that you don't, you don't have a relationship with him. Let's say on the other

01:01:40.000 hand, I'll speak for myself. Cause I don't know your family situation. Let's say, you know, I have

01:01:44.340 a cousin who's a piece of, he's a piece of crap. I love the guy, but he's made a lot of mistakes. 1.00

01:01:49.580 He comes to my house. He knocks on the door and says, Hey, you know what? Can I come? Can I come

01:01:53.860 stay here with you for a while? I let him in. Maybe he's not as good a person as Bob, but the difference

01:01:59.920 is I have a relationship with this retard. So he's going to come into my house because I have a relationship 1.00

01:02:05.580 with him. You're talking directly to David. It's crazy. I'm welcoming Ed's home.

01:02:13.640 It's the same thing with God. God lets you into his house because of relationship, not because

01:02:19.340 we're good. There may be atheists out there who are nicer people than me. They're probably

01:02:22.920 actually, I know one. Let me, when I first moved up here to the Bay area, um, I was in an apartment

01:02:27.480 and I remember I was doing laundry, um, down the hall and this guy walks, older gentleman comes in.

01:02:32.880 He, you know, we strike up a conversation and somehow it gets to religion. I think it was

01:02:37.400 because I think George W. Bush may have been an officer Obama or somebody like that. And it got

01:02:41.660 onto, onto faith. And we were talking about that in politics. And he said, yeah, you know,

01:02:46.620 Christianity, I'm just not into it. I said, well, you know, I'm a Christian. He said, you know,

01:02:49.280 he said, I respect that. But you know me, he said, I'm a humanist. You know, I just believe in man.

01:02:53.060 I said, well, dude, you've got more faith than me. Cause man has always let me down. God never has,

01:02:57.700 but yeah, good for you. Cool guy, sweet guy. Nothing. You know, I'm sure he was, he's probably

01:03:03.640 a much nicer guy than, I mean, he's that old and he still has that great disposition,

01:03:06.920 but it's not about who's good or who's better or worse. It's about who has a relationship

01:03:12.600 with God. There is that famous and pretty scary verse. I think it's in, in, in a Matthew chapter

01:03:19.500 seven, where, where Jesus says, people are going to come to me at the end and say, Jesus, didn't I do

01:03:25.160 all these good works? And in your name, did not do all these great things. And Jesus is going to

01:03:30.020 say, depart from me. I never knew you. He didn't deny that they did good things. He said, I never

01:03:37.980 knew you. We don't have a relationship. So you got to go. Why does that seem so obvious? You know

01:03:44.100 what I mean? Like on, it seems so obvious when you put it that way. Well, Raven, it's the standard

01:03:47.960 that we all set for ourselves. So if you're mad at God for, for not allowing you into heaven because

01:03:53.000 of your goodness, then you should have let them, when Bob knocks on your door, you're going to,

01:03:57.860 you should let him in. And if you're not, then you're holding God to a standard. You aren't

01:04:00.780 holding yourself, which makes you a hypocrite. It's like, in the end, you go to Jesus and you're 0.96

01:04:04.300 like, how come look at all the things I did, dude. And Jesus is like, ew, I don't know you.

01:04:09.680 That's pretty much it, dude. That's a, I mean, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense.

01:04:14.140 It would be evident too, from the person, because like when, when even asking them, like asking,

01:04:19.340 the person's going to have to reconcile, like, I don't even really know him. And I actually went

01:04:24.640 out of my way not to, it's everywhere. Right. It's rough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So not

01:04:29.300 only does God not know them, they don't know him. And that's like my main thing in faith by reason

01:04:34.380 is I want people to know God as well as possible. I'm learning every day. And I try to pass that on

01:04:39.300 because I want, I want, I want to know him and I want to help other people know him. Cause Hey,

01:04:43.120 I want to get some of that reward, but, but, but that's, that's kind of the thing you're,

01:04:48.640 you're going to be, again, if you do not choose relationship, then the only fair thing to do

01:04:54.400 would be to judge you based on your works. But, and that's what they say. I'm a good person. Okay.

01:04:58.880 Well, let's judge your good works. This is an interesting question. Um, Ed,

01:05:02.700 maybe you can address that to struggling in faith count as a relationship. And it isn't there a precedent

01:05:08.320 for, you know, wrestling with God. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Jacob wrestled with God.

01:05:12.900 I've wrestled with God. I've had, I was talking to a buddy of mine. I was in LA for Thanksgiving,

01:05:17.940 seeing my family and I, I, you know, got together with, with actually my best friend. He was the best

01:05:21.660 man at my wedding. Um, you know, we don't see each other as much as we used to because, you know,

01:05:25.500 we live in different parts of the state now, but his, his wife, um, about in 2018, um, I cancer passed away

01:05:33.220 tough. I mean, harsh, like God wouldn't wish it on anyone. And he's,

01:05:37.780 he struggled with it understandably. And he's gotten angry with God, completely understandable.

01:05:43.220 And I told his name is Pete. And I said, Pete, dude, I'm with you. I, and he, and he's,

01:05:46.940 and he was asking me about, you know, how do I, how do I deal with it when I'm angry at God?

01:05:52.340 I said, you know what? I get, I do get angry with him. Things happen. I've had screaming matches

01:05:56.800 where I'm out, I'm by myself and hiking. I'm so I don't get locked up. And I'm like, you know,

01:06:01.380 one thing I've said to God at many times is I don't like the way you do things.

01:06:04.760 I don't like the way I, why can't you make this easier? Why do I have to go through all

01:06:10.000 this? Why do I have to jump through all these bloody hoops? Why do I have to do all this

01:06:13.460 stuff? I struggle things. I mean, I know that God is just, and he's righteous and his way

01:06:21.080 is the best way, but I don't like it.

01:06:23.720 You remember, you remember like maybe two months ago, David, right around Bohemian Grove

01:06:28.340 where like we had a phone call and I, I said something, I used to say wild out of pocket 0.99

01:06:33.980 shit. But I was just like, uh, I said, you know, if, if you called me to do this, uh, I get that 0.98

01:06:41.160 there'd be obstacles for whatever we're trying to do and outright, like cut it out. That's like,

01:06:47.840 that's enough. I've had enough now. So let's move, let's move forward or, or we can stop this.

01:06:54.820 That's, that's kind of what I told David on the phone, but I'm talking, I was talking to God

01:06:58.640 outright. And I'm like, probably shouldn't talk to him like that, but I guess he heard

01:07:03.120 you can't. And here's a couple of things. Number one is, you know, when I have struggles,

01:07:08.960 when I say the same things, like, why isn't, why is it that, you know, I'm still trying to build 0.99

01:07:13.100 my followers and you have, again, idiots like Billy Carson, probably have hundreds of thousands 1.00

01:07:19.100 of them. And I, I, I'll be on YouTube and I'll see someone who's, who's doing some Bible 1.00

01:07:23.160 teaching. And I'm like, you're okay. But I mean, ego aside, I think I'm better than you.

01:07:28.280 Why, how come you have, you know, a hundred thousand followers and you know, I'm, I'm,

01:07:33.440 I'm still in four digits. It's all in God's time. Exactly. Exactly. That's the point. But,

01:07:38.140 but to your point top, read, read some of the Psalms and some of the Psalms, you will see that

01:07:42.180 the Psalmist is literally saying, God, why are you so far from me? Why are, why I cry out in the night

01:07:47.100 and you don't hear me? I, you know, I, I cry in the daytime and you're far from me. So clearly

01:07:53.020 God is okay hearing that because why would he put it in the Bible if he didn't want you to express it

01:07:57.540 and God, and he can take it. I think like, if you're, if you're disciplining your child, right?

01:08:03.660 It's like, what's better when your kid just like looks to you after they get in trouble and they

01:08:09.040 just like ignore it and they walk away and they act like it didn't just happen. Or when they go like,

01:08:13.600 why? I don't understand. Well, it's like, well, now's an opportunity for you to try to understand.

01:08:17.740 Right. No, I fully, I fully understood. At this point, I said, I understand what you're doing or

01:08:24.400 like, you're not doing this, but I understand the lesson and the severity of whatever you want me

01:08:29.000 to learn. And that's, that's a personal thing to me. But I said, that's enough. Like I've like,

01:08:34.140 this has gone far enough. That's enough. I get it. And guess what? It kind of stopped and things

01:08:40.140 are actually, I don't know if he's like knock on wood, but much better than before.

01:08:45.000 I think that my, my, um, mistake that I made in my youth, because even when I was agnostic,

01:08:50.900 I would still pray to God. And because I didn't, I always felt like there was a, something that was

01:08:57.500 going to get lost in the message. I always made sure that I was like, you know, the father that

01:09:01.480 Jesus Christ references. But when I was homeless, um, I don't know why I did this. I would pray often,

01:09:09.340 especially when things got really hard, you can imagine you getting like really dark places.

01:09:12.440 It was like feelings of like worthlessness. And, um, and I would only, I dude, I would only ever ask

01:09:20.180 for things to be okay. That was it. And, and then recently I've been asking for like more,

01:09:28.560 like if it's in alignment with God's will, if, if this is what he wants, then put me on that path and,

01:09:35.340 and let's try to build something. And, um, I think I was wrong when I was younger. I think,

01:09:43.120 I don't think God wants you to just understand everything that happens to you and go, well,

01:09:48.780 it must be God's will. And then to never ask for anything better. I don't think that's what God

01:09:53.420 wants because that's all I got. Like things were okay. I didn't die. You know what I mean?

01:09:59.460 I'm still here. Um, K2 didn't die. Smoked some K2. Um, you know, things were okay. In hindsight, 0.73

01:10:06.740 I would say, despite everything that I've gone through, I was okay. And it was okay. Um,

01:10:11.960 I think I was wrong to not ask for things. I think God does want you to wrestle with him. I think God

01:10:16.200 does want you to understand him. I think God does want you to ask for more. I think God wants you to,

01:10:20.440 to rise to the occasion and take responsibility and take an undertaking, go and do something.

01:10:25.400 You're here to prophesy. You're here to spread the word of God. You're here to bring people towards

01:10:28.420 Christ. Do something. I don't think God wants you to just go. I do it. I'm telling you for like

01:10:33.460 so many years, a decade of my life at more than a decade of my life, I would go through hard times

01:10:39.100 and I would just say, God, please see you do it. That one day things are okay. What a, what a,

01:10:43.920 what a wet blanket of a, of a prayer, dude. What do you think? How would you feel if your son came to

01:10:51.360 you, you're, you have, you have a ton of money or whatever. And your son says, you know what?

01:10:56.000 You come, you come for dinner. You have, you have a nice dinner. And he says, you know, I just want

01:10:59.380 a piece of bread, dad. That's all. Just, just, oh my God. What a great analogy. Right. And here's

01:11:05.680 the thing, two things. First of all, I want to say to the commenter, I want to just emphasize,

01:11:09.200 yes, your struggle in faith proves your relationship because you wouldn't be struggling

01:11:13.060 against something or someone who you didn't know or weren't trying to know. So I want to just,

01:11:17.440 uh, uh, exhort the person who, who, who wrote into that chat. Yes. That you are. That is proof

01:11:23.940 of your relationship. The other thing is what you were saying resonated so much with me because

01:11:27.500 it's something that I've been dealing with recently over the past few months.

01:11:31.000 I've been doing faith by reason since 2010. Why hasn't it grown? You know why? Because I never

01:11:37.260 asked. I just said, you got, I'm just going to do your will. I'm just going to put all this stuff up

01:11:40.480 there, but I never said I want to grow, but you know what I did about roughly last year? I said,

01:11:45.060 you know what? I want to grow this more. I want to, and not only did I just say I wanted to do it.

01:11:48.600 I started, I, you know, the first, my channel started growing the first time I was on Sam

01:11:53.040 Tripoli's show. Right. I would listen to him all the time, but I never did anything. So once I just,

01:11:57.740 he had no Mark the Booker. He was, he was a guest on the show and he mentioned who he was and gave

01:12:01.640 his website out. And I just said, I'm going to write it and say, Hey, hi, Mark. My name is Ed. I have

01:12:06.100 this thing. I think Sam might like it. Put me on. And I was on the show because I did something

01:12:10.980 about it. And now I'm on podcasts a lot now because I, I'm, I asked for it and I want more.

01:12:18.100 God wants to give us abundance. Just like, you know, if you're, if you have a five course meal

01:12:22.420 and your son comes and asks you for a cracker, well, okay, here's your cracker. If that's all

01:12:26.500 you want, but look what I could give you if you do it in the right way at the right time. So yeah,

01:12:31.560 that's incredible. Yeah. I, I, I, I did. I felt like it was wrong to the, the, the mindset that I had

01:12:37.900 was like, how could I possibly begin to understand what God has in store for me? And how could I

01:12:42.140 possibly object to the things that are happening to me? Um, while not knowing if they would be good

01:12:47.680 for me in the end. And, and really all that made me was like super lukewarm. You know what I mean?

01:12:52.960 Where it was like, I was inactive. I'm just sitting there like, well, this is probably going to be good

01:12:56.420 for me one day. And God is, it feels like God was like, yo, ask for more dog. Like, what are you

01:13:01.280 doing? You're eating donuts from a dumpster. You could have more than this. That's incredible.

01:13:07.660 That's a great analogy though. I do love that you prepared this meal and this kid is coming up

01:13:11.820 asking for a glass of water and crackers. It's, it's something that I learned from Clint

01:13:15.560 and Clint is, uh, I, well, he went from an atheist and now I think he thinks that there is a God,

01:13:20.620 but he's just a dude that's like, like, like we were doing an event in Georgia and, uh, the tower

01:13:28.140 gang was going to go down. So, uh, the guy said, yeah, could you come down? And, and he said,

01:13:33.520 we'll give you this much. And Clint says, tell them that we want this much. And I'm like, I don't,

01:13:37.240 I hate doing that. And I was like, are you sure? Should I, should we, and I was just like,

01:13:41.840 they want, we want this much. And he was like, yeah, here, take it. And I'm like, holy crap.

01:13:45.580 Like you just asked for it and you did it. And Clint's a millionaire. He's like, yeah, just ask. 0.96

01:13:50.220 And then people do it. And I'm like, what? And that's how he operates in life. And the dude is

01:13:55.660 just keeps asking and people keep doing and giving him like incredible. It is. It's so I'm going to,

01:14:02.340 I promise we're going to get, we're going to wrap this up. I'm bringing it back in revelation.

01:14:06.020 I promise. Here's the thing. This is something that I haven't really shared publicly that,

01:14:10.740 that I've kind of been, been, been, um, going through and trying to understand about God and

01:14:15.100 about our thoughts. And, you know, I had to admit to myself that I've been, you know, been pretty

01:14:22.700 negative, you know, just generally, you know, I'm like, always like, oh, you know, this sucks.

01:14:26.340 There's no life. I'm just getting through it and blah, blah, blah. And it's just the way things are.

01:14:30.840 So, and, and, and there's a contradiction that I have to deal with in the Bible. Jesus clearly

01:14:36.660 says, you know, you have not because you ask not. That's one of the things you were just,

01:14:39.580 you were just mentioning top. And the other thing she says that, you know, um, you know,

01:14:45.220 God wants to give us abundance. He's, he, you know, he basically says that ask for what you want

01:14:49.940 and you should get it. And I said, well, I asked for stuff. I don't get it. I misquoted Jesus.

01:14:54.820 I look back on it. It says, ask for what you need, believing it as if it's happened

01:15:00.040 and you will receive it. I don't do that. I wasn't doing that. And the reason I didn't,

01:15:05.160 I think in my mind, I didn't want to go the new age manifestation route where, you know,

01:15:12.200 if you get into those, those new agey, um, the secret and all that kind of stuff,

01:15:16.800 have those affirmations. I am already a millionaire. I am already like, that's no,

01:15:21.780 that's not, but my question is, is there a kernel of truth in some of that stuff?

01:15:26.220 Yeah. Yeah. Those are, I think they are like, um, laws. There are, there are laws that God created

01:15:31.780 and that the, the opposition inverts them. That's just the name of the game.

01:15:35.660 I see, I see why you have a problem with it. You are not retarded. You have to be, 1.00

01:15:41.100 you've got to be retarded. Like the whole idea, yeah, the whole idea of Top Lops or even this show, 1.00

01:15:47.120 it's like, this show seems, I guess it's more, it's becoming successful, but it's from the beginning.

01:15:51.440 It seemed more successful than it did because I just acted like it. I, I just said like, Hey,

01:15:57.220 come on the show. You know, like I'm acting like, cause I, I believe it. I'm like, Oh,

01:16:00.400 in my head, I'm like, I'm retarded enough to say like, okay, this is, this is what it is.

01:16:04.860 We are at this level. We're clearly not, but let's act like it. And people perceive it. And

01:16:09.200 then you get, it's, it's a weird thing. It's a weird thing. And it does, it's new agey. It's like,

01:16:13.460 I don't know, but it's been working. I was, uh, in the pickup line to go pick up my son the other day.

01:16:19.160 And I was, I was talking to God out loud and I, and it was like, this guy, I don't know this guy.

01:16:26.440 Who the hell is this guy? Uh, you know, but I, I never knew you. I don't know you. Um, so yeah,

01:16:33.080 but it was this exact same conversation. Really what I was doing was like checking in,

01:16:37.340 realizing that the things that I had asked for when I finally had the guts to ask for things

01:16:41.280 were happening. Go figure. And so it was just a moment of like, thank you. But man, I mean that

01:16:47.240 idea, like you have not because you asked not. And, and, and what's even crazier is the psychology

01:16:52.940 of somebody who has not meaning me. This is my psychology for the vast majority of my life.

01:16:57.640 You almost perceive it as a virtue. Yeah. Somehow it's virtuous to not ask for these things. Somehow

01:17:04.760 it's virtuous to not complain. And I almost feel like God is just like hitting the,

01:17:09.260 the dump button and waiting for you to object, dude. I looked at him and go like, what's going

01:17:14.620 on? I broke my ankle walking off a city bus on a broken city sidewalk. And what I should have done

01:17:20.620 was sit there and then sue the city. But I walked on a broken ankle to my college to take a test

01:17:26.940 because it was like the virtuous thing. I'm not going to like ask. I'm not going to stop an

01:17:31.920 inconvenience. And honestly, that's retarded bullshit. It is dude. It is just ask if people, 1.00

01:17:38.460 people say no. And then you go, okay, I'll figure out another way if I really need something.

01:17:42.880 Yeah. If it doesn't happen, then it wasn't God's will.

01:17:45.040 Yeah. I mean, you guys are the ones who inspired me to put a donation button on my,

01:17:48.820 on my, on my website. I said, no, I don't want to do that. I don't, I don't want any money for

01:17:52.560 this Jesus. I'm just doing it. No. And people have been donating. Thank you, by the way.

01:17:56.260 Go figure, go figure.

01:17:57.760 It was partially my, it was my pride. And it was also me trying to be virtuous. Like you said,

01:18:02.260 there's no, if somebody feels, of course, there's no obligation. I'm not going to stop

01:18:07.760 doing it if I don't get donations. But if you, if God puts it on your heart, then do it. If he

01:18:11.160 doesn't, then don't. But I'm limiting God by not giving people every avenue to support me. You can

01:18:16.940 support me just by liking. I mean, seriously. I mean, if you guys don't have to give me a dime

01:18:21.540 unless you want to, but if you don't just, I would say, go to my videos and just hit like,

01:18:25.740 and share that, that is a repayment to me. If you, if you're getting something from this,

01:18:31.040 just, if you can just like, and like, subscribe, share that's, and thank you for doing that.

01:18:37.860 But there is, there's an opposition to that, right? Where we're talking about how it, there's

01:18:42.240 almost a virtue. Like you feel this virtuous kind of sense when you don't ask for things and you just

01:18:46.760 do them for free and dah, dah, dah. And then the opposite side of the fence is if you're a person

01:18:52.380 that internalizes that virtuous feeling, when you see somebody asking, you all of a sudden look at

01:18:57.260 them and go, look at what they're doing. Look at what they're doing. That's a, they're a grifter.

01:19:00.760 They're, and it's like, Hey, I'm out here dedicating, you know, an insane amount of time to do this

01:19:05.580 research, to create this product. It's okay to ask for something in return. But those same people that

01:19:10.540 feel it virtuous within themselves to not ask, will then look to you and say, Oh, you're, you know,

01:19:16.000 the opposite. Let the market decide. If people, if people think your worth is, if the people think

01:19:21.560 your value, what you bring is worth, whatever dollar amount they have, that's their decision,

01:19:26.740 but they have to have the option. And they also should know that you, that it's available.

01:19:30.620 Go support Ed. It's available. Go do it or else.

01:19:35.380 Sorry, I guess I had to talk about my wife was, had to help her having some internet connection 1.00

01:19:39.560 problems.

01:19:40.200 No, that's fine. That's fine. No problem at all. Um, all right. So let's get back on track

01:19:43.080 for the hour and 20 minute. And I don't know how many times we can derail you, uh, in the next,

01:19:47.880 you know, 20 minutes or whatever, but we'll try.

01:19:49.520 Okay. So basically people are going to be judged by their, their, their good works and their,

01:19:53.860 and, and, and what they did good and what they did bad. So going back to, let's, let's do,

01:19:58.940 let's do the Hitler versus nice guy argument. Let's, let's take it back to that, that guy I

01:20:03.080 talked about, um, a little earlier that the nice atheist, nice humanist seem like a really good guy,

01:20:08.320 probably have a really good life. Hitler, Genghis Khan, uh, you named Jeffrey Dahmer, Epstein, 0.77

01:20:13.960 you named the most horrible, he did, he named the most horrible people who've done terrible

01:20:17.600 things. Well, if both of them haven't accepted Jesus, both of them are going to be out of the 0.75

01:20:22.980 presence of God. They will both go to hell. Does that seem fair? Well, in the same way as my 0.98

01:20:28.840 grandmother versus the guy who does a deathbed confession, they both go to heaven, but they

01:20:32.900 have, there's different levels of reward for them. When, when they go to hell, they will both go to

01:20:37.520 hell. Because as we, as we saw in what I read, if you're not written in the book of life, that's the 0.91

01:20:41.820 binary part. There are two books. There's a book of life and there's a book of everything you did.

01:20:46.020 When you, if you're not in the book of life, you're, you're out of the presence of God,

01:20:50.080 but there will be different levels of punishment. And we're going to talk about that when we get,

01:20:54.580 when we start talking about hell next week, Hitler's going to suffer in hell more than that 0.96

01:21:00.280 nice atheist. Now they're both going to be there because they both made a choice, but there's going 0.90

01:21:05.660 to be different levels of suffering. We're going to talk. I want to get into that next time,

01:21:09.460 but just like there's different levels of reward in heaven, there's different levels of suffering

01:21:13.440 in hell. So if you've lived a good life, you've done more good than bad, then you know, you are,

01:21:19.220 the punishment is going to be different. It has to be, because that would be just.

01:21:22.220 All right. Exactly. Why wouldn't that be the case? You look at us as, as, as imperfect human beings,

01:21:26.680 we've created systems where you can go from having probation and community service all the way to

01:21:31.440 life in prison and everything in between, you know, and it's the same thing on the success scale where you

01:21:35.180 can, you know, uh, find some minor level of success, or you can have mansions and, and, uh, you know,

01:21:41.680 a penthouse in the sky kind of a deal. So I can't wait to use that argument against,

01:21:45.360 because that's one of the things that always did kind of like when people give this argument,

01:21:48.520 like, so you think that you think I'm going to hell then like when, when I'm talking, it's like,

01:21:54.040 man, it's, it's, I guess I do think that, but it's like, I'm not putting you there.

01:21:57.320 Like you just don't, you don't know the guy that you're asking to stay at his house.

01:22:01.120 I understand. It's a very, I'll let you go into second Raven, but the very first thing I read in,

01:22:06.060 in, in verse 11, there was a great white throne set up before which heaven and earth fled away.

01:22:11.940 This is, I have to put a finer point on that. Heaven and earth are gone. They are, this is, um, um,

01:22:20.580 uh, expounded upon in, I think it's second Peter where Peter basically says, you know,

01:22:25.680 the heavens will melt away and you know, all the, all the elements are going to disappear.

01:22:30.200 I'm completely misquoting it, but basically everything is going to be destroyed on an

01:22:33.760 atomic level. Our physical world, even in the heavens are going to go away. There's so the

01:22:40.880 point I'm making with that is there's going to be no other place to go. You're there all in the

01:22:46.540 presence of God. Now you are spirit. So you're either going to be with God or away from God.

01:22:53.340 You're going to be in his presence or outside of his presence. There's no other place for you to

01:22:56.280 go. Heaven and earth has passed away at this point. It's melted. There's going to be a new,

01:22:59.520 we'll see when we, when we look at, uh, chapter 21, it starts out, there was a new heaven and a new

01:23:04.100 earth. He's going to, this world is going to go poof. Why would, why would the heavens be melted away?

01:23:10.740 Just, um, I'm sorry. Those heavens mean the sky. It doesn't mean like the, the, um, uh,

01:23:16.320 the spiritual heaven. Gotcha. Yeah. It's got to go because it's all corrupted. It's all been,

01:23:21.300 it's God doesn't change. God doesn't repair your heart. God gives you a new heart when you become

01:23:26.960 saved. So God's not going to repair the earth. He's going to make a new one. And we know it's

01:23:33.040 going to be a new earth because when we see the dimensions of the new Jerusalem, it wouldn't 0.98

01:23:36.180 actually fit on this earth. So the new earth is going to be bigger than this one because when you,

01:23:41.940 yeah, when you, cause I think the new Jerusalem is like 15, 1500 miles high, that would not fit 0.99

01:23:48.020 where even, even if you're a flat earther, it doesn't fit. So the new world is going to be

01:23:51.740 bigger. So the point is that you, when, when they say, oh, you, um, you think I'm going to hell?

01:23:57.440 I think you're going to be outside of the presence of God because you've chosen it.

01:24:02.380 And so we're going to, we're going to get into what hell is. And it's, it's going to be,

01:24:05.860 it's not everything you think it is from all of our pop culture. It is going to be hot,

01:24:10.260 but in a, in a different way than you think, basically hell is outside of the presence of

01:24:13.980 God, but you've chosen to be, you can only be in one of two places by choice. What else can God,

01:24:21.840 God can't force, God is not going to force you to be in his presence.

01:24:24.820 That makes a lot of sense because some, I've heard stories of a near death experiences. Some,

01:24:28.720 some people's near death experiences vary pretty wildly. Um, but the ones that have a religious 0.97

01:24:33.100 bent to them, uh, one of them in particular, I remember hearing, uh, that a guy, when he died,

01:24:40.000 he saw Jesus and he's like communing with Jesus, but in his peripheral vision, he's aware of like

01:24:46.660 this dark mass that he, he's aware of it on this level of like, he knows that's an option.

01:24:53.300 And he also knows not to look at it because as he looks at it, he feels almost drawn into it.

01:24:57.840 And it feels like the abyss. It feels, um, it feels like a, an endless black infinity of like madness.

01:25:04.780 That's the way he described it. And you know, when you talk about, um, being in hell, not being in

01:25:10.740 God's presence, if God is light, then outside of his presence is darkness. Right. And so when I hear

01:25:16.460 that guy's story and I, and I hear what you're talking about, I can't help, but feel like this

01:25:20.160 guy caught a gleam of like, yeah, there was like a portal to a dimension and it is just dark,

01:25:25.440 everlasting madness. Right. It's going to be dark and it's going to be full of regret. We're going to talk

01:25:29.800 about, I think the real torment is hell in hell is not the burning part. I think it's going to,

01:25:34.260 it's going to be regret. It's going to be knowing that you're here because of what you, because of

01:25:40.120 your choice and you can't blame, you have no one else to blame. You said, I don't want God. Okay.

01:25:45.700 You're getting exactly what you asked for. You can't say it's unfair.

01:25:49.360 Right. I believe that too, because psychological torment can be worse than any physical pain that

01:25:54.960 you can feel. You can kind of like get beyond physical pain, but you can't escape, uh, your

01:26:00.060 own consciousness, your own mind. Something that just kind of like dawned on me is like,

01:26:04.560 basically, so we're, we're all making the choice to be, uh, with, with God or to, you know, to aim

01:26:10.160 towards God or aim the other way. And a lot of people like, well, I'm a Christian now. So what,

01:26:14.400 what do I do? And it's kind of like by default, if you are directly aimed towards God, then everything

01:26:19.800 else that you do is going to be good. And we'll, we'll reflect that. It's almost like a no brainer.

01:26:24.480 If that makes sense, but you have to know what God is and you have to know which direction

01:26:27.840 you're going. Right. I feel like I made an abstract. And you have a choice as how much

01:26:33.540 progress you're going to make towards God. And again, that's going to affect your reward.

01:26:36.640 You don't have to, you can become a Christian and just say, okay, that's it. Right. But you

01:26:42.780 know, the more you progress towards God, I think the more, the more you know about him, the more

01:26:46.360 you're going to share what you know, I think, and the more you're going to interact with other

01:26:49.700 people and the more reward you're going to get, but you don't, you don't have to.

01:26:54.480 But that's, but that's the point of why we're here. I mean, I had someone ask me, okay,

01:26:57.720 after I get saved, why am I still here? Why don't he just zap me up to heaven?

01:27:01.720 Well, for a couple of reasons, one, he wants you to continue to grow in your uniqueness

01:27:04.840 and, and, you know, continue that growth. And also he wants you to get reward.

01:27:09.620 He wants you to, you know, to interact with others and to spread his, his word.

01:27:14.320 Um, let me ask you guys this, this is both for you and, and top. Uh, it feels like, you

01:27:20.400 know, we're, we're in this kind of almost like zero hour thing. And I'm not saying that definitively

01:27:24.700 what's on the horizon is like the book of revelation, although, you know, there's plenty

01:27:28.320 of coincidences. Right. Um, but it feels like we are at this zero hour and it does kind of

01:27:35.680 feel like, and top, I'm curious. I don't think we ever really talk about this, but it's like,

01:27:39.220 we're busy. We're building like a business, but also the reason that we got into this is because

01:27:43.540 this is something that we're so interested in. And it resonates with us so deeply that we're like,

01:27:47.880 we're going to make content about exploring these topics. And I feel like that's molded over time.

01:27:52.880 It's only been a year, but it's like, it feels like there's something on the horizon so much to

01:27:56.960 the extent that part of this has changed. And now there's a new layer to what we do. And that new

01:28:02.140 layer feels like we're in a tug of war right now. You know, the Billy Carsons of the world are

01:28:07.120 telling you that the Anunnaki are, you know, they're, they're our sky daddies. They created 1.00

01:28:11.120 us. We're a slave race, whatever. Read the emerald tablets of thought that don't exist.

01:28:16.180 You know, there's, there's all these different things happening right now. They're about to do

01:28:18.900 UFO disclosure, yada, yada, yada. There's, there's a bunch of different ways in which the soul of

01:28:24.140 mankind is being tugged on in one direction or another. And I've kind of come to this place now

01:28:28.520 where I realize like shows like this, uh, the work that you do, Ed, uh, plenty of people in this space

01:28:33.780 we're actually kind of in a combat situation now where it's like, we're, we're doing a tug of war

01:28:38.920 with the people that are listening where it's like, we're, we're tugging on them going, no, no,

01:28:42.400 no. Come towards God, come towards Jesus Christ. This is the way. Um, and, and let us try to show you

01:28:48.040 a bunch of compelling evidence to get you to come here and stay here. And, uh, I just, I recognize

01:28:53.020 that over the, like the last year, this extra layer has been added on top of what we do top. Do you feel

01:28:58.260 that way at all? Or is this, is it like, you know, cause I, maybe that's an egotistical thing

01:29:04.420 to say that we're, we're, uh, engaging in a war for people's minds, but I can't help but feel that

01:29:10.620 way. But it's not. And even if it's only, uh, I don't know, like what if it was just your,

01:29:15.520 your cousin that you're talking to in this manner, there are going to be third parties that,

01:29:21.200 well, you know, I think in a spiritual realm that will be kind of upset about that because they are

01:29:26.860 actively pulling in the other direction. And we got into this, I got into this thing not to pull

01:29:32.540 in the other direction in like a, a spiritual sense, but it just turned out that way. I got

01:29:38.040 into it to just kind of pull in the, in the other direction of politically. And then it turns into

01:29:42.500 more and more. And then now it's turned into this. And what, what we said, like about the halfway point

01:29:47.280 of the show where I was like, all right, God, that's enough now. Like I've had, I've had enough.

01:29:52.120 It's got to stop that. Like I'm fully aware that whatever was going on, cause it

01:29:56.820 was just like, you know, like we said, it just doesn't make sense. Like things don't

01:30:00.120 go wrong this often in life for like two straight years, unless you're, you're aiming at something

01:30:05.540 and something doesn't want you shooting at it. Right. And that's what happened. So after a while,

01:30:09.980 I was just like, listen, that that's enough. Whatever is going to happen here, whatever

01:30:12.780 I'm supposed to do, uh, let's get started. And here we are, we're getting started. So I'm fully aware

01:30:18.820 of it. I try not to think about it, about like actively fighting people. I'd rather like,

01:30:23.960 all right, I understand there's a tug of war, but I'm going to fight you with this sarcasm

01:30:27.820 and almost like dismissal, like, cause I'm doing something here. So you could pay attention

01:30:31.460 to me and fight, but I'm still going to do whatever I'm doing here. I'm moving forward.

01:30:35.280 Like, I want to, I feel this call. I want to bring to Jesus Christ, the heart and mind

01:30:40.060 of Clint Russell. That's what I want to do. I just feel that like all the time.

01:30:43.980 Clint Russell's head. He's like, he finally admitted it, dude. I don't know what it is.

01:30:48.100 Like I, there are some people within it. Every time somebody messages and says like, yo,

01:30:52.400 working on my relationship with God because of the show, I'm like, that feels like a currency.

01:30:58.380 That's like another tally mark. I'm like, Oh, there's another one. Like, you know what I mean?

01:31:01.840 And that, that honestly really gets me hyped up. Like every time we see that, I don't even want

01:31:06.700 to know what to say to those people, but I know it's like another little tally mark. Like that's

01:31:09.620 the most important number. It feels like, like these like bumpers where I'm like, cause we do,

01:31:13.320 we do have a lot of, I do a lot of questionable stuff, but I'm like, every time I do get one of

01:31:16.660 those messages, I'm like, okay, I'm like bouncing, but they're like, you know, we're going in the right

01:31:21.340 direction. Yeah. We're just doing zigzags in the right direction. There we go. Yeah. It's like

01:31:25.800 the stock market. I mean, it, it goes up and down, but it's, but it's, it's great. It's going up just,

01:31:29.680 but you just have those, those dips and I'm just, as in mind, because my stock's doing great and I'm

01:31:34.720 just waiting for it to crash. I'm like, should I ride it out or should I, should I take some profits?

01:31:39.360 But anyway, it's funny though, because Ed, you talked about how long you've been doing this and then

01:31:43.120 you finally started asking for success. And I do feel like we're coming, the, the gates are slowly

01:31:47.700 closing. And as they close, we seem to be becoming more influential. You know, so like a resource like

01:31:55.860 faithbyreason.net is like, so, so valuable in this time. And I think it's just, I don't know. I do

01:32:04.340 think that we are maybe tops, right? It's like, don't look at it too much. Don't think about it too

01:32:09.260 much. But at the end of the day, that's exactly what we're doing here is I guess we're it's spiritual

01:32:14.100 warfare, right? Yeah, it totally is. Hey, I know we're up on time. So let me just finish it. Two

01:32:18.840 more points to make it as far from the scripture. That's interesting. It says that, that, you know,

01:32:24.060 death and hell, death and Hades rather are cast into the lake of fire, which again, we'll start

01:32:28.680 talking about next week. So I've always wondered, does that mean that like, you know, the realm of

01:32:32.680 Hades is the realm of the dead and that I can see that being thrown in because that's where the dead

01:32:37.800 were. But what about death? Are these like, it seems like they're sentient entities. Like is death

01:32:43.380 actually a, an Elohim. You know, we talk about the, the angel of death in, in the, in the Exodus

01:32:50.080 story who would, you know, came over Passover. So it's quite possibly that, that this angel of

01:32:55.360 death is not a, is a bad angel and he's a bad Elohim and cast in there or maybe, or, you know,

01:33:01.200 because it said that Jesus got victory over death. So death is, is yes, it's a concept, but it also

01:33:06.300 seems to in the Bible to have some type of sentience. So I find that very interesting. And the same thing

01:33:10.820 with Hades. Just a sidebar. We talked to somebody who has interaction with entities and one of the

01:33:15.200 entities, uh, uh, identify itself as Anu to, uh, this person. And when you look up Anu, Anu is the

01:33:21.240 angel of death. Uh, and so, yeah, I, I would say, especially too, it seems like we know on some level

01:33:27.600 because we always depict death as a sentient character. And I think that's just like our own

01:33:31.960 subconscious. Yeah, quite possibly. So, yeah, so that, that's pretty much it. So everyone is,

01:33:38.000 again, judge according to what they do, um, for their, for their level of punishment

01:33:42.380 and, and when they're separated from God. And then if you're, if you're written in the book of

01:33:47.440 life, which is where you are written, if you are saved, then, you know, you're not here. I don't

01:33:53.060 know you, you got to go last thing book of life. Is it, when are you written in the book of life?

01:33:58.160 Because there's, and there's also a, um, in, we, we talked about the seven letters to seven churches.

01:34:02.440 Um, one of them, I forget which church is now off the top of my head, but one of the punishments

01:34:07.140 of them or the admonitions are basically Jesus saying, if you don't get your act together,

01:34:11.420 I think it's just church of Sardis. I will blot you out of the book of life. 0.99

01:34:15.620 So the idea, and this comes from Michael Heiser is that when you're born, you're written in the

01:34:20.320 book of life because you know, you haven't done anything wrong yet. And at some point you're taken

01:34:25.360 out. Well, at death, it would have to be at death, right? Right, right, right. Yeah. Cause when you,

01:34:30.820 when you haven't made your final choice, you're taken out of the book or when you've stayed at

01:34:35.560 your will that I'm done, I will never accept Jesus. So at some point you're blotting out of

01:34:39.000 the book of life. If, if, if, you know, Heiser's idea is correct. Cause I've always taught, I was

01:34:43.460 always taught you were written in when you become saved, but it actually makes sense that you already

01:34:47.100 written in and then you're, you can get written out. That will be just, okay. Everyone you're already

01:34:51.600 here is up to you. If you're going to have me blot you out of the book of life.

01:34:54.960 I love episodes like this, Ed, because this one in particular really highlighted how,

01:35:01.260 especially from an atheist point of view, it's like, they look at the Bible as this illogical

01:35:05.880 fairy tale. And every once in a while, we, we lock onto a subject on this show where I come away

01:35:15.220 feeling like, Oh, that's incredibly logical. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense, especially when it comes

01:35:20.640 to the whole, um, I don't have a relationship with you. Therefore you do not have a room in my

01:35:25.580 father's house. It's like, yeah, that makes a ton of sense. And also the varying degrees to which you

01:35:31.180 could be subjugated to a hell, the various degrees in which you could gather rewards in heaven. It all

01:35:37.680 makes sense because we do the same thing here, right? It's a, once again, as above, so below,

01:35:41.900 why would we create a system that's so advanced, uh, and so nuanced and have God not create a system

01:35:47.920 that dwarfs that. And so, uh, I just love that because people will dismiss the Bible outright as

01:35:54.420 this illogical fantasy. And it's, that's not the case. If you drop that baggage that burns you up so

01:36:01.140 badly, uh, and just look at this for what it is, uh, or have conversations with, with people like you

01:36:06.320 who have done, uh, you know, all these years of research, you come away feeling like, Oh, this

01:36:10.520 actually does make a ton of sense. And I have that over and over again on this show. This is a great

01:36:15.460 episode. I apologize for derailing you every which way. It's okay. This might've been a record. I

01:36:21.120 don't know if we've ever derailed, uh, time it and see how many times. Oh my God. Yeah. If we start

01:36:27.340 doing a drinking game and it's like, every time I use one of my, my $5 words or every time we derail

01:36:32.560 Ed, the, uh, the audience would become raging alcoholics. Uh, so we can't do that better.

01:36:39.840 Um, all right. So is this where we're, where we're landing it at? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good

01:36:44.500 place to stop because at the, at the end and, and, um, yeah, next, next week we will start talking

01:36:49.360 about, you know, another grim subject and then we'll get to the really good stuff at the end. But

01:36:53.500 yeah, we want to talk about hell when people don't understand what the lake of fire is and what it's

01:36:58.060 not. And yeah, we'll, then I think that, then that'll, that'll be the last like negative episode

01:37:02.120 we have. Um, as far as, as far as the scripture is concerned, we'll probably get negative ourselves,

01:37:06.160 but, um, that'd be it for the scriptures. Cause it's gotta be done. Oh, last thing that people always

01:37:11.060 wondered, like, you know, you have billions of people being judged at this great white throne.

01:37:14.500 Or is it gonna be like, uh, like, um, I don't know if you saw the original Beetlejuice.

01:37:19.120 Yeah. Um, at the, at the very end, when, you know, he goes back, um, up to, up to wherever

01:37:24.340 the afterlife and he's, he has to take a number and his number is like 5 billion 21 and you have

01:37:30.520 to wonder what, wouldn't it be torment if you were at the great white throne and you had,

01:37:34.900 and that was your number. You were like number 18 billion and there's like these, all these

01:37:38.560 people in front of you. I gotta wait for all these jackasses to be judged. I'm just sitting 0.99

01:37:42.300 here naked probably the case. Yeah. Naked. Well, that would make sense. That's a psychological

01:37:47.640 torment like no other, because in anything you do, when you have a daunting thing on the

01:37:52.260 horizon, the anticipation is so much worse than the actual event. And so that would be,

01:37:57.780 that would be poetry.

01:37:58.800 You're at the DMV for like a billion years waiting for everyone else to be judged.

01:38:03.120 But to be honest, I don't think it's going to take that long because I don't think God wants

01:38:07.020 to. God does not like, that's his least favorite thing to do is judge. I think it's going to be

01:38:11.520 simultaneous. My, my opinion, nothing else other than my opinion. I think that because God is

01:38:17.020 omnipresent and he can speak to everyone at once, I think you get great white throne 0.98

01:38:21.580 simultaneously. Everyone's going to see their life played before them. They're going to see,

01:38:26.120 here's what you did good. Here's what you did bad. This is going to be your level of punishment.

01:38:29.880 You're not written in the book. I think it's going to take a very short amount of time because God

01:38:33.960 doesn't, God doesn't want to do that. He wants to, he wants to get to the good stuff. He wants to get

01:38:37.520 to the new Jerusalem. And so I think it's going to be really quick, but if he decides it's going to 0.82

01:38:42.540 be really slow, talk about, that might be the real hell is just waiting. God takes a lunch break,

01:38:48.060 like right before you, you're the next number. Like he's on break. Well, think about every time you go

01:38:52.600 to the DMV, it's like, not only does the DMV suck, but the days leading up to you, you're like, 0.98

01:38:56.160 damn it, dude, Monday, I got to go to the DMV. That's going to be it. That's going to be it. 0.98

01:39:00.880 You'll be sitting in this line for an eternity. All right, Ed. Well, this was fantastic. I genuinely

01:39:07.160 love this episode. Once again, for the people, can you let everybody know where to find you?

01:39:11.680 Yep. Go to faithbyreason.net. That's where you'll find all my stuff. You can go to my YouTube channel.

01:39:17.580 That's where you'll find the Revelation series. You'll find the new Genesis series there,

01:39:20.680 Rumble as well. I'm trying to beef up my Rumble content and audience there. So please, again,

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01:39:33.380 subscribe, and just get it out there so I can build that audience up. And Twitter as well. I got to get

01:39:38.820 some more of my short form stuff up on there. And yeah, we'll keep cranking. Perfect. All right,

01:39:45.440 guys. We'll see you next time. And actually, if you see us at Sam Tripoli Show, say what's up.

01:39:51.100 But don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. See ya.

01:39:54.340 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly

01:40:01.520 telling us what to believe is real. It's mutant persuasion that what they see with their eyes is

01:40:08.060 what there is to see because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger

01:40:15.740 picture of what's happening. And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - December 06, 2024

The Great White Throne： The Book of Revelation Series Part XX w⧸ Ed Mabrie

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