Nephilim Death Squad - The Luciferian Buddhism Deception, and Spiritual Warfare

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00:00:30.000 Let's applaud some introductions.

00:01:00.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:01:12.120 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven. That is Top Lobster.

00:01:15.600 Hey.

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00:02:22.220 You know what?

00:02:23.320 Excited to talk to these great people here today.

00:02:26.240 Guys, we have John Lenhart, Ed Mabry, and Jason on the show.

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00:02:34.800 Guys, before we get into today's show, let's talk a little bit about where they can find

00:02:39.540 you guys and where your work is.

00:02:41.620 We'll start with Ed, since he's the senior guest here.

00:02:46.680 Yeah, so you can find all my work on a couple of places.

00:02:49.440 First is my website, my main website, faithbyreason.net.

00:02:53.260 So there you will find a lot of the work I've been doing for the past decade plus.

00:02:57.280 And also pay special attention to what you see there in your top left, that spiritual warfare

00:03:01.220 course.

00:03:01.940 Oh, yeah, that's right.

00:03:02.860 Yeah, we're going to talk about that as part of this show.

00:03:04.780 But yeah, that's just something new that I put up.

00:03:06.700 And so, yeah, we'll talk about that a bit.

00:03:10.200 But also...

00:03:10.880 I got the email, Ed.

00:03:11.340 I got it from your Patreon.

00:03:13.120 Very excited.

00:03:14.240 You can sign up now, right?

00:03:15.720 Yes.

00:03:15.920 Go ahead.

00:03:16.440 I'm blowing the wind.

00:03:16.920 You can sign up now to express your interest, and then you'll get notified as soon as the

00:03:21.200 course drops, which will be early next year.

00:03:24.100 And we're going to talk about that in detail because John Lenhart, my friend, partner, mentor,

00:03:28.500 is going to be a part of that.

00:03:30.360 So yeah, it's going to be amazing.

00:03:31.500 We're going to talk about that in more detail.

00:03:33.640 So that's...

00:03:34.660 And the other side, as you are on now, is my Patreon.

00:03:37.800 And that's where I am most active.

00:03:39.060 That's where you can interact with me.

00:03:40.880 That's where you can get bonus episodes.

00:03:42.680 You get all my content when it drops first there, as well as being a part of our monthly

00:03:48.180 Bible study where we go through the entire Bible in one year from the supernatural standpoint,

00:03:53.960 which was kind of the genesis of the spiritual warfare course that we're going to be doing.

00:03:59.460 But yeah, I appreciate you coming on there.

00:04:01.380 We do Q&As every week.

00:04:03.400 We have some great discussions there.

00:04:05.000 So yeah, patreon.com slash faithbyreason or faithbyreason.net.

00:04:09.300 Excellent.

00:04:10.000 John, tell them where they can find you.

00:04:11.720 Well, the first place is modelinggod.com.

00:04:15.420 That's basically...

00:04:16.520 I've written two books.

00:04:18.060 Modeling God is the only non-contradictory explanation for God.

00:04:22.080 And then Modeling God's Wills is basically the explanation for the largest system and how

00:04:27.360 God brings about his will.

00:04:29.860 And then the other place to find me is flowsess.com, where I have a model for the mind and brain,

00:04:35.960 which I got from the Bible.

00:04:37.380 And so I teach people how to flow at this place.

00:04:40.460 And I think we're going to talk a little bit more about the mind and brain because of interacting

00:04:44.840 with Jason.

00:04:45.940 Excellent.

00:04:46.440 I do want to say really quickly, right here on God's Will, I've been...

00:04:50.040 I'm working on some like wood stuff.

00:04:53.400 I've been like burning wood and things like that.

00:04:55.320 But the circles here, the symmetry, the sacred geometry here that you're kind of showing,

00:05:00.780 I guess you're pointing back like to that sacred geometry being part of God's creation.

00:05:05.680 But it's just strange because it's been co-opted by...

00:05:09.540 The New Age in a big way.

00:05:10.620 I mean, Indians do it great.

00:05:12.980 There's so many different...

00:05:13.880 Yeah, New Age, they really take the symbology of these curves and these angles and they make

00:05:20.440 them significant to whatever they're doing.

00:05:21.980 So I just...

00:05:22.680 I don't know.

00:05:22.860 It's been co-opted most...

00:05:23.860 Well, not co-opted.

00:05:24.620 I mean, it's been identified by the scientific community within quantum research, you know,

00:05:29.400 because of the fractal nature of things, the Fibonacci sequence.

00:05:31.820 Just an observation though, really, of the realm that we inhabit.

00:05:34.900 Okay, so let's get into...

00:05:37.540 Wait, Jason.

00:05:38.340 Jason, please.

00:05:38.780 Exactly.

00:05:39.240 That's what I was going to say.

00:05:39.880 Yeah, Jason.

00:05:40.440 Introduce yourself.

00:05:41.060 How dare you?

00:05:41.640 How dare you, brother?

00:05:42.540 Great.

00:05:42.900 Thank you guys so much for having me, man.

00:05:44.340 I'm a huge fan of the show.

00:05:46.420 And by the way, yeah, when you're talking about the co-op thing, that's exactly what

00:05:50.060 I want to talk about today.

00:05:51.840 Perfect.

00:05:52.300 Perfect.

00:05:52.700 Where can the people find you?

00:05:54.000 What are you up to, man?

00:05:54.700 So I'm working on embodiment.com with, there we go, with John.

00:05:59.720 So yeah, we're starting a journaling mastermind.

00:06:02.260 So we're all about the conscious and the unconscious mind.

00:06:05.520 So we're going to teach people how to hear their unconscious, learn to listen to God more

00:06:11.120 often, deliberately.

00:06:14.000 And you could also find me on LinkedIn, Instagram.

00:06:19.000 If you type in Jason Demchuk, D-E-M-C-H-O-K, I'll pop up on everything there.

00:06:25.780 Excellent.

00:06:26.260 We have a YouTube panel also, Jason Demchuk on YouTube, where John and I put out two

00:06:31.080 seasons already.

00:06:33.000 There's a lot of great stuff in there.

00:06:34.800 So yeah, please check that out.

00:06:36.400 Subscribe.

00:06:37.980 Awesome.

00:06:38.380 So this is going to be a little bit of a challenge to juggle, right?

00:06:42.160 We have five people on here.

00:06:43.380 I know a bit about the subject matter that we want to dive into.

00:06:47.740 I guess the question that we're going to go to next is who wants to kick this ball into

00:06:52.340 motion?

00:06:52.980 I know that both John and Ed said a little something about starting it off one way or the

00:06:58.540 other.

00:06:58.760 I'll let you guys rock, paper, scissors, shoot for who goes. 0.72

00:07:01.700 Yeah, I will get started on this because we want to start with Jason and then we'll kind

00:07:07.040 of dovetail into what some stuff that John and I are doing with the spiritual warfare

00:07:10.180 stuff.

00:07:10.560 So it's really interesting because Jason can tell you the whole story about how the three

00:07:14.780 of us came together.

00:07:16.520 But I will tell you that before I met Jason, I, like many people who are outside of the

00:07:23.560 world of Buddhism, who just, you know, just on the outside looking in, just thought it

00:07:27.020 was, you know, it was just a bunch of woo-woo stuff.

00:07:29.280 It was, you know, just emptying your mind.

00:07:31.040 And I put it in the same category and I actually did this on my website.

00:07:35.180 I put it in the same category as some other religions that when I'm trying to show how 1.00

00:07:39.540 Christianity compares to Hinduism or Islam or paganism or Buddhism, I just put them all 1.00

00:07:47.380 together.

00:07:47.740 Yeah.

00:07:47.840 These are just things that are in opposition in some senses to the word of God.

00:07:54.120 And when I met Jason, I realized how wrong I was, especially about Buddhism, that it does 0.98

00:07:59.140 not fall into those same categories.

00:08:00.680 And he was really able to educate me.

00:08:03.760 And, but, and again, I think most people have that idea.

00:08:06.180 You know, you're trying to seek nirvana.

00:08:07.460 You want to make sure that your mind is emptied and you're just, you know, sitting around

00:08:10.860 meditating about nothing, which just seemed kind of silly to me, which is why Buddhism,

00:08:14.880 as I understood it, never really appealed to me.

00:08:18.500 But then I encountered Jason and he shows me that I would not only was I wrong about what

00:08:24.640 Buddhism actually is, but it was intentionally hidden from us.

00:08:28.140 Like a lot of things are by the bad guys, the evil elites, the Luciferians, not only do

00:08:34.340 they, you know, do what they can to subjugate Christianity with, you know, mixing it with 1.00

00:08:38.060 Gnosticism and paganism and doing all these things to try to dampen the message and steer

00:08:43.680 people away from it.

00:08:44.920 They've done the same thing with Buddhism and Buddhism is way more consequential, influential.

00:08:51.680 It's more about the conscious mind.

00:08:52.980 It's more about, it's not about non-confrontation.

00:08:56.500 It's actually about confrontation and debating and making, and making your mind right.

00:09:01.020 And not only is it not in opposition to Christianity or the gospel message, but they actually flow

00:09:06.280 really well together. 0.99

00:09:07.280 And if you were to have told me that a year ago, I would have told you you're insane.

00:09:10.720 But then after talking to Jason, who is actually a true Buddhist, he can give you his story.

00:09:15.980 You really understand that, you know, these things all go together.

00:09:20.180 And so why would this be hidden?

00:09:21.780 Well, because if you, if you know the truth about it, then it's not, instead of driving

00:09:26.780 a wedge between people who have these beliefs, it's going to actually bring people together.

00:09:30.320 And that's the last thing that our enemies want.

00:09:33.580 So I'm going to turn it over to Jason and Jason, you can talk about maybe how you, how we

00:09:39.880 all got together.

00:09:40.520 And then you can tell a little bit of your story.

00:09:42.660 It'll be, yeah, go ahead.

00:09:43.360 Real quick before, like I was telling Jason and John, uh, I've been having a confrontation

00:09:48.120 with a sect of Christianity, which is actually interesting that, uh, it's like it claims

00:09:54.060 to be Christianity or Christian also claims to be kind of like part of you in a way like,

00:10:00.800 yeah, yeah, we're, we're brothers, you know, this kind of thing.

00:10:03.360 But then at like this disagreement, it becomes very like hostile.

00:10:07.440 I became hostile back.

00:10:08.600 So it doesn't look very good, but that's just who I am.

00:10:10.820 I'm not going to like roll over, especially not as it's some Mormons. 1.00

00:10:13.360 But I'm like, it's just very interesting how like I'm led, I'm led to believe I'm told

00:10:18.380 by these people and by kind of like popular culture, like, oh, no, these guys are just 0.90

00:10:22.660 goofy. 0.77

00:10:23.060 They're just hanging out. 0.67

00:10:24.220 They're just like you.

00:10:25.000 I thought the same thing about the Jews as well.

00:10:28.220 And then you start to read into their doctrine.

00:10:30.020 And I'm like, oh, no, you think we're animals.

00:10:32.360 It's so like when I, when I look at what was supposed to be, it turns out that it's the

00:10:37.900 opposite.

00:10:38.440 So, yeah, when I, when I looked at Buddhism, what I hear initially is like kind of like

00:10:43.700 what you described.

00:10:44.840 Ed's and that, but that's as far as I've looked.

00:10:46.480 So I'm interested to see if there is an inversion here or what's actually going on.

00:10:53.360 All right.

00:10:54.520 So, yeah.

00:10:55.760 Thank you guys.

00:10:56.600 Thank you so much, Ed.

00:10:57.580 Yeah.

00:10:57.960 So, yeah, absolutely.

00:11:00.220 A lot of inversion.

00:11:01.240 That's a great setup for that.

00:11:02.940 And yeah, I wanted to share how I met Ed and John.

00:11:05.320 So I heard Ed on, well, first, let me tell you how I met you guys.

00:11:10.140 I'm a big fan of Owen Benjamin for like 10 years and I heard him on Tower Gang and I loved

00:11:16.300 you guys.

00:11:16.820 I was like, this is the best show ever.

00:11:18.680 And then I became addicted to Tower Gang and then I found you guys, you know, and then

00:11:23.280 I, you see it, I'd see it does something.

00:11:26.960 It's a convoluted way to lead people somewhere.

00:11:30.360 Your show is doing very miraculous things like beyond what you know.

00:11:34.440 So, yeah, because, so I heard, I heard Sam on, I'm sorry, I heard Ed on Sam and I loved

00:11:39.340 him right away.

00:11:39.840 I'm like, because I've been seeking for seven years, someone who understood Christianity

00:11:44.100 because I read, I read the gospels and I want to, I want to someone to talk to.

00:11:47.900 And I went to big churches, little churches, could not find anybody who really knew the

00:11:52.920 Bible.

00:11:53.400 I heard Ed, I loved him.

00:11:54.940 Then I saw, I was looking for a podcast to go on a drive and I saw that he was on your

00:12:00.760 show with this guy, John.

00:12:01.920 I was like, all right, let me, let me load it up.

00:12:03.380 But I started driving, I'm listening.

00:12:06.260 And by the way, my background's in psychology.

00:12:08.340 So I'm like, I'm listening to this guy explain the unconscious mind on your show.

00:12:13.080 And I'm thinking, this guy understands it better than anyone I've ever heard.

00:12:17.520 And he's talking about flow, which is exactly what I was seeking.

00:12:20.780 So I'm just like, I can't wait to meet this guy.

00:12:23.280 So I go home and find him on LinkedIn, send him a message.

00:12:28.420 And then the next day we're on a two hour call.

00:12:30.420 And that was almost exactly a year ago.

00:12:32.360 And we've been talking nonstop since then, just exchanging ideas.

00:12:36.360 It's been so good to just have someone who I can have these deep conversations with.

00:12:42.840 It's weird how just on that topic, you do a thing and you never know.

00:12:48.100 I was talking to somebody just yesterday about it where you never know who's listening and what sorts of connections are developing because you decided to turn a camera on and have a conversation.

00:12:59.140 It's really all we're doing.

00:13:00.080 At the heart of it is having conversations.

00:13:04.120 And because you don't see the audience in real life, you don't really have that connectivity.

00:13:09.820 You don't know what they're going through, who they've reached out to, what conclusion they've drawn and what direction they suddenly went in in their own life.

00:13:17.580 It's weird to see that in real life.

00:13:20.580 It is cool.

00:13:21.060 It's very cool.

00:13:21.780 It is.

00:13:22.020 It's what is it?

00:13:22.700 The butterfly effect where you kind of like drop.

00:13:24.800 You just do something in the ocean.

00:13:26.560 And then like whatever happens from there, who knows, except we got on and we said a slur and then it turns into some beautiful relationship on the other side of it.

00:13:35.340 Because, well, you guys are out here in Florida, but I mean, Ed is on the other side of the country.

00:13:41.060 And then, you know, here we all are having this conversation.

00:13:43.960 It's strange.

00:13:44.760 I try not to think about it too much.

00:13:47.580 So, yeah.

00:13:48.260 So basically, I'm from I'm from New York.

00:13:50.620 Like you guys moved to Florida. 0.99

00:13:52.540 And, yeah, 90 percent of what people think about Buddhism, probably 95 percent is all bullshit, you know. 0.89

00:13:58.800 So I really like appreciate the chance to clarify this. 0.87

00:14:02.720 And so my journey is I had a lot of anxiety growing up.

00:14:06.700 So I got into psychology, you know, went to school for four years, graduated like top of my class.

00:14:12.060 And I realized like all the psychologists I met were all crazy, you know.

00:14:15.780 And so so that led me into studying, looking at Buddhism and all these different things.

00:14:20.480 And I was like, this this actually seems like it's got the answer.

00:14:23.520 So I went to Japan.

00:14:25.120 I went to university in Japan for a bit.

00:14:27.320 And then I just traveled all over studying with all these different teachers.

00:14:32.160 And yeah.

00:14:33.980 And that finally got into really into Buddhism.

00:14:36.100 I saw like this.

00:14:37.120 This was actually rational.

00:14:39.420 You know, this is actually based on site.

00:14:41.020 This is real psychology.

00:14:42.180 And also I have my family's in the health food world.

00:14:45.600 So I'm like I grew up with like a health food store family.

00:14:48.780 So I know a lot about health food.

00:14:50.440 And that's kind of my background, eating healthy.

00:14:54.180 So what are the.

00:14:55.480 Yeah.

00:14:56.080 What are some of like the main tenets of like like let's just get right into it.

00:14:59.560 What is what do Buddhists believe? 0.99

00:15:02.800 What do you practice every day?

00:15:05.160 Are there rituals, holidays?

00:15:06.900 What what is it?

00:15:08.960 OK, yeah, we could we could get to that first.

00:15:11.080 It's like it's not so much a religion like there are Buddhists, right?

00:15:17.260 Like there's people who call themselves Buddhists, just like there's people who call themselves Christian and they're not practicing. 0.82

00:15:23.380 So that's something that I really loved about John's books, Modeling God, Modeling God's Wills, is that it's not just you call.

00:15:31.160 You know, we live in this world of identity politics.

00:15:33.140 You can call yourself anything you want.

00:15:35.280 I can call myself a woman.

00:15:36.760 I can call myself.

00:15:37.860 But the Buddha was very just like Jesus.

00:15:40.360 He really confronted people.

00:15:42.160 He's like, you know, against like the Pharisees, like there were Pharisees. 0.84

00:15:46.460 Buddha grew up in a Hindu culture and there was a caste system just like Jesus. 0.73

00:15:50.920 He destroyed the caste system because there were these people called the Brahmins. 0.99

00:15:55.100 Right.

00:15:55.360 They were the chosen people and they had the book, the Vedas, which is just like the Torah.

00:16:00.160 And it was all ritual.

00:16:01.960 And there were people who thought, we're Brahmins.

00:16:05.920 So, you know, you guys are untouchable.

00:16:08.180 So Buddha would confront them and say, like, if you're, you know, if you're if you call yourself a musician, but you don't play music, how could you call yourself a musician?

00:16:17.920 So he was dealing with the identity politics, people calling themselves something, but not actually doing the practice.

00:16:25.320 Right.

00:16:25.620 So.

00:16:27.880 So can I tell you how the Buddhists got got kind of mixed up, like the Luciferian part of it? 0.73

00:16:35.100 Sure.

00:16:35.460 Sure.

00:16:35.800 Yeah.

00:16:35.980 Yeah.

00:16:36.200 So so have you heard of theosophists?

00:16:40.680 Theosophy.

00:16:41.260 Yeah.

00:16:41.560 What is that?

00:16:42.280 Refresh my mind.

00:16:43.420 Marina Brahmins.

00:16:44.180 No, I don't think that's a problem.

00:16:45.840 Close, close.

00:16:46.760 Helena Blavatsky.

00:16:47.900 Blavatsky.

00:16:48.340 Blavatsky.

00:16:48.940 Right.

00:16:49.280 Yeah.

00:16:49.500 So same type of person, though.

00:16:51.420 You know, they they they're from like the 1890s and they call themselves Luciferians, by the way.

00:16:58.340 And their their book was called Lucifer.

00:17:01.040 Their magazine was called Lucifer.

00:17:02.600 And Alice Bailey, like her her student started the Luciferian Trust and they traveled all over Asia, India, Egypt, and they brought these teachings back and mush them all together.

00:17:19.700 But they didn't really understand the true meaning.

00:17:21.760 They had their own agenda and they would use it.

00:17:25.340 You know, same thing, like Ed said, with Christianity and like Hitler, Aleister Crowley. 0.84

00:17:31.020 And so many people were very influenced by the theosophists.

00:17:35.060 And and then, you know, Crowley, he he thought they weren't Luciferian enough.

00:17:41.080 So he started Thalema, which is even more Luciferian, you know, and and then and then you get like so that so that was what started a lot of this Eastern understanding in the West.

00:17:51.500 And, you know, they control media.

00:17:53.320 So so they influence everything.

00:17:55.180 And then you get to the 60s where everything got so, so messed up, as you guys know.

00:18:00.920 Like, have you heard of this guy, Ram Dass?

00:18:03.700 Yes.

00:18:04.400 Yeah.

00:18:04.720 Yeah.

00:18:05.160 Yeah.

00:18:05.460 Yeah.

00:18:05.620 He's I forget exactly what his bag is.

00:18:08.060 He's effectively a cult leader now.

00:18:10.060 Exactly.

00:18:11.620 So he basically he's allegedly he was like giving LSD. 0.99

00:18:17.280 He was a Harvard professor giving LSD and having sex with his male students. 0.93

00:18:21.660 And then he went to India and studied, you know, with this guy, with this Indian guru, came back and became huge. 0.94

00:18:31.400 He wrote this book, Be Here Now.

00:18:33.020 And everybody worships this guy.

00:18:34.780 And so so that's a big part of a big part of like this, this culture of like everything is just love.

00:18:42.040 And, you know, like like a lot of a lot of like what we see today is like really was starting back then.

00:18:48.900 And then as far as Buddhism goes, you have about 10 Americans.

00:18:53.060 Most of them were Jewish and atheists and feminists.

00:18:57.000 And they studied one part of Buddhism called mindfulness.

00:19:01.420 Right.

00:19:01.680 Like there's a great book that came out called Nick Mindfulness.

00:19:05.020 And they basically convinced everybody that Buddhism is just this mindfulness, you know, and then they sold it to the hippies.

00:19:12.720 And then they come, you know, just like this is what they do.

00:19:15.040 They mix it with the Native American and the Hindu stuff.

00:19:17.820 And it becomes just this one big mush of, you know, take what you want.

00:19:22.200 And it's it's really just Luciferianism.

00:19:24.400 It's really good.

00:19:24.960 This is this is something that that really starts in like the 60s and 70s.

00:19:28.420 Right.

00:19:28.620 Where it's like we're shaking off kind of our Christian conservative roots, God, I guess, in so many ways.

00:19:36.500 And and and I think when you remove the spirituality from a people, they are clamoring for something else.

00:19:42.580 It sounds like they then receive, at least here in America, this what would you call it, modge podge of different Eastern religions all kind of glommed together and then packaged and delivered to us.

00:19:55.500 And and this is also accompanied by the psychedelics movement, which is like, you know, in a lot of in a lot of ways, I think kind of a psychological operation by the intelligence agencies to to start introducing psychedelics to the West in a big way.

00:20:09.580 So so so so you have this sounds like what you're describing is is a bastardized version of Buddhism, something that's a little bit watered down, maybe leans a little bit more towards do what thou will.

00:20:20.880 Right.

00:20:22.040 Kind of.

00:20:22.760 So what did what?

00:20:24.580 Yeah.

00:20:25.040 What it does, Raven, is it it basically takes our our internal human desire for spirituality.

00:20:32.140 We were we are spiritual beings and you can't be I don't believe there's any such things in atheists.

00:20:37.860 I think there's just someone who wants to take a spirituality in a different way, in a different direction.

00:20:42.700 So we have this inherent we are hardwired to worship.

00:20:46.360 We're hardwired to have a relationship, a fellowship with the spiritual realm.

00:20:50.960 But we also have this nature where we also want to do it our own way.

00:20:55.300 So so this so it basically combines those two things.

00:20:58.460 You can have a form of spirituality that allows you to do whatever you want.

00:21:01.020 So, you know, it's two birds, one stone.

00:21:04.620 We know.

00:21:04.960 So and that's really what an atheist is, is someone who doesn't want to be accountable.

00:21:09.520 That's really what it gets down to.

00:21:11.680 But that's kind of the same.

00:21:12.560 But everyone believes in right and wrong.

00:21:13.700 Everyone believes all these spiritual, moral things, but they want to do it without a God.

00:21:19.540 And the Buddhism that we've been sold is spirituality without accountability.

00:21:24.840 But that but that's not really what it is.

00:21:26.240 And Jason can probably explain that a lot better than I just did.

00:21:28.640 Yeah, Jason, can we talk a little bit about like what are the things that were twisted

00:21:32.660 specifically and then what is what is Buddhism actually say versus what people are practicing

00:21:38.620 that they think is Buddhism?

00:21:40.100 Perfect.

00:21:40.660 Thank you so much.

00:21:41.380 Yeah.

00:21:41.680 So the word Buddha, right, actually means awakened mind.

00:21:46.180 Right.

00:21:46.420 So or in modern psychology, it's just like the conscious, conscious mind.

00:21:52.480 Right.

00:21:52.800 So.

00:21:53.560 So, yeah, I've heard you guys say like that if you empty your mind, it's dangerous because

00:21:58.620 now we can become occupied by by entities, which is true.

00:22:03.000 But that's not what Buddha taught.

00:22:05.440 Buddha.

00:22:05.860 Let's Jason.

00:22:06.660 Can we talk?

00:22:07.100 Because I actually have that written down.

00:22:08.360 So just to to set the ground a little bit more fertile in Christianity, we're called

00:22:13.520 to be baptized and then be filled with the Holy Spirit.

00:22:18.280 Right.

00:22:18.440 And so is there's this idea that we are we have a void within us, a spiritual void within

00:22:25.800 us.

00:22:26.000 And many things can fill that void.

00:22:28.820 But we're supposed to fill it with the Holy Spirit or else Ed or maybe you top.

00:22:35.140 You can talk to this concept of like when you cast the spirit out.

00:22:38.520 But if you don't fill yourself with the Holy Spirit, they come back with the homies. 1.00

00:22:41.120 It's like a New Testament story.

00:22:42.180 Yeah.

00:22:42.560 They'll come back sevenfold.

00:22:44.260 I think the idea of the word Selah is a really cool like like think on that.

00:22:49.600 Think about that.

00:22:50.420 Right.

00:22:50.640 Rather than so meditate would be like completely empty.

00:22:54.060 Selah would be something that I prefer where I go. 1.00

00:22:56.920 Think on that stupid. 1.00

00:22:58.020 And then you go. 1.00

00:22:59.280 Well, let me have something.

00:23:00.780 I'm so glad you said that because this is a perfect example of what happened in the 60s.

00:23:05.140 If you think of the term premeditated murder, what does that mean?

00:23:09.320 It means you thought about it so deeply before you killed someone.

00:23:13.080 So the actual word meditation means to deeply focus on something.

00:23:18.560 It's like so when we meditate in Buddhism, it's like you meditate on love or compassion.

00:23:23.520 You're deeply thinking about something.

00:23:25.600 But again, in the 60s, the word meditate became empty your mind where it's exactly the opposite.

00:23:33.180 It's literally exactly the opposite.

00:23:35.220 Buddhism is training your mind to be so sharp. 0.96

00:23:40.280 You know, so like John's an expert on the unconscious and the brain.

00:23:43.720 He could tell you all about this.

00:23:44.700 But 95% of the time, 95% of why we're looking at the woman or why we're eating the food we know is bad for us. 0.77

00:23:54.680 95% of that is coming from the unconscious and for most people, right?

00:23:59.760 So that just means that we create all these habits that run on autopilot.

00:24:05.860 Whereas what Buddha taught is to learn to master that conscious mind so you become more and more aware of what you're doing.

00:24:15.540 So it literally will make you a better, like at your work, better with all your relationships and even better with your relationship with God.

00:24:26.360 Buddha did not say, when they asked Buddha, is there a God?

00:24:29.320 He didn't say yes or no.

00:24:30.440 So he said, instead of giving people the answer, he wanted people to discover it for themselves.

00:24:37.700 He wanted them to be able to hear from God, everyone to hear from God themselves.

00:24:42.380 So what he was doing, he was teaching people how to think.

00:24:45.320 Yeah.

00:24:45.900 Knowing that a good thought process will lead you to the truth.

00:24:49.700 That actually makes a lot of sense to me because, you know, I'm looking over here at the original meaning of the word meditate.

00:24:55.540 And it does not, like Jason is saying, mean empty your mind, which is very much what we get.

00:25:00.840 We get that a lot from Hollywood, too, right?

00:25:02.260 Empty your mind. 0.93

00:25:02.980 Empty your mind.

00:25:03.440 I always had a huge problem with that growing up. 0.78

00:25:05.080 I'm like, how the hell do you empty your mind?

00:25:08.420 I mean, some of these girls could do it. 1.00

00:25:09.880 Well, that's true.

00:25:10.660 A couple of OnlyFans chicks are emptying their minds.

00:25:12.900 So, but it says here to contemplate, reflect deeply or ponder a subject.

00:25:16.840 And that, to me, makes a lot of sense when you consider sports as a meditative process because what it does is it eliminates sort of like past and future contemplations.

00:25:27.340 And you're heavily focused on this one thing, which is the now, it's the present, it's the activity that you're in.

00:25:33.740 So in that way, a lot of people consider sports a meditative process.

00:25:38.440 Does that make sense to you, John?

00:25:40.580 To me, absolutely.

00:25:42.260 Well, the thing is, this is really flow.

00:25:44.580 So the thing is, is Buddhism, to me, is ancient psychology.

00:25:51.080 And everything in psychology is the conscious brain.

00:25:53.960 Like Jason said, Buddhism is 2,600 years of trying to figure out how the conscious brain works.

00:26:01.440 When you say people say empty their mind, when you flow, you're toggling between your conscious and unconscious.

00:26:08.060 So you focus on one thing, and then you let go and let your unconscious take over, and it'll come back, and then you focus.

00:26:16.140 So flow is this back and forth type of thing.

00:26:19.760 So when people enjoy sports, they enjoy this moment where they're focused, then they're unfocused, focused, and unfocused.

00:26:27.260 And if you think about it, I like to say, how would you stand on hot stand barefooted?

00:26:35.540 You'd rock back and forth on one foot and the other foot.

00:26:39.200 When you flow, you're rocking back and forth in your brain, and you don't ever get tired.

00:26:44.800 Versus if you lock down on one foot, it gets tired.

00:26:49.640 So that's really, so that's the confusion, is there is an aspect of flow where you're not thinking because you're letting everything go, but it comes back to you.

00:26:59.500 The thing that happened is I was teaching Jason about flow with this program, We Have Instant Impact.

00:27:04.980 And I coach him one hour a week.

00:27:09.100 Everything that he was learning, because we have these videotapes and we meet, he was telling me he already knew this, and he was explaining it.

00:27:17.860 And I kept going, you're so, like you 99% get this before I say anything.

00:27:24.060 And it was because of Buddhism.

00:27:27.000 And so the same thing happened to me that happened to Ed is I get like four lessons, there's eight lessons, I get four lessons into it.

00:27:33.220 And I'm telling Jason what Buddhism is because I've known Buddhists, and they are all people who are wimpy, they don't like confrontation, they don't ever take a stand, they don't have any definitions. 1.00

00:27:45.420 Jason's a Lama, but that hasn't been stated yet.

00:27:48.320 Jason is a Lama, ordained, he can teach Buddhism.

00:27:53.140 So he said to me, John, have you read the Buddhist literature?

00:27:57.760 Have you studied it?

00:27:59.120 And I'm like, no.

00:27:59.820 And he kind of got me, I do the same thing to people about Christianity.

00:28:03.660 Like, have you read the entire Bible?

00:28:05.140 Have you read it as a story?

00:28:06.640 Then why do you think you understand it?

00:28:08.800 So I said to Jason, can we meet two hours every week?

00:28:12.020 I'm going to teach you about the mind and brain, and then you're going to teach me about Buddhism, hour each.

00:28:17.720 And it was just interesting.

00:28:18.780 I know why he knows more about the mind and brain before talking to me than anybody I've ever met.

00:28:25.800 But the thing is, is what he learned from me was this unconscious side, because Buddhism is so conscious.

00:28:31.580 And when Jason put them together, he's gone beyond Buddhism.

00:28:36.220 So the two seasons that we've done is we did one season where Jason told this story chronologically.

00:28:42.280 It's a wild story.

00:28:43.740 Absolutely wild.

00:28:44.580 I say he's the most interesting man in the world to me, because you listen to the story.

00:28:49.620 I asked him to do the story, because honestly, I didn't believe it was real.

00:28:54.640 And then as he explained it, I'm like, okay, this makes sense.

00:28:57.360 The second season is him talking about eight of these doctrines of Buddhism, and he explains it all from effects.

00:29:07.180 And then I explain it in the brain, cause and effect.

00:29:10.000 And then Jason brings it all together in a way that goes beyond Buddhism. 0.97

00:29:14.720 So the thing about Jason is he's a, he's a Buddhist Lama and he understands Buddhism, you know, and he kicked my ass because I thought I understood it, but it's, I, I thought I knew it. 1.00

00:29:24.680 Cause I talked to people who said they're Buddhist. 0.97

00:29:26.360 They don't even know what they're talking about.

00:29:28.220 But when he took my information and put it with what he's got, he's now got something that goes beyond Buddhism.

00:29:34.820 So it's funny when people, when people talk about Jason being a Buddhist, it's like, that's, that's like half of what he is.

00:29:42.220 He's actually gone beyond it.

00:29:44.160 Well, you said something there for, for a second, John, this idea of like, when you've met Buddhists in the past, they are pacifists.

00:29:51.540 Um, you know, I think you might've even used the word, you know, sissies or something to that extent.

00:29:57.580 And Christianity certainly has been accused of being a pacifist, um, you know, religion, but on the topic of sports and meditation, I find it interesting that there is a sort of sport.

00:30:11.820 You might call it associated with Buddhism, and that is these Tibetan warrior monks, which identify as, as Buddhists.

00:30:19.860 And we're talking rigorous martial arts, which is a meditative process in very many ways.

00:30:27.660 Um, uh, you know, I know this is going to be a little bit all over the place, but I, I, I think it fits into the conversation here.

00:30:34.200 Given the topic of, like I said, sports, Jason, this, this idea of, of Tibetan monks or this form of martial arts,

00:30:40.940 is that actually, um, synonymous with Buddhism and, and is, if it is, is the point, the meditative process?

00:30:49.240 Before you answer this, I just, I just want to emphasize that Raven is a savant because we just, I don't know how you do it.

00:30:57.360 We were talking about how we can bring in the martial arts aspect of it as an example.

00:31:01.840 And, and you just unconsciously segued us right into it, Dave.

00:31:07.160 That's not, that was, we're good at what we do at.

00:31:09.140 Well, I wrote it all down.

00:31:10.180 I was asking Holy Spirit to, to give me some guidance in this one.

00:31:12.860 Nailed it.

00:31:13.320 I've been having stuff dropped in my lap throughout this conversation.

00:31:16.500 It's not mine.

00:31:17.320 So.

00:31:17.660 Seriously, no, you, you, you did it three times already, but you, you're absolutely right about

00:31:21.040 the martial arts.

00:31:21.720 I'm so glad you said it.

00:31:22.540 In fact, how I got into Buddhism is I grew up with a Filipino neighbor and his older brothers

00:31:28.200 would go into Chinatown and get these bootleg, uh, you know, Kung Fu movies.

00:31:32.880 And when I saw the Buddhist monks, I was like, I want to be like those guys, eight years old.

00:31:37.780 I had no idea why, but that, so that's how it all started for me too.

00:31:41.140 I never did martial arts, but, um, interesting, interestingly, when you see these movies like

00:31:46.660 mortal combat or the, you know, blood sport, where there's like a tournament that has to

00:31:51.540 be, you know, they, they, they go up in the levels that actually comes from 2000 years

00:31:57.240 ago, Buddhist debates.

00:31:59.620 So going back to this idea of being passive, I mean, if you, I can send you some videos

00:32:05.100 on Buddhist debating, it's super intense. 0.76

00:32:08.100 It's, and you, it's not like our debates in politics where people just bullshit, like 0.85

00:32:13.620 everybody's listening to every word you need to be, your logic has to be flawless. 0.88

00:32:18.820 So my teacher did this for 20 years.

00:32:21.560 He's, he was in the debate halls four hours a day, five days a week.

00:32:25.640 They're debating on truth.

00:32:27.640 Not like the, the Talmudic rabbis who are like, how can we do this on the Sabbath? 1.00

00:32:33.060 If it's the, it's the same type of your brain, but used in a way to like, how can we get rid 0.96

00:32:40.300 of the bullshit we're, we're projecting and really see the truth. 0.96

00:32:44.040 So, so they have, they would literally have, they still to this day have these giant tournaments 0.99

00:32:49.040 where there's thousands of people watching and they're debating.

00:32:52.580 And I've told Ed and John, the way, the way of a civilized culture is open debate.

00:32:59.140 So that's just something I wanted to throw in there.

00:33:01.380 But as far as the martial arts go, yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:33:06.020 Like when, when they were monks traveling from China, Japan to India to receive the Buddhist

00:33:12.440 teachings, they didn't want to use weapons because they're, you know, practicing not killing,

00:33:18.020 but they develop martial arts in order to defend themselves while they were.

00:33:22.940 So some of the Buddhists became some of the best martial artists.

00:33:25.880 And then, yes, there's, there's all different, like Buddhism, the Buddha taught a lot, so much

00:33:31.800 things, but over time, and you could say due to like miraculous circumstances, different

00:33:37.000 schools popped up and they emphasize different aspects, but they're all based on the same core

00:33:42.780 tenets, but, but like, yeah, you can work through your body, for example, in, in martial arts,

00:33:48.280 but ultimately it's about the mind.

00:33:50.640 But what's interesting about that is when you look at Eastern fighting styles, as opposed

00:33:56.200 to Western fighting styles, Western fighting styles are always going forward.

00:33:59.820 You're attacking first.

00:34:00.940 You want to get the first hit in.

00:34:02.340 Now, if you remember the, well, I think John and I are older than the rest of you.

00:34:06.480 Remember the movie, the karate kid?

00:34:07.980 What was the, what was Cobra Kai strike first, strike hard, that which is, again, Westernizing

00:34:13.880 actual Eastern martial arts.

00:34:15.620 We're all about going forward.

00:34:16.700 Boxing is going forward, things like that.

00:34:18.600 But if you look at Eastern martial arts, it's always about a backward step, you know, things 1.00

00:34:22.840 like aikido and, and, and jujitsu, you're using your opponent's strength against them.

00:34:27.520 You take a step back and you see, you let your opponent lunge first, then you take a

00:34:32.220 step back and then you have the advantage.

00:34:34.100 That's, and I think that's where you get the false idea that Buddhists are passive because

00:34:38.600 they want you to take that first step, not because you're passive, but because that's

00:34:42.080 where their strength is.

00:34:43.140 You move first.

00:34:44.180 Now I counter you most, not a lot, a lot of these martial arts are about counter moves.

00:34:49.040 You strike first. 0.61

00:34:49.920 Okay.

00:34:50.080 I'll block it.

00:34:50.660 I'll do all these different things.

00:34:52.000 I'll get you an unlock, but you are, you are putting yourself out of position because

00:34:56.260 when you strike first, you're off balance.

00:34:58.560 The Buddhists or the good debater is on balance. 0.99

00:35:01.280 Go ahead.

00:35:01.780 I was just going to say, it also seems like there's this real emphasis on, um, on, on pain

00:35:07.540 tolerance.

00:35:08.100 And I, uh, I don't know exactly how to put it, but it's like, they put their bodies through

00:35:13.320 extremes when it comes to being able to endure physical pain.

00:35:17.420 And I think that there's probably even a, a meditative principle at play there when it

00:35:21.920 comes to disassociation, not in the way that, that we talk about disassociation.

00:35:25.940 Um, but, but separating the physical from the mentor or separating what happens to the physical

00:35:32.740 body from the spiritual body within, um, that's something that I see within sort of these

00:35:40.040 Tibetan warrior monks more so than you see in other martial arts.

00:35:43.780 As a martial artists, I've been in a lot of different practices and we'll have some of

00:35:48.940 that stuff where, you know, you'll kind of like one of them in, in boxing or Muay Thai.

00:35:53.740 Um, it's not uncommon to stand in a line with your classmates and you'll trade blows down the

00:36:00.060 line and then they'll trade blows back up the line. 1.00

00:36:02.320 So you hit a guy, but you also receive one.

00:36:04.180 And, um, and it's supposed to be this practice of learning how to deal with the pain.

00:36:10.220 Buddhist monks do that to a huge degree.

00:36:12.320 And I, it's almost comical to the extent where they're blasting each other in the nuts

00:36:15.400 with like two by fours and stuff, but, but somehow they're not feeling it.

00:36:19.680 I don't, I don't know where to place that.

00:36:21.380 Oh, and before you guys comment on that though, we are at the 35 minute mark.

00:36:25.840 Uh, so we have to let go of everybody who's watching.

00:36:28.320 If you want to continue watching patreon.com forward slash Nephilim desk wise, where you

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00:36:36.340 Um, and, and, uh, you know, so it, Patreon's the place to be or else you're, you're a loser 1.00

00:36:41.500 and you suck. 1.00

00:36:42.260 I said it. 1.00

00:36:43.000 I said it.

00:36:44.600 I'm sorry.

00:36:45.240 Just playing.

00:36:45.680 All right.

00:36:45.940 So, uh, so yeah, I mean, do you think that, that, I don't know, I mean, maybe we'll kick

00:36:49.000 this to Jason, but do you think that, that, uh, that sort of pain endurance is,

00:36:53.780 is, is, is part of a meditative process?

00:36:56.540 Absolutely.

00:36:57.120 Absolutely.

00:36:57.680 Yeah.

00:36:58.000 The, there is like the body, the feeling there's like, we call it the five aggregates

00:37:03.620 perception.

00:37:04.260 So, so you do practice finding, you know, any experience, pleasure or pain is impermanent.

00:37:13.320 So we're looking for the, for the permanent part of us.

00:37:17.580 You know, you can, some people call it the Christ consciousness.

00:37:19.940 You could almost say that there is this, this inner part of us that is always at peace,

00:37:27.260 regardless of pleasure or pain.

00:37:31.660 Interesting.

00:37:32.440 Um, there are, I wouldn't say, but I just want to just kind of relate this back to, to

00:37:38.940 Jesus and, and how there is this correlation between the two with the, with that, with that

00:37:43.000 backward step.

00:37:43.720 And when you would, when you would look, when you look at the Bible and you read Jesus's

00:37:49.480 confrontation with the Pharisees, he was never going forward.

00:37:52.800 They were always going forward.

00:37:54.140 Jesus would listen.

00:37:55.220 He would take, he would take a backward step.

00:37:56.760 John, can you, you can explain this way better than I can, because I know you, you,

00:37:59.940 you specialize in this, but Jesus was always taking that backward step.

00:38:02.660 He was always in balance. 0.96

00:38:04.380 The Pharisees would always put, you know, put, put their dumb ideas forward. 0.95

00:38:07.720 And Jesus would just, he would just counter, he would counter move them. 0.92

00:38:10.920 So you go ahead, John.

00:38:12.500 Yeah.

00:38:12.780 And so much of this is communication and communication guidelines.

00:38:15.940 So the first time I was on with you guys, we talked about how in the garden, the way

00:38:21.220 God spoke showed us how we're supposed to speak to people, but then how we're supposed

00:38:25.700 to speak to the spirit realm.

00:38:27.940 And the thing is, is that Jesus never initiated anything so he could never be unjust.

00:38:34.080 God doesn't initiate anything.

00:38:36.380 So it's impossible for God to be unjust where people get off is when they initiate, then they

00:38:43.940 can be unjust.

00:38:44.640 And then a spiritual attack can happen.

00:38:48.680 You know, the curse causeless will not come.

00:38:51.580 So a lot of people experience these curses because the communication style actually causes

00:38:58.260 them to be on the wrong side of justice.

00:38:59.740 So if you watch Jesus, he never said anything unjust.

00:39:02.760 And he was saying things in response versus these other people were coming up and making

00:39:07.540 statements on him.

00:39:08.980 It was only when he was talking to the, to the devil that, you know, and even then the

00:39:14.540 devil saying stuff to him, but he was making a statement on the devil.

00:39:17.380 So, yeah.

00:39:18.120 Yeah.

00:39:18.540 And we'll talk about that more.

00:39:19.260 We get to the spiritual warfare stuff, but it, it, it all, it all comes together in the

00:39:23.360 way you do it.

00:39:24.020 Cause you have to, you're going to be doing it in the same way that Jesus did.

00:39:26.800 And, and basically, frankly, in the same way that, that, that the Buddha was teaching.

00:39:30.960 So the thing that got me about what Jason taught me, and I did a little video about

00:39:35.500 this is that I dealt with Buddhists.

00:39:39.520 And like I said, they, they hated confrontation.

00:39:41.640 They, they, they wouldn't define their woods and everything.

00:39:44.340 And when Jason explained what it took to be a Buddhist, it's like you spend, you know, there's

00:39:51.140 these five courses and you look at the courses.

00:39:53.180 And one of the courses was purely on causality, which is so important in spiritual warfare to

00:39:58.800 understand what's a cause and what's an effect.

00:40:01.140 Cause people flip that.

00:40:02.160 And that's how you get to be unjust part of what he studied was definitions.

00:40:06.680 And that's huge for your doctrine.

00:40:09.100 Like if you don't have your doctrine, right, you're going to get, you know, you're going

00:40:12.400 to lose in the spiritual realm.

00:40:14.660 And then another one was purely arguing, you know, how to debate.

00:40:19.740 And so when I made my video, I said, here's the thing is, is I believe that 90% of people

00:40:27.200 who say they're Buddhists aren't Buddhists, just like 90% of people who say they're Christians

00:40:30.720 aren't Christians. 0.72

00:40:31.880 And 99% of people who say they understand Buddhism don't understand Buddhism.

00:40:36.780 And I'd say the same thing for Christianity.

00:40:38.320 And I said, but if you want to prove me wrong, then I'm expecting you to give me a causal

00:40:44.360 argument where you define all your words and you answer all my questions.

00:40:50.060 And if you're a Christian, not only should you do that, but if I'm a believer, you need

00:40:56.620 to confront me where I'm wrong.

00:40:59.160 And if I'm not a believer, you should leave me alone.

00:41:01.660 And that right there is one of the biggest measures of people thinking they're a Christian

00:41:05.320 and they're not, as the Bible literally says, forgive the people who are unbelievers.

00:41:10.740 Don't go yelling stuff at them.

00:41:12.720 And you have to, Jesus said, you have to confront a believer. 0.98

00:41:17.000 So I can say I'm a Christian, but I don't do what Jesus said.

00:41:21.120 Am I a Christian?

00:41:23.920 So let's, um, I have a bunch of questions here, but you touched on something, John.

00:41:29.800 Yeah, I see.

00:41:30.340 I'm letting Dave go because I see he's just writing stuff down.

00:41:32.120 I'm sorry.

00:41:32.660 I'm just, uh, so let's, let's talk about these five courses.

00:41:36.100 You mentioned one of those courses.

00:41:37.280 Um, and I, and I think if Jason, you could speak to those a little bit, maybe courses

00:41:41.020 isn't the right word, John, you mentioned, was it five courses you said?

00:41:45.340 Yeah.

00:41:45.980 Topics.

00:41:46.620 Yeah.

00:41:46.900 There's five, there's five classical topics.

00:41:49.320 Yeah.

00:41:49.460 Like the oldest university in the world, known world is, it was called Nalanda in India.

00:41:54.220 It's like 200 AD.

00:41:56.040 And it was like bigger than Harvard and actually just watched a video how like Islam took the 0.99

00:42:03.100 Buddhist monastery, like the Buddhist university.

00:42:05.060 And that's how we even have like our, our modern idea of a university.

00:42:08.280 But the five topics are, um, so epistemology.

00:42:15.360 So epistemology is where me and John, you know, and, and, and Ed is also a master epistemologist.

00:42:21.400 This is, this is logic, you know, faith by reasoning.

00:42:26.420 Epistemology is reasoning.

00:42:27.580 So you need the language.

00:42:29.040 You need to know like, like what Socrates did.

00:42:32.080 You need to have like a true, uh, syllogisms.

00:42:34.800 You need to learn how to make a truth statement and you know about the logical fallacies and

00:42:39.600 perception.

00:42:40.240 So that's just one of the topics.

00:42:42.240 Then another one of the topics is called, uh, the higher, higher, uh, sciences, which is

00:42:47.360 definition.

00:42:48.220 So like John said, you listen to, I listened to 99% of the conversations these days and people

00:42:55.400 are talking and I could see that they have different definitions for things.

00:42:59.600 So how can you, you know, like a word is just a sound.

00:43:03.560 We're trying to communicate ideas.

00:43:05.940 And if you don't have the same definition, you go nowhere.

00:43:08.180 So Buddhists were so, uh, insistent on getting the definitions on the same page.

00:43:14.820 You know, um, that's the second topic, uh, all the definitions of the inner world, which

00:43:19.420 is psychology and then the outer world.

00:43:21.620 And, and that's like the world systems and it's pretty, it's pretty advanced.

00:43:26.040 Um, then there's the path.

00:43:28.320 So this is laying out.

00:43:29.920 That's one thing that really attracted me to the Buddhist teaching is that there's a

00:43:33.360 path, like you're here and you want to get here, you know, like, so, so, you know, um,

00:43:39.960 and again, that's why I loved, uh, John's approach to Christianity because it is a path.

00:43:44.040 It wasn't just like you're saved once, you know, like that doctrine of you're saved once.

00:43:48.060 It's, it's like, you have to purify yourself.

00:43:50.960 You have to perfect yourself.

00:43:52.160 Um, and then, and so that's, that's the second, that's a third topic is, is learning all of

00:43:58.640 this.

00:43:58.860 This is a really long detailed thing, but it really gives you a sense of what to work

00:44:03.400 on.

00:44:04.260 Um, and then another one is, is ontology, which is what is real and what is not real.

00:44:10.680 And this is, again, I think where the Buddhists really go really beyond. 0.55

00:44:15.640 And there's this concept of emptiness, which again is, is very misunderstood.

00:44:21.240 And we, me and John did an episode about this.

00:44:23.440 Oh, Buddhists think everything is empty. 1.00

00:44:25.120 Nothing is real.

00:44:26.680 No, you're emptying everything that is not real.

00:44:29.840 And whatever is left over is the truth.

00:44:32.760 Like Sherlock Holmes says, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, no, no matter

00:44:38.920 how improbable must be the truth.

00:44:41.720 It's a refiner's fire.

00:44:43.780 Right.

00:44:44.380 And your guys, your guys show is so like 90% ontology.

00:44:49.460 Like that's really what you guys talk about more than anything.

00:44:52.960 What's real.

00:44:53.740 Like, is a UFO real or not?

00:44:55.440 What would be the explanation for that?

00:44:56.780 Is this a real, like you guys are really talking about the nature reality.

00:45:00.980 It sounds very philosophical and, and, you know, very snooty, but you guys are, tell everybody

00:45:07.700 the retards, but you're really an ontologist show. 0.99

00:45:11.120 If you don't realize it.

00:45:12.280 We were having a long conversation with Matt about ontology, about the 99 things that are

00:45:18.060 true, but the one that is a lie and that should be discarded or at least like talked about

00:45:22.460 with whoever's spreading it.

00:45:23.780 And there's a lot of, you know, butting heads with that because sometimes that one lie could

00:45:28.660 be embedded inside of some really good stuff.

00:45:31.880 Right.

00:45:31.980 It's like, well, we got to burn all of it now and we have to see what stays.

00:45:35.800 Well, I actually think that that's so, so you're talking about these courses and how

00:45:40.040 one of them is, uh, it stresses the importance of definitions, which I would agree.

00:45:43.880 Actually, I said it recently on a show that culturally speaking in the West, we've gotten

00:45:48.500 to this place where we're fighting over the definition of words.

00:45:51.080 And I think that was done by design.

00:45:52.380 I think we're talking about that with Jay Dyer and that when you attack the definition

00:45:56.720 of a word and you put that simple thing into flux, you make it so that a conversation simply

00:46:02.140 can't be had.

00:46:02.840 So if we can't under, you know, understand or agree the fundamental meaning of a thing,

00:46:08.120 well, we have to define those terms before we could even go any further and have an elevated

00:46:11.720 conversation of some short sort.

00:46:14.060 Something you said that I cannot, uh, overlook or the, the chat would burn me at the stake

00:46:19.480 for it is Christ consciousness.

00:46:21.260 And admittedly, I flinched when you said that because, um, here on Nephilim death squad, 0.94

00:46:26.280 one of our tenants is that that expression is gay.

00:46:29.440 Now, uh, however, given that we're having a conversation about definitions, I do want

00:46:35.220 to ask you, what do you mean by that?

00:46:37.300 What do you mean?

00:46:38.700 Thank you.

00:46:39.440 I'm so glad you asked.

00:46:40.880 Yeah.

00:46:41.600 I've got a lot of questions, but yeah, let's start there.

00:46:44.060 Okay.

00:46:44.280 Let me ask you a question.

00:46:45.160 So first of all, John one, one, right.

00:46:47.940 The gospel of John says in the beginning, there was the word and the word was with God,

00:46:51.680 right?

00:46:52.340 So that Christ has always been there.

00:46:56.240 It's, it's ever present.

00:46:57.880 It's, it's omnipresent.

00:46:59.540 And how I describe it is we've never met Christ, but everybody has experiences of Christ.

00:47:06.220 Like not everybody, but many people do.

00:47:08.520 Many believers do.

00:47:09.880 They, they have a sense.

00:47:11.580 Like I was, I was depressed.

00:47:13.560 I have an experience I'll share later.

00:47:15.100 Like where you're, you're, you're, you're, you feel like you're at rock bottom.

00:47:19.420 And then all of a sudden you feel like you get, you, you connect with this loving presence

00:47:23.780 within you.

00:47:24.680 That's what I mean by Christ consciousness.

00:47:26.320 I don't mean it in a, in a new agey way.

00:47:28.920 Yeah.

00:47:29.320 Because, uh, uh, one of the things that we kind of fight against here on this show is

00:47:33.980 this concept that, um, people will reduce Christ to a, a spiritual function or, or a spiritual,

00:47:44.080 um, enlightenment of sorts.

00:47:46.340 And, and you can kind of look to some of the Gnostic beliefs that there is a, uh, I know

00:47:51.560 the chat is going to get tired of me saying this, but it bears repeating here.

00:47:54.940 Um, Jesus lived to 33.

00:47:57.940 That's simply an allegory for the 33 vertebrae within the spine.

00:48:01.440 And then there is an oil secreted by the spine called Christos.

00:48:04.980 And that through a meditative process, you can migrate this oil all the way to your pineal

00:48:10.920 gland.

00:48:11.200 And that this is what people would call a Kundalini awakening.

00:48:14.680 If you can achieve this, then you can achieve this, this Christ-like state.

00:48:18.900 Now I don't have the, the biological chops to even disagree with that.

00:48:24.460 But what I can disagree with is that Jesus Christ is simply an allegory for this biological 0.99

00:48:29.740 function of the human body.

00:48:31.420 Um, and that he had, he didn't exist in any real meaningful way, but that this is a story,

00:48:36.360 a story that is, you know, uh, uh, an anthropomorphization of, of a function of the spine.

00:48:43.300 Yeah, I will have to, I got to quote one of my professors in college, a philosophy, uh, my

00:48:47.800 philosophy, uh, philosophy professor.

00:48:49.560 He said, words are not fungible.

00:48:51.880 He is basically saying the same things.

00:48:53.380 Words have definitions, you know, in, in Ayn Rand's book, the, um, uh, Atlas Shrugged,

00:48:58.940 one of the characters, Francisco Danconia says, you know, words have exact meanings.

00:49:03.760 So Christ has an exact meaning.

00:49:05.960 You can't make it mean whatever you want to mean.

00:49:07.740 And we can look at Christ.

00:49:08.780 If you look at just the, the, the denotative definition, Christ is our English transliteration

00:49:13.780 of the Greek word, Christos.

00:49:16.200 Christos is the, is the, is the Greek transliteration or translation of the, uh, of the Hebrew word

00:49:22.840 Mashiach, Messiah.

00:49:24.160 It means the anointed one.

00:49:25.640 So anointed one, Mashiach, Mashiach is Christos.

00:49:29.860 Christos becomes Christ.

00:49:30.840 So, you know, Christ is not Jesus's last name.

00:49:32.800 I know we all know that even though my uncle would always say Jesus Christ is not his last

00:49:36.700 name is not a, it is not a, a consciousness in the way people say it is.

00:49:40.980 It means the anointed one.

00:49:42.460 So when someone says to me, I have Christ consciousness, really?

00:49:44.700 So you have the consciousness of a, of an ancient Hebrew, uh, high priest, because the high priest

00:49:50.180 in ancient time, in ancient Israel was called the anointed one.

00:49:53.460 He was called a Mashiach.

00:49:54.640 Jesus was the ultimate Mashiach, but that was called the, that's what the high priest

00:49:59.700 was called.

00:50:00.340 So if you tell me you have Christ consciousness and you tell him you have the consciousness

00:50:03.480 of an ancient, ancient Jewish high priest.

00:50:06.020 No.

00:50:06.520 Why?

00:50:06.840 That's the exact definition.

00:50:08.540 Well, thank you for clarifying.

00:50:09.560 That's not what, yeah, that's not what I meant by it.

00:50:11.560 Well, I know, Jay, I know what's not, but I'm saying is that other people have that.

00:50:15.500 Exactly.

00:50:15.900 I just mean in like a loving, like a presence that we're like, and John describes in Modeling

00:50:21.480 God's Wills, how we are the bride of Christ.

00:50:24.340 We are the bride of, so it's like, it's a force that we're all going to unite with all

00:50:29.480 like the, yeah.

00:50:31.720 So I think it'd be more accurate to say that we, that we, we are connected to Jesus, all

00:50:38.060 of us, whether, even if you're not a Christian per se, because he is the word, the logos,

00:50:42.360 he is the truth.

00:50:43.140 We all know truth.

00:50:44.480 You can reject truth, but you still know it.

00:50:47.320 So if you want to talk about the Christ consciousness, the consciousness of Jesus, you're talking about

00:50:51.000 truth.

00:50:51.600 In the beginning was the word, the logos, the truth.

00:50:53.920 And we all know it.

00:50:55.080 We can reject it and go in other directions, but that's why we're, that's why God can hold

00:50:59.340 us all accountable when we stand before him, whether it's at the judgment seat of Christ

00:51:03.440 or the great white throne of judgment, which is the one you don't want to be.

00:51:06.400 No one can say, I didn't know.

00:51:08.340 Yes, you did.

00:51:09.260 You know, truth, you know, right or wrong.

00:51:12.400 You can choose to ignore it, but you know it.

00:51:15.100 So you have that consciousness of truth in you, no matter what else you might believe.

00:51:20.600 And that's, and we're, and we can all be held accountable to what we all know.

00:51:24.480 And that's why no one will be able to stand before God and say, I didn't know.

00:51:28.980 Yeah, you did.

00:51:29.520 God made our unconscious brain, which is 90% of our brain.

00:51:33.860 And everyone's unconscious knows the non-contradictory definition of every word.

00:51:40.220 So that's how I argue.

00:51:41.920 I argue the same way God argues and Jesus argues is I don't want to win the battle.

00:51:47.520 I want to win the war.

00:51:48.380 So when I argue, I know that that person in their unconscious has the definition.

00:51:54.500 So then I ask the conscious questions in front of the unconscious.

00:51:58.220 And if they want to make a choice to ramp up and go opposite, now they're on the wrong side of justice.

00:52:04.840 And now when I let go and forgive, it takes them out, you know, because God lost an argument with Abraham 0.66

00:52:11.740 and Moses and Hezekiah and in the book of Job.

00:52:15.940 But He won them long term.

00:52:20.060 And so if you really have the Holy Spirit flowing through you and you argue to win the battle,

00:52:25.800 are you really a Christian?

00:52:29.680 I have a question.

00:52:31.520 Just on the topic of Christ consciousness, you said that it's like a feeling of love

00:52:36.200 that you feel that's flowing through your love and peacefulness.

00:52:41.240 But like we've heard multiple stories of people being approached by certain entities

00:52:47.480 and them feeling overwhelmed with love.

00:52:50.700 And then I guess the question is like, well, what is love?

00:52:53.640 How are we defining that?

00:52:54.860 How can we delineate a love that you might experience that might be like overjoyous

00:53:01.400 and the love that is coming from God?

00:53:03.460 How do we know that this is not a, I guess, a delusion or a counterfeit in a way?

00:53:11.620 These are the things I'm suspicious of whenever I hear stuff.

00:53:14.020 Can I actually try to answer that a little bit?

00:53:15.820 No.

00:53:16.280 So when I was, because you had mentioned Jason, I think you used the example of being like a low place,

00:53:23.880 like in a hard time and feeling that spirit.

00:53:28.240 And it's 2 Timothy 1, 7.

00:53:34.160 It says,

00:53:34.600 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, of love, and of sound mind.

00:53:39.740 And I think that those last two specifically, of love and of sound mind.

00:53:43.780 So when I was homeless, I thought that I had, you know, sort of an encounter with God.

00:53:52.080 And it was when I was at my lowest, I was actually contemplating death.

00:53:57.500 And it was a horrifying moment because, you know, you would imagine you stave it off when things are hard,

00:54:06.060 you know, but you push that thought.

00:54:08.180 You don't want to have to resort to thinking about that, exiting this realm for YouTube's sake.

00:54:13.920 And finally, there comes a moment where you allow that thought in and you entertain it.

00:54:20.680 And I forget exactly how it went, but I didn't obviously succumb to that.

00:54:27.460 But it was in that moment that I felt the presence of God.

00:54:32.400 And it was like, even though I was in this horrifying moment where I was contemplating, you know, this really dire thing,

00:54:39.000 I was suddenly given this spirit of love, but specifically of sound mind,

00:54:42.860 where, so I think to answer that, it's like, yeah, love.

00:54:47.320 You take a dump of ayahuasca or you do this LSD thing and now you're experiencing love.

00:54:55.220 And what is that love?

00:54:56.800 People can kind of mess that up with almost like a lust too.

00:55:00.840 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:01.240 Like a mother earth, all these different forms of love.

00:55:03.540 But that peace and sound mind, I think, if you were to test that spirit, obviously, you know, the fruits of that are good.

00:55:14.540 So, I mean, does that, do you think that that is what you're talking about?

00:55:18.360 Well, yeah, that's so well said, Raven.

00:55:20.660 Absolutely.

00:55:21.220 And actually, let me tie it back to the last of the five topics, which is ethics, right?

00:55:27.340 So a big, big, big part of Buddhism is ethics.

00:55:31.180 And John, when I read John's book, this is when I like totally fell in love because he has this concept of justice,

00:55:38.880 which is better describing karma than most, I said, the modern Buddhists explain it.

00:55:45.500 Like karma is causality.

00:55:47.760 Why are things happening?

00:55:49.560 And so to answer your question, like if you are doing unethical things, that is what invites in the entities.

00:56:00.320 You know, you could almost say Buddhism is like, well, these guys are going to teach their version,

00:56:06.560 but it really is a way to get rid of entities.

00:56:08.800 The only the unconscious mind allows the entities to come in.

00:56:13.720 Hatred lets the entities come in.

00:56:16.680 So there's actually like a Ten Commandments in Buddhism.

00:56:19.060 It's almost identical, but they don't have like the Sabbath, you know, idea, but it's like don't kill, don't steal.

00:56:24.620 So you don't even start like this idea of like feeling that Christ conscious.

00:56:30.340 And I regret saying that, but you know what I mean?

00:56:31.980 That you have like one on one is ethics.

00:56:36.840 If you don't have good ethics, don't even start the path.

00:56:39.980 That's what they would say.

00:56:40.900 Don't even start meditating until you've already transformed yourself, until you have a clear conscience.

00:56:47.520 So the path is like this in three steps is like first there's ethics, which is, you know, again, like don't kill, be generous.

00:56:55.960 There's like ten things.

00:56:58.720 Then when your conscience is clear, then you can practice meditation.

00:57:05.400 And then once you're able to get your mind focused, now start reprogramming your unconscious, start aligning with the truth.

00:57:13.520 But ethics comes first.

00:57:14.940 So that really is your greatest, because there is justice in the world, you know, and yeah, like Marzinski talks about people taking meth, you know, like you, you, you have, there is a way to trust yourself, you know, like when you, and again, Buddha, Christ gave, gave these warnings of, you know, if you're being lustful, if you're being, you know, the sins, that's going to, you're going to feel that in yourself.

00:57:44.920 And uneasiness, whereas, you know, be still and be still and know I am, I am, I am God, right?

00:57:51.080 You know, like, so, so there's this concept of, of clear, keeping your conscience clear.

00:57:58.540 So there's one thing I want to, I want to touch on real quick.

00:58:01.600 So I want to make sure we've, we've completely answered Top's question about, you know, differentiation between these, you know, feeling good and thinking that that's love.

00:58:10.340 And it comes down again to definitions.

00:58:12.040 This is something that I think the first time I met John, we had a confrontation because he's, I heard him on a radio show and sorry, I heard him on a radio show and he said something I disagree with.

00:58:25.060 He definitely gave the definition of love.

00:58:27.160 As he said, he said that love is giving without the expectation of getting anything in return.

00:58:33.800 It's without expectation.

00:58:35.040 I said, that's not what love is.

00:58:36.420 And so I, I emailed, I, I think I went on his website and, and, and talked to him there and he, he responded to me and after a while I was like, okay, this guy's right.

00:58:43.900 So, but here's the thing about knowing what true love is, because love is actually giving without the expectation of getting anything in return.

00:58:52.020 We know that from the Bible, the first time the word love is mentioned is in the story, the narrative of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son, Isaac, where Jehovah says to him, take your son, Isaac, whom you love.

00:59:02.960 First time the word love is used and go sacrifice him.

00:59:05.800 So the first time we see love is it's tied to sacrifice.

00:59:09.820 And if you're, if you're sacrificing someone, well, you're not getting them back.

00:59:12.400 What is the most famous verse in the Bible for God?

00:59:16.260 So job three 16 for God, so love the world that he gave his only begotten son.

00:59:19.440 So God, so what love the world that he did, what gave so that whosoever believes.

00:59:25.540 So the ultimate expression of love is giving your own, your own life, the life of your son of Jehovah himself without the expectation whosoever.

00:59:33.980 So he had no expectations that anyone would become a Christian.

00:59:37.440 He said, whosoever, if, if anyone wants to do it, believe in me, great, but he had no expectation.

00:59:41.720 So that's what love is.

00:59:42.860 How does that dovetail with what, um, Raven was talking about when he was feeling fear.

00:59:48.840 And then, um, you know, and he, he, he learned a perfect, perfect love, cast out fear.

00:59:53.740 What, what is fear?

00:59:55.860 Fear is the expectation of something bad happening.

00:59:59.880 That's what fear is.

01:00:01.200 So how does love cast it out?

01:00:02.680 Love has no expectations.

01:00:04.020 So if you are in, if you are in walking in love, you have no expectations.

01:00:08.440 Therefore you can have no fear because fear is an expectation.

01:00:11.300 And I'll give you a quick, um, a quick freebie from, from our upcoming spiritual warfare course, because, because it's something we'll talk about in one of the later months is people have this idea that these demonic entities, the fallen Elohim, they, they feed on us.

01:00:25.860 They want us in fear and anxiety because they feed on it.

01:00:28.960 Well, yes and no, what they feed off of what they want is worship.

01:00:34.840 What is worship?

01:00:35.820 Worship is an exchange of, of spiritual value.

01:00:38.380 And that, that spiritual value can be the active worship of these entities, you know, elevating them to a degree, but there's still spiritual transfer in fear that they can glom onto because fear is almost, is basically a form of worship because you are putting your spiritual energy out there towards something and you are giving it a high position in your life.

01:01:02.020 So yes, these entities do want us in fear and anxiety.

01:01:05.540 I know we talk about that a lot on, on Nephilim death squad and about the demoralization that's going on.

01:01:10.020 And yet they do want that.

01:01:11.260 And they do get that same, they get a similar high from fear as, as they would from any kind of other direct worship, but perfect love casts that out.

01:01:20.220 So that is how you do spiritual warfare against fear by walking in love.

01:01:24.020 Because again, love has no expectations and fear is all about expectations.

01:01:28.040 And also, thank you.

01:01:30.200 I want to just share that if you want to sum up the goal of Buddhism, it's open your, like, get, get rid of the projections of your mind and open up your heart to truly love all beings.

01:01:42.720 You know, just like Jesus said, love, love God and love your neighbor.

01:01:46.620 It goes with two.

01:01:47.880 So it's really, it's really like, like I said, if you're in that state, you know, the entities, and if you think about it, like, you know, look at the voodoo culture, right? 0.99

01:01:57.000 Like, they live in such fear of these entities, and they will literally get, like, get a curse cast on them and die from it.

01:02:05.340 Because, whereas I don't, I don't live in that fear of the entities. 0.98

01:02:09.700 I know I'm, every day I'm working actively to better myself, to be a better person, to, to get rid of my own bullshit every single day.

01:02:19.420 And this is the great thing about what Jason said about love, what Jesus said, again, love God, love other people. 0.89

01:02:23.640 So that means you're still going to get stuff.

01:02:26.000 Here's how, because if you love God, you're giving to God without expectation, which means God has, and God is just, so he has to give back to you.

01:02:32.700 And if you love your neighbor, that means you're giving to your neighbor without expectation of getting anything in return.

01:02:37.680 So God has to pay you back through justice.

01:02:40.120 So by being loving, you're not giving up anything.

01:02:42.700 You're going to gain because you, because God is just, he has to equal out justice.

01:02:46.720 So if you give, if I, you know, if you see a homeless person on the street and you give him $10, you don't expect that back.

01:02:51.720 That's an act of love.

01:02:52.460 That's what charity is.

01:02:53.840 But God says, okay, he gave that guy $10.

01:02:56.120 I've got to equal that out.

01:02:57.160 So you got to get $10 back from someone else.

01:02:59.720 So even though you're giving without expectation, you, even if you believe in Jehovah, he's going to give it back to you.

01:03:06.260 So you're always going to win when you love, you can't lose.

01:03:08.480 So let me just finish this whole point because you brought it all the way around.

01:03:13.000 So this definition of love comes from Luke 6, out of Jesus' mouth.

01:03:19.220 That's the definition of love.

01:03:20.940 When people look at 1 Corinthians 13, Paul is stating 16 effects of love and nine of them are what love isn't.

01:03:30.460 You would never settle for that type of definition.

01:03:32.920 Like a car is, has a steering wheel, doesn't have wings, doesn't have this.

01:03:37.200 But notice at the start of 1 Corinthians 13, Paul says, if you give without love.

01:03:49.500 So the point is, is, is loving is profitable.

01:03:53.760 He says, if you give without love, it's not profitable.

01:03:56.560 That's how he sets it up.

01:03:57.880 So loving isn't simply giving.

01:04:00.600 There's a second half to it without expecting anything in return.

01:04:03.900 So you, if you give without expecting anything in return, then it's profitable through justice.

01:04:09.920 Like Ed said, if you give expecting something in return, it's not profitable. 1.00

01:04:15.820 How about a stupid, here's a stupid question here. 1.00

01:04:17.660 What if you give knowing that you're going to get? 1.00

01:04:20.800 Not expecting, but I'm like, yeah, this is going to come back.

01:04:21.900 No, you should.

01:04:22.260 Jesus said to know that.

01:04:24.000 That's what Jesus is, in Luke 6, he's saying that.

01:04:26.800 Is, is if you give, not expecting anything in return, then the father will give to you.

01:04:32.440 So if you don't look to that person, I like to say, justice is going to work out.

01:04:36.240 So if someone owes me $10, I will say to them, do you want to pay me the $10 or not?

01:04:43.600 If you don't, that's fine.

01:04:45.120 Because $10 from God is going to be worth like a hundred to me.

01:04:48.400 Oh, by the way, $10, God's going to take $10 from you.

01:04:52.880 And so if, Hey, you know, something bad has to happen to you this coming week where you

01:04:57.980 lose $10, but the effect of it is it messes up the rest of your week.

01:05:01.960 I tried to warn you.

01:05:03.700 So that's really how justice works and how this, all this works.

01:05:07.680 It's, it's, it's all, it all fits together.

01:05:10.560 And that's why when someone starts giving me a definition of a word, I can ask a question.

01:05:15.420 If they get hung up on trying to feel right in the moment, they're going to come up with

01:05:20.320 a contradiction.

01:05:21.700 I can forgive them because God accomplishes everything by presenting the truth in love

01:05:27.260 and forgiving.

01:05:29.000 That's how God does everything.

01:05:31.540 And that's how we should do everything.

01:05:33.560 And when I don't see people speak the truth in love and forgive, I got to wonder if they're

01:05:39.280 really a Christian.

01:05:39.900 We've, uh, we're talking about love and fear, which is huge when it comes to, you know,

01:05:47.920 spiritual principles.

01:05:49.700 And, um, there's a lot of overlap here between Buddhism and Christianity, Buddhism and what,

01:05:55.620 and what Jesus said, uh, two other things that I want to talk about, and we know what

01:06:00.760 Christianity says about them.

01:06:02.780 Um, I, I'm curious to see what Buddhism does about them, uh, sin and redemption or repentance.

01:06:13.840 Well, absolutely.

01:06:15.740 Um, the monks part, part of practicing Buddhism is repentance.

01:06:22.980 That's there's, there's, it's a, it's a huge part of it is in fact, the monks twice a month

01:06:27.520 are supposed to openly repent in front of, you know, 10 other monks, what, what, where

01:06:35.040 they broke their vows.

01:06:37.180 Um, so absolutely.

01:06:39.840 Like, like John says, there is justice like that, that, you know, call it karma, call it

01:06:44.500 justice.

01:06:44.960 That's, that's a real force.

01:06:46.580 And that's a hard, like, again, the new age people, Christian, so-called Christian people, 1.00

01:06:52.000 so-called Jewish people, they don't like this idea of justice and karma. 0.73

01:06:56.080 You know, they, they like to think that, oh, I'm doing the Kabbalah.

01:06:59.520 I'm doing, you know, they think they've transcended it, but, but no, like it is real.

01:07:05.260 And by admitting you're wrong, you know, like if, if you realize that everything you don't

01:07:09.980 like in your life is coming from stuff you're doing and you know, that if you want that catching

01:07:18.440 yourself becoming conscious again, it's all this idea of being conscious allows you to better

01:07:26.060 your life by fixing your own behavior.

01:07:28.080 I think that's like really what a spiritual person is, whether you call them Christian

01:07:31.580 or Buddhist, like, are you, are you blaming others for what's happening to you?

01:07:36.060 Or are you looking to yourself and seeing how you could improve yourself?

01:07:39.360 Well, let me clarify this a little bit then.

01:07:41.600 So, so on the topic of, of sin, um, that's, that's one thing, but redemption and, and specifically

01:07:48.640 giving thanks to God, to Jesus for creating a path to renewal and redemption, uh, through

01:08:00.960 what happened on the cross.

01:08:03.620 So when I repent, um, there is a lot of baggage there.

01:08:10.200 I'm obviously, uh, guilty of sinning and I want to be renewed, but I'm also grateful

01:08:18.480 to God in your repentance at something that specifically, I think what he's trying to ask

01:08:23.260 is where's the accountability to in the, in, in the idea of Buddhism and who is offering

01:08:29.520 you this redemption.

01:08:30.960 Yeah.

01:08:32.280 That's a great question.

01:08:33.440 You know, like I want to hear what John has to say, because he, he has this idea of like

01:08:38.820 God, right.

01:08:39.860 This can God lie and, you know, does God have free will?

01:08:42.820 Like he talks all about this in his books, by the way, which is really, really amazing.

01:08:47.120 But, um, you know, again, there is a force again, Buddha wasn't so quick to, to spell it

01:08:53.560 out, but there, there is a force that applies the justice.

01:08:59.120 It's, you could say it's automatic.

01:09:01.100 It's God's design, but it works perfectly.

01:09:04.800 But go ahead, John.

01:09:06.460 I, the thing is, is it's, I got in a lot of trouble with people, with these pastors of

01:09:11.760 talking about sin because I, my first question is what's your definition of sin?

01:09:17.560 Cause what's the Bible say sin is to miss the mark.

01:09:22.720 It's not.

01:09:24.200 People say that everything done apart from faith is sin.

01:09:31.100 Which means you better have a definition for faith. 1.00

01:09:34.440 You're screwed. 0.98

01:09:36.160 Uh, the, uh, Bible defines sin as lawlessness or transgression of God's law, uh, which may 0.99

01:09:41.800 include any action, thought, or intention that goes against his will or perfect standard.

01:09:46.820 I'm literally quoting a verse from the Bible.

01:09:50.820 You're, you're looking at a definition.

01:09:52.840 John 3, 4, sin is lawlessness.

01:09:55.320 Right.

01:09:55.840 Okay.

01:09:56.120 And it is, that's an effect.

01:09:58.320 Sin is an effect of sin.

01:10:00.800 A description of sin is lawlessness.

01:10:02.220 But there's a verse in the Bible.

01:10:03.780 I believe it's Hebrews.

01:10:05.960 Anything done apart from faith is sin.

01:10:09.800 Because Jesus said, if I didn't say something, you'd have a cloak for your sin.

01:10:15.340 And to, to him to know to do this and doesn't do it to him, it is sin.

01:10:20.480 So in the old Testament, sin was very objective.

01:10:23.840 In the new Testament, sin is tied to faith.

01:10:26.960 And so now we got to talk about faith to understand sin.

01:10:32.140 So yes, lawlessness as a, as an effect, but I'm talking about what's this definition and

01:10:37.040 what, what is, what's going on here.

01:10:39.020 And so anything I've done apart from faith is sin.

01:10:42.220 So what's faith?

01:10:43.480 Faith is a belief in something you can't see either because it hasn't happened yet or it's

01:10:48.700 invisible.

01:10:49.400 It's a mental process.

01:10:51.780 And so that's where I think the overlap with Buddhism comes is that, and it's faith is

01:10:57.540 really important because if you only do stuff that you see, then you wouldn't do half the

01:11:05.340 stuff you do.

01:11:06.060 Everybody has faith, you know, that the sun's going to come up tomorrow because it hasn't

01:11:09.800 come up yet.

01:11:10.920 No.

01:11:12.220 So you have faith in something that hasn't happened yet.

01:11:15.480 You have faith in gravity.

01:11:16.600 Have you seen gravity?

01:11:18.320 No.

01:11:19.600 Okay.

01:11:19.800 That's something invisible.

01:11:20.660 So, so, so then is when you know what to do and you don't do it, Ed talked about that

01:11:27.320 earlier.

01:11:28.120 So the thing is, is then, you know, justice is against you and then you have to repair it

01:11:33.440 and repentance is making something it's repair and it's making something better.

01:11:39.420 So what I teach in these communities that help people is, is if I were to punch you, you

01:11:46.820 have a negative attitude about me and being punched, confession is me saying, I admit what

01:11:54.640 I did wrong.

01:11:55.260 Actually a full confession is, I know hitting you was wrong.

01:11:58.600 I know why I hit you because I got frustrated this way.

01:12:01.480 I don't want to do it again. 0.96

01:12:02.640 That actually repairs your brain.

01:12:04.400 And then I need to do repentance is what am I going to say or do to make up for it to

01:12:10.440 the point you feel better about it.

01:12:12.740 Because when the sin is, if I sin against you, when it's done, you and I should be in a better

01:12:18.440 spot because that's how we get ahead in everything.

01:12:22.260 So I say, if I punched you, you know, if I slapped you, how good would you feel about

01:12:26.720 it? 0.90

01:12:26.820 You wouldn't. 0.91

01:12:27.440 If I slapped you and gave you a million dollars because I slapped you, you'd probably tell 0.97

01:12:32.240 everybody I slapped you because you'd enjoy it so much. 0.58

01:12:35.320 So when I help people with repentance, what I say is there's two measures.

01:12:40.240 The person who sinned, are they willing to talk about their sin that they did, that they

01:12:45.180 repented for after the fact?

01:12:47.440 If I, if I repent and then I go, but I want to talk about it.

01:12:51.180 I didn't really repent.

01:12:52.200 I didn't really confess.

01:12:53.140 I didn't really admit it.

01:12:54.460 Do you feel better about it?

01:12:56.020 So that's the measure.

01:12:56.920 When I help these communities, it's like, this person needs to repent.

01:13:01.220 You, I need to repent in a way that you feel good.

01:13:04.480 This thing happened between us.

01:13:07.300 That's the same way with God.

01:13:08.900 You need to feel good.

01:13:10.080 You need to handle that in a way that, that God would feel good about it in the Bible as

01:13:15.900 a Christian, what we should do is God's telling us what to do.

01:13:19.920 That's grace. 0.97

01:13:20.700 When we don't do it, that's sin.

01:13:23.480 We should admit that we didn't do what God said, which fits more of that human definition

01:13:29.000 you had.

01:13:29.720 And then our repentance is to do what God is telling us to do.

01:13:35.240 So again, that's where like, we are saved by grace through faith.

01:13:39.920 If your definition of grace is unmerited favor, then you're falling in the same trap that Paul

01:13:45.320 talked about.

01:13:45.800 Like the only way I could grow in grace is to sin more, but grace is God flowing through

01:13:50.780 me.

01:13:51.140 Grace is me allowing God's will to flow through me instead of my will.

01:13:55.800 So the thing is, is that is somebody a Christian, if they are still doing their will and they're 0.93

01:14:02.440 not letting God do his will through them.

01:14:05.440 And that's, that's the thing about, you know, you know, confession of repentance is I should

01:14:10.080 admit it.

01:14:10.740 And then I should do what God's telling me to do to fix it.

01:14:14.300 If I try to avoid it, I didn't really repent to God.

01:14:18.600 I agree with that.

01:14:19.620 I actually liked that definition of what you said as well, but how does it apply to like,

01:14:25.080 like the question is like how, who are, who as a Buddhist, who are you repenting to?

01:14:31.380 Who is the accountability factor?

01:14:32.880 This is the very important thing.

01:14:34.060 Like I come from a libertarian background and, and it's like a very, I think it's a

01:14:39.320 great ideology, but they have taken God purposefully and they've taken him right out the center

01:14:45.120 of whatever this would be.

01:14:47.380 And it's just a linchpin.

01:14:48.540 Yeah. 0.93

01:14:48.660 Now it turns into, I don't know if some gay dude and a cop are their VP and, and a presidential 0.93

01:14:54.180 nominees. 0.91

01:14:54.620 And it's no question as to why that happened.

01:14:57.580 You had this great theory, but God in the middle was removed.

01:15:01.180 So for Buddhism, I'm just trying to figure out what's in the middle, holding it together

01:15:05.960 besides me and my, uh, my consciousness, my obedience, my will.

01:15:11.680 What is that?

01:15:12.620 Yeah.

01:15:12.940 That's, let me say this before he says that.

01:15:15.220 So here's, here's what I realized with Buddhism is Buddhism matches up with this mind and

01:15:21.660 brain model I have with flow sets.

01:15:23.600 It's not really a religion.

01:15:25.460 It's, it's Buddhism is this idea that if I get all of my issues out of the way, God can

01:15:32.900 flow through me.

01:15:33.560 And so they, they recognize there's a God, but they're not trying to focus.

01:15:40.660 The purpose of Buddhism is not to focus on God.

01:15:43.240 The purpose of Buddhism is the, is to get all your stuff out of the way.

01:15:46.620 So Buddhism is very much defensive based.

01:15:50.060 Like how do I stop being unjust and how do I fix that?

01:15:54.260 What Ed and I are doing with spiritual warfare is we'll cover that defensive base, but Ed's

01:15:59.060 a badass.

01:15:59.480 So we're going to try to do the offensive side in the spiritual warfare for now.

01:16:04.400 We're actually supposed to go on the offensive.

01:16:06.040 So to me, when, when you look at Buddhism, the minute you try to make it a religion, it's 0.88

01:16:10.700 like, man, it's really psychology trying to get me out of the way.

01:16:14.320 And then it's up to each Buddhist what, what they believe, but go ahead, Jason.

01:16:18.760 No, you're right.

01:16:19.700 It's there, there is an omniscient, omnipresent consciousness.

01:16:27.020 You know what I mean?

01:16:27.900 But like it's, and when you do the practice and you start to clear away, get out of your

01:16:34.980 own way, you will know God directly.

01:16:37.820 You will, you will experience it.

01:16:41.780 So that's, that's, so, so you can, but you can be a Buddhist.

01:16:46.120 And if, if you choose to repent to Jesus, that's perfectly fine.

01:16:51.820 We have this concept of the divine, you know, like you, you, you know, so, so, so it's, it's

01:16:57.540 Buddhism actually allows you to, or not allows you, but it's, it's like you could use any

01:17:02.880 archetype that helps you connect to the, to the divine.

01:17:07.540 So Buddhism is a philosophy.

01:17:09.720 It's not a religion.

01:17:10.420 It's a philosophy.

01:17:11.440 And it's a philosophy that can lead you to, to God, to Jesus, to Christ, even though,

01:17:17.080 even if you don't know their name, I like to go ahead.

01:17:19.700 Oh, well, I want to just tell, I actually have a good story because, you know, about

01:17:24.480 seven years ago, I was deep into Buddhism, became a Lama, like very well-respected.

01:17:30.860 And I, I was, you know, trying to get into business.

01:17:35.580 I didn't want to be a monk.

01:17:36.520 I wanted to, to like, okay, I'm going to fit in.

01:17:38.640 I'm going to, I'm going to live the Buddhist way. 1.00

01:17:41.200 And I'm going to help people through just practicing everything I studied and, and also challenge

01:17:47.140 myself instead of just being a monk.

01:17:49.180 It's a great life being a monk.

01:17:50.540 You do, you really get to devote yourself a hundred percent to spiritual pursuit, but

01:17:54.860 I, I wanted the challenge to, to be in the world.

01:17:57.720 And so I'm studying business, reading all these books.

01:18:00.220 Somehow I wound up listening to like Dave Ramsey, who, who, who uses Christianity for, for business.

01:18:06.280 And then I wound up listening to Glenn Beck.

01:18:08.360 And he, he says the smartest guy he knows for business is this rabbi named Daniel Lapkin.

01:18:14.640 So I'm like, who the hell is this guy?

01:18:16.040 So I look him up, I get his book from the library.

01:18:18.560 It's called business secrets from the Bible.

01:18:20.380 And it's obviously the old Testament, but this was just spot on.

01:18:24.620 And I'm like, and that's when it hit me.

01:18:26.380 This Bible has so much value that I didn't get from Buddhism.

01:18:30.840 You know, Buddhism gave me an amazing foundation to learn.

01:18:34.460 But then when I started reading that, so then I got obsessed with the Bible.

01:18:37.720 I'm, and one day I went out, you know, um, trying to hook up with girls, trying to, you

01:18:43.180 know, just, just, just came home feeling really sleazy.

01:18:46.680 And I just turned on Netflix.

01:18:48.220 And what do I see?

01:18:49.120 Like the gospels on, on Netflix.

01:18:51.820 I don't know if you guys saw this.

01:18:52.860 It was really well done.

01:18:54.440 It's all four gospels on Netflix in Aramaic with, with dubbing.

01:18:58.660 And I was like, I don't know anything about Jesus.

01:19:00.660 And I just listened four hours to like two in the morning, went to sleep, woke up, finished

01:19:06.520 it.

01:19:06.980 And then I just laid on the, laid on my floor.

01:19:09.660 And I felt, I, I actually had this, I was thinking about the Lord's prayer and I had

01:19:14.760 this feeling of, of Jesus.

01:19:17.200 You know, I actually had this amazing transformative experience.

01:19:20.340 I cried and I just felt so much cleaner.

01:19:23.300 So I got so far with Buddhism and I, and I still practice it, but I got something more

01:19:29.400 that I didn't get from Buddhism.

01:19:31.700 And, and it has to do with this forgiveness, the forgiveness, forgiveness part of things.

01:19:36.180 And I was able to forgive myself and it just, and then after that, I couldn't look at a woman 1.00

01:19:40.560 lustfully for months.

01:19:42.600 So, um, I forget how, how I got into that, uh, Ed, but you were, so you said, I was going

01:19:49.120 to just, I was just going to say that this kind of is in line with, with the

01:19:53.280 one of the classic questions you get from people who are unbelievers, which the question 0.99

01:19:56.680 is actually a cop-out.

01:19:57.560 They're trying to deflect when they say, well, you know, I can't believe in God because,

01:20:01.580 you know, what about the, the guy out in the jungle somewhere who's never seen a missionary, 0.95

01:20:06.380 who's never seen a Bible, um, he's going to die and go to hell. 0.88

01:20:10.040 I can't believe in a God like that because why would you hold him accountable to something 0.77

01:20:14.300 that he's never experienced?

01:20:15.480 And of course, that's a cop-out you're trying to deflect from you.

01:20:17.800 The question is not about jungle Joe.

01:20:19.540 What about you?

01:20:20.140 You, you know, you have access to it.

01:20:23.100 You don't, you've never asked about the comparative nature of jungle Joe.

01:20:28.000 When you made any other decision in your life, whether who you got married to, who, where

01:20:31.540 you went to school, you never said, I wonder what there's some guy in a jungle would do.

01:20:34.260 No, you can make, you're fully capable of making decisions without jungle Joe, but it actually 1.00

01:20:38.640 is a, a valid question.

01:20:41.620 What about that?

01:20:42.480 Well, let's look at, remember what I said before, you were accountable to God to know

01:20:46.140 you're, you're accountable for what you know is truth.

01:20:48.540 So let's take the jungle guy or anyone who has not had an, a direct Christian experience.

01:20:54.500 What do they know?

01:20:55.660 First of all, they believe in the supernatural.

01:20:58.400 Atheism has to be taught to you.

01:20:59.560 You don't have to, you don't have to convince a kid that Jesus, that God exists.

01:21:03.240 They know it.

01:21:03.700 So they're, they know that it's supernatural.

01:21:05.280 They also know there's right and wrong.

01:21:07.000 They know that that right or wrong was going to come from a supernatural source.

01:21:12.380 It doesn't come from them.

01:21:13.560 They know that.

01:21:14.680 What else do they know?

01:21:15.640 They know that they tend to be wrong more than they are right.

01:21:19.160 So they know that they are inherently not righteous.

01:21:21.960 They know that they are inherently sinful.

01:21:24.360 So if that person out in the jungle who believes in a supernatural, who knows a supernatural, who

01:21:28.780 knows that right goodness comes from the supernatural and that wrongness comes from them.

01:21:32.380 And if they appeal to this supernatural source of righteousness, say, I can't be right on

01:21:38.720 my own.

01:21:39.460 I need you to help me be right.

01:21:42.620 What have they just done?

01:21:43.780 They just prayed the sinner's prayer.

01:21:45.620 They just acknowledged that righteousness exists.

01:21:49.540 They just acknowledge that they're sinners.

01:21:51.740 They just acknowledge that they need that righteous source to be in them in order to be righteous.

01:21:57.160 That is in effect, the sinner's prayer.

01:21:59.020 So I believe God will honor that because based on the information that they have, God will

01:22:09.280 hold them accountable to that degree.

01:22:11.700 Now, you and I, we're going to be held to a much higher standard because there's a church

01:22:15.820 on every corner.

01:22:16.520 There's a Bible in every hotel room.

01:22:18.400 You can go on the internet.

01:22:19.200 So we're going to be held to a higher standard than Jungle Joe.

01:22:22.180 But Jungle Joe can still be saved based on what he inherently knows.

01:22:26.580 So same thing with someone who's pursuing Buddhism.

01:22:29.480 If they realize, hey, ethics, I'm not right.

01:22:31.680 I need to be more ethical.

01:22:33.200 Epistemology, I need reason.

01:22:34.940 I need to know all these different things.

01:22:37.000 They can say, you know what?

01:22:37.940 It doesn't come from me.

01:22:39.440 If I was a source of goodness, if I was righteous, then I wouldn't need ethics.

01:22:42.920 I would need to confess.

01:22:44.540 It must come from this higher power, this divine source.

01:22:47.000 Even if you don't call it God or Jehovah or Yahweh.

01:22:49.400 No, that's not the point.

01:22:52.300 God didn't even know his name was Yahweh until Abraham didn't know that God's name

01:22:56.620 was Yahweh, Jehovah.

01:22:58.360 He told the Israelites in Exodus, I'm telling you my name for the first time.

01:23:03.100 So even Abraham didn't know his name.

01:23:05.140 So it's not about the name.

01:23:06.500 It's about knowing that he, the definition, always and completely righteous and just.

01:23:11.340 And everyone believes in righteousness.

01:23:13.200 Everyone believes in justice.

01:23:14.600 Everyone knows that they are not always completely right and just, but they know that it exists.

01:23:18.120 That means they know that God exists.

01:23:19.660 Even if you're an atheist, you know that God exists because you know righteousness and

01:23:23.020 justice exists.

01:23:23.920 You can appeal to it or you can reject it.

01:23:25.880 And you're going to be judged by God.

01:23:28.420 Your eternity is based on whether you acknowledge righteousness and justice or whether you reject

01:23:33.220 it.

01:23:34.380 What does Buddhism say about, if anything, about Jesus Christ?

01:23:39.960 Well, Buddhism, Buddha was alive before Jesus, 500 years before Jesus.

01:23:45.240 So, in other words, nothing.

01:23:49.920 Yeah, I mean, Buddha didn't say anything.

01:23:51.760 I mean, OK, so I'll share.

01:23:53.700 There's a concept of like, you know, like a bodhisattva is, you know, you could say that

01:24:02.460 as we become perfected, we become better instruments of God, right?

01:24:07.680 Like, that's the whole purpose to me of spirituality, whatever you call it, is to get rid of the

01:24:14.040 sin and allow God to flow through.

01:24:16.020 What could be better?

01:24:16.860 We're in a flow state 24 hours a day.

01:24:19.580 God's guiding us and we're surrounded by other people who also are connected to God.

01:24:24.360 Like, that's what John calls a generative community.

01:24:27.080 And I mean, I think we're all aspiring to that.

01:24:29.240 And I also think we're being, I think God is working in this crazy world we're in right

01:24:35.100 now to actually bring that about for the people who choose right, you know, like, but what

01:24:43.660 was your question again?

01:24:45.060 I have kind of a follow up question then.

01:24:48.380 So this is, throughout this conversation, there's a lot of interesting tenets of Buddhism.

01:24:52.240 And I can see the benefits, especially the psychological benefits, the disciplinary benefits.

01:24:59.000 I can see how it can get you to the door, too.

01:25:01.080 Yes.

01:25:01.260 But I mean, like...

01:25:02.140 Well, hold on, though.

01:25:02.840 I do want to ask this, because we've used expressions throughout this conversation, like

01:25:06.540 the Bible says this thing.

01:25:08.880 Well, interestingly enough, Buddhism says this.

01:25:11.240 And there's this really large overlap in these tenets.

01:25:15.040 Or even expressions like Jesus said this, and Buddhism says this.

01:25:20.280 So my question would then be, why not just be Christian? 0.62

01:25:25.460 Well, this idea of like, be, this goes back to that identity.

01:25:30.260 I think to me, God cares more about what you do, what you think, what you say, what you

01:25:37.140 do, right?

01:25:38.660 So to me, it's...

01:25:40.500 Because honestly, like, they're all paths.

01:25:44.700 They're all, you know, they give you tools.

01:25:47.460 So the Buddha gave thousands...

01:25:49.120 Like, everything is in the Gospels, I swear.

01:25:51.080 If you just have the Gospels, you have everything you need.

01:25:53.780 You don't need Buddhism.

01:25:55.300 But Buddha offered...

01:25:56.920 It's like when I read John's books, Modeling God, you know, it gave me a different perspective.

01:26:03.860 Like, I didn't get this from Buddha, but it's pointing...

01:26:07.140 Truth is truth, you know?

01:26:08.400 It's like we have a concept, an Indian concept of like the finger pointing to the moon.

01:26:13.700 It's not the finger.

01:26:15.240 The finger is just telling you where to look.

01:26:17.100 The moon, like Pop just said, it's the way into the door.

01:26:20.820 It's the way to the door.

01:26:22.320 So, you know, the truth is there.

01:26:28.100 You know, like...

01:26:29.800 That is an interesting concept that it can get you to the door.

01:26:33.880 A soaking conspiracy.

01:26:35.140 Well, that's kind of it, which did lead to ultimately a bottleneck, which is this narrow...

01:26:41.100 Monetarianism or New Age philosophy or like occultism.

01:26:45.940 We've talked to so many people who have like, they've came right to the door of like when you're scratching for the truth under whatever philosophy or doctrine you're reading or whatever you're doing.

01:26:57.380 And it kind of all points back to Jesus Christ.

01:26:59.660 And then, like, for me personally, I'm put in a position where, especially with the show, and Ed saw this firsthand, which is crazy.

01:27:09.380 And thank you, Ed.

01:27:09.960 I really do thank you for, like, sticking with us through whatever the hell we were doing.

01:27:17.200 Through our wide path?

01:27:19.200 Yeah, no, because that's what it is, right?

01:27:21.340 Like, we're doing this...

01:27:23.160 Everyone's doing this weird journey and you're going to end up in a spot.

01:27:25.980 But when the spot leads you to the door, you go, well, am I going to go in?

01:27:30.380 Well, yeah, it's this thing leading to a narrow path.

01:27:32.980 Yeah, and I'm not saying, like, you're not, like...

01:27:35.980 I'm not saying you're, like, playing around.

01:27:38.000 But, like, for me, I was playing around at the door.

01:27:40.640 I was having a lot of fun. 1.00

01:27:42.120 I was saying a lot of shit. 0.99

01:27:43.560 I was doing a lot. 0.99

01:27:44.360 I was just playing around at the door.

01:27:45.900 I put my foot in the door real quick, come back out.

01:27:48.240 And I'm like this.

01:27:49.360 But then after a while of doing it, I'm like, this is actually kind of detrimental to me.

01:27:53.100 You don't play with God like that.

01:27:55.980 You don't step in and step out.

01:27:57.840 So it's almost like I'd rather be Jungle Joe, where I don't know.

01:28:02.000 And I could understand...

01:28:03.080 But once you do know...

01:28:04.060 These primal natures and, like, yes, God is.

01:28:07.100 But I don't know this Jesus figure.

01:28:09.420 I can't read the book.

01:28:10.400 No one's ever told me.

01:28:11.740 That's preferable than knowing.

01:28:13.720 Because now I've seen it.

01:28:15.440 And I think the thing that we're kind of...

01:28:17.140 I want to move on a little bit past this.

01:28:20.400 The thing that we're getting at is, like, there was a sacrifice made.

01:28:23.340 It was pretty heavy.

01:28:24.740 And it's like...

01:28:25.280 Yeah, the debt has been paid.

01:28:26.820 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:28.020 That's a thing that I have a hard time getting around or going back on.

01:28:33.880 Because I'm like...

01:28:35.480 What I do see, though, is that a lot of people might have come to a much better conclusion

01:28:39.840 if we didn't give them...

01:28:40.880 Or not we, but if in the 60s and 70s you didn't get this really bastardized version of Buddhism...

01:28:47.520 Or a bastardized version of Christianity. 0.51

01:28:49.720 Exactly.

01:28:50.600 Yeah.

01:28:50.920 Exactly.

01:28:51.520 Yeah.

01:28:51.840 In a huge way.

01:28:52.900 In a huge way.

01:28:53.560 I understand.

01:28:54.860 It's like, well, what do you mean be?

01:28:56.260 Why would I want to be a thing?

01:28:58.100 And it's like, yeah.

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.220 I've never really put a label on myself either because I know that it's infallible.

01:29:02.660 So, like, you know, if I say I'm a Republican, people will be like, oh, that means that you're this or that.

01:29:08.440 You're Lindsey Graham's like, no, no, there's nuance.

01:29:10.820 So, I'm not going to do that.

01:29:12.060 But I'm kind of tired of letting people take a label, especially this one.

01:29:17.200 This is a pretty important label.

01:29:19.620 And it's like 400 denomination label.

01:29:24.820 Is it?

01:29:25.320 I thought it was more, honestly.

01:29:26.740 Yeah.

01:29:26.920 Let me see if I can take you past this because I think you're bringing up a huge point that I write about in my books.

01:29:32.540 And that is Jesus had two messages, okay?

01:29:36.880 By salvation and reward.

01:29:39.240 And that's where a lot of people confuse Christianity is when Jesus, you know, loving God with all your heart is salvation.

01:29:47.500 Loving your neighbor is the reward.

01:29:49.720 In the end, there's two judgments that happen.

01:29:52.280 There's a judgment with a book.

01:29:53.780 That's a salvation.

01:29:55.000 And then there's a judgment with a books.

01:29:56.780 That's reward.

01:29:57.660 And so, what happens is, is when you're saved, that should be in your rearview mirror.

01:30:05.640 I don't know why people keep talking about salvation after they're saved.

01:30:09.980 Because it's supposed to be sanctification after you're saved.

01:30:13.820 And you're supposed to be acquiring reward.

01:30:15.980 And you're supposed to be doing spiritual warfare.

01:30:18.100 And you're supposed to be doing all this stuff, not getting saved and staying saved and just stay saved.

01:30:23.320 And how can I maintain stay and stay?

01:30:25.880 Sanctification.

01:30:27.260 And so, the thing is, is getting through the door is one thing.

01:30:30.460 How do you grow in that salvation towards sanctification?

01:30:34.800 And that's where I'd say, I don't think you need Buddhism to do that.

01:30:38.320 But honestly, when I talk to Christians, I work with another guy who has his podcast on Christianity.

01:30:47.320 And when they did a show about what happens after salvation, they got so much attacks.

01:30:56.980 No, you don't.

01:30:58.040 This is bait and switch.

01:30:59.060 I've already given up enough.

01:31:00.460 And it's like, oh, my goodness.

01:31:01.920 Because you see Christianity as some sort of sacrifice.

01:31:06.300 And you're just trying to get through the door and just try to stay through the door.

01:31:10.400 Don't you know the gospel is talking about having this amazing life, growing in sanctification is amazing.

01:31:18.060 It's what you're going to do for eternity.

01:31:19.680 Like, if this is torture, good thing you're not going to go to heaven and be in New Jerusalem.

01:31:24.560 Because that'd be torture to you to continue to do that.

01:31:27.120 I think Buddhism, what we did in our second season, is there's so many concepts in Buddhism that are really talking about sanctification.

01:31:34.800 We shouldn't need Buddhism to do it. 1.00

01:31:37.960 But it's amazing how many people in the church don't have any grid for after salvation.

01:31:45.180 Well, what I meant by, like, going through the door and it being, like, I guess I'm just keenly aware of, like, when I go through that door, I understand that whatever we're bringing, we're going to have to carry that.

01:31:57.260 And I'm going to probably have to carry that a little bit further than most people because of the things that I've said and done in the past.

01:32:02.680 And that's going to be a heavy task.

01:32:04.880 And you read about what happened to the apostles.

01:32:07.540 These were guys that walk with Jesus.

01:32:10.460 It's not fun.

01:32:12.000 But on the way, they did crazy things and amazing things.

01:32:17.980 It's probably a journey that most people would want to do.

01:32:21.080 But just be aware of what comes with that.

01:32:23.680 There's a heavy price to pay for that here on earth, at least.

01:32:25.840 And it's like, so, yeah, when I was at, like, for myself, I'm looking at the door.

01:32:29.800 Do I want to go in?

01:32:30.860 I understand that. 0.80

01:32:32.560 And I said, let's do it anyway because I'm retarded.

01:32:35.140 And now we're just run full force. 0.57

01:32:37.320 There's no other way back.

01:32:38.420 But, yeah, listen, I wanted to actually ask Jason about something.

01:32:42.780 We had a previous guest on and you had mentioned before the show about Buddha and the ninth reincarnation or whatever you said.

01:32:50.020 It's the ninth reincarnation of Vishnu, which is a very difficult thing to fact check.

01:32:57.660 But it's a sensational thing.

01:32:59.480 It's very fun to say.

01:33:01.440 Yeah.

01:33:01.740 And I think that's worth addressing.

01:33:04.740 Yeah.

01:33:04.940 Thank you.

01:33:05.320 I heard you guys say that a bunch of times.

01:33:06.680 Yeah, I mean, it's really messy when you really think about it because there was this bunch of different Indian belief systems. 1.00

01:33:15.440 They were invaded by the Muslims, 1,000, taken over.

01:33:20.380 All their stuff was destroyed.

01:33:21.980 Then the British took over for 300 years. 0.99

01:33:24.440 So what we call modern Hinduism is, you know, they're gathering the fragments. 0.98

01:33:31.220 The Buddhism went to Tibet and it was protected while the Illuminati was taking over the whole world.

01:33:37.440 Tibet was actually the only place they couldn't get to until 1959 through communist China.

01:33:43.580 They got in there.

01:33:45.020 But the point is, what was I saying?

01:33:50.480 Vishnu.

01:33:51.520 Oh, yeah.

01:33:52.220 Thank you.

01:33:52.660 It's like that, you know, the modern Hindu, they just claim Buddha was the ninth incarnation of Vishnu.

01:33:59.420 There's nothing that Buddha never said that.

01:34:02.100 I remember that guest was kind of insinuating that like, oh, he's Buddha secretly a Nephilim.

01:34:08.140 And there's nothing like that.

01:34:10.400 Buddha doesn't claim to be anything but a human who awoken his mind to the truth, opened his heart to compassion.

01:34:18.900 And he taught in parables, just like Jesus.

01:34:22.580 Like he even said, you'll like this.

01:34:25.600 The Buddha said, don't believe a word I said.

01:34:29.200 Don't believe anything I said just because I'm the Buddha.

01:34:32.220 Test it yourself if it's true.

01:34:34.540 And how I define truth is that if you apply it, it will repeatedly give you good results.

01:34:42.080 So if this is true, if you get good results from this, then apply what I said.

01:34:47.840 If not, reject it.

01:34:48.920 So, yeah, there is there there does seem to be a divide where, you know, many Buddhists don't accept that view exactly as you've said here, Jason.

01:34:59.160 And then there are there's this Hindu perspective, which, you know, I guess it's like anything.

01:35:05.340 You're going to find groups within a belief system that are kind of doing this tug of war.

01:35:10.540 However, so many Buddhists don't accept no Buddhists, no Buddhists do not a single one.

01:35:16.160 It's true Buddhists. 1.00

01:35:19.380 Yeah, it says Hindu in particular Hindus, Hindus and Buddhists are different.

01:35:23.100 Hindus. 1.00

01:35:23.500 That's what I was saying.

01:35:24.180 Like Buddha, like the Hindu Buddha grew up in the Hindu culture.

01:35:27.660 He was just like Jesus.

01:35:29.260 He he like just like Jesus went against the Pharisees.

01:35:33.040 Buddha did the same thing.

01:35:34.360 And his whole thing was almost like a counter to what to what they had become, just lazy, calling themselves a chosen people, following following the laws and everything.

01:35:45.260 So.

01:35:45.640 So, yeah, there's nothing in there about about the call himself or anything like that.

01:35:52.140 Yeah, but it's like it's like when the Gnostics say stuff by Hindus. 0.93

01:35:54.800 Oh, yeah.

01:35:55.260 What the Gnostics say about Jesus that, you know, he was he was a hologram or he was he married Mary Magdalene and had a bunch of kids.

01:36:01.460 They just that's just stuff they made up.

01:36:03.500 Yeah, exactly.

01:36:04.020 It's like people, people of all all types.

01:36:06.720 And that's what I was saying.

01:36:07.760 It's like to me, you've got to go to the original sources.

01:36:10.900 That's the Gospels.

01:36:12.620 That's the what we call them, the Sutras.

01:36:14.820 The Sutras are the collected teachings of the Buddha.

01:36:18.240 Over twenty six hundred years, there's countless commentaries upon commentaries upon commentaries.

01:36:24.640 And, you know, that's why what we call the lineage is very important.

01:36:28.580 I know Jay Dyer talks about the like why the Orthodox is the best because they have the lineage.

01:36:33.280 You know, so so, yeah, you got it always if it contradicts what the scripture says, then if someone says it's the ninth incarnation of issue, Buddha never said that that's not in any of the scripture.

01:36:44.460 So, Buddhism just sees Buddha.

01:36:48.780 It's just interesting because it's like within the name.

01:36:50.640 Like if you go Christianity, it's about Christ. 0.87

01:36:52.860 But if you look at Buddhism, it's is it not necessarily saying that Buddha.

01:36:57.360 What role does he play in it?

01:36:58.860 Right.

01:36:59.080 Right.

01:36:59.320 Because there are statues like, is he also is he fat?

01:37:01.900 Is he that fat?

01:37:02.840 Because that's because I see like I see different versions of Buddha.

01:37:07.140 I just had Chinese food the other day, which is weird.

01:37:09.700 They just like rolling around with this golden.

01:37:11.640 It's always made of gold.

01:37:12.560 That's like a Chinese. 1.00

01:37:13.640 That's that's that's actually.

01:37:14.840 Oh, you talked about this to my treya like that.

01:37:17.320 They were saying my treya is going to be.

01:37:19.920 Yeah.

01:37:20.220 So that's a perfect example.

01:37:21.580 So there's this guy from like the 70s who called himself my treya and he's like, I'm my treya.

01:37:29.020 I'm the Buddha.

01:37:29.860 I'm this.

01:37:30.460 And he started a cult.

01:37:31.640 And then your guest, I forget who it was, was going all about, oh, this is my treya.

01:37:36.320 This is just some guy who calls himself my treya.

01:37:38.640 There is an idea.

01:37:39.960 So to answer your question, we all have the potential to become Buddhas.

01:37:44.380 Just means fully awakened.

01:37:46.140 You master your conscious mind.

01:37:47.840 You master your unconscious mind.

01:37:49.560 You master your heart.

01:37:50.580 You know, and so we all have the potential.

01:37:53.160 Buddha reached it and he taught it.

01:37:55.960 And and and in the far future, we can get into this like the lifespan is going to get shorter.

01:38:02.920 People are going to be plugged into the into the A.I.

01:38:05.100 Matrix.

01:38:05.740 And then eventually my treya will come in the far future and will become another Buddha and teaching.

01:38:12.180 But it's not it's you know what I mean?

01:38:15.320 Like it's like just because people 2000 years later are doing something that does not reflect on the original teaching.

01:38:22.940 Just like, you know, I mean, think about the Christians with the snake charming Christians and and and and you know, the whole like the. 1.00

01:38:29.280 You know, what is it speaking in tongues and all all this stuff, you know, so.

01:38:33.900 You know, the branches, sorry, sorry to interrupt, but I I actually the day jobs calling.

01:38:42.120 So I've got about 10 more minutes.

01:38:43.780 So but I want to get into our spiritual work, of course, you guys can go on without me.

01:38:47.660 Oh, please.

01:38:48.120 Yeah, I want to do that to this.

01:38:51.120 And I think that one of the segues to this is that spiritual warfare follows some a one of the tenets of Buddhism or vice versa.

01:39:01.500 And that is, you know, it's the backward step it is you are because we start the class talking about we're going to talk about defense and things like that.

01:39:10.300 So let's just give a quick preamble.

01:39:12.580 And I did a video on this.

01:39:13.920 You can see on the on faith by reason on the on the on the page I put up for the registration.

01:39:19.840 And so the reason this all came about was after I started teaching the Bible from the supernatural point of view, you know, with John doing doing Bible studies, we've been doing for a few years and spiritual warfare just became a part of it because people were asking.

01:39:35.800 We could talk about the spiritual realm, the Elohim realm and the battles that are going on there behind the scenes.

01:39:39.680 You see, like, in Daniel chapter 10, where, you know, the prince of Persia is fighting against the the Elohim that was sent to Daniel. 0.86

01:39:45.320 And then he has to fight the prince, the power of Greece, which we who are fallen Elohim, who were, you know, given who were given that role during the after Babel.

01:39:56.340 And they all fell because they accepted worship.

01:39:59.340 But then they would say, well, how do we how do we get rid of oppression in our life?

01:40:03.940 You know, how do we deal with generational curses?

01:40:06.280 How do we deal with people in our family who are spiritually oppressed?

01:40:10.840 And we kept getting these questions.

01:40:12.400 And I was talking to John about it.

01:40:13.880 And I said, John, we need to do we need to do a course on this.

01:40:16.600 We need people need to be taught because I can give some advice here and there, you know, prayer, the armor of God and all that kind of stuff.

01:40:23.040 But we need to make this thorough.

01:40:25.540 So John and I are putting together the curriculum right now for a 12 month course, whole year on spiritual warfare.

01:40:33.660 And it is, as I say, on on that page, this isn't just spiritual boot camp.

01:40:39.120 This is Delta Force, Green Beret, Black Belt training, because you're not you're going to not only learn about spiritual warfare. 0.92

01:40:45.800 You're going to learn about how to walk with Jehovah better. 0.99

01:40:48.840 You're going to learn how to you're going to learn about yourself.

01:40:52.700 You're going to learn defense first.

01:40:53.900 The first thing you have to do in spiritual warfare is you have to get yourself together, just like any other combat.

01:40:58.940 But you've got to be you've got to be ready to go.

01:41:01.680 You've got to get rid of everything that's not right in your life, just like when Jason was talking about Buddhism.

01:41:06.100 You've got to get all that stuff out there, get on the get your defense ready.

01:41:10.140 Then you can go on offense.

01:41:11.840 And there is so, so much.

01:41:13.900 John, you can talk about some more of the things people can expect in this course.

01:41:17.780 Yeah.

01:41:17.920 So Ed and I actually taught this course during COVID and I kind of let it and Ed was supporting it.

01:41:26.540 And we had these people going through COVID and having these amazing experiences.

01:41:31.080 So when Ed said, you know, we need to do that, what he's saying is, is we kind of need to do it formalized and not big picture willy nilly like I did it.

01:41:40.260 So Ed's like really come in and stepped it up.

01:41:42.880 And the whole thing is this, I have the greatest force in the universe inside of me, the Holy Spirit.

01:41:51.880 And my goal is to allow God to work through me to affect this world.

01:41:59.620 And I don't want to spend eternity telling people, you know, I had the greatest force in the universe.

01:42:06.620 And rather act in that, I got distracted by this government and circumstances and that's how I spent my time on earth.

01:42:15.140 What about you?

01:42:16.360 Ed and I want to work with these people who are saying, I want to do something that has an eternal effect.

01:42:23.620 And I want to, I want to have a story for eternity that I spent my time doing what Jesus did.

01:42:29.740 And the first time I was on your guys' show, I asked you guys, should you be talking to demons?

01:42:35.340 And then I said, what did Jesus do?

01:42:37.540 We can do stuff greater than Jesus.

01:42:39.620 And he knew his authority and he was dealing with them.

01:42:43.020 No one teaches what he was specifically doing.

01:42:48.320 And so it takes the entire Bible.

01:42:50.360 What we did in that course was we started from the beginning of the Bible in chronological order.

01:42:55.340 And there's so many instances when people go through the Bible like that, they find out there are some amazing things that happen in here.

01:43:03.900 Why don't people teach it?

01:43:05.480 Well, because they don't want us to operate in the spiritual warfare.

01:43:09.300 So like I said, we've taught this class, but Ed is now putting the Ed Mabry stamp on it and is making it very formal, very logical, very organized.

01:43:19.860 And that's what we're doing right now.

01:43:21.140 We're taking all the notes we had from the previous course and making them organized.

01:43:26.960 Along with a lot of new stuff and along with a lot of the work that John has done on mental health and, again, on knowing who you are, having resiliency.

01:43:36.480 And as I talked about, dealing with covenants that you may have entered into unknowingly with entities that are allowing them to oppress you.

01:43:45.660 You may say, I'm walking with Jesus.

01:43:47.260 Why am I still oppressed?

01:43:48.140 Well, because everything in the spiritual realm works under law.

01:43:52.200 God, Jehovah set up laws, and he is subject to his own laws. 0.96

01:43:56.660 He wouldn't be just if he didn't.

01:43:58.160 So there could be a covenant that you set up through your words, through your actions, that has given a spiritual entity rights over you.

01:44:05.880 But you have, through Jesus, the authority to go into those same courts and say, I repent of this.

01:44:11.780 We talked about repentance before.

01:44:13.120 And you have to tear up that contract.

01:44:14.980 But if you don't know it, then you're going to be under oppression.

01:44:17.380 That's just a sample.

01:44:18.420 There's so much we're going to get into in this course.

01:44:21.320 So it's going to be, again, 12 months.

01:44:22.980 It's going to be written material.

01:44:24.440 There are going to be videos.

01:44:25.340 And there's going to be live sessions with John and I where we're going to do live teaching where you can bring up your questions and your issues.

01:44:33.120 There are going to be quizzes.

01:44:33.900 It's going to be, it's going to be a complete course.

01:44:36.380 So this is, you know, considered a graduate level course in spiritual warfare.

01:44:41.260 It's not just, I'm going to bind this demon in the name of Jesus.

01:44:44.320 It's way, way more than that because a lot of the stuff is just performative and perfunctory.

01:44:49.260 No, we're going to teach you the actual communication guidelines that Jesus used, that the disciples used.

01:44:56.340 And they were casting out demons left and right because they had that authority through Jesus.

01:45:00.360 I mean, the first thing we say in the introduction is you are already victorious.

01:45:05.440 You already have this ability through Jesus.

01:45:08.700 So why are you oppressed?

01:45:10.700 Because you don't know how, no one has, no one's trained you.

01:45:12.960 I gave the analogy when John and I were talking before.

01:45:15.800 It's like, if you, if a 10 year old kid comes and attacks you, well, what are you going to do?

01:45:20.880 Are you going to pick him up and throw him somewhere?

01:45:22.240 He's a 10 year old kid.

01:45:23.580 But what if you didn't know you had that power and you just curl up into a ball and say, oh, have mercy on me. 0.99

01:45:28.760 Well, eventually that 10 year old kid is going to beat the crap out of you. 0.95

01:45:31.020 Not because he's stronger than you, but because you have taken a passive position and you don't understand your own power and you don't know how to use it. 0.99

01:45:38.700 We are going to show you that these demonic entities are the 10 year old kid.

01:45:43.180 And you have through Jesus, the authority to take him and toss him and get rid of him. 0.66

01:45:48.560 And yes, there are different levels.

01:45:49.780 There are demons are not as powerful as fallen angels, but you have power over all of them, including Satan himself.

01:45:55.920 The Nakash from the garden of Eden, you have power over him because Jesus did as well. 0.99

01:46:00.160 Now it's going to require different sorts of things that depend, different sorts of warfare tactics based on what you're dealing with.

01:46:07.380 And Jesus himself said when disciples couldn't cast a certain demon out, Jesus said, well, this kind only comes out through prayer and fasting, meaning you have to be even more pure.

01:46:15.320 That's just an example.

01:46:16.840 So, but we're going to take you through all of that and it'll help you.

01:46:21.180 It'll help your family.

01:46:22.140 It'll help anyone else who's oppressed.

01:46:23.660 And as John said, this will be your opportunity to obey the great commission.

01:46:27.320 Jesus said, go out into the world and make disciples of all men, teaching them the gospel.

01:46:32.380 The gospel is a toolkit in discipleship.

01:46:34.680 It's not the end all be all like John said, salvation is not the end goal.

01:46:39.280 Salvation is a part of it.

01:46:41.340 Then you have to make disciples of these people and you will be in once you're done with this course, you will be able to teach it to others.

01:46:48.160 And that is how you make a generative community.

01:46:50.340 And that's how we expand and grow.

01:46:52.200 That's what was going on in the, in the first century church, which is why they were able to do miracles because they were focused singularly on discipleship.

01:46:59.580 Why is our church so weak?

01:47:01.300 We're not discipleship.

01:47:02.900 We're not into discipleship.

01:47:04.140 We're just, Oh, you're saved.

01:47:04.860 Good.

01:47:05.160 Off you go.

01:47:06.500 And that's why our church is so weak.

01:47:08.240 The reason the church was so strong during the book of acts in the first century, because they were doing discipleship.

01:47:13.220 And they, so I trained you, I trained two people.

01:47:16.380 They trained two more.

01:47:17.600 They trained four.

01:47:18.720 They trained eight exponentially growing.

01:47:21.240 That's what our goal is, is to teach spiritual warfare.

01:47:24.700 And then you teach it to your community.

01:47:26.680 And now you have an army.

01:47:29.020 Because one thing John says that I just floors me every time I hear it, you know, people, we talk about the rapture back and forth and we know the rapture has to happen before the antichrist is revealed because the antichrist can't be revealed.

01:47:42.500 As long as there is one person in the body of Christ on the, in the world, that's how, that's how much power you have.

01:47:49.680 Paul himself says that you got to be, the Holy Spirit has to be taken out of the way.

01:47:54.620 Then will the man of sin been revealed.

01:47:56.580 That means if there was one Christian who was indwelled by the Holy Spirit, antichrist can't, can't manifest. 0.69

01:48:04.140 That's how much power we have, but we just don't use it.

01:48:06.960 And that's what we're going to teach you in this course.

01:48:09.240 So go to that.

01:48:10.220 When is it started?

01:48:12.640 We're aiming for early next year, Q1.

01:48:16.260 So we're, again, we're, we're putting the course together right now.

01:48:18.700 But what, what you can do right now is sign up for it.

01:48:20.900 No obligation.

01:48:21.580 You're just putting, giving us your contact information so that we, when we're ready, we can let you know, and you can, we'll tell you where to go to sign up for it.

01:48:29.380 Well, I don't know.

01:48:30.680 I mean, if you're going to be in Florida in March, Ed, and John, you're in Florida too.

01:48:36.440 I think we could, maybe you guys should do a live one.

01:48:39.780 Well, I mean, you know, you don't have to do the whole, but like some sort of a bridge version.

01:48:43.840 Well, one of them, they're going to do 12, right?

01:48:45.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:46.760 Do I, if you're here, you should come here too, and then you should do it there.

01:48:52.740 And then we should tell people, and then they can be in the audience, and then you should record it.

01:48:58.060 And then, yeah, we can, I think we can, let's work on making that happen.

01:49:01.520 We can do that.

01:49:02.340 We can make that happen.

01:49:03.180 That'd be really cool.

01:49:03.740 Amazing.

01:49:04.300 I think it should be, it's more powerful in person.

01:49:07.400 Yeah.

01:49:07.660 Especially when you're dealing with subjects like that.

01:49:09.880 And just to be clear, just to be clear, the sign-up is free, but there is a charge for the course because it's a lot of work that we're doing, and there's a lot of benefit to it.

01:49:19.720 Yeah.

01:49:19.920 So, you know, John and I are both, we both do consulting and coaching, and, you know, there's, that's, you know, part of what we do for a living.

01:49:26.800 So just, I just want to make that clear up front.

01:49:29.260 So what you're signing up for now is just to be notified, and then it's going to be, it's going to be a full course that you enroll in.

01:49:34.240 And just like any other education, there's, you know, you get what you pay for it.

01:49:38.800 I think, I think you're going to get far more value for your money than, than, yeah.

01:49:46.080 Actually, John had to convince me to charge more because he was like, no, no, no, they need, this is kind of.

01:49:49.960 Well, if you're doing a 12-part series, I mean, that's no small undertaking.

01:49:54.140 So, I mean, it's got, it's going to be a lot of time.

01:49:55.900 Yeah, look at this.

01:49:56.480 We have to cut this episode short because Ed has to leave.

01:49:59.020 Well, he has to make it so that I can't wait anymore.

01:50:01.440 Well, listen, no, because he has, because he has other work.

01:50:05.180 He said it.

01:50:05.760 He was like, I don't want to hang out anymore.

01:50:08.160 And I saw him saying that.

01:50:09.780 Well, listen, it is time to bring it in for a landing.

01:50:12.440 We're coming up on the two-hour mark.

01:50:14.000 Why don't we do this then?

01:50:14.800 We'll go around and we'll give everybody's plugs.

01:50:17.460 We'll start with you, Ed.

01:50:19.000 Okay.

01:50:20.740 Faithbyreason.net.

01:50:21.580 That's where you can get all my legacy information.

01:50:24.640 You can also get my entire Revelation series there.

01:50:26.800 It's up and available.

01:50:27.900 If you become a member, you can sign up for that spiritual warfare course.

01:50:31.280 Right there, front and center.

01:50:32.960 And Patreon is another place you can sign up where you also get bonus episodes.

01:50:38.000 You get content dropping there first.

01:50:39.500 You can be a part of the Bible study.

01:50:40.680 Is that Gavin Newsom up at the top there?

01:50:42.480 I think I feel like that's Joel Osteen.

01:50:44.260 Oh, that's Joel Osteen.

01:50:45.240 Okay.

01:50:45.980 Yes.

01:50:46.680 Actually, yes.

01:50:47.440 Same exact guy, honestly.

01:50:49.140 He was talking all the way to the right.

01:50:53.940 Yes, the Q&As and all that good stuff.

01:50:56.120 And yes, it's a pretty lively community.

01:50:59.220 And yeah, I love interacting with them there.

01:51:02.240 Awesome.

01:51:02.840 Awesome.

01:51:03.160 Okay, cool.

01:51:03.800 And John, where can people find your work?

01:51:06.700 ModelingGod.com is where my books on God and God's wills is at.

01:51:11.320 And then FlowSys.com, the course Instant Impact was the course that Jason took.

01:51:16.480 And that'll teach you how to flow.

01:51:18.460 So, okay, I've actually used, man, I wish I remembered what my intangible driver was.

01:51:25.340 But I remember reading it and being like, man, this is a really great, it's not a indicator.

01:51:31.380 Yeah, it's important to understand yourself.

01:51:35.460 And this is a good tool.

01:51:36.680 It's like a compass almost, right?

01:51:37.900 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:38.460 I don't want to call it a personality test because that's not, I don't think that that's accurate.

01:51:42.380 What would you call it?

01:51:43.500 I mean, the intangible driver.

01:51:45.080 It's your uniqueness, your mind and soul.

01:51:49.300 So a personality test is your behavior.

01:51:52.180 This is really your mind and soul, who you are and the pause of all your actions.

01:51:57.280 Right.

01:51:57.500 It's who you are outside of context.

01:51:58.780 All these personality tests, Myers-Briggs and those sorts of things, they tell you how you behave in certain contexts.

01:52:05.520 Like work is Myers-Briggs and what the other elements might be how you behave in other situations.

01:52:09.860 Your intangible driver is how you are without regard to context.

01:52:15.700 And it's Romans 12.

01:52:17.120 It's Romans 12.

01:52:18.140 There's seven.

01:52:19.220 And if you look at Romans 12, that's the spiritual gifts.

01:52:22.220 And I want to say one quick thing, because I meant to say this before, because I want to give people an example of flow that we're all familiar with.

01:52:26.500 You know, when you're driving home to your house, you're familiar with it, and you're in a conversation with someone or there's a good song on the radio, and you realize you're pulling in your driveway, and you're like, how did I get here without running into people and running stop signs?

01:52:42.880 I've been text messaging this whole time.

01:52:44.680 It's crazy.

01:52:47.480 It's not good.

01:52:48.700 God, that's true.

01:52:49.680 You guys don't even understand how true that is.

01:52:51.160 Yeah, you're in flow.

01:52:52.060 That is not good.

01:52:52.860 Yeah, but you're toggling back and forth.

01:52:56.220 You're conscious enough to not run into anyone, but you're unconscious is what's keeping you safe.

01:53:05.580 Or like when someone in basketball, when they're in the zone, they just can't miss a shot.

01:53:10.480 They're flowing.

01:53:11.520 A no-hitter.

01:53:12.140 You notice when someone is pitching a no-hitter, they put them by themselves.

01:53:15.740 No one talks to them, because they know that if they distract them, they're going to get out of flow.

01:53:19.740 They'll be all conscious.

01:53:21.040 Yeah.

01:53:21.440 There you go.

01:53:23.020 David works specifically on getting you out of the flow, on never letting you get there.

01:53:26.940 Oh, that's crazy.

01:53:27.480 Yeah, that's my – that's actually – when I'm in my flow state is when I'm distracting others from theirs.

01:53:32.780 Well, flow sets will teach you how to do that intentionally.

01:53:36.000 So if every athlete followed flow sets, they would always be in the zone.

01:53:40.820 Yep.

01:53:41.540 Very cool.

01:53:42.220 Very cool.

01:53:42.700 And Jason, where can people find you?

01:53:44.660 Well, first, I just want to thank you guys for having me on.

01:53:47.580 Again, I love your show.

01:53:48.820 And just to kind of wrap up this conversation, because there's a lot more we can get into.

01:53:55.140 But basically, you know, everything – like everything you guys talk about, I'm totally on board.

01:54:03.640 I'm going to be part of John's church, you know, like I meet all the people.

01:54:07.300 So – and I love Owen Benjamin, you know.

01:54:09.780 So, you know, he's not into the Trinity.

01:54:12.160 But, you know, at the end of the day, we're all really seeking truth.

01:54:16.580 And I think that we're all looking to better ourselves.

01:54:19.560 And he changes his mind.

01:54:21.240 I change my mind.

01:54:22.500 So I just want to – I love Christians.

01:54:24.560 And I don't want to – I'm not trying to bring anybody to Buddhism, just offer them something else.

01:54:30.520 And something I realized, like I said, the Buddhist people, like 95% of the Buddhists, maybe even more that I meet, are on the wrong side of every single issue. 1.00

01:54:40.500 Like they were the first ones to get vaxxed.

01:54:42.820 Like they literally are wrong on everything.

01:54:46.780 You know what I mean?

01:54:47.240 So that's why I made this shirt, by the way.

01:54:49.300 This is – Buddhas are truthers.

01:54:51.960 Yeah, I mean there was Christians that shut the doors on their churches.

01:54:56.000 That's what I mean.

01:54:56.960 So it's like who do you – so I would rather hang out with Christians. 1.00

01:55:00.440 Like so what I see coming is the revelation.

01:55:04.460 I see some crazy things happening with, you know, people plugging themselves into AI, marrying, having AI wives and husbands.

01:55:14.000 Like we're going to have –

01:55:14.720 That's 100% on the way.

01:55:16.400 Like we're going to have a split society.

01:55:18.320 And what I'm seeing is 80% of people are going to go – are going to be in these like 15-minute cities, smart cities.

01:55:24.700 And the other 20% of us, we're going to be growing food.

01:55:28.780 We're going to be doing our uniqueness.

01:55:31.040 And I think all the little things that we have arguments about, we're all going to know God's presence.

01:55:36.240 And we're going to be able – with those people out of the way, you know, like we're going to be able to really have like these amazing communities.

01:55:43.700 And so really excited.

01:55:45.280 I like an optimistic view.

01:55:48.420 It's not one that you get when people look into the near future.

01:55:51.440 Yeah, I'm like white-pilled and black-pilled.

01:55:53.980 And that's what the trick is.

01:55:55.840 Like if you think of it as the future, the world, everybody, you're going to be like how could this work out?

01:56:01.800 And if you realize that God is working to bring 80% of the people to these smart cities so then we have the rest of the world to actually do what's common sense, which we all know is common sense.

01:56:14.600 Why would we spray Roundup, the stuff that we know kills us, and they just keep losing lawsuits and – take care, Ed.

01:56:23.040 Yeah, so –

01:56:23.600 I'm sorry, guys.

01:56:23.940 I got to go.

01:56:24.680 I'm late for a meeting.

01:56:25.800 But we'll talk soon.

01:56:27.640 Great to see you, man.

01:56:28.280 See you later, man.

01:56:28.940 Thank you.

01:56:29.200 Talk to you later.

01:56:29.580 Yeah, it's – I'm very – I wasn't always optimistic.

01:56:33.240 Again, I'm a truther.

01:56:34.720 I mean I know I've gone so deep, but I really do feel that this is actually – God's working this, so we're going to have an amazing, amazing time ahead after about a year. 0.98

01:56:46.340 We need to – this next year is going to be crazy as fuck. 0.81

01:56:49.980 Yeah, we're going to go through it before it gets better. 0.98

01:56:53.160 But I mean, yeah, I believe that too.

01:56:54.620 It gets better.

01:56:55.000 I really see also how – again, you could see – I don't want to say they, the Illuminati.

01:56:59.340 Again, I know how deep it goes.

01:57:01.240 I just see it as God, like John was saying.

01:57:03.060 God's more powerful.

01:57:04.320 But it's just brilliant how they had everybody divided on Trump and not Trump.

01:57:08.740 And then it's – on October 10th, like three days after October 7th, I already saw what was going on.

01:57:14.760 They split it.

01:57:16.040 They have all the algorithms.

01:57:17.660 They have access to all of our data.

01:57:20.800 And they knew the Israel issue would be the way to split us into four. 0.78

01:57:25.400 So instead of just Trump, anti-Trump, now we have Trump, pro-Israel, Republican, pro-Israel, and anti-Israel.

01:57:33.100 And then left – so we're now in four different categories.

01:57:37.100 And so we got this year.

01:57:38.360 But again, I think this is all God's plan to actually bring like what we all know is common sense.

01:57:44.860 And that's what the conscious mind is.

01:57:47.320 Like you have these people, like people we know, like they're seeing what we're seeing.

01:57:52.960 Well, they're not seeing what we're seeing.

01:57:54.280 We're seeing every – all this crazy stuff.

01:57:56.740 And you could show them the truth and they just – they can't see it because they're unconscious.

01:58:01.660 So what John and I are doing is we want to make people more conscious.

01:58:06.060 So embodiment.com, if you go there, put your email in.

01:58:10.080 John's a busy guy.

01:58:11.100 He's doing this thing with Ed.

01:58:12.320 He's doing this thing with me and he's doing 100 other more things.

01:58:15.040 But yeah.

01:58:16.360 Embodiment?

01:58:17.020 How is that spelled?

01:58:18.360 Yeah, B-O-D-H-I-M-E-N-T. 1.00

01:58:21.780 Bodie, again, just means conscious, awakened wisdom, awakened minds, mindfulness.

01:58:26.880 So yeah, there's me and John.

01:58:28.840 And so through journaling – John's been journaling for 40 years.

01:58:32.880 Journaling is an amazing – I don't know if you guys do it, but it connects your conscious and your unconscious minds.

01:58:38.160 Like your unconscious is – God speaks through your unconscious, right?

01:58:44.940 So your unconscious has all of your memories.

01:58:48.520 It knows what to do, right?

01:58:51.560 So we need to just learn how to listen to it better.

01:58:54.580 And it doesn't speak – it speaks in a quiet voice.

01:58:57.980 So it's kind of like just training ourselves.

01:59:02.740 Everything that we do in Buddhism, everything that John does is improv.

01:59:07.080 John makes games.

01:59:08.440 You know, all of this is ways to get the unconscious because that's – and that's – when you're in it, you feel like blissful and flow.

01:59:15.840 You don't – it's the opposite of feeling possessed.

01:59:19.620 And that's – one more time, can you spell that?

01:59:21.980 Sorry, embodiment.

01:59:23.540 It's embodiment with an H after the D.

01:59:26.820 E-M-B-O-H-I-M-E-N-T. 1.00

01:59:30.200 And yeah, just look me up, Jason Demchuk, on Instagram.

01:59:34.480 And yeah, we'd love to connect with you guys.

01:59:36.820 Awesome.

01:59:37.280 Awesome, man.

01:59:37.940 All right.

01:59:39.280 Guys, thank you again for coming out.

01:59:41.900 It's always fun talking to you, John.

01:59:43.220 It's nice to meet you, Jason.

01:59:45.020 This was a fun – this was a different kind of episode.

01:59:47.560 I enjoyed it.

01:59:48.440 I thought we were able to like – hopefully we didn't like – I don't know.

01:59:53.940 I think we drew a lot of overlap and some value out of it, yeah.

01:59:57.440 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:58.580 But once again, man, thanks for coming on.

02:00:00.760 And guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply.

02:00:05.020 We'll see you later.

02:00:05.800 Peace.

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Nephilim Death Squad - November 17, 2025

The Luciferian Buddhism Deception, and Spiritual Warfare

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