In this episode of Keenum in Context, we have a fun interview with the hosts of the show "Nephilim Death Squad" and their co-host Matt. They talk about a variety of topics and topics related to the life of Noah and the story of the Garden of Salvation.
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00:27:20.620As much though as, as like you kind of say, like it was, yeah, sure.
00:27:23.440It was a conscious decision to try to be a better ambassador of Christ, you know,
00:27:28.060to be a better representation of Christianity.
00:27:29.780It kind of was less that and more, in my opinion, that if you earnestly seek God and you and you communicate with him and you ask, he works in your life.
00:27:39.760And like the way that I've described it is like things that I thought were going to be painful to let go of.
00:27:46.200They don't come off at once and they kind of fall off as you start moving.
00:27:51.320It was super painful when we're like, we have set up and just kicking against the pricks the entire time.
00:27:55.900We're like, we're setting up a studio here in this place.
00:27:58.600And it's great because it's above a coffee shop and we can, you know, have our guests come in, have a coffee, go upstairs and interview them.
00:28:29.400So now after that, we're not only do we have this live thing where audience members will come and see us, but Matt now does a show on our, on our channel called Straight Bible, which is like, we wanted to add something to what we do.
00:28:42.800I do want to give some flowers to Matt.
00:28:45.200He has an unbelievable ability to help people like me, which maybe are the illiterate, understand scripture in a way where I wasn't able to before.
00:29:06.000I mean, like I said, we, we're taking conspiracy theorists in who are Bible curious.
00:29:11.740A lot of people are already there, but this is, you know, to, to be able to give that back, like, okay, God has helped us build this thing without God.
00:29:20.940We wouldn't be able to build this thing.
00:29:22.740Now we get to share his word with people.
00:29:27.760But, um, I don't know if Top could have done it, but he wasn't, you know, it was like when we found Matt, he, he filled a need in a, in a really huge way.
00:29:36.460And also we, we sort of filled a need.
00:29:38.340He's been doing Straight Bible in his bed, in your bedroom, right?
00:30:24.120Like we're doing episodes now on, uh, we're doing a series on the sermon on the Mount.
00:30:27.960So it's like, it's not necessarily like first thing in the morning.
00:30:30.760I'm like, Hey Lord, it's just me and you.
00:30:32.400We're talking about anything we want it.
00:30:34.620Now it's kind of shifted a little bit more to like, all right, I'm working through this series on sermon on the Mount, which it just is what it is.
00:30:39.820I just think there's different phases in life, you know?
00:30:45.960That's, that's, it sounds like a wonderful, uh, you know, divinely appointed little setup that, that God put you guys together.
00:30:50.840So what, how do you guys handle in your studies and your shows?
00:30:54.940Um, the concept of, you know, like what's generally called pseudepigraphal deuterocanonical books, like the, the books that I know we have, uh, the Western tradition is 66 books.
00:31:07.360But a lot of times I hear you guys talking about content from books outside of those 66, uh, Matt, are you okay with that?
00:31:15.460Do you, is that part of your studies as well?
00:31:17.020How do you guys as a three, uh, as a, as a group, it's not, I mean, I'd say kicking and screaming, but no, go ahead.
00:31:24.200No, I'm just saying it's not really my jam.
00:31:48.640I studied it for many years cause I was kind of intrigued in a, in a, like, you know, you know, razor eyebrow, like the rock kind of intrigued, you know, like, like, wait a minute.
00:32:09.360Um, it just, and there was some dates and names and places that I wasn't seeing line up with Genesis.
00:32:14.920And so I did some further in research and I don't know if you guys have ever seen any of our previous content on our channel, but for years, me and some other buddies, we do a show called honor of Kings.
00:32:23.660And we investigate the manuscript chain of custody history, as well as the theological claims from these pseudepigraphal books.
00:32:29.960And our, our investigation of Jasher got, got the thumbs down, um, because it looks to be tracing back just to a Talmudic rabbinic literature from the second century AD with no earlier manuscript chain of custody before that.
00:32:44.320And there's so many theological contradictions with the actual canon of 66, you know, we, we're not like an official counselor or nothing, but like, uh, we don't, we don't grave any credence to the old school councils anyway.
00:32:55.380Cause those are just a bunch of men that got together as well.
00:32:57.680So, but we, we ended up giving it the thumbs down because we were like, man, it's just so many things that don't line up in here.
00:33:05.020It's making sensational claims that seem to be even more sensational than you read in the book of Enoch.
00:33:10.160And you're like, why, what other Christian communities throughout time ever included this?
00:33:14.700And you find out none of them ever did.
00:33:16.400And then you're like, oh, this is interesting.
00:33:17.920But, um, but things like Enoch and Jubilees and the Testament 12 patriarchs, there is an interesting history with those three.
00:33:24.140And all three of those works of literature, like thematically and theologically, all are congruent with the 66 and with each other.
00:33:31.660And so that's what, um, we, we do pull from those a lot on our videos and our studies of the Nephilim and the watchers that rebelled.
00:33:39.420And, you know, some of the concepts that we feel give us, give us extra details.
00:33:43.760So for example, like if I was back in the days, you know, if I was like in the first century AD, um, I would be asking questions like, why is Jude quoting from first Enoch chapter one?
00:33:58.440And I've had people come back to me and say, well, well, Paul quoted from Greek sex poets.
00:34:02.660You can't just say, you can't just take everything they quote from.
00:34:04.880I'm like, no, no, Jude is actually teaching theology by quoting this.
00:34:08.700He's actually teaching about the second coming of Christ by quoting this, right.
00:34:12.300Which, which Christ is all through the book of Enoch.
00:34:14.120So it's, it's a fascinating, uh, concept.
00:34:17.000Then I found out around the first, the end of the first century AD into the turn of the second century, there was a specific rabbi named Rabbi Akiva.
00:34:24.600And he was the one that decided to quote unquote, close the Jewish canon.
00:34:29.080And what he did was he took books like Enoch and Jubilees and he didn't call them heretical or he didn't even call them pseudepigraphal.
00:34:37.040He just said, these are sacred writings, but I don't want the average person reading them.
00:34:41.880So we're going to leave them out of the canon.
00:34:43.040And they, and he referred to them as what's called the left out books or the outside books.
00:34:48.200So there's an interesting modern day scholar.
00:34:50.720Um, her name is, uh, she's like the head of the Hebrew university in Israel today.
00:34:54.520Her name is, um, I'm going blank on her name.
00:34:57.020My, my, uh, my audience knows guys put it in the live chat.
00:35:03.460Uh, gosh, I can't, I'm going blank on her name, but she doesn't, she did a whole speech, like this very controversial speech, um, from her position as, uh, emeritus of the dead.
00:35:13.040Dead Sea Scrolls, uh, professor emeritus of the Dead Sea Scrolls and research into this, this time period, the concept of this, uh, Hebrew history and the Hebrew literature.
00:35:22.320And in her speech, this was like in 2016, I believe she basically said to all Rachel Eliar.
00:35:32.840She said, um, basically like there was a very unique shift in early Judaism and first century to second century AD to where they started leaving out books.
00:35:42.600Like Enoch Jubilees and the Testament of the Patriarchs.
00:35:45.320And that's why Christian communities still put them in some of their canons, but yet the Jewish canon closed off and didn't keep them because of this rabbinic decision.
00:35:54.700So like Enoch, do you have the idea what that rabbinic decision would have been like?
00:36:00.360I mean, cause it sounds awfully nefarious, right?
00:36:02.260We're going to keep the average person from having access to that.
00:36:04.560What was the, the conventional explanation of that?
00:36:06.720The idea, the, the, the commonly stated accusation was that the average person is not wise enough to read these.
00:36:13.920Oh, it's going to cause too much problems with understanding.
00:36:17.760And it's too difficult to explain it and all that.
00:36:19.460It's basically them saying we're extremely lazy teachers and we don't want to go through the details with these people.
00:36:24.180Um, but the more nefarious suspicion of it from scholars is that these books pointed towards fulfillment of prophecy for Christ and Judaism was clamping down because Christ was growing like wildfire and all in disciples of Christ was growing like wildfire.
00:36:38.640This is why during around that same time, they made a final decree to kick all Christians out of the synagogues as well.
00:36:43.700And so, um, but going then starting from that point forward into Christian history, you start to see like the Ethiopian church did include Enoch and Jubilees.
00:36:52.780And then the Armenian church later included the Testament of 12 patriarchs, which also talks about the days of Enoch and giants and rebellious angels and taking women and wives and all that kind of stuff.
00:37:02.120And so it's fascinating to me because fourth century AD, here comes this, this guy named Augustine, which I'm, you know, I'm, I'm the least fan of Augustine.
00:37:11.900Like of all the church fathers, I think he was a problem.
00:37:13.680I think he should have been taken out bat and beaked with lashes.
00:37:16.180That dude should have been like removed from the public discourse.
00:37:18.900He just caused a whole bunch of theological issues.
00:37:21.040And he's the one who started this narrative that you hear from some churches about the sons of Seth.
00:37:26.220He's the one who started this narrative because he, he did not like a literal spiritual interaction of spiritual beings with the earth because he came from a previous Manichaean background, which is a Gnostic philosophy background.
00:37:39.500The Gnostic philosophy doesn't believe the spiritual world can interact with the physical world.
00:37:42.800And so he didn't like what Genesis six was saying, very clearly saying he didn't like the idea that Job wanted to identify the sons of God and not sons of Seth or none of that.
00:37:54.940And so he creates this other narrative to reinterpret it in the same way he tried to reinterpret the story to Adam and Eve.
00:38:02.320That wasn't literal, completely ignoring the genealogical record of Genesis five, Genesis 11 and Matthew, you know, so like, so he has some issues, you know, I do a deep dive study on my channel with the church fathers and stuff.
00:38:13.920And he had some issues, but that picked up over time.
00:38:17.580And now you see it most prominently taught from the Southern Baptist Association and the Southern Baptist seminaries, the sons of Seth theory.
00:38:25.660And we actually, we interviewed a Baptist pastor and yeah, it was the crux of the argument or the interview was basically sons of Seth versus Elohim.
00:38:36.640And he just had based his reasoning was like, yeah, I just don't believe that.
00:38:40.420And that was it. It was just, I disagree.
00:38:41.620I was like, well, look at the translation here. Look at Psalm 81. Look at this, look at this.
00:38:44.840And he's just like, yeah, I disagree. And I was like, all right, cool. We'll just move on.
00:38:47.840He's mostly concerned about gay people not being able to be redeemed.
00:38:51.060That was his. Yeah, that was his whole back.
00:39:28.600They, they use the same phrase for, uh, in Jude 10, when they're talking about brute beasts, uh, that they, they know naturally as brute beasts and those things, they corrupt themselves.
00:39:39.260But when Josephus uses brute beasts, he's talking about, uh, like animal human hybrids kind of stuff.
00:39:46.820And it just leaves me to wonder, I don't know much about Josephus or the veracity of his writings, but people claim that he has some of the best historical context of the things that happened within the new Testament.
00:39:58.180Cause he's writing, we've got them in the J section here.
00:40:01.260I don't, I don't read much of Josephus.
00:40:02.860I read a little bit, but we've got them in the J section.
00:40:05.220I forget which, which book it was, uh, it's got a main book.
00:40:09.120Do you know anything about this though?
00:40:10.840I've, I've heard interpretations from revelation along that line where they take the first and second beast and they try to say, well, references to the first beast, uh, implies within the Greek and implies some sort of hybrid, some sort of, uh, mixture, uh, creature versus.
00:40:26.680So like in the book of Enoch, the, um, the usage of the word beast is for a person who's lawless, basically someone who's rejected God and is living lawlessly.
00:40:35.840And then the, the concept of a person like in the allegory in first Enoch, the allegory of all the animals, it's like the original animal, animal farm, uh, George Orwell, you absolute plagiarist.
00:40:45.880Um, he basically like, he basically, it's like the, the animals become men once they trust God and start walking with God in this allegory in, in Enoch, whereas the beasts who reject God, they're considered beasts who are lawless.
00:41:00.960And so some people will take that for like a Daniel translation when it talks about a man of lawlessness or the lawless and then the second Thessalonians.
00:41:08.000And then I've heard other people try to infer that it's a different Greek word used in revelation for the first beast to imply some sort of hybrid.
00:41:14.920So I just, I've just never found definitive like studies to prove one right or the other.
00:41:21.580Cause this, we, we, on straight Bible, we did a, well, a read through the, not a read through, a pretty thorough dissecting of the book of Jude.
00:41:29.040And that one, uh, verse 10 always stood out to me.
00:41:31.700I'm like, that's not, it doesn't sit right.
00:41:33.180Like the, the vocabulary in it never, uh, sat right with me.
00:41:37.780Like I, I've always looked back at it and said, what do you, what do you mean by that?
00:41:43.400Yeah, it is like, especially, why'd you guys, what'd you guys handle or how'd you, how'd you handle, how'd you come to a conclusion on when Jude mentions, uh, Satan and Satan and Michael arguing over the body of Moses, which is from the Testament of Moses.
00:42:06.060I've never read the Testament of Moses, but it was just like, I don't, I don't know.
00:42:10.220It's like the more intriguing thing is like, why did they argue over it?
00:42:13.320Does the, does the Testament of Moses get into that, Sean?
00:42:15.980It supposedly has the story that it doesn't say the why, but just, it just is the reference that Jude gives if they were arguing over the body.
00:42:23.100Now I could just in my own imagination, come up with a ton of reasons why Satan would want that body.
00:42:27.480And when the full people, you know, claim he resurrected or build an image to his likeness and have people worship it, you know, as if modern day Judaism doesn't already worship Moses.
00:42:36.040But, but, but the point is like, I can imagine a ton of reasons why it would, but it just doesn't definitively say.
00:43:17.060What, for, first of all, I would say that anyone that's making an idol to Moses hasn't read the Bible and they're just clearly adopting their bad mentality and trying to honor Moses.
00:43:30.120But secondly, the horn concept that they would put on certain statues was to signify rulership.
00:43:36.180So this is why, like, you know, you, um, this is why, in my opinion, Daniel is making such a do about the little horn that's being referenced because he's the one who actually is the most important to look at, even though he's got a little horn because he is a ruler who others who's, who's taking over other kingdoms and nations.
00:43:57.660I was just going to say, but that concept of, uh, you know, worshiping like something good, like we already have that, uh, you know, the, uh, serpent.
00:44:06.440Made a brass that Moses put on a pole.
00:44:08.500Like we have that story where he did that.
00:44:10.260And anyone who looked upon it would be saved.
00:44:12.120And then you get into like, it must be one Kings or two Kings or one or two Chronicles somewhere in there that they were worshiping it.
00:44:18.460Now that Israel was worshiping that actual pole.
00:44:21.500Uh, and then was it Hezekiah that said, called it Nehusiastan.
00:45:14.220Well, I mean, guys, this is this, this is like mankind.
00:45:17.080This is what the unclean spirits influence mankind to, to behave as.
00:45:19.920I mean, we've got dudes praying to a wall in Israel and you've got, you've got Muslims walking circles around a box and playing to, praying to a black stone.
00:45:40.360So not only do we have a first mention of an X 19, but there was a Roman emperor in the third century AD.
00:45:46.140His name was El Gabala and he was from Syria and he actually came, became a Roman emperor and tried to force out Zeus or Jupiter worship and replace it with the Syrian sun.
00:45:56.400God, El Gabala's whom El Gabala was the guy's name who became emperor.
00:46:01.680And he was the high priest to the God, El Gabala's the Syrian sun.
00:46:20.960Every summer he had a parade with the black stone on a cart that he carried through the city and, and that worshiped the black stone.
00:46:27.820And he brought that there was a temple to that black stone in Syria, which, which, um, was an Arab settlement.
00:46:34.680Anyway, there's a whole history there.
00:46:36.200There's a whole history of that stupid black stone.
00:46:38.280And, and this is where, um, people literally are worshiping rocks.
00:46:42.080Like this is what the unclean spirits will cause you to devolve into.
00:46:45.400It's absolute, uh, profound stupidity, you know, where you're worshiping a rock.
00:46:50.040It's a weird time because right now you have, uh, uh, Candace Owens and, and Nick Fuentes, right?
00:46:55.520They're like these big kind of characters that aren't necessarily in our space like this kind.
00:47:00.740I mean, they're, they're within Catholicism, they're not in conspiracy, but they've been going in that direction lately.
00:47:06.320And, you know, not only has, uh, Candace Owens been kind of introducing people to the idea of like, uh, astral projection and, and, uh, reptilians, time travel, et cetera, which I, I'm curious more so less about those topics and more so about the audience that that's reaching now.
00:47:21.820Who wasn't really getting that before.
00:47:23.700And, um, I saw Nick Fuentes talking about, you know, the rock and, and how, well, the, you know, the, the Muslims were taught by Satan that this is a representation of the black cube of Saturn.
00:47:37.280That's like, Hey, he goes, how did the, how did the Muslims know that there was a hexagonal storm on Saturn's North pole?
00:47:46.680And look, I mean, if you want to hash out the details of it, that's one thing.
00:47:50.740And it's more fascinating to me, the, the audience that this information is reaching, it feels like we're in this time where like knowledge that's, it's a cold knowledge.
00:48:11.420You get in there to have this, you know, political point of view.
00:48:14.320And all of a sudden they're serving you up this esoteric knowledge.
00:48:17.100And, you know, everything is just in such flux right now with, you have UAP disclosure, whether or not that's going to happen.
00:48:23.660And, and, you know, these Epstein files, it's like all at once, if you want to use, you could use the analogy of a veil getting pulled back.
00:48:32.480And I don't know if that's such a great thing because I think the vast majority of people are unequipped to understand these things.
00:48:39.260And I'm not saying that I understand them.
00:48:40.400I'm just saying there is a real danger with misunderstanding these things or leaning on your own understanding and coming to the wrong conclusions on these matters.
00:48:49.400That was, uh, I guess that's a bit of our crux of argument with Alvarino at the time.
00:48:55.960Uh, it, it wasn't so much about any of the points he's bringing forward, but more about why are you not constantly leaning back or the whistleblowers that you're talking to?
00:49:08.440They're not approaching this research through the lens of Jesus Christ.
00:49:12.220And, you know, the answers that we got back from him were, I I'd say largely unsatisfactory, but I don't even know, I don't want to control your show and like steer it in a weird direction.
00:49:21.400No, but I understand what you're saying.
00:49:25.280I heard Candace talking about how she was relaying a conversation she had with Charlie about how they both astral projected and didn't know what it was and that kind of stuff.
00:49:34.320And I'm, and I'm sitting there going like, why isn't whoever, cause I believe Candace has become Catholic.
00:49:39.840So like whoever is her Bishop needs to sit down with her and start to explain to her, Hey, you know, if this is something you did experience previous in your life, this is not something we want to promote now.
00:49:49.920Because this is definitely not, not something we want to be teaching Christians that is, should be normal, be thought of as normal.
00:49:55.240So, um, so yeah, I think that there's, um, I, I just don't know how, how involved when people say they become Catholic, I don't know how involved they are with their bishops or priests or whatever for counseling guidance, you know, I don't know their structure.
00:50:07.660Um, but I think it's interesting about the overload of information that you're talking about, especially like with the Epstein files.
00:50:12.940It reminds me of a, of a quote from George Orwell's 1984, by the way, I know it's not scripture, but I love that book.
00:50:18.560Um, because I, it was like one of the first books that I read as a kid that really impacted me, but there's a quote he says in here when he's trying to like,
00:50:25.220dissect and explain, uh, the, the, the overflow of knowledge leading to less sanity.
00:50:57.640And in fact, as you grasp to understand, because we're not going to give you the context, we're not going to give you the connecting details that make it make sense.
00:51:04.680And so as you grasp for understanding with all this overload of info, you're going to sound crazy.
00:51:10.540And meanwhile, they just push their own narrative.
00:51:12.100Well, that's the thing that I'm, I'm worried.
00:51:14.840So, you know, that great, uh, context that you're talking about, that great connective tissue for me was Jesus Christ.
00:51:20.360It was the thing that pulled all of these conspiratorial elements into a frame that, that made a lot more sense.
00:51:25.720Um, and I wonder for all these people who aren't grounded in Christ now, there's, there's, there's one form of, let's say, following Christ where you lack still the framework to incorporate this into it.
00:51:39.720And then it throws your faith into flux.
00:51:41.480And, and that's something that I'm concerned about, you know, um, during this time, the, the, the new age points to this time where there's going to be a consolidation of religions, a falling away from Christianity and the multitudes of religion, and then an adherence to one conglomerative, uh, religion that's typically under some sort of what alien presence or something.
00:51:59.820And I think it's fascinating that we're on the, on the cusp of that right now.
00:52:02.700I also think it's fascinating that 1948 was written, well, it's written between 1945 released in 1948, bulk of the work done in 19, 1948 and, uh, 1947 to 1950 is a really interesting time period for America.
00:52:17.900When we're talking about all of these things, the conspiracy writ large, everything in the Epstein files was kind of developed.
00:52:24.800And I mean, from our knowledge from 1947 on, that's when you have scrolls is that time period.
00:52:30.520It isn't, that's the implementation of Israel, you name it, whatever the, the Truman doctrine, everything happened at that time period.
00:52:39.220It's, yeah, it's a weird, it's a weird time.
00:52:41.360But the other thing that, uh, concerns me, you know, obviously, right.
00:52:44.800Like you said, with more information, it's, it's, it's not exactly wisdom, uh, and understanding that comes with it.
00:52:50.360It's, it's, it's more confusion typically.
00:52:52.480And I think if you're going through this whole conspiracy Avenue, as I have for a long time, if you're not constantly allowing yourself to admit that you don't know anything, because every time something is revealed to you, it's only a revelation of how much you didn't understand previously.
00:53:08.240Therefore, you're probably in a constant state of not understanding the whole picture.
00:53:12.660If you can stay grounded in that and not lean on your own intellect and not imagine that you know beyond what the average person does, then you might be able to have some sanity through this.
00:53:22.040If not, if you begin to believe that your own intellect can carry you to the finish line, I do really believe that that's what leads to madness.
00:53:29.000But what happens when you have a revelation that not only causes confusion, but it causes, um, this spiritual negativity to fall upon you.
00:53:39.160In other words, we're showing to you the horrors of mankind, which by the way, is that's the world, right?
00:54:24.160If you're not grounded in Christ in a real meaningful way, and you're going through this, the, the information overload creates that madness and the, the, the spiritual heaviness of all this.
00:54:36.740I mean, I don't think that, um, people say they want the Epstein files and I'm not saying that you shouldn't know the truth, but I'm just saying, if you're not grounded in Christ and if you've not been aware of this for some time, I was blessed to have come upon these, these elements when there wasn't like a real sense of urgency.
00:54:56.560I would not want to find it all out at once.
00:55:02.100Well, even in the occult, they, that's why they have, you know, the, the degrees, right?
00:55:06.560The degrees of knowledge that they teach.
00:55:08.260And then within their initiation ritual, you, you learn by degree because they know the average initiate can't handle all of it.
00:55:14.240By the way, guys, did you know, I don't know how often you guys delve into the Septuagint translation, but there's actually in Deuteronomy 23, 17 and the Septuagint.
00:55:23.400And it actually mentions initiates, which I thought was fascinating.
00:55:28.540So, um, it basically just, it, like the Masoretic text, which is the most predominant text.
00:55:33.080Most, most, most of us read in English.
00:55:35.520Um, it, it says, uh, you know, do not let your sons or daughters become prostitutes and, uh, do not let your men be, um, what does it say?
00:55:42.360I think you don't know what the sons of Israel.
00:55:45.860Let me just go ahead and read it real quick, but it's, um, it's fascinating because it completely leaves this part out, but you have to read the Septuagint to see.
00:55:56.460And, um, and I do believe it's talking about the secret initiation cults.
00:56:01.180Um, so it says in the Masoretic, no, no daughter or son of Israel is to be a shrine prostitute.
00:56:05.540And that's all it says, just that one line.
00:56:07.800But if you look at the Masoretic, it says, um, it says there shall not be a harlot of the daughters of Israel and there shall not be a fornicator of the sons of Israel.
00:56:18.380And there shall not be an idolatrous of the daughters of Israel.
00:56:21.260And they're not, and there shall not be an initiated person of the sons of Israel.
00:56:26.980Well, what, what do we learn from Jamie Dyer about, about the, the females in the, in these temples and these pagan temples, they're like prostitutes, but they're also almost like priests.
00:56:36.240There's like a weird overlapping of, uh, idols here.
00:56:39.800And then you, you just said fornication as well, which is a word that I was trying to explain to Matt poorly that fornication doesn't, doesn't necessarily mean, uh, sex outside of marriage.
00:56:49.740It's speaking of a spiritual sexual sin, which is the, I mean, read the Epstein files.
00:56:54.500It seems like what they, what the elite, it was a part of their, I'm going to address what you're saying.
00:56:59.960Plus the question in the comments here, it's a part of the, the ancient idol ritual, ritual worship, which was, it wasn't just simply, they brought a vow offering of grain or a lamb or something.
00:57:08.720They did those two, but then after they gave their offering to that God, they engaged in libations and usually drug use.
00:57:15.540And then some sort of sexual activity, whether it was with the male or female prostitute, whether it was an orgy in the back room or whether it was eating or drinking children's blood or sacrificing their own child for, for prosperity.
00:57:26.160So like it was, the whole thing was nasty, but many of them, they had a, a, a ritual called leaping over the threshold.
00:57:33.060And you see this mentioned in, uh, I think it's, um, I want to say it's in either first Kings or, or first Chronicles, but there's a, or maybe it's Isaiah.
00:57:42.500I can't remember the exact address right now, but, uh, there's a, there's an ancient concept about leaping over the threshold.
00:57:48.100And that was a part of the initiation into the cults.
00:57:50.660And I don't know how much study you guys have done on Freemasons, but that is literally their first and second steps to be initiated as a Freemason is they claim that once you step over the threshold into their Masonic temple, you are agreeing to all the things that you're about to be initiated into.
00:58:06.140I think there's something like that tied in with, was it with Dagon because they took the, uh, was when they took the Ark of the covenant back, they put it in the same, uh, section with Dagon, the fish head and then boom, he fell over.
00:58:18.800It's interesting though, because in the spiritual realm, everything is based off of consent, but you give consent, dude.
00:58:24.100But another thing I did kind of want to, uh, go back to a little bit though, we're talking about like all this release of this stuff and all this information and this overload of information in Psalms one, it talks about like, um, the council of the ungodly.
00:58:36.260And I just think we live in a day and a time where we just all have to be so mindful about the council of the ungodly.
00:58:41.700Cause it's not necessarily what you would call like good or bad council, right?
00:58:45.460Like you, but you just have all these dudes, it could be Joe Rogan.
00:58:51.800If you're into that kind of thing or, uh, Goggins or Cam Haynes, it could be these dudes.
00:58:56.260It's like good, maybe it's good for your life or whatever, but it's still the council of the ungodly.
00:59:00.640And we just have to be mindful of like balancing that out with like the council of God.
00:59:04.960Like that's the main thing right now is as we're all this information is just being downloaded on everybody, just like keeping it in the context of the word of God.
00:59:13.160And this is why we keep Matt on the third seat because we will spin off into crazy and it's so easy to do if you don't have this, uh, this firm foundation or this center stone that you can go.
00:59:27.860Like we can touch the edges a little bit, but man, don't go too far and make sure you get back to, to stasis.
00:59:33.960You know, with this release though, I don't think that they, they necessarily want people to be uninitiated.
00:59:40.840I think that they are making great efforts to initiate the public.
00:59:45.260It seems like a lot of what they hope to do in the occult or let's say even within the intelligence agencies and their operations, like MKUltra and things like that.
00:59:55.500And so what you see happening in, in, let's say a Masonic lodge or what you see happening in, uh, in an intelligence agency, you know, uh, sterile laboratory environment, they do hope to implement that at scale, you know, to the masses.
01:00:12.180And I think that with the, with the ritual that, that, uh, allows you to sort of like, they use Jacob's ladder as their analogy for climbing the rungs of ladder.
01:00:20.640And this is, uh, you know, each one represents a new level of gnosis.
01:00:25.040Um, they do that to us, but they do it through media mostly.
01:00:30.060I would say now they do it through like, yeah, the Superbowl is a great example, large traumatic events, right.
01:00:35.620Could be a trauma sort of loose harvesting thing.
01:00:38.920But I also think, you know, the, the, the, the twin towers, for example, representing like the divine feminine and the divine masculine, you know, they, they become eliminated.
01:00:47.980And then what is erected instead is, is one tower, this joining of the, the genders.
01:00:52.100It also is a, is a multitude of other things like most things in ritual are, but it's, it's, we're subjected to it at scale.
01:01:00.000So yeah, the Superbowl, you might be exposed to like, let's say the last Superbowl, they did a quite a bit of like divine feminine symbolism, right.
01:01:08.260And, and it goes over the vast majority of people's heads.
01:01:13.020Um, that goes back to the Deuteronomy, uh, in the Septuagint that you're pointing at this, uh, the idea of prostitution in the temple is worship of the divine feminine.
01:01:21.140It kind of always goes back to Isis, or I forget the other names of the gods that were being deified in these temples.
01:01:27.160Astartes was the female, uh, fertility God.
01:01:31.540So with oftentimes worshiped alongside on bail or, or, or L the,
01:01:36.500It's funny too, because these, uh, these divine feminine kind of, you know, goddess, uh, archetypes, what they typically will, you know, it's, it espouses a female liberation.
01:01:47.280But when you look around, there's like prostitution and sex slavery and everything.
01:01:50.180And it's, it's funny how those things go hand in hand, because if the same thing happens in the West now, what you think is like the, the height of the, the feminist movement and, and this, you know, divine feminine female liberation thing often results in some sort of, uh, you know, sex trafficking, prostitution.
01:02:07.640And these things are, are, uh, presented in some ways as like sexual liberation.
01:02:13.140The, the language of things is almost like spellcasting, which is really what the Exodus 32 chapter that we broke down, uh, last week or the week before, like Moses comes down the mountain and they got the golden calf.
01:02:23.300And then it says that they're like, and the King James, I think it says that they're like, uh, eating and, uh, dancing and playing something to that extent.
01:02:30.180Sean could probably understand that a little bit more than we do.
01:02:40.380They, they did worship bill a hundred percent.
01:02:42.060Now there's a, you know, I, I'm what you would, many people would class me as what you would call tour observance just because I, I try to observe the Sabbath and eat clean.
01:03:25.040If she's doing a feast last Friday, other than just the weekly Sabbath, because, because Leviticus 23 calls both the weekly Sabbath plus all the yearly feasts.
01:03:32.680It calls them all feasts of God and holy convocations.
01:03:35.760But, um, but basically like I, uh, in, in that community of people that, you know, would be classified as that, um, they often, um, I've just went blank.
01:04:03.300So there's a, there's a, some prominent Torah based ministries that for about a decade or more have taught a different interpretation of Exodus 32.
01:04:11.480And we, we strongly disagree with it because like, I do a lot of historical research on these false gods and the golden calendar.
01:04:19.240The cap that they built at the base of Mount Sinai, Exodus 32 is another representation of the Apis pool.
01:04:25.540It's another representation of Baal that Egypt did worship Baal.
01:04:29.260There's an entire, it's Exodus 14, Baal's a fawn.
01:04:31.760There was an entire temple, um, on top of the mountain overlooking the, the place of the red cross, the red sea crossing.
02:10:48.920He said, where they thought it was in Florida and all that stuff.
02:10:50.880And so the people are thinking it's the garden of Eden still on the earth somewhere.
02:10:53.500It's just been, it's just like Shangri-La.
02:10:54.940It's just mystically hidden from reality.
02:10:56.880It's like, no, no, the Bible tells you it was on the ground.
02:11:00.580It got destroyed by the flood, Isaiah 49 and 54.
02:11:03.380Talk about the details of Zion, how it's overcome with storm, tossed with waves, destroyed, desecrated.
02:11:09.600And then 2nd Ezra chapter 7, verse 26, literally tells you it was withdrawn into heaven.
02:11:15.760And that's why in New Testament, Paul's talking about it being in the third heaven.
02:11:20.680And then Revelation, John's vision of Revelation, it comes down out of heaven.
02:11:23.660Again, it's the return, it's the return, it's just made bigger to accommodate for everyone that takes part in the first resurrection who's going to inherit a spot in there.
02:11:33.760And then when it sets down, all the people that didn't take part in the first resurrection, Revelation 24 through 6, they're considered survivors of the nations who will come to it to learn God's ways, to stop mourning with each other, to get free medicine from the leaves.
02:12:50.280That's where he spent the 300 years with the angels of God protected.
02:12:54.700This is what we've tried to show the Greek and like Hebrews 11, 5.
02:12:57.800And it talks about Enoch was transferred so he wouldn't see death.
02:13:02.620It doesn't mean he was already given his resurrection body before Christ.
02:13:05.620Christ was the first fruits of the promise of resurrection, right?
02:13:08.600He was taken into the – if you have jubilees, the ancient Israelite writings that give you the extra details, which other Christians have in their canon throughout history,
02:13:16.560you would have the background knowledge of what happened with Enoch, where he went, and why in 1 Enoch, I think it's chapter 65,
02:13:22.920Noah goes to the edge of the garden and speaks with Enoch because Noah just had a vision that terrified him about the coming flood.
02:13:31.560So, okay, so like Enoch and Elijah, like to your point, nobody could have a glorified body, resurrected body before Jesus because he's the first fruits.
02:13:40.720So you're saying those dudes are just chilling in the garden.
02:14:35.420And there was another place, I think one of the, like a good servant in Ahab's household was like, no, hey, he said, okay, go tell Ahab I'm here.
02:14:45.720He said, no, no, I'm going to do that.
02:14:46.980And then the Lord is going to pick you up and take you somewhere else.
02:14:50.020And then I'm going to look like an idiot when he comes back.
02:15:41.240And I put together a timeline that basically I tried to go through the scriptures to show the kings that reigned during the days of Elijah and Elisha, when Elisha leaves with the chariots of fire versus when you get that letter later, Elijah's letter that happens later to Jehoram.
02:16:01.420Which basically meant he was still alive.
02:16:05.240So the point I'm trying to show is basically the scriptures.
02:16:49.760I remember he was, he was, there was so much turmoil with, you know, Ahab and Jezebel and all that stuff.
02:16:54.160He was being hunted and at various times.
02:16:56.340And so I think he just went to retire in seclusion.
02:17:00.720Um, but also in Hebrews chapter 11, it directly tells you, you know, the hall of faith, right?
02:17:05.380Hebrews chapter 11 verses one through 37 talks about all these incredible men and women of the scripture who gave their life for, for, as verse 35 says, the greater resurrection, the hope of a greater resurrection.
02:17:16.280They're willing to go to torturous deaths and martyrdom for the sake of the promise of the covenant, which is the resurrection to eternal life.
02:17:22.820Then in verse 39 and 40, at the very end of the chapter, it says, all these referring back to everyone who just previously mentioned have not been perfected, have not taken, taken part in this yet without us, but together with us will be perfected.
02:17:37.420Because this is why we try to share with people, like the, the moment you get your incorruptible glorified body at the, at the first resurrection is at the seventh trumpet.
02:17:49.220You don't have a whole bunch of glorified people already just chilling everywhere.
02:17:52.740Like it's all, it's all, it's all, the first resurrection is a big deal taught in scripture.
02:17:57.020And it all happens on one day at the second coming of Christ.
02:18:00.280And that's, and there's multiple reasons for that scripturally.
02:18:03.000And so this is one of the things we talk about often on our channel is the details of the first resurrection and how it's, you know, it's overlooked just like the new Jerusalem.
02:18:11.720It's an overlooked topic of discussion.
02:18:14.180And when I interview pastors on the channel, they have all different interpretations of the first resurrection.
02:18:19.020Um, and like, there's even a bunch of different versions of it, like from one pastor to the next, it's not a cohesive.
02:18:43.340And, um, and so this is why like all these details matter when it comes to, you know, how God is going to come to the earth and establish peace and put the devil in a hole for a thousand years and throw the unclean spirits in like a fire.
02:18:55.900And all these details that, that a lot of them, you know, not a lot of them, but, uh, some significant aspects of those details are given to us in books like Jubilees and Enoch that were a part of the ancient literature.
02:19:12.140There's an eighth century historian named George Sincalos, who was a Greek historian who was trying to make a chronographia that it's like the first history book he was trying to make in the eighth century AD.
02:19:20.000And he actually leans upon the book of Jubilees for his history.
02:19:26.600So specifically for pre-flood information, you know, because Jubilees goes into greater depth, um, than even Enoch does when it tries to break down the three different types of Nephilim that were around during those days.
02:19:38.740And then how Noah reacted after the flood when now that the unclean spirits were still here, the disembodied Nephilim were still here.
02:19:44.920And in chapter 10 directly Coral gives you the direct explanation as Noah is praying to God, asking for help against these things, saying, these are the sons of your watchers.
02:19:54.780And these came from before the flood and they're still here after the flood and they're causing my sons and daughters to sin and to go into warfare.
02:20:00.980And I need help, you know what I mean?
02:20:02.840And like, it's a direct connection before pre and post flood to what these unclean spirits are, how they were infecting mankind before the flood and how they're affecting mankind after the flood.
02:20:13.320Um, and without that information, the average Christian is truly lost when it comes to this spiritual battle.
02:20:20.360And that's why this deception is so big in our day.
02:20:23.540That's what was so amazing to me was that it was, it was an aspect of Christian and Christianity.
02:20:49.340It seemed like there was still the worship of these entities and that they were very real, whether or not they were flesh and blood today, you know, was, was up for debate.
02:20:57.800But I could see their presence and their fingerprint.
02:20:59.520And I, I didn't, I wasn't looking to Christianity for, um, a frame of reference on those entities.
02:21:07.020And then when I came to Christianity, I came in through like a Michael Heiser worldview.
02:21:11.820I came in through the idea of the Nephilim.
02:21:14.340Like that was always my framework over these last years.
02:21:17.820I don't know, five years or so, uh, of how to look at this entire phenomenon.
02:21:22.540And so it's strange to me actually to be new in, in my walk and new to my understanding of Christianity, but then to turn to people who have been, you know, uh, seminary school, what have you raised in the church, always been a part of it.
02:21:36.120And so much vastly, uh, more adept in scripture than I am.
02:21:41.560Uh, it feels like I couldn't close the gap, but they disagree with this, which to me, I'm like, this is a fundamental piece without this.
02:22:09.040Um, many years, like 15 years ago, I was going to not only the church I was going to, but other, because I used to live in a, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, there's mega churches everywhere.
02:22:18.340And I, not only to the church I was going to, I was, I would make weekly appointments with multiple assistant pastors to ask them Bible questions like between Sundays, but I would go to other churches and make appointments with those pastors at different, like, because I was going to a Methodist church.
02:22:32.420And then I would go make appointments with the Presbyterian pastor and the Baptist pastor.
02:22:35.860Like I would go to these other people to try to say, ask them these biblical questions, many of them about the Nephilim.
02:22:41.540And I started hearing all these different answers and some of them just basically would just honestly say, you know, I just don't know, you know?
02:22:47.760And I'm sitting there going, forgive, forgive my, my negative reaction, sir.
02:22:57.860Like, and, and by the way, there is a, when we, you know, even back in 2012, 2013, like there were online resources for looking up what the, you know, lexiconical resources, looking up the definition of words.
02:23:39.580The fundamental problem is from, from, from my perspective, being outside of religion growing up, I would say, well, they can't all be true.
02:24:22.840That's how a lot of people are going about this whole thing is like, well, the Greek pantheon, that's not a real thing at all.
02:24:29.040This is just a mythology and I go, but they built and dedicated cities and cultures and, and unbelievable swaths of time and text to these things, worship and dedication.
02:24:42.120And you do that with the Vedic pantheon and you do that with, you know, the, the Sumerians and, and, you know, the Mayans and the Aztecs and on and on and on.
02:24:49.580And how could that thing that was erected in honor of these things.
02:24:53.520And then I look at Christianity and what's been erected in honor of, of Jesus Christ.
02:24:57.440And I go, they did, they've done the same thing here.
02:25:00.420So is that the mark of truth is how much time a people is willing to dedicate to a thing.
02:25:06.140And then it's like, once you have that and you go, no, they dedicated it to these things because they were duped into worshiping false gods, false gods.
02:25:14.860That were real, that were fallen angels.
02:25:17.480They were duped into worshiping demigods that are, that are Nephilim.
02:25:21.300All of that start, it pulls it all together.
02:25:24.420And it's like, I, I feel almost terrible.
02:25:28.980And I'm not saying like, you can't find meaning in Jesus unless like you have this part of the lens.
02:25:33.860It's just like the worldview becomes so, in my opinion, rich and obvious.
02:25:40.420Once you have that piece to, to pull it all together, it, it, it, it does really pull together everything from every, you know, uh, people of antiquity.
02:25:51.120It goes back to the initial question that you asked him to start the show was, uh, who do you think is better off?
02:25:56.360Do you think this person is in good standing?
02:26:07.080Or, and, and on the other side of it, you have researchers, well, like sort of like us, but definitely like you who are like, I'm going to, I need to know exactly.
02:26:16.440You know, the other thing too, without it is if you're not Christian, let's say you're newly aspiring pagan, you're getting into wickedness or you're, you're, uh, unironically worshiping the, the Norse, you know, pantheon or something like that, which is very popular.
02:26:31.420Now everybody's got rune tattoos and everybody's unironically worshiping Odin and Thor.
02:26:36.440And, and you adhere to that thing and you go, the other ones aren't real and Jesus Christ, definitely not real, but this thing is real.
02:27:53.840So what you talked about earlier about there's people like us that interested in this.
02:28:03.220When we look into this, there is a unique rub that's happening in Christian, or at least my experience in Christendom, where you're having seminary trained pastors come up being told a certain narrative of theology and history that leaves a huge open gap for this deception to fall into.
02:28:22.920Meanwhile, their major priority they're being taught is church administration and church growth.
02:28:29.200So they're, they're being taught, how do we grow the church versus is our doctrine on point?
02:28:35.160Like, are we actually making sense with what we're teaching because they can just, you know, I'm not trying to be derogatory towards them.
02:28:43.620This just is the natural outflow of how this happens.
02:28:46.540They just kind of broad stroke the difficult questions away to say, well, look, we're really, where are you serving today in the church?
02:28:57.620Go serve at your local church, be a part of their lay ministries, be a part of helping people get your hands and feet busy, actually doing something to help the body of believers.
02:29:06.680But there are a lot of people sitting in the pews that want to know the details so that it's all as cohesive and makes sense, this big story.
02:29:13.400And without that, you get, you just get kind of like, oh yeah, we're excited.
02:29:17.620We, you know, we did 10 more baptisms this week or we'd had, you know, I used to, when I was in high school, I went to a Baptist church.
02:29:23.380They had this little board on the, on the wall that said how many people got saved in the last month, you know?
02:29:27.820And I was just like, okay, that's cool.
02:29:30.340But, you know, the vast majority of the people that were sitting in the crowd, they're out at the lake on the weekends, getting drunk and fooling around.
02:29:39.440Like, so yeah, it's, it's a balance, right?
02:29:42.680Of like, get involved in the church, your local church, your community, try to help be a part of something.
02:29:47.200But at the same time, that doesn't mean we just slack off on doctrine.
02:29:50.740So in the book of Acts, I can't remember if it's chapter five or chapter six, all the apostles from chapter two, plus the 120, plus a whole bunch of other people, remember they were adding to their number daily.
02:30:01.540And then they started, I can't remember exactly the passage, Matt may remember, they were regulating several of them to just be teachers.
02:30:08.400And they were devoting, after they pulled their resources together, they set aside like six or seven guys to just study.
02:30:15.020Oh, you're talking about when the Greek widows were being neglected, the Hebrew widows were getting their stuff.
02:30:21.200And then the apostles said, hey, we can't stop like doing what we're doing to deal with this business.
02:30:26.120Somebody, somebody's got to do it, but we can't stop because we have to attend to the ministry of the word and prayer.
02:30:31.180And then they said, so we got to get some people to oversee this.
02:30:34.400Let's go get the local wealthy car dealership owner.
02:33:00.200So, someone's asking in the chat, though, what kind of church, because I mentioned Tulsa earlier, and apparently they're about to move to Tulsa in a couple months, and they're asking what kind of church teaches the stuff we're talking about.
02:33:22.000I tried to introduce some of this stuff.
02:33:25.200I was asked to guest speak at the church that I went to, and I got to guest speak just in the Sunday school for like six different occasions and gave them a full breakdown on the Nephilim.
02:33:34.020And the first Sunday school I spoke with, the first time they asked me to do this, because it was just one of the co-pastors that I had been speaking with, like I told you guys.
02:33:45.960And they realized that I had been studying this more than they had, right?
02:33:50.700So, they were like, do you want to come talk about this to some of our Sunday schools?
02:33:53.800Because sometimes they have questions about these things.
02:33:55.840And the first one they asked me to go to was the Sunrisers Sunday school, 80 and over, 80 years old and over.
02:34:02.880And they met at 8 a.m. on Sunday morning.
02:34:06.600And so, I'm like still sleepy-eyed, like standing up there at 8 a.m. and trying to give this breakdown on Duramy-3 and the Nephilim and Agrabashan.
02:34:16.500And after it was done, it was like 50 minutes.
02:34:19.720And after it was done, like they came up to me and they were like, thank you so much for talking about this.
02:34:24.720We've wondered about this for decades.
02:34:45.920And I think what you want to know as a Christian is that the Bible and your leaders and the thing that you believe in your heart is equipped to deal with experiences that like are happening today still.
02:34:59.160If people have experiences and if they're not grounded and they don't know Christianity, that's what pushes them into the new age.
02:35:05.920That's what pushes them into, you know, being Wiccan or being a witch.
02:35:10.240Like that's not a – how do I say this?
02:35:12.320That's not a flippant thing that I say.
02:35:16.160There's a vast body of people, millennials, you know, Gen Z, I guess, you know, Gen X that are practicing Wiccans.
02:35:27.340And these are people that like believe – they believe in the nature of the spiritual realm of entities, you know, so much more so than the average Christian does.
02:35:38.560And the average Christian is not exempt from having an experience, but like how many people have an experience, they bring it to their pastor, and like the pastor doesn't have a frame for it, or they just give them something that's reductive and dismissive and says, well, that sounds demonic or of the devil.
02:35:57.880And it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but – and I agree with that.
02:36:01.660But you also have to be able to sit there and go back and forth with somebody about the depth of their experience.
02:36:06.980And if you don't do it, if you don't explain this supernatural worldview, if you don't explain these unbelievable events, I mean, our God came in the flesh, died, overcame death, was resurrected, and is literally the path for redemption for us, that's unbelievable by many people's measure.
02:36:24.840If you're not willing to go to these other places because you don't think that it plays well with it or you're unsure about giants, these other belief systems are more than happy to discuss these things with people.
02:36:36.000They're more than happy to facilitate that conversation.
02:36:39.220Yeah, it's funny you mention that because, like, when I – I went to Bible school in Tulsa.
02:36:42.580That's how I moved to Tulsa originally.
02:36:44.580And my – the first, like, nine weeks that I was there, we – like, one of our classes, we broke off into these, like, cell groups, you know.
02:36:52.720It was, like, 10 or 12 men that we were supposed to hold each other accountable and pray with each other, you know, and meet up once a week.
02:36:58.440And so I came back the following week and I dyed my hair all, like, platinum blonde because I was trying to be like Goku.
02:38:48.280And I was like, can you explain to me what you do?
02:38:50.200And she kind of gave me a short breakdown on how she reads tarot cards and stuff.
02:38:53.660And I was like, all right, well, I don't need all that, but I just want to let you know that God loves you and wants to break you free from these chains.
02:38:57.980And, you know, I had some kind of, like, some things to say to her, and then I left.
02:39:02.020And so when I went back to the Bible school to this little men's group that we met occasionally, I told them about this because they said, you know, like, what's your week been like, right?
02:39:10.700And so I told them, they're already looking at me weird because of my hair's dyed, and that was against Bible school policy.
02:39:16.440They're trying to ask you what's wrong with you.
02:39:18.700Are you all, what's your week been like?
02:39:21.840I didn't tell them that I accidentally went to a gay club and didn't realize it until the guy started looking.
02:40:05.900Like, I want to, anyway, so it was just, I've, that was my first time running into, like, this, you know, kind of cage stage spiritual atmosphere of, you know, everything's the devil.
02:40:20.280And I'm like, aren't we supposed to go shed the light into place, the dark places?
02:40:23.500Because, you know, we had this similar situation.
02:40:27.480And I don't know who was right or who was wrong.
02:40:30.480So, because it's something that, like, we, like, argued about just recently.
02:40:33.280The guy that fell off and there was, like, a weird supernatural reason as to why he fell off.
02:40:38.640And I suspect that when he was in my house with one of his ex-girlfriends that they, something happened, some sort of form of witchcraft, including bloody panties with poop on them, weird stuff.
02:40:53.020And then my entire family was getting sick.
02:40:54.880They'll leave behind, like, it's like a totem, like, something that anchors them to a location.
02:43:52.920The trajectory of the show was changing dramatically.
02:43:55.240I think our walk with God has been exponentially strengthened since, like, that moment.
02:43:59.400But in that moment, I think the fundamental mistake that we made, I made myself, was that we were operating in a spirit of fear instead of faith.
02:44:07.480And I think that within all things, you're given this choice, right?
02:44:11.080The world or God at any moment puts a thing in front of you.
02:44:16.060And that thing, your decision on how to do with it can almost always be boiled down to a decision made in fear or a decision made in faith.
02:44:24.680And I've gotten quite used to this kind of faith-based decision throughout my life because I've been, I used to be homeless when I was younger.
02:44:35.260I think when you don't have a lot to lose, it's much easier to start moving in faith than it is in fear.
02:44:42.240When you have a lot, like, you were dealing with a thing.