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00:00:34.800 Hello and welcome to Keenum in Context.

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00:04:43.880 All right, guys, without further ado, let's bring on our guest today.

00:04:48.120 We have a wonderful panel coming on.

00:04:51.000 We have a top Matt and Raven from Nephilim Death Squad.

00:04:54.120 Welcome gentlemen.

00:04:55.180 What's going on, brother?

00:04:56.520 Hey, good to see you guys.

00:04:58.380 Thank you for having us, man.

00:04:59.560 This is a, that was, that was awesome, dude.

00:05:01.900 I'm enjoying, I was enjoying the commercials.

00:05:03.660 Like watching them, like we can get tea.

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00:05:07.140 The cartoon goes hard.

00:05:08.340 We could get a shield.

00:05:09.460 Honestly, that shield goes hard.

00:05:10.940 That is a really cool shield.

00:05:12.660 Yes.

00:05:12.980 I'm envying the shield right now.

00:05:14.420 Yeah.

00:05:14.700 I don't know if there's a way, maybe we could like give more money.

00:05:17.400 I got to reach out to somebody.

00:05:18.720 It's like somebody in our audience has to make shields.

00:05:20.520 I hadn't considered it before.

00:05:21.740 That is awesome.

00:05:22.980 Yeah.

00:05:23.140 It's, it's a, I wanted to do the giveaway, the sword as well.

00:05:25.840 Cause I have the sword, but I figured that's probably, I'll probably get sued for that.

00:05:29.100 So can't give away the sword.

00:05:31.480 Well, you have to keep something.

00:05:32.660 I mean, if the sword is cool, you got to keep something right.

00:05:34.520 I mean, well, we did have, uh, we, we branded our audience as dangerous artards and I'm not

00:05:40.640 going to, but, uh, we had a gun holster company that was making these and after a while we were

00:05:44.900 kind of like, maybe we shouldn't be.

00:05:46.100 Yeah.

00:05:46.400 Because the implications that you get in trouble and the judge looks at your holster and goes

00:05:51.160 dangerous.

00:05:51.780 What?

00:05:52.040 I don't know if that's such a good idea.

00:05:54.740 So yeah, it's a, it's a risky endeavor.

00:05:57.340 That's why I guess.

00:05:58.560 So you guys have a channel, Nephilim.Squad.

00:06:01.320 You guys are on, uh, all major podcasts, streaming platforms, as well as rumble and YouTube.

00:06:07.340 Am I missing one?

00:06:08.860 You're also, uh, you stream platforms and all that, that that's pretty much covers it.

00:06:13.460 Okay.

00:06:14.180 Yeah.

00:06:14.520 So, um, you guys, what I always try to, when I have guests on, I always try to go through

00:06:20.000 some of the basics for the audience to kind of get to know you a little bit.

00:06:22.540 Um, we can start from left to right.

00:06:23.900 If you like, what brought you to Christ and then we'll move on to, I guess, a different

00:06:29.560 question.

00:06:29.940 So like what, if you could sum it up in two minutes, like what, how, what would you say,

00:06:34.160 uh, brought you into the goodness and the grace of God?

00:06:38.320 Um, I was kind of like brought in, like pushed in, in a way as a child.

00:06:42.620 And, uh, fell out, but have rediscovered in the last, I don't know, five years or so.

00:06:49.680 And, uh, I, I think the path that I took is a little, a little strange kind of, uh, from

00:06:54.920 being, you know, playing guitar in a church to being kicked out of a church to not wanting

00:07:01.000 anything to do with it, then coming back and, and really re-exploring the Bible, but what

00:07:06.360 the Bible is actually saying, not what somebody taught me.

00:07:09.220 And as I did that and I dug deeper and like from, you know, you look into conspiracies

00:07:13.820 and politics and stuff.

00:07:14.860 And, and after you realize that that's all nonsense, I started to go back into my actual

00:07:19.720 roots, which is the Bible.

00:07:20.620 And then I started to read into that.

00:07:22.100 And there is more in there than I was told as a child.

00:07:25.280 And from there I started to rediscover not just my faith in God.

00:07:29.720 I never stopped believing in God, Jesus Christ.

00:07:32.380 And, and, and those things, but my relationship with God.

00:07:37.540 So as I'm exploring these topics, I'm getting closer to understanding, uh, the personality

00:07:44.560 of God or who he is or what he, what he needs me to be.

00:07:49.660 And that's, that's probably been the last two years.

00:07:52.080 The show that we started was supposed to be conspiracy and comedy.

00:07:55.400 And we're, we're Christians.

00:07:56.760 We believe, but it wasn't, it was never supposed to really aim in that direction, but the more

00:08:02.240 it has developed, the closer in our walk, we've gotten that way.

00:08:07.240 And yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's in a very organic way it's happened.

00:08:12.880 And I don't, for me as a person, it couldn't have happened any other way.

00:08:15.680 Cause I'm not the kind of person that you can tell what to do and where to go.

00:08:20.160 I I've got to really learn this and understand these things myself and like internalize them.

00:08:24.340 So that's a, I guess the long and short of my walk with God and kind of how I got to

00:08:29.100 where I'm at.

00:08:29.620 But Matt, I'm interested to hear about you.

00:08:31.460 You don't even talk about yourself, dude.

00:08:34.040 Well, yeah, well, that's another topic for another time.

00:08:36.340 No.

00:08:36.680 So I got a Bible, like I got a Bible, bro.

00:08:38.820 When I was 19, like when I was a little kid, we used to go to Catholic church.

00:08:41.780 But if I asked my mom, like why we went to church, she said, because I said so.

00:08:45.560 Like there was never like any elaborating on it and there was never any Bible, but I got a Bible

00:08:50.460 when I was 19 and I was like, it was, it was just a wild experience.

00:08:55.120 Like I was literally rushing home from work to read it and I would be reading it like

00:08:58.780 after work, excuse me, till I'd like go to bed.

00:09:02.980 And I never, uh, like I immediately knew it was the truth.

00:09:06.540 Like I, like immediately as, as I'm reading this, I had been reading some other stuff about

00:09:10.360 Buddhism, Hinduism and like, uh, Judaism and just some other stuff.

00:09:14.860 Cause my brother had a world religion book and I sort of thought I was going to mix them

00:09:18.300 all together and then I got a Bible and I was like, yo, this doesn't mix with anything.

00:09:21.780 Like, like this is definitely the truth.

00:09:24.140 And then, uh, and then I was in a major conflict cause I wasn't ready to obey.

00:09:29.000 I wasn't ready to submit to Christ.

00:09:31.400 You know what I mean?

00:09:32.500 So, um, so that went on and my life went, uh, out of control for probably another 10 years

00:09:39.340 or eight years or something like that.

00:09:40.780 I don't know until I finally just surrendered, man, until I finally was like, I've had enough.

00:09:45.240 And then went back to the Bible, just kept reading and reading and reading.

00:09:50.400 And I think a passage that really, uh, kind of changed a lot for me or why maybe different

00:09:56.120 from what I hear from other people is just like John 14, I think it's 26 or 23, but just

00:10:02.460 that the Holy spirit will teach you all things and bring all things to your memory.

00:10:06.240 I think for some reason, uh, surely just the grace of God, I just understood the Bible when

00:10:12.520 I read it and, uh, it was just a matter of, like I said, submitting.

00:10:16.480 And so after that, like eight or 10 years of letting God, letting the world just beat

00:10:21.780 me up enough, I finally submitted.

00:10:24.320 That was when I finally came to Christ or started to really walk with them.

00:10:29.200 Okay.

00:10:29.760 Yeah, that's good.

00:10:31.740 Um, so I think, uh, don't lie to the people.

00:10:36.260 Um, my, my childhood was filled with a lot of weird happenings, uh, strange spiritual

00:10:44.160 experiences, supernatural experiences.

00:10:45.640 Turns out there's some generational iniquity going on, or at least as I've come to understand

00:10:50.620 it, my grandmother was involved in, you know, new age practices and such.

00:10:54.780 And I think, uh, her kids and their kids really experienced, uh, the, the rewards of that.

00:11:00.380 We reaped the benefits of, of that misstep.

00:11:03.600 And so having those experiences when I was little made me, once I had access to the internet,

00:11:09.020 I was fascinated with these stories, supernatural stories.

00:11:13.420 And, um, that kind of led me down this conspiracy route.

00:11:17.580 You know, if you start Googling sleep paralysis and things of that nature, you're going to get

00:11:22.180 to all kinds of demonic kind of answers.

00:11:25.140 And then what that begat was, uh, is that a word?

00:11:28.160 Um, all of these symbols popping up that you would see in the music industry and in

00:11:33.980 Hollywood, kind of esoteric Hollywood, uh, things.

00:11:36.840 And then from there, I was a conspiracy theorist from maybe 15, 16 years old to, I would say

00:11:44.640 30, around 30 years old.

00:11:47.940 I have a demonic encounter and it's not just me.

00:11:53.580 My wife has the encounter and then my son, who at the time is maybe four has the encounter.

00:12:00.320 And, um, it was horrifying and it was, it lasted a number of days and I was desperate for

00:12:08.580 it to stop and I couldn't get answers because.

00:12:13.020 So this was like a, an oppression.

00:12:14.560 Like they were actually coming after you.

00:12:16.600 Oh, I saw it.

00:12:17.860 My wife's physical manifestation, right?

00:12:19.780 Well, it's hard to say physical because spiritual realm.

00:12:23.040 We don't know.

00:12:23.480 We don't really know.

00:12:25.080 Um, but yeah, enough that, um, without me telling my wife that this thing was happening 0.71

00:12:31.520 to me, she described this entity to me and without our son being aware that we had seen

00:12:36.820 this thing, he described it.

00:12:38.980 And when that happened, I was in such a state of desperation and had no way of recourse

00:12:44.600 that for the first time in my life, I called out to Jesus Christ and the entire phenomenon

00:12:49.380 stopped on a dime.

00:12:51.640 And when that happened, I decided to finally entertain this thing that if you're in conspiracy

00:12:57.760 is constantly showing itself.

00:12:59.100 The Bible is constantly showing itself in conspiracy theory.

00:13:01.960 Jesus is, is constantly showing up as an element within conspiracy theory, but I had never given

00:13:07.800 it its due diligence because in the West we've learned to kind of, uh, dismiss this.

00:13:12.720 There's, there's a cultural sort of psyop at play that, um, the Christianity is ridiculed

00:13:18.320 and, and, and Christ is kind of put on the back burner.

00:13:20.540 And if anything, it, it looks like, uh, maybe Christianity is a control mechanism for the 0.51

00:13:24.460 masses or something to that effect.

00:13:26.100 And so I had never really delved down that.

00:13:29.180 I was willing to look into all things.

00:13:30.500 If it was Crowley, I would, I would say, well, what's this about?

00:13:33.020 Or if it was, you know, uh, the, uh, uh, the new world order or some, something like

00:13:37.380 that, any of the cliches, I would look at that, but I'd always put Christ on the back

00:13:40.440 burner when this phenomenon stopped, I decided not all at once, to be perfectly honest.

00:13:46.620 It did take a year or two, maybe even more than that.

00:13:50.800 Maybe I'm being a little bit too generous to myself, um, before I oriented in that direction

00:13:55.720 and genuinely started to explore the phenomenon.

00:13:58.380 And then I dedicated, um, a show to, it was called the Raven's watch.

00:14:03.680 And then I, I shortly after that met up with top and we really began to focus on this thing

00:14:10.420 on Nephilim death squad.

00:14:11.320 So, so much of what the audience sees is a relatively new walk, uh, with Christ in, in,

00:14:17.300 in, you know, my position specifically on the show, I wasn't raised in the church, not

00:14:21.540 religious, you know, if you had to say anything, maybe there was some ages of the elements of

00:14:25.560 new age in my upbringing.

00:14:26.920 Um, but as a 30 something year old man, I'm now exploring it, uh, with, with an audience

00:14:33.580 and it's just the, the gift that keeps on giving.

00:14:36.740 Yeah, that's awesome, brother.

00:14:37.860 So as you guys, all three have discussed, I hear elements of my own walk and my own coming

00:14:43.660 to Christ and everything you're talking about top.

00:14:45.720 You mentioned something about how you're, you're really like learning more of what God wants

00:14:50.460 for you and what he has for you, what he's put inside of you to, to, to come out with your

00:14:54.260 gifts and talents.

00:14:54.860 I had a guy try to explain that once I was, uh, probably 19 or 20 and an older man who

00:14:59.700 was a Christian was trying to share something with me to encourage me.

00:15:02.740 And he, he took me to a Bible passage that like you never hear anyone ever preach from

00:15:07.320 and it's a Philemon, right?

00:15:09.120 So he took me to the book of Philemon, uh, verse six and verse six says, um, I pray that

00:15:14.700 your partnership in the faith may become effective as you fully acknowledge every good thing that

00:15:19.680 is ours in Christ.

00:15:20.740 And the way he tried to explain this to me was that when we, you know, press into Christ

00:15:25.540 and deepen on our discipleship, it's all the good things he's, he's like put into your

00:15:31.160 personality are going to start to blossom and fruit out, right?

00:15:34.760 Versus when you press into the world, all that goodness that God created within you is going

00:15:39.040 to get suppressed, right?

00:15:40.380 As you get overridden, uh, with a calloused heart and with, uh, destructive behaviors.

00:15:44.780 And so I just like the fullness of my personality as God created coming out because I walked with

00:15:49.980 Christ.

00:15:50.220 I'd never heard that before.

00:15:52.020 Right.

00:15:52.440 And I thought that was amazing.

00:15:53.660 And that's, you know, here I am doing everything that I've wanted to do all my life since coming

00:15:58.500 to Christ.

00:15:58.900 I'm finally doing it at 45 years, almost 46 now.

00:16:01.820 And so that was just encouraging to me.

00:16:03.340 I also grew up in church, um, my father and grandfather were pastors and, um, gave my,

00:16:10.700 but I don't feel like I really gave my heart to Christ until I was 17.

00:16:13.280 And that was in the back of a minivan on I-95 in New Jersey.

00:16:17.040 So like in New Jersey, where, where in New Jersey, literally, literally on I-95 and on

00:16:22.060 the highway in New Jersey, as we were driving.

00:16:24.120 Oh, that's funny.

00:16:25.040 I didn't have a normal church article moment.

00:16:27.180 Like I had a radical conversion in a minivan on I-95.

00:16:30.080 But I was not, I mean, you know, in all things considered, uh, where I was at the time was

00:16:35.060 not far from I-95 in New Jersey.

00:16:36.640 So, uh, maybe there's, maybe there's a special line running through New Jersey.

00:16:41.700 There's a, there's actually a story that I tell that I, I guess I really abbreviated for

00:16:45.860 the, my, I don't really give my testimony that much.

00:16:48.380 I'll, I'll just give bits and pieces as we go.

00:16:50.040 But, uh, there was a woman in the church that I went to as I was getting kicked out.

00:16:54.240 Nobody knew I had a disagreement with the pastor, whole fallout, but, uh, the congregation

00:16:59.080 had no idea.

00:16:59.960 They just see me still up there doing the ministry.

00:17:03.320 And she, uh, she prophesies over me.

00:17:06.760 And she said that you're going to talk to millions of people one day.

00:17:09.880 Um, great plans.

00:17:11.360 And I told her, like, I said, thanks.

00:17:13.360 But what I said was like in my, in my mind, F you this, you know, cause I had one foot out.

00:17:18.900 I was still there, but I was like, I am leaving.

00:17:21.360 And this place has done me wrong.

00:17:23.360 That's not happening.

00:17:24.740 And every step that I took in a disobedience, it was, it was like a step this way.

00:17:31.480 And it always felt wrong.

00:17:32.400 I was like getting slapped down for doing what I was doing incorrectly.

00:17:35.520 Um, but it kept on like little by little degree by degree, pushing me back into the orientation

00:17:41.280 that, well, now I'm doing, I'm doing exactly what she said.

00:17:44.780 Uh, but I, I didn't seek out to do it if that makes any sense.

00:17:50.460 Yeah.

00:17:50.940 Yeah.

00:17:51.200 I think our show, Sean is, is, um, I mean, we have a reputation for being rough around

00:17:55.800 the edges, but there's, there's a certain type of person that we talk to that I think

00:18:01.280 the church and other folks have a hard time reaching.

00:18:04.580 And, and those are specifically people that are not only rough around the edges, but are

00:18:08.660 of a conspiratorial mindset, because there's something about a conspiracy theorist that doesn't

00:18:14.260 want to listen to somebody talk who doesn't know what they know.

00:18:18.440 So, you know, maybe for example, this Epstein file thing, that's, that's big right now.

00:18:22.360 It's like, if you don't know what the, what the Clintons are, are, uh, you know, what they're

00:18:27.920 doing or what's going on on that Island or something, then I don't even want to hear you

00:18:30.920 talk.

00:18:31.140 So a lot of pastors and things of that nature, they're grounded in Christ.

00:18:35.640 They're grounded in scripture.

00:18:36.840 They're not really aware of what the world's doing, which is honestly what we're, we're called

00:18:40.780 to do, right?

00:18:41.220 We're not called to be in the world, um, or we're in the world, but not of the world.

00:18:46.420 And, uh, and so that's not really a fault of their own, but I think that you said earlier,

00:18:50.660 God, you know, takes these elements of you that are of your personality.

00:18:54.840 And as you gravitate towards him, these things, they, they rise up, they become tools.

00:19:00.720 Um, we were, you know, he comes from a political background.

00:19:04.100 I come from a kind of crazy conspiracies, you know, maybe even spiritual background.

00:19:09.120 Um, but all of that learning about this, the political corruption and the, the conspiratorial

00:19:15.120 corruption allows us to talk to these people who wouldn't otherwise listen.

00:19:18.980 If you didn't know something that they know, um, we're, we're a specific tool.

00:19:24.500 We're a very unique tool for a very unique group.

00:19:27.440 And, and, um, and it took a long time.

00:19:30.300 You know, you said that you're experiencing finally being able to do this thing in your

00:19:34.540 forties.

00:19:35.100 It was the same way for me.

00:19:36.640 I, I did a podcast quite unsuccessfully for a long time for like six or seven years.

00:19:43.220 And they were podcasts on any given topic.

00:19:46.160 I would just talk to people who did something interesting or they were, or they were comedy

00:19:49.480 rooted to no success whatsoever.

00:19:51.720 And I could feel it.

00:19:53.060 I've achieved nothing except for by the grace of God.

00:19:56.220 Once I oriented towards God, I was like, I'm listening.

00:19:59.120 I'm, I'm moving towards you.

00:20:00.260 I'm pursuing you.

00:20:00.840 And then talking about that.

00:20:02.020 And, and, you know, uh, I think going through this walk publicly, everything started coming

00:20:07.400 together.

00:20:07.740 I would never be able to attribute any of my success to, to my own, um, desires or abilities

00:20:14.940 because I did it for a long time with zero success.

00:20:18.340 And it was only once I oriented towards God that I found success.

00:20:23.140 Yeah.

00:20:23.540 Well, I want to encourage you both because there is, uh, when people say, oh, you know,

00:20:28.260 you're Christians shouldn't be obsessed with conspiracy theories.

00:20:31.580 I just sit in there going, Hey, have you read your Bible?

00:20:34.120 Because, uh, let me show you something that's in the Bible and we should all, we all have access

00:20:39.240 to this information.

00:20:40.140 And this is actually a, it's just a Facebook post I did a long time ago, but I go ahead

00:20:44.840 and systematically document like through all the scriptures, all the conspiracy theories

00:20:48.000 in scripture.

00:20:48.980 So like you, you literally have people attacking the heaven of Eve.

00:20:52.780 You have the eugenics, genocide and environmental destruction of Genesis six. 0.96

00:20:56.240 You have the entire world conspiring against the creator in Genesis 11, the tower of Babel.

00:21:01.120 You have incremental oppression and subjugation by the whole Egyptian government and people 1.00

00:21:05.280 against the Israelites in Goshen and Exodus one.

00:21:07.880 You've got, uh, she'll support for former oppressive government by internal turmoil and

00:21:12.220 mutiny in number 16 with the rebellion of Korah.

00:21:15.380 You've got weapons ban and oppressive government to fully subjugate the people in first Samuel 0.99

00:21:19.140 13 by the Philistines.

00:21:21.440 You've got a genocide plot by government officials and Esther nine spies, sabotage and imprisonment

00:21:26.660 of oppressive government toward people's champion and judges 16 when they're coming after

00:21:30.600 Samson political and religious entrapment and false imprisonment in Daniel six.

00:21:34.780 Like you just go down the list of all these different conspiracies.

00:21:37.580 Is the one Samuel 13, is that the one where, uh, it says that they stopped making the weapons

00:21:42.340 in Israel and they were made, uh, the Philistines were making them so they couldn't even make 1.00

00:21:45.900 them when they needed them.

00:21:47.080 Yeah.

00:21:47.220 That and a complete weapon, not just a weapons ban, but a weapons manufacturing ban.

00:21:51.080 Yeah.

00:21:51.580 In all of Israel. 0.73

00:21:53.080 That's hard getting that list you got right there hits.

00:21:55.520 This is what we do.

00:21:56.500 Uh, I love that.

00:21:57.420 Let me, let me tell you the story, Sean, of, of the, of course, to end it off real quick.

00:22:02.080 Like revelation 12, Satan deceives the whole world.

00:22:04.040 Like there's an actual, it's stated that he's trying to deceive us all and he has minions

00:22:09.700 that help him.

00:22:10.360 Like it's a group effort for them to deceive the whole world.

00:22:12.960 And so, yeah, I'm sorry, stop.

00:22:14.280 Go ahead.

00:22:15.480 No, no.

00:22:16.120 It's all, uh, so as we said, the show and its inception is comedy conspiracy and we are

00:22:20.740 Christians. 0.51

00:22:21.040 So we'll talk about, uh, we'll talk about that as well, but it never leaned into Christianity

00:22:25.560 and we were doing a lot of comedy, a lot of conspiracy and things like that, uh, doing

00:22:30.720 live events with comedians and people.

00:22:32.700 And the last live event we did about two weeks before fell apart fantastically.

00:22:36.840 Oh yeah.

00:22:37.460 Got basically banned by the town for having a certain comedian.

00:22:40.840 Um, the people who were helping us with the show, one of the, one of the people that was

00:22:45.580 like a third part of, uh, the organization of the show, he just bailed out, asked his audience

00:22:51.540 not to come because I don't know for reasons, pretty much unknown, just kind of left.

00:22:57.340 And we were left to pick up the pieces and we found a new venue.

00:23:01.820 We still pulled off the performance and we did what we had to do.

00:23:05.260 But in the aftermath, like you're left with this, like sort of resentment, this bitterness

00:23:09.620 is like betrayal from so many different places.

00:23:12.560 But you're also left with this feeling of like, wow, that we still, we still did a thing.

00:23:17.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.620 And through that, we're like, well, we could choose to be like really bitter and angry.

00:23:21.540 Or we can kind of try to understand what happened here.

00:23:24.640 And from our understanding, this was like a, it was a weird spiritual attack.

00:23:28.700 And we were cleaved with, we were cleaved to people that were not moving in the same direction.

00:23:34.640 As a matter of fact, maybe a month or so after this whole incident happened, we found out

00:23:39.240 that one of their big problems with us when they were talking to other people behind our

00:23:42.920 back was that they like, oh, they've, they've been leaning so much into Christianity lately that

00:23:47.220 I don't like, I don't really know because we were like leading up to it.

00:23:50.960 We were, we were saying, hey, you know, I want to take this more seriously.

00:23:55.060 We've been saying things on the show or, or behaving, you know, it's comedy.

00:23:59.080 So we, we say whatever we're like, let's, you should clean it up a little bit.

00:24:02.260 Let's make the conscious effort to move in that direction.

00:24:05.160 They didn't like that.

00:24:06.020 And I feel like that was part of this like break, but it was such a clean break.

00:24:09.000 That was bizarre.

00:24:09.760 And we were in a town, we were talking to the people who own the town.

00:24:14.160 We were going to rent studio space above a coffee shop that was across the street from

00:24:18.040 an event, the event venue that we were going to perform at.

00:24:20.680 It all falls through in the most fantastic manner within like, I mean, we were in the

00:24:24.960 place.

00:24:25.400 We were measuring for banners.

00:24:27.540 Yeah.

00:24:27.860 When we found out that we'd have to either kick out our comedian, Owen Benjamin, or we

00:24:34.540 can't perform there.

00:24:35.580 And I said, well, it's just not how I, that's not how I operate.

00:24:38.560 I didn't even ask the guys, you know, and, and they're, you know, two thirds of the operation.

00:24:43.720 I said, okay, thank you.

00:24:45.580 And in my head, I'm like, we're getting a new venue.

00:24:47.760 Either this guy has to go, or we're getting a new venue because I'm not going to cancel

00:24:52.040 somebody.

00:24:52.520 That's not what, that's not what we do.

00:24:53.960 Not in my, not in my kingdom.

00:24:55.560 We don't do that here.

00:24:57.420 And why would you cancel Owen?

00:24:59.380 It's going to be a great time.

00:25:01.320 Yeah.

00:25:01.460 Cause everybody else does.

00:25:02.500 And it's just, you know, it's just disgusting behavior from people.

00:25:05.460 But that happens.

00:25:07.280 Clearly they've never listened to him.

00:25:08.480 Cause that's just going to make them mock them even more.

00:25:11.780 Which he did.

00:25:12.520 Which we, yeah, we all got on stage and did that.

00:25:16.740 And it was, it was kind of a, it was our, it was our, like a, I don't know, a finale

00:25:20.880 of, of this like ruckus comedy.

00:25:23.500 But anyway, this falls through.

00:25:25.560 The studio on top of the coffee shop that's gone.

00:25:29.220 Cause I'm not doing any business in the, in this town anymore.

00:25:31.460 It turns out the entire town, it goes up to the mayor.

00:25:33.940 One day I walk into another coffee shop and I go, coffee's pretty good here.

00:25:37.360 Come back.

00:25:37.960 And the next time I'm wearing, it's all right.

00:25:40.300 It's fine.

00:25:41.760 Wearing my Nephilim death squad t-shirt.

00:25:44.100 Cause I, you know, I, I print in a distribute t-shirts.

00:25:47.260 So he goes, uh, Matt goes, what do you know about the Nephilim?

00:25:51.320 And we start having a conversation.

00:25:52.780 Next thing, you know, I didn't say it like that.

00:25:54.740 That's exactly how I said, bro, you know what an Nephilim is? 1.00

00:25:57.440 You have a real nasty, yeah, we just did the face. 0.87

00:25:59.600 So we started having a conversation.

00:26:01.320 I realized, I said, this guy has a story to tell.

00:26:03.340 I interviewed him on the show.

00:26:05.920 I was like, oh, he's, he's great on the mic as well.

00:26:08.240 I, I invited him to do some Bible studies with us.

00:26:12.080 And it reminded me as you're pulling up those passages, we were reading the book of Daniel.

00:26:16.100 And one of the special things about the Bible studies that we do with Matt on the show is

00:26:20.220 we're reading the Bible and you're looking at these circumstances of old.

00:26:24.760 And I'm trying to imagine all the parts that the Bible doesn't like extrapolate on.

00:26:29.200 So Daniel's in Babylon and he's in the political class for a really long time.

00:26:33.060 I'm like, yeah, they went through their Epstein stuff.

00:26:35.420 They went through their, you know, stolen elections or whatever was going on in Babylon.

00:26:38.920 There's a lot going on here, a lot of politics back and forth.

00:26:41.500 And then these things are happening that he's writing about, which are

00:26:44.580 world changing and very important.

00:26:46.540 But it's just, it's a fascinating look at the Bible because it's a history book.

00:26:51.040 There are things happening.

00:26:51.940 It's a supernatural book.

00:26:53.560 And Matt has been able to, I mean, we opened up a studio in his coffee shop,

00:26:57.100 but he's been able to like, kind of hold us by the hand as like two dumb kids.

00:27:01.400 We're still like, you know, we're kind of like.

00:27:03.720 Ed Mabry did that.

00:27:04.580 Ed Mabry as well.

00:27:05.920 We just have a lot of bad behavior.

00:27:07.440 I've come along a lot further down the road, dude.

00:27:09.900 I hear the stories people tell me, like the OG fans, they tell me the old stories.

00:27:14.500 I'm like, wow, Ed was with you guys through all that to bring you like so far down the road.

00:27:18.580 So I got into it a lot later.

00:27:19.940 You guys were already.

00:27:20.620 As much though as, as like you kind of say, like it was, yeah, sure.

00:27:23.440 It was a conscious decision to try to be a better ambassador of Christ, you know,

00:27:28.060 to be a better representation of Christianity.

00:27:29.780 It kind of was less that and more, in my opinion, that if you earnestly seek God and you and you communicate with him and you ask, he works in your life.

00:27:39.760 And like the way that I've described it is like things that I thought were going to be painful to let go of.

00:27:46.200 They don't come off at once and they kind of fall off as you start moving.

00:27:51.320 It was super painful when we're like, we have set up and just kicking against the pricks the entire time.

00:27:55.900 We're like, we're setting up a studio here in this place.

00:27:58.600 And it's great because it's above a coffee shop and we can, you know, have our guests come in, have a coffee, go upstairs and interview them.

00:28:04.040 And it's like this.

00:28:05.080 It just seemed like the thing.

00:28:06.480 I was like, yeah, this is the way, right?

00:28:08.220 This is how, how we're supposed to do it.

00:28:10.580 And then God was like, no.

00:28:12.560 And then I walked into here.

00:28:13.640 Yeah, close, but no.

00:28:15.160 So it's actually, you're going to open up a studio inside of a coffee shop and the owner is going to ask you to do it.

00:28:19.940 And it's going to move forward in this weird community way.

00:28:22.880 And I was just like, that's cool.

00:28:24.160 Who the hell knew?

00:28:24.900 Yeah, it's insane.

00:28:25.940 It's actually, it's actually insane because it doesn't make any sense what's happening.

00:28:29.300 Yeah.

00:28:29.400 So now after that, we're not only do we have this live thing where audience members will come and see us, but Matt now does a show on our, on our channel called Straight Bible, which is like, we wanted to add something to what we do.

00:28:40.620 And I'm glad that we, we added that.

00:28:42.800 I do want to give some flowers to Matt.

00:28:45.200 He has an unbelievable ability to help people like me, which maybe are the illiterate, understand scripture in a way where I wasn't able to before.

00:28:54.960 That's cool.

00:28:55.580 So is Straight Bible the full name or is it, is it short for Straight Bible, No Chasers? 0.84

00:28:59.420 It's Straight Bible.

00:29:02.420 Straight Bible is the full name.

00:29:03.560 It's, it's on our channel.

00:29:04.720 And the audience loves it.

00:29:06.000 I mean, like I said, we, we're taking conspiracy theorists in who are Bible curious.

00:29:11.740 A lot of people are already there, but this is, you know, to, to be able to give that back, like, okay, God has helped us build this thing without God.

00:29:20.940 We wouldn't be able to build this thing.

00:29:22.740 Now we get to share his word with people.

00:29:25.080 I couldn't do it.

00:29:26.280 I have a specific skill set.

00:29:27.760 But, um, I don't know if Top could have done it, but he wasn't, you know, it was like when we found Matt, he, he filled a need in a, in a really huge way.

00:29:36.460 And also we, we sort of filled a need.

00:29:38.340 He's been doing Straight Bible in his bed, in your bedroom, right? 0.90

00:29:41.640 By yourself.

00:29:42.180 By yourself.

00:29:42.620 Yeah.

00:29:42.860 He doesn't understand cameras or microphones.

00:29:45.200 Well, yeah.

00:29:45.720 And little Bible studies and stuff.

00:29:48.000 Yeah.

00:29:48.420 But now he gets to talk to thousands of people.

00:29:50.400 Yeah.

00:29:50.880 No, that was cool.

00:29:51.640 Yeah.

00:29:52.040 Cause so for like a long time, I've gotten up early to study scripture and specifically to read from like Genesis to revelation.

00:29:58.560 And then once you finish revelation, go back to Genesis and read through to revelation and just continue doing that.

00:30:05.000 And then that's just been this really rad time to be alone with God.

00:30:07.900 Right.

00:30:08.160 And then all of a sudden there's this outlet for all of that to go somewhere, but then it's just a whole new time period.

00:30:15.260 Now it's just like me and the Lord used to have a lot of time alone with like no agenda.

00:30:19.640 It was just, we're talking about whatever we, we want to talk about.

00:30:22.500 And then now it's more specific.

00:30:24.120 Like we're doing episodes now on, uh, we're doing a series on the sermon on the Mount.

00:30:27.960 So it's like, it's not necessarily like first thing in the morning.

00:30:30.760 I'm like, Hey Lord, it's just me and you.

00:30:32.400 We're talking about anything we want it.

00:30:34.620 Now it's kind of shifted a little bit more to like, all right, I'm working through this series on sermon on the Mount, which it just is what it is.

00:30:39.820 I just think there's different phases in life, you know?

00:30:41.760 Yeah.

00:30:42.960 So how do you guys.

00:30:45.640 Yeah.

00:30:45.960 That's, that's, it sounds like a wonderful, uh, you know, divinely appointed little setup that, that God put you guys together.

00:30:50.840 So what, how do you guys handle in your studies and your shows?

00:30:54.940 Um, the concept of, you know, like what's generally called pseudepigraphal deuterocanonical books, like the, the books that I know we have, uh, the Western tradition is 66 books.

00:31:07.360 But a lot of times I hear you guys talking about content from books outside of those 66, uh, Matt, are you okay with that?

00:31:15.460 Do you, is that part of your studies as well?

00:31:17.020 How do you guys as a three, uh, as a, as a group, it's not, I mean, I'd say kicking and screaming, but no, go ahead.

00:31:24.200 No, I'm just saying it's not really my jam.

00:31:26.080 It's not really my specialty.

00:31:27.160 I've read Enoch.

00:31:28.000 It's interesting.

00:31:28.540 But, um, I just think that like, yeah, we've got our hands full with the 66 books, man.

00:31:34.180 Like there's so much content there.

00:31:36.100 Um, I'm intrigued in any kind of books that elaborate.

00:31:38.800 I mean, I guess I've read Jasher and, you know, a handful of other things, which Jasher is wild.

00:31:43.200 I'm like, was this just like a comic book of that day?

00:31:45.560 Like, well, this is the wildest book.

00:31:47.440 It is a wild book.

00:31:48.440 Right.

00:31:48.640 I studied it for many years cause I was kind of intrigued in a, in a, like, you know, you know, razor eyebrow, like the rock kind of intrigued, you know, like, like, wait a minute.

00:31:58.140 What's going on here.

00:31:58.900 They're running on top of corn stalks.

00:32:00.860 Uh, you've got, you know, August is big, so big that he can pick up a rock that can destroy all two, all 2 million Israelites at one time. 0.97

00:32:08.140 Like what's going on here.

00:32:09.360 Um, it just, and there was some dates and names and places that I wasn't seeing line up with Genesis.

00:32:14.920 And so I did some further in research and I don't know if you guys have ever seen any of our previous content on our channel, but for years, me and some other buddies, we do a show called honor of Kings.

00:32:23.660 And we investigate the manuscript chain of custody history, as well as the theological claims from these pseudepigraphal books.

00:32:29.960 And our, our investigation of Jasher got, got the thumbs down, um, because it looks to be tracing back just to a Talmudic rabbinic literature from the second century AD with no earlier manuscript chain of custody before that.

00:32:44.320 And there's so many theological contradictions with the actual canon of 66, you know, we, we're not like an official counselor or nothing, but like, uh, we don't, we don't grave any credence to the old school councils anyway.

00:32:55.380 Cause those are just a bunch of men that got together as well.

00:32:57.680 So, but we, we ended up giving it the thumbs down because we were like, man, it's just so many things that don't line up in here.

00:33:02.540 It's weird.

00:33:03.300 Um, it's making fallacious claims.

00:33:05.020 It's making sensational claims that seem to be even more sensational than you read in the book of Enoch.

00:33:10.160 And you're like, why, what other Christian communities throughout time ever included this?

00:33:14.700 And you find out none of them ever did.

00:33:16.400 And then you're like, oh, this is interesting.

00:33:17.920 But, um, but things like Enoch and Jubilees and the Testament 12 patriarchs, there is an interesting history with those three.

00:33:24.140 And all three of those works of literature, like thematically and theologically, all are congruent with the 66 and with each other.

00:33:31.660 And so that's what, um, we, we do pull from those a lot on our videos and our studies of the Nephilim and the watchers that rebelled.

00:33:39.420 And, you know, some of the concepts that we feel give us, give us extra details.

00:33:43.760 So for example, like if I was back in the days, you know, if I was like in the first century AD, um, I would be asking questions like, why is Jude quoting from first Enoch chapter one?

00:33:56.400 Right.

00:33:57.260 What, what's the deal here?

00:33:58.180 Right.

00:33:58.440 And I've had people come back to me and say, well, well, Paul quoted from Greek sex poets.

00:34:02.660 You can't just say, you can't just take everything they quote from.

00:34:04.880 I'm like, no, no, Jude is actually teaching theology by quoting this.

00:34:08.700 He's actually teaching about the second coming of Christ by quoting this, right.

00:34:12.300 Which, which Christ is all through the book of Enoch.

00:34:14.120 So it's, it's a fascinating, uh, concept.

00:34:17.000 Then I found out around the first, the end of the first century AD into the turn of the second century, there was a specific rabbi named Rabbi Akiva.

00:34:24.600 And he was the one that decided to quote unquote, close the Jewish canon.

00:34:29.080 And what he did was he took books like Enoch and Jubilees and he didn't call them heretical or he didn't even call them pseudepigraphal.

00:34:37.040 He just said, these are sacred writings, but I don't want the average person reading them.

00:34:41.880 So we're going to leave them out of the canon.

00:34:43.040 And they, and he referred to them as what's called the left out books or the outside books.

00:34:48.200 So there's an interesting modern day scholar.

00:34:50.720 Um, her name is, uh, she's like the head of the Hebrew university in Israel today.

00:34:54.520 Her name is, um, I'm going blank on her name.

00:34:57.020 My, my, uh, my audience knows guys put it in the live chat.

00:35:00.680 What's this, uh, um, Dr.

00:35:03.460 Uh, gosh, I can't, I'm going blank on her name, but she doesn't, she did a whole speech, like this very controversial speech, um, from her position as, uh, emeritus of the dead.

00:35:13.040 Dead Sea Scrolls, uh, professor emeritus of the Dead Sea Scrolls and research into this, this time period, the concept of this, uh, Hebrew history and the Hebrew literature.

00:35:22.320 And in her speech, this was like in 2016, I believe she basically said to all Rachel Eliar.

00:35:28.960 Thank you.

00:35:29.360 Symbol of peace.

00:35:30.020 Thank you, brother.

00:35:31.360 Rachel Eliar, Dr.

00:35:32.340 Rachel Eliar.

00:35:32.840 She said, um, basically like there was a very unique shift in early Judaism and first century to second century AD to where they started leaving out books.

00:35:42.600 Like Enoch Jubilees and the Testament of the Patriarchs.

00:35:45.320 And that's why Christian communities still put them in some of their canons, but yet the Jewish canon closed off and didn't keep them because of this rabbinic decision.

00:35:54.700 So like Enoch, do you have the idea what that rabbinic decision would have been like?

00:35:59.820 Why?

00:36:00.360 I mean, cause it sounds awfully nefarious, right?

00:36:02.260 We're going to keep the average person from having access to that.

00:36:04.560 What was the, the conventional explanation of that?

00:36:06.720 The idea, the, the, the commonly stated accusation was that the average person is not wise enough to read these.

00:36:13.920 Oh, it's going to cause too much problems with understanding.

00:36:17.760 And it's too difficult to explain it and all that.

00:36:19.460 It's basically them saying we're extremely lazy teachers and we don't want to go through the details with these people.

00:36:24.180 Um, but the more nefarious suspicion of it from scholars is that these books pointed towards fulfillment of prophecy for Christ and Judaism was clamping down because Christ was growing like wildfire and all in disciples of Christ was growing like wildfire.

00:36:37.360 And they were trying to clamp down.

00:36:38.640 This is why during around that same time, they made a final decree to kick all Christians out of the synagogues as well.

00:36:43.700 And so, um, but going then starting from that point forward into Christian history, you start to see like the Ethiopian church did include Enoch and Jubilees.

00:36:52.780 And then the Armenian church later included the Testament of 12 patriarchs, which also talks about the days of Enoch and giants and rebellious angels and taking women and wives and all that kind of stuff.

00:37:02.120 And so it's fascinating to me because fourth century AD, here comes this, this guy named Augustine, which I'm, you know, I'm, I'm the least fan of Augustine.

00:37:11.900 Like of all the church fathers, I think he was a problem.

00:37:13.680 I think he should have been taken out bat and beaked with lashes. 1.00

00:37:16.180 That dude should have been like removed from the public discourse.

00:37:18.900 He just caused a whole bunch of theological issues.

00:37:21.040 And he's the one who started this narrative that you hear from some churches about the sons of Seth.

00:37:26.220 He's the one who started this narrative because he, he did not like a literal spiritual interaction of spiritual beings with the earth because he came from a previous Manichaean background, which is a Gnostic philosophy background.

00:37:39.500 The Gnostic philosophy doesn't believe the spiritual world can interact with the physical world.

00:37:42.800 And so he didn't like what Genesis six was saying, very clearly saying he didn't like the idea that Job wanted to identify the sons of God and not sons of Seth or none of that.

00:37:54.940 And so he creates this other narrative to reinterpret it in the same way he tried to reinterpret the story to Adam and Eve.

00:38:00.920 And he said, that was just allegory.

00:38:02.320 That wasn't literal, completely ignoring the genealogical record of Genesis five, Genesis 11 and Matthew, you know, so like, so he has some issues, you know, I do a deep dive study on my channel with the church fathers and stuff.

00:38:13.920 And he had some issues, but that picked up over time.

00:38:17.580 And now you see it most prominently taught from the Southern Baptist Association and the Southern Baptist seminaries, the sons of Seth theory.

00:38:25.660 And we actually, we interviewed a Baptist pastor and yeah, it was the crux of the argument or the interview was basically sons of Seth versus Elohim.

00:38:36.640 And he just had based his reasoning was like, yeah, I just don't believe that.

00:38:40.420 And that was it. It was just, I disagree.

00:38:41.620 I was like, well, look at the translation here. Look at Psalm 81. Look at this, look at this.

00:38:44.840 And he's just like, yeah, I disagree. And I was like, all right, cool. We'll just move on.

00:38:47.840 He's mostly concerned about gay people not being able to be redeemed.

00:38:51.060 That was his. Yeah, that was his whole back.

00:38:52.620 I actually have a question for you.

00:38:54.400 We recently came across some of Josephus's writing and he was writing around, I don't know, like what, like 70 AD or something like that.

00:39:02.280 Right around the time when the book of Jude should have been penned as well.

00:39:06.620 Did you say Josephus?

00:39:08.560 Josephus.

00:39:09.340 Okay.

00:39:09.720 Yeah.

00:39:09.920 Cause he was a like one 30 to one 50 historian second century.

00:39:14.780 Okay. So, um, and, uh, the book of Jude should have been written around 80, right?

00:39:21.240 I have to look it up, but I think so.

00:39:23.920 Okay. Similar.

00:39:24.860 It's not, it's not one of the earlier ones. It was one of the later ones.

00:39:27.580 Yeah.

00:39:27.980 Right. Right.

00:39:28.600 They, they use the same phrase for, uh, in Jude 10, when they're talking about brute beasts, uh, that they, they know naturally as brute beasts and those things, they corrupt themselves.

00:39:39.260 But when Josephus uses brute beasts, he's talking about, uh, like animal human hybrids kind of stuff.

00:39:46.820 And it just leaves me to wonder, I don't know much about Josephus or the veracity of his writings, but people claim that he has some of the best historical context of the things that happened within the new Testament.

00:39:58.180 Cause he's writing, we've got them in the J section here.

00:40:01.260 I don't, I don't read much of Josephus.

00:40:02.860 I read a little bit, but we've got them in the J section.

00:40:05.220 I forget which, which book it was, uh, it's got a main book.

00:40:09.120 Do you know anything about this though?

00:40:10.840 I've, I've heard interpretations from revelation along that line where they take the first and second beast and they try to say, well, references to the first beast, uh, implies within the Greek and implies some sort of hybrid, some sort of, uh, mixture, uh, creature versus.

00:40:26.680 So like in the book of Enoch, the, um, the usage of the word beast is for a person who's lawless, basically someone who's rejected God and is living lawlessly.

00:40:35.840 And then the, the concept of a person like in the allegory in first Enoch, the allegory of all the animals, it's like the original animal, animal farm, uh, George Orwell, you absolute plagiarist.

00:40:45.880 Um, he basically like, he basically, it's like the, the animals become men once they trust God and start walking with God in this allegory in, in Enoch, whereas the beasts who reject God, they're considered beasts who are lawless.

00:41:00.960 And so some people will take that for like a Daniel translation when it talks about a man of lawlessness or the lawless and then the second Thessalonians.

00:41:08.000 And then I've heard other people try to infer that it's a different Greek word used in revelation for the first beast to imply some sort of hybrid.

00:41:14.920 So I just, I've just never found definitive like studies to prove one right or the other.

00:41:21.220 Yeah.

00:41:21.580 Cause this, we, we, on straight Bible, we did a, well, a read through the, not a read through, a pretty thorough dissecting of the book of Jude.

00:41:29.040 And that one, uh, verse 10 always stood out to me.

00:41:31.700 I'm like, that's not, it doesn't sit right.

00:41:33.180 Like the, the vocabulary in it never, uh, sat right with me.

00:41:37.780 Like I, I've always looked back at it and said, what do you, what do you mean by that?

00:41:41.200 And what exactly?

00:41:41.960 Cause this book is loaded.

00:41:43.400 Yeah, it is like, especially, why'd you guys, what'd you guys handle or how'd you, how'd you handle, how'd you come to a conclusion on when Jude mentions, uh, Satan and Satan and Michael arguing over the body of Moses, which is from the Testament of Moses.

00:41:58.140 Testament of Moses.

00:41:58.800 I have no idea.

00:41:59.620 This is the verse before it.

00:42:00.660 So what is that about?

00:42:02.260 I don't know.

00:42:02.820 I never read it in the Testament of Moses.

00:42:04.480 I've just seen references to it.

00:42:06.060 I've never read the Testament of Moses, but it was just like, I don't, I don't know.

00:42:10.220 It's like the more intriguing thing is like, why did they argue over it?

00:42:13.320 Does the, does the Testament of Moses get into that, Sean?

00:42:15.980 It supposedly has the story that it doesn't say the why, but just, it just is the reference that Jude gives if they were arguing over the body.

00:42:23.100 Now I could just in my own imagination, come up with a ton of reasons why Satan would want that body.

00:42:27.480 And when the full people, you know, claim he resurrected or build an image to his likeness and have people worship it, you know, as if modern day Judaism doesn't already worship Moses.

00:42:36.040 But, but, but the point is like, I can imagine a ton of reasons why it would, but it just doesn't definitively say.

00:42:43.640 Yeah.

00:42:44.420 Because ultimately he's not, I don't think Moses has ever described as any kind of special genealogy of any kind.

00:42:50.880 He's not like, you know, he's not like a Nephilim. 0.99

00:42:54.180 He's not like a fallen root, you know, or a base angel or nothing like that.

00:42:57.120 So, but it's interesting because the Testament of Moses, you're like, well, that's not in anybody's canon throughout history.

00:43:03.160 What's going on with that?

00:43:04.460 You know what I mean?

00:43:05.460 So you make statues of Moses, sorry to interrupt, like the statues, he has horns on his head.

00:43:10.700 And I don't know what that's about either.

00:43:14.340 Are those like in the Middle East?

00:43:16.700 Yeah.

00:43:17.060 What, for, first of all, I would say that anyone that's making an idol to Moses hasn't read the Bible and they're just clearly adopting their bad mentality and trying to honor Moses.

00:43:29.540 Right.

00:43:30.120 But secondly, the horn concept that they would put on certain statues was to signify rulership.

00:43:36.180 So this is why, like, you know, you, um, this is why, in my opinion, Daniel is making such a do about the little horn that's being referenced because he's the one who actually is the most important to look at, even though he's got a little horn because he is a ruler who others who's, who's taking over other kingdoms and nations.

00:43:54.760 So, um, sorry, go ahead.

00:43:57.660 I was just going to say, but that concept of, uh, you know, worshiping like something good, like we already have that, uh, you know, the, uh, serpent.

00:44:06.440 Made a brass that Moses put on a pole.

00:44:08.500 Like we have that story where he did that.

00:44:10.260 And anyone who looked upon it would be saved.

00:44:12.120 And then you get into like, it must be one Kings or two Kings or one or two Chronicles somewhere in there that they were worshiping it.

00:44:18.460 Now that Israel was worshiping that actual pole. 0.99

00:44:21.500 Uh, and then was it Hezekiah that said, called it Nehusiastan.

00:44:25.460 I think it is something like that.

00:44:26.460 He said, yo, this is just a thing of brass.

00:44:28.520 This is just a thing.

00:44:29.620 And then he destroyed it.

00:44:30.780 But so like, you could see where, yeah, they had the actual body of Moses, you know, who knows what?

00:44:36.180 They would have did with it.

00:44:36.920 Well, it's like, they supposedly have the, the severed or the skull of, of Mary Magdalene or the body of Nimrod somewhere.

00:44:43.940 Yeah.

00:44:44.180 Yeah.

00:44:44.560 Yeah.

00:44:44.780 Well, I mean, there's a bunch of these things that, yeah, they make.

00:44:46.840 Supposedly they got John the Baptist's was his foot or his hand.

00:44:50.900 They got one of the, one of the five footers and yeah.

00:44:53.660 And then it's in a museum and they worship it.

00:44:56.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.340 Yeah.

00:44:56.620 They had Mary Magdalene school.

00:44:58.140 You mean like pickled pig's feet in the hood?

00:44:59.820 It's like a gas station.

00:45:01.160 Have you ever seen like a flood?

00:45:02.640 That's crazy.

00:45:03.680 Quite a quarter for you.

00:45:05.620 This is old school carnival.

00:45:07.960 Oh no.

00:45:09.020 Yeah.

00:45:09.300 And then they're, they're worshiping it.

00:45:10.800 Uh, let me see if I could find this Mary Magdalene skull.

00:45:13.120 You've never seen this image, Matt.

00:45:14.220 Well, I mean, guys, this is this, this is like mankind.

00:45:17.080 This is what the unclean spirits influence mankind to, to behave as.

00:45:19.920 I mean, we've got dudes praying to a wall in Israel and you've got, you've got Muslims walking circles around a box and playing to, praying to a black stone. 1.00

00:45:28.660 Um, right.

00:45:30.300 Did you guys know, by the way, we have a stone has a history, by the way, what's the history of it?

00:45:36.200 Is it supposedly, uh, uh, uh, that it fell from the sky now?

00:45:39.560 Yeah.

00:45:40.080 Yeah.

00:45:40.360 So not only do we have a first mention of an X 19, but there was a Roman emperor in the third century AD.

00:45:46.140 His name was El Gabala and he was from Syria and he actually came, became a Roman emperor and tried to force out Zeus or Jupiter worship and replace it with the Syrian sun.

00:45:56.400 God, El Gabala's whom El Gabala was the guy's name who became emperor.

00:46:01.680 And he was the high priest to the God, El Gabala's the Syrian sun.

00:46:05.880 God.

00:46:06.180 And when he took over the Roman empire, he tried to force out Jupiter worship and replace it with his God.

00:46:11.320 Right.

00:46:11.640 Cause he was the high priest to his God and it caused a huge stir.

00:46:14.820 He ended up dying shortly because people turned on him.

00:46:17.080 But the point is he had a parade for the four years.

00:46:20.320 He was emperor.

00:46:20.960 Every summer he had a parade with the black stone on a cart that he carried through the city and, and that worshiped the black stone.

00:46:27.820 And he brought that there was a temple to that black stone in Syria, which, which, um, was an Arab settlement.

00:46:34.680 Anyway, there's a whole history there.

00:46:36.200 There's a whole history of that stupid black stone. 0.91

00:46:38.280 And, and this is where, um, people literally are worshiping rocks.

00:46:42.080 Like this is what the unclean spirits will cause you to devolve into.

00:46:45.400 It's absolute, uh, profound stupidity, you know, where you're worshiping a rock.

00:46:50.040 It's a weird time because right now you have, uh, uh, Candace Owens and, and Nick Fuentes, right?

00:46:55.520 They're like these big kind of characters that aren't necessarily in our space like this kind.

00:47:00.740 I mean, they're, they're within Catholicism, they're not in conspiracy, but they've been going in that direction lately.

00:47:06.320 And, you know, not only has, uh, Candace Owens been kind of introducing people to the idea of like, uh, astral projection and, and, uh, reptilians, time travel, et cetera, which I, I'm curious more so less about those topics and more so about the audience that that's reaching now.

00:47:21.820 Who wasn't really getting that before.

00:47:23.700 And, um, I saw Nick Fuentes talking about, you know, the rock and, and how, well, the, you know, the, the Muslims were taught by Satan that this is a representation of the black cube of Saturn. 0.70

00:47:37.280 That's like, Hey, he goes, how did the, how did the Muslims know that there was a hexagonal storm on Saturn's North pole? 0.69

00:47:44.460 And he goes, cause Satan told him.

00:47:46.680 And look, I mean, if you want to hash out the details of it, that's one thing.

00:47:50.740 And it's more fascinating to me, the, the audience that this information is reaching, it feels like we're in this time where like knowledge that's, it's a cold knowledge.

00:48:00.780 Yeah.

00:48:01.120 And it's reaching an audience that previously was entirely unaware of this.

00:48:05.560 They're glomming onto these characters because they're compelling political characters.

00:48:09.140 So the bar for entry is super low.

00:48:11.420 You get in there to have this, you know, political point of view.

00:48:14.320 And all of a sudden they're serving you up this esoteric knowledge.

00:48:17.100 And, you know, everything is just in such flux right now with, you have UAP disclosure, whether or not that's going to happen.

00:48:23.660 And, and, you know, these Epstein files, it's like all at once, if you want to use, you could use the analogy of a veil getting pulled back.

00:48:32.480 And I don't know if that's such a great thing because I think the vast majority of people are unequipped to understand these things.

00:48:39.260 And I'm not saying that I understand them.

00:48:40.400 I'm just saying there is a real danger with misunderstanding these things or leaning on your own understanding and coming to the wrong conclusions on these matters.

00:48:49.400 That was, uh, I guess that's a bit of our crux of argument with Alvarino at the time.

00:48:55.180 Yeah.

00:48:55.960 Uh, it, it wasn't so much about any of the points he's bringing forward, but more about why are you not constantly leaning back or the whistleblowers that you're talking to?

00:49:08.440 They're not approaching this research through the lens of Jesus Christ.

00:49:12.220 And, you know, the answers that we got back from him were, I I'd say largely unsatisfactory, but I don't even know, I don't want to control your show and like steer it in a weird direction.

00:49:21.400 No, but I understand what you're saying.

00:49:24.860 Yeah.

00:49:25.280 I heard Candace talking about how she was relaying a conversation she had with Charlie about how they both astral projected and didn't know what it was and that kind of stuff.

00:49:34.320 And I'm, and I'm sitting there going like, why isn't whoever, cause I believe Candace has become Catholic.

00:49:39.840 So like whoever is her Bishop needs to sit down with her and start to explain to her, Hey, you know, if this is something you did experience previous in your life, this is not something we want to promote now.

00:49:49.560 Right.

00:49:49.920 Because this is definitely not, not something we want to be teaching Christians that is, should be normal, be thought of as normal.

00:49:55.240 So, um, so yeah, I think that there's, um, I, I just don't know how, how involved when people say they become Catholic, I don't know how involved they are with their bishops or priests or whatever for counseling guidance, you know, I don't know their structure.

00:50:07.660 Um, but I think it's interesting about the overload of information that you're talking about, especially like with the Epstein files.

00:50:12.940 It reminds me of a, of a quote from George Orwell's 1984, by the way, I know it's not scripture, but I love that book.

00:50:18.560 Um, because I, it was like one of the first books that I read as a kid that really impacted me, but there's a quote he says in here when he's trying to like,

00:50:25.220 dissect and explain, uh, the, the, the overflow of knowledge leading to less sanity.

00:50:32.520 Yeah.

00:50:33.100 And he says, and the quote is in general, the greater the understanding, the greater the delusion, the more intelligent, the less sane.

00:50:41.400 And so this is, yeah, this is a concept where they're like, Oh, you want, you want to know what all the elites are doing?

00:50:49.000 You don't know what the, the, the ways of the world, you don't know behind the scenes mechanisms that drive reality.

00:50:54.120 Here's all of it.

00:50:54.940 You're not going to understand 10% of it.

00:50:56.900 Here's all of it.

00:50:57.640 And in fact, as you grasp to understand, because we're not going to give you the context, we're not going to give you the connecting details that make it make sense.

00:51:04.680 And so as you grasp for understanding with all this overload of info, you're going to sound crazy.

00:51:10.120 Yeah.

00:51:10.540 And meanwhile, they just push their own narrative.

00:51:12.100 Well, that's the thing that I'm, I'm worried.

00:51:14.840 So, you know, that great, uh, context that you're talking about, that great connective tissue for me was Jesus Christ.

00:51:20.360 It was the thing that pulled all of these conspiratorial elements into a frame that, that made a lot more sense.

00:51:25.720 Um, and I wonder for all these people who aren't grounded in Christ now, there's, there's, there's one form of, let's say, following Christ where you lack still the framework to incorporate this into it.

00:51:39.720 And then it throws your faith into flux.

00:51:41.480 And, and that's something that I'm concerned about, you know, um, during this time, the, the, the new age points to this time where there's going to be a consolidation of religions, a falling away from Christianity and the multitudes of religion, and then an adherence to one conglomerative, uh, religion that's typically under some sort of what alien presence or something.

00:51:59.820 And I think it's fascinating that we're on the, on the cusp of that right now.

00:52:02.700 I also think it's fascinating that 1948 was written, well, it's written between 1945 released in 1948, bulk of the work done in 19, 1948 and, uh, 1947 to 1950 is a really interesting time period for America.

00:52:17.900 When we're talking about all of these things, the conspiracy writ large, everything in the Epstein files was kind of developed.

00:52:24.800 And I mean, from our knowledge from 1947 on, that's when you have scrolls is that time period.

00:52:30.520 It isn't, that's the implementation of Israel, you name it, whatever the, the Truman doctrine, everything happened at that time period.

00:52:37.560 CIA starts right after that.

00:52:38.900 Yeah.

00:52:39.220 It's, yeah, it's a weird, it's a weird time.

00:52:41.360 But the other thing that, uh, concerns me, you know, obviously, right.

00:52:44.800 Like you said, with more information, it's, it's, it's not exactly wisdom, uh, and understanding that comes with it.

00:52:50.360 It's, it's, it's more confusion typically.

00:52:52.480 And I think if you're going through this whole conspiracy Avenue, as I have for a long time, if you're not constantly allowing yourself to admit that you don't know anything, because every time something is revealed to you, it's only a revelation of how much you didn't understand previously.

00:53:08.240 Therefore, you're probably in a constant state of not understanding the whole picture.

00:53:12.660 If you can stay grounded in that and not lean on your own intellect and not imagine that you know beyond what the average person does, then you might be able to have some sanity through this.

00:53:22.040 If not, if you begin to believe that your own intellect can carry you to the finish line, I do really believe that that's what leads to madness.

00:53:29.000 But what happens when you have a revelation that not only causes confusion, but it causes, um, this spiritual negativity to fall upon you.

00:53:39.160 In other words, we're showing to you the horrors of mankind, which by the way, is that's the world, right?

00:53:45.140 And it's always been that way.

00:53:46.260 You go through the Bible.

00:53:47.080 They've always been worshiping fallen gods.

00:53:49.200 They've always been sacrificing, uh, you know, humans, children.

00:53:52.600 There's been, uh, slavery and all these horrific things that have taken place.

00:53:56.440 The world is in a constant state of that.

00:53:59.160 And so all that's happening now is it'll be revealed to you that that is still the case.

00:54:03.220 Um, but these things are going to, what they're going to evoke.

00:54:06.720 We were just talking about this with Ed Mabry on the last episode we did right before we came here.

00:54:10.660 Um, sadness, fear, anger, rage, right?

00:54:14.600 And these things are, this is what demonic entities, things that are in the spiritual realm that are in opposition to God.

00:54:22.560 They want you to be in this state.

00:54:24.160 If you're not grounded in Christ in a real meaningful way, and you're going through this, the, the information overload creates that madness and the, the, the spiritual heaviness of all this.

00:54:36.740 I mean, I don't think that, um, people say they want the Epstein files and I'm not saying that you shouldn't know the truth, but I'm just saying, if you're not grounded in Christ and if you've not been aware of this for some time, I was blessed to have come upon these, these elements when there wasn't like a real sense of urgency.

00:54:56.560 I would not want to find it all out at once.

00:55:00.420 I don't think that.

00:55:02.100 Well, even in the occult, they, that's why they have, you know, the, the degrees, right?

00:55:06.560 The degrees of knowledge that they teach.

00:55:08.260 And then within their initiation ritual, you, you learn by degree because they know the average initiate can't handle all of it.

00:55:14.240 By the way, guys, did you know, I don't know how often you guys delve into the Septuagint translation, but there's actually in Deuteronomy 23, 17 and the Septuagint.

00:55:23.400 And it actually mentions initiates, which I thought was fascinating.

00:55:28.540 So, um, it basically just, it, like the Masoretic text, which is the most predominant text.

00:55:33.080 Most, most, most of us read in English.

00:55:35.520 Um, it, it says, uh, you know, do not let your sons or daughters become prostitutes and, uh, do not let your men be, um, what does it say? 0.63

00:55:42.360 I think you don't know what the sons of Israel.

00:55:44.940 Yeah.

00:55:45.860 Let me just go ahead and read it real quick, but it's, um, it's fascinating because it completely leaves this part out, but you have to read the Septuagint to see.

00:55:53.400 It's in Deuteronomy 23, verse 17.

00:55:56.460 And, um, and I do believe it's talking about the secret initiation cults.

00:56:01.180 Um, so it says in the Masoretic, no, no daughter or son of Israel is to be a shrine prostitute.

00:56:05.540 And that's all it says, just that one line.

00:56:07.800 But if you look at the Masoretic, it says, um, it says there shall not be a harlot of the daughters of Israel and there shall not be a fornicator of the sons of Israel.

00:56:18.380 And there shall not be an idolatrous of the daughters of Israel.

00:56:21.260 And they're not, and there shall not be an initiated person of the sons of Israel. 0.83

00:56:26.180 Initiated person.

00:56:26.980 Well, what, what do we learn from Jamie Dyer about, about the, the females in the, in these temples and these pagan temples, they're like prostitutes, but they're also almost like priests.

00:56:36.240 There's like a weird overlapping of, uh, idols here.

00:56:39.800 And then you, you just said fornication as well, which is a word that I was trying to explain to Matt poorly that fornication doesn't, doesn't necessarily mean, uh, sex outside of marriage.

00:56:49.740 It's speaking of a spiritual sexual sin, which is the, I mean, read the Epstein files.

00:56:54.500 It seems like what they, what the elite, it was a part of their, I'm going to address what you're saying.

00:56:59.960 Plus the question in the comments here, it's a part of the, the ancient idol ritual, ritual worship, which was, it wasn't just simply, they brought a vow offering of grain or a lamb or something.

00:57:08.720 They did those two, but then after they gave their offering to that God, they engaged in libations and usually drug use.

00:57:15.540 And then some sort of sexual activity, whether it was with the male or female prostitute, whether it was an orgy in the back room or whether it was eating or drinking children's blood or sacrificing their own child for, for prosperity.

00:57:26.160 So like it was, the whole thing was nasty, but many of them, they had a, a, a ritual called leaping over the threshold.

00:57:33.060 And you see this mentioned in, uh, I think it's, um, I want to say it's in either first Kings or, or first Chronicles, but there's a, or maybe it's Isaiah.

00:57:42.500 I can't remember the exact address right now, but, uh, there's a, there's an ancient concept about leaping over the threshold.

00:57:48.100 And that was a part of the initiation into the cults.

00:57:50.660 And I don't know how much study you guys have done on Freemasons, but that is literally their first and second steps to be initiated as a Freemason is they claim that once you step over the threshold into their Masonic temple, you are agreeing to all the things that you're about to be initiated into.

00:58:06.140 I think there's something like that tied in with, was it with Dagon because they took the, uh, was when they took the Ark of the covenant back, they put it in the same, uh, section with Dagon, the fish head and then boom, he fell over.

00:58:18.800 It's interesting though, because in the spiritual realm, everything is based off of consent, but you give consent, dude.

00:58:24.100 But another thing I did kind of want to, uh, go back to a little bit though, we're talking about like all this release of this stuff and all this information and this overload of information in Psalms one, it talks about like, um, the council of the ungodly.

00:58:36.260 And I just think we live in a day and a time where we just all have to be so mindful about the council of the ungodly.

00:58:41.700 Cause it's not necessarily what you would call like good or bad council, right?

00:58:45.460 Like you, but you just have all these dudes, it could be Joe Rogan.

00:58:48.700 It could be the guy, Elon Musk.

00:58:50.160 It could be Laird Hamilton.

00:58:51.800 If you're into that kind of thing or, uh, Goggins or Cam Haynes, it could be these dudes.

00:58:56.260 It's like good, maybe it's good for your life or whatever, but it's still the council of the ungodly.

00:59:00.640 And we just have to be mindful of like balancing that out with like the council of God.

00:59:04.960 Like that's the main thing right now is as we're all this information is just being downloaded on everybody, just like keeping it in the context of the word of God.

00:59:13.160 And this is why we keep Matt on the third seat because we will spin off into crazy and it's so easy to do if you don't have this, uh, this firm foundation or this center stone that you can go.

00:59:25.640 Okay.

00:59:25.760 We have to come back to that.

00:59:27.520 Yeah.

00:59:27.860 Like we can touch the edges a little bit, but man, don't go too far and make sure you get back to, to stasis.

00:59:33.960 You know, with this release though, I don't think that they, they necessarily want people to be uninitiated.

00:59:40.840 I think that they are making great efforts to initiate the public.

00:59:45.260 It seems like a lot of what they hope to do in the occult or let's say even within the intelligence agencies and their operations, like MKUltra and things like that.

00:59:52.880 People are familiar with that.

00:59:54.080 They hope to do it at scale.

00:59:55.500 And so what you see happening in, in, let's say a Masonic lodge or what you see happening in, uh, in an intelligence agency, you know, uh, sterile laboratory environment, they do hope to implement that at scale, you know, to the masses.

01:00:12.180 And I think that with the, with the ritual that, that, uh, allows you to sort of like, they use Jacob's ladder as their analogy for climbing the rungs of ladder.

01:00:20.640 And this is, uh, you know, each one represents a new level of gnosis.

01:00:25.040 Um, they do that to us, but they do it through media mostly.

01:00:30.060 I would say now they do it through like, yeah, the Superbowl is a great example, large traumatic events, right.

01:00:35.620 Could be a trauma sort of loose harvesting thing.

01:00:38.920 But I also think, you know, the, the, the, the twin towers, for example, representing like the divine feminine and the divine masculine, you know, they, they become eliminated.

01:00:47.980 And then what is erected instead is, is one tower, this joining of the, the genders.

01:00:52.100 It also is a, is a multitude of other things like most things in ritual are, but it's, it's, we're subjected to it at scale.

01:01:00.000 So yeah, the Superbowl, you might be exposed to like, let's say the last Superbowl, they did a quite a bit of like divine feminine symbolism, right.

01:01:08.260 And, and it goes over the vast majority of people's heads.

01:01:10.720 I do wonder about the subconscious.

01:01:13.020 Um, that goes back to the Deuteronomy, uh, in the Septuagint that you're pointing at this, uh, the idea of prostitution in the temple is worship of the divine feminine.

01:01:21.140 It kind of always goes back to Isis, or I forget the other names of the gods that were being deified in these temples.

01:01:27.160 Astartes was the female, uh, fertility God. 0.94

01:01:31.140 Right.

01:01:31.540 So with oftentimes worshiped alongside on bail or, or, or L the,

01:01:36.500 It's funny too, because these, uh, these divine feminine kind of, you know, goddess, uh, archetypes, what they typically will, you know, it's, it espouses a female liberation. 1.00

01:01:47.280 But when you look around, there's like prostitution and sex slavery and everything.

01:01:50.180 And it's, it's funny how those things go hand in hand, because if the same thing happens in the West now, what you think is like the, the height of the, the feminist movement and, and this, you know, divine feminine female liberation thing often results in some sort of, uh, you know, sex trafficking, prostitution.

01:02:07.640 And these things are, are, uh, presented in some ways as like sexual liberation.

01:02:12.300 It's just funny.

01:02:13.140 The, the language of things is almost like spellcasting, which is really what the Exodus 32 chapter that we broke down, uh, last week or the week before, like Moses comes down the mountain and they got the golden calf.

01:02:23.300 And then it says that they're like, and the King James, I think it says that they're like, uh, eating and, uh, dancing and playing something to that extent.

01:02:30.180 Sean could probably understand that a little bit more than we do.

01:02:32.480 Yeah.

01:02:32.580 Look up the definition of that word play.

01:02:34.220 Like, yeah, that had to be some sexual, uh, thing to a false God specifically, right?

01:02:39.960 Yeah.

01:02:40.380 They, they did worship bill a hundred percent.

01:02:42.060 Now there's a, you know, I, I'm what you would, many people would class me as what you would call tour observance just because I, I try to observe the Sabbath and eat clean.

01:02:51.420 But, um.

01:02:52.480 A group here just finished, started to cut you off, but that, but that's a group we have every Friday, same thing, man.

01:02:57.100 And they had a, they had a, um, there was actually a feast here last week.

01:03:00.840 It's not, she said it's not a biblical feast, but it's something that's celebrated now.

01:03:04.080 Do you know, do you know what that was?

01:03:06.120 Would have been last Friday?

01:03:07.840 Hmm.

01:03:08.500 No.

01:03:09.740 Okay.

01:03:10.000 Just this last Friday.

01:03:11.000 We have a group every Friday that, that does the same thing.

01:03:13.460 Lisa rules.

01:03:14.160 And top's been to it too.

01:03:15.280 Top likes it.

01:03:15.900 Yeah.

01:03:16.120 It's cool.

01:03:16.640 She teaches like, uh, the biblical calendar, the, the feast days, the, you know, the appointed times.

01:03:21.720 Yeah.

01:03:21.980 Yeah.

01:03:22.160 Yeah.

01:03:22.360 Yeah.

01:03:23.160 I'm not sure what calendar she's on.

01:03:25.040 If she's doing a feast last Friday, other than just the weekly Sabbath, because, because Leviticus 23 calls both the weekly Sabbath plus all the yearly feasts.

01:03:32.680 It calls them all feasts of God and holy convocations.

01:03:35.760 But, um, but basically like I, uh, in, in that community of people that, you know, would be classified as that, um, they often, um, I've just went blank.

01:03:48.360 What were we talking about guys?

01:03:49.240 Sorry, you were Torah observant and we were talking about how we have a group here that, that does it, uh, every week too.

01:03:55.880 No, I apologize.

01:03:56.580 It was something that, um, I think divine feminine.

01:03:58.920 We were talking about that earlier and, and how that's, uh, Exodus 32.

01:04:02.740 Yeah.

01:04:03.300 So there's a, there's a, some prominent Torah based ministries that for about a decade or more have taught a different interpretation of Exodus 32.

01:04:11.480 And we, we strongly disagree with it because like, I do a lot of historical research on these false gods and the golden calendar.

01:04:19.240 The cap that they built at the base of Mount Sinai, Exodus 32 is another representation of the Apis pool. 0.99

01:04:25.540 It's another representation of Baal that Egypt did worship Baal. 0.55

01:04:29.260 There's an entire, it's Exodus 14, Baal's a fawn. 1.00

01:04:31.760 There was an entire temple, um, on top of the mountain overlooking the, the place of the red cross, the red sea crossing.

01:04:37.800 Is this interchangeable with Hathor?

01:04:40.020 Well, Hathor would be the female personification of the consort to Baal. 0.94

01:04:45.040 So like they would call their wives consorts and then they would make up a whole bunch of them

01:04:48.860 and have different personifications of them.

01:04:50.780 So I don't know if you're, are you familiar with this phenomenon that's taking place right now?

01:04:55.200 It's, it's prominent within the UAP community.

01:04:58.100 Um, but there are characters, Ryan Bledsoe and Chris Bledsoe.

01:05:00.880 So, uh, it seems like they're, they're moving towards disclosure.

01:05:03.540 I know we've been saying that for quite some time, but what's fascinating is these guys are,

01:05:07.960 um, loud voices within the UAP community.

01:05:11.880 And they have a message recently to deliver.

01:05:15.140 And it is that, uh, Ryan Bledsoe, the father is in communication with something that he calls

01:05:20.140 the lady and the lady, he is telling people is mother Mary, but she goes by multitudes

01:05:26.660 of names.

01:05:27.480 One of those names being Hathor, which I think is, is fascinating.

01:05:31.740 Um, super red flag, huge red flag.

01:05:34.820 But I do think Sean, that it's actually going to play if we do end up going to this place

01:05:39.080 where we see UFO disclosure, um, the divine feminine, the goddess.

01:05:43.680 And if you think about our culture and, and where we've gotten to with the feminist movement,

01:05:48.340 uh, the feminization of men, the, the masculinization of women, um, I, I feel like in some way, shape

01:05:55.560 or form, the groundwork is kind of being laid for this phenomenon.

01:05:58.860 Uh, a lot of abductee experiencers will talk about the lady. 0.94

01:06:04.380 Um, for example, Ryan Bledsoe, it's actually kind of horrifying what he's been through.

01:06:08.500 If you believe what he's been through, but he says something to the effect of he was beset

01:06:12.320 upon plagued effectively by grays for a while.

01:06:15.600 And then what ends up happening is in a good cop, bad cop sort of scenario, he meets the lady

01:06:20.620 and the lady is, you know, loving and very similar to, um, uh, what's this guy's name

01:06:27.040 with the UAP recovery, Jake Barber, Jake Barber, who's recovering this egg shape UAP.

01:06:31.580 This takes place like last year, it's on the news.

01:06:33.940 And, uh, he says in the interview about the recovery of this UAP, that is suddenly he's

01:06:39.660 filled with this, this spirit of this woman.

01:06:42.380 And it feels loving, overwhelming amounts of love, uh, like a goddess is how he describes

01:06:47.260 it.

01:06:47.420 And I think this character is going to come, uh, play a part in this, but in a good cop,

01:06:52.000 bad cop sort of scenario, she's, she exposes to Ryan Bledsoe in his own testimony that

01:06:56.400 she controls the grays and that she can make this stop.

01:07:00.540 Um, in this experience, he's also shown his family, I believe murdered.

01:07:05.600 Um, and so there's this element of fear.

01:07:07.760 There's this element of, if you don't go forth and, and spread this information, you know,

01:07:12.720 then this is something that could happen to you.

01:07:14.300 So now he's out here and he's saying to people that this is Mary, which is interesting because

01:07:18.880 it kind of brings into question the, the Fatima experience, you know, where, where Mary

01:07:22.820 supposedly, uh, shows herself to multitudes of people. 1.00

01:07:26.020 I think it's like, uh, 7,000 people.

01:07:28.800 And, um, and there's even a, an element of a craft, a spinning silver disc that's involved

01:07:34.500 in this scenario.

01:07:35.620 Uh, somehow there's, and this could be one of the huge, uh, downfalls with idol worship.

01:07:41.760 I know that the Catholic church came out not long ago.

01:07:44.040 I don't know if this is still standing, but they called Mary co-redeemer alongside Christ.

01:07:49.180 Um, this is a huge problem.

01:07:52.240 If you're idolizing Mary, queen of heaven, right.

01:07:55.360 Um, if you're idolizing Mary and all of a sudden something slips in and not, not to say that

01:08:02.100 something couldn't impersonate Christ.

01:08:03.320 I do think that that's a real, uh, you know, real threat for people.

01:08:06.780 There's all kinds of ideas like Pleiadian Jesus and, and new age Jesus and this and that.

01:08:11.980 Um, but it's just another hole in the game.

01:08:14.460 If you're engaging in idol worship, if Mary is your idol of choice and a thing comes down

01:08:18.440 posing as Mary also going by the name, uh, Ishtar, which is one of the names that, that,

01:08:23.900 um, Ryan Bledsoe gave and Hathor, uh, as well as mother Mary and the lady.

01:08:28.600 So it's a, it's a bizarre phenomenon, but it's this divine feminine. 0.89

01:08:33.220 Yeah, that is consistent with the ancient, uh, depictions of, of, of Isis and Hathor

01:08:38.300 and Ishtar.

01:08:39.820 Now Ishtar would just been like the equivalent of Isis or Hathor.

01:08:42.680 In fact, I've, in my best game Babylon series, I actually have a few segments where I show

01:08:48.140 the historical connection where, you know, historians, secular historians actually admit

01:08:52.840 that there is a syncretism between Hathor and Ishtar.

01:08:58.520 And so, because there was a prominent narrative within academia for many years, trying to,

01:09:03.100 trying to segment like, oh, the Canaanite gods are different from the Egyptian gods and

01:09:07.080 they were different from the Greek gods.

01:09:08.400 But then in the past 20 years, they've finally come out.

01:09:12.060 I think we talked about this in one of our previous interviews, but they finally started

01:09:15.080 to come out and say, okay, no, there's a ton of syncretism here.

01:09:17.600 Like they're calling them a different name because they speak a different language, but the

01:09:20.880 God personifies exactly the same thing to each culture.

01:09:23.780 They worship it in exactly the same way.

01:09:26.140 You know what I mean?

01:09:26.440 So like, well, what's interesting about Hathor and Isis is that not only are they a feminine

01:09:31.360 goddess personification of the consorts of Ra, but they're also have a different, Isis and

01:09:40.060 Hathor has a different personification to be the eye of Ra, which I think is fascinating.

01:09:46.100 And this is where, again, I know you guys are busy.

01:09:48.040 I don't know if you have a chance to actually finish my best game Babylon series.

01:09:50.360 Speaking of information overload, that's why we did 21 parts, because if I were just to

01:09:55.060 give the person the last end of the series at the front of the conversation, it would

01:10:00.040 be 10 hours of me backing up and trying to explain context, right?

01:10:03.820 So I put all the context out in 21 parts in our series and basically try to, and it leads

01:10:09.400 to Hathor and Isis and the personification of the eye of Ra and how the Egyptians used to

01:10:14.400 view that and why it's such a fascinating concept, in my opinion, about the alien disclosure.

01:10:20.360 That I think they are.

01:10:21.780 So here's my opinion, guys.

01:10:22.900 I don't know if I shared this last time and it's okay if we disagree.

01:10:25.560 This is just my opinion for my studies.

01:10:27.240 I do believe there's going to be an alien disclosure soon.

01:10:29.660 And I don't think it's going to, I think it's going to be a good alien, good alien, right?

01:10:34.900 They're going to portray it as I think that the, the entity that they're going to introduce

01:10:40.280 to the world has been subtly shown to us in all forms of media, video games, movies, TVs,

01:10:47.040 all kinds of stuff.

01:10:49.380 One of the more popular personifications of this, I think we've seen as the traveler

01:10:53.180 in destiny.

01:10:55.040 And he's the good alien represented by a sphere who shows up to help to warn us about coming

01:11:04.360 bad aliens and getting, getting the planet ready for the coming bad aliens.

01:11:08.540 And so there's, I believe, and this is just, like I said, from, from my study, from listening

01:11:15.420 to things that the elites are trying to publicly talk about and what they, where they plan to

01:11:19.880 take culture and society.

01:11:21.900 I believe that they're wanting to actually have a generation, if not more 50 to 70 years

01:11:29.040 of actual integration with this disclosed good alien, quote unquote, good alien whom we

01:11:35.280 get used to, and a whole generation of children grew up with this thing already here, interacting

01:11:40.520 with it, being consulted by the elites of the world, the presidents and dignitaries of the

01:11:44.860 world.

01:11:46.020 But it's in a spherical craft in the sky.

01:11:49.160 And this is the same spherical craft, Vamana, that I believe was the eye of Ra in ancient

01:11:56.480 Egypt.

01:11:58.020 That's interesting.

01:11:59.080 I, I, I kind of look at this area.

01:12:00.600 Which also has control over other unclean spirits, just like ISIS did. 0.99

01:12:04.180 Um, so Matt, Matt's obviously missed our last couple of episodes and he is not familiar

01:12:08.840 with your work, but these Vamanas are, uh, Indian Vamanas like you see, and you still

01:12:13.680 see them on like Hindu temples and stuff.

01:12:15.460 Oh yeah.

01:12:15.800 I don't know.

01:12:17.860 Usually you just keep your head under the, well, no, I just like to let you guys teach

01:12:20.920 me stuff and pretend like I don't, we don't teach you anything.

01:12:23.620 Sometimes I'm pretending, sometimes I'm not.

01:12:26.200 I do look at the scenario.

01:12:27.720 The most likely version of, of unfolding events is one of like acclimation, long-term acclimation.

01:12:32.720 Yeah.

01:12:33.160 I hadn't considered 70 years.

01:12:35.380 Yeah.

01:12:35.880 I think he's right.

01:12:36.620 I mean, it's taken 70 years from the 1950s till now to acclimate us with the technology

01:12:41.240 that they've been putting in place.

01:12:43.140 Wait, is that what Sean's saying?

01:12:44.300 Is that like, we're at the end of the 70 years?

01:12:46.480 Well, no, he's saying that if this thing arrived, it would take that long.

01:12:50.500 Would take 70 years.

01:12:51.380 It does get here.

01:12:52.660 That's my theory.

01:12:54.280 Shout out to Jack.

01:12:55.140 Yeah.

01:12:55.300 Um, he said childhoods end and that that's a, a book by, uh, who, who is that Arthur C.

01:13:01.440 Clark and stop reading the chat.

01:13:03.640 Uh, well, no, it's actually where I was going and, and Jack crushed.

01:13:06.720 So, um, you know, I, I only watched it cause I can't read, but in that series, uh, which

01:13:12.880 I think is available on Amazon, um, you know, there, there is this introduction of a species,

01:13:18.800 the species doesn't disclose itself, but, but it does introduce technologies, um, and

01:13:24.020 systems to create like a veritable utopia, uh, over, I think that it's a much shorter

01:13:28.840 period than 60, 70 years.

01:13:29.960 It's like a four year period, I think.

01:13:32.300 But in this humanity goes through a rapid development, all these systems, all these technologies,

01:13:38.800 you know, it creates a scenario where even though humans have not seen the entities, the entities

01:13:45.200 have communicated with them through politicians, et cetera.

01:13:48.160 And it promised to reveal themselves at a certain date.

01:13:51.060 But during that four year period, they gain the trust because why wouldn't you trust them?

01:13:54.520 They've, you know, uh, ushered in heaven on earth.

01:13:57.080 And then of course, by the end of it, um, when they do reveal themselves, they're demons.

01:14:02.020 So, you know, it's, I, I'm expecting to see something very much like that.

01:14:06.000 And this is a big issue that I'm having lately where there are people, I mean, you know, we

01:14:11.740 had, uh, right now, everybody's, a lot of people are aware we had a contention with Timothy

01:14:16.100 Alvarino, but outside of Alvarino, it's his position that we have an issue with.

01:14:21.140 The position is that, uh, linking these things to demons is a mistake.

01:14:26.900 And, and, and, you know, Alvarino got on our radar because he was specifically saying,

01:14:30.880 if you believe that aliens are demons, you're an idiot.

01:14:34.060 Now, now that is a almost fair, he didn't say he used our, he did, he used the word

01:14:39.020 that we patent pended.

01:14:40.060 It's our word.

01:14:40.660 Yeah.

01:14:40.780 It's our word.

01:14:41.160 How dare you?

01:14:41.560 Um, now, you know, the, the issue with that is if you were to say, what is a demon?

01:14:46.840 And you took it within the context of the book of Enoch and you say it's a disembodied

01:14:49.960 spirit of, of a deceased Nephilim.

01:14:52.040 And then started to make the argument from there that a gray or a Pleiadian or any multitude

01:14:57.700 of the alien species that are supposedly out there are not that they're not a disembodied

01:15:03.260 spirit of a Nephilim, then maybe you could have a conversation, but the way that it's

01:15:07.000 framed, I think from a, from a guy who has much more nuance to offer one time is all right.

01:15:13.840 Two times is it was coming up again and again and again, he was making rounds on shows.

01:15:18.080 He was tweeting about it.

01:15:19.160 And it got to the extent where I'm like, this is a, a strange straw man to drag around the

01:15:26.440 internet.

01:15:26.680 It just didn't make sense to me.

01:15:27.880 It wasn't helpful to the conversation because he wasn't adding that nuance, not on his tweets

01:15:32.200 or not anything else like that.

01:15:33.480 He was just beating up this straw man. 0.98

01:15:35.260 And my issue is, and I wonder what you think about this, Sean, if somebody were to look

01:15:40.320 at the alien phenomenon at large, it doesn't matter the multitude of entities that are

01:15:45.880 inhabiting it or that are at play.

01:15:47.480 And they said, that's demonic.

01:15:50.280 I'm not going to follow those things, whatever they want.

01:15:53.180 I'll not be involved with it.

01:15:54.960 I'm following my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.

01:15:57.320 What do you make of that person?

01:15:58.740 Well, they're, they're definitely, um, they're either extremely deceived, you know, they're

01:16:06.220 intellectually uninformed or biblically uninformed, or they're being pressured by outside forces

01:16:11.560 to maintain a narrative that goes against.

01:16:13.100 Oh, no, no, no.

01:16:13.400 I'm sorry.

01:16:13.940 I mean, I mean the individual who sees the aliens and calls them demonic and wants nothing

01:16:19.200 to do with them.

01:16:20.000 Oh, okay.

01:16:20.400 Well then that's an informed biblical person because like, this is actually in Ephesians chapter

01:16:24.660 six, verse 10 through 12, it literally in the Greek, it tells you, yeah, this is the,

01:16:28.740 the cosmos Kratos is the realm between the land and the moon where the unclean spirits

01:16:34.200 live.

01:16:34.900 Like this is, would you, would you call that the second heaven too?

01:16:37.680 Would you refer to it like that or no?

01:16:39.040 Yeah.

01:16:39.280 Yeah.

01:16:39.440 Judaism refers to, um, that as a second heaven, so to speak, is like the upper atmosphere,

01:16:45.420 if you will, beyond the clouds.

01:16:47.360 But I'm a little different guys and this is where I'm going to run into probably, I don't

01:16:51.980 know how you guys feel about this, but my, Timothy's whole argument is completely done

01:16:56.920 the moment you apply the definition of the firmament, biblical firmament, and you get

01:17:01.440 away from this heliocentric model because that's not what the Bible describes.

01:17:04.900 So like I, like I want to have a loving discussion or debate with Timothy because it'll be nothing

01:17:10.800 but two hours of frustration for him because he'll have, I'll be forcing him to hold to

01:17:15.020 biblical definitions of words and not made up, invented, philosophic definitions from

01:17:20.060 modern science.

01:17:21.520 So like, again, the Bible teaches very clearly abortion is murder.

01:17:26.500 Abortion is wrong. 0.62

01:17:27.620 The world screams abortion is okay. 0.99

01:17:29.660 Everyone should do it.

01:17:30.560 Right.

01:17:31.800 The Bible teaches very clearly sexual morality outside of marriage is wrong.

01:17:37.600 The world screams go on a, go on a swingers cruise.

01:17:40.760 Right.

01:17:41.200 Like the world in every category is constantly saying the opposite of what the Bible says.

01:17:47.560 And when it comes to how creation was described, they're also shouting the opposite of what

01:17:51.760 the Bible has been saying this whole time.

01:17:53.240 So I'm actually a weirdo because I'm a biblical cosmologist.

01:17:56.720 I do believe the Bible gives us a very explicit with over 500 mentions, explanations, and contextual

01:18:02.960 definitions of a creation model that is, that is, doesn't involve, um, you know, the, the, the

01:18:11.640 stars in the sky being rocks in the void of space, but instead they're actually points

01:18:16.240 of light put inside of a ferment to shine down upon the earth as the Bible describes.

01:18:19.600 So we're actually in the closed in time, right?

01:18:22.440 Seasons.

01:18:22.920 Yeah.

01:18:23.480 Yeah.

01:18:23.660 We're in enclosed creation.

01:18:24.980 And that's, what's fascinating about the book of Enoch.

01:18:26.840 He literally gets a tour of this created enclosed model, including how the seasons happen, how

01:18:32.560 the wind comes into our enclosure, all these things.

01:18:35.100 Like it's all explained and it's very logical.

01:18:37.300 Like it's very like the, you know, the creator created mechanisms by which the sun, moon and

01:18:42.480 stars move, the winds move, the seasons move.

01:18:44.500 It even tells you the, the, the doors called portals in the ancient language of which there's

01:18:49.760 12 of them around the ferment that lets in different types of winds and creates the seasons.

01:18:53.120 So like, it's, it's a fascinating, very functional thing that can be actually replicated and built.

01:18:59.520 The model that we're taught as kids cannot be replicated or built the model that like

01:19:04.060 I've, I've went to a physics professor at a university and I said, sir, can you point

01:19:08.440 me to an experiment that's been done?

01:19:09.960 Like a peer reviewed academic experiment that's been done where there was a, a gas chamber where

01:19:14.900 they, you know, removed, they create a vacuum chamber and put a spinning ball in it and

01:19:19.240 put water on the side of that spinning ball and made it all.

01:19:21.680 He just showed you wooden doors, right?

01:19:23.120 It made it all function.

01:19:24.300 And he looked at me and he goes, so you want to, you want a vacuum chamber with the, with

01:19:28.380 the ball inside of it that's spinning with water sticking to the outside of the ball inside

01:19:32.620 of a vacuum chamber with all the air pulled out.

01:19:35.180 He's like, that's impossible.

01:19:36.220 I said, yes.

01:19:36.900 And that's what is told to us where we live.

01:19:40.620 That's how, yes.

01:19:42.360 And he's like, what do you mean?

01:19:43.320 The Bible describes we're living in an enclosed firmament and everything is created with 0.98

01:19:48.200 order.

01:19:48.840 Like there's, you know, gas pressure for a reason.

01:19:51.220 You need a container for gas pressure.

01:19:53.480 So anyway, it's a, that whole context of the Bible disrupts Albarino's argument that

01:19:59.560 there's, you know, Alpha Centauri aliens coming our way from 4 million light years away.

01:20:04.540 Now, if I, if I were to play in the playground of his argument, I would, it would still be

01:20:10.500 undercut because we have a plethora of biblical explanation that the spiritual realm interacts

01:20:15.200 with the physical realm all day long.

01:20:17.240 Yeah.

01:20:17.680 He doesn't even accept it.

01:20:18.880 It seems that there is a spiritual realm.

01:20:20.480 That's why we got stuck for 45 minutes on like our aliens, demons.

01:20:24.160 But once he mentioned the spiritual realm and he's talking about the symbolic nature

01:20:27.520 of what the prophets are experiencing as angels, I was like, I got a big problems with that.

01:20:31.300 I was, I was cool to let him slide with and explain himself, but I'm like, I'm looking

01:20:35.520 at five scriptures here that talk about the description of the, of the server from over

01:20:38.880 thousands of years.

01:20:40.120 And you're saying that, no, it's just symbolic of the time period.

01:20:43.880 It can't be.

01:20:45.260 Yeah.

01:20:45.660 Yeah.

01:20:45.860 It was a bizarre experience because I think what we found out in the end is he has a vested

01:20:51.660 interest in being close to disclosure, which is another thing that makes me feel like we

01:20:55.580 might actually be there.

01:20:56.380 Cause it feels like a lot of people are kind of moving into their positions and accepting

01:20:59.160 their narratives and, and trying to cozy up next to whoever's associated with this or

01:21:03.220 that.

01:21:03.600 And he's taking pictures and he's smoking cigars with Elizondo.

01:21:06.960 Elizondo is, is an intelligent asset for those who aren't familiar with them.

01:21:10.680 He's the guy that was the lead character in the recent age of disclosure documentary.

01:21:14.280 And he's probably right now that the government approved mouthpiece for disclosure.

01:21:18.000 He's the one that they want us to take seriously as they frame the narrative.

01:21:21.660 And, and, uh, you know, this is a guy that's bought out fake pictures of UFOs, uh, as evidence

01:21:28.060 and then been exposed that the pictures were obvious fakes.

01:21:30.680 And, you know, you'll find Albarino defending the guy in one word answer.

01:21:36.300 Someone said, why should we take Elizondo seriously when he's ruined disclosure as a, as

01:21:41.540 a serious topic by, you know, bringing a fake photos.

01:21:45.000 And he go, and he literally said, so it's actually very funny today.

01:21:48.760 Uh, well, or maybe the other day, Rogan on his show says that, yeah, I have hosted UFO

01:21:54.420 disinformation agents.

01:21:55.640 I'm pretty sure that they're disinformation.

01:21:56.960 I was like, I wonder who you're talking about.

01:21:58.160 Yeah.

01:21:58.480 Yeah.

01:21:58.860 Look, there's Lou Elizondo standing next to him.

01:22:00.980 And then him and Elizondo are taking pictures together, smoking cigars together, uh, him and

01:22:04.600 Timothy Albarino.

01:22:05.460 So I think what actually happened there is we, uh, accidentally disrupted a government narrative.

01:22:11.480 Well, to be honest, Sean, I think what happened is he, he saw us being loud about the

01:22:16.640 aliens and demonic connection.

01:22:18.300 Cause I do think those stupid glasses.

01:22:20.000 I did happen to also, I dressed like him.

01:22:22.040 I dressed like Indiana Jones and I mocked him and he got upset about that.

01:22:24.660 But, um, I do think there was a massive overlap between what people identify as the alien

01:22:31.100 abduction phenomenon and demonic encounters.

01:22:33.220 And, you know, the, the paralysis, the unbelievable feeling of doom, the, uh, the inexplicably bright

01:22:39.480 white lights, uh, the fact that they flee at all in the name of Jesus Christ.

01:22:44.760 Yeah.

01:22:44.920 I was going to mention that.

01:22:45.840 That's believable.

01:22:47.080 They're not fleeing at the name of Shiva.

01:22:48.940 They're not fleeing at the name of Zeus.

01:22:51.220 They're, you know, only Christ.

01:22:53.040 I think what ended up happening there is because he asked for a debate.

01:22:56.140 He asked for a debate a multitude of times, actually to which we said no, because I didn't

01:23:00.320 think there was anything that worth discussing there.

01:23:02.340 And, um, and he kept asking for it.

01:23:04.260 And I think what happened is we're, we're getting close to this season of, of disclosure,

01:23:07.760 whatever that's going to look like, whenever that's going to happen.

01:23:10.040 And, um, and I think he picked some guys to do good PR with, you know, we, we, um, present

01:23:17.180 in, in many ways as crass, kind of arrogant idiots. 0.89

01:23:22.200 And I think that he selected us because to put a, a beating on us, we are crass, we are

01:23:28.340 crass, and to put a beating on us would have been great PR for him.

01:23:34.220 But instead, instead we read the Bible and we were like, wait, what does that say?

01:23:38.060 Yeah.

01:23:38.420 Yeah.

01:23:38.660 Some of that stuff was a little tough, man.

01:23:40.820 No spirit realm was just, was just tough, man.

01:23:43.620 Like, and then just, just like most basic definitions, like you can't define the spirit

01:23:47.260 realm.

01:23:47.960 Okay.

01:23:48.320 But I mean, the most basic terms, like it's where God lives, you know, it was like, what

01:23:53.380 do you want to call that?

01:23:54.280 You know, like if we're, if we're going to call it the hyperspatial realm, like that's

01:23:57.440 cool, but that's not found in the scripture.

01:23:59.020 He didn't want to call it anything.

01:23:59.800 It's just weird to have these new ideas and phrases, you know, from the Bible.

01:24:05.400 That's the, that's the bigger problem I've seen permeating actual major Christianity.

01:24:11.480 Most churches in Christianity is a, is a ancient Gnostic interpretation of what, well, the Gnostic 0.96

01:24:19.260 interpretation would be that the Supreme source who created the Polaroma to make everything

01:24:24.060 within our creative reality, that that Supreme source is outside of our creative reality and

01:24:29.080 outside of time and space, outside of physical, physical matter.

01:24:32.020 Right.

01:24:32.420 And that's the ancient Gnostic view.

01:24:34.140 And that got perpetrated by pretty significant church, church theologians throughout time.

01:24:42.100 And it is a dominant view.

01:24:43.780 Like I've interviewed pastors on my channel where I asked them, where's God?

01:24:48.340 And they just look at me like, I don't know.

01:24:50.740 And I'm like, well, okay, let's just slowly walk through this.

01:24:53.960 You believe God exists and they'll say, well, yeah.

01:24:56.720 Okay.

01:24:57.420 And they'll say, well, what, which, what are you talking about?

01:24:59.660 The Holy spirit, the father, the son.

01:25:01.100 I'm like, Oh, it's just about the father.

01:25:02.320 Right.

01:25:02.840 Do you think the father, there's a father sitting on the throne?

01:25:04.600 Like it says in Psalms and revelation and other places.

01:25:07.320 And they'll say, well, it, it says that he sits on the throne.

01:25:12.640 And I was like, what do I, yeah.

01:25:14.780 Does he actually sit on a throne?

01:25:17.020 Where's God?

01:25:17.780 What is God real?

01:25:19.640 And you'd be surprised brother, how many other pastors I've talked to on my channel

01:25:23.300 that, that will admit I've debated them.

01:25:25.580 Very vitriolic, hateful pastors.

01:25:27.240 Even I've debated them that will say, Oh, well, the Bible shows us a manifestation of

01:25:32.580 the father holding the scroll in revelation five that Jesus walks up to and grabs, but he's

01:25:36.280 not really there because God doesn't really exist.

01:25:39.780 God is just an energy and God doesn't really exist.

01:25:43.060 He doesn't have an actual form or a body because that would be somehow limits in him.

01:25:45.940 It goes against something called divine simplicity, which is a theological construct, a philosophic

01:25:50.160 construct of theology.

01:25:51.580 So they, this is taught in seminaries.

01:25:54.120 I don't know your history.

01:25:55.460 That must be it, right?

01:25:56.380 That must, if, if, if, you know, that's like a one-off thing, it's like a common thing that

01:26:00.760 it must be being taught somewhere.

01:26:01.880 And you're saying what, what is the origin of it?

01:26:03.660 Like what, like where did it come from?

01:26:04.840 I'm telling you the origin of it is it's called divine simplicity.

01:26:07.680 It goes back to Neoplatonism from the third century, but it really is pulled from

01:26:11.460 Plato from the seventh century BC.

01:26:12.980 It's just, that's why they call it Neoplatonism and it's the variances of Gnosticism mixed

01:26:17.340 in with it, which, which basically says the father who was the ultimate creator of all

01:26:22.200 things doesn't tangibly actually exist.

01:26:26.340 Yikes.

01:26:27.280 Yes.

01:26:27.660 I'm just, I'm yeah.

01:26:28.380 It's crazy to think of because there's so many descriptions in the, in the Bible about

01:26:32.200 the father actually having, like he has a, he shows Moses his backside, but not his

01:26:36.700 face.

01:26:37.600 And I've, I've asked the pastor.

01:26:39.300 So what did Moses see right there?

01:26:40.460 And they'll say, oh, he, he didn't see, he didn't see it actually the back of the father.

01:26:44.120 It's just what he thought he saw.

01:26:45.420 Yeah.

01:26:45.820 And then how extremely limiting of, of human beings.

01:26:48.520 Like this is, this is another problem with Albarino.

01:26:50.680 It's like, you think to understand how this word, like, well, show me your scientific thesis

01:26:54.540 that's been proven as to why this is bring your receipts.

01:26:57.500 Yeah.

01:26:57.780 Bring your supernatural receipts.

01:26:59.060 You think as a human being that's dressed like Indiana Jones to understand these things, like

01:27:04.880 is God physical if he wants to be, is he everywhere at the same time?

01:27:08.800 Yeah.

01:27:09.500 Yes.

01:27:09.880 Everything.

01:27:10.820 So I think there was something supernatural happening when they were shouting Kali Ma and

01:27:14.800 they were pulling his heart out of his chest.

01:27:16.580 Like that was supernatural.

01:27:19.360 You know, he also believes that the, the garden is allegorical.

01:27:23.340 So yeah, he's, he's in lockstep with all these ideas.

01:27:25.580 He's, he's, he's gotten, I don't know if he went to seminary, but it sounds like there's

01:27:30.700 a lot of people that have been seminary trained that have been influenced him.

01:27:33.580 Did you watch his old stuff?

01:27:35.120 We're about the same age, man.

01:27:36.280 Like his old stuff was like so good.

01:27:37.980 I made Raven watch it.

01:27:39.320 It's like these ancient civilizations and ancient ruins and like, yeah, it was cool stuff.

01:27:44.240 Like, did you ever watch the old stuff, Sean?

01:27:46.240 Yes, but not more than once.

01:27:47.600 So I really couldn't quote it or, or like point to my video.

01:27:51.380 So my issue was like, so, you know, I was saying aliens are demons, right?

01:27:55.680 And it's like, once again, to hash out the details is almost useless, right?

01:27:59.660 To the, to the person, the experiencer that's going through this.

01:28:02.100 If you believe that they're demonic, you're in way better standings than if you are kind

01:28:06.000 of pondering the nature of them.

01:28:08.260 And what, what is a demon and what is the spiritual realm?

01:28:10.820 It's like, no, cast it out in the name of Christ.

01:28:12.880 All right.

01:28:13.200 That's going to work.

01:28:13.920 But like, or if it doesn't, I mean, prayer and fasting, like prayer, right.

01:28:17.660 Whatever the case may be, it is in opposition to the kingdom of God.

01:28:20.740 It does not have your best interest at hearts and it will deceive you.

01:28:23.080 So, um, he, he starts asking for a debate after I start mocking him and I decide I don't

01:28:30.040 do debates, but like, I am mocking you.

01:28:32.240 I'm I've, I've ordered an Indiana Jones outfit off Amazon.

01:28:35.820 I might as well at least like be a man and step up and, and, you know, have this conversation

01:28:40.720 about my ideas versus your ideas.

01:28:42.400 And, um, and so I go, you know what, let me learn about this guy a little bit more.

01:28:45.920 Cause I only am peripherally aware of him.

01:28:47.740 I've seen some of his appearances on podcasts.

01:28:49.820 Matt shows me these documentaries in the documentary.

01:28:52.200 He talks about how the Vatican is gearing up for this big disclosure, alien disclosure, deception.

01:28:57.920 And that, you know, uh, Tom Horner, Steve Quill, one of the two says it's the great deception.

01:29:02.800 And then Timothy Albarino says, I'm afraid the antichrist is going to emerge from this.

01:29:07.580 And I go, the antichrist, if the antichrist was going to emerge from something.

01:29:11.280 And I said that that's something was demonic.

01:29:13.980 Wouldn't we be in agreeance?

01:29:15.360 What wouldn't you look at me and be like, yeah, dude, pretty close.

01:29:19.040 Here's some more information, but you're like over the target.

01:29:21.700 That's not what he's doing.

01:29:22.740 Instead.

01:29:23.180 He's saying, if you believe this, you're an idiot, which is like people that I, I, I was

01:29:28.680 called an idiot.

01:29:29.960 I was called an idiot by pastors.

01:29:32.100 Um, literally I was, I was called a, a blasphemer or a heretic, an idiot.

01:29:36.860 Um, I was, I was called a disrespectful to God because I actually believed that the Bible

01:29:43.320 said that he has a real form and exists and can interact with mankind.

01:29:47.100 Yeah.

01:29:47.500 And they thought that was just ludicrous.

01:29:49.180 Right.

01:29:49.600 Which, which means he's a spirit because, you know, John four, right.

01:29:52.200 God is spirit.

01:29:53.560 Right.

01:29:53.980 So if we're talking about the interaction between the physical and the spiritual realm,

01:29:56.780 and if there's any, any reality of continuity there, well, the Bible shows it everywhere.

01:30:01.080 Like Satan himself is a spirit.

01:30:02.640 Like he's an angel.

01:30:03.940 He's not, he wasn't born of the dirt of the earth.

01:30:05.980 He was, he's a spiritual being.

01:30:07.520 Hebrews one 14, but yet he is talking to Jesus, taking Jesus to the top of a really high mountain.

01:30:14.220 Right.

01:30:14.640 Like he's up there with Jesus on the top of the temple, trying to get Jesus to throw himself

01:30:18.800 down.

01:30:19.080 Like you're trying to tell me that that's not like a physical interaction.

01:30:23.760 Like how did, how did he, how did he take Jesus up to the top of the mountain?

01:30:27.580 Like just the very concept of demon, of demonic, um, uh, infestation or, or, uh, possession

01:30:34.260 is a physical reality.

01:30:36.560 Like that is a spiritual entity that has physically taken over the faculties of a physical entity.

01:30:42.760 Like there is a, there is a, and the whole concept of saying there is no correlation between

01:30:48.020 the, or there is no spiritual realm and there's, there's no correlation there.

01:30:50.980 And that, that these UFOs would have to only be of the material world just completely ignores

01:30:55.940 the concept that we ourselves are a mixture of the earth and the spirit.

01:31:00.600 Genesis two, seven, like in Isaiah 26, 19, when we talk about the resurrection, it says

01:31:06.480 the earth will give birth to departed spirits.

01:31:09.960 That's us.

01:31:11.500 Well, and we did bring up like the two King six passage where Elisha's servant comes out,

01:31:15.720 right?

01:31:15.900 Like he comes out early in the morning and it's like, yeah, this spirit realm, if you

01:31:19.300 will, in this natural realm, they're just overlapped.

01:31:21.480 It seems like all the time they're just overlapped.

01:31:24.120 It's there.

01:31:24.720 It wasn't like they traveled some distance to be there.

01:31:27.520 It's just all of a sudden the servant's eyes were open and then boom, you could see it,

01:31:30.780 but it was always there.

01:31:32.500 Yeah.

01:31:33.000 It was, it was a bizarre conversation where things got really strange because you'd imagine

01:31:38.000 I was confused by the time that he said the antichrist was going to come from this.

01:31:40.880 I'm like, we're speaking the same language.

01:31:42.120 I don't know where the disconnect is.

01:31:43.500 I go on them.

01:31:45.000 Age of disclosure happens.

01:31:46.460 It's this government propaganda piece about, you know, what, what's going on with the UAP phenomenon.

01:31:50.900 And I watch it with the audience and then we become aware that Albarino has done a review

01:31:56.980 of it.

01:31:57.380 So we watched that with our audience torture.

01:31:59.660 It was a terrible, very boring thing.

01:32:02.600 I mean, if you're aware of what's going on with like the UAP thing, but we love our audience.

01:32:06.940 We love our audience.

01:32:07.660 So we'll do that for you.

01:32:08.420 So what ends up happening is in the age of disclosure, they do mention Christianity in

01:32:13.900 a very brief moment.

01:32:14.940 And that is around the 20 minute mark or something like that, where they say Lou Alessandro, I

01:32:18.420 believe says that he goes within the Pentagon, there's an old guard of superstitious people 1.00

01:32:23.140 who are halting progress by calling UFOs and aliens, demons or devils.

01:32:28.540 And they're, they've been standing in the way of the progress, but we've gotten past that

01:32:31.680 now.

01:32:31.940 And that's all they say, which is, you know, to me, in my opinion, a small seed that's planted,

01:32:36.100 a seed of doubt, who's calling these things, devils and demons, Christians now, right? 1.00

01:32:41.100 I mean, Christ's believers are calling these things, devils and demons.

01:32:45.400 And so the Collins elite, whatever the case is, but, but you're, you're putting pieces

01:32:49.300 together.

01:32:49.920 Subconsciously, you connect those dots.

01:32:51.600 If you're an atheist or you're agnostic, but you love a sci-fi and you go, wow, look,

01:32:56.160 we're almost there.

01:32:57.360 But these old religious a-holes are standing in the way of progress. 1.00

01:33:01.060 Well, then those old religious a-holes are probably Christians. 1.00

01:33:03.740 Later on, when I watch Albarino's review of it, it's a, it's a tip, it's an exact list

01:33:11.100 of everything that was in the documentary.

01:33:13.340 And he doesn't give his opinion on anything, really.

01:33:16.080 Except for that.

01:33:16.480 Except for that.

01:33:17.460 Where he echoes the sentiment, I agree, these people are standing in the way of progress.

01:33:22.940 They mean well, but they're misguided.

01:33:25.320 And I'm going, wait, wait, wait, why is he, why is he saying that?

01:33:30.580 Because, because in my estimation, it was a, a seed that was planted through a piece of

01:33:35.980 propaganda, right?

01:33:37.620 Christians stand in the way of progress. 1.00

01:33:40.260 And now he's saying the same thing.

01:33:42.680 This whole thing is, is, is bizarre to me.

01:33:45.240 So the entire, by the time I get there, Sean, I'm in a really weird headspace.

01:33:50.240 Because typically I'm, you know, I'm not like that.

01:33:52.980 I'm not combative.

01:33:53.780 I'm not adversarial with people.

01:33:55.220 But I now have this feeling that this guy is doing something that is massively detrimental

01:34:01.080 to anybody who's going to arm themselves against what I estimate to be a demonic force.

01:34:06.600 It's a demonic force.

01:34:07.680 This isn't like a game.

01:34:08.980 This is a thing that they want to do.

01:34:10.480 They want to do disclosure.

01:34:11.600 They want to introduce us to these entities.

01:34:13.920 They want to fool us about their nature.

01:34:17.140 And you're helping that.

01:34:19.060 And so the whole thing becomes very strange by the time we have this conversation.

01:34:23.460 And he never gives me, by the way, a sufficient answer, Sean.

01:34:26.280 We go through the whole thing.

01:34:27.300 He filibusters for 95% of that entire episode.

01:34:31.220 And I don't know.

01:34:32.620 He just, he never gives you an outright answer of it.

01:34:36.180 He gets hung up on definitions.

01:34:40.040 He speaks for so long and so many platitudes that you, you come away if you're only kind of

01:34:45.940 paying attention peripherally, that he's intelligent and that you should be paying attention to him

01:34:51.700 because he's using great vocabulary and he's, he's referencing so many things.

01:34:55.240 He does a thing where he goes for so long.

01:34:58.000 He minimizes the amount of questions you can ask.

01:35:00.060 And then he makes so many points that it's impossible to address even just one.

01:35:04.220 And the vast majority of the points that he makes are not even answers to the very pointed

01:35:08.980 questions and accusations that we have for him.

01:35:11.260 The email I sent him read very specifically.

01:35:14.200 We have a minor disagreement.

01:35:16.360 It should take about 20 minutes of the show.

01:35:18.620 The way you just told us in the pre-show, I want to have like, you want us to give our

01:35:22.320 testimonies.

01:35:23.420 15, 20 minutes.

01:35:24.740 Cool.

01:35:25.340 We're all conscious.

01:35:26.360 See the clock right there.

01:35:27.220 I think we kind of filled that space in.

01:35:29.860 Now we're talking about other things.

01:35:31.780 Brilliant, right?

01:35:32.820 There's an idea for a show.

01:35:34.220 That's what I told him.

01:35:35.200 And I also gave him bullet points over things that we can cover.

01:35:37.980 Interesting topics.

01:35:38.800 I'm like, I don't, I don't think we could really disagree for an hour and a half on this

01:35:42.640 one thing.

01:35:43.160 He disagreed with us for two and a half hours on one thing.

01:35:46.880 And I still don't know what he thinks.

01:35:48.160 It's bizarre.

01:35:48.780 It was really bizarre.

01:35:49.900 Yeah.

01:35:50.160 That was the people in the comments overwhelmingly came away saying, I don't know what his points

01:35:55.700 were, which is weird.

01:35:57.220 And then of course, after it was over, he looked really bad.

01:36:02.180 And then he denounced us as Christians.

01:36:04.740 Well, first he accused us of doing what I'll just say, he's doing what blurry creatures does 1.00

01:36:08.860 and not releasing, not, not going to release this episode.

01:36:12.380 And yeah, that was really weird over and over again.

01:36:14.200 He accused us of not releasing the episode.

01:36:16.980 I think he set that up from the very beginning though.

01:36:19.620 When he, when he started saying, giving you a hard time about the Patreon stuff and saying,

01:36:23.420 will this whole thing be available?

01:36:24.680 He was setting that up from the beginning.

01:36:26.600 Yeah.

01:36:26.920 And we explained it.

01:36:27.500 This will be available, right?

01:36:28.260 This will go up.

01:36:28.720 This is going to be available.

01:36:29.620 It's already available.

01:36:30.480 It's live.

01:36:30.940 Oh, it's live.

01:36:31.620 All right.

01:36:32.260 Well, yeah.

01:36:32.860 From the gate, he did that, which I think is another debate tactic because what he's

01:36:36.500 done is he's put us on the defensive and he's come there to like have this argument

01:36:41.420 with us.

01:36:42.080 If we're on the defensive and we haven't even gotten to the point of contention yet, I now

01:36:46.000 have to work to get to a neutral place where I can then go on the offensive.

01:36:49.320 So I really think all that was, was just a setup to try to get us, you know, off our

01:36:53.700 foot.

01:36:54.360 But yeah, we explained it.

01:36:55.720 Quick question.

01:36:56.520 Yeah.

01:36:57.300 Quick question.

01:36:57.820 In his past work, did he ever talk about his view that he thought like the demonic realm

01:37:02.940 was real and spiritual realm was real?

01:37:05.940 I don't know.

01:37:06.900 I mean, I don't remember any of his old stuff.

01:37:09.420 Like, I mean, the minute when I heard that like winged angels were just symbolic, like

01:37:15.260 specifically seraphim and cherubim, like if you're just saying like common angels that

01:37:18.200 we need to be mindful of, because you could be entertaining angels unaware when you're

01:37:21.920 entertaining strangers and all these times they show up and they're clearly look just

01:37:25.520 like humans.

01:37:26.860 The entire book of Enoch, which he teaches from.

01:37:29.700 Yeah.

01:37:29.940 There's clearly these entities.

01:37:32.280 If we want to use a general word angel, you know, they're seraphim, they're cherubim,

01:37:36.700 they have wings, six winged cherubim and Isaiah six are flying around saying, holy,

01:37:41.240 holy, holy, you know, to say that that's symbolic.

01:37:44.640 I think I would have caught that back in the day.

01:37:46.760 I don't I don't ever remember anything like that.

01:37:48.940 And I don't ever remember anything.

01:37:50.860 Yes.

01:37:51.340 No, that wasn't mentioned.

01:37:53.440 So I don't think so.

01:37:54.560 I don't think it's in any of his old stuff.

01:37:56.140 No, it wasn't mentioned.

01:37:57.780 Sorry, God.

01:37:59.320 I'm just saying like in his book Birthright, he does start.

01:38:01.700 That's when he kind of starts to go down that narrative.

01:38:03.360 And that's around 2019 when that book is released.

01:38:06.540 And probably written, you know, around 2018.

01:38:08.900 Interesting stuff in that book.

01:38:10.780 Interesting.

01:38:11.480 And which I told him, I said, I agree.

01:38:13.120 I like the book up to about 70 percent of it, where he starts to go a little bit off the

01:38:17.020 rails with the idea of, you know, same thing.

01:38:19.540 If you think aliens or demons like completely misguided, you have no idea what you're talking

01:38:23.040 about.

01:38:23.300 So that's right around the time frame that he's painting this narrative.

01:38:26.720 And then from then I watch him.

01:38:30.380 You know, you do big, big shows on mainstream sort of mainstream channels.

01:38:35.060 Well, Sean Ryan's a pretty mainstream.

01:38:37.040 Daily Wire, Sean Ryan, Glenn Beck, you know, Michael Knowles, things like this.

01:38:42.520 And you're pushing this same narrative.

01:38:43.800 And then I see you hanging out with Lou Elizondo and I've got to ask some questions, which I

01:38:47.620 don't even really care about.

01:38:49.320 We've looked from the side and said, hmm, seems strange.

01:38:53.000 My whole thing was just who cares?

01:38:54.760 Why would you separate this phenomenon when there's so much overlap?

01:38:57.560 Well, my thing is, why do you, why do you seek out, why do you seek out the people who

01:39:03.900 are like, we're like low level people just talking about it?

01:39:06.180 Yeah.

01:39:06.300 You can talk about it on your large shows.

01:39:08.180 Well, that's the difference, guys.

01:39:09.840 I want to encourage you that you're not quote unquote low level for long.

01:39:13.500 You guys are growing and you're doing, you're doing engaging content and, you know, you're

01:39:18.360 running the marathon of YouTube and you're going to do well.

01:39:20.420 Like you guys are going to have a huge channel in five years.

01:39:22.620 That too.

01:39:22.960 And he's trying to head off opposition early.

01:39:25.900 But at the same time, for the people asking the comments, guys, we're not trying just

01:39:30.240 to sit here and have a bash fashion on Alvarino.

01:39:32.180 This is actually us as Christians looking at another Christian researcher talking about

01:39:36.480 this topic and going, why the narrative change?

01:39:39.120 Or is it a narrative change?

01:39:41.020 Or is it just, we finally reached the end of his understanding and now he's run into

01:39:45.820 contradictions and doesn't know how to handle it publicly, you know, because he's always

01:39:50.540 held this, this, uh, internal narrative, but it never came up in interviews because he

01:39:55.720 was always able to talk about other things.

01:39:57.560 But here we go.

01:39:59.000 You guys brought up this specific narrative that he doesn't really have a good answer

01:40:02.280 for it and got revealed.

01:40:03.440 And now it's looking really weird.

01:40:05.420 It's looking contradictory to his previous work.

01:40:08.180 It's to me, none of it makes sense that he's a proponent.

01:40:10.980 I've seen multiple interviews where he's, he's quoting first Enoch.

01:40:14.140 Like it's, like it's canon, like it's scripture, you cannot believe angels are symbolic and

01:40:20.540 be quoting from first Enoch.

01:40:21.840 You are in utter contradiction as a person promoting God's word and a true history of

01:40:27.220 rabais angels to say that angels are symbolic and aren't real entities.

01:40:30.960 Yes.

01:40:31.760 You, you're trying to quote from first Enoch it explicitly, their main characters in

01:40:36.000 first Enoch, like they're the main characters explaining to you how they interact with mankind,

01:40:40.280 took wives, had children, taught mankind, all storms of tomfoolery and all sorts of, uh, 0.90

01:40:45.160 the destructive, corruptive practices invented idol worship with their sons and Ephilim.

01:40:50.880 Like there is no more stronger correlation between spiritual beings and earthy beings than

01:40:57.600 first Enoch.

01:40:58.640 So you can't maintain this narrative that, oh, these, uh, these entities that are teaching

01:41:05.260 that are afraid of the name of Jesus Christ that lead people off into demonic experiments

01:41:09.400 that resembles bell worship, by the way, with all the butt stuff. 0.57

01:41:12.140 And then try to say that, oh, these are not demonic or these are not in associated with

01:41:17.680 occultic activity.

01:41:18.760 And there is no spiritual, uh, there's no spiritual ontology of them.

01:41:22.740 They're just physical beings.

01:41:24.500 Look, this is where I know you guys mentioned this to him and I don't think he really addressed

01:41:28.820 it.

01:41:28.980 I think he kind of sloughed it off, but you talked about this, the sleeve, right?

01:41:31.880 The, the, the concept of like, well, what if clear the UFOs are physical crafts?

01:41:37.360 What if the people piloting them are just, they are demonic characters, but the, the

01:41:44.040 occult has found a way to create a sleeve for them to interact with in the physical world.

01:41:48.200 Right.

01:41:48.720 It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a host organic material body that they can actually, because

01:41:54.000 clearly they can overtake the faculties of our organic material body and puppet to tear

01:41:59.760 us around and throw us against walls and make our heads turn around backwards.

01:42:03.820 And you know what I'm saying?

01:42:04.820 And like, they can clearly do demonic things with our physical reality.

01:42:07.820 So we know that they can create Android like bodies with, with lab grown materials.

01:42:13.880 So it's not out of the realm of even modern science to say that the occult and the, the,

01:42:20.460 the shadow governments of the world have already created a host body for demons to try to interact

01:42:24.840 in the physical world again.

01:42:26.700 Biomechanical.

01:42:27.100 Can I ask you a question?

01:42:28.120 And maybe David could actually like, uh, bring, bring about this point a little bit more

01:42:31.980 clear.

01:42:32.600 Why in, why in the Jeffrey Epstein email, is he, uh, talking to somebody asking him to

01:42:36.980 create debate talking points that differentiate aliens from demons?

01:42:40.860 This is, this is really bizarre.

01:42:42.480 I didn't hear about that yet.

01:42:43.760 So Jeffrey Epstein in these, in these files, and you have to take these with a grain of salt

01:42:48.760 right now.

01:42:49.380 We are not saying he was on an Island.

01:42:52.320 I'm not saying that no, no, while Marino was on an Island, I'm more concerned with the

01:42:56.500 people who are also carrying water for this narrative.

01:43:00.040 So in this file, uh, one of these email files, it's, it's an exchange between Epstein and,

01:43:06.180 um, and Lawrence Krauss.

01:43:08.500 And what he's asking Lawrence Krauss to do is to create a debate, an argument.

01:43:14.560 It seems that Epstein is wanting to diffuse any connection between three things specifically.

01:43:21.360 He says aliens, ghosts, which ghosts, I would say are demonic entities masquerading as disembodied

01:43:29.560 some things, disembodied some things demonic in nature, though, I would say, um, masquerading

01:43:34.340 as loved ones, masquerading as lost children, you know, you name it.

01:43:38.840 And the third element is out of body experiences, which if you remember to the, uh, debate that

01:43:44.460 we had, there was a lot of conversation about near death experiences, where people are going.

01:43:49.720 Is it the spiritual realm?

01:43:51.180 What is the spiritual realm?

01:43:52.360 Where are these prophets having these experiences?

01:43:55.040 Is it in a dream state?

01:43:56.720 What is that state look like?

01:43:58.200 And he's trying desperately.

01:43:59.660 He's asking him to create a debate to separate these things.

01:44:04.860 Why would you ever want to separate them when there is so much in common?

01:44:09.320 There's so much overlap between the spaces that these things happen in the sensations that

01:44:13.860 one goes through the patterns that emerge from one experience to the next.

01:44:17.020 You have to, you have to, if you, if you wanted to see what's coming, the people from what

01:44:22.580 is coming, if you don't want them to think along these lines, along these spiritual biblical

01:44:26.280 lines, then when, when I present you with biblical fact, you have to deny it along scientific

01:44:31.260 terms.

01:44:31.860 This is the position that he was put in by people who were dumb.

01:44:36.820 Yeah.

01:44:37.260 And look, I got to address it too.

01:44:39.100 I see somebody in the chat says, I suggest you people not slander Tim.

01:44:42.020 We've only said exactly what has happened.

01:44:45.080 And it's not anything that I've not said directly to him.

01:44:47.800 I'm asking questions.

01:44:49.360 I'm not saying he's knowingly running some narrative that Epstein is also concerned with.

01:44:55.840 I'm saying, what is the, the birth of this idea?

01:44:59.940 And why does it lead to a place where not only is Epstein curious and invested in achieving

01:45:05.460 the same, you know, argument, right?

01:45:07.500 Success in the same argument, let's separate these elements and why is Albarino saying it?

01:45:12.780 And does it have anything to do with the fact that it seems that Epstein also was very interested

01:45:17.060 in UAP disclosure?

01:45:18.100 That's something that we've been talking about on the show.

01:45:19.680 It's something that's come out through the files and Albarino is finding himself as maybe

01:45:25.140 let's say it looks like he could be some sort of a representative of Christianity to help

01:45:29.840 Christians understand this thing because he's got, you know, he's got a billionaire backer,

01:45:34.240 which is not at all a condemnation.

01:45:37.480 Somebody with money is fascinated in your work.

01:45:39.660 Well, lucky you, you must be doing a good job, right?

01:45:41.920 I don't know.

01:45:42.340 Somebody thinks you're doing a good job and they have money.

01:45:44.700 But if that person wants to see a specific angle take place in, in UAP disclosure, and

01:45:51.280 let's say that person is maybe exhausted a little bit with the old guard of superstitious

01:45:56.720 people that are calling this demons and devils and would love for somebody who's charismatic,

01:46:00.980 who's well-spoken, who's respected in the community to express their already, you know,

01:46:06.760 preconceived notions of these things are not demons, well, maybe you would help that

01:46:10.420 guy.

01:46:10.900 That's not a, that's not, that's not even a conspiratorial thing.

01:46:13.760 That's just like how a relationship works, right?

01:46:15.680 You've got a buddy.

01:46:16.780 He's a billionaire.

01:46:17.880 He probably knows a guy or two in this space or that space.

01:46:20.880 Maybe he can get you on the Sean Ryan show.

01:46:22.140 Who the hell knows?

01:46:23.000 It doesn't have to be a nefarious plot.

01:46:24.900 The billionaire backer doesn't even have to have a nefarious agenda.

01:46:27.520 You might just be carrying water for a thing that's nature.

01:46:31.460 You don't understand.

01:46:32.860 And, and, and you should look over maybe and see that Epstein is trying to formulate the

01:46:37.540 same argument that you're going around making, you know, making the rounds on various podcasts

01:46:41.380 doing.

01:46:41.880 I will say, hold on a second.

01:46:43.240 Am I saying that?

01:46:43.800 I'd like to address the chat.

01:46:45.580 If we want to talk, we can't understand him long enough to understand his faith level

01:46:49.280 to find out his faith level.

01:46:50.400 I don't know.

01:46:50.980 He's the kind of guy that just tells everybody not to associate with us because he's already

01:46:54.520 judged our faith level and he already knows exactly who I am.

01:46:57.320 He's called, he said, we're not Christians.

01:46:58.860 He's warned people.

01:46:59.580 He's called other content creators.

01:47:01.880 So that ship has sailed.

01:47:02.960 Now we're just going to say what he told us in the interview.

01:47:05.380 But by the way, everything, everything that we're talking about is in their interview

01:47:09.180 with him.

01:47:09.820 This is kind of like this part of the conversation is kind of a recapping what he admitted publicly,

01:47:14.000 which is why it threw it through people like sideways.

01:47:17.560 Like, wait a minute.

01:47:18.260 What, how, how are you making the statement as a Christian, as someone that goes to first

01:47:21.640 Enoch, as someone that was talking about this this whole time.

01:47:23.660 And now you're making these statements that these are not spiritual entities, that they're

01:47:26.720 all physical material entities.

01:47:28.680 Like this is a very naturalistic evolutionary view, a modern scientific view.

01:47:33.720 And this is not like a biblical view, which you have throughout your career promoted yourself

01:47:38.940 to be telling a biblical view.

01:47:41.020 And so it's very confusing.

01:47:42.800 It's one I disagree with.

01:47:45.380 It's he disagrees with our view on this.

01:47:48.860 And that's fine.

01:47:49.920 But again, we didn't seek out the argument or the or the debate.

01:47:53.340 This person did.

01:47:54.580 So now we will just now we'll talk about it.

01:47:56.420 And you guys ever heard of Rob Skiba?

01:47:58.880 Oh, yeah, we're actually going to we're going to be on his son's show soon.

01:48:03.960 OK, cool.

01:48:04.520 Jeremiah.

01:48:05.360 Skiba Nation.

01:48:06.060 Yes, Skiba Nation.

01:48:07.140 Before we depart from this, though, I just want to say I don't really care about Timothy

01:48:11.740 Alvarino.

01:48:12.180 I care about a dangerous narrative.

01:48:15.740 I want people to be prepared.

01:48:18.120 I agree with whether it was Tom Horne or Steve Quill who said this.

01:48:21.620 This is the great deception.

01:48:23.460 And in my estimation, this is one of the biggest deceptions that mankind is ever going to be

01:48:28.700 subjected to.

01:48:30.260 They've been using Hollywood propaganda for generations.

01:48:33.360 They've been propped up, you know, with with NASA and all these Nazi scientists from Operation 0.94

01:48:38.300 Paperclip.

01:48:38.740 But I think the the fruits of all of these things that take place in like 47 and the early

01:48:44.660 50s are this thing that they're aiming at. 0.75

01:48:47.600 All I care is about people being grounded in the truth, people being grounded in Christ,

01:48:52.580 people not falling for some Pleiadian Christ or some New Age Christ or some Christ consciousness

01:48:58.120 or something like that, and certainly not being deceived with this advanced space brothers

01:49:04.940 narrative that maybe Hollywood wants to serve us up.

01:49:08.120 And it just so happens that Alvarino is a guy that got on my radar who is saying things that

01:49:13.180 lead to those ideas.

01:49:14.680 And I and I've got a real problem with that.

01:49:17.060 And then when I try to press him on it.

01:49:19.200 He just makes himself look bad.

01:49:21.440 He just speaks almost virtually uninterrupted for two and a half hours and everybody overwhelmingly

01:49:27.740 comes away not knowing what this guy is saying.

01:49:31.100 And then he denounces us, says that we're not Christians, calls us demons and all this other

01:49:35.980 crazy crap.

01:49:36.620 And we've not even said that I've not even said that he's a fed or an operative or that

01:49:41.680 he's working with Epstein or some crazy crap like that, or that you shouldn't look at his

01:49:45.940 work.

01:49:46.400 I've not said that.

01:49:47.880 I think he's got a lot of interesting things to offer.

01:49:50.900 You shouldn't look at any one individual as an authority and the end all be all on any

01:49:55.180 of these topics because they're rather intangible and difficult to understand and multifaceted

01:49:59.720 and complex.

01:50:00.660 Go and look at his stuff.

01:50:01.840 But it's strange to me that after a bad showing, he starts making calls.

01:50:07.900 He starts reaching out to people, telling them, if you associate with them, I'm not

01:50:12.040 going to associate with you.

01:50:13.340 He starts making filibuster posts on Twitter.

01:50:16.880 He's in our comment section freaking out after he blocks us and we can't even engage with

01:50:21.380 them.

01:50:21.780 But he's doing these giant walls of text, you know, just dismissing us, saying that we're

01:50:26.540 not Christians, saying if you associate with us that you're on the wrong path and this

01:50:29.940 and that.

01:50:30.240 That that's all strange behavior to me.

01:50:33.680 The only thing that I'm sure of in all of this is that it's all bizarre and I don't

01:50:38.720 have any answer.

01:50:39.420 I don't know what to make of it, but it's bizarre.

01:50:41.520 It's bizarre.

01:50:42.300 And brother, Timothy, if you're listening to this, hi, I'm Sean.

01:50:45.300 Nice to meet you.

01:50:46.440 I would love to invite you to a formal debate with the neutral moderator.

01:50:49.620 We can talk about this topic.

01:50:51.180 Are aliens demonic or are they materialistic?

01:50:54.240 And I'd love to give you a fair shock, a fair shake with the neutral moderator with plenty

01:50:58.980 of time segments uninterrupted for you, uninterrupted for me to present our points.

01:51:02.720 We have a moderator back and forth across a civil loving discussion.

01:51:06.180 I don't get mad.

01:51:06.960 I don't get I don't demonize you.

01:51:08.140 And you can you can repair some of this perceived reputation damage that's going on here with

01:51:13.160 this topic with the actual debate.

01:51:15.180 So I just want to invite you to that.

01:51:16.480 You're welcome to contact me at kingdomacontext at gmail.com.

01:51:19.540 I'd love to set that up.

01:51:21.240 So, guys, I find it fascinating, though, that I respect that a lot.

01:51:26.180 Sorry to cut you off.

01:51:27.040 I respect that a lot.

01:51:28.280 The way you just did that.

01:51:29.160 You're a solid dude.

01:51:30.120 You're a professional.

01:51:31.380 You're calm, cool, collective.

01:51:33.000 You're intelligent.

01:51:33.900 Like, are you taking shots at us, man?

01:51:35.280 I would love to see that.

01:51:36.420 No, I'm just saying like this whole thing sucks, bro, with the dude Alvarino.

01:51:39.500 It does.

01:51:40.060 It does.

01:51:40.600 And like, I would love to see a dude like Sean who talks like clean and clear, calm like that

01:51:45.260 and very intelligent and understanding of the Greek and the Hebrew languages and extra

01:51:50.460 biblical text and clearly biblical text and talk through this.

01:51:54.100 I would love to see that.

01:51:55.120 I would love to see it when it was on our show.

01:51:56.860 That would have been incredible.

01:51:58.200 But we didn't get that opportunity.

01:51:59.480 And that would be rad if the world got to see that, man.

01:52:01.760 I respect that a lot.

01:52:03.140 It's what we were trying to do, but I guess we're not smart enough.

01:52:06.280 No, we're definitely not.

01:52:07.220 I had no business debating anybody.

01:52:09.040 I was just a one contentious point that I was super confused about.

01:52:12.460 Yeah, but you try to take down Timothy Alvarino by letting him talk on Fetter for two hours.

01:52:15.840 How dare you?

01:52:17.520 You're a real piece of work, Christian. 1.00

01:52:19.100 I know.

01:52:19.500 I'm sorry.

01:52:20.040 I'm sorry.

01:52:20.660 In hindsight, that was the wrong thing to do.

01:52:22.300 I should have interrupted.

01:52:25.240 So here's the crazy part.

01:52:27.160 When do you guys think that they're going to disclose actual, we've been interacting with

01:52:31.440 aliens.

01:52:32.440 I'm sorry.

01:52:33.300 Two-part question.

01:52:34.140 When do you think they're going to do official disclosure to where press conference, this

01:52:41.100 dude's here with us.

01:52:42.500 He's real, right?

01:52:44.180 And two, is it going to be a new narrative, like he just showed up, or is it going to be

01:52:48.840 he's been here for a while, we're just finally telling you about it?

01:52:52.440 It's hard to say when, because we've all been waiting for a long time.

01:52:56.760 I've been, you know, sort of an unhinged schizo in this space since like 2006. 1.00

01:53:03.380 And back then, I was late to the game, right?

01:53:05.960 There are people that have been waiting for it for a long time since before me.

01:53:09.000 So it's kind of bold to say that we're at the precipice of that now.

01:53:11.940 I would say that the Epstein files, what's happening right now is we're meant to get them, 0.91

01:53:17.560 sleuth through them, have the most compelling narratives rise to the surface because of our

01:53:22.200 own falling for the trap of sleuthing through the DOJ-related documents.

01:53:26.340 And the public has to get acclimated for that.

01:53:29.280 So there's going to be a period of time podcasters are going to have it first.

01:53:33.220 Eventually, the narratives will form themselves.

01:53:35.740 They'll go to the mainstream media.

01:53:36.880 The average person who's not in the know will gain access to this information in a more

01:53:41.320 cohesive kind of manner where the story's fleshed out.

01:53:44.880 And then after that, we probably still have to see a series of things.

01:53:48.300 I think what's likely going to happen is we'll see.

01:53:50.480 I'm not trying to blackpill.

01:53:51.900 This is not a fear thing, right?

01:53:53.900 My hope is not in the world.

01:53:55.180 It's in Jesus Christ.

01:53:56.320 I'm not afraid of these things happening.

01:53:57.640 So the world is worlding.

01:53:58.720 No big deal.

01:53:59.200 It's been doing that.

01:54:00.040 But I do think that the American dollar will fall away.

01:54:03.380 And there will probably be like a nuclear skirmish of some sort between maybe like an

01:54:07.380 Iran or Israel. 0.58

01:54:08.560 And this is not really like these are just things that I imagine.

01:54:11.620 We'll see something that rhymes with this.

01:54:13.060 That nuclear interaction will be thwarted by the heroic forces that are the aliens. 0.99

01:54:19.960 And they'll reveal themselves that way.

01:54:21.440 And it'll be that narrative of humanity needs to mature and rise up.

01:54:26.580 But you've been obstructed by these nefarious forces that have taken place in various power

01:54:33.560 structures in your world.

01:54:35.300 We're here to remove that.

01:54:36.820 You've seen that, by the way, with the Epstein files.

01:54:39.400 They're drinking baby blood.

01:54:40.640 They're doing X, Y, and Z.

01:54:42.220 That's the old guard.

01:54:43.060 They're out.

01:54:43.920 I don't know the time frame on that process.

01:54:46.140 That's really hard to say.

01:54:47.620 I'd say by 2030.

01:54:49.240 You think so?

01:54:49.880 I mean, there's been a lot of, you know, the agenda 2030 has been kind of a topic of

01:54:53.800 discussion for a long time.

01:54:54.880 And it's something that we've forgotten since after the pandemic and all that.

01:54:58.600 But that date is still on the table for me.

01:55:00.640 And we still have four years until then.

01:55:02.180 So I'm giving them four years to do that.

01:55:04.860 As far as will they present themselves as like we've been here for a long time.

01:55:09.440 I don't think...

01:55:10.960 Well, they're talking about a craft that's so big they couldn't move it that they had

01:55:14.460 to build a building around.

01:55:15.740 Oh, Burleson is saying that, yeah.

01:55:17.100 It's implied that they've been here forever.

01:55:19.500 But how do you...

01:55:21.040 Yes, they could say that or they could say, oh, we just saw what you were doing the last

01:55:25.200 hundred years and stopped you.

01:55:26.340 I don't know how they frame that narrative of, yeah, yeah, we've been watching you guys

01:55:30.560 for centuries, millennia, and say that they're not the gods of old.

01:55:35.080 Because this...

01:55:36.160 That's a hard thing to do, yeah.

01:55:37.040 The propaganda campaign that we've run up against is kind of pushing against the idea

01:55:40.700 of, are these the gods of old?

01:55:42.460 Like, that's kind of what I'm asking.

01:55:43.760 Yeah.

01:55:44.380 Isn't that the entire ancient aliens narrative on the history show?

01:55:48.000 Well, I think maybe then what that does is it says, yeah, gods of old, pantheon, not

01:55:52.020 monotheism, not Jesus Christ.

01:55:53.580 They'll probably explain Jesus in a Pleiadian way.

01:55:56.320 He was an ascended master.

01:55:57.680 That's a hard...

01:55:58.140 Yeah.

01:55:58.700 I think that's what they do.

01:55:59.740 They go, he's an ascended master.

01:56:01.020 Everybody has that ability.

01:56:02.040 Buddha was also one of those characters.

01:56:03.920 You reach a certain stage of enlightenment, lean on your own intellect, your own understanding,

01:56:07.620 and you can ascend and become as, you know, whatever, gods.

01:56:11.620 And so I think they probably acknowledge Christ because they have to, but they repackage him

01:56:17.300 in a way that new age people, sci-fi enjoyers will find more palatable.

01:56:23.640 And then Christians who aren't grounded well enough in their faith will look at that and

01:56:27.040 be like, okay, so Christ was real.

01:56:28.600 That's what all the texts were based off of.

01:56:29.980 But we were just kind of dealing with people using limited language to be able to explain

01:56:34.700 something.

01:56:35.200 And so they missed the mark.

01:56:36.560 I get it now.

01:56:37.620 He just wears a blue suit and silver boots.

01:56:40.220 And so...

01:56:40.960 And that's why a few weeks ago, you had brought it up and made a big point about the fact that

01:56:44.940 he's a Jewish man.

01:56:46.200 Right.

01:56:46.600 That's important as well.

01:56:47.760 His identity matters.

01:56:48.420 Yes.

01:56:48.620 He's from the line of David.

01:56:49.940 And what's important right now is there is a turning of people noticing like the Jews and

01:56:57.000 all their crimes, which if you go through the Bible, you know, Israel is constantly falling 0.84

01:57:01.000 away and coming back and constantly doing crimes.

01:57:02.860 So, you know, nothing new there.

01:57:05.560 But that's God's chosen people.

01:57:07.860 And if there's a remnant of that body within, you know, whoever is pretending to be Jewish 0.98

01:57:11.840 or otherwise, that's God's people.

01:57:14.140 That's God's problem.

01:57:14.760 But there's this thing that's happening on Twitter where they're engineering people to

01:57:18.180 turn and look at the Jews as if they're the adversaries. 0.95

01:57:20.960 They've been cast out of every country, 109, 110 times, yada, yada.

01:57:25.080 They're the ones that commit all the crime.

01:57:26.440 They own this, you know, nefarious company, the pornography, which not to go off on a rabbit

01:57:31.720 trail, but we talked about this.

01:57:33.380 I don't know if it was a show yesterday or two days ago or whatever, but just that like

01:57:36.520 that's a new phenomenon, dude.

01:57:38.440 Like in a copy shop, we talk about being the canary in the copy shop and like cage society

01:57:43.500 by what gets brought up.

01:57:45.060 Just Israel being bad. 1.00

01:57:46.120 It's a new phenomenon.

01:57:46.940 Nobody today.

01:57:48.580 Right.

01:57:48.860 But not in general.

01:57:49.620 Oh, not in general.

01:57:50.120 I'm just saying in general, like it wasn't a thing that was pushed on people like through

01:57:53.660 the internet and through YouTube and through whatever.

01:57:55.840 Not in our generation, but yeah, in 109 other instances.

01:58:00.120 I'm just making a point like three years ago, nobody came into the copy shop and talked

01:58:03.320 about that.

01:58:03.800 Starting two years ago, everybody started to talk about it.

01:58:06.160 Well, now the big thing.

01:58:07.640 In fact, after you guys just said that, I got a notification from my bank.

01:58:10.560 It looks like $7,000 was deducted from my bank.

01:58:13.500 It actually just went to us.

01:58:15.540 God bless Israel.

01:58:17.580 So I think the straw that's going to break the camel's back may well be the Epstein thing.

01:58:23.640 If not, a nuclear fallout between Israel and Iran. 0.57

01:58:26.300 Wait, what?

01:58:27.060 You think it's like right now?

01:58:28.380 It's like at the door?

01:58:29.280 Well, because the Epstein thing within the files, is the G word a slur?

01:58:34.740 I don't know what the rules are with you two.

01:58:36.600 Just don't say it.

01:58:37.360 Okay.

01:58:37.560 I'm not going to say it, but like, you know what?

01:58:39.000 What she's referred to as Gentiles.

01:58:41.800 Not Gentiles. 1.00

01:58:42.820 It's like.

01:58:43.060 It's like that, though.

01:58:44.160 Chef Goyardy.

01:58:46.020 You know, something like that.

01:58:47.000 So anyway, they say that Epstein says that he calls, you know, non-Jews that over and

01:58:54.640 over again.

01:58:54.900 He says they're just slaves meant to serve Israel.

01:58:57.800 Well, it's just meant to get people to this critical mass where finally the crimes of

01:59:03.960 the Jews are overwhelming. 1.00

01:59:05.960 And then we have a nation's turn on all Israel type of situation, especially if they go after 0.91

01:59:09.600 Iran and there's a nuclear war fallout.

01:59:11.300 Let me just say, man, I don't want to cut David off because you can go on and speculate

01:59:14.480 forever and ever.

01:59:15.740 I feel like I just like schizo wove a web. 1.00

01:59:18.140 Well, because you go in one direction and you're like, if I was a pedophile, I can go this

01:59:22.760 way, that way, this way.

01:59:23.320 And it's like, honestly, when it comes down to it, you just kind of have to trust the

01:59:26.840 Holy Spirit.

01:59:27.220 You have to ask to be filled with the Holy Spirit and discernment.

01:59:30.740 And for us, like we say that we're R-worded.

01:59:33.340 And to me, that means that like I'm like I'm clear in a certain way where I'm not having

01:59:39.760 any of these like presuppositions that are not from I'm like, I'm focusing on God.

01:59:45.280 I'm not dealing.

01:59:45.700 I'm not leaning on my own intellect.

01:59:47.100 You can't.

01:59:47.980 You can't.

01:59:48.580 And in a way, the world will call you stupid.

01:59:50.700 The world will call you what they call us.

01:59:52.780 If you're out of your mind, it's for the sake of Christ.

01:59:55.380 The world views you out of your mind.

01:59:57.300 Yeah, exactly.

01:59:57.980 Exactly.

01:59:58.400 I want that.

01:59:58.920 I want that retard strength like Samson. 1.00

02:00:01.480 Yeah.

02:00:02.000 Yes.

02:00:02.440 By the way, people aren't going to look kindly upon Christians if Christians truly stood 1.00

02:00:07.420 in the way of this utopia that these aliens have facilitated.

02:00:10.720 That's true.

02:00:11.400 But I think the point is, is that like, I don't know which way they're going to go with

02:00:15.400 this.

02:00:15.840 But what I do know is that I haven't been wrong yet.

02:00:18.260 And I haven't been reading every single word of these files.

02:00:21.500 I haven't been with my fingers on all of the political tangents that are going on.

02:00:26.740 But what I do is I trust the Holy Spirit.

02:00:29.520 I ask to be filled with it and to be guided.

02:00:31.820 And I ask for discernment.

02:00:32.740 That's one of the things that I always want.

02:00:34.540 Just the ability to know when BS is coming my way.

02:00:37.900 And I've had pretty good success.

02:00:40.620 I don't want to be like, it's not me at all.

02:00:42.760 It's just something that I ask for.

02:00:43.980 It's something that I want.

02:00:45.500 And I think if we ask for that, we'll be guided in the right way.

02:00:48.860 And we won't be led astray, no matter what comes.

02:00:51.640 Because I'm sure, I'm sure like whatever's coming, it's going to throw us a crazy curve

02:00:56.200 ball, like something that none of us will see.

02:00:58.400 If it's a great deception, there's no way I'm going to be on top of all of it.

02:01:02.920 There's just no way.

02:01:03.820 Oh, no, definitely not.

02:01:04.840 I don't, it's not, it's not me, not without God, not without God.

02:01:09.040 That's why I try to point people back to God's word, because I believe he has told us who

02:01:13.360 these people are with a setting, which we all live in, which, which wipes away like 99% 0.71

02:01:19.940 of the deception, in my opinion.

02:01:21.300 And I know this is super controversial.

02:01:23.320 If you guys want to cut this part out, I don't know how much you talk about this in your

02:01:25.840 channel or not, but there is no possible way for an alien invasion and all this fake

02:01:29.960 disclosure and all this nonsense.

02:01:31.460 If we live under a firmament and all this is just a false God perpetuating a narrative

02:01:37.740 in a fictional reality mindset to where like, so think about this, like the ancient cultures,

02:01:45.060 they all believed that we were enclosed by a firmament.

02:01:47.600 They just described it differently.

02:01:48.780 Like the Babylonians thought it was made of bricks, right?

02:01:51.700 Which sounds kind of laughable, right?

02:01:53.160 Whereas Josephus describes it as a crystalline substance, like an arch domed crystalline

02:01:58.400 substance, which is, seems to be what Psalms and Job's and other, other Amos and other

02:02:02.960 place, other descriptions of it seem to be as well.

02:02:05.800 And I'm, I don't mean to cut off and be rude like that.

02:02:09.360 I'm just new at podcasting, but I just want to make sure I'm tracking with this.

02:02:11.980 And like, so would you say then that's like the floor of where God's at though?

02:02:15.820 That, that same thing you're describing?

02:02:17.300 Yeah.

02:02:18.000 So imagine the biblical description is multiple layers of the word heaven and Genesis one

02:02:24.220 verse eight described that the first time we get to introduce the word heaven, it is

02:02:27.980 the name given to the structure called the rakia, the firmament.

02:02:32.100 So the word heaven, when we use the word heaven, it does denote a location, but it also denotes

02:02:37.540 the actual name given to a structure.

02:02:39.320 So imagine Matt, if you built a house, you built a seven story house and then when you're

02:02:44.560 done, you step back and you say, Oh, honey, look, I finished our collection of wood, nails

02:02:49.940 and screws.

02:02:51.260 No, you step back and you say, honey, look, I finished our home.

02:02:55.520 That's what Genesis one eight is doing.

02:02:57.520 It looks at the structure that was put in place, which is the rakia. 1.00

02:03:00.840 And then God calls it the heaven, which encompasses both the earth.

02:03:04.620 And there's multiple layers of heaven above us, which are described like Genesis, Deuteronomy

02:03:08.780 10, 14.

02:03:09.900 Yahweh is the God of the most high of the heaven of the heavens, right?

02:03:13.320 And there's multiple places in scripture where there's a multiple layers of heaven

02:03:16.540 described, um, the Christians and the early Christians that I would lovingly, I would

02:03:22.320 say, um, early, you know, Hebrews as well.

02:03:26.080 Um, Judaism starts to reinterpret it differently, right? 0.92

02:03:29.100 There's like, if you look in the Talmud, there's rabbis arguing about how many layers

02:03:32.780 of heaven there are.

02:03:34.160 And the, the traditional view was that there were seven total firmaments, right?

02:03:40.120 And this is consistent with, um, the Testament of Levi found amongst the DC scrolls.

02:03:45.020 That's a part of the Testament to a patriarchs that was included in the Armenian canon.

02:03:48.500 This is consistent even with Irenaeus in the second century.

02:03:51.520 Irenaeus describes the creation with seven layers of heaven.

02:03:56.420 And he, he tries to give a description of it as if it's the menorah turned upside down with

02:04:02.520 the inner outer branches, all creating seven different layers.

02:04:05.700 And we're on the bottom layer and the layer right above us is, is encompassed between layer

02:04:10.960 one and two would be the water that's still up there that was separated on day two.

02:04:14.140 The one that flooded down in Genesis 7, 11, when the floodgates were opened, that's where

02:04:18.720 the water came from.

02:04:20.100 There's still water above it.

02:04:21.180 Psalm 148, four, there's still water there, like a barrier between us and the light of

02:04:25.400 the sun and the moon coming through it, which I think is a wonderful buffer for the strength

02:04:29.300 of the sun's light, by the way, but that's a whole physics thing.

02:04:32.780 And then the layer above that would be where you have the sun and the moon.

02:04:36.420 And then the layers above that, you have different layers of angelic habitations leading up

02:04:40.880 to the seventh layer, which is where the throne of the most high is.

02:04:43.120 And so this is why when it says the heavens plural opened at Christ's baptism, this is

02:04:49.480 a significant event.

02:04:51.340 When it talks about revelation, I explained, Sean.

02:04:53.720 Yeah, that's fantastic.

02:04:54.860 And it didn't take you 45 minutes.

02:04:57.580 That's why they call me the fundamentalist.

02:05:00.240 It's so crazy because the idea that you could just take it upon yourself to explain something

02:05:05.180 so complex and take three minutes.

02:05:07.520 Well, it means you understand it.

02:05:08.760 That's the mark of understanding.

02:05:09.960 Yeah, I've done whole debates with pastors on this topic because it's over 500 times it's

02:05:15.520 mentioned, described, and explained in scripture everywhere.

02:05:18.320 Where is it mentioned that there are 12 doors around the earth?

02:05:22.300 Yeah, that's fascinating.

02:05:23.060 In 1 Sennoc chapter 72 through 82, it talks about the sun, moon, and stars and how they

02:05:29.660 move in the firm and above us and shine down upon the different courses and seasons they

02:05:33.540 go through.

02:05:33.900 And then it also talks about the winds and how the winds are let in.

02:05:38.200 So imagine your cardinal directions, east, northwest, and south, but doing so from a 0.99

02:05:43.460 flat, you know, like a flat topographical circle of earth that's enclosed by a firmament.

02:05:48.260 And then on the east, west, north, and south sides of the firmament, there's three portals

02:05:53.440 on each cardinal direction, totaling 12.

02:05:56.180 And depending on the seasons of the year, one of those three portals in each of the four

02:06:00.960 quadrants is opened, allowing different winds in, and the angels are in control of this.

02:06:05.020 Like they're controlling the whole system.

02:06:07.600 Yeah.

02:06:07.920 Job, I think somewhere in Job, it talks about like the treasuries or the storehouses of the

02:06:11.560 winds, something like that as well.

02:06:14.420 Because it literally is outside in the same way.

02:06:16.420 There's a whole compartment in Job.

02:06:18.920 I think it's a chapter 38 verse 22, where it talks about the storehouses of hail used for

02:06:25.060 the day of battle, which we see used in Joshua chapter 10, by the way, when Yahweh rains down

02:06:30.060 hail and kills more Amorites than the Israelites even did with the swords. 0.99

02:06:33.020 Matthew coming a flat earther.

02:06:34.040 I know.

02:06:34.540 I love this.

02:06:35.880 We're talking about flat earth right now?

02:06:37.860 We're talking about the firmament.

02:06:39.220 We're talking about the firmament.

02:06:40.760 See, that's the Psy-Up.

02:06:42.800 The word flat earth is the Psy-Up, because when you Google that, it shows you a disk of

02:06:46.060 earth with water falling off of it in space.

02:06:48.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:06:49.760 So like the whole thing is a misdirect, because it's showing you the wrong setting for what the

02:06:54.420 Bible describes.

02:06:55.080 The Bible describes a seven story house with two basements, basement one and two, Sheol

02:07:00.200 and Tartars.

02:07:01.320 Pillars.

02:07:01.760 That's an interesting thing brought up.

02:07:03.640 It mimics the idea of New Jerusalem as well, like the 12 gates that are around New Jerusalem,

02:07:08.660 although New Jerusalem is a cube, which is, I guess, maybe this plane is also square, right?

02:07:15.160 I don't know.

02:07:16.280 Yeah, the New Jerusalem is described as the size of a small continent, like 1500 miles length,

02:07:21.240 width and height.

02:07:21.720 And it comes down, sits between Euphrates and the Nile, and if that were sitting on top

02:07:26.040 of a ball with a 4,000 mile radius, as we're told, you wouldn't even be able to walk up

02:07:30.920 to the gates of the city, because it would be 121 miles off the curvature of the earth

02:07:34.580 from a four square city sitting down.

02:07:36.780 So it would have to like drill down into, it would knock the earth off its axis.

02:07:40.600 Like there would be a whole problem, like physics, all of the heliocentric math that

02:07:44.600 goes into the garbage can the moment the New Jerusalem comes down. 0.59

02:07:47.700 And all the satellites would just run into the side of the New Jerusalem, because they're 0.86

02:07:51.340 only 200 miles up at most.

02:07:52.820 Some of them are, you know, like it, like the, none of it makes any sense, guys.

02:07:57.760 The, the, the eschatology, this is why when I have pastors on an interview and do debates

02:08:02.280 and stuff, I always try to get them to talk to me about their eschatology, because it's

02:08:06.140 a heavily overlooked topic in Christendom is people like you've got amillennialism, you've

02:08:11.780 got premill, you've got preterism, and you've got all this different argumentation points,

02:08:15.580 but they never talk about the reality of Ezekiel 37 and revelation 21 says that Yahweh's house

02:08:21.240 is going to descend and sit on the earth.

02:08:23.720 Like that's a big, big deal.

02:08:26.060 Like that's the conclusion of the story is that the creator who made us is going to come

02:08:30.260 down here and dwell amongst mankind.

02:08:32.980 That's the promise of the kingdom come.

02:08:35.020 Right.

02:08:35.620 So if that's the case, is it a literal kingdom?

02:08:38.020 Is the spiritual, it's a spiritual kingdom.

02:08:40.180 Can it physically interact with the material world?

02:08:42.340 A hundred percent.

02:08:43.160 That's the end of the story.

02:08:44.080 Like it's intended to, you know, like all nations will come to the new Jerusalem for

02:08:48.600 free food and water and medicine.

02:08:49.960 I got all the verses for that.

02:08:51.280 If you know, we can do a different show.

02:08:53.440 The survivors of the day, the Lord come to it for refuge so they can learn how to live

02:08:58.260 in peace with one another.

02:08:59.140 They beat their swords into plowshares.

02:09:00.780 Like the whole thing is designed.

02:09:02.740 The end of the story is the spiritual world fully integrates within our physical reality

02:09:08.700 in our layer of the firmament.

02:09:10.940 The father's house comes down.

02:09:13.180 That's why in second, second Corinthians chapter 12, one through three, when Paul talks about

02:09:17.620 a man, he knew who had a vision and went to the third heaven and saw paradise.

02:09:22.940 That paradise is the same word used in Revelation two and Revelation 22 of the new Jerusalem

02:09:27.160 is the word paradise.

02:09:28.740 He saw, and it's there awaiting that.

02:09:31.160 Here's where, here's where we've tried to like share with people.

02:09:33.920 And we're going to include this in our days of Noah series.

02:09:36.680 It's already, we already tease it in episode one, this, this thing I'm about to tell you.

02:09:40.940 Is the garden of Eden is the new Jerusalem in its, in its pre enhanced form. 0.84

02:09:50.080 So the garden is in both.

02:09:52.440 Yeah.

02:09:53.040 So like the garden of Eden, remember in Genesis 3, 24, when they're kicked out of the garden

02:09:57.240 and there's an angel set to guard the way to the tree of life so that they can't get

02:10:01.680 back to it.

02:10:02.160 Flaming sword.

02:10:03.120 Yeah.

02:10:03.420 So that means if that angel wasn't there, they could get back to it.

02:10:06.280 Right.

02:10:07.500 Yeah.

02:10:07.800 So that means it's still there on the ground.

02:10:11.420 Yeah.

02:10:11.580 Enoch, well, Enoch 65, I believe.

02:10:14.880 Well, so between Jubilees and not consistently, it tells you that Enoch was taken into the garden

02:10:19.000 where he would be kept away from the violence that was happening to write down the condemnation

02:10:22.720 of what was going on leading up to the flood.

02:10:25.540 And then, you know, Jubilee seven tells you he did die before the flood.

02:10:28.860 He's not living forever inside.

02:10:30.200 But the point is, what I'm getting at is the garden was still on the ground after Adam

02:10:34.160 and Eve were kicked out up to the flood.

02:10:37.060 And this is what I try to do a whole show where I try to go through the timeline of the

02:10:41.820 garden of Eden.

02:10:42.600 So people are always like, where's the garden of Eden?

02:10:44.460 They're going on, you know, the expeditions to South Africa.

02:10:47.200 And, you know, what was that one kid?

02:10:48.920 He said, where they thought it was in Florida and all that stuff.

02:10:50.880 And so the people are thinking it's the garden of Eden still on the earth somewhere.

02:10:53.500 It's just been, it's just like Shangri-La.

02:10:54.940 It's just mystically hidden from reality.

02:10:56.880 It's like, no, no, the Bible tells you it was on the ground.

02:11:00.580 It got destroyed by the flood, Isaiah 49 and 54.

02:11:03.380 Talk about the details of Zion, how it's overcome with storm, tossed with waves, destroyed, desecrated.

02:11:09.600 And then 2nd Ezra chapter 7, verse 26, literally tells you it was withdrawn into heaven.

02:11:15.760 And that's why in New Testament, Paul's talking about it being in the third heaven.

02:11:20.680 And then Revelation, John's vision of Revelation, it comes down out of heaven.

02:11:23.660 Again, it's the return, it's the return, it's just made bigger to accommodate for everyone that takes part in the first resurrection who's going to inherit a spot in there.

02:11:33.760 And then when it sets down, all the people that didn't take part in the first resurrection, Revelation 24 through 6, they're considered survivors of the nations who will come to it to learn God's ways, to stop mourning with each other, to get free medicine from the leaves.

02:11:47.620 The healing of the nations.

02:11:48.620 That's right, yeah.

02:11:49.840 So if you're resurrected and glorified, Revelation 21, 7, you've already received your inheritance inside the city.

02:11:55.160 You don't need leaves for healing.

02:11:57.280 You're perfected, you know what I mean?

02:11:59.640 And Enoch, which I had to listen to a bunch of times, so I never got the chapter.

02:12:04.260 So I had to look it up because I tried to read it.

02:12:06.200 And I just, for whatever reason, couldn't focus.

02:12:08.180 I found it on audiobook.

02:12:09.040 And I remember hearing Enoch as he's being taken around by Raphael that he's, you know, he's seeing all these different places.

02:12:17.580 And I remember there being like a tree in the garden that he saw.

02:12:19.720 And I remember being like, oh, did he see the garden?

02:12:21.940 And I'm looking at it here and it describes it as the garden of righteousness is Enoch 24 through 25 and then 30 through 31.

02:12:28.740 It includes the tree of knowledge.

02:12:30.900 So do you take that to mean that he saw the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

02:12:37.840 Yes.

02:12:37.980 And then the tree of life had already been transplanted at that time.

02:12:41.740 So, yeah, he's taken and shown in his tour of all creation throughout the different passages of Enoch.

02:12:47.600 He's also shown the garden.

02:12:50.280 That's where he spent the 300 years with the angels of God protected.

02:12:54.700 This is what we've tried to show the Greek and like Hebrews 11, 5.

02:12:57.800 And it talks about Enoch was transferred so he wouldn't see death.

02:13:02.620 It doesn't mean he was already given his resurrection body before Christ.

02:13:05.620 Christ was the first fruits of the promise of resurrection, right?

02:13:08.600 He was taken into the – if you have jubilees, the ancient Israelite writings that give you the extra details, which other Christians have in their canon throughout history,

02:13:16.560 you would have the background knowledge of what happened with Enoch, where he went, and why in 1 Enoch, I think it's chapter 65,

02:13:22.920 Noah goes to the edge of the garden and speaks with Enoch because Noah just had a vision that terrified him about the coming flood.

02:13:31.560 So, okay, so like Enoch and Elijah, like to your point, nobody could have a glorified body, resurrected body before Jesus because he's the first fruits.

02:13:40.720 So you're saying those dudes are just chilling in the garden.

02:13:42.720 No, Enoch died before the flood.

02:13:46.420 That was his purpose, to be taken into the garden, to be a scribe, to write down the deeds of wickedness happening in the earth,

02:13:52.020 to be a condemnation against mankind for the flood, for the legal validation of the flood.

02:13:57.240 And then Elijah was just taken by a chariot to a different location.

02:14:01.360 This, again, goes into the definition of heaven, right?

02:14:04.120 It says he was taken with the chariots up into heaven, but that's just the sky because you're not going above the firmament, right?

02:14:09.920 Mankind cannot live above the firmament. 1 Enoch 15 talks about this.

02:14:14.220 Is it also like biblical to say, because when we did read about Elijah, it seems like the dude was moving around a lot.

02:14:20.640 Like people weren't sure where he was or if he just bounced at some point.

02:14:24.420 Yeah, like either he was running away or he was being like supernaturally moved.

02:14:27.780 Yeah, when he does get taken up, the sons of the prophets are arguing with Elisha.

02:14:32.100 They're like, no, no, God just took him and put him on some other mount.

02:14:34.820 He does that.

02:14:35.420 And there was another place, I think one of the, like a good servant in Ahab's household was like, no, hey, he said, okay, go tell Ahab I'm here.

02:14:45.720 He said, no, no, I'm going to do that.

02:14:46.980 And then the Lord is going to pick you up and take you somewhere else.

02:14:50.020 And then I'm going to look like an idiot when he comes back.

02:14:51.720 He's going to kill me.

02:14:52.600 So like he had a proclivity to just, he's like, you do that thing, dude.

02:14:56.340 I'm not going to fall for that.

02:14:56.840 It seems like it was alluding to it that, yeah, God would move him around or something.

02:15:00.120 What an interesting character, right?

02:15:01.680 Yeah, so I'm going to put this on screen real quick.

02:15:03.480 Like this is a show I did on Elijah.

02:15:05.180 I did two different separate shows.

02:15:06.420 One, you know, Elijah, because these are the two characters always brought up when this discussion happens.

02:15:11.020 As far as did anyone partake, did anyone go to heaven before Christ resurrected and ascended back to heaven?

02:15:17.340 Because you've got conflicts with John chapter three, if so.

02:15:20.500 And then if who, did anyone get the resurrected glorified body before Christ did?

02:15:24.500 Because then you got conflicts with first Corinthians 15, if so.

02:15:27.660 Right.

02:15:27.800 So, but in most Christian churches, it's taught that, oh, Enoch and Elijah never die.

02:15:32.780 They're just taking to heaven and they're just chilling up there.

02:15:34.960 But I don't think that's what the scriptures are saying.

02:15:37.100 So I did a whole show on both of these characters.

02:15:39.800 This one is the one I did on Elijah.

02:15:41.240 And I put together a timeline that basically I tried to go through the scriptures to show the kings that reigned during the days of Elijah and Elisha, when Elisha leaves with the chariots of fire versus when you get that letter later, Elijah's letter that happens later to Jehoram.

02:16:01.420 Which basically meant he was still alive.

02:16:05.240 So the point I'm trying to show is basically the scriptures.

02:16:08.900 Yeah.

02:16:09.160 Yeah.

02:16:09.380 Because there's actually a, there's actually a letter from Elijah.

02:16:12.940 You're saying that's after he got taken up.

02:16:15.060 So he did just get taken up and just took somewhere else, but was still walking around the earth.

02:16:19.120 That's right.

02:16:19.740 He was still there.

02:16:21.020 He just died in peace.

02:16:22.400 He died out of the spotlight because Elisha took over.

02:16:25.440 Right.

02:16:26.300 Because, you know, Elisha asked for double the, double the portion.

02:16:28.860 Um, he's now, he was trained for 20 years by Elijah.

02:16:31.920 He takes over, but Elijah goes and just retires in peace basically.

02:16:36.160 But yet about 10 years later, sends a letter of reprimand.

02:16:39.840 Yeah.

02:16:40.080 And that's the truth, which, which I mean, that's what he asked for too.

02:16:43.500 He was like, God, let's take me out.

02:16:44.660 Did he ask for death?

02:16:45.600 Did he ask for death or did he ask to be taken out?

02:16:47.300 Yeah.

02:16:47.440 I mean, he has to get taken out.

02:16:49.420 Whatever.

02:16:49.760 I remember he was, he was, there was so much turmoil with, you know, Ahab and Jezebel and all that stuff. 0.54

02:16:54.160 He was being hunted and at various times.

02:16:56.340 And so I think he just went to retire in seclusion.

02:17:00.720 Um, but also in Hebrews chapter 11, it directly tells you, you know, the hall of faith, right?

02:17:05.380 Hebrews chapter 11 verses one through 37 talks about all these incredible men and women of the scripture who gave their life for, for, as verse 35 says, the greater resurrection, the hope of a greater resurrection.

02:17:15.960 Right.

02:17:16.280 They're willing to go to torturous deaths and martyrdom for the sake of the promise of the covenant, which is the resurrection to eternal life.

02:17:22.820 Then in verse 39 and 40, at the very end of the chapter, it says, all these referring back to everyone who just previously mentioned have not been perfected, have not taken, taken part in this yet without us, but together with us will be perfected.

02:17:37.420 Because this is why we try to share with people, like the, the moment you get your incorruptible glorified body at the, at the first resurrection is at the seventh trumpet.

02:17:46.280 It's a one-off moment.

02:17:47.440 It's at the second coming of Christ.

02:17:49.220 You don't have a whole bunch of glorified people already just chilling everywhere.

02:17:52.740 Like it's all, it's all, it's all, the first resurrection is a big deal taught in scripture.

02:17:57.020 And it all happens on one day at the second coming of Christ.

02:18:00.280 And that's, and there's multiple reasons for that scripturally.

02:18:03.000 And so this is one of the things we talk about often on our channel is the details of the first resurrection and how it's, you know, it's overlooked just like the new Jerusalem.

02:18:11.720 It's an overlooked topic of discussion.

02:18:14.180 And when I interview pastors on the channel, they have all different interpretations of the first resurrection.

02:18:19.020 Um, and like, there's even a bunch of different versions of it, like from one pastor to the next, it's not a cohesive.

02:18:26.940 Yeah.

02:18:27.440 Yeah.

02:18:27.720 And, and no one knows like what the, like the ontological change, like you don't, we don't get back this, this decaying temple of doom.

02:18:34.280 Like we get an actual glorified body, you know, that's, that, um, the same as like Jesus exemplified, right?

02:18:39.700 He is our forerunner.

02:18:40.820 This first Corinthians talks about, right?

02:18:42.500 Chapter 15.

02:18:43.340 And, um, and so this is why like all these details matter when it comes to, you know, how God is going to come to the earth and establish peace and put the devil in a hole for a thousand years and throw the unclean spirits in like a fire.

02:18:55.900 And all these details that, that a lot of them, you know, not a lot of them, but, uh, some significant aspects of those details are given to us in books like Jubilees and Enoch that were a part of the ancient literature.

02:19:09.500 Did you guys know that?

02:19:10.540 Like it's wild.

02:19:12.140 There's an eighth century historian named George Sincalos, who was a Greek historian who was trying to make a chronographia that it's like the first history book he was trying to make in the eighth century AD.

02:19:20.000 And he actually leans upon the book of Jubilees for his history.

02:19:23.760 Isn't that crazy?

02:19:25.660 Okay.

02:19:26.600 So specifically for pre-flood information, you know, because Jubilees goes into greater depth, um, than even Enoch does when it tries to break down the three different types of Nephilim that were around during those days.

02:19:38.740 And then how Noah reacted after the flood when now that the unclean spirits were still here, the disembodied Nephilim were still here.

02:19:44.920 And in chapter 10 directly Coral gives you the direct explanation as Noah is praying to God, asking for help against these things, saying, these are the sons of your watchers.

02:19:54.780 And these came from before the flood and they're still here after the flood and they're causing my sons and daughters to sin and to go into warfare.

02:20:00.980 And I need help, you know what I mean?

02:20:02.840 And like, it's a direct connection before pre and post flood to what these unclean spirits are, how they were infecting mankind before the flood and how they're affecting mankind after the flood.

02:20:13.320 Um, and without that information, the average Christian is truly lost when it comes to this spiritual battle.

02:20:20.360 And that's why this deception is so big in our day.

02:20:23.540 That's what was so amazing to me was that it was, it was an aspect of Christian and Christianity.

02:20:28.340 I was not familiar with whatsoever.

02:20:30.140 Um, and through my conspiracy research, I became really, uh, comfortable with the idea of, you know, these various pantheons.

02:20:38.400 And I, and I wasn't somebody that interpreted these things as like strictly symbolic because it just didn't seem that way.

02:20:43.420 It didn't seem that way based on the people and the culture.

02:20:45.320 It didn't seem that way based off of what I was seeing even in modern day.

02:20:49.100 Right.

02:20:49.340 It seemed like there was still the worship of these entities and that they were very real, whether or not they were flesh and blood today, you know, was, was up for debate.

02:20:57.800 But I could see their presence and their fingerprint.

02:20:59.520 And I, I didn't, I wasn't looking to Christianity for, um, a frame of reference on those entities.

02:21:07.020 And then when I came to Christianity, I came in through like a Michael Heiser worldview.

02:21:11.820 I came in through the idea of the Nephilim. 0.93

02:21:14.340 Like that was always my framework over these last years.

02:21:17.820 I don't know, five years or so, uh, of how to look at this entire phenomenon.

02:21:22.540 And so it's strange to me actually to be new in, in my walk and new to my understanding of Christianity, but then to turn to people who have been, you know, uh, seminary school, what have you raised in the church, always been a part of it.

02:21:36.120 And so much vastly, uh, more adept in scripture than I am.

02:21:41.560 Uh, it feels like I couldn't close the gap, but they disagree with this, which to me, I'm like, this is a fundamental piece without this.

02:21:49.780 The lens doesn't work.

02:21:50.980 It was always my holdup as like a, as a Christian, a younger Christian in the church.

02:21:54.820 There are like things in the Bible where you ask the pastor, the Bible, the Bible school teacher, and they don't have adequate answers.

02:22:00.880 And I'm like, well, that's just not good enough for me.

02:22:03.440 And I'm out.

02:22:05.440 Yeah.

02:22:05.740 I think I shared that with you guys.

02:22:07.360 That was part of my story.

02:22:09.040 Um, many years, like 15 years ago, I was going to not only the church I was going to, but other, because I used to live in a, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, there's mega churches everywhere.

02:22:17.060 A lot of churches is the Bible belt.

02:22:18.340 And I, not only to the church I was going to, I was, I would make weekly appointments with multiple assistant pastors to ask them Bible questions like between Sundays, but I would go to other churches and make appointments with those pastors at different, like, because I was going to a Methodist church.

02:22:32.420 And then I would go make appointments with the Presbyterian pastor and the Baptist pastor.

02:22:35.860 Like I would go to these other people to try to say, ask them these biblical questions, many of them about the Nephilim.

02:22:41.540 And I started hearing all these different answers and some of them just basically would just honestly say, you know, I just don't know, you know?

02:22:47.760 And I'm sitting there going, forgive, forgive my, my negative reaction, sir.

02:22:53.660 But, um, it says it right here.

02:22:57.860 Like, and, and by the way, there is a, when we, you know, even back in 2012, 2013, like there were online resources for looking up what the, you know, lexiconical resources, looking up the definition of words.

02:23:09.300 Right.

02:23:09.520 So I would, I'd be like, but, but the definition of the word says this, like, so why, why are we not taking this seriously?

02:23:15.880 Those are the worst conversations where you're like, you know what, you're not a bad dude, bro, but why don't you go work at Walmart?

02:23:21.860 Like, like, why are you in the pulpit?

02:23:23.580 You know what I'm saying?

02:23:24.360 And not to say that any of us knows everything and we're not still learning.

02:23:27.500 Like, amen.

02:23:28.360 Why hopefully we're all still learning all the way to the end.

02:23:31.260 But some of this basic stuff, I've had those same conversations with pastors where I'm like, bro, you should just be a greeter at Walmart.

02:23:36.940 Well, you know what it is?

02:23:37.720 It frames a fundamental problem.

02:23:39.580 The fundamental problem is from, from, from my perspective, being outside of religion growing up, I would say, well, they can't all be true. 0.89

02:23:48.120 Right.

02:23:48.580 Or, or they're all claiming to be true when the other one's not true.

02:23:51.360 And, and this one's saying I have the truth and the other ones aren't true.

02:23:54.400 And, and so, but what happens when you have this, this frame, it's like, oh no, they were all right.

02:24:00.940 They were just, the other ones were wrong about the nature of the things that they were worshiping.

02:24:06.080 And, and that was like a real eureka moment, right?

02:24:10.600 Where it's like, you're worshiping this pantheon.

02:24:12.500 Well, it's like, it's not like the Bible says, um, that's not real.

02:24:16.560 And Christianity is the only thing that's real, but that's how modern day Christians act. 1.00

02:24:22.360 Right.

02:24:22.840 That's how a lot of people are going about this whole thing is like, well, the Greek pantheon, that's not a real thing at all.

02:24:29.040 This is just a mythology and I go, but they built and dedicated cities and cultures and, and unbelievable swaths of time and text to these things, worship and dedication.

02:24:42.120 And you do that with the Vedic pantheon and you do that with, you know, the, the Sumerians and, and, you know, the Mayans and the Aztecs and on and on and on.

02:24:49.580 And how could that thing that was erected in honor of these things.

02:24:53.520 And then I look at Christianity and what's been erected in honor of, of Jesus Christ.

02:24:57.440 And I go, they did, they've done the same thing here.

02:25:00.420 So is that the mark of truth is how much time a people is willing to dedicate to a thing.

02:25:06.140 And then it's like, once you have that and you go, no, they dedicated it to these things because they were duped into worshiping false gods, false gods.

02:25:14.860 That were real, that were fallen angels.

02:25:17.480 They were duped into worshiping demigods that are, that are Nephilim. 0.60

02:25:21.300 All of that start, it pulls it all together.

02:25:24.420 And it's like, I, I feel almost terrible.

02:25:27.280 I don't understand how you can go.

02:25:28.980 And I'm not saying like, you can't find meaning in Jesus unless like you have this part of the lens.

02:25:33.860 It's just like the worldview becomes so, in my opinion, rich and obvious.

02:25:40.420 Once you have that piece to, to pull it all together, it, it, it, it does really pull together everything from every, you know, uh, people of antiquity.

02:25:51.120 It goes back to the initial question that you asked him to start the show was, uh, who do you think is better off?

02:25:56.360 Do you think this person is in good standing?

02:25:57.800 The one that's great.

02:25:58.620 We call it grandma maxing.

02:25:59.800 Oh yeah.

02:26:00.280 Said a thing and goes demonic.

02:26:01.780 Don't really need to know more about this.

02:26:03.700 I'm going to put my faith in Jesus Christ.

02:26:05.980 Have a good night guys.

02:26:07.080 Or, and, and on the other side of it, you have researchers, well, like sort of like us, but definitely like you who are like, I'm going to, I need to know exactly.

02:26:15.640 Yeah.

02:26:16.440 You know, the other thing too, without it is if you're not Christian, let's say you're newly aspiring pagan, you're getting into wickedness or you're, you're, uh, unironically worshiping the, the Norse, you know, pantheon or something like that, which is very popular. 0.72

02:26:31.420 Now everybody's got rune tattoos and everybody's unironically worshiping Odin and Thor.

02:26:36.440 And, and you adhere to that thing and you go, the other ones aren't real and Jesus Christ, definitely not real, but this thing is real.

02:26:42.620 Maybe you had an experience.

02:26:43.980 Well, there's a weird thing happening today too.

02:26:46.780 Uh, there used to be like a lot more atheists, bro.

02:26:50.840 Oh yeah.

02:26:51.280 Now there's not like, that's not a thing.

02:26:53.160 Like, it's the craziest thing.

02:26:54.200 I used to be, everybody was an atheist and then that's not it.

02:26:58.240 It's like somehow, however, they pushed the narratives and stuff.

02:27:01.440 They shifted the narrative from being an atheist to like believing in the, what do you call the Palladians and stuff?

02:27:09.700 Oh yeah.

02:27:09.840 Like a new age.

02:27:11.400 Yeah.

02:27:11.740 Like the shift happened now.

02:27:13.320 The shift was after COVID.

02:27:14.860 Um, I think a lot of people got a good look at evil and they said, well, there better be something else.

02:27:21.020 Yeah.

02:27:21.220 And so now if you, if you're an atheist still, I just think that you're not thinking at all. 0.52

02:27:26.420 There are a couple, but.

02:27:27.520 Well, it does lead to this really fantastic question though.

02:27:29.980 If you have that lens once again, of like the Nephilim and the Fallen where it's like, okay, the Pleiadians show up.

02:27:35.200 Now I have to ask myself like, oh, what's the nature of these things?

02:27:38.660 Are they like, like Fallen Angels or like Nephilim or like some sort of hybrid thing?

02:27:42.740 Cause it, and then you start looking into it and it's like, well, they have a hybridization program.

02:27:47.140 They seem to be really obsessed with human genetics, right?

02:27:49.880 They seem to flee at the name of Christ.

02:27:51.500 Oh, okay.

02:27:52.100 Okay, cool.

02:27:52.680 Gotcha.

02:27:53.020 I know what that is now.

02:27:53.840 So what you talked about earlier about there's people like us that interested in this.

02:28:03.220 When we look into this, there is a unique rub that's happening in Christian, or at least my experience in Christendom, where you're having seminary trained pastors come up being told a certain narrative of theology and history that leaves a huge open gap for this deception to fall into.

02:28:22.920 Meanwhile, their major priority they're being taught is church administration and church growth.

02:28:29.200 So they're, they're being taught, how do we grow the church versus is our doctrine on point?

02:28:35.160 Like, are we actually making sense with what we're teaching because they can just, you know, I'm not trying to be derogatory towards them.

02:28:43.620 This just is the natural outflow of how this happens.

02:28:46.540 They just kind of broad stroke the difficult questions away to say, well, look, we're really, where are you serving today in the church?

02:28:54.880 And don't get me wrong.

02:28:56.660 I'm not bashing it.

02:28:57.620 Go serve at your local church, be a part of their lay ministries, be a part of helping people get your hands and feet busy, actually doing something to help the body of believers.

02:29:06.680 But there are a lot of people sitting in the pews that want to know the details so that it's all as cohesive and makes sense, this big story.

02:29:13.300 Right.

02:29:13.400 And without that, you get, you just get kind of like, oh yeah, we're excited.

02:29:17.620 We, you know, we did 10 more baptisms this week or we'd had, you know, I used to, when I was in high school, I went to a Baptist church.

02:29:23.380 They had this little board on the, on the wall that said how many people got saved in the last month, you know?

02:29:27.820 And I was just like, okay, that's cool.

02:29:30.340 But, you know, the vast majority of the people that were sitting in the crowd, they're out at the lake on the weekends, getting drunk and fooling around.

02:29:38.900 You know what I mean?

02:29:39.440 Like, so yeah, it's, it's a balance, right?

02:29:42.680 Of like, get involved in the church, your local church, your community, try to help be a part of something.

02:29:47.200 But at the same time, that doesn't mean we just slack off on doctrine.

02:29:50.740 So in the book of Acts, I can't remember if it's chapter five or chapter six, all the apostles from chapter two, plus the 120, plus a whole bunch of other people, remember they were adding to their number daily.

02:30:01.540 And then they started, I can't remember exactly the passage, Matt may remember, they were regulating several of them to just be teachers.

02:30:08.400 And they were devoting, after they pulled their resources together, they set aside like six or seven guys to just study.

02:30:15.020 Oh, you're talking about when the Greek widows were being neglected, the Hebrew widows were getting their stuff.

02:30:21.200 And then the apostles said, hey, we can't stop like doing what we're doing to deal with this business.

02:30:26.120 Somebody, somebody's got to do it, but we can't stop because we have to attend to the ministry of the word and prayer.

02:30:31.180 And then they said, so we got to get some people to oversee this.

02:30:34.400 Let's go get the local wealthy car dealership owner.

02:30:37.680 Let's get him, put him in charge.

02:30:39.080 Let's make him an elder.

02:30:40.420 No, they said they got to be full of wisdom and full of the Holy Ghost.

02:30:44.020 And they said, then they can do that stuff that matters.

02:30:46.960 But we have to stay in the word and prayer.

02:30:49.620 Or, dude, the reason that's like so meaningful to me is because I met a leader at a, like, I don't know how this happened.

02:30:56.440 When I first started to go to the 501c3 system, they let me go to like the youth camp and be like a youth camp leader or whatever.

02:31:04.480 So then I saw one of the leaders in the elevator one day and it was a lady.

02:31:09.380 I was like, oh, wow.

02:31:10.300 So you're like in ministry?

02:31:11.940 Like you like read the Bible and pray?

02:31:14.500 Like that's like your whole life?

02:31:15.960 She's like, yeah, it's not exactly like that.

02:31:17.660 And then we were at this training thing the next day.

02:31:20.960 And she's like talking about modern American 501c3 culture, which I don't care anything about.

02:31:26.680 And she's saying like, this is the right way to leave a church.

02:31:29.080 This is the right way to act in a church.

02:31:30.940 Like this is how you do so you don't offend people.

02:31:33.560 She goes, you know, a lot of people have this wrong idea about ministry leadership.

02:31:37.340 Like the other day I'm on the elevator and this guy is like, oh, you're in the ministry.

02:31:41.600 What do you do?

02:31:42.080 Just read a Bible and pray all day.

02:31:43.700 And the room just erupted in laughter, bro.

02:31:46.100 And I just kind of like sunk down in the chair just like this.

02:31:49.500 But I went back to that passage and I was like, no, lady, the joke's not on me.

02:31:53.380 The joke's on you.

02:31:54.220 It's right there in the book.

02:31:55.880 They laughed at you?

02:31:56.760 Yeah.

02:31:57.220 I mean, they didn't know it was me.

02:31:58.580 Was it the first time that people laughed at you?

02:32:00.240 No, I've been getting that for a long time.

02:32:01.560 Not the last either, dog.

02:32:05.160 See what I got to deal with, Sean?

02:32:06.700 I want to make a joke, but I don't know if you guys may be too young to get it.

02:32:10.100 You guys remember Adam Sandler's initial comedy sketches?

02:32:12.960 They're all going to laugh at you.

02:32:14.060 You get, it's okay.

02:32:18.220 That's some retro comedy you guys can look up.

02:32:20.460 It's great, great soundbites.

02:32:22.740 Yeah, this is hilarious, by the way.

02:32:24.620 Whoever's in the live chat, be aware of Turkey Mountain when it gets dusk.

02:32:28.940 All the gay people meet up there.

02:32:30.740 I'm sorry.

02:32:31.260 Watch out for that.

02:32:32.400 Some people in the live chat talking about Tulsa now.

02:32:34.940 Also, this is about the funniest.

02:32:36.160 A lot of goblers at Turkey Mountain?

02:32:40.220 Probably the funniest comment today in the live chat was the minimum credit score to be a pastor.

02:32:43.540 I hope a lot of our guys stick around, but forewarning, they'll always be the most psychotic, but they're very funny.

02:32:53.280 But the most psychotic people in your chair are going to be the dangerous retards. 1.00

02:32:57.780 They are very witty and intelligent.

02:32:59.480 They're very smart.

02:33:00.200 So, someone's asking in the chat, though, what kind of church, because I mentioned Tulsa earlier, and apparently they're about to move to Tulsa in a couple months, and they're asking what kind of church teaches the stuff we're talking about.

02:33:10.400 Unfortunately, sister or brother, no.

02:33:14.540 The Methodist church that I went to...

02:33:16.160 Oh, sugar-coated, bro.

02:33:17.640 Yeah.

02:33:18.220 You said no.

02:33:19.500 No.

02:33:20.200 No.

02:33:20.840 Not even close, man.

02:33:22.000 I tried to introduce some of this stuff.

02:33:25.200 I was asked to guest speak at the church that I went to, and I got to guest speak just in the Sunday school for like six different occasions and gave them a full breakdown on the Nephilim.

02:33:34.020 And the first Sunday school I spoke with, the first time they asked me to do this, because it was just one of the co-pastors that I had been speaking with, like I told you guys.

02:33:45.960 And they realized that I had been studying this more than they had, right?

02:33:50.700 So, they were like, do you want to come talk about this to some of our Sunday schools?

02:33:53.800 Because sometimes they have questions about these things.

02:33:55.840 And the first one they asked me to go to was the Sunrisers Sunday school, 80 and over, 80 years old and over.

02:34:02.880 And they met at 8 a.m. on Sunday morning.

02:34:06.600 And so, I'm like still sleepy-eyed, like standing up there at 8 a.m. and trying to give this breakdown on Duramy-3 and the Nephilim and Agrabashan.

02:34:16.500 And after it was done, it was like 50 minutes.

02:34:19.720 And after it was done, like they came up to me and they were like, thank you so much for talking about this.

02:34:24.720 We've wondered about this for decades.

02:34:27.020 Wow.

02:34:27.420 No one ever talks about this.

02:34:28.700 Like these Q-tip gray-haired ladies coming up and being like, thank you so much. 1.00

02:34:34.200 We've always wondered about this.

02:34:35.520 It makes so much sense now.

02:34:37.340 And I'm just like, the churches aren't talking about this stuff.

02:34:39.980 Yeah.

02:34:40.740 Yeah.

02:34:41.300 Well, this is the thing is, right, Sean?

02:34:43.360 It's like people have experiences.

02:34:45.920 And I think what you want to know as a Christian is that the Bible and your leaders and the thing that you believe in your heart is equipped to deal with experiences that like are happening today still.

02:34:59.160 If people have experiences and if they're not grounded and they don't know Christianity, that's what pushes them into the new age.

02:35:05.920 That's what pushes them into, you know, being Wiccan or being a witch. 1.00

02:35:10.240 Like that's not a – how do I say this?

02:35:12.320 That's not a flippant thing that I say.

02:35:14.560 There's an entire culture.

02:35:16.160 There's a vast body of people, millennials, you know, Gen Z, I guess, you know, Gen X that are practicing Wiccans.

02:35:27.340 And these are people that like believe – they believe in the nature of the spiritual realm of entities, you know, so much more so than the average Christian does.

02:35:38.560 And the average Christian is not exempt from having an experience, but like how many people have an experience, they bring it to their pastor, and like the pastor doesn't have a frame for it, or they just give them something that's reductive and dismissive and says, well, that sounds demonic or of the devil.

02:35:57.000 I would pray about it.

02:35:57.880 And it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but – and I agree with that.

02:36:01.660 But you also have to be able to sit there and go back and forth with somebody about the depth of their experience.

02:36:06.980 And if you don't do it, if you don't explain this supernatural worldview, if you don't explain these unbelievable events, I mean, our God came in the flesh, died, overcame death, was resurrected, and is literally the path for redemption for us, that's unbelievable by many people's measure.

02:36:24.840 If you're not willing to go to these other places because you don't think that it plays well with it or you're unsure about giants, these other belief systems are more than happy to discuss these things with people.

02:36:36.000 They're more than happy to facilitate that conversation.

02:36:39.220 Yeah, it's funny you mention that because, like, when I – I went to Bible school in Tulsa.

02:36:42.580 That's how I moved to Tulsa originally.

02:36:44.580 And my – the first, like, nine weeks that I was there, we – like, one of our classes, we broke off into these, like, cell groups, you know.

02:36:52.720 It was, like, 10 or 12 men that we were supposed to hold each other accountable and pray with each other, you know, and meet up once a week.

02:36:58.440 And so I came back the following week and I dyed my hair all, like, platinum blonde because I was trying to be like Goku.

02:37:07.920 I was trying to go Super Saiyan.

02:37:09.060 Nice.

02:37:09.840 So I'm, like, 21 at the time, you know, and I'm watching Dragon Ball Z, like, while I'm doing my Bible study homework.

02:37:17.100 And so I was like, oh, I'm just going to dye my hair, like, Super Saiyan blonde.

02:37:21.420 And I didn't do it right the first time because I didn't – I'd never done it before.

02:37:25.400 I just did it at the house with some Walmart stuff.

02:37:27.580 And it was, like, fire orange, right, because I didn't do enough of it because my hair is dark.

02:37:32.100 And I did my eyebrows too.

02:37:33.840 So it looked – I looked – I looked crazy.

02:37:36.900 That's so awesome.

02:37:38.340 So I show up – and so during this same week, I go to – I'm going, you know, to this Bible school.

02:37:47.020 And every day I drive to this Bible school, I go past this Angelus Psychic Shop, right?

02:37:52.080 And I'm just like, oh, God, let me just pray for you as I do that drive-by prayer thing.

02:37:56.220 Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pray for you.

02:37:57.920 May God heal you and bring you out of these unclean spirits. 1.00

02:38:00.420 And then I've been doing this for months, and I thought to myself, man, I just want to – like, man, something should happen.

02:38:08.660 Like, this place should close down.

02:38:09.800 Like, that's – I was young and naive.

02:38:11.960 I was like, this guy should do something miraculous and just close this place down and get this lady saved, right?

02:38:17.140 And I just heard clear as day, well, why don't you do it?

02:38:20.580 Just go in there and talk to her. 1.00

02:38:22.840 And so I was like, okay.

02:38:26.500 So I just – you turned the car, pulled in, and went in and talked to her, right?

02:38:31.580 And I prayed before I went in and said, Father, please give me something specific to say to her.

02:38:36.060 So I went in and talked to her and told her what I felt like I was supposed to say to her,

02:38:38.860 and she got very uncomfortable and started looking like this towards this back, this door that was, like, partially open in the back.

02:38:45.020 And I was like, there's definitely other people here.

02:38:47.080 And it just looked weird.

02:38:48.280 And I was like, can you explain to me what you do?

02:38:50.200 And she kind of gave me a short breakdown on how she reads tarot cards and stuff.

02:38:53.660 And I was like, all right, well, I don't need all that, but I just want to let you know that God loves you and wants to break you free from these chains.

02:38:57.980 And, you know, I had some kind of, like, some things to say to her, and then I left.

02:39:02.020 And so when I went back to the Bible school to this little men's group that we met occasionally, I told them about this because they said, you know, like, what's your week been like, right?

02:39:10.700 And so I told them, they're already looking at me weird because of my hair's dyed, and that was against Bible school policy.

02:39:16.440 They're trying to ask you what's wrong with you.

02:39:18.700 Are you all, what's your week been like?

02:39:21.840 I didn't tell them that I accidentally went to a gay club and didn't realize it until the guy started looking.

02:39:26.980 So that was a whole nother story.

02:39:29.200 I got out of there unscathed.

02:39:30.780 But basically, so basically, like, I'm trying to explain to them how I went to go witness to this psychic lady, right?

02:39:38.060 And they were, they were getting, like, super upset.

02:39:41.000 Like, whoa, what are you doing?

02:39:42.320 You can't go in there by yourself.

02:39:44.100 You don't know what could jump on you.

02:39:45.720 You don't know how dangerous that is.

02:39:47.040 And I was like, do we not serve the God of all creation?

02:39:50.360 Like, do I not have the Holy Spirit?

02:39:53.280 Like, what are you talking about?

02:39:54.700 You know, and they're like, well, you remember, like, the Sons of Sceva got beat up by the unclean spirits, you know?

02:40:00.480 And I'm like, but wait a minute, man.

02:40:02.460 Like, they were false.

02:40:03.740 They didn't beat up Paul and Barnabas.

02:40:05.100 Like, they were false.

02:40:05.900 Like, I want to, anyway, so it was just, I've, that was my first time running into, like, this, you know, kind of cage stage spiritual atmosphere of, you know, everything's the devil.

02:40:17.520 And you got to stay away from there.

02:40:20.280 And I'm like, aren't we supposed to go shed the light into place, the dark places?

02:40:23.500 Because, you know, we had this similar situation.

02:40:27.480 And I don't know who was right or who was wrong.

02:40:30.480 So, because it's something that, like, we, like, argued about just recently.

02:40:33.280 The guy that fell off and there was, like, a weird supernatural reason as to why he fell off.

02:40:38.640 And I suspect that when he was in my house with one of his ex-girlfriends that they, something happened, some sort of form of witchcraft, including bloody panties with poop on them, weird stuff.

02:40:53.020 And then my entire family was getting sick.

02:40:54.880 They'll leave behind, like, it's like a totem, like, something that anchors them to a location.

02:40:59.020 It's a whole thing.

02:40:59.940 Yeah, my entire family got sick.

02:41:01.820 And it was a debacle for a long time.

02:41:04.700 This was before I even thought about starting the show.

02:41:07.880 And then we had a falling out with the guy.

02:41:10.040 And for some reason, my, like, my eyes were open to it.

02:41:13.600 And I was like, holy shit, like, this happened to me.

02:41:15.920 I think we were talking to Vicki Joy Anderson.

02:41:17.340 And she was discussing some of the artifacts that would be left during forms of witchcraft.

02:41:22.020 And that was one of them.

02:41:23.140 And I'm like, oh, like, on the podcast, it blew my mind.

02:41:25.460 That happened to me.

02:41:26.960 And now I'm telling Dave.

02:41:28.300 And I'm like, man, this guy, I don't know if he's involved, but definitely this girl was.

02:41:32.560 We had, I had confirmation the day after that they slept over.

02:41:35.800 It was the craziest thing.

02:41:37.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

02:41:37.560 They slept over.

02:41:38.340 Some guy was moving my parents in from New York.

02:41:41.640 And I'm talking with him.

02:41:42.980 His brother doesn't come to help him to unpack my parents.

02:41:45.780 So I'm helping him.

02:41:46.520 This is after, like, we did a whole event and all this.

02:41:48.860 I'm tired.

02:41:49.680 I'm talking with him.

02:41:50.640 I'm like, let me chat this guy up.

02:41:51.700 And we go out into the little field right behind my house.

02:41:54.900 Out they come walking, my friend and his girlfriend.

02:41:57.700 And it looks like he's seen a ghost.

02:41:59.380 She turns around, gets in the car.

02:42:01.440 I was like, so I asked him, what the hell was that?

02:42:03.080 And he goes, do you know her?

02:42:04.600 Yes.

02:42:04.920 And he looks at me and he goes, she's a witch.

02:42:07.480 And I'm just like, you know, I'm not, I'm not thinking supernaturally at this moment.

02:42:11.920 I'm not there yet at all.

02:42:13.260 I'm in very much in a comedy political realm.

02:42:15.340 And I was like, all right, cool.

02:42:17.240 Anyway, years later, this happens.

02:42:18.840 It dawns upon me.

02:42:19.740 Oh, shit.

02:42:20.440 Like, after that, we found the panties that she left in that room. 0.69

02:42:24.060 My entire household gets sick.

02:42:26.600 I'm left to assume, what has this guy done?

02:42:28.740 And at the same time, David gets this premonition, I need to go over there.

02:42:34.440 Same thing with you.

02:42:35.220 I need to go over there and talk to him.

02:42:36.400 And I'm like, dude, don't do that.

02:42:40.540 Because I got mixed.

02:42:41.740 Like, now I'm just thinking to myself, like, yo, I got mixed up with this.

02:42:44.200 And I wasn't prepared.

02:42:46.640 And my family paid a price for it.

02:42:49.160 It was bad.

02:42:49.860 Like, I was on.

02:42:50.400 We were thinking about leaving Florida and going back to New York.

02:42:52.760 It was crazy.

02:42:53.920 I was about to just sell the house.

02:42:55.060 That would have been terrible.

02:42:56.040 That would have been terrible.

02:42:56.640 You would have been derailed from what God called you to do.

02:42:58.620 100%.

02:42:58.940 100% derailed.

02:42:59.840 But, like, it was at that pivotal moment.

02:43:01.520 No, we would have never met.

02:43:02.880 That would have been probably going awful.

02:43:03.720 That would have been awesome.

02:43:04.880 Oh.

02:43:06.420 But it was this pivotal moment of, like, I was like, I could just sell this and just forget this.

02:43:11.240 This was a mistake.

02:43:13.680 And I didn't.

02:43:14.340 But then, yeah, there's, like, me and David had some arguments.

02:43:16.240 So, like, don't go over there.

02:43:17.080 And he ended up not going over there.

02:43:18.600 And he paid some sort of a price for that, spiritually, for being disobedient.

02:43:22.620 But I'm just like, I know what we're called to do.

02:43:25.520 I still struggle with, do I want to put myself in a situation like that?

02:43:29.760 Like, maybe it's just me overblowing it.

02:43:31.740 Maybe I'm completely wrong.

02:43:33.120 Or maybe that did happen.

02:43:35.320 But I think you were right.

02:43:36.560 It did happen.

02:43:37.180 But I think that God calls us to be faithful and not to operate in the spirit of fear.

02:43:44.780 And I think that, and look, you know, it's not like every time we're going to hit it out of the park.

02:43:48.100 Like, we were still, like, coming to this thing when all this happened.

02:43:50.860 That was at a pivotal moment.

02:43:51.700 We were changing dramatically.

02:43:52.920 The trajectory of the show was changing dramatically.

02:43:55.240 I think our walk with God has been exponentially strengthened since, like, that moment.

02:43:59.400 But in that moment, I think the fundamental mistake that we made, I made myself, was that we were operating in a spirit of fear instead of faith.

02:44:07.480 And I think that within all things, you're given this choice, right?

02:44:11.080 The world or God at any moment puts a thing in front of you.

02:44:16.060 And that thing, your decision on how to do with it can almost always be boiled down to a decision made in fear or a decision made in faith.

02:44:24.680 And I've gotten quite used to this kind of faith-based decision throughout my life because I've been, I used to be homeless when I was younger.

02:44:35.260 I think when you don't have a lot to lose, it's much easier to start moving in faith than it is in fear.

02:44:42.240 When you have a lot, like, you were dealing with a thing.

02:44:44.860 You had just bought a house.

02:44:46.340 There's, you know, you've moved your whole family out there.

02:44:48.600 We just brought the house.

02:44:48.960 And my, like, my wife got sick to the point where we spent, like, man, $15,000 on, you know, we bought it to the doctors.

02:44:57.520 But obviously, Western Medicine wants to do weird stuff.

02:44:59.620 And we went an alternative route, IVs, any kind of, you know, alternative healing we can do.

02:45:06.560 And we actually helped her.

02:45:07.840 She's good now.

02:45:09.120 After $15,000.

02:45:09.940 After fucking $15,000.

02:45:11.160 Yeah.

02:45:11.340 But it's crazy.

02:45:12.380 Sorry to curse, but it's crazy the way God works as well.

02:45:15.180 And it's like, I guess I forget, but we do the show.

02:45:19.960 We create this dumb show.

02:45:22.800 And our first three sponsors, out of nowhere, people who should never sponsor us are, like, you know, Parasite Cleanse Company.

02:45:28.640 These are things I spent money on.

02:45:30.520 Frequency, technology, like, like, Rife Machine, he sponsored us.

02:45:34.600 Who else?

02:45:35.460 All the health products, like, you know, like, shout out to Van Man.

02:45:39.460 These are all things, like, I'm spending tons of money on because now my wife is, like, she has to detox. 0.66

02:45:44.020 She's got to do all these things.

02:45:44.920 And it's just given right back to me in the dumbest way possible.

02:45:49.020 It's like, here you go.

02:45:49.580 You spent all that money.

02:45:50.340 You were about to quit.

02:45:51.460 Here, it's all right there, right back.

02:45:52.880 And I'm just like, that's awesome.

02:45:55.660 Yeah, it's insane.

02:45:56.840 It's insane.

02:45:57.280 Wait a minute.

02:45:58.140 You guys got sponsors?

02:46:00.080 Not anymore.

02:46:00.800 Not anymore.

02:46:01.900 They ran.

02:46:02.960 But I do think that.

02:46:04.400 That was balling, yo.

02:46:05.160 I had to create my own company just to have a sponsor.

02:46:07.740 We use a different model.

02:46:09.740 There's opportunity out there, but it's hard to keep track of.

02:46:13.680 Yeah, because it's like, oh, you're a three-man team now, previously two-man team.

02:46:17.880 And it's like, okay, so you're going to develop a relationship with these people.

02:46:21.040 Keep a relationship with these people.

02:46:22.240 Reach out to them all the time.

02:46:23.180 Make sure that, you know, that's a fruitful thing.

02:46:24.660 It's like, we're just a couple of dudes trying to do this thing.

02:46:27.220 But I think now where I'm at is like, it's a mixture, right?

02:46:31.680 You shouldn't be foolish.

02:46:33.240 You shouldn't engage in anything that's going to open up doorways.

02:46:36.540 But you also shouldn't be afraid.

02:46:38.460 So in other words, like, don't go out.

02:46:40.320 Don't do tarot cards.

02:46:41.260 Don't do dumb crap because you believe that your God is stronger than whatever is going

02:46:45.540 to happen to you from the tarot cards because you're giving consent to a thing.

02:46:48.020 It's not about your God being stronger in that instance.

02:46:50.340 You're doing a foolish thing and opening up a line of communication with something, giving

02:46:54.620 something consent, giving something access to you.

02:46:56.780 But in these instances where, like, if you're thinking about witchcraft or somebody coming

02:47:00.620 and doing a thing to you, if you're in good standing, if you're not the one who's going

02:47:04.800 out and seeking divination or some crap like that, who can stand against me if God is with

02:47:09.540 me, right?

02:47:10.000 That's the core of everything.

02:47:11.700 Why would I be afraid?

02:47:13.100 If you came into this coffee shop and I didn't seek you out and you started, I don't know,

02:47:18.660 trying to cast a spell on me, I would tell you in the name of Jesus Christ to kick rocks

02:47:23.860 and nothing that you're going to do is going to stand against me.

02:47:27.380 I don't have any fear associated with any of that stuff.

02:47:29.700 And I think also because when I was younger, it's like I was very comfortable with the fact

02:47:35.560 that all of this was real.

02:47:36.740 Saw a lot of stuff, experienced a lot of stuff.

02:47:38.720 I didn't figure out that there was a real remedy to it till I was 30 something years

02:47:43.400 old.

02:47:43.760 Now that I know that remedy is Jesus Christ, that through the authority of Jesus Christ,

02:47:47.340 through his name, we have authority over these spiritual entities that don't have our best

02:47:51.660 interest at heart.

02:47:53.360 It's like a cheat code.

02:47:54.720 I already got it.

02:47:55.640 I'm good.

02:47:56.220 I don't have anything to be afraid of.

02:47:58.220 And honestly, they're parasitic and weak in nature.

02:48:01.920 They need us to be able to interact with this physical realm.

02:48:05.040 And they operate best when you believe that they are you, right?

02:48:08.880 So they're whispering thoughts and ideas and impulses in your mind.

02:48:12.780 And they try to tell you something about yourself that's not true, but they really operate best

02:48:17.360 when you believe that those thoughts are your own.

02:48:19.500 They're not your own.

02:48:20.720 But why are they pretending to be it?

02:48:22.440 Because they're weak.

02:48:23.760 They're weak.

02:48:24.280 They don't have any authority over you.

02:48:25.760 You have to come into agreement with them for them to have authority over you.

02:48:28.800 So, you know, it's amazing.

02:48:30.680 Ephesians 5, I think, says it best.

02:48:33.840 It's right to refresh your mind with the washing of the water of the word.

02:48:37.620 You know, that way you're not getting all these other words in your brain that confuse you,

02:48:42.060 leads you into the wrong path.

02:48:43.020 In fact, it's funny you mentioned about, you know, not engaging in these practices

02:48:47.140 in order to reach people in these practices.

02:48:50.980 And that's like, it reminds me of 1 Corinthians 9.

02:48:53.740 You know, the context when it says,

02:48:55.460 I make myself all things to all men that I might win some for Christ.

02:48:57.860 Paul's not going out there when he's witnessing below the Temple to Athena.

02:49:04.240 He's not going to worship at the Temple to Athena, right?

02:49:07.220 He's just going to the people that are there, the Greeks that are there.

02:49:11.180 And in the same way, I saw this comment earlier.

02:49:13.900 There are tons of millennials and Zoomers in Wiccan. 1.00

02:49:16.800 And that's another story that I, when I was in Tulsa,

02:49:20.020 me and some dudes used to go run at midnight.

02:49:22.180 We would try to run.

02:49:23.040 There's this park in the middle of Tulsa that's like six miles if you can run the whole thing.

02:49:26.060 We can only ever make like two or three miles, but like we would go run at midnight.

02:49:30.140 And it was also just, you know, we'd go out and BS with each other and it was fun.

02:49:33.200 But one night as we're running through this park, because there's a golf course interlaced

02:49:38.000 throughout the park.

02:49:39.460 And there's these two girls doing a Wiccan ritual at midnight next to this pond on the

02:49:45.520 golf course, dressed in white wedding dresses with their hands out towards the water,

02:49:50.920 standing at the edge of the water with their eyes closed.

02:49:52.840 And because I'm just always curious in nature, I just run right up to them.

02:49:57.140 Like we're just all running and everybody's like, Hey, what's that?

02:49:59.840 And I'm like, I'm going to go ask them what they're doing.

02:50:05.220 So like I walk up to them and they're just, they don't even acknowledge I'm there.

02:50:08.600 They just got their eyes closed or hands out.

02:50:11.000 And these are two girls that are like 20 years old, you know, attractive. 0.99

02:50:14.840 And here's some strange dude that just ran up to them and they don't even acknowledge

02:50:19.760 I'm there.

02:50:20.800 You know, they don't even flinch.

02:50:22.120 And I'm like, uh, okay.

02:50:24.040 And my, all my guy friends are like standing up on the top of the hill of the distance.

02:50:27.800 And I'm just like, I'm looking at them like, I don't know what they're doing.

02:50:31.260 So I wrote, we, we start running again and, and God's just hitting me hard.

02:50:35.460 Just like, go back, go back, interrupt them, interrupt them.

02:50:41.160 So like, I, I tell my friends, I'm like, guys, and this one kid, he knew his name was

02:50:46.440 Bill.

02:50:46.860 He's my roommate.

02:50:47.780 He's like, you're going to go back.

02:50:48.780 Aren't you?

02:50:49.060 I'm like, I'm you, I gotta go back.

02:50:50.520 I gotta go back.

02:50:51.440 So I ran back and I interrupted their little ritual and they ended up coming back later,

02:50:56.340 about 15 minutes later.

02:50:58.300 And I'm already, I've already interrupted him.

02:51:00.760 I'm talking to them and they're both from Alabama.

02:51:03.260 They're new to Oklahoma.

02:51:04.260 Oklahoma and they're doing this Wiccan ritual.

02:51:06.920 Like there was supposedly some Wiccan special Holy day or whatever.

02:51:10.240 And I just started telling about Jesus and one of these girls gets saved.

02:51:14.620 And then we take her to a church for like the next two months, every Wednesday night

02:51:20.360 to the youth group.

02:51:20.980 Cause she was like 17 or whatever.

02:51:22.980 That's incredible.

02:51:24.100 Or 18, I think.

02:51:25.040 But either way she, you know, it was just one of those deals.

02:51:29.000 Like I, if I just left it alone, they would have continued to do whatever.

02:51:32.900 Who knows?

02:51:33.440 You know, but I was like, you know what?

02:51:35.240 I'm just going to interrupt these, these devil worshipers.

02:51:38.520 You know what I'm saying?

02:51:39.320 Like they, they want to come into churches in Tulsa and interrupt and cast spells from

02:51:43.100 the back of the church.

02:51:43.820 That happens by the way, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, you have groups of witches that are going to 0.51

02:51:47.480 churches and try to cast spells from the back.

02:51:49.200 Oh yeah.

02:51:49.360 But, um, so yeah, I'm like, why not we just go and interrupt them and just take the, take

02:51:54.280 the light of Christ to them and see what happens.

02:51:56.240 I'm so, I thought it was going to turn out a different way.

02:51:58.160 I thought they were going to like, I thought they were going to kill him.

02:52:01.080 But no, that's awesome.

02:52:03.580 And that's incredible, man.

02:52:05.140 That's, um, just fun stuff of like, you can, you, you do have literally God on your side.

02:52:12.020 You know what I'm saying?

02:52:13.060 Like when you understand the concept of angels and demons and the whole biblical context,

02:52:17.560 like only 200 angels rebelled.

02:52:20.860 Now we don't know how many unclean spirits there were.

02:52:23.360 It seems to be, there were lots of them, but, but according to, you know, in Jubilee is

02:52:28.340 only a 10th of them are still left under Satan's control after the flood, which, which does

02:52:32.840 like, which means if there's, I don't know if the population report is correct, but if there's

02:52:38.220 seven to 8 billion people on the earth, there's not enough demons for everybody.

02:52:41.500 You know, like you're, and if you look at the, like the, the Hebraic, you know, math

02:52:47.700 of myriads upon myriads mentioning of the number of angels, there's a lot more angels

02:52:52.160 than demons and rebellious angels.

02:52:54.640 Like the greater majority is on God's side.

02:52:58.260 You're, you are, you have a huge posse on your side, you know, like greater is he that's

02:53:05.060 in you than he that's in the world, literally, but numerically greater.

02:53:09.000 Like you, you're on the winning side and you have the numbers.

02:53:12.360 You do not need to be afraid.

02:53:14.180 You know, you just need to make sure that you're actually doing what he's called you

02:53:16.780 to do.

02:53:17.440 And he's got your back on a percent, you know?

02:53:19.800 And that's where I going forward, Sean, we're going to try.

02:53:22.800 All right.

02:53:23.400 Jeez, stop, stop convicting me.

02:53:25.040 How dare you?

02:53:26.680 Yeah.

02:53:27.040 I just want to encourage you guys.

02:53:28.140 I think what you're doing though, by creating the conversation is important, right?

02:53:32.660 You may not be praying with each individual at each church that listens to you and leading

02:53:37.220 them explicitly through each scripture, even though, you know, Matt's clearly bringing

02:53:41.860 some balance to you guys' channel, right?

02:53:44.600 With what he's doing.

02:53:45.420 Oh yeah.

02:53:46.020 But all the people that are listening, you're not able to walk them, you know, intimately

02:53:50.660 walk them through the scriptures and make sure they're being discipled.

02:53:53.060 You're praying that they're getting that from the places from when they're watching you.

02:53:56.340 But, but the fact that you're bringing up these topics and pointing people back to the

02:53:59.720 Bible and trying to defend against the clear deceptive narrative, I just want to encourage 0.93

02:54:04.040 you guys keep going.

02:54:04.880 Don't give up.

02:54:05.920 Thank you, man.

02:54:06.540 I appreciate it.

02:54:07.440 That's like, you know, when I pray, I just ask that like, you know, if it's, if it's one

02:54:12.120 person, I don't know, I'm not the best at scripture.

02:54:14.140 I'm, I'm still learning.

02:54:15.220 I have like my testimony, my experience, my point of view.

02:54:18.140 And it's just like, if somebody hears it and it strengthens their walk and they orient more

02:54:23.320 towards Christ, maybe they were already on the walk, but they're, they're 0.81

02:54:26.320 encouraged or maybe they thought a bunch of things and didn't think Christianity had

02:54:31.360 anything to say about those things.

02:54:32.800 And then it turns out it does.

02:54:33.940 And, and that's what helps them.

02:54:35.220 That, that's it.

02:54:35.820 It's, we get on the mic every day and maybe one person per conversation, you know, here's

02:54:42.640 that.

02:54:42.960 And then they got a little question in their head and they go, huh, investigate a little

02:54:46.700 further.

02:54:47.020 That's the best that I can do.

02:54:48.260 That's it, man.

02:54:48.780 That's it.

02:54:49.380 That's, that's, that's, and, and honestly, that's huge to me.

02:54:52.400 The fact that we get to do that is, is incredible.

02:54:54.540 Like I get to do that.

02:54:55.660 Like, that's what, like when I pass and I get to meet Jesus, like, is he going to,

02:54:59.720 you said that I think once it's like, you'd be a high five or just be like, yeah.

02:55:02.800 Like if he's like, Hey, good job.

02:55:04.400 And then points to people and there's a body of people there that are like, yeah, dude,

02:55:08.180 you helped like, Whoa, that's a, that's pretty much it.

02:55:12.660 That's as big as it gets.

02:55:14.340 That is awesome, brother.

02:55:15.100 You're actually repeating a short story.

02:55:16.880 I read back in 1998 by a guy named Robert Rasmussen, Christian author who wrote a book

02:55:21.620 of short stories.

02:55:22.620 And that's one of the short stories is that a guy gets to heaven and there's a great throng

02:55:28.080 of people and he runs into somebody he knows and they're like, Oh, and he's like, Oh man,

02:55:33.680 I never knew that you were a believer.

02:55:35.100 And he's like, yeah, it was from these people over here told me about Christ.

02:55:38.440 And lo and behold, that's the person this guy had went to witness to.

02:55:42.360 So like, even though he didn't witness to his neighbor, he'd witnessed to a separate

02:55:45.680 group that he thought was completely detached from his neighbor.

02:55:48.580 They ended up getting his neighbor saved.

02:55:50.740 You know what I mean?

02:55:51.180 And so like, yeah, just, it's all connected and it's a beautiful, beautiful little book

02:55:56.040 of short stories, but it was before chicken soup for the soul got popular.

02:56:01.640 But anyway, thank you guys.

02:56:02.880 I will probably should end it.

02:56:03.960 I appreciate you guys giving me three hours today.

02:56:06.060 Um, it's, I appreciate you giving us your time, man.

02:56:08.780 This went quick, man.

02:56:09.820 Yeah.

02:56:10.060 It's a pleasure.

02:56:10.680 It's also, it's, uh, it's encouraging.

02:56:13.280 Cause I, obviously we do, we do like crazy stuff.

02:56:15.780 We delve in comedy, but when somebody with your, uh, with your like body of work and understanding

02:56:21.240 of this stuff and like Matt, Matt is another type of person.

02:56:24.100 It's like, you guys understand the Bible so deeply for you to look at some of the things

02:56:27.980 that we do and kind of get it and see what we're pointed at.

02:56:30.240 Even though it's this, I don't know, it's, it's like an abstract way.

02:56:34.160 Yeah.

02:56:34.260 It's an abstract pointing, but like.

02:56:36.620 Like, thank, thank you for having us on and allowing us to, uh, spread what we're doing

02:56:41.360 here.

02:56:41.920 I think what we're doing, we could reach a certain amount of a specific, a specific type

02:56:46.580 of person.

02:56:47.200 Yeah.

02:56:47.680 And that's all that we want to do.

02:56:48.860 Just say, well, you know, what's happened to us.

02:56:51.780 Yeah.

02:56:52.180 One little, little alien nugget before we go.

02:56:54.920 Uh, so you guys talked about the concept of buried crafts that have always been here kind

02:57:01.100 of thing, being part of the disclosure and everything.

02:57:04.560 Uh, look up when you have time, look up the, um, I think it's an Aswan. 0.97

02:57:09.640 It's in, it's in the, what used to be called the, the upper kingdom of ancient Egypt near

02:57:14.320 one of the pyramids.

02:57:15.540 It's the underground labyrinth that they have found.

02:57:19.820 It's supposedly so large that it hosts all the idols of Egypt.

02:57:25.280 There's like a temple to each of the idols of Egypt underneath this thing.

02:57:28.420 It's massive.

02:57:29.640 It's considered one of the largest unearthed discoveries because they've done the ground

02:57:34.360 penetrating radar and they found the top of the roof of it and everything.

02:57:37.240 And they, they know from historical accounts what it's supposed to be.

02:57:40.580 It's in this exact location with the exact size descriptions.

02:57:44.760 Um, historians like Herodotus and Plinus and a whole bunch of other people from the fourth

02:57:49.140 century BC up until the second century AD all talked about going to visit this amazing

02:57:54.700 ridiculously large lap, bigger than any pyramid constructed with all the idols of Egypt in 0.91

02:58:01.220 there with a pyramid, a 24 story pyramid at the bottom of it.

02:58:05.860 I've heard, I'm looking at it now.

02:58:07.780 Yeah.

02:58:08.260 Plus supposedly there's this ring, there's this mysterious ring that they don't know if it's

02:58:14.240 a craft or what it is that, that they've seen in, in the, the GPR scans that's at the

02:58:19.380 bottom of it that they think.

02:58:20.420 So my, my theory is that they are going to unearth the labyrinth and escalate and do

02:58:26.520 a excavation of it with archeology as a part of the disclosure, because they're gonna be

02:58:31.120 like, Oh, look, we've had a ship buried down here this whole time where we're the ancient

02:58:35.440 gods of ancient Egypt.

02:58:36.600 And you know, the Sudoku guy with the crazy hair and ancient aliens, he was right. 1.00

02:58:40.760 We just, we, we were here in the past.

02:58:42.200 And so we're back and that'll cause people to, to say, Oh, okay, look, that's real.

02:58:46.900 And, and, and, and Christ isn't, I think that's, what's going to end up happening.

02:58:50.640 Cause that's what all these new age people believe that not just that Christ isn't, that's

02:58:54.340 real.

02:58:55.340 And this is real, but this is expedient.

02:58:57.860 I think that's what the Jews did. 1.00

02:58:59.340 You know, God, God is real.

02:59:00.740 Took me out of Egypt, but there's a golden calf here and we're going to get something from

02:59:04.220 it.

02:59:04.540 And it's right here.

02:59:05.560 We could touch it.

02:59:06.520 Yeah.

02:59:06.920 Maybe if it's physical or spiritual, we don't know, but it's going to be super expedient.

02:59:10.760 Well, we'll see.

02:59:11.660 I have a feeling we'll see, uh, pretty soon, uh, Steven Spielberg's disclosure day.

02:59:16.400 Uh, and I think, uh, that helps to move the narrative along.

02:59:19.600 So maybe we'll see.

02:59:20.600 Is he still alive?

02:59:22.140 He is.

02:59:22.860 He's been drinking baby blood and it actually does a number on preserving your, uh, your

02:59:27.400 organs and such.

02:59:28.740 Not the, what was it called?

02:59:30.280 Not the adrenochrome.

02:59:31.400 He's just, you know, he scares him before he drinks it.

02:59:34.400 Yeah.

02:59:35.220 That's wild.

02:59:36.320 You guys think it, check it out.

02:59:38.300 Nephilim death squad on YouTube, rumble, all major.

02:59:40.760 Podcast was Apple, Spotify.

02:59:42.820 You guys are on all of them.

02:59:44.080 Uh, go check them out guys.

02:59:45.100 Nephilim death squad.

02:59:45.880 And I appreciate you guys.

02:59:47.000 Thank you for the awesome conversation.

02:59:48.700 Thank you, brother.

02:59:49.100 Thank you, Sean.

02:59:49.480 Thanks, Sean.

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Nephilim Death Squad - February 16, 2026

The Most Dangerous Interview On YouTube w NephilimDeathSquad ｜ NDS on Kingdom in Context

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