On this week's episode of David Cornwell's new show, David and Nick chat about Rental Family, Ed Gaines' new monster series on Netflix, Avi Loeb's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast, Three Eye Atlas, and much, much more!
01:42:14.020I don't know if a lot of people know that.
01:42:15.020But, excuse me, a lot of these pictures of earth, you know, in air quotes, they're actually just composites.
01:42:22.020Or all of the pictures of earth are either composites or CG renderings and artist interpretations.
01:42:29.020A composite meaning they just take a bunch of pictures of segments of the earth and then, you know, combine them all together to what they think it should look like.
01:42:58.020And then NASA itself is like, it's really strange.
01:43:04.020Like if you look into the measurements, the supposed measurements of the earth and supposed measurements from the distance of the earth to like the sun or some shit, the number 666 comes up constantly, constantly, constantly.
01:43:24.020And then, of course, the whole Wernher von Braun thing and Operation Paperclip, how NASA even gets started its roots from beginning to now.
01:43:33.020It's all like super sketchy, or as Matt would say, sketch-a-saurus-rex.
01:43:37.020So it's like, you know, really can't blame anybody for looking at that.
01:43:43.020As far as like biblical flat earth, I'm not well-read enough to make a determining or to draw a conclusion either way.
01:43:51.020I have a lot of empathy for people who suspect the earth is flat.
01:43:55.020I see a lot of evidence that they present where I go, pretty damn compelling.
01:44:00.020I see a lot of evidence that they present for the globe being a lie.
01:44:34.020I would say I'm mostly comfortable with the idea that the earth is flat.
01:44:40.020And even maybe any hangups that I have might just be like programming from the public school system
01:44:46.020and the indoctrination that we're all subjected to throughout our entire lives.
01:44:50.020So when it comes to 3i Atlas and how we could even take it seriously, it's a huge question.
01:44:55.020I mean, Jordan Crowder was on the show and he's talking about, you know, all these, like, cosmic energies that this thing is releasing and all this shit.
01:45:02.020And, yeah, cue the danger music, says welding.
01:46:20.020I mean, that's what my baby mama ho asses, such a large head, only to harbor a shallow knowledge must be filled with water, but it smells like sulfur.
01:47:53.020Uh, if you could pass this message on to Matt.
01:47:56.020Um, he's been a, uh, in the short time he's been on the podcast, been a big help in me understanding what's going on in this book, in the Bible.
01:49:10.020And I think he might get like a little bit tight about them, but I'm like, no, dude, you got to understand.
01:49:14.020Like the vast majority of people enjoy the content.
01:49:18.020There are thousands and thousands of people who say nothing.
01:49:22.020And then there are five people that say something negative.
01:49:25.020And with that number, you go like, okay, we're doing really well then.
01:49:30.020Cause there's always going to be a small percentage of people that don't like a thing with Matt's addition to the team.
01:49:35.020There has been an overwhelming poor route of positivity, which you typically don't see because most of the people who are pleased with a thing, they just absorb the content.
01:49:46.020They smile and they, and they typically keep quiet about it.
01:49:49.020It's usually like the ones that are a little bit messed up who want to say horrific things that decide to pipe up.
01:49:54.020But in this particular case, even the people who would typically just be absorbing the content, happy with the information, happy with the show, happy with the, you know, the product, I guess, are piping up.
01:50:05.020And they're saying a lot of kind things about Matt.
01:50:08.020And, you know, it brings me a lot of joy because I was hoping people would see what I was seeing when we decided this is somebody that we should work with and develop, you know, a working relationship with.
01:50:23.020Was I saw like a really good dude who's a lot of fun, but has something really huge, not just to offer the audience, but offer like us in our, in our journey, in this direction that we're going in or have been going in.
01:50:37.020Um, really since the show's inception, we might've done it a little bit crassly.
01:50:43.020Uh, we might've stumbled, stumbled in some ways, uh, you know, on the journey in the beginning there.
01:50:52.020Um, but we've made some decisions to align our compass, you know, maybe calibrate it a little bit more.
01:51:01.020And then all of a sudden Matt shows up and it's like, the timing was perfect.
01:51:07.020The, the direction, everything went, it felt like this is something that God wanted us to do.
01:51:14.020Um, and he showed up right when we were ready.
01:51:20.020If Matt had shown up, you know, uh, six months ago, even we'd have been in, in, in, in, probably not at such a great place.
01:51:31.020And he might've been a little bit put off by us and maybe rightfully.
01:51:35.020So, um, but everything happens on God's time.
01:51:39.020And I feel like things have really, really been, um, moving, but not really of our accord.
01:51:49.020If that makes any sense, things have been moving, you know, it's, it's as if there's just, uh, God's got his hand on it and it's just going.
01:51:59.020So I'm glad Matt, I'm glad that he's helping you.
01:52:02.020He's helping us. And I think he's, he's helping the audience too.
01:52:05.020They seem to all be getting a lot of value from, from what Matt's been doing.
01:52:08.020So, uh, thank you very much, brother, for the, for the kind words.
01:52:11.020And, uh, thank you for Guaman, dude. Thank you for Guaman.
01:52:14.020Let's, uh, let's get another one here.
01:54:21.020I know we got some sort of a calendar thing and notification.
01:54:23.020I don't know if, uh, if this is real or not, because I know that, um, amen rat is, is very sneaky, a very sneaky guy.
01:54:34.020Um, and I don't know if he talked to top or what happened, or if he just went ahead and scheduled himself, uh, but we got a notification that said that, uh, uh, disagree to agree.
01:54:43.020I think is, is scheduled for sometime soon in the future.
01:54:47.020And I don't know, you know, we got to figure out what the heck's going on there.
01:54:50.020There was a conversation that was had without me.
01:54:55.020Um, but that, you know, we'd always be, uh, happy to have you guys back on the show, especially, uh, you know, the last episode that we did with the three I Atlas thing or the, the three, uh, three, two, nine code or nine, two, three code.
01:55:08.020Um, we released that on rumble recently because we were so backlogged on rumble and I felt bad because we were releasing something that was so, you know, out of its timeframe.
01:55:18.020And I was like, we need to have these guys back on to talk about something that's a little bit more evergreen.
01:55:22.020Uh, that's not relegated to a prediction of a date that I'm going to get backlogged and forget to air.
01:55:48.020Cause I, cause the long hiatus now we're like in the two five to seven or whatever, but we were getting like 6,000 views on an episode, but we were just plateaued for six months.
01:55:58.020And honestly, I started going like, what the hell is rumble?
01:58:13.020So, all of that just to say I feel bad because during that process, one of the episodes that got held up was one that was specific to September 23rd.
01:58:20.020So, we got to have you guys on for some more evergreen content.
02:03:54.020Dave Smith's talking to Crowder and he goes like, I reject your characterization of the argument, which is really just like a slightly fancier way of saying I reject the premise.
02:04:28.020I mean, I, I liked the guy, but it's just to say, and I know he's like kind of the big dog in the libertarian space, but it just feels.
02:04:35.020Like a bunch of people, uh, kind of jerking each other off and running in a circle, you know, because it's like, I don't know how long that's the, the most traction that the libertarian party has ever gotten happened last year.
02:04:47.020And that was to say like zero traction, really nothing happened at all.
02:04:53.020Libertarian was being, terrorism was being mentioned in like some of these big circles.
02:04:57.020And they go like, at what point do you just not realize that it's, it's a big dance and like the libertarian party is not invited.
02:05:03.020And it'll only be like kind of hijacked so that, you know, they can get access to the base of libertarians and, um, and that, you know, politics is theater.
02:05:13.020Yeah. Yeah. Politics is super gay. Uh, there was a time when I thought that maybe there was a solution there, but man, I like I, at this point, I'm just focusing on my family, my home, my faith, trying to be a good leader to my spiritual leader to my children.
02:05:31.020I got two sons and a daughter. Um, so that's, that's the only place I focus now. All that politics shit is out the window.
02:05:40.020That's awesome, man. I love hearing that. I mean, like Owen Benjamin will say it, but like Matt says the same thing.
02:05:44.020And he was saying it to us today, um, on the Bible study or sort of Bible banter, whatever you want to call that, uh, on the book of, uh, Elijah.
02:05:54.020And it was like this idea that, you know, you just, you can't be involved in those things because really the only thing that you can affect is your own circle. Right. You're like, you're talking about, you have kids and a wife and you could take responsibility for your own life and you could change things within your own life. And, and that's pretty much the only way.
02:06:11.800That's why like, I look at these things peripherally. I'll engage with them. I'll have fun with them. Even like this three eye Atlas, Abby Loeb shit is really just kind of like entertainment value because I'm not going to buy into the doom and gloom of it and you're not going to change it. And they, they have their plans, whatever, but like we're strangers in a foreign land. We're just passing through. And I don't think that we're supposed to like grab on to, a lot of people don't like that, but I don't think we're supposed to grab onto the machinations of like politics and shit and try to bend it to our
02:06:41.720will and shape the world into what we, I don't think we're called to do that. Um, and it only leads to massive amounts of disappointment. Yeah. Depression. Right. I mean, you just become disheartened and you become sad and, and, and yeah, but it's like, there is things you can affect. You can, you know, create this beautiful oasis in your own life. You can, you can tend to this sort of garden that is your relationship with your wife or your relationship with your children or, you know, your relationship with your work that you're
02:07:11.720doing directly. Like that stuff is, is tenable, but, uh, this other crap is like, it's like a gay distraction. And, and I don't know, man, to try to get involved with it in any serious way is, seems like bullshit. It's gay. It's gay. I agree. Well, listen, Matt, um, I appreciate you calling, man. Yup. Yup, man. I, it was cool to talk to you. I appreciate everything you guys do and just keep it up, man. I'll be here.
02:07:36.760Thank you. Thank you, brother. Thank you very much. Thank you, Matt. Uh, cue the danger. God bless you. And God bless your family, homie. Hey, God bless you and your family as well. Later, man.
02:07:49.180That's nice. Isn't that nice? Yeah. I don't know, man. It's like, there's a big crossover between like the libertarian libertarians and like our audience. And, uh, I just feel like it's kind of a waste of time guys, but I mean, who am I? I'm just a faggot.
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02:08:46.840What's up, Don? What's going on? I, um, you may, you may remember that I was, uh, uh, Chronicle submission. I have a, the neighbor, uh, Red Hoodie.
02:08:56.720Yes, that's right, dude. What's going on with that guy? Is he still around?
02:09:01.280Yeah, he's still around. I think he's, uh, pretty well drugged up at this point and just kind of laying low.
02:09:05.640But, uh, the reason why I wanted to call is, um, on the topic of famous killers, uh, I used to work in the Department of Corrections here in California and I sat across the table from one of the Menendez brothers on regular occasion.
02:09:18.200Um, because he was part of an inmate advisory council where he would go in and kind of advocate to the administrative staff on behalf of the other inmates.
02:09:27.580And, um, um, he's very intelligent, you know, as Lyle, he was very intelligent, very articulate, and it's very easy considering the fact that he's always trying to kind of gain the system in his favor to think that he's a, you know, manipulative and conniving person.
02:09:46.120And maybe he is to some extent, but, um, just kind of knowing his story and, and seeing, seeing how things played out in his life that kind of led up to he and his brother killing their parents.
02:09:59.900I really do think that there's something to his claim that, you know, he and his brother were molested by their father and the mother knew about it and, and that's what led him to do it.
02:10:09.360So I have a lot of sympathy for murderers who became that way because they were, uh, traumatized.
02:10:19.540This doesn't, you know, alleviate them of the blame, but it's certainly something to consider, you know, they're, they're children of God too, you know?
02:10:29.840Yeah. Um, well, that was what kind of got me about the Ed Gaines thing was it was like within that story, there was like this bit of redemption.
02:10:37.060And so it's like, yeah, you know, at the end of the day, they're human.
02:10:41.100And that's why I go kind of back and forth on the whole like death penalty thing too.
02:10:44.780I mean, I, I, I do think there are some things that are so egregious and so beyond the pale that, you know, I don't, I don't know what should happen.
02:10:51.980And then of course there's like miscarriages of justice where like people get wrapped up in this system and get put on death row and it was the wrong person the entire time.
02:10:58.940But I, you know, obviously as a, as a Christian, I believe in redemption and I believe in forgiveness.
02:11:04.100And I think that, um, hurt people hurt people.
02:11:10.160And that's kind of like the real bummer of it, you know, is that you start really analyzing what happens to an individual that goes on and does these things.
02:11:18.560Because even within the Ed Gaines story, it's, you know, it's, it's a horrifying relationship he has with his mother growing up.
02:11:25.980And, you know, there's, there's always that theme where it's like a parent hurt me.
02:11:35.220And I think the other thing too, is that intelligence often does show itself in like a serial killer kind of a character, right?
02:11:43.720Like that, not, I don't want to say cold and calculated as in like unfeeling, but this ability to really harness like logic and, and to, to come out of the other end of trauma, I guess, as, as an intellectual or somebody who can carry themselves.
02:11:59.880And, and, and I, I wonder if that has something to do with the idea that, um, okay, everybody can hear my text messages coming in, geez.
02:12:09.100Um, you know, trauma forces you, especially as a child, to engage with the real nuts and bolts logistical aspect of, of reality.
02:12:22.140Like something terrible happens to you and you now have to like, you're forced to analyze the nature of what you went through.
02:12:29.520And what existence is and what your dynamic is.
02:12:32.600And then once you become aware of what that dynamic is, meaning like you're the weaker person in this situation and you're being taken advantage of, well, then the next logical step is how do I position myself so that this happens less and less than it should.
02:12:47.060So where, where other children are thinking about just the normal aspects of childhood, this child is thinking about like, how do I draw less attention to myself?
02:12:55.920How do I, and that I think starts to really turn into the analytical, um, game planning mind.
02:13:04.520And, and so, um, I think that, that high level of intelligence that you see in a lot of these people, and obviously that's not the case with like Ed Gaines, Ed Gaines ends up being, you know, he was full blown retarded or whatever.
02:13:14.180But, but, uh, in the, in the, what is it?
02:13:16.920The, the Mendez brothers or the Melendez?
02:13:22.100Um, that, that element I think shows itself a lot and I can't help but wonder it's like extreme intelligence.
02:13:30.220Maybe there's a, maybe there's a parallel there between extreme intelligence and the willingness to engage in something that like leads to being a serial killer and all of that stemming from childhood abuse.
02:13:41.580I don't know, but yeah, man, I, I hear what you're saying.
02:13:43.700It's, uh, it is hurt people hurt people and that, and it, and it sucks.
02:13:50.620I think that they're, they're trying to, they need to channel that trauma somewhere.
02:13:55.320And if they're intelligent, they're trying to figure out a way to minimize the reoccurrence of that trauma or, or control kind of how their emotions interact with that trauma.
02:14:04.760And sometimes they do that by passing it on.
02:14:33.540That's, that's how it's going to manifest.
02:14:35.580Honestly, when you just think about like, we're always talking about the MK Ultra program and Project Monarch and everything.
02:14:40.600I mean, you end up creating really high level operators through this disassociative process through trauma and things like that, that are capable of, you know, all sorts of things.
02:14:55.940So, so within a controlled laboratory environment, you're able to induce a state of disassociation through trauma, create this programmable individual.
02:15:05.160And then on the other end, they end up being like a, like a super, like, I don't, I don't really buy into the, what the hell is this guy's name?
02:15:13.720Um, I think I have his book over here, Nathan Reynolds.
02:15:18.440I don't know if you're aware of that guy, but he's like from the Tony Merkel show and he's basically like part of some elite bloodline.
02:15:23.180And he talks about all this trauma that he went through as a child, but then he starts telling this story about being this high level assassin that's utilized by these like royal bloodlines.
02:15:32.400And I don't really believe him, but I also don't disbelieve that story.
02:15:39.320It's like, he thinks that this guy is telling somebody else's story, which I kind of feel like is the case, but certainly like that happens.
02:15:46.000So you traumatize children and you train them up to become these like super soldier assassin type characters.
02:15:52.260And certainly you're rolling around them with a high IQ, really high problem solving abilities.
02:15:59.160Like you're a cold calculated individual.
02:16:01.460All of that was unlocked through trauma.
02:16:03.100So, you know, what you're seeing is sort of a microcosm.
02:16:08.280It's an organic pathway that leads to somebody being like a serial killer because they had this, this trauma in childhood.
02:16:15.080But then you can take it, make it not organic, make it structured, do it in a laboratory setting or a controlled environment and purposely develop a serial killer, but more than a serial killer, like a, you know, a sharpened mind, a tool, a soldier of sorts.
02:16:32.940So in that way, like those two correlations make me go like, yeah, yeah, that is probably what's happening there.
02:16:39.840There's a huge correlation between abuse, childhood abuse and like high level intelligence and shit like that.
02:16:47.100And I think you can, I think you can probably dovetail those two ideas.
02:16:50.120I think that, you know, if you consider the concept you guys talk about of the free range MKUltra chicken and how everybody's kind of exposed to some of these MKUltra strategies on a wide scale.
02:17:02.200So you take someone who's in a position like the Menendez brothers where they're being traumatized by their parents and that, that combined with this free range programming triggers something in them and they end up committing, they're more likely to commit acts like they did rather than channel that trauma into something healthy or handled in a healthy manner.
02:17:23.380Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right.
02:17:26.600I think that's what we're seeing, you know, is, is it's like a free range version, but it's almost like unclaimed assets.
02:17:35.300You know what I mean? Like if we are all potential MKUltra free range chickens, but we don't ping the radar enough to be in the 33rd build, you know, floor of the Blackstone building in Manhattan on a certain date or, you know, something, something really high level like that.
02:17:55.780You know, if we're not at a turning point rally or something like that, but instead we're just in our hometowns flying under their radar, still get triggered in one way or another, still go through the abuse.
02:18:07.240And then, and then that's what ends up happening. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's hard. Like I, even to go back to the Ed Gaines thing, I'm like, this dude ends up in an asylum because of his, because of his mother.
02:18:21.760Is that you set a person on a trajectory from childhood that it's almost impossible to deviate from given the level of abuse. You know, if it's a, if it's a high enough level of abuse, it's almost like it's a lost cause. Like it's done. That person's going off and they're going to, they're going to propagate or perpetuate the same thing that happened to them. Like you said, and, and there's no way around it. And so, but it's still a sad thing. Just knowing like, yeah, that's where you end up when you hurt kids, especially when you hurt kids.
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02:19:25.600Well, I, uh, I thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to chime in. I've been listening to you guys since day one, uh, just recently became on core a few months ago. So I'm engaging in the chat now.
02:19:35.960Yeah. But I wanted to say that, uh, you and top, um, probably saved my life.
02:19:43.180Well, Christ did, but you guys, you guys were there to, to knock on the door, so to speak. So I really appreciate it. And you guys just keep doing what you're doing because it's awesome.
02:19:53.780Thank you, brother. I appreciate you. Thank you for the, the long time support and, uh, uh, you know, call again sometime. It's a, it's cool to hear from you. I appreciate it.
02:20:07.020Oh, we got another one. All right, let's do it again. We'll take a couple more and then I got a, it's getting late.
02:20:13.680Thank you for calling the Raven. Uh, where, who, who, what's your name? Who are you from? Where are you from? Who are you?
02:20:19.140You owe me cat food. What are you doing, Nancy?
02:20:29.000We owe Nancy a couple of, a couple of cans of cat food. All right, fine. That's fine. A little fancy feast for Nancy. A little Nancy feast. Um, such a risk, huh? Uh, uh, uh, uh, opening this up and letting you psychopaths call. But it turns out it's really fun.
02:20:46.260I just saw somebody at my said, uh, the last episode of confessionals was worth, uh, a listen. I think he's talking about the last one. It is. It's a banger. Where am I at here? Where's my thing? Here it is.
02:21:00.620Thank you for calling the Raven. What's your name and where are you from?
02:21:22.760Missouri. Dude, we got a lot of, a lot of, uh, Midwest homies. What's going on, brother?
02:21:28.820Uh, not much. Uh, how are you doing? Uh, I know the nighttime's not been used for a while.
02:21:34.540So it's, uh, it's nine 15 quarter after nine and I am, I'm getting sleepy and I don't want to have an energy drink cause I'll ruin my life.
02:21:45.140Um, I'll never get to sleep after that, but this is going to take some training. This is going to get some getting used to, but otherwise I'm, I'm crushing, man. Thank you for asking.
02:21:52.640But, uh, honestly, I appreciated you doing it at night so much because, I mean, during the day, a lot of people working, you know, me included, can't really interact. So, uh, it's really awesome that you're doing this.
02:22:04.640Yeah. Uh, that, that, I kind of wanted to do it for that purpose and for like some of the West coastians, because, um, there's a lot of people that are, you know, they're always hanging out in the chat.
02:22:15.220Uh, they've supported us for a long time, but you know, they don't have the opportunity to, because three hours behind, if I'm doing, if I'm doing the show, what is it? It's, uh, nine o'clock in the morning.
02:22:24.780So what, it's six o'clock if you live in, in California or something, like nobody's calling in at six o'clock or listening. So I try to do this to, to give, you know, spread it around a little bit.
02:22:37.120Right on, right on. Well, I appreciate it so much, but, uh, I wanted to posit one little quick theory and I'll leave the line open, but, uh, right. Remember, uh, D Glock, I'm sure you're, you know, the weird Nazi bell thing.
02:22:51.180Oh yeah. The thing that kind of like looks like a Vimana.
02:22:56.460Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I've seen like some footage, I mean, most of it's AIBS, but some of it looked legit before there was all the GPTs and whatnot.
02:23:07.040And, uh, anyway, I, you know, uh, I was looking at the Apollo rockets and essentially every fucking space capsule and whatnot. It's kind of the same design, same shape.
02:23:16.600Well, didn't the thing look like that, that, um, these broads went up in Katy Perry and these other ladies, they went to whatever, like low earth orbit and in the Baphomet capsule. And then this guy who runs, uh, Amazon, what the hell is that bald dude's name?
02:23:33.840Um, uh, I forget what he's, what his name is, but Bezos, Bezos. Thank you. Yeah. So Bezos opens the hatch for them, but that thing was basically like a little bell. Wasn't it?
02:23:47.180Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think the whole idea, I don't know if it's round, flat, whatever, but I think the idea with those and the space program is they ain't going to space. They go into the spirit realm. You know, they're going to heaven, as you would say to the heavens.
02:24:05.520That's interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's weird because every time I see like a SpaceX launch, I've been saying this a lot lately that it just, it's not my original idea. Somebody made the comparison. Plenty of people, people made the comparison. And I said, sure does look like it, but it looks like, it looks like water. You know, it looks like, um, it looks like the SpaceX craft is splashing against some sort of, uh, like a, like the surface of water.
02:24:36.020And given that the whole thing kind of looked like a ritual, right? Like I think donut, um, shout out donut. He always does a great job of this kind of esoteric breakdown of an event, but he was looking at that thing with the ladies going to, you know, wherever the hell they were going. And he was showing how it was like a ritual. It was like kind of this, um, I forget what it was. It was like, it's something to do with like a phallus and a bunch of other crap, which like turns up constantly.
02:25:00.280If you look at like the Horus Osiris mythos, like the, the whole golden phallus thing. And it's like over and over again, that element shows itself. And so, you know, that is to say that it seems to serve a spiritual purpose a lot more than it does any sort of physical purpose. I mean, they didn't go anywhere. Right. Um,
02:25:30.280there's some resemblance to some creature from like, uh, Jewish texts that talk about Solomon. I forget what the hell the name of that thing was, but it's like every time there's some sort of like deep sea exploration or some sort of like space.
02:25:42.020You know, excursion, there's always some sort of spiritual aspect to it. There was even one where they crashed something into the moon and, and to collect particles from the dust that would have been kicked up from this, this object crashing into the moon.
02:25:58.480And I think they called it like, I don't know if they called it Apophis, but whatever it was named after, it was named after like a, a, a mythical dragon creature. So it's like over and over again, they do these kinds of space exploration missions that are just peppered with spiritual context.
02:26:15.480So yeah, the idea that like, they're not going to space, which like the Bible does clearly say there's a firmament and you know, the firmament show with his handiwork and, or God's handiwork and, and over and over again, it, it looks like they're smashing up against a firmament.
02:26:32.380Yeah. I mean, the idea that they're going into a spiritual realm, I'm much more comfortable these days with like travel being into different realms and dimensions via portals and such than I am with, you know, even the whole Avi Loeb where it's like this thing is, is,
02:26:45.680three light days away. I'm like, I don't know, dude, I, I, space increasingly feels fake and gay. Um, but the spiritual realm seems to be the real answer for these things.
02:26:58.400Right. Right. Cause I used to be very fond of NASA and space exploration and all of that. I really bought into roundness a lot, but I'm like really starting to doubt it now. And I'm like, what? But like, what about all the other things we can see out there?
02:27:14.160Or even with amateur telescopes, I'm like, what, what is this? And just signs in the heavens. I mean, maybe.
02:27:20.180Yeah. I mean, I know that you can observe these other planets and you can see that they have like a spherical sort of a shape to them, but does that necessarily mean that we do?
02:27:33.200I mean, if you're, if you're following that spiritual, uh, principle of as above, so below, then that might suggest that we're on a, on a sphere, on a globe. But man, I think the real thing that kind of puts holes in it,
02:27:45.120or at least gives me pause is like, like I said earlier, all these measurements that have to do with the curvature per square mile and all these different things, or the, excuse me, the distance between us and the sun.
02:27:58.280Everything has the number six, six, six. It pops up over and over again. We've had the guys on from, uh, um, the phone booth podcast.
02:28:04.880And, uh, the one, the main guy goes by Ted does a really great job. He's a, he's a longtime buddy of mine. Now he'll show you like all of NASA's equations that they're out there. They're just like, not well known.
02:28:18.280You know, it's not like something that people are seeking out, but like, if you look for it there, you could find all the calculations that show you curvature per square mile, et cetera, et cetera. And like so many of the things are like, oh, and it's 6.66, you know, light years away. And this is 6.66 miles per, uh, you know, square. It's like one, like, why the hell does this number keep popping up over and over again?
02:28:43.080And there was something that I saw once where it was like universal studios came out with the, the image of the globe on their logo. Like, I don't know how many years before we ever landed on the moon or had anything that could, you know, before we ever received the first picture of earth from the moon. And I'm like, that's weird, dude. That's really weird. So Hollywood universal studios gave us the first example of, of the globe, like what earth looks like from a distance before we landed on the moon.
02:29:11.720And then you start looking into like the moon landing and like this dude taking a phone call from the moon in the white house. I'm like, this is, this is all bullshit. So you start doing that like more and more. And now I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. But if you came out and you said like, it's definitively flat, we're a domed enclosure, a flat plane stationary. And it's been proven. I don't think I'd be surprised at all.
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02:30:00.660Yeah, yeah. I mean, even if it's hollow too, which I'm getting more open to. It's so strange. You know, we have no idea what this thing is, but we all exist inside of it.
02:30:21.440Well, the hollow thing is almost like a given to me because it's, you know, I've seen enough footage of giant cavernous expanses within the earth that it's certainly hollow. It's just like to what degree? Is it hollow, meaning there's giant swaths of space between like the crust and the mantle?
02:30:40.200Or is it that there is no molten core whatsoever? And that, you know, I don't know, even that model is like kind of crazy.
02:30:52.340Because sometimes I feel like they just tell you the craziest shit in the world. They're like, yeah, so it's like, it's like crust, right? With like mountains and stuff.
02:30:58.660And then there's like, you know, there's like valleys that are filled with water. It's like oceans and everything. But beneath that, it's like this layer.
02:31:04.240But then if you keep going even deeper, it's like, you know, a giant molten ball that's in the middle. And that's what's kind of like in the center of everything, which almost doesn't even make sense logistically.
02:31:14.700It's like the center of this thing is in constant flux, but it's held together, you know, and then the aqueducts make it even stranger because it's like this idea of like the waters in the deep.
02:31:29.020So it's like, okay, so the deeper you go, you eventually reach a molten core. But before you get there, you reach like also an ocean of water.
02:31:38.860Like the whole thing gets really squirrely. And it's like, I don't know, the more time goes on, the more the old model gets thrown out and a new one gets wrong.
02:31:44.700Rolled in and science goes like, well, that's just like the process of learning. Like, you know, like, well, that's called being wrong.
02:31:51.320Isn't it? It's kind of the same thing with dinosaurs where it's like, ah, well, they kind of flew.
02:31:55.840And they're like giant flying lizards. And like, they probably had like feathers. And you're like, you mean fucking dragons. You're saying dragons?
02:32:02.720Because you said dragons didn't exist, but now you're saying they do exist, but they're not dragons. Like they just didn't breathe fire.
02:32:08.680And then I feel like five years from now, they're going to be like, well, some of them breathe fire, but that doesn't make them a dragon.
02:32:13.940It's actually really fascinating the way they breathe fire, get a load of this. There's a biological aspect where they roll out.
02:32:19.140And it's like, so it's like, just give science enough time. It's going to completely throw out the old model that it has.
02:32:24.800And it's just going to become stranger and stranger and closer to what like people kind of would, would call fiction right now anyway.
02:32:32.160Right. It's so, it's such a wild, you can never tell what's real, not, I mean, it's been manufactured before AI, but I had one last little question for you and then I'm going to be done.
02:32:48.220But, uh, you know, what do you think about video games? Bad, good, you know?
02:32:54.140Um, I mean, I, I like video games that I, I, I'll play sometimes still to this day.
02:33:00.300I think there's something in like early childhood development with like hand-eye coordination, problem solving, uh, puzzles and things like that.
02:33:08.600Um, I think certain skills in video games do translate to real life.
02:33:13.200For example, like before I ever knew how to drive a car, I knew how to drive because of video games because I got the physics and everything down to such an extent, uh, that it was a good scaffolding upon which to build my, you know, ideas of how to drive.
02:33:26.900So then when I ended up finally getting behind the wheel, I said, oh shit, this is like really similar.
02:33:31.220And then you look at training programs that are deployed by the military or any of these simulators like farming simulator or this simulator or that simulator.
02:33:39.360I have a brother-in-law who learned how to fly on a flight simulator and then eventually went on to, to get his actual pilot's license.
02:33:48.140Um, so it's clear that there are skills that are transferable through video games.
02:33:52.460There might be something to be said about the gratuitous amount of violence.
02:33:55.940For example, like my son, um, he has a VR that was gifted to him.
02:34:01.500It wouldn't have been my decision to do that, but you know, some close friends got it for him and I said, okay, we'll, we'll see what it is.
02:34:07.800And one of the games that was downloaded on there was just like, I don't even know what it was.
02:34:14.720It was just like endless hordes of enemies who you just grabbed, ragdolled, you stabbed them, you did all this crazy shit, whatever the hell you wanted to do to them.
02:34:23.440And it was interesting because the physics kind of worked well and you could really get creative with whatever you're doing.
02:34:28.660I mean, you could throw knives, you know, and when I tell you the physics were there, like it was kind of weird, uh, when you took off the headset, you felt like your hands were, um, still kind of the video game hands.
02:34:41.180But, you know, it was just mindless, senseless violence.
02:34:44.500So I took it away from him pretty quick.
02:34:46.400Like, so I think there's like certain things, like if you're just exposing, especially when it comes to VR, um, exposing yourself, even as an adult to just nothing but like violence and gore.
02:34:57.900And it's that intimate where it encompasses, you know, your entire range of sight, your peripheral vision, plus the, the tactile sensation with your hands of opening and closing and pulling triggers that are on the controller that turn into triggers of guns in the game.
02:35:11.960Like that's a little bit weird, but even that I, I sometimes wonder, I mean, if you came up with a good enough boxing simulator, could you teach an individual boxing?
02:35:21.440So for learning skills, I think it has its place.
02:35:26.160And even as far back as like those old platformers, like, you know, Mario Bros and stuff like that, like developing timing, um, there's a mechanism at play that you can really check out, uh, from, for me, boxing was a great example where it'd be like, um, if I was going to class and I was learning a drill and we were drilling and drilling and drilling it over and over again.
02:35:49.620And I was like sparring with people and stuff.
02:35:51.640And I might've reached a point that day where I was like kind of at my wits end.
02:35:55.660And I started fumbling and flubbing the simplest stuff, simplest combos that I was doing like pad work on.
02:36:01.740My, my coach would tell me a combo and I would just get like maxed out, couldn't do it anymore.
02:36:06.440And, um, I'd go home, I'd sleep on it.
02:36:09.380And I think your brain actually goes through this process where like, you kind of keep obsessing over it in your sleep.
02:36:13.820I was listening to a Rogan episode one day and a sleep doctor was talking about this process.
02:36:17.440I forgot what he called it, but you sleep on it.
02:36:19.420The next day you wake up, you execute it.
02:36:22.140And it's like, it just comes to you naturally.
02:36:24.440Even though the day before, like you were at wits end with it, you couldn't get it done.
02:36:27.520The same thing happens in video games.
02:36:29.560You will be, you know, trying to beat like, let's say a boss over and over and over again.
02:37:03.940But sometimes I get this really eerie feeling like, is this trying to imitate God's creation?
02:37:09.760You know, this is like, I do as thou will.
02:37:12.440So, you know, yeah, I mean, there's certainly like, there's a game I've never played it and I won't play it, but it's called like Blasphemy.
02:37:24.800And it's just like on the cover, there's like a picture of Christ.
02:37:28.180It's like super menacing looking and like, like, what is this, dude?
02:37:32.520And I don't know, Minecraft is an interesting one.
02:43:32.460That one would definitely, if we ever got money from somebody and they were saying you can't say a thing, we would immediately say go fuck yourself.
02:43:51.460We're going to do a show when the laptop dies.
02:43:53.900In our own lives, we're beginning to just tread more cautiously because we're trying to understand, like, what it means to be a representative of, like, Christianity.
02:44:05.900You know, I've talked to people before on the show.
02:44:11.500Um, where I've said that, you know, one of my big bummers with, uh, with Clint and the falling out was, like, Clint was really on this path where it seemed like he was going to come to Christ.
02:44:38.440And, and what I didn't like was the idea that we were ever to be representatives of Christianity in his eyes and that he would have been moved away from, from developing a relationship with Christ because he had disdain for us.
02:44:54.460And so, that was one of the first times where I, I was like, oh, that's interesting, like, did I just push somebody away from God and would God be pumped about that?
02:45:06.940And I don't think I did anything wrong in that whole situation.
02:45:09.240You know, it was like, you know, everybody knows how the thing went down.
02:45:12.360If you don't, it's not really worth rehashing.
02:45:13.820But, but it was still something that I thought about.
02:45:17.700But, um, anybody who would come along and try to pull us in a different direction that wasn't an organic development, you know, they can kick rocks.
02:45:27.440I wouldn't be into, I wouldn't be into that.
02:45:29.640But, yeah, I mean, even with, with sponsors, you know, uh, we're trying to, like, a lot of people listen on, on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and we have a lot of ads on there.
02:45:43.440Sometimes you're doing, like, eight episodes a week.
02:45:45.060So, we just have to get, you know, some sort of money coming in.
02:45:48.080Because if not, then we simply couldn't put out this many episodes.
02:45:51.300And a lot of people like the volume that we put out.
02:45:52.920So, if that's the model that we're going to work with right now, we're putting out six, seven, eight episodes a week sometimes, then we would need to get paid for that.
02:46:00.780So, we have, like, Spreaker, which does iHeartRadio.
02:46:03.320iHeartRadio just, like, gets us advertisers.