Nephilim Death Squad - Throw Back ： Conspiracy Potpourri - NDS on J. Burden

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00:00:14.860 I'm not convinced, man, but like it would make the world more interesting, so I'll give it to you.

00:00:20.040 Yeah.

00:00:20.540 You know, I think the world probably is a lot more interesting than what we're, I hope it is.

00:00:24.900 And maybe that's the reason that I fall for conspiracies is because I can't imagine that the grind in taxes is all we get.

00:00:31.640 It's boring, dog. 1.00

00:00:32.780 It sucks ass here. 1.00

00:00:34.380 We're going to make something up. 1.00

00:00:35.840 We're going to make some shit up. 0.99

00:00:37.140 Let's do a podcast about it. 0.99

00:00:38.800 Let's get a couple thousand fans.

00:00:41.320 Let's lie.

00:00:41.800 I'm the – I guess if you're not really familiar with me, they call me the father of disinformation.

00:00:48.060 That's like my –

00:00:48.860 Oh, well, see, I haven't followed your stuff super closely,

00:00:53.060 but I was in college during the whole Mises Caucus thing. 0.92

00:00:57.520 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:00:57.920 So I was at least aware.

00:00:58.980 So I'm not going to pretend to have followed super closely,

00:01:02.460 but I remember it was really fun back then,

00:01:05.540 and I remember I think you were on Tower Gang

00:01:08.300 was probably the last time I would have heard it.

00:01:09.780 So, I mean, that era.

00:01:10.940 Yeah.

00:01:11.600 Well, the last time was about a year ago.

00:01:14.380 um so then you you kind of exist in this libertarian sphere or is that insulting

00:01:20.440 i came through it uh it's not my bag you know like i i'm gen z a bunch of my friends who are

00:01:27.920 slightly older were like og ron paul folks so i know it i'm conversant but like i know 0.92

00:01:33.960 a few other guys but i'm not you know following everything you ever had gay sex well you know

00:01:40.620 define define i think what he means to ask you is have you ever been to an lp event right that's 0.83

00:01:48.820 that's more uh what i was no i haven't so i've been to one all i'm saying is twenty dollars is

00:01:55.440 twenty dollars i'm not very proud to admit it you couldn't pay me to go back actually uh i've been

00:02:00.420 to one and i went okay yeah i'm not going to be libertarian because that would be i bought him

00:02:05.920 there to perform as tower gang at the lp georgia convention that's what it was right yeah yeah we

00:02:12.380 get in there and immediately it's like jacob hornberger is walking up and down the road

00:02:16.680 just talking to himself and he's like screaming i said we were in the car and i said yo top

00:02:22.700 there's an old man in a suit screaming in the woods yeah and you look over and you go that's

00:02:27.360 jacob hornberger presidential candidate and i go one party because i was i was told that this is

00:02:33.900 going to be like um there's people here who are seriously trying to uh secure the the you know

00:02:39.720 the candidacy or and i go okay cool so so that's that sounds pretty serious and then he's like well

00:02:44.420 why did they invite tower gang to perform and i'll see nobody is everybody on stage is um i don't 0.84

00:02:50.500 want to say everybody on stage is retarded but toad at the time was running against these people 0.88

00:02:55.180 and the first thing he did when he got on stage was he took his shoes off so he's in his bare feet 0.96

00:02:59.620 And I went, this isn't real. None of this is real. This isn't a real thing. Libertarians aren't real people.

00:03:05.820 So that was an immediate pivot for me in my life where I turned my back on that and I said, this isn't a viable way forward.

00:03:13.200 Well, he kind of he saw this as libertarianism was in its like downfall.

00:03:18.620 But the Mises caucus was a lot of fun, like when that whole movement was going on and Dave Smith was kind of involved.

00:03:24.940 And this was right before Dave Smith had acted like he was going to run for president and then did it.

00:03:31.020 So everything falls apart.

00:03:32.320 So, yeah, it was a more serious movement.

00:03:34.480 It was more fun.

00:03:35.420 Like Tom Woods 2000 event was great.

00:03:37.720 A lot of I don't regret it at all.

00:03:39.400 A lot of people that I met there were really cool.

00:03:41.420 A lot of cool connections.

00:03:42.600 It's kind of like how I cut my teeth in social media and politics.

00:03:46.400 And, yeah, it was a good time.

00:03:48.240 But ultimately a waste of time.

00:03:51.080 look our like the the right wing conferences are huge they kind of like run the gamut from like

00:03:59.640 super nerdy like really smart guys ton of like vc dudes as you can imagine and then just like

00:04:05.740 god's own prototypes where it's like where where did you come from like my my wife and i went out

00:04:12.300 to one in portland which is actually super cool i kind of love portland it's like everything they

00:04:16.880 say about it is 100 true but it's still kind of cool and uh there's a character i never figured

00:04:22.080 out his name we just called the gay pirate because he showed up in like full-on like jack sparrow

00:04:27.840 style pirate gear with a sword like a real sword yeah go ahead tell him well well tell him why do 1.00

00:04:36.480 these events no no fucking tell him which one tell him which one about your whole shit your jack 1.00

00:04:40.820 sparrow shit don't don't just i'm not gonna fucking do that all right when i was fine when 1.00

00:04:44.460 i was a young man for whatever reason i got stuck acting like jack sparrow for the better part you 0.99

00:04:50.120 know how like people get stuck in wigger phases yeah this was like middle school the end of middle

00:04:54.660 school um and probably my first year in in high school uh for some reason it was very popular 0.99

00:04:59.860 film okay but but what i don't understand is why are these uh these things that feign to be

00:05:05.940 you know serious political uh events so akin to like a renaissance festival why why is there an

00:05:15.720 overlap there i mean you could look at it like seriously and be like oh you know politics is 0.97

00:05:21.660 theater it's all one thing or you could just be like i don't know man there's a lot of gay weirdos 0.56

00:05:26.760 i think why not both i don't you know and that's the way i look at things i go sons yeah i go this 0.92

00:05:33.940 is this is uh these things are possibly mutually exclusive i think they're i think they're a

00:05:39.380 microcosm of the the general movement at the top like one of our things that got us in a lot of

00:05:44.760 trouble was last year with oh yeah the butler shooting yep yeah the so that goes down and i

00:05:51.120 don't know i don't know your stance on it but immediately we look at him we go that looks like

00:05:56.140 bullshit man yep yeah i don't i don't know about all that we got on one of the biggest podcasts 0.99

00:06:01.540 that you we got on on tinfoil hat with sam tripoli and we said um no i think this is fake and gay 0.99

00:06:07.200 and he said dude this is too intense to put up you can't say that kind of thing we're gonna put 0.64

00:06:12.420 you on a different show it's not gonna be tinfoil hat it's a show he had going on at the time called

00:06:16.580 uh dangerous dangerous and because he thought it was an actual dangerous idea and uh and now i

00:06:23.260 don't know it feels he eventually moved it over to tinfoil hat he said it was a great episode so

00:06:27.800 put it on there but now the overton window has kind of shifted and people are they were very

00:06:33.440 mad at us at first but now i feel like it's it's a thing you can have a conversation about well it's

00:06:37.480 almost like the general consensus now where people go yeah the butler shooting seemed kind of

00:06:42.660 suspicious got a lot of holes in it yeah they misspelled the guy's name that got shot uh they

00:06:47.220 lowered the american flag to take the picture no no it got shot the american flag got shot and it

00:06:52.160 was kind of just dropping into holding it yeah yeah yeah so that wasn't i'm also guilty of the

00:06:57.000 griff too i made a trump shirt the fight fight fight sold a bunch of those a lot of fun it's

00:07:01.540 fun to play uh it's fun to take the blue pill for a little while like like i i never believed it but

00:07:07.020 i'm like yeah let's fucking dance dance in this i feel like more of what you're saying is it's it's 0.95

00:07:11.360 more fun to profit off of retards like if the retards are out there somebody's got to turn a 0.97

00:07:16.180 buck right yeah and that's me why not me yeah touche hashtag all right gents y'all want to get 0.99

00:07:23.300 started yeah let's do it here's here's the thing i never want to hot mic someone you know i never

00:07:30.560 want to just have someone start rolling it oh i would say you have entire permission to use

00:07:35.160 everything that you just heard yeah we don't care i didn't even hit the recording button yet

00:07:40.800 professional all right neville of death squad how you guys doing we're doing good thank god 0.92

00:07:50.800 you didn't record any of the shit we just said yeah hard r after hard r like god i don't understand 0.79

00:07:56.940 how you guys stay on air uh dude um that's a great that's a great observation uh i think 0.98

00:08:05.000 once we get big enough we'll lose everything we've built probably there's there's a backlog 0.98

00:08:10.360 of shit that i've said um that's gonna come back sure to bite me is there are shit before we 0.98

00:08:17.120 actually get started are they should we avoid certain words on this show i mean look if you 0.99

00:08:23.440 can say whatever you want and there's a roughly 40 chance i will remember to edit it out i've got

00:08:30.360 somehow on a monetized youtube channel like hard r's direct threats of violence i didn't say it

00:08:36.640 just some guy i was talking to so like you know maybe don't threaten a sitting u.s congressman

00:08:42.540 with like their address but like sure to that man you're fine uh well i can't i can't really name

00:08:47.200 any sitting u.s congressman so that's great and i also don't know their addresses but we do a fair

00:08:51.640 bit of threatening the lives of we've threatened the blue letter bible i don't know if you which

00:08:56.280 is a fantastic organization by the way um but there was a time where i said i was going to kill

00:09:01.500 no hey no no there was 30 seconds into the show there was a time where i said that but that's not

00:09:07.660 true and i would never do that and actually it's a fantastic product use promo code squad

00:09:11.800 Blue Letter Bible is, there's no promo code to it, Blue Letter Bible is a great tool.

00:09:16.420 And what we focus on on Nephilim Death Squad is a lot of conspiracy comedy, obviously, and like biblical stuff.

00:09:22.480 But Blue Letter Bible gives the transliteration from the Hebrew to English to the, if it's the New Testament, from Greek to English.

00:09:31.340 And it really lets you like dive deep into what is going on.

00:09:35.200 Are you a Bible guy? Are you a Christian? Where are you at?

00:09:37.600 Yeah. Yeah. I don't talk about it much on my podcast because it's like it's a bit tough to be like, hey, I'm a serious, committed, religious guy. Also, the last 30 minutes you've heard him making dick jokes and talking about like, you know, Byron Gnome's bimbofication. So like, you know, yeah, it is something that is true about me. But it's always like I am not the representative anyone should look to.

00:10:05.420 Sure.

00:10:06.160 I disagree, man.

00:10:07.520 He's just like us for real.

00:10:08.640 Yeah, you're just like us for real, for real.

00:10:10.400 No, but I think that there's so many people out there that are just regular dudes.

00:10:15.300 And it's like, well, what does it mean to be a Christian?

00:10:17.440 It means that you believe in Jesus Christ, that he died, and he's your savior, and he's God. 1.00

00:10:21.580 And it's like, yeah, so why can't I say, you know, fuck you right after that? 0.99

00:10:26.000 And people have an issue with that. 0.99

00:10:28.680 And this is one of the things I noticed, too.

00:10:31.040 that because there's a there's a weird demographic detail where it's like for basically the first

00:10:35.560 time in like recorded western history there are more men than women in church and so like you have

00:10:41.920 all of these like secondary institutions called the you know the not-for-profits and stuff that

00:10:47.360 are heavily heavily female-coded have you ever been to like the like christianity today or like

00:10:53.980 the gospel coalition you know those kind of like big organizations they're basically run by like

00:11:00.240 school principal types yeah you know the kind of like probably very nice but very very respectable

00:11:07.460 like older women and men ish and it's like i 100 understand why that's off-putting because like

00:11:14.960 it's not how i talk to anyone and so like it is created this weird kind of like culture clash

00:11:21.880 between like and i see it at my own church where it's like a bunch of like under 30 year old guys

00:11:27.700 who are saying crazy stuff and then like liberal boomer women and it just does not mix it's like

00:11:32.560 oil and water well this is this is what we're doing in this coffee shop right now so um kind

00:11:38.100 of funny i don't want to go through the whole story but we i walk into the coffee shop i got my

00:11:41.900 i have one of my nephilim death squad t-shirts on and the owner goes what do you know about the 0.86

00:11:46.220 nephilim and we start chatting it up and eventually he's like hey do you want to do a fucking podcast 0.76

00:11:51.120 studio here because i was doing a studio out of my house at the time and i was like no that's 0.91

00:11:55.800 retarded why would why would i do that this makes no sense and then he asked a bunch of more times 0.84

00:12:00.600 and then we eventually opened up this studio that we're in right now but right behind it 0.89

00:12:05.720 is a christian library so on if you go out those doors back there there's a christian library

00:12:12.040 filled with boomers yeah old actually they're there right now right now in fact a lot of the 0.94

00:12:16.560 times we will kind of clash because we're loud and retarded and they don't because you're screaming 0.94

00:12:21.220 the n-word and they're that happens to doing a very boring bible study back there but we are

00:12:27.120 tell me in in the bible where it says i can't do that scream the n-word uh i don't think it had

00:12:32.480 been invented so you know this is an interesting observation i kind of went through and i i said

00:12:37.940 um you know i i use chat gpt and i said pull out which is which is the devil clearly demons but i

00:12:44.840 I like to have them do my bidding King Solomon style.

00:12:47.540 So I'll go, show me every instance of Jesus using an insult in the Bible.

00:12:53.820 And it compiles all of them, and it's actually pretty lengthy.

00:12:57.040 And then I go on a different thread.

00:12:59.240 I go, tell me every known insult that was popular during the time of Christ.

00:13:06.400 And then it is identical one to one.

00:13:09.980 Every insult that was popular is every insult that Jesus used,

00:13:14.260 which then leads me to you know not it's not a conclusion it's more of a strong suspicion that 0.99

00:13:19.480 if the word retard okay was available he would have used it well and it's kind of interesting

00:13:30.200 because this is off topic this is actually serious things i do in my real life but i've been 0.68

00:13:34.020 been going through with a couple guys uh the book of ecclesiastes yeah right it's actually

00:13:39.020 super fascinating book uh peter kreeft who's a i'm not catholic he's a catholic philosopher

00:13:45.160 wrote a book called the three philosophies of life where it is uh job ecclesiastes song solomon

00:13:51.380 the whole book is like i'd say it's like 90 pages 30 on each super interesting stuff but obviously

00:13:57.860 the whole like conceit of ecclesiastes is like life is vanity all is vanity and kreeft basically

00:14:05.700 goes through and he's like yeah half the time he's saying that he's basically like yeah this 0.97

00:14:08.940 is shit that's shit oh yeah and it's almost the exact same language that that paul uses 0.99

00:14:14.740 right sort of echoing ecclesiastes later and we'll say philippians we'll go with that and it's uh it 0.99

00:14:21.320 is sort of that interesting thing where it's like no no you devoid of that context it reads is very

00:14:26.860 like stodgy you know kind of country club language but it's like that is not how paul was speaking at

00:14:31.480 the time yeah well i mean you know ecclesiastes too as much as it is like this it's almost like

00:14:36.220 this doomer language uh in a lot of can we just keep in mind like as well we're discussing paul

00:14:42.280 uh saul paul whatever this dude was killing people yeah this is a lot of them yeah this is

00:14:48.640 not your run-of-the-mill you know older lady buttoned up kind of dude these people were about 0.99

00:14:54.920 it you know even the disciples some of them they're like yeah i mean they cut off a roman 0.98

00:14:58.880 guards ear they're like hey can we bring fire down on these guys these guys were kind of fucking

00:15:03.700 crazy if you think about like jesus a random dude walks up to them and he's like hey follow me and 0.94

00:15:09.280 they're like you know what yeah yeah i mean he's the son of god of course but they're they're

00:15:13.160 something about them is wild that that they're attracted to simon the zealot right like that

00:15:18.580 guy's basically a member of like the contemporary taliban you know like that's the level of like

00:15:24.080 that's what that term meant yes so we we've received a ton of pushback i wasn't raised

00:15:30.400 christian at all so my my um my coming to christianity is is done in such a way that

00:15:36.840 conspiracy leads me to christianity um and this is a journey that's taken place that we're at year

00:15:42.580 20 uh right now so i've been a conspiracy theorist for 20 years eventually found my way to christianity

00:15:47.620 I'm now being subjected to Christians, you know, in this way we talked about kind of not for profit 501c3 fashion in real life and on the Internet.

00:16:00.400 And many of them find me appalling, which is confusing because everything that I'm learning about all the characters in the Bible, these are radical people. 0.63

00:16:11.540 these are radical people and having come through the grit of conspiracy and a cult and all these

00:16:18.820 different things to to come to christ that word like that grit has been really on display for

00:16:25.440 this entire journey then all of a sudden i get here and i look around and these these people

00:16:29.880 who profess to be christians which i don't know your heart that's none of my business but they

00:16:33.800 do turn on me and they get real upset about my rhetoric and i go the way that you're portraying 0.52

00:16:38.820 god is very gay and very cringy and that's not what i've come to learn at all this thing is very 0.99

00:16:46.680 radical and you guys are soft as shit and you look throughout the bible you know all these 1.00

00:16:52.800 characters that we just talked about you know we talked about elijah the other day right killing 1.00

00:16:57.460 all of these uh prophets of baal was it yeah and then you know uh was it him that ran so fast he's

00:17:05.640 like running ahead of chariots like there's all these unbelievable things it's super brutal

00:17:09.680 but i can't say you know you name it whatever the word is if i do somehow you know my heart and i'm 0.97

00:17:16.600 not a christian it's like this is the weirdest shit and then when you go to and i'm not trying 0.95

00:17:20.500 to rag on the church too much but it's like when you go there it's very like sing-songy depends on 0.99

00:17:25.700 what you know church you're going to but i'm like well this has been severely reduced from the thing

00:17:31.520 that i've come to understand is the truth yeah well it's funny you bring that up because it's

00:17:36.180 actually one of my favorite favorite moments in the old testament right where elijah's literally

00:17:41.900 called down fire from god yeah and then afterwards he's like all right well i'm gonna go take all

00:17:46.260 these guys out the creek and just kill them with a sword leaves and he's like living in a cave by 0.97

00:17:52.760 himself he's like god i just want to kill myself this is miserable what have i done which is such 0.99

00:17:58.140 a great like very very human moment yeah he's literally like ripped the fabric of reality apart 0.78

00:18:03.540 called down fire from heaven and then like he's like what have i done like everyone in the

00:18:10.460 government hates me i'm living by myself in the woods talking to god like almost face to face

00:18:16.160 right just say yeah just kill me please god's like god goes hey dude watch this and then he 0.95

00:18:20.760 like breaks a mountain and elijah's like i still kind of want to kill myself though and he's like 0.90

00:18:25.880 depressed and god's like sends an angel and angel cooks him breakfast and he wakes up and he's like

00:18:30.740 thanks for the breakfast and he's like i'm gonna go back to bed though yeah and it's just like 0.96

00:18:34.120 yeah that's like that's real shit though right that's like a real human being a guy that is 0.94

00:18:40.680 about it you know what's so funny too the way that jay is laughing and we get that question like 0.98

00:18:45.440 what's funny about the bible oh yeah everything's funny about the bible that's all very funny my

00:18:49.940 mom was asking me recently she was like because we do an event called uh you can see right there

00:18:54.100 bohemian grove and that's actually coming very soon the last one we had sam tripoli owen benjamin 0.99

00:18:58.920 at the other one before that leonardo joni and we had jake shit it was this last one was fucking 0.76

00:19:03.320 crazy yeah yeah but uh we do it and it's like comedy based and she's like so what are you 0.82

00:19:08.080 going to do now and i said well we're going to do a bible study and she's like but how are you

00:19:12.740 going to do that and i was like well it's going to be hilarious and she's like well what's funny

00:19:16.600 about the bible and i was like what's funny about the bible like so much what's not funny so

00:19:21.060 immediately my contrary brain goes to like the crucifixion and she like oh you know clutching

00:19:27.040 her pearls what do you mean the crucifixion and i was like well okay so they beat him they rip his

00:19:31.460 beard out he gives up his life willingly he doesn't they don't kill him and and immediately

00:19:37.360 what does he do after he goes and he meets with his buddies no he goes to hell and he starts

00:19:43.840 It's proclaiming the gospel to the spirits in hell.

00:19:48.700 It's proclaiming victory.

00:19:50.480 Yeah, he's proclaiming. 1.00

00:19:51.040 He's going to hell and he's like, I won, dog. 0.98

00:19:53.460 Because I forget exactly what they call it. 0.93

00:19:55.000 It's not hell, but, you know, it's the holding place.

00:19:57.040 This is like you have Abraham's bosom and then this other place that's like Hades, I believe. 0.56

00:20:01.840 Sheol, I think.

00:20:02.500 Sheol, yeah.

00:20:03.460 Right.

00:20:03.660 So these are for the spirits.

00:20:05.340 And I think it's 2 Peter 3.

00:20:08.160 They even go on and they say, it's 1 Peter 3.

00:20:11.300 he goes on and he says that he's proclaiming to the spirits that are in Sheol and these spirits

00:20:16.280 specifically are the ones from the days of Noah so these are the spirits from before the flood

00:20:22.040 and if you're like us if you're crazy people and you uh read into Genesis 6 and study like the

00:20:27.580 etymology of some of these words and look through the book of Enoch and stuff like that those spirits

00:20:32.700 would have been uh possibly Nephilim spirits possibly spirits definitely spirits of uh human

00:20:38.240 beings that were wicked at the time but there was some aspect of this uh crossbreeding or possibly

00:20:45.440 you know infiltration from the seed of satan which is also mentioned in genesis 3 15 3 14 where they

00:20:51.200 talk about the seed war but uh so he's down there and he's talking to these guys and he's proclaiming

00:20:56.800 the gospel so so you've killed me so you've won but really this is what has happened and when you

00:21:02.540 like when you take a step back and you look at that i'm a i'm a sports player so like when when

00:21:09.760 i play baseball if i hit a line drive off of a dude and i'm at second base i might talk some 0.83

00:21:14.960 shit to you the pitcher i might just i might be in your ear because i know that that's distracting 0.99

00:21:19.500 to you that's what jesus is he's that's what he's down there doing yeah he goes right to hell and 1.00

00:21:24.180 immediately starts talking shit to the people to the entities that conspired to put him on the 0.97

00:21:29.040 cross and i was like this is hilarious which of course is is something that you would consider 0.98

00:21:32.700 doing when they think they've won yeah it's like what they've actually done is played directly into

00:21:37.800 your hand like oh this thing that you think you've accomplished has actually solidified 0.99

00:21:43.060 your downfall which is incredible so like yeah you're probably going to talk some shit it's just 0.99

00:21:47.640 funny because it says he's proclaiming he's proclaiming the gospel to these spirits and 0.99

00:21:51.580 these spirits stay in in sheol they're there there is no redemption for them you're proclaiming this 0.99

00:21:56.700 to them so you're just you're just telling them you're talking shit and i'm like this is to me 0.94

00:22:00.800 because maybe because i'm a broken person very funny it's also uh such a a different human take 0.98

00:22:07.160 right like because the bible was is uh for many people this i don't know it's a book that you

00:22:14.080 treat with reverence it's it's certainly not a book that many people look at as like historical

00:22:18.200 fact um it is something that is much more like ceremonial you know so it's it's to be treated

00:22:25.300 with reverence and it's like when we're going through it we're looking at this like through

00:22:30.740 the lens of this was a real event these are real people right and so it takes on an actual life

00:22:37.380 it's not just repetition of of uh scripture this is like we're trying to understand these real

00:22:43.600 characters that really existed and when that happens you're gonna draw humor out of it god

00:22:48.460 himself i mean this is like a almost it almost mimics mimics itself in the political realm these

00:22:53.600 days now how we're dealing with this uh uh like i guess you'd call it toxic femininity that is now

00:22:59.140 within politics i mean you can look at like erica kirk erica kirk's a great example of a great 0.99

00:23:03.720 recent example and i don't know how you feel about this but i think she should shut up

00:23:06.640 but uh genesis one the first independent of anything that happened in her life it's just

00:23:12.000 she it's like okay all right already just stop talking yeah somebody said woman and i go woman

00:23:17.620 shouldn't and that's that should follow that word send tweet but uh genesis 1 chapter 1 verse 1

00:23:25.120 it's talking about god and it's talking about uh it's talking about the oceans and it says that

00:23:30.440 god moves over the face of the deep and the deep is in the hebrew it's translated as uh teom and

00:23:36.620 teom is like a dragon so that would be uh what's the name of this dragon again tiamat yeah like

00:23:40.960 you know people relate that to tiamat but it has a feminine characteristic in the hebrew when you

00:23:46.000 look at the translation so really what it's saying is that god god being this order this masculine

00:23:51.760 this is a jordan peterson idea he moves over the face of the deep which is waters which is the

00:23:57.380 dragon which is chaos so it's like just disorder yeah and he tells it calm down and then it does

00:24:04.960 and then he's then the rest of the creation story starts and i'm just like oh so like

00:24:09.260 since the beginning since the very first thing it's just this masculine order yeah that and it

00:24:15.780 doesn't kill the feminine which is wrong now you're getting into like this andrew tate territory

00:24:20.380 but it tells the feminine hey shut up yeah like calm down i mean it's literally a mean 2026 it's

00:24:28.120 like never tell a woman to calm down there's this archetype you know that's why i say when you when

00:24:33.380 you read the bible like you know you have to read it in a way where it's alive this is a real event

00:24:39.820 that really took place you're not just reading something of antiquity that has no application

00:24:45.480 that isn't relatable it's like it's super relatable actually like in 2026 we have a meme

00:24:50.540 that talks about women freaking out when you tell them to calm down commutates but god literally

00:24:56.720 told the embodiment of feminine chaos to calm down and it did it's it's kind of an interesting

00:25:03.740 thing that because look i'm a connoisseur of of coal of just low quality uh post i find it very

00:25:13.620 funny and for most of it i'm kind of able to keep a certain amount of distance you know i'm like

00:25:18.600 jane goodall with the the glasses on fascinating it doesn't affect me personally yes but the one

00:25:24.100 that genuinely gets me like just brings outrage in me is the like mainline liberal christianity

00:25:34.440 the kind of like you know david french like you know wheaton college or even the like slightly

00:25:38.820 more uh extreme version of that you know the sort of people that's like doing the kind of rehashed

00:25:44.780 warm over like ah yes in my translation of the bible every time it refers to god it uses feminine 0.98

00:25:50.520 pronouns oh boy like i i just hate you yeah this is so dumb it's so dumb and the reason i brought 0.97

00:25:57.820 that up is one to complain on the internet which is effectively my job and two right when you're 0.98

00:26:03.020 talking about that that kind of you know masculine order feminine chaos it's like well

00:26:07.280 god is order right he is the order of the universe right and so like that is fundamentally

00:26:16.100 like masculine like projecting order upon a chaotic scene and so it's like okay does that

00:26:22.120 mean you know literally we're going to get all like autistic talking about like chromosomes or 0.97

00:26:25.340 whatever no that does not apply but even that seemingly kind of annoying stupid change right 0.95

00:26:31.080 of referring to you know god is masculine or feminine it's like no no that matters more than 0.95

00:26:34.960 just the grammar of it per se. There's a deeper meaning to it. So I want to slightly tilt this,

00:26:43.880 and you mentioned this a little bit earlier, both of you, about this concept, this figure of

00:26:52.080 the Nephilim in scripture. There's one that comes up occasionally, but I don't think everyone in my

00:26:59.680 audience will have heard it. So if you could, obviously, give us a little bit of background

00:27:04.440 on what that is maybe if you could tie it into the name of your show and uh if you want to just

00:27:10.440 go from there we don't actually know the nephilim are the sons of seth not you take it from we have 0.51

00:27:16.960 no fucking idea uh so so the way that it's a great name it's a banger isn't it so um you know i think 0.59

00:27:24.760 on this show we tend to take more of like a michael heiser worldview and michael heiser was a uh like 0.98

00:27:29.260 a theologian and you know he did all these various talks on scripture and one of the things that he

00:27:34.160 really helped clear up for somebody like me was this idea that the Nephilim in particular are the

00:27:40.180 offspring of fallen angels and human women. Now, there is an alternative view. It's called

00:27:46.080 the Sons of Seth view, which is just to say that the sons of God were the sons of Seth,

00:27:53.580 the biblical sons of Seth. Well, to explain that in Genesis 6, when they do mention the Nephilim,

00:28:00.060 It says that the sons of God came in.

00:28:03.860 They saw that the woman, yeah, the daughters of men were fair, and they came into them, and then they begot the Nephilim.

00:28:12.680 So there's like some confusion about the transliteration and the translation of the term sons of God, and that would be beneha Elohim.

00:28:23.500 Like behind me right here, I made a little, it's a little joke, like from, you know, Benny, Benny Hanna, Benny Hanna Elohim kind of idea.

00:28:31.140 But every time that that term is in the Bible, it refers to like these heavenly bodies, these Elohim that exist in a different realm.

00:28:43.820 So Elohim just is a designation of where this entity resides and that would be in the heavens.

00:28:49.180 So God is Elohim. Angels are also Elohim.

00:28:54.040 God is above the angels, but they are of the same sort of classification, meaning like their residence is the same.

00:29:02.400 So, B'nei Ha'lohim is mentioned in the book of Job as well.

00:29:06.100 When he's being tempted, God is sitting with his counsel.

00:29:09.120 It mentions B'nei Ha'lohim, the sons of God.

00:29:12.520 And then Satan comes up and he asks God to, you know, if he can do this and that to Job.

00:29:17.100 And God consents, but can't kill him.

00:29:19.400 So, that term is brought up.

00:29:20.860 So if you're using that definition that comes from Job and that is also mentioned in Genesis 6, that means that the beneha Elohim are angels or fallen angels or this classification of entity, not a human being, not the sons of Seth, which would be the offspring of Adam, if you're following.

00:29:41.820 Do you understand what I'm saying here?

00:29:43.000 okay so uh on that logical conclusion that we draw that means that the beneha elohim came into

00:29:52.640 human woman and procreated created something called the nephilim and then the next verse is

00:29:56.680 like and then they were giants on the earth in those days and after right so therefore the nephilim 0.75

00:30:01.840 are some form of giant but also they have many forms and they they kind of degradate as you go

00:30:08.860 throughout scripture and throughout time they get smaller they change shape and rafaim etc

00:30:14.400 that yeah their name kind of changes uh the more that the bloodline gets watered down

00:30:17.960 but this um when i told you earlier that i came from conspiracy to christianity this was the thing

00:30:26.820 that drew all these pieces of the puzzle together because you imagine if you're looking at

00:30:31.260 conspiracy it's like you've got a bunch of puzzle pieces you're trying to connect to understand

00:30:34.380 things and and christ was always on the table um but there was so much going on that in my

00:30:41.940 naivety i didn't think that the bible actually explained to any meaningful degree

00:30:46.420 once you plug in this idea that there were hybrid offspring what that does it is immediately it

00:30:54.820 pulls in all other mythoses right because if if a nephilim is a hybrid between a fallen angel and a 0.72

00:31:01.480 human and a demigod is a combination of a god and a human and you find out that these angels when

00:31:10.500 they were cast out they took positions of power right powers and principalities they they made

00:31:16.800 themselves rulers over men their offspring did the same thing all of a sudden you start looking

00:31:22.080 at like greek mythology and you go wait a second this is the exact same story right and you look

00:31:27.740 at all these other pantheons what eventually starts happening is you see attributes uh from

00:31:33.820 let's say zeus in other entities that rule over other people of antiquity in particular the sumerian

00:31:41.060 god uh bal hadad is a one for one with zeus it seems to be the exact same character they're even

00:31:48.640 depicted as holding this cluster of lightning bolts they're uh the things that they rule over

00:31:53.560 as far as you know god of storms and things like that exactly the same so when you start doing that

00:31:58.900 you can find a bunch of different characters from a bunch of different pantheons all echoed through

00:32:04.480 different peoples which starts to suggest that there was reality it wasn't just that people of

00:32:09.420 antiquity had a this uh you know notion to anthropomorphize weather events or good crop

00:32:18.500 yields or something like that which is what we typically get right fertility or or things like

00:32:22.740 that it seems they were actually in interaction with some sort of spiritual entity it's just every

00:32:28.640 people group gave them a different name but the real fundamental thing happens when you realize

00:32:34.140 that outside of these pantheons there is a god a god that created them and christianity does a good

00:32:41.620 job of being like yeah god and then this council that's around him these angels that exist some of

00:32:47.720 them fell and made themselves rulers of men had offspring with women that also ruled over mankind 0.96

00:32:54.000 and you're like oh shit man it seems like all of these things are telling the same story 0.97

00:32:58.900 but the bible just tells you the nature of them they are fallen they they're in rebellion against 0.96

00:33:04.620 god and then the other thing that really helped was noah's flood so in the bible i forget what

00:33:13.500 word it uses when it talks about the reason that noah was spared says that noah was perfect in his

00:33:19.740 generations which is like noah was an alcoholic right which i mean you know if you after the

00:33:25.180 flood right if you if you if the world flooded and you know all these things happen you might

00:33:29.340 be an alcoholic too but there was a lot of things that were obviously wrong with noah it wasn't that

00:33:34.740 he was perfect in his behavior or that he was sinless or anything like that being perfect in

00:33:40.220 your generations when you come from a world that was hybridized everything was hybridized right

00:33:48.060 remember you talked about ecclesiastes and ecclesiastes famously says there is nothing

00:33:52.180 new under the sun and it says it a lot throughout that entire book i believe i think that that's

00:33:56.940 true so when you have you know in our world instances of hybridization even just in plant

00:34:03.120 life right there's an idea that one of these fallen gods taught them how to hybridize things

00:34:11.820 if you look at the people of antiquity they'll have a god for metallurgy they'll have a god for

00:34:17.080 agriculture you know they'll have a god for war and things like that there are some of them that

00:34:23.180 have uh a god that taught them domestication of animals and hybridization of plants and so if if

00:34:31.880 that is really what's going on here it looks like you have some precedent for uh hybridization in

00:34:38.180 in the bible you have a precedent for hybridization in greek in sumerian in mayan and aztec in in all

00:34:44.620 these different pantheons and it's possible that noah wasn't like a perfect dude like he was a

00:34:52.440 super good guy he just wasn't hybridized he didn't have some dna fuck up from from intermingling with

00:34:57.960 these with this serpent seed and there are a couple things there one i'm gonna make all of 0.55

00:35:06.100 the like norse bros listening to this really mad but they're probably used to it by now

00:35:09.920 but there's a really interesting link between the kind of pre-christian european pantheon and the

00:35:19.740 uh the basically the pantheon of the hittites who were mentioned all throughout scripture

00:35:26.000 uh obviously even king david's court right you have uriah the hittite and basically this has

00:35:34.080 been verified by kind of modern uh you know modern academics that effectively the hittites were this

00:35:40.000 group that sort of got pushed out of northern europe became kind of mercenaries long tradition

00:35:46.720 right even down to the beringian garden stuff like that absorbed culture from the near east and then

00:35:52.620 came back because the pre and post kind of hittite gods in that area are the very very old

00:35:58.880 european gods are basically animists you know it's like a bird a tree right up to this kind of

00:36:05.040 developed pantheon just an interesting note there but also to that point that idea of

00:36:10.960 kind of the supernatural one of the most radicalizing things for me was this sort of

00:36:17.380 slow creep creeping realization that like there is something to the occult like it works in a way

00:36:24.460 yeah and of course your conclusion is well if it works well what does that mean right if evil works

00:36:32.100 if there's some sort of mechanism that works out of just side just the kind of like normal you know

00:36:36.920 people getting together it's like well what does that mean right what's the opposite side of that

00:36:42.740 coin and i think back to you know what the conquistadors wrote about when they came to

00:36:47.640 mexico yeah you know what they found these kind of like rooms caked in blood these like crazy

00:36:52.580 atavistic rituals and you're like well okay like that's air that's like air gapped you know there

00:36:58.780 wasn't it's not like you can blame that on europe or blame that on you know ostensibly this kind of

00:37:03.900 civilization that sprang out of the fertile crescent that's its own thing and if it's still

00:37:08.300 there if it's producing that if according to the people that lived there it actually did change the

00:37:14.080 weather it actually did produce some sort of power yeah like well wait a minute here what's

00:37:20.260 that mean you know it's just everyone other than us you know horribly i mean i guess you'd say

00:37:26.460 superstitious or is there kind of a hidden order to the world and obviously you know i'm not saying

00:37:33.900 we should all start you know throwing virgins covered in jade into like the look like the

00:37:38.080 nearest sinkhole but like you start to look at this and you're like this is too universal to

00:37:43.780 simply be like an accident of evolution sorry david well so i mean you know god says not to

00:37:49.880 take any other gods before him not because they they don't exist right it's because they do exist

00:37:55.160 but that's that's a false god you were talking about these kill rooms effectively right when

00:38:00.000 the conquistadors showed up i think the the aztecs were they had decapitated somewhere north of

00:38:07.720 10 000 people we're dealing with like women and children i think it's fascinating on a mountain

00:38:13.040 yeah if you and on a high place right if you look at it right now you have like the the whole epstein

00:38:18.980 situation there seems to be some ritual sacrifice going on there it never stopped it just kind of

00:38:23.640 went behind the curtain um but you you do see this in in the music industry it used to be more

00:38:31.700 obscured now it's pretty out in the open you have this uh azalea banks this is actually all the way

00:38:36.740 back in 2016 azalea banks is a is a singer and she does it openly like on her tiktok or whatever

00:38:44.040 she's like yeah come and check out my kill closet and it's it's just a closet caked in chicken blood 0.99

00:38:51.020 chicken blood chicken shit and chicken feathers and she's just like sanding it down she's grinding 0.94

00:38:55.580 it off uh with with a sander and um go ahead dude look at uh i've been on a long we're probably up 0.97

00:39:05.440 to 20 some episodes with you know thomas who we mentioned earlier talking about the occult yeah

00:39:10.760 primarily through in talking about the kind of 20th century serial killers right guys like richard

00:39:15.920 ramirez the son of sam stuff which is way more interesting than i would have thought but look at

00:39:21.860 jimmy saddle yeah right this actual occultist i mean you don't need to go particularly deep to 0.61

00:39:27.080 figure out the symbology and in addition to being this kind of crazy monster you know who's molesting

00:39:32.940 corpses and you know doing all kinds of epstein stuff oh he's a self-reclaimed occultist and

00:39:38.740 operates as this sort of gatekeeping figure you know running top of the pops which is like mtv

00:39:44.260 before mtv yeah and again like it's initially on first viewing it it makes you sound like you're

00:39:51.940 wearing a tinfoil hat but you dig even half a layer down you're like all right there's something

00:39:56.060 to this but sorry i've now interrupted you twice no no please please do this is good points when

00:40:00.560 you come on our show uh we that's what we're gonna do to you oh yeah constantly it's actually

00:40:05.400 to the detriment of the listener um well i mean that works out because i've been planning how i

00:40:11.280 i check out and i'm really thinking large live stream buckshot through the back yeah that's

00:40:17.700 for some kind of like minor inconvenience like you step on one of my words you know be like oh

00:40:22.740 how dare you you know really get all flustered and then just live on air before you do it though

00:40:27.620 you have to like throw a hand signal and then do it yeah and just leave people spiraling naruto

00:40:33.420 jutsus exactly so so um i wonder what we would do like i think you know what we're professionals

00:40:41.380 yeah we also do this full time yeah oh it will be posted i mean we might blur you out but like

00:40:46.120 we'll continue the show we've got to fill an hour and a half i think what we would do is we would

00:40:49.600 pay people to dress in like fed suits come in and then yeah just buckshot us in the face and then

00:40:55.620 you know do the finger to the ear and be like we got him and then just step off and that's it just 0.95

00:41:00.160 kill this dream think about how upset the the dozens of autistic men watching would be oh yeah 0.62

00:41:05.220 there's a lot more than that uh so there's about a dozen autistic just right outside this door 0.98

00:41:11.300 they've been banging there's a dog in a diaper there is a dog in a diaper god bless that dog 0.89

00:41:14.960 um so you i like how you're like i'll roll with the bit about blowing your brains out live oh 0.64

00:41:21.460 yeah i thought we were planning something i can't how dare you sir this is a respectable 0.99

00:41:28.200 Don't fucking insult my audience. 0.94

00:41:30.300 There's at least 100 people watching this. 0.99

00:41:32.700 So, you know that meme 6-7 that all the kids are doing for a while?

00:41:37.500 That comes from a guy, what the hell is his name? 0.94

00:41:40.600 It doesn't matter, Sizzla or some shit like that? 1.00

00:41:42.560 Some nigga. 1.00

00:41:44.460 Hey, hey, hey, don't say that. 1.00

00:41:45.860 Careful there.

00:41:46.520 It's not Christlike.

00:41:47.780 What he does is, you know, he's got this whole album.

00:41:50.780 It's super occult.

00:41:52.980 And, you know, the 6-7 thing goes super viral,

00:41:56.480 and kids are doing it all over the world.

00:41:57.700 They don't know why the hell they're doing it. And I'm not thinking that that necessarily is nefarious.

00:42:01.920 People will try to connect six and seven to some sort of occult origins. I'm not here to do that.

00:42:06.100 What I will say is you can just look up an interview with the guy and he's openly practicing.

00:42:12.220 You know, he considers himself a Santos, which is a practitioner of Santeria or Santa Muerte. 0.55

00:42:17.860 and that's just uh you you have a bunch of haitian mostly haitian african gods uh demons if you're

00:42:27.800 christian and they have hidden themselves among the catholic for lack of a better term uh pantheon

00:42:34.120 all the saints the saints right uh so basically it was a survival mechanism uh they converted to

00:42:41.020 catholicism but they avoided persecution by doing that if you look at uh p diddy's back piece he has

00:42:46.180 Eliza Danter, which is just like another replication of the Virgin Mary, but within 0.68

00:42:54.260 this Haitian voodoo. It's a voodoo goddess. It takes up his entire back. So again, like you're 0.99

00:42:58.840 saying, it's constantly peeking out and showing its face everywhere. That guy, though, if you look

00:43:03.980 up the interview with him, he's telling you that he sacrifices chickens, he sacrifices goats,

00:43:09.860 you know, all these different animals. I'm sure there's a lot that he's not going to say that he

00:43:14.120 sacrifices but it's interesting because here we are in 2026 i think you know 2020 did a real good

00:43:20.100 job of waking people up and getting them to be more uh scrutinizing of what's going on on the

00:43:24.440 world stage and we're now very comfortable with like yeah i mean like there was the kind of the

00:43:30.360 80s metal satanism aspect that was done almost ironically which i think is kind of the door that

00:43:37.440 it slipped into now it's not done ironically these artists are telling us that they they

00:43:42.740 sacrifice animals and you could turn your nose up at that if you want um but you look at them

00:43:48.500 as you wage slave they're sitting here driving you know three-door bugattis what is it uh three

00:43:53.700 three-seater mclarens yeah you know so uh um something interesting too that you just reminded

00:43:58.640 me of that like uh the sort of satanic panic back in the day with uh these these metal bands

00:44:03.860 um man uh stairway to heaven so led zeppelin that song i i remember hearing i think robert

00:44:12.220 plant said that that song usually when you write a song i play guitar and when you write a song

00:44:17.780 it's going to come in parts you'll have maybe a melody and you'll put that to some chords or

00:44:22.340 whatever it is however it comes comes together for that person but specifically stairway to heaven

00:44:27.400 he said that was like sat down wrote the entire song didn't change a thing the only thing that

00:44:32.160 was changed after was probably uh like the guitar solo which is obviously iconic afterward uh that

00:44:38.800 was you know put together but the entire song as it is lyrics down to the that very famous riff

00:44:45.200 was all just it was like almost like a download so these guys are they're doing a thing and they're

00:44:51.180 receiving information and this is just nothing new this leads us back to the idea of what the

00:44:55.580 Nephilim are or were or still currently what they're currently doing yeah and they were uh

00:45:02.240 the idea is that they took the human wives uh they took the human woman as wives and then 0.92

00:45:08.420 in that time frame there would have been something that would be like a dowry so if you were a human

00:45:13.940 being maybe you trade some goats and you get the girl and now you're married into the family 0.68

00:45:19.380 because that's like more of a i don't know i guess rape or sex is like kind of diminishing in this

00:45:26.280 idea it's it's more of like a legalistic practice along with the reproduction so there's like a

00:45:31.700 there was a consent to it if that makes any sense and uh what some people say you know a friend

00:45:37.720 timothy alberino would say that they were there was a trade-off here and the book of enoch mentions

00:45:42.240 that these fallen entities were giving humans knowledge whether it be metallurgy or glamour

00:45:49.720 of the face or agriculture things like that that's what was being traded off and it's it's just the

00:45:55.640 same exact thing today. We are doing these sacrifices where whether they're chickens,

00:46:02.520 people, or just whatever you're worshiping, you're giving a sacrifice to a thing.

00:46:07.560 And oftentimes it'll come back as some sort of a download all at once and then boom.

00:46:12.460 My favorite example of that, by the way, Jay, is there's a Rolling Stones article

00:46:17.900 uh back in 2000 and it's about carlos santana and carlos santana in that uh in that interview

00:46:26.300 famously says that he credits his you know uh his music and his career well his idea carlos

00:46:34.200 santana's entire idea before he was like successful was taking the minor pentatonic

00:46:38.900 scale and i think he's just using it in a friggin mode over a pop music so it's just like one note

00:46:44.320 that's flattened and that's like his entire personality you can hear his music when he's

00:46:48.920 when he's oh yeah you know his his music yeah yeah uh but he he attributes his success to

00:46:53.800 metatron yeah just outright says just says in a rolling stone article metatron is an angel it

00:47:00.240 gets a little bit screwy because it might be a fallen angel and if you go a little bit further

00:47:04.060 people think that metatron is actually enoch from the book of enoch because in the third book of

00:47:09.420 enoch um which is you know it's it's kind of kabbalistic yeah it's non-canonical and beyond

00:47:16.120 the first one things get really screwy and you know it basically says enoch turns into metatron

00:47:22.180 so then i guess you could surmise that carlos santana is channeling enoch who turns into an

00:47:29.020 angel but this is a guy who's like you know you once again scoff at that look at his career

00:47:33.980 you know it's interesting because i will say that in the music industry and in in hollywood 0.75

00:47:40.900 if you're schizophrenic you're going to crush but if you're just like a poor schizophrenic person 0.92

00:47:45.900 your life is going to be miserable so a couple things sorry i was furiously typing trying to 0.96

00:47:51.840 find my uh pdf of this it's somewhere on this computer i don't know have you all ever done

00:47:57.020 gone through the book uh lords of chaos no so it's basically a history of occultism in

00:48:06.480 mostly metal music so for instance there's a large part talking about the interactions between

00:48:12.780 uh obviously black sabbath which is they were more dabbling you know it was just kind of in

00:48:20.560 the air in the 70s yeah but led zeppelin were connected to you know to crowley explicitly as

00:48:26.240 well as others and then also a full deep dive on their norwegian black metal scene so guys like

00:48:32.080 varg you know the the murders connected right to all of that the church burnings it's it's super

00:48:39.800 fascinating stuff and it reminds me a lot of have you all ever gone down the rabbit hole of like

00:48:46.260 horror core and memphis rap before uh memphis rap is that the i i think it might be the same thing

00:48:51.500 that i call like halloween rap yeah yeah basically it sounds like rap yeah for halloween

00:48:57.560 it's a strange genre yeah but a lot of this like the the biggest acts of kind of the first wave

00:49:04.060 would be like three six mafia stuff like that sure yeah figure where they got that name from

00:49:07.900 there's a bunch of other i can never remember the name of this guy was gary something or whatever

00:49:12.580 but it was heavily a cult heavily it was influential because it was sort of the first

00:49:18.260 guys to do a lot of sampling in that way just due to you know kind of advances in like commercial

00:49:23.220 audio equipment but they have a bunch of really interesting ideas obviously heavily occult like

00:49:28.760 if you know the symbology you'll pick up on on sigils yeah but then this idea of the soul tape

00:49:34.220 which is basically they make a mixtape they're not finished with it yet and they kill someone

00:49:40.180 and then they finish it the same day so basically the idea is that you're trapping their soul

00:49:45.360 inside the mixtape uh whoa can i interrupt for a second jay cole only like over the last two or

00:49:52.120 three years got in some trouble because part of what he was using in in a sampled beat uh was

00:49:58.480 the murder of somebody and that kind of got like you know he said i didn't know that i got the beat

00:50:03.780 i had no idea and then that kind of got swept under the rug and it went away but like yeah dude

00:50:08.280 i'm sure that's super prevalent i mean if you just think about pompous musical producers and 0.92

00:50:15.160 assholes that are you know super um egotistical within the music industry of course somebody's 0.94

00:50:21.380 gotten to that like what's the epitome of art dude what if we made music out of somebody dying 0.99

00:50:26.420 like yeah that's happened it probably happens a lot well speaking of other rabbit holes have

00:50:31.700 you all ever gone down the uh john wayne gacy conspiracy theories that effectively he was

00:50:37.900 operating as part of a like a wider snuff film ring oh i wasn't no i'm not aware of that no what

00:50:43.220 what we do look at go yeah go ahead tell us about that but i'll tell you a little bit about john

00:50:48.200 wayne gacy that was something that we think about him but go ahead so there are just some weird

00:50:53.900 things that don't quite add up about his story right one the amount of victims how they were

00:50:59.700 stored the idea that you know this is one single guy acting on his own the fact that there were i

00:51:04.960 think 17 or 18 sets of keys to his own house right many of there were many others extant

00:51:11.000 and you have this sort of repeat similar to kind of the epstein stuff where you see echoes of it

00:51:16.040 over and over again where throughout the 70s and 80s like there was another killer out of i think

00:51:21.300 dallas fort worth uh that was basically operating a ring like this worked very very similar to gacy

00:51:28.040 he got busted because he was bringing in uh accomplices to help but you look at that you

00:51:33.580 look at the Dutro affair out of Belgium, which was covered by Martyrmaid in his series on Epstein

00:51:38.680 five, six years ago. But again, going back to this idea of the actual way the occult works,

00:51:45.640 you're like, wait a minute, this same sort of ritual, if we can torture that word, is repeated

00:51:50.100 over and over and over again. We see that pattern. And you look at it and you're like, okay,

00:51:55.240 this fits 80% of it. There are things about this story that don't make sense.

00:51:59.840 i've seen this before i don't know just an interesting thing on that but sorry to your

00:52:04.920 point about you know the the musical side of it even if it is simply just the like pretentious

00:52:09.480 art school like i want to do something shocking it's like yeah of course setting aside even the

00:52:14.540 kind of like the commercial or the like ritualistic significance of it yeah and i mean even so the

00:52:20.040 underbelly is usually always the same and that's what you're describing there's this weird

00:52:23.160 ritualistic almost like uh i guess you know it's a conspiracy of more than one more than one person

00:52:28.740 are are taking taking part in in in the uh the act of this thing especially with john wayne gacy

00:52:34.720 i wasn't aware of that but um he's one of the guys that we we look at because of what he what

00:52:40.900 he symbolizes and he's dressed as a clown as he's committing these murders and uh a lot of times

00:52:47.620 well most times when these people are channeling entities or calling something in they're usually

00:52:52.680 dressing up as what the entity would represent itself as so like in the dmt realm you'll have

00:52:59.500 these jester-like figures and uh they all kind of i mean this it's going to sound bombastic but

00:53:06.140 there's a lot of evidence behind it but they they kind of look like clowns and when you study the

00:53:11.380 clown and you study like where it came from you kind of you you find occult leanings and that

00:53:19.180 also does lead i it leads back to the nephilim i i don't want to be the guy that that's like 0.86

00:53:24.240 everything is nephilim but it it kind of it kind of is i'm i'm going through uh paul stop's theory

00:53:31.300 on oh yeah because we were just on john wayne gacy here yeah yeah yeah um so by the way i was

00:53:39.160 listening to something with my my wife the other day right and it's uh on long drives she'll read

00:53:45.280 like reddit stories to us um you know if the ride is over an hour and he's going through

00:53:51.460 somebody's encounter with some sort of spiritual entity that he saw when he was a kid and then he

00:53:56.540 and then his kid ended up seeing it and so when he's a kid he sees this thing all the time

00:54:02.220 it's got an impossibly wide smile and it's uh its face is like painted white he said it looked like

00:54:09.400 it was like caked on white um like unnaturally white and he said because of this he had this big

00:54:15.680 fear of clowns one thing leads to another he gets a little bit older he hasn't seen the thing in a

00:54:20.500 long time he ends up bringing it up to his sister and his sister confesses to him they're adults now

00:54:25.400 that she has seen this thing before and i forget by the way what they did about it i think they

00:54:29.560 they spread some sage around or some shit about i'm going oh my god and then eventually you know

00:54:35.720 he gets older he has a kid and his son is telling him you know in this spree of night 0.89

00:54:41.260 terrors that he has he's finally able to describe like this monster that he's seeing and it's got

00:54:44.380 an impossibly wide smile with a lot of teeth and its face is like painted white it's like yeah

00:54:49.720 there's something about this this spiritual entity these demonic entities that will have

00:54:55.200 over exaggerated features that um it seems that the visage of the clown is actually an attempt

00:55:03.300 at mirroring that and people will will go i don't think that that's true but there's actually a guy

00:55:08.520 that's responsible for the modern day visage of a clown he's a freemason he worked in the i don't

00:55:13.740 know if it was barnum and bailey but he worked in the circus when the circus was at its height

00:55:18.020 like when america was actually enamored by the circus it was kind of a big deal because

00:55:21.560 you know we didn't have tiktok or something like that to scroll mindlessly through and

00:55:25.920 there was a real early image of what a clown was and i think it had something to do actually with

00:55:31.820 like a hairy man it's like doesn't look like what it looks like now now all of a sudden there's this

00:55:38.680 iconic image it was created by this freemason who worked you know alongside the circus so

00:55:43.540 you know you're left to speculate why the pivot and why this image in particular but there's so

00:55:49.120 much about it that you can connect to these spirits that people see yeah um well one of them

00:55:54.780 being the pale white skin on a clown that's something that you're going to see all the time

00:55:58.300 And biblically, in the Book of Enoch as well, when the Nephilim are described, they have pale white skin.

00:56:04.900 A lot of the Nephilim are also described as having like a shock of red hair, two rows of teeth, six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot.

00:56:14.560 Also being giants.

00:56:15.780 Yeah, also being big.

00:56:18.520 So, you know, you have the gloves. 0.85

00:56:20.500 You have the gloves on the clown. 0.81

00:56:21.560 You have the large feet to cover the six toes. 0.83

00:56:23.520 You have this elongated smile with usually like red lips around it, and that's to symbolize the cannibalistic nature of the Nephilim or the giant at the time. 0.65

00:56:36.060 You have the red hair, obviously.

00:56:39.080 They even go as far as having sometimes like this slit over the eye here.

00:56:44.860 Like it'll have like the two – what would you call that?

00:56:47.000 it's like a burst um they'll take the makeup and they'll make like this long slit that crosses from

00:56:54.180 down the forehead you know over the eye and the idea is that is to we're dealing with something

00:56:59.400 that is considered the serpent seed right so you have this reptilian eye uh that they're doing for

00:57:06.340 dramatic effect this is all these even the frill like a neck frill like points back to this weird

00:57:11.500 like reptilian aspect of whatever these things may have been or were representing themselves as

00:57:18.000 it gets really bizarre and it gets even crazy when you look at a certain ancient like uh not

00:57:23.080 even ancient like modern african tribes oh yeah they have they have their shamanistic rituals 0.97

00:57:28.040 and they'll dress up like they look like fucking clowns yeah the wooden masks oftentimes look like 0.98

00:57:32.980 clowns and the purpose of what they're doing is they're trying to they're they're taking some sort 0.99

00:57:37.740 of a drug. They're going through a ceremony. There's music in the same way, like you have 1.00

00:57:42.580 binaural beats that kind of sync the hemispheres of the brain. You're getting into this trance

00:57:46.760 state. And the idea is you dress like the spirit that you want to come. So if you're trying to

00:57:52.660 evoke a spirit, dressing like it is something that they commonly do. Well, it's interesting

00:57:58.200 you bring up the EDMR and the binaural beats. I can't remember which. I want to say it's ketamine,

00:58:04.860 but ketamine produces a very similar kind of marriage of the hemispheres of the brain

00:58:10.000 and also it's edmr therapy right if y'all are familiar with that yeah it's this sort of like

00:58:15.820 trauma therapy where you're kind of inducing that behavior through kind of like flashing lights

00:58:21.520 and you start to look at that you look at the kind of like you know ritual aspects of like

00:58:27.020 you know a concert or music and then like if you want to really get tin full hat like are you all

00:58:33.120 familiar with like uh this is such a weird thing to bring up on a podcast but like the the whole

00:58:38.260 sissy hypno thing i'm sorry sissy hypno no i don't know pardon me this is actually real it became

00:58:43.760 kind of a joke but basically so i became aware of this or do you guys know who chris chan is

00:58:50.960 yeah yeah so like 10 years ago this mentally unwill man was you know going through you know

00:59:00.580 youtube or whatever looking for binaural beats to turn him into a woman right where it's this sort

00:59:05.820 of like you know playing with that kind of hemisphere relationship i don't know yeah that's

00:59:11.900 a good way to put it yeah and so you're like okay that's weird kooky this is a you know an internet

00:59:16.960 nutcase but then like four or five years later you started to hear all this stuff about you know guys

00:59:22.660 trooning out right they get sucked down a weird rabbit hole in the internet yeah and then all of

00:59:26.640 a sudden they think they're a woman. Well, one of the sort of search terms associated with this,

00:59:32.380 this idea of sissy hypnosis, right? Like it's pornography that basically is designed to

00:59:36.580 reprogram you into thinking you're a woman. Wow. And so that's weird, you know, like, okay, well, 0.99

00:59:43.120 you know, whatever people have always been into weird stuff. And you're like, wait a minute,

00:59:46.680 why is this using EDMR therapy, right? Why is it actually in the production of that they are using

00:59:53.500 basically binaural beats using the same kind of flashing light and you're like okay this is way

01:00:00.640 too high concept to just be like some guy trying to make a buck in eastern europe whoa wait wait 0.96

01:00:07.480 that's like a government op shit i mean you're saying this goes deep man there's there's 1.00

01:00:11.820 pornography that's of the i what you kind of say it's like gay right is there an oral aspect to it 0.99

01:00:18.120 not oral but uh like yeah so it's basically this in the same way right it's designed for

01:00:24.840 like in the same way that edmr therapy or ketamine is basically to kind of remap your brain

01:00:32.280 and so this comes up over and over and over again like one of the most disturbing uh yet important

01:00:39.000 things on the internet is uh josh moon over at kiwi farms right the guy who runs that website

01:00:44.760 And the thing that he's taken heat for more than anything else is not, you know, people's

01:00:49.800 docs is, is not information they don't want out there.

01:00:52.800 They will, if you think that's ethical or not, he's, you know, full free speech.

01:00:56.360 But the most visited tab on that entire website is, I think it's called like trans regret

01:01:01.860 or something like that.

01:01:02.960 Oh, wow.

01:01:03.580 And it's basically guys that have gone through the surgery, gone through everything and realized

01:01:08.240 they've ruined their lives.

01:01:09.380 Yeah.

01:01:09.840 You know, and so it's just like hundreds of these guys basically saying like, don't do

01:01:13.700 it.

01:01:13.860 Don't do it.

01:01:14.300 don't do it as you can imagine people don't want that on the internet but when they're talking

01:01:19.320 about like hey look how do you end up here right how do you go from being a guy to someone with 0.81

01:01:24.540 like a uh a hole in your body a mussy that elegantly phrased uh i don't think that one's 0.62

01:01:33.740 gonna get you flagged for anything i think that's like that's a word we made up mussy still safe

01:01:37.720 okay i'm pretty sure mussy still safe well not for don't no no no no no that's not to be conflated 1.00

01:01:42.540 with have a mussy it's complicated put your penis in that yeah yeah yeah it depends on your 0.99

01:01:47.560 definition of safe right yeah but you hear this over and over again there's this like self 1.00

01:01:52.380 radicalization right that basically it's like you know you you get into some stuff you get a little

01:01:57.560 further and then all of a sudden you're basically like literally reprogramming your brain in real

01:02:03.460 time and you're syncing that with a massive serotonin dump right yeah when you and you're

01:02:09.640 like oh wait a minute this is basically like and you were mk altering yourself yeah well at the

01:02:15.300 bare minimum you're doing a reward system right even if you don't break it down in the chemical

01:02:19.820 i mean you reward a dog for good behavior with a treat we're very similar in that way i do x i get

01:02:28.320 y right and so you're you're rewarded the end is as you said this serotonin dump but are you saying

01:02:33.520 that these guys in these you know these like detransitioning spaces are saying a lot of them

01:02:40.740 are subjected to this this binaural beads yes this is massively massively popular really uh weirdly

01:02:47.520 the the one of the places i found out about it he's kind of a bizarre character uh but uh neema

01:02:54.660 parveni like an academic uh basically did this whole deep dive on this like four or five years

01:02:59.620 ago you can just look it up just academic agent sissy hypno uh and he is not at all religious

01:03:05.660 not at all particularly conspiratorial but he got super freaked out and then knowing you know

01:03:11.300 some people who've gone through edmr have gone through ketamine therapy basically how that works

01:03:15.760 and then we'll tie this in see this is a professional podcast you look at that and

01:03:21.100 you're like wait a minute what deity is associated with this sort of mangled half man half woman 0.76

01:03:29.620 right what right the ritual destruction of your genitals go back to you know mesoamerica yep and 0.98

01:03:38.440 you start to you kind of all these things fall together and you're like oh no nothing new under 0.96

01:03:44.660 the sun nothing new under the sun the crazy thing is that that's what you're describing is the

01:03:48.600 mechanism and i mean i i was a i was partially aware of of that phenomenon but i don't know man

01:03:55.380 i don't know what is it sissy hypno it just it never continues it never ceases to surprise me

01:04:01.780 like the levels in which that they'll go but this idea of binaural beats yeah it's big in the ufo 0.79

01:04:07.520 community now which we're kind of like we're about to disclose some crazy shit but binaural beats c5

01:04:13.680 it's basically when you play two close frequencies and they are so close together that the brain

01:04:20.800 perceives it as something completely different so it's almost like an illusion and that's what's

01:04:25.680 happening when you're you're doing uh when you're binaural beat downing yourself when you're doing

01:04:29.800 ce5 so it's like there's a level of suggestibility and i think where it ties into the mk ultra stuff

01:04:38.000 is that it brings forth a personality within you that wasn't there before there's a there's a third

01:04:45.540 you understand it's like so there's there are two and then they're suggesting to you that there

01:04:49.880 should be a third brought forth and for some reason this could make you trans yeah this can 0.97

01:04:55.420 put you in contact with entities can make you a maturian candidate can make you fucking call down 0.96

01:04:59.900 ufos this can make you schizophrenic you name it i think that all those things are correlated 0.83

01:05:04.920 because effectively what it's doing is it's putting you in tune a disassociate well you're

01:05:10.680 in a disassociative state you're in a disassociative state but you're well and and what

01:05:15.720 is one of the most often the kind of most typical symptoms of either you know childhood sexual abuse

01:05:23.640 extreme overexposure yeah to sex and violence it's a disassociative state yep and it's like okay

01:05:30.080 you're disassociated your soul your mind is out of your body you've basically blown your brain

01:05:35.580 apart and it's like well who comes in exactly like you read less wexner right you may remember him

01:05:42.600 from uh you know from from jeffrey epstein fame yep when he's talking to new york magazine in the

01:05:47.740 80s basically talks about like he got abused as a kid he didn't say sexually but just like you know

01:05:52.620 you had a tough upbringing you can kind of read between the lines if you want and you know working

01:05:57.080 in his dad's dead-end clothing store then all of a sudden he's getting a dibioc right the the demon

01:06:03.400 in his head yeah who tells him all these great ideas tells him how to make money yep and you're

01:06:07.560 like well that's weird that would be weird if anyone said that particularly you and like the

01:06:12.220 gossip column of a minor magazine it's crazy where they'll say these things and what's even

01:06:17.520 crazier is that i think he he encounters and he invites this deep book deep book however you say

01:06:23.000 the demon he invites this thing in as he's uh climbing a mountain so again you have this like

01:06:27.760 concept uh this motif of like in the high place this is where these things these entities reside

01:06:32.460 you know shout out visit mount herman right behind your head there yeah or make an aztec temple climb

01:06:37.060 to the top of it and then sacrifice people to your god yeah there's a there's a through line

01:06:40.960 going back to even going back to kings right when uh elijah calls down you know fire where are they

01:06:46.840 they're in a high place yeah yeah that's where the the ten commandments are received and it's

01:06:52.740 actually it's funny because uh we're on this like i mean we can go so many different ways with this

01:06:57.400 uh the binaural beats thing or this aspect of frequency and we've done we've done a ton of work 0.89

01:07:02.560 on this like even though the show seems kind of retarded it is yeah it is um do you want to do 0.92

01:07:09.020 you want to tell them about uh um like the telepathy tape stuff or do you want to go into 0.90

01:07:14.160 alien disclosure because like it's kind of almost uh one and one for one two different stories but

01:07:19.460 it's very similar well all right so i think that um earlier when we talked about these entities

01:07:24.540 imparting knowledge whether it's of agriculture or other things you know and i don't think i think

01:07:29.800 music is another one or or great works of art you know they'll attribute it to the muses i think

01:07:34.120 technology is no exception um and i think a lot of the technology that we have pioneered that is

01:07:41.020 utilized in uh operations like mk ultra and things like that are frequency-based technology you know

01:07:47.400 binaural beats the ce5 app like we said although uh within that within mk ultra and within these uh

01:07:53.940 these techniques that they use like they're you know they're not gonna not use satanic ritual

01:07:58.900 abuse they're not gonna not use sexual abuse yeah they're not gonna not bf them yeah these are like

01:08:04.000 ways there there are many ways to get the same thing and and what they're trying a lot of ways

01:08:10.060 to skin a cat or ultimately what they're trying to do is create a disassociative state within a

01:08:14.860 person um i mean it's the the younger the better i think it's more than just a disassociative state

01:08:19.600 though i think so the trauma does allow for uh possession or oppression but i think that the

01:08:24.880 brain is a frequency conductor of sorts and that if you can alter the brain chemistry you can alter

01:08:30.400 what frequency it's perceiving and so i think that while the trauma does allow access you could

01:08:36.380 amplify like for example in in alien abductions or in the tooth implant in the case of lucille ball

01:08:43.280 and we'll get into a little bit of that but there was a real effort so in the alien abduction

01:08:49.020 phenomenon it's a big mystery but they're left with implants i think those implants are frequency

01:08:52.640 conducting implants that allow it facilitates the communication between the abductee and the

01:08:58.020 abductor uh to a degree that wouldn't be as potent if it wasn't for the implant but i do and again

01:09:03.160 take it out of the woo for your audience that may be listening uh you know these alien abductions

01:09:08.580 may be aliens they also may be government abductions i mean from the the scope of of

01:09:14.240 interviews that we've done and and testimony that we've read from different people they'll say i

01:09:19.200 don't know there was a there was an insecticide with a a cape and a tall collar and behind him

01:09:24.460 was a government worker with a pad and there was a military official up in the corner or i was like

01:09:29.180 in an underground facility somewhere so it's like that is constantly coming up you can throw a lot

01:09:33.920 of that out but we have to consider some of these things but i think that i mean to that point right

01:09:38.520 and just a brief interjection obviously the the mk ultra stuff that got that gets the headlines

01:09:44.640 is the mind control sure but mk ultra is a pretty expansive program they just released and by just

01:09:50.780 i mean the last five years uh a description of all of the different sub programs and they run

01:09:56.500 the gamut from just like a whole bunch of stuff with poison you know just like i don't know figure

01:10:00.360 this out uh interviewing a bunch of like hungarian expats to figure out what's going on there

01:10:05.020 and then on the other end you have basically uh seeing if they could cure anxiety disorders

01:10:11.440 by strapping a guy down to a table for 30 days playing do not be anxious over a loudspeaker and

01:10:17.760 giving him like a medically inadvisable dose of acid that's a great one actually okay if if you're

01:10:23.500 on the other end of that if you're maybe a little bit neurotic you you haven't slept you've been on

01:10:27.720 acid for a month and you've just heard a mechanical voice telling you not to be anxious i don't know

01:10:33.440 what that feels like but it's probably pretty close to an alien oh yeah well that's what i'm 0.99

01:10:37.980 saying i think that there is a huge number one i think aliens are are fake and gay and so some of

01:10:43.220 the audience that hears that might go like what do you mean there's real there are real things 0.91

01:10:47.020 happening there is a physical aspect to this there seems to be a phenomenon that takes place

01:10:51.360 where like the individual never actually goes anywhere in a physical realm but perceives going

01:10:55.160 somewhere and what you might call you know an astral or spiritual realm i think that much of

01:10:59.940 this is a cover for mk ultra adjacent programs but i still think that at the root of it it is

01:11:07.040 inherently demonic because i think that the techniques and the technology and the motives

01:11:12.300 behind these things they supersede human motives and these are things that are channeled over and

01:11:18.400 over again these things are are typically um you know within the the new age movement you'll find

01:11:23.960 that all the new age thought leaders channeled these things you go into some of these big

01:11:27.640 technological developments they were developed by way of channeling you go into the music cern is 0.99

01:11:32.520 doing mock sacrifices to shiva the goddess of destruction you're like what the fuck are you 0.90

01:11:35.980 guys that's just for funsies you know but so i do think that there is a real demonic element to it 0.98

01:11:41.840 And I do think that the alien phenomenon, as we perceive it, has really been facilitated by 80 years of Hollywood propaganda.

01:11:50.220 You know, if anybody is being really honest with themselves, even if you had an experience, an abduction experience, which is not really all that uncommon, you still have to square with the fact that the vast majority of your idea of what these things are, where they might come from, what sorts of – it comes from Hollywood, right?

01:12:11.440 So that's really where our two modalities are coming from.

01:12:13.960 It's abductee testimony and Hollywood.

01:12:17.940 And you see that with the whole, you know, man, men who stare at goats movie.

01:12:22.240 Yeah.

01:12:22.920 Right.

01:12:23.580 Where it's like, okay, yeah, sure.

01:12:25.340 That's a comedy movie.

01:12:26.460 It wasn't very good, but also like that sure is a convenient thing that that is released

01:12:31.740 shortly before all the project searchlight stuff was dropped where you're like, well,

01:12:36.000 if this was just a joke, if this was just a crazy idea that they cooked up with an unlimited

01:12:39.600 budget uh why do you guys keep doing it for 40 years you know like how was how are you finding

01:12:47.440 downed pilots in afghanistan and then you in the most recent news you hear you read the thing about

01:12:53.660 like oh we found this pilot in iran uh because of a magic heartbeat satellite and you're like

01:12:59.760 or i don't know the the whole like esp thing you guys admitted you were doing yeah remote viewing

01:13:05.100 you stopped doing it's like i don't know man maybe that's related i don't have a smoking gun

01:13:09.260 on that front but like there by the way there might be some people that listen to your show

01:13:14.360 and that have had i know it's the case on our show because we deal with specifically crazy people but

01:13:19.180 if there's anybody out there who has had experiences with any of these things and they

01:13:24.020 think that they're real so a lot of the times these things i'm talking about an alien abduction 0.93

01:13:28.340 experiences they'll tell them shit like um number one that they're chosen in their special you know 0.79

01:13:33.680 that they're a star seed that they were sent here to help in fact the running narrative is you were 0.95

01:13:39.100 sent here to help raise the frequency the vibrational frequency of earth because earth

01:13:44.700 needs to ascend as not only a planet but also as a people um it's a it's just basically new age

01:13:50.320 ideology and then usually that will be paired with some sort of like ecological message or oh

01:13:55.460 yeah there's a coming calamity and if you don't go out and evangelize on behalf of you know this

01:14:00.580 messenger um you might risk a pole shift as you know so but but the thing is before it was ever

01:14:07.300 a magnetic pole shift and before it was ever nuclear war which you're looking at iran and

01:14:11.680 israel and you go maybe um it was like climate change and shit and that just never came to pass

01:14:17.880 these things always have the same mo they take the individual um if there's any message imparted 0.87

01:14:23.380 you are special you have a job to do if you don't disaster ensues and and mankind fails

01:14:30.160 and that disaster has always changed it's been uh pollution right we were going to destroy our

01:14:36.960 planet by way of pollution it's been and this is going back as far as like the 70s and 80s

01:14:41.680 um it's been climate change that was going to lead to you know all kinds of uh massive floods and all 0.94

01:14:49.820 this shit tidal waves a great tidal wave people will often get that one nuclear war nuclear war 0.93

01:14:55.320 is nuclear war and and the magnetic polar shift are the ones that i think they run with the most 0.99

01:15:02.500 because they seem the most feasible uh to people especially with you know the the whole war

01:15:07.000 situation but they've put dates on these things abductees have received um you know dates of when

01:15:14.080 this calamity was supposed to come to pass and they've they've never been right i'm not saying

01:15:18.600 that that doesn't mean you're experiencing something and i'm not saying that the entity

01:15:21.820 that you're experiencing isn't real i'm just saying in america we've been detached from the

01:15:27.920 spiritual realm to such a degree and we've bought into this materialistic paradigm that when

01:15:32.780 something steps through it and presents itself to us that doesn't fit that whole materialistic 0.99

01:15:38.740 paradigm by virtue of being amazing we think that it's not lying it's like these fucking things lie 0.99

01:15:45.520 man they lie a lot they're super like this is a real phenomenon there is an mk ultra aspect to it 0.97

01:15:51.480 There does seem to be some entity aspect to it that's, you know, non-human.

01:15:56.520 It's inherently deceptive.

01:15:58.280 And there's such—it's crazy, the through line.

01:16:00.060 It's almost—it's so obvious, but the church has done a great job of stripping the general public of the view of the supernatural that I think we need to be equipped with.

01:16:09.380 And again, you know, the book of Enoch, take it early, especially the second and third one.

01:16:13.200 I don't really adhere to that.

01:16:14.460 But the first one is quoted directly in the book of Jude, Judah, verse 14 and 15, and Enoch 1, 9, chapter 1, verse 9 in the first Enoch.

01:16:25.460 It's word for word.

01:16:26.940 So Jude, who is the brother of Jesus, is quoting Enoch, which means that these people are familiar, at the very least, with the first book of Enoch.

01:16:35.840 And that book is talking about the nature of these entities, which are the Nephilim or what we would call demons now.

01:16:41.940 A dead Nephilim would be a disembodied spirit, a demon, and they knew this stuff, and they were telling us about this.

01:16:49.420 He's even talking about, you know, in the book of Judah, the angels that left their first estate. 0.59

01:16:54.040 So they were in touch with the supernatural, and we're not, and now we're about to be.

01:16:59.980 We have President Trump.

01:17:01.400 He's going to declassify.

01:17:03.280 Go ahead, Jay.

01:17:04.000 no no well and i think that that's a a really interesting point to kind of look at this from

01:17:11.400 from both ends which is the and in a certain way this like instinct to strip the supernatural out

01:17:19.920 of christianity kind of hit its high water mark like around the american founding right you have

01:17:25.160 like the jefferson bible where he basically goes through with a razor blade and you know cuts out

01:17:29.200 anything that he didn't like but at the same time you see that all too often this idea of like well

01:17:36.280 the bible scripture whatever is basically just kind of like a life manual by a wise guy

01:17:43.180 and like all that other stuff like yeah we can kind of you know we would throw it out it doesn't

01:17:47.020 matter and i think there's a couple things which is one you see predominantly in the kind of

01:17:54.000 evangelical world, which I'm in it, not of it. I'm surrounded by these people. They're good

01:17:59.380 neighbors, but there are certain flaws in that culture. And one of them is that they've been

01:18:04.760 hit by psychotherapy, like a freight train, like all of the stuff about like going to therapy,

01:18:10.640 that whole language is just burning through that world. But there are several interesting

01:18:15.780 things about that. One is a presupposition that anything going on in your life is ultimately

01:18:22.000 medical, right? It can be explained by brain chemistry or, you know, childhood trauma or

01:18:27.840 whatever. It's the idea that anything happening to you is entirely materialistic. And that is

01:18:32.620 really, if we're thinking about it from their perspective, comes higher than anything in the

01:18:36.880 book that you say defines your entire life, right? You're taking that authority and kind of

01:18:41.520 subsuming it to, uh, like a woman with two years of extra school, you know? Right. Right. Yeah. 0.99

01:18:47.460 And it's so frustrating because it's like, well, look, like you've got to understand

01:18:52.060 that framing, that idea of like psychotherapy or whatever, it isn't neutral.

01:18:56.720 It is making a claim about how the world works, how your perception of reality works.

01:19:02.660 And the reason I bring it up is because you could say like, oh, well, let's look at like

01:19:06.120 the people who are most likely to say, you know, I believe in demons.

01:19:09.840 I believe in angels, right?

01:19:11.620 Yeah, sure.

01:19:12.060 They do.

01:19:12.560 And they're probably with the best people we've got in America.

01:19:14.900 But if you look at how they actually live, it's like, you don't live like you believe that you live like you're, you know, a guy who listened to NPR 20 years ago.

01:19:23.780 Like you're just lagging behind that part of culture.

01:19:26.720 And this whole kind of conversation about evil, because this is evil, right?

01:19:31.960 And if you believe that evil is real, evil is active and coordinated.

01:19:35.280 you're kind of left with several reactions to that which is to just stick your head in the sand

01:19:42.300 or say basically like oh well this has to be resisted and i think that that's a really

01:19:49.000 interesting divide because to your and this is what we were talking about an hour ago right this

01:19:53.560 kind of very you know comfortable version of god c.s lewis has called it you know uh

01:20:00.020 jesus with water right like drinking your whiskey with a little bit of water in it

01:20:05.120 yeah you're kind of taking the edge off and it's this idea that basically anything that's like

01:20:11.600 hard or nasty or gross or real that can all be pushed out that the main purpose of being

01:20:17.440 christian the main purpose of going to church is to be minorly respectable right to do the things

01:20:22.760 that good people do and it's like okay well you know i guess there's some element of that you

01:20:27.820 know like there's certain kind of moral instructions in the book if you take it all seriously

01:20:31.260 but but if you believe that god is real if you believe that the devil is real like

01:20:36.780 that should change how you interact with the world that's a radical assumption and i don't

01:20:43.440 know sorry a little bit of a diatribe there but it's something that i find incredibly frustrating

01:20:47.560 because you see people proclaim it out of one side of their mouth and then live as if they are

01:20:53.160 you know godless materialists otherwise so yeah well you touched on something they're saying that

01:20:58.040 the church uh people that go to church are hyper into this idea of therapy and you know this this

01:21:05.540 unwillingness to recognize that you are in it's call it what it is it's spiritual warfare right

01:21:10.640 if you believe that the devil exists then we exist in spiritual warfare and this idea that

01:21:15.400 everything can be explained away medically um is something that i think we're coming to terms with

01:21:20.840 not being the i think we i'd like to add a disclaimer as well because obviously i'm i'm of 0.66

01:21:26.360 that mindset but sometimes you do dumb shit you know so we have to also be able to be like all 0.87

01:21:33.320 right listen that was my responsibility there's a thing that i could take care of here as well 0.98

01:21:36.780 sure do not ignore that other side that spiritual side because that is also very real so i think the

01:21:42.540 you know the the dance that you have to do with the dynamic that you have to play is trying to

01:21:46.620 trust your discernment on okay when is this a spiritual attack sure when is this something

01:21:51.700 that is within my control because there's many things that are within your control that you can

01:21:55.880 control. And it might not be external, but go ahead. I have an example. And actually, Jay,

01:22:01.520 you might be interested in talking to this individual. We've had him on the show a couple

01:22:05.460 of times. His name is Dr. Jerry Marzinski, and he is a clinical psychologist who has dealt with

01:22:11.680 specifically schizophrenia for 35 years. And we talked about not everything can be medical,

01:22:18.180 right? Within the materialistic paradigm, every potential ailment that you have has a reason,

01:22:22.900 a medical reason well marzinski after dealing with these schizophrenic patients he dealt with

01:22:28.000 them in a clinical hospital setting for a long time that hospital eventually got shut down and

01:22:32.080 he moved over to a prison setting and in that prison setting he had the ability to um i don't

01:22:37.560 know kind of be a little bit more free in the way that he interacted with them so the medical

01:22:41.060 apparatus will tell you do not feed into them whatsoever because you're just feeding into their

01:22:45.560 delusions and their hallucinations and this could be harmful when he was in the hospital he was

01:22:49.640 asking them specifically like well so what are the voices telling you and uh yeah the medical

01:22:53.860 system there was like hey don't do that don't play into that it's creating more delusions

01:22:59.120 the hallucinations aren't are intensifying this is the way we treat it this is the way you treat

01:23:04.140 it right pills ignore that and move on so what ended up happening was he started to notice

01:23:10.560 patterns arising in in these people and their experiences specifically i think 23 patterns

01:23:16.580 that these voices, these intrusive auditory hallucinations would adhere to.

01:23:22.240 Now, within hallucinations, you would expect some patterns to emerge

01:23:26.020 because even in randomness, occasionally a pattern will emerge,

01:23:28.700 but not 23 reliable patterns.

01:23:31.400 Reliable, consistent ones.

01:23:32.380 What eventually ends up happening is he starts to treat these things

01:23:36.500 and he starts telling his patients in the prison setting

01:23:38.740 to treat them as if they are external to themselves

01:23:41.680 and not a chemical imbalance of the brain,

01:23:44.700 that they're helpless to to remedy themselves they need external help they need pills to be

01:23:48.740 sedated and they need experts um and he finds not only do a a bunch of people have a lot of success

01:23:55.100 with this model but when he comes out of the other end he's retired now i believe um he thinks that

01:24:01.780 they're definitively external to the individual it has nothing to do with a chemical imbalance

01:24:07.000 now the trauma is present typically there's a childhood trauma that's present and we talked

01:24:12.060 earlier about how that allows these things access there's also a very fascinating through through

01:24:17.780 line of uh methamphetamine oh yeah drug use in general but methamphetamine being the most

01:24:23.620 effective yeah he's like that one is like you kick the door open and put a door stopper in it and now

01:24:27.720 that that pathway is open to whatever wants to come in and out and you kind of you can track

01:24:32.620 that back to nazi germany as well which is interesting with pervitin but so hey look

01:24:38.100 This podcast is sponsored by meth.

01:24:41.840 I'm on it right now.

01:24:43.380 I should have worn my Perviton t-shirt.

01:24:45.020 He does have one.

01:24:46.760 So he comes out of the other end of this and he's saying the closest thing, not a religious man, the closest thing that he found that describes what these hallucinations were is demons, that they were inherently demonic.

01:25:01.580 He actually came on our show for one of his appearances with an individual who was diagnosed bipolar schizophrenic in his early 20s, and by the time he came on our show, he was a retired mechanical engineer, and the way that he overcame these things was not by giving agency over to the medical apparatus and saying, I am helpless to fix this thing.

01:25:24.440 i'm fundamentally broken instead he takes that agency back and he treats these things as if

01:25:30.520 they're external to himself now he's not burdened by them anymore and so in a sense like everybody

01:25:35.960 has this we we call them intrusive thoughts and i'm sure that you have you've had a couple just 0.97

01:25:40.520 you know throughout this show yeah a little voice says i call him a fag a little voice says end the 0.88

01:25:46.640 stream hit it but it seems like in the case of schizophrenics that voice is just louder and more 0.96

01:25:54.180 undeniable yeah maybe even uh sometimes it appears like your own voice it seems like they have like

01:25:59.840 a rolodex to your memory where they can just scroll through and tell you about the things

01:26:04.000 that you've done in the past and why you should hate yourself for that specifically that they

01:26:07.560 have been watching it's not that they have access to your thoughts but they are there

01:26:11.480 they have a lot of time on their hands and they are watching they are familiar spirits that are

01:26:16.560 there all the time one great story that jerry tells is uh when he is working in the jail

01:26:20.960 and he's interviewing his patients he's kind of doing this thing where he's writing down what

01:26:26.340 they're telling them and he's he's interfering in a big way because he's start he's starting to

01:26:30.520 intervene and tell the people you know maybe uh this is outside of you maybe think about it this

01:26:35.520 way and uh one of the patients comes into him and they go hey you know what you're you're doing is

01:26:40.780 dangerous right and he's like what am i doing i'm just you know you guys are coming here willingly

01:26:46.040 I'm a doctor. And he said, the voices are telling me that you have no right to interfere with our

01:26:53.660 way of life. Right. So this voice that's talking to him from an individual patient is telling him

01:26:59.360 that he's got no right to be doing what he's doing within this entire prison system. But specifically

01:27:04.940 interfering with their way of life, which I think is a really keen insight. These things are

01:27:09.140 parasitic. They need you to believe that your thoughts are your own and that there's not

01:27:15.680 something external, whispering, intrusive bullshit to you. In fact, it seems that the more you 0.93

01:27:21.540 identify with these thoughts, the more that you believe what they're saying, the more effective

01:27:27.420 they are, and eventually the more power that they get. It seems that the parasitical nature comes by

01:27:32.680 way of feeding off of these low energies that you emit. I've had experiences with all kinds of crap 0.99

01:27:38.540 my entire life. It's what made me a conspiracy theorist. One of the patterns that seems super 0.98

01:27:43.240 consistent is if you are in a low place in life, if you are depressed, if you are sad and angry

01:27:49.860 and anxious and all these things, they eat off of that. That's been something that that pattern

01:27:56.760 emerges consistently even throughout this show, but specifically throughout my own experiences

01:28:01.500 and other people who have experienced strange things will say that they come at a low point.

01:28:05.480 In fact, a lot of people have some of the worst experiences with supernatural entities around

01:28:11.160 divorces or around the death of a loved one or something like that so if this thing can whisper 1.00

01:28:16.220 to you that you're worthless and nobody loves you and you can't do it and you're a piece of shit and 1.00

01:28:22.440 all these different things and you believe that well what happens when you believe that you get 1.00

01:28:26.420 sad dude you get sad you get depressed you get angry you know all these different things and

01:28:31.680 this thing is feeding off of that and it's getting stronger the stronger it gets the louder it gets

01:28:37.360 So the only difference between us and an actual, you know, medically diagnosed schizophrenic patient is how much, number one, trauma, I think, how much access was given right off the jump.

01:28:49.360 If a hole was punched in your psyche and something slipped in, well, it's got a pretty good anchor point right away. 0.99

01:28:55.420 Then from there on, how much do you believe the shit that it's saying to you? 0.99

01:28:59.940 And how much do you believe that it's your own thoughts? 0.98

01:29:02.820 You know, Marzinski says that he believes upwards of 80 percent of our thoughts are not our own, which I think is exactly goes right back to what we're talking about earlier in the show.

01:29:12.100 This channeling thing, right? Santana getting his inspiration from Metatron.

01:29:16.800 These things exist in a in a realm that I think is best defined as like a frequency.

01:29:24.260 They can't be here in the physical realm, I don't think.

01:29:27.360 Maybe in some rare instances they can.

01:29:29.580 You know, if a messenger angel of God shows up, good luck telling somebody that that's

01:29:33.600 not a real thing that was in this physical realm.

01:29:35.740 But I think mostly the way I've heard it described is like Al Capone still running the mob from

01:29:41.700 in prison, right?

01:29:42.880 So these things exist in a place that we perceive as frequency.

01:29:46.160 That's why you have those weird stories of like disembodied voices over the telephone

01:29:51.280 or back when it was a tube TV, the static, all of a sudden images would pop up in the

01:29:56.460 static and it would seem like there's spirits in the TV. You go a little bit further back and you

01:30:02.000 find plenty of instances of intellectuals that were pushed out by the scientific community or

01:30:09.420 the academic community and called pseudoscientists and things like that, but they're trying to

01:30:13.820 contact these realms with all kinds of different technology. The SpiritCom is a great example of

01:30:19.060 it. It's basically a radio that's going to tune to different frequencies to try to come into

01:30:24.260 contact with these things so i think that um what you have interacting with people here's actually

01:30:30.260 a really great kind of uh connection to that lucille ball back in i think it was like 47 or

01:30:38.180 something like that or 48 she gets a routine dental procedure and starts to pick up no that

01:30:46.320 was that was a little further on was it in the 50s so she gets this routine dental procedure

01:30:50.920 and afterwards she starts to pick up radio frequency she's hearing music in her head

01:30:54.080 and we've actually seen that get kind of played off a lot on like uh looney tunes and things like

01:30:58.100 that they'll make cartoons about it um and it happens again but this time it's not music it's

01:31:06.060 japanese insurgencies and she gets in contact with the police this is like in california and

01:31:12.360 hollywood and they thwart this insurgency by the japanese and you know so it's this really wild

01:31:19.440 story she picks up their communications and ends up stopping something you know pretty dire but that

01:31:24.780 guy who developed that technology of putting an implant in the tooth he goes on to his name is

01:31:32.020 andreja puharic he goes on to work with all sorts of people who were there at the budding beginnings

01:31:38.860 of mk ultra and all of that technology is implemented in in their patients they're giving

01:31:46.640 them high doses of lsd and they're giving them uh dental procedures where they're putting heavy

01:31:51.680 metals in their teeth and these people are their brain chemistry has been altered and they have a

01:31:57.740 frequency conducting device in their tooth and they're communicating they're communicating with 0.99

01:32:02.280 something else in a different realm this is where all that shit comes from where our intelligence 0.96

01:32:06.480 agencies were obsessed with this is where you know stranger things comes from like the idea of 0.97

01:32:11.540 having these children who are traumatized and in a disassociative state and contacting a different 0.96

01:32:18.720 realm filled with different entities it's all this shit back in 47 48 early 50s 0.77

01:32:26.560 guys this has been a ton of fun uh in case you're wondering i normally go for an hour

01:32:31.560 okay an hour 25 this is a good episode i'm glad man i hope people can follow it i hope

01:32:37.140 weren't too schizophrenic for them yeah look as someone who exclusively caters to an audience

01:32:42.940 of uh the mentally unwell nice i think this will go great uh guys like i said we'll have to do this

01:32:49.620 again sometime this was a ton of fun and if i didn't have buck johnson coming on in like 20

01:32:53.860 minutes we love buck we said hi and he's he has to come on the show yeah he absolutely does yeah

01:32:59.700 as someone who now knows you both that would be incredibly entertaining to me

01:33:05.820 sort of regardless of what happens we've had him on we've had him on before yeah he's a great guest

01:33:10.820 great me and buck are friends we go back you know our libertarian days we're no longer 0.95

01:33:14.480 gay but yeah no mo we ain't gay no mo tell him we said hi you got hit with the uh you got the 0.87

01:33:19.920 milo treatment you're not exactly mike pence just with the lightning hands anyway in all seriousness 0.99

01:33:31.100 where can people find you uh you can find us anywhere nephilim death school i mean sorry

01:33:35.100 You can find Nephilim Death Squad anywhere you find podcasts, and if you go to patreon.com forward slash Nephilim Death Squad, we record sometimes two times a day, so we're putting out a lot of episodes per week.

01:33:44.980 If you want up-to-date episodes that are uncensored and all that jazz, that's the place to do it.

01:33:49.560 And also, I think we're supposed to do that today.

01:33:52.060 We're supposed to release those tickets.

01:33:53.740 Bohemian Grove 4. 0.91

01:33:55.820 It's a comedy, Christianity, conspiracy theory event, a live event.

01:34:00.660 We have all kinds of podcasters and performers.

01:34:02.820 um it's out in florida in wildwood florida is already sold out in less than 48 hours but

01:34:08.380 if you want general admission tickets you can go to toplobstid.com for that and for also for

01:34:12.420 our merch that's right if you want t-shirts from me toplobstid.com follow me on twitter too i don't

01:34:16.640 really care about two anymore toplobstid that's with an a not a hard r thank you very much and

01:34:21.840 david el corbo on twitter go follow him too he posts some bangers sometimes i've told this story

01:34:28.080 my show not that long ago but i am uh i'm permanently ip banned from teespring because

01:34:36.560 you know you get a little silly you start making some ideas yeah and uh turns out teespring and

01:34:42.560 many other merch stores share a list of people who are not allowed to make merch and if you ball too

01:34:49.040 hard they don't let you make t-shirts you want to know the way around it you want to know real

01:34:54.000 All right, so here's what you've got to do.

01:34:56.080 10,000 hours of learning how to graphic design yourself,

01:34:58.860 and then you spend another $15,000 on your own printing machine.

01:35:02.160 Then you send it to a guy in North Florida, and he does all your manufacturing.

01:35:05.560 And then you buy a 3D printing machine and maybe a laser cutter,

01:35:08.200 and you do it all through your own private website.

01:35:10.840 It's super simple, but that's what I do.

01:35:13.560 So, yeah, you could do that yourself, too.

01:35:15.640 It took me 26 seconds to get banned on Teespring, and only 15 years.

01:35:21.620 What did you say?

01:35:22.620 What did you do?

01:35:23.080 I've got to know.

01:35:23.520 what did you do okay i'll tell you the abbreviated version because people heard this story before but

01:35:28.540 on teespring you can set up your listing so that the people who buy the shirt can only see the

01:35:34.620 front and you can write whatever you want on the back and i thought i mean you already know i'm

01:35:41.000 going with this so i said like literally no profit this is just funny a t-shirt with like

01:35:47.500 my logo on it on the back it said i am a convicted rapist

01:35:50.980 i have one i have a shirt of his face and it has a you ever see the the female oh where they put

01:36:01.260 the triangle and the triangle determines whether it's a male skill or a female skill okay so it's 0.74

01:36:05.600 his face with that but on the back of it it says gay jew shill fed you can buy that at

01:36:11.600 top lobster.com i love that shirt anyway guys we'll have to do this again there's a ton of fun 0.82

01:36:17.860 i'll be sure to link to all y'all's socials as far as my stuff jay burden show anywhere you listen

01:36:22.680 to podcasts you want the episodes early and ad free you have to throw me a few bucks on patreon

01:36:27.160 substack or gumroad we have sponsors not that you'd know it because i always forget about them

01:36:31.760 uh fox and sons coffee jay burden gets you 15 off axios remote fitness and coaching uh jd has

01:36:38.500 supported me for years i don't know why i always forget that he sponsors me i got the name of his

01:36:43.860 company wrong for two years uh so like not for my sake but for his yeah man click the link he needs

01:36:53.160 it and shout out to fox and sons companies they used to we used to work with them as well oh

01:36:57.560 that's right yeah they really yeah really good people yeah they're awesome yeah they keep picking

01:37:01.640 horrifying people to work with uh like you and us but it has to be a personality disorder there's

01:37:06.800 something wrong there maybe they should talk to dr jerry marzinski send me top if you can uh send

01:37:13.080 me the link to talk to uh dr marzinski that sounds interesting yeah yeah you'll get a kick out of him

01:37:17.880 man he's great yeah i'll give you his email awesome i will say one of the other things that i find

01:37:23.680 really funny and it drives people up the walls is just literally cutting off the podcast in the

01:37:28.960 middle of a sentence oh hit the end record button we do that all the time point it drives people up

01:37:35.000 the wall you know what nobody's ever said anything about us doing it in a negative way but we do that

01:37:40.560 constantly top has the button over there he just hits the button like when i'm done i'm like 0.83

01:37:43.740 fucking done yeah it'll be mid-sentence and it actually just i think it makes it funnier if i 0.96

01:37:47.800 don't like what they're saying in the chat i'm like fuck you goodbye all right guys this will 0.98

01:37:53.400 be up uh behind the paywall in probably a couple hours and then i'll tag you when it comes out on 0.98

01:37:59.000 social media this is a ton of fun we got to do it again all right brother we'll be in touch

01:38:02.500 all right man talk to you later all right see y'all thanks

Nephilim Death Squad - May 16, 2026

Throw Back ： Conspiracy Potpourri - NDS on J. Burden

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