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00:01:04.920 Hello and welcome to Keenum in Context. I'm Sean. I want to thank you for joining us here today.

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00:05:16.900 today we have a wonderful panel coming on we have a top matt and raven from netham death squad

00:05:24.140 welcome gentlemen what's going on brother hey good to see you guys thank you for having us man this

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00:05:49.020 somebody in our audience has to make shields i hadn't considered it before that is awesome

00:05:52.740 yeah it's it's uh i wanted to do the give away the sword as well because i have the sword

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00:06:00.660 we have to keep something i mean if the sword is cool you got to keep something right i mean 0.98

00:06:04.940 well we did have uh we we branded our audience as dangerous r-tards i'm not gonna but uh we had 0.99

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00:06:15.720 shouldn't be yeah because the implications if you get in trouble and the the judge looks at

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00:06:26.120 risky endeavor that's why i guess so you guys have a channel netflix squad you guys are on

00:06:32.240 all major podcasts streaming platforms as well as rumble and youtube am i missing one you're also

00:06:39.580 you streamed platforms and all that that that's pretty much covers it okay yeah so um you guys

00:06:46.860 what i always try to when i have guests on i always try to go through some of the basics for

00:06:50.840 the audience to kind of get to know you a little bit um we can start from left to right if you like

00:06:54.460 what brought you to christ and then we'll move on to i guess a different question so like what

00:07:00.820 if you could sum it up in two minutes like what how what would you say uh brought you into the

00:07:05.800 the goodness and the grace of god um i was kind of like brought in like pushed in in a way as a child

00:07:12.720 and uh fell out but have rediscovered in the last i don't know five years or so

00:07:19.020 and i think the path that i took is a little a little strange kind of uh from being you know

00:07:26.300 playing guitar in a church to being kicked out of a church to not wanting anything to do with it

00:07:32.080 then coming back and and really re-exploring the bible but what the bible is actually saying not

00:07:38.240 what somebody taught me and as i did that and i dug deeper and like from you know you look into

00:07:43.440 conspiracies and politics and stuff and and after you realize that that's all nonsense i started to

00:07:48.740 go back into my actual roots which is the bible and then i started to read into that and there is

00:07:53.260 more in there than I was told as a child. And from there, I started to rediscover not just my

00:07:59.300 faith in God. I never stopped believing in God, Jesus Christ and those things, but my relationship

00:08:06.360 with God. So as I'm exploring these topics, I'm getting closer to understanding the personality

00:08:14.680 of God or who he is or what he needs me to be. And that's probably been the last two years.

00:08:22.060 the show that we started was supposed to be conspiracy and comedy and we're we're christian

00:08:26.900 we believe but it wasn't it was never supposed to really aim in that direction but the more

00:08:32.340 it has developed the closer in our walk we've gotten that way and yeah it's uh it's it's in a

00:08:40.680 very organic way it's happened and i don't for me as a person it couldn't have happened any other

00:08:45.640 way because i'm not the kind of person that you can tell what to do and where to go i've got to

00:08:50.860 really learn this and understand these things myself and like internalize them so that's a i

00:08:55.680 guess the long and short of my walk with god and kind of how i got to where i'm at but matt i'm

00:09:00.380 interested to hear about you don't even talk about yourself dude well yeah well that's another topic

00:09:05.740 for another time no so i got a bible like i got a bible bro when i was 19 like when i was a little

00:09:10.400 kid we used to go to catholic church but if i asked my mom like why we went to church she said

00:09:14.320 because i said so like there was never like any elaborating on it and there was never any bible

00:09:19.020 but i got a bible when i was 19 and i was like it was it was just a wild experience like i was

00:09:25.700 literally rushing home from work to read it and i would be reading it like after work

00:09:29.720 excuse me till i'd like go to bed and i never uh like i immediately knew it was the truth

00:09:36.620 like i like immediately as as i'm reading this i had been reading some other stuff about buddhism

00:09:41.140 hinduism and like uh judaism and just some other stuff because my brother had a world religion book

00:09:46.700 And I sort of thought I was going to mix them all together.

00:09:48.960 And then I got a Bible and I was like, yo, this doesn't mix with anything. 0.98

00:09:51.900 Like, like this is definitely the truth.

00:09:54.260 And then, uh, and then I was in a major conflict cause I wasn't ready to obey.

00:09:59.120 I wasn't ready to submit to Christ.

00:10:01.520 You know what I mean?

00:10:02.640 So, um, so that went on and my life went, uh, out of control for probably another 10

00:10:09.080 years or eight years or something like that.

00:10:10.900 I don't know until I finally just surrendered, man, until I finally was like, I've had enough.

00:10:15.340 and then went back to the Bible, just kept reading and reading and reading.

00:10:20.840 And I think a passage that really kind of changed a lot for me

00:10:24.800 or maybe different from what I hear from other people is just like John 14.

00:10:29.340 I think it's 26 or 23, but just that the Holy Spirit will teach you all things

00:10:34.940 and bring all things to your memory.

00:10:36.240 I think for some reason, surely just the grace of God,

00:10:41.100 I just understood the Bible when I read it.

00:10:43.200 and uh it was just a matter of like i said submitting and so after that like eight or

00:10:48.520 ten years of letting god letting the world just beat me up enough i finally submitted that was

00:10:54.620 when i finally came to christ or started to really walk with them okay yeah that's good

00:11:00.540 um so i i think uh don't lie to the people my my childhood was filled with a lot of

00:11:09.780 Weird happenings.

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00:11:43.780 Spiritual experiences, supernatural experiences.

00:11:46.000 Turns out there's some generational iniquity going on, or at least as I've come to understand it.

00:11:51.240 My grandmother was involved in, you know, New Age practices and such.

00:11:55.220 And I think her kids and their kids really experienced the rewards of that.

00:12:00.740 We reaped the benefits of that misstep.

00:12:03.180 And so having those experiences when I was little made me, once I had access to the internet, I was fascinated with these stories, supernatural stories.

00:12:13.680 And that kind of led me down this conspiracy route.

00:12:17.900 You know, if you start Googling sleep paralysis and things of that nature, you're going to get to all kinds of demonic kind of answers.

00:12:25.380 and then what that begat was uh is that a word um all of these symbols popping up that you would

00:12:32.980 see in the music industry and in hollywood kind of esoteric hollywood uh things and then from there

00:12:38.700 i was a conspiracy theorist from maybe 16 years old to i would say 30 around 30 years old i have

00:12:49.040 a demonic encounter and it's not just me my wife has the encounter and then my son who at the time

00:12:57.020 is maybe four has the encounter and um it was horrifying and it was it lasted a number of days

00:13:06.820 and i was desperate for it to stop and i couldn't get answers because so this was like a an oppression

00:13:14.800 like they were actually coming after you oh i saw it my wife's physical manifestation right well

00:13:20.340 it's hard to say physical because well spiritual realm we don't know yeah we don't really know

00:13:24.620 um but yeah enough that um without me telling my wife that this thing was happening to me

00:13:32.140 she described this entity to me and without our son being aware that we had seen this thing

00:13:37.520 he described it and when that happened i was in such a state of desperation and had no way

00:13:43.760 of recourse that for the first time in my life, I called out to Jesus Christ and the entire

00:13:49.180 phenomenon stopped on a dime. And when that happened, I decided to finally entertain this

00:13:56.520 thing that if you're in conspiracy is constantly showing itself. The Bible is constantly showing

00:14:00.960 itself in conspiracy theory. Jesus is constantly showing up as an element within conspiracy

00:14:06.580 theory, but I had never given it its due diligence because in the West, we've learned to kind of

00:14:11.620 dismiss this. There's a cultural sort of psyop at play that Christianity is ridiculed and Christ

00:14:19.500 is kind of put on the back burner. And if anything, it looks like maybe Christianity is a control

00:14:24.020 mechanism for the masses or something to that effect. And so I had never really delved down

00:14:29.180 that. I was willing to look into all things. If it was Crowley, I would say, well, what's this

00:14:32.940 about? Or if it was, you know, the New World Order or something like that, any of the cliches,

00:14:38.560 i would look at that but i'd always put christ on the back burner when this phenomenon stopped

00:14:43.140 i decided not all at once to be perfectly honest it did take a year or two maybe even more than

00:14:50.680 that maybe i'm being a little bit too generous to myself um before i oriented in that direction

00:14:55.920 and genuinely started to explore the phenomenon and then i dedicated um a show to it was called

00:15:03.200 the raven's watch and then i i shortly after that met up with top and we really began to focus on

00:15:10.360 this thing on nephilim death squad so so much of what the audience sees is a relatively new walk

00:15:14.980 uh with christ in in in you know my position specifically on the show i wasn't raised in the

00:15:21.020 church not religious you know if you had to say anything maybe there was some ages of the elements

00:15:25.640 of new age in my upbringing. But as a 30-something-year-old man, I'm now exploring it with an

00:15:33.420 audience, and it's just the gift that keeps on giving.

00:15:37.320 Yeah, that's awesome, brother. So as you guys, all three have discussed, I hear elements

00:15:41.800 of my own walk and my own coming to Christ and everything you're talking about. Top,

00:15:45.920 you mentioned something about how you're really learning more of what God wants for you and

00:15:51.000 what he has for you, what he's put inside of you to come out with your gifts and talents.

00:15:55.080 I had a guy try to explain that one to me. I was probably 19 or 20, and an older man who was a Christian was trying to share something with me to encourage me, and he took me to a Bible passage that you never hear anyone ever preach from, and it's Philemon, right?

00:16:09.380 So he took me to the book of Philemon, verse 6, and verse 6 says, I pray that your partnership in the faith may become effective as you fully acknowledge every good thing that is ours in Christ.

00:16:20.960 And the way he tried to explain this to me was that when we, you know, press into Christ and deepen on our discipleship, all the good things he's, he's like put into your personality are going to start to blossom and fruit out. Right. Versus when you press into the world, all that goodness that God created within you is going to get suppressed. Right. As you get overridden with a calloused heart and with destructive behaviors.

00:16:44.800 And so I just like the fullness of my personality as God created coming out because I walk with Christ.

00:16:50.560 I'd never heard that before. Right. And I thought that was amazing.

00:16:53.880 And that's, you know, here I am doing everything that I've wanted to do all my life since coming to Christ.

00:16:59.140 I'm finally doing it at 45 years, almost 46 now. And so that was just encouraging me.

00:17:03.640 I also grew up in church. My father and grandfather were pastors and gave my but I don't feel like I really gave my heart to Christ until I was 17.

00:17:13.280 and that was in the back of a minivan on i-95 in new jersey so like in new jersey where wait

00:17:19.100 where in new jersey oh god literally literally on i-95 and on the highway in new jersey as we

00:17:23.780 were driving oh that's funny i didn't have a normal church article moment like i had a

00:17:28.140 radical conversion in a minivan on i-95 i was not i mean you know in all things considered uh

00:17:34.140 where i was at the time was not far from i-95 in new jersey so uh i like that maybe there's maybe

00:17:39.380 there's a special line running through new jersey yeah there's a there's actually a story that i

00:17:43.580 tell that i i guess i really abbreviated for the my i don't really give my testimony that much i'll

00:17:48.780 i'll just give bits and pieces as we go but uh there was a woman in the church that i went to

00:17:52.980 as i was getting kicked out nobody knew i had a disagreement with the pastor a whole fallout

00:17:57.820 but uh the congregation had no idea they just see me still up there doing the ministry and she uh

00:18:04.600 she prophesies over me and she said that you're going to talk to millions of people one day

00:18:09.880 um great plans and i told her like i said thanks but what i said was like in my in my mind f you

00:18:16.540 this you know because i had one foot out i was still there but i was like i am leaving

00:18:21.200 and this place has done me wrong that's not happening and every step that i took

00:18:26.480 in a disobedience it was it was like a step this way and it always felt wrong i was like getting

00:18:33.080 slapped down for doing what i was doing incorrectly um but it kept on like little by little degree by

00:18:39.000 degree pushing me back into the orientation that well now i'm doing i'm doing exactly what she said

00:18:45.000 yeah uh but i i didn't seek out to do it if that makes any sense yeah yeah i think our show sean

00:18:53.160 is is um i mean we have a reputation for being rough around the edges but there's there's a

00:18:58.020 a certain type of person that we talk to that I think the church and other

00:19:03.280 folks have a hard time reaching.

00:19:05.020 And, and those are specifically people that are not only rough around the

00:19:08.080 edges, but are of a conspiratorial mindset,

00:19:10.440 because there's something about a conspiracy theorist that doesn't want to

00:19:14.720 listen to somebody talk who doesn't know what they know. So, you know,

00:19:19.340 maybe for example, this Epstein file thing, that's, that's big right now.

00:19:22.600 It's like, if you don't know what the, what the Clintons are, are you know,

00:19:27.300 what they're doing or what's going on on that island or something, then I don't even want to

00:19:30.900 hear you talk. So a lot of pastors and things of that nature, they're grounded in Christ,

00:19:35.860 they're grounded in scripture, they're not really aware of what the world's doing, which is honestly

00:19:40.020 what we're called to do, right? We're not called to be in the world, or we're in the world, but not

00:19:45.640 of the world. And so that's not really a fault of their own. But I think that you said earlier, God,

00:19:51.300 you know, takes these elements of you that are of your personality. And as you gravitate towards

00:19:57.100 him these things they they rise up they become tools um we were you know he comes from a political

00:20:03.740 background i come from a kind of crazy conspiracies you know maybe even spiritual background um but

00:20:10.680 all of that learning about this the political corruption and the the conspiratorial corruption

00:20:15.680 allows us to talk to these people who wouldn't otherwise listen if you didn't know something

00:20:20.660 that they know um we're a specific tool we're a very unique tool for a very unique group and

00:20:28.120 and um and it took a long time you know you said that you're experiencing finally being able to do

00:20:34.220 this thing in your 40s it was the same way for me i i did a podcast quite unsuccessfully for a long

00:20:40.860 time for like six or seven years and they were podcasts on any given topic i would just talk to

00:20:47.100 people who did something interesting or they were or they were comedy rooted to no success

00:20:51.540 whatsoever. And I could feel it. I've achieved nothing except for by the grace of God. Once I

00:20:57.020 oriented towards God, I was like, I'm listening, I'm moving towards you, I'm pursuing you and then

00:21:01.280 talking about that. And, you know, I think going through this walk publicly, everything started

00:21:07.380 coming together, I would never be able to attribute any of my success to my own desires or

00:21:14.740 abilities because i did it for a long time with zero success and it was only once i oriented

00:21:20.800 towards god that i found success yeah well i want to encourage you both because there is uh when

00:21:27.400 people say oh you know your christians shouldn't be obsessed with conspiracy theories i'm just

00:21:32.340 sitting there going hey have you read your bible because uh let me show you something that's in

00:21:36.560 the bible and we should all we all have access to this information and this is actually a it's just

00:21:42.580 a facebook post i did a long time ago but i go ahead and systematically document like through

00:21:46.660 all the scriptures all the conspiracy theories in scripture so like you literally have people

00:21:51.860 attacking haven eve you have the eugenics genocide and environmental destruction of genesis 6 0.68

00:21:56.320 you have the entire world conspiring against the creator in genesis 11 with the tower of babel 0.90

00:22:01.020 you have incremental oppression and subjugation by the whole egyptian government and people

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00:22:39.720 shill support for former oppressive government by internal turmoil and

00:22:42.580 mutiny in number 16 with the rebellion of Korah.

00:22:46.020 You've got weapons ban and oppressive government to fully subjugate the

00:22:48.740 people in first Samuel 13 by the Philistines.

00:22:51.800 You've got a genocide plot by government officials and Esther nine spies,

00:22:56.040 sabotage and imprisonment of oppressive government toward people's champion

00:22:59.100 and judges 16 when they're coming after Samson political and religious

00:23:03.140 entrapment and false imprisonment in Daniel six.

00:23:05.140 Like you just go down the list of all these different conspiracies.

00:23:07.920 is the one samuel 13 is that the one where uh it says that they stopped making the weapons in

00:23:12.900 israel and they were made uh the philistines were making them so they couldn't even make

00:23:16.260 them when they needed them yeah they had a complete weapon not just a weapons ban but

00:23:19.780 a weapons manufacturing ban yeah in all of this that's hard getting that list you got right there

00:23:25.380 hits this is what we do uh i love that let me let me tell you the story sean of of the then of

00:23:30.440 course to end it off real quick revelation 12 satan deceives the whole world like there's an

00:23:35.080 actual it's stated that he's trying to deceive us all and he has minions that help him like it's a

00:23:41.280 group effort for them to deceive the whole world and so yeah i'm sorry top go ahead no no it's all

00:23:46.840 uh so as we said the show and its inception is comedy conspiracy and we are christian so we'll

00:23:51.740 talk about uh we'll talk about that as well but it never leaned into christianity and we were doing

00:23:57.020 a lot of comedy a lot of conspiracy and things like that uh doing live events with comedians

00:24:02.480 and people and the last live event we did about two weeks before fell apart fantastically oh yeah

00:24:07.720 got basically banned by the town for having a certain comedian um the people who were helping

00:24:13.120 us with the show one of the one of the people that was like a third part of uh the organization

00:24:18.600 of the show he just bailed out asked his audience not to come because i don't know for reasons

00:24:25.220 pretty much unknown just kind of left and we were left to pick up the pieces and we found a new

00:24:31.820 venue we still pulled off the performance and we did what we had to do but in the aftermath like

00:24:37.480 you're left with this like sort of resentment this bitterness is like betrayal from so many

00:24:42.240 different places but you're also left with this feeling of like wow that we still we still did a

00:24:47.040 thing yeah and through that we're like well we could choose to be like really bitter and angry

00:24:51.460 or we can kind of try to understand what happened here and from our understanding this was like a it

00:24:57.560 was a weird spiritual attack and we were cleaved with we were cleaved to people that were not

00:25:04.020 moving in the same direction as a matter of fact maybe a month or so after this whole incident

00:25:08.560 happened we found out that one of their big problems with us when they were talking to other

00:25:12.760 people behind our back was that they like oh they've been leaning so much into christianity

00:25:17.080 lately that i don't like i don't really know because we were like leading up to it we were

00:25:21.700 we were saying hey you know i want to take this more seriously we've been saying things on the

00:25:26.820 show or or behaving you know it's comedy so we we say whatever we're like let's you should clean

00:25:31.640 it up a little bit let's make the conscious effort to move in that direction they didn't

00:25:36.020 like that and i feel like that was part of this like break but it was such a clean break that

00:25:39.540 was bizarre and we were in a town we were talking to the people who own the town we were going to

00:25:44.880 rent studio space above a coffee shop that was across the street from an event the event venue

00:25:49.760 that we were going to perform at it all falls through in the most fantastic manner within like

00:25:53.560 I mean, we were in the place. We were measuring for banners. Yeah. When we found out that we'd

00:26:00.440 have to either kick out our comedian, Owen Benjamin, or we can't perform there. And I said,

00:26:06.260 well, it's just not how I, that's not how I operate. I didn't even ask the guys, you know,

00:26:10.940 and, and they're, you know, two thirds of the operation. I said, okay, thank you. And in my

00:26:16.320 head, I'm like, we're getting a new venue. Either this guy has to go or we're getting a new venue

00:26:20.480 because i'm not gonna cancel somebody that's not what that's not what we do not in my not in my

00:26:25.640 kingdom we don't do that here um and why would you cancel owen it's gonna be a great time yeah

00:26:31.800 because everybody else does and it's just you know it's just disgusting behavior from people but uh

00:26:36.100 that happens clearly they've never listened to him because that's just gonna make them

00:26:39.980 mock them even more which he did which we yeah which is exactly what happened we all got on

00:26:45.940 stage and did that and it was it was kind of a it was our it was our like uh i don't know finale

00:26:51.220 of of this like ruckus comedy but anyway this falls through the studio on top of the coffee shop

00:26:58.320 that's gone because i'm not doing any business in in this town anymore it turns out the entire

00:27:02.700 town it goes up to the mayor one day i walk into another coffee shop and i go coffee's pretty good

00:27:07.160 here come back and the next time i'm wearing it's all right it's fine wearing my nephilim

00:27:13.060 death squad t-shirt because i you know i i print and uh distribute t-shirts so he goes uh matt goes

00:27:19.760 what do you know about the nephilim and we start having a conversation next thing you know i didn't 0.96

00:27:24.320 say it like that that's exactly how i said bro you know what a nephilim is you have a real nasty

00:27:28.680 yeah we just did the face so we started having a conversation i realized i said this guy has a

00:27:32.960 story to tell i interviewed him on the show i was like oh he's he's great on the mic as well

00:27:38.580 I invited him to do some bible studies with us and it reminded me as you're pulling up those passages

00:27:44.740 we were reading the book of Daniel and one of the special things about the bible studies that we do

00:27:48.980 with Matt on the show is we're reading the bible and you're looking at these circumstances of old

00:27:54.860 and I'm trying to imagine all the parts that the bible doesn't like extrapolate on so Daniel's in

00:28:00.240 Babylon and he's in the political class for a really long time I'm like yeah they went through

00:28:05.040 their epstein stuff they went through their you know stolen elections or whatever was going on

00:28:08.820 in babylon there's a lot going on here a lot of politics back and forth and then these things are

00:28:13.080 happening that he's writing about which are world changing and very important but it's just it's a

00:28:18.060 fascinating look at the bible because it's a history book there are things happening it's a

00:28:22.480 supernatural book and matt has been able to i mean we opened up a studio in his coffee shop but he's 0.54

00:28:27.660 been able to like kind of hold us by the hand as like two dumb kids who don't we're still like you

00:28:32.940 know we're kind of like Ed Mabry did that oh yeah we as well we just have a lot of bad behavior

00:28:37.600 a lot further down the road dude I hear the stories people tell me like the OG fans they

00:28:43.400 tell me the old stories I'm like wow Ed was with you guys through all that to bring you like so

00:28:48.120 far down the road so I got into it a lot later you guys were already as much though as as like

00:28:52.220 you kind of say like it was yeah sure it was a conscious decision to try to be a better ambassador

00:28:57.160 of of Christ you know to be a better representation of Christianity it kind of was less that and more

00:29:02.920 in my opinion that if you earnestly seek god and you and you communicate with him and you ask

00:29:08.680 he works in your life and like the way that i've described it is like things that i thought were

00:29:14.740 going to be painful to let go of they don't come off at once and they kind of fall off as you start

00:29:21.100 moving it was super painful when we're like we have set up and just kicking against the pricks

00:29:25.540 the entire time we're like we're setting up a studio here in this place and it's great because

00:29:29.740 it's above a coffee shop and we can you know have our guests come in have a coffee go upstairs and

00:29:33.640 interview them and it's like this it just seemed like the thing i was like yeah this is the way

00:29:38.340 right this is how how we're supposed to do it and then god was like no and then i walked into here

00:29:44.000 yeah close but no yeah it's actually you're going to open up a studio inside of a coffee shop and

00:29:48.720 the owner is going to ask you to do it and it's going to move forward in this weird community way

00:29:53.140 and i was just like that's cool the hell knew yeah it's insane it's actually it's actually insane

00:29:57.800 because it doesn't make any sense what's happening yeah so now after that we're not only do we have

00:30:01.600 this live thing where audience members will come and see us but matt now does a show on our on our

00:30:06.640 channel called straight bible which is like we wanted to add something to what we do and i'm

00:30:11.500 glad that we we added that i i do want to give some flowers to matt he has an unbelievable ability

00:30:16.600 to help people like me which maybe are the illiterate uh understand scripture uh in a way

00:30:22.800 where i wasn't able to uh before that's cool so is straight bible the full name or is it

00:30:27.580 is it short for straight bible no chasers it's straight bible straight bible is the full name

00:30:33.800 it's it's on our channel um and the audience loves it i mean like i said we we're taking

00:30:38.280 conspiracy theorists in who are bible curious a lot of people are already there but um this is

00:30:46.400 you know to to be able to give that back like okay god has helped us build this thing without god we

00:30:51.360 wouldn't be able to build this thing now we get to share his word with people i couldn't do it

00:30:56.440 i have a specific skill set um i don't know if top could have done it but he wasn't you know it

00:31:01.420 was like when we found matt he he filled a need in a in a really huge way and also we we sort of

00:31:08.240 filled a need he's been doing straight bible in his bed in your bedroom right by yourself by

00:31:12.620 yourself yeah he doesn't understand cameras or microphones well yeah and little bible studies

00:31:16.960 and stuff and yeah but now he gets to talk to thousands of people yeah no that was cool yeah

00:31:22.300 because so for like a long time i've gotten up early to study scripture and specifically to read

00:31:26.520 from like genesis to revelation and then once you finish revelation go back to genesis and read

00:31:32.240 through to revelation and just continue doing that and then that's just been this really rad

00:31:36.960 time to be alone with god right and then all of a sudden there's this outlet for for all that to

00:31:43.060 go somewhere but then it's just a whole new time period now it's just like me and the lord used to

00:31:47.080 have a lot of time alone with like no agenda it was just we're talking about whatever we we want

00:31:51.940 to talk about and then now it's more specific like we're doing episodes now on uh we're doing a

00:31:57.040 series on the sermon on the mount so it's like it's not necessarily like first thing in the

00:32:00.880 morning i'm like hey lord it's just me and you we're talking about anything we want it now it's

00:32:05.240 kind of shifted a little bit more to like all right i'm working through this series on sermon

00:32:08.500 on the mount which it just is what it is i just think there's different phases in life you know

00:32:12.060 yeah so how do you guys yeah that's that sounds like a wonderful uh you know divinely appointed

00:32:19.400 little setup that god put you guys together so what how do you guys handle in your studies and

00:32:24.220 your shows um the concept of you know like what's generally called pseudepigraphal deuterocanonical

00:32:30.600 books like the the books that i know we have a the western tradition is 66 books but a lot of times

00:32:39.260 to hear you guys talking about content from books outside of those 66. Matt, are you okay with that?

00:32:45.880 Is that part of your studies as well? How do you guys as a three? Hey, Ontario, come on down to

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00:33:17.520 with iGaming Ontario. I'd say kicking and screaming. I'm just saying it's not really

00:33:25.940 my jam. It's not really my specialty. I've read Enoch. It's interesting, but I just think that

00:33:32.020 we've got our hands full with the 66 books, man. There's so much content there. I'm intrigued in

00:33:37.780 any kind of books that elaborate i mean i guess i've read jasher and you know a handful of other

00:33:42.140 things which jasher is wild i'm like was this just like a comic book of that day like well this is

00:33:46.800 the wildest book it is a wild book right i studied it for many years because i was kind of intrigued

00:33:52.320 in a in a like you know you know razor eyebrow like the rock kind of intrigued you know like

00:33:57.800 like wait a minute what's going on here they're running on top of corn stalks uh you've got you

00:34:02.220 know aug is as big so big that he can pick up a rock that can destroy all two all two million

00:34:07.460 israelites at one time like what's going on here um it just and there were some dates and names and

00:34:13.040 places that i wasn't seeing line up with genesis and so i did some further in research and i don't

00:34:17.800 know if you guys have ever seen any of our previous content on our channel but for years me and some

00:34:21.760 other buddies we do a show called honor of kings and we investigate the manuscript chain of custody

00:34:27.100 history as well as the theological claims from these pseudepigraphal books and our our investigation

00:34:32.380 of jasher got the thumbs down um because it looks to be tracing back just to a talmudic

00:34:39.260 rabbinic literature from the second century a.d with no earlier manuscript chain of custody before

00:34:44.460 that and there's so many theological contradictions with the actual canon of 66 you know we we're not

00:34:50.540 like an official council or nothing but like uh we don't we don't grave any credence to the old

00:34:54.940 school councils anyway because those are just a bunch of men that got together as well so but we

00:34:58.920 we ended up giving it the thumbs down because we were like man it's just so many things that don't

00:35:02.360 line up in here it's weird it's making fallacious claims it's making sensational claims that seem to

00:35:07.320 be even more sensational than you read in the book of enoch and you're like why what other christian

00:35:13.280 communities throughout time ever included this and you find out none of them ever did and then

00:35:17.380 you're like oh this is interesting but um but things like enoch and jubilees and the testament

00:35:21.620 12 patriarchs there is an interesting history with those three and all three of those works

00:35:26.060 of literature like thematically and theologically all are congruent with the 66 and with each other

00:35:32.140 and so that's what um we we do pull from those a lot on our videos and our studies of the nephilim

00:35:38.340 and the the watchers that rebelled and you know some of the concepts that we feel give us give us

00:35:43.600 extra details so for example like if i was back in the days you know if i was like in the first

00:35:48.940 century AD, I would be asking questions like, why is Jude quoting from 1 Enoch 1? What's the

00:35:58.300 deal here, right? And I've had people come back to me and say, well, Paul quoted from Greek sex 0.97

00:36:02.700 poets. You can't just take everything they quote from. I'm like, no, no, Jude is actually teaching

00:36:07.560 theology by quoting this. He's actually teaching about the second coming of Christ by quoting

00:36:11.860 this, right, which Christ is all through the book of Enoch. So it's a fascinating concept.

00:36:17.320 Then I found out around the end of the first century A.D. into the turn of the second century, there was a specific rabbi named Rabbi Akiva, and he was the one that decided to, quote-unquote, close the Jewish canon.

00:36:30.300 And what he did was he took books like Enoch and Jubilees, and he didn't call them heretical or he didn't even call them pseudepigraphal.

00:36:37.500 He just said, these are sacred writings, but I don't want the average person reading them, so we're going to leave them out of the canon.

00:36:43.500 and they and he referred to them as what's called the left out books or the outside books

00:36:48.240 so there's an interesting modern day scholar um her name is uh she's like the head of the

00:36:53.440 hebrew university in israel today her name is um i'm going blank on her name my my uh

00:36:58.680 my audience knows guys put it in the live chat what's this uh um dr uh gosh i can't i'm going

00:37:05.300 blank on her name but she doesn't she did a whole speech like this very controversial speech

00:37:09.180 um from her position as uh emeritus of the dead sea scrolls the professor emeritus of the dead

00:37:16.020 sea scrolls and research into this this time period the concept of this uh hebrew history

00:37:20.900 and the hebrew literature and in her speech this was like in 2016 i believe she basically said to

00:37:28.060 all rachel eliar thank you symbol of peace thank you brother rachel eliar dr rachel eliar she said

00:37:33.720 basically like there was a very unique shift in early judaism and first century to second

00:37:40.640 century ed to where they started leaving out books like enoch jubilees in the testament of

00:37:44.800 patriarchs and that's why christian communities still put them in some of their canons but yet

00:37:51.000 the jewish canon closed off and didn't keep them because of this rabbinic decision so like enoch

00:37:56.360 do you have any idea what that rabbinic decision would have been like why yeah because it sounds

00:38:01.560 awfully nefarious right we're going to keep the average person from having access to that what was

00:38:05.280 the the conventional explanation of that the idea the the commonly stated accusation was that the

00:38:11.880 average person is not wise enough to read these oh it's going to cause too much problems with

00:38:17.760 understanding and it's too difficult to explain it and all that it's basically them saying we're

00:38:21.860 extremely lazy teachers and we don't want to go through the details with these people um but hey

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00:38:54.180 agreement with i gaming ontario the more nefarious suspicion of it from scholars is that these books

00:39:00.200 pointed towards fulfillment of prophecy for christ and judaism was clamping down because christ was

00:39:04.720 growing like wildfire and all in disciples christ was growing like wildfire and they were trying to

00:39:08.760 clamp down this is why during around that same time they made a final decree to kick all christians

00:39:12.960 out of the synagogues as well and so um but going then starting from that point forward into christian

00:39:19.080 history you start to see like the ethiopian church did include anican jubilees and then the armenian

00:39:24.560 church later included the testament of the 12 patriarchs which also talks about the days of

00:39:29.120 knocking giants and rebellious angels and taking women and wives and all that kind of stuff and so

00:39:33.020 it's fascinating to me because fourth century ad here comes this this guy named augustine which

00:39:38.760 i'm you know i'm i'm the least fan of augustine like of all the church fathers i think he was a

00:39:43.980 problem i think he should have taken out bat and beat with lashes that dude should have been like

00:39:47.680 removed from the public discourse he just caused a whole bunch of theological issues

00:39:51.180 and he's the one who started this narrative that you hear from some churches about the sons of seth

00:39:56.920 he's the one that started this narrative because he he did not like a literal spiritual interaction

00:40:03.140 of spiritual beings with the earth because he came from a previous manichaean background which

00:40:07.920 is a gnostic philosophy background the gnostic philosophy doesn't believe the spiritual world

00:40:12.120 can interact with the physical world and so he didn't like what genesis 6 was saying very clearly

00:40:17.560 saying he didn't like the idea that job wanted to identify the benaiah as the sons of god and not

00:40:24.200 sons of seth or none of that not so he creates this other narrative to reinterpret it in the

00:40:28.620 same way he tried to reinterpret the story of adam and eve and he said that was just allegory

00:40:32.840 that wasn't literal completely ignoring the genealogical record of genesis 5 genesis 11 and

00:40:37.640 you know so like so he had some issues you know i do a deep dive study on my channel with the

00:40:43.560 church fathers and stuff and he had some issues but that picked up over time and now you see it

00:40:49.180 most prominently taught from the Southern Baptist Association and the Southern Baptist

00:40:53.900 seminaries, the Sons of Seth theory.

00:40:56.240 And we actually, we interviewed a Baptist pastor and yeah, it was the crux of the argument

00:41:03.200 or the interview was basically Sons of Seth versus Elohim.

00:41:07.880 And he just had based, his reasoning was like, yeah, I just don't believe that.

00:41:11.020 And that was it.

00:41:11.400 It was just, I disagree.

00:41:12.200 I was like, well, look at the translation here.

00:41:13.500 Look at Psalm 81.

00:41:14.720 Look at this, look at this.

00:41:15.420 And he's just like, yeah, I disagree.

00:41:16.580 And I was like, all right, cool.

00:41:17.400 We'll just move on.

00:41:18.280 he's mostly concerned about gay people not being able to be redeemed that was his yeah that was his

00:41:22.700 whole back i actually have a question for you um we recently came across uh some of josephus's

00:41:27.600 writing and he was writing around i don't know like what like 70 ad or something like that right

00:41:33.060 around the time when the book of jude should have been uh penned as well did you say josephus

00:41:38.080 josephus okay yeah because he was a like 130 to 150 historian second century okay so um and uh

00:41:47.700 the book of jude should have been written around 80 right that i'd have to look it up but i think

00:41:53.680 so okay similar it's not it's not one of the earlier ones it was one of the later ones

00:41:57.760 yeah right right they use the same phrase for uh in jude 10 when they're talking about

00:42:03.720 brute beasts uh that they they know naturally as brute beasts and those things they corrupt

00:42:09.240 themselves but when josephus uses brute beasts he's talking about uh like animal human hybrids

00:42:16.380 kind of stuff and it just leaves me to wonder i don't know much about josephus or the veracity

00:42:21.440 of his writings but people claim that he has some of the best historical context of the things that

00:42:27.100 happened within the new testament because he's writing we've got them in the j section here i

00:42:32.020 don't i don't read much of josephus i've read a little bit but we've got them in the j section i

00:42:35.840 forget which which book it was uh it's got a main book do you know anything about this though i've

00:42:41.820 heard interpretations from revelation along that line where they take the first and second beast

00:42:47.100 and they try to say well references to the first beast uh implies within the greek and implies

00:42:52.640 some sort of hybrid some sort of uh mixture uh creature versus so like in the book of enoch the

00:42:59.700 the usage of the word beast is for a person who's lawless basically someone who's rejected god and

00:43:05.140 is living lawlessly and then the the concept of a person like in the allegory in first enoch the

00:43:11.000 allegory of all the animals. It's like the original animal farm. George Orwell, you absolute

00:43:15.960 plagiarist. Basically, it's like the animals become men once they trust God and start walking

00:43:23.760 with God in this allegory in Enoch. Whereas the beasts who reject God, they're considered beasts

00:43:30.900 who are lawless. And so some people will take that for like a Daniel translation when it talks about

00:43:35.480 a man of lawlessness or the lawless and then the second Thessalonians. And then I've heard other

00:43:39.440 people try to infer that it's a different greek word used in revelation for the first beast

00:43:43.460 to imply some sort of hybrid so i just i've just never found definitive like studies to prove one

00:43:50.620 way or the other yeah because this we on street bible we did a well a read through the not a read

00:43:56.660 through pretty thorough uh dissecting of the book of jude and that one uh verse 10 always stood out

00:44:02.080 to me i'm like that's not it doesn't sit right like the the vocabulary in it never uh sat right

00:44:08.120 with me like i i've always looked back at and said what do you what do you mean by that and what

00:44:12.220 exactly because this book is loaded yeah it is like especially why'd you guys would you guys

00:44:17.340 handle or how'd you how'd you handle how'd you come to a conclusion on when jude mentions uh

00:44:21.960 satan and satan and michael arguing over the body of moses which is from the testament of moses

00:44:28.460 testament i have no idea this is the verse before it so well yeah what is that about

00:44:32.440 right i don't know i've never read it in the testament of moses i've just seen references

00:44:36.080 to it i've never read the testament of moses but it was just like i don't know i don't know it's

00:44:41.000 like the more intriguing thing is like why did they argue over does the does the testament of

00:44:44.920 moses get into that sean it supposedly has the story that it doesn't say the why but just it

00:44:50.600 just is the reference that jude gives if they were arguing over the body now i could just in my own

00:44:55.400 imagination come up with a ton of reasons why satan would want that body and want to fool people

00:44:59.300 you know claim he resurrected or build an image to his likeness and have people worship it you know

00:45:03.880 as if modern day Judaism doesn't already worship Moses. But, but,

00:45:08.120 but the point is like, I can imagine a ton of reasons why it would,

00:45:11.860 but it just doesn't definitively say, because ultimately he's not,

00:45:16.880 I don't think Moses has ever described as any kind of special genealogy of any

00:45:21.080 kind. He's not like, you know, he's not like a Nephilim. He's not like a,

00:45:25.500 you know, or a base angel or nothing like that. So,

00:45:28.620 but it's interesting because the Testament of Moses, you're like, well,

00:45:31.680 that's not in anybody's canon throughout history.

00:45:33.760 What's going on with that?

00:45:35.060 You know what I mean?

00:45:36.080 So when you make statues of Moses,

00:45:37.780 sorry to interrupt,

00:45:38.580 like the statues,

00:45:39.580 he has horns on his head.

00:45:41.280 And I don't know what that's about either. 0.85

00:45:44.920 Are those like in the middle East? 0.73

00:45:47.260 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:50.780 What for,

00:45:52.080 first of all,

00:45:52.440 I would say that anyone that's making an idol to Moses hasn't read the Bible

00:45:55.600 and they're just clearly adopting their bad mentality and trying to honor

00:45:59.700 Moses.

00:46:00.160 Right.

00:46:00.300 but secondly the horn concept that they would put on certain statues was to signify rulership

00:46:06.780 so this is why like you know you um this is why in my opinion daniel is making such a do about the

00:46:14.320 little horn that's being referenced because he's the one who actually is the most important to

00:46:19.080 look at even though he's got a little horn because he is a ruler whom others who's who's taking over

00:46:23.880 other kingdoms and nations so um sorry go ahead i was just going to say but that concept of

00:46:30.160 you know, worshiping like something good, like we already have that, you know, the serpent made

00:46:37.240 of brass that Moses put on a pole. Like we have that story where he did that and anyone who looked

00:46:41.540 upon it would be saved. And then you get into like, it must be one Kings or two Kings or one

00:46:45.980 or two Chronicles somewhere in there that they were worshiping it. Now that Israel was worshiping 0.71

00:46:50.460 that actual pole. And then was it Hezekiah that said, called it Nehusiastan. I think it is something 0.81

00:46:56.720 like that he said yo this is just a thing of brass this is just a thing and he destroyed it

00:47:01.220 but so like you could see where yeah they had the actual body of moses you know yeah who knows what

00:47:06.780 they would have did with it well it's like they supposedly have the the severed or the skull of

00:47:10.960 of mary magdalene or the body of nimrod somewhere yeah yeah yeah well i mean there's a bunch of

00:47:16.320 these things that yeah they make supposedly yeah john the baptist was his foot or his hand

00:47:21.080 yeah one of the one of the five footers hands yeah and then it's in a museum and they worship

00:47:26.320 it yeah yeah you mean like pickled pig's feet in the hood have you ever seen like a foot that's

00:47:33.460 right quarter quarter for you this whole school carnival oh no yeah and then they're they're

00:47:40.580 worshiping it uh let me see if i can find this mary magdalene skull you've never seen this image

00:47:44.480 man well i mean guys this is this this is like mankind this is what the unclean spirits influence

00:47:48.940 mankind to to behave as i mean we've got dudes praying to a wall in israel and you've got you've 0.92

00:47:54.680 got muslims walking circles around a box and playing to pray into a black stone right did 0.83

00:48:01.060 you guys know by the time we have a stone has a history by the way what's the history of it is 1.00

00:48:06.880 it supposedly uh uh that it fell from the sky no yeah yeah so not only do we have a first mention

00:48:12.780 of in acts 19 but there was a roman emperor in the third century ad his name was el gabala and

00:48:19.020 he was from syria and he actually came became a roman emperor and tried to force out zeus or

00:48:24.420 jupiter worship and replace it with the syrian sun god el gabalus whom el gabala was the guy's

00:48:31.160 name who became emperor and he was the high priest to the god el gabalus the syrian sun god and when

00:48:37.180 he took over the roman empire he tried to force out jupiter worship and replace it with his god

00:48:41.900 right because he was the high priest who was god and it caused a huge stir he ended up dying

00:48:46.060 shortly because people turned on him but the point is he had a parade for the four years he

00:48:50.960 was emperor every summer he had a parade with the black stone on a cart that he carried through the

00:48:55.260 city and and that worshiped the black stone and he brought that there was a temple to that black

00:49:00.780 stone in syria which which was an arab settlement anyway there's a whole history there there's a 0.98

00:49:07.160 whole history of that stupid black stone and this is where um people literally are worshiping rocks 0.98

00:49:12.420 like this is what the unclean spirits will cause you to devolve into it's absolute uh profound 1.00

00:49:17.980 stupidity you know where you're worshiping a rock it's a weird time because right now you have uh 0.98

00:49:23.060 candace owens and and nick fuentes right they're like these big kind of characters that aren't 0.99

00:49:29.120 necessarily in our space like this kind i mean they're they're within catholicism they're not

00:49:33.920 in conspiracy but they've been going in that direction lately and you know not only has uh

00:49:38.960 candace owens been kind of introducing people to the idea of like uh astral projection and and uh

00:49:44.640 reptilians time travel etc which i i'm curious more so less about those topics and more so about

00:49:50.720 the audience that that's reaching now who wasn't really getting that before and um i saw nick

00:49:55.520 fuentes talking about you know the rock and and how well the you know the the muslims were taught

00:50:02.240 by satan that this is a representation of the black cube of saturn that sat like he goes how 0.55

00:50:08.760 did the how did the muslims know that there was a hexagonal storm on saturn's north pole and he

00:50:15.580 goes because satan told him and look i mean if you want to hash out the details of it that's one

00:50:21.020 thing it's more fascinating to me the the audience that this information is reaching it feels like

00:50:28.340 we're in this time it's a cult knowledge that's it's a cult knowledge yeah and it's reaching an

00:50:32.800 audience that previously was entirely unaware of this they're glomming onto these characters

00:50:37.960 because they're compelling political characters so the bar for entry is super low you get in there

00:50:42.940 to have this you know political point of view and all of a sudden they're serving you up this

00:50:46.560 esoteric knowledge and you know everything is just in such flux right now with you have uap

00:50:52.520 disclosure whether or not that's going to happen and uh and you know these epstein files it's like

00:50:56.940 all at once if you want to use you could use the analogy of a veil getting pulled back and i don't

00:51:04.060 know if that's such a great thing because i think the vast majority of people are unequipped to

00:51:08.680 understand these things and i'm not saying that i understand i'm just saying there is a real danger

00:51:13.460 with uh misunderstanding these things or leaning on your own understanding and coming to the wrong

00:51:18.840 conclusions on these matters that was a i guess that's a bit of our crux of argument with

00:51:23.820 alvarino at the time yeah uh it wasn't so much about any of the points he's bringing forward but

00:51:30.700 more about why are you not constantly leaning back or the whistleblowers that you're talking

00:51:38.800 to they're not approaching this research through the lens of jesus christ and you know the answers

00:51:45.320 that we got back from him were i i'd say largely unsatisfactory but i don't even know i don't want

00:51:49.140 to control your show and like steer it in a weird direction no but i understand what you're saying

00:51:54.460 yeah i heard candace talking about how she was relaying a conversation she had with charlie

00:52:01.420 about how they both astral projected and didn't know what it was and that kind of stuff and

00:52:05.060 and i'm sitting there going like why isn't whoever because i believe candace has become

00:52:09.980 catholic so like whoever is her bishop needs to sit down with her and start to explain to her hey

00:52:14.280 you know if this is something you did experience previous in your life this is not something

00:52:19.120 we want to promote now right because this is definitely not not something we want to be

00:52:23.140 teaching christians that is should be normal will be thought of as normal um so yeah i think that

00:52:27.460 there's um i i just don't know how how involved when people say they become catholic i don't know

00:52:32.280 how involved they are with their bishops or priests or whatever for counseling guidance you

00:52:36.300 know i don't know their structure um but i think it's interesting about the overload of information

00:52:41.060 that you're talking about especially like with the epstein files it reminds me of a of a quote

00:52:45.260 from george orwell's 1984 by the way i know it's not scripture but i love that book um because i

00:52:50.080 it was like one of the first books i read as a kid that really impacted me but there's a quote

00:52:54.060 he says in here when he's trying to like dissect and explain uh the the overflow of knowledge

00:53:00.380 leading to less sanity yeah and he says and the quote is in general the greater the understanding

00:53:07.160 the greater the delusion the more intelligent the less sane and so this is yeah this is a

00:53:15.080 concept where they're like oh you want you want to know what all the elites are doing you don't

00:53:19.800 know what the the ways of the world you don't know behind the scenes mechanisms that drive reality

00:53:24.080 here's all of it you're not going to understand 10 of it here's all of it in fact as you grasp

00:53:29.920 to understand because we're not going to give you the context we're not going to give you the

00:53:33.220 connecting details that make that make sense and so as you grasp for understanding with all this

00:53:38.120 overload of info you're going to sound crazy yeah and meanwhile they just push their own narrative

00:53:42.700 Well, that's the thing that I'm worried. So, you know, that great context that you're talking about, that great connective tissue for me was Jesus Christ.

00:53:50.980 It was the thing that pulled all of these conspiratorial elements into a frame that that made a lot more sense.

00:53:57.380 And I wonder for all these people who aren't grounded in Christ now, there's there's there's one form of, let's say, following Christ where you lack still the framework to incorporate this into it.

00:54:10.320 And then it throws your faith into flux.

00:54:12.080 And that's something that I'm concerned about, you know, during this time, the New Age points to this time where there's going to be a consolidation of religions, a falling away from Christianity and the multitudes of religion, and then an adherence to one conglomerative religion that's typically under some sort of what alien presence or something.

00:54:30.440 And I think it's fascinating that we're on the on the cusp of that right now.

00:54:33.300 I also think it's fascinating that 1948 was written, well, it's written between 1945 released and 1948, bulk of the work done in 1948, and 1947 to 1950 is a really interesting time period for America when we're talking about all of these things.

00:54:50.620 The conspiracy writ large, everything in the Epstein files was kind of developed, and I mean, from our knowledge, from 1947 on.

00:54:59.000 that's when you have scrolls is that time period is the implementation of israel you name it whatever

00:55:04.640 the truman doctrine everything happened at that cia starts right after that yeah it's yeah it's a

00:55:10.820 weird it's a weird time but the other thing that uh concerns me you know obviously right like you

00:55:15.660 said with more information it's it's it's not exactly wisdom uh and understanding that comes

00:55:20.680 with it it's it's it's more confusion typically and i think if you're going through this whole

00:55:25.440 conspiracy avenue as i have for a long time if you're not constantly allowing yourself to admit

00:55:32.040 that you don't know anything because every time something is revealed to you it's only a revelation

00:55:36.960 of how much you didn't understand previously therefore you're probably in a constant state of

00:55:41.380 not understanding the whole picture if you can stay grounded in that and not lean on your own

00:55:46.100 intellect and not imagine that you know beyond what the average person does then you might be

00:55:51.180 able to have some sanity through this if not if you begin to believe that your own intellect can

00:55:56.580 carry you to the finish line i do really believe that that's what leads to madness but what happens

00:56:00.600 when you have a revelation that not only causes confusion but it causes um this spiritual

00:56:07.860 negativity to fall upon you in other words we're showing to you the horrors of mankind which by the

00:56:13.680 way is that's the world right and it's always been that way you go through the bible they've always 0.82

00:56:18.180 been worshiping fallen gods they've always been sacrificing uh you know humans children there's

00:56:23.440 been uh slavery and all these horrific things that have taken place the world is in a constant

00:56:28.360 state of that and so all that's happening now is it'll be revealed to you that that is still the

00:56:33.000 case um but these things are going to what they're going to evoke we were just talking about this

00:56:38.460 with ed mabry on the last episode we did right before we came here um sadness fear anger rage

00:56:44.920 right and these things are this is what demonic entities things that are in the spiritual realm

00:56:50.920 that are in opposition to god they want you to be in this state if you're not grounded in christ

00:56:56.360 in a real meaningful way and you're going through this the the information overload creates that

00:57:02.720 madness and the the the spiritual heaviness of all this i mean i don't think that um people say

00:57:11.200 they want the epstein files and i'm not saying that you shouldn't know the truth but i'm just

00:57:15.500 saying if you're not grounded in christ and if you've not been aware of this for some time i was

00:57:21.580 blessed to have come upon these these elements when there wasn't like a real sense of urgency

00:57:27.180 i would not want to find it all out at once i don't think that well even in the occult they

00:57:34.120 that's why they have you know the the degrees right the degrees of knowledge that they teach

00:57:38.540 And then within their initiation ritual, you learn by degree because they know the average initiate can't handle all of it.

00:57:44.700 By the way, guys, did you know, I don't know how often you guys delve into the Septuagint translation, but there's actually in Deuteronomy 2317 in the Septuagint, it actually mentions initiates, which I thought was fascinating.

00:57:58.380 so um it basically just it like the mesoretic text which is the most predominant text most

00:58:03.840 most of us read in english um it it says uh you know do not let your sons or daughters become

00:58:09.500 prostitutes and uh do not let your men be um what does it say i think they don't know what the sons

00:58:14.140 of israel yeah let me just go ahead and read it real quick but it's um it's fascinating because 0.96

00:58:20.360 it completely leaves this part out but you have to read the septuagint to see it it's in dm 23

00:58:25.040 verse 17 and um and i do believe it's talking about the secret initiation cults um so it says

00:58:32.720 in the masoretic no no daughter or son of israel is to be a shrine prostitute and that's all it

00:58:37.000 says just that one line but if you look at the masoretic it says um it says there shall not be 0.51

00:58:44.880 a harlot of the daughters of israel and there shall not be a fornicator of the sons of israel

00:58:48.760 and there shall not be an idolatrous of the daughters of israel and they're not and there

00:58:53.000 shall not be an initiated person of the sons of israel initiated person well what what do we

00:58:58.800 learn from jamie dyer about about the the females in in these temples in these pagan temples they're 0.90

00:59:04.220 like prostitutes but they're also almost like priests there's like a weird overlapping yeah of 0.97

00:59:08.800 yeah idols here and then you just said fornication as well which is a word that i was trying to 0.98

00:59:13.760 explain to matt poorly that fornication doesn't doesn't necessarily mean uh sex outside of 0.54

00:59:19.600 marriage it's speaking of a spiritual sexual sin which is i mean read the epstein files it seems

00:59:25.340 like what they what the elite it was a part of their i'm going to address what you're saying

00:59:30.560 plus the question in the comments here it's a part of the ancient idol ritual worship which was it

00:59:35.900 wasn't just simply they brought a vow offering of grain or a lamb or something they did those two

00:59:40.520 but then after they gave their offering to that god they engaged in libations and usually drug

00:59:45.820 use and then some sort of sexual activity whether it was with the male or female prostitute whether 0.99

00:59:49.640 it was an orgy in the back room or whether it was eating or drinking children's blood 0.99

00:59:53.520 or sacrificing their own child for for prosperity so like it was the whole thing was nasty but

00:59:59.560 many of them they had a a ritual called leaping over the threshold and you see this mentioned

01:00:04.680 in uh i think it's um i want to say it's in either first kings or or first chronicles but there's a

01:00:12.220 or maybe it's Isaiah. I can't remember the exact address right now, but there's a, there's an

01:00:16.220 ancient concept about leaping over the threshold. And that was a part of the initiation into the

01:00:20.860 cult. And I don't know how much study you guys have done on Freemasons, but that is literally

01:00:25.100 their first and second steps to be initiated as a Freemason is they claim that once you step over

01:00:31.280 the threshold into their Masonic temple, you are agreeing to all the things that you're about to

01:00:35.840 be initiated into. And it's literally, I think there's something like that tied in with, was it

01:00:41.180 with Dagon because they took the was when they took the Ark of the Covenant back they put it in

01:00:45.540 the same uh section with Dagon the fish head and then boom that he fell over it's interesting though

01:00:50.120 because in the spiritual realm everything is based off of consent but you give consent dude

01:00:53.980 what are you talking about another thing I did kind of want to uh go back to a little bit though

01:00:57.940 we're talking about like all this release of this stuff and all this information and this overload

01:01:02.000 of information in Psalms 1 it talks about like um the counsel of the ungodly and I just think we

01:01:07.660 live in a day and a time where we just all have to be so mindful about the counsel of the ungodly

01:01:12.300 because it's not necessarily what you would call like good or bad counsel right like you just have

01:01:16.820 all these dudes it could be joe rogan it could be the guy elon musk it could be laird hamilton if

01:01:22.740 you're into that kind of thing or goggins or cam haynes it could be these dudes it's like good

01:01:27.580 maybe it's good for your life or whatever but it's still the counsel of the ungodly and we just have

01:01:31.840 to be mindful of like balancing that out with like the counsel of god right like that's the main

01:01:36.980 thing right now is as we're all this information is just being downloaded on to everybody just

01:01:41.600 like keeping it in the context of the word of god and this is why we keep matt on the third seat

01:01:46.580 because we will spin off into crazy and it's so easy to do if you don't have this uh this firm

01:01:54.080 foundation or this center stone that you can go okay we have to come back to that yeah like we

01:01:58.720 can touch the edges a little bit but man don't go too far and make sure you get back to to stasis

01:02:04.380 You know, with this release, though, I don't think that they they necessarily want people to be uninitiated. I think that they are making great efforts to initiate the public. It seems like a lot of what they hope to do in the occult or let's say even within the intelligence agencies in their operations like MKUltra and things like that. People are familiar with that.

01:02:24.320 They hope to do it at scale. And so what you see happening in, let's say, a Masonic lodge or what you see happening in in an intelligence agency, you know, sterile laboratory environment, they do hope to implement that at scale, you know, to the masses.

01:02:42.780 And I think that with the with the ritual that that allows you to sort of like they use Jacob's ladder as their analogy for climbing the rungs of ladder.

01:02:51.240 And this is, you know, each one represents a new level of gnosis.

01:02:56.320 They do that to us, but they do it through media, mostly, I would say.

01:03:01.440 Now, they do it through the Super Bowl. Yeah. The Super Bowl is a great example.

01:03:04.560 Large traumatic events. Right. Could be a trauma sort of loose harvesting thing.

01:03:09.520 but i also think you know the the the twin towers for example representing like the divine feminine

01:03:15.580 and the divine masculine you know they they become eliminated and then what is erected instead is is

01:03:20.380 one tower this joining of the the genders it also is a multitude of other things like most things

01:03:25.840 in ritual are but it's it's we're subjected to it at scale so yeah the super bowl you might be

01:03:32.820 exposed to like let's say the last super bowl they did quite a bit of like divine feminine symbolism

01:03:38.260 right and and it goes over the vast majority of people's heads i do wonder about the subconscious

01:03:42.740 um that goes back to the deuteronomy uh in the septuagint that you're pointing at

01:03:47.500 this uh the idea of prostitution in the temple is worship of the divine feminine it kind of

01:03:52.160 always goes back to isis or i forget the other names of the gods that were being deified in 0.71

01:03:56.580 these temples astartes was the female uh fertility god that's right with oftentimes worshiped alongside 0.98

01:04:04.280 on bale or el the it's funny too because these uh these divine feminine kind of you know goddess

01:04:12.060 uh archetypes what they typically will you know it espouses a female liberation but when you look

01:04:18.480 around there's like prostitution and sex slavery and everything and it's it's funny how those things

01:04:22.000 go hand in hand because the same thing happens in the west now what you think is like the the height 0.99

01:04:27.360 of the the feminist movement and and this you know divine feminine female liberation thing often 0.95

01:04:33.320 results in some sort of uh you know sex trafficking prostitution and these things are

01:04:39.060 are uh presented in some ways as like sexual liberation it's just funny the language of

01:04:44.920 things is almost like spellcasting which is really what the exodus 32 chapter that we broke down uh

01:04:50.340 last week or the week before like moses comes down the mountain and they got the golden calf

01:04:53.900 and then it says that they're like in the king james i think it says that they're like uh eating

01:04:57.920 and dancing and playing something to that extent sean could probably understand that a little bit

01:05:02.400 more than we do yeah look up the definition of that word play yeah that had to be some sexual

01:05:06.960 uh thing to a false god specifically right yeah they they did worship bill 100 now there's a

01:05:13.300 you know i i'm what you would many people would class me as what you would call tour observance

01:05:17.800 just because i i try to observe the sabbath and eat clean but um a group here just finished

01:05:24.100 started to cut you off but that but that's a group we have every friday same thing man and

01:05:27.780 They had it. They had it. Um, there was actually a feast here last week. It's not, she said it's

01:05:32.340 not a biblical feast, but it's something that's celebrated now. Do you know, do you know what

01:05:35.500 that was? Would have been last Friday? Hmm. No. Okay. We have a group every Friday that

01:05:43.060 Lisa rules and top's been to it too. Top likes it. She teaches like, uh, the biblical calendar,

01:05:49.160 the feast days, the, you know, the appointed times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure

01:05:54.260 what calendar she's on if she's doing a feast last friday other than just the weekly sap because

01:05:59.700 because leviticus 23 calls both the weekly sabbaths plus all the yearly feasts it calls them

01:06:03.780 all feasts of god and holy convocations but um but basically like i uh in in that community of

01:06:12.400 people that you know would be classified as that um they often um i just went blank what were we

01:06:19.320 talking about guys sorry you were torah observant and we were talking about how we have a group here

01:06:23.820 that does it uh every week too no i apologize it was something that's um i think divine feminine

01:06:29.500 we were talking about that earlier and and how that's uh oh yeah you're talking about exodus 32

01:06:33.460 yet so there's a there's a some prominent tour based ministries that for about a decade or more

01:06:39.520 have taught a different interpretation of exodus 32 and we we strongly disagree with it because like

01:06:44.560 i do a lot of historical research on these false gods and the golden calf that they built at the

01:06:51.340 base mount sinai is 32 is another representation of the apis pool it's another representation of

01:06:57.540 baal that egypt did worship baal there's an entire exodus 14 bales of fawn there was an entire temple

01:07:03.200 um on top of the mountain overlooking the bump the place of the red cross the red sea crossing

01:07:08.240 this interchangeable with hathor well hathor would be the female personification of the consort to

01:07:15.200 baal so like they would call their wives consorts and then they would make up a whole bunch of them

01:07:19.460 have different personifications of them so i don't know if you're are you familiar with this

01:07:24.260 phenomenon that's taking place right now it's it's prominent within the uap community um but

01:07:29.260 there are characters ryan bledsoe and chris bledsoe uh it seems like they're they're moving towards

01:07:33.700 disclosure i know we've been saying that for quite some time but what's fascinating is these guys are

01:07:38.560 um loud voices within the uap community and they have a message recently to deliver and it is that

01:07:46.640 uh ryan bled so the father is in communication with something that he calls the lady and the

01:07:52.120 lady he is telling people is mother mary but she goes by multitudes of names one of those names

01:07:58.940 being hathor which i think is is fascinating super red flag huge red flag but yeah i do think sean

01:08:07.220 that it's actually going to play if we do end up going to this place where we see ufo disclosure

01:08:11.200 um the divine feminine the goddess and if you think about our culture and and where we've

01:08:17.580 gotten to with the feminist movement uh the feminization of men the the masculinization

01:08:22.200 of women um i i feel like in some way shape or form the groundwork is kind of being laid for

01:08:28.780 this phenomenon a lot of abductee experiencers will talk about the lady um for example ryan

01:08:36.760 bledsoe it's actually kind of horrifying what he's been through if you believe what he's been

01:08:39.940 through but he says something to the effect of he was beset upon plagued effectively by grays for a 0.97

01:08:45.760 while and then what ends up happening is in a good cop bad cop sort of scenario he meets the lady

01:08:51.220 and the lady is you know loving and very similar to um uh what's this guy's name with the uap

01:08:58.200 recovery jake barber jake barber who's recovering this egg-shaped uap this takes place like last

01:09:03.300 year it's on the news and uh he says in the interview about the recovery of this uap

01:09:08.400 that is suddenly he's filled with this spirit of this woman

01:09:12.960 and it feels loving, overwhelming amounts of love,

01:09:15.920 like a goddess is how he describes it.

01:09:18.060 And I think this character is going to come play a part in this,

01:09:21.100 but in a good cop, bad cop sort of scenario,

01:09:23.780 she exposes to Ryan Bledsoe in his own testimony

01:09:26.660 that she controls the Greys and that she can make this stop.

01:09:32.120 In this experience, he's also shown his family, I believe, murdered.

01:09:36.400 And so there's this element of fear.

01:09:38.200 There's this element of if you don't go forth and spread this information, you know, then this is something that could happen to you.

01:09:45.160 So now he's out here and he's saying to people that this is Mary, which is interesting because it kind of brings into question the Fatima experience, you know, where Mary supposedly shows herself to multitudes of people.

01:09:56.620 I think it's like 7000 people. And and there's even an element of a craft, a spinning silver disc that's involved in this scenario.

01:10:06.800 Somehow there's and this could be one of the huge downfalls with idol worship.

01:10:12.500 I know that the Catholic Church came out not long ago. I don't know if this is still standing, but they called Mary co-redeemer alongside Christ.

01:10:21.020 This is a huge problem if you're idolizing Mary, Queen of Heaven.

01:10:25.180 right um if you're idolizing mary and all of a sudden something slips in and not to say that

01:10:32.700 something couldn't impersonate christ i do think that that's a real uh you know real threat for

01:10:37.000 people there's all kinds of ideas like pleiadian jesus and and new age jesus and this and that

01:10:42.060 um but it's just another hole in the game if you're engaging in idol worship if mary is your

01:10:46.980 idol of choice and a thing comes down posing as mary also going by the name uh ishtar which is

01:10:53.420 one of the names that that um ryan bledsoe gave and hathor uh as well as mother mary and the lady

01:10:59.180 so it's a it's a bizarre phenomenon but it's this divine feminine yeah that is consistent with the

01:11:05.000 ancient uh depictions of of of isis and hathor and ishtar that ishtar would just been like the

01:11:11.660 equivalent of isis or hathor in fact i've in my best game babylon series i actually have a few

01:11:16.840 segments where i show the historical connection where you know historians secular historians

01:11:22.400 actually admit that there is a syncretism between hathor and ishtar and so because there was a

01:11:30.580 prominent narrative within academia for many years trying to trying to segment like oh the

01:11:35.520 canaanite gods are different from the egyptian gods and they were different from the greek gods

01:11:38.880 but then in the past 20 years they've finally come out i think we talked about this in one of

01:11:43.740 our previous interviews but they finally started to come out and say okay no there's a ton of

01:11:47.460 syncretism here like they're calling a different name because they speak a different language but

01:11:50.980 the god personifies exactly the same thing to each culture they worship in exactly the same way

01:11:56.340 you know i mean so like well what's interesting about hathar and isis is that not only are they

01:12:01.220 a feminine goddess personification of the consorts of ra but they're also have a different person

01:12:09.720 isis and hathor has a different personification to be the eye of ra which i think is fascinating

01:12:16.140 and this is where again i know you guys are busy i don't know if you have a chance to actually

01:12:19.660 finished my best game Babylon series speaking of information overload that's why we did 21 parts

01:12:24.140 because if I were just to give the person the last end of the series at the front of the conversation

01:12:29.860 it would be 10 hours of me backing up and trying to explain context right so I put all the context

01:12:35.420 out in 21 parts in our series and basically try to and it leads to Hathor and Isis and the

01:12:42.120 personification of the eye of Ra and how the Egyptians used to view that and why it's such a

01:12:47.020 fascinating concept in my opinion about the alien disclosure that i think they are going so here's

01:12:52.840 my opinion guys i don't know if i shared this last time and it's okay if we disagree this is

01:12:56.400 my opinion for my studies i do believe there's gonna be an alien disclosure soon and i don't

01:13:00.820 think it's going to i think it's going to be a good alien good alien right they're going to portray

01:13:06.440 it as i think that the the entity that they're going to introduce to the world has been subtly

01:13:13.700 shown to us in all forms of media video games movies tvs all kinds of stuff um one of the more

01:13:20.700 popular personifications of this i think we've seen as the traveler in destiny and he's the good

01:13:28.860 alien represented by a sphere who shows up to help to warn us about coming bad aliens and getting

01:13:36.100 getting the planet ready for the coming bad aliens but i don't and so there's i believe and

01:13:43.700 this is just like i said from from my study from listening to things that the elites are trying to

01:13:48.320 publicly talk about and what they where they plan to take culture and society um i believe that

01:13:53.500 they're wanting to actually have a a generation if not more 50 to 70 years of actual integration

01:14:01.140 with this disclosed good alien, quote unquote, good alien, whom we get used to. And a whole

01:14:06.960 generation of children grew up with this thing already here, interacting with it, being consulted

01:14:12.520 by the elites of the world, the presidents and dignitaries of the world. But it's in a spherical

01:14:18.440 craft in the sky. And this is the same spherical craft, the mana, that I believe was the eye of

01:14:26.460 raw in ancient egypt that's interesting i i kind of also has control over other unclean spirits

01:14:33.480 just like isis did so matt matt's obviously missed our last couple of episodes and he's

01:14:38.960 not familiar with your work but these vamonas are uh indian vamonas like you see and you still

01:14:44.260 see them on the temples and stuff yeah i don't know usually you just keep your head under the

01:14:50.020 well no i just like to let you guys teach me stuff and pretend like i don't we don't teach

01:14:53.820 do anything sometimes i'm pretending sometimes i'm not well i do look at the scenario the most

01:14:58.900 likely version of of unfolding events is one of like acclimation long-term acclimation yeah i

01:15:03.960 hadn't considered 70 years is that yeah i think he's right i mean it's taken 70 years from the

01:15:08.700 1950s till now to acclimate us with the technology that they've been putting in place wait is that

01:15:14.120 what sean's saying is that like we're at the end of the 70 years well no he's saying that if this

01:15:18.920 thing arrived it would take that long would take seven years generations that's my theory

01:15:24.180 shout out to jack yeah um yeah he said childhood's end and that that's a a book by uh who who is that

01:15:31.560 arthur c clark and stop reading the chat uh well no it's actually where i was going and jack crushed

01:15:37.100 so um you know i i only watched it because i can't read but in that series uh which i think is

01:15:43.840 available on amazon um you know there there is this introduction of a species the species doesn't

01:15:50.100 disclose itself but but it does introduce technologies um and systems to create like a

01:15:55.800 veritable utopia uh over i think that it's a much shorter period than 60 70 years it's like

01:16:01.020 a four-year period i think but in this humanity goes to a rapid development all these systems

01:16:08.260 all these technologies you know it creates a scenario where even though humans have not seen

01:16:14.220 the entities the entities have communicated with them through politicians etc and it promised to

01:16:19.760 reveal themselves at a certain date but during that four-year period they gain the trust because

01:16:23.980 why wouldn't you trust them they've you know uh ushered in heaven on earth and then of course

01:16:28.640 by the end of it um when they do reveal themselves they're demons so you know it's i i'm expecting to

01:16:35.220 see something very much like that and this is a big issue that i'm having lately where there are

01:16:41.060 people i mean you know we had right now everybody's a lot of people are aware we had a contention with

01:16:46.360 timothy alvarino but outside of alvarino it's his position that we have an issue with the position

01:16:52.260 is that uh linking these things to demons is a mistake and and and you know alvarino got on our 0.99

01:16:59.900 radar because he was specifically saying if you believe that aliens are demons you're an idiot 0.89

01:17:04.640 now now that is a almost fair he didn't say he used our he did he used the word that we patent 0.99

01:17:10.100 pended it's our word yeah it's our word how dare you um now you know the issue with that is if you

01:17:16.220 were to say what is a demon and you took it within the the context of the book of enoch and you say

01:17:19.860 it's a disembodied spirit of a deceased nephilim and and then started to make the argument from

01:17:24.800 there that a gray or a pleiadian or any multitude of the the alien species that are supposedly out

01:17:30.460 there are not that they're not a disembodied spirit of a nephilim then maybe you could have

01:17:35.660 a conversation but the way that it's framed i think from a from a guy who has much more nuance

01:17:41.800 to offer one time is all right two times is it was coming up again and again and again he was

01:17:47.460 making rounds on shows he was tweeting about it and and it got to the extent where i'm like this

01:17:52.220 is a a strange straw man to drag around the internet it just didn't make sense to me it

01:17:58.540 wasn't helpful to the conversation because he wasn't adding that nuance not on his tweets or

01:18:02.900 not anything else like that he was just beating up this straw man and my issue is and i wonder

01:18:08.620 what you think about this sean if somebody were to look at the alien phenomenon at large doesn't

01:18:14.760 matter the multitude of entities that are inhabiting it or that are at play and they said

01:18:18.620 that's demonic i'm not going to follow those things whatever they want i'll not be involved

01:18:24.700 with it i'm following my lord and savior jesus christ what do you make of that person well they're

01:18:31.280 they're definitely um they're either extremely deceived you know they're intellectually uninformed

01:18:38.240 biblically uninformed or they're being pressured by outside forces to maintain a narrative that

01:18:43.280 goes oh no no i'm sorry i mean i mean the individual who sees the aliens and calls them

01:18:48.500 demonic and wants nothing to do with them okay well then that's an informed biblical person

01:18:52.740 because like this is actually in ephesians chapter 6 verse 10 through 12 but literally in the greek

01:18:57.460 it tells you yeah this is the the cosmos kratos is the the realm between the land and the moon

01:19:03.460 where the unclean spirits live like this would you would you call that the second heaven too

01:19:08.140 would you refer to it like that or yeah yeah judaism refers to um that as a second heaven

01:19:13.820 so to speak it's like the upper atmosphere if you will beyond the the clouds and that's like

01:19:19.260 I'm a little different, guys, and this is where I'm going to run into probably, I don't know how you guys feel about this, but Timothy's whole argument is completely done the moment you apply the definition of a firmament, biblical firmament, and you get away from this heliocentric model because that's not what the Bible describes.

01:19:35.320 So I want to have a loving discussion or debate with Timothy because it'll be nothing but two hours of frustration for him because I'll be forcing him to hold to biblical definitions of words and not made up, invented, philosophic definitions from modern science.

01:19:52.120 So again, the Bible teaches very clearly abortion is murder, abortion is wrong.

01:19:58.240 The world screams abortion is okay, everyone should do it, right?

01:20:01.560 the bible teaches very clearly sexual morality outside of marriage is wrong the world screams 0.60

01:20:09.140 go on a go on a swingers cruise right like right the the world in every category is constantly

01:20:15.780 saying the opposite of what the bible says and when it comes to how creation was described they're

01:20:20.680 also shouting the opposite of what the bible has been saying this whole time so i'm actually a

01:20:25.340 weirdo because i'm a biblical cosmologist i do believe the bible gives us a very explicit with

01:20:30.360 over 500 mentions um explanations and contextual definitions of a creation model that is that is

01:20:37.580 doesn't involve um you know the the the stars in the sky being rocks in the void and a void of space

01:20:45.140 but instead they're actually points of light put inside of a ferment to shine down upon the earth

01:20:49.100 as the bible describes so we're actually in enclosed in time right seasons yeah yeah we're

01:20:54.420 an enclosed creation and that's what's fascinating about the book of enoch he literally gets a tour

01:20:58.460 of this created enclosed model including how the seasons happen how the wind comes into our

01:21:04.160 enclosure all these things like it's all explained and it's very logical like it's very like the you

01:21:09.560 know the creator created mechanisms by which the sun moon and stars move the winds move the seasons

01:21:14.620 move it even tells you the the the doors called portals in the ancient language of which there's

01:21:20.360 12 of them around the firmament that lets in different types of winds that creates the seasons

01:21:23.720 so like it's it's a fascinating very functional thing that can be actually replicated and built

01:21:28.960 the model that we're taught as kids cannot be replicated or built the model that like i've

01:21:35.140 went to a physics professor at a university and i said sir can you point me to an experiment that's

01:21:40.140 been done like a peer-reviewed academic experiment that's been done where there was a a gas chamber

01:21:45.060 where they you know removed they create a vacuum chamber and put a spinning ball in it and put

01:21:50.000 water on the side of that spinning ball and made it just showed you wooden doors right it made it

01:21:54.160 all function and he looked at me and he goes so you want to you want a vacuum chamber with the

01:21:58.800 with the ball inside of it that's spinning with water sticking to the outside of the ball inside

01:22:03.220 of a vacuum chamber with all the air pulled out he's like that's impossible i said yes and that's

01:22:07.880 what is told to us where we live that's that how yes and he's like what do you mean only instance

01:22:14.560 of that the bible describes we're living in an enclosed firmament everything is created with

01:22:18.800 order like there's you know gas pressure for a reason you need a container for gas pressure so

01:22:24.180 anyway it's a that whole context of the bible disrupts alberino's argument that there's you

01:22:31.160 know alpha centauri aliens coming our way from four million light years away yeah now if i if i

01:22:37.740 were to play in the playground of his argument i would it would still be undercut because we have

01:22:41.920 a plethora of biblical uh explanation that the spiritual realm interacts with the physical realm

01:22:46.600 all day long yeah oh he doesn't even accept it it seems that that's why spiritual realm that's why

01:22:51.360 we got stuck for 45 minutes on like our aliens demons but once he mentioned the spiritual realm

01:22:56.460 and he's talking about the symbolic nature of what the prophets are experiencing as angels i was like

01:23:00.660 i got a big problems with that i was i was cool to let him slide with and explain himself but i'm

01:23:05.120 like i'm looking at five scriptures here that talk about the description of the of the seraphim over

01:23:09.460 thousands of years and you're saying that no it's just symbolic of the time period it can't be yeah

01:23:15.960 Yeah, it was a bizarre experience because I think what we found out in the end is he has a vested interest in being close to disclosure, which is another thing that makes me feel like we might actually be there because it feels like a lot of people are kind of moving into their positions and accepting their narratives and and trying to cozy up next to whoever's associated with this or that.

01:23:34.080 And he's taking pictures and he's smoking cigars with Elizondo. Elizondo is is an intelligent asset. For those who aren't familiar with him, he's the guy that was the lead character in the recent Age of Disclosure documentary. And he's probably right now that the government approved mouthpiece for disclosure. He's the one that they want us to take seriously as they frame the narrative.

01:23:52.260 And, you know, this is a guy that's bought out fake pictures of UFOs as evidence and then been exposed that the pictures were obvious fakes.

01:24:01.440 And, you know, you'll find Albarino defending the guy in one word answer.

01:24:06.900 Someone said, why should we take Elizondo seriously when he's ruined disclosure as a as a serious topic by, you know, bringing fake photos?

01:24:15.600 And he literally said, so?

01:24:17.780 It's actually very funny today.

01:24:19.360 uh well or maybe the other day rogan on his show says that yeah i have hosted ufo disinformation

01:24:25.580 agents i'm pretty sure that they're disinformation i was like i wonder who you're talking about yeah

01:24:28.860 yeah look there's lou alizando standing next to him and then him and alizando are taking

01:24:32.900 pictures together smoking cigars together uh him and timothy alvarino so i i think what actually

01:24:37.100 happened there is we uh accidentally disrupted a government narrative well to be honest sean i

01:24:43.640 think what happened is he he saw us being loud about the aliens and demonic connection because 0.84

01:24:48.920 those stupid glasses i did happen to also i dress like him i dress like indiana jones and i mocked

01:24:54.100 him and he got upset about that but um i do think there was a massive overlap between what people 0.98

01:25:00.480 identify as the alien abduction phenomenon and demonic encounters and you know the the paralysis

01:25:05.580 the unbelievable feeling of doom the uh the inexplicably bright white lights uh the fact

01:25:11.620 that they flee at all in the name of jesus christ yeah i was gonna mention that that's

01:25:16.640 believable they're not fleeing at the name of shiva they're not fleeing at the name of zeus

01:25:21.340 they're you know only christ i think what ended up happening there is because he asked for a debate

01:25:26.720 he asked for a debate a multitude of times actually to which we said no because i didn't

01:25:30.920 think there was anything that worth discussing there and um and he kept asking for it and i

01:25:35.300 think what happened is we're getting close to this season of disclosure whatever that's going

01:25:38.920 to look like whenever that's going to happen and um and i think he picked some guys to do good pr 0.98

01:25:44.040 with you know we we um present in in many ways as crass kind of arrogant idiots and i think that 0.99

01:25:54.120 he selected us because to put a a beating on us because we are we are crass and to put a beating 0.99

01:26:02.880 on us would have been great pr for him but instead instead we read the bible and we were like wait

01:26:07.380 what does that say yeah yeah some of that stuff was a little tough man no spirit realm was just

01:26:13.240 was just tough man like and then just just just like most basic definitions like you can't define

01:26:17.480 the spirit realm okay but i mean the most basic terms like it's where god lives you know it was

01:26:23.140 like what do you want to call that you know like we're if we're going to call it the hyperspatial

01:26:27.480 realm like that's cool but that's not found in the scripture he didn't want to call it anything

01:26:30.400 it's just weird to have these new ideas and phrases you know from the bible that's that's

01:26:37.120 the bigger problem i've seen permeating actual major christianity most churches in christianity

01:26:43.220 is a is a ancient gnostic interpretation of um what well the gnostic interpretation would be

01:26:50.820 that the supreme source who created the poroma to make everything within our creative reality

01:26:55.800 that that supreme source is outside of our creative reality and outside of time and space

01:27:00.720 outside of physical physical matter right and that's the ancient gnostic view and that got

01:27:05.980 perpetrated by pretty significant church church theologians throughout time and it is a dominant

01:27:14.100 view like i've interviewed pastors on my channel where i asked them where's god

01:27:17.180 and they just look at me like i don't know and i'm like well okay let's just slowly walk through

01:27:23.660 this you believe god exists and they'll say well yeah okay and they'll say well what which what

01:27:29.720 are you talking about the holy spirit the father the son i'm like oh it's just about the father

01:27:32.840 right do you think the father there's a father sitting on the throne like it says in psalms and

01:27:36.340 revelation and other places and they'll say well it it says that he sits on the throne i was like

01:27:43.620 wait yeah does he actually sit on a throne where's god what is god real and you'd be surprised

01:27:51.260 brother how many other pastors i've talked to on my channel that that will admit i've debated them

01:27:55.780 they're very vitriolic hateful pastors even i've debated them that will say oh well the bible

01:28:01.120 shows us a manifestation of the father holding the scroll in revelation five that jesus walks

01:28:05.700 up to and grabs but he's not really there because god doesn't really exist god is just an energy

01:28:11.700 and god doesn't really exist he doesn't have an actual form or a body because that would be

01:28:15.740 some out limits in him it goes against something called divine simplicity which is a theological

01:28:19.280 construct a philosophic construct of theology so they this is taught in seminaries i don't know

01:28:24.980 your history must be it right that must if if you know that's like a one-off thing it's like a

01:28:30.720 common thing that it must be being taught somewhere and you're saying what what is the

01:28:33.660 origin of it like what like i'm telling you the origin of it is it's called divine simplicity

01:28:38.100 it goes back to neoplatonism from the third century but it really is pulled from plato

01:28:42.380 from the seventh century bc it's just that's why they call it neoplatonism and it's the

01:28:46.440 variances of gnosticism mixed in with it which which basically says the father who is the

01:28:52.060 ultimate creator of all things doesn't tangibly actually exist yikes yes i'm yeah it's crazy to

01:28:59.520 think of because there's so many descriptions in the in the bible about the father actually having

01:29:04.780 like he has a he shows moses his backside but not his face yeah and i've asked a pastor so what did

01:29:10.220 moses see right there and they'll say oh he he didn't see he didn't see and actually the back

01:29:14.160 of the father that's just what he thought he saw yeah and then how extremely limiting of of human

01:29:18.860 beings like this is this is another problem with albarino it's like you think to understand how

01:29:23.060 this word like well show me your scientific thesis that's been proven as to why this is

01:29:27.040 bring your receipts yeah bring your supernatural receipts you think as a human being that's dressed

01:29:32.060 like indiana jones to understand these things like is god physical if he wants to be is he

01:29:38.200 everywhere at the same time yeah yes everything so i think there was something supernatural

01:29:42.880 happening when they were shouting kali ma and they were pulling his heart out of his chest

01:29:46.780 like that was something supernatural you know um he also believes that the the garden is allegorical

01:29:53.680 so yeah he's he's in lockstep with all these ideas he's he's 100 he's he's gotten i don't

01:29:59.200 know if he went to seminary but it sounds like there's a lot of people that have been seminary

01:30:02.780 trained that have been influencing did you watch his old stuff we're about the same age man like

01:30:07.080 his old stuff was like so good i made raven watch it it's like these ancient civilizations and

01:30:12.220 ancient ruins and like yeah it was fascinating stuff like did you ever watch the old stuff

01:30:16.100 yes but not more than once so i really couldn't quote it or or like point you know my video so

01:30:22.060 my issue was like so you know i was saying aliens are demons right and it's like once again to hash

01:30:28.220 out the details is almost useless right to the to the person the experiencer that's going through

01:30:32.500 this if you believe that they're demonic you're in way better standings than if you are kind of

01:30:36.780 pondering the nature of them and what what is a demon and what is the spiritual realm it's like

01:30:41.600 no cast it out in the name of christ all right that's going to work but like or if it doesn't

01:30:46.080 i mean prayer and fasting like prayer right whatever the case may be it is in opposition

01:30:50.480 to the kingdom of God. It does not have your best interest at hearts and it will deceive you. So

01:30:54.040 he starts asking for a debate after I start mocking him. And I decide I don't do debates,

01:31:01.180 but like, I am mocking you. I've ordered an Indiana Jones outfit off Amazon. I might as well

01:31:07.580 at least like be a man and step up and, you know, have this conversation about my ideas versus your

01:31:12.640 ideas. And so I go, you know what, let me learn about this guy a little bit more because I only

01:31:16.920 am peripherally aware of him i've seen some of his appearances on podcasts matt shows me these

01:31:21.100 documentaries in the documentary he talks about how the vatican is gearing up for this big

01:31:25.580 disclosure alien disclosure deception and that you know uh tom horn or steve quayle one of the

01:31:32.000 two says it's the great deception and then timothy alberino says i'm afraid the antichrist is going

01:31:37.160 to emerge from this and i go the antichrist if the antichrist was going to emerge from something

01:31:41.880 and i said that that something was demonic wouldn't we be in agreeance wouldn't you look

01:31:47.320 at me and be like yeah dude pretty close here's some more information but you're like over the 1.00

01:31:51.840 target that's not what he's doing instead he's saying if you believe this you're an idiot which 1.00

01:31:56.700 is like people that i i i was called an idiot i was called an idiot by pastors um literally i was 1.00

01:32:03.920 i was called a a blasphemer or a heretic an idiot um i was i was called a disrespectful to god 0.99

01:32:10.720 because i actually believed that the bible said that he has a real form and exists and can interact 0.92

01:32:16.520 with mankind yeah and they thought that was just ludicrous right which which means he's a spirit

01:32:21.560 because you know john four right got a spirit right so if we're talking about the interaction

01:32:25.980 between the physical and the spiritual realm and if there's any any reality of continuity there

01:32:30.040 well the bible shows it everywhere like satan himself is a spirit like he's an angel he's not

01:32:35.120 he wasn't born of the dirt of the earth he was he's a spiritual being hebrews 114 but yet he is

01:32:40.260 talking to jesus taking jesus to the top of a really high mountain right like he's up there

01:32:46.700 with jesus on the top of the temple trying to get jesus to throw himself down like you're trying to

01:32:50.920 tell me that that's not like a physical interaction like how did how did he how did he take jesus up

01:32:57.500 to the top like just the very concept of demon of demonic um uh infestation or a possession

01:33:04.820 is a physical reality that is a spiritual entity that has physically taken over the faculties of a

01:33:11.860 physical entity like there is a there is a and and the whole concept of saying there is no

01:33:17.920 correlation between or there is no spiritual realm and there's there's no correlation there

01:33:21.540 and that that these ufos would have to only be of the material world just completely ignores the

01:33:26.720 concept that we ourselves are a mixture of the earth and the spirit genesis 2 7 like in isaiah

01:33:34.440 26 19 we're talking about the resurrection it says the earth will give birth to departed spirits

01:33:39.800 that's us well and we did bring up like the two king six passage where elisha's servant comes out

01:33:46.220 right like he comes out early in the morning and it's like yeah this spirit realm if you will in

01:33:50.200 this natural realm they're just overlapped it it seems like all the time they're just overlapped

01:33:54.720 it's there it wasn't like they traveled some distance to be there it's just all of a sudden

01:33:58.980 the servant's eyes were open and then boom you could see it but it was always there yeah it was

01:34:03.920 it was a bizarre uh conversation where things got really strange because you'd imagine i was

01:34:08.860 confused by the time that he said the antichrist was going to come from this i'm like we're

01:34:11.740 speaking the same language i don't know where the disconnect is i go on them age of disclosure

01:34:16.240 happens it's this government propaganda piece about you know what what's going on with the

01:34:20.720 uap phenomenon and i watch it with the audience and then we become aware that alberino has done

01:34:27.240 a review of it so we watch that with our audience torture it was a terrible pure torture it's a

01:34:32.020 very boring thing i mean if you're aware of what's going on with like the uap thing but we love our 0.54

01:34:36.800 audience we love our audience so we'll do that for you so what ends up happening is in the age

01:34:41.140 of disclosure they do mention christianity in a very brief moment and that is around the 20 minute

01:34:46.880 mark or something like that where they say lou alessandro i believe says that he goes within the

01:34:50.700 pentagon there's an old guard of superstitious people who are halting progress by calling ufos

01:34:56.720 and aliens demons or devils and they're they've been standing in the way of the progress but

01:35:01.320 we've gotten past that now and that's all they say which is you know to me in my opinion a small

01:35:05.860 seed that's planted a seed of doubt who's calling these things devils and demons christians no right

01:35:11.560 i mean christ believers are calling these things devils and demons and so the collins elite they've

01:35:17.720 got whatever the case is but but you're you're putting pieces together subconsciously you connect

01:35:21.540 those dots if you're an atheist or you're agnostic but you love a sci-fi and you go wow look we're 0.98

01:35:27.220 almost there but these old religious a-holes are standing in the way of progress well then those

01:35:32.420 old religious a-holes are probably christians later on when i watch alberino's review of it

01:35:37.480 it's a it's a tip it's an exact list of everything that was in the documentary

01:35:43.360 and he doesn't give his opinion on anything really except for that except for that where

01:35:48.240 he echoes the sentiment i agree these people are standing in the way of progress they mean well

01:35:54.480 but they're misguided and i'm going wait wait wait why is he why is he saying that because

01:36:01.280 because in my estimation it was a a seed that was planted through a piece of propaganda right

01:36:08.060 christians stand in the way of progress and now he's saying the same thing this whole thing is

01:36:14.440 is is bizarre to me so the entire by the time i get there sean i'm in a really weird headspace

01:36:20.840 because typically I'm you know I'm not like that I'm not combative I'm not adversarial with people

01:36:25.680 but I now have this feeling that this guy is doing something that is massively detrimental

01:36:31.680 to anybody who's going to arm themselves against what I estimate to be a demonic force

01:36:36.680 it's a demonic force this isn't like a game this is a thing that they want to do they want to do

01:36:41.680 disclosure they want to introduce us to these entities they want to fool us about their nature

01:36:46.960 and you're helping that and so the whole thing becomes very strange by the time we have this

01:36:53.360 conversation and he never gives me by the way a sufficient answer sean we go through the whole

01:36:57.560 thing he he filibusters for 95 of that entire episode um and i don't know he just uh he he

01:37:04.340 never gives you a an outright answer of it he he gets hung up on definitions he speaks for so long

01:37:12.300 and so many platitudes that you you come away if you're only kind of paying attention peripherally

01:37:18.440 that he's intelligent and that you should be paying attention to him because he's using great

01:37:23.360 vocabulary and he's he's referencing so many things he does a thing where he goes for so long

01:37:28.520 he minimizes the amount of questions you can ask and then he makes so many points that it's

01:37:32.920 impossible to address even just one and the vast majority of the points that he makes are not even

01:37:38.060 answers to the very pointed questions and accusations that we have for him the email i

01:37:42.300 sent him read very specifically we have a minor disagreement it should take about 20 minutes of

01:37:48.660 the show the way you just told us in the pre-show i want to have like you want us to give our

01:37:52.900 testimonies 15 20 minutes cool we're all conscious see the clock right there i think we kind of

01:37:59.180 filled that space in now we're talking about other things brilliant right there's an idea for a show

01:38:04.520 that's what i told him and i also gave him bullet points over things that we can cover

01:38:08.280 interesting topics i'm like i don't i don't think we could really disagree for an hour and a half

01:38:12.440 on this one thing he disagreed with us for two and a half hours on one thing and i still don't

01:38:18.040 know what he thinks it's bizarre it was really bizarre yeah that was the the people in the

01:38:22.880 comments overwhelmingly came away saying i don't know what his points were which is weird and then

01:38:28.340 of course after it was over he looked really bad um and then he denounced us as christians

01:38:34.980 well first he accused us of doing what i'll just so he's doing what blurry creatures does and not

01:38:39.740 releasing not not going to release this episode and yeah that was really weird over and over again

01:38:44.740 he accused us of not releasing the episode when we set that up from the very beginning though

01:38:49.780 when he when he started saying giving you a hard time about the patreon stuff and saying will this

01:38:54.240 whole thing be available he was setting that up from the beginning yeah this will be available

01:38:58.560 right this will go this is going to be available it's already available it's live oh it's live

01:39:02.040 well yeah from the gate he did that which i think is another debate tactic because what he's done

01:39:07.300 is he's put us on the defensive and he's come there to like have this argument with us if we're

01:39:13.180 on the defensive and we haven't even gotten to the point of contention yet i now have to work to get

01:39:17.500 to a neutral place where i can then go on the offensive so it's i really think all that was

01:39:21.820 was just a setup to try to get us you know off our foot but yeah we explained a question yeah

01:39:27.500 quick question in his past work did he ever uh talk about his view that he thought like

01:39:32.300 the demonic realm was real and spiritual realm was real that i don't know i don't remember any

01:39:39.200 of his old stuff like i mean the minute when i heard that like um winged angels were just symbolic

01:39:45.600 like specifically seraphim and cherubim like if you're just saying like common angels that we need

01:39:49.020 to be mindful of because you could be entertaining angels unaware when you're entertaining strangers

01:39:53.400 and all these times they show up and they're clearly look just like humans the entire book

01:39:57.920 of enoch which he teaches from yeah there's clearly these uh entities if we want to use a

01:40:03.780 general word angel you know they're seraphim they're cherubim they have wings six wing cherubim

01:40:09.700 and isaiah six are flying around saying holy holy holy you know to say that that's symbolic

01:40:14.940 like I think I would have caught that back in the day.

01:40:17.360 I don't,

01:40:17.680 I don't ever remember anything like that.

01:40:19.540 And I don't ever remember anything.

01:40:21.460 Yes.

01:40:21.960 No,

01:40:22.180 that wasn't mentioned.

01:40:24.040 So I don't think so.

01:40:25.160 I don't think it's in any of his old stuff.

01:40:26.720 No,

01:40:26.920 it wasn't mentioned,

01:40:27.640 but sorry,

01:40:28.840 good.

01:40:29.900 I'm just saying like in,

01:40:30.740 in his book birthright,

01:40:31.640 he does start,

01:40:32.280 that's when he kind of starts to go down that narrative.

01:40:33.960 And that's around 2019 when that book is released and probably written,

01:40:37.900 you know,

01:40:38.340 around 2018.

01:40:39.500 Interesting stuff in that book.

01:40:41.400 Interesting.

01:40:41.760 And which I told him,

01:40:43.060 I said,

01:40:43.320 I agree.

01:40:43.620 i like the book up to about 70 of it where he starts to go a little bit off the rails with uh

01:40:48.540 the idea of you know same thing if you think aliens or demons like completely misguided you

01:40:52.820 have no idea what you're talking about so that's right around the time frame that he's painting

01:40:56.280 this narrative and then from then i watch him uh you know you do big big shows on mainstream

01:41:04.200 sort of mainstream channels sean ryan's a pretty mainstream daily wire sean ryan uh glen beck

01:41:10.780 you know michael knowles things like this and you're pushing this same narrative and then i

01:41:14.800 see you hanging out with lou elizondo and i've got to ask some questions which i don't even

01:41:18.580 really care about we've looked from the side and said hmm seems strange my whole thing was just

01:41:24.680 who cares why would you separate this phenomenon when there's so much overlap well my thing is why

01:41:28.980 do you why do you seek out why do you seek out the people who are like we're like low-level people

01:41:35.820 just talking about it yeah you can talk about it on your large shows well that's the difference

01:41:40.100 guys i want to encourage you that you're not quote-unquote low level for long you guys are

01:41:44.500 growing and you're doing you're doing engaging content and you know you're running the marathon

01:41:49.580 of youtube and you're going to do well like you guys are going to have a huge channel in five

01:41:52.720 years that too and he's trying to head off opposition early um but at the same time for

01:41:58.100 the people asking the comments guys we're not trying just to sit here and have a bash fashion

01:42:02.160 on alvarino this is actually us as christians looking at another christian researcher talking

01:42:06.860 about this topic and going why the narrative change or is it a narrative change or is it just

01:42:12.240 we finally reached the end of his understanding and now he's running into contradictions and

01:42:17.600 doesn't know how to handle it publicly you know because he's always held this this uh internal

01:42:23.680 narrative but it never came up in interviews because he was always able to talk about other

01:42:27.500 things but here we go you guys brought up this specific narrative that he doesn't really have

01:42:32.440 a good answer for it and got revealed and now it's looking really weird it's looking contradictory to

01:42:37.620 his previous work it's to me none of it makes sense that he's a proponent i've seen multiple

01:42:42.400 interviews where he's he's quoting first enoch like it's like it's canon like it's scripture

01:42:47.600 you cannot believe angels are symbolic and be quoting from first enoch you are in utter

01:42:53.600 contradiction as a person promoting god's word and a true history of rabais angels to say that

01:42:59.660 angels are symbolic and aren't real entities yet you you're trying to quote from first enoch it

01:43:04.200 explicitly their main characters in first enoch like they're the main characters explaining to

01:43:09.620 you how they interact with mankind took wives had children taught mankind all storms of tomfoolery

01:43:14.400 and all sorts of uh the destructive corruptive practices invented idol worship with their sons

01:43:20.760 like there is no more stronger correlation between spiritual beings and earthy beings

01:43:27.620 than first enoch so well you can't maintain this narrative that oh these uh these entities that are

01:43:35.500 teaching that are afraid of the name of jesus christ that lead people off into demonic experiments

01:43:40.000 that resembles bell worship by the way with all the butt stuff and then try to say that oh these

01:43:45.540 are not demonic or these are not in associated with occultic activity and there is no spiritual

01:43:50.560 uh there's no spiritual ontology of them they're just physical beings look this is where i know

01:43:57.160 you guys mentioned this to him and i don't think he really addressed it i think he kind of sloughed

01:44:00.340 it off but you talked about this the sleeve right the the concept of like well what if clear the

01:44:06.440 ufos are physical crafts what if the people piloting them are just they are demonic characters

01:44:13.340 but the the occultist found a way to create a sleeve for them to interact with in the physical

01:44:18.140 world right it's uh it's a it's a host organic material body that they can actually because

01:44:24.600 clearly they can overtake the faculties of our organic material body and puppet to tear us

01:44:30.600 around and throw us against walls and make our heads turn around backwards and you know i'm

01:44:35.100 saying and like they can clearly do demonic things with our physical reality so we know that they can

01:44:39.640 create android-like bodies with with lab-grown materials so it's not out of the realm of even

01:44:46.680 modern science to say that the occult and the the shadow governments of the world have already

01:44:52.860 created a host body for demons to try to interact in the physical world again biomechanical can i

01:44:58.000 ask you a question and maybe david could actually like uh bring bring about this point a little bit

01:45:02.440 more clear why in why in the jeffrey epstein email is he uh talking to somebody asking him

01:45:07.340 to create debate talking points that differentiate aliens from demons this is this is really bizarre

01:45:12.920 i didn't hear about that yet so jeffrey epstein in these in these files and you have to take these

01:45:18.760 with a grain of salt right now we are not saying he was on an island i'm not saying that no no

01:45:24.380 albarino was on an island i'm more concerned with the people who are also carrying water for this

01:45:29.800 narrative so in this file uh one of these email files it's an exchange between epstein and um

01:45:37.200 and lawrence krauss and what he's asking lawrence krauss to do is to create a debate an argument

01:45:44.600 it seems that epstein is wanting to diffuse any connection between three things specifically

01:45:51.980 he says aliens ghosts which ghosts i would say are demonic entities masquerading as embodied

01:46:00.120 some things disembodied some things demonic in nature though i would say sure um masquerading

01:46:04.940 as loved ones masquerading as lost children you know you name it and the third element

01:46:10.380 is out-of-body experiences which if you remember to the uh debate that we had there was a lot of

01:46:16.880 conversation about near-death experiences where people are going is it the spiritual realm what

01:46:21.900 is the spiritual realm where are these prophets having these experiences is it in a dream state

01:46:26.900 what is that state look like and he's trying desperately he's asking him to create a debate

01:46:32.700 to separate these things why would you ever want to separate them when there is so much

01:46:38.600 in common there's so much overlap between the spaces that these things happen in

01:46:43.100 the sensations that one goes through the patterns that emerge from one experience to the next you

01:46:47.760 have to you have to if you if you wanted to see what's coming the people from what is coming if

01:46:53.860 you don't want them to think along these lines along these spiritual biblical lines then when

01:46:57.600 when i present you with biblical fact you have to deny it along scientific terms this is the 0.95

01:47:03.280 position that he was put in by people who were dumb yeah and look i gotta address it too i see 0.52

01:47:09.880 somebody in the chat says i suggest you people not slander tim we've only said exactly what has

01:47:14.720 happened and it's not anything that i've not said directly to him i'm asking questions i'm not saying

01:47:20.760 he's knowingly running some narrative that epstein is also concerned with i'm saying what is the the

01:47:28.340 birth of this idea and why does it lead to a place where not only is epstein curious and and vested

01:47:34.860 in achieving the same you know argument right success in the same argument let's separate these

01:47:40.660 elements and why is alberino saying it and does it have anything to do with the fact that it seems

01:47:45.400 that epstein also was very interested in uap disclosure that's something that we've been

01:47:49.360 talking about on the show it's something that's come out through the files and alberino is finding

01:47:53.700 himself as maybe let's say it looks like he could be some sort of uh representative of christianity

01:48:00.080 to help christians understand this thing because he's got you know he's got a billionaire backer

01:48:04.820 which is not at all a condemnation somebody with money is fascinated in your work well lucky you

01:48:11.280 you must be doing a good job right i don't know somebody thinks you're doing a good job and they

01:48:14.320 have money but if that person wants to see a specific angle take place in in uap disclosure

01:48:21.680 And let's say that person is maybe exhausted a little bit with the old guard of superstitious people that are calling this demons and devils and would love for somebody who's charismatic, who's well-spoken, who's respected in the community to express their already preconceived notions of these things are not demons.

01:48:40.000 Well, maybe you would help that guy.

01:48:41.600 That's not even a conspiratorial thing.

01:48:44.360 That's just like how a relationship works, right?

01:48:46.280 You've got a buddy.

01:48:47.360 He's a billionaire.

01:48:48.480 He probably knows a guy or two in this space or that space.

01:48:51.420 Maybe he can get you on the Sean Ryan show. Who the hell knows? It doesn't have to be a nefarious plot. The billionaire backer doesn't even have to have a nefarious agenda. You might just be carrying water for a thing that's nature. You don't understand. And you should look over maybe and see that Epstein is trying to formulate the same argument that you're going around making, you know, making the rounds on various podcasts doing.

01:49:12.320 i will say why the hell am i saying that i'd like to address the the chat if we want to talk we can't

01:49:17.920 understand him long enough to understand his faith level to find out his faith level i don't know he's

01:49:21.680 the kind of guy that just tells everybody not to associate with us because he's already judged our

01:49:25.600 faith level and he already knows exactly who i am he's called he said we're not christians he's

01:49:29.600 warned people he's called other content creators so that ship has sailed yeah we're just going to

01:49:34.260 say what he told us in the interview but by the way everything everything that we're talking about

01:49:38.660 is in their interview with him this is kind of like this part of the conversation is kind of a

01:49:42.720 recap in what he admitted publicly which is why it threw it through people like sideways like

01:49:48.460 wait a minute what how how are you making this statement as a christian as someone that goes to

01:49:52.040 first enoch as someone that was talking about this this whole time and now you're making these

01:49:55.360 statements that these are not spiritual entities that they're all physical material entities like

01:49:59.740 this is a very naturalistic evolutionary view a modern scientific view and this is not like a

01:50:05.700 biblical view which you have throughout your career promoted yourself to be telling a biblical

01:50:10.960 view and so it's very confusing it's one i disagree with it's he disagrees with our view

01:50:18.440 on this and that's fine but again we didn't seek out the argument or the or the debate

01:50:23.140 this person did so now we will just now we'll talk about it and you guys ever heard of rob

01:50:28.200 skiba oh yeah we're actually going to uh we're going to be on uh his son's show soon um okay

01:50:34.800 cool yeah jeremiah the nation yes keep a nation before we depart from this though i just want to

01:50:39.580 say i don't really care about timothy alvarino i care about a dangerous narrative i want people

01:50:47.620 to be prepared i agree with whether it was tom horn or steve quill who said this this is the

01:50:53.080 great deception and in my estimation this is one of the biggest deceptions that mankind is ever

01:50:59.060 going to be subjected to they've been using hollywood propaganda for for generations they've 0.69

01:51:04.320 been propped up, you know, with NASA and all these Nazi scientists from Operation Paperclip. 0.80

01:51:09.360 I think the fruits of all of these things that take place in like 47 and the early 50s 0.87

01:51:15.720 are this thing that they're aiming at. All I care is about people being grounded in the truth,

01:51:21.900 people being grounded in Christ, people not falling for some Pleiadian Christ or some New

01:51:26.340 Age Christ or some Christ consciousness or something like that. And certainly not being

01:51:32.620 deceived with this advanced space brothers narrative that maybe Hollywood wants to serve

01:51:37.940 us up. And it just so happens that Albarino is a guy that got on my radar who is saying

01:51:42.500 things that lead to those ideas. And I've got a real problem with that. And then when I try to

01:51:48.220 press him on it, he just makes himself look bad. He just speaks almost virtually uninterrupted

01:51:55.120 for two and a half hours. And everybody overwhelmingly comes away, not knowing what

01:52:00.400 this guy is saying and then he denounces us says that we're not christians calls us demons and all

01:52:06.240 this other crazy crap and we've not even said that i've not even said that he's a fed or an operative 0.55

01:52:11.700 or that he's working with epstein or some crazy crap like that or that you shouldn't look at his 0.77

01:52:16.540 work i've not said that i think he's got a lot of interesting things to offer you shouldn't look at

01:52:22.080 any one individual as an authority and the end all be all on any of these topics because they're

01:52:26.820 rather intangible and difficult to understand and multifaceted and complex.

01:52:31.520 Go and look at his stuff.

01:52:33.080 But it's strange to me that after a bad showing, he starts making calls.

01:52:38.480 He starts reaching out to people, telling them,

01:52:40.680 if you associate with them, I'm not going to associate with you.

01:52:44.020 He starts making filibuster posts on Twitter.

01:52:47.460 He's in our comment section freaking out after he blocks us.

01:52:50.600 And we can't even engage with them.

01:52:52.440 But he's doing these giant walls of text, you know,

01:52:55.120 just dismissing us saying that we're not christian saying if you associate with us that you're on the

01:52:59.800 wrong path and this and that that's all strange behavior to me the only thing that i'm sure of

01:53:05.820 in all of this is that it's all bizarre and i don't have any answer i don't know what to make

01:53:10.740 of it but it's bizarre it's bizarre and brother timothy if you're listening to this hi i'm sean

01:53:15.600 nice to meet you uh i would love to invite you to a formal debate with the neutral moderator

01:53:19.960 we can talk about this topic are aliens demonic or are they materialistic and i'd love to give you

01:53:26.440 a fair shot a fair shake with the neutral moderator with plenty of time segments uninterrupted for you

01:53:31.580 uninterrupted for me to present our points we have a moderator back and forth across a civil loving

01:53:35.960 discussion i don't get mad i don't get i don't demonize you and you can you can repair some of

01:53:40.800 this perceived reputation damage that's going on here with this topic with the actual debate so i

01:53:45.940 I just want to invite you to that.

01:53:47.140 You're welcome to contact me at kingdomacontext at gmail.com.

01:53:50.120 I'd love to set that up.

01:53:51.860 So, guys, I find it fascinating, though, that –

01:53:55.540 Bro, I respect that a lot.

01:53:56.780 Sorry to cut you off.

01:53:57.640 I respect that a lot, the way you just did that.

01:53:59.740 You're a solid dude.

01:54:00.720 You're a professional.

01:54:02.100 You're calm, cool, collective.

01:54:03.600 You're intelligent.

01:54:04.580 Why are you taking shots at us, man?

01:54:05.800 No, I would love to see that. 0.98

01:54:06.980 No, I'm just saying, like, this whole thing sucks, bro, with the dude Alvarino. 0.99

01:54:10.080 It does suck. 1.00

01:54:10.740 It does suck, yeah. 0.98

01:54:11.620 I would love to see a dude like Sean who talks, like, clean and clear, calm like that. 0.92

01:54:15.940 and very intelligent and understanding of the Greek and the Hebrew languages and extra biblical

01:54:21.380 text and clearly biblical text and talk through this. I would love to see that. I would love to

01:54:26.220 see it when it was on our show. That would have been incredible, but we didn't get that opportunity

01:54:30.080 and that would be rad if the world got to see that, man. I respect that a lot.

01:54:33.740 It's what we were trying to do, but I guess we're not smart enough to.

01:54:36.960 No, we're definitely not. I had no business debating anybody. I was just a one contentious

01:54:41.180 point that I was super confused about. Yeah, but you try to take down Timothy Alvarino by

01:54:44.860 letting him talk on fetter for two hours how dare you you're a real piece of work a christian i

01:54:49.800 know i'm sorry i'm sorry in hindsight that was the wrong thing to do i should have interrupted

01:54:53.580 so so here's the crazy part what when do you guys think that they're going to disclose

01:55:00.040 actually we've been interacting with aliens i'm sorry two-part question when do you think

01:55:06.440 they're going to do official disclosure to where like press conference this dude's like here with

01:55:12.700 this he's he's real right and two is it gonna be a new narrative like he just showed up or is it

01:55:19.060 gonna be he's been here for a while we're just finally telling you about it it's it's hard to

01:55:23.720 say when because we've all been waiting for a long time um i've been you know uh sort of an 0.99

01:55:30.500 unhinged schizo in this space since like 2006 and back then i was late to the game right there 0.89

01:55:36.660 are people that have been waiting for it for a long time since before me so it's kind of bold

01:55:40.740 to say that we're at the precipice of that now. I would say that the Epstein files, what's happening

01:55:45.840 right now is we're meant to get them, sleuth through them, have the most compelling narratives

01:55:51.120 rise to the surface because of our own falling for the trap of sleuthing through the DOJ related

01:55:55.620 documents. And the public has to get acclimated for that. So there's going to be a period of time

01:56:01.860 podcasters going to have it first. Eventually, the narratives will form themselves. They'll go

01:56:06.580 to the mainstream media the average person who's not in the know will gain access to this information

01:56:11.320 in a more cohesive kind of manner where the you know the story's fleshed out and then after that

01:56:17.000 we probably still have to see see a series of things i think what's likely going to happen is

01:56:20.480 we'll see i'm not trying to black pill that this is not an all a fear thing right my hope is not

01:56:25.220 in the world it's in jesus christ i'm not afraid of these things happening so the world is worlding

01:56:29.300 no big deal it's been doing that but i do think that the american dollar will fall away and there

01:56:34.600 would probably be like a nuclear skirmish of some sort between maybe like an iran or israel and this

01:56:39.620 is not really like these are just things that i imagine we'll see something that rhymes with this

01:56:43.640 that nuclear interaction will be thwarted by the the heroic forces uh that are the the aliens and

01:56:50.620 and they'll reveal themselves that way and it'll be that narrative of humanity needs to mature

01:56:55.100 and and rise up but you've been uh obstructed by these nefarious forces that have taken place

01:57:02.560 in various power structures you know in your world we're here to remove that you've seen that by the

01:57:08.500 way with the epstein files they're drinking baby blood they're doing x y and z that's the old guard

01:57:13.560 they're out i don't know the time frame on that process that's really hard to say i'd say by 2030

01:57:19.460 you think so i mean there's been a lot of you know the agenda 2030 has been kind of a topic

01:57:24.220 of discussion for a long time and it's something that we've forgotten since uh after the pandemic

01:57:28.720 and all that but that that date is still on the table for me and we still have four years until

01:57:32.480 then so i'm giving them four years to do that as far as will they present themselves as uh like

01:57:38.940 we've been here for a long time i don't think well they're talking about a craft that's so big

01:57:43.960 they couldn't move it that they had to build a building around so burleson is saying that yeah

01:57:47.560 it's implied that they've been here but how do you i guess they could say that or they could say

01:57:53.860 oh we just saw what you were doing the last hundred years and stopped you i don't know how

01:57:57.720 they they frame that narrative of yeah yeah we've been watching you guys for centuries uh millennia

01:58:03.460 and say that they're not the gods of old because this uh that's a hard thing the propaganda campaign

01:58:08.480 that we've run up against is kind of pushing against the idea of are these the gods of old

01:58:12.940 like that's kind of what i'm asking yeah isn't that the entire ancient aliens narrative

01:58:17.360 on the history well i think maybe then what that does is it says yeah gods of old pantheon not

01:58:22.620 monotheism not jesus christ they'll probably explain jesus in a pleiadian way he was a hard

01:58:27.420 master that's a hard yeah i think that's what they do they go he's an ascended master everybody has

01:58:32.160 that ability buddha was also one of those characters you reach a certain stage of

01:58:35.440 enlightenment lean on your own intellect your own understanding and you can ascend and become as

01:58:39.920 you know whatever uh gods and so i think they probably acknowledge christ because they have to

01:58:45.940 but they repackage him in a way that new age people sci-fi enjoyers will find more palatable

01:58:53.920 and then christians who aren't grounded well enough in their faith will look at that and be

01:58:57.720 like okay so christ was real that's what all the texts were based off of but we were just kind of

01:59:01.520 dealing with people using limited uh language to be able to explain something and so they missed

01:59:06.720 the mark i get it now he just wears a blue suit and silver boots and so and that's why a few weeks

01:59:12.520 ago you had brought it up and made a big point about the fact that he's a jewish man right that

01:59:17.340 matters his identity matters yes he's from the line of david and and what's important right now

01:59:22.100 is there is a turning of people noticing like the Jews

01:59:27.240 and all their crimes, which if you go through the Bible, 0.91

01:59:29.480 you know, Israel is constantly falling away

01:59:31.840 and coming back and constantly doing crimes. 0.89

01:59:33.840 So, you know, nothing new there,

01:59:35.620 but that's God's chosen people.

01:59:38.460 And if there's a remnant of that body within,

01:59:40.700 you know, whoever is pretending to be Jewish or otherwise, 0.97

01:59:43.980 that's God's people, that's God's problem.

01:59:45.580 But there's this thing that's happening on Twitter

01:59:47.260 where they're engineering people to turn

01:59:49.260 and look at the Jews as if they're the adversaries. 0.99

01:59:51.460 they've been cast out of every country 109 110 times yada yada they're the ones that commit all 0.99

01:59:56.640 the crime they own the this you know nefarious company the pornography which not to go off on

02:00:01.980 a rabbit trail but we talked about this i don't know if it was a show yesterday or two days ago

02:00:05.800 or whatever but just that like that's a new phenomenon dude like it is like in a coffee

02:00:10.000 shop we talk about being the canary in the coffee shop and like we kind of cage society by what

02:00:14.540 gets brought up just israel being bad phenomenon nobody today right not in general oh not in

02:00:20.580 I'm just saying in general, like it wasn't a thing that was pushed on people like through the internet, through YouTube and through whatever.

02:00:26.460 Not in our generation, but yeah, in 109 other instances.

02:00:30.720 I'm just making a point like three years ago, nobody came into the coffee shop and talked about that.

02:00:34.400 Starting two years ago, everybody started to talk about it.

02:00:36.740 Well, now the big thing.

02:00:38.240 In fact, after you guys just said that, I got a notification from my bank.

02:00:41.160 It looks like $7,000 was deducted from my bank.

02:00:44.380 It actually just went to us.

02:00:46.120 God bless Israel.

02:00:46.840 um so i think the straw that's going to break the camel's back may well be the epstein thing

02:00:54.080 if not a nuclear fallout between israel and iran wait what you think it's like right now it's like

02:00:59.120 well because the epstein thing within the files uh is is it is the g word a slur i don't know what

02:01:05.880 the rules are with youtube uh just don't say okay i'm not going to say it but like you know what

02:01:09.540 what would you refer to as gentiles not gentiles it's like it's like that though chef goyardy you

02:01:16.820 know something like that so anyway um they say that epstein says that he calls you know non-jews 0.92

02:01:24.220 that over and over again he says they're just slaves meant to serve israel it's just meant to

02:01:30.720 get people to this critical mass where finally the crimes of the jews are overwhelming and then 0.90

02:01:37.000 we have a nation's turn on all israel type of situation especially if they go after iran and 1.00

02:01:40.640 there's a nuclear war or fallout let me just say man i don't want to cut david off because you can

02:01:44.220 go on and speculate forever and ever i feel like i just like schizo wove a web well because you go 0.61

02:01:49.460 in one direction and you're like if i was a pedophile i can go this way that way this way 0.58

02:01:53.920 and it's like honestly when it comes down to it you just kind of have to trust the holy so you

02:01:57.900 have to ask to be filled with the holy spirit and discernment and for us like we say that we're

02:02:03.120 r-worded and and to me that means that like i'm like i'm clear in a certain way where i'm not

02:02:10.120 having any of these like uh presuppositions that are not from i'm like i'm focusing on god i'm not

02:02:16.020 i'm not leading on my own intellect you can't you can't and and in a way people the world will call 0.98

02:02:20.800 you stupid the world will call you what they call us if you're out of your mind it's for the sake 0.99

02:02:25.420 of christ the world views you out of your mind yeah exactly exactly i want that i want that 1.00

02:02:29.920 retard strength like samson yeah yes by the way people aren't going to look kindly upon christians 0.91

02:02:36.540 if christians truly stood in the way of this utopia that these aliens have facilitated that's 0.94

02:02:41.700 true but i think the point is is that like i don't know which way they're going to go with this but

02:02:46.740 what i do know is that i haven't been wrong yet and i haven't been reading every single word of

02:02:51.580 these files i haven't been with my fingers on all of the political tangents that are going on

02:02:56.920 But what I do is I trust the Holy Spirit. I ask to be filled with it and to be guided. I ask for discernment. That's one of the things that I always want, just the ability to know when BS is coming my way. And I've had pretty good success. I don't want to be like, it's not me at all. It's just something that I ask for. It's something that I want.

02:03:15.420 and i think if we ask for that we'll be guided in the right way and we won't be led astray no

02:03:21.540 matter what comes because i'm sure i'm sure like whatever's coming it's gonna throw us a crazy

02:03:26.440 curveball like something that none of us will see if it's a great deception there's no way

02:03:30.820 i'm gonna be on top of all of it there's just no way oh no dad definitely not i don't it's not it's

02:03:36.360 not me not without god not without god that's why i try to point people back to god's word

02:03:42.080 because i believe he has told us who these people are with a setting which we all live in which which

02:03:48.100 wipes away like 99 of the deception in my opinion and i know this is super controversial

02:03:53.420 if you guys want to cut this part out i don't know how much you talk about this in your channel or

02:03:56.800 not but there is no possible way for an alien invasion and all this fake disclosure and all

02:04:01.460 this nonsense if we live under a firmament and all this is just a false god perpetuating a narrative

02:04:08.340 in a fictional reality mindset to where like so think about this like the ancient cultures they

02:04:15.740 all believed that we were enclosed by a ferment they just described it differently like the

02:04:20.000 babylonians thought it was made of bricks right which sounds kind of laughable right whereas

02:04:24.100 josephus describes it as a crystalline substance like an arch domed crystalline substance which

02:04:30.080 is seems to be what psalms and jobs and other amos and other place other descriptions of it seem to

02:04:35.220 be as well and i'm i don't mean to cut off and be rude like that i'm just new at podcast but i just

02:04:41.500 want to make sure i'm tracking with this and like so would you say then that's like the floor of

02:04:45.260 where god's at though that that same thing you're describing yeah so imagine the biblical description

02:04:50.260 is multiple layers of the word heaven and genesis 1 verse 8 described that the first time we get

02:04:56.940 to introduce the word heaven it is the name given to the structure called the rakia the firmament

02:05:01.400 so the word heaven when we use the word heaven it does denote a location but it also denotes the

02:05:08.360 actual name given to a structure so imagine matt if you built a house you built a seven-story house

02:05:13.840 and then when you're done you step back and you say oh honey look i finished our collection of

02:05:19.900 wood nails and screws no you step back and you say honey look i finished our home yeah that's

02:05:26.500 what genesis 1 8 is doing it looks at the structure that was put in place which is the

02:05:30.840 and then god calls it the heaven which encompasses both the earth and there's multiple layers of

02:05:36.500 heaven above us which are described like deuteronomy 10 14 yahweh is the god of the

02:05:41.440 most high of the heaven of the heavens right there's multiple places in scripture where

02:05:45.980 there's multiple layers of heaven described um the christians and the early christians that i

02:05:51.860 would lovingly i would say um early you know hebrews as well um judaism starts to reinterpret

02:05:58.620 it differently right there's like if you look in the talmud there's rabbis arguing about how many

02:06:03.120 layers of heaven there are and the the traditional view was that there were seven total firmaments

02:06:09.820 right and this is consistent with um the testament of levi found amongst the disci scrolls that's a

02:06:16.120 part of the testament of 12 patriarchs that was included in the armenian canon this is consistent

02:06:20.060 even with irenaeus in the second century irenaeus describes the creation with seven layers of heaven

02:06:27.020 And he tries to give a description of it as if it's the menorah turned upside down with the inner outer branches all creating seven different layers.

02:06:36.420 And we're on the bottom layer.

02:06:38.380 And the layer right above us is encompassed between layer one and two would be the water that's still up there that was separated on day two.

02:06:45.660 The one that flooded down in Genesis 711 when the floodgates were opened, that's where the water came from.

02:06:50.520 There's still water above it, Psalm 148.4.

02:06:52.700 there's still water there like a barrier between us and the light of the sun and the moon coming

02:06:56.840 through it which i think is a wonderful buffer for the strength of the sun's light by the way

02:07:01.400 but that's a whole physics thing and then the layer above that would be where you have the sun

02:07:06.000 and the moon and then the layers above that you have different layers of angelic habitations

02:07:10.760 leading up to the seventh layer which is where the throne of the most high is and so this is why

02:07:15.160 when it says the heavens plural opened at christ baptism this is a significant event

02:07:21.200 when it talks about revelation i explained sean yeah that's a oh fantastic and it didn't take you

02:07:26.140 45 minutes i i got a question i mean that's what that's why they call me the fundamentalist

02:07:30.280 it's so crazy because the idea that we could you could just take it upon yourself to explain

02:07:35.500 something so complex and take three minutes well it means you understand it that's the mark of

02:07:40.060 understanding the i've done whole debates with pastors on this topic because it's so but it's

02:07:44.680 over 500 times it's mentioned described and explained in scripture everywhere where where

02:07:49.220 is it mentioned that there are 12 doors on uh around the earth yeah that's fascinating the

02:07:53.660 winds in first enoch chapter 72 through 82 it talks about the uh the sun moon and stars and

02:07:59.080 they're you know how they move in the ferment above us and shine down on the different courses

02:08:03.420 and seasons they go through then it also talks about the winds and how the winds are let in so

02:08:08.800 imagine your cardinal directions east northwest and south um but doing so from a flat you know

02:08:15.000 like a flat topographical circle of earth that's enclosed by a firmament and then on the east west

02:08:21.340 north and south sides of the firmament there's three portals on each cardinal direction

02:08:25.300 totaling 12 and depending on the seasons of the year one of those three portals in each

02:08:30.800 of the four quadrants is opened allowing different winds in and the angels are in control of this

02:08:35.440 like they're controlling the whole system yeah job i think somewhere in job it talks about like

02:08:40.280 the treasuries or the storehouses of the winds some uh something like that as well because it

02:08:45.440 literally is outside in the same way there's a the whole compartment in job i think it's a chapter

02:08:50.680 38 verse 22 where it talks about the storehouses of hail used for the day of battle which we see

02:08:57.080 used in joshua chapter 10 by the way when yahweh rains down hell and kills more amorites than the

02:09:02.400 israelites even did with that coming up flat earther i know you just love this i can see that

02:09:06.540 We're talking about flat earth right now.

02:09:08.400 We're talking about that.

02:09:09.460 We're talking about that.

02:09:11.600 See, that's the Psy-Up.

02:09:13.400 The word flat earth is the Psy-Up because when you Google that,

02:09:15.620 it shows you a disk of earth with water falling off of it in space.

02:09:19.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:09:20.500 So, like, the whole thing is a misdirect

02:09:22.320 because it's showing you the wrong setting for what the Bible describes.

02:09:25.680 The Bible describes a seven-story house with two basements,

02:09:29.740 basement one and two, Sheol and Tartarus.

02:09:31.720 Pillars, that's an interesting thing brought up.

02:09:33.900 It mimics the idea of New Jerusalem as well, like the 12 gates that are around New Jerusalem, although New Jerusalem is a cube, which is, I guess, maybe this plane is also square, right? I don't know.

02:09:46.380 yeah the the new jerusalem is described as a the size of a small continent like 1500 miles length

02:09:51.760 width and height and it comes down sits between the phrase and the nile and if that were sitting

02:09:56.160 on top of a ball with a 4000 mile radius as we're told it you wouldn't be able to walk up to the

02:10:01.780 gates of the city because it would be 121 miles off the coverage of the earth from a four square

02:10:06.160 city sitting down so it would it would have to like drill down into it would knock the earth

02:10:10.300 off its axis like there would be a whole problem like physics all of the heliocentric math that

02:10:15.180 goes into the garbage can the moment the new jerusalem comes down all the satellites would

02:10:19.820 just run into the side of the new jerusalem because they're only 200 miles up at most some

02:10:23.420 of them are you know like it like the none of it makes any sense guys the the the eschatology this

02:10:30.360 is why when i have pastors on an interview and do debates and stuff i always try to get them to talk

02:10:34.840 to me about their eschatology because it's a heavily overlooked topic in christendom is people

02:10:40.740 like you've got amillennialism you got premill you've got preterism and you got all this different

02:10:45.160 argumentation points but they never talk about the reality of ezekiel 37 and revelation 21 says

02:10:50.680 that yahweh's house is going to descend and sit on the earth like that's a big big deal like that's

02:10:57.220 the conclusion of the story is that the creator who made us is going to come down here and dwell 0.99

02:11:02.600 amongst mankind that's the promise of the kingdom come right so if that's the case is it a literal

02:11:08.260 kingdom is the spiritual this is a spiritual kingdom can it physically interact with the

02:11:12.180 material world a hundred percent that's the end of the story like it's intended to you know like

02:11:16.900 all nations will come to the new jerusalem for free food and water and medicine i got all the

02:11:20.960 verses for that if you know we can do a different show um the survivors of the day of the lord come

02:11:26.000 to it for refuge so they can learn how to live in peace with one another they beat their swords

02:11:30.340 into plowshares like the the whole thing is designed the end of the story is the spiritual

02:11:35.780 world fully integrates within our physical reality in our layer of the firmament the father's house

02:11:42.680 comes down that's why in second second corinthians chapter 12 1 through 3 when paul talks about a man

02:11:48.560 he knew who had a vision and went to the third heaven and saw paradise that paradise is the same

02:11:54.700 word used in revelation 2 and revelation 22 of the new jerusalem is the word paradise he saw

02:11:59.780 and it's there awaiting that here's where here's where we've tried to like share with people and

02:12:04.720 we're going to include this in our days of noah uh series it's already we already tease it in

02:12:08.580 episode one this this thing i'm about to tell you is the garden of eden is the new jerusalem

02:12:15.660 in its in its uh pre-enhanced form so the garden life is in both yeah so like the garden of eden

02:12:24.620 remember in genesis 3 24 when they're kicked out of the garden and there's an angel set to guard

02:12:30.520 the way to the tree of life so that they can't get back to it flaming sword yeah so that means

02:12:34.660 if that angel wasn't there they could get back to it right yeah so that means it's still there

02:12:40.780 on the ground yeah you're not well you're not 65 i believe well so between jubilees and not

02:12:47.220 consistently it tells you that enoch was taken into the garden where he would be kept away from

02:12:50.780 the violence that was happening to write down the condemnation of what was going on leading up to

02:12:54.840 the flood and then you know jubilee seven tells you he did die before the flood he's not living

02:13:00.060 forever inside but the point is what i'm getting at is the garden was still on the ground after

02:13:04.560 adam and eve were kicked out up to the flood and this is what uh i i try to do a whole show where

02:13:11.000 i try to go through the timeline of the garden of eden so people are always like where's the

02:13:14.580 garden of eden they're going on you know the expeditions to south africa and you know what

02:13:18.600 was that one kid he said where they thought it was in florida and all that stuff and so the people

02:13:22.020 are thinking it's the garden of eden still on the earth somewhere it's just been it's just like

02:13:25.000 shangri-la it's just mystically hidden from reality it's like no no the bible tells you

02:13:29.360 it was on the ground it got destroyed by the flood isaiah 49 and 54 talk about the details

02:13:34.840 of zion how it's overcome with storm tossed with waves destroyed desecrated and then second

02:13:41.160 ezra chapter 7 verse 26 literally tells you it was withdrawn into heaven and that's why

02:13:47.260 in new testament paul's talking about it being in the third heaven and then revelation john's

02:13:52.620 vision revelation it comes down out of heaven again it's the return it's the return it's just

02:13:57.780 made bigger to accommodate for everyone that takes part in the first resurrection who's going

02:14:01.900 to inherit a spot in there and then when it sets down all the people that didn't take part in the

02:14:06.900 first resurrection revelation 24 through 6 they're considered survivors of the nations who will come

02:14:11.700 to it to learn god's ways to stop mourning with each other to to get free medicine from the leaves

02:14:18.040 healing of the nations that's right yeah so if you're resurrected and glorified revelation 21 7

02:14:23.160 you've already received your inheritance inside the city you don't need leaves for healing you're

02:14:28.200 perfected you know i mean and um in enoch i which i had to listen to a bunch of times so i never got

02:14:34.360 the chapter so i had to i had to look it up because i tried to read it and i just for whatever reason

02:14:38.240 couldn't focus i found it on audiobook and i remember hearing enoch as as he's being taken

02:14:42.880 around um by rafael that he's you know he's seeing all these different places and i remember there

02:14:48.700 being like a tree in the garden that he saw and i remember being like oh did he see the garden

02:14:52.260 And I'm looking at it here and it describes it as the Garden of Righteousness is Enoch 24 through 25 and then 30 through 31.

02:14:59.460 It includes the tree of knowledge.

02:15:01.640 So do you take that to mean that he saw the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

02:15:08.300 Yes. And then the tree of life had already been transplanted at that time.

02:15:12.320 So, yeah, he's taken and shown in his tour of all creation throughout the different passages of Enoch, he's also shown the garden.

02:15:19.840 that's where he spent the 300 years with the angels of god protected this is what we've

02:15:26.260 tried to show the greek and like hebrews 11 5 and it talks about enoch was transferred so he

02:15:31.560 wouldn't see death it doesn't mean he was already given his resurrection body before christ christ

02:15:36.440 is the first fruits of the promise of resurrection right he was taken into that if you have jubilees

02:15:41.560 the ancient israelite writings that give you the extra details um which other christians have in

02:15:45.820 their canon throughout history you would have the the background knowledge of what happened

02:15:49.600 with Enoch where he went and why in first Enoch I think it's chapter 65 Noah goes to the edge of

02:15:55.040 the garden and speaks with Enoch because Noah just had a vision that terrified him about the coming

02:16:00.620 flood so okay so like Enoch and Elijah like like to your point nobody could have a glorified body

02:16:07.240 resurrected body before Jesus because he's the first fruits so you're saying those dudes are

02:16:12.240 just chilling in the garden no uh enoch died before the flood that was his purpose to be taken

02:16:18.520 into the garden to to be a scribe to write down the the deeds of wickedness happening in the earth

02:16:22.580 to be a condemnation against mankind for the flood for the legal validation of the flood and

02:16:27.880 then elijah was just taken by a chariot to a different location this again goes into the

02:16:33.100 definition of heaven right it says he was taken with the chariots up into heaven but that's just

02:16:37.040 the sky because you're not going above the firmament right mankind cannot live above the

02:16:41.800 firmament. First Anarch 15 talks about this. Is it also like biblical to say, because when we did

02:16:47.960 read about Elijah, it seems like the dude was moving around a lot. Like people weren't sure

02:16:52.520 where he was or if he just bounced at some point. Yeah, like either he was running away or he was

02:16:56.580 being like supernaturally moved. Yeah, when he does get taken up, the sons of the prophets are

02:17:01.620 arguing with Elisha. They're like, no, no, they just, God just took him and put him on some other

02:17:05.000 mount. He does that. And there was another place, I think one of the, like a good servant in Ahab's

02:17:11.500 household was like no hey uh he said okay go tell ahab i'm here he said no no i'm gonna do that and

02:17:17.660 then the lord's gonna pick you up and take you somewhere right and then i'm gonna look like an 0.96

02:17:21.600 idiot yeah he's gonna kill me so like he had a proclivity to just he's like you do that thing 0.99

02:17:26.620 dude i'm not gonna fall for that alluding to it that yeah god would move him around or something 1.00

02:17:30.620 what an interesting character right yeah so i'm gonna put this on screen real quick this is a show

02:17:34.780 i did on elijah i did two different separate shows one you know i want elijah because these

02:17:38.460 are the the two characters always brought up when this discussion happens as far as did anyone

02:17:42.700 partake did anyone go to heaven before christ resurrected and ascended back to heaven because

02:17:48.280 you got conflicts with john chapter 3 if so and then if who in did anyone get the resurrected

02:17:53.540 glorified body before christ did because then you got conflicts with first corinthians 15 if so right

02:17:58.400 so um but in most christian churches it's taught that oh you're not gonna lie you never die they're

02:18:03.500 just taking to heaven and they're just chilling up there but i don't think that's what the

02:18:06.860 scriptures are saying so i did a whole show on both of these characters um this one is the one

02:18:11.200 i did on elijah and i put together a timeline that basically i tried to go through the scriptures to

02:18:16.440 show um the kings that reigned during the days of elijah and elisha when elisha leaves with the

02:18:24.020 chariots of fire versus when um you get that letter later elijah's letter that happens later

02:18:30.540 to jehoram which basically meant he was still alive so the point i'm trying to show is basically

02:18:38.500 the scriptures yeah yeah because there's actually a uh there's actually a letter from elijah

02:18:43.320 you're saying that's after he got taken up so he did just get taken up and just took somewhere else

02:18:48.040 but was still walking around the earth that's right he was still there he just died in peace

02:18:52.940 he died out of the spotlight because elisha took over right because you know elisha asked for double

02:18:58.540 to double the portion um he's now he was trained for 20 years by elijah he takes over but elijah

02:19:04.020 goes and just retires in peace basically but yet about 10 years later sends a letter of reprimand

02:19:10.440 which is which i mean that's what he asked for too he was like god let's take me out did he ask

02:19:16.700 for death or did he ask to be yeah i mean he has to get taken out whatever maybe i remember he was

02:19:21.160 he was there was so much turmoil with you know ahab and jezebel and all that stuff he was being

02:19:25.420 hunted and at various times and so i think he just went to retire in seclusion um but also in

02:19:32.220 hebrews chapter 11 it directly tells you you know the hall of faith right hebrews chapter 11

02:19:36.820 verses 1 through 37 talks about all these incredible men and women of the scripture

02:19:41.120 who gave their life for for as verse 35 says the greater resurrection the hope of a greater

02:19:46.080 resurrection right they're willing to go to torturous deaths and martyrdom for the sake of

02:19:50.620 for the promise of the covenant, which is the resurrection to eternal life.

02:19:53.560 Then in verse 39 and 40, at the very end of the chapter, it says,

02:19:57.280 all these referring back to everyone who just previously mentioned have not

02:20:02.000 been perfected, have not taken, taken part in this yet without us,

02:20:05.920 but together with us will be perfected because this is why we try to share

02:20:10.140 with people like the,

02:20:11.720 the moment you get your incorruptible glorified body at the,

02:20:13.780 at the first resurrection is at the seventh trumpet.

02:20:16.880 It's a one-off moment. It's at the second coming of Christ.

02:20:19.620 you don't have a whole bunch of glorified people already just chilling

02:20:22.920 everywhere.

02:20:24.120 Like it's all,

02:20:24.880 it's all the first resurrection is a big deal taught in scripture.

02:20:27.780 And it all happens on one day at the second coming of Christ.

02:20:30.860 And that's,

02:20:31.600 and there's multiple reasons for that scripturally.

02:20:33.820 And so this is one of the things we talk about often on our channel is the

02:20:37.180 details of the first resurrection and how it's,

02:20:39.920 you know,

02:20:40.360 it's overlooked just like the new Jerusalem.

02:20:42.480 It's an overlooked topic of discussion.

02:20:44.740 And when I interview pastors on the channel,

02:20:46.540 they have all different interpretations of the first resurrection.

02:20:49.620 um and like there's even a bunch of different versions of it like from one pastor to the next

02:20:56.300 it's not a cohesive yeah yeah and and no one knows like what the like the ontological change

02:21:01.860 like you don't we don't get back this this decaying temple of doom like we get an actual

02:21:05.700 glorified body you know that's that um the same as like jesus exemplified right he is our forerunner

02:21:11.220 this first corinthians talks about right chapter 15 and um and so this is why like all these details

02:21:17.360 matter when it comes to you know how god is going to come to the earth and establish peace and put

02:21:23.500 the devil in a hole for a thousand years and throw the unclean spirits in like a fire and all these

02:21:27.480 details that that a lot of them you're not a lot of them but uh some significant aspects of those

02:21:34.520 details are given to us in books like jubileys and enoch that were a part of the ancient literature

02:21:39.680 did you guys know that like it's wild there's an eighth century historian named george sinkelos

02:21:45.100 who was a greek historian who was trying to make a chronographia that was like the first history

02:21:48.540 book he was trying to make in the 8th century a.d and he actually leans upon the book of jubilees

02:21:53.240 for his history isn't that crazy okay so and specifically for pre-flood information

02:21:59.960 you know because jubilees goes into greater depth um than even enoch does when it tries to break down

02:22:05.580 the three different types of nephilim that were around during those days and then how no reacted

02:22:10.420 after the flood when now the the unclean spirits were still here the disembodied nephilim were

02:22:15.020 still here and he in chapter 10 directly corral gives you the direct explanation as noah is

02:22:20.380 praying to god asking for help against these things saying these are the sons of your watchers

02:22:25.220 and and these came from before the flood and they're still here after the flood and they're

02:22:29.100 causing my sons and daughters to sin and to go into warfare and i need help you know i mean like

02:22:33.700 it's a direct connection before pre and post flood to what these unclean spirits are how they were

02:22:40.520 infecting mankind before the flood and how they're affecting mankind after the flood

02:22:43.940 and without that information the average christian is truly lost when it comes to this

02:22:50.040 spiritual battle and that's why this deception is so big in our day that's what was so amazing

02:22:55.360 to me was that it was it was an aspect of christian christianity i was not familiar with

02:22:59.800 whatsoever um and through my conspiracy research i became really uh comfortable with the idea of

02:23:07.060 you know these various pantheons and and i wasn't somebody that interpreted these things as like

02:23:11.560 strictly symbolic because it just didn't seem that way. It didn't seem that way based on the

02:23:15.000 people and the culture. It didn't seem that way based off of what I was seeing even in modern

02:23:19.440 day, right? It seemed like there was still the worship of these entities and that they were very

02:23:23.480 real. Whether or not they were flesh and blood today, you know, was up for debate, but I could

02:23:28.740 see their presence and their fingerprint. And I didn't, I wasn't looking to Christianity for 0.92

02:23:34.420 a frame of reference on those entities. And then when I came to Christianity, I came in through

02:23:41.240 like a Michael Heiser worldview. I came in through the idea of the Nephilim. That was always my 0.71

02:23:46.420 framework over these last years, I don't know, five years or so of how to look at this entire

02:23:52.400 phenomenon. And so it's strange to me, actually, to be new in my walk and new to my understanding

02:23:59.280 of Christianity, but then to turn to people who have been, you know, seminary school, what have

02:24:04.260 you, raised in the church, always been a part of it. So much vastly more adept in scripture than I

02:24:11.560 am. It feels like I couldn't close the gap, but they disagree with this, which to me, I'm like,

02:24:17.020 this is a fundamental piece. Without this, the lens doesn't work. It was always my holdup as

02:24:22.980 a Christian, a younger Christian in the church. There are things in the Bible where you ask the

02:24:27.740 pastor or the Bible, the Bible school teacher, and they don't have adequate answers. And I'm

02:24:32.200 like well that's just not good enough for me and i'm out yeah i think i shared that with you guys

02:24:37.860 that was part of my story um many years like 15 years ago i was going to not only the church i

02:24:43.660 was going to but other because i used to live in a in tulsa oklahoma there's it's mega churches

02:24:47.320 everywhere a lot of churches it's the bible belt and i not only did the church i was going to i

02:24:51.440 was i would make weekly appointments with multiple assistant pastors to ask them bible questions like

02:24:56.800 between sundays but i would go to other churches and make appointments with those pastors at

02:25:00.940 differently because i was going to a methodist church and then i would go make appointments

02:25:04.260 with the presbyterian pastor and the baptist pastor like i would go to these other people

02:25:08.080 to try to say ask them these biblical questions many of them about the nephilim and i started

02:25:12.720 hearing all these different answers and some of them just basically would just honestly say you

02:25:16.640 know i just don't know you know and i'm sitting there going forgive forgive my my negative reaction

02:25:23.820 sir but um it says it right here like yeah and and by the way there is a when we you know even

02:25:32.640 back in 2012 2013 like there were online resources for looking up what the you know lexiconical

02:25:37.760 resources looking up the definition of words right so i would i'd be like but but the definition of

02:25:42.360 the word says this like so why why are we not taking this seriously those are the worst

02:25:48.000 conversations where you're like you know what you're not a bad dude bro but why don't you go

02:25:51.580 work at walmart like like why are you in the pulpit you know what i'm saying and not to say

02:25:55.560 that any of us knows everything and we're not still learning like amen why hopefully we're all

02:25:59.920 still learning all the way to the end but some of this basic stuff i've had those same conversations

02:26:04.580 with pastors where i'm like bro you should just be a creator at walmart well you know what it is

02:26:08.300 it frames a fundamental problem the fundamental problem is it from from from my perspective being

02:26:13.540 outside of religion growing up i would say well they can't all be true right or or they're all

02:26:20.060 claiming to be true and the other one's not true. And, and this one's saying I have the truth and

02:26:24.120 the other ones aren't true. And, and so, but what happens when you have this, this frame, it's like,

02:26:28.540 oh no, they were all right. They were just, the other ones were wrong about the nature of the

02:26:35.320 things that they were worshiping. And, and that was like a real eureka moment, right? Where it's

02:26:41.440 like, you're worshiping this pantheon. Well, it's like, it's not like the Bible says, um, that's

02:26:46.100 not real and christianity is the only thing that's real but that's how modern day christians act

02:26:52.560 right that's how a lot of people are going about this whole thing is like well the greek pantheon

02:26:58.280 that's not a real thing at all this is just uh mythology and i go but they built and dedicated

02:27:04.420 cities and cultures and and unbelievable swaths of time and text to these things worship and

02:27:11.980 dedication and you do that with the vedic pantheon and you do that with you know the the sumerians

02:27:16.820 and and you know the mayans and the aztecs and on and on and on how could that thing that was

02:27:22.340 erected in honor of these things and then i look at christianity and what's been erected in honor

02:27:26.720 of jesus christ and i go they did they've done the same thing here so is that the mark of truth

02:27:33.500 is how much time a people is willing to dedicate to a thing and then it's like once you have that

02:27:38.100 And you go, no, they dedicated it to these things because they were duped into worshiping false gods, false gods that were real, that were fallen angels.

02:27:47.860 They were duped into worshiping demigods that are that are Nephilim. All of that start. It pulls it all together.

02:27:54.740 And it's like I feel almost terrible. I don't understand how you can go.

02:27:59.560 And I'm not saying like you can't find meaning in Jesus unless like you have this part of the lens.

02:28:04.280 it's just like the worldview becomes so in in my opinion rich and obvious once you have

02:28:12.260 that piece to pull it all together it it it does really pull together everything from every

02:28:19.320 you know uh people of antiquity goes back to the initial question that you asked him to start the

02:28:24.300 show was uh who do you think is better off do you think this person is in good standing the one

02:28:28.620 that's great we call it grandma maxing oh yeah said a thing and goes demonic don't really need

02:28:33.020 to know more about this i'm gonna put my faith in jesus christ have a good night guys or and and

02:28:39.180 on the other side of you have researchers well like sort of like us but definitely like you who

02:28:43.900 are like i'm gonna i need to know exactly yeah you know the other thing too without it is if

02:28:49.420 you're not christian let's say you're newly aspiring pagan you're getting into wickedness

02:28:55.100 or you're you're uh unironically worshiping the the norse you know pantheon or something like that

02:29:01.220 which is very popular now everybody's got rune tattoos and everybody's unironically worshiping

02:29:05.880 odin and thor and and you adhere to that thing and you go the other ones aren't real and jesus

02:29:11.220 christ definitely not real but this thing is real maybe you had an experience well there's a weird 0.82

02:29:15.500 thing happening today too uh there used to be like a lot more atheists bro oh yeah like now 0.52

02:29:22.160 there's not like that's not a thing like it's the craziest thing that used to be everybody was an

02:29:26.100 atheist and then that's not it it's like somehow however they push the narratives and stuff they

02:29:32.300 shifted the narrative from being an atheist to like believing in the what do you call the

02:29:38.620 palladians and stuff oh yeah yeah like a new age yeah like the shift happened now the shift was

02:29:44.360 after covid um i think a lot of people got a good look at evil and they said well there better be

02:29:50.720 something else yeah and so now if you're an atheist still i just think you're not thinking

02:29:56.640 at all there are a couple but it well it does lead to this really fantastic question though if

02:30:00.660 you have that lens once again of like the nephilim and the fallen where it's like okay the pleiadians

02:30:05.000 show up now i have to ask myself like oh what's the nature of these things are they like like

02:30:10.240 fallen angels or like nephilim or like some sort of hybrid thing because it and then you start

02:30:14.300 looking into and it's like well they have a hybridization program they seem to be really

02:30:18.800 obsessed with human genetics right they seem to flee at the name of christ okay okay cool gotcha

02:30:23.560 i know what that is now so what you talked about earlier about there's people like us that

02:30:33.080 interested in this we look into this um there is a unique rub that's happening in christian

02:30:38.780 or at least my experience in christendom where you're having seminary trained pastors come up

02:30:44.780 being told a certain narrative of theology and history that leaves a huge open gap for this

02:30:52.140 deception to fall into meanwhile their major priority they're being taught is church

02:30:57.760 administration and church growth so they're they're being taught how do we grow the church

02:31:02.520 versus is our doctrine on point like are we actually making sense with what we're teaching

02:31:07.780 because they can just, you know, I'm not trying to be derogatory towards them.

02:31:14.180 This just is the natural outflow of how this happens.

02:31:17.080 They just kind of broad stroke the difficult questions away to say, well, look, we're really,

02:31:23.320 where are you serving today in the church?

02:31:25.660 And don't get me wrong.

02:31:27.240 I'm not bashing it.

02:31:28.200 Go serve at your local church.

02:31:29.620 Be a part of their lay ministries.

02:31:31.260 Be a part of helping people get your hands and feet busy, actually doing something to

02:31:35.840 help the body of believers.

02:31:36.760 but there are a lot of people sitting in the pews that want to know the details so that's

02:31:40.900 all is cohesive and makes sense this big story right and without that you get you just get kind

02:31:46.280 of like oh yeah we're excited we we you know we did 10 more baptisms this week or we'd had you

02:31:50.900 know i used to when i was in high school i went to a baptist church that had this little board on

02:31:54.960 the on the wall that said how many people got saved in the last month you know and i was just

02:31:59.120 like okay that's cool but um you know the vast majority of the people that were sitting in the

02:32:05.460 crowd they're out at the lake on the weekends getting drunk and fooling around you know i mean

02:32:09.780 like so yeah it's it's a balance right of like get involved in the church your local church

02:32:15.540 your community try to help be a part of something but at the same time that doesn't mean we just

02:32:20.280 slack off on doctrine so in the book of acts i can't remember if it's chapter five or chapter six

02:32:24.760 um all the the apostles from chapter two plus the 120 plus a bunch of other people remember they're

02:32:30.440 adding to their number daily and then they started i can't remember exactly the passage

02:32:34.320 Matt may remember they were regulating several of them to just be teachers and they were devoting

02:32:39.740 after they pulled their resources together they set aside like six or seven guys to just study

02:32:45.620 oh you're talking about when the Greek widows were being neglected the Hebrew widows were getting

02:32:51.040 their stuff and then the apostle said hey we can't stop like doing what we're doing to deal

02:32:55.980 with this business somebody somebody's got to do it but we can't stop because we have to attend to

02:32:59.840 the ministry of the word and prayer and then they said so we got to get some people to oversee this

02:33:04.900 let's go get the local wealthy uh car dealership owner let's get him put him in charge let's make

02:33:10.080 him an elder no they said they got to be full of wisdom and full of the holy ghost and they said

02:33:15.040 then they can do that stuff that matters but we have to stay in the word and prayer dude that the

02:33:21.180 reason that's like so meaningful to me is because i met a leader at a like i don't know how this

02:33:26.640 happened when i first started to go to the 501c3 system they let me go to like the youth camp and

02:33:31.220 be a uh be like a youth camp leader or whatever so then i saw one of the leaders in the elevator

02:33:37.740 one day and and um it was a lady i was like oh wow so you're like in ministry like you you like uh

02:33:43.780 read the bible and pray like that's like your whole life she's like yeah it's not exactly like

02:33:47.960 that and then we were at this training thing the next day and she's like talking about modern 0.87

02:33:53.700 American 501c3 culture which I don't care anything about and she's saying like this is the right way

02:33:58.880 to leave a church this is the right way to act in a church like this is how you do so you don't

02:34:03.220 offend people she goes you know a lot of people have this wrong idea about ministry leadership

02:34:07.880 like the other day I'm on the elevator and this guy's like oh you're in the ministry what do you

02:34:12.480 do just read a bible and pray all day and the room just erupted in laughter bro and I just kind of

02:34:17.400 like sunk down in the chair just like this but I went back to that passage and I was like no lady

02:34:22.820 the joke's not on me the joke's on you it's right there in the book they laughed at you yeah i mean

02:34:28.260 they didn't know it was me was it the first time that people laughed at you no i've been getting

02:34:31.620 that for a long time not the last either dog see what i gotta deal with i want to make a joke but

02:34:38.720 i don't know if you guys may be too young to get it you guys remember adam sandler's initial comedy

02:34:42.520 sketches they're not gonna laugh at you you get uh no it's okay that's some retro comedy you guys

02:34:50.420 can look up it's great great sound bites um yeah this is hilarious by the way whoever's in the live 0.99

02:34:55.920 chat um be aware of turkey mountain when it gets dusk all the gay people meet up there i'm sorry 0.98

02:35:01.680 watch out for that so people in the live chat talking about tulsa now also this is about the 0.93

02:35:06.340 funniest lot of gobblers at turkey mountain probably the funniest comment today in the

02:35:12.360 live chat what's the minimum credit score to be a pastor our our i hope a lot of our guys stick

02:35:17.340 around and but uh but forewarning then i hope they've been respectful they'll always be the

02:35:21.780 most psychotic uh but they're very funny but the most psychotic people in your chair witty and 0.96

02:35:25.960 intelligent are going to be the dangerous retards they're very witty and intelligent they're very 1.00

02:35:30.480 smart um so someone's asking in the chat though what kind of church because i mentioned tulsa 1.00

02:35:34.620 earlier and they're apparently they're about to move to tulsa in a couple months and they're

02:35:37.700 asking what kind of church teaches the stuff we're talking about unfortunately sister or brother

02:35:42.620 no um i the methodist church that i went to sugar-coated bro yeah he said no no no not even

02:35:52.060 close man um i tried to introduce some of this stuff um i was asked to guest speak at the church

02:35:57.940 that i went to and i got to guest speak just in the sunday school for like six different occasions

02:36:02.160 and and gave him a full breakdown on the nephilim and the first the first sunday school i spoke with

02:36:10.000 the first time they asked me to do this because it was just one of the co-pastors that I had been

02:36:14.720 speaking with, like I told you guys. And they realized that I had been studying this more than

02:36:20.600 they had, right? So they were like, do you want to come talk about this to some of our Sunday

02:36:23.980 schools? Because sometimes they have questions about these things. And the first one they asked

02:36:27.980 me to go to was the Sunrisers Sunday School, 80 and over, 80 years old and over. And they met at

02:36:35.600 8am on Sunday morning. And so I'm, I'm like still sleepy eyed,

02:36:40.480 like standing up there at 8am and trying to give this breakdown on doing

02:36:44.260 me three and the Nephilim and Agrabah Sean. And after it was done,

02:36:49.340 it was like 50 minutes. And after it was done,

02:36:51.080 like they came up to me and they were like, thank you so much for talking about

02:36:54.800 this. We've wondered about this for decades.

02:36:57.680 No one ever talks about this. Like these,

02:37:00.440 these Q-tip gray haired ladies coming up and being like, thank you so much.

02:37:04.380 we've always wondered about this it makes so much sense now and i'm just like the churches aren't

02:37:09.460 talking about this stuff yeah yeah well this is the thing is is right sean it's like people have

02:37:15.620 experiences and i think what you want to know as a christian is that the bible and your leaders and

02:37:22.420 and the thing that you believe in your heart is equipped to deal with experiences that like

02:37:28.400 are happening today still people have experiences and if they're not grounded and they don't know

02:37:32.360 christianity that's what pushes them into the new age that's what pushes them into you know

02:37:39.080 being wicked or being a witch like that's not a how do i say this that's not a um a flippant

02:37:44.500 thing that i say there's an entire culture there's a vast body of of people millennials

02:37:50.900 you know gen z um i guess you know gen x that are practicing wiccans and and these are people that

02:37:59.360 like believe they believe in the nature of the spiritual realm of entities you know so much more

02:38:07.220 so than the average christian does and and the average christian is not exempt from having a

02:38:13.680 an experience but like how many people have an experience they bring it to their pastor

02:38:17.460 and like the pastor doesn't have a frame for it or they just give them something that's reductive

02:38:23.180 and dismissive and says well that sounds uh demonic or of the devil i would pray about it

02:38:28.460 And it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, and I agree with that, but you also have to be able to sit there and go back and forth with somebody about the depth of their experience.

02:38:37.560 And if you don't do it, if you don't explain this supernatural worldview, if you didn't explain these, these unbelievable events, I mean, our God came in the flesh, died, overcame death, was resurrected and is literally the path for redemption for us.

02:38:52.300 That's unbelievable by, by many people's measure.

02:38:55.280 if you're not willing to go to these other places because you don't think that it plays well

02:38:59.340 with it or you're unsure about giants or these other belief systems are more than happy to

02:39:05.440 discuss these things with people they're more than happy to facilitate that conversation

02:39:08.900 yeah it's funny you mentioned that because like when i i went to bible school in tulsa

02:39:12.960 that's how i moved to tulsa originally and um my the first like nine weeks i was there we like

02:39:19.100 one of our classes we broke off into these like cell groups you know it was like 10 or 12 men

02:39:25.000 that we were supposed to hold each other accountable and pray with each other you know and stuff meet up

02:39:28.600 once a week and so um i came back the following week and i dyed my hair um all like platinum

02:39:36.440 blonde because i was trying to be like goku i was trying to go super saiyan so i'm like 21 at the

02:39:43.060 time you know and i'm watching dragon ball z like while i'm doing my bible study homework and so um

02:39:48.180 so i i was like oh i'm gonna i'm just gonna dye my hair like super saiyan blonde and i and i didn't

02:39:53.640 do it right the first time because i didn't i'd never done before i just did it at the house with

02:39:56.920 some walmart stuff and it was like fire orange right because i didn't do enough of it because

02:40:01.580 my hair is dark and i did my eyebrows too so it looked i looked i looked crazy so awesome so i

02:40:09.920 show up and so at during this same week um i go to uh i'm going you know this bible school

02:40:16.980 and every day i drive to this bible school i go past this uh angela's psychic shop right and i'm

02:40:23.020 just like i'm just like oh god let me just pray for you as i do that drive by prayer thing just

02:40:26.900 like pray for you may god heal you and bring you out of these unclean spirits and then um

02:40:31.580 i'd i've been doing this for months and i i thought to myself man i just want to

02:40:36.920 like man something should happen like this place should close down this this like that's i was

02:40:41.600 young and naive i was like this guy should do something miraculous and just close this place

02:40:45.060 down and get this lady saved right and i just heard clear as day well why don't you do it just

02:40:51.300 go in there and talk to her. And so I was like, okay. So I just, you turned the car, pulled in

02:40:59.540 and went in and talked to her. Right. And, and I prayed before I went in and said, father, please

02:41:04.900 give me something specific to say to her. So I went in and talked to her and told her what I felt

02:41:08.460 like I was supposed to say to her. And she got very uncomfortable and started looking like this 0.82

02:41:12.280 towards this back, this door that was like partially open in the back. And I was like,

02:41:16.080 there's definitely other people here. And it just looked weird. And I was like, can you explain to

02:41:20.180 me what you do and she kind of gave me a short breakdown on how she reads tarot cards and stuff

02:41:23.860 and i was like all right well i don't need all that but i just want to let you know that god

02:41:26.880 loves you he wants to break you free from these chains and you know i had some kind of like some

02:41:30.460 things to say to her and and then i left and so when i went back to the bible school to this little

02:41:34.800 men's group that we met occasionally i told them about this because they said you know like what's

02:41:39.360 your week been like right and so i told them they're already looking at me weird because

02:41:43.380 my hair's died and that was against bible school policy they're trying to ask you what's wrong

02:41:48.640 i didn't tell them that i accidentally uh went to a gay club and didn't realize it until the

02:41:56.960 guy so that was a whole nother story i got out of there unscathed but um basically so basically

02:42:03.940 like i'm i'm trying to explain to them how i went to go witness to the psychic lady right

02:42:08.020 and they were they were getting like super upset like whoa what are you doing you can't go in there

02:42:13.620 by yourself you don't know what could jump on you you don't know how dangerous that is and i was like

02:42:18.140 do we not serve the god of all creation like do i not have the holy spirit like what are you

02:42:24.680 talking about you know and they're like well you remember like the the sons of skiva got beat up by

02:42:29.860 the unclean spirits you know and i'm like but wait a minute man like they were false you know they

02:42:34.540 didn't beat up paul and barnabas like they were false like i i want to i anyway so it's just i've

02:42:39.960 that was my first time running into like this you know kind of cage stage spiritual atmosphere of

02:42:46.620 you know everything's the devil and uh yeah you got to stay away from there and i'm like aren't

02:42:51.480 we supposed to go shed the light into place the dark places you know i mean we had this

02:42:56.260 similar situation and i don't know who was right or who was wrong still because it's something that

02:43:01.780 like we like argued about just recently the the guy that fell off and there was like a weird

02:43:06.900 supernatural reason that's why he fell off uh i suspect that when he was in my house with one

02:43:13.840 of his ex-girlfriends that they something happened some sort of form of witchcraft uh including uh

02:43:19.840 bloody panties with poop on them weird stuff and then my entire family they leave behind they'll

02:43:25.620 leave behind like it's like a totem like something that anchors them to a location it's it's a whole

02:43:30.360 thing yeah my my entire family got sick and it's it was it was a debacle for a long time this is

02:43:35.460 before i even thought about starting the show and uh then we had a falling out with the guy and for

02:43:40.800 some reason my like my eyes were open to it and i was like holy shit like this happened to me i

02:43:46.580 think we were talking to vicky joy anderson and she was discussing some of the artifacts that

02:43:50.560 would be left during forms of witchcraft and that was one of them and i'm like oh like on the podcast

02:43:55.340 blew my mind that happened to me and now i'm telling david i'm like man this guy i i don't

02:44:00.760 know if he's involved but definitely this girl was we had com i had confirmation the day after

02:44:05.320 that they slept over it was the craziest thing oh yeah that's right they slept over some guy

02:44:09.480 was moving my parents in from new york and i'm talking with him his brother doesn't come to help

02:44:14.900 him to unpack my parents stuff so i'm helping him this is after like we did a whole event and all

02:44:19.280 this i'm tired i'm talking with him i'm like let me chat this guy up and we go out into the little

02:44:23.240 field right behind my house out out they come walking my friend and his girlfriend and it looks

02:44:28.840 like he's seen a ghost she turns around gets in the car i was like so i asked him what the hell

02:44:33.260 was that and he goes do you know her yes and he looks at me and he goes she's a witch and i'm just

02:44:38.700 like you know i'm not i'm not thinking supernaturally at this moment i'm not there yet at

02:44:43.520 all i'm in very much in a comedy political realm and i was like all right cool anyway years later 0.96

02:44:48.800 this happens it dawns upon me oh shit like after that we found the panties that she left in that 0.97

02:44:53.760 room my my entire household gets sick i'm left to assume what has this guy done and at the same time 0.98

02:45:01.580 david gets his premonition i need to go over there same thing with you i need to go over there and

02:45:06.480 talk to him and i'm like dude don't do that because i got mixed like now i'm just thinking

02:45:13.220 myself like yo i got mixed up with this and i i wasn't prepared and my family paid a price for it 0.55

02:45:19.680 it was bad like i was on we were thinking about leaving florida and going back to new york

02:45:23.140 it was crazy i was about to just sell that would have been terrible that would have been terrible

02:45:27.260 you would have been derailed from what god called you 100 100 derailed but like it was at that

02:45:31.280 pivotal moment we would have never met that would have been probably that would have been awesome

02:45:35.060 oh um but it was it was this pivotal moment of like i was like i could just sell this and just

02:45:41.000 forget this this was a mistake um and i didn't but then yeah there's like me and david had some

02:45:46.560 arguments like don't go over there and he ended up not going over there and he paid some sort of

02:45:50.920 a price for that spiritually for being disobedient but i'm just like i know we're called to do

02:45:56.120 i still struggle with do i want to put myself in a situation like that like if maybe it's just me

02:46:01.420 overblowing it maybe I'm completely wrong or maybe that did happen but I think you were right it did

02:46:07.440 happen but I think that God calls us to be faithful and not to operate in the spirit of fear and I

02:46:15.500 think that and look you know it's not like every time we're gonna hit it out of the park like we

02:46:18.920 were still like coming to this thing when all this happened that was at a pivotal moment we were

02:46:22.520 changing dramatically the trajectory of the show was changing dramatically I think our walk with

02:46:26.800 God has been exponentially strengthened since like that moment. But in that moment, I think

02:46:31.140 the fundamental mistake that we made, I made myself, was that we were operating in a spirit

02:46:36.800 of fear instead of faith. And I think that within all things, you're given this choice, right?

02:46:42.380 The world or God at any moment puts a thing in front of you. And that thing, your decision on

02:46:49.760 how to do with it can almost always be boiled down to a decision made in fear or a decision

02:46:54.660 made in faith and i've gotten quite used to um this kind of faith-based decision throughout my

02:47:02.500 life because i've been i used to be homeless when i was younger i think when you don't have

02:47:07.180 a lot to lose it's much easier to start moving in in faith than it is in fear when you have a lot

02:47:14.300 like you were dealing with a thing you had just bought a house there's you know you've moved your

02:47:18.060 whole family out there house and my like my wife got sick to the point where we spent like man

02:47:23.580 fifteen thousand dollars on you know uh we bought it to the doctors but obviously western medicine

02:47:29.140 wants to do weird stuff and we were we went an alternative route ivs uh any kind of you know

02:47:35.740 alternative healing we can and we actually helped her she's she's good now after 15 grand after 0.87

02:47:40.720 fucking 15 grand yeah but it's crazy sorry to curse but it's crazy the way god works as well 0.56

02:47:45.680 and it's like like i like you i guess i forget i forget but we do the show we we create this 0.99

02:47:51.800 dumb show and our first three sponsors out of nowhere should people who should never sponsor

02:47:57.620 us are like you know parasite cleanse company these are things i spent money on frequency 0.95

02:48:01.420 technology like like a rife machine he sponsored us who else uh all the health products like you

02:48:07.320 know like uh shout out to van man these are all things like i'm spending tons of money on because

02:48:12.460 now my wife is like she has to detox she's got to do all these things and it's just given right

02:48:16.660 back to me in the dumbest way possible it's like here you go you spent all that money you're about

02:48:21.140 to quit here it's it's all right there right back and i'm just like i don't know yeah it's it's 0.95

02:48:26.860 insane it's insane wait a minute you guys got sponsors not anymore not anymore they ran but but

02:48:34.040 i i do that's balling yo i had to create my own company just to have a sponsor we use we use a

02:48:39.240 different model there are there's there's opportunity out there but it's it's uh it's

02:48:42.660 hard to keep track of and like yeah because it's like oh you're a uh with a three-man team now

02:48:47.480 previously two-man team and it's like okay so you're going to develop a relationship with these

02:48:51.340 people keep a relationship with these people reach out to them all the time make sure that you know

02:48:54.480 that's a fruitful thing it's like we're just a couple of dudes trying to do this thing but 0.91

02:48:58.020 i think now where i'm at is like it's a mixture right you shouldn't be foolish you shouldn't

02:49:04.220 engage in anything that's going to open up doorways but you also shouldn't be afraid so so so in other 0.90

02:49:09.920 words like don't go out don't do tarot cards don't do dumb crap because you believe that your god is 0.94

02:49:15.120 stronger than whatever's going to happen to you from the tarot cards, because you're giving 0.96

02:49:17.620 consent to a thing. It's not about your God being stronger in that instance, you're doing a foolish 0.99

02:49:21.820 thing and opening up a line of communication with something, giving something consent, giving

02:49:26.160 something access to you. But in these instances where like, if you're thinking about witchcraft

02:49:30.540 or somebody coming and doing a thing to you, if you're in good standing, if you're not the one

02:49:34.920 who's going out and seeking divination or some crap like that, who can stand against me if God

02:49:39.780 is with me right that's that's the core of everything why would i be afraid if you came

02:49:44.740 into this coffee shop and i didn't seek you out and you started i don't know trying to to cast a

02:49:50.840 spell on i would tell you in the name of jesus christ to kick rocks and nothing that you're

02:49:55.560 going to do is going to stand against me i don't have any fear associated with any of that stuff

02:50:00.220 and i think also because when i was younger it's like i i was very comfortable with the fact that

02:50:06.320 all of this was real. Saw a lot of stuff, experienced a lot of stuff. I didn't figure

02:50:10.720 out that there was a real remedy to it till I was 30 something years old. Now that I know that remedy

02:50:15.520 is Jesus Christ, that through the authority of Jesus Christ, through his name, we have authority

02:50:19.600 over these spiritual entities that don't have our best interests at heart. It's like a cheat code.

02:50:25.320 I already got it. I'm good. I don't have anything to be afraid of. And honestly, they're parasitic

02:50:31.040 and weak in nature. They need us to be able to interact with this physical realm. They operate

02:50:36.780 best when you believe that they are you, right? So they're whispering thoughts and ideas and

02:50:41.760 impulses in your mind. And they try to tell you something about yourself that's not true,

02:50:46.280 but they really operate best when you believe that those thoughts are your own. They're not

02:50:50.460 your own, but why are they pretending to be it? Because they're weak. They're weak. They don't

02:50:55.100 have any authority over you. You have to come into agreement with them for them to have authority

02:50:58.760 you over you. So, you know, it's, it's amazing. Ephesians five, I think says the best is this

02:51:04.800 right to refresh your mind with the washing of the water, the word, you know, that way,

02:51:08.960 you're not getting all these other words in your brain that confuse you, leads you into the wrong

02:51:13.280 path. In fact, it's funny, you mentioned about, you know, not, not engaging in these practices

02:51:17.760 in order to, to reach people in these practices. And that's like, it reminds me of first Corinthians

02:51:23.740 nine, you know, the context when, when it says, I make myself all things to all men that I might

02:51:27.600 when some for christ paul's not going out there when he's witnessing uh at the below the temple

02:51:33.780 to athena he's not going to worship at the temple to athena right he's just he's just going to the

02:51:39.360 people that are there the greeks that are there and in the same way i saw this comment earlier

02:51:43.800 there are tons of millennials and zoomers and wiccan and that's yeah that's another story that

02:51:49.140 i when i was in tulsa me and some dudes used to go run at midnight we would try to run there's

02:51:53.840 this park in the middle of tulsa that's like six miles if you can run the whole thing we can only

02:51:57.580 ever make like two or three miles but like we would go run at midnight and it was also just you know

02:52:01.560 we'd go out and bs with each other and it was fun but one night as we're running through this park

02:52:05.520 because there's it's a there's a golf course interlaced throughout the park and there's these

02:52:11.240 two girls doing a wiccan ritual at midnight next to this pond on the golf course dressed in white

02:52:17.920 white wedding dresses with their hands out towards the water standing at the edge of the water with

02:52:22.740 their eyes closed and because i'm just always curious in nature i just run right up to them

02:52:27.740 like we're just all running and everybody's like hey what's that and i'm like i'm gonna go ask them

02:52:34.740 what they're doing so like i walk up to them and they're just they don't even acknowledge i'm there

02:52:39.120 they just got their eyes closed their hands out and these are two girls that are like 20 years old

02:52:44.380 you know attractive and here's some strange dude that just ran up to them and they don't even

02:52:49.740 acknowledge I'm there you know they don't even flinch and I'm like uh okay and my all my guy

02:52:55.580 friends are like standing up on the top of the hill of the distance and I'm just like I'm looking

02:53:00.300 at them like I don't know what they're doing so I wrote we we start running again and God's just

02:53:05.340 hitting me hard just like go back go back interrupt them interrupt them so like I I tell my friends

02:53:14.040 I'm like guys and this one kid he knew his name was Bill he's my roommate he's like you're gonna

02:53:18.940 to go back aren't you i'm like i'm you i gotta go back i gotta go back so i ran back and i

02:53:23.000 interrupted their little ritual and they ended up coming back later about 15 minutes later

02:53:28.220 and i'm already i've already interrupted them i'm talking to them and and they're both from

02:53:33.400 alabama they're new to oklahoma and they're doing this wiccan ritual like there was supposedly some

02:53:38.820 wiccan special holy day or whatever and i just start telling about jesus and one of these girls

02:53:44.140 get saved and then we take her to uh church for like the next two months every wednesday night

02:53:50.960 to the youth group because she was like 17 or whatever that's incredible or 18 i think but um

02:53:56.060 either way she uh you know it's just one of those deals like i if i just left it alone

02:54:01.380 they would have continued to do whatever who knows you know but i was like you know what i'm

02:54:06.040 just gonna interrupt these these devil worshipers you know i'm saying like they they want to come

02:54:11.060 into churches in Tulsa and interrupt and cast spells from the back of the church that happens

02:54:15.020 by the way in Tulsa Oklahoma you have groups of witches that are going to churches and try to cast

02:54:18.940 spells from the back oh yeah but um so yeah I'm like why not we just go and interrupt them just

02:54:24.220 take the take the light of Christ to them and see what happens I'm so I thought it was going to turn

02:54:28.140 out a different way I thought they were going to like I thought they were going to kill him

02:54:30.680 but no that's awesome that's incredible man that's uh that's um just fun stuff of like you can

02:54:38.680 you you do have literally god on your side you know i'm saying like when you understand the

02:54:45.000 concept of angels and demons and the whole biblical context like only 200 angels rebelled

02:54:50.880 now we don't know how many unclean spirits there were it seems to be there were lots of them but

02:54:56.440 but according to eunuch and jubilees only a tenth of them are still left under satan's control after

02:55:01.480 the flood which which does like which means if there's i don't know if the population report is

02:55:08.000 correct but if there's seven to eight billion people on the earth there's not enough demons 0.51

02:55:11.560 for everybody you know like you're and if you look at the like the the hebraic you know math

02:55:18.300 of myriads upon myriads mentioning of the number of angels there's a lot more angels than demons

02:55:23.740 and rebellious angels like the greater majority is on god's side you're you are you have a huge

02:55:31.100 posse on your side you know like greater is he that's in you than he that's in the world literally

02:55:37.920 but numerically greater like you you're on the winning side and you have the numbers you do not

02:55:43.600 need to be afraid you know you just need to make sure that you're actually doing what he's called

02:55:47.260 you to do and he's got your back on a percent you know and that's where we're gonna try going

02:55:51.780 forward sean we're gonna try all right geez stop stop convicting me how dare you yeah i just want

02:55:57.960 to encourage you guys i think what you're doing though by creating the conversation is important

02:56:02.880 right you may not be praying with each individual at each church that listens to you

02:56:06.540 and leading them explicitly through each scripture even though you know matt's clearly bringing some

02:56:13.300 balance to you guys's channel right with what he's doing oh yeah but all the people that are

02:56:18.300 listening you're not able to walk them you know intimately walk them through the scriptures and

02:56:22.500 make sure they're being discipled you're praying that they're getting that from the places from

02:56:26.240 they're watching you but but the fact that you're bringing up these topics and pointing people back

02:56:30.120 to the bible and trying to defend against the clear deceptive narrative i just want to encourage

02:56:34.640 you guys keep going don't give up thank you man i i appreciate it that's like you know what i pray

02:56:40.380 i just ask that like you know if it's if it's one person i don't know i'm not the best at scripture

02:56:44.580 i'm i'm still learning i have like my testimony my experience my point of view and it's just like

02:56:49.460 if somebody hears it and it strengthens their walk and they orient more towards christ maybe

02:56:54.820 they were already on the walk but they're they're encouraged or maybe they thought a bunch of things

02:57:00.080 and didn't think christianity had anything to say about those things and then it turns out it does

02:57:04.480 and and that's what helps them that that's it it's we get on the mic every day and maybe

02:57:09.600 one person per conversation you know hears that and then they got a little question in their head

02:57:15.840 and they go huh investigate a little further that's the best that i can do that's it man that's

02:57:19.700 it that's that's that's and and honestly that's huge to me the fact that we get to do that is

02:57:24.500 is incredible like i get to do that like that's what like when i pass and i get to meet jesus

02:57:29.600 like is he gonna you said that i think once it's like you'd be a high five or just be like yeah

02:57:33.380 like if he's like hey good job and then points to people and there's a body of people there

02:57:37.780 that are like yeah dude you helped like whoa that's uh that's pretty much it that's as big

02:57:43.740 as it gets that is awesome brother you're actually repeating a short story i read back in 1998 by a

02:57:49.100 guy named robert resmussen christian author who wrote a book of short stories and that's one of

02:57:53.980 the short stories is that a guy gets to heaven and there's a great throng of people and he runs

02:58:00.620 into somebody he knows and they're like oh and he's like oh man i never knew that you were a

02:58:05.480 believer and he's like yeah it was from these people over here told me about christ and lo and

02:58:09.380 behold that's the person this guy had went to witness to so like even though he didn't witness

02:58:14.520 to his neighbor he'd witness to a separate group that he thought was completely detached from his

02:58:18.600 neighbor they ended up getting his neighbor saved you know i mean and so like yeah just it's all

02:58:23.540 connected and it's a beautiful beautiful little book of short stories but it was before chicken

02:58:28.860 suit for the soul got popular um but anyway thank you guys i will probably should end it i appreciate

02:58:34.960 you guys giving me three hours today um it's i appreciate you giving us your time man this went

02:58:39.720 quick man and yeah it's a pleasure it's also it's uh it's encouraging because i obviously we do we

02:58:45.440 do like crazy stuff we delve in comedy but when somebody with your uh with your like body of work

02:58:51.300 and understanding of this stuff and like matt matt is another type of person it's like you guys

02:58:55.940 understand the bible so deeply for you to look at some of the things that we do and kind of get it

02:58:59.700 and see what we're pointed at even though it's this i don't know it's it's like an abstract way

02:59:04.660 yeah it's an abstract pointing but like like thank thank you for having us on and allowing us to uh

02:59:10.840 spread what we're doing here i think what we're doing we could reach a certain amount of a specific

02:59:15.740 a specific type of person yeah and that's all that we want to do just say well you know what's

02:59:21.720 happened to us yeah one little alien nugget before we go so you guys talked about the concept of

02:59:29.640 buried crafts that have always been here kind of thing being part of the disclosure and everything

02:59:34.260 look up when you have time look up the um i think it's an aswan it's in it's in the what

02:59:41.920 used to be called the the upper kingdom of ancient egypt near near one of the pyramids

02:59:46.140 it's the underground labyrinth that they have found it's supposedly so large that it hosts

02:59:54.300 all the idols of egypt there's like a temple to each of the idols of egypt underneath this thing

02:59:58.960 it's massive it's considered one of the largest unearthed discoveries because they've done the

03:00:04.740 ground penetrating radar and they found the top of the roof of it and everything and they they know

03:00:08.940 from historical accounts what it's supposed to be it's in this exact location with the exact size

03:00:14.060 descriptions um historians like herodotus and planus and a whole bunch of other people from

03:00:19.080 the fourth century bc up until the second century a.d all talked about going to visit this amazing

03:00:25.280 ridiculously large lap bigger than any pyramid constructed with all the idols of egypt in there

03:00:32.100 with a pyramid a 24-story pyramid at the bottom of it i've heard i'm looking at it now yeah plus

03:00:39.260 supposedly there's this ring there's this mysterious ring they don't know if it's a

03:00:44.940 craft or what it is that that they've seen in in the gpr scans that's at the bottom of it that

03:00:50.600 they think so my my theory is that they are going to unearth the labyrinth and escalate and do an

03:00:57.320 excavation of it with archaeology as a part of the disclosure because they're gonna be like oh look

03:01:02.200 we've had a ship buried down here this whole time we're the ancient gods of ancient egypt and

03:01:07.300 And, you know, the Sudoku guy with the crazy hair and ancient aliens, he was right.

03:01:11.380 We were here in the past.

03:01:13.420 And so we're back.

03:01:14.380 And that'll cause people to say, oh, OK, look, that's real.

03:01:17.920 And Christ isn't.

03:01:19.720 I think that's what's going to end up happening because that's what all these new age people believe.

03:01:23.480 Not just that Christ isn't.

03:01:24.660 That's real.

03:01:25.920 And this is real, but this is expedient. 1.00

03:01:28.740 I think that's what the Jews did. 0.98

03:01:30.120 You know, God is real. 1.00

03:01:31.340 Took me out of Egypt, but there's a golden calf here and we're going to get something from it.

03:01:35.100 And it's right here.

03:01:36.180 We could touch it.

03:01:36.800 yeah maybe if it's physical or spiritual we don't know yeah but it's going to be super expedient

03:01:41.520 well we'll see i have a feeling we'll see uh pretty soon steven spielberg's disclosure day

03:01:46.220 is coming uh and i think uh that helps to move the narrative along so maybe we'll see well is

03:01:51.460 he still alive he is he's been drinking baby blood and it actually does a number on preserving your

03:01:56.780 uh you know your organs and such not the what's it called not the adrenochrome he's just

03:02:02.280 he scares it before he drinks it yeah that's wild guys thank you check it out nephilim death squad

03:02:09.500 on youtube rumble all major podcasts was apple spotify you guys are on all of them go check them

03:02:15.280 out guys nephilim death squad and i appreciate you guys thank you for the awesome conversation

03:02:18.580 thank you thank you sean thanks sean we'll see you next time

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Nephilim Death Squad - May 03, 2026

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