00:11:46.000Turns out there's some generational iniquity going on, or at least as I've come to understand it.
00:11:51.240My grandmother was involved in, you know, New Age practices and such.
00:11:55.220And I think her kids and their kids really experienced the rewards of that.
00:12:00.740We reaped the benefits of that misstep.
00:12:03.180And so having those experiences when I was little made me, once I had access to the internet, I was fascinated with these stories, supernatural stories.
00:12:13.680And that kind of led me down this conspiracy route.
00:12:17.900You know, if you start Googling sleep paralysis and things of that nature, you're going to get to all kinds of demonic kind of answers.
00:12:25.380and then what that begat was uh is that a word um all of these symbols popping up that you would
00:12:32.980see in the music industry and in hollywood kind of esoteric hollywood uh things and then from there
00:12:38.700i was a conspiracy theorist from maybe 16 years old to i would say 30 around 30 years old i have
00:12:49.040a demonic encounter and it's not just me my wife has the encounter and then my son who at the time
00:12:57.020is maybe four has the encounter and um it was horrifying and it was it lasted a number of days
00:13:06.820and i was desperate for it to stop and i couldn't get answers because so this was like a an oppression
00:13:14.800like they were actually coming after you oh i saw it my wife's physical manifestation right well
00:13:20.340it's hard to say physical because well spiritual realm we don't know yeah we don't really know
00:13:24.620um but yeah enough that um without me telling my wife that this thing was happening to me
00:13:32.140she described this entity to me and without our son being aware that we had seen this thing
00:13:37.520he described it and when that happened i was in such a state of desperation and had no way
00:13:43.760of recourse that for the first time in my life, I called out to Jesus Christ and the entire
00:13:49.180phenomenon stopped on a dime. And when that happened, I decided to finally entertain this
00:13:56.520thing that if you're in conspiracy is constantly showing itself. The Bible is constantly showing
00:14:00.960itself in conspiracy theory. Jesus is constantly showing up as an element within conspiracy
00:14:06.580theory, but I had never given it its due diligence because in the West, we've learned to kind of
00:14:11.620dismiss this. There's a cultural sort of psyop at play that Christianity is ridiculed and Christ
00:14:19.500is kind of put on the back burner. And if anything, it looks like maybe Christianity is a control
00:14:24.020mechanism for the masses or something to that effect. And so I had never really delved down
00:14:29.180that. I was willing to look into all things. If it was Crowley, I would say, well, what's this
00:14:32.940about? Or if it was, you know, the New World Order or something like that, any of the cliches,
00:14:38.560i would look at that but i'd always put christ on the back burner when this phenomenon stopped
00:14:43.140i decided not all at once to be perfectly honest it did take a year or two maybe even more than
00:14:50.680that maybe i'm being a little bit too generous to myself um before i oriented in that direction
00:14:55.920and genuinely started to explore the phenomenon and then i dedicated um a show to it was called
00:15:03.200the raven's watch and then i i shortly after that met up with top and we really began to focus on
00:15:10.360this thing on nephilim death squad so so much of what the audience sees is a relatively new walk
00:15:14.980uh with christ in in in you know my position specifically on the show i wasn't raised in the
00:15:21.020church not religious you know if you had to say anything maybe there was some ages of the elements
00:15:25.640of new age in my upbringing. But as a 30-something-year-old man, I'm now exploring it with an
00:15:33.420audience, and it's just the gift that keeps on giving.
00:15:37.320Yeah, that's awesome, brother. So as you guys, all three have discussed, I hear elements
00:15:41.800of my own walk and my own coming to Christ and everything you're talking about. Top,
00:15:45.920you mentioned something about how you're really learning more of what God wants for you and
00:15:51.000what he has for you, what he's put inside of you to come out with your gifts and talents.
00:15:55.080I had a guy try to explain that one to me. I was probably 19 or 20, and an older man who was a Christian was trying to share something with me to encourage me, and he took me to a Bible passage that you never hear anyone ever preach from, and it's Philemon, right?
00:16:09.380So he took me to the book of Philemon, verse 6, and verse 6 says, I pray that your partnership in the faith may become effective as you fully acknowledge every good thing that is ours in Christ.
00:16:20.960And the way he tried to explain this to me was that when we, you know, press into Christ and deepen on our discipleship, all the good things he's, he's like put into your personality are going to start to blossom and fruit out. Right. Versus when you press into the world, all that goodness that God created within you is going to get suppressed. Right. As you get overridden with a calloused heart and with destructive behaviors.
00:16:44.800And so I just like the fullness of my personality as God created coming out because I walk with Christ.
00:16:50.560I'd never heard that before. Right. And I thought that was amazing.
00:16:53.880And that's, you know, here I am doing everything that I've wanted to do all my life since coming to Christ.
00:16:59.140I'm finally doing it at 45 years, almost 46 now. And so that was just encouraging me.
00:17:03.640I also grew up in church. My father and grandfather were pastors and gave my but I don't feel like I really gave my heart to Christ until I was 17.
00:17:13.280and that was in the back of a minivan on i-95 in new jersey so like in new jersey where wait
00:17:19.100where in new jersey oh god literally literally on i-95 and on the highway in new jersey as we
00:17:23.780were driving oh that's funny i didn't have a normal church article moment like i had a
00:17:28.140radical conversion in a minivan on i-95 i was not i mean you know in all things considered uh
00:17:34.140where i was at the time was not far from i-95 in new jersey so uh i like that maybe there's maybe
00:17:39.380there's a special line running through new jersey yeah there's a there's actually a story that i
00:17:43.580tell that i i guess i really abbreviated for the my i don't really give my testimony that much i'll
00:17:48.780i'll just give bits and pieces as we go but uh there was a woman in the church that i went to
00:17:52.980as i was getting kicked out nobody knew i had a disagreement with the pastor a whole fallout
00:17:57.820but uh the congregation had no idea they just see me still up there doing the ministry and she uh
00:18:04.600she prophesies over me and she said that you're going to talk to millions of people one day
00:18:09.880um great plans and i told her like i said thanks but what i said was like in my in my mind f you
00:18:16.540this you know because i had one foot out i was still there but i was like i am leaving
00:18:21.200and this place has done me wrong that's not happening and every step that i took
00:18:26.480in a disobedience it was it was like a step this way and it always felt wrong i was like getting
00:18:33.080slapped down for doing what i was doing incorrectly um but it kept on like little by little degree by
00:18:39.000degree pushing me back into the orientation that well now i'm doing i'm doing exactly what she said
00:18:45.000yeah uh but i i didn't seek out to do it if that makes any sense yeah yeah i think our show sean
00:18:53.160is is um i mean we have a reputation for being rough around the edges but there's there's a
00:18:58.020a certain type of person that we talk to that I think the church and other
00:19:05.020And, and those are specifically people that are not only rough around the
00:19:08.080edges, but are of a conspiratorial mindset,
00:19:10.440because there's something about a conspiracy theorist that doesn't want to
00:19:14.720listen to somebody talk who doesn't know what they know. So, you know,
00:19:19.340maybe for example, this Epstein file thing, that's, that's big right now.
00:19:22.600It's like, if you don't know what the, what the Clintons are, are you know,
00:19:27.300what they're doing or what's going on on that island or something, then I don't even want to
00:19:30.900hear you talk. So a lot of pastors and things of that nature, they're grounded in Christ,
00:19:35.860they're grounded in scripture, they're not really aware of what the world's doing, which is honestly
00:19:40.020what we're called to do, right? We're not called to be in the world, or we're in the world, but not
00:19:45.640of the world. And so that's not really a fault of their own. But I think that you said earlier, God,
00:19:51.300you know, takes these elements of you that are of your personality. And as you gravitate towards
00:19:57.100him these things they they rise up they become tools um we were you know he comes from a political
00:20:03.740background i come from a kind of crazy conspiracies you know maybe even spiritual background um but
00:20:10.680all of that learning about this the political corruption and the the conspiratorial corruption
00:20:15.680allows us to talk to these people who wouldn't otherwise listen if you didn't know something
00:20:20.660that they know um we're a specific tool we're a very unique tool for a very unique group and
00:20:28.120and um and it took a long time you know you said that you're experiencing finally being able to do
00:20:34.220this thing in your 40s it was the same way for me i i did a podcast quite unsuccessfully for a long
00:20:40.860time for like six or seven years and they were podcasts on any given topic i would just talk to
00:20:47.100people who did something interesting or they were or they were comedy rooted to no success
00:20:51.540whatsoever. And I could feel it. I've achieved nothing except for by the grace of God. Once I
00:20:57.020oriented towards God, I was like, I'm listening, I'm moving towards you, I'm pursuing you and then
00:21:01.280talking about that. And, you know, I think going through this walk publicly, everything started
00:21:07.380coming together, I would never be able to attribute any of my success to my own desires or
00:21:14.740abilities because i did it for a long time with zero success and it was only once i oriented
00:21:20.800towards god that i found success yeah well i want to encourage you both because there is uh when
00:21:27.400people say oh you know your christians shouldn't be obsessed with conspiracy theories i'm just
00:21:32.340sitting there going hey have you read your bible because uh let me show you something that's in
00:21:36.560the bible and we should all we all have access to this information and this is actually a it's just
00:21:42.580a facebook post i did a long time ago but i go ahead and systematically document like through
00:21:46.660all the scriptures all the conspiracy theories in scripture so like you literally have people
00:21:51.860attacking haven eve you have the eugenics genocide and environmental destruction of genesis 60.68
00:21:56.320you have the entire world conspiring against the creator in genesis 11 with the tower of babel0.90
00:22:01.020you have incremental oppression and subjugation by the whole egyptian government and people
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00:22:39.720shill support for former oppressive government by internal turmoil and
00:22:42.580mutiny in number 16 with the rebellion of Korah.
00:22:46.020You've got weapons ban and oppressive government to fully subjugate the
00:22:48.740people in first Samuel 13 by the Philistines.
00:22:51.800You've got a genocide plot by government officials and Esther nine spies,
00:22:56.040sabotage and imprisonment of oppressive government toward people's champion
00:22:59.100and judges 16 when they're coming after Samson political and religious
00:23:03.140entrapment and false imprisonment in Daniel six.
00:23:05.140Like you just go down the list of all these different conspiracies.
00:23:07.920is the one samuel 13 is that the one where uh it says that they stopped making the weapons in
00:23:12.900israel and they were made uh the philistines were making them so they couldn't even make
00:23:16.260them when they needed them yeah they had a complete weapon not just a weapons ban but
00:23:19.780a weapons manufacturing ban yeah in all of this that's hard getting that list you got right there
00:23:25.380hits this is what we do uh i love that let me let me tell you the story sean of of the then of
00:23:30.440course to end it off real quick revelation 12 satan deceives the whole world like there's an
00:23:35.080actual it's stated that he's trying to deceive us all and he has minions that help him like it's a
00:23:41.280group effort for them to deceive the whole world and so yeah i'm sorry top go ahead no no it's all
00:23:46.840uh so as we said the show and its inception is comedy conspiracy and we are christian so we'll
00:23:51.740talk about uh we'll talk about that as well but it never leaned into christianity and we were doing
00:23:57.020a lot of comedy a lot of conspiracy and things like that uh doing live events with comedians
00:24:02.480and people and the last live event we did about two weeks before fell apart fantastically oh yeah
00:24:07.720got basically banned by the town for having a certain comedian um the people who were helping
00:24:13.120us with the show one of the one of the people that was like a third part of uh the organization
00:24:18.600of the show he just bailed out asked his audience not to come because i don't know for reasons
00:24:25.220pretty much unknown just kind of left and we were left to pick up the pieces and we found a new
00:24:31.820venue we still pulled off the performance and we did what we had to do but in the aftermath like
00:24:37.480you're left with this like sort of resentment this bitterness is like betrayal from so many
00:24:42.240different places but you're also left with this feeling of like wow that we still we still did a
00:24:47.040thing yeah and through that we're like well we could choose to be like really bitter and angry
00:24:51.460or we can kind of try to understand what happened here and from our understanding this was like a it
00:24:57.560was a weird spiritual attack and we were cleaved with we were cleaved to people that were not
00:25:04.020moving in the same direction as a matter of fact maybe a month or so after this whole incident
00:25:08.560happened we found out that one of their big problems with us when they were talking to other
00:25:12.760people behind our back was that they like oh they've been leaning so much into christianity
00:25:17.080lately that i don't like i don't really know because we were like leading up to it we were
00:25:21.700we were saying hey you know i want to take this more seriously we've been saying things on the
00:25:26.820show or or behaving you know it's comedy so we we say whatever we're like let's you should clean
00:25:31.640it up a little bit let's make the conscious effort to move in that direction they didn't
00:25:36.020like that and i feel like that was part of this like break but it was such a clean break that
00:25:39.540was bizarre and we were in a town we were talking to the people who own the town we were going to
00:25:44.880rent studio space above a coffee shop that was across the street from an event the event venue
00:25:49.760that we were going to perform at it all falls through in the most fantastic manner within like
00:25:53.560I mean, we were in the place. We were measuring for banners. Yeah. When we found out that we'd
00:26:00.440have to either kick out our comedian, Owen Benjamin, or we can't perform there. And I said,
00:26:06.260well, it's just not how I, that's not how I operate. I didn't even ask the guys, you know,
00:26:10.940and, and they're, you know, two thirds of the operation. I said, okay, thank you. And in my
00:26:16.320head, I'm like, we're getting a new venue. Either this guy has to go or we're getting a new venue
00:26:20.480because i'm not gonna cancel somebody that's not what that's not what we do not in my not in my
00:26:25.640kingdom we don't do that here um and why would you cancel owen it's gonna be a great time yeah
00:26:31.800because everybody else does and it's just you know it's just disgusting behavior from people but uh
00:26:36.100that happens clearly they've never listened to him because that's just gonna make them
00:26:39.980mock them even more which he did which we yeah which is exactly what happened we all got on
00:26:45.940stage and did that and it was it was kind of a it was our it was our like uh i don't know finale
00:26:51.220of of this like ruckus comedy but anyway this falls through the studio on top of the coffee shop
00:26:58.320that's gone because i'm not doing any business in in this town anymore it turns out the entire
00:27:02.700town it goes up to the mayor one day i walk into another coffee shop and i go coffee's pretty good
00:27:07.160here come back and the next time i'm wearing it's all right it's fine wearing my nephilim
00:27:13.060death squad t-shirt because i you know i i print and uh distribute t-shirts so he goes uh matt goes
00:27:19.760what do you know about the nephilim and we start having a conversation next thing you know i didn't0.96
00:27:24.320say it like that that's exactly how i said bro you know what a nephilim is you have a real nasty
00:27:28.680yeah we just did the face so we started having a conversation i realized i said this guy has a
00:27:32.960story to tell i interviewed him on the show i was like oh he's he's great on the mic as well
00:27:38.580I invited him to do some bible studies with us and it reminded me as you're pulling up those passages
00:27:44.740we were reading the book of Daniel and one of the special things about the bible studies that we do
00:27:48.980with Matt on the show is we're reading the bible and you're looking at these circumstances of old
00:27:54.860and I'm trying to imagine all the parts that the bible doesn't like extrapolate on so Daniel's in
00:28:00.240Babylon and he's in the political class for a really long time I'm like yeah they went through
00:28:05.040their epstein stuff they went through their you know stolen elections or whatever was going on
00:28:08.820in babylon there's a lot going on here a lot of politics back and forth and then these things are
00:28:13.080happening that he's writing about which are world changing and very important but it's just it's a
00:28:18.060fascinating look at the bible because it's a history book there are things happening it's a
00:28:22.480supernatural book and matt has been able to i mean we opened up a studio in his coffee shop but he's0.54
00:28:27.660been able to like kind of hold us by the hand as like two dumb kids who don't we're still like you
00:28:32.940know we're kind of like Ed Mabry did that oh yeah we as well we just have a lot of bad behavior
00:28:37.600a lot further down the road dude I hear the stories people tell me like the OG fans they
00:28:43.400tell me the old stories I'm like wow Ed was with you guys through all that to bring you like so
00:28:48.120far down the road so I got into it a lot later you guys were already as much though as as like
00:28:52.220you kind of say like it was yeah sure it was a conscious decision to try to be a better ambassador
00:28:57.160of of Christ you know to be a better representation of Christianity it kind of was less that and more
00:29:02.920in my opinion that if you earnestly seek god and you and you communicate with him and you ask
00:29:08.680he works in your life and like the way that i've described it is like things that i thought were
00:29:14.740going to be painful to let go of they don't come off at once and they kind of fall off as you start
00:29:21.100moving it was super painful when we're like we have set up and just kicking against the pricks
00:29:25.540the entire time we're like we're setting up a studio here in this place and it's great because
00:29:29.740it's above a coffee shop and we can you know have our guests come in have a coffee go upstairs and
00:29:33.640interview them and it's like this it just seemed like the thing i was like yeah this is the way
00:29:38.340right this is how how we're supposed to do it and then god was like no and then i walked into here
00:29:44.000yeah close but no yeah it's actually you're going to open up a studio inside of a coffee shop and
00:29:48.720the owner is going to ask you to do it and it's going to move forward in this weird community way
00:29:53.140and i was just like that's cool the hell knew yeah it's insane it's actually it's actually insane
00:29:57.800because it doesn't make any sense what's happening yeah so now after that we're not only do we have
00:30:01.600this live thing where audience members will come and see us but matt now does a show on our on our
00:30:06.640channel called straight bible which is like we wanted to add something to what we do and i'm
00:30:11.500glad that we we added that i i do want to give some flowers to matt he has an unbelievable ability
00:30:16.600to help people like me which maybe are the illiterate uh understand scripture uh in a way
00:30:22.800where i wasn't able to uh before that's cool so is straight bible the full name or is it
00:30:27.580is it short for straight bible no chasers it's straight bible straight bible is the full name
00:30:33.800it's it's on our channel um and the audience loves it i mean like i said we we're taking
00:30:38.280conspiracy theorists in who are bible curious a lot of people are already there but um this is
00:30:46.400you know to to be able to give that back like okay god has helped us build this thing without god we
00:30:51.360wouldn't be able to build this thing now we get to share his word with people i couldn't do it
00:30:56.440i have a specific skill set um i don't know if top could have done it but he wasn't you know it
00:31:01.420was like when we found matt he he filled a need in a in a really huge way and also we we sort of
00:31:08.240filled a need he's been doing straight bible in his bed in your bedroom right by yourself by
00:31:12.620yourself yeah he doesn't understand cameras or microphones well yeah and little bible studies
00:31:16.960and stuff and yeah but now he gets to talk to thousands of people yeah no that was cool yeah
00:31:22.300because so for like a long time i've gotten up early to study scripture and specifically to read
00:31:26.520from like genesis to revelation and then once you finish revelation go back to genesis and read
00:31:32.240through to revelation and just continue doing that and then that's just been this really rad
00:31:36.960time to be alone with god right and then all of a sudden there's this outlet for for all that to
00:31:43.060go somewhere but then it's just a whole new time period now it's just like me and the lord used to
00:31:47.080have a lot of time alone with like no agenda it was just we're talking about whatever we we want
00:31:51.940to talk about and then now it's more specific like we're doing episodes now on uh we're doing a
00:31:57.040series on the sermon on the mount so it's like it's not necessarily like first thing in the
00:32:00.880morning i'm like hey lord it's just me and you we're talking about anything we want it now it's
00:32:05.240kind of shifted a little bit more to like all right i'm working through this series on sermon
00:32:08.500on the mount which it just is what it is i just think there's different phases in life you know
00:32:12.060yeah so how do you guys yeah that's that sounds like a wonderful uh you know divinely appointed
00:32:19.400little setup that god put you guys together so what how do you guys handle in your studies and
00:32:24.220your shows um the concept of you know like what's generally called pseudepigraphal deuterocanonical
00:32:30.600books like the the books that i know we have a the western tradition is 66 books but a lot of times
00:32:39.260to hear you guys talking about content from books outside of those 66. Matt, are you okay with that?
00:32:45.880Is that part of your studies as well? How do you guys as a three? Hey, Ontario, come on down to
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00:33:17.520with iGaming Ontario. I'd say kicking and screaming. I'm just saying it's not really
00:33:25.940my jam. It's not really my specialty. I've read Enoch. It's interesting, but I just think that
00:33:32.020we've got our hands full with the 66 books, man. There's so much content there. I'm intrigued in
00:33:37.780any kind of books that elaborate i mean i guess i've read jasher and you know a handful of other
00:33:42.140things which jasher is wild i'm like was this just like a comic book of that day like well this is
00:33:46.800the wildest book it is a wild book right i studied it for many years because i was kind of intrigued
00:33:52.320in a in a like you know you know razor eyebrow like the rock kind of intrigued you know like
00:33:57.800like wait a minute what's going on here they're running on top of corn stalks uh you've got you
00:34:02.220know aug is as big so big that he can pick up a rock that can destroy all two all two million
00:34:07.460israelites at one time like what's going on here um it just and there were some dates and names and
00:34:13.040places that i wasn't seeing line up with genesis and so i did some further in research and i don't
00:34:17.800know if you guys have ever seen any of our previous content on our channel but for years me and some
00:34:21.760other buddies we do a show called honor of kings and we investigate the manuscript chain of custody
00:34:27.100history as well as the theological claims from these pseudepigraphal books and our our investigation
00:34:32.380of jasher got the thumbs down um because it looks to be tracing back just to a talmudic
00:34:39.260rabbinic literature from the second century a.d with no earlier manuscript chain of custody before
00:34:44.460that and there's so many theological contradictions with the actual canon of 66 you know we we're not
00:34:50.540like an official council or nothing but like uh we don't we don't grave any credence to the old
00:34:54.940school councils anyway because those are just a bunch of men that got together as well so but we
00:34:58.920we ended up giving it the thumbs down because we were like man it's just so many things that don't
00:35:02.360line up in here it's weird it's making fallacious claims it's making sensational claims that seem to
00:35:07.320be even more sensational than you read in the book of enoch and you're like why what other christian
00:35:13.280communities throughout time ever included this and you find out none of them ever did and then
00:35:17.380you're like oh this is interesting but um but things like enoch and jubilees and the testament
00:35:21.62012 patriarchs there is an interesting history with those three and all three of those works
00:35:26.060of literature like thematically and theologically all are congruent with the 66 and with each other
00:35:32.140and so that's what um we we do pull from those a lot on our videos and our studies of the nephilim
00:35:38.340and the the watchers that rebelled and you know some of the concepts that we feel give us give us
00:35:43.600extra details so for example like if i was back in the days you know if i was like in the first
00:35:48.940century AD, I would be asking questions like, why is Jude quoting from 1 Enoch 1? What's the
00:35:58.300deal here, right? And I've had people come back to me and say, well, Paul quoted from Greek sex0.97
00:36:02.700poets. You can't just take everything they quote from. I'm like, no, no, Jude is actually teaching
00:36:07.560theology by quoting this. He's actually teaching about the second coming of Christ by quoting
00:36:11.860this, right, which Christ is all through the book of Enoch. So it's a fascinating concept.
00:36:17.320Then I found out around the end of the first century A.D. into the turn of the second century, there was a specific rabbi named Rabbi Akiva, and he was the one that decided to, quote-unquote, close the Jewish canon.
00:36:30.300And what he did was he took books like Enoch and Jubilees, and he didn't call them heretical or he didn't even call them pseudepigraphal.
00:36:37.500He just said, these are sacred writings, but I don't want the average person reading them, so we're going to leave them out of the canon.
00:36:43.500and they and he referred to them as what's called the left out books or the outside books
00:36:48.240so there's an interesting modern day scholar um her name is uh she's like the head of the
00:36:53.440hebrew university in israel today her name is um i'm going blank on her name my my uh
00:36:58.680my audience knows guys put it in the live chat what's this uh um dr uh gosh i can't i'm going
00:37:05.300blank on her name but she doesn't she did a whole speech like this very controversial speech
00:37:09.180um from her position as uh emeritus of the dead sea scrolls the professor emeritus of the dead
00:37:16.020sea scrolls and research into this this time period the concept of this uh hebrew history
00:37:20.900and the hebrew literature and in her speech this was like in 2016 i believe she basically said to
00:37:28.060all rachel eliar thank you symbol of peace thank you brother rachel eliar dr rachel eliar she said
00:37:33.720basically like there was a very unique shift in early judaism and first century to second
00:37:40.640century ed to where they started leaving out books like enoch jubilees in the testament of
00:37:44.800patriarchs and that's why christian communities still put them in some of their canons but yet
00:37:51.000the jewish canon closed off and didn't keep them because of this rabbinic decision so like enoch
00:37:56.360do you have any idea what that rabbinic decision would have been like why yeah because it sounds
00:38:01.560awfully nefarious right we're going to keep the average person from having access to that what was
00:38:05.280the the conventional explanation of that the idea the the commonly stated accusation was that the
00:38:11.880average person is not wise enough to read these oh it's going to cause too much problems with
00:38:17.760understanding and it's too difficult to explain it and all that it's basically them saying we're
00:38:21.860extremely lazy teachers and we don't want to go through the details with these people um but hey
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00:39:00.200pointed towards fulfillment of prophecy for christ and judaism was clamping down because christ was
00:39:04.720growing like wildfire and all in disciples christ was growing like wildfire and they were trying to
00:39:08.760clamp down this is why during around that same time they made a final decree to kick all christians
00:39:12.960out of the synagogues as well and so um but going then starting from that point forward into christian
00:39:19.080history you start to see like the ethiopian church did include anican jubilees and then the armenian
00:39:24.560church later included the testament of the 12 patriarchs which also talks about the days of
00:39:29.120knocking giants and rebellious angels and taking women and wives and all that kind of stuff and so
00:39:33.020it's fascinating to me because fourth century ad here comes this this guy named augustine which
00:39:38.760i'm you know i'm i'm the least fan of augustine like of all the church fathers i think he was a
00:39:43.980problem i think he should have taken out bat and beat with lashes that dude should have been like
00:39:47.680removed from the public discourse he just caused a whole bunch of theological issues
00:39:51.180and he's the one who started this narrative that you hear from some churches about the sons of seth
00:39:56.920he's the one that started this narrative because he he did not like a literal spiritual interaction
00:40:03.140of spiritual beings with the earth because he came from a previous manichaean background which
00:40:07.920is a gnostic philosophy background the gnostic philosophy doesn't believe the spiritual world
00:40:12.120can interact with the physical world and so he didn't like what genesis 6 was saying very clearly
00:40:17.560saying he didn't like the idea that job wanted to identify the benaiah as the sons of god and not
00:40:24.200sons of seth or none of that not so he creates this other narrative to reinterpret it in the
00:40:28.620same way he tried to reinterpret the story of adam and eve and he said that was just allegory
00:40:32.840that wasn't literal completely ignoring the genealogical record of genesis 5 genesis 11 and
00:40:37.640you know so like so he had some issues you know i do a deep dive study on my channel with the
00:40:43.560church fathers and stuff and he had some issues but that picked up over time and now you see it
00:40:49.180most prominently taught from the Southern Baptist Association and the Southern Baptist
00:46:00.300but secondly the horn concept that they would put on certain statues was to signify rulership
00:46:06.780so this is why like you know you um this is why in my opinion daniel is making such a do about the
00:46:14.320little horn that's being referenced because he's the one who actually is the most important to
00:46:19.080look at even though he's got a little horn because he is a ruler whom others who's who's taking over
00:46:23.880other kingdoms and nations so um sorry go ahead i was just going to say but that concept of
00:46:30.160you know, worshiping like something good, like we already have that, you know, the serpent made
00:46:37.240of brass that Moses put on a pole. Like we have that story where he did that and anyone who looked
00:46:41.540upon it would be saved. And then you get into like, it must be one Kings or two Kings or one
00:46:45.980or two Chronicles somewhere in there that they were worshiping it. Now that Israel was worshiping0.71
00:46:50.460that actual pole. And then was it Hezekiah that said, called it Nehusiastan. I think it is something0.81
00:46:56.720like that he said yo this is just a thing of brass this is just a thing and he destroyed it
00:47:01.220but so like you could see where yeah they had the actual body of moses you know yeah who knows what
00:47:06.780they would have did with it well it's like they supposedly have the the severed or the skull of
00:47:10.960of mary magdalene or the body of nimrod somewhere yeah yeah yeah well i mean there's a bunch of
00:47:16.320these things that yeah they make supposedly yeah john the baptist was his foot or his hand
00:47:21.080yeah one of the one of the five footers hands yeah and then it's in a museum and they worship
00:47:26.320it yeah yeah you mean like pickled pig's feet in the hood have you ever seen like a foot that's
00:47:33.460right quarter quarter for you this whole school carnival oh no yeah and then they're they're
00:47:40.580worshiping it uh let me see if i can find this mary magdalene skull you've never seen this image
00:47:44.480man well i mean guys this is this this is like mankind this is what the unclean spirits influence
00:47:48.940mankind to to behave as i mean we've got dudes praying to a wall in israel and you've got you've0.92
00:47:54.680got muslims walking circles around a box and playing to pray into a black stone right did0.83
00:48:01.060you guys know by the time we have a stone has a history by the way what's the history of it is1.00
00:48:06.880it supposedly uh uh that it fell from the sky no yeah yeah so not only do we have a first mention
00:48:12.780of in acts 19 but there was a roman emperor in the third century ad his name was el gabala and
00:48:19.020he was from syria and he actually came became a roman emperor and tried to force out zeus or
00:48:24.420jupiter worship and replace it with the syrian sun god el gabalus whom el gabala was the guy's
00:48:31.160name who became emperor and he was the high priest to the god el gabalus the syrian sun god and when
00:48:37.180he took over the roman empire he tried to force out jupiter worship and replace it with his god
00:48:41.900right because he was the high priest who was god and it caused a huge stir he ended up dying
00:48:46.060shortly because people turned on him but the point is he had a parade for the four years he
00:48:50.960was emperor every summer he had a parade with the black stone on a cart that he carried through the
00:48:55.260city and and that worshiped the black stone and he brought that there was a temple to that black
00:49:00.780stone in syria which which was an arab settlement anyway there's a whole history there there's a0.98
00:49:07.160whole history of that stupid black stone and this is where um people literally are worshiping rocks0.98
00:49:12.420like this is what the unclean spirits will cause you to devolve into it's absolute uh profound1.00
00:49:17.980stupidity you know where you're worshiping a rock it's a weird time because right now you have uh0.98
00:49:23.060candace owens and and nick fuentes right they're like these big kind of characters that aren't0.99
00:49:29.120necessarily in our space like this kind i mean they're they're within catholicism they're not
00:49:33.920in conspiracy but they've been going in that direction lately and you know not only has uh
00:49:38.960candace owens been kind of introducing people to the idea of like uh astral projection and and uh
00:49:44.640reptilians time travel etc which i i'm curious more so less about those topics and more so about
00:49:50.720the audience that that's reaching now who wasn't really getting that before and um i saw nick
00:49:55.520fuentes talking about you know the rock and and how well the you know the the muslims were taught
00:50:02.240by satan that this is a representation of the black cube of saturn that sat like he goes how0.55
00:50:08.760did the how did the muslims know that there was a hexagonal storm on saturn's north pole and he
00:50:15.580goes because satan told him and look i mean if you want to hash out the details of it that's one
00:50:21.020thing it's more fascinating to me the the audience that this information is reaching it feels like
00:50:28.340we're in this time it's a cult knowledge that's it's a cult knowledge yeah and it's reaching an
00:50:32.800audience that previously was entirely unaware of this they're glomming onto these characters
00:50:37.960because they're compelling political characters so the bar for entry is super low you get in there
00:50:42.940to have this you know political point of view and all of a sudden they're serving you up this
00:50:46.560esoteric knowledge and you know everything is just in such flux right now with you have uap
00:50:52.520disclosure whether or not that's going to happen and uh and you know these epstein files it's like
00:50:56.940all at once if you want to use you could use the analogy of a veil getting pulled back and i don't
00:51:04.060know if that's such a great thing because i think the vast majority of people are unequipped to
00:51:08.680understand these things and i'm not saying that i understand i'm just saying there is a real danger
00:51:13.460with uh misunderstanding these things or leaning on your own understanding and coming to the wrong
00:51:18.840conclusions on these matters that was a i guess that's a bit of our crux of argument with
00:51:23.820alvarino at the time yeah uh it wasn't so much about any of the points he's bringing forward but
00:51:30.700more about why are you not constantly leaning back or the whistleblowers that you're talking
00:51:38.800to they're not approaching this research through the lens of jesus christ and you know the answers
00:51:45.320that we got back from him were i i'd say largely unsatisfactory but i don't even know i don't want
00:51:49.140to control your show and like steer it in a weird direction no but i understand what you're saying
00:51:54.460yeah i heard candace talking about how she was relaying a conversation she had with charlie
00:52:01.420about how they both astral projected and didn't know what it was and that kind of stuff and
00:52:05.060and i'm sitting there going like why isn't whoever because i believe candace has become
00:52:09.980catholic so like whoever is her bishop needs to sit down with her and start to explain to her hey
00:52:14.280you know if this is something you did experience previous in your life this is not something
00:52:19.120we want to promote now right because this is definitely not not something we want to be
00:52:23.140teaching christians that is should be normal will be thought of as normal um so yeah i think that
00:52:27.460there's um i i just don't know how how involved when people say they become catholic i don't know
00:52:32.280how involved they are with their bishops or priests or whatever for counseling guidance you
00:52:36.300know i don't know their structure um but i think it's interesting about the overload of information
00:52:41.060that you're talking about especially like with the epstein files it reminds me of a of a quote
00:52:45.260from george orwell's 1984 by the way i know it's not scripture but i love that book um because i
00:52:50.080it was like one of the first books i read as a kid that really impacted me but there's a quote
00:52:54.060he says in here when he's trying to like dissect and explain uh the the overflow of knowledge
00:53:00.380leading to less sanity yeah and he says and the quote is in general the greater the understanding
00:53:07.160the greater the delusion the more intelligent the less sane and so this is yeah this is a
00:53:15.080concept where they're like oh you want you want to know what all the elites are doing you don't
00:53:19.800know what the the ways of the world you don't know behind the scenes mechanisms that drive reality
00:53:24.080here's all of it you're not going to understand 10 of it here's all of it in fact as you grasp
00:53:29.920to understand because we're not going to give you the context we're not going to give you the
00:53:33.220connecting details that make that make sense and so as you grasp for understanding with all this
00:53:38.120overload of info you're going to sound crazy yeah and meanwhile they just push their own narrative
00:53:42.700Well, that's the thing that I'm worried. So, you know, that great context that you're talking about, that great connective tissue for me was Jesus Christ.
00:53:50.980It was the thing that pulled all of these conspiratorial elements into a frame that that made a lot more sense.
00:53:57.380And I wonder for all these people who aren't grounded in Christ now, there's there's there's one form of, let's say, following Christ where you lack still the framework to incorporate this into it.
00:54:10.320And then it throws your faith into flux.
00:54:12.080And that's something that I'm concerned about, you know, during this time, the New Age points to this time where there's going to be a consolidation of religions, a falling away from Christianity and the multitudes of religion, and then an adherence to one conglomerative religion that's typically under some sort of what alien presence or something.
00:54:30.440And I think it's fascinating that we're on the on the cusp of that right now.
00:54:33.300I also think it's fascinating that 1948 was written, well, it's written between 1945 released and 1948, bulk of the work done in 1948, and 1947 to 1950 is a really interesting time period for America when we're talking about all of these things.
00:54:50.620The conspiracy writ large, everything in the Epstein files was kind of developed, and I mean, from our knowledge, from 1947 on.
00:54:59.000that's when you have scrolls is that time period is the implementation of israel you name it whatever
00:55:04.640the truman doctrine everything happened at that cia starts right after that yeah it's yeah it's a
00:55:10.820weird it's a weird time but the other thing that uh concerns me you know obviously right like you
00:55:15.660said with more information it's it's it's not exactly wisdom uh and understanding that comes
00:55:20.680with it it's it's it's more confusion typically and i think if you're going through this whole
00:55:25.440conspiracy avenue as i have for a long time if you're not constantly allowing yourself to admit
00:55:32.040that you don't know anything because every time something is revealed to you it's only a revelation
00:55:36.960of how much you didn't understand previously therefore you're probably in a constant state of
00:55:41.380not understanding the whole picture if you can stay grounded in that and not lean on your own
00:55:46.100intellect and not imagine that you know beyond what the average person does then you might be
00:55:51.180able to have some sanity through this if not if you begin to believe that your own intellect can
00:55:56.580carry you to the finish line i do really believe that that's what leads to madness but what happens
00:56:00.600when you have a revelation that not only causes confusion but it causes um this spiritual
00:56:07.860negativity to fall upon you in other words we're showing to you the horrors of mankind which by the
00:56:13.680way is that's the world right and it's always been that way you go through the bible they've always0.82
00:56:18.180been worshiping fallen gods they've always been sacrificing uh you know humans children there's
00:56:23.440been uh slavery and all these horrific things that have taken place the world is in a constant
00:56:28.360state of that and so all that's happening now is it'll be revealed to you that that is still the
00:56:33.000case um but these things are going to what they're going to evoke we were just talking about this
00:56:38.460with ed mabry on the last episode we did right before we came here um sadness fear anger rage
00:56:44.920right and these things are this is what demonic entities things that are in the spiritual realm
00:56:50.920that are in opposition to god they want you to be in this state if you're not grounded in christ
00:56:56.360in a real meaningful way and you're going through this the the information overload creates that
00:57:02.720madness and the the the spiritual heaviness of all this i mean i don't think that um people say
00:57:11.200they want the epstein files and i'm not saying that you shouldn't know the truth but i'm just
00:57:15.500saying if you're not grounded in christ and if you've not been aware of this for some time i was
00:57:21.580blessed to have come upon these these elements when there wasn't like a real sense of urgency
00:57:27.180i would not want to find it all out at once i don't think that well even in the occult they
00:57:34.120that's why they have you know the the degrees right the degrees of knowledge that they teach
00:57:38.540And then within their initiation ritual, you learn by degree because they know the average initiate can't handle all of it.
00:57:44.700By the way, guys, did you know, I don't know how often you guys delve into the Septuagint translation, but there's actually in Deuteronomy 2317 in the Septuagint, it actually mentions initiates, which I thought was fascinating.
00:57:58.380so um it basically just it like the mesoretic text which is the most predominant text most
00:58:03.840most of us read in english um it it says uh you know do not let your sons or daughters become
00:58:09.500prostitutes and uh do not let your men be um what does it say i think they don't know what the sons
00:58:14.140of israel yeah let me just go ahead and read it real quick but it's um it's fascinating because0.96
00:58:20.360it completely leaves this part out but you have to read the septuagint to see it it's in dm 23
00:58:25.040verse 17 and um and i do believe it's talking about the secret initiation cults um so it says
00:58:32.720in the masoretic no no daughter or son of israel is to be a shrine prostitute and that's all it
00:58:37.000says just that one line but if you look at the masoretic it says um it says there shall not be0.51
00:58:44.880a harlot of the daughters of israel and there shall not be a fornicator of the sons of israel
00:58:48.760and there shall not be an idolatrous of the daughters of israel and they're not and there
00:58:53.000shall not be an initiated person of the sons of israel initiated person well what what do we
00:58:58.800learn from jamie dyer about about the the females in in these temples in these pagan temples they're0.90
00:59:04.220like prostitutes but they're also almost like priests there's like a weird overlapping yeah of0.97
00:59:08.800yeah idols here and then you just said fornication as well which is a word that i was trying to0.98
00:59:13.760explain to matt poorly that fornication doesn't doesn't necessarily mean uh sex outside of0.54
00:59:19.600marriage it's speaking of a spiritual sexual sin which is i mean read the epstein files it seems
00:59:25.340like what they what the elite it was a part of their i'm going to address what you're saying
00:59:30.560plus the question in the comments here it's a part of the ancient idol ritual worship which was it
00:59:35.900wasn't just simply they brought a vow offering of grain or a lamb or something they did those two
00:59:40.520but then after they gave their offering to that god they engaged in libations and usually drug
00:59:45.820use and then some sort of sexual activity whether it was with the male or female prostitute whether0.99
00:59:49.640it was an orgy in the back room or whether it was eating or drinking children's blood0.99
00:59:53.520or sacrificing their own child for for prosperity so like it was the whole thing was nasty but
00:59:59.560many of them they had a a ritual called leaping over the threshold and you see this mentioned
01:00:04.680in uh i think it's um i want to say it's in either first kings or or first chronicles but there's a
01:00:12.220or maybe it's Isaiah. I can't remember the exact address right now, but there's a, there's an
01:00:16.220ancient concept about leaping over the threshold. And that was a part of the initiation into the
01:00:20.860cult. And I don't know how much study you guys have done on Freemasons, but that is literally
01:00:25.100their first and second steps to be initiated as a Freemason is they claim that once you step over
01:00:31.280the threshold into their Masonic temple, you are agreeing to all the things that you're about to
01:00:35.840be initiated into. And it's literally, I think there's something like that tied in with, was it
01:00:41.180with Dagon because they took the was when they took the Ark of the Covenant back they put it in
01:00:45.540the same uh section with Dagon the fish head and then boom that he fell over it's interesting though
01:00:50.120because in the spiritual realm everything is based off of consent but you give consent dude
01:00:53.980what are you talking about another thing I did kind of want to uh go back to a little bit though
01:00:57.940we're talking about like all this release of this stuff and all this information and this overload
01:01:02.000of information in Psalms 1 it talks about like um the counsel of the ungodly and I just think we
01:01:07.660live in a day and a time where we just all have to be so mindful about the counsel of the ungodly
01:01:12.300because it's not necessarily what you would call like good or bad counsel right like you just have
01:01:16.820all these dudes it could be joe rogan it could be the guy elon musk it could be laird hamilton if
01:01:22.740you're into that kind of thing or goggins or cam haynes it could be these dudes it's like good
01:01:27.580maybe it's good for your life or whatever but it's still the counsel of the ungodly and we just have
01:01:31.840to be mindful of like balancing that out with like the counsel of god right like that's the main
01:01:36.980thing right now is as we're all this information is just being downloaded on to everybody just
01:01:41.600like keeping it in the context of the word of god and this is why we keep matt on the third seat
01:01:46.580because we will spin off into crazy and it's so easy to do if you don't have this uh this firm
01:01:54.080foundation or this center stone that you can go okay we have to come back to that yeah like we
01:01:58.720can touch the edges a little bit but man don't go too far and make sure you get back to to stasis
01:02:04.380You know, with this release, though, I don't think that they they necessarily want people to be uninitiated. I think that they are making great efforts to initiate the public. It seems like a lot of what they hope to do in the occult or let's say even within the intelligence agencies in their operations like MKUltra and things like that. People are familiar with that.
01:02:24.320They hope to do it at scale. And so what you see happening in, let's say, a Masonic lodge or what you see happening in in an intelligence agency, you know, sterile laboratory environment, they do hope to implement that at scale, you know, to the masses.
01:02:42.780And I think that with the with the ritual that that allows you to sort of like they use Jacob's ladder as their analogy for climbing the rungs of ladder.
01:02:51.240And this is, you know, each one represents a new level of gnosis.
01:02:56.320They do that to us, but they do it through media, mostly, I would say.
01:03:01.440Now, they do it through the Super Bowl. Yeah. The Super Bowl is a great example.
01:03:04.560Large traumatic events. Right. Could be a trauma sort of loose harvesting thing.
01:03:09.520but i also think you know the the the twin towers for example representing like the divine feminine
01:03:15.580and the divine masculine you know they they become eliminated and then what is erected instead is is
01:03:20.380one tower this joining of the the genders it also is a multitude of other things like most things
01:03:25.840in ritual are but it's it's we're subjected to it at scale so yeah the super bowl you might be
01:03:32.820exposed to like let's say the last super bowl they did quite a bit of like divine feminine symbolism
01:03:38.260right and and it goes over the vast majority of people's heads i do wonder about the subconscious
01:03:42.740um that goes back to the deuteronomy uh in the septuagint that you're pointing at
01:03:47.500this uh the idea of prostitution in the temple is worship of the divine feminine it kind of
01:03:52.160always goes back to isis or i forget the other names of the gods that were being deified in0.71
01:03:56.580these temples astartes was the female uh fertility god that's right with oftentimes worshiped alongside0.98
01:04:04.280on bale or el the it's funny too because these uh these divine feminine kind of you know goddess
01:04:12.060uh archetypes what they typically will you know it espouses a female liberation but when you look
01:04:18.480around there's like prostitution and sex slavery and everything and it's it's funny how those things
01:04:22.000go hand in hand because the same thing happens in the west now what you think is like the the height0.99
01:04:27.360of the the feminist movement and and this you know divine feminine female liberation thing often0.95
01:04:33.320results in some sort of uh you know sex trafficking prostitution and these things are
01:04:39.060are uh presented in some ways as like sexual liberation it's just funny the language of
01:04:44.920things is almost like spellcasting which is really what the exodus 32 chapter that we broke down uh
01:04:50.340last week or the week before like moses comes down the mountain and they got the golden calf
01:04:53.900and then it says that they're like in the king james i think it says that they're like uh eating
01:04:57.920and dancing and playing something to that extent sean could probably understand that a little bit
01:05:02.400more than we do yeah look up the definition of that word play yeah that had to be some sexual
01:05:06.960uh thing to a false god specifically right yeah they they did worship bill 100 now there's a
01:05:13.300you know i i'm what you would many people would class me as what you would call tour observance
01:05:17.800just because i i try to observe the sabbath and eat clean but um a group here just finished
01:05:24.100started to cut you off but that but that's a group we have every friday same thing man and
01:05:27.780They had it. They had it. Um, there was actually a feast here last week. It's not, she said it's
01:05:32.340not a biblical feast, but it's something that's celebrated now. Do you know, do you know what
01:05:35.500that was? Would have been last Friday? Hmm. No. Okay. We have a group every Friday that
01:05:43.060Lisa rules and top's been to it too. Top likes it. She teaches like, uh, the biblical calendar,
01:05:49.160the feast days, the, you know, the appointed times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure
01:05:54.260what calendar she's on if she's doing a feast last friday other than just the weekly sap because
01:05:59.700because leviticus 23 calls both the weekly sabbaths plus all the yearly feasts it calls them
01:06:03.780all feasts of god and holy convocations but um but basically like i uh in in that community of
01:06:12.400people that you know would be classified as that um they often um i just went blank what were we
01:06:19.320talking about guys sorry you were torah observant and we were talking about how we have a group here
01:06:23.820that does it uh every week too no i apologize it was something that's um i think divine feminine
01:06:29.500we were talking about that earlier and and how that's uh oh yeah you're talking about exodus 32
01:06:33.460yet so there's a there's a some prominent tour based ministries that for about a decade or more
01:06:39.520have taught a different interpretation of exodus 32 and we we strongly disagree with it because like
01:06:44.560i do a lot of historical research on these false gods and the golden calf that they built at the
01:06:51.340base mount sinai is 32 is another representation of the apis pool it's another representation of
01:06:57.540baal that egypt did worship baal there's an entire exodus 14 bales of fawn there was an entire temple
01:07:03.200um on top of the mountain overlooking the bump the place of the red cross the red sea crossing
01:07:08.240this interchangeable with hathor well hathor would be the female personification of the consort to
01:07:15.200baal so like they would call their wives consorts and then they would make up a whole bunch of them
01:07:19.460have different personifications of them so i don't know if you're are you familiar with this
01:07:24.260phenomenon that's taking place right now it's it's prominent within the uap community um but
01:07:29.260there are characters ryan bledsoe and chris bledsoe uh it seems like they're they're moving towards
01:07:33.700disclosure i know we've been saying that for quite some time but what's fascinating is these guys are
01:07:38.560um loud voices within the uap community and they have a message recently to deliver and it is that
01:07:46.640uh ryan bled so the father is in communication with something that he calls the lady and the
01:07:52.120lady he is telling people is mother mary but she goes by multitudes of names one of those names
01:07:58.940being hathor which i think is is fascinating super red flag huge red flag but yeah i do think sean
01:08:07.220that it's actually going to play if we do end up going to this place where we see ufo disclosure
01:08:11.200um the divine feminine the goddess and if you think about our culture and and where we've
01:08:17.580gotten to with the feminist movement uh the feminization of men the the masculinization
01:08:22.200of women um i i feel like in some way shape or form the groundwork is kind of being laid for
01:08:28.780this phenomenon a lot of abductee experiencers will talk about the lady um for example ryan
01:08:36.760bledsoe it's actually kind of horrifying what he's been through if you believe what he's been
01:08:39.940through but he says something to the effect of he was beset upon plagued effectively by grays for a0.97
01:08:45.760while and then what ends up happening is in a good cop bad cop sort of scenario he meets the lady
01:08:51.220and the lady is you know loving and very similar to um uh what's this guy's name with the uap
01:08:58.200recovery jake barber jake barber who's recovering this egg-shaped uap this takes place like last
01:09:03.300year it's on the news and uh he says in the interview about the recovery of this uap
01:09:08.400that is suddenly he's filled with this spirit of this woman
01:09:12.960and it feels loving, overwhelming amounts of love,
01:09:15.920like a goddess is how he describes it.
01:09:18.060And I think this character is going to come play a part in this,
01:09:21.100but in a good cop, bad cop sort of scenario,
01:09:23.780she exposes to Ryan Bledsoe in his own testimony
01:09:26.660that she controls the Greys and that she can make this stop.
01:09:32.120In this experience, he's also shown his family, I believe, murdered.
01:09:38.200There's this element of if you don't go forth and spread this information, you know, then this is something that could happen to you.
01:09:45.160So now he's out here and he's saying to people that this is Mary, which is interesting because it kind of brings into question the Fatima experience, you know, where Mary supposedly shows herself to multitudes of people.
01:09:56.620I think it's like 7000 people. And and there's even an element of a craft, a spinning silver disc that's involved in this scenario.
01:10:06.800Somehow there's and this could be one of the huge downfalls with idol worship.
01:10:12.500I know that the Catholic Church came out not long ago. I don't know if this is still standing, but they called Mary co-redeemer alongside Christ.
01:10:21.020This is a huge problem if you're idolizing Mary, Queen of Heaven.
01:10:25.180right um if you're idolizing mary and all of a sudden something slips in and not to say that
01:10:32.700something couldn't impersonate christ i do think that that's a real uh you know real threat for
01:10:37.000people there's all kinds of ideas like pleiadian jesus and and new age jesus and this and that
01:10:42.060um but it's just another hole in the game if you're engaging in idol worship if mary is your
01:10:46.980idol of choice and a thing comes down posing as mary also going by the name uh ishtar which is
01:10:53.420one of the names that that um ryan bledsoe gave and hathor uh as well as mother mary and the lady
01:10:59.180so it's a it's a bizarre phenomenon but it's this divine feminine yeah that is consistent with the
01:11:05.000ancient uh depictions of of of isis and hathor and ishtar that ishtar would just been like the
01:11:11.660equivalent of isis or hathor in fact i've in my best game babylon series i actually have a few
01:11:16.840segments where i show the historical connection where you know historians secular historians
01:11:22.400actually admit that there is a syncretism between hathor and ishtar and so because there was a
01:11:30.580prominent narrative within academia for many years trying to trying to segment like oh the
01:11:35.520canaanite gods are different from the egyptian gods and they were different from the greek gods
01:11:38.880but then in the past 20 years they've finally come out i think we talked about this in one of
01:11:43.740our previous interviews but they finally started to come out and say okay no there's a ton of
01:11:47.460syncretism here like they're calling a different name because they speak a different language but
01:11:50.980the god personifies exactly the same thing to each culture they worship in exactly the same way
01:11:56.340you know i mean so like well what's interesting about hathar and isis is that not only are they
01:12:01.220a feminine goddess personification of the consorts of ra but they're also have a different person
01:12:09.720isis and hathor has a different personification to be the eye of ra which i think is fascinating
01:12:16.140and this is where again i know you guys are busy i don't know if you have a chance to actually
01:12:19.660finished my best game Babylon series speaking of information overload that's why we did 21 parts
01:12:24.140because if I were just to give the person the last end of the series at the front of the conversation
01:12:29.860it would be 10 hours of me backing up and trying to explain context right so I put all the context
01:12:35.420out in 21 parts in our series and basically try to and it leads to Hathor and Isis and the
01:12:42.120personification of the eye of Ra and how the Egyptians used to view that and why it's such a
01:12:47.020fascinating concept in my opinion about the alien disclosure that i think they are going so here's
01:12:52.840my opinion guys i don't know if i shared this last time and it's okay if we disagree this is
01:12:56.400my opinion for my studies i do believe there's gonna be an alien disclosure soon and i don't
01:13:00.820think it's going to i think it's going to be a good alien good alien right they're going to portray
01:13:06.440it as i think that the the entity that they're going to introduce to the world has been subtly
01:13:13.700shown to us in all forms of media video games movies tvs all kinds of stuff um one of the more
01:13:20.700popular personifications of this i think we've seen as the traveler in destiny and he's the good
01:13:28.860alien represented by a sphere who shows up to help to warn us about coming bad aliens and getting
01:13:36.100getting the planet ready for the coming bad aliens but i don't and so there's i believe and
01:13:43.700this is just like i said from from my study from listening to things that the elites are trying to
01:13:48.320publicly talk about and what they where they plan to take culture and society um i believe that
01:13:53.500they're wanting to actually have a a generation if not more 50 to 70 years of actual integration
01:14:01.140with this disclosed good alien, quote unquote, good alien, whom we get used to. And a whole
01:14:06.960generation of children grew up with this thing already here, interacting with it, being consulted
01:14:12.520by the elites of the world, the presidents and dignitaries of the world. But it's in a spherical
01:14:18.440craft in the sky. And this is the same spherical craft, the mana, that I believe was the eye of
01:14:26.460raw in ancient egypt that's interesting i i kind of also has control over other unclean spirits
01:14:33.480just like isis did so matt matt's obviously missed our last couple of episodes and he's
01:14:38.960not familiar with your work but these vamonas are uh indian vamonas like you see and you still
01:14:44.260see them on the temples and stuff yeah i don't know usually you just keep your head under the
01:14:50.020well no i just like to let you guys teach me stuff and pretend like i don't we don't teach
01:14:53.820do anything sometimes i'm pretending sometimes i'm not well i do look at the scenario the most
01:14:58.900likely version of of unfolding events is one of like acclimation long-term acclimation yeah i
01:15:03.960hadn't considered 70 years is that yeah i think he's right i mean it's taken 70 years from the
01:15:08.7001950s till now to acclimate us with the technology that they've been putting in place wait is that
01:15:14.120what sean's saying is that like we're at the end of the 70 years well no he's saying that if this
01:15:18.920thing arrived it would take that long would take seven years generations that's my theory
01:15:24.180shout out to jack yeah um yeah he said childhood's end and that that's a a book by uh who who is that
01:15:31.560arthur c clark and stop reading the chat uh well no it's actually where i was going and jack crushed
01:15:37.100so um you know i i only watched it because i can't read but in that series uh which i think is
01:15:43.840available on amazon um you know there there is this introduction of a species the species doesn't
01:15:50.100disclose itself but but it does introduce technologies um and systems to create like a
01:15:55.800veritable utopia uh over i think that it's a much shorter period than 60 70 years it's like
01:16:01.020a four-year period i think but in this humanity goes to a rapid development all these systems
01:16:08.260all these technologies you know it creates a scenario where even though humans have not seen
01:16:14.220the entities the entities have communicated with them through politicians etc and it promised to
01:16:19.760reveal themselves at a certain date but during that four-year period they gain the trust because
01:16:23.980why wouldn't you trust them they've you know uh ushered in heaven on earth and then of course
01:16:28.640by the end of it um when they do reveal themselves they're demons so you know it's i i'm expecting to
01:16:35.220see something very much like that and this is a big issue that i'm having lately where there are
01:16:41.060people i mean you know we had right now everybody's a lot of people are aware we had a contention with
01:16:46.360timothy alvarino but outside of alvarino it's his position that we have an issue with the position
01:16:52.260is that uh linking these things to demons is a mistake and and and you know alvarino got on our0.99
01:16:59.900radar because he was specifically saying if you believe that aliens are demons you're an idiot0.89
01:17:04.640now now that is a almost fair he didn't say he used our he did he used the word that we patent0.99
01:17:10.100pended it's our word yeah it's our word how dare you um now you know the issue with that is if you
01:17:16.220were to say what is a demon and you took it within the the context of the book of enoch and you say
01:17:19.860it's a disembodied spirit of a deceased nephilim and and then started to make the argument from
01:17:24.800there that a gray or a pleiadian or any multitude of the the alien species that are supposedly out
01:17:30.460there are not that they're not a disembodied spirit of a nephilim then maybe you could have
01:17:35.660a conversation but the way that it's framed i think from a from a guy who has much more nuance
01:17:41.800to offer one time is all right two times is it was coming up again and again and again he was
01:17:47.460making rounds on shows he was tweeting about it and and it got to the extent where i'm like this
01:17:52.220is a a strange straw man to drag around the internet it just didn't make sense to me it
01:17:58.540wasn't helpful to the conversation because he wasn't adding that nuance not on his tweets or
01:18:02.900not anything else like that he was just beating up this straw man and my issue is and i wonder
01:18:08.620what you think about this sean if somebody were to look at the alien phenomenon at large doesn't
01:18:14.760matter the multitude of entities that are inhabiting it or that are at play and they said
01:18:18.620that's demonic i'm not going to follow those things whatever they want i'll not be involved
01:18:24.700with it i'm following my lord and savior jesus christ what do you make of that person well they're
01:18:31.280they're definitely um they're either extremely deceived you know they're intellectually uninformed
01:18:38.240biblically uninformed or they're being pressured by outside forces to maintain a narrative that
01:18:43.280goes oh no no i'm sorry i mean i mean the individual who sees the aliens and calls them
01:18:48.500demonic and wants nothing to do with them okay well then that's an informed biblical person
01:18:52.740because like this is actually in ephesians chapter 6 verse 10 through 12 but literally in the greek
01:18:57.460it tells you yeah this is the the cosmos kratos is the the realm between the land and the moon
01:19:03.460where the unclean spirits live like this would you would you call that the second heaven too
01:19:08.140would you refer to it like that or yeah yeah judaism refers to um that as a second heaven
01:19:13.820so to speak it's like the upper atmosphere if you will beyond the the clouds and that's like
01:19:19.260I'm a little different, guys, and this is where I'm going to run into probably, I don't know how you guys feel about this, but Timothy's whole argument is completely done the moment you apply the definition of a firmament, biblical firmament, and you get away from this heliocentric model because that's not what the Bible describes.
01:19:35.320So I want to have a loving discussion or debate with Timothy because it'll be nothing but two hours of frustration for him because I'll be forcing him to hold to biblical definitions of words and not made up, invented, philosophic definitions from modern science.
01:19:52.120So again, the Bible teaches very clearly abortion is murder, abortion is wrong.
01:19:58.240The world screams abortion is okay, everyone should do it, right?
01:20:01.560the bible teaches very clearly sexual morality outside of marriage is wrong the world screams0.60
01:20:09.140go on a go on a swingers cruise right like right the the world in every category is constantly
01:20:15.780saying the opposite of what the bible says and when it comes to how creation was described they're
01:20:20.680also shouting the opposite of what the bible has been saying this whole time so i'm actually a
01:20:25.340weirdo because i'm a biblical cosmologist i do believe the bible gives us a very explicit with
01:20:30.360over 500 mentions um explanations and contextual definitions of a creation model that is that is
01:20:37.580doesn't involve um you know the the the stars in the sky being rocks in the void and a void of space
01:20:45.140but instead they're actually points of light put inside of a ferment to shine down upon the earth
01:20:49.100as the bible describes so we're actually in enclosed in time right seasons yeah yeah we're
01:20:54.420an enclosed creation and that's what's fascinating about the book of enoch he literally gets a tour
01:20:58.460of this created enclosed model including how the seasons happen how the wind comes into our
01:21:04.160enclosure all these things like it's all explained and it's very logical like it's very like the you
01:21:09.560know the creator created mechanisms by which the sun moon and stars move the winds move the seasons
01:21:14.620move it even tells you the the the doors called portals in the ancient language of which there's
01:21:20.36012 of them around the firmament that lets in different types of winds that creates the seasons
01:21:23.720so like it's it's a fascinating very functional thing that can be actually replicated and built
01:21:28.960the model that we're taught as kids cannot be replicated or built the model that like i've
01:21:35.140went to a physics professor at a university and i said sir can you point me to an experiment that's
01:21:40.140been done like a peer-reviewed academic experiment that's been done where there was a a gas chamber
01:21:45.060where they you know removed they create a vacuum chamber and put a spinning ball in it and put
01:21:50.000water on the side of that spinning ball and made it just showed you wooden doors right it made it
01:21:54.160all function and he looked at me and he goes so you want to you want a vacuum chamber with the
01:21:58.800with the ball inside of it that's spinning with water sticking to the outside of the ball inside
01:22:03.220of a vacuum chamber with all the air pulled out he's like that's impossible i said yes and that's
01:22:07.880what is told to us where we live that's that how yes and he's like what do you mean only instance
01:22:14.560of that the bible describes we're living in an enclosed firmament everything is created with
01:22:18.800order like there's you know gas pressure for a reason you need a container for gas pressure so
01:22:24.180anyway it's a that whole context of the bible disrupts alberino's argument that there's you
01:22:31.160know alpha centauri aliens coming our way from four million light years away yeah now if i if i
01:22:37.740were to play in the playground of his argument i would it would still be undercut because we have
01:22:41.920a plethora of biblical uh explanation that the spiritual realm interacts with the physical realm
01:22:46.600all day long yeah oh he doesn't even accept it it seems that that's why spiritual realm that's why
01:22:51.360we got stuck for 45 minutes on like our aliens demons but once he mentioned the spiritual realm
01:22:56.460and he's talking about the symbolic nature of what the prophets are experiencing as angels i was like
01:23:00.660i got a big problems with that i was i was cool to let him slide with and explain himself but i'm
01:23:05.120like i'm looking at five scriptures here that talk about the description of the of the seraphim over
01:23:09.460thousands of years and you're saying that no it's just symbolic of the time period it can't be yeah
01:23:15.960Yeah, it was a bizarre experience because I think what we found out in the end is he has a vested interest in being close to disclosure, which is another thing that makes me feel like we might actually be there because it feels like a lot of people are kind of moving into their positions and accepting their narratives and and trying to cozy up next to whoever's associated with this or that.
01:23:34.080And he's taking pictures and he's smoking cigars with Elizondo. Elizondo is is an intelligent asset. For those who aren't familiar with him, he's the guy that was the lead character in the recent Age of Disclosure documentary. And he's probably right now that the government approved mouthpiece for disclosure. He's the one that they want us to take seriously as they frame the narrative.
01:23:52.260And, you know, this is a guy that's bought out fake pictures of UFOs as evidence and then been exposed that the pictures were obvious fakes.
01:24:01.440And, you know, you'll find Albarino defending the guy in one word answer.
01:24:06.900Someone said, why should we take Elizondo seriously when he's ruined disclosure as a as a serious topic by, you know, bringing fake photos?
01:40:43.620i like the book up to about 70 of it where he starts to go a little bit off the rails with uh
01:40:48.540the idea of you know same thing if you think aliens or demons like completely misguided you
01:40:52.820have no idea what you're talking about so that's right around the time frame that he's painting
01:40:56.280this narrative and then from then i watch him uh you know you do big big shows on mainstream
01:41:04.200sort of mainstream channels sean ryan's a pretty mainstream daily wire sean ryan uh glen beck
01:41:10.780you know michael knowles things like this and you're pushing this same narrative and then i
01:41:14.800see you hanging out with lou elizondo and i've got to ask some questions which i don't even
01:41:18.580really care about we've looked from the side and said hmm seems strange my whole thing was just
01:41:24.680who cares why would you separate this phenomenon when there's so much overlap well my thing is why
01:41:28.980do you why do you seek out why do you seek out the people who are like we're like low-level people
01:41:35.820just talking about it yeah you can talk about it on your large shows well that's the difference
01:41:40.100guys i want to encourage you that you're not quote-unquote low level for long you guys are
01:41:44.500growing and you're doing you're doing engaging content and you know you're running the marathon
01:41:49.580of youtube and you're going to do well like you guys are going to have a huge channel in five
01:41:52.720years that too and he's trying to head off opposition early um but at the same time for
01:41:58.100the people asking the comments guys we're not trying just to sit here and have a bash fashion
01:42:02.160on alvarino this is actually us as christians looking at another christian researcher talking
01:42:06.860about this topic and going why the narrative change or is it a narrative change or is it just
01:42:12.240we finally reached the end of his understanding and now he's running into contradictions and
01:42:17.600doesn't know how to handle it publicly you know because he's always held this this uh internal
01:42:23.680narrative but it never came up in interviews because he was always able to talk about other
01:42:27.500things but here we go you guys brought up this specific narrative that he doesn't really have
01:42:32.440a good answer for it and got revealed and now it's looking really weird it's looking contradictory to
01:42:37.620his previous work it's to me none of it makes sense that he's a proponent i've seen multiple
01:42:42.400interviews where he's he's quoting first enoch like it's like it's canon like it's scripture
01:42:47.600you cannot believe angels are symbolic and be quoting from first enoch you are in utter
01:42:53.600contradiction as a person promoting god's word and a true history of rabais angels to say that
01:42:59.660angels are symbolic and aren't real entities yet you you're trying to quote from first enoch it
01:43:04.200explicitly their main characters in first enoch like they're the main characters explaining to
01:43:09.620you how they interact with mankind took wives had children taught mankind all storms of tomfoolery
01:43:14.400and all sorts of uh the destructive corruptive practices invented idol worship with their sons
01:43:20.760like there is no more stronger correlation between spiritual beings and earthy beings
01:43:27.620than first enoch so well you can't maintain this narrative that oh these uh these entities that are
01:43:35.500teaching that are afraid of the name of jesus christ that lead people off into demonic experiments
01:43:40.000that resembles bell worship by the way with all the butt stuff and then try to say that oh these
01:43:45.540are not demonic or these are not in associated with occultic activity and there is no spiritual
01:43:50.560uh there's no spiritual ontology of them they're just physical beings look this is where i know
01:43:57.160you guys mentioned this to him and i don't think he really addressed it i think he kind of sloughed
01:44:00.340it off but you talked about this the sleeve right the the concept of like well what if clear the
01:44:06.440ufos are physical crafts what if the people piloting them are just they are demonic characters
01:44:13.340but the the occultist found a way to create a sleeve for them to interact with in the physical
01:44:18.140world right it's uh it's a it's a host organic material body that they can actually because
01:44:24.600clearly they can overtake the faculties of our organic material body and puppet to tear us
01:44:30.600around and throw us against walls and make our heads turn around backwards and you know i'm
01:44:35.100saying and like they can clearly do demonic things with our physical reality so we know that they can
01:44:39.640create android-like bodies with with lab-grown materials so it's not out of the realm of even
01:44:46.680modern science to say that the occult and the the shadow governments of the world have already
01:44:52.860created a host body for demons to try to interact in the physical world again biomechanical can i
01:44:58.000ask you a question and maybe david could actually like uh bring bring about this point a little bit
01:45:02.440more clear why in why in the jeffrey epstein email is he uh talking to somebody asking him
01:45:07.340to create debate talking points that differentiate aliens from demons this is this is really bizarre
01:45:12.920i didn't hear about that yet so jeffrey epstein in these in these files and you have to take these
01:45:18.760with a grain of salt right now we are not saying he was on an island i'm not saying that no no
01:45:24.380albarino was on an island i'm more concerned with the people who are also carrying water for this
01:45:29.800narrative so in this file uh one of these email files it's an exchange between epstein and um
01:45:37.200and lawrence krauss and what he's asking lawrence krauss to do is to create a debate an argument
01:45:44.600it seems that epstein is wanting to diffuse any connection between three things specifically
01:45:51.980he says aliens ghosts which ghosts i would say are demonic entities masquerading as embodied
01:46:00.120some things disembodied some things demonic in nature though i would say sure um masquerading
01:46:04.940as loved ones masquerading as lost children you know you name it and the third element
01:46:10.380is out-of-body experiences which if you remember to the uh debate that we had there was a lot of
01:46:16.880conversation about near-death experiences where people are going is it the spiritual realm what
01:46:21.900is the spiritual realm where are these prophets having these experiences is it in a dream state
01:46:26.900what is that state look like and he's trying desperately he's asking him to create a debate
01:46:32.700to separate these things why would you ever want to separate them when there is so much
01:46:38.600in common there's so much overlap between the spaces that these things happen in
01:46:43.100the sensations that one goes through the patterns that emerge from one experience to the next you
01:46:47.760have to you have to if you if you wanted to see what's coming the people from what is coming if
01:46:53.860you don't want them to think along these lines along these spiritual biblical lines then when
01:46:57.600when i present you with biblical fact you have to deny it along scientific terms this is the0.95
01:47:03.280position that he was put in by people who were dumb yeah and look i gotta address it too i see0.52
01:47:09.880somebody in the chat says i suggest you people not slander tim we've only said exactly what has
01:47:14.720happened and it's not anything that i've not said directly to him i'm asking questions i'm not saying
01:47:20.760he's knowingly running some narrative that epstein is also concerned with i'm saying what is the the
01:47:28.340birth of this idea and why does it lead to a place where not only is epstein curious and and vested
01:47:34.860in achieving the same you know argument right success in the same argument let's separate these
01:47:40.660elements and why is alberino saying it and does it have anything to do with the fact that it seems
01:47:45.400that epstein also was very interested in uap disclosure that's something that we've been
01:47:49.360talking about on the show it's something that's come out through the files and alberino is finding
01:47:53.700himself as maybe let's say it looks like he could be some sort of uh representative of christianity
01:48:00.080to help christians understand this thing because he's got you know he's got a billionaire backer
01:48:04.820which is not at all a condemnation somebody with money is fascinated in your work well lucky you
01:48:11.280you must be doing a good job right i don't know somebody thinks you're doing a good job and they
01:48:14.320have money but if that person wants to see a specific angle take place in in uap disclosure
01:48:21.680And let's say that person is maybe exhausted a little bit with the old guard of superstitious people that are calling this demons and devils and would love for somebody who's charismatic, who's well-spoken, who's respected in the community to express their already preconceived notions of these things are not demons.
01:48:48.480He probably knows a guy or two in this space or that space.
01:48:51.420Maybe he can get you on the Sean Ryan show. Who the hell knows? It doesn't have to be a nefarious plot. The billionaire backer doesn't even have to have a nefarious agenda. You might just be carrying water for a thing that's nature. You don't understand. And you should look over maybe and see that Epstein is trying to formulate the same argument that you're going around making, you know, making the rounds on various podcasts doing.
01:49:12.320i will say why the hell am i saying that i'd like to address the the chat if we want to talk we can't
01:49:17.920understand him long enough to understand his faith level to find out his faith level i don't know he's
01:49:21.680the kind of guy that just tells everybody not to associate with us because he's already judged our
01:49:25.600faith level and he already knows exactly who i am he's called he said we're not christians he's
01:49:29.600warned people he's called other content creators so that ship has sailed yeah we're just going to
01:49:34.260say what he told us in the interview but by the way everything everything that we're talking about
01:49:38.660is in their interview with him this is kind of like this part of the conversation is kind of a
01:49:42.720recap in what he admitted publicly which is why it threw it through people like sideways like
01:49:48.460wait a minute what how how are you making this statement as a christian as someone that goes to
01:49:52.040first enoch as someone that was talking about this this whole time and now you're making these
01:49:55.360statements that these are not spiritual entities that they're all physical material entities like
01:49:59.740this is a very naturalistic evolutionary view a modern scientific view and this is not like a
01:50:05.700biblical view which you have throughout your career promoted yourself to be telling a biblical
01:50:10.960view and so it's very confusing it's one i disagree with it's he disagrees with our view
01:50:18.440on this and that's fine but again we didn't seek out the argument or the or the debate
01:50:23.140this person did so now we will just now we'll talk about it and you guys ever heard of rob
01:50:28.200skiba oh yeah we're actually going to uh we're going to be on uh his son's show soon um okay
01:50:34.800cool yeah jeremiah the nation yes keep a nation before we depart from this though i just want to
01:50:39.580say i don't really care about timothy alvarino i care about a dangerous narrative i want people
01:50:47.620to be prepared i agree with whether it was tom horn or steve quill who said this this is the
01:50:53.080great deception and in my estimation this is one of the biggest deceptions that mankind is ever
01:50:59.060going to be subjected to they've been using hollywood propaganda for for generations they've0.69
01:51:04.320been propped up, you know, with NASA and all these Nazi scientists from Operation Paperclip.0.80
01:51:09.360I think the fruits of all of these things that take place in like 47 and the early 50s0.87
01:51:15.720are this thing that they're aiming at. All I care is about people being grounded in the truth,
01:51:21.900people being grounded in Christ, people not falling for some Pleiadian Christ or some New
01:51:26.340Age Christ or some Christ consciousness or something like that. And certainly not being
01:51:32.620deceived with this advanced space brothers narrative that maybe Hollywood wants to serve
01:51:37.940us up. And it just so happens that Albarino is a guy that got on my radar who is saying
01:51:42.500things that lead to those ideas. And I've got a real problem with that. And then when I try to
01:51:48.220press him on it, he just makes himself look bad. He just speaks almost virtually uninterrupted
01:51:55.120for two and a half hours. And everybody overwhelmingly comes away, not knowing what
01:52:00.400this guy is saying and then he denounces us says that we're not christians calls us demons and all
01:52:06.240this other crazy crap and we've not even said that i've not even said that he's a fed or an operative0.55
01:52:11.700or that he's working with epstein or some crazy crap like that or that you shouldn't look at his0.77
01:52:16.540work i've not said that i think he's got a lot of interesting things to offer you shouldn't look at
01:52:22.080any one individual as an authority and the end all be all on any of these topics because they're
01:52:26.820rather intangible and difficult to understand and multifaceted and complex.
01:59:45.580But there's this thing that's happening on Twitter
01:59:47.260where they're engineering people to turn
01:59:49.260and look at the Jews as if they're the adversaries.0.99
01:59:51.460they've been cast out of every country 109 110 times yada yada they're the ones that commit all0.99
01:59:56.640the crime they own the this you know nefarious company the pornography which not to go off on
02:00:01.980a rabbit trail but we talked about this i don't know if it was a show yesterday or two days ago
02:00:05.800or whatever but just that like that's a new phenomenon dude like it is like in a coffee
02:00:10.000shop we talk about being the canary in the coffee shop and like we kind of cage society by what
02:00:14.540gets brought up just israel being bad phenomenon nobody today right not in general oh not in
02:00:20.580I'm just saying in general, like it wasn't a thing that was pushed on people like through the internet, through YouTube and through whatever.
02:00:26.460Not in our generation, but yeah, in 109 other instances.
02:00:30.720I'm just making a point like three years ago, nobody came into the coffee shop and talked about that.
02:00:34.400Starting two years ago, everybody started to talk about it.
02:00:46.840um so i think the straw that's going to break the camel's back may well be the epstein thing
02:00:54.080if not a nuclear fallout between israel and iran wait what you think it's like right now it's like
02:00:59.120well because the epstein thing within the files uh is is it is the g word a slur i don't know what
02:01:05.880the rules are with youtube uh just don't say okay i'm not going to say it but like you know what
02:01:09.540what would you refer to as gentiles not gentiles it's like it's like that though chef goyardy you
02:01:16.820know something like that so anyway um they say that epstein says that he calls you know non-jews0.92
02:01:24.220that over and over again he says they're just slaves meant to serve israel it's just meant to
02:01:30.720get people to this critical mass where finally the crimes of the jews are overwhelming and then0.90
02:01:37.000we have a nation's turn on all israel type of situation especially if they go after iran and1.00
02:01:40.640there's a nuclear war or fallout let me just say man i don't want to cut david off because you can
02:01:44.220go on and speculate forever and ever i feel like i just like schizo wove a web well because you go0.61
02:01:49.460in one direction and you're like if i was a pedophile i can go this way that way this way0.58
02:01:53.920and it's like honestly when it comes down to it you just kind of have to trust the holy so you
02:01:57.900have to ask to be filled with the holy spirit and discernment and for us like we say that we're
02:02:03.120r-worded and and to me that means that like i'm like i'm clear in a certain way where i'm not
02:02:10.120having any of these like uh presuppositions that are not from i'm like i'm focusing on god i'm not
02:02:16.020i'm not leading on my own intellect you can't you can't and and in a way people the world will call0.98
02:02:20.800you stupid the world will call you what they call us if you're out of your mind it's for the sake0.99
02:02:25.420of christ the world views you out of your mind yeah exactly exactly i want that i want that1.00
02:02:29.920retard strength like samson yeah yes by the way people aren't going to look kindly upon christians0.91
02:02:36.540if christians truly stood in the way of this utopia that these aliens have facilitated that's0.94
02:02:41.700true but i think the point is is that like i don't know which way they're going to go with this but
02:02:46.740what i do know is that i haven't been wrong yet and i haven't been reading every single word of
02:02:51.580these files i haven't been with my fingers on all of the political tangents that are going on
02:02:56.920But what I do is I trust the Holy Spirit. I ask to be filled with it and to be guided. I ask for discernment. That's one of the things that I always want, just the ability to know when BS is coming my way. And I've had pretty good success. I don't want to be like, it's not me at all. It's just something that I ask for. It's something that I want.
02:03:15.420and i think if we ask for that we'll be guided in the right way and we won't be led astray no
02:03:21.540matter what comes because i'm sure i'm sure like whatever's coming it's gonna throw us a crazy
02:03:26.440curveball like something that none of us will see if it's a great deception there's no way
02:03:30.820i'm gonna be on top of all of it there's just no way oh no dad definitely not i don't it's not it's
02:03:36.360not me not without god not without god that's why i try to point people back to god's word
02:03:42.080because i believe he has told us who these people are with a setting which we all live in which which
02:03:48.100wipes away like 99 of the deception in my opinion and i know this is super controversial
02:03:53.420if you guys want to cut this part out i don't know how much you talk about this in your channel or
02:03:56.800not but there is no possible way for an alien invasion and all this fake disclosure and all
02:04:01.460this nonsense if we live under a firmament and all this is just a false god perpetuating a narrative
02:04:08.340in a fictional reality mindset to where like so think about this like the ancient cultures they
02:04:15.740all believed that we were enclosed by a ferment they just described it differently like the
02:04:20.000babylonians thought it was made of bricks right which sounds kind of laughable right whereas
02:04:24.100josephus describes it as a crystalline substance like an arch domed crystalline substance which
02:04:30.080is seems to be what psalms and jobs and other amos and other place other descriptions of it seem to
02:04:35.220be as well and i'm i don't mean to cut off and be rude like that i'm just new at podcast but i just
02:04:41.500want to make sure i'm tracking with this and like so would you say then that's like the floor of
02:04:45.260where god's at though that that same thing you're describing yeah so imagine the biblical description
02:04:50.260is multiple layers of the word heaven and genesis 1 verse 8 described that the first time we get
02:04:56.940to introduce the word heaven it is the name given to the structure called the rakia the firmament
02:05:01.400so the word heaven when we use the word heaven it does denote a location but it also denotes the
02:05:08.360actual name given to a structure so imagine matt if you built a house you built a seven-story house
02:05:13.840and then when you're done you step back and you say oh honey look i finished our collection of
02:05:19.900wood nails and screws no you step back and you say honey look i finished our home yeah that's
02:05:26.500what genesis 1 8 is doing it looks at the structure that was put in place which is the
02:05:30.840and then god calls it the heaven which encompasses both the earth and there's multiple layers of
02:05:36.500heaven above us which are described like deuteronomy 10 14 yahweh is the god of the
02:05:41.440most high of the heaven of the heavens right there's multiple places in scripture where
02:05:45.980there's multiple layers of heaven described um the christians and the early christians that i
02:05:51.860would lovingly i would say um early you know hebrews as well um judaism starts to reinterpret
02:05:58.620it differently right there's like if you look in the talmud there's rabbis arguing about how many
02:06:03.120layers of heaven there are and the the traditional view was that there were seven total firmaments
02:06:09.820right and this is consistent with um the testament of levi found amongst the disci scrolls that's a
02:06:16.120part of the testament of 12 patriarchs that was included in the armenian canon this is consistent
02:06:20.060even with irenaeus in the second century irenaeus describes the creation with seven layers of heaven
02:06:27.020And he tries to give a description of it as if it's the menorah turned upside down with the inner outer branches all creating seven different layers.
02:06:38.380And the layer right above us is encompassed between layer one and two would be the water that's still up there that was separated on day two.
02:06:45.660The one that flooded down in Genesis 711 when the floodgates were opened, that's where the water came from.
02:06:50.520There's still water above it, Psalm 148.4.
02:06:52.700there's still water there like a barrier between us and the light of the sun and the moon coming
02:06:56.840through it which i think is a wonderful buffer for the strength of the sun's light by the way
02:07:01.400but that's a whole physics thing and then the layer above that would be where you have the sun
02:07:06.000and the moon and then the layers above that you have different layers of angelic habitations
02:07:10.760leading up to the seventh layer which is where the throne of the most high is and so this is why
02:07:15.160when it says the heavens plural opened at christ baptism this is a significant event
02:07:21.200when it talks about revelation i explained sean yeah that's a oh fantastic and it didn't take you
02:07:26.14045 minutes i i got a question i mean that's what that's why they call me the fundamentalist
02:07:30.280it's so crazy because the idea that we could you could just take it upon yourself to explain
02:07:35.500something so complex and take three minutes well it means you understand it that's the mark of
02:07:40.060understanding the i've done whole debates with pastors on this topic because it's so but it's
02:07:44.680over 500 times it's mentioned described and explained in scripture everywhere where where
02:07:49.220is it mentioned that there are 12 doors on uh around the earth yeah that's fascinating the
02:07:53.660winds in first enoch chapter 72 through 82 it talks about the uh the sun moon and stars and
02:07:59.080they're you know how they move in the ferment above us and shine down on the different courses
02:08:03.420and seasons they go through then it also talks about the winds and how the winds are let in so
02:08:08.800imagine your cardinal directions east northwest and south um but doing so from a flat you know
02:08:15.000like a flat topographical circle of earth that's enclosed by a firmament and then on the east west
02:08:21.340north and south sides of the firmament there's three portals on each cardinal direction
02:08:25.300totaling 12 and depending on the seasons of the year one of those three portals in each
02:08:30.800of the four quadrants is opened allowing different winds in and the angels are in control of this
02:08:35.440like they're controlling the whole system yeah job i think somewhere in job it talks about like
02:08:40.280the treasuries or the storehouses of the winds some uh something like that as well because it
02:08:45.440literally is outside in the same way there's a the whole compartment in job i think it's a chapter
02:08:50.68038 verse 22 where it talks about the storehouses of hail used for the day of battle which we see
02:08:57.080used in joshua chapter 10 by the way when yahweh rains down hell and kills more amorites than the
02:09:02.400israelites even did with that coming up flat earther i know you just love this i can see that
02:09:06.540We're talking about flat earth right now.
02:09:20.500So, like, the whole thing is a misdirect
02:09:22.320because it's showing you the wrong setting for what the Bible describes.
02:09:25.680The Bible describes a seven-story house with two basements,
02:09:29.740basement one and two, Sheol and Tartarus.
02:09:31.720Pillars, that's an interesting thing brought up.
02:09:33.900It mimics the idea of New Jerusalem as well, like the 12 gates that are around New Jerusalem, although New Jerusalem is a cube, which is, I guess, maybe this plane is also square, right? I don't know.
02:09:46.380yeah the the new jerusalem is described as a the size of a small continent like 1500 miles length
02:09:51.760width and height and it comes down sits between the phrase and the nile and if that were sitting
02:09:56.160on top of a ball with a 4000 mile radius as we're told it you wouldn't be able to walk up to the
02:10:01.780gates of the city because it would be 121 miles off the coverage of the earth from a four square
02:10:06.160city sitting down so it would it would have to like drill down into it would knock the earth
02:10:10.300off its axis like there would be a whole problem like physics all of the heliocentric math that
02:10:15.180goes into the garbage can the moment the new jerusalem comes down all the satellites would
02:10:19.820just run into the side of the new jerusalem because they're only 200 miles up at most some
02:10:23.420of them are you know like it like the none of it makes any sense guys the the the eschatology this
02:10:30.360is why when i have pastors on an interview and do debates and stuff i always try to get them to talk
02:10:34.840to me about their eschatology because it's a heavily overlooked topic in christendom is people
02:10:40.740like you've got amillennialism you got premill you've got preterism and you got all this different
02:10:45.160argumentation points but they never talk about the reality of ezekiel 37 and revelation 21 says
02:10:50.680that yahweh's house is going to descend and sit on the earth like that's a big big deal like that's
02:10:57.220the conclusion of the story is that the creator who made us is going to come down here and dwell0.99
02:11:02.600amongst mankind that's the promise of the kingdom come right so if that's the case is it a literal
02:11:08.260kingdom is the spiritual this is a spiritual kingdom can it physically interact with the
02:11:12.180material world a hundred percent that's the end of the story like it's intended to you know like
02:11:16.900all nations will come to the new jerusalem for free food and water and medicine i got all the
02:11:20.960verses for that if you know we can do a different show um the survivors of the day of the lord come
02:11:26.000to it for refuge so they can learn how to live in peace with one another they beat their swords
02:11:30.340into plowshares like the the whole thing is designed the end of the story is the spiritual
02:11:35.780world fully integrates within our physical reality in our layer of the firmament the father's house
02:11:42.680comes down that's why in second second corinthians chapter 12 1 through 3 when paul talks about a man
02:11:48.560he knew who had a vision and went to the third heaven and saw paradise that paradise is the same
02:11:54.700word used in revelation 2 and revelation 22 of the new jerusalem is the word paradise he saw
02:11:59.780and it's there awaiting that here's where here's where we've tried to like share with people and
02:12:04.720we're going to include this in our days of noah uh series it's already we already tease it in
02:12:08.580episode one this this thing i'm about to tell you is the garden of eden is the new jerusalem
02:12:15.660in its in its uh pre-enhanced form so the garden life is in both yeah so like the garden of eden
02:12:24.620remember in genesis 3 24 when they're kicked out of the garden and there's an angel set to guard
02:12:30.520the way to the tree of life so that they can't get back to it flaming sword yeah so that means
02:12:34.660if that angel wasn't there they could get back to it right yeah so that means it's still there
02:12:40.780on the ground yeah you're not well you're not 65 i believe well so between jubilees and not
02:12:47.220consistently it tells you that enoch was taken into the garden where he would be kept away from
02:12:50.780the violence that was happening to write down the condemnation of what was going on leading up to
02:12:54.840the flood and then you know jubilee seven tells you he did die before the flood he's not living
02:13:00.060forever inside but the point is what i'm getting at is the garden was still on the ground after
02:13:04.560adam and eve were kicked out up to the flood and this is what uh i i try to do a whole show where
02:13:11.000i try to go through the timeline of the garden of eden so people are always like where's the
02:13:14.580garden of eden they're going on you know the expeditions to south africa and you know what
02:13:18.600was that one kid he said where they thought it was in florida and all that stuff and so the people
02:13:22.020are thinking it's the garden of eden still on the earth somewhere it's just been it's just like
02:13:25.000shangri-la it's just mystically hidden from reality it's like no no the bible tells you
02:13:29.360it was on the ground it got destroyed by the flood isaiah 49 and 54 talk about the details
02:13:34.840of zion how it's overcome with storm tossed with waves destroyed desecrated and then second
02:13:41.160ezra chapter 7 verse 26 literally tells you it was withdrawn into heaven and that's why
02:13:47.260in new testament paul's talking about it being in the third heaven and then revelation john's
02:13:52.620vision revelation it comes down out of heaven again it's the return it's the return it's just
02:13:57.780made bigger to accommodate for everyone that takes part in the first resurrection who's going
02:14:01.900to inherit a spot in there and then when it sets down all the people that didn't take part in the
02:14:06.900first resurrection revelation 24 through 6 they're considered survivors of the nations who will come
02:14:11.700to it to learn god's ways to stop mourning with each other to to get free medicine from the leaves
02:14:18.040healing of the nations that's right yeah so if you're resurrected and glorified revelation 21 7
02:14:23.160you've already received your inheritance inside the city you don't need leaves for healing you're
02:14:28.200perfected you know i mean and um in enoch i which i had to listen to a bunch of times so i never got
02:14:34.360the chapter so i had to i had to look it up because i tried to read it and i just for whatever reason
02:14:38.240couldn't focus i found it on audiobook and i remember hearing enoch as as he's being taken
02:14:42.880around um by rafael that he's you know he's seeing all these different places and i remember there
02:14:48.700being like a tree in the garden that he saw and i remember being like oh did he see the garden
02:14:52.260And I'm looking at it here and it describes it as the Garden of Righteousness is Enoch 24 through 25 and then 30 through 31.
02:20:40.360it's overlooked just like the new Jerusalem.
02:20:42.480It's an overlooked topic of discussion.
02:20:44.740And when I interview pastors on the channel,
02:20:46.540they have all different interpretations of the first resurrection.
02:20:49.620um and like there's even a bunch of different versions of it like from one pastor to the next
02:20:56.300it's not a cohesive yeah yeah and and no one knows like what the like the ontological change
02:21:01.860like you don't we don't get back this this decaying temple of doom like we get an actual
02:21:05.700glorified body you know that's that um the same as like jesus exemplified right he is our forerunner
02:21:11.220this first corinthians talks about right chapter 15 and um and so this is why like all these details
02:21:17.360matter when it comes to you know how god is going to come to the earth and establish peace and put
02:21:23.500the devil in a hole for a thousand years and throw the unclean spirits in like a fire and all these
02:21:27.480details that that a lot of them you're not a lot of them but uh some significant aspects of those
02:21:34.520details are given to us in books like jubileys and enoch that were a part of the ancient literature
02:21:39.680did you guys know that like it's wild there's an eighth century historian named george sinkelos
02:21:45.100who was a greek historian who was trying to make a chronographia that was like the first history
02:21:48.540book he was trying to make in the 8th century a.d and he actually leans upon the book of jubilees
02:21:53.240for his history isn't that crazy okay so and specifically for pre-flood information
02:21:59.960you know because jubilees goes into greater depth um than even enoch does when it tries to break down
02:22:05.580the three different types of nephilim that were around during those days and then how no reacted
02:22:10.420after the flood when now the the unclean spirits were still here the disembodied nephilim were
02:22:15.020still here and he in chapter 10 directly corral gives you the direct explanation as noah is
02:22:20.380praying to god asking for help against these things saying these are the sons of your watchers
02:22:25.220and and these came from before the flood and they're still here after the flood and they're
02:22:29.100causing my sons and daughters to sin and to go into warfare and i need help you know i mean like
02:22:33.700it's a direct connection before pre and post flood to what these unclean spirits are how they were
02:22:40.520infecting mankind before the flood and how they're affecting mankind after the flood
02:22:43.940and without that information the average christian is truly lost when it comes to this
02:22:50.040spiritual battle and that's why this deception is so big in our day that's what was so amazing
02:22:55.360to me was that it was it was an aspect of christian christianity i was not familiar with
02:22:59.800whatsoever um and through my conspiracy research i became really uh comfortable with the idea of
02:23:07.060you know these various pantheons and and i wasn't somebody that interpreted these things as like
02:23:11.560strictly symbolic because it just didn't seem that way. It didn't seem that way based on the
02:23:15.000people and the culture. It didn't seem that way based off of what I was seeing even in modern
02:23:19.440day, right? It seemed like there was still the worship of these entities and that they were very
02:23:23.480real. Whether or not they were flesh and blood today, you know, was up for debate, but I could
02:23:28.740see their presence and their fingerprint. And I didn't, I wasn't looking to Christianity for0.92
02:23:34.420a frame of reference on those entities. And then when I came to Christianity, I came in through
02:23:41.240like a Michael Heiser worldview. I came in through the idea of the Nephilim. That was always my0.71
02:23:46.420framework over these last years, I don't know, five years or so of how to look at this entire
02:23:52.400phenomenon. And so it's strange to me, actually, to be new in my walk and new to my understanding
02:23:59.280of Christianity, but then to turn to people who have been, you know, seminary school, what have
02:24:04.260you, raised in the church, always been a part of it. So much vastly more adept in scripture than I
02:24:11.560am. It feels like I couldn't close the gap, but they disagree with this, which to me, I'm like,
02:24:17.020this is a fundamental piece. Without this, the lens doesn't work. It was always my holdup as
02:24:22.980a Christian, a younger Christian in the church. There are things in the Bible where you ask the
02:24:27.740pastor or the Bible, the Bible school teacher, and they don't have adequate answers. And I'm
02:24:32.200like well that's just not good enough for me and i'm out yeah i think i shared that with you guys
02:24:37.860that was part of my story um many years like 15 years ago i was going to not only the church i
02:24:43.660was going to but other because i used to live in a in tulsa oklahoma there's it's mega churches
02:24:47.320everywhere a lot of churches it's the bible belt and i not only did the church i was going to i
02:24:51.440was i would make weekly appointments with multiple assistant pastors to ask them bible questions like
02:24:56.800between sundays but i would go to other churches and make appointments with those pastors at
02:25:00.940differently because i was going to a methodist church and then i would go make appointments
02:25:04.260with the presbyterian pastor and the baptist pastor like i would go to these other people
02:25:08.080to try to say ask them these biblical questions many of them about the nephilim and i started
02:25:12.720hearing all these different answers and some of them just basically would just honestly say you
02:25:16.640know i just don't know you know and i'm sitting there going forgive forgive my my negative reaction
02:25:23.820sir but um it says it right here like yeah and and by the way there is a when we you know even
02:25:32.640back in 2012 2013 like there were online resources for looking up what the you know lexiconical
02:25:37.760resources looking up the definition of words right so i would i'd be like but but the definition of
02:25:42.360the word says this like so why why are we not taking this seriously those are the worst
02:25:48.000conversations where you're like you know what you're not a bad dude bro but why don't you go
02:25:51.580work at walmart like like why are you in the pulpit you know what i'm saying and not to say
02:25:55.560that any of us knows everything and we're not still learning like amen why hopefully we're all
02:25:59.920still learning all the way to the end but some of this basic stuff i've had those same conversations
02:26:04.580with pastors where i'm like bro you should just be a creator at walmart well you know what it is
02:26:08.300it frames a fundamental problem the fundamental problem is it from from from my perspective being
02:26:13.540outside of religion growing up i would say well they can't all be true right or or they're all
02:26:20.060claiming to be true and the other one's not true. And, and this one's saying I have the truth and
02:26:24.120the other ones aren't true. And, and so, but what happens when you have this, this frame, it's like,
02:26:28.540oh no, they were all right. They were just, the other ones were wrong about the nature of the
02:26:35.320things that they were worshiping. And, and that was like a real eureka moment, right? Where it's
02:26:41.440like, you're worshiping this pantheon. Well, it's like, it's not like the Bible says, um, that's
02:26:46.100not real and christianity is the only thing that's real but that's how modern day christians act
02:26:52.560right that's how a lot of people are going about this whole thing is like well the greek pantheon
02:26:58.280that's not a real thing at all this is just uh mythology and i go but they built and dedicated
02:27:04.420cities and cultures and and unbelievable swaths of time and text to these things worship and
02:27:11.980dedication and you do that with the vedic pantheon and you do that with you know the the sumerians
02:27:16.820and and you know the mayans and the aztecs and on and on and on how could that thing that was
02:27:22.340erected in honor of these things and then i look at christianity and what's been erected in honor
02:27:26.720of jesus christ and i go they did they've done the same thing here so is that the mark of truth
02:27:33.500is how much time a people is willing to dedicate to a thing and then it's like once you have that
02:27:38.100And you go, no, they dedicated it to these things because they were duped into worshiping false gods, false gods that were real, that were fallen angels.
02:27:47.860They were duped into worshiping demigods that are that are Nephilim. All of that start. It pulls it all together.
02:27:54.740And it's like I feel almost terrible. I don't understand how you can go.
02:27:59.560And I'm not saying like you can't find meaning in Jesus unless like you have this part of the lens.
02:28:04.280it's just like the worldview becomes so in in my opinion rich and obvious once you have
02:28:12.260that piece to pull it all together it it it does really pull together everything from every
02:28:19.320you know uh people of antiquity goes back to the initial question that you asked him to start the
02:28:24.300show was uh who do you think is better off do you think this person is in good standing the one
02:28:28.620that's great we call it grandma maxing oh yeah said a thing and goes demonic don't really need
02:28:33.020to know more about this i'm gonna put my faith in jesus christ have a good night guys or and and
02:28:39.180on the other side of you have researchers well like sort of like us but definitely like you who
02:28:43.900are like i'm gonna i need to know exactly yeah you know the other thing too without it is if
02:28:49.420you're not christian let's say you're newly aspiring pagan you're getting into wickedness
02:28:55.100or you're you're uh unironically worshiping the the norse you know pantheon or something like that
02:29:01.220which is very popular now everybody's got rune tattoos and everybody's unironically worshiping
02:29:05.880odin and thor and and you adhere to that thing and you go the other ones aren't real and jesus
02:29:11.220christ definitely not real but this thing is real maybe you had an experience well there's a weird0.82
02:29:15.500thing happening today too uh there used to be like a lot more atheists bro oh yeah like now0.52
02:29:22.160there's not like that's not a thing like it's the craziest thing that used to be everybody was an
02:29:26.100atheist and then that's not it it's like somehow however they push the narratives and stuff they
02:29:32.300shifted the narrative from being an atheist to like believing in the what do you call the
02:29:38.620palladians and stuff oh yeah yeah like a new age yeah like the shift happened now the shift was
02:29:44.360after covid um i think a lot of people got a good look at evil and they said well there better be
02:29:50.720something else yeah and so now if you're an atheist still i just think you're not thinking
02:29:56.640at all there are a couple but it well it does lead to this really fantastic question though if
02:30:00.660you have that lens once again of like the nephilim and the fallen where it's like okay the pleiadians
02:30:05.000show up now i have to ask myself like oh what's the nature of these things are they like like
02:30:10.240fallen angels or like nephilim or like some sort of hybrid thing because it and then you start
02:30:14.300looking into and it's like well they have a hybridization program they seem to be really
02:30:18.800obsessed with human genetics right they seem to flee at the name of christ okay okay cool gotcha
02:30:23.560i know what that is now so what you talked about earlier about there's people like us that
02:30:33.080interested in this we look into this um there is a unique rub that's happening in christian
02:30:38.780or at least my experience in christendom where you're having seminary trained pastors come up
02:30:44.780being told a certain narrative of theology and history that leaves a huge open gap for this
02:30:52.140deception to fall into meanwhile their major priority they're being taught is church
02:30:57.760administration and church growth so they're they're being taught how do we grow the church
02:31:02.520versus is our doctrine on point like are we actually making sense with what we're teaching
02:31:07.780because they can just, you know, I'm not trying to be derogatory towards them.
02:31:14.180This just is the natural outflow of how this happens.
02:31:17.080They just kind of broad stroke the difficult questions away to say, well, look, we're really,
02:31:23.320where are you serving today in the church?
02:31:36.760but there are a lot of people sitting in the pews that want to know the details so that's
02:31:40.900all is cohesive and makes sense this big story right and without that you get you just get kind
02:31:46.280of like oh yeah we're excited we we you know we did 10 more baptisms this week or we'd had you
02:31:50.900know i used to when i was in high school i went to a baptist church that had this little board on
02:31:54.960the on the wall that said how many people got saved in the last month you know and i was just
02:31:59.120like okay that's cool but um you know the vast majority of the people that were sitting in the
02:32:05.460crowd they're out at the lake on the weekends getting drunk and fooling around you know i mean
02:32:09.780like so yeah it's it's a balance right of like get involved in the church your local church
02:32:15.540your community try to help be a part of something but at the same time that doesn't mean we just
02:32:20.280slack off on doctrine so in the book of acts i can't remember if it's chapter five or chapter six
02:32:24.760um all the the apostles from chapter two plus the 120 plus a bunch of other people remember they're
02:32:30.440adding to their number daily and then they started i can't remember exactly the passage
02:32:34.320Matt may remember they were regulating several of them to just be teachers and they were devoting
02:32:39.740after they pulled their resources together they set aside like six or seven guys to just study
02:32:45.620oh you're talking about when the Greek widows were being neglected the Hebrew widows were getting
02:32:51.040their stuff and then the apostle said hey we can't stop like doing what we're doing to deal
02:32:55.980with this business somebody somebody's got to do it but we can't stop because we have to attend to
02:32:59.840the ministry of the word and prayer and then they said so we got to get some people to oversee this
02:33:04.900let's go get the local wealthy uh car dealership owner let's get him put him in charge let's make
02:33:10.080him an elder no they said they got to be full of wisdom and full of the holy ghost and they said
02:33:15.040then they can do that stuff that matters but we have to stay in the word and prayer dude that the
02:33:21.180reason that's like so meaningful to me is because i met a leader at a like i don't know how this
02:33:26.640happened when i first started to go to the 501c3 system they let me go to like the youth camp and
02:33:31.220be a uh be like a youth camp leader or whatever so then i saw one of the leaders in the elevator
02:33:37.740one day and and um it was a lady i was like oh wow so you're like in ministry like you you like uh
02:33:43.780read the bible and pray like that's like your whole life she's like yeah it's not exactly like
02:33:47.960that and then we were at this training thing the next day and she's like talking about modern0.87
02:33:53.700American 501c3 culture which I don't care anything about and she's saying like this is the right way
02:33:58.880to leave a church this is the right way to act in a church like this is how you do so you don't
02:34:03.220offend people she goes you know a lot of people have this wrong idea about ministry leadership
02:34:07.880like the other day I'm on the elevator and this guy's like oh you're in the ministry what do you
02:34:12.480do just read a bible and pray all day and the room just erupted in laughter bro and I just kind of
02:34:17.400like sunk down in the chair just like this but I went back to that passage and I was like no lady
02:34:22.820the joke's not on me the joke's on you it's right there in the book they laughed at you yeah i mean
02:34:28.260they didn't know it was me was it the first time that people laughed at you no i've been getting
02:34:31.620that for a long time not the last either dog see what i gotta deal with i want to make a joke but
02:34:38.720i don't know if you guys may be too young to get it you guys remember adam sandler's initial comedy
02:34:42.520sketches they're not gonna laugh at you you get uh no it's okay that's some retro comedy you guys
02:34:50.420can look up it's great great sound bites um yeah this is hilarious by the way whoever's in the live0.99
02:34:55.920chat um be aware of turkey mountain when it gets dusk all the gay people meet up there i'm sorry0.98
02:35:01.680watch out for that so people in the live chat talking about tulsa now also this is about the0.93
02:35:06.340funniest lot of gobblers at turkey mountain probably the funniest comment today in the
02:35:12.360live chat what's the minimum credit score to be a pastor our our i hope a lot of our guys stick
02:35:17.340around and but uh but forewarning then i hope they've been respectful they'll always be the
02:35:21.780most psychotic uh but they're very funny but the most psychotic people in your chair witty and0.96
02:35:25.960intelligent are going to be the dangerous retards they're very witty and intelligent they're very1.00
02:35:30.480smart um so someone's asking in the chat though what kind of church because i mentioned tulsa1.00
02:35:34.620earlier and they're apparently they're about to move to tulsa in a couple months and they're
02:35:37.700asking what kind of church teaches the stuff we're talking about unfortunately sister or brother
02:35:42.620no um i the methodist church that i went to sugar-coated bro yeah he said no no no not even
02:35:52.060close man um i tried to introduce some of this stuff um i was asked to guest speak at the church
02:35:57.940that i went to and i got to guest speak just in the sunday school for like six different occasions
02:36:02.160and and gave him a full breakdown on the nephilim and the first the first sunday school i spoke with
02:36:10.000the first time they asked me to do this because it was just one of the co-pastors that I had been
02:36:14.720speaking with, like I told you guys. And they realized that I had been studying this more than
02:36:20.600they had, right? So they were like, do you want to come talk about this to some of our Sunday
02:36:23.980schools? Because sometimes they have questions about these things. And the first one they asked
02:36:27.980me to go to was the Sunrisers Sunday School, 80 and over, 80 years old and over. And they met at
02:36:35.6008am on Sunday morning. And so I'm, I'm like still sleepy eyed,
02:36:40.480like standing up there at 8am and trying to give this breakdown on doing
02:36:44.260me three and the Nephilim and Agrabah Sean. And after it was done,
02:36:49.340it was like 50 minutes. And after it was done,
02:36:51.080like they came up to me and they were like, thank you so much for talking about
02:36:54.800this. We've wondered about this for decades.
02:36:57.680No one ever talks about this. Like these,
02:37:00.440these Q-tip gray haired ladies coming up and being like, thank you so much.
02:37:04.380we've always wondered about this it makes so much sense now and i'm just like the churches aren't
02:37:09.460talking about this stuff yeah yeah well this is the thing is is right sean it's like people have
02:37:15.620experiences and i think what you want to know as a christian is that the bible and your leaders and
02:37:22.420and the thing that you believe in your heart is equipped to deal with experiences that like
02:37:28.400are happening today still people have experiences and if they're not grounded and they don't know
02:37:32.360christianity that's what pushes them into the new age that's what pushes them into you know
02:37:39.080being wicked or being a witch like that's not a how do i say this that's not a um a flippant
02:37:44.500thing that i say there's an entire culture there's a vast body of of people millennials
02:37:50.900you know gen z um i guess you know gen x that are practicing wiccans and and these are people that
02:37:59.360like believe they believe in the nature of the spiritual realm of entities you know so much more
02:38:07.220so than the average christian does and and the average christian is not exempt from having a
02:38:13.680an experience but like how many people have an experience they bring it to their pastor
02:38:17.460and like the pastor doesn't have a frame for it or they just give them something that's reductive
02:38:23.180and dismissive and says well that sounds uh demonic or of the devil i would pray about it
02:38:28.460And it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, and I agree with that, but you also have to be able to sit there and go back and forth with somebody about the depth of their experience.
02:38:37.560And if you don't do it, if you don't explain this supernatural worldview, if you didn't explain these, these unbelievable events, I mean, our God came in the flesh, died, overcame death, was resurrected and is literally the path for redemption for us.
02:38:52.300That's unbelievable by, by many people's measure.
02:38:55.280if you're not willing to go to these other places because you don't think that it plays well
02:38:59.340with it or you're unsure about giants or these other belief systems are more than happy to
02:39:05.440discuss these things with people they're more than happy to facilitate that conversation
02:39:08.900yeah it's funny you mentioned that because like when i i went to bible school in tulsa
02:39:12.960that's how i moved to tulsa originally and um my the first like nine weeks i was there we like
02:39:19.100one of our classes we broke off into these like cell groups you know it was like 10 or 12 men
02:39:25.000that we were supposed to hold each other accountable and pray with each other you know and stuff meet up
02:39:28.600once a week and so um i came back the following week and i dyed my hair um all like platinum
02:39:36.440blonde because i was trying to be like goku i was trying to go super saiyan so i'm like 21 at the
02:39:43.060time you know and i'm watching dragon ball z like while i'm doing my bible study homework and so um
02:39:48.180so i i was like oh i'm gonna i'm just gonna dye my hair like super saiyan blonde and i and i didn't
02:39:53.640do it right the first time because i didn't i'd never done before i just did it at the house with
02:39:56.920some walmart stuff and it was like fire orange right because i didn't do enough of it because
02:40:01.580my hair is dark and i did my eyebrows too so it looked i looked i looked crazy so awesome so i
02:40:09.920show up and so at during this same week um i go to uh i'm going you know this bible school
02:40:16.980and every day i drive to this bible school i go past this uh angela's psychic shop right and i'm
02:40:23.020just like i'm just like oh god let me just pray for you as i do that drive by prayer thing just
02:40:26.900like pray for you may god heal you and bring you out of these unclean spirits and then um
02:40:31.580i'd i've been doing this for months and i i thought to myself man i just want to
02:40:36.920like man something should happen like this place should close down this this like that's i was
02:40:41.600young and naive i was like this guy should do something miraculous and just close this place
02:40:45.060down and get this lady saved right and i just heard clear as day well why don't you do it just
02:40:51.300go in there and talk to her. And so I was like, okay. So I just, you turned the car, pulled in
02:40:59.540and went in and talked to her. Right. And, and I prayed before I went in and said, father, please
02:41:04.900give me something specific to say to her. So I went in and talked to her and told her what I felt
02:41:08.460like I was supposed to say to her. And she got very uncomfortable and started looking like this0.82
02:41:12.280towards this back, this door that was like partially open in the back. And I was like,
02:41:16.080there's definitely other people here. And it just looked weird. And I was like, can you explain to
02:41:20.180me what you do and she kind of gave me a short breakdown on how she reads tarot cards and stuff
02:41:23.860and i was like all right well i don't need all that but i just want to let you know that god
02:41:26.880loves you he wants to break you free from these chains and you know i had some kind of like some
02:41:30.460things to say to her and and then i left and so when i went back to the bible school to this little
02:41:34.800men's group that we met occasionally i told them about this because they said you know like what's
02:41:39.360your week been like right and so i told them they're already looking at me weird because
02:41:43.380my hair's died and that was against bible school policy they're trying to ask you what's wrong
02:41:48.640i didn't tell them that i accidentally uh went to a gay club and didn't realize it until the
02:41:56.960guy so that was a whole nother story i got out of there unscathed but um basically so basically
02:42:03.940like i'm i'm trying to explain to them how i went to go witness to the psychic lady right
02:42:08.020and they were they were getting like super upset like whoa what are you doing you can't go in there
02:42:13.620by yourself you don't know what could jump on you you don't know how dangerous that is and i was like
02:42:18.140do we not serve the god of all creation like do i not have the holy spirit like what are you
02:42:24.680talking about you know and they're like well you remember like the the sons of skiva got beat up by
02:42:29.860the unclean spirits you know and i'm like but wait a minute man like they were false you know they
02:42:34.540didn't beat up paul and barnabas like they were false like i i want to i anyway so it's just i've
02:42:39.960that was my first time running into like this you know kind of cage stage spiritual atmosphere of
02:42:46.620you know everything's the devil and uh yeah you got to stay away from there and i'm like aren't
02:42:51.480we supposed to go shed the light into place the dark places you know i mean we had this
02:42:56.260similar situation and i don't know who was right or who was wrong still because it's something that
02:43:01.780like we like argued about just recently the the guy that fell off and there was like a weird
02:43:06.900supernatural reason that's why he fell off uh i suspect that when he was in my house with one
02:43:13.840of his ex-girlfriends that they something happened some sort of form of witchcraft uh including uh
02:43:19.840bloody panties with poop on them weird stuff and then my entire family they leave behind they'll
02:43:25.620leave behind like it's like a totem like something that anchors them to a location it's it's a whole
02:43:30.360thing yeah my my entire family got sick and it's it was it was a debacle for a long time this is
02:43:35.460before i even thought about starting the show and uh then we had a falling out with the guy and for
02:43:40.800some reason my like my eyes were open to it and i was like holy shit like this happened to me i
02:43:46.580think we were talking to vicky joy anderson and she was discussing some of the artifacts that
02:43:50.560would be left during forms of witchcraft and that was one of them and i'm like oh like on the podcast
02:43:55.340blew my mind that happened to me and now i'm telling david i'm like man this guy i i don't
02:44:00.760know if he's involved but definitely this girl was we had com i had confirmation the day after
02:44:05.320that they slept over it was the craziest thing oh yeah that's right they slept over some guy
02:44:09.480was moving my parents in from new york and i'm talking with him his brother doesn't come to help
02:44:14.900him to unpack my parents stuff so i'm helping him this is after like we did a whole event and all
02:44:19.280this i'm tired i'm talking with him i'm like let me chat this guy up and we go out into the little
02:44:23.240field right behind my house out out they come walking my friend and his girlfriend and it looks
02:44:28.840like he's seen a ghost she turns around gets in the car i was like so i asked him what the hell
02:44:33.260was that and he goes do you know her yes and he looks at me and he goes she's a witch and i'm just
02:44:38.700like you know i'm not i'm not thinking supernaturally at this moment i'm not there yet at
02:44:43.520all i'm in very much in a comedy political realm and i was like all right cool anyway years later0.96
02:44:48.800this happens it dawns upon me oh shit like after that we found the panties that she left in that0.97
02:44:53.760room my my entire household gets sick i'm left to assume what has this guy done and at the same time0.98
02:45:01.580david gets his premonition i need to go over there same thing with you i need to go over there and
02:45:06.480talk to him and i'm like dude don't do that because i got mixed like now i'm just thinking
02:45:13.220myself like yo i got mixed up with this and i i wasn't prepared and my family paid a price for it0.55
02:45:19.680it was bad like i was on we were thinking about leaving florida and going back to new york
02:45:23.140it was crazy i was about to just sell that would have been terrible that would have been terrible
02:45:27.260you would have been derailed from what god called you 100 100 derailed but like it was at that
02:45:31.280pivotal moment we would have never met that would have been probably that would have been awesome
02:45:35.060oh um but it was it was this pivotal moment of like i was like i could just sell this and just
02:45:41.000forget this this was a mistake um and i didn't but then yeah there's like me and david had some
02:45:46.560arguments like don't go over there and he ended up not going over there and he paid some sort of
02:45:50.920a price for that spiritually for being disobedient but i'm just like i know we're called to do
02:45:56.120i still struggle with do i want to put myself in a situation like that like if maybe it's just me
02:46:01.420overblowing it maybe I'm completely wrong or maybe that did happen but I think you were right it did
02:46:07.440happen but I think that God calls us to be faithful and not to operate in the spirit of fear and I
02:46:15.500think that and look you know it's not like every time we're gonna hit it out of the park like we
02:46:18.920were still like coming to this thing when all this happened that was at a pivotal moment we were
02:46:22.520changing dramatically the trajectory of the show was changing dramatically I think our walk with
02:46:26.800God has been exponentially strengthened since like that moment. But in that moment, I think
02:46:31.140the fundamental mistake that we made, I made myself, was that we were operating in a spirit
02:46:36.800of fear instead of faith. And I think that within all things, you're given this choice, right?
02:46:42.380The world or God at any moment puts a thing in front of you. And that thing, your decision on
02:46:49.760how to do with it can almost always be boiled down to a decision made in fear or a decision
02:46:54.660made in faith and i've gotten quite used to um this kind of faith-based decision throughout my
02:47:02.500life because i've been i used to be homeless when i was younger i think when you don't have
02:47:07.180a lot to lose it's much easier to start moving in in faith than it is in fear when you have a lot
02:47:14.300like you were dealing with a thing you had just bought a house there's you know you've moved your
02:47:18.060whole family out there house and my like my wife got sick to the point where we spent like man
02:47:23.580fifteen thousand dollars on you know uh we bought it to the doctors but obviously western medicine
02:47:29.140wants to do weird stuff and we were we went an alternative route ivs uh any kind of you know
02:47:35.740alternative healing we can and we actually helped her she's she's good now after 15 grand after0.87
02:47:40.720fucking 15 grand yeah but it's crazy sorry to curse but it's crazy the way god works as well0.56
02:47:45.680and it's like like i like you i guess i forget i forget but we do the show we we create this0.99
02:47:51.800dumb show and our first three sponsors out of nowhere should people who should never sponsor
02:47:57.620us are like you know parasite cleanse company these are things i spent money on frequency0.95
02:48:01.420technology like like a rife machine he sponsored us who else uh all the health products like you
02:48:07.320know like uh shout out to van man these are all things like i'm spending tons of money on because
02:48:12.460now my wife is like she has to detox she's got to do all these things and it's just given right
02:48:16.660back to me in the dumbest way possible it's like here you go you spent all that money you're about
02:48:21.140to quit here it's it's all right there right back and i'm just like i don't know yeah it's it's0.95
02:48:26.860insane it's insane wait a minute you guys got sponsors not anymore not anymore they ran but but
02:48:34.040i i do that's balling yo i had to create my own company just to have a sponsor we use we use a
02:48:39.240different model there are there's there's opportunity out there but it's it's uh it's
02:48:42.660hard to keep track of and like yeah because it's like oh you're a uh with a three-man team now
02:48:47.480previously two-man team and it's like okay so you're going to develop a relationship with these
02:48:51.340people keep a relationship with these people reach out to them all the time make sure that you know
02:48:54.480that's a fruitful thing it's like we're just a couple of dudes trying to do this thing but0.91
02:48:58.020i think now where i'm at is like it's a mixture right you shouldn't be foolish you shouldn't
02:49:04.220engage in anything that's going to open up doorways but you also shouldn't be afraid so so so in other0.90
02:49:09.920words like don't go out don't do tarot cards don't do dumb crap because you believe that your god is0.94
02:49:15.120stronger than whatever's going to happen to you from the tarot cards, because you're giving0.96
02:49:17.620consent to a thing. It's not about your God being stronger in that instance, you're doing a foolish0.99
02:49:21.820thing and opening up a line of communication with something, giving something consent, giving
02:49:26.160something access to you. But in these instances where like, if you're thinking about witchcraft
02:49:30.540or somebody coming and doing a thing to you, if you're in good standing, if you're not the one
02:49:34.920who's going out and seeking divination or some crap like that, who can stand against me if God
02:49:39.780is with me right that's that's the core of everything why would i be afraid if you came
02:49:44.740into this coffee shop and i didn't seek you out and you started i don't know trying to to cast a
02:49:50.840spell on i would tell you in the name of jesus christ to kick rocks and nothing that you're
02:49:55.560going to do is going to stand against me i don't have any fear associated with any of that stuff
02:50:00.220and i think also because when i was younger it's like i i was very comfortable with the fact that
02:50:06.320all of this was real. Saw a lot of stuff, experienced a lot of stuff. I didn't figure
02:50:10.720out that there was a real remedy to it till I was 30 something years old. Now that I know that remedy
02:50:15.520is Jesus Christ, that through the authority of Jesus Christ, through his name, we have authority
02:50:19.600over these spiritual entities that don't have our best interests at heart. It's like a cheat code.
02:50:25.320I already got it. I'm good. I don't have anything to be afraid of. And honestly, they're parasitic
02:50:31.040and weak in nature. They need us to be able to interact with this physical realm. They operate
02:50:36.780best when you believe that they are you, right? So they're whispering thoughts and ideas and
02:50:41.760impulses in your mind. And they try to tell you something about yourself that's not true,
02:50:46.280but they really operate best when you believe that those thoughts are your own. They're not
02:50:50.460your own, but why are they pretending to be it? Because they're weak. They're weak. They don't
02:50:55.100have any authority over you. You have to come into agreement with them for them to have authority
02:50:58.760you over you. So, you know, it's, it's amazing. Ephesians five, I think says the best is this
02:51:04.800right to refresh your mind with the washing of the water, the word, you know, that way,
02:51:08.960you're not getting all these other words in your brain that confuse you, leads you into the wrong
02:51:13.280path. In fact, it's funny, you mentioned about, you know, not, not engaging in these practices
02:51:17.760in order to, to reach people in these practices. And that's like, it reminds me of first Corinthians
02:51:23.740nine, you know, the context when, when it says, I make myself all things to all men that I might
02:51:27.600when some for christ paul's not going out there when he's witnessing uh at the below the temple
02:51:33.780to athena he's not going to worship at the temple to athena right he's just he's just going to the
02:51:39.360people that are there the greeks that are there and in the same way i saw this comment earlier
02:51:43.800there are tons of millennials and zoomers and wiccan and that's yeah that's another story that
02:51:49.140i when i was in tulsa me and some dudes used to go run at midnight we would try to run there's
02:51:53.840this park in the middle of tulsa that's like six miles if you can run the whole thing we can only
02:51:57.580ever make like two or three miles but like we would go run at midnight and it was also just you know
02:52:01.560we'd go out and bs with each other and it was fun but one night as we're running through this park
02:52:05.520because there's it's a there's a golf course interlaced throughout the park and there's these
02:52:11.240two girls doing a wiccan ritual at midnight next to this pond on the golf course dressed in white
02:52:17.920white wedding dresses with their hands out towards the water standing at the edge of the water with
02:52:22.740their eyes closed and because i'm just always curious in nature i just run right up to them
02:52:27.740like we're just all running and everybody's like hey what's that and i'm like i'm gonna go ask them
02:52:34.740what they're doing so like i walk up to them and they're just they don't even acknowledge i'm there
02:52:39.120they just got their eyes closed their hands out and these are two girls that are like 20 years old
02:52:44.380you know attractive and here's some strange dude that just ran up to them and they don't even
02:52:49.740acknowledge I'm there you know they don't even flinch and I'm like uh okay and my all my guy
02:52:55.580friends are like standing up on the top of the hill of the distance and I'm just like I'm looking
02:53:00.300at them like I don't know what they're doing so I wrote we we start running again and God's just
02:53:05.340hitting me hard just like go back go back interrupt them interrupt them so like I I tell my friends
02:53:14.040I'm like guys and this one kid he knew his name was Bill he's my roommate he's like you're gonna
02:53:18.940to go back aren't you i'm like i'm you i gotta go back i gotta go back so i ran back and i
02:53:23.000interrupted their little ritual and they ended up coming back later about 15 minutes later
02:53:28.220and i'm already i've already interrupted them i'm talking to them and and they're both from
02:53:33.400alabama they're new to oklahoma and they're doing this wiccan ritual like there was supposedly some
02:53:38.820wiccan special holy day or whatever and i just start telling about jesus and one of these girls
02:53:44.140get saved and then we take her to uh church for like the next two months every wednesday night
02:53:50.960to the youth group because she was like 17 or whatever that's incredible or 18 i think but um
02:53:56.060either way she uh you know it's just one of those deals like i if i just left it alone
02:54:01.380they would have continued to do whatever who knows you know but i was like you know what i'm
02:54:06.040just gonna interrupt these these devil worshipers you know i'm saying like they they want to come
02:54:11.060into churches in Tulsa and interrupt and cast spells from the back of the church that happens
02:54:15.020by the way in Tulsa Oklahoma you have groups of witches that are going to churches and try to cast
02:54:18.940spells from the back oh yeah but um so yeah I'm like why not we just go and interrupt them just
02:54:24.220take the take the light of Christ to them and see what happens I'm so I thought it was going to turn
02:54:28.140out a different way I thought they were going to like I thought they were going to kill him
02:54:30.680but no that's awesome that's incredible man that's uh that's um just fun stuff of like you can
02:54:38.680you you do have literally god on your side you know i'm saying like when you understand the
02:54:45.000concept of angels and demons and the whole biblical context like only 200 angels rebelled
02:54:50.880now we don't know how many unclean spirits there were it seems to be there were lots of them but
02:54:56.440but according to eunuch and jubilees only a tenth of them are still left under satan's control after
02:55:01.480the flood which which does like which means if there's i don't know if the population report is
02:55:08.000correct but if there's seven to eight billion people on the earth there's not enough demons0.51
02:55:11.560for everybody you know like you're and if you look at the like the the hebraic you know math
02:55:18.300of myriads upon myriads mentioning of the number of angels there's a lot more angels than demons
02:55:23.740and rebellious angels like the greater majority is on god's side you're you are you have a huge
02:55:31.100posse on your side you know like greater is he that's in you than he that's in the world literally
02:55:37.920but numerically greater like you you're on the winning side and you have the numbers you do not
02:55:43.600need to be afraid you know you just need to make sure that you're actually doing what he's called
02:55:47.260you to do and he's got your back on a percent you know and that's where we're gonna try going
02:55:51.780forward sean we're gonna try all right geez stop stop convicting me how dare you yeah i just want
02:55:57.960to encourage you guys i think what you're doing though by creating the conversation is important
02:56:02.880right you may not be praying with each individual at each church that listens to you
02:56:06.540and leading them explicitly through each scripture even though you know matt's clearly bringing some
02:56:13.300balance to you guys's channel right with what he's doing oh yeah but all the people that are
02:56:18.300listening you're not able to walk them you know intimately walk them through the scriptures and
02:56:22.500make sure they're being discipled you're praying that they're getting that from the places from
02:56:26.240they're watching you but but the fact that you're bringing up these topics and pointing people back
02:56:30.120to the bible and trying to defend against the clear deceptive narrative i just want to encourage
02:56:34.640you guys keep going don't give up thank you man i i appreciate it that's like you know what i pray
02:56:40.380i just ask that like you know if it's if it's one person i don't know i'm not the best at scripture
02:56:44.580i'm i'm still learning i have like my testimony my experience my point of view and it's just like
02:56:49.460if somebody hears it and it strengthens their walk and they orient more towards christ maybe
02:56:54.820they were already on the walk but they're they're encouraged or maybe they thought a bunch of things
02:57:00.080and didn't think christianity had anything to say about those things and then it turns out it does
02:57:04.480and and that's what helps them that that's it it's we get on the mic every day and maybe
02:57:09.600one person per conversation you know hears that and then they got a little question in their head
02:57:15.840and they go huh investigate a little further that's the best that i can do that's it man that's
02:57:19.700it that's that's that's and and honestly that's huge to me the fact that we get to do that is
02:57:24.500is incredible like i get to do that like that's what like when i pass and i get to meet jesus
02:57:29.600like is he gonna you said that i think once it's like you'd be a high five or just be like yeah
02:57:33.380like if he's like hey good job and then points to people and there's a body of people there
02:57:37.780that are like yeah dude you helped like whoa that's uh that's pretty much it that's as big
02:57:43.740as it gets that is awesome brother you're actually repeating a short story i read back in 1998 by a
02:57:49.100guy named robert resmussen christian author who wrote a book of short stories and that's one of
02:57:53.980the short stories is that a guy gets to heaven and there's a great throng of people and he runs
02:58:00.620into somebody he knows and they're like oh and he's like oh man i never knew that you were a
02:58:05.480believer and he's like yeah it was from these people over here told me about christ and lo and
02:58:09.380behold that's the person this guy had went to witness to so like even though he didn't witness
02:58:14.520to his neighbor he'd witness to a separate group that he thought was completely detached from his
02:58:18.600neighbor they ended up getting his neighbor saved you know i mean and so like yeah just it's all
02:58:23.540connected and it's a beautiful beautiful little book of short stories but it was before chicken
02:58:28.860suit for the soul got popular um but anyway thank you guys i will probably should end it i appreciate
02:58:34.960you guys giving me three hours today um it's i appreciate you giving us your time man this went
02:58:39.720quick man and yeah it's a pleasure it's also it's uh it's encouraging because i obviously we do we
02:58:45.440do like crazy stuff we delve in comedy but when somebody with your uh with your like body of work
02:58:51.300and understanding of this stuff and like matt matt is another type of person it's like you guys
02:58:55.940understand the bible so deeply for you to look at some of the things that we do and kind of get it
02:58:59.700and see what we're pointed at even though it's this i don't know it's it's like an abstract way
02:59:04.660yeah it's an abstract pointing but like like thank thank you for having us on and allowing us to uh
02:59:10.840spread what we're doing here i think what we're doing we could reach a certain amount of a specific
02:59:15.740a specific type of person yeah and that's all that we want to do just say well you know what's
02:59:21.720happened to us yeah one little alien nugget before we go so you guys talked about the concept of
02:59:29.640buried crafts that have always been here kind of thing being part of the disclosure and everything
02:59:34.260look up when you have time look up the um i think it's an aswan it's in it's in the what
02:59:41.920used to be called the the upper kingdom of ancient egypt near near one of the pyramids
02:59:46.140it's the underground labyrinth that they have found it's supposedly so large that it hosts
02:59:54.300all the idols of egypt there's like a temple to each of the idols of egypt underneath this thing
02:59:58.960it's massive it's considered one of the largest unearthed discoveries because they've done the
03:00:04.740ground penetrating radar and they found the top of the roof of it and everything and they they know
03:00:08.940from historical accounts what it's supposed to be it's in this exact location with the exact size
03:00:14.060descriptions um historians like herodotus and planus and a whole bunch of other people from
03:00:19.080the fourth century bc up until the second century a.d all talked about going to visit this amazing
03:00:25.280ridiculously large lap bigger than any pyramid constructed with all the idols of egypt in there
03:00:32.100with a pyramid a 24-story pyramid at the bottom of it i've heard i'm looking at it now yeah plus
03:00:39.260supposedly there's this ring there's this mysterious ring they don't know if it's a
03:00:44.940craft or what it is that that they've seen in in the gpr scans that's at the bottom of it that
03:00:50.600they think so my my theory is that they are going to unearth the labyrinth and escalate and do an
03:00:57.320excavation of it with archaeology as a part of the disclosure because they're gonna be like oh look
03:01:02.200we've had a ship buried down here this whole time we're the ancient gods of ancient egypt and
03:01:07.300And, you know, the Sudoku guy with the crazy hair and ancient aliens, he was right.