Dr. Jerry Marzinski joins the show to discuss his new book, "Breaking the Spell of the Ivory Tower: A Journey into the Psychotic Mind" and how he believes the pharmaceutical industry is trying to make billions of dollars off of our suffering.
00:28:47.940You know, most common psychological problem.
00:28:50.660It's having a little bit more trouble with schizophrenia because those voices are different entities.
00:28:56.740But it will remove the trauma that they feed off of.
00:29:00.560So even though in a lot of cases it won't completely cure schizophrenia, it'll make it a lot better.
00:29:08.340You know, and then once you educate the person as to what's actually going on, that this isn't a biochemical imbalance as the big pharma made up.
00:29:17.960That was a complete fabrication, this biochemical imbalance crap.
00:29:22.300You know, first they started off blaming the mothers.
00:29:24.920Say, oh, mothers did something wrong, and that's why the kids are becoming schizophrenics.
00:31:28.200I called it demoralization before, but now I'm thinking just straight trauma.
00:31:34.540And it kind of does make sense if you are, let's say, like a lower vibrational entity that is in charge of this large apparatus called the government.
00:31:43.500And you kind of wanted to produce more ways for other entities to get into your general population of 300 million plus people.
00:31:51.780And then you combine that with antipsychotics, which is what you were just talking about.
00:31:58.600And it's, I feel like that creates the world we have today where you're taking like half the people off the grid.
00:32:05.540Then the other half, you're trying to drive them to insanity.
00:32:09.560You know, the ones that you haven't doled down.
00:32:11.460Then there's a small remnant of us who are kind of seeing through the bullshit and still have our minds about us, you know, as of right now.
00:32:19.580Man, this is, it doesn't look very good.
00:32:29.800Now, the deal is if they're running fixed, repeatable, you know, non-variable patterns, they can't be hallucinations, which the psychiatric mafia is insisting with no research into the matter whatsoever.
00:32:46.680They're just declaring that these things are hallucinations.
00:32:50.080And what's interesting is that these patterns that these psychotic voices run are the same patterns that we're hearing over the television every day from the mainstream media right now.
00:33:03.920And I'll run through some of them for you.
00:35:45.940They foster self-destructive or self-defeating behavior.
00:35:51.720They're always putting these people up to sabotaging themselves, to getting themselves in trouble, to getting themselves thrown in jail or prison.
00:36:00.300Once they get them thrown in prison, and the prisons have become the state hospitals now since they closed all the state hospitals.
00:36:07.440So they're putting all the schizophrenics in there now, and they're being abused and threatened and terrorized by some of these other gangster inmates.
00:36:19.100And then when their sentence is up, they release them with two weeks of medicine and 50 bucks and said, okay, you're free.
00:36:27.040You know, they're in much worse shape than they ever went in there on.
00:36:30.880So the prisons are generating worse and worse criminals.
00:36:36.700You know, I've seen them release people that I knew would kill somebody in six months, but their sentence was up.
00:37:01.440They're just frigging stagnant holding tanks for these people, you know, and they pay off the legislators and go, oh, yeah, we can keep your people in prison for cheaper than anybody else because they don't do anything for them.
00:37:14.620They're just sitting there rotting away, you know.
00:37:18.880So the voices demand the attention of the victim.
00:37:21.420You know, they maneuver for increased control over the victims just like the government does, more and more control all the time.
00:38:03.620So, Dr. Marzinski, does this – this correlation I find really interesting, and I'm glad you brought this up again because I had written it down.
00:38:11.920You mentioned it earlier, right, them having access to the memories and sort of throwing past trespasses in the victim's face, right, as a manipulation tool.
00:38:20.640And so it's – I guess it demoralizes them.
00:38:23.940It gives them – it's going to produce more negative energy, thereby more control over the victim.
00:38:29.480And this reminds me very much of – we could just look to the Exorcist film where – and there's plenty of them.
00:38:38.160They've made this movie ad nauseum over and over again.
00:38:40.220And there's always the – the person who's been possessed by this entity has somehow the ability to recall something about, let's say, for example, the priest who is praying over them, trying to exorcise the demons.
00:38:56.780Suddenly, this person turns to them and knows a thing that they've done in the past and wields it against them in this moment.
00:39:05.440And I recently had a guest on my other show, and he was talking about – he made a church in Alberta, Canada.
00:39:16.540And there's a really big drug issue out there, and he was trying to help remedy this.
00:39:24.020And one of the things that he would see is these people who were on drugs.
00:39:29.260From his perspective, he felt like they were possessed.
00:39:31.420And, you know, but once again, this line, right, between mental illness and demonic possession, and the way that he's describing them to me is very accusatory.
00:39:43.040So even at the lower stages of really rampant drug use, often a user will turn very negatively towards anybody who would interact with them and use sort of accusatory language.
00:39:59.380And at its highest stages, where it really – drug abuse really looks like – high-level mental illness really looks like –
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00:42:13.940They were psychotic, as psychotic as anybody in the psychiatric hospital.
00:42:20.720You know, it makes people crazy, and they stay crazy.
00:42:24.520It doesn't go away, you know, so if they start hearing voices and it doesn't go away within six months, there's a very good chance they're going to be psychotic for the rest of their lives.
00:43:47.020Because I also feel like there's something that happens when people get addicted to really hard drugs like meth and things like that, where anybody who seeks to help them is somehow turned into the enemy.
00:43:59.720And so when I think of, like, the accusatory nature, I also think of that.
00:44:03.120Was that something that you saw particularly with meth?
00:44:05.560That's what I saw with meth, and I saw with schizophrenia.
00:44:09.140You know, the voices are telling the person that anybody who's trying to help them is their enemy.
00:44:14.140You know, so that's particularly difficult for moms and dads who have schizophrenic kids because they don't realize that.
00:44:22.660They don't, for the most part, they don't realize that those voices are entities trying to take over their kid.
00:44:28.980You know, and the worst thing they can do is allow them to sit in their bedrooms by themselves listening to the voices.
00:44:35.780But the voices make it so miserable for the parents that a lot of times they just give up and say, yeah, go sit in your room and leave us alone.
00:44:55.940He went on a journey similar to what you're talking about, using a drug and looking for answers from the other side.
00:45:04.040The drug was mushrooms, but what the story turns out that he told us is that he did make contact with entities from the other side, but they've been giving him advice, and it's been exactly the opposite of the traits that you just described with the schizophrenic entities.
00:45:36.160He's fully convinced that he's communicating with them.
00:45:39.120And another overlap there was he was taking a lot of mushrooms to contact these things whenever they decided they would give him a nudge, hey, we want to talk, get the mushrooms.
00:45:50.380Now he says he doesn't have to anymore.
00:46:52.480I can tell you where you lost, that kind of stuff.
00:46:54.800And once they hooked them, then they turn on them.
00:46:59.440You know, so they want to get them hooked and believing that this is a positive entity that can help them out from the other side, like their guardian angel or Christ or something like that.
00:47:09.520Once they get them believing in them, then they turn on them and ravage them.
00:47:12.960So this is the only case, what you're telling me, is the only case I've ever heard where something like that came through except for maybe that Seth material or something like that.
00:47:59.200Well, the first thing that people need to realize is that these aren't hallucinations and that these toxic drugs that psychiatrists are feeding these people aren't getting rid of anything.
00:48:10.600They're just, they're just, you know, like you guys said, they're major tranquilizers.
00:48:17.940And neither do there any depressants or any anxiety agents.
00:48:21.600They're all they're doing is drugging the brain.
00:48:23.460So the first thing they need to understand is that these things are entities, you know, they are not hallucinations, that they are not the person, that the voices they hear in their head do not belong to them.
00:48:37.500They come from these entities, you know, and they're marked by usually negative stuff about the person themselves or people around them.
00:48:47.100And their intent is not the same as the intent of the person themselves.
00:48:51.120That's the first thing that has to be done.
00:48:54.320And the mainstream media, big pharma, they're making over $4 billion a year on antipsychotic drugs.
00:49:15.040They could care less whether they work or not.
00:49:17.200And they've got the entire human race under their thumb.
00:49:22.560The entire Western world is believing they're bullcrap.
00:49:26.480Oh, yeah, we're the only people who can treat schizophrenia.
00:49:29.940We're the mental health specialists of the world, you know.
00:49:33.720And you look at their – you would think that schizophrenics have a suicide rate of three to five times higher than the normal population.
00:49:47.580You would expect that from schizophrenics.
00:49:50.680Psychiatrists also have that same number of suicides.
00:49:56.100They're virtually identical to that of the schizophrenics, three to five times that of the normal population.
00:50:04.100These are the people who are running the mental health system in the United States.
00:50:08.440Not only the United States, all over the Western world.
00:50:17.040They're also making the most contact with these entities.
00:50:22.700If this is radiation, you know, and someone was, like, just green glowing and the doctors are sitting there next to him, it's like, you're going to get that, dude.
00:50:30.900And especially if you don't know what you're dealing in, which is, like, one of the most important things in life in general.
00:50:39.260If you don't know that it's spiritual, then you're going to be like, I don't know, trust the plan with Q or you're going to be like, I'm going to go over here and cut my dick off because people said so.
00:50:48.000You've got no – you're flying blind.
00:50:54.300And that's why doctors, especially psychiatrists, are attacked by their patients more than virtually any other doctors.
00:51:04.180And I remember seeing that when I got to Central State Hospital.
00:51:07.920Psychiatrists were always getting slugged.
00:51:10.920You know, it was more than psych nurses.
00:51:12.800It was more than psychologists, counselors.
00:51:15.640Their assault rate was virtually identical to that of attendants who were working 24 hours a day on the wards with these psychotic people.
00:51:23.240You know, and they were – I think they were a little bit afraid of these people.
00:51:27.940So they didn't want you irritating them at all because you couldn't ever predict what they were going to do.
00:51:33.660So they didn't want anybody asking questions that would irritate the voices.
00:51:38.220So you look at the overall – so here's psychiatry, the psychiatric mafia, and big pharma saying we're the only people that can treat mental illness.
00:51:51.580We're the experts, you know, you look at what they're doing.
00:51:55.700I mean, in the – last year, there was 49,200 people in the United States committed suicide in 2002, 2022.
00:52:06.320That's almost 50,000 people killed themselves in the United States alone.
00:52:11.100And this is with more anti-psychotic and psychiatric drugs than have ever existed on the planet in the history of mankind.
00:52:23.600And this is happening year after year after year after year.
00:52:35.400You know, the CDC reports 132 people in the U.S. killed themselves every day with more psychiatric drugs on the planet than ever before, ever.
00:52:44.740You know, so only 50,000 people died in the Vietnam War that lasted 10 years.
00:52:52.580And you've got almost 50,000 people killing themselves every year, year after year after year, taking these frigging antidepressant drugs that don't work worth a crap and make them feel like crap.
00:53:04.440The Mace Energy Method could handle this.
00:53:07.200They could fix these people, but they won't promote it.
00:53:10.880You know, between 2000 and 2018, the suicide rates increased 37%.
00:54:33.900I'd give them an A plus because if you're looking at something like this, it doesn't appear like, like you said, the correlation between psychologists, mental health psychologists and suicide is on like a consistent level spiking up together.
00:54:50.380I was like, yeah, if I wanted this to look this way, I would keep building this medical system.
00:54:56.500If I, there's no, at this point, there's so much evidence, like we'll talk about the COVID vaccine or whatever.
00:55:02.640There's so much evidence where it's like, it's clearly dangerous, clearly bad, but they keep pushing it almost as if the desired outcome is, you know, what they're at.
00:55:10.900So, yeah, A plus for these guys for doing whatever evil shit that they're doing.
00:55:36.440They're making, again, $14 billion a year selling those and $14 billion for anti-psychotic drugs.
00:55:44.280We're talking billion, not million, billion.
00:55:47.860And then when you come up with the SSRIs, it's actually causing people to have psychotic events.
00:55:52.980Man, guys, the Nazis won World War II.
00:55:56.200This is like the Nazis won World War II.
00:55:59.340They're in contact with some kind of entities and they're actually in control of this government that's doing this.
00:56:04.120That's the only way any of this shit makes sense.
00:56:07.460Otherwise, your own government hates you.
00:56:09.460There's an aspect of this that I really want to talk about, which is the fact that this entire time, schizophrenia and diseases that are, you know, mental health diseases that are like it are often described as hereditary.
00:56:22.460And that would need to be completely revamped through this scope.
00:56:25.920When I was younger, I explained to you that my aunt has these issues.
00:56:30.580And I actually was in her presence one day.
00:59:18.740There's no, like, in order to prove that there's a chemical imbalance in the brain, you would almost need to have a sample of a brain.
00:59:25.820And I would imagine, I mean, I'm clearly no chemist or biologist, but you would need to do something on a physical level to determine what the normal levels of, you know, cortisol.
01:00:12.340Even though they'll tell you it's a chemical imbalance, you go to your psychiatrist, you ask them, how do you know it's a chemical imbalance?
01:01:31.140They looked at me and they were like, yeah, checks out.
01:01:32.740No, I'm sitting there with my mom and the therapist or the psychologist, I'm not too sure which one actually oversees this, hands me a packet of math problems.
01:01:44.860And I think I was maybe like 12 or 11.
01:01:47.480And he hands me a packet of math problems, sits me down, tells me to complete them to the best of my abilities.
01:01:53.400While that's happening, he's discussing me and my performance in school with my mother in front of me, which is very distracting.
01:02:00.640So I'm listening to what they're talking about and I'm trying my best to fill out.
01:02:04.680My inability to complete the packet to whatever standard that they expected me to be able to complete it was enough for them to put me on Adderall.
01:02:13.720And so for my – I think I would have been 13 years old.
01:02:17.140For my eighth grade experience, I was on Adderall for a majority of that year based off of just anecdotal stories about my inability to focus in class and then my inability to finish a math packet in a timely fashion while they talked about me in front of me.
01:02:34.480That was how I was – and then essentially put me on meth.
01:02:37.960Jerry, is this applicable like to – if we're to create another Nuremberg trial, like I don't want to implicate you in it.
01:02:45.140But like, man, there's so many people guilty of – just that story right there is baffling.
01:02:50.780They're like, hey, kid, we're going to ruin your life if you don't do these math problems within this certain amount of time and then they just go ahead and do it.
01:02:58.460Let me tell you how bad it actually is.
01:03:18.540More than – it's like 622 – over 622,000 of these children are under the age of five, under the age of five on these major psychiatric drugs.
01:03:33.540Over 80,000 are on ADHD drugs, which leads to meth in a lot of cases.
01:03:41.160Over 38,000 of these kids under the age of five are on antidepressant drugs.
01:03:46.800Here's the side effects of antidepressant drugs.
01:03:51.080Nausea, weight gain, trouble sleeping, dry mouth, blurred vision, dizziness, anxiety, headache, diarrhea or constipation, sexual problems, fatigue, tremors, increased swelling, lower alcohol content, bleeding, lower sodium levels, vomiting, restlessness, muscle cramps and seizures.
01:04:10.200And they're putting these kids on these antidepressant drugs.
01:04:15.460And you wonder, does this help anything?
01:04:18.660Does – are the – maybe these effects that I experience, these side effects that I experience, I would imagine that they line up with meth.
01:04:24.860So what I experienced three things definitively was dramatic weight loss, loss of appetite, and increased irritability.
01:04:33.080And so that year I got into an incredible amount of fights.
01:04:35.940I actually had to go to the Scared Straight program in order to graduate from middle school into high school.
01:04:41.760And to me that sounds like – I imagine meth addicts are pretty irritable.
01:04:45.900And I also see them getting very thin and they don't seem to be focused on eating very much.
01:04:49.800No. So, you know, with somebody who really has ADHD, you give them Ritalin or Adderall and they fall asleep.
01:06:12.340And because your child will not bend to the rules and adhere to the system properly, then you go to a medical professional who says put your kid on meth.
01:06:23.100It's almost like one government institutional system that is a failure or a complete success feeds the other.
01:06:30.880Like in the education system, we can talk all day about what's wrong with it.
01:06:35.200I homeschool my kids because I don't fuck with that stuff.
01:06:38.000But it's like, yeah, it's a failure done on purpose to feed the next thing almost.
01:06:48.600I mean they want to – they want you dead and they want to have sex with your children and they think it's funny is what constantly comes in my brain whenever I think about this.
01:07:16.520All these mental illnesses are completely drained up by this panel of psychiatrists that meets every couple of years and they just make these things up.
01:07:27.680They vote them in and they vote them out.
01:07:30.360You know, it's a complete work of fiction.
01:07:34.280There is no test to test for any of the mental disorders in this group, in this book.
01:09:04.500These are just classes of behaviors that are made up by psychiatrists and voted to be a mental disorder.
01:09:10.080I think what's worse right now, too, is that – talk about a layup for the pharmaceutical industry and the medical apparatus that surrounds it – is that we are now in this epidemic of – I don't know if you guys have noticed this.
01:09:26.040People who are more than happy to self-diagnose.
01:09:29.360There's like sort of a cult of personality that's developed around relating to or claiming to – oh, that's – like I can't tell you.
01:09:41.120TikTok is inundated with this is how to know that you have ADHD.
01:09:47.480Not only that, this is what – if you have this going on in your life or that going on – and it's some of the most benign, inconsequential things that they'll go.
01:09:56.200Well, this means that you have ADHD or this means that you have that.
01:09:59.520People are – there is sort of a reward system, a cultural reward system set up around self-identifying as having a mental illness.
01:10:11.100This is something that I've noticed like is rampant.
01:10:13.620As somebody who was diagnosed when I was a kid, I find it horrible to just hear this.
01:10:19.300There's almost a – it's almost become a fad.
01:10:21.360That is, I think, an accurate way to put it.
01:11:06.320New Zealand and the U.S. are the only two countries as far as I'm concerned.
01:11:09.700I don't know if it's changed since I learned this that actually advertise for pharmaceuticals.
01:11:15.400And so this is a payday for – you're doing the work of these pseudo-intellectuals, these medical professionals who would be diagnosing it.
01:11:28.200And you go to them and you go, well, now it's not – well, I saw a commercial and the commercial said if you experience A, B, C, and D, you may be – you may have this disease and may be eligible for this medication.
01:16:32.300You said that they're saying homosexuality is a disorder because they can't figure out why.
01:16:36.860What do you think about the whole transgender thing that's happening here?
01:16:41.280Because that has a very high suicide rate as well.
01:16:45.500And it's also one of these things where I wouldn't be surprised if most of these people are having a – I mean, clearly, you're having a second dialogue in your head, right?
01:17:34.900Are you saying the more you, like, feed into it, the larger you open this portal for maybe more things to come in?
01:17:45.200Or do you think some people are susceptible to – I guess we talked about the familial thing, where they might be more susceptible to the same entities or similar ones that are affecting their family?
01:17:58.160Or perhaps even psychologists that are around this, they're constantly physically around these other people.
01:18:03.700You might be, you know, just being spoken to or, you know, touched by these things.
01:18:09.640Maybe there's something about the six feet that they were doing during COVID, right?
01:18:31.100So separation is one of the things that they're after.
01:18:36.900Dr. Marzinski, we're coming to this hour-and-a-half point, and I really do think it would be appropriate to discuss – we discussed Psalms 22, right, and how these voices and entities –
01:20:31.180They don't tell the truth about hardly anything.
01:20:34.160You know, 98% of what they tell people are lies.
01:20:38.740So Sherry, my co-author in this book, if you want to know more about this stuff, you know, how we came to the conclusion, you can go get this off Amazon.
01:20:49.080You can get it off our website at jerrymarzynski.com.
01:20:53.600But Sherry came up with the idea that – well, she cured herself this way – is by every time the voices told her some bull crap, she'd say, that's a lie.
01:21:26.400But when you're telling your patients this, like how to – how – what's – not just the success rate, but like I could imagine this could get really tricky for these people,
01:21:35.800especially if you're at like a low energy level and you're telling something, like I'm on to you.
01:21:41.620There's probably going to be some kind of a fight.
01:21:47.360There's a fight going on all the time because at some level, the person realizes that they're being pulled in a direction they don't want to go.
01:21:54.660You know, the only time there might not be a fight is the ones who believe – so I did another study on what these people believe.
01:22:06.780The ones who believe what psychiatry is telling, that these are hallucinations, there's nothing they can do about them except take their toxic medications.
01:22:15.280They're the ones that are the worst off.
01:22:17.100They're the ones that are least likely to succeed.
01:22:19.540Then there's a middle group that are going, well, I don't know what they are.
01:22:25.860You know, they haven't made the decision that they're hallucinations, you know.
01:22:30.600And then there's the third group that – the group that has the most chance to succeed are the ones that realize that these voices are not them.
01:23:38.500And so I could see that as being the most integral – the most important aspect of all this is to switch the mindset over from being a passive victim of your own psychology and into a much more proactive mode of you're actually being influenced by something that's not yourself.
01:24:01.080And I think that that is also – it probably, if you can accept that, comes with this really high level of vindication, right?
01:24:08.620Because previously you've been told on every level that this is just you.
01:24:15.940This doesn't exist actually except for in your own mind when I imagine for these people this feels very real.
01:24:25.020And so it's a level of self-betrayal, right, to have to come to terms with the fact that this is just a hallucination.
01:24:34.860That is incredibly demoralizing because then you now have to operate from a playing field of my perspective is incredibly faulty and unreliable.
01:24:48.560I cannot trust my own senses or myself and it's isolating and it's demoralizing and to turn and say, no, something is happening to you.
01:25:00.980You're being influenced by something that does not have your best intentions and in fact is waging war against you has to give back an incredible amount of agency to these people.
01:25:11.800Yes, and it does and they – see, I've had people contact me in my private practice that, you know, they said once I found out that it wasn't me, that was enough.
01:25:26.960You know, it's incredibly liberating for them to know that it's not them because we're taught from the time we're kids that every thought that comes into your mind belongs to you.
01:26:31.800But, yeah, they – you know, the first time – I saw they were running these patterns, you know, real quick.
01:26:38.860So what I started doing was throwing monkey wrenches into the patterns when I was working in the state prison.
01:26:45.380Because in the state hospital, I couldn't experiment much because if they told the psychiatrist I was threatened, I had to keep a real low profile.
01:26:53.800Now, in the prison, I had a group of prisoners around me all the time who would tell me in real time what the voices were saying.
01:27:00.440So I could try all kinds of stuff with them.
01:37:18.720And finally, maybe a few years later, my co-author for the book, you know, I'd known her for 10 years before I started telling her one day about a patient I was working with.
01:37:32.020And she goes, oh, I know all about that.
01:37:34.960I heard voices when I was a young woman.
01:38:44.100I mean, I'm obviously younger and way less educated than you.
01:38:47.180But I feel like all that craziness that you felt is going to be obviously is going to be fully redeemed, if not already in your eyes.
01:38:56.340As we get to the times of like, you know, things will be as they were in the days of Noah, this sort of stuff that we're quickly coming upon this time where people are.
01:39:05.140I feel like people are waking up and also realizing this from your point of view.
01:39:11.980They're seeing what you saw 20, 30 years ago.
01:39:15.020And unfortunately, it wasn't your time back then.
01:39:17.560But I feel like, unfortunately, it might be our time.
01:39:24.800I feel like I could talk to you for another five hours.
01:39:26.880But what a fascinating subject and like what you're doing to kind of enlighten the people listening and just anyone who can hear what you're saying of what is going on today and how how much has proliferated and where we're headed and perhaps a way to to to battle it.
01:39:45.060You know, I think that's the most important thing.
01:39:47.480Well, people can go to my website at JerryMarzynski.com, then go to articles.
01:39:52.480There's things that they can do themselves there.
01:39:58.520I mean, psychiatry should be replaced by this MACE energy method.
01:40:02.640I mean, it actually works and it works quickly and it actually solves and gets rid of psychological problems.
01:40:09.480Again, there's the website is www.maceenergymethod.com backslash about backslash.
01:40:18.500There's MACE therapists there, including myself.
01:40:21.220This will be I'm going to if you could send me the links, I think you might have already.
01:40:25.820I'm going to put this in the in the description to all the videos so people can just go and click because I know people are lazy typing stuff in.
01:40:38.720OK, guys, thanks for thanks for having me on.
01:40:41.940Maybe someday in the future we can we'll go through those transcripts so you can actually see what these conversations between what what the system considered criminally insane patients and myself looked like.