Nephilim Death Squad - TIME CAPSULE： 038： Christian Orthodoxy w Jay Dyer

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00:00:30.000 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:00:40.100 News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:00:44.540 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:00:53.480 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely important.

00:00:59.660 Oh yeah, dude. 1.00

00:01:00.920 There's some Nephilim shit. 1.00

00:01:02.080 It's like we all know what's going down. 1.00

00:01:04.380 But no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave. 1.00

00:01:07.580 These motherfuckers they controlling this now. 1.00

00:01:09.600 And no one's talking about it. 1.00

00:01:11.000 And it's not a big slave.

00:01:12.720 And everybody's just walking around.

00:01:14.820 Heading to clouds.

00:01:15.500 I want to wake up to a dead in the grave.

00:01:17.940 But it's too late.

00:01:18.920 We need to be ready to raise up.

00:01:20.760 Welcome to the end of day.

00:01:22.500 Everybody is slave.

00:01:23.900 Only summer away.

00:01:25.740 Welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. 0.80

00:01:29.500 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:01:33.020 That's Top Lobster. 0.96

00:01:34.440 And joining us today is Jay Dyer.

00:01:38.060 For the third episode today, we're bringing it.

00:01:40.000 You guys don't deserve it.

00:01:41.120 But we showed up today with Jay Dyer.

00:01:43.200 Jay, can you tell the people a little bit about what it is you do and where they can find you?

00:01:48.740 Yeah, you can find me on my website, jaysanalysis.com.

00:01:52.640 You can find me on all the other platforms under my name.

00:01:55.460 What I do is cover a lot of topics and everything from geopolitics to film analysis to symbology to apologetics.

00:02:04.520 We do a lot of debates with Muslims, with atheists, with weird sects and groups.

00:02:10.460 And I've written four books.

00:02:13.340 Those are available at my website.

00:02:15.340 Two of them are on Hollywood and then two of them are on philosophy of religion.

00:02:19.840 And then I host the fourth hour of He Who Shall Not Be Named every Friday on his platform. 0.99

00:02:26.820 It was Alex Jones, which we don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:02:31.700 Take the channel down. 0.98

00:02:32.900 Do what you got to do, YouTube.

00:02:34.260 But we're saying names.

00:02:35.740 We're taking numbers.

00:02:36.760 Yeah, dude, I've been a fan of yours for quite a while.

00:02:40.680 I don't even know where I heard you first.

00:02:42.140 Possibly Timple Hat years ago. 0.92

00:02:43.700 But one of the names that, you know, right away that comes up and you're like, oh, shit, Jay Dyer said that, like where I'm on it.

00:02:52.560 So you've had a big influence in the in, I guess, like the conspiratorial movement of my life or at least the growing, the development of the ideas that I that I've had coming to this point.

00:03:03.380 Because, you know, I was I'm friends with Clint, like we were talking about before.

00:03:06.540 So I was very into politics, geopolitics, economics, libertarian theory, stuff like that.

00:03:11.260 And then that lead that led me down the rabbit hole, which kind of fed right back into my faith, the church that I had left.

00:03:20.060 And now I'm in the process of rediscovering it.

00:03:23.340 But with a with different with a different lens.

00:03:26.060 Right.

00:03:26.780 Whereas before I would I would have told you, I think the Bible is a set of stories that we should live by.

00:03:31.160 Not really important, but analogies, you know, things like that.

00:03:34.960 Now I'm rereading and I'm like, all this stuff is true.

00:03:38.940 And I invited you on because I wanted to know more about the the type of Christianity that you speak about mostly, because it seems like one of the purest forms.

00:03:51.880 It seems like people like like Buck Johnson, who I've who I've been friends with and I've interviewed, he went from atheist to orthodox and the change in his personality.

00:04:04.220 Yeah, the change in his personality has been like startling.

00:04:09.800 So I'm like, what is going on with this specific type of Christianity?

00:04:15.820 Did you know you knew him before back when he was atheist?

00:04:19.300 You knew him?

00:04:19.800 Yeah.

00:04:20.120 Yeah.

00:04:20.380 Our libertarian days were out there 2018, 2017 doing retarded libertarian stuff. 0.94

00:04:25.820 And then, you know, COVID goes down and everybody's like, wait a second, there's a God I got to I got to dig deeper.

00:04:33.020 And he was one of the people.

00:04:34.180 And he went I went kind of full blown conspiracy.

00:04:37.280 He went the orthodox route.

00:04:39.240 And it's kind of funny how we met right back here anyway.

00:04:43.000 It leads to the same spot.

00:04:44.160 So I'm like a lot of questions in my brain popping up with this.

00:04:47.820 And, you know, Alex Jones even asked about it today.

00:04:50.120 So good, good day, better than ever to discuss it.

00:04:53.560 Yeah.

00:04:53.760 And Jay, just so you know where where I'm coming from, it's like I've I don't want to say conceited because I never denied that the world was most accurately viewed through a biblical lens.

00:05:05.540 But I came to this understanding after years of absorbing conspiracy and supernatural sort of more of a supernatural worldview.

00:05:20.500 And so I don't think you can have that be your basis of understanding the world and not consider strongly that the Bible is an accurate representation of what's happening.

00:05:32.080 But it wasn't something that I jumped into because I'm sure I don't have to tell you.

00:05:36.480 But for a long time, the most easily dunked on religion was Christianity and not easily.

00:05:43.940 Maybe that's not the word.

00:05:44.880 But most readily dunked on religion was Christianity.

00:05:48.520 It seemed to be the one that it was no holds bars.

00:05:51.080 You can get on stage and say whatever you want about Jesus, about the church, about the Bible.

00:05:55.740 And so I wasn't eager, let's say, to jump into that and start to adopt those worldviews.

00:06:03.940 But after a certain amount of time and in my own personal experiences, it's been 17 years now that I've been what I could call a conspiracy theorist.

00:06:14.320 And only the past maybe four years did I come around to understanding that, yes, the world is most accurately viewed through a biblical lens.

00:06:27.340 And so when you try to quantify that and how much I understand about Christianity in the Bible, it's actually very little.

00:06:35.000 I just know that based off of my experiences and things that I've seen, I'm like, OK, this is true.

00:06:41.800 It's the best lens through which to look at these things.

00:06:44.420 So this show, along with the audience, has been like a learning experience.

00:06:50.100 I've been learning alongside them.

00:06:51.980 So when Top talks about the Buck Johnson interview, that was the most, not the most technical,

00:06:57.580 because we've had people on like Gary Wayne and L.A. Marzulli and a bunch of these characters in this space who see a lot of the supernatural through the biblical lens.

00:07:09.300 But I'm hoping that this will serve as, you know, not too technical, right, because you don't want to be I don't want to give the audience anything too dry.

00:07:17.800 We're kind of retards on this show and we like to give people exciting, retarded content. 0.92

00:07:23.240 But I am also excited to learn about the thing that I've come to understand is the the proper viewing.

00:07:28.900 I do. I do a lot of boring, retarded content, but I can also do exciting, retarded content, too. 0.99

00:07:33.560 So there's a there's an overlap.

00:07:34.980 There's a Venn diagram of two levels of retarded and that we can we can hit the middle there. 1.00

00:07:40.180 So but yeah, no, I mean, I think you're right that in the last, you know, since the coup,

00:07:46.280 you've it seems like a lot of people actually maybe before that you could go back to remember when Bruce Gender was propped up as the woman of the year.

00:07:56.360 I think a lot of people started thinking, wait a minute, like there's a big scale push, not just for like.

00:08:05.220 But like actual evil, like there's actual evil going on.

00:08:08.460 And then I think when a lot of people started seeing the DRAG stuff with kids at libraries, you know,

00:08:14.920 then people started thinking, wait a minute, there's actually like a legit spiritual evil that's more than just, you know,

00:08:21.680 the government trying to control us, which that's true.

00:08:24.940 But a lot of people, I think, were thinking that if there's this much evil that we can start to see out there,

00:08:31.280 there's got to be a good, you know, to the contrast with evil.

00:08:34.620 So I think that opened up a lot of people's ideas to the possibility of, you know, like you said, spiritual realities,

00:08:41.480 but also maybe even the existence of God for people that, you know, hadn't considered that or had been going through an atheist agnostic phase.

00:08:49.880 I kind of had a, I guess you could say a doubting Christianity phase, maybe from about 2008 to 2012.

00:08:57.860 And I was kind of interested in perennialism and Neoplatonism and that kind of stuff.

00:09:03.260 And then I started, you know, kind of gradually working my way back just through getting back into reading the Bible about 2013, 14.

00:09:10.980 So, yeah, I think this is happening to a lot of people because we're just noticing like objective evil.

00:09:16.260 And the best account for this, the best explanation is, like you said, the worldview that's presented in the Bible.

00:09:23.280 So that's what I think is going on.

00:09:25.080 And then, you know, as to what Orthodox Christianity is, we think it's really just the ancient expression of Christianity that you see in the first thousand years.

00:09:34.980 So we would reject a lot of the conspiratorial accounts that you see amongst evangelicals or Seventh-day Adventists or even Muslims where they say,

00:09:44.280 oh, well, Constantine created this Christianity, you know, at the Council of Nicaea where they invented the Trinity or something like that.

00:09:51.480 But we do a lot of what we've done several about a lot, but we've done several talks where we go into looking at the church fathers of the first, second and third century where it shows that they taught the Trinity, too.

00:10:02.220 So what happened at the Council of Nicaea wasn't something new, wasn't invented, wasn't a contrast or a contradiction to the Christianity of the first three centuries.

00:10:11.120 And so if we look at the, you know, other issues like the formation of what's called the canon of Scripture, and that just means the books that went into the Bible to make it up as we know it today.

00:10:23.440 And we would argue that you can't really divorce the living, existing historical community of the church from that decision.

00:10:31.860 And when we go back and when we look at what those people believed in those centuries, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, particularly, they believe what we believe.

00:10:40.160 So that for me was a really long journey. It took me many, many years to come to this.

00:10:44.580 I started out as a Baptist and then had a long period where I was a Roman Catholic, and then I noticed a lot of problems with the Vatican's claims and the history of the church as well.

00:10:56.240 So that was a long, maybe 15-year approach for me to come to Orthodoxy.

00:11:01.360 But in short, yeah, we just think that it is the church of the first thousand years, and I'm not limiting it there.

00:11:07.520 We think it's the church of the second thousand years.

00:11:09.180 But if you get into this issue of, say, Protestant versus Catholic, a lot of people think, well, if I go read those people for the first thousand years, that'll help me determine where the Bible came from.

00:11:21.440 And should we have tradition? Should we have a pope? Should we have synods and councils?

00:11:26.980 What's the best way for the church to be governed?

00:11:28.620 All these questions kind of emerge out of the first thousand years of Christianity.

00:11:32.320 And so for me, when I went and dove into those guys, it was pretty obvious after a while that they didn't believe in the papacy, as we know of it today.

00:11:41.480 And they weren't operating like a standard evangelical church, but they were, for all intents and purposes, identical to the Orthodox church.

00:11:49.680 That's what we would say it is, is the historical church.

00:11:51.920 Yeah, we, on the show, like, it's not that we, like, tear down church.

00:11:56.900 I don't want to say that we do that, but we talk about this idea of, like, what is church?

00:12:03.240 And, like, we're still not really sure.

00:12:06.080 Like, we think, like, a community, obviously a community of people is kind of like a church, just where one or more are gathered in my name.

00:12:12.320 In a way, we're doing that with, you know, the people that watch this, but it's not, it's not quite church.

00:12:18.180 And one of the things that drew me away from church, I was in it for a long time, Pentecostal, was the governmental organizational structure of the church.

00:12:27.000 You have the treasury department, you've got a president, you've got, like, layers of this bureaucracy.

00:12:32.340 And when you, I played music in it, when you're in it, it's disgusting. 1.00

00:12:36.740 Because you kind of, like, take a peek underneath and you're like, this shit is all rotted. 1.00

00:12:39.560 You have, like, fat bitchy women running everything in the Pentecostal church. 1.00

00:12:43.860 Yeah, it's exactly that. 0.99

00:12:47.060 Yeah, and it's not, I assume it's not supposed to be that.

00:12:50.700 What's the, what's the orthodox? 0.99

00:12:52.200 No, Jesus said in Matthew, I appoint in every church one fat bitchy Pentecostal woman. 1.00

00:12:57.980 You haven't read that? 0.99

00:12:59.180 Is that in the red?

00:13:00.300 That's in the Schofield version?

00:13:01.160 It's not only in the red, correct.

00:13:03.580 Yeah, I think church governance is a good point.

00:13:06.180 It's kind of a boring topic when people think about church governance.

00:13:09.300 But, you know, we would say that all the stuff that you see in the Old Testament and the way Israel operated, we see them as the Old Testament church.

00:13:18.080 So they had the role of a high priest.

00:13:20.580 They had the priest and they had the Levite.

00:13:24.220 And for us, that corresponds to the New Testament teaching of bishop, presbyter or priest, and then a deacon.

00:13:30.780 So there's that three tiered structure is the same in the Old Testament to the New Testament.

00:13:34.760 Of course, Christ is the ultimate high priest for us, not the Pope or anything like that.

00:13:38.640 So the ultimate high priest role, we think, is fulfilled in the person of Christ when he ascended into heaven.

00:13:43.340 But then there is still, in our view, what we would say is the Melchizedekian priesthood, which if you look at Psalm 110, right, it says that I will make you a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. 0.76

00:13:54.500 So Christ's priesthood is that eternal priesthood.

00:13:57.820 And both the person of Melchizedek in Genesis and the Levitical priesthood or the Aaronic priesthood, we would say both of those priesthoods in history are types or fulfillments of the priesthood.

00:14:08.640 So that Christ brings.

00:14:09.780 And so when he establishes the new Israel, we think in the Gospels, when Jesus is talking about the kingdom in Matthew 16 and Matthew 18, and when he tells the apostles, you know, I'll give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:14:21.640 He doesn't just say it to Peter in Matthew 16 like the Roman Catholics think. 0.99

00:14:25.380 He also says in Matthew 18, two chapters later, that the whole college of the apostles possesses the same keys and authority.

00:14:33.180 But he also says in Matthew, he who hears you, hears me.

00:14:36.480 So we think that there's a legitimate authority passed on to them.

00:14:39.760 He breathes on them at the end of John and says, whoever sins, you remit, they're remitted.

00:14:44.180 Whoever sins, you retain, they're retained.

00:14:45.920 And then in the book of Acts, you see them going out after Pentecost, after they're empowered by the Holy Spirit.

00:14:51.920 They go out and set up churches and particularly the letters of Paul to Timothy are probably the most relevant here because Paul says to Timothy, I appointed you in Ephesus.

00:15:03.140 And then he says, you lay hands on men after you who are, you know, qualified, have good morals, et cetera, good character, who know the faith.

00:15:10.540 And he says that all the things you heard from me in the presence of many witnesses.

00:15:14.400 So that includes Paul's oral catechesis or teaching.

00:15:18.160 So if you look at Acts 20, for example, Paul says, I'm pretty sure it's 20, says that he taught for three years, day and night in Ephesus.

00:15:24.880 So he's teaching catechizing, not just with written texts.

00:15:28.320 Certainly he's commenting on the Old Testament.

00:15:30.120 But the whole body of doctrines, which is oral and written, is what Paul charges Timothy in those two epistles to pass on.

00:15:37.780 And he specifically says, and this is a key point of departure, I think, from pretty much most Protestants would be where Paul says that do not lay hands hastily on somebody because the gift of the Holy Spirit, he says, is transferred in that what we call the right of ordination.

00:15:53.080 So when a person is ordained, we believe it's an actual sort of historical descent from the original apostolic body.

00:16:01.960 And that for us is what we call apostolic succession.

00:16:04.820 And so when I was a Protestant, that kind of became a key dividing line between the Protestant view and on this, just that topic, Orthodox and Catholics agree in terms of apostolic succession.

00:16:16.200 They think, of course, that it's only through the Pope that this has had.

00:16:19.320 We think that it comes just from the individual apostles.

00:16:24.540 So anybody who descends from the apostles with that laying on of hands, and it's not just a mechanical thing.

00:16:30.460 You also have to have the right theology to go with it.

00:16:33.200 So that's a couple of areas of departure from like the Roman Catholic view of apostolic succession.

00:16:38.760 But that's the basic idea that the apostles appointed specific successors in the cities where they set up the churches.

00:16:46.480 What are the thoughts on the Pope?

00:16:52.400 Because coming at this from a place of conspiracy theory, the Vatican and the Pope is obviously rife with conspiracy.

00:17:03.360 And there is a lot of argument that the Vatican has almost been captured.

00:17:08.780 You know, you hear people say things like Rome didn't lose.

00:17:12.420 It just became or Rome didn't fall.

00:17:14.960 It just became the Vatican.

00:17:16.700 And you see the bizarre symbolism.

00:17:20.460 People point to the hat of the Pope being a representation of Dagon, the Philistine god Dagon.

00:17:26.880 And also the auditorium that he sits in oftentimes looks like a giant viper.

00:17:34.060 There is this backdrop to another one of his sort of speaking rooms where it's supposed to be Jesus rising from a nuclear explosion.

00:17:45.080 Yeah, it looks demonic.

00:17:46.060 It looks demonic.

00:17:46.940 Yeah.

00:17:47.080 And half of the head even looks like a serpent head.

00:17:49.300 So there's a lot of bizarre stuff makes the Vatican incredibly hard to trust.

00:17:54.600 I'd be very interested in knowing, like, well, where does the Orthodox Church then place the Pope?

00:18:00.320 And do they look to the Vatican?

00:18:02.240 Do they look to the Pope as a legitimate thing?

00:18:05.740 Or is this, you know, has this been co-opted in their eyes?

00:18:09.440 Yeah, we would say that the co-opting happened a long time ago.

00:18:13.820 So from the Orthodox perspective, the split between the Eastern Church and the Western Church, which for the most part, for the first 800 or 900 years, is the same.

00:18:22.940 They're squabbles.

00:18:23.860 But the East and West for the first 800 or 900 years is pretty much unified.

00:18:28.320 And then you start having some fissures around the 800s where there's a new insertion into the creed on the part of Charlemagne and his court theologians.

00:18:39.200 So it's a kind of a move by the state here, actually, to try to alter the church's theological confession and the creed.

00:18:47.680 And so they start saying what's known as the filioque addition to the creed, the Nicene Creed.

00:18:53.160 So this is where it starts to rupture.

00:18:55.040 There's already kind of two different ideas of theology between East and West.

00:18:59.280 But it really comes to fruition in 1054 when there's an official excommunicating of East and West between the Pope and the Patriarch of Constantinople in the East.

00:19:10.960 And so that's the official sort of split of the church.

00:19:13.620 Ever since then, we believe that the papacy kind of went just kind of even worse and worse and worse.

00:19:19.920 So for us, it's like a gradual innovating to where they wanted more and more worldly power.

00:19:25.220 A couple of things you could look at that's pretty easy to see this is there's a document called Dictatus Pape under one of the Gregorian reformed popes of the 11th century.

00:19:38.240 And this document is not very long, but it has, I don't know, 30 propositions where the pope basically makes himself.

00:19:46.000 I don't know if you guys know about Dune, but I mean, basically says he's the Kwisatz Haderach.

00:19:49.460 He basically says, I'm actually the emperor of all emperors.

00:19:52.680 So every emperor in the world now owes their allegiance to me.

00:19:56.580 I can call standing armies.

00:19:58.440 I can go to war.

00:20:00.000 I can call crusades.

00:20:01.200 All this kind of stuff.

00:20:02.060 So when I was younger, I came to understand that the pope had like this unbelievable level of authority over like the world.

00:20:08.640 And that is true. 0.97

00:20:09.620 That wasn't just some bullshit that I learned when I was a kid. 0.99

00:20:12.160 Right. So you start to see this with there's actually before this a fraudulent document that was appealed to called the Donation of Constantine. 0.94

00:20:21.980 And this was later in the Renaissance proven to be a forgery.

00:20:25.160 The Vatican nowadays admits it was a forgery.

00:20:27.820 But for many centuries, they backed up the what's called the temporal power of the Bishop of Rome by this forgery.

00:20:34.220 There was other forgeries that backed it up as well.

00:20:37.140 But we really see the first like explicit papal claims of this in the 11th century with what's called the Gregorian reforms.

00:20:46.620 And this is where Pope Gregory and then the popes after him, Hildebrand and others, they they literally just revolutionized the governance of the church in the West to be totally papal.

00:20:59.060 For example, prior to that, the church, the way a church would get a bishop in the canons of the councils of the first 800 years is that it only took like three bishops or a metropolitan, a local prominent bishop to appoint a new bishop.

00:21:12.760 But when you get the Gregorian reforms, the pope says, no, I now appoint and approve all bishops in the world.

00:21:20.120 And you can see why he would want to do that, because now he can ensure that every bishop in the world is now a papal bishop and in line with him, you see.

00:21:28.920 So and this is an admitted this isn't like a conspiracy like this is just an admitted historical change in the governance of the church.

00:21:35.280 But this is why you'll see Roman Catholics even to this day. 1.00

00:21:38.140 Well, they'll just say, well, the pope can do whatever he wants.

00:21:40.160 So he can do that. He can like totally change the way that bishops come to be because he could do that.

00:21:46.200 He's the pope. Then there's an even stronger statement beyond that document called Dictatus Pape called Unum Sanctum.

00:21:54.720 And this is 1308 or something.

00:21:57.800 Anyways, Pope Boniface VIII.

00:21:59.180 It's a famous document because it's the first document where the papacy says, not only do you have to be in the Roman Catholic Church to be saved,

00:22:07.500 you actually have to believe also in the doctrine of the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop to be saved.

00:22:13.780 So it kind of ups the ante even more.

00:22:16.480 So from the Orthodox perspective, we think that the temptation to worldly power, to, you know, having eventually the Vatican Bank, all this crazy stuff,

00:22:26.140 we think that it kind of began back a long time ago.

00:22:29.000 And then it just kind of snowballed to what you have today to fast forward up to where you were talking about with like the weird stuff with it's called the Paul VI Audience Hall.

00:22:38.220 There have been some weird Masonic and occultic architects who designed stuff for the Vatican in the modern, like 60s, 70s and 80s period.

00:22:48.880 So I wouldn't be surprised if that audience hall wasn't designed by some weirdo creep or some PEDO, because that's pretty well known.

00:22:57.200 But if you really go into the depth of like the conspiracy of the modern Vatican, that's all CIA stuff.

00:23:03.040 And even Catholic researchers have written giant books proving this, particularly David Wemhoff's book about the relationship of the CIA to the Vatican at the time of the Cold War, 1950s and 60s.

00:23:16.640 It's even it's called the Doctrinal Warfare Program.

00:23:19.220 And we even know who headed it up.

00:23:20.780 It was a guy named C.D. Jackson.

00:23:22.400 And he was working with Jesuits that the CIA kind of recruited to be assets.

00:23:27.460 It's incredible how they have their clothes and everything.

00:23:29.720 I wanted to backtrack for a second.

00:23:31.220 So in those first thousand years during that break off, was there any physical confrontations?

00:23:39.080 Because it doesn't just seem like you can break a religion into two without there being some like wars fought over this. 1.00

00:23:45.980 And I'm as we said up front, we're idiots. 0.99

00:23:48.600 So like there had there had to have been something. 0.99

00:23:51.640 This doesn't just doesn't just happen peacefully.

00:23:55.620 That's a good question.

00:23:56.560 I think. So even by the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh century, you start to see the Bishop of Rome, who we would say is is a legitimate bishop.

00:24:07.960 Like he was the Church of Rome originally began just like all the other what we would say is Orthodox churches.

00:24:14.960 But what happened was because Rome was the seat of the empire in the first 300 years of Christianity before you get the creation of Constantinople by Constantine.

00:24:25.280 I mean, what's called old Rome had a preeminence and they had a preeminence not because of some special gift of Peter or invalibility.

00:24:34.060 That's the Roman Catholic belief.

00:24:35.520 But we believe it's just because, as like St. Irenaeus says in his book Against Heresies, if you read, I think it's book four of that.

00:24:42.580 He says that Rome is great because Peter and Paul preached and were martyred there.

00:24:50.800 So there's nothing mentioned about like a special gift of infallibility or anything like that.

00:24:57.360 But there is an honor that's given to Rome just because of tradition.

00:25:01.300 If you look at what's what's called a canon of Nicaea.

00:25:04.520 And so the first ecumenical council, they would usually attach these canons, which are just rules of church governance.

00:25:10.640 The sixth canon says that in the church will have a kind of a status of which bishops have honor.

00:25:18.300 And Rome is given the first status and then Alexandria and then Antioch.

00:25:24.840 Antioch is another place where Peter went and preached Christianity.

00:25:29.200 And if you go to an Orthodox church, for example, a lot of them are called Antiochian Orthodox.

00:25:33.080 They derive their descent from Peter going to Antioch.

00:25:37.380 So, in other words, the point Orthodox often make there is that like that's just as much a Petrine church as Rome is.

00:25:44.900 It's so there's no like why wouldn't you know, if you believe in infallibility of the Petrine descent, like why wouldn't there be that infallibility at Antioch?

00:25:51.860 It doesn't make any sense.

00:25:52.680 It's a Roman Catholic.

00:25:53.340 So we say, well, Rome is just special because Peter and Paul died there.

00:25:57.380 But there's nothing about that that tells you that it's like an infallibility that's given to that church.

00:26:02.280 And if you read Paul's letter to the Romans, he says in Romans 11, he warns them that they could be grafted out.

00:26:07.860 Now, that doesn't fit with the Roman Catholic idea of, you know, indefectibility and the perpetuity of the Roman church.

00:26:15.820 So basically what was originally a position of honor, we think it just kind of evolved and grew into these outlandish claims.

00:26:23.980 But I can't think off the top of my head of like any physical conflict up until Rome, actually, eventually the West sacks Byzantium. 0.87

00:26:35.520 So when Byzantium gets sacked in one of the Crusades, they just destroy it.

00:26:39.280 They don't even recognize the Christianity that's there as legitimate Christianity.

00:26:43.580 I think it's weird that the priests have beards and stuff.

00:26:45.660 It's like, well, this is what this is what all the church did prior to the prior to the second of Constantinople.

00:26:50.980 So, you know, so it was just kind of like they just went totally separate ways.

00:26:57.480 And the Roman Catholic Church really became a totally different worldly power. 0.75

00:27:02.660 I mean, have you heard about like the Borgias or the Medici Popes?

00:27:06.960 You know, they're very, very, very famous for like building giant whorehouses and palaces and, you know, this kind of stuff. 0.99

00:27:13.260 And it's just kind of like that illustrates, I think, the divorce between the two sides.

00:27:17.280 But aside from the second of Constantinople, I can't think of a war that occurred, but I could just not be aware of it.

00:27:25.020 Where do you or where does the the Orthodox Church place the extra canonical texts in the sense of?

00:27:33.200 I was I was going to ask that.

00:27:35.140 Yeah. Are they something that they consider or are they do they consider them like a deception or, you know, where do they place those?

00:27:42.700 So there's a different types of these. There's what's called Pseudepagrapha.

00:27:47.420 There's some that are called Apocrypha. And then there's the Deuterocanon.

00:27:51.240 So you might you're probably referring to what's called the Deuterocanon, which is like Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Ecclesiasticus or Sirach.

00:27:59.120 We believe the Apocrypha mostly.

00:28:01.720 But yeah, we believe. Well, we believe that the Deuterocanon, which is those like Maccabees and those books that the Catholics have. 0.98

00:28:08.620 We have those books as well. So we don't agree with the sort of the first being like Martin Luther and Calvin were the first to really say we don't want those books in here.

00:28:18.840 So sometimes Protestants call those the Apocrypha. So I'm assuming that's what you mean.

00:28:22.740 But there's also other books that are called Pseudepagrapha, like the Book of Enoch or something like that, which there's a few.

00:28:30.680 I think the Slavonic, which is like the old Russian Bible, I think it includes the Book of Enoch.

00:28:37.240 So because we don't believe in Sola Scriptura, like we don't have a problem with there being legitimate tradition in something like the Book of Enoch,

00:28:45.200 even though it's not technically like it's not it's not in the Orthodox Study Bible.

00:28:49.680 Like if you get the Orthodox Study Bible, it won't have it.

00:28:51.360 It won't have Enoch in it, but we will have all those books that the Catholics have that Protestants don't. 1.00

00:28:55.680 Any thoughts on the Book of Enoch?

00:28:59.600 I think that it has legitimate tradition.

00:29:02.320 I mean, it's cited in the Book of Jude, so I don't see any problem with saying that, you know, there's legitimate tradition that's there.

00:29:09.200 That's divine revelation.

00:29:10.840 So, yeah, I mean, the Orthodox view like divine revelation isn't restricted just to written Bible texts.

00:29:16.860 We believe that there's oral tradition that comes from the apostles.

00:29:21.240 There's that's capital T tradition.

00:29:23.580 There's lower T tradition, like the way that, you know, the vestments are done in the church and that kind of stuff.

00:29:31.120 So, like you mentioned, the Pope's hat.

00:29:33.660 We don't think that comes from Dagon.

00:29:35.840 The origin of like vestments in the church has to do with the Book of Revelation and that we we see the priests as analogs to the priests in the Old Testament.

00:29:47.020 So it's more like, you know, the outfit that the priest wears matches the type of outfit that you would see the priests in the Old Testament wearing.

00:29:56.320 So we talked about it at the top of the show where Alex Jones is now talking about his admiration of orthodoxy.

00:30:09.020 And we're in this time, you know, whether it was COVID or something like that that woke people up or we talked about it earlier, this drag queen story hour, all these different things sort of built up and broke the dam.

00:30:25.160 But now it becomes impossible to look around and go.

00:30:28.820 You know, this isn't inherently spiritual and we find ourselves in a really interesting place.

00:30:35.360 I ask people if they think that we are in the beginning of maybe what you you would call a revitalization, you know, because as I said, my path here was through all these world events, was through seeing all this occult symbolism and conspiracy theories and all these different things.

00:30:55.640 I'm not unique in that. I think a lot of people have have come through in that direction.

00:31:01.120 And if that's true, then are we possibly seeing a resurgence in Christianity?

00:31:07.440 And right now, Top and I were just talking about it maybe last week where the emergence of a new what would you call this top like they're going to label it like white supremacy or anti-Semitism or any number of things.

00:31:24.220 Right. But like the phrase Christ is king is now becoming this this like hot button topic, which is fascinating because.

00:31:34.720 Yeah, I understand kind of like both sides of it.

00:31:37.400 There's a James Lindsay side where he's saying you're weaponizing it.

00:31:40.380 And then there's another side that's saying like, you know, like you're actually glorifying Jesus.

00:31:44.960 I'm in between. I think I think people are doing all those things, but I feel like it's a it's a necessary thing that has to happen in order for the next whatever next steps to play out.

00:31:55.880 So people will misuse this stuff and they'll use it as a battering ram.

00:31:59.960 But the fact that it's in the meme, it's out there in the ether and people are like thinking about this phrase a lot, says a lot about the times that we're in it.

00:32:09.920 And Jay, I know you had a different take than we would have on the the red heifers and things like that.

00:32:16.040 And like these weird what what possibly seems like a biblical prophecy unfolding could be obviously translated in multiple different ways.

00:32:25.700 But it just I can't help but feel that we're at a culmination and we're building up to something.

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00:33:26.180 Now, part of me, part of me is saying like, oh, it looks like ends time and time.

00:33:30.960 But people have said that forever.

00:33:32.800 The other part of me is saying like, no, this is building up to I mean, we're witnessing the collapse of an empire.

00:33:40.020 And maybe it's that or maybe we're building up to something else.

00:33:44.160 What are your thoughts on that?

00:33:47.080 Yeah, a lot of questions there.

00:33:48.380 A lot of issues, I think, in my view, the orthodox view on the end times is that we take some of those passages that are talked about, like in Luke 21 and Matthew 24 and what's called a partial preterist sense.

00:34:03.640 And that means that the immediate context is Jesus talking about the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D.

00:34:10.100 And that's a the sign that's supposed to occur that lets everyone know that the old covenant is finished.

00:34:16.340 So when the temple's gone, if you read Luke 21, because it's written for a Gentile audience, it's a little clearer than what is in Matthew 24, all of that discourse. 0.57

00:34:25.940 And Jesus says to the immediate audience standing in front of him, you hear when you see this temple gone, then you'll know that the things written of in the prophets, that that vengeance has been completed, has been fulfilled on this generation.

00:34:40.020 So that's what we call partial preterism.

00:34:42.740 It doesn't mean everything was fulfilled in 70 A.D.

00:34:45.480 Like the bodily second coming of Christ didn't occur.

00:34:48.840 The resurrection didn't occur.

00:34:50.660 But there were key elements of that destruction of the temple, which foreshadowed the destruction and ending of the entire universe.

00:34:58.620 The temple is a little model of the entire universe.

00:35:01.920 It's God's house.

00:35:03.100 And, for example, if you look at the way that on the Day of Atonement, the high priest would walk into the Holy of Holies and sprinkle the blood on the mercy seat of the ark.

00:35:12.920 If you read the book of Hebrews in chapters seven and eight, Hebrews states that Jesus ascending into heaven, the third heavens, the throne of God, and preparing the way for us in that ascent.

00:35:24.460 That was the fulfillment of the high priest going into the Holy of Holies.

00:35:27.880 So that tells us that the temple is kind of a little model of the universe.

00:35:33.220 When you walk into the temple, for example, there would be a lampstand with the candelabra, and that represented the celestial luminaries, the planets.

00:35:43.440 So it's a space, right?

00:35:45.320 It's not just sacred space on Earth.

00:35:47.720 It represents the entire universe, which is God's tabernacle.

00:35:51.860 In the same way, Christ's body is a tabernacle for God among us, too.

00:35:55.660 So it's not one or the other.

00:35:58.000 It's both.

00:35:58.820 Long story short, the destruction of the temple is a sign not just of the end of the old covenant under Moses, but it's a sign of the end of the universe.

00:36:09.580 So we don't know when that would be.

00:36:12.760 There is a great book on Antichrist and the end.

00:36:18.440 It's written by a bunch of Orthodox monks.

00:36:20.740 It doesn't have an author.

00:36:22.000 It comes from, I think, Jordanville Monastery.

00:36:24.100 But that's a great book on this topic because it does mention certain signs that would accompany the end end, the final end.

00:36:31.600 And if there is a new temple built, that would be a sign of the coming of Antichrist, according to the Orthodox Church.

00:36:39.320 So while I did do some interviews where I was discussing the red heifer, that I don't think there's any immediate significance to that per se.

00:36:47.800 If we start to say, if we start to see a temple built, if we start to, I mean, they'd have to get rid of that mosque first. 1.00

00:36:54.300 If we see, you know, the movement towards a world dictator that's being worshipped and the one world religion, we see that spirit already at work in the world.

00:37:04.640 But I think that, you know, when we actually see it manifested, we'll know that that's like the legit end end.

00:37:11.960 So could we could have another thousand years of history?

00:37:15.180 I don't know.

00:37:15.800 But it's also possible that we could be entering that time either either way is it's either thing is possible.

00:37:22.500 And we could also be, like you said, kind of experiencing or seeing the beginnings of an actual revival.

00:37:27.560 Yeah, it's either a revival or, well, definitely a collapse.

00:37:32.100 But, man, it does feel like we have some of these characters kind of put into place where I'm a big fan of the Donnie Darkened.

00:37:38.580 I don't know if you're familiar with him on Twitter.

00:37:40.640 His theories on Donald Trump and Donald Trump fulfilling that sort of role of the Antichrist that steps in.

00:37:48.260 He already has all that juice with Israel.

00:37:50.100 They have his face on a freaking coin that lets you into the temple when whenever they decide to erect it.

00:37:55.300 What's the writing on the on the coin top? 0.86

00:37:58.920 It's there's it's the king of peace is what it says on the coin.

00:38:03.040 It says the king of peace.

00:38:04.140 And if I'm not mistaken, there is some sort of contention right now.

00:38:09.600 They're waiting for the results to figure out if, genetically speaking, Donald Trump is of the lineage of the biblical King David.

00:38:17.100 This is something that they're taking very seriously.

00:38:19.600 It's like you can find articles on it.

00:38:21.740 They're just kind of tucked away.

00:38:22.840 And it's like, yeah, they're they're waiting for those results.

00:38:26.060 So Donnie Darkened is somebody that, Jay, you would probably find fascinating because he spends a lot of time connecting these dots as to why.

00:38:38.880 Like even even Donald Trump's mother's maiden name was Christ.

00:38:42.240 There's a lot of like really bizarre things that I don't know how much you get into it.

00:38:46.920 But the idea that there is some sort of time traveling aspect with Donald Trump, if you look at the Ingersoll Lockwood books, if you look.

00:38:54.100 I do have that book.

00:38:55.100 I do have that book.

00:38:55.960 Yeah, it's top has it, too, right?

00:38:57.940 Yeah.

00:38:58.200 Yeah.

00:38:58.340 I mean, that's that's fun stuff.

00:39:00.140 That's fun stuff.

00:39:01.320 That's fun stuff.

00:39:01.960 But then some of the other things around him, I'm just kind of like this is getting a little too like uncomfortable.

00:39:07.840 Yeah.

00:39:07.960 I mean, in my opinion, and I'm familiar with I did hear I'd not heard of that dude until the other day.

00:39:12.500 I heard him asking David Icke some pretty good questions about, you know, David Icke pushing the new agey stuff.

00:39:17.740 So that was an interesting clip.

00:39:19.700 I would agree with the critique that he made of David Icke's worldview.

00:39:24.000 Otherwise, I was not familiar with that guy.

00:39:26.140 But, yeah, I wouldn't think that Trump has any direct necessary connection to Antichrist.

00:39:34.000 However, I do believe that the tendency that we see in evangelicalism towards millennialist Zionism is the spirit of Antichrist. 0.79

00:39:44.700 Absolutely.

00:39:45.800 So that's all just I mean, the book of Hebrews, the book of Galatians is pretty clear that there's not ever going to be animal sacrifices again.

00:39:56.500 And if there are, it has nothing to do with Christianity.

00:39:59.480 I mean, that's a return to what Hebrews says is apostasy.

00:40:02.900 So I definitely think that you're on the right track that for the Jews to be deceived by an Antichrist figure, as Jesus says, if another comes in his name, him, you will believe. 0.98

00:40:12.880 So the Orthodox Church has typically said that Antichrist would have to most likely be a Jew to deceive Jews.

00:40:20.920 So I think that that's the case.

00:40:24.200 Personally, I wouldn't think that it would be Donald Trump.

00:40:26.640 But you could argue that the spirit of what we see with goobers like John Hagee and these kind of people is definitely an Antichrist spirit for sure. 0.99

00:40:36.220 What do you what do you make of like what's been going?

00:40:39.740 I mean, it's it's it's fun to talk about on Twitter.

00:40:41.980 I know I don't know if you see the stuff.

00:40:43.320 I say wild stuff about like, you know, the Jewish question going on on Twitter, but paying attention to it more in a more focused manner is really what people should be doing. 0.92

00:40:53.920 If you're like red flags aren't going up with what they've been doing on that side there.

00:40:59.820 And like the behavior of of some of their more prominent rabbis, like a shmuley, these things are I'm like, what is going on in this religion?

00:41:08.040 And why right now is it turning almost to to embrace this?

00:41:13.800 Like whatever it almost feels like they're embracing an endgame or something they've been building toward.

00:41:17.780 Am I am I off on that?

00:41:19.040 I mean, that's I'm sure that in their perspective, you know, they have this idea that you can do these various works and some of the more mystical views, like even the evil works contribute to the great work of bringing forth, you know, the Messiah.

00:41:35.640 But so that seems to be part of the Talmudic and rabbinic rabbinic tradition that all of these works are contributing to manifesting this salvation.

00:41:44.720 But it's sort of like identical to what's going on in the New Testament when you have the figures of the zealots and a couple of the zealots, right, became followers of Christ.

00:41:54.080 And their idea was that it's all about worldly power, right?

00:41:57.640 It's almost analogous to what we were talking about earlier with the temptation to the papacy, right?

00:42:03.000 The Roman bishop got tempted with this, this desire for building an army and taking over the world and being the, you know, god emperor, the Kwisat Tadarach.

00:42:12.220 And it's a similar temptation, I think, happens with what we're talking about.

00:42:17.460 In my view, the Israel, as we call it, this nation state will play a role whenever that end times comes of being perhaps this, this domain from which this false religion for the world comes about. 0.99

00:42:33.000 Maybe, and I'm just speculating, this is my speculation, maybe we get like a future papacy that says, you know, Judaism is the real religion all along and we need to capitulate to that or something like that. 0.92

00:42:46.540 So I would, in my view, Antichrist would be a figure, a state figure arising.

00:42:52.680 An apostate church would be analog to something like Rome that we see in the book of Revelation, the harlot of Revelation.

00:43:00.380 I would say it could be a good match for something like that. 0.94

00:43:03.240 And then, you know, it pushes the, the, the false church, the whore church pushes the worship of the beast, this, the state, this international super state. 0.95

00:43:12.860 And then eventually the international super state casts off and doesn't need the whore anymore and basically says, you know, I'm God, whoever that entity or Antichrist figure is. 0.96

00:43:23.240 So I think that's a, and that's kind of been my theory for a long time for like an apostate false religion. 0.97

00:43:29.760 And I think the Pope fits that perfectly given that he's just capitulated more and more to, I don't know if you know about the relationship between like the papacy and, and Israel.

00:43:38.580 I mean, the papacy is more and more capitulated to basically worshiping the old Testament God or like the papacy has even said stuff like, you know, Jews can be saved without, they don't need Jesus.

00:43:52.440 Like they have their own path and covenant to God, which is, is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

00:43:57.220 So anyway, I'm kind of, I'm rambling.

00:44:01.140 No, no, no, that's perfect.

00:44:02.580 Cause, cause as you go into like a couple of thoughts, what are your thoughts on the star of Remfan and, and that, that part of the scripture?

00:44:10.040 It does seem like that star probably is a six sided star.

00:44:13.940 I don't know if, if for sure that the reason that Jews adopted that star necessarily has to do with ancient Remfan worship.

00:44:24.800 It could be, I'm not, I'm not positive, but I do think that the star of Remfan is supposed to be that six sided star.

00:44:32.160 It's supposed to signify like Saturn and you know, the worship of like human, it has human sacrifice as part of its ideology.

00:44:40.180 So there's probably something to that, but I just don't know if it's really been confirmed.

00:44:44.600 If the modern nation state of Israel has that star, because I know some people theorize that the Sabatian cult that exists, that they had a reverence for that star, or there was a kind of a Kabbalistic reverence for that symbol.

00:44:58.920 Any of those things are possible.

00:45:00.260 I'm not sure it's a fascinating line because it even mentions, not only does it represent Remfan, but also of Moloch they're mentioned in the same sentence.

00:45:13.260 And that's just, it's just bizarre because, you know, a lot of what we're talking about here is all these things coming to a head, a sort of a culmination of bizarre biblical events and high level noticing, right?

00:45:24.400 Everybody can't stop noticing the spirituality and, and the backdrop has been painted with Moloch since, you know, Epstein's Island and the Hillary Clinton emails and all these different things.

00:45:36.580 And now as we're moving forward and, and, you know, top says that there's like this big Jew question on Twitter constantly.

00:45:45.600 And you find this reference to the star of Remfan directly next to a reference of Moloch.

00:45:52.640 And the language is such that it's a little bit hardy because it says it's of Remfan, but not of Moloch, something, there's a different.

00:46:03.240 You've taken up the tabernacle of Moloch.

00:46:05.580 There you go.

00:46:07.300 And so, but, you know, that's when, if you're a conspiracy theorist, all the bells are going off.

00:46:13.400 You're looking at that and you're going, well, what the hell is going on?

00:46:16.540 These two things.

00:46:17.220 And then, you know, people will break down, well, it's a six pointed star and it's got six triangles that make up the points.

00:46:25.320 And it's got a hexagram in the center, which is a six sided, you know, geometrical shape.

00:46:32.260 And that's the same thing that's on Saturn's North Pole, you know?

00:46:36.840 And so Remfan and Saturn and Moloch and all these things are somehow intrinsically connected.

00:46:42.220 And when you go to try to dispel that, it seems really hard to find any mention that that symbol represents David.

00:46:53.240 That's what's interesting.

00:46:54.480 It's hard to find that reference.

00:46:56.040 Right.

00:46:56.460 Yeah, I think you're right that, like, there's not a direct connection anywhere, biblically speaking, between the hexagram and David.

00:47:05.360 But I'm just saying that if we begin to see the hexagram associated with the nation state of Israel, you know, around the time of the Rothschilds or whatever, I'm not exactly sure when that star begins to be symbolic of the nation state of Israel.

00:47:22.380 There is a tradition that perhaps even goes back ancient, more ancient than that, where Philo says something like there was a tradition that that Solomon, you know, had created a ring.

00:47:36.060 Now, the keys of Solomon is a later forgery.

00:47:39.840 But Philo does talk about, and I remember I took a note of this when I was reading through some of, excuse me, not Philo, Josephus.

00:47:49.240 So Josephus talks about this tradition in his day of the various sigils that Solomon used, and then he had a ring of this sort of sigil.

00:47:58.400 But if I recall, it wasn't a six-sided star, I think it was a five-sided star.

00:48:02.220 So maybe by the time of the emergence of the keys of Solomon in the 15 or 1600s, wherever that, that's a fake document, it's not from Solomon.

00:48:11.560 They might have been pulling from this statement from Josephus and then added in as a six-sided star or something like that.

00:48:17.120 But regardless of all that, I think that there's a more evident example where if we look at where Stephen in Acts 8 is pulling from, he's talking about the whole history of Israel, right?

00:48:31.160 I mean, the nation-state of Israel from the time of Mount Sinai onwards is constantly tempted with turning to the pagan worship of the nations around them.

00:48:42.120 And that includes, you know, it's like sex rights that we see in Numbers, Baal Peor, and human sacrifice, which is mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah.

00:48:51.000 You know, this is why it's forbidden in Exodus and in Numbers to do, in Leviticus, to do that kind of sacrifice because the nations around Israel were tempting them with it. 0.66

00:49:01.160 They continually fell into that worship, thus so much of the prophetic literature, whether it's Jeremiah or Hosea or whoever, is railing against that kind of human sacrifice, harlot temptation that Israel is tempted with. 0.83

00:49:15.780 So, I mean, we don't have to, like, that's in the tradition, I think, of the erroneous side of Judaism, right? 0.94

00:49:24.980 I mean, this is the Babylonian Talmud, I think, includes a lot of speculations about magical practices, the Zohar, these kinds of things, you know, include these practices, which not necessarily every Jew did.

00:49:39.220 But within the rabbinic Judaism tradition, you've got rationalists like Maimonides, you've got esotericists and occultists like maybe Nachmanides, who's a Kabbalist.

00:49:53.200 So you do have these different strands within the history of Judaism where they would engage in magical practices, creating of amulets and this kind of stuff.

00:50:00.680 So I think that there's always been this strand present in various strands of rabbinic Judaism.

00:50:05.300 So that's it's so interesting. And that's what really makes the Bible interesting, going back and reading it from the beginning, because, you know, just in the in the Ten Commandments, he said, you shall take no gods before me.

00:50:17.460 And before that's kind of like, what does that mean? But obviously, we've named the show Nephilim Deskwad, and then you start to get into fallen angels and their offspring.

00:50:27.600 And you're talking, I mean, then you can go down the line through historical figures in the Egyptian line and in the Greek pantheon.

00:50:33.660 And now we're talking about actual small G gods that have had power here on Earth. 0.99

00:50:40.660 And maybe at one point, we're actually like in a physical body here that people were worshiping.

00:50:45.540 And that's long since been forgotten. And we we kind of like replicate what they wanted with a sacrifice, child sacrifice.

00:50:52.900 I mean, America is doing it right now with freaking Planned Parenthood. 0.83

00:50:55.640 And it's the largest human sacrifice machine ever.

00:51:00.440 So like when we say, like, are we living in the end times?

00:51:02.960 I'm like, you know, everybody said that. But I'm like, today they just killed a million babies.

00:51:08.260 Maybe. What does that do to the world?

00:51:10.540 What kind of like that kind of bloodshed, the most innocent bloodshed of of a child, like in certain locations?

00:51:15.740 What does that do? What does that mean?

00:51:17.600 Like we were doing this before, but on this kind of a scale, it's almost unheard of at this point.

00:51:23.520 This is just an interesting side note.

00:51:27.020 One of those, Ginsburg, remember the beat poet Ginsburg?

00:51:32.040 He said on one of his drug trips, he interacted with Molech. 1.00

00:51:35.960 And he felt like that the 60s counterculture was manifesting the entity known as Molech, which is interesting because, like, this is when you start to see the push for, you know, abortion, so to speak.

00:51:53.480 Sexual, sexual deviancy.

00:51:55.840 He said that there's a book where he talks about this.

00:51:58.480 It's a it's there's a it's a normie book on the history of the 60s counterculture called Storming Heaven by Jay Stevens.

00:52:04.940 And there's a whole chapter on Ginsburg and his, you know, drug trips and what do you saw and experience?

00:52:11.000 And he was like, yeah, I saw Molech and Molech was telling me, like, you know, I'm going to be the god of America.

00:52:15.680 And so that was pretty crazy.

00:52:17.540 I mean, I was almost like it's almost like a demonic version of prophecy where he's like saying that that's what's going to happen.

00:52:22.940 Anyway, but aside from Molech, I mean, yeah, I think the the best explanation for what's happening is demonic.

00:52:29.940 Absolutely. Like the demons hate humanity because humanity is made the image of God and thus they hate anything that reminds them of God.

00:52:38.520 And also Christ took on human nature.

00:52:40.580 So the very being they hate didn't assume angelic nature.

00:52:44.800 He assumed human nature.

00:52:46.580 And so this is part of the source of a lot of the rivalry and envy that the demons have for humanity.

00:52:51.760 And so they want to destroy it.

00:52:53.940 And I think that, yeah, ultimately all of the religions out there that aren't Christianity, they always tend in this direction. 0.91

00:53:02.260 I'm not saying every person in those religions is demonic, but that if you're part of that spirit, that as time progresses,

00:53:08.880 they're more and more going to participate in that spirit of anti-Christianity.

00:53:14.040 Even Islam is, you know, according to John, anti-Christ, because John says he that does not confess Christ coming in the flesh, God in flesh, is of the spirit of anti-Christ.

00:53:25.760 And I mean, the biggest the biggest anti-Christian religion on the face of the planet is Islam. 1.00

00:53:29.420 So I used to think like maybe 10 years ago, I didn't know a lot about Islam.

00:53:35.380 I mean, I knew a lot about Christian metaphysics and theology and apologetics, but I didn't know much about Islam.

00:53:39.520 And I thought, well, you know, they got a few things wrong, but they're kind of based or whatever.

00:53:44.080 But they're not. It's it's crazy.

00:53:45.860 I mean, when you really get into Islam, as I have in the last like four or five years, you start to see like this is it's really bad news.

00:53:52.760 And I'm not trying to say that rabbinic Judaism isn't bad, but I think rabbinic Judaism has no problem with Islam attacking Christianity. 1.00

00:54:00.860 You know what I mean? Like they see it as perhaps something they don't really care about.

00:54:05.120 But anyway, I'm rambling.

00:54:08.500 So by that nature, do you think would you say that Christianity is almost I think I think that Christianity is in direct conflict with Judaism?

00:54:17.260 Like that's the battle that has been going on.

00:54:19.720 And again, this is like this become like a JQ episode, but it kind of is.

00:54:23.500 And Christianity, I don't think really is aware of that.

00:54:26.860 Or maybe they're becoming aware of this.

00:54:29.360 Well, the last couple of talks I did, like on the fourth hour of Alex, a couple shows back was about the deception through dispensationalism.

00:54:38.500 Of the Schofield Study Bible and, you know, like Christian Zionism and all that. 0.99

00:54:44.540 Yeah, I mean, that's been a tremendous, massive deception.

00:54:47.600 And there's a really good case to be made that part of the reason Oxford University was so adamant about pushing the Schofield Study Bible in America was to prepare for the geopolitical moves that the British Empire had had planned out with Balfour Declaration.

00:55:02.640 So I think that makes perfect sense.

00:55:04.280 I mean, the Schofield Study Bible is still printed by Oxford University, which, again, makes absolutely no sense.

00:55:10.860 Like Oxford University is not known for, you know, weird Christian, like it's not John Hagee type of stuff. 0.99

00:55:16.920 Why are they pushing this and printing it for so long, this absurd Schofield Study Bible?

00:55:23.020 Well, because it props up the very error that you're talking about.

00:55:28.280 And this was like, this is the impetus of my disagreement or my hate for the Daily Wire.

00:55:33.760 Despite ruin, I mean, maybe it's because they ruined my only time on TimCast.

00:55:37.300 But most likely it's because they have been so subversive to the to the Christian boomer community, the Christian conservative boomer audience.

00:55:49.040 And it's an op that's been so thoroughly run.

00:55:51.940 Just recently, I was like arguing with Matt Walsh about the whole nine to five idea.

00:55:56.900 I don't know if you saw this, but like it's to demoralize your audience in such a way.

00:56:04.060 And I'm not saying like, again, I've recapped this ad notion, but like nine to five is not a bad thing.

00:56:09.260 But like striving for more is is a bad thing, according to the Daily Wire.

00:56:14.580 And it's just kind of disgusting.

00:56:17.180 But it's also in line with almost everything else that they've been pushing.

00:56:20.020 Yeah, I was I called them out a couple of weeks ago, which surprised me because that my tweet kind of went viral talking about how the thing that annoys me that they're always talking about how it's like my number one gripe with con ink, man. 1.00

00:56:35.300 They're always just talking about the boobs in Washington and we're run by idiots. 0.99

00:56:39.540 And it's like, no, they were run by cunning, technocratic psychopaths like Brzezinski, Kissinger. 1.00

00:56:45.060 What do you mean we're run by idiots? 1.00

00:56:46.680 It's just it's all deflecting into as if Joe Biden's running the country. 1.00

00:56:51.380 Right. I mean, that's just this is just classic boomer crap, dude. 0.99

00:56:55.960 We're so past this. People have moved on past this. 0.98

00:56:58.520 And so I'm just it just annoys me that these people have such huge audiences still.

00:57:03.520 Dude, that's what I'm saying. 0.96

00:57:04.820 It fucking annoys me because just today is Joe Biden again. 0.97

00:57:08.640 Like every time I see a Joe Biden video, my amusement level goes down. 0.98

00:57:13.140 Like at first I was like, this is very funny.

00:57:15.020 We can make good content off of this. 0.99

00:57:16.480 Like I do funny shit sometimes. 0.95

00:57:18.100 The last one I seen where he said another four years pause and then they chant afterward. 0.95

00:57:23.820 I'm like, this is like I'm distressed at this point. 0.99

00:57:27.260 It's almost like they're psychologically torturing me, like telling us that we know like we know, you know, that like he's not running this shit. 0.99

00:57:34.460 Like we don't even care anymore. 1.00

00:57:36.400 The more he messes up, the better.

00:57:38.240 And the more you have to think about like what's actually happening here. 1.00

00:57:41.060 These are these are dumb. 1.00

00:57:42.880 They're dumb people because they've given themselves over to whatever kind of spirits that are influencing them. 1.00

00:57:51.320 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:51.520 They're dumb and not right. 1.00

00:57:52.400 But they're absolutely cunning and they're dangerous. 1.00

00:57:56.360 How did they ruin your Timcast?

00:57:58.480 What do you mean?

00:57:58.840 I went on in like, I don't even know, last year or something.

00:58:02.280 If you don't let me ask.

00:58:03.520 Yeah.

00:58:03.920 And if you ever watch Timcast, like an episode.

00:58:08.260 Yeah, but I was on last January, I think.

00:58:11.520 Okay.

00:58:11.880 Oh, so I was on last January, too.

00:58:13.980 Okay.

00:58:15.160 So usually you go on and there's at least four topics covered.

00:58:18.220 We talked about nothing but Steven Crowder and the Daily Wire for two hours.

00:58:21.900 And I just basically, I was like, I don't.

00:58:25.400 I had to stay quiet on some of the opinions I had because my friends were coming after.

00:58:29.660 They had booked this all in succession.

00:58:31.420 And I was just like, this is awful.

00:58:33.320 And it was the most boring episode ever.

00:58:34.540 Oh, you mean the Daily Wire indirectly ruined it because it was all about Daily Wire.

00:58:38.740 Like you couldn't talk.

00:58:39.700 I thought you meant like Daily Wire.

00:58:41.280 They heard that Top was coming out.

00:58:43.300 This is Ben Shapiro.

00:58:44.180 This is Ben Shapiro.

00:58:44.720 I'm calling right now.

00:58:45.160 Get him off of there.

00:58:45.780 Get him off of there.

00:58:46.260 Faction logic.

00:58:46.780 Faction logic.

00:58:47.460 Shut it down.

00:58:50.600 I don't want to see Top Lobster.

00:58:52.000 Shut it down.

00:58:53.180 I wanted to go back to something you said before, Jay.

00:58:55.680 I found it incredibly fascinating.

00:58:57.160 This idea that this guy, he's being subjected to these LSD experiments.

00:59:01.800 And he has an encounter with Moloch.

00:59:05.340 And if you take into consideration the idea that the entire counterculture revolution was manufactured, or at least co-opted soon after its inception and then steered by these intelligence agencies.

00:59:15.700 The people that are running these experiments that are subjecting these Johns, right, to LSD and all these different things, for sure, they have to be getting these patterns back.

00:59:26.220 Like, oh, Moloch's been mentioned again.

00:59:28.560 I don't know.

00:59:28.980 Some entity.

00:59:30.280 Moloch.

00:59:30.620 Oh, there he goes.

00:59:31.120 He mentioned Moloch too, right?

00:59:32.140 Like, after a while, they have to have an idea that they're communing with entities.

00:59:36.580 Because how many people come back from a DMT trip or any trip, for that matter, and have communed with some sort of entity?

00:59:43.240 And once you start to establish a pattern there, you can start to imagine, well, they're going somewhere and they're communicating with something, almost reliably, in the sense that we can, you know, show a pattern here.

00:59:52.400 So, a lot of the times I would think to myself, what benefit do the intelligence agencies have?

00:59:58.860 And I'm sure there's many, because it's never just one thing.

01:00:01.020 It's multiple birds with one stone.

01:00:03.780 What benefit do they have by pushing this drug culture?

01:00:08.280 You know, if you're talking about the crack epidemic, that one's pretty cut and dry with, you know, destroying the family unit in the black communities and funding the Iran-Contra wars, all these different things. 0.94

01:00:19.520 But with the LSD movement, to even entertain for a moment that they were fucking bringing Moloch into this dimension, that they were giving this entity enough energy from enough encounters with people, that eventually they would bring back into this reality, to some sense, an Old Testament deity that the Canaanites worshipped, is fucking, I don't want to have this be taken the wrong way. 0.99

01:00:48.360 It's cool as shit. 0.98

01:00:50.120 I've got to dig up that quote where he talks about it. 0.98

01:00:52.560 It's in that Jay Stephens book.

01:00:53.880 And to be precise, although you actually could be on to something that I had thought about, which is a lot of these dudes, like the beat poets and these sort of counterculture figures, they actually did have fed ties quite a bit.

01:01:06.860 But I don't know if Ginsburg himself did, but I would not be surprised.

01:01:10.840 But according to him, like he was just like, no, I'm doing this on my own to, you know, be a wild man and, you know, I'm going to go back to being a, to nature and, you know, being a not part of your civilization, dude. 0.81

01:01:24.300 A gay pagan. 1.00

01:01:25.100 I mean, yeah, pretty much, but I wouldn't be surprised given how many of the other characters like Tim Leary and even perhaps McKenna, you know, they had fed ties.

01:01:35.200 So I wouldn't be surprised.

01:01:36.120 In fact, Leary, there's a clip because you'll find it on YouTube where he says you can, you can trace the entire count of 60s counterculture to the CIA.

01:01:42.900 He's like, if you like it, you can thank the CIA for that.

01:01:45.820 So why the LSD for the, the, the emerging white kids and not, I think that they probably did a lot of experimentation about which drugs worked best for which types of people or groups of people.

01:02:01.980 Um, Huxley said, and a lot of his research, when he was talking about experimenting with LSD before they released it to, you know, the, the white, uh, kids in the West was that it had the ability to break down all of your boundaries, uh, and kind of, um, change, uh, it's, it's a drug that radically changes a person in many cases.

01:02:27.020 Not discernment or not discernment in the sense of like spiritual discernment, but you're otherwise being closed off from people guarded from people.

01:02:35.220 Yeah. Like, like a person, like they would talk about how persons who grew up maybe with a more of a conservative bent, uh, wanted to go to college and, you know, become a, uh, you know, accountant or whatever that after they would do these drugs, they were totally different people.

01:02:49.340 So it sort of broke down all their boundaries, their sense of self or sense of connection to their family, to their nation state. 0.68

01:02:54.720 We noticed that this one makes them gay and homeless. 0.98

01:02:59.080 Which one? 0.99

01:03:00.860 LSD, any of the psychedelics.

01:03:02.840 This one very effectively turns them on social and makes them homeless.

01:03:07.260 Let's give them that one.

01:03:09.320 Um, yeah, I think, uh, yeah, I mean, so there's actually studies, right?

01:03:15.040 Where they talked about, so Huxley talks about it, um, just basically as a potential cultural revolution drug.

01:03:22.960 So I think that's why they wanted to see if it would do that.

01:03:26.720 Um, other people talk about it, doing this.

01:03:28.460 John C.

01:03:28.760 Lilly talks about it as a thing.

01:03:30.540 Oh, I forgot.

01:03:31.280 Yeah.

01:03:31.420 Like, uh, uh, Leary, I think even says that his, his thought was you could initiate an entire

01:03:38.380 generation through in, in like a shamanic way to a new shamanic religion through these, uh,

01:03:44.980 Terrence McKenna, he says in his book, uh, food of the gods that the sixties counterculture, 0.79

01:03:50.000 I kid you not, this actually ties into your, to your gay comment.

01:03:53.000 He says that if everybody took hallucinogens and LSD and all this stuff, then we would 0.62

01:03:58.320 finally return to the worship of the goddess and we would stop being, uh, masculine, uh,

01:04:04.400 like alphas.

01:04:05.260 He says that.

01:04:06.480 Wow.

01:04:07.020 Yeah.

01:04:07.320 I actually have that book.

01:04:08.400 I never read it because I'm retarded, but that's fascinating because. 0.73

01:04:11.820 The first chapter he says that.

01:04:12.800 Yeah.

01:04:13.060 Wow.

01:04:13.460 You didn't even get past the first chapter. 1.00

01:04:15.020 I never even opened that shit. 0.99

01:04:16.460 It just looks cool on my shelf. 1.00

01:04:18.280 Uh, that's crazy, man.

01:04:20.660 Because.

01:04:21.380 And it also says in a video, by the way, uh, you can find it on YouTube.

01:04:25.060 Uh, somebody was asking me the other day that I can't find this video.

01:04:27.900 It's still there.

01:04:28.800 I promise you.

01:04:29.520 It's something like what the mushroom, what the mushroom said to me.

01:04:33.120 And when you play it, Terrence McKenna says.

01:04:35.340 You might think the mushroom told me that everyone needs to save the earth or get rid

01:04:42.320 of the Brown people. 0.92

01:04:43.800 No, the mushroom said that the white soccer moms in California need to stop having children. 1.00

01:04:50.580 So the literally, literally the mushroom is telling him like exactly what the CFR and

01:04:55.620 the globalists want, right? 0.92

01:04:56.920 It's like, Oh, that is fucking fascinating, dude. 0.77

01:05:00.160 It's it's, I, I think it's, I'll find it later. 0.80

01:05:03.360 Yes, please.

01:05:04.440 It might be a misconception that a mushroom is doing this or we're big fans of portals,

01:05:10.040 Tony Merkel fans.

01:05:11.420 So it's, to me, it just seems like a lot of these things like LSD mushrooms, uh, methamphetamine,

01:05:16.220 they're just tools to open up a portal in, into different directions.

01:05:21.720 Father, Father, sir from Rose, some of the Orthodox writers say this, that cause he used

01:05:25.840 to do psychedelics before he became Orthodox.

01:05:27.540 And he talks about it opening up that spiritual Porter.

01:05:30.420 Yeah.

01:05:31.040 Yeah.

01:05:31.260 I, I, I've had experiences.

01:05:32.780 Um, you know, I did a lot of mushrooms one time and I didn't have anything negative happen

01:05:37.280 to me, but what I can say definitively is that my thoughts were not my own. 0.96

01:05:41.400 I was being given shit to think about the book of tears, the book of tears. 0.98

01:05:47.520 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:47.880 It was like, it was like somebody turned a faucet on and I was just getting drenched with 0.96

01:05:53.040 fucking information because I remember my reaction to it specifically was like, huh, 0.98

01:05:58.620 that's interesting. 0.99

01:05:59.600 Huh?

01:05:59.860 Okay.

01:06:00.300 Like it was, everything was as if I was looking at it. 0.98

01:06:02.500 So it very much feels like, um, you know, we bring them up every fucking episode. 0.91

01:06:06.500 We just brought them up on the previous episode, but Dr. Jerry Marzinski is a clinical psychologist 0.96

01:06:11.220 for 35 years in the field.

01:06:12.760 We should just get a drop.

01:06:13.680 I'm just going to get a drop.

01:06:14.700 Like on the roadcaster that just does this spiel.

01:06:17.340 Cause we do it every episode.

01:06:18.300 It's disgusting.

01:06:19.420 It's like, hold on.

01:06:20.040 We're going to pull up the clip of, but, um, he's an awesome guy.

01:06:24.540 He dealt with schizophrenia and he came to the conclusion after all his schooling and

01:06:28.940 everything that this was in fact, spiritual in nature and that these people were under

01:06:32.820 the influence by demonic entities.

01:06:34.200 And he said that drugs act as a portal to commune with these things.

01:06:38.640 And the most effective one that mirrors schizophrenia almost exactly is methamphetamine.

01:06:44.740 Interesting.

01:06:45.700 Uh, yeah.

01:06:46.760 Uh, Huxley says as well that they, that he noticed early on when he was experimenting with

01:06:51.980 LSD, both on himself and with other people that it seemed to have the ability to induce

01:06:57.260 schizophrenia and dissociation.

01:06:59.560 So they knew that early on.

01:07:01.380 And I forgot to mention, uh, there's a really important white paper you guys should check

01:07:05.460 out.

01:07:05.740 It's pretty famous.

01:07:06.520 It's, uh, produced, uh, in concert with Stanford research Institute, which was together with

01:07:11.900 Esalen Institute was spearheading a lot of this, uh, sixties counterculture stuff from

01:07:15.460 the establishment, by the way, not from a grassroots thing.

01:07:18.420 Um, it's called changing images of man.

01:07:20.280 Have you heard of that?

01:07:20.840 No, yeah.

01:07:22.200 You gotta, you gotta check this out.

01:07:23.460 It's a famous, uh, Stanford white paper, which talks about the cult, the cultural revolution

01:07:28.500 and how they wanted it to happen and, and where they wanted it to go to basically, basically 0.94

01:07:35.380 just create a bunch of idiots, uh, who pretended that they're shaman, uh, you know, but what 0.99

01:07:40.300 we see like, you know, with yoga, Instagram chicks, you know, yoga, Instagram chicks, that's 1.00

01:07:45.200 what they wanted because those are the kinds of people that will, uh, fit better into the

01:07:49.360 coming technocracy. 1.00

01:07:51.080 Oh, that's like, did you see that crusty bitch with the big titties, the white chick who 1.00

01:07:54.300 fucking sings about like pyramids and commuting with entities. 1.00

01:07:57.860 And she's like really popular. 0.99

01:07:59.900 I got to, this sounds like a great, like, uh, material for a live stream.

01:08:03.660 Oh dude, you'll, if you see her, uh, you'll hate her, but she's gotten viral, by the way, 0.99

01:08:08.760 would, but she's a fucking completely, uh, you know that she smells like, like ass fungus 1.00

01:08:16.580 and cat litter, but, uh, she is kind of a phenom right. 1.00

01:08:21.000 Amongst, uh, the younger generation of girls, I have a niece who's like obsessed with her 0.98

01:08:25.440 and my niece now has one crusty dreadlock and it's, I have this bitch to thank. 1.00

01:08:29.620 Um, but she, uh, she is all about taking mushrooms and LSD and commuting with entities. 0.98

01:08:37.080 And she, she makes songs about that.

01:08:39.060 She says channeling.

01:08:40.600 She's like, you know,

01:08:41.180 Let me ask you this, Jay, because you, you just brought up the idea of, uh, a communal

01:08:46.020 indoctrination, I think you said with the, the culture.

01:08:49.120 Yeah.

01:08:49.440 So when you're talking about like astrology girls or, uh, you know, like everyone's reading

01:08:53.520 the horoscope or everyone's doing yoga, which yoga is great for stretching, but it also,

01:08:58.640 they're doing it in a way like a spiritual way, even though they might not be touching

01:09:02.060 exactly what it's supposed to be because they're mimicking these things.

01:09:05.480 They're going through the motions of it, or even like a, our, our boy Paul would talk

01:09:09.560 about clowns in the Nephilim, how clowns resemble the Nephilim by dressing up, by memeing these

01:09:14.760 things, is there any kind of actual initiation happening culturally?

01:09:19.340 It's short.

01:09:19.760 It seems that way.

01:09:21.380 What are your thoughts on that?

01:09:23.180 Yeah.

01:09:23.420 That was the purpose of pushing all this, uh, Eastern stuff.

01:09:26.100 So, you know, this is, I mean, again, a changing images of man is one of the documents from

01:09:29.820 the establishment that talks about it.

01:09:31.740 Uh, Leary talks about it.

01:09:33.640 McKenna talks about it.

01:09:35.460 Um, and I don't view those people as legitimate counterculture people.

01:09:38.760 I think they were like fake, you know, establishment given counterculture people to change society.

01:09:44.340 Like, for example, uh, Gordon Lawson, the dude that, uh, went and discovered the, discovered

01:09:51.520 the entheogens that they synthesize LSD from, uh, he was a banker, um, working with, uh, like

01:09:59.880 working out of like, I think JP Morgan or something, but he worked for the Macy Foundation and he

01:10:04.940 went to Latin South America to try to find these hallucinogens.

01:10:08.520 And this is where we actually get like the synthesized LSD that, that, uh, Sandoz, uh,

01:10:13.780 pharmaceuticals created for the CIA.

01:10:15.700 If I remember with Abby Hoffman and all that, but, um, they put him on the front of time

01:10:21.420 magazine.

01:10:22.080 Okay.

01:10:22.320 That's time magazine was run by Henry, Henry Luce, the, the CIA skull and bones guy.

01:10:27.320 Why are they promoting, uh, mushrooms on the cover of time magazine if it's a counterculture?

01:10:33.180 You know what I mean?

01:10:34.120 Uh, so I, I think that, that the thesis that this was pushed from the top down is way more

01:10:39.480 sensible because they realized that it had a tremendous, uh, effect for social engineering.

01:10:44.640 So, um,

01:10:46.040 It's everywhere, dude.

01:10:46.960 I mean, from Joe Rogan, that's like us, like people that listen to podcasts, do podcasts

01:10:51.860 are in online.

01:10:52.760 And then you go to target and in target, they have like just hoodies, Walmart hoodies,

01:10:57.180 like with like little Walmart things.

01:10:59.120 And it'd be like, taste the rainbow. 0.99

01:11:00.480 I'm like, what the fuck is this talking? 0.98

01:11:01.800 You're talking about like going on a trip in Walmart, but this is, it's a lot of mushroom 0.99

01:11:06.400 stuff too, right?

01:11:07.140 Like shirts with mushrooms on them.

01:11:08.500 I see that all the time when I go shopping with my kid, there's a lot of like shirts with

01:11:11.940 fungus on them. 0.99

01:11:12.660 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:11:13.320 Kids just love fungus, fungus, space, and dinosaurs. 1.00

01:11:16.200 I'm like, all these things are fucking lies, but basically everything fake and gay is 1.00

01:11:20.700 everything fake and gay is a market towards children. 1.00

01:11:22.820 But that concept is really fascinating, right? 0.98

01:11:25.300 It's like initiating an entire population of people.

01:11:28.320 So you inundate them with drugs.

01:11:31.120 So now a vast majority of the population is on a drug of some sort.

01:11:35.320 Yeah.

01:11:36.400 And then you saturate their subliminal mind or their subconscious mind with subliminal messaging

01:11:42.220 and all the media that you take in, there are esoteric symbols, Masonic symbols, you

01:11:49.260 know, a satanic symbolism in almost everything that you absorb that's given to you through

01:11:55.280 the mainstream, at least, you know?

01:11:56.940 So I would be hard pressed to find a show on Netflix that didn't have something hidden

01:12:01.940 somewhere in the background, right?

01:12:03.640 Oh, you know what?

01:12:04.460 Not to interrupt you, but Jay, you've gone deep on this show.

01:12:07.440 I think that it's, it's been you that's been talking about it, right?

01:12:09.880 Uh, an old show.

01:12:12.540 Get in the name.

01:12:13.740 Um, is it you or Isaac?

01:12:16.060 No, you're confused.

01:12:17.160 You're confusing.

01:12:17.880 Isaac.

01:12:18.300 Isaac does twin peaks.

01:12:19.760 I would have watched that.

01:12:21.320 We, we both did.

01:12:22.180 I'm not, I'm not knocking Isaac, but Isaac, uh, I'm the one that kind of got Isaac into

01:12:26.540 twin peaks.

01:12:27.080 And then he went, he went a lot deeper with twin peaks than I did, but apparently you

01:12:30.500 can go that deep. 0.99

01:12:31.420 Like there's just so much in that fucking show. 1.00

01:12:33.400 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:33.580 It's really deep.

01:12:34.400 Um, yeah, I remember.

01:12:35.760 So I put my essay on it in the first esoteric Hollywood book that came out in 2016.

01:12:40.220 And the reason I wrote that essay was that I had a, I had a sense that, uh, that David

01:12:45.900 Lynch's show was dealing with like Crowley and stuff and the demonic realm and portals

01:12:51.640 through rituals and drug use and all that.

01:12:53.980 Um, but it was just my thesis from, um, the show.

01:12:56.740 And then Mark Frost, who's the co-creator of twin peaks with David Lynch, he put out a

01:13:01.120 book, uh, in 2017, I think a year after my thing came out and basically in his book,

01:13:07.480 it's like the whole history of twin peaks, like there's chapters on Crowley, there's

01:13:11.460 chapters on Jack Parsons, there's chapters on everything like way more so than I expected.

01:13:16.540 So that really vindicated the, the thesis that, um, you know, twin peaks is about this

01:13:22.100 kind of stuff, the stuff we're talking about today.

01:13:24.540 Uh, and then, yeah, Isaac went like a lot deeper with it, with his, you know, he's done

01:13:28.760 like a whole, he's done a podcast on like the whole, like three series, three, three

01:13:32.900 seasons.

01:13:33.720 So how old is that show?

01:13:34.860 Uh, twin peaks started in like 92 or 93.

01:13:39.560 I remember when it came out, it was, and it was, what's weird is that, that that was

01:13:43.560 on network TV.

01:13:44.520 I mean, it's just such a bizarre show.

01:13:47.620 Um, you know, you would never see something like that on network TV nowadays.

01:13:51.120 That's interesting.

01:13:51.900 Do you think that that kind of falls into that mass, um, initiation that we're kind of

01:13:57.940 hinting at, you know, what purpose does that serve if you're sitting there and you're

01:14:02.040 absorbing that, but you don't realize it on the surface, where they have to tell you

01:14:06.740 my revelation of the method or yeah.

01:14:08.660 I mean, I mean, I don't, I mean, uh, you know, David Lynch is obviously not Christian 0.98

01:14:12.740 in any sense.

01:14:13.840 Um, he said, he seems to be interested in, you know, he's a big proponent of transcendent

01:14:17.580 meditation.

01:14:18.140 Uh, and he's influenced by, uh, like, uh, Tibetan Buddhism and this kind of stuff.

01:14:26.420 So he's definitely not coming at it from any kind of Christian perspective, but I do think

01:14:31.020 sometimes, uh, pop culture stuff and, and even something like Tibetan Buddhism, like it

01:14:38.420 can inadvertently hit on the ideas of demonic entities being contacted through portals, you

01:14:45.020 know, this kind of, I mean, that's what happens in the show.

01:14:46.760 Right.

01:14:47.100 So, so I think even the pagans can, can touch on this kind of stuff accidentally.

01:14:51.860 So I think that's what's going on with David Lynch.

01:14:53.840 I mean, he could be way more into deeper stuff than I know.

01:14:59.460 Um, but I don't get the impression that he's like, what am I trying to say?

01:15:05.720 Um, I don't know that he's, I don't know that he's got there being like, okay, we serve

01:15:10.380 Satan, what can we put out, you know, to dupe the public?

01:15:14.400 Um, I, I, I, he seems to just be kind of like one of these, uh, you know, LA avant

01:15:19.320 garde, auteur, uh, filmmakers who got into Buddhism and, you know, you know, like if you've

01:15:25.160 been to LA, there's a lot of people out there that are, you know, I'm into Buddhism, you

01:15:30.600 know what I mean? 1.00

01:15:31.440 And they're kind of idiots. 1.00

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01:16:18.300 So I don't know that he was, but I mean, he could be way more well-connected than I know. 0.96

01:16:23.200 It's still kind of like an idiot touching on the truth kind of thing. 0.86

01:16:26.440 Yeah, the guy that, sorry to interrupt Dave, but the guy that created, or he wrote Noah. 0.97

01:16:31.840 Get his name.

01:16:32.480 He's a pretty famous screenwriter.

01:16:34.480 Same sort of thing.

01:16:35.440 I'm like, how much does this guy actually know?

01:16:37.460 He knows enough to name the fallen angels.

01:16:42.440 Are you talking about Darren Aronofsky?

01:16:44.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:46.240 Well, so he's actually like a Kabbalist.

01:16:48.980 He's into like hardcore Kabbalistic stuff.

01:16:51.660 Okay, so he knows.

01:16:52.460 So his first movie was Pi, and Pi is about Kabbalah and Gematria.

01:17:00.040 He did Mother as well, right?

01:17:01.820 Oh, really?

01:17:02.180 I don't know.

01:17:03.400 Yeah, that's another freaky one I got to go back to.

01:17:05.260 Oh, I thought you said his mother.

01:17:06.980 No, the movie Mother.

01:17:07.760 Yes, correct.

01:17:08.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:09.300 I was like, I don't know about his mom.

01:17:12.200 Then he did the movie.

01:17:14.840 I did a whole analysis of The Fountain with Rachel Weisz and Hugh Jackman.

01:17:20.240 That's also a Kabbalistic movie.

01:17:22.460 He did Noah.

01:17:23.080 I did an analysis of that a long time ago.

01:17:26.340 And then he did Black Swan, which is like trauma-based mind control.

01:17:29.500 So I think actually of all the, he probably is way more initiated than most of the directors of any of them.

01:17:39.660 Yeah, because just thinking about what he did with Noah, to me, that's the most important story to be told right now.

01:17:47.420 This idea of the fallen angels.

01:17:49.320 And he's completely taken it and twisted it.

01:17:52.480 Great.

01:17:52.740 It looked really cool.

01:17:54.360 But to twist it that much and then say like, well, it was man all of a sudden.

01:17:59.900 You know how he told the story. 1.00

01:18:01.220 It was man and he tried to kill his kids and all this bullshit. 0.99

01:18:03.040 Yeah, there was some weird propaganda. 0.99

01:18:05.220 There was like vegan propaganda too in that, which is weird. 0.97

01:18:07.840 A lot of weird gay stuff. 0.98

01:18:09.520 But the most important thing was that these fallen angels were given redemption. 0.92

01:18:13.120 It's like, well, that's not what I read.

01:18:15.060 That's not how I heard this thing go down.

01:18:17.380 So what are you telling me?

01:18:19.280 There's no redemption for the fallen angels, right?

01:18:21.200 I mean, even the Book of Enix, right?

01:18:23.360 Like they're imprisoned to never be set free, right?

01:18:27.340 Oh, he did Requiem for a Dream too.

01:18:30.500 Somebody in the chat said that.

01:18:31.420 You ever see Requiem for a Dream?

01:18:33.300 Oh, he did that too.

01:18:33.960 I'm familiar with it.

01:18:35.080 Yeah.

01:18:35.220 I mean, I'm only familiar with the one scene.

01:18:37.340 Yeah.

01:18:37.500 Everybody knows that one buck-for-butt scene, yeah.

01:18:40.800 He was up his alley though.

01:18:42.300 Yeah, that's another kind of mind control, MKUltra, dissociation type of movie.

01:18:46.400 Exactly.

01:18:46.900 It's about like drug people addicted to heroin or something. 1.00

01:18:49.180 Yeah, I just know it's about two chicks jamming a cucumber in their asses or something like that. 1.00

01:18:53.800 But they're, but the whole, they're druggies, right? 0.99

01:18:56.900 So it's, it's like a drug culture movie, like train spotting.

01:19:02.520 That was a hot, like heroin addicts was like a cool topic in the, you know, late nineties, two thousands.

01:19:10.240 There was one other, oh, I meant to, I was going to tell you guys to watch this movie.

01:19:13.180 It's not a very good movie, but it's a perfect illustration of what we're talking about.

01:19:16.860 It's called Altered States, and it's about John C. Lilly and the float tanks and his dissociating and interacting with the entities.

01:19:25.620 Shout out to Donut. 0.99

01:19:26.700 That's Illuminati Dolphins.

01:19:29.720 Exactly.

01:19:30.520 Yeah.

01:19:30.620 You know, it's so hard not to think that, you know, in the most conspiratorial of ways, like, were they trying to push an agenda or were they just making happy mistakes and happened to have a lot of this esoteric information and wanted to create something?

01:19:44.900 Or were they trying to move culture? Because it's like, we're talking about the counterculture and the drug movement and the anti-war movement all being co-opted by these three-letter agencies and then manufactured to the great extent that they eventually were.

01:19:59.240 These big influential movements over the United States, and we alluded to before, the crack epidemic of the 80s and the 90s, you know, funding the Iran-Contra wars, funneling cocaine into the hoods, destroying the family unit, essentially destroying, I'm sorry, the black family unit, and destroying black communities, like, almost permanently. 0.65

01:20:22.260 And now you look at today what's going on with this whole Diddy thing, and it's like, oh, well, Diddy's been running this blackmail operation for 30 fucking years, and that blackmail operation is in hip-hop, and hip-hop has been culturally engineering.

01:20:38.340 It's been the most culturally impactful movement of the last 30 years. 0.69

01:20:44.100 Is that a crazy thing to say, do you think? Hip-hop, as far as the culture that it's embedded or imbued upon America, has been the most influential of any other, number one, genre of music, or fucking anything? 0.74

01:20:55.960 I mean, really, hip-hop is the major driving cultural force. 0.77

01:21:00.840 So it's like, you know, we're talking about these directors and whether or not they have malicious intent, and you really can't even blame people for going there, because none of our culture for the past fucking, everything's been engineered.

01:21:12.820 Everything's been created and pushed on us, and you can see exactly what was done and what the ramifications of it were. 0.93

01:21:21.140 And like I said, right now, we're sitting in the middle of this Diddy thing, where it's like, everybody's like, oh, Diddy was doing butt-sick stuff.

01:21:26.760 And it's like, yeah, that's funny.

01:21:29.400 Diddy was engineering the culture of the United States, him and a bunch of other people who haven't been named, right, because Diddy is this fall guy.

01:21:36.400 He's just kind of the flavor of the month. 0.98

01:21:38.580 What we're really saying here, guys, is that it's all a fabrication, and that the most impactful driving cultural force of the past 30 years is a fucking fabrication. 0.97

01:21:49.560 And what fruits did it bear? 0.98

01:21:51.780 Well, it destroyed us. 1.00

01:21:53.420 Hip-hop fucking destroyed us, man. 1.00

01:21:55.700 Yeah, hip-hop is fake and gay, and that's what everybody's like. 1.00

01:21:59.620 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:59.900 You mean the most, like, machismo, you know, genre of sort of music is fake and gay? 1.00

01:22:08.260 Yep. 0.97

01:22:08.860 Sorry.

01:22:10.100 Yeah, I mean. 0.96

01:22:11.480 Literally gay. 0.99

01:22:12.680 It went global, too, right?

01:22:14.120 Like, you think about other genres that, I mean, like, maybe punk music kind of went global.

01:22:19.860 Maybe grunge went kind of a little, but nothing like the way hip-hop went global to where, you know, you got Rich Bryan, right?

01:22:28.020 You got Chinese rappers.

01:22:29.600 You've got, like, I mean, you got rap is everywhere.

01:22:32.940 So I think you're spot on with that.

01:22:35.080 I mean, one point I would say about how do we know, like, when somebody is intentionally doing this propaganda in their movies or something.

01:22:43.960 I think when you look at the blockbusters, I mean, there's actual documentation of, you know, paying to have propaganda in movies that's, there's multiple books on this.

01:22:56.380 I cite books in my second Hollywood book on this topic.

01:22:59.240 So that we can verify 100% that, like, the blockbusters almost always have pretty high-level propaganda. 0.98

01:23:05.600 More weird avant-garde stuff that could just be, you know, individual artists just influenced by weird demonic shit.

01:23:14.080 Like, I remember when I was in undergrad, I had, my best friend was getting his degree in art.

01:23:21.960 And at the university level, you usually have to do, like, a senior show for your art, whatever that is.

01:23:29.680 And all the other artists are there as well.

01:23:33.040 And at the same time, my girlfriend at the time, her sister was getting an art degree from Vanderbilt.

01:23:38.840 So she had a show.

01:23:40.120 And I remember going to both of these.

01:23:42.400 And what the weird part was that, I mean, obviously none of these people knew each other or anything like that.

01:23:46.240 But all of the undergraduate artists in there, it doesn't matter what medium it was, whether it was photography, whether it was, like, you know, pencil sketch, or whether it was painting or whatever.

01:23:57.000 Like, it was all demonic.

01:24:00.500 And I just found that to be odd.

01:24:02.880 Like, none of these people know each other.

01:24:04.240 They're not, like, colluding in the same coven.

01:24:06.220 And maybe nowadays they would be part of the same coven, but this is, like, 2003, 4, 5, 6.

01:24:11.320 And everybody's artwork is, like, and they would explain the art in their presentations.

01:24:16.040 Like, well, this is what I was dreaming about.

01:24:18.420 Or this is what, when I was doing LSD, like, what came to me.

01:24:22.620 And it's all demonic stuff, even to the point of, like, one whole presentation was on the sacrifice of a child in Abrasian.

01:24:32.100 Right?

01:24:33.060 So, like, here's people that they don't believe in God.

01:24:37.440 They don't have any faith in anything.

01:24:39.460 Why are they all being influenced with the same demonic?

01:24:43.060 And some of them would even say, like, spirits that came to me and influenced me.

01:24:46.580 Like, why is it all demonic?

01:24:47.740 So, those people aren't intentionally, you know, part of some CIA plan.

01:24:53.560 They're just influenced by demonic spirits to put out, you know, like, just awful, disgusting art.

01:25:00.460 And I think the same thing goes on with, you know, people who are influenced by these powers, these spirits in most arts, music as well.

01:25:10.500 And then at a high level, when you get to, like, the big blockbusters, that's when they're like, okay, we need to intentionally put in the propaganda of, you know, Skittle stuff, you know, anti this country.

01:25:21.320 We need to go to war with this country.

01:25:22.760 I mean, they've been doing that, you know, warfare propaganda forever in movies.

01:25:26.440 So, tomorrow we're actually talking to Ed Mabry again, and I was re-listening to our last episode with him, and we were talking about, like, he said he doesn't believe a Christian can be, like, inhabited or possessed because you're filled with, you're already filled with the spirit.

01:25:46.300 Your body is filled.

01:25:47.220 So, and I tend to agree with that, but you were saying, why would this person in art school want to create something that is glorifying, basically, a demon?

01:25:59.880 And they don't know, well, they're not filled with anything else, so they're kind of an empty vessel for this to pass through and manifest itself in this way.

01:26:07.540 And it's interesting talking about the arts.

01:26:09.300 So, we had Arthur Kwan Lee on last week.

01:26:11.560 Oh, yeah, yeah, we're buddies, we chat.

01:26:13.720 Yeah, his reaction, or the reaction to his artwork, not surprising, but still eye-opening in that world.

01:26:23.300 I've got my wife's, they're famous artists, so I've heard from them, and I've seen, like, what that art world in New York City looks like.

01:26:34.460 Yeah.

01:26:34.820 And it's completely rotten, so it doesn't surprise me, but...

01:26:37.800 Is it a bunch of people doing demonic art?

01:26:39.700 One of, I'll just say, one of the uncles has passed away from suicide, and it's, that's how deep it was.

01:26:52.040 So, there's a lot going on.

01:26:53.500 I don't, I can't speculate as to what was going on with him, but another uncle that I speak to a lot, he keeps arm's distance away from this, and he's just, you know, he's an artist, and this is how he makes his money.

01:27:03.900 He loves doing that.

01:27:04.640 But, uh, it's, it's not a good place to be.

01:27:08.580 You know, it's the industry right now, because you have, you know, your uncle and, and, uh, Arthur Kwan Lee, it's like, real talents, um, but the industry doesn't want them.

01:27:20.680 Right.

01:27:21.140 Which obviously shows you where their intentions are.

01:27:23.620 It's like, you're, you're only valuable if you're willing to toe the same line that they need you to toe.

01:27:30.660 Yeah.

01:27:31.320 And, to go back to the hip-hop thing, you can see the exact same thing mirrored there, where there has been a real degradation in the quality of hip-hop.

01:27:41.680 There's always been a question as to whether or not, uh, poetry over beats was a real, uh, accomplishment. 0.95

01:27:47.740 You know, you're removing instruments and things of that nature, but, I mean, people like Kanye West, who fell the fuck off.

01:27:52.860 It is, but it's not, it's not music.

01:27:53.880 Like, I'm a musician.

01:27:54.720 It's different.

01:27:55.280 It's a different.

01:27:55.700 I study music theory.

01:27:57.120 It's not theory, but it is an art form.

01:27:59.060 So, right.

01:28:00.500 Um, but, you know, if you look at the state of the industry right now, it is the Satanism used to be the backdrop.

01:28:12.280 Now it's the leading thing that they come forward with.

01:28:16.100 Yeah.

01:28:16.420 And the artist is no longer talented, um, or even attractive for that matter, if you look at the ice spices and sexy reds. 0.98

01:28:23.020 Right.

01:28:23.300 But, um, that tells you pretty much all you need to know where hip-hop has reached such a state that the only thing that is important, which it's taken the mask off, is the messaging.

01:28:35.080 And in order for you to push such a blatant message, it is a prerequisite that you are not talented. 0.99

01:28:42.580 Because if you're talented, you can, you can diverge and you can go, no, fuck this. 0.99

01:28:46.280 I'm going to do my own thing. 0.97

01:28:47.160 But if you are some completely talentless, you know, uh, mumble rapper, well, then you depend on the people that are backing you in order for you to stay relevant.

01:28:57.820 You depend on them 100%.

01:28:59.300 And so in order for that, uh, sort of deal to be made, you have to push that agenda, whatever it is.

01:29:05.920 And we've gotten to the point where it's so obvious that hip-hop is no longer, the art is no longer a reflection of the culture, but the culture is a reflection of the art.

01:29:16.620 And if, if the art is leading the way, look at what they're pushing now. 0.99

01:29:20.640 I mean, it's like, it's completely debaucherous, worst of the worst shit. 0.97

01:29:25.320 But, and, and if you do believe that, that engineer, you know, hip-hop is engineering much more than just the black community now, look what they're trying to turn you into. 1.00

01:29:34.660 They're trying to turn you into a face tattooed, debaucherous, fucking demonic little retard. 1.00

01:29:40.820 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:41.180 Uh, and that is, and now they're pulling the curtain off and they're like, and by the way, they were butt-fucking. 0.99

01:29:47.200 Yeah, by the way, you know, uh, yeah, like Lil Nas X is, is gay humping on the devil, right? 0.99

01:29:54.420 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:55.480 It's wild out here.

01:29:56.400 Listen, uh, Jay, we're coming up on an hour and a half and I want to respect your time.

01:30:00.420 I do have a question for you.

01:30:02.020 I don't know if David does. 1.00

01:30:03.340 This is a stupid question. 1.00

01:30:05.020 Um, I w I was in a Greek Orthodox church for my, my best friend's wedding. 1.00

01:30:08.700 And I saw like a lot of the artwork I'm, I'm paying attention to all the artwork.

01:30:12.680 I'm paying attention to the curvature of, of like this.

01:30:16.460 I don't even know, like this church that we're in, I guess it's a church and temple.

01:30:19.620 I'm paying attention to how they, they end all of their, their like chants as they're

01:30:25.740 talking with like a round sound, like an ohm, almost.

01:30:28.920 It's like, it's, it's very hard to explain what was going on from somebody who's, it was

01:30:33.720 my first time experiencing it.

01:30:34.900 But one of the things that stuck out to me was, uh, this hand symbol here where it's

01:30:39.020 like a ring finger thumb.

01:30:41.440 And it's like, everyone's doing this or most, most of the, the people in the art are doing

01:30:46.800 like, they're showing you like, well, what the hell does that mean?

01:30:49.680 Haven't been able to find out yet.

01:30:51.280 Well, usually, uh, like if you see a blessing like this, this is the supposed to be the father,

01:30:58.760 son, Holy spirit.

01:30:59.280 This is the Trinity and this is supposed to represent the two natures of Christ.

01:31:03.020 And so likewise, when we do the cross, we do the name of the father, son, Holy spirit.

01:31:07.600 We're doing something very similar.

01:31:09.140 We're supposed to signify the Trinity and the two natures.

01:31:12.460 So if you join an Orthodox church, you'll usually be catechized.

01:31:17.140 And that just means you're in, it's usually a period of like six months to, depends on your

01:31:22.020 priest, what he decides.

01:31:23.080 It might be three years for some people, but, um, you'll learn a lot of that kind of stuff

01:31:27.240 and the meaning of the symbols and every icon in the Orthodox church is usually rife with

01:31:32.380 symbolism.

01:31:32.880 So there there's the colors have a significance, the, the placement and the icon is a significance.

01:31:38.540 Um, um, but usually it's just teaching the basics of Orthodox theology is probably, probably

01:31:46.080 80% of the symbolism and iconography is just to, to convey our theological beliefs.

01:31:51.200 Because we believe unlike Roman Catholics, we think that there's a very, there's very 1.00

01:31:56.440 strict, uh, rules about how you can do icons.

01:31:59.960 You can't, um, for example, you can't paint Jesus as a black dude or, uh, uh, an Asian dude.

01:32:06.740 And the reason for that is because Jesus has to be a Hebrew, right? 0.94

01:32:10.860 He can't be something that he wasn't historically.

01:32:14.020 And we would say it's Gnostic to divorce Christ from his Hebrew lineage. 0.99

01:32:18.880 So he has to look the way that he does and pretty much all Orthodox icons.

01:32:23.380 Um, and the Roman Catholic church is very different.

01:32:25.600 They don't see icons as having a specific liturgical significance.

01:32:30.220 And by that, I mean like the actual ordered worship service.

01:32:33.560 Um, they see it more like religious art.

01:32:36.380 So for us, it's not religious art.

01:32:38.660 It's very different.

01:32:40.020 I'm not, I'm not calling into question.

01:32:42.340 It's like instruction almost.

01:32:43.460 It is.

01:32:44.180 It's a form of catechesis and theological instruction.

01:32:46.540 So, uh, in Roman Catholic world, it's very different.

01:32:49.840 You can have, you know, just weird stuff at the Vatican where like, you know, God is like

01:32:55.380 a big naked old man with a beard touching Adam. 0.84

01:32:59.680 Um, we, we don't think you're actually supposed to paint an image of God, the father at all.

01:33:03.980 So, uh, sometimes people violate that, but strictly speaking, Orthodoxy, you're not supposed

01:33:08.940 to have images of God, the father.

01:33:10.220 Um, that's because Jesus says in the gospels, no one sees the father at any time.

01:33:14.260 And so for us, you know, Jesus goes on to say, uh, if you've seen me, you've seen the

01:33:19.260 father.

01:33:20.000 Paul says that he is the icon of the hypostasis of the father in Hebrews one.

01:33:24.900 So really the only legitimate image in our view of the father is the person of the son.

01:33:30.920 So, um, anyway, those are just some examples of how, uh, the Orthodox position on icons is

01:33:36.900 way different than, than Roman Catholics. 0.61

01:33:40.400 I see.

01:33:41.060 And one more thing when they're reading the scripture, they're reading the scripture and

01:33:44.980 then they'll say like, we're reading it from the book of Matthew, this kind of thing.

01:33:49.580 It's like a droning, but I'm, I'm sure that you are, uh, putting me under some type of a

01:33:55.900 spell when you, when you speak in a certain cadence.

01:33:58.180 So what is that about?

01:33:59.460 This is just actually, uh, inherited from the Hebrew tradition of chanting.

01:34:03.940 So a lot of what you see in the Orthodox worship service is a direct parallel from the Jewish

01:34:10.040 temple service and synagogue service.

01:34:12.340 So in our view, what the apostles did and, and when they went out and set up the churches,

01:34:17.120 they didn't, uh, in scripture, we don't have an actual worship service, but we know that

01:34:23.920 the Jews and even Jesus himself, like when he would go to synagogue, when we go to worship,

01:34:28.000 there was already an existing, very ordered and structured, uh, way to do worship.

01:34:33.380 For example, you have antiphonal singing.

01:34:35.360 Uh, you notice this, uh, for example, when Isaiah and Isaiah six, when he sees them to

01:34:39.480 heaven, he sees the, the seraphim up there doing holy, holy, holy, they're doing a kind

01:34:44.700 of chant.

01:34:45.880 Um, Israel had through David's Psalms.

01:34:48.840 Those are actually to be sung within the temple worship.

01:34:52.800 That was David's intent with a lot of those Psalms.

01:34:55.160 So they're actually part of a structured worship service.

01:34:57.940 And we think that when the apostles set up the churches, they, although it's not in

01:35:03.160 scripture, they gave us a tradition of taking elements of the temple service, elements of

01:35:08.720 the synagogue system that existed, and then giving a basic structure for what we in the

01:35:13.880 Orthodox church think is still the exact same worship that the first, second, third century

01:35:18.660 church did.

01:35:19.280 And if you read somebody like Justin Martyr, for example, in his, uh, in his writings,

01:35:24.940 most famous of which would be his debate with Trifo, the Jew, uh, and his, uh, uh, apology, 0.54

01:35:31.140 his apologetic, he describes the worship service of the church in like 150 AD where he was.

01:35:36.320 And very, it's very similar, all the same basics of the Orthodox worship service today is still

01:35:40.980 there.

01:35:41.380 So the chanting element is just an, uh, uh, a thing that came out of the Hebrew tradition.

01:35:46.420 Um, Jews have people, like if you went to a synagogue service, a lot of times they have

01:35:51.460 what's called a canter.

01:35:52.740 Uh, you know, the, the name cantor amongst Jews comes from the cantor that the guy who's

01:35:57.460 chanting, uh, the, the songs.

01:36:00.100 And so like David's Psalms are meant to be chanted like that.

01:36:04.320 Uh, okay, perfect.

01:36:06.720 Thank, thank you for clearing.

01:36:08.320 If you want to go deeper into that, which by the way, it touches on, uh, your question

01:36:11.700 about the Pope's hat and stuff.

01:36:14.220 Um, there's my buddy Lewis, uh, from Orthodox Shahada.

01:36:18.500 He made a whole documentary.

01:36:19.500 That's really good.

01:36:20.580 It's called, uh, it's called old Testament worship, uh, and the Orthodox church.

01:36:26.740 And it's basically showing all of these parallels of the way, uh, the Orthodox church is basically,

01:36:32.780 we, we believe it's like the, the real Judaism, so to speak, not Babylonian Talmudic Judaism,

01:36:39.320 but like the authentic Hebrew tradition that Jesus wanted his church to have.

01:36:44.520 We think that's what the Orthodox church is.

01:36:47.520 Interesting, man.

01:36:48.380 You know, I, I'm going to have to go back and re-listen to this entire episode and put

01:36:52.080 like, cause you've linked us to a bunch of stuff.

01:36:54.520 I have, uh, your Twitter page linked in the bio.

01:36:56.880 So when we release this, I will go back and like, try my best to put all this stuff in

01:37:02.540 because I'm sure people will want to pause.

01:37:04.180 Um, I'll send you a few links.

01:37:05.620 Like I can remember, like, do you want like a link to all the stuff or just some of the

01:37:09.100 main things that we talked about?

01:37:10.460 I can send you links.

01:37:11.820 Whatever you can remember.

01:37:13.480 Just put it in there.

01:37:14.500 Yeah.

01:37:14.680 Um, you know, I do have one final question and you don't have to go into super depth about

01:37:21.460 it, but, uh, I, I was wondering if you could explain the significance of the Trinity because

01:37:28.360 I've, I literally have one tattooed on my body that I tattooed when I was like 15 years

01:37:32.460 old and I have such a limited understanding of the Trinity that it just feels retarded to 0.96

01:37:38.220 be walking around like this.

01:37:39.260 So, um, what, what is the significance of it?

01:37:42.320 I mean, I know it's the father and the son and the Holy spirit, but that's about the

01:37:45.260 extent of my, my knowledge.

01:37:46.920 Why is this an important, uh, symbol?

01:37:50.000 Yeah.

01:37:50.400 One thing you'll notice in the Orthodox church is very different from even the Catholic church

01:37:54.260 and very different from the Protestant church is like, everything is triadic.

01:37:58.300 Everything is Trinitarian.

01:37:59.880 There's a lot of threes.

01:38:01.300 There's a lot of triplicities.

01:38:03.060 Um, everything is triadic and Trinitarian. 0.70

01:38:05.360 That's because for us, that's the most important doctrine.

01:38:07.980 So for us, the number one, absolute most important doctrine is the Trinity.

01:38:12.780 That's why we couldn't be Roman Catholics because there's not just the issue of the Pope.

01:38:17.800 There's also the issue of the Philly Oakway, which we think is a Trinitarian deviation.

01:38:22.900 So, you know, other groups that we could never agree with like Muslims or Jehovah's Witnesses, 1.00

01:38:27.800 they see the second person of the Godhead Jesus as a, as a person who was created.

01:38:33.460 We think he's the eternal son of God.

01:38:35.800 And although his human nature is created as a divine person, he's not created.

01:38:41.080 He was, he was always there.

01:38:42.780 Uh, as John one says that he was always in the bosom of the father.

01:38:46.140 Uh, I was in the beginning with the word, the words with God, the word was God.

01:38:48.920 So he's the eternal second person of the Godhead, the Holy spirit as well.

01:38:52.600 Um, an easy approach to why this is, we think the actual old Testament teaching is the debate

01:38:59.760 that I did with, uh, the Muslim Daniel Hakikachu. 0.60

01:39:02.840 If you go to that debate, um, the, my opening presentation is just about a 10 minute presentation

01:39:08.760 on how the old Testament is, is a doctrine.

01:39:12.160 The old Testament teaches the Trinity.

01:39:13.520 So for us, that's who God is.

01:39:15.080 And we think that's the number one doctrine.

01:39:19.100 Hmm.

01:39:19.940 All right.

01:39:20.460 That was actually, uh, uh, pretty clarifying.

01:39:24.380 Um, my dog's freaking out over there.

01:39:26.060 Hope you guys can hear that. 1.00

01:39:27.220 Shoot him yet. 1.00

01:39:27.600 I thought you were supposed to shoot. 1.00

01:39:28.420 I'm going to shoot him right after this. 0.99

01:39:30.240 It's weird. 1.00

01:39:30.740 Give me a break, David.

01:39:32.700 Jay, thank you for, uh, thanks for coming on, man.

01:39:36.040 Um, and it's been a kind of a long time coming.

01:39:38.200 And we had a little touch and go there, but, uh, I'm glad that I'm glad that we, we got

01:39:42.800 this done.

01:39:43.220 This is a great conversation.

01:39:44.260 It's exactly, by the way, I figured, I figured, I appreciate you guys having, I figured out

01:39:47.160 what happened there.

01:39:48.280 So when I, when I looked at, when I looked at the podcast name, I saw that XG was following

01:39:54.920 it.

01:39:55.900 Cause he was like the first one that popped up as a follower.

01:39:58.240 So I assumed that that was his podcast and I had not really paid attention to your Twitter,

01:40:03.040 nothing against you, but like, I typically don't watch for the best.

01:40:05.980 Like I don't, I don't typically pay attention to who's like,

01:40:08.200 like tweeting what, cause I'll get wrapped up in a lot of nonsense.

01:40:11.260 So I assumed that you were XG and I thought that this was his podcast, but I wasn't avoiding

01:40:16.120 the podcast because I thought, Oh, well, it's not his podcast.

01:40:19.660 Screw those guys.

01:40:20.340 No, it wasn't that at all. 0.95

01:40:22.000 Then there was a misunderstanding.

01:40:23.200 Cause I didn't know you guys were jokesters. 0.99

01:40:25.240 I thought you were like trying to start shit. 1.00

01:40:26.920 And I was like, why are you trying to start shit? 1.00

01:40:28.500 You want to have a podcast? 0.99

01:40:29.480 Let's do it.

01:40:30.160 Like, but then I did, then I realized you're jokesters. 1.00

01:40:32.080 And then I realized, okay, I was being an idiot and a retard. 0.96

01:40:34.620 So, uh, I apologize to you guys. 0.94

01:40:36.540 So that was my misunderstanding.

01:40:38.200 I liked it better.

01:40:39.140 Jay, when you thought that he just looked like XG that, and then I like, I like it even 1.00

01:40:46.080 better when you realize that we weren't XG and you were like, fuck those guys. 1.00

01:40:51.320 That is way better. 0.99

01:40:52.760 Well, on Twitter, you have like a cartoon outline, right?

01:40:58.540 Yeah.

01:40:58.860 Yeah.

01:40:59.120 Of your head.

01:40:59.920 And I was like, is that XG?

01:41:01.880 It kind of does.

01:41:03.020 As we, as we, we've dissected it and, and XG was on the show where we were on a show with

01:41:07.340 him and I'm looking at him.

01:41:08.700 Like I could see how he sort of, you see these, these are my lesbian glasses. 0.93

01:41:14.020 And if I don't have my lesbian reading glasses on, I just see like a blur, dude. 0.96

01:41:18.760 I can't really see what that is.

01:41:20.040 So amazing.

01:41:21.920 Amazing.

01:41:22.240 Anyway, listen, dude, I'm glad that we could make it happen.

01:41:24.680 And, uh, thank you for spreading this knowledge on us.

01:41:27.740 Like very appreciative.

01:41:29.600 Again, super fan.

01:41:31.360 Awesome.

01:41:31.960 Anytime.

01:41:33.020 Anytime.

01:41:34.260 Absolutely.

01:41:34.840 All right, guys.

01:41:35.360 Uh, we'll catch you tomorrow.

01:41:37.680 I think we might be live again with Ed.

01:41:39.620 Maybe we're going through the entire book of revelation.

01:41:41.580 This is going to be a task.

01:41:42.900 It's going to be probably weeks and weeks of doing this, but tomorrow's episode one installment

01:41:47.900 one.

01:41:48.160 So be there to check it out.

01:41:49.940 Peace out guys.

01:41:50.780 Peace out.

01:41:51.100 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:41:57.160 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:42:00.900 You can persuade you that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:42:06.040 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

01:42:13.240 And they have.

01:42:14.780 And they have.

01:42:14.800 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - June 28, 2025

TIME CAPSULE： 038： Christian Orthodoxy w Jay Dyer

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