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00:01:10.500 Welcome back.

00:01:11.480 Welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. 0.80

00:01:14.920 We are going to, this is a throwback episode, so we're just flying right into it.

00:01:19.000 We're going to be reviewing the episode about Dave Smith that we did like a year ago.

00:01:24.500 The one that Phil Labonte said was like C-list bullshit, like early podcasting day stuff.

00:01:30.340 I thought it was an okay episode. 0.96

00:01:32.100 I thought it was better than he could do.

00:01:33.840 But it comes on the heels, I mean, as we re-air it, it's coming on the heels of Dave's very famous debates,

00:01:40.320 which now he's kind of known for doing, with, what is his name, Douglas Kike-Murray?

00:01:46.840 I forgot his name.

00:01:47.860 I think that was, I didn't know it was Douglas K. Murray, but yeah, I mean, that was him.

00:01:51.860 That was the guy, yeah.

00:01:52.820 So he had this debate.

00:01:56.620 What do you think about it?

00:01:57.860 From the layman's perspective, what did you think about what you saw there?

00:02:02.040 Well, I didn't watch it.

00:02:03.660 Okay, perfect.

00:02:04.100 And that's mostly because, you know, it's debate.

00:02:06.960 Look, I actually hung up my appetite, whatever appetite there ever was for debate, many, many years ago,

00:02:13.660 because of Joe Rogan's podcast, because he had somebody on who was talking about, it was two people.

00:02:18.440 One was representing the plant-based diet.

00:02:22.100 The other one was representing the carnivore diet.

00:02:23.640 And what I discovered was, despite having subjected myself to that four-hour debate,

00:02:29.880 and despite having subjected myself to previous hours' worth of content on diet and nutrition via the Joe Rogan podcast,

00:02:37.260 I still couldn't definitively say that one was the winner and one wasn't.

00:02:44.760 You know what I mean?

00:02:45.220 Like, it was like, there was no definitive answer still after all that time invested.

00:02:49.840 And I realized then that the nature of debate, just the language that people use,

00:02:55.300 it makes it so that it's not really ever about the information.

00:02:58.620 It's about almost like tricking your opponent and getting an advantage over them

00:03:05.320 and kind of like shmearing them, strawmanning them.

00:03:08.180 There's like all kinds of...

00:03:09.080 Shmearing. 1.00

00:03:09.420 Shmearing them, yeah.

00:03:10.280 There's all kinds of debate tactics that make it so that if you can see them,

00:03:14.480 you realize that this is not going to change your mind.

00:03:18.220 And this is just about...

00:03:19.340 It almost evolves into like character assassination.

00:03:21.520 It's ultimately a popularity contest by the end of it.

00:03:24.380 And...

00:03:24.700 That's actually a good...

00:03:25.340 That's a good point to bring in this debate.

00:03:28.420 I'll show you this video of this debate

00:03:30.160 because it's what happened in the Joe Rogan debate.

00:03:33.540 So here we go.

00:03:34.220 You'll see what's going on here.

00:03:35.920 So Douglas Murray is actually debating Douglas Murray

00:03:39.740 on the veracity of using, you know,

00:03:44.360 experts and people who weren't there for their opinion.

00:03:46.560 So here we go.

00:03:47.320 Have you been to the crossing points?

00:03:49.160 I really resent that form of argumentation.

00:03:51.480 When were you last there at all?

00:03:52.940 Sure.

00:03:53.300 I really resent it.

00:03:54.860 You should at least do the courtesy of visiting it.

00:03:57.020 This is not an attractive invitation.

00:03:59.020 I think it's a good idea to see stuff,

00:04:00.760 particularly if you spend a career talking about something.

00:04:03.640 I have the right to talk about whatever the hell I want.

00:04:06.400 And no one's going to stop me or try to intimidate me.

00:04:08.720 And I think that if I said to somebody else the other way around,

00:04:11.500 it would be equally reprehensible.

00:04:13.880 I have a journalistic rule of trying never to talk about a country,

00:04:16.880 even in passing, unless I've at least been there. 0.96

00:04:18.860 If I said, shut up,

00:04:20.300 you have no right to criticise anything that Douglas Murray says because... 0.98

00:04:23.220 Hang on, you're talking about crossing points.

00:04:25.760 And not only have you never been to a crossing point

00:04:27.700 in either Egypt or in Israel,

00:04:29.240 but you've never even been to the region.

00:04:30.800 OK.

00:04:31.600 It's not an exact comparison,

00:04:32.840 but seriously,

00:04:34.000 is that a reasonable form of argument?

00:04:36.860 No.

00:04:37.620 In that case,

00:04:38.620 nobody can talk about anything.

00:04:40.580 We might as well pack up,

00:04:42.240 go home,

00:04:42.900 and isolate ourselves.

00:04:44.200 If you're insisting that you're an expert

00:04:46.160 of some kind,

00:04:48.220 or not claiming you're an expert,

00:04:49.700 but still talking about it,

00:04:51.320 if you've never seen any of this going on...

00:04:54.260 I mean, there are some people who've written about the...

00:04:56.000 I mean, there are people who've written about the Holocaust

00:04:57.420 who didn't experience the Holocaust 0.79

00:04:59.500 and have written about it better than people who did.

00:05:02.000 But that is a different matter

00:05:04.000 from spending an awfully long amount of time

00:05:08.300 talking about an issue in a region

00:05:13.140 you haven't even had the courtesy to visit

00:05:16.020 whilst developing all of these views about it.

00:05:20.760 This idea that the lived experience

00:05:22.920 has to triumph over everything else

00:05:24.800 is not always correct.

00:05:27.220 You should at least know what it is,

00:05:28.460 what the territory is,

00:05:29.560 what the situation is in the region.

00:05:31.360 There's an irony to this,

00:05:32.520 but let's skate over the irony.

00:05:35.160 It's hilarious.

00:05:36.160 So this clip was actually juxtaposed by Tyler Yankee.

00:05:40.500 Oh, that's what Tyler's doing?

00:05:41.860 No.

00:05:42.240 Well, he had taken both clips

00:05:45.260 of that entire interview.

00:05:47.760 He's talking to Lex Friedman. 0.99

00:05:49.020 Thank God we didn't have to fucking listen 0.98

00:05:50.320 to Lex Friedman. 0.99

00:05:51.080 Oh my God, yeah.

00:05:51.420 And when he's talking to Dave Smith

00:05:53.640 and the Joe Rogan experience

00:05:54.700 with the Redback Run, obviously,

00:05:56.340 his idea to Dave was that

00:05:58.520 you're not allowed to speak on these things

00:06:01.040 because you haven't even visited the region.

00:06:03.000 So number one,

00:06:04.160 you have to be an expert

00:06:05.040 to talk about these things.

00:06:06.180 If you're not an expert,

00:06:07.020 you're just a guy saying stuff.

00:06:08.500 Or he called Dave a comedian multiple times

00:06:10.960 and just like insulted him this way.

00:06:12.860 And then Dave didn't have the wherewithal,

00:06:14.660 I suppose,

00:06:15.440 to push back and be like, 1.00

00:06:17.160 fuck you, 1.00

00:06:17.700 you're a British bagot, 1.00

00:06:18.980 literally.

00:06:20.240 And he just kind of let him do that,

00:06:21.940 which I'm like,

00:06:22.460 that's like,

00:06:23.360 that was just beyond the pale.

00:06:24.580 Like you let this guy

00:06:25.600 call you whatever.

00:06:27.900 And he kind of just got away with it.

00:06:29.900 You should have,

00:06:30.700 whatever.

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00:07:11.800 Hashtag make a play.

00:07:13.220 So he goes on to say,

00:07:15.780 like,

00:07:15.880 you have to be an expert

00:07:16.540 to talk about stuff.

00:07:18.020 Otherwise,

00:07:18.660 your opinion's invalid.

00:07:19.980 But on this other podcast here,

00:07:21.320 he's saying,

00:07:22.260 you know,

00:07:22.580 he's like,

00:07:22.840 I resent that completely

00:07:23.880 that you have to have lived experience

00:07:25.500 to talk about it.

00:07:26.320 Because the idea back then was,

00:07:28.220 you're talking about black issues,

00:07:29.740 but you're a British guy, 0.93

00:07:31.860 so you shouldn't be able to,

00:07:32.780 and he's like,

00:07:33.140 I resent it completely.

00:07:33.620 That was the context of that clip?

00:07:35.940 Oh, interesting.

00:07:37.000 Yeah,

00:07:37.200 it's just,

00:07:38.100 so again,

00:07:38.700 like,

00:07:38.860 debate is like not,

00:07:40.680 it's nothing ever truthful.

00:07:42.680 It's just to win an argument.

00:07:44.640 It's never to even make a solid point.

00:07:46.880 And this dude,

00:07:47.460 everybody's so slippery in a debate.

00:07:50.080 You know,

00:07:50.260 it's like trying to grab that,

00:07:51.500 like,

00:07:51.780 really wet soap,

00:07:53.020 you know,

00:07:53.300 or something.

00:07:53.920 It just,

00:07:54.600 it feels like that's the objective

00:07:55.880 is to squirm out of your opponent's grasp

00:07:57.660 over and over again.

00:07:58.560 It's a matter of like,

00:08:00.040 trying to pin down your opponent

00:08:01.700 and accuse them of something

00:08:03.740 or say that they misrepresented something

00:08:05.860 or they misunderstood something.

00:08:07.080 And their entire thing

00:08:08.160 is just to squeam,

00:08:09.080 you know,

00:08:09.220 to squirm out of that.

00:08:09.940 It feels very much like

00:08:11.380 it's verbal wrestling,

00:08:13.860 like actual,

00:08:14.420 like Greco-Roman verbal wrestling.

00:08:16.760 Yeah,

00:08:16.880 but both guys are lubed up.

00:08:18.360 And in this exchange,

00:08:19.840 Dave,

00:08:20.240 your wrestling partner 0.99

00:08:21.700 is a gay man. 0.98

00:08:22.840 Yeah.

00:08:23.600 So,

00:08:23.980 which makes this extraordinarily,

00:08:26.400 I mean, 0.96

00:08:26.880 exponentially more gay 0.98

00:08:28.600 than it should have, 0.99

00:08:29.480 should have have to been.

00:08:30.920 Shouldn't it?

00:08:31.360 Doesn't it?

00:08:31.860 I'm not,

00:08:32.380 I don't know this guy,

00:08:33.200 Douglas Murray,

00:08:33.660 but I'm imagining that

00:08:34.960 this is his modality,

00:08:36.280 right?

00:08:36.700 When he becomes like,

00:08:37.600 when he gets into a public speaking

00:08:39.300 sort of a situation,

00:08:40.900 he's combative

00:08:42.640 or he's using debate tactics,

00:08:44.080 but like,

00:08:44.620 he just strikes me as somebody

00:08:45.640 that this is his thing.

00:08:47.200 And look,

00:08:47.720 you're not going to get on Rogan

00:08:48.680 and have a debate

00:08:49.540 if you're,

00:08:50.020 if it's not your thing,

00:08:50.860 if you're not,

00:08:51.560 you know,

00:08:51.980 into doing or familiar with debating.

00:08:54.000 And so,

00:08:54.860 it strikes me as significant

00:08:56.620 that

00:08:57.100 if he has carved out

00:08:59.640 a career

00:09:00.760 or any notoriety

00:09:02.040 by way of debate,

00:09:03.080 but then you look

00:09:04.060 at his own opinions

00:09:05.320 and they're completely

00:09:06.040 in opposition to one another

00:09:07.200 to the extent

00:09:07.740 where you can make him

00:09:08.620 debate himself

00:09:09.500 if you clip it the right way,

00:09:11.420 that should tell you

00:09:12.840 everything you need

00:09:13.640 to know about debate

00:09:14.460 is it can make a man

00:09:15.860 who is deceitful

00:09:16.860 successful.

00:09:18.840 Yeah,

00:09:19.500 he's,

00:09:19.880 he's extremely deceitful.

00:09:21.880 So,

00:09:22.460 the way this,

00:09:23.240 this argument went

00:09:24.060 is he came in

00:09:25.020 to the debate

00:09:26.160 and immediately

00:09:27.320 called out

00:09:29.040 like Jake Shields

00:09:30.060 and Ian Carroll.

00:09:31.000 I think,

00:09:31.300 I think Ian Carroll 0.98

00:09:31.980 might be gay. 0.98

00:09:32.560 He called him out. 0.95

00:09:34.000 He called out

00:09:34.620 Dave Smith.

00:09:37.160 Possibly.

00:09:38.380 He called out Dave Smith

00:09:39.500 for being

00:09:40.160 just a comedian

00:09:41.080 but talking about things

00:09:42.280 that might bring up

00:09:43.300 harmful issues.

00:09:44.800 So,

00:09:45.000 it's like,

00:09:45.540 basically,

00:09:46.240 his argument to Joe Rogan,

00:09:47.600 he wasn't even talking to Dave.

00:09:48.800 He was talking directly to Joe

00:09:49.920 and he was like,

00:09:50.820 how come you give these people

00:09:52.140 a platform

00:09:52.720 and they do these things

00:09:54.160 like you should really think

00:09:55.220 about this

00:09:55.660 before you do this.

00:09:56.480 So,

00:09:56.620 it was a struggle session

00:09:57.560 for like 30,

00:09:58.840 40 minutes. 0.99

00:09:59.780 So gay. 1.00

00:10:00.720 He's super gay. 0.99

00:10:01.460 Then it got to the point 0.99

00:10:02.620 where,

00:10:03.000 you know,

00:10:03.820 Dave's whole point

00:10:04.500 was like,

00:10:05.060 hey,

00:10:05.380 you know, 0.84

00:10:06.060 they're murdering kids,

00:10:07.660 babies in Gaza

00:10:08.780 just to try to flush out

00:10:11.140 terrorism,

00:10:11.780 which you,

00:10:12.740 this guy actually admits

00:10:14.080 that like,

00:10:14.900 you're never going to get rid

00:10:15.920 of this terrorist agency.

00:10:17.420 It's an idea.

00:10:18.440 It's not a government.

00:10:19.580 You're just making,

00:10:20.300 honestly,

00:10:20.560 you're making more of them

00:10:21.380 by doing this.

00:10:22.340 But what you're doing 0.83

00:10:23.580 is bombing them

00:10:24.340 and he's like,

00:10:24.740 oh,

00:10:24.920 well,

00:10:25.040 there's a cost.

00:10:25.700 So then Dave's like,

00:10:26.540 okay,

00:10:26.760 so is the cost 15,000 children,

00:10:28.900 you know,

00:10:29.140 with their limbs

00:10:29.840 and heads blown off?

00:10:31.600 Is that the cost?

00:10:32.480 Because if it's a cost

00:10:33.480 and just say yes

00:10:34.240 and then we can agree

00:10:35.120 to disagree and move on

00:10:36.820 and the guy's just

00:10:37.800 very slippery.

00:10:38.780 So I reject the premise,

00:10:40.520 this kind of thing.

00:10:41.280 I reject the premise

00:10:42.020 of that and it's like,

00:10:42.720 see,

00:10:43.080 how does that feel,

00:10:43.700 Dave?

00:10:44.280 How does it feel

00:10:44.820 to have your premise

00:10:45.740 rejected so?

00:10:46.140 Well,

00:10:46.320 that was the thing

00:10:46.960 that I noticed

00:10:48.080 about Dave Smith,

00:10:49.240 who I am a fan of,

00:10:50.540 but I recognize

00:10:51.820 that no one

00:10:52.960 has ever communicated

00:10:55.460 with me in that way.

00:10:57.840 And I mean that

00:10:58.720 very seriously.

00:10:59.480 I've communicated with,

00:11:00.600 it's not like my show

00:11:01.300 was big,

00:11:01.880 but I used to interview

00:11:02.720 people all the time.

00:11:03.560 I've interviewed

00:11:04.000 over hundreds of people.

00:11:06.060 Not a huge accomplishment

00:11:07.320 by any stretch,

00:11:08.340 but it's like,

00:11:09.120 I've got a pretty good

00:11:10.000 sample size of how people

00:11:11.080 tend to interact with me.

00:11:12.260 There are those who have,

00:11:13.820 I'm not saying this is Dave,

00:11:14.900 but there are those

00:11:15.480 who have something to hide

00:11:16.500 and me and those people

00:11:17.980 don't really mesh that well,

00:11:19.280 but there are those

00:11:20.040 who are like really genuine

00:11:21.060 and don't have any kind

00:11:23.040 of baggage going into

00:11:23.920 an interaction with me.

00:11:24.800 Those people mesh

00:11:25.440 really well with me.

00:11:26.400 This is the first time

00:11:27.060 I had anybody say anything

00:11:28.840 to me like I reject

00:11:30.740 the premise to which

00:11:31.840 I wanted to respond.

00:11:33.160 I don't understand

00:11:33.920 the statement.

00:11:34.920 I mean that seriously, 1.00

00:11:36.140 like I'm stupid. 0.99

00:11:37.220 I've never had anybody 0.99

00:11:38.140 say to me in conversation

00:11:39.880 that they reject my premise.

00:11:41.540 I'm like, 0.99

00:11:41.980 that's fucking, 0.99

00:11:42.860 I feel like I just got hit 1.00

00:11:43.840 with like a robot.

00:11:44.900 Like it was a really,

00:11:45.860 it was actually

00:11:46.420 a frustrating episode

00:11:47.400 because it felt a lot

00:11:50.300 like I was dealing

00:11:50.920 with somebody

00:11:51.380 who couldn't answer

00:11:52.500 the question,

00:11:53.100 what if you didn't

00:11:53.540 have breakfast this morning?

00:11:54.980 Right?

00:11:55.400 And it was like,

00:11:55.920 instead of saying like,

00:11:56.760 but I did have breakfast,

00:11:58.020 it's them saying,

00:11:59.540 I reject the premise

00:12:00.580 of that question.

00:12:01.560 It's like,

00:12:02.080 because here,

00:12:02.580 here's what happened.

00:12:03.340 I guess so you guys

00:12:04.040 will be listening

00:12:04.620 to the episode

00:12:05.260 in a couple of minutes

00:12:06.140 that this will be paired

00:12:07.300 with the episode

00:12:08.360 of Dave Smith

00:12:09.060 and Clint Russell

00:12:10.000 and us right after.

00:12:12.520 But I think something

00:12:14.140 similar happened here.

00:12:15.240 And again,

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00:12:59.320 You know, 1.00

00:12:59.900 talk shit about Dave 0.99

00:13:01.000 and all this stuff. 0.99

00:13:01.660 I mean, whatever.

00:13:02.160 We'll do it anyway.

00:13:02.900 This is something

00:13:03.480 that I do on Tower Game

00:13:04.380 where I'm making fun.

00:13:05.100 But I think what happened here

00:13:06.720 with, so with Douglas Murray,

00:13:08.440 Dave had a debate with him

00:13:10.400 that attacked this weird

00:13:14.080 underbelly of his ideology.

00:13:18.620 And that's Israel.

00:13:19.980 And at the very bottom of it,

00:13:21.280 people were like,

00:13:21.800 oh, this debate was about experts.

00:13:23.640 This debate was about

00:13:24.520 lived experiences.

00:13:25.820 This debate was about,

00:13:26.880 you know, 0.99

00:13:27.820 fucking, I don't know, 0.99

00:13:28.720 war in the middle. 0.99

00:13:29.400 No, it was about-

00:13:30.220 It was about Jews. 0.51

00:13:31.420 It was, unfortunately,

00:13:32.820 it was about Jews.

00:13:33.460 This guy is married to a Jew.

00:13:36.020 He's been to Israel.

00:13:37.080 He's been given awards.

00:13:38.160 He's specifically been given awards

00:13:39.500 for his courageous,

00:13:41.660 outspoken rhetoric

00:13:43.120 after October 7th,

00:13:45.320 the October 7th attacks,

00:13:46.900 which he was also allowed

00:13:48.500 to squirm out of with Dave.

00:13:50.000 Dave was like,

00:13:50.640 hey, listen,

00:13:51.640 there's some evidence here

00:13:53.460 that of Netanyahu

00:13:55.760 and the guy,

00:13:56.940 Ehud Barak,

00:13:57.940 the guy that preceded him,

00:13:59.240 saying that they actually supported

00:14:01.120 the funding of Hamas

00:14:03.380 in Gaza.

00:14:05.100 They supported that

00:14:06.040 for whatever reason.

00:14:07.640 I don't know.

00:14:08.120 They supported it.

00:14:08.780 So now when I look at

00:14:10.160 the October 7th attacks

00:14:11.620 and I'm like,

00:14:12.440 oh, wow,

00:14:12.720 what a tragedy.

00:14:13.860 So a bunch of guys

00:14:14.500 with towels on their heads 1.00

00:14:15.520 and fucking, 1.00

00:14:16.240 I think like the original thing 1.00

00:14:17.580 was that they came in

00:14:18.600 with like paragliders

00:14:19.620 with fans,

00:14:20.500 hand gliders

00:14:21.100 with fans on their backs

00:14:22.060 and like, you know,

00:14:23.140 Uzis 1.00

00:14:23.560 and they shot this place up

00:14:24.940 and I was like,

00:14:25.460 oh, but they did that. 1.00

00:14:27.440 They flew into a rave

00:14:28.500 and then they breached

00:14:29.520 your border,

00:14:30.340 your Iron Dome

00:14:31.080 and they were there

00:14:32.100 for seven hours

00:14:32.880 before there was a response.

00:14:34.500 I don't know 0.99

00:14:34.860 how fucking big Israel is, 0.99

00:14:36.360 but I assume 0.99

00:14:37.260 that you probably have

00:14:38.360 like within 30 minutes

00:14:39.580 the IDF

00:14:40.320 is pretty much anywhere.

00:14:42.200 So seven hours,

00:14:43.520 no response

00:14:44.160 from an organization

00:14:46.020 that you guys

00:14:47.400 are on record,

00:14:49.100 recorded,

00:14:50.120 saying that you support

00:14:51.320 the funding of.

00:14:52.740 As a conspiracy theorist,

00:14:53.980 it sounds awful lot

00:14:55.340 like you wanted

00:14:56.380 that to happen

00:14:57.100 so that you could

00:14:58.020 do this response.

00:14:59.500 But Douglas Murray

00:15:00.240 rejected the premise

00:15:01.280 immediately.

00:15:02.700 He's like,

00:15:02.880 I reject the premise. 0.99

00:15:04.140 It's asinine 0.96

00:15:05.340 that you would say 0.98

00:15:06.720 that Israel supported 0.67

00:15:08.800 the funding of Hamas,

00:15:10.360 the terrorist agency.

00:15:11.520 It's like, 1.00

00:15:11.700 but they fucking did 0.99

00:15:12.680 with his own words. 0.99

00:15:13.820 And then he'll,

00:15:14.520 he even goes further

00:15:15.400 to say the gaslighting

00:15:16.360 in this episode

00:15:16.700 was tremendous,

00:15:17.320 but he even goes further

00:15:17.920 to say like,

00:15:18.600 oh, so you just,

00:15:20.660 you'll just,

00:15:21.120 you know,

00:15:21.820 cherry pick.

00:15:22.980 Like, so when the IDF

00:15:24.580 says something

00:15:25.100 or when Mossad

00:15:26.200 says something,

00:15:27.100 then you just believe

00:15:27.880 it then.

00:15:28.800 And Dave's like,

00:15:29.240 yeah, I kind of believe

00:15:29.860 when they tell me,

00:15:30.620 you know,

00:15:31.520 the things that they're

00:15:32.200 doing wrong

00:15:32.840 and they kind of

00:15:33.720 just let that slip.

00:15:34.400 I believe that.

00:15:35.340 And then I also

00:15:35.940 parse through their lies.

00:15:37.720 But anyway,

00:15:38.700 getting off track here,

00:15:40.140 what happened was

00:15:41.080 is that Dave

00:15:41.740 and Doug

00:15:42.980 had this debate

00:15:44.700 where it's almost

00:15:46.820 indefensible,

00:15:47.880 especially at this point

00:15:48.780 where,

00:15:49.060 because it's been laid bare

00:15:49.860 that Israel is just 0.99

00:15:50.860 kind of demonic, 1.00

00:15:52.680 kind of garbage. 1.00

00:15:54.380 And with our, 0.99

00:15:55.960 it wasn't even a debate

00:15:57.060 with Dave.

00:15:57.560 I wanted to have a discussion,

00:15:58.860 but it kind of turned

00:15:59.540 a little contentious

00:16:00.380 because you got,

00:16:01.080 you started getting

00:16:01.540 frustrated with them.

00:16:02.680 It was about

00:16:03.360 God and liberty.

00:16:05.740 And these two things

00:16:07.460 coexist.

00:16:08.260 And I know Dave,

00:16:09.580 you know,

00:16:09.880 his son had surgery

00:16:11.020 from,

00:16:12.420 as a child

00:16:13.000 and he saw that

00:16:14.180 as like a miracle.

00:16:14.860 Like he's seeing

00:16:15.600 his daughter born

00:16:16.400 and was like,

00:16:16.680 he was like,

00:16:16.900 this is a miracle.

00:16:17.620 He's like,

00:16:17.980 I started,

00:16:18.480 I started to believe

00:16:19.260 that there was a God,

00:16:20.840 period.

00:16:21.260 That was my,

00:16:22.340 my question to Dave

00:16:23.740 was in regards

00:16:25.340 to the tenacity

00:16:26.220 that he absorbs,

00:16:27.540 you know,

00:16:27.960 political literature

00:16:29.100 and,

00:16:30.100 and,

00:16:30.320 and,

00:16:30.620 you know,

00:16:31.240 works constantly

00:16:32.180 to have this understanding

00:16:33.220 of geopolitics

00:16:34.240 and things like that.

00:16:36.100 If you have this big moment

00:16:37.880 where you realize

00:16:38.840 that God is real

00:16:40.640 because you,

00:16:41.260 you had a child,

00:16:42.440 how does that realization

00:16:43.980 not take precedence,

00:16:45.440 at least in regards

00:16:46.480 to your,

00:16:47.060 your fascination?

00:16:48.520 You know what I mean?

00:16:48.880 Like,

00:16:49.100 it's like,

00:16:49.540 that's really,

00:16:50.060 I was just trying to,

00:16:51.260 and then of course

00:16:52.840 he's rejecting that premise.

00:16:54.220 I believe was his actual response

00:16:55.960 to that.

00:16:56.260 But I don't even understand

00:16:57.120 the premise

00:16:57.560 that was being rejected there.

00:16:59.040 I need to,

00:16:59.460 I should re-listen to the episode,

00:17:00.780 but what exactly?

00:17:01.920 It was hard because

00:17:02.660 I think I kind of

00:17:05.180 laid back for the first half

00:17:06.960 and then once we started

00:17:08.260 wading into more like

00:17:09.300 religious,

00:17:09.800 spiritual waters

00:17:10.580 and conspiratorial waters

00:17:11.940 is when I started to,

00:17:13.000 to pipe up a little bit.

00:17:14.680 But I was,

00:17:15.220 like I said,

00:17:15.960 it's a weird interview for Dave

00:17:17.120 because like,

00:17:17.800 so he knows me

00:17:18.580 from the like,

00:17:19.180 a libertarian background

00:17:20.160 and I brought him on

00:17:21.740 and I told him

00:17:22.440 that I wanted,

00:17:23.060 what I wanted to talk about.

00:17:24.220 He was,

00:17:24.720 it was off the heels

00:17:25.340 of the debate

00:17:25.860 that he had

00:17:26.320 with that guy,

00:17:26.960 Andrew from...

00:17:27.880 Yeah,

00:17:27.940 I wanted to talk about that.

00:17:29.200 The,

00:17:29.320 the,

00:17:29.640 the COVID lockdown era

00:17:31.720 debate with Andrew Cuomo

00:17:33.560 was...

00:17:34.120 No,

00:17:34.300 no,

00:17:34.480 the other,

00:17:34.860 the other Andrew.

00:17:35.940 Anthony Cuomo.

00:17:38.660 Wait,

00:17:39.140 the other Andrew?

00:17:39.620 I'm talking about the,

00:17:40.780 the,

00:17:41.200 one of them is a CNN reporter

00:17:42.640 and the other one

00:17:43.320 was the governor of New York.

00:17:45.060 No,

00:17:45.420 the guy that,

00:17:46.120 the guy that pushed him

00:17:47.940 on,

00:17:48.400 he,

00:17:50.400 he's,

00:17:50.720 he's on like the whatever show

00:17:51.900 we were supposed to interview

00:17:53.100 his wife.

00:17:54.120 Oh,

00:17:54.260 he had a debate

00:17:55.060 with Andrew Wilson,

00:17:56.740 I think is that guy's last name.

00:17:58.880 Yeah,

00:17:59.180 and Andrew was not fair

00:18:01.600 in that debate,

00:18:02.220 but it was very much like

00:18:03.440 a debate

00:18:04.140 or an argument

00:18:05.120 on like religious ends,

00:18:06.520 sort of,

00:18:07.220 like,

00:18:07.480 like how this coincides

00:18:08.840 with liberty.

00:18:09.260 They were talking past each other

00:18:10.440 and then Andrew used

00:18:11.660 a bunch of debate tactics

00:18:12.800 that I was like,

00:18:13.300 this is just like

00:18:14.060 not going anywhere

00:18:15.360 and it was just very weird.

00:18:17.100 Yeah.

00:18:17.200 So I was like,

00:18:17.800 I told Dave,

00:18:18.360 I was like,

00:18:18.540 I want to discuss this stuff

00:18:19.580 with you.

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00:19:00.520 Hashtag make a play.

00:19:03.060 And he said,

00:19:03.920 yeah,

00:19:04.120 to come on to discuss that,

00:19:05.140 but I still think that

00:19:06.340 maybe he forgot,

00:19:08.140 but he's like,

00:19:08.580 oh yeah,

00:19:09.080 top,

00:19:09.520 we're going to talk

00:19:10.280 about Rothbard.

00:19:11.420 I'm like, 0.98

00:19:11.640 I'm not fucking talking 0.98

00:19:12.500 about Mises or Rothbard. 0.98

00:19:13.980 Like,

00:19:14.080 we've already,

00:19:15.140 I've done that before.

00:19:16.320 I've been on like

00:19:17.080 Josh Smith's show

00:19:17.920 with this guy

00:19:18.460 and we've,

00:19:19.040 you know,

00:19:19.660 I don't want to do that.

00:19:21.180 We're past that.

00:19:22.400 So,

00:19:22.780 he brought that up

00:19:23.840 a couple of times

00:19:24.300 and I was like,

00:19:25.700 that doesn't matter here.

00:19:26.780 I don't care what 0.98

00:19:27.260 some dead Jew said. 0.98

00:19:27.980 I'm talking about

00:19:28.440 a different dead Jew 0.61

00:19:29.220 and what they said.

00:19:30.500 The thing is,

00:19:32.000 is like,

00:19:32.800 I recognize that

00:19:33.980 some of these people

00:19:34.860 are used to being

00:19:36.120 put in a position

00:19:36.920 where like, 1.00

00:19:37.900 motherfuckers are going 1.00

00:19:38.480 to try to gotcha. 1.00

00:19:39.540 You know what I mean?

00:19:40.020 Yeah.

00:19:40.340 And like,

00:19:41.060 I don't operate that way.

00:19:42.960 I don't have a history

00:19:44.080 of walking anybody

00:19:45.500 into a trap

00:19:46.320 or anything like that.

00:19:47.560 Literally hasn't happened,

00:19:48.520 never done it once.

00:19:50.040 And so,

00:19:51.100 it's weird

00:19:52.040 because all I do

00:19:52.880 is set out

00:19:53.400 to have a genuine

00:19:54.140 interaction with somebody.

00:19:55.700 And when I'm,

00:19:56.240 when I'm meeting

00:19:56.860 like debate tactics,

00:19:58.320 I'm like, 1.00

00:19:58.760 this is autopilot shit. 1.00

00:20:00.540 This is a routine 1.00

00:20:01.460 that you've worked at

00:20:02.580 and developed.

00:20:03.780 This isn't genuine.

00:20:05.280 This is how you navigate people

00:20:06.840 who are trying to like,

00:20:08.240 you know,

00:20:08.580 catch you in some salacious moment. 1.00

00:20:10.180 Not my fucking MO. 1.00

00:20:11.800 Trying to have a conversation 1.00

00:20:12.720 about God with you.

00:20:13.820 I really want to know,

00:20:15.360 like the,

00:20:16.020 I want to know

00:20:16.540 how you think,

00:20:18.180 like he just wasn't understanding.

00:20:19.660 I was like,

00:20:19.880 how do you,

00:20:20.340 how does God mix

00:20:21.460 with this idea of liberty?

00:20:23.140 Because when you look

00:20:24.800 at the libertarian movement

00:20:25.980 and what it is

00:20:26.920 and what it's become,

00:20:27.660 especially,

00:20:28.640 you go,

00:20:28.940 how did this thing fail so badly?

00:20:30.640 And it's like,

00:20:31.380 because it,

00:20:32.580 I call it,

00:20:33.460 some people call it Satanism.

00:20:35.140 What does it say?

00:20:35.800 Not,

00:20:36.060 not walk us until a trap.

00:20:38.700 What was the pick

00:20:39.860 about an hour ago?

00:20:40.720 Yeah,

00:20:40.940 no,

00:20:41.140 we asked you

00:20:41.660 if you wanted to see that.

00:20:43.160 You guys said one,

00:20:44.100 two,

00:20:44.260 three,

00:20:44.520 which means yes.

00:20:45.480 That's true.

00:20:46.020 You've consented technically.

00:20:47.440 I believe you typed in one,

00:20:48.780 two,

00:20:48.900 three.

00:20:49.040 I remember that.

00:20:49.760 Yeah,

00:20:49.900 you did.

00:20:50.140 Pull up the receipts,

00:20:51.460 baby boy.

00:20:53.340 So with,

00:20:54.400 with Dave,

00:20:55.420 and the idea of like liberty

00:20:59.060 and or the libertarianism

00:21:00.640 and what like the fruit

00:21:01.540 that it's,

00:21:02.040 it's bore,

00:21:03.360 we were asking like

00:21:04.540 how these two things

00:21:06.040 coincide.

00:21:07.260 Because as I was saying,

00:21:09.300 some people call libertarianism

00:21:11.060 like close to Satanism

00:21:12.960 or even,

00:21:13.760 yeah,

00:21:14.540 close to Crowley,

00:21:15.580 isn't it?

00:21:15.980 Crowley,

00:21:16.620 like Crowley's ideology,

00:21:19.360 do as I will.

00:21:20.300 And it does,

00:21:20.900 it does.

00:21:21.520 But it also is very close

00:21:23.020 to the Christian ethos

00:21:24.460 is there's a thing here.

00:21:26.100 There's a small linchpin

00:21:27.480 where I think if you put like God

00:21:28.840 right in the center

00:21:29.520 of libertarianism,

00:21:30.760 it would make a lot of sense.

00:21:33.320 But they have removed it completely

00:21:35.460 and thrown it away

00:21:36.400 because they're like,

00:21:37.080 oh,

00:21:37.260 no authority,

00:21:38.060 no rulers,

00:21:38.660 no leaders.

00:21:39.100 It's like,

00:21:39.500 okay,

00:21:39.740 but there is.

00:21:41.740 Yeah.

00:21:41.860 And you're going to have to choose one.

00:21:44.080 So you've chosen none,

00:21:45.500 which means you've chosen

00:21:46.340 everything else but God.

00:21:47.940 That's the reality of it.

00:21:49.120 And then you see what it gets you. 0.98

00:21:51.060 You get a gay dude and a cop 0.98

00:21:52.560 as your presidential candidate. 0.97

00:21:54.080 You get a bunch of people

00:21:55.160 with jean jackets and pins on.

00:21:57.540 They smell,

00:21:58.280 they can't brush their teeth. 1.00

00:21:59.240 They're all autistic. 1.00

00:22:00.460 And they're,

00:22:01.240 they're,

00:22:01.880 they're largely confused.

00:22:03.520 So the question that I was asking Dave

00:22:05.860 in that interview

00:22:06.920 or like that,

00:22:07.480 we were trying to get,

00:22:08.280 what I was trying to get it.

00:22:09.160 I don't,

00:22:09.400 I don't know exactly

00:22:10.080 what you were trying to ask him,

00:22:11.060 but I was like,

00:22:12.440 why if this,

00:22:15.180 like this integral part

00:22:16.580 is right here

00:22:17.500 and you believe in it,

00:22:20.200 why are you,

00:22:21.060 why do you shy away from it so much?

00:22:22.600 I know it's not going to be popular,

00:22:23.900 but the reality is

00:22:26.580 there's a bunch of young men

00:22:27.760 and women in this movement here 0.92

00:22:29.420 that are completely lost.

00:22:32.000 You've seen it.

00:22:32.860 He's traveled the country

00:22:33.880 and seen all of the,

00:22:35.600 everything that they have to offer.

00:22:36.840 You go to the national convention

00:22:38.240 and you're like,

00:22:38.960 geez,

00:22:40.080 man, 1.00

00:22:40.660 this is pathetic. 1.00

00:22:41.820 People need God. 0.99

00:22:44.600 People need,

00:22:45.640 they need God in there.

00:22:46.880 But like,

00:22:47.500 if you went in there

00:22:48.560 and you started to like preach God,

00:22:50.660 Oh yeah,

00:22:50.960 it would never work.

00:22:52.000 No,

00:22:52.240 it would be like an exorcism.

00:22:54.960 But the thing that I do like,

00:22:56.520 what I like about Dave though,

00:22:57.700 is that

00:22:58.140 he does a thing

00:22:59.700 where

00:23:00.440 like,

00:23:01.620 when I look at him

00:23:02.520 and I see him talk

00:23:03.540 and I see how he behaves,

00:23:05.800 he is,

00:23:06.460 he's exemplifying God

00:23:09.200 in my opinion,

00:23:10.320 in his actions,

00:23:11.620 how he behaves

00:23:12.380 with his marriage,

00:23:13.160 with his children,

00:23:13.980 with the way he carries himself.

00:23:15.260 I'm like,

00:23:15.900 yeah,

00:23:16.640 that's like,

00:23:17.140 these are all of the qualities

00:23:18.800 that somebody who believes in God

00:23:21.240 would present with.

00:23:24.540 But again,

00:23:25.680 I'm not being like,

00:23:26.420 go out there

00:23:26.840 and preach the gospel, Dave.

00:23:28.060 But I was just trying

00:23:29.040 to have a conversation about like,

00:23:30.120 I think this is important

00:23:31.080 to put here.

00:23:32.400 And I think that he is doing it

00:23:33.600 the same way I told,

00:23:34.360 I told Clint a long time ago.

00:23:36.200 He was like,

00:23:36.780 I don't believe in God.

00:23:37.440 And I was like,

00:23:38.180 but you act as if you do.

00:23:40.320 And he's like,

00:23:40.540 I don't know what that means.

00:23:41.700 And I was like,

00:23:42.180 well,

00:23:42.300 look at when you walk around,

00:23:43.780 you act as if you do believe in God,

00:23:45.520 that there is a higher power.

00:23:46.740 You're put together.

00:23:47.580 You're creating examples

00:23:48.780 for like the greater good.

00:23:50.840 Now,

00:23:51.040 there is,

00:23:52.260 there's like a difference

00:23:53.200 between acting

00:23:54.120 like you believe in God

00:23:55.360 and then actively believing in God.

00:23:57.340 Because I feel like

00:23:58.800 you take the next step there.

00:24:01.280 And then the next step also

00:24:02.200 is like just telling people like,

00:24:03.280 you know,

00:24:03.420 I believe in God.

00:24:04.160 I think that that's really important

00:24:05.240 in this puzzle

00:24:06.840 that we're trying to put together.

00:24:07.800 And I feel like that's what I was trying

00:24:09.520 to express to Dave.

00:24:10.800 We had some like communication issues

00:24:12.560 with like my microphone at the time

00:24:13.960 for whatever reason.

00:24:14.920 You'll see.

00:24:15.340 Oh yeah,

00:24:15.500 it was ducking you out, 0.97

00:24:16.900 which meant that they couldn't hear you

00:24:18.620 when you were trying to like interject

00:24:20.260 or even start a point.

00:24:21.940 The whole thing was frustrating in that way.

00:24:24.360 And I don't know.

00:24:25.540 I mean,

00:24:26.240 I definitely hear what you're saying.

00:24:27.820 And it just,

00:24:29.500 my question was a really simple one,

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00:25:15.740 And I understand why he can't do it

00:25:17.780 if he can't do it.

00:25:20.220 But my question was more along the lines of like,

00:25:22.520 if you've seen your thing.

00:25:23.660 Can you see it?

00:25:24.220 Yeah.

00:25:24.560 Yeah.

00:25:24.820 If you've seen it,

00:25:26.240 why aren't you moving towards it?

00:25:28.840 And I know if you,

00:25:30.360 especially Dave Smith,

00:25:31.340 you think about it,

00:25:31.800 he comes from a comedy

00:25:33.000 and a politics place, right?

00:25:34.680 That's his place.

00:25:36.360 And those two spaces...

00:25:38.620 He was an atheistic Brooklyn kid 0.75

00:25:41.460 that had a Jewish mother,

00:25:43.060 not raised Jewish,

00:25:44.080 but atheistic,

00:25:46.080 in the left-wing New York City comedy crowd.

00:25:49.720 Yeah.

00:25:50.260 So I get it,

00:25:51.000 but hey, man.

00:25:52.620 But that's what I'm saying is like,

00:25:54.100 I think that is,

00:25:56.740 and I think that's why I ran,

00:25:57.840 look,

00:25:58.100 I'm not trying to psychoanalyze Dave Smith,

00:26:00.760 but part of me feels like 0.98

00:26:02.640 that's why I ran into that weird fucking labyrinth 0.98

00:26:05.080 of debate speak, 0.98

00:26:06.600 which wasn't very extensive.

00:26:07.900 It's not like he did this to me over and over again.

00:26:09.440 It happened probably like a good three times,

00:26:10.900 whatever.

00:26:12.040 But it was like a stopper

00:26:14.020 in the momentum of the conversation.

00:26:15.900 And I felt as though it was a defense mechanism

00:26:18.080 instead of like an actual intrigue

00:26:20.100 and exploration of a topic.

00:26:21.440 It was like,

00:26:22.260 for some reason,

00:26:22.760 a shield was going up at the mention of it.

00:26:24.960 And I think that that shield

00:26:27.180 probably exists because of comedy,

00:26:30.100 New York City,

00:26:30.940 atheism,

00:26:31.760 left-leaning politics, 1.00

00:26:33.140 all that shit. 0.99

00:26:33.660 But I feel like though, 1.00

00:26:35.380 because he's,

00:26:36.180 I know he's disgusted with Lewis

00:26:37.740 and Lewis is like,

00:26:38.720 you know,

00:26:39.440 Lewis is,

00:26:40.060 I don't know what he believes,

00:26:41.260 but he's just not,

00:26:42.660 he doesn't even want to entertain that.

00:26:44.420 He doesn't like to entertain the politics,

00:26:45.700 doesn't like to entertain the religious.

00:26:47.660 He's very happy in his little bubble

00:26:49.460 and that's fine,

00:26:50.560 you know,

00:26:50.980 but when you step into the political realm

00:26:53.240 and you're trying to do this,

00:26:54.780 like changing of humanity kind of thing,

00:26:58.000 you're going to have to deal with these issues.

00:26:59.800 So like Lewis,

00:27:00.540 if like when I talk to him,

00:27:01.860 I'm like,

00:27:02.260 why would I ever bring that up?

00:27:03.820 With him.

00:27:04.440 We're not talking about, 0.99

00:27:05.160 we're talking about dick jokes. 0.99

00:27:06.460 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:27:07.140 We'll keep it contextual there.

00:27:09.040 But with Dave,

00:27:09.820 when you're talking about this bigger picture,

00:27:11.260 then you have to mention this.

00:27:12.820 And I feel like the,

00:27:13.880 what we were talking about,

00:27:14.920 this idea of not necessarily religion,

00:27:17.280 but like spirituality,

00:27:17.960 it goes hand in hand with liberty,

00:27:20.420 but it,

00:27:21.000 it sweeps the leg of the libertarian movement.

00:27:23.640 So to address it,

00:27:25.600 like to address your question head on

00:27:27.760 would mean that he would have to then,

00:27:29.920 in some ways he would have to like,

00:27:36.440 not renounce,

00:27:37.280 but like step back from some of these ideas,

00:27:39.700 these libertarian ideas,

00:27:40.940 which are part of his personality.

00:27:43.900 And,

00:27:44.180 and he holds a lot of conviction with,

00:27:46.280 which I,

00:27:46.780 again,

00:27:46.980 I,

00:27:47.300 I think a lot of his libertarian ideas are,

00:27:49.680 are possible within the,

00:27:52.460 the realm of believing in God.

00:27:54.060 Well,

00:27:54.160 maybe not like,

00:27:55.000 you know,

00:27:55.300 like,

00:27:57.560 like having like,

00:27:58.300 you know,

00:27:58.460 it's okay if we're gay,

00:27:59.720 you know, 1.00

00:27:59.940 and shit like that. 0.89

00:28:00.600 It's like, 0.98

00:28:01.240 it's not,

00:28:01.920 there has to be some sort of moral boundaries.

00:28:05.480 Yeah.

00:28:05.920 It should be like,

00:28:07.500 you know,

00:28:07.940 there it's kind of leading with the spirit of like rebellion and liberation,

00:28:10.620 which is understandable,

00:28:12.520 rebel and liberate yourself from mankind,

00:28:14.860 I suppose.

00:28:17.120 But there has to be an authority and that authority is God.

00:28:19.980 And if you don't reel it in at the appropriate time,

00:28:22.840 that it just becomes,

00:28:23.820 you know,

00:28:24.320 what liberate me from all things,

00:28:26.260 God's order and man's order. 0.99

00:28:27.680 But even the man's order thing is like,

00:28:29.040 I'm realizing that God does place into position,

00:28:32.440 not only powers and principalities,

00:28:34.700 but also Kings.

00:28:36.540 And so,

00:28:37.840 you know,

00:28:38.100 I'm not saying that that's what is happening now.

00:28:40.320 I don't know if that's what the president is,

00:28:41.700 but I know that there's a history of that happening.

00:28:43.740 And so maybe we should make it rebel and liberate yourself against

00:28:51.180 everyone.

00:28:51.660 Who's not,

00:28:52.380 you know,

00:28:53.660 walking in the,

00:28:54.740 in the word of God.

00:28:55.600 You know what I mean?

00:28:56.000 Like,

00:28:56.240 like that should probably be a good marker is if somebody claims to be

00:29:00.440 anointed in one way or another,

00:29:02.000 well,

00:29:02.520 then you observe them.

00:29:03.720 And if they are leading with God,

00:29:05.960 then maybe you're not forced to rebel against everybody.

00:29:09.260 Cause I have that in me.

00:29:10.280 I used to,

00:29:11.200 you know, 0.94

00:29:11.820 school was really hard for me because I couldn't have fucking like authority 0.97

00:29:15.180 figures telling me what to do. 0.70

00:29:18.100 And so I've always had that like spirit of rebellion,

00:29:20.340 but I recognize that that's,

00:29:22.700 you know,

00:29:23.060 the rebellion,

00:29:23.860 the angels rebelling against God,

00:29:25.260 or even the whole,

00:29:26.060 don't tread on me thing.

00:29:29.940 And it's a snake.

00:29:30.900 And then it's like,

00:29:31.500 Jesus Christ gave us the authority to tread on serpents and scorpions.

00:29:35.340 But for some reason,

00:29:36.340 don't tread on me as part of this conversation.

00:29:37.940 And then even the,

00:29:39.260 the torch,

00:29:39.880 the symbol of libertarian values is like,

00:29:42.740 well,

00:29:42.900 that's huge,

00:29:43.840 right?

00:29:44.460 The Promethean flame, 1.00

00:29:46.180 the fucking, 1.00

00:29:46.560 the, 1.00

00:29:47.160 the Mithras or Lucifer, 0.60

00:29:49.640 the light bearer,

00:29:50.340 or any of these things,

00:29:51.040 like all those together,

00:29:53.820 they start to make something really weird.

00:29:55.400 And then,

00:29:55.580 like you said before,

00:29:56.220 it's like libertarians lead with,

00:29:58.360 you know,

00:29:59.020 do whatever you want,

00:29:59.700 as long as you're not hurting anybody and you're not hurting children.

00:30:01.880 Yeah.

00:30:02.260 The non-aggression principle is similar to do what that will shall be the whole of

00:30:06.260 the law.

00:30:06.640 And even in like Crowley and Crowley and ism,

00:30:09.020 they're talking about like,

00:30:09.980 you know,

00:30:10.120 but don't hurt people.

00:30:11.460 Like don't,

00:30:12.140 you know, 1.00

00:30:12.300 that they don't steal their shit. 1.00

00:30:13.580 Like be, 1.00

00:30:14.040 be,

00:30:14.460 be ethical,

00:30:14.780 but do what that will.

00:30:15.720 And it's like,

00:30:16.540 yeah,

00:30:16.700 no,

00:30:16.820 no,

00:30:16.920 no,

00:30:16.980 halfway.

00:30:17.600 I agree with you.

00:30:18.780 Like don't hurt people. 1.00

00:30:19.820 Don't take their shit, 0.99

00:30:20.700 but there's a lot of other stuff with what thou will, 1.00

00:30:23.820 you know, 0.99

00:30:24.160 like you're performing anal sex, 1.00

00:30:26.180 uh, 1.00

00:30:27.240 yeah, 1.00

00:30:27.620 anal sex, 1.00

00:30:28.120 portal magic in, 0.99

00:30:30.260 in lower,

00:30:30.840 in the lower East side of,

00:30:31.740 of Manhattan, 1.00

00:30:32.360 like just below a copper statue of fucking, 0.99

00:30:35.460 you know, 1.00

00:30:36.380 Lucifer,

00:30:36.800 the rebellion,

00:30:37.360 holding a torch.

00:30:38.460 I just don't think that this is good for the greater good of people,

00:30:42.420 but this is,

00:30:43.160 you know,

00:30:43.260 that's another conversation.

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00:31:13.060 A lot of good things.

00:31:16.300 It's only when you expand those values into the macro,

00:31:20.020 because they work really well in the micro,

00:31:21.980 right?

00:31:22.280 You know,

00:31:22.440 as far as like small government and not allowing the federal government to do this and,

00:31:26.880 you know,

00:31:27.100 like everything in the micro works.

00:31:29.140 But as soon as you enter the macro and you start talking about God,

00:31:31.460 that's a,

00:31:32.000 yeah,

00:31:32.200 there you go.

00:31:32.660 JC says some libertarians believe in consenting children.

00:31:35.380 Right.

00:31:35.760 So there has to be a line.

00:31:37.500 Like,

00:31:37.720 like when,

00:31:38.100 when I was in libertarianism,

00:31:39.560 that was,

00:31:40.260 the line was like,

00:31:41.040 oh,

00:31:41.200 well,

00:31:41.320 there's like some,

00:31:42.140 you know,

00:31:42.340 some libertarians are like,

00:31:44.080 uh,

00:31:44.620 clear headed and they really know what they're talking about.

00:31:46.780 And other ones are talking about child consent laws.

00:31:49.020 And it's like,

00:31:49.420 yeah,

00:31:49.580 certainly there's levels,

00:31:50.840 but that's like,

00:31:51.320 you're going to get that when you're given free will.

00:31:53.920 And I'd like,

00:31:55.300 again,

00:31:55.500 so liberty,

00:31:56.420 libertarianism,

00:31:57.180 I think where it's,

00:31:59.000 where it's great is the ability of tellable,

00:32:01.960 the ability to give people their agency and free will.

00:32:04.820 Right.

00:32:05.220 You know,

00:32:05.420 I do like to do without will,

00:32:06.680 but then it needs to come with a lot of caveats.

00:32:08.480 It's like,

00:32:09.260 but if you do this,

00:32:10.160 what point?

00:32:11.040 Yeah.

00:32:11.420 I'm saying like,

00:32:12.180 no,

00:32:12.280 no,

00:32:12.360 no,

00:32:12.460 do what you want to do.

00:32:13.740 But these are the repercussions of your actions.

00:32:17.160 Like this is what you're going to get.

00:32:18.940 And as a matter of fact, 0.98

00:32:19.700 if you're going to go do that gay stuff, 0.99

00:32:21.340 you're not welcome in my society. 0.99

00:32:22.840 This is like a Hans Herman Hoppe sort of an,

00:32:25.680 an idea where libertarians,

00:32:27.180 libertarianism does work,

00:32:28.040 but it's like,

00:32:28.360 there's going to be strict boundaries and rule sets.

00:32:30.780 Like even God,

00:32:31.740 even God allowed us to do what,

00:32:33.180 what we will.

00:32:34.120 Yeah.

00:32:34.520 He allowed us like,

00:32:35.620 and that's the point of this whole thing,

00:32:37.060 right?

00:32:37.260 Like you have to choose him.

00:32:39.140 Can't force you,

00:32:40.400 but it's like,

00:32:41.980 if you're presenting this to people and you're telling like largely autistic people,

00:32:45.880 a group of autistic young men and some woman that,

00:32:48.900 you know,

00:32:49.800 do whatever you want,

00:32:50.900 just don't hurt people.

00:32:51.740 Like,

00:32:52.040 well,

00:32:52.240 where are they? 1.00

00:32:52.660 They're retarded, 1.00

00:32:53.420 man. 1.00

00:32:53.680 Like we've seen these people,

00:32:55.080 like they're going to take that to the maximum and it's not going to create

00:32:58.560 anything good.

00:32:59.540 There's got to be moral boundaries and it's not popular with a lot of the

00:33:03.480 people with the,

00:33:04.200 the,

00:33:04.880 the lady with pink hair and the statue of Liberty on her head.

00:33:07.520 That's screaming about whatever.

00:33:10.540 It's not going to be popular with her. 0.97

00:33:12.200 It's not going to be popular with the gay snaggletooth dude that won the 1.00

00:33:15.120 election. 1.00

00:33:15.620 It's not going to be popular with the retarded cop or the guy that's walking 1.00

00:33:18.560 through the forest yelling at himself before.

00:33:21.020 If you don't go in that direction,

00:33:22.940 then that right there,

00:33:24.440 those things you just described are the fruits of your party.

00:33:27.260 Yeah.

00:33:27.580 And that's what,

00:33:28.300 that's kind of what I was getting at with him.

00:33:29.740 But it's,

00:33:30.200 I think if you,

00:33:30.940 if,

00:33:31.460 if you were to address it exactly,

00:33:34.440 it's not,

00:33:35.320 it's,

00:33:35.800 there's no way to win that argument,

00:33:37.080 but you're getting into like this moral philosophy as well.

00:33:39.820 It was,

00:33:40.120 it's very philosophical.

00:33:41.000 Yeah.

00:33:41.440 And then,

00:33:41.700 and it's not like there would have been an answer.

00:33:43.880 That's a conversation I would have actually liked to have had with him.

00:33:46.540 I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the conversation.

00:33:48.000 You know,

00:33:48.660 I'm honored that he would spend any time talking to us.

00:33:51.740 And he is somebody who I really enjoy the fruits of the party.

00:33:55.780 Right.

00:33:56.260 Literally,

00:33:56.880 literally,

00:33:57.180 literally.

00:33:57.780 It was a great conversation,

00:33:59.340 even though like,

00:34:00.180 cause again,

00:34:00.600 so my microphone was ducking.

00:34:02.100 So whenever they were talking,

00:34:03.600 I was underneath them and I'm talking,

00:34:05.240 but no one could hear me.

00:34:06.000 And it's like,

00:34:06.340 yeah,

00:34:06.540 very frustrating.

00:34:07.380 There was a technical issue,

00:34:08.320 but I just,

00:34:10.640 I wish that I would have been able to guide the conversation more.

00:34:13.600 Cause like we got stuck a bunch of times you and Dave got stuck.

00:34:16.420 Cause,

00:34:16.740 and that was a beautiful part too.

00:34:18.160 Dave,

00:34:18.440 like you were like, 0.75

00:34:19.180 I don't really give a fuck about Dave Smith because I'm not like, 0.93

00:34:21.640 I didn't come up in this space. 0.75

00:34:23.280 I understand the respect that he has,

00:34:24.860 but like whatever.

00:34:26.860 And that's,

00:34:27.600 you need that when you're talking with somebody of Dave's size,

00:34:30.380 you,

00:34:31.020 you definitely need that. 1.00

00:34:32.400 I don't give a fuck kind of thing. 0.99

00:34:33.700 And I know what it was. 0.99

00:34:34.440 It was,

00:34:34.760 it was less of the, 0.99

00:34:35.780 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:34:36.620 And more of, 0.99

00:34:37.840 I'm genuinely interested in what you think on this topic,

00:34:41.320 but we can't get past this.

00:34:43.900 And so my job then is to refine my question and figure out how to slip it in a different way.

00:34:50.440 If you're not going to answer it because of this aspect that I've got to refine,

00:34:53.240 it's got to go back to the drawing board and I've got to spit it back out to you in a way that hopefully resonates with you. 0.99

00:34:57.720 And so if I came off as not giving a fuck, 0.99

00:35:00.280 it was more like I am in this for the love of truth. 0.99

00:35:03.660 I don't really care about individuals.

00:35:05.740 And,

00:35:06.220 and I,

00:35:06.620 you know,

00:35:06.800 obviously I respect people and I'm grateful for their time and things like that. 0.91

00:35:10.540 But if I give a shit at all about Dave Smith, 0.98

00:35:12.900 it's because I think his brain works well. 0.98

00:35:14.840 And I would love to see what he thinks about this.

00:35:17.560 If I presented to him and for whatever reason,

00:35:20.320 probably for the first time in my life,

00:35:22.120 certainly not the last,

00:35:23.420 I was unable to package this in a way that was palatable for the person,

00:35:27.360 so that we were going to receive it,

00:35:28.920 you know, 0.98

00:35:29.340 chew on it and then fucking give me back something cool. 0.98

00:35:31.700 It just wasn't happening. 0.99

00:35:32.780 He was going,

00:35:33.240 nope,

00:35:33.480 I reject that dish.

00:35:34.560 That is a disgusting dish. 0.52

00:35:35.820 I'll not have anything.

00:35:36.540 Like I've prepared this pretty strenuously,

00:35:38.080 but back to the kitchen,

00:35:39.480 I'll refine it.

00:35:40.180 We'll spit it out again. 0.98

00:35:41.040 And it just fucking wouldn't happen. 0.99

00:35:42.620 It was a conversation that I would have, 0.99

00:35:45.040 I think we would have gotten a lot more out of.

00:35:47.100 And I,

00:35:47.380 I would much rather have in private,

00:35:50.520 not recorded.

00:35:51.720 Literally.

00:35:52.360 What do you think?

00:35:53.400 You have a very huge following.

00:35:54.920 You're super influential.

00:35:55.840 He was influential in a lot of my thought coming up as well,

00:35:59.340 even though like,

00:36:00.640 I guess his,

00:36:01.220 yeah,

00:36:01.400 as,

00:36:01.600 as I would just got into it,

00:36:02.740 he was kind of like coming up in the space as well.

00:36:05.300 So like very influential,

00:36:07.040 what I think,

00:36:07.440 but I was like,

00:36:07.700 I want to know what you think.

00:36:08.700 Like,

00:36:08.860 I don't necessarily,

00:36:09.440 I don't even listen to the show anymore.

00:36:11.060 I really do.

00:36:12.000 I'm curious.

00:36:13.260 And if it like,

00:36:13.800 if that can't be recorded because it's like,

00:36:15.680 you know,

00:36:15.960 private position,

00:36:16.700 public position,

00:36:17.380 fine.

00:36:17.980 But what the hell do you like, 0.76

00:36:19.740 where are you at?

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00:36:51.620 I know how to translate it.

00:36:56.500 You know what I mean?

00:36:56.960 I know where it's coming from.

00:36:58.200 Cause it's like,

00:36:58.640 you know what I want to hear?

00:36:59.900 And if I would have loved to have gotten here,

00:37:02.600 Dave Smith,

00:37:03.540 you've been looking at politics so closely for so long.

00:37:07.700 Where does your mind go when you find out about child sex trafficking

00:37:13.680 rings that are steeped in a cult esoteric symbolism and,

00:37:17.820 and ceremony?

00:37:18.800 What does your mind think when you hear about the laptop leaks and the weird 0.99

00:37:25.140 shit that they supposedly found in Iraq and all of the strange artwork in 0.99

00:37:30.200 the Podesta's homes? 1.00

00:37:31.300 Like,

00:37:31.520 where does your mind go?

00:37:33.500 But like,

00:37:34.840 it's just,

00:37:36.060 in my opinion,

00:37:38.300 if you go there and you start having that conversation,

00:37:41.580 especially with people that you don't know and trust that intimately, 0.99

00:37:44.140 you run the risk of fucking up this other shit that you've established for 0.98

00:37:48.300 yourself because you have to maintain an air of seriousness. 0.99

00:37:52.700 If you're going to talk about politics and air of seriousness,

00:37:55.680 if you're going to,

00:37:56.240 it's kind of funny,

00:37:56.980 right? 0.99

00:37:57.300 Because like politics fight for the money's fake politics are gay. 0.99

00:38:01.260 And then it's all theater. 0.92

00:38:03.280 Everybody's playing pretend,

00:38:04.260 but you have to be very serious when you play pretend.

00:38:06.820 And what's considered unserious is talking about God and like the

00:38:09.940 metaphysical realm,

00:38:10.780 which certainly exists.

00:38:12.260 And I feel like wherever people are becoming well,

00:38:14.640 a lot more aware of it,

00:38:15.840 but you know,

00:38:16.740 that that's just something that I feel like is going to come as time goes

00:38:19.940 by.

00:38:20.700 But I'm glad that we got to have the conversation with Dave about that in

00:38:24.180 a lot of ways.

00:38:24.660 You can run it back one day.

00:38:26.240 Yeah.

00:38:26.600 Maybe,

00:38:27.060 maybe not.

00:38:27.560 I mean, 1.00

00:38:27.720 probably fucking, 0.99

00:38:28.640 uh, 1.00

00:38:29.220 what's his name?

00:38:29.980 After that,

00:38:30.280 he was like,

00:38:30.740 no,

00:38:30.860 I'm not going to be coming back.

00:38:32.260 Phil Labonte.

00:38:32.900 Oh yeah.

00:38:33.560 I told you.

00:38:34.880 Imagine having that conversation with Phil Labonte.

00:38:37.500 It would go nowhere. 1.00

00:38:38.520 Just a retard, 1.00

00:38:39.960 empty, 1.00

00:38:40.700 empty space.

00:38:41.840 Um,

00:38:42.340 but the conversation we have with Dave was a lot like the one that he had

00:38:45.760 with Douglas Murray, 0.99

00:38:46.680 but I feel like our shit was like, 0.98

00:38:48.480 we're dealing with an even more important question than just like, 0.99

00:38:52.200 just this genocide and the idea of whatever Israel is. 0.60

00:38:56.000 And you know,

00:38:57.120 the Jews,

00:38:57.580 which is what they were talking about.

00:38:58.660 We're dealing with the concept of God and the concept of free will.

00:39:02.280 Yeah.

00:39:02.960 And it was like,

00:39:04.500 it was like very much like just butting heads.

00:39:07.540 We were talking around and over each other.

00:39:11.120 And,

00:39:11.620 uh,

00:39:11.820 I,

00:39:12.080 I was a little frustrated by the conversation,

00:39:14.020 by the technology not working just by how the conversation went.

00:39:16.700 I think Dave was frustrated by how his conversation went with Douglas Murray

00:39:20.560 because the guy Douglas Murray,

00:39:22.300 no matter what you think about him,

00:39:23.520 he's a smart dude.

00:39:24.700 And it wasn't even a debate.

00:39:26.060 It wasn't even a conversation.

00:39:27.580 It was just,

00:39:28.260 the guy was just dancing.

00:39:30.000 The guy was doing like ad hominem attacks on him.

00:39:32.600 He was just,

00:39:33.140 you know,

00:39:33.840 doing like weird,

00:39:34.680 uh,

00:39:35.280 equations,

00:39:35.880 like,

00:39:36.360 like referring to the experts.

00:39:37.900 It's like,

00:39:38.560 it was not,

00:39:39.340 you know how I want to remember Dave Smith,

00:39:41.100 not from this episode because he didn't know what he was getting into.

00:39:44.740 And it's all very jarring.

00:39:45.920 He doesn't owe us anything.

00:39:47.180 He doesn't know me at all.

00:39:48.880 Um,

00:39:49.720 that's the thing.

00:39:50.400 It was like,

00:39:50.940 I would have told him,

00:39:52.020 I should have told him like,

00:39:53.240 like come here for a debate,

00:39:55.000 you know?

00:39:55.800 So that way,

00:39:56.260 because I,

00:39:56.640 but I don't want to debate you.

00:39:58.100 Okay.

00:39:58.420 And Dave's not going to use those sort of tactics most of the time.

00:40:01.360 But I,

00:40:02.380 if I think if you,

00:40:03.200 we would have prepared him like,

00:40:04.560 Hey,

00:40:04.660 this might be a little bit like,

00:40:05.760 this is a hard conversation.

00:40:07.120 I'm not going to have you on.

00:40:08.160 Like who's Dave Smith.

00:40:09.380 Tell us about,

00:40:10.300 no,

00:40:11.120 no, 0.99

00:40:11.380 that's retarded. 0.98

00:40:12.200 Everybody knows you like we're talking, 0.96

00:40:13.920 I want to talk about something unique.

00:40:15.640 And I just,

00:40:16.400 I don't think that he was prepared to,

00:40:18.240 uh,

00:40:18.840 address it.

00:40:19.420 So it is what it is.

00:40:20.620 This was after,

00:40:21.320 and this was what I was getting at the,

00:40:22.960 the version of Dave Smith that I want to remember.

00:40:24.700 I'm pretty sure this podcast that we did with him was after he destroyed

00:40:29.060 Cuomo over the lockdown era.

00:40:32.080 And it was incredible.

00:40:34.380 I mean, 0.99

00:40:34.560 a lot of it was shit that should have been said to Cuomo a long time ago, 0.99

00:40:38.120 should have been out on the world. 0.99

00:40:39.040 but Dave Smith was the guy who,

00:40:42.300 as soon as the smoke settled,

00:40:44.960 you know,

00:40:45.320 I guess this was almost a year ago as well,

00:40:47.100 or a little bit over a year ago.

00:40:48.220 And we finally got some reckoning.

00:40:50.040 We finally got somebody to hold accountable.

00:40:52.240 And obviously,

00:40:52.980 you know,

00:40:53.300 there needs to be more done,

00:40:54.360 but having,

00:40:55.260 I think it was Anthony Cuomo,

00:40:57.320 um,

00:40:58.440 on stage with Chris Cuomo,

00:41:00.080 Chris Cuomo.

00:41:01.000 There we go.

00:41:01.620 Uh,

00:41:01.900 Chris Cuomo on stage with Dave Smith,

00:41:03.780 uh,

00:41:04.520 debating the lockdown era and Dave Smith being like you and your core,

00:41:08.720 cohorts said X,

00:41:10.140 Y,

00:41:10.420 and Z.

00:41:10.980 You said that two weeks to flatten the curve.

00:41:13.820 You said that it was a hundred percent effective.

00:41:15.740 You said all these things.

00:41:16.820 And he goes,

00:41:17.600 I never said those things.

00:41:19.120 And Dave turns and goes,

00:41:20.780 play the clip.

00:41:22.300 Yeah.

00:41:22.980 What?

00:41:23.860 Oh my God.

00:41:25.440 I mean, 1.00

00:41:26.140 and then just in his own fucking face out of his own, 0.99

00:41:29.360 you know, 1.00

00:41:29.580 in his own words,

00:41:30.620 Chris Cuomo says exactly what he denied having said.

00:41:33.580 Uh,

00:41:33.980 and it was so plain to see for anybody who was watching that.

00:41:37.060 I live streamed that entire,

00:41:38.220 uh,

00:41:38.800 uh,

00:41:39.200 conversation and it was,

00:41:40.360 it was,

00:41:40.680 it was great.

00:41:41.260 So that's the Dave Smith that I want to remember.

00:41:43.360 And I don't begrudge him at all.

00:41:44.760 I know he was in a strange position with us.

00:41:48.280 It's a,

00:41:48.820 it was different.

00:41:49.540 It's not something he's accustomed to.

00:41:51.020 So that's the thing.

00:41:51.840 Dave Smith is,

00:41:52.680 is so great.

00:41:53.780 I think he's great on almost on everything.

00:41:55.640 Pretty much.

00:41:56.340 You ask,

00:41:56.800 but I,

00:41:57.860 why would I want to have a conversation about something like I have you on and,

00:42:01.360 and I just go, 0.97

00:42:01.940 I agree like that's retarded. 1.00

00:42:04.560 I want to have an actual conversation with you about something that maybe we don't necessarily agree.

00:42:09.500 Maybe even I'm wrong.

00:42:10.340 Maybe I'm missing something,

00:42:11.740 but it didn't get it.

00:42:12.680 I don't think it got there adequately,

00:42:14.000 which is fine.

00:42:14.760 We didn't get that far.

00:42:16.120 No,

00:42:16.500 maybe that's our fault.

00:42:17.540 Uh,

00:42:18.020 but I thought it was fun. 0.98

00:42:19.000 And Dave's fucking a champ for spending the time with us. 0.98

00:42:21.940 So without further ado, 0.97

00:42:24.280 here's the episode with Dave Smith.

00:42:26.780 This is transmission,

00:42:27.900 transition music.

00:42:28.560 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:42:37.780 News readers,

00:42:39.240 politicians,

00:42:40.760 teachers,

00:42:41.660 lecturers. 0.99

00:42:42.600 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:42:51.160 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely huge.

00:42:56.980 Oh yeah,

00:42:57.740 dude. 1.00

00:42:58.000 There's some Nephilim shit. 1.00

00:42:59.460 It's like we all know what's going down, 1.00

00:43:02.080 but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave. 0.97

00:43:05.660 They're controlling this now. 0.98

00:43:07.280 I know we're talking about how they made us try to be slaves.

00:43:10.420 And everybody's just walking around,

00:43:12.480 heading across the world,

00:43:13.460 awake until we're dead in the grave.

00:43:15.620 But it's too late.

00:43:16.600 We need to be ready to raise up.

00:43:18.400 Welcome to the end of day.

00:43:20.160 Everybody is slaved.

00:43:21.600 Only some are aware that the government released...

00:43:24.020 Welcome back everyone to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:43:30.480 I am David Lee Corbo,

00:43:32.600 a.k.a.

00:43:33.180 The Raven.

00:43:34.000 That is Top Lobster,

00:43:35.520 the father of disinformation.

00:43:37.440 Before we get into today's guest,

00:43:39.520 Top has a quick announcement to make.

00:43:42.200 Yes.

00:43:42.700 So as always,

00:43:43.980 TopLobster.com.

00:43:45.080 Go there, 1.00

00:43:45.720 buy some shit. 1.00

00:43:47.140 But we recently got a date for Bohemian Grove. 1.00

00:43:51.480 So that's really important to our listeners.

00:43:54.520 And it's like,

00:43:55.060 it couldn't have came on like a better day than we have like such a big guest.

00:43:58.640 So October 25th and the 26th,

00:44:01.320 it's going to be... 1.00

00:44:02.440 Big guess, you fuck. 1.00

00:44:05.060 Was that singular? 1.00

00:44:06.440 Dude, was that singular?

00:44:08.100 Unbelievably disrespectful.

00:44:09.980 Clint was a pity invite.

00:44:11.200 I was like,

00:44:11.480 yo, Clint, we got dates.

00:44:13.140 I was like, 1.00

00:44:13.620 I know how much you love to talk about dating fucking libertarian shit. 1.00

00:44:15.580 He asked us. 1.00

00:44:16.360 Didn't he ask us?

00:44:17.860 He did.

00:44:18.420 He was like,

00:44:18.840 he was like,

00:44:19.140 please, please, please, please.

00:44:20.280 I ignored him.

00:44:20.740 I ignored him.

00:44:21.180 And I was like,

00:44:21.400 fine, this is pitiful.

00:44:22.600 But all right,

00:44:23.020 you're on it.

00:44:23.720 No, that's true.

00:44:24.220 Two big guess.

00:44:26.560 Awesome.

00:44:26.880 So the 25th and the 26th,

00:44:28.780 is it?

00:44:28.920 Was that a Saturday?

00:44:30.440 24th and the 25th.

00:44:31.600 It's going to be a live podcast.

00:44:33.400 And then it'll be,

00:44:35.120 we'll have an exclamation point at the second night with a live standup comedy.

00:44:39.440 We're working on all the standup comedians and there's some big ones in there.

00:44:42.840 So that's it.

00:44:43.740 Triple E.

00:44:44.360 Let's go.

00:44:45.240 It's going to be a banger, guys.

00:44:46.600 So look forward to Bohemian Grove.

00:44:47.960 Wait for those tickets to drop.

00:44:49.500 We'll make an announcement when they do.

00:44:51.320 So today's guest,

00:44:53.160 this is going to be an awesome episode.

00:44:55.380 And I'm sure it's going to go all over the place.

00:44:57.580 Today we are joined by Dave Smith and Clint Russell,

00:45:01.700 two men that really don't need any introduction,

00:45:03.680 but it's kind of what we do here.

00:45:04.960 So I'm going to make you do it anyway.

00:45:06.100 Dave Smith,

00:45:06.720 can you let the people know where it is they can find your work?

00:45:10.940 Sure.

00:45:11.680 Comicdavesmith.com is my website.

00:45:14.080 And part of the problem is my podcast and Legion of Skanks.

00:45:17.540 And I'm at comicdavesmith on Twitter.

00:45:21.600 Well,

00:45:21.860 at Liberty Locked Pod.

00:45:23.600 Top didn't like that.

00:45:24.920 At Liberty Locked Pod on X.

00:45:26.240 Just hit 140K today.

00:45:27.580 Thank you guys for following me.

00:45:29.220 If you want to support my work,

00:45:30.180 you can subscribe there.

00:45:31.740 Liberty Locked Down on YouTube,

00:45:32.880 Rumble,

00:45:33.120 everywhere else.

00:45:33.940 Let's get into it.

00:45:35.000 Awesome.

00:45:35.640 If Top recovers.

00:45:36.260 He'll be all right.

00:45:36.840 I'm sure he's beating his kids or something like that.

00:45:39.540 So,

00:45:40.220 I mean,

00:45:40.620 this is...

00:45:41.340 Very Christian of him.

00:45:42.240 It is.

00:45:42.640 Well,

00:45:42.780 I think that's in the Bible,

00:45:43.800 if I'm not mistaken.

00:45:45.020 I'm not sure which verse.

00:45:46.720 But this is coming right off the back of two really fascinating things.

00:45:51.120 Dave,

00:45:51.280 I don't know if you know how this show goes,

00:45:52.980 but we're kind of like unhinged,

00:45:55.340 schizophrenic people who happen to have enough charisma to kind of carry a show. 0.52

00:46:02.060 I'll be the judge of that.

00:46:03.460 Yeah,

00:46:03.720 we'll see how it goes.

00:46:05.560 One of the things that's very interesting that's happened lately,

00:46:09.480 besides your interaction with Cuomo,

00:46:12.360 which I thought was fantastic on the Patrick Bet David podcast,

00:46:16.060 but also Clint Russell having talked to...

00:46:18.960 What was it,

00:46:19.400 Clint?

00:46:19.580 She was a Pfizer whistleblower of 10 years she worked there?

00:46:24.140 Yeah.

00:46:24.560 Yeah.

00:46:24.820 She was in safety,

00:46:27.480 and she came on the show.

00:46:29.740 She's been on a bunch of big shows, 0.99

00:46:31.540 and what she had to say fucking was pretty shocking. 0.98

00:46:34.620 And this is coming from someone who has followed, 0.99

00:46:36.860 obviously,

00:46:37.500 the COVID hysteria for years,

00:46:39.800 but her description of the vaccines

00:46:41.780 and how people on the production supply line were crying

00:46:44.980 as they realized what they had put in their bodies was...

00:46:47.520 This was on your show, Clint?

00:46:49.180 Yeah.

00:46:49.640 Yeah.

00:46:49.840 It was only...

00:46:50.720 I couldn't put it on YouTube,

00:46:51.780 so it's Rumble,

00:46:52.540 so most people haven't even seen it,

00:46:54.680 unfortunately.

00:46:55.360 But yeah,

00:46:56.360 it was crazy.

00:46:56.620 It was actually pretty harrowing,

00:46:58.160 the idea that...

00:46:59.380 And I know she said that there wasn't a tremendous amount of people in the room,

00:47:02.340 but that half of them were crying after seeing something,

00:47:06.540 a reaction that caused the inoculation to glow.

00:47:11.180 Yeah, to glow.

00:47:12.400 So pretty damning,

00:47:13.820 and the people that were crying were actually people that had had these things in them.

00:47:17.380 They had actually received the vaccine.

00:47:18.760 But one of the more fascinating things that happened during that episode,

00:47:23.600 especially for me to watch it happen to Clint,

00:47:26.640 because from where we've been sitting...

00:47:29.760 It was nuts.

00:47:30.720 It really was.

00:47:31.580 I was watching your reaction.

00:47:33.380 Initially, when she said it,

00:47:34.440 your face didn't change.

00:47:35.440 So, Dave,

00:47:36.000 what ends up happening is during this interview,

00:47:41.020 Clint says,

00:47:41.960 well,

00:47:42.120 it doesn't seem to me that the vaccine was meant to protect us from the virus,

00:47:46.860 but it also doesn't seem...

00:47:48.840 And I'm paraphrasing. 0.91

00:47:49.580 I'm going to fuck some of this up, 0.96

00:47:50.440 but it also doesn't seem that this is about money, 0.95

00:47:52.520 because they can print the money, right?

00:47:54.680 Money doesn't seem to be an issue here.

00:47:57.060 I don't think this was for monetary gains,

00:47:59.160 and he asked her, in her opinion,

00:48:01.560 what the purpose of it was,

00:48:03.100 and first she started by saying,

00:48:05.260 what's your religious background?

00:48:07.420 And then she followed it up by saying,

00:48:09.760 this is about the Nephilim,

00:48:12.380 which you've already seen the name of the show,

00:48:14.620 Nephilim Death Squad.

00:48:15.440 We've been kind of harping at Clint for the longest time now

00:48:20.800 about the return of the biblical entities known as the Nephilim

00:48:24.600 and the implications that that's going to have on our reality.

00:48:29.520 And so Nephilim has,

00:48:33.100 and I want to start the show off this way,

00:48:34.800 really been injected into the culture.

00:48:37.560 I kind of want to say that that's because of me and Top.

00:48:42.220 I mean, not for nothing,

00:48:43.120 but at least the conversation on Twitter got rolling in a certain direction.

00:48:47.040 It didn't have anything to do with Tucker Carlson saying it on Joe Rogan.

00:48:50.200 It's because of your show, for sure.

00:48:51.620 No, we weren't saying it before.

00:48:52.740 We were saying it well before. 0.95

00:48:54.440 We went on your gay show.

00:48:56.280 But is there a link there between you guys saying it

00:48:58.820 and Tucker saying it on Rogan's podcast?

00:49:01.000 I think so. 1.00

00:49:01.820 We were saying this shit, 1.00

00:49:05.040 and then it... 1.00

00:49:06.600 Do you remember the Las Vegas aliens?

00:49:08.980 This is a good point.

00:49:10.380 Aliens in Las Vegas.

00:49:11.460 You sound like you're not coming out of your microphone.

00:49:13.460 Dude, I don't think I am.

00:49:15.300 Hold on.

00:49:15.740 Are you now?

00:49:16.020 I mean, it's not awful, but...

00:49:18.520 No, I think you just got to turn your gain up a little bit.

00:49:20.420 People always complain.

00:49:21.420 It's because I shout.

00:49:22.560 That doesn't help.

00:49:23.060 Can you hear me now?

00:49:23.920 You sound great, dude.

00:49:25.420 It just sounds a little quiet.

00:49:26.340 It's not the same.

00:49:26.860 They're subverting you in real time.

00:49:28.900 No, it sounds a little quiet.

00:49:30.060 I'm trying to help.

00:49:30.360 I mean, if we were Nephilim, this is what we'd be saying. 0.93

00:49:32.560 That's right.

00:49:32.980 That doesn't mean we necessarily are.

00:49:34.820 You guys might be, because this never happens.

00:49:37.200 I just went on. 0.97

00:49:37.920 My roadcaster just, like, shit out, turned off. 0.98

00:49:40.440 Is that what happened? 0.99

00:49:41.580 Yes.

00:49:41.980 We are.

00:49:42.660 Unbelievable.

00:49:43.520 We also are pretty gigantic compared to you.

00:49:45.760 Yeah, Dave and I are both 6'1", basically Nephilim.

00:49:48.060 Dude, I'm basically a baby.

00:49:49.280 I'm 5'7", and every time I see Clint, he cradles me in his arms.

00:49:53.500 I think you guys might just be short.

00:49:55.300 That just might be the whole thing here.

00:49:57.260 We're not actually giants.

00:49:58.520 You're just short.

00:49:59.440 Our entire narrative is falling apart in real time.

00:50:01.780 I don't want to talk about that.

00:50:02.920 All right, look.

00:50:03.460 I want to pull this up, because I think this is fascinating.

00:50:05.400 Well, actually, to Top's point, you want to finish that point?

00:50:07.620 Because you were talking about these aliens in Vegas.

00:50:10.540 They were aliens in Vegas, and they were, like, 10-foot aliens or 8-foot aliens or something.

00:50:15.220 And it was reported.

00:50:16.740 The cops got involved.

00:50:17.680 There was body cam footage.

00:50:18.940 And they just kept harping on, like, 10-foot aliens. 1.00

00:50:22.180 Then, a couple months later, we just start saying Nephilim shit. 0.99

00:50:25.080 But, like, I've been trying to, like, meme this into the zeitgeist. 0.99

00:50:28.340 Then the Miami incident happens, right by Clint.

00:50:31.200 And now they're 10-foot Nephilim. 0.94

00:50:33.440 Now, instead of aliens, they're calling them Nephilim.

00:50:35.580 So the vernacular has changed.

00:50:37.320 Something happened in the culture that was ready to switch.

00:50:39.860 And then Tucker Carlson comes, like, a couple months after that, talking about it.

00:50:43.800 And he's talking about it again more recently, which we wanted to also bring up with you. 0.99

00:50:47.200 How do you feel about this shit, Dave? 0.99

00:50:50.020 Um, I think that, so, I'm very skeptical about, like, any of the shit that comes out. 0.99

00:50:59.080 Because so much of the shit, you know, like the UFO stuff, they wouldn't use the term. 0.98

00:51:03.420 But, you know, it comes from the Pentagon, the Defense Department, all this stuff. 0.99

00:51:09.700 Um, I don't know.

00:51:10.780 I don't know the specific videos you're talking about.

00:51:14.060 But I'm kind of like, dude, we all got HD cameras in our pockets at this point.

00:51:19.200 I'll start taking things seriously when I see some real fucking conclusive video. 0.92

00:51:23.560 You don't understand, Dave. 0.96

00:51:24.560 They have an organic capability to emit something called ultrasound.

00:51:27.620 It causes a vibrational disturbance that you can't, even when you look at them, they look blurry, right?

00:51:32.180 So, any time that, like, a conspiracy is built around the obvious objection to it, that's just immediately dismissed by me.

00:51:39.700 But what I will say is that, and I've come to believe this more as I've gotten older,

00:51:47.660 that Tucker's whole point about how basically everyone outside of post-World War II American and Western European societies

00:51:55.820 have always accepted as a, like, point of obvious truth that there is a spiritual component to life

00:52:03.700 and that we interact with this spiritual component and there are forces of good and forces of evil.

00:52:09.160 I think that is 100% true.

00:52:11.700 I don't, in terms of any of these, like, physical manifestations of it,

00:52:15.640 I, I'm, my starting point is to be a skeptic and I've yet to hear anything that's, like, overwhelmed that.

00:52:22.680 So, when you hear, and I want to play it, actually.

00:52:25.040 Wait, the physical manifestations of it are not the important part.

00:52:28.040 It's the, like, like Tucker was saying, everybody up until 1945 and up until 1945 till now

00:52:35.060 was aware that there was a spiritual realm and that there was some kind of spiritual battle going on.

00:52:39.560 And now we act as if, like, no big deal.

00:52:42.240 Well, it's, like, because it's the other side to the coin, by the way, of just believing in God.

00:52:46.620 And it almost never comes up, right?

00:52:48.300 Like, the, the way people think about it is, like, do you believe in God or do you not believe in God?

00:52:52.320 You're either an atheist or you're a religious person.

00:52:54.820 But believing in God is, like, a double-sided coin.

00:52:58.460 When you believe in God, you almost always also believe in some type of, like, evil spirit.

00:53:05.740 Even if your religion doesn't have, like, hell per se in it, like Judaism or something like that, 0.99

00:53:10.880 if you believe in God, you still believe there's things God wants you to do.

00:53:15.280 And therefore, if you don't do them, you're in a bad position.

00:53:18.900 It's, like, believing in God also requires this belief in, like, the evil and the darkness.

00:53:25.200 And that's the other thing missing, I think, from the atheist worldview that rarely comes up,

00:53:29.540 is that it's not just God.

00:53:31.320 It's God versus, like, despair.

00:53:34.100 I think this is where you and that guy got caught up.

00:53:38.020 I listened to him.

00:53:38.780 Oh, what's his name? 1.00

00:53:40.460 Fucking, whatever. 1.00

00:53:41.420 Andrew. 1.00

00:53:42.300 Let me ask you something, Dave.

00:53:43.360 Do you own yourself?

00:53:45.800 Yes, I do.

00:53:47.000 Answer the question, Dave. 1.00

00:53:48.200 Answer the goddamn question, dude. 1.00

00:53:50.040 Well, yeah. 1.00

00:53:51.760 We could talk about that debate if you want to.

00:53:55.360 I mean, look, I definitely didn't do a great job in it.

00:53:59.160 I probably had one of my worst debate performances.

00:54:04.960 I don't.

00:54:06.160 Part of it is on me.

00:54:07.640 Part of it is just that I found the thing so bad faith and tedious.

00:54:12.340 And I just wasn't in the mood, which rarely, like, happens to me.

00:54:16.260 But it's just, like, the whole thing was, like, I don't really care to do this.

00:54:19.400 That happened to me a couple months ago, an immigration debate that turned into talking

00:54:24.080 about whether or not the, like, Pakistanis should allow Afghanistan refugees. 0.94

00:54:29.180 And they wanted to fucking apply libertarian theory to it. 0.96

00:54:31.740 And I was just like, you know what? 1.00

00:54:33.320 Fuck it. 1.00

00:54:34.540 Well, I don't even want to have this conversation with you. 1.00

00:54:36.940 I just don't care.

00:54:38.100 That guy was so disrespectful.

00:54:39.540 And it's like, if I was you, I would have signed off.

00:54:41.900 I couldn't get past the first 30 minutes.

00:54:43.460 Try to do it twice in, like, preparation.

00:54:45.300 Well, you know what happens?

00:54:46.160 If he signs off, it's all of a sudden it's a win.

00:54:49.340 It's I defeated Dave Smith.

00:54:51.000 He ran away.

00:54:51.900 And it's like, oh, God.

00:54:53.020 I came pretty close at one point.

00:54:56.140 And what he was doing was, and, you know, it's a funny thing because I just basically,

00:55:00.800 in a sense, I was like, dude, are we doing this or what? 0.76

00:55:04.160 I don't really fucking care if we are. 0.64

00:55:06.500 And the problem with that, and I've learned this lesson before, is that for audiences, 0.96

00:55:10.980 you have to hold their hand and give them a narrative.

00:55:14.360 And I didn't do that in the debate. 0.99

00:55:16.040 And that allowed enough of his people to go, oh, you got fucking destroyed or whatever, 0.97

00:55:19.860 which really never happens to me in debate. 0.98

00:55:22.480 So I'll give him that.

00:55:23.740 He gave his base enough that they could say that and he could claim it or whatever.

00:55:28.340 But the truth is that if you actually look at the arguments, I mean, I felt like I actually

00:55:34.560 kind of exposed this whole thing with a few follow-up questions that he just completely

00:55:38.240 dodged. 0.98

00:55:39.000 I just wasn't, like, prosecuting the case like a dick. 0.99

00:55:41.980 And I wasn't going to interrupt him and ask him the same questions over and over. 0.95

00:55:45.440 But, like, there were a few points.

00:55:46.760 Like, immediately, he asked the question of, like, how I said, yes, I own myself.

00:55:51.740 And he goes, demonstrate it or prove it or something like that.

00:55:54.880 What do you do? 0.99

00:55:55.320 Stand up and do a fucking backflip? 0.99

00:55:56.860 Well, it's, like, a very clunky, goofy thing to claim. 0.99

00:56:01.020 Like, I own my house and no one would dispute that.

00:56:03.700 But if you just went, demonstrate it, I'd be like, do I have to get a deed?

00:56:07.780 Do you know that this is a real deed?

00:56:09.940 Do you know?

00:56:10.260 I don't know.

00:56:11.140 Show me the title.

00:56:12.740 And so, but, you know, and then I asked him at one point if he owned the guitar behind

00:56:16.860 him.

00:56:17.140 And he was like, yeah.

00:56:18.100 And I was like, demonstrate it.

00:56:19.880 And he had nothing.

00:56:20.900 He had no response.

00:56:21.620 So he also had no.

00:56:22.620 But I just kind of let that go because I was like, isn't this obvious to anyone watching

00:56:26.320 that that kind of blows up his whole thing? 0.56

00:56:28.180 It also feels very gay to play the same game. 0.70

00:56:30.560 I also, I will say, look, as someone who used to be an atheist who now believes in God,

00:56:36.680 it's an interesting perspective for people who are that.

00:56:40.820 You kind of have the perspective of an atheist.

00:56:42.440 And then you also have the perspective of being a believer.

00:56:46.360 That being said, belief can, especially in these type of Christian debates, can really

00:56:52.360 become a cop out from a debate where now you're like, oh, see, you have the task of

00:56:57.740 demonstrating your ownership.

00:56:59.800 And then if I go, well, how do you demonstrate anything?

00:57:01.640 I can just say divine intervention.

00:57:04.420 And therefore, I don't have to have anything else to say.

00:57:07.040 And it's like, yeah, that's not really a debate.

00:57:08.900 You kind of still have to have an argument.

00:57:10.820 I also, by the way, I thought, you know, the thing on taxes, I thought he had no real

00:57:16.340 position for.

00:57:17.100 But he was doing a thing where and this is the point where I almost left the conversation

00:57:21.520 is he asked me the question he asked me was like something along the lines of I'd have

00:57:28.160 to go back and rewatch it was something close to like, how can you say something is immoral?

00:57:33.740 Like it was like, how how can you have morality, which is a fairly deep question?

00:57:40.100 You know what I mean?

00:57:40.660 Like you're like this isn't like we're having any type of tangible debate.

00:57:43.960 Exactly.

00:57:44.360 We're getting way into like kind of abstract core fundamental first principles.

00:57:50.100 And then I went to start asking that and he interrupts with the question again and then

00:57:54.540 interrupts with the question again.

00:57:56.380 And that's when I was just like, dude, like if we're going to do this, if you're going 0.99

00:57:59.380 to ask a deep question like that, you got to give someone 45 seconds before you fucking 0.98

00:58:04.520 interrupt them again. 0.99

00:58:05.540 Like, let me.

00:58:06.320 So that was just to me.

00:58:08.220 It was kind of like this is tedious and seems kind of bad faith and that's it.

00:58:12.600 But I have a question aside from the debate itself.

00:58:15.540 Sure.

00:58:16.280 But I was just very curious from my vantage point.

00:58:19.680 I was I was surprised that you didn't defend some of the more unpopular libertarian positions.

00:58:26.400 And I felt like.

00:58:28.160 Yeah, go ahead.

00:58:28.680 Sure.

00:58:29.480 It's a good question because we should like the incest with. 1.00

00:58:32.360 Yeah. 0.82

00:58:32.940 Well, incest, gay marriage, drug like legalizing all drugs. 0.99

00:58:37.140 He was like, he's like, I want a fucking direct answer for these four things. 0.99

00:58:40.820 And you basically didn't. 0.93

00:58:43.620 Maybe it was because he cut you off, but you never got to basically saying yes or no on

00:58:47.580 most of them. 0.84

00:58:48.300 I want to know where Dave is at now post this whole LP debacle bullshit, because one of my

00:58:56.720 points when I stopped listening to part of the problem as much as I listen every single, 0.59

00:59:01.520 you know, like when it was out and it was when you got like into the party because then I

00:59:06.700 was like, I don't I don't find this compelling.

00:59:09.060 I don't like this party.

00:59:10.140 After a while of seeing what it is, it represented.

00:59:12.280 It looked like the church to me, but it was just politics like the church, but no God. 0.99

00:59:16.980 So I'm like, what the fuck are we doing here? 0.94

00:59:19.680 Has you have your chances your stances changed? 0.96

00:59:21.860 Because I did a Clint noticed that right away.

00:59:24.000 And I said, yeah, usually you'd have like a really sound argument for that.

00:59:26.820 But you just decided.

00:59:28.280 No, well, look, so, OK, well, when he started with the well, essentially to answer your question,

00:59:34.840 no, my stances really haven't changed on any of the hardcore libertarian stuff.

00:59:39.640 I guess what I was and I'm sure I could have done a better job in this.

00:59:43.320 I was also look, I was a little bit off my game that night.

00:59:46.240 I also and this is really a first for me, but it was kind of like just coming off all

00:59:53.580 of the shows that I had just done.

00:59:55.380 Like I literally just the that month done Tucker and Rogan and open for Trump with Clint.

01:00:00.720 And I took Cuomo's scalp, which really was like the big thing for me. 0.97

01:00:05.240 And just keep I found him off putting and kind of being a dick at first. 0.99

01:00:09.720 It was better at the end. 0.97

01:00:10.840 And and I was just like, I don't care.

01:00:13.800 I don't care to have this fight like, you know, which is on me.

01:00:17.180 That's 100 percent on me.

01:00:18.440 It's like I did what that's called in sports.

01:00:20.640 It's called a letdown game.

01:00:22.060 Yeah, it was kind of that for me.

01:00:24.620 You know, is that on you, though, when a guy sets out?

01:00:28.000 Yes, it is on me because like there's no no excuses.

01:00:30.920 And also like I did the show.

01:00:33.100 So once you're there, it's my job.

01:00:34.840 It's my job to be on once I'm on any show.

01:00:37.240 No, look, he started with the incest example

01:00:40.320 because which what I was told was we were there to debate

01:00:44.000 Christian populism versus libertarianism.

01:00:46.280 I'm thinking we're having a debate about the current state of America

01:00:49.880 and what is a better remedy for it.

01:00:52.160 You know what I mean?

01:00:52.700 Which is not at all what the debate ended up being.

01:00:56.840 I think that starting with the question of incest is obviously like

01:01:02.800 it is a reducto absurdum.

01:01:05.340 It's not like people were saying he didn't even realize it was.

01:01:08.000 Yeah, no, I get that.

01:01:09.620 It's just that you're also starting with something that is designed,

01:01:15.500 you know, to have a very deep rooted genetic disgust impulse.

01:01:21.220 Like it's just something that it almost removes like rational thought

01:01:25.220 from your head when you even start thinking about it.

01:01:27.440 And the point I was kind of making was that it's like, no, look, I still in my heart of hearts,

01:01:33.320 what I still believe is I'm a Rothbardian ANCAP and I will make an argument for why people have natural rights 0.97

01:01:38.860 and all of this shit. 0.93

01:01:39.820 It's just like where I'm at today in my life. 0.99

01:01:42.960 We live under the biggest government in the history of the world and we're on the verge of World War III and they're doing all types of experiments with our society that seem to be trial balloons for like some real deal

01:01:54.300 Maoist nightmare coming up in the future.

01:01:57.420 And if you're telling me about incest law, if government was reduced down to like laws against incest, I'm just like, yeah, guys, I'm not in this fight anymore.

01:02:05.900 I wouldn't I wouldn't be a libertarian and go like, I got to fight to make sure this incest law is repealed.

01:02:11.560 So if that's the thing you want to go to in your debate, fine, whatever.

01:02:15.320 Keep that illegal.

01:02:16.100 Like, I just don't care.

01:02:17.280 Let's move on to what actually like we're here to talk about.

01:02:20.860 I figured that was more my attitude.

01:02:22.840 I got it.

01:02:23.720 Now, in terms of the libertarian party, obviously, that's that's a different situation.

01:02:29.260 And I I think I'm still at where I said I was on my show after the convention, which is kind of that.

01:02:35.900 I'm kind of taking a step back and reassessing and just thinking, what are my best, you know, like what's my time best spent?

01:02:44.240 Look, the Mises Caucus was always and this is the truth. 0.97

01:02:48.580 It was always a passion project for me, a cause I believed in.

01:02:52.420 It wasn't something that was like, this is where I can get the most bang for my buck or anything like that. 0.99

01:02:57.520 There was nothing really in it for me other than trying to lead this fucking thing. 0.94

01:03:02.180 And then, you know, when I decided not to run, I kind of had let down a lot of people who were there because I had like kind of led them into it. 0.97

01:03:11.520 And so then I I still feel some type of obligation to those people.

01:03:17.260 But I also have an obligation to tell the truth to my audience.

01:03:21.060 They think you would have won.

01:03:23.320 Huh?

01:03:23.600 Do you think you would have even won this nomination?

01:03:25.940 This is the discouraging part.

01:03:28.580 No, no, no, no, no.

01:03:29.560 I would have I would have won it.

01:03:31.320 But here's the thing, though.

01:03:32.580 It's not a popularity contest. 1.00

01:03:33.820 It's filled with faggots and retards and losers. 1.00

01:03:36.560 And this is why I am not a libertarian anymore. 1.00

01:03:40.160 It's not because of the people in the Mises Caucus who have they did a bad job of. 0.66

01:03:44.280 I don't know how you you don't just completely clean house and get the people away from like these people that represent.

01:03:50.520 Well, it's not it's not that easy.

01:03:52.080 It's it's it's much easier to sit on, you know, and sit on the sidelines and say, how do you not just get rid of all these people?

01:03:57.520 But it's not it's not that easy the way the organization is designed.

01:04:01.380 Let me put this in perspective, because the only reason I lost is because Rack lost and I still got 47 percent.

01:04:08.260 So if you think Dave during the first round wouldn't have got over 50 percent.

01:04:11.840 No, but it's not it's not even that I would have been so much more like in that room.

01:04:17.480 It's possible I could have lost.

01:04:19.140 Like, in that room, it comes down to 45 percent of them were for sure going to vote for me.

01:04:26.320 How much how much of the people in the middle would have been persuaded?

01:04:29.560 Probably I still could have won that room.

01:04:31.360 I think there would have been enough people in the middle who would have been like just for the party for the party.

01:04:36.660 This is obviously the best thing to do.

01:04:38.460 But the point isn't any of that.

01:04:40.100 The point if I was running, the room would have been 90 percent my people.

01:04:45.200 That's true.

01:04:45.740 That's like they would have been a whole different thing.

01:04:47.620 The momentum never would have, like, crashed the way it did.

01:04:50.760 That's why it is ultimately on me that all of this happened.

01:04:54.560 We'll see.

01:04:55.260 Maybe it's for better or for worse.

01:04:56.560 Who knows in the long run?

01:04:57.940 But but the point is that we were 70 percent of the room in Reno.

01:05:01.960 We were only 45 percent of the room in D.C.

01:05:05.460 So it would have gone from 70 to higher than that.

01:05:09.060 I mean, I really think I just got enough people. 0.90

01:05:11.600 I know that, like, if I were running, they'd be going to their state convention and be it become a delegate and all that shit. 0.78

01:05:17.840 Whereas, like, they wouldn't necessarily have done that for for Recklenwald. 0.85

01:05:21.340 Yep.

01:05:22.100 OK, where do you does the Libertarian Party or Libertarian ideas, do they lead to what we see at every convention?

01:05:30.580 Because I brought David to the Georgia convention and this is this has been a hard one for me. 0.84

01:05:35.340 Like, I like these ideas and I've read all the shit and I listen to all the podcasts. 0.99

01:05:39.520 And then I look and this latest example is like this is what it leads to this gay dude in a cop. 0.98

01:05:45.360 Well, I mean, this is the same question that that Vin Armani asked you three years ago, I think maybe on my show.

01:05:53.500 And I feel like this guy now because of what's been going on.

01:05:57.500 Well, so I'll say this.

01:05:58.880 I think it's probably much more of a comment on what bureaucracy leads to or what a political party leads to than what like actually implemented libertarianism leads to.

01:06:11.040 Dude, there's a if you want to get down on the LP, there's a bunch of articles that Murray Rothbard wrote in like 89 and 90 about the Libertarian Party, like as he was leaving it.

01:06:25.820 And I will say it's a it's shocking how much of that still applies.

01:06:31.040 Now, my look, my gamble here for a while with the LP when I was planning on running and I still look, there's a thing where like, look, for all those guys who were like critics of the LP strategy and all of that.

01:06:44.880 Look, I again, it's kind of like you can take your victory lap if you want to.

01:06:49.020 The thing has has ended up with Chase being the nominee.

01:06:52.420 I get the point of that. 0.97

01:06:53.640 But what changed was me deciding not to run and the the gamble that I was making was like, yeah, I've read all that Rothbard shit. 0.52

01:07:02.360 I get all your criticisms of the party, but I'm in this unique position where I have a bigger audience than the entire party apparatus put together.

01:07:11.160 And I can kind of lead this charge.

01:07:13.400 And if I'm the guy running, then I will be able to control what the messaging is that represents libertarianism.

01:07:18.400 And so I think we could have overcome a lot of these problems.

01:07:22.360 The flaw in the strategy was that I ended up not being able to do it.

01:07:27.260 But anyway, one of the things Rothbard talks about was how the liberty movement in general and he broke it up into two broad categories that he called he called rednecks and yuppies.

01:07:41.240 I love the rednecks. 1.00

01:07:42.600 Because and he was like, give me the rednecks. 1.00

01:07:45.420 He was like, screw these yuppies. 0.98

01:07:47.200 I want the rednecks. 1.00

01:07:48.660 No, no, no. 0.97

01:07:49.460 These are not Jewish people, but the non-Jews. 1.00

01:07:55.600 No, but there's something where.

01:07:59.280 Look, if you're talking about like implementing just in theory, like you could snap your fingers and you implemented like laissez-faire free markets in the country or something like that.

01:08:08.880 It's no, you're not just doing that for weirdos who are at the LP.

01:08:11.880 You're doing that for all of blue collar America. 0.83

01:08:15.000 All you know what I mean?

01:08:15.700 And like that's so no, I don't think that in any sense the convention or the the gayness of the convention that you're kind of getting at is is like that's what libertarian policies lead to. 0.71

01:08:29.860 And it's very disheartening as somebody who top he shows me what libertarianism is.

01:08:35.940 He explains it to me.

01:08:37.080 I go, oh, that's that's pretty interesting.

01:08:38.460 He goes, these are the people who are involved with it.

01:08:41.660 It turns into.

01:08:42.320 Well, and I look at the people that are involved with it and I'm like, oh, these are people that, you know, you could admire. 0.96

01:08:47.380 And and it's very much like meeting someone and being like, oh, no, they're they're retarded. 0.97

01:08:52.380 Like I was brought to this entire convention and I'd looked around at these people and then I looked at the way that it ended and I went, that's strange.

01:08:59.060 This is not at all.

01:09:00.780 What's up?

01:09:01.260 There's that side, right?

01:09:02.400 There's the side of this goofy side that you see. 0.99

01:09:04.180 And that's really fun to dunk on and talk shit about. 0.96

01:09:05.940 But then there's the side of, like, if this actually does work, what the values actually are. 0.98

01:09:11.020 I understand that the people aren't a reflection of the the the principles themselves are not that they're separated from the people who show up, the goofy assholes who show up or the people who are. 0.73

01:09:22.460 Yeah, but this happens a lot.

01:09:24.260 There's just there's a separation between like, say, an idea, like the belief in a set of policies and then the people who are attracted to that belief in a set of policies.

01:09:35.920 Are not all exactly the same thing.

01:09:37.780 And you get this a lot. 0.88

01:09:38.780 Look, dude, I bet like abolitionists during slavery had like some real goofball characters in there, because when you're taking a position like in 1845, when like one percent of the country supported abolishing slavery, who the fuck is going to be the crazy enough person to go along with that one percent of people? 0.95

01:09:55.180 You're going to get like some wild types of characters. 0.62

01:09:58.240 Look at even like a like Norman Finkelstein or someone like that, who's like so great on the history of the Israel war.

01:10:04.940 But he's like clearly like a very bizarre guy.

01:10:07.860 Like, who do you have to be to be the Jew who stands up and goes like in the 70s, stood up and was like, no, you know what I mean? 0.71

01:10:15.260 Like, this is a colonial power, Israel. 0.84

01:10:18.120 Like you kind of.

01:10:19.080 So I just think those two things need to be separated, like the person and the views.

01:10:23.260 I think it's important, too, to realize that when you're pitching freedom, it's going to also attract a lot of people.

01:10:28.940 They're like, keep your hands off my furry outfit.

01:10:31.940 You know, freedom for what?

01:10:33.540 This is this is like the whole idea.

01:10:35.000 This is my point, though, is that you're going to attract you're going to attract people that want to be left alone to live a very honorable moral lifestyle. 0.99

01:10:41.160 And then you're going to attract a bunch of fucking degenerate lunatics that just want to be left alone so that they can be as perverse as possible. 0.99

01:10:46.600 So you're going to get both. 1.00

01:10:48.140 Here's the thing, though.

01:10:48.580 You guys have huge, sizable audiences that you're convincing them, convincing them of these ideas.

01:10:53.540 We have no idea what their actual ideals and their morals are.

01:10:57.200 So you're preaching like half of this thing that could be very dangerous.

01:11:01.380 Well, what do you mean?

01:11:01.940 I think if they're listening to us, then then you already know that their morals are not in the degenerate lane that they're like they're not they're not there because they want to, you know, do drugs and then, you know, traffic children.

01:11:13.220 They're there because they're listening to us like that.

01:11:15.440 I don't I don't see how you would get that from listening to Dave or I'll just go like jump.

01:11:19.720 I'll jump the fence here.

01:11:21.660 The the Libertarian Party, the good ones, where are they at on abortion?

01:11:25.960 Because as far as I'm concerned, this just looks like a mass murder blood ritual to me.

01:11:30.900 Where are they at on that?

01:11:31.800 This is very important when we're talking about if we're having freedom or not.

01:11:36.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I I certainly don't disagree with that.

01:11:39.220 That's why I've made my feelings on abortion very clear.

01:11:41.600 And so, like, look, if your argument is that somebody who's a pro-choice libertarian is still like basically really horrible on this very important issue, I don't disagree with that.

01:11:54.180 Like, I think, yeah, I think abortion is particularly like there there are exceptional cases of abortion that are like really crazy situations like where the baby is very sick or something like that.

01:12:08.060 And I don't want to do this argument.

01:12:09.300 But I'm saying, like, those those things aside, the idea of abortion, the way it is practiced for the most part in our country.

01:12:15.940 Yeah, it's pretty it's a pretty sick. 0.99

01:12:17.960 Well, Planned Parenthood is fucking shaped like a pyramid and they're killing is literally made by what was her name? 0.99

01:12:24.440 Margaret Sanger. Was it Margaret Sanger? 1.00

01:12:26.900 Yeah, who's a what's the expression?

01:12:30.380 Eugenicist.

01:12:30.900 Eugenicist. And I don't think she was a big fan of black people either. 0.84

01:12:34.040 And it's like, who's the number one customer base?

01:12:37.120 Who's the number one customer of Planned Parenthood? 1.00

01:12:39.800 It's fucking the black community. 1.00

01:12:40.960 And you go, well, what apparatus allows that to survive? 1.00

01:12:43.880 Is that? Well, yeah.

01:12:44.460 But does that fall under that, too?

01:12:46.020 Well, the government is the apparatus that allows that to survive.

01:12:49.040 Right.

01:12:49.280 This is like, you know, the government, the government education system.

01:12:52.380 I mean, that's that is kind of I mean, you're talking about a government funded organization.

01:12:57.160 So I'd say that's at least part of it.

01:13:00.040 You know, I think there's also a thing with a lot of libertarians, particularly the more left leaning libertarians, where there's also a weird thing when we don't live in a libertarian society and all of these things exist.

01:13:13.500 It's very easy for them to say they're libertarians.

01:13:15.860 Like, yeah, I believe that no tax dollars should go to Planned Parenthood, but I still believe in the right to do it.

01:13:19.980 But but that's also because they have the luxury of like having a Planned Parenthood that does have tax dollars go to it.

01:13:24.940 And you wonder if that society were to actually be brought about, how many of them would still be ideologically libertarians or like how many of them would then at that point, you know, like if welfare was actually gone in all of its forms, would you still be just advocating for it?

01:13:40.380 Or would you maybe lose your principles and start advocating it returns?

01:13:44.140 Because I think like many of us know, that's one of the problems with the degeneracy in the libertarian movement is it's almost like I feel like libertarianism is the solution to their problem.

01:13:54.120 Like, OK, see how that's going to work out under a real free market conditions.

01:13:58.860 And dog, we know how it works out.

01:14:00.560 It's like, would you would you live at Porkfest?

01:14:03.020 No, exactly.

01:14:04.380 Because that's what it is. 0.99

01:14:05.420 It's fucking I wouldn't bring my kids to Porkfest. 0.99

01:14:07.380 Me neither. But that's a libertarian society. 0.99

01:14:09.720 And I look at them. I appreciate that they're doing it the right way.

01:14:12.180 But I'm like, this shit is kind of evil looking. 0.99

01:14:15.180 It's not. No. But here's the thing. 0.99

01:14:17.300 Again, you're you're you're conflating the people who are attracted to the message of libertarianism.

01:14:23.360 And that's libertarian society.

01:14:25.700 That's no more libertarian or less libertarian than any festival that you go to.

01:14:29.800 And if you go to a festival, you could go to Skankfest or you could go to Porkfest or you could go to an Amish festival. 0.79

01:14:36.280 Or you could go to like some Christian festival or whatever.

01:14:39.400 It's like there's that's and they're all equally libertarian.

01:14:42.840 I mean, in the sense that there's a government and stuff like that, and they're still just organizing like voluntarily.

01:14:47.880 So I don't think that that's I think what the libertarian outcome, the point I was getting, which I think kind of contradicts your point, is that I actually think that the the absence of a welfare state and the absence of like overreaching government is going to do more to put out the flame of degeneracy than almost any other policy.

01:15:09.620 Short of, you know, like real deal authoritarian policies, which are kind of popular to flirt with amongst like reactionary groups.

01:15:19.720 But you also really wouldn't want to live under under those.

01:15:23.200 You really don't want to live under a North Korea type system or a Nazi type system.

01:15:27.540 It's really like even as bad as what we have right now is there is worse.

01:15:32.160 And those systems actually are worse.

01:15:34.160 So what libertarianism, libertarianism is the ultimate compromise in a way.

01:15:38.980 It's here's a way to put out the degeneracy, but do it without beating people over the head with a with a baton.

01:15:45.800 OK, I and I agree. 0.91

01:15:47.660 I'm not going to get goofy on you and say, like, let's let's all be Nazis.

01:15:50.660 It's a funny meme, right? 0.99

01:15:52.020 Like all the shit that we say, it's hilarious. 0.97

01:15:54.040 It moves the culture in a certain way and it lets people lets people's minds open and pushes boundaries. 0.98

01:15:59.860 That's fun.

01:16:00.820 What I'm saying is libertarianism kind of always does go back to that.

01:16:05.540 But the best kind of libertarianism are the people that we see the best kind.

01:16:08.840 Who are the best libertarians, in your opinion?

01:16:11.760 The best libertarians?

01:16:13.580 Living, living.

01:16:14.100 Well, Ron Paul, number one, Lou Rockwell, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Tom Woods, Jeff Deist, you know, Scott Horton.

01:16:28.500 I don't know. 0.99

01:16:29.820 Whenever I do this, I'm going to be missing somebody and I feel like an asshole. 0.97

01:16:33.300 My top three, my top three will be Ron Paul, who is, well, he's a Christian, but main thing, God, Tom Woods, Catholic, God, Jeff Deist. 0.99

01:16:43.520 I think he's also, I think he's an ortho.

01:16:46.160 I'm not even sure.

01:16:47.020 But God, there is some.

01:16:48.520 No, he's not.

01:16:49.880 I don't know.

01:16:50.520 I don't know how much Jeff Deist talks about any of this stuff, but I don't.

01:16:54.220 I think I think it should be talked about more because the brand of libertarianism that Ron Paul is going to present to you is going to be vastly different than one of, I don't know, like Walter Block.

01:17:05.660 And then there's that question of, well, what's missing?

01:17:07.800 What's missing in this recipe here?

01:17:09.720 And, you know, it's not popular to say, but I'm just going to say it.

01:17:13.240 God, I think God is missing from this recipe.

01:17:15.620 I don't think that's true, though, because Ron Paul very rarely talked about God.

01:17:19.540 That's not that's not what his message was.

01:17:21.080 That's not what the movement was about.

01:17:22.360 It wasn't him going like we all got to come to God and then end the Fed.

01:17:25.640 It was just end the Fed.

01:17:26.580 You know, his his prescription was abolish the system that is oppressing us.

01:17:30.880 And then from there, it's up to you what you create.

01:17:33.620 But yes, for him personally and for all of the best libertarians I know, they were living in a moral, you know, I don't know if Christ like fashion, but certainly family oriented type of way.

01:17:44.680 Where does that come from?

01:17:45.820 Where do those morals come from? 1.00

01:17:46.940 Because like this, this is kind of what you were talking about with that guy.

01:17:50.200 Do they come from God or do they come from your ideas and what you think as a as a person?

01:17:55.960 I don't I don't know.

01:17:57.320 But the the pattern that I'm recognizing, the people that I agree with most, which would be a Ron Paul and like a Tom Woods type, they align with me on those important issues.

01:18:07.800 And now I'm saying, why?

01:18:10.380 Why are we are we are you guys attracting a certain type of person?

01:18:14.860 Are you missing something?

01:18:16.660 What's going on?

01:18:17.320 How could how could this be perfected, done better?

01:18:20.260 There's no reason that that it should be the laughingstock that it is now.

01:18:23.200 Because the momentum and the role that the Libertarian Party was playing in the last four years, right up until Trump goes on the stage. 0.91

01:18:29.840 And again, I don't know what the fuck these people are thinking, but like you guys are major players. 0.90

01:18:35.580 And it's like, well, there's we're missing something here. 0.98

01:18:38.740 What's going on?

01:18:39.640 Well, look, there's there's a lot there.

01:18:44.780 So I will say that.

01:18:48.440 OK, the one of the things that first started softening me on my atheism was exactly what you're talking about, that just so many of the people who I thought were like the best people were believers.

01:19:03.780 And this isn't what, you know, this isn't how I found God, but it did like soften me on my atheism.

01:19:10.680 It started making me, I think, like opening me up toward the possibility a little bit more and not just libertarians, just like people I know in my life were like, oh, the best people I know are like all Christian.

01:19:21.220 Oh, that's kind of interesting, you know, and and some and some Jewish.

01:19:26.080 But there's to your point with the LP, look, this is one of the major things that's kind of made me take a step back.

01:19:33.200 And I I feel like my obligation, as always, is to be, you know, blunt and honest with my audience and that I was like, look, when when our people were 70 percent of the room, it didn't really seem to matter as much because we could just jam through whatever we wanted to.

01:19:49.260 And we would pick all of the people. And it was like, OK, the freaks are kind of kept over in the corner a little bit with us being 45 percent of the room.

01:19:57.380 It just didn't feel that way anymore. And it did feel like, oh, these guys like they're.

01:20:04.580 I don't know, just a lot of people there who are the type of people who are never going to persuade others that there's anything serious here because you're so fundamentally unserious.

01:20:14.200 And so that is that is a problem. And they're viciously upset with the people that are good at messaging their belief system, which is always a insult to injury.

01:20:22.820 I mean, let's just be honest, like there is very there was very limited, if any, upside for me to be running for VP.

01:20:29.060 So for Dave, there's literally negative upside, most likely because you're not going to get on any bigger platforms unless you end up on a debate stage or something like that with RFK or something crazy.

01:20:37.880 So it's like the the upside for our best messengers to do that role is is negative.

01:20:46.460 So it's very it's very tough to look and I'll say people to do it.

01:20:50.500 And look, none of this is the reason why I didn't run.

01:20:53.960 No, I know. But I'm speaking for other candidates.

01:20:55.620 Sure. No, no. But I think it's a point worth making is that it's like, you know, look, that's the reality of the situation for any of the guys who you'd want to do this.

01:21:04.740 And if you just say like a short list of people like me or Clint, that a lot of our guys wanted to run and people, I think, would have gotten way behind Clint running for president if he had when I had, you know, and they came to you asking you for that.

01:21:19.860 Yeah. Or if you'd want to.

01:21:21.120 That's why you can't take all the blame either, because I didn't do it and I would have wanted to.

01:21:24.600 So there you go. Take a little bit off me.

01:21:27.360 But like Tom Woods or Jeff Dice or like anyone like that, if you're asking them to run for president on the Libertarian Party ticket, you're asking those people to make an enormous sacrifice.

01:21:39.140 That's just a factual matter. It just is what it is.

01:21:41.720 It would be an enormous sacrifice for any of them to do that.

01:21:44.880 Tom Woods is a wife. He's got five daughters. He's very, very successful, like a very successful entrepreneur.

01:21:51.200 And you would be asking him to just make this enormous sacrifice and a sacrifice for his family.

01:21:57.180 And that's true for all these guys. And then if they were to go do it, you go like, oh, yeah.

01:22:02.200 And like 20 percent of the LP is going to try to ruin your life, like not even like oppose you on some issues.

01:22:10.220 I'm saying literally try to ruin your life.

01:22:13.600 They're going to try. Oh, and then, by the way, on top of that, at least in my experience, I can't even I can't even count on my own side.

01:22:20.680 Like when the plan was to go do this, I can't count on the guys in New Hampshire to not just say, no, fuck you. 0.99

01:22:28.020 We're doing what we're doing. And you go and I can't go, dude, you're making us all look awful. 1.00

01:22:32.720 Just please stop doing this. Nope. They won't do that.

01:22:35.900 If I have one strategy in Arizona where I think we should back this former anarchist who's Ron Paul endorsed and instead of running a libertarian for no reason to spoil it, mutiny on my hands.

01:22:47.520 And so I don't like I don't completely disagree with some of the dynamics you're talking about, top.

01:22:53.560 And I think there's even more than you're getting at that make this really difficult.

01:22:57.240 And that's a part of why I got to take a step back now.

01:23:00.360 Now that this this cycle is over and it ends with Chase as the nominee, I kind of have to reevaluate.

01:23:06.640 You know, I'm the guy I am and I'm going to keep being the guy I am.

01:23:10.160 If I'm going to be like, hey, look, here's what we should do, I got to make damn sure that that's the right thing to do.

01:23:17.100 That being said, I don't think any of that is a is a comment on the legal theory of libertarianism, if that makes sense.

01:23:25.380 All right. Can I add can I add one quick thing?

01:23:27.240 Because you continue to point at this, like because libertarianism is attractive to some people that we find reprehensible.

01:23:33.960 Maybe the philosophy itself is is what's flawed. And I and I take your your point seriously.

01:23:39.980 I think that the the issue is that not just flawed, Clint, but I think it's close to Satanism.

01:23:45.540 But go ahead. Yes, I know. And we'll get into that.

01:23:49.380 But from my vantage point, libertarianism is a thin philosophy where like it's only it's only really describing how the society ought to be structured when it comes to governance.

01:24:02.100 It's not about the moral framework of the people. The moral framework of the people, I think, is is ultimately like it's requisite that you have a moral people if you're going to have a sound libertarian society.

01:24:14.620 So like you need both. But in terms of libertarian philosophy, for the most part, it is not it is not a a philosophy and totality of like how every single human is to think and behave and like their moral makeup.

01:24:27.120 I think this is why, like, so many of the best libertarians do have a Christian background or or religious background. 0.95

01:24:33.960 So I think that's that's the issue that are the pushback I wanted to give you is that, like, you're describing it as if, like, libertarianism leads to Satanism or devil worship or fucking whatever. 0.73

01:24:43.180 It's like I I don't know any libertarians that do that or feel that way. 0.92

01:24:47.880 I haven't seen it at the party that was collecting hair off of chairs to put whatever.

01:24:52.800 No, there's no one's done. There's some crazies there.

01:24:56.100 Well, listen, listen, I want to I got to stare because we're fucking 42 minutes into a show called Nephilim Death Squad. 0.96

01:25:01.120 And it's time to get fucking weird because I'm going to have a stroke if we mention anything else that has to do with the libertarian party at this point.

01:25:06.300 What I want to talk about is is something that I genuinely want to ask you guys, because I find you both.

01:25:13.720 I find you both fascinating in the journey that you're on top.

01:25:18.080 I mean, I'm sorry. Clint keeps getting this sort of Nephilim question knocking at his door.

01:25:23.560 Dave, you you've come over to believing that there is a God and it was with the birth of your child, correct?

01:25:29.860 How long has that been now? Five years ago, five and a half years ago, five and a half years ago.

01:25:34.440 So when you see things because if there's a God, right, when you when you talk about God, you you're saying that there is a creator to this world and he's of a spiritual nature, right?

01:25:46.560 He's not physically in this realm. And so somewhere in a spiritual realm, there is a force that has created this entire universe that we inhabit.

01:25:53.340 Is that as far as you're willing to go? Well, yeah.

01:25:57.320 Yeah. And that and that he's like one thing, like it's one God and that he wants us to be good.

01:26:10.120 OK. And there's like like that. It's kind of hard to like describe or exactly put into words, but it's just like finding it.

01:26:17.600 This is like the thing that you always had in your mind about God. That's real.

01:26:21.960 It's a force. You know what I mean? And it's it's singular and it's completely in charge and wants us to be good people.

01:26:31.320 Now, would you venture to imagine? Go ahead.

01:26:33.920 That that idea. So he wants us to be good. Yeah, that's that's like what's good.

01:26:39.260 We don't know what God wants.

01:26:42.400 I feel like I know. I think that's one of the things that really that really kind of opened me up to it was that it was like this very weird.

01:26:51.960 feeling that like I know what he wants from me. If you saw I believe that honorable and like to do honorable.

01:26:57.940 Yeah. Well, I mean, I could give you very specific things, but it's like the if you're ever when you're at your lowest point and you start talking to God, which which anyone, any atheist included could be pushed to that point.

01:27:12.320 Like they're whatever they say. There's no atheist in a foxhole or whatever that you know what I mean?

01:27:15.980 Like there's your planes going down. You start believing pretty quickly.

01:27:19.660 And that that in itself is kind of interesting that when the shit hits the fan, we all kind of know God exists. 0.98

01:27:26.860 But also immediately you're going to start bargaining with him and you're going to find out, you know, exactly what he wants. 0.98

01:27:33.000 You're going to be like, OK, I promise I'll stop doing this. I promise I'll do this.

01:27:36.080 I know I got to call my mom no more. I know I got to always protect my kids.

01:27:39.280 I know I'll be a good husband to my wife. I'll do it. You know what I mean?

01:27:41.920 Like you you kind of find out right away that you do actually know what he wants from rock bottom does have a way of giving you clarity to choose him.

01:27:50.560 This is this is the whole idea of what what I'm getting to.

01:27:52.740 So God doesn't just want you to do good. He wants you to constantly choose him.

01:27:57.600 And it's constantly giving consent to this or that.

01:28:01.300 And the good what Dave would say is the good is just choosing God because you're kind of emulating what he would do.

01:28:06.660 And the idea of liberty, right, it goes back to Adam and Eve in the garden.

01:28:13.020 So you have the the accuser or the tempter that's going to tell her, well, if you if you do this, then you'll have such and such power.

01:28:21.860 You'll be like God. This is like the liberty.

01:28:24.540 You're given the liberty to choose. But God is constantly saying, like, no, you got to choose me.

01:28:29.000 And when you're given that liberty, it seems like we always choose the apple every single time.

01:28:34.820 And isn't that also part of Christian framework or theology that, like, it's it's the free will is what makes this special that you've chosen God because you had that choice.

01:28:46.180 Well, it's like the love of for God means nothing if you can't choose it.

01:28:49.840 Love means nothing if you can't choose it of your own free will.

01:28:53.160 Then it's slavery. But if you choose it, if you choose fealty to God by by choice, then it's love.

01:28:59.140 So it's almost like liberty is the temptation in this in this equation here.

01:29:04.500 No, I think the temptation would be doing something, doing the wrong thing with your liberty would be the temptation.

01:29:12.440 You get the choice of the ability to do that.

01:29:14.580 I don't think the ability to is is evil.

01:29:17.780 I mean, it's not evil in itself, but it's it's opening the door for that.

01:29:22.460 And what I'm saying is that, like, like, I'm not going to call liberty evil bad like we shouldn't have that.

01:29:28.100 That's crazy. What I'm saying is that you need both of these things.

01:29:31.400 So you have to have the ability to choose and then you have to choose this other thing, God, because if you don't, then you end up in this spiral where we're at now.

01:29:40.320 Yeah, but see, the problem with this is that when you're extrapolating things from God down to libertarianism, libertarianism is not dealing in the realm of whether God is ruling over us or he's not.

01:29:54.020 It's we're dealing in the realm of whether other men are ruling over us or they're not.

01:29:58.000 So even in this in this framework, when you say, oh, but it's almost like the question is, should you even have that choice?

01:30:05.320 Should you even have the choice between doing good and doing bad?

01:30:07.760 Because isn't liberty just giving you the option to do bad?

01:30:10.760 But we would never get to be forced to do good.

01:30:14.160 We'd get to be forced to do what some person with a lot of power over us has decided is right.

01:30:21.020 And so you can point to examples of where people have had their liberty and chose the wrong thing.

01:30:25.740 But I could also point to a lot of point examples of where the people who rule over us have had the power to make our choices for us and they've made the wrong choices.

01:30:34.800 And so I still think it becomes a self-defeating argument.

01:30:38.300 It's if people are so bad at making the right choice with their liberty, how are they going to do at ruling over other people with power?

01:30:49.220 Right. We're still dealing with human beings.

01:30:50.900 That's why that's why I kept saying to you, Top, that I think that these are complementary beliefs.

01:30:54.760 It's like Christianity, I think, is very important.

01:31:00.080 But I also, as someone who's more agnostic, I think that there's lessons in all the religions that are kind of universal that I think are really beautiful.

01:31:07.680 And they tie together and they ultimately create people that might function better in a libertarian framework.

01:31:13.640 But I think that the libertarian framework isn't addressing the religious aspects of society.

01:31:18.760 And that's why I don't think it's fair to blame liberty itself for the downfall of America or any other nation.

01:31:26.160 In fact, I think that quite the opposite, that it's the decrease of liberty and the accumulation of power at the top of the structure that has ultimately deteriorated down below.

01:31:37.160 Well, that's my view of things. But what do you think?

01:31:40.480 You know, it makes a lot of sense. But the symbology that's all surrounded by liberty really gives me pause.

01:31:48.260 And I know this is where you jump off, Dave. But when I'm looking around in current society or even old society, there's symbols everywhere.

01:31:57.120 And they're kind of telling you their agenda. You'll see pedophile symbols. You'll see this and that.

01:32:02.880 But Dave, you want to take this from here?

01:32:04.860 Well, look, I don't necessarily want to go there yet because I was trying to get to a point with this line of questioning with with Dave.

01:32:13.380 Dave, we talked earlier, you spoke earlier about how there is this flip side of the coin, right, that there's there's sort of a light in a darkness and people will sort of align themselves with God and then fight this this evil.

01:32:29.680 Right. And I would say that there is a law of opposites.

01:32:32.760 Do you think that it is a fair thing to assume that if there is a God, which is already where you stand from, then there would be something that is an opposition to him?

01:32:42.580 And since he is at least as far as you're willing to concede, which I think is fair.

01:32:48.520 Since he is a spiritual entity that has created this entire realm that we inhabit, then the force and opposition to him may also be of a spiritual nature as real as God.

01:33:00.400 Sure. Well, I think one of the things that when you find God or if you if you were always a believer or whatever, you do you all of a sudden have to look at the whole world in kind of a different way.

01:33:16.200 And sometimes that doesn't exactly dawn on you right away.

01:33:18.840 But a lot of times you realize that the gaps between what is scientific and what is spiritual are kind of artificial themselves.

01:33:27.560 There's a lot of things that we just have words for that we the words don't even really mean anything.

01:33:34.740 It's a good word for instinct.

01:33:38.000 Instinct is a good example of that.

01:33:39.740 You know, if someone goes, how does a bug know to do that?

01:33:42.920 How does the ant know to hand this off to the other?

01:33:44.880 They go, oh, it's instinct.

01:33:46.260 What does that mean?

01:33:47.240 Really?

01:33:48.260 You're like, I don't know.

01:33:49.300 It's in them.

01:33:50.060 You know what I mean?

01:33:50.760 It's like it's it's man's kind of feeble attempt to grasp.

01:33:53.420 Yes.

01:33:53.700 In my opinion, God's creation.

01:33:55.240 I remember the idea of ideas like, yeah, yeah, sure.

01:33:59.920 Yes.

01:34:00.400 Things like that that we so because we give it a word and we just and we kind of live.

01:34:05.860 I understand that now.

01:34:07.400 Yeah, right.

01:34:08.020 We kind of convince ourselves.

01:34:09.340 We understand that the way the same way I kind of really feel like I understand how my phone works.

01:34:13.540 You know what I mean?

01:34:14.100 But I don't.

01:34:15.300 But I feel like it because I use it every day.

01:34:16.880 But so, yeah, we give it a word like idea and then when you live in our very reductionist kind of secular post God world, it's easy to say, oh, no, we know the scientific answer for that.

01:34:27.800 It's an idea.

01:34:28.260 But just thinking about the word idea is like you could trip on mushrooms for three hours about that. 0.98

01:34:34.760 What the fuck is an idea, you know? 0.96

01:34:37.000 And and so in a sense, I remember hearing this one debate once. 0.98

01:34:42.080 I can't remember who it was, but it was like atheism versus Christianity type debate.

01:34:47.280 And that what the guy who was arguing for Christianity started talking about evil spirits.

01:34:52.540 And then I remember the atheist guy said something about how like evil spirits is just another assertion.

01:34:57.040 There's something you can't prove.

01:34:58.500 And then he goes, look, we all know that there are dark forces that people can fall into depression, this and that.

01:35:03.960 Well, I just remember the word and the guy didn't even jump on it.

01:35:06.740 But I just remember the moment he said dark forces. 1.00

01:35:09.740 And you're like, he literally just went, oh, this is so stupid. 1.00

01:35:12.560 This evil spirit. 1.00

01:35:13.880 What are you, some rube? 0.95

01:35:15.440 Anyway, there's dark force. 1.00

01:35:16.900 You know, it's like, what the fuck is that? 0.97

01:35:18.780 What's the difference? 0.99

01:35:19.940 What are we even arguing over?

01:35:21.220 Is this just semantics?

01:35:22.680 Whether you call it that or that we're talking about the same thing.

01:35:25.700 And like, so is there this opposite of the flip side?

01:35:29.060 I mean, yeah, there's hell, dude.

01:35:31.140 Like there's people live in living hells.

01:35:33.600 We've all known people who put themselves into a living hell because they just do all the wrong things.

01:35:38.820 And like, you know, like, and so like anybody who's ever suffered or felt depressed or anything like that, you know, yeah, there's darkness in this world.

01:35:47.020 Call that whatever you want to.

01:35:48.780 But it's a force.

01:35:50.260 It's not something we can tangibly measure scientifically.

01:35:53.860 It exists.

01:35:55.100 It's real.

01:35:56.140 We know it's real because we experience it.

01:35:58.640 Call that whatever you want to.

01:36:00.260 So, yeah, I'm so I'm growing more and more.

01:36:04.020 I'll just say this real quickly at the end.

01:36:05.840 I'm growing more and more comfortable with like as a young atheist, I would have been more comfortable with like dark forces rather than evil spirits.

01:36:14.960 The older I get, the more I find something about the evil spirits more attractive because you're like, at least they're throwing themselves on the mercy of like we can't know what it is because it's the spiritual force outside of us.

01:36:27.580 Whereas the like dark forces, atheist guides, like you're just trying to pretend you know what this is, but it's just as much of a mystery to you.

01:36:34.720 So that makes sense.

01:36:36.640 We had interactions.

01:36:37.700 Go ahead.

01:36:38.020 Before you go, I got I got to just say one quick thing.

01:36:40.540 The reason I try not to go towards the good and evil path, particularly when it comes to analysis of human beings, is that I have known too many people that have participated in evil that I don't think are.

01:36:52.220 And I think that if you if you blanket like just label everybody that supports, you know, X war evil, you know, like because what they're in what they're supporting is evil.

01:37:03.360 But like I still recognize that there are forces that are acting upon them that ultimately could lead them astray.

01:37:09.860 And should I should I condemn them as a human being forever because of that wrong decision?

01:37:15.540 And I think that oftentimes that's a big, big, big mistake.

01:37:19.000 Which ironically is a very Christian thing to say. 0.69

01:37:21.240 I think it's a little bit of a scapegoat, though, because you're alluding to like some of these people.

01:37:25.980 Let's say that they're choosing the Israel side.

01:37:27.980 Like you'll see all kinds of people. 0.98

01:37:29.560 They're like, oh, we got to finish off all those Palestinians. 1.00

01:37:31.900 You're saying that maybe they have like monetary pressures or social pressures or maybe it's just like, I don't know, maybe it's just something kind of evil on there.

01:37:41.380 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:37:42.380 I don't know, top. 0.99

01:37:43.100 And I really I don't know how much you're like joking or how much you've actually fallen down the like fucking Jewish like hate train. 0.99

01:37:52.080 But I don't know, dude. 0.99

01:37:53.780 I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and I lived in Manhattan my whole life.

01:37:57.140 I know lots of like really good Jewish people like there.

01:38:01.040 Lots of them probably support Israel just because they've kind of been propagandized to do it their whole life.

01:38:06.440 And it's easy to say, oh, no, they're all evil if they're on the wrong side of this issue.

01:38:11.000 But the truth is that, you know, like almost every one of those people who, you know, would would be like, no, that's no excuse or whatever.

01:38:19.080 All the like like the popular like blame the Jews for everything crowd.

01:38:24.980 I mean, all the people who they love, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a little bit older. 1.00

01:38:29.440 It was only 20 years ago that every single one of them was telling you, if you didn't know that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, that's because you are a homo and you fucking hate America and blah, blah, blah. 0.98

01:38:40.640 And they told it's like the amount of evil that I've seen every little nook and cranny in this country be propagandized into. 0.99

01:38:47.600 Dude, people get fucking fooled, man. 0.98

01:38:50.700 And I don't know. 1.00

01:38:52.100 That's not to say when you have a conflict like the one in Israel, it will also draw in some fucking sociopaths who are really rooting for blood. 0.98

01:38:59.220 Let's not say the one in Israel because, all right, I understand what you're getting. 0.98

01:39:01.880 That's not that's not at all what I was getting at the JQ or whatever we're talking about here.

01:39:06.160 Let's let's just say like trans and kids.

01:39:08.700 There's people who full out support that they're not being monetarily supported.

01:39:12.900 There's something going on or maybe even like your detractors in the LP.

01:39:17.600 The ones that would ruin your life over an ideology.

01:39:19.720 When you look at them in the face and you see their eyes and you go, is this like a person in there? 0.99

01:39:25.960 Like what the fuck is going on here? 0.99

01:39:27.460 Even better. 0.98

01:39:28.960 What I was trying to get to is when you see this, because I think after 2020, nobody can be really in denial anymore.

01:39:36.920 This overwhelming backdrop, especially to Western society in all sorts of things.

01:39:42.320 If you want to talk about geopolitically, you have Zelensky trying to make Marina Mbromovich, who's an overt Satanist, who who who is an artist who takes pictures in mock baby corpses. 0.99

01:39:57.020 He's trying to make her the ambassador of education to Ukraine.

01:40:00.460 Within politics, there is an overt Luciferian element that pops its head up every once in a while over in the sense in comparison to what we would maybe have seen 20, 30 years ago.

01:40:12.360 Certainly within the music industry, within American culture, there is an element of Luciferianism.

01:40:19.000 You have this strange thing popping up over and over again.

01:40:22.060 We talk about it ad nauseum on this show when Hillary Clinton's emails leak and she's talking about, you know, where is the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh and the location of the buried Nephilim.

01:40:32.920 There is this biblical and also Luciferian, which is redundant in a lot of ways, element biblical.

01:40:41.960 There's like, you know, this spans across all ancient texts.

01:40:45.160 They're talking about the same stuff.

01:40:46.520 But my question is, Dave, when you when you come to this realization, and I'm sure it's it's not a light one to say that God exists.

01:40:53.860 And I'm sure that since it came about in such a profound way with the birth of your child, you seemingly were already kind of on the path there.

01:41:01.840 But that was what solidified it.

01:41:03.080 This is a an important thing, right, because we're talking about the the profound realization that there is a a creator to this universe.

01:41:12.740 And then you can see the elements of that creator's opposition echoed throughout American culture, Western society, Western politics.

01:41:24.400 What do you let's just leave it at that.

01:41:26.560 What do you make of that opposition? 0.98

01:41:28.380 And the fact that it's so fleshed out in such a kind of a cliche way, like you'll see Sam Smith now and he's he's out there all gay with the gay devil outfit on. 0.69

01:41:39.340 And and that's real fun to look at and be like, oh, this is like a show. 0.77

01:41:42.200 This is a Satanism show.

01:41:43.300 Right.

01:41:43.500 This is a word that's thrown around a lot. 1.00

01:41:44.900 But then there's a lot of other things that are just kind of, I don't know, spooky, kind of give you a pause like you really did that shit. 0.97

01:41:51.360 And there I will agree there are spooky things that are, yeah, way more dominant in our culture than ever before. 0.99

01:41:59.480 And the trans kid thing is probably right at the top of the list of that. 0.87

01:42:04.120 But there's a lot.

01:42:05.280 And then there's also just a lot of how crazy there's almost this weird, you know, you kind of get in touch with this when you do stand up comedy is there's a weird thing where like.

01:42:20.000 It's an interesting like task to have to draw a laugh out of a room full of people.

01:42:26.400 It's not it's different than just saying something that they think is funny.

01:42:29.560 Like there's a way you could say something that people might think is funny, but it's not going to get like an audible laugh.

01:42:36.020 And part of comedy is not just coming up with like a funny joke.

01:42:39.460 It's also like figuring out the language of how to present this in the way that will draw the biggest laugh.

01:42:45.660 And it's kind of like a trance like dynamic where you have to like kind of draw this thing out of people. 0.87

01:42:52.720 You're a witch, Dave Smith.

01:42:54.340 Well, you know, there's some element to that. 0.96

01:42:57.340 Look, there's something to if you watch there's certain comedians who it's it's probably more clear to watch with.

01:43:02.540 If you watch Nate Bargetsy do stand up or if you watch Shane Gillis do stand up, those guys are like drawing you into their world.

01:43:13.340 Like every the way they talk, the cadence of it in a way that they're not even intending on doing, I think, to some degree.

01:43:19.540 It's why they're so naturally good at stand up comedy because they're just they draw you into their world.

01:43:24.220 They like put you in this trance or you're just and it's I think in the comedic world, it's a beautiful thing.

01:43:31.320 But there's the ability that the kind of ruling elite have had to put our society in a trance, you know, where it's like, OK, you're all 15 days to flatten the curve.

01:43:44.120 If everyone repeat after me and they all repeat, we're all in this together, we're all in this together.

01:43:48.640 It's black power now.

01:43:49.740 It's Black Lives Matter now.

01:43:51.080 That's what you must put it.

01:43:52.060 Yes, we will change our profile picture.

01:43:54.360 Yes, it's Ukraine now. 0.98

01:43:55.740 It's gays now. 1.00

01:43:56.700 It's and the amount of people that just follow.

01:44:00.040 It's it does seem something.

01:44:02.240 This is different.

01:44:03.700 This is not what society was like when I was a kid.

01:44:06.600 And so something in that realm has exploded.

01:44:09.820 And I do think they're almost all of the policies, whether you're talking about the covid stuff, the trans and the kids stuff, the wars, all of it.

01:44:17.460 It's all so outrageously evil that it's hard.

01:44:21.720 It's hard to not wonder about some of these things.

01:44:24.640 When you sacrifice a couple million babies to Moloch, do you think his power grows or does it just like is this just something fun we do? 0.98

01:44:30.880 And I'm saying that like fucking really seriously. 0.98

01:44:33.820 I don't know. 0.99

01:44:34.300 What are you doing when you have when you have a war in Ukraine where you're now down to recruiting retarded people because they're just basically getting slaughtered there? 0.98

01:44:42.000 What does that do?

01:44:43.360 Well, in a sense, right here, there's a weird look.

01:44:46.140 It goes back to my whole dark forces versus evil spirits thing.

01:44:52.100 Right.

01:44:52.320 It's like however you look at it, it's almost it's almost like it's semantics because it's the same thing that's happening.

01:44:59.600 So what does does Moloch get more power or something like that?

01:45:03.740 Well, I don't know.

01:45:04.580 But in a sense, the population at least has been totally conditioned to now accept that the legal precedent has now been set. 0.99

01:45:11.640 It is that much easier to do evil shit again in the future. 0.99

01:45:15.100 And so isn't that just another way of saying the same thing that if you do this evil shit, then it will like grow the power of evil. 1.00

01:45:22.860 Look, the same way it's like, you know how a fucking a lie leads to another lie leads to another lie. 0.99

01:45:29.180 You know, like there's whether or not the you know what what's actually going on in the spiritual realm. 0.98

01:45:36.820 The fact is that, yes, like evil begets more evil and things grow exponentially.

01:45:43.640 And I think it also it also adds to like this is what happens late stage empire.

01:45:50.040 And you also you end up with basically like a blight upon the nation's soul.

01:45:54.360 And saying this as an individualist is a weird thing for me to do.

01:45:57.020 But I do think it's real.

01:45:58.560 I think like there is something to be said for, well, we have caused and created so much harm over the world.

01:46:04.300 It's not just blowback in terms of terrorist attacks.

01:46:07.200 It's also like blowback on our souls, on our spirit.

01:46:10.000 It usually is the it's usually reflected in our economy.

01:46:12.800 But it's the John Quincy Adams quote where he goes, if we go around the world looking for monsters to slay, we will become the dickatrice of the world.

01:46:20.060 But we will lose our own soul. 1.00

01:46:22.220 It's like this motherfucker said this like hundreds of years ago. 1.00

01:46:25.840 You're like, God damn. 1.00

01:46:27.300 How did you really? 0.99

01:46:28.060 And it is just like, isn't that exactly what happened?

01:46:31.040 And there is some weird collective sense to it, dude.

01:46:33.500 I mean, it's crazy that the counterculture revolution, the whole real disintegration of traditional norms in this country came during the Vietnam War.

01:46:41.940 It was like there's there's a huge connection there.

01:46:45.100 Like there's not that is not a coincidence.

01:46:47.280 The counterculture is more is more America first. 0.63

01:46:51.420 It's more liberty minded.

01:46:52.220 It's more free speech oriented.

01:46:53.300 It's more gun rights oriented.

01:46:54.200 Like, I think that's the counterculture.

01:46:56.060 That's what I feel like we are.

01:46:57.360 We are on the early.

01:46:58.480 Well, I hope so.

01:46:59.180 The early today is like people that actually believe in God and Jesus.

01:47:04.740 And I would say, yes.

01:47:05.680 And you know why, too?

01:47:06.720 Because historically speaking, countercultures, as soon as they show any promise, are almost immediately co-opted by some sort of intelligence agency and then steered for the worse of the culture.

01:47:17.360 But I don't believe you can do that with God.

01:47:20.820 I don't think you can do that with Christ.

01:47:22.420 I don't think that can happen.

01:47:23.640 I think it's about the only one that can't be co-opted.

01:47:26.000 I mean, I don't know, dude.

01:47:27.400 Look at the evangelical churches in this country, dude.

01:47:30.040 I mean, they've been about as co-opted.

01:47:32.440 What I would say, then, is what a true strict adherence to biblical Christianity would be.

01:47:39.480 Now you're doing the no true Scotsman thing, dude.

01:47:41.880 It's like just the – look, I'm just saying that the idea that, oh, if you believe in Jesus now, you're going to be immune to this whole thing.

01:47:50.360 No, no.

01:47:50.700 There's a lot more to it than that.

01:47:52.100 That's very valid, and so what I would like to say is when we're talking about this darkness versus evil spirits thing, I think it's very important to study and define what these evil spirits are because they are evil spirits.

01:48:07.020 You can't go at this half-baked, right?

01:48:08.960 There is clearly a concerted force within some massive influential force in America that believes in this, that is defined in it, that is worshiping Moloch, that knows the spirits and the demons. 0.99

01:48:25.520 And these motherfuckers are in control of a lot more than I think people are comfortable saying. 0.97

01:48:29.840 If they are that willing to define things and understand things, it is beholden upon us to define and understand those things because if not, we're half-baked and we're going at things too soft. 1.00

01:48:41.500 This is – we're engaged in spiritual warfare.

01:48:44.940 We look at these things.

01:48:45.780 I say, what do you think about Gilgamesh and the Resurrection Chamber and Hillary Clinton does this? 0.97

01:48:50.220 What do we think about the fucking temples that are on Epstein's island and the fact that he's sacrificing kids and all we're talking about is 16-year-olds giving him back rubs, right? 0.82

01:48:58.180 What do you think about the fact that Hollywood is inundating us with, like, really strange, esoteric, but occultly true subliminal messaging constantly? 0.97

01:49:07.600 It's not even subliminal anymore. 0.98

01:49:08.960 These motherfuckers are executing it to the T, but our understanding of these evil spirits is so loose. 1.00

01:49:16.600 It's cursory. 1.00

01:49:17.900 We spend our time – that's why I'll joke around a lot, and it's a half-hearted joke. 0.97

01:49:22.000 I say politics is gay and retarded, and the reason I say that is because I believe that the actual fight that we're meant to be fighting, 1.00

01:49:28.180 is a spiritual one, and until we can resolve that, the politics of man simply means nothing, right? 0.99

01:49:34.180 And if that truly is, you have this realization God is real.

01:49:38.020 Well, that should maybe be, probably be – no, it should definitely be the most important realization of any human being's life. 0.99

01:49:46.860 Holy shit. 0.99

01:49:47.540 God is real. 0.99

01:49:48.460 He's the creator of this universe.

01:49:49.660 Whatever tenacity I was previously applying to the other study that I was interested in should now be applied to understanding this. 0.98

01:49:57.120 And the more you understand it, the more you start to realize, yeah, there is dark spirits or dark forces, and I need to understand this shit definitively. 0.53

01:50:05.800 I think it's not by accident that the West has been stripped entirely of our understanding of the spiritual realm. 0.91

01:50:11.480 It's the most –

01:50:13.480 Well, according to Tucker Carlson, it's been intentional.

01:50:16.760 And here we are.

01:50:17.820 And maybe it has been, but question for you guys.

01:50:20.760 Do you think that truth is synonymous or a very important aspect when it comes to God or religiosity or whatever?

01:50:29.700 Did you say truth?

01:50:30.720 Yes.

01:50:31.480 Truth?

01:50:31.780 Yeah.

01:50:31.960 I think that God – it's my contention.

01:50:34.860 Jesus Christ is the embodiment of truth.

01:50:37.440 God is truth.

01:50:38.580 There is something about dwelling within the spirit of truth that is constantly drawing you closer in a relationship with God.

01:50:47.940 It's the spirit of truth.

01:50:49.160 There's something about the word truth, too, or just the idea of truth.

01:50:52.540 And Dave knows with stand-up comedy, it's only funny because it's true.

01:50:56.620 When you say it, it's true, and other people go, oh, and like you tickle their inside or whatever, and then they make a mouth noise because you've kind of manipulated them with this true thing.

01:51:06.280 And isn't it interesting that Western culture right now has stripped us of that relationship and removed the idea of an objective truth?

01:51:15.000 That now there are multiple truths, and this is a culturally significant phenomenon.

01:51:19.300 Well, your truth is what's true to you, and it's valid.

01:51:22.840 Your truth is valid. 0.99

01:51:23.940 It's like, no, the fuck it's not. 0.99

01:51:25.080 There is one truth. 0.99

01:51:26.100 And I think that even that, the removal of your relationship with truth and the fact that truth is subjective from one person to another is also by design.

01:51:35.360 If Tucker Carlson thinks that we've been stripped of our understanding of the spiritual realm by design, I would say we've been stripped of our relationship with the truth by design.

01:51:42.700 I totally agree with that.

01:51:44.240 But the reason I ask that is because it seems like the implications of Top even wanting this conversation to begin with is that we aren't ultimately pointing our audience to God, to Jesus Christ.

01:51:54.800 And therefore, even your post about this said, I just want to know where this is going.

01:52:00.360 Well, from my vantage point, I'm going towards the truth.

01:52:03.580 Just because I don't know that Jesus Christ is king, and that that is your truth, and maybe that's where I end up.

01:52:12.020 I don't know.

01:52:13.100 But as far as I'm concerned, every single day, I am dedicated to the truth.

01:52:17.540 So as long as that's the path that I'm on, I think I'm leading my audience down a holistic, healthy path, too.

01:52:25.420 And many of them, many of them in my audience are Christian already, and they agree with you guys more than they do me, probably.

01:52:31.240 I would agree with that said to me.

01:52:32.940 I think that's the value.

01:52:34.660 So your concerns about what Dave and I are doing, I think, are misguided because I think that Dave and I are both headed towards the truth.

01:52:42.260 I just wanted to say that.

01:52:43.080 I also think that because we kind of entered the Libertarian Party and had the whole takeover of the thing, and it was the plan of running me for president and all that stuff, it's almost like sometimes people misunderstood what I tried to be very clear about the whole time,

01:53:00.560 which is that there's almost like there's this realm of telling the truth, and then there's this realm of having some type of political strategy, and this is how we're going to gain power, and this is how we're going to use the levers of power.

01:53:13.900 And I was never playing in that game.

01:53:17.440 The whole thing with the Libertarian, the whole thing even when I was considering and planning on running for president was that, oh, it'll just be like a big giant speaking tour.

01:53:24.620 We'll throw like a big, huge, giant truth-telling speaking tour.

01:53:27.960 I'm going to tell the truth louder.

01:53:29.220 A lot of people will hear me when I tell the truth.

01:53:31.580 That was all it ever was.

01:53:33.400 And I posted the other day.

01:53:37.140 I just went on a long rant about this on my podcast, but I posted the other day this thing, a tweet that kind of like went viral where I said Thomas Massey is more America first than Donald Trump will ever be or something like that. 0.97

01:53:47.540 Those type of short, provocative tweets always get a lot of fucking attention. 0.99

01:53:51.760 But I just said it because I saw him telling the truth about Israel on Tucker's show, and then I saw Trump lying about Israel on some interview, and I was like, fucking Thomas Massey is more American. 0.98

01:54:03.440 And there were so many people, like Trump supporters, who responded like, why would you say this? 0.77

01:54:08.120 Like, why now, Dave?

01:54:09.320 Why even take it?

01:54:10.120 Massey is not running for president, but Trump is.

01:54:12.620 So why would you say this when this could hurt Donald Trump?

01:54:15.080 We need to get Biden out.

01:54:16.120 And I'm almost like still baffled by the question because you're just like, why would I say this?

01:54:20.980 Oh, because it's true?

01:54:23.020 I believe it?

01:54:24.580 That's a lot of what I thought was really strange.

01:54:26.320 It was like after he got charged, I saw a lot of people suddenly hop on this Trump 2024 thing.

01:54:30.980 And all I could remember was the countless instances of, you know, him kissing the wall.

01:54:36.300 Just this, there's a love relationship with him.

01:54:39.420 Didn't they give him the crown? 0.99

01:54:41.280 What was the name of the fucking crown top? 0.99

01:54:42.960 I don't know if you have it off the top of your head. 0.99

01:54:45.160 Let me see if I can find it. 0.99

01:54:46.220 Some kind of prince or some shit like that.

01:54:47.620 Yeah, and they're likening him to a messiah on a regular basis.

01:54:50.980 Like a part of the Golan Heights after him or something like that.

01:54:54.340 Yeah, it's a, it's, but look, man, like people.

01:54:57.700 So, so that is just to the point that Clint was making is that it's like, I don't know.

01:55:01.580 I feel like if you, if you're asking like where this is all going, it's almost like, look, man, 0.87

01:55:06.420 like all I've ever said about this shit is that I'm gonna, I'm going to tell the truth. 0.79

01:55:14.380 I'm going to try to be like, I'm going to try to be a good person, like personally, like 0.98

01:55:18.560 I'm going to try to be a good father and a good husband and good friend.

01:55:21.700 And then I'm going to tell the truth to my audience.

01:55:24.980 And that's in a sense, like that's an article of faith on my point.

01:55:29.000 I just think that's what I'm supposed to be doing.

01:55:31.800 And so I'll continue to do that.

01:55:32.800 And it feels right too for me.

01:55:33.680 I'll just speak for myself.

01:55:34.780 Like that, I, the reason I'm so passionate about what I'm doing is that I've never lived

01:55:40.900 more closely to the truth than I have over the past three, four years, since I started

01:55:45.420 my show.

01:55:45.940 Like it is, it's so gratifying.

01:55:48.240 It tells me every day that what I'm doing is the right thing to be doing.

01:55:52.240 And I think for that reason, I've become more successful in doing what I'm doing because

01:55:56.600 I feel that so strongly.

01:55:58.320 So this is why I don't have many doubts.

01:56:01.160 I mean, I obviously I always have doubts in whether or not I have the truth, correct.

01:56:05.060 I'm always reassessing that, but I have very little doubt as to whether or not what I'm

01:56:09.060 doing is good.

01:56:09.780 I'm very confident that what I'm doing is good.

01:56:11.940 Can I, I want to ask you guys both something and I'll try to put this as simply as possible. 0.84

01:56:17.780 Why are you gay? 0.99

01:56:18.580 You guys have a, are you gay? 0.95

01:56:20.140 Do you own yourself?

01:56:22.280 You guys both have this tenacity about you that is admirable, right?

01:56:27.100 It's something to really behold to see what you guys have accomplished over your careers.

01:56:32.660 Clint, I've been watching you lately and it's, it's fucking cool to know you.

01:56:37.260 Well, thanks.

01:56:37.520 And what I am wondering is when you see these things that are compelling, right?

01:56:42.280 We talk about this Luciferian backdrop in American culture and we talk about the weird characters

01:56:49.020 within the political realm that seem to be adhering to it.

01:56:52.380 And we talk about the compelling case for God, especially after 2020.

01:56:56.540 I think culture really turned a corner and, um, and we realized there's something more

01:57:02.180 going on.

01:57:02.620 I don't know if it was the free time that we had because of the lockdowns.

01:57:05.680 It doesn't matter.

01:57:06.700 Um, but there are all of the signs I think have been dialed all the way up to 10.

01:57:12.660 What is it that, and, and maybe you are moving towards it.

01:57:17.120 Maybe you're moving towards it at your own pace.

01:57:19.420 This isn't accusatory in any way.

01:57:21.040 So if it comes off that way, it's my inability to articulate it.

01:57:24.160 What is it that keeps you from seeing this thing, this, this image of God, this potentiality

01:57:30.960 for him existing, this, uh, apparatus that is in opposition to him, right?

01:57:36.380 And, and it's, it's prevalence within, within our society.

01:57:39.460 What is it that keeps you from moving towards that with the same tenacity that you've moved

01:57:46.180 towards other things in your life?

01:57:48.140 In other words, the reason I never got into politics is because when I was a much younger

01:57:53.860 man, I saw this part first.

01:57:56.860 It wasn't because I was smart. 0.99

01:57:57.800 It was just, I didn't, I was too dumb for politics. 0.99

01:58:00.100 Maybe that was it. 0.58

01:58:00.960 I just looked at that and, and it, it came way later.

01:58:03.920 It wasn't on my radar.

01:58:04.840 It was this, this symbolism, this existence of this evil spirits, whatever the hell it

01:58:10.500 is.

01:58:10.700 And I moved towards that.

01:58:12.000 And the more I moved towards it, the more it seemed like there was really something there.

01:58:14.560 What is it that keeps you from moving towards this with the same tenacity that you've attacked

01:58:20.180 other things?

01:58:22.500 You, you want to go first, Dave?

01:58:24.580 Um, okay.

01:58:25.760 Um, well, I don't, I kind of reject the premise.

01:58:30.960 Like, I don't really think, um, there's something that I'm like, there's any way that I'm not

01:58:38.680 moving toward that.

01:58:39.800 I mean, like, but I also just think of that as a very personal thing.

01:58:43.720 I mean, like if you, like, I don't know, tops, like maybe been a fan of mine for a while

01:58:48.120 and Clint has known me for a while, like before we were like, knew each other fan.

01:58:52.820 Well, I think, but I'm saying before, like I, uh, before I knew you guys, I mean, like

01:58:56.920 I was living like a really degenerate lifestyle and I live like the most traditional lifestyle

01:59:02.160 of anyone I know at this point.

01:59:04.960 And, um, I was, dude, I was listening to skanks when you were still talking about, you know, 0.91

01:59:09.020 picking up girls on the road and shit. 0.77

01:59:10.420 So I know, I mean, I was, you know, I was, I was, and a lot of that has had to do with 0.99

01:59:15.300 finding God, but I also do think that, well, number one, there's where God has given us

01:59:24.440 this material realm, you know, and like our job I think is to live in it.

01:59:29.540 And it's not as if I can like ask God to just stop the wars.

01:59:34.380 And then he's going to do that because he's given us free will.

01:59:38.260 And my only hope is to persuade other human beings to stop doing stuff that they don't

01:59:42.800 have to do where like real human misery doesn't have to be caused.

01:59:46.360 And I'm pretty good at persuading them of that.

01:59:48.620 And every fiber of my being tells me that what I'm doing is my calling in life.

01:59:53.520 So I don't think that I'm moving away from that.

01:59:56.420 I think I'm like, I'm, I've never felt so much in my life.

01:59:59.980 Like I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing.

02:00:02.940 Can I rephrase it just a little bit, Dave?

02:00:04.600 Because I think that I, maybe I didn't articulate it the right way.

02:00:08.340 When I say that tenacity, I mean like this, this sort of fingernail that scratches at a topic

02:00:14.380 and goes, I need to learn more about that.

02:00:17.960 Like, dude, you.

02:00:19.420 Hey, Dave, what do you, what do you think about?

02:00:21.460 Like, so you, you were interviewed by Candace Owens and, uh, she got in trouble for saying

02:00:25.940 Christ is King.

02:00:27.180 What, what do you think about that?

02:00:28.980 Like, why is that significant in, why is that even a meme in today's culture?

02:00:33.320 What does that mean?

02:00:34.960 Well, I think, I think that Candace, Candace is very smart and I think she knew what she

02:00:43.460 was doing with that and she knew it was the perfect way to kind of needle this, this thing

02:00:50.560 where you, you know, look, it's, it's in a sense, I'm not saying these are exactly the

02:00:55.760 same, but I'm just saying when all lives matter was the counter to black lives matter, they 1.00

02:01:00.400 knew what they were doing, but then they were also picking a phrase that if you had any problem

02:01:06.300 with, you're like, well, what are you saying?

02:01:09.160 Are you saying all lives don't matter?

02:01:10.900 And there was kind of like, there's something, uh, witty and, and intelligent about like setting

02:01:15.600 it up that way.

02:01:16.500 So I thought that Candace was kind of needling, you know what I mean?

02:01:20.100 Like the Zionists at her network, but she was also kind of sending this message that 0.99

02:01:24.420 it's like, well, first of all, what are you going to do?

02:01:26.240 Have an objection to kind of a foundational claim of, of Christianity or, um, and also

02:01:33.820 at the same time, kind of telling people that it's like, Hey, Christian Americans, this is

02:01:38.060 what our priority should be.

02:01:39.800 Not whatever this other agenda is that has nothing to do with Christ being King.

02:01:45.760 So doesn't it make you pause like for a second? 0.99

02:01:48.340 Cause the people that lost their shit over Christ as King were Talmudic Jews. 1.00

02:01:52.840 And in that book, they think that Jesus Christ is boiling and piss and excrement. 1.00

02:01:56.720 This is what it says. 0.97

02:01:58.020 And I think what's worth saying on that topic is that for the past, I don't know how long

02:02:01.900 guys, four decades, something like that.

02:02:04.320 You've it's been free range on Christianity.

02:02:06.220 You've been allowed to dunk on Jesus on stage with a microphone in your hand to the tune of,

02:02:11.700 you know, thousands and thousands of people applauding it.

02:02:14.920 Right.

02:02:15.100 And then all of a sudden there is this moment that we're experiencing right now where Christians 1.00

02:02:19.900 are sort of taking, let's just call the Christ is King thing, something that resembles a

02:02:24.480 hard stance, you know, something that resembles a backbone for the first time in a long time.

02:02:29.160 And it's not received well.

02:02:32.120 It's also been open season on white people.

02:02:34.280 I don't think that that means that, that being white is, is now what we should all aspire to

02:02:39.460 be.

02:02:40.020 I aspire constantly.

02:02:41.760 So I'm just making the point that just, uh, I just want to be clear.

02:02:45.700 Clint doesn't speak for both of us.

02:02:48.760 I think you guys should aspire to be white. 0.96

02:02:51.240 I believe spiritually white. 0.60

02:02:52.960 I believe one day God will, and you guys will get there.

02:02:55.340 But, but to go back to top's earlier question, Jews aren't white, Dave, so to go, to go back 0.77

02:03:04.000 to top's earlier point, I think that the point that you're driving at, and I actually agree

02:03:07.360 with it is that the reason that there was such a, not, not, I won't go the tactical angle

02:03:12.460 of, of Dave describing why Candace did what she did, but rather why did that have a moment

02:03:17.340 in the zeitgeist?

02:03:18.280 Why did the people react to it?

02:03:20.220 It's because God, God has been suppressed.

02:03:22.940 I mean, because Christianity has been suppressed because the people that are, are now finding 1.00

02:03:27.380 religion for the first time, uh, are, are recognizing that that's the current paradigm

02:03:32.380 in which they exist and they are rebelling against it.

02:03:35.040 So for her to say so in a declaratory fashion against her boss's will was a galvanizing moment

02:03:39.960 for that movement.

02:03:40.840 I think that's, that's the answer as to why it had such a big effect.

02:03:45.120 Well, can I, to, to top's point that, um, well, I think you didn't exactly finish, but

02:03:50.060 you were saying like, well, look, a lot of the people getting upset about this are Orthodox

02:03:53.360 Jews who believe in, you know, in the Tomlet, it says this or that about Jesus or not just

02:03:57.560 Orthodox Jews, but Zionist Jews, the same ones that are fulfilling end time prophecy and 1.00

02:04:01.500 about to start world war three for no reason.

02:04:04.380 I mean, God, when they, when they try to build their third temple on the Alaska mosque, I mean, 0.98

02:04:08.760 you're going to be talking about that on part of the problem, but this is all biblical

02:04:11.260 stuff. 0.99

02:04:11.700 So I'm just looking at it and saying like, Hey, what the fuck guys? 0.99

02:04:14.640 Like nobody is putting these pieces here together as well. 0.99

02:04:18.120 Cause I don't know.

02:04:19.120 I mean, you know, I don't know the, the problem with putting pieces together.

02:04:23.680 It's the problem with, um, with seeing patterns, uh, as, as people like to say, what is it?

02:04:29.560 The, uh, no, let's not forget that during the beginning of COVID, if you were seeing patterns

02:04:34.100 and you were saying that things, things don't add up, this was very much, you were unvaccinated.

02:04:39.960 It was an epidemic of the unvaccinated.

02:04:41.380 No, but my, my argument isn't that like patterns are never indicative of anything.

02:04:47.400 Um, and I think I did see the patterns pretty well with COVID and I have a nice pure blood

02:04:53.560 family.

02:04:54.760 Um, but, uh, let me just say, thank you.

02:04:57.440 I texted you, I messaged you, uh, before you did the Cuomo debate. 0.96

02:05:00.580 And I was like, Hey, like, obviously this is personal to everyone, but I'm like, fucking 1.00

02:05:03.460 kill this guy. 1.00

02:05:04.460 And I think you did it. 1.00

02:05:05.980 Thank you.

02:05:06.540 Oh, thank you.

02:05:06.880 Thank you.

02:05:07.240 I appreciate that.

02:05:08.040 Yeah.

02:05:08.220 Oh yeah.

02:05:08.640 Well, I think it, it went good.

02:05:10.560 What I loved is that on your next episode of part of the problem, you use the word cathartic,

02:05:15.200 which I don't think I've ever heard you use.

02:05:16.600 And that's what I texted you after.

02:05:18.060 I said, this is, I don't know how Dave, I don't know how you managed to not let loose a 1.00

02:05:24.000 few shut the fuck up bitches during that. 1.00

02:05:27.000 I mean, I was already, I wasn't going to lose anyone. 1.00

02:05:29.880 I was already just, it was already going right.

02:05:32.280 You were in the zone.

02:05:33.120 It was, it was, it was good to watch.

02:05:35.080 You know, they gave me three hours with them.

02:05:36.740 So it was like, I had more than enough time.

02:05:39.380 I wouldn't, you know what I mean?

02:05:40.180 It's not like they gave me a 30 minute debate or something.

02:05:42.360 Anyway, I want to make this point, but thank you guys.

02:05:44.260 I appreciate it.

02:05:45.100 But the problem with like, and this is what a lot of people will say about the Jews,

02:05:48.980 right?

02:05:49.160 It's like, we're just noticing patterns and all of this.

02:05:51.360 The problem with that is that when you already start with what the pattern is supposed to

02:05:56.520 be at the end, you can create all types of patterns.

02:06:00.320 And, but this is, it's the same thing the radical feminists are doing when they say, oh, look 1.00

02:06:04.720 at the fortune 500 CEOs.

02:06:06.960 They're all men. 0.99

02:06:08.360 See, we're noticing a pattern.

02:06:10.220 It's like, yeah, but you're just looking at this and then you're ignoring like that.

02:06:13.900 That's a tiny substrata of men.

02:06:15.940 And there's all these other men who completely contradict that.

02:06:18.880 And so I just say that, look, there's lots of stuff in Chris, in Christians books and

02:06:27.000 the Jews books and Muslims books that you don't actually really live by.

02:06:32.380 And most Christians don't really, even really, really devout Christians. 0.65

02:06:36.000 You can find passages in the new Testament where you're kind of like, yeah, no one was really

02:06:40.600 thinking about that.

02:06:41.740 Things in the old Testament.

02:06:42.800 You can find all this stuff.

02:06:44.480 No one's really thinking about the rules of how you're allowed to beat your slave.

02:06:47.740 That's just kind of been rejected.

02:06:49.520 I didn't think there was rules to that.

02:06:50.760 I thought you could just beat your slave, but to top's point.

02:06:53.460 No, there are rules.

02:06:54.400 There's rules.

02:06:55.160 It's like with a closed fist only.

02:06:57.160 And no, it's like, it's about how long he falls down and how before, how long he gets

02:07:01.940 up.

02:07:02.140 Like if he doesn't get up for a full day or something like that, it's like, but, but anyway,

02:07:08.020 so I'm just saying that, look, a lot of these guys, I do think sometimes there's

02:07:11.940 like the simpler answer can actually be correct.

02:07:15.520 A lot of these guys, there is an overwhelming connection to Israel and they have been told

02:07:24.740 for a long time that they're literally, you guys were, you know, we were almost exterminated.

02:07:31.920 They would do it in a second.

02:07:33.400 Again, the only reason that's not happening is because this government exists and there

02:07:38.220 and your entire identity is tied to like making sure this thing exists and they will snap

02:07:45.360 back.

02:07:45.620 They weren't angry at Candace just for tweeting Christ the King. 0.97

02:07:48.680 They were angry at Candace for fucking really exposing how evil the war was. 0.93

02:07:53.080 You know, she was pretty unrelenting in that and that's what, and then doing that and making 1.00

02:07:59.280 it, there was, there was like a danger in her from their perspective to her doing that.

02:08:05.100 It was like, oh, you're rallying.

02:08:06.620 Look, the whole, like the whole Israel supporting dynamic kind of relies on the fact that, okay,

02:08:13.760 so you have this group of very influential Jews who all support Israel, but they know they're 0.87

02:08:18.740 only a tiny, tiny little percentage of the population, you know, and like, and I don't

02:08:23.820 mean 2%, like Jews, they're way smaller than 2%, they're 2% of Jews, you know what I mean? 1.00

02:08:28.420 There's like a tiny, tiny little group of people and then they have to have all of these Christians 1.00

02:08:33.760 on board with them.

02:08:35.500 They have to have the evangelical church saying, you know what I mean?

02:08:39.260 Like, or the evangelical churches saying that, you know, you have to support Israel no matter

02:08:43.840 what.

02:08:44.020 They have to have all your Fox News and Daily Wire watching uncles being like, yeah, being

02:08:50.320 pro-Israel is part of our conservative identity.

02:08:52.340 They have to have that because if they don't, they know they can't support this project and

02:08:56.640 that in their mind means they're going to be genocided.

02:08:58.720 And so then when someone comes out and is trying to undermine support for Israel and then using

02:09:04.140 Christian, like calls to action in a sense from their perspective, they go, oh my God, that's

02:09:11.720 way more appealing than what we're selling.

02:09:14.020 We're talking to 99% Christians here.

02:09:16.520 You know what I mean?

02:09:17.180 Like, so there's, I think that in itself explains why there was such a snapback against her.

02:09:22.560 And don't get me wrong, I'm firmly on Candace's side of this argument, but I'm just saying

02:09:27.320 like, I think that's how I understand the dynamic more.

02:09:31.640 Okay.

02:09:31.840 Can I, I never got to answer your question, David.

02:09:34.620 So, uh, real quick, the, the reason I haven't pursued Christianity with as, as much for

02:09:40.040 Oh, can I just clarify it?

02:09:41.340 And then you could pick it up right there.

02:09:42.540 The, what I mean to say is the tenacity with which you, you, uh, dissect things, especially

02:09:48.140 in the, in this particular case, politics or, or even the, you know, the COVID, uh, epidemic,

02:09:52.860 uh, that, that, uh, tendency to, to keep digging and keep digging and learn more and learn

02:09:57.800 more.

02:09:58.180 Yeah.

02:09:58.540 That's what I mean.

02:09:59.220 Yeah, no, I, I think that the answer is that, um, I have a lot of doubt, you know, I, I,

02:10:04.400 I have a real hard time with leaps of faith.

02:10:07.660 I have a hard time with reading ancient documents and, and pretending that this is actually God's

02:10:13.180 words in any form or fashion.

02:10:14.680 Like that's all very challenging for me.

02:10:16.880 Um, and I think also what I've seen in, in the Christian community has put me off to 1.00

02:10:22.240 a large extent.

02:10:22.740 Like I'll say some things that are really unpopular even amongst you guys.

02:10:26.580 I think, um, you know, I see the humanity in the, even the libertarians that I disagree

02:10:32.000 with when it comes to transitioning children.

02:10:34.100 Like I see that they are concerned about the fact that so many of them are going to kill

02:10:38.320 themselves.

02:10:38.980 So they, they're like, do whatever we have to do.

02:10:41.500 You know, even if that includes puberty blockers or whatever else.

02:10:45.220 And it's like, okay, well look, I think that if you buy into the propaganda, that that is

02:10:50.100 a little girl trapped in a little boy's body, you know what I'm saying?

02:10:53.400 Like if you buy into faith, but if you, but I'm just saying, if you buy into the

02:10:56.560 buy into the first fundamental lie, you can see where like a good person would come to

02:11:01.860 this like horrific outcome.

02:11:03.520 Right.

02:11:03.640 But a good person who's not done the research to learn that there's a, but that doesn't

02:11:07.680 take away from Clint's point that he's not saying they're not wrong.

02:11:10.440 He's just saying, I'm saying very explicitly, I think that they are wrong.

02:11:13.360 I'm just saying that I see the humanity in it.

02:11:15.900 I can still see a, a good spirited analysis that leads you to that.

02:11:20.700 Like, I don't think Chase Oliver is evil.

02:11:22.580 It may be, he is, I don't know.

02:11:23.840 Um, but like my assessment of these people, my assessment of my opposition politically

02:11:28.900 and basically always is like, I see the humanity in the Russians.

02:11:33.440 I see my, the humanity in Ukrainians and the Palestinians and the Israelis.

02:11:36.780 Like, I don't like it when we get into this tribal worldview of like, there is only one

02:11:41.280 path and anybody in opposition to me is ultimately evil.

02:11:44.140 I just don't think it's true.

02:11:45.720 Yeah.

02:11:45.920 I really don't like you're also, uh, you know, Daryl Cooper, who really is just like one of 0.82

02:11:50.500 the fucking best like voices in the country on the Israel Palestine conflict.

02:11:55.100 Like he, the guy's just incredible, but I do, I, he had some post about this that I really 0.96

02:11:59.400 loved where he was saying like, listen, man, like the group of people who are demonizing

02:12:04.240 all Palestinians and how they're, you know what I mean?

02:12:06.780 Like they're all basically Hamas supporters. 0.61

02:12:08.660 They had elections.

02:12:09.300 There's no innocent Palestinians and the people who are demonizing all Jews and saying, oh,

02:12:13.920 it's, this is all like a Jewish plot or whatever it is.

02:12:16.980 It's like, you guys are exactly the same.

02:12:19.720 You're the exact same person.

02:12:21.120 You're just to like win points with your little in group.

02:12:25.860 You're willing to like demonize an entire group of people, which is like, you're just 0.99

02:12:30.940 playing into the oldest thing in the book, which is like, I'm not saying you're a fucking 0.98

02:12:36.140 Nazi or you're responsible for a genocide, but that impulse that you're like having, 0.99

02:12:41.040 that is the impulse that like Gibbs cover to shit like that happening is pretending one 0.99

02:12:45.280 group of people have like no humanity at all. 0.98

02:12:47.700 And casting like this wide brush with all of that.

02:12:51.440 It's the very, it's the very nature of a lot of those.

02:12:53.520 Now that doesn't mean that a lot of those people aren't caught up in something pretty

02:12:57.420 evil.

02:12:57.880 Like how do you stand in opposition to it? 0.94

02:13:00.480 If any opposition to it looks like hatred, like I can call these people lost retards for 1.00

02:13:04.900 wanting to transition children.

02:13:07.260 But that doesn't mean that I want to rally the troops and start marching on cities to

02:13:12.380 go in.

02:13:13.040 You know what I mean?

02:13:13.500 Like they are uneducated.

02:13:17.060 They lack information.

02:13:18.080 And by that notion, they're incredibly dangerous.

02:13:22.140 Well, so really, does it matter if they're evil or not?

02:13:25.260 If the thing that they're executing for lack of information is evil itself?

02:13:29.800 Well, look, transition children is evil. 1.00

02:13:31.640 Yes, 100 percent.

02:13:33.740 But there's, you know, it's like the the red pill, blue pill distinction, I think, is

02:13:39.040 really more what captures it.

02:13:40.620 Like they're under a trance.

02:13:42.020 They're under a spell of some sort, you know?

02:13:44.180 Right.

02:13:44.340 And if there are no amount of words that will wake them up.

02:13:46.900 Well, I don't know.

02:13:47.940 I don't know exactly what the answer is, you know?

02:13:49.600 Yeah, but that's just not true because there are people that are reachable.

02:13:52.240 Well, there are certainly people who are reachable.

02:13:54.000 But we're running into this situation where it's like the amount of people that you can

02:13:57.500 reach is being far exceeded by the degradation of the country.

02:14:02.600 The country is spiraling.

02:14:03.980 And I'm not advocating for anything.

02:14:05.340 I'm just saying the facts.

02:14:06.320 The facts are we seemingly cannot reach enough people to repair the damage that's happening

02:14:11.340 to our culture.

02:14:12.020 Our culture is spiraling downward at a faster pace than we can repair it.

02:14:16.300 So what's the answer?

02:14:17.200 Stop.

02:14:18.000 You know, you got to keep trying.

02:14:19.840 Can I swing the conversation real quick?

02:14:21.160 And then I'm going to respect your time, Dave, and let you get out of here.

02:14:23.640 But I think it's a good jumping off point here.

02:14:25.760 I listened to Naebu Kaley speak with Tucker Carlson.

02:14:30.340 And this is what he's espousing are obviously not libertarian ideals, but they're quite effective.

02:14:36.180 And I think that that might be where this conversation is headed in.

02:14:39.400 Did you see that episode?

02:14:40.760 No, I haven't.

02:14:42.340 Is that a new one?

02:14:44.500 Yes, it was two weeks ago.

02:14:46.420 No, I don't know.

02:14:47.320 I don't know.

02:14:47.740 So if you show me a picture of the guy, maybe I would know who you're talking about, but

02:14:51.120 I'm not.

02:14:51.780 Oh, it's the president of El Salvador.

02:14:54.520 He said.

02:14:54.780 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

02:14:55.820 I'm sorry.

02:14:56.680 Yeah.

02:14:57.200 No, I did.

02:14:57.940 I saw like a couple clips of it.

02:15:02.360 And while he's pulling that up, I think somebody in the chat said it.

02:15:04.900 It is clear that the point that we're at right now as a culture, once again, not posing a solution.

02:15:13.740 Maybe there are there is one, but it is very clear that tolerance is what's gotten us to this point.

02:15:20.540 In other words, this idea of like live and let live as long as you're not being hurt by another person seemingly is is virtuous until you realize that the immediate threat of violence isn't the only threat to a culture.

02:15:34.040 And maybe, in fact, subversive ideologies are much more of a threat to a culture.

02:15:39.200 Well, here's here's the now we're sitting in a place where that that kind of ideology has gotten us here.

02:15:43.640 Here's the important thing to note about that, though. 0.97

02:15:45.560 When when I hear people on the right talking about, you know, basically getting rid of tolerance and cracking down on all this shit, you guys need to realize you have no power. 0.92

02:15:54.440 You have no political power whatsoever to actually implement what you're talking about. 0.99

02:15:58.120 So every single ounce of power that you give the state at this point is going to be used to just crush you.

02:16:04.000 So this is the reason I'm in the persuasion.

02:16:06.400 So can I aggressively as I am?

02:16:08.200 I'd say I like I agree with what Clint said, but I actually I do at least to a large percent say I like 90 percent reject your premise.

02:16:18.460 About like 10 percent of it, I think, is is maybe true.

02:16:21.020 But I think that when people say which is this is a very popular kind of like view on the the the hard right that's critical of libertarians, that tolerance really is what allowed us to get to this place.

02:16:34.600 But I don't really think that's 100 percent true.

02:16:37.920 In fact, that wasn't even really the problem.

02:16:40.440 I mean, first of all, the the spirit certainly was not tolerance, not in any like classical liberal sense of the word or something like that.

02:16:48.940 It wasn't that the message was ever we must just be tolerant of other people's choices.

02:16:53.760 It was full blown acceptance wrapped in like civil rights, like neo civil rights language.

02:17:01.580 It was victim groups are owed something by the oppressors and the oppressors are anyone succeeding.

02:17:06.760 It was like a demonization of the normal, the successful, the traditional and this this justification that you owed something to what they are, marginalized groups or whatever the hell they did.

02:17:19.820 But that always starts off that always starts off as this plea for tolerance.

02:17:24.080 I remember as a kid.

02:17:24.980 That's it. Yeah.

02:17:25.520 Plea for acceptance.

02:17:26.840 Yeah.

02:17:27.040 Yeah.

02:17:27.220 Well, it's like we're marching against gay marriage. 0.97

02:17:29.220 And I was like, maybe you shouldn't do that.

02:17:30.780 This is not a good idea.

02:17:31.900 They said, no, no, they'll come for the kids.

02:17:33.280 You don't understand. 1.00

02:17:34.060 And I was like, I don't like that shit. 1.00

02:17:36.080 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:36.420 And now here we are. 0.99

02:17:37.200 And I'm like, fuck, I probably would have marched with you before if I would have known what this was going to do. 0.99

02:17:41.680 I got to be in New York tomorrow during Gay Pride Month with my kids. 1.00

02:17:45.360 I'm like, I'm not looking forward to this shit. 0.99

02:17:47.040 You know, and we are to Clint's point where he says we don't have any power politically. 0.99

02:17:51.440 I'm not talking about politically because I rarely do.

02:17:53.540 I'm talking about in your own life to not tolerate you.

02:17:57.440 You are.

02:17:58.360 But let me just I just want to, like, continue on the point for a second because I do think it's somewhat of a fallacy to say that, like, this thing happened before this thing.

02:18:07.660 Thing number two is a problem.

02:18:10.640 Therefore, thing number one caused thing number two.

02:18:14.940 Like, the fact that that followed doesn't necessarily mean it was destined to follow or, like, at least that doesn't prove the point that it was.

02:18:22.720 It's possible.

02:18:23.440 No, but sometimes it does.

02:18:24.980 No, no, no.

02:18:25.820 Yeah, but sometimes it does.

02:18:26.840 It doesn't prove the point.

02:18:27.540 Sometimes it doesn't.

02:18:28.300 I'm saying that, like, the problem came in when we had, like, it wasn't just preaching tolerance and it became this other thing that was that.

02:18:37.940 And then the real problem came in when the entire power structure got behind it.

02:18:43.300 I mean, like, that's really what happened here is that it started in the universities, then the entire corporate media, the entire political class in Hollywood and all of them started pushing all of this stuff.

02:19:22.720 OK, there was one time Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods show, this was way back in the day, where Tom asked him, and I love Gene Epstein, by the way.

02:19:30.260 I've just come to disagree with him on this point.

02:19:32.880 Tom asked him if there was a secondary value to libertarianism aside from non-aggression, what would the next value be?

02:19:41.260 And he said tolerance.

02:19:42.560 And he had a good argument for it.

02:19:44.140 He was like, look, if people are going to be free, we have to tolerate that people live different lifestyles.

02:19:47.380 I've kind of come to feel more and more that intolerance is the complementary, like, view, because you just – if you're not going to have the government regulating destructive degenerate behavior, then you have to have other forces to do that.

02:20:03.920 And so I do think that there are certain things that shouldn't be tolerated, and I don't mean by that not allowed or using violence to shut it down.

02:20:12.900 But I do think that, yes, there is – 10 percent of that is true, that it is crazy that we ever tolerated things moving anywhere near the direction.

02:20:22.320 I don't know exactly what the point should have been.

02:20:25.100 Like, I don't know if gay marriage is the point where we should have, like, had a problem with that.

02:20:29.120 But I don't see – there seems to be a force that will always –

02:20:33.020 It's before trans and kids. 1.00

02:20:34.680 That's for sure.

02:20:35.500 But there does seem to be a force that will always push.

02:20:38.360 There is no stopping it, right?

02:20:40.320 That seems to be – yeah, it will always be pushing.

02:20:43.620 So a line has to be drawn somewhere.

02:20:45.820 And what will happen is when that line is drawn, you will have to fight at that line in perpetuity.

02:20:50.900 Yeah, the revolution is continuous.

02:20:52.100 The force that's pushing, it's always going to use things like the non-aggression principle to, like, just subvert and push further.

02:20:58.100 Well, what do you mean by that?

02:20:59.700 When do they use the non-aggression principle?

02:21:02.360 He's saying that it drops our defenses because until they're actually actively aggressing upon us, we won't defend ourselves.

02:21:08.960 I understand the argument.

02:21:09.680 It's gone too far.

02:21:10.660 Yeah, and he's saying that at that point it's too late.

02:21:12.860 Look, the reason I – David, I understand that you were not talking politics.

02:21:16.200 The reason I took it to the politics level is because – exactly what David was describing.

02:21:20.100 The entire power structure decided to propagate this narrative and to push it into every aspect of our lives.

02:21:26.080 Without – like, the reason that you need politics and power to fight this to some extent is because power and politics is the reason that this is transpiring.

02:21:35.080 It's not just because gay people were allowed to get married.

02:21:37.940 What I would argue then is – 0.93

02:21:38.840 All of Hollywood is telling you to do it because the entire public education system is telling these kids that this is the way to live, and if you're not living this way, you're a bigot, and ultimately you probably ought to be gay or trans because otherwise you're part of the oppressor class. 0.95

02:21:50.220 This is a sick ideology that's pervasive across the board on all levels. 0.74

02:21:53.740 So you've got to fight it on all levels.

02:21:55.920 These kind of things don't work on a populace that's not willing to accept it, and that's kind of like what I wanted to talk about here today, the idea of tolerance, the idea of God.

02:22:05.020 If we got this, Owen Benjamin would say, you get the government that you deserve, and he's kind of right. 0.98

02:22:09.860 So the shit that we're complaining about – 0.99

02:22:11.660 If we had a culture that we could inject God back into, then it doesn't matter what corporation is knocking at your door trying to serve you up Satanism. 1.00

02:22:20.300 It would stop at the door.

02:22:21.720 I don't agree with that.

02:22:22.780 First off, I just completely reject that, and I think it might sound nice as a slogan, but I think it's actually pretty vapid, and I don't know what –

02:22:32.560 I don't think the North Koreans deserve their government. 1.00

02:22:35.520 I don't think Gaza deserves to be ruled by Egypt – I mean by Israel. 0.62

02:22:39.980 I just – I don't think any of that is exactly right.

02:22:43.100 I do think that it's like, yes, maybe a more accurate thing would be something like you get the government that you're either powerless to prevent or too complicit to be willing to give your life to try to fight and stop.

02:22:58.900 I mean it's like the truth of the matter is actually doesn't fit onto a neat little slogan like that.

02:23:03.520 But that's a fallacy to say – we're not saying that the North Korean people deserve this government.

02:23:07.960 But you get the government you deserve.

02:23:09.440 But they're generations into this.

02:23:11.260 What I'm saying is that we started off with freedom, and now we are here.

02:23:15.840 It's still collective guilt.

02:23:16.760 No matter the starting point, it's still collective guilt.

02:23:18.940 But that's the same thing you could say about the North Koreans.

02:23:21.920 I mean they started off with the ability to create their own country that they wanted.

02:23:26.260 They maintained the northern part of that country after the Korean War, and this is what they're here.

02:23:29.960 They lost it.

02:23:30.440 Right, and I don't think that – I don't think it's at all true to say that the people got what they deserve.

02:23:36.800 I don't know the history of this country.

02:23:38.840 I've read Michael Malice's book, but how did you get there?

02:23:41.760 I mean with America, we could paint a pretty clear picture on how we got here.

02:23:45.360 Well, they embraced communism.

02:23:46.440 The point is I have advocated – I have voted against all of it. 0.98

02:23:49.880 I have fucking advocated. 0.92

02:23:51.000 I've been outspoken. 0.98

02:23:52.200 I've spoken to millions of people about how I'm opposed to all of this.

02:23:54.600 I've done everything in my individual power to fight this.

02:23:58.160 So how could I possibly be held to account for the same people that have voted for all of this?

02:24:02.540 Yeah, and the point is that we're – the point is that we're trying to –

02:24:05.580 You are, though, because I live here.

02:24:07.020 We're trying to move the needle.

02:24:08.460 You know what I mean?

02:24:09.240 And that's like the – that's a huge component to all of this.

02:24:13.080 And I also do – which I know I'm sure you guys have heard me say before, but I just – I think that like, you know, governments rely on propaganda.

02:24:20.760 They rely on force as well, but they also heavily rely on propaganda.

02:24:25.280 Like they have to cast a spell on their people. 0.96

02:24:28.100 And we're at this unique time in history when we have a fighting shot to fight back against that propaganda and to try to wake more people up just as all four of us have been woken up to a lot of shit that we were asleep to at a certain point. 0.92

02:24:43.460 And, you know, there's – it's pretty wild.

02:24:47.380 You know, like you guys were kind of saying before, like some of the stuff like me and Clint have been able to do here.

02:24:52.580 It's kind of like, yeah, this is a little bit nutty.

02:24:55.000 Like it's crazy that you can actually get on such big platforms and do – and look, it's not like – look, it's just the sum total of everything I've done has, you know, on the national scale, moved the needle the tiniest little bit.

02:25:12.100 But it's not like I haven't gotten a little crack at it.

02:25:14.960 You know what I mean?

02:25:15.680 And so it's like, oh, okay, if I could do that already, let's keep doing that.

02:25:19.240 Let's try to get as many people as possible to do that.

02:25:21.740 Bring it back to then is what you just said, this idea that there's this propaganda machine that's aimed at us and we're being propagandized.

02:25:29.120 It's inherently Luciferian.

02:25:32.900 It's very obvious in 2024 that the propaganda machine is shoving Satanism in its multi-ways down our throat.

02:25:40.380 I don't think you can – I just want to say I don't think you can fight back against a machine that is inherently satanic without God.

02:25:47.900 I don't think you could do it as just men.

02:25:50.160 You need to arm yourself in a different way.

02:25:52.240 This is what we're coming to the realization of as we, like, study and interview more people and do more of this.

02:25:57.480 But I'm incredibly proud of, like, what I've seen Clint do from being, you know, a fat woman avatar to where he's at now opening up to Trump.

02:26:07.340 No, a fat male avatar. 0.86

02:26:08.920 Fat, it was a male, Jesus Christ. 0.99

02:26:10.300 But, and I mean, along from working side by side with you, Dave, who you've been instrumental in almost everything that I've done in my just ability to get out of New York and basically what I'm doing with my family now.

02:26:25.160 And I don't know what the point of this conversation was, whether it was – it was not really to change your mind.

02:26:30.860 It's to, like, you guys are moving the needle.

02:26:33.220 And I think you're moving it way more than just a little tinge.

02:26:35.780 It's been amazing to watch.

02:26:36.820 I just – you know, I'm – thank you for your time, for coming here, because I wanted to see if I can maybe add a little wrinkle to your game.

02:26:43.720 If, like, if you're not thinking about this, maybe I can convince you that, like, hey, like, there's also this over here.

02:26:49.380 You know what I mean?

02:26:49.880 And, like, just put that in the back of your mind going forward with all the things that you're doing and that you're going to do.

02:26:56.120 And, yeah, I don't know. 0.88

02:26:57.580 I just hope – I hope you guys do pull this country together in some form or fashion because, really, what the fuck else are we going to do?

02:27:06.820 And just know, Clint, that every single time some person with an insane level of influence mentions the Nephilim, I think about you immediately.

02:27:14.580 I know.

02:27:14.960 I think about you.

02:27:15.920 I'm like, what is Clint thinking?

02:27:17.400 What does his face look like?

02:27:18.520 Let me just say, too, you know, you guys have had an influence on me.

02:27:22.460 And I do think that I think more about good and evil than I ever have before.

02:27:27.620 I think largely because –

02:27:28.820 I know Clint.

02:27:29.240 Clint was an atheist.

02:27:30.240 And then you got to the point where you're doing mushrooms and saying, like, and listening to gospel music.

02:27:34.340 Yeah, I was.

02:27:34.700 I've had a great influence on you, Clint.

02:27:36.280 Yes.

02:27:36.580 It's not bad.

02:27:37.080 But the point is that, like, I think more in terms of good and evil primarily because I think we are dealing with more evil action.

02:27:45.620 Now, whether or not it's evil on a spiritual, demonic level, I can't say definitively.

02:27:49.700 But it is certainly true that there are billions of people on earth that are willingly or unwillingly participating in evil.

02:27:58.920 So I have to have that in my equation of analysis.

02:28:03.400 I have to.

02:28:03.840 But at the same time, the reason that I push back against these descriptions is because I genuinely love people.

02:28:10.820 And I think that so many of these people that are participating in evil are still reachable.

02:28:15.060 And if I didn't believe that, then it'd kind of be fruitless to be doing what I'm doing.

02:28:18.860 And in fact, I know it to be true that there are millions of people that are capable of being influenced and persuaded out of evil action.

02:28:26.460 So, like, I think that's the reason I'm so content in the path that I'm on is that I feel as if I am walking with God or with the truth or whatever you want to describe it as.

02:28:37.960 And I see that in Dave, and I think that's part of the reason that he's so contented, not just the success and not just the reach that he's getting and the heights that he's now, you know, approaching.

02:28:47.640 It's like, I think this is all indicative of, you know, being on the side of righteousness.

02:28:54.540 Now, maybe that's, you know, narcissistic or egotistical to feel that way, but I feel that way.

02:28:59.840 So I'm just going to say it.

02:29:00.760 That's the truth.

02:29:01.560 That's how I feel.

02:29:04.280 Well, yeah.

02:29:05.280 Well, thanks.

02:29:05.860 Thanks, you guys, for having us.

02:29:07.760 And I enjoyed this very much.

02:29:09.180 And I do think that, you know, there's something I've been saying this for a long time.

02:29:13.620 And just, again, kind of in my the older I get, the more I do look at that point like that.

02:29:19.260 It's kind of semantics, the dark forces, evil spirits thing, that it's all kind of like we look even from the strictest atheistic point of view, like what we've really seen.

02:29:31.740 We've run an experiment in kind of like removing God from society and you see that it leads to a lot of evil.

02:29:41.820 And so I do think that's like a huge component to it.

02:29:45.160 But I also hope in the same sense that that top said that he hopes he kind of gave us a nudge and that's something to think about.

02:29:52.180 But I also hope that like I gave you a similar type of nudge of that, like there are a few, at least from people who are kind of like ex-libertarians, what I just see from a lot of them in their rejection of libertarianism are these kind of like fundamental flaws that they're.

02:30:10.460 It's just like making logical mistakes where literally none of this spiritual stuff like conflicts with libertarianism at all.

02:30:16.760 And like just like the points I was making about like, you know, the people who show up for the LP convention aren't a statement on what laissez-faire free markets would look like in the world and stuff like that.

02:30:28.180 So, you know, I enjoy these conversations and thanks for having me.

02:30:33.060 Absolutely. Dave, thank you for taking the time.

02:30:35.000 Clint, I won't be there tomorrow, but we have Tower Gang 9-11 show up.

02:30:40.180 Dave Smith will be there.

02:30:43.840 The rest of this week.

02:30:45.100 Let's not go crazy.

02:30:47.480 The rest of this week will be all for Nephilim Death Squad. 0.90

02:30:49.680 So we'll catch you next week and peace out, guys.

02:30:52.000 Thank you.

02:30:54.300 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:31:00.020 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:31:04.200 You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

02:31:08.800 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

02:31:17.240 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - April 15, 2025

TIME CAPSULE： God & Liberty w⧸ Dave Smith and Clint Russell

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