Nephilim Death Squad - TIME CAPSULE： Near Death Experiences w Jimmy Akin

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00:01:07.480 Welcome to the end of day.

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00:01:10.660 Only some are aware that the government releases...

00:01:13.460 Welcome back, guys, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:01:19.520 I am David Lee Corvo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:01:22.780 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:01:25.800 And today, we are joined by Jimmy Akin, which is actually a recommendation from one of the fans of the show.

00:01:32.880 I was talking about near-death experiences, I believe, on Twitter, and Jimmy's name came up.

00:01:39.420 And needless to say, as soon as I clicked on his YouTube page, I knew that this was our guy.

00:01:44.800 Jimmy, can you please let the audience know a little bit about what it is that you do and where they can find your work?

00:01:51.000 Yeah, sure.

00:01:51.860 So I cover a wide range of topics.

00:01:54.360 I'm a Christian apologist, and so I do that for my day job.

00:01:58.640 But on the side, I also do a lot of podcasts.

00:02:01.960 And my most famous podcast is called Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World.

00:02:05.900 It's a podcast that looks at mysteries, all different kinds of mysteries, paranormal, supernatural, scientific, historical, true crime, Bigfoot, UFOs, everything.

00:02:18.400 And unlike a lot of shows that are focused on mysteries, we don't just try to generate wonder and imagine what if.

00:02:26.400 We try to solve them.

00:02:27.960 And so we look at every mystery, we give the background, and then we look at it from the twin perspectives of faith and reason.

00:02:33.500 And say, what would reason tell us about this, and what would the Christian faith tell us about this?

00:02:38.540 And it's a top 20 podcast among documentary podcasts on Apple Podcasts, and we've got more than 200,000 listeners a week.

00:02:46.740 Incredible, man.

00:02:49.540 We started this show not really knowing what it was or what we were doing, and it turned into something similar.

00:02:54.740 Got a cool name.

00:02:56.280 Yeah, the name definitely punches you in the mouth right off the bat.

00:02:59.680 The content, not so great.

00:03:01.440 But the idea, we're making it up as we go.

00:03:05.420 We didn't really know what it was going to be, if it was going to be supernatural.

00:03:08.140 And it just kind of delved down into this idea of looking at current day going-ons through a Christian biblical lens.

00:03:17.800 Because as we progress, it's the only way that any of this makes sense.

00:03:22.480 Otherwise, we're just kind of flailing wildly in the dark, right?

00:03:25.440 Where there might be aliens, or there might be, you know, something's happening in politics, but we can't explain it.

00:03:31.220 Something's happening culturally, we're not sure.

00:03:33.340 And then you start reading the Bible and getting some great guests that come on and can really decipher and explain a lot of these things to you.

00:03:41.100 And it's like, wow.

00:03:43.000 Picking up this prism has made my life a lot easier in many different facets.

00:03:49.660 So you're right at home on this show.

00:03:52.660 I'm excited to see where this goes.

00:03:55.140 And yeah, man, take it away.

00:03:57.300 I know I've covered a lot of similar topics.

00:03:59.620 I mean, I've talked about the Nephilim. 0.92

00:04:02.180 In fact, I just had the most recent episode of Mysterious World is on the Book of Jubilees, which talks about the Nephilim.

00:04:08.840 I've got a two-parter coming out on the Book of First Enoch, which also talks about the Nephilim.

00:04:15.180 I saw you guys had an exploration of the Book of Revelation.

00:04:18.820 I've done a lot of exploration of the Book of Revelation.

00:04:22.280 And also lately, I've done a lot of research on death-related phenomena.

00:04:28.580 So this is not just near-death experiences, but also things that occur before and after near-death experiences.

00:04:36.060 So that includes what are known as deathbed visions, which a person has before they die.

00:04:41.820 And then the near-death experiences that happen when someone is either clinically dead or near-clinically dead.

00:04:50.060 And then after death, there are what are known as after-death communications, which are just spontaneous, where people will report their loved ones coming back and giving them a message.

00:05:00.840 And these phenomena are much more common than people realize.

00:05:05.620 For example, with spontaneous after-death communications, or ADCs, between 40 and 50 percent of the population reports having an after-death communication at least once in their life.

00:05:18.200 So these are not talked about a lot, basically because of the prejudice against them in our society.

00:05:25.200 In fact, near-death experiences weren't talked about really prior to the mid-1970s when Raymond Moody's book Life After Life came out.

00:05:32.560 But all three of these different types of experiences really do point to an afterlife, and they mutually reinforce each other.

00:05:42.800 They have elements in common.

00:05:45.140 And so I think it's good to look broadly at death-related phenomena and see what we can learn from them.

00:05:52.120 That's interesting.

00:05:53.460 I wonder, too, about the other side of the fence.

00:05:57.480 So you mentioned after-death communications, and I only kind of, or not that I only, but I look at these things oftentimes through my own experiential lens.

00:06:08.580 And I had a dream once where an uncle who was very close to me passed away, but before he passed away in this dream, and he wasn't, you know, in bad health either.

00:06:22.800 So I kind of pondered that sometimes.

00:06:24.540 I'm like, am I thinking about it?

00:06:25.560 Because he was doing actually pretty well, and he wasn't that old.

00:06:29.180 He was maybe in his late 50s, and it was a medical accident that caused this event.

00:06:35.720 But before he passed away, I had this dream that he and I were in a supermarket together, and he was, I always say he looked like Gandalf the White.

00:06:45.920 If you're familiar with Lord of the Rings, there's Gandalf the Gray, and then there's Gandalf the White when Gandalf is resurrected, which those films-

00:06:52.620 People sometimes call me Gandalf the Red.

00:06:54.860 There you go.

00:06:55.740 So that film actually mirrors Christ on like three different levels, where you have the resurrection of Gandalf, you know, the resurrection of Christ.

00:07:06.000 There's the return of the king, and then there's also the suffering of Frodo Baggins.

00:07:10.640 So there's these three different Christ-like elements within the film, but he looked like Gandalf the White.

00:07:15.400 He had this long, flowing robe.

00:07:17.100 His hair was uncharacteristically white.

00:07:19.360 His beard was uncharacteristically white.

00:07:21.760 Not that he had aged, but he just looked like almost grandiose.

00:07:24.640 And then shortly afterwards, he ends up passing away in real life, and I always kind of held on to that connection.

00:07:33.100 So to me, it seems like this phenomenon of death that awaits us all.

00:07:39.080 Well, you know, obviously it's so integral to the human experience, and it's religious in nature because the existence of human beings is biblical in nature.

00:07:48.740 But it permeates the people surrounding the person who passes away too in such a way that, you know, it's like if your life is filled with signs and symbols, which oftentimes when we hear these near-death experiences, I only have a peripheral knowledge.

00:08:04.420 Some of the stories that I've read myself, testimonies and such, they're heavily symbolic, almost like, I don't want to say coded messages, but you get a lot of different things coming back from people who have had near-death experiences.

00:08:20.580 There was a lot of heavy symbolism.

00:08:22.700 Somehow this place felt more real than the place that we inhabit now.

00:08:26.040 Now, did you – have you collected these through testimony, people that you've communicated with, or are these things that you've read and come across yourself?

00:08:35.920 Well, these are ones that I have done a lot of reading on.

00:08:42.300 Now, in addition to my work as a Christian apologist, I also study parapsychology.

00:08:47.440 And in fact, I teach parapsychology at the Ryan Education Center.

00:08:51.180 Like this – later this month, I'm starting a course on Christianity and parapsychology and how the two relate to each other.

00:09:00.740 But there's an extensive literature in parapsychology about death-related experiences.

00:09:09.820 It's – survival of bodily death is one of the two main subject areas that parapsychology studies.

00:09:15.700 The other is psychic function.

00:09:17.000 So, parapsychology is the study of psychic function from a scientific perspective and the study of survival of bodily death from a scientific perspective.

00:09:28.000 And so, there's been a lot of work done on these.

00:09:31.980 And, of course, the basis of these experiences is, of course, experiences.

00:09:38.660 You know, things that have happened to people, things that people report.

00:09:41.300 And so, there are varieties of different collections that have been made of hundreds of near-death experiences and hundreds of deathbed visions and hundreds of after-death communications.

00:09:56.540 They're done in different countries.

00:09:58.420 Here, like on the subject of after-death communications, I read one collection that was primarily American, but I read another that was Icelandic, you know.

00:10:08.340 So, in the study of deathbed visions, I've got one collection or one book that's considered a classic in the field that is a study of reports from over 800 doctors and nurses.

00:10:22.200 But they're divided between the United States and India because they wanted to compare cross-culturally and see how do these things change cross-culturally.

00:10:34.260 Do they report different things in America than they do in India?

00:10:37.360 Or are they substantially the same?

00:10:39.400 And it turns out they're substantially the same.

00:10:41.160 So, I have, you know, talked to people who have had such experiences.

00:10:47.660 In fact, I have family members who have had both deathbed visions and near-death experiences and after-death communications.

00:10:57.880 So, I have talked to people who've had them.

00:11:01.120 And I even think I may have had an after-death communication myself, which I'm happy to tell you about if you want.

00:11:07.420 But, primarily, what I'm drawn on today is case study collections and surveys and looking at the phenomena in aggregate, you know.

00:11:18.940 So, not just one person.

00:11:20.660 In fact, there's even reason to be suspicious.

00:11:23.560 If you see, like, a book that someone says, I had a near-death experience and here's my book about it.

00:11:30.780 Well, most people don't have enough of an experience to get a whole book out of.

00:11:36.740 So, that's an atypical experience at the minimum.

00:11:41.100 And atypical experiences, often you've got to treat them a little more skeptically.

00:11:45.740 And especially if someone's making money off it with a book, there's reason to be suspicious about that.

00:11:52.200 You might start grasping when you can't fill the whole book.

00:11:55.380 Well, what do you do?

00:11:56.060 Maybe you start filling in details that weren't necessarily true.

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00:12:29.240 I had a question.

00:12:31.780 So, one of the things that I know makes me skeptical about not – it's not whether or not this stuff is happening.

00:12:37.840 I know that there are these post-Death experiences and near-Death experiences, but how much of these are actually the person that is visiting their loved one after, and how much of this is like a glamour or a magic sort of thing?

00:12:55.260 Because I know you can test the spirits.

00:12:56.860 You can ask them.

00:12:58.000 This is something that I would be, like, concerned about.

00:13:00.440 Okay, so – oh, and before I answer that, let me also just mention, Raven, your experience that you mentioned with your uncle who looked like Gandalf the White.

00:13:10.380 Yeah.

00:13:10.740 That would be – assuming that was, you know, not just a random dream, because we all have random dreams, but assuming it was something more than that, that would be a premonition, a warning ahead of time of something that was later going to happen if your interpretation of it is correct.

00:13:27.180 So, that would be a pre-cognitive experience that pointed forward to your uncle's death.

00:13:33.520 It was interesting just to note, in the dream, he was walking away from me.

00:13:37.600 I couldn't get his attention no matter how much I tried.

00:13:40.260 I couldn't get around him.

00:13:41.500 It seemed that the aisles of the supermarket had narrowed in such a way that I couldn't maneuver around him, and despite my attempts to get his attention, he just kept walking away.

00:13:52.040 So, that's kind of the way that I interpret it.

00:13:54.420 And that can be a sign of the inevitability of death.

00:13:57.520 You know, we're not going to be able to stop it.

00:13:59.800 Right.

00:14:01.000 Lobster, in terms of your – do you prefer top, or do you prefer lobster?

00:14:05.140 Top is fine.

00:14:06.320 Okay, top.

00:14:07.220 If you're not comfortable with top, I get it.

00:14:08.860 It's a little weird.

00:14:09.900 I got stuck with this name.

00:14:11.220 I'm fine.

00:14:12.200 So, if I understand your question correctly, you're asking about the – what in parapsychology is known as the veridicality or truthfulness of these experiences.

00:14:25.320 And there are different ways of judging that.

00:14:28.680 Now, in a lot of cases, whether it's a deathbed vision or near-death experience or an after-death communication, we don't really have more than the experience report.

00:14:42.300 You know, we – and so that's all we've got to go with.

00:14:46.800 And you could say, well, this is a person's imagination or they're making it up or they're mentally ill or it was the product of a dying brain or any number of things.

00:14:55.620 Well, to interject, top, is it really that you are alluding to whether or not this is – not that the near-death experience itself is a deception, but can you be deceived?

00:15:07.980 Are people – is that where you're going with this, top?

00:15:10.040 Yeah, it's not – I'm not asking about a mental illness because that will play a part, but we're kind of on this – have you ever heard of Dr. Jerry Marzynski?

00:15:20.360 I've heard the name.

00:15:21.420 Okay, yeah, he's a psychologist for a number of years, and he thinks that schizophrenics are in contact with entities.

00:15:31.200 Yeah.

00:15:31.660 I'm not sure if he thinks all of them are, but he says that there's a vast number.

00:15:35.240 We just had him on with one of his former –

00:15:37.860 Patients?

00:15:39.120 Yeah, his former patients, and he was basically telling us about what he was going through.

00:15:44.600 I saw that preview.

00:15:45.760 Okay, yeah, and it just – it raises concern for me whenever you have like a dead relative visit you, and from – after they've died, it's like a – is this a genuine spirit?

00:15:59.640 Are they just walking around?

00:16:01.220 Are they left out there, or is this something trying to get you to consent?

00:16:06.980 You know what I'm saying?

00:16:07.660 Do you have any idea about the numbers on this kind of thing?

00:16:12.460 Yeah, so in terms of numbers, I don't, but in terms of procedure, I do.

00:16:21.220 So to me, the first question is, can we establish that anything paranormal is likely happening here, or could it just be purely natural?

00:16:30.360 And then, if something paranormal is happening, then you can – so it's like, is it a spirit or is it not a spirit?

00:16:39.420 If it's a spirit, you can then apply the test of the spirit's principles.

00:16:43.580 So I would kind of split the question in two.

00:16:46.120 First, is there anything paranormal here?

00:16:49.320 Do we have evidence for an afterlife, or do we have evidence for a spirit?

00:16:52.980 And then second, do we have evidence for deception taking place?

00:16:57.400 And so, like with your guest, Dr. Marzinski, I am not at all opposed to the idea that certain types of schizophrenics are actually experiencing something paranormal,

00:17:13.220 and it could be contact with a malicious, deceptive spirit in some cases.

00:17:17.460 There are other cases where – that I know about anecdotally where when, you know, you go into a mental institution,

00:17:27.920 and when you actually talk to the patients there, they seem to be picking up on things like the thoughts of the doctors and the nurses and things like that.

00:17:39.500 And so there – some mental conditions may involve a kind of psychic openness to – and that openness, if you're picking up on the thoughts of doctors and nurses,

00:17:52.820 you could also be picking up on the thoughts of evil spirits that are trying to mess with you.

00:17:57.160 So I'd say we have to be careful in those areas, and we want to consider all the possibilities, not just the paranormal ones.

00:18:05.500 In fact, I'm a paranormal investigator, and the first rule of doing a paranormal investigation is you make a list of everything that could possibly explain the experiences that are being reported,

00:18:16.600 and then you look at the natural explanations first, because natural phenomena are more common than paranormal phenomena.

00:18:28.140 And so you always want to look at could this have a natural cause first.

00:18:32.580 But in some cases, you get evidence that something beyond just the natural is going on.

00:18:38.180 So, for example, if someone's reporting a death-related experience, whether it's before, during, or after,

00:18:45.640 they tend to fit certain – they tend to have certain characteristics.

00:18:51.260 Like, for example, in near-death experiences, seeing – floating above your body and seeing yourself.

00:18:57.380 That's called autoscopy, seeing yourself.

00:19:00.800 That's a common characteristic of near-death experiences.

00:19:04.500 So is perceiving a very bright light that yet doesn't seem to hurt your eyes.

00:19:10.180 So is having a review of your life in terms of did I do good or bad.

00:19:17.200 So is seeing either departed loved ones or angels or, you know, some kind of religious figure welcoming you into the afterlife.

00:19:26.980 So those are all common characteristics.

00:19:28.620 Now, if a particular experience has those common characteristics, then there's at least a little bit more confidence that, okay, this is a standard one.

00:19:39.880 This is not totally weird.

00:19:42.280 It's something that, you know, has at least a modicum of credibility.

00:19:46.040 But then you can build upon that and, in some cases, and get additional credibility for it.

00:19:54.900 Like, for example, just to stick with near-death experiences for the moment, did the person retrieve veridical information while they were in the near-death experience?

00:20:06.660 Meaning, did they learn something that they didn't previously know and that they had no natural way of knowing and that's too specific to be guessed by random chance?

00:20:19.460 And then that turned out to be true.

00:20:21.880 To give a classic example, in the 1970s, there was a woman named Maria. 0.76

00:20:26.740 She was a migrant worker from Latin America, but she was here in the United States.

00:20:30.740 And she began to suffer heart failure.

00:20:34.620 And they took her to a hospital.

00:20:36.500 And while she was in the hospital, they, like, took her in at night so she couldn't even get a good look at the outside of the hospital.

00:20:42.360 You know, they rushed her there in an ambulance.

00:20:44.960 And in the hospital, she suffered a cardiac arrest.

00:20:50.220 And while she, while the doctors and nurses were working on her to try to restart her heart, which is something that really only became possible in the 1960s.

00:21:01.280 So this is pretty early in resuscitation technology.

00:21:04.200 But they're working to restart her heart.

00:21:06.480 She has an out-of-body experience.

00:21:08.340 She looks down.

00:21:09.100 She sees the doctors and nurses working on her.

00:21:12.020 And then, so she had autoscopy.

00:21:14.300 And then, she starts looking around the rest of the hospital.

00:21:19.960 And she sees something very odd that you would not expect to see.

00:21:25.740 And they get her heart restarted.

00:21:27.700 And she doesn't really speak English.

00:21:30.180 So she's really excited and talking in Spanish.

00:21:33.720 And they bring in a hospital worker who speaks some Spanish to talk to her.

00:21:38.820 Because it wasn't as common to speak Spanish back in the 1970s as it is now.

00:21:42.620 And she tells the hospital worker about her near-death experience.

00:21:47.980 And she says, I saw a men's dark blue tennis shoe with some scuff marks on it.

00:21:57.240 And the shoelace wrapped around it on a ledge outside a window on one of the upper floors of the hospital.

00:22:07.520 Can you go find that so I'll know if I'm crazy or not?

00:22:11.320 And so the hospital worker does.

00:22:14.660 And she starts going around, looking out the windows on the upper floors of the hospital.

00:22:18.860 And lo and behold, there is a men's dark blue tennis shoe with scuff marks and a shoelace wrapped around it.

00:22:25.220 And she's able to open the window and get it back and bring it down and show it to Maria.

00:22:30.120 So this is something very specific.

00:22:32.340 Maria did not know about this shoe before she suffered cardiac arrest.

00:22:36.280 It's too specific to guess that there would be something like that on a ledge outside of one of the upper floor windows.

00:22:45.020 And it turned out to be true. 0.81

00:22:46.720 So that's a case of veridical information or truthful information that was retrieved during the near-death experience.

00:22:54.760 And that gives us additional evidence that this experience was not just a hallucination or something like that.

00:23:02.860 This was something that was real.

00:23:04.660 And because Maria did not find the shoe, it was the hospital worker, we've got an independent witness.

00:23:10.620 And so independent witnesses of things also provide additional evidence for the reality of the experience.

00:23:19.940 Now, there are still other ways of interpreting it.

00:23:23.100 You could say, and this was an idea that was explored even as early as the late 1800s when what was then called psychical research, or it's now called parapsychology, then it was called psychical research.

00:23:37.040 When that first started, you had a lot of researchers who were sometimes very prominent scientists, like, for example, the American William James or the British, I'm going to blank on his first name, but Crooks.

00:23:52.200 He won a Nobel Prize.

00:23:54.320 You had these psychical researchers.

00:23:56.500 And one of the things they considered in some of these survival-related experiences is could this, instead of really being survival of consciousness beyond bodily death, could it just be psychic functioning?

00:24:10.200 So you could say, okay, maybe Maria never left her body.

00:24:14.320 Maybe she just psychically perceived there's a shoe up there and then interpreted that as something she saw as part of an out-of-body experience, even though that didn't really happen.

00:24:29.000 And so there are other ways of looking at these things.

00:24:32.720 You could also say, well, maybe a demon planted that in her head. 0.87

00:24:37.700 Well, okay, so you can say such things, but how do you decide between these options?

00:24:42.620 Now, there's no way to do so 100%, but I rely on a principle that we all rely on.

00:24:49.860 In philosophy, it's sometimes called phenomenal conservatism.

00:24:53.620 And the idea of phenomenal conservatism is you take every experience as it appears until you get evidence that it should be taken in some other way.

00:25:06.580 And we all do this every day.

00:25:08.560 If you, let's say, I don't know if you gentlemen happen to be married, but let's say you are, you come home one day after work, there's a woman there who looks like your wife, and she's making dinner, and she feeds you a dinner.

00:25:22.300 And the logical way to interpret this experience is it's my wife serving me an ordinary dinner.

00:25:29.600 It would be paranoid to assume, without any evidence, that it's not your wife.

00:25:37.840 It's her evil twin that you have no evidence even exists, and she's not feeding you.

00:25:45.040 You just messed up the rest of my wife's evening because this is what I'm going to be doing. 1.00

00:25:48.880 Who are you?

00:25:49.880 Where did you come from?

00:25:51.260 What were we doing five years ago?

00:25:52.900 Yeah.

00:25:54.440 Incidentally, that's called Capgras Syndrome.

00:25:56.500 It's known where you think your loved ones are being replaced by imposters.

00:26:00.300 It's kind of like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

00:26:02.220 Well, have you ever heard those stories of, like, the mimics, right, where it's like you hear your wife's voice, let's say, coming from the other side of the house, and you kind of wonder to yourself, like, oh, when did she get home?

00:26:12.140 And you respond, and she doesn't say anything back.

00:26:14.740 And then 10 minutes later, she walks through the door, and you're going, wait a second.

00:26:18.700 I just heard you from upstairs.

00:26:19.860 I've read stories like that that will make your hair stand up on end, but what you're talking about here – go ahead.

00:26:26.160 Well, just to tie it up, you know, if you assume it's your wife's evil twin when you don't even have any evidence she's got a twin, and if you assume it's not an ordinary dinner, she's trying to poison you so she can get insurance money.

00:26:37.700 Well, that's possible, but it's not how the experience presents itself, and it's frankly paranoid, disordered thinking to propose that without evidence.

00:26:47.800 Now, if you got evidence that that's what's happening, go with the evidence.

00:26:51.440 Don't eat the dinner.

00:26:52.800 But if you don't have evidence, then you need to behave normally.

00:26:57.520 And in the same way, when you have something like Maria's experience with the shoe, okay, she perceived herself leaving her body and seeing the shoe.

00:27:06.140 So that would be the logical way to interpret it until you get evidence for, no, it was just a psychic experience and she misinterpreted it, or you get evidence that, oh, there was a demon involved doing it.

00:27:20.440 But it's paranoid to go with one of those other interpretations without evidence.

00:27:26.820 As long as you don't have evidence for something else happening, you should interpret the experience as it presents itself.

00:27:34.440 So that's how I'd sort through, you know, the apparent interpretation of something versus other possible interpretations that we don't actually have evidence for.

00:27:44.480 Well, I'm at the point now in 2024 where when I hear you say something like this, my mind immediately goes, as you're explaining this woman's experience, what it sounds like to me is that she had a forced event of astral projection, which is something that I know people do.

00:28:04.160 I know Anton LaVey did that when we started talking about like the silver cord and this stuff is mimicked throughout Disney movies and other, you know, media.

00:28:12.340 I mean, even, uh, what's that, that new show with the upside down, it's with the kids or whatever.

00:28:17.320 Stranger things.

00:28:18.400 Yeah.

00:28:18.680 They're depicting some sort of astral projection as well.

00:28:21.540 And this is like now, now it's a meme in, in, in the culture, but you can go back 30 years.

00:28:27.280 I'm reading a book that's 30 years old and there's a woman describing this exact, it's not a phenomenon.

00:28:32.240 Some people do it on purpose.

00:28:33.400 Some people know how to do this and it's just sounds like that's what she did.

00:28:38.440 She was out of her body traveling and then snap back in and did it unintentionally. 1.00

00:28:45.320 During clinical death, when her heart is not functioning.

00:28:48.420 Yeah.

00:28:49.280 Right.

00:28:50.140 Now in terms, just, uh, just in, in case it's helpful.

00:28:54.740 So the term astral projection is not generally used these days in parapsychological circles.

00:29:01.340 It used to be, um, but it's largely been abandoned because it has religious connotations.

00:29:07.980 The, it comes from a religion that started in the late 1800s known as theosophy, which was started by Madam Helena Blavatsky.

00:29:15.500 And in, in Blavatsky's view, humans are more than just a body and a soul.

00:29:24.100 They, there are several other components too.

00:29:27.000 One of which is called the astral body.

00:29:29.920 And, um, and it, the, the astral body in, in Blavatsky's thought is not the same thing as your soul.

00:29:37.600 And so the idea was you've got this astral body that you can send out and that's why it's called astral projection.

00:29:44.240 Also, they borrowed a line from the book of Ecclesiastes, which talks about a death and it uses a metaphor that involves a silver cord.

00:29:54.900 And they would propose that the astral body is connected to your physical body by a silver cord.

00:30:01.580 Well, okay.

00:30:03.600 Subsequent to that, um, there's been research done on this type of experience today to avoid the religious connotations of theosophy.

00:30:12.320 And these have been reported all the way through history.

00:30:14.720 There, there's even an example of what looks like one in the Bible.

00:30:18.420 Um, in fact, more than one example, um, like when St. Paul in second Corinthians says he was caught up to the third heaven and he didn't know, was I in my body or not?

00:30:30.880 Okay.

00:30:31.320 Well, he just raised the possibility that he was not in his body and that would be an out of body experience.

00:30:37.860 And so that's what those are called today in parapsychological circles.

00:30:41.080 Look, they're called out of body experiences where you view your point of view is somewhere outside of your body and you're looking at stuff.

00:30:49.740 And in recent surveys of out of body experiencers, they've asked about things like, do you see a silver cord?

00:30:58.460 And the answer overwhelmingly is no.

00:31:00.840 Right.

00:31:01.380 That seems to be so I've, from what I've heard, uh, most of the time, people are unaware of the state of their body at all.

00:31:09.220 Meaning like sometimes they are out of body and can see their physical body, but there's never really a description of like, and was also aware of my new astral body.

00:31:17.940 There's, there seems to be an absence of, of any descriptive, uh, you know, about the body.

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00:32:13.660 That, that was the next thing I was going to mention, which is, there's also a dispute among out-of-body experiencers about, does anything leave your body when you have an out-of-body experience?

00:32:29.480 Um, or is it just a shift of viewpoint, which would be like travel and clairvoyance?

00:32:35.160 And some out-of-body experiencers say, yeah, I think something does leave.

00:32:41.180 For example, there is a guy named Alex Tanis, who, um, did research with the American Society for Psychological Research back in the 1980s.

00:32:51.520 And he did astral projection or out-of-body experiences.

00:32:54.960 He could do them, you know, on demand when people requested him to.

00:32:58.880 And so they did a bunch of experiments where they'd like have him lay down in one room and they, uh, would then have a target in another room and say, can you go down the hall to this other room and tell us what the target is?

00:33:15.740 Okay.

00:33:16.140 This is what they're asking in the, in the chat here.

00:33:18.080 Is there a difference between astral projection and remote viewing?

00:33:20.380 So please continue.

00:33:21.460 I'll get to that.

00:33:22.320 Yeah.

00:33:22.500 So what Alex said was, well, I'm, my soul is obviously not leaving my body because if it did, I'd be dead.

00:33:30.140 But he thought that there was something that left his body, which he referred to as Alex two.

00:33:36.780 So Alex one is laying here on the bed and Alex two is going down the hall to view the target.

00:33:42.580 But not all out-of-body experiencers agree with that.

00:33:46.140 There is a British gentleman named Graham Nichols, who is an out-of-body experiencer.

00:33:50.680 He can also do it, you know, on command.

00:33:52.900 I mean, he has to get ready for it, but he can do it on command.

00:33:55.380 And he says, no, nothing leaves my body.

00:33:57.880 This is, this is travel and clairvoyance where I'm shifting my point of view to look at something in the distance and it's related, but not necessarily the same thing as remote viewing.

00:34:11.600 Most remote viewers do not have out-of-body experiences.

00:34:15.220 They, um, instead, uh, will like sit at a desk with a pad of paper in front of them and just try to pick up impressions about a distant target.

00:34:27.100 And, and, and so they, they don't have their viewpoint and, and often they don't even get a general look at the target.

00:34:38.160 They just get little details like, oh, it's smooth and it's, it's metal and it's pointed and it's got tourists.

00:34:47.320 Oh, it's the Eiffel tower, but it's not like they get an image of the Eiffel tower and they can zoom around it and stuff.

00:34:53.240 On the other hand, because there is a similarity, uh, between these two kinds of experiences, it could be that they exist on a spectrum and that remote viewing is at kind of one end of the spectrum and then full out-of-body experiences are at the more immersive end of the spectrum.

00:35:13.000 But all of this is still currently debated and there are studies underway to try to figure out how all this works.

00:35:21.660 What are your, uh, so we, we mentioned Helena Blavatsky for a moment there and in my limited peripheral understanding of her, she was, uh, a Satanist, uh, maybe to put it in simply.

00:35:31.080 No, no, that's not an accurate description.

00:35:33.180 No, she hybridized, um, she hybridized, um, Christian thought with Hindu thought and Buddhist thought and some other stuff that she made up herself.

00:35:46.960 She claimed that she was in communication with living people who lived in, who lived in, um, like Tibet and places like that, who she called the ascended masters and they were her supposed source of information, but she didn't worship the devil.

00:36:03.660 Now, um, there are actual Satanists who do that, but she didn't happen to be one of them.

00:36:10.580 So when, when you hear that, right, this ascended masters notion, this, um, uh, description of, uh, astral projection, the, the presence of a silver cord, um, you know, your astral body, do you think that there's any room for that?

00:36:26.460 What, what, in your opinion was, if this is a separate thing, because, uh, in, in testimony, people don't necessarily describe the presence of a silver cord, uh, do you think that Blavatsky was wrong in her assumptions or, or her descriptions?

00:36:43.760 Or do you think that these are two separate things and there may well be something, some sort of function that, uh, one could undertake that would fit more accurately the description of what Blavatsky was talking about?

00:36:54.860 Well, there are out-of-body experiences and they're not dependent on Helena, on Helena Blavatsky and her theosophical society.

00:37:03.760 I mean, they would try to tell you, here's how you can have one maybe, but they've been reported all the way through history.

00:37:10.360 Um, there's another example from the old Testament where it's, it sounds like either remote viewing or out of body, but there's a particular instance, you know, where Naaman, the leper comes to the prophet Elisha.

00:37:22.860 And wants to get healed of his leprosy and he thinks I'm going to have to do something really amazing.

00:37:28.060 And Elisha just tells him, go down and go down to the river and, and bathe in the Jordan seven times.

00:37:34.020 And he kind of scoffs at that, but eventually he does it and he gets cured and he comes back and says, thank you so much.

00:37:40.420 Let me reward you.

00:37:41.460 And Elisha says, nope, um, I don't, won't take a reward.

00:37:46.200 And Naaman says, okay, well then let me take some earth, you know, some dirt back home so I can build an altar to Yahweh on it.

00:37:55.360 And I'll worship Yahweh from now on. 0.97

00:37:57.760 And Elisha says, sure, that's great.

00:37:59.860 So he gets the earth, loads it on his donkeys, heads out.

00:38:03.260 Well, then Elisha's servant starts thinking, my master wouldn't take anything from him, but he was willing to give something.

00:38:13.560 I bet I could get something out of him.

00:38:16.140 And so he follows Naaman and he meets with him and he says, hey, my master just had two visitors come.

00:38:27.520 Could we get a couple of nice robes from you and some other nice stuff that we can give him?

00:38:36.280 And Naaman is like, oh, by all means, here you go.

00:38:38.920 Please, I'm happy to do this.

00:38:40.280 And so the servant takes all this back and when he gets back, Elisha is saying, so what did you do today?

00:38:47.280 And he's like, oh, I didn't do anything today.

00:38:50.260 And then what Elisha says is, did not my heart go with you to meet with this guy where you got the robes and the stuff?

00:39:00.980 Okay, this is sounding like an out-of-body experience.

00:39:03.960 If his heart went with you, but his body didn't go with him, this is sounding like an out-of-body experience.

00:39:13.680 And there are similar reports all the way down through history, including in the Christian community.

00:39:18.520 So I would say, however you explain these phenomena, what happened was Helena Blavatsky came up with her own ideas about him

00:39:28.000 and then talked about him in terms of her ideas, and that influenced the discussion for a while because she helped popularize him.

00:39:39.280 But then these days, at least in parapsychology, they've tried to scrape off all the Helena Blavatsky stuff and say,

00:39:47.120 let's take this material out of it and just look at it from a scientific perspective and try to describe it as neutrally as possible

00:39:54.700 without presumptions about silver cords and astral bodies and stuff and see what we find.

00:40:01.040 And when they did that, they found no evidence, basically, for a silver cord and mixed evidence for whether something leaves you.

00:40:09.080 But there have been thinkers in Christian history who have proposed that in addition to our body and our spirit,

00:40:16.880 there might be some kind of in-between thing that we have that could potentially be sent out.

00:40:24.400 But that's theological speculation.

00:40:26.300 You find some thinkers, for example, in the Middle Ages talking about that.

00:40:29.980 It seems that you find quite a bit of that as well in Testimony of Alien Abduction,

00:40:37.860 that some of it, at least, doesn't seem to actually happen in a physical sense.

00:40:45.160 But all of the emotion and the experience of being removed from your home by these shadowy entities is there.

00:40:53.160 But, you know, if you look around the room, if you have a camera, let's say, set up,

00:41:00.080 it's evident that you never actually went anywhere.

00:41:02.740 You know, when you're talking about all these things,

00:41:06.120 these are things that a lot of the medical industry would dismiss as hallucinations,

00:41:12.580 including the near-death experiences.

00:41:15.780 But the problem with that is that just as you've described here,

00:41:20.240 over hundreds, if not thousands of cases, there are discernible patterns,

00:41:26.080 which kind of betrays the idea that these would be hallucinations.

00:41:30.540 Dr. Marzinski, who we talked about earlier, would say that...

00:41:34.060 Drink.

00:41:34.880 Yeah.

00:41:35.260 Every time we mention it, we can't help but mention the guy all the time.

00:41:37.780 But he would say that hallucinations, by definition, don't adhere to patterns.

00:41:44.720 And so once you have a series of patterns, especially in the way that you've been describing,

00:41:50.200 it seems pretty obvious that there's something else going on here.

00:41:54.020 For the longest time, these things were kind of dismissed by the medical and scientific community as a pseudoscience.

00:42:02.000 There's always been a paranormal study that is the underbelly of these forementioned industries, right?

00:42:11.040 The scientific one and the medical industry.

00:42:13.220 But for the longest time, they've been ridiculed.

00:42:18.440 We just had recently...

00:42:20.300 What's this guy's name, Top?

00:42:22.420 Tucker Carlson.

00:42:23.860 Tucker Carlson, he's making the rounds.

00:42:26.420 And he said something pretty interesting.

00:42:28.560 And it's that the West, in the West, I'm paraphrasing,

00:42:31.740 we've lost our understanding of spirituality and more than likely by design.

00:42:39.120 It's just funny because where we sit right now, and I don't know if you feel this way, Jimmy,

00:42:44.820 but the state of things suggests that we need to understand we've got a lot of catching up to do.

00:42:54.980 Because it seems imperative based off of just world events, and especially in the West, the state of America,

00:43:03.080 that we familiarize ourselves with the spiritual realm because it seems pretty obvious that there is one

00:43:08.760 and that we're constantly engaging with it, unbeknownst to the average person who's just going through the nine-to-five grind.

00:43:14.500 You know, whatever you're doing, public transportation, you come home, you live your life on repeat, but in a million ways a day.

00:43:20.320 Is this my wife cooking dinner? We don't know.

00:43:22.300 It could be her evil twin.

00:43:25.020 But we seem to be interacting with it without even knowing it.

00:43:28.820 Do you think that's fair to say?

00:43:30.480 Oh, yeah.

00:43:31.100 I think there is a spiritual world, and we are interacting with it,

00:43:35.520 and much of the time unaware of the fact.

00:43:39.160 So one of the things, let me see if I can remember this, because I had a thought while you were speaking.

00:43:49.120 Oh, I know what it was.

00:43:49.980 It was about hallucinations.

00:43:51.880 So I've actually been reading a good bit about hallucinations recently.

00:43:56.520 For example, Oliver Sacks, the neurologist, has a whole book about him, and it's really fascinating.

00:44:03.020 One of the things that I think we have to be open to is that there could be hallucinations that have common patterns.

00:44:14.780 Now, most hallucinations seem to be quite random, and I know your other guest talked about that.

00:44:25.300 But in principle, if, let's say, there's a particular kind of hallucination that's based on a certain kind of bodily malfunction,

00:44:35.880 it could generate similar experiences.

00:44:39.400 So, for example, one of the commonly reported phenomena in near-death experiences,

00:44:46.580 you often hear about going through a dark tunnel.

00:44:49.400 Well, it's not always a dark tunnel.

00:44:51.040 Sometimes it's just a sense of motion towards a light.

00:44:55.300 And in some cultures, reportedly, it's not even moving through darkness.

00:45:02.260 It's like crossing a bridge to a beautiful park or something.

00:45:06.300 But however, in all these different situations, though, it seems that there's some kind of transitional movement

00:45:13.180 or experience of transitional movement that frequently is through darkness to some kind of light or lighter realm.

00:45:21.040 Now, there has been a proposal, and I believe this was proposed by the British researcher Susan Blackmore,

00:45:32.160 that what's responsible for this is the dying of the visual cortex,

00:45:37.900 and that the visual cortex goes offline in such a way that your field of vision kind of narrows and you perceive light in the distance,

00:45:49.100 and it's kind of like you're moving towards this light, and it's really our visual cortex diet.

00:45:54.440 People will describe that in those G-force tests.

00:45:56.740 Mm-hmm.

00:45:57.980 Yeah, something like that.

00:45:59.240 Yeah.

00:45:59.880 And so, okay, I think we've got to entertain that possibility.

00:46:05.700 Now, what that's not going to do is explain Maria Shue or other aspects of the experience where someone comes back with vertical information.

00:46:16.180 So, even though I'd say it's hypothetically possible that there could be hallucinations that people experience

00:46:27.620 that are based on, say, a physiological process that's shutting down or working wrong,

00:46:33.380 I don't want to dismiss that, but I also want to acknowledge that most hallucinations that people have tend to be very random.

00:46:42.800 They're like dreams, and deathbed visions, near-death experiences, and after-death communications are not like dreams.

00:46:50.680 Although, after-death communications sometimes occur in dreams, but there's enough here that you can't,

00:46:58.220 even if Susan Blackmore was right about the visual cortex being responsible for this aspect,

00:47:04.600 and she's just speculating.

00:47:06.060 There's no proof that that's what's happening.

00:47:08.600 It's just her guessing.

00:47:09.780 But even if that guess turned out to be correct, there's other stuff happening in these experiences that that will not explain

00:47:17.820 and that does not have any normal explanation.

00:47:21.620 That has to be paranormal if someone's coming back with knowledge that's that specific that they couldn't,

00:47:29.060 that they had no natural way of knowing.

00:47:30.860 And that's something that you find in the other experiences as well.

00:47:35.660 It's not just near-death experiences.

00:47:37.420 You get vertical information like that in both deathbed visions and in after-death communications.

00:47:43.540 Let me give you an example of one of the types of information that people sometimes get in deathbed visions.

00:47:53.500 They also get this in NDEs, but it appeared first in the literature in the study of deathbed visions.

00:47:59.680 It's what's known as a peak in Darien experience.

00:48:03.940 Now, that's P-E-A-K, like a mountain peak.

00:48:08.000 And Darien is a province in Panama.

00:48:10.620 And there's an old poem about climbing a peak in Darien, province Panama.

00:48:16.780 And when you get to the top of the peak, you suddenly unexpectedly see the Pacific Ocean on the other side of the peak,

00:48:24.200 you know, which are like explorers would have this kind of experience when they were first exploring Panama.

00:48:29.220 And so in parapsychology, the term peak in Darien has become associated with a type of experience where you see something totally unexpected.

00:48:41.880 And the thing that you see is someone you didn't know was dead.

00:48:48.200 So in death, in hallucinations that people have, they will hallucinate anybody.

00:48:57.140 They'll hallucinate people they don't know.

00:48:59.920 They'll hallucinate people they do know who are still alive.

00:49:03.620 They'll hallucinate all kinds of people.

00:49:05.420 Well, in deathbed visions, they don't hallucinate people who are still alive.

00:49:11.800 And they don't hallucinate random strangers.

00:49:14.860 They specifically see departed loved ones who are here to welcome them into the afterlife and to help them cross over.

00:49:23.000 But sometimes one of their departed loved ones is someone they didn't know was dead.

00:49:29.860 So, for example, one early, this one was documented quite early in the late 1800s.

00:49:36.880 There was a British family where you had a woman who's dying and she's surrounded by most of her siblings.

00:49:43.980 But some of her siblings are dead.

00:49:45.900 And so as she's having her deathbed vision, she says, oh, here's my first sibling who everybody knew was dead.

00:49:53.020 And here's my second sibling who everyone knew was dead.

00:49:55.940 And here's my third sibling who everyone knew was dead because people died a lot back then.

00:50:00.860 But then she says, oh, and here's my brother who he's in the afterlife, too, welcoming me.

00:50:09.000 And everyone thinks her brother is over in India and is just fine.

00:50:17.220 And the idea that their other fourth sibling is dead, he's there in the afterlife, was so disturbing to one of the women, one of the other sisters who was present.

00:50:29.420 She just couldn't handle it.

00:50:30.760 She rushed out of the room. 1.00

00:50:31.860 Well, then they get a letter saying, we were got to inform you, your brother in India died.

00:50:41.960 And he died at a date that turned out to be before this woman had her deathbed vision.

00:50:46.840 So she had a Pekindarian experience where she discerned that her brother was in the afterlife, even though nobody there knew that.

00:50:57.120 Another early one, this is from around 1923.

00:51:01.860 You have another woman, she's in a maternity hospital, and she's got a heart condition.

00:51:08.500 And she, because of her heart condition, she has been on bed rest for a long time.

00:51:16.600 And she has given birth, and then after the birth, she's getting ready to die because the strain of the birth was too much for her heart.

00:51:26.680 And so she's getting ready to die, and she's having a deathbed vision.

00:51:31.000 And she's talking about how beautiful everything is that she's seeing and hearing.

00:51:34.820 People see light.

00:51:35.920 They see a beautiful realm.

00:51:36.980 They hear beautiful music.

00:51:38.300 And she says, oh, and here's my father.

00:51:40.580 Come to welcome me into the next world.

00:51:43.140 And here's my sister Vida.

00:51:44.740 Vida, and she had not known that her sister Vida was dead.

00:51:51.100 And she had no way of knowing that her sister Vida was dead because Vida had died three weeks earlier.

00:51:59.600 And when the family learned about Vida's death, they talked to the hospital staff and said, do you think she can take this news?

00:52:08.660 And the matron of the hospital said, no, do not tell her about Vida's death.

00:52:12.620 Her condition is too fragile.

00:52:14.040 We've got to get her through this birth.

00:52:15.360 And so they didn't tell her.

00:52:17.960 And her husband even screened her mail.

00:52:21.620 You know, because back then they didn't have text, you know, text him.

00:52:24.980 They wrote letters.

00:52:26.460 And so every letter that comes in from her, from a friend, before she gets to read it, her husband reads it to make sure nobody mentions Vida's death.

00:52:35.420 So she had no way of knowing that Vida had died, and then she sees her in the afterlife, in her deathbed vision, welcoming her into the afterlife with her departed father.

00:52:48.400 And so this would be another example of a peak in Darian experience that counts as veridical information that would support the idea that this is a real experience.

00:52:59.800 It's not just a hallucination due to the breakdown of, you know, the mind or anything like that.

00:53:08.680 This is something more than that.

00:53:11.420 It seems like maybe the similarities here would be the chemicals that are released in the brain upon death or upon a strenuous situation that would let you kind of pull back this veil.

00:53:25.140 Because you'll see, you know, you'll hear about experiences like this when people do psychedelics or DMT and things like that.

00:53:32.840 I know that there's similar chemicals that are released in the brain naturally, like specifically DMT.

00:53:38.460 And it seems like people are able to just kind of take a peek behind the curtain there right when they do these certain things, whether it's intentional or not.

00:53:47.040 Have your studies led you anywhere there?

00:53:48.940 There's a definite association between, now, so we kind of got two things going on here.

00:53:56.520 These are death-connected phenomena, but in both death-related phenomena and non-death-related phenomena, there is an association between gain in paranormal information, that's ESP, and an altered state of consciousness.

00:54:14.520 There was a researcher in the mid-20th century named Louisa Rine, and she collected case reports of people who had paranormal experiences, and she classified them.

00:54:31.400 And so she did statistical studies of them.

00:54:33.360 And one of the things she found is that when precognitive experiences occur, like, Raven, your experience about your uncle, 60% of the time, it's in the form of a realistic dream.

00:54:47.160 Now, yours was not realistic.

00:54:48.780 Yours was a symbolic dream if it was referred to your uncle's death.

00:54:52.600 But 60% of the time when people have precognitive experiences, it's in the form of a realistic dream.

00:54:58.760 And dreams, of course, are an altered state of consciousness.

00:55:02.440 We're not in normal, alert wakefulness when we're having a dream.

00:55:06.640 There are other altered states of consciousness, too, including things just like relaxation and letting your mind wander, you know, instead of being alert.

00:55:16.840 And there is an association that modern parapsychologists have found between certain altered states of consciousness and expanded awareness of things.

00:55:28.760 Now, it's not all altered states of consciousness.

00:55:31.560 Like, if you hyper-caffeinate yourself, so you're all jittery, actually, that's not going to help you be psychic.

00:55:42.140 But there are various states, like relaxation and so forth, that can.

00:55:49.200 In terms of specifically death-related experiences, people do, you know, as they're getting ready to die, they do enter altered states.

00:56:05.760 And this is something that's been commented on for a long time in the history of Christian thought.

00:56:11.060 St. Augustine, who lived back around the year 400, he has a whole discussion in—actually, it's in the 12th book, I think, of his literal commentary on Genesis,

00:56:24.560 where he talks about how when the mind is quiet and when it starts to partially disengage from worldly affairs and things like that,

00:56:35.840 that people can or are reported to have expanded awareness of things, and so they may predict the future or something.

00:56:44.520 Pope St. Gregory the Great, who lived about the year 600, he has a discussion where he also talks about,

00:56:52.500 it's like when your mind is starting to disengage from your body, you can have greater awareness and can learn about the future.

00:57:02.540 In fact, Pope St. Gregory the Great says that there are two ways that people can learn about the future precognitively.

00:57:10.040 We're not talking about God giving you the information. That's divine revelation.

00:57:16.500 And what Pope St. Gregory the Great is talking about is a little different.

00:57:21.160 He says some people seem to have a subtle quality to their soul that allows them to learn at least a little bit about the future.

00:57:30.840 But other people, when they're getting ready to die, and their soul is starting to detach from the body, they may have visions.

00:57:40.400 He's talking about deathbed visions.

00:57:42.160 And they may learn something that's going to happen in the future.

00:57:46.080 So there is a definite association between paranormal acquisition of information and altered states of consciousness.

00:57:55.020 You mentioned DMT in particular, and actually in the mid-20th century, there were parapsychologists who would test things like LSD and magic mushrooms and stuff like that to see, can we make someone psychic?

00:58:10.180 They didn't get great results.

00:58:11.760 One of the problems is that if you get somebody high, they may stop caring about your experiment.

00:58:20.480 They may stop complying with instructions.

00:58:22.640 They're just, what pretty colors, you know, they're off target because they're just enjoying being high.

00:58:29.240 Also, even if this altered state is letting them access something, it's also letting in a lot of noise.

00:58:39.340 And it can be hard to discern the signal from the noise.

00:58:42.800 And so psychedelic experiments to enhance psychic function and so forth, they really didn't lead to anything because of those two issues.

00:58:53.300 It's too chaotic.

00:58:54.220 Yeah.

00:58:54.520 Yeah.

00:58:54.960 I can see how that's possible.

00:58:56.000 How about fasting?

00:58:59.240 It seems like fasting is also a tool that's been used biblically and throughout time to kind of do what you're talking about.

00:59:06.680 Yeah.

00:59:07.180 So fasting does, it can affect consciousness.

00:59:11.020 Actually, I do fasting myself.

00:59:12.960 I do intermittent fasting.

00:59:14.120 I only have a two-hour eating window every day.

00:59:17.740 But I've never had visions like that.

00:59:20.600 But I do know that fasting is at least associated with having visions in some contexts.

00:59:28.400 For example, there's an early Christian write-in called the Ascension of Isaiah.

00:59:33.500 It was written apparently in the year A.D.

00:59:37.000 67.

00:59:37.400 And the way we know that is it mentions the death of Peter, which happened in A.D. 65 or 66, but it does not mention the death of Nero.

00:59:48.620 He committed suicide in 68.

00:59:50.220 So this appears to have been written between the death of Peter and the suicide of Nero.

00:59:54.960 That would make it 67.

00:59:57.320 And it's set 800 years earlier during the lifetime of the prophet Isaiah.

01:00:03.500 So it's not really written by Isaiah.

01:00:05.500 It's really a Christian document.

01:00:06.840 But it's set in Isaiah's time.

01:00:09.120 And one of the things that the figure of Isaiah does in the book to prepare for visions is fast.

01:00:16.200 Now, it could be that if you fast long enough and strictly enough, that that's going to help with the detachment that you need from ordinary worldly life to have an expanded awareness of things.

01:00:32.600 It also, though, could be a sign of religious devotion, that you're denying yourself in order to make a stronger connection with God and ask God to give you a vision.

01:00:45.460 So it could, to the extent fasting gets associated with things like visions or precognition or whatever, it could be because of a natural effect, or it could be because of a spiritual effect,

01:00:57.780 where you're, you're doing an act of devotion to reach out to God, and then God chooses to reward that by giving you a vision.

01:01:06.820 I want to kind of take this in a bit of a strange direction, and this might not yield any fruit.

01:01:13.740 Every time, every episode.

01:01:15.360 Every time I can't help it.

01:01:16.840 So there's actually something that, that is concerning that I've heard, and I, and I hope that it's not true.

01:01:24.200 But when it comes to these sort of like New Age teachings and things of that nature, oftentimes, there's a lot of, how would you put it, detail to these things.

01:01:35.140 And so one suspects that the idea at least came from somewhere.

01:01:41.440 And this is kind of a twofold thing.

01:01:42.860 So the first one is that there's this concept that when you die and you're entering this, this light that, you know, many people do describe,

01:01:52.200 that this is actually an attempt by something called the Archons, if I'm not mistaken, to trap you in this karmic loop of, of rebirth.

01:02:05.900 That, that there's this cycle that we're trapped in.

01:02:08.760 And one of the things that makes that a little compelling is that you do come across these, in some cases, rather shocking descriptions, sometimes even by children, of their past lives.

01:02:24.020 Which is something that, as I'm, as I'm looking at the world through a Christian lens, through a biblical lens, becomes a little bit difficult to, to define.

01:02:35.260 And so I take that, this, you know, anecdotally, you'll have a child who goes on for an extended period of time at a shockingly young age about a family that existed before.

01:02:47.440 And let's say one that I'm aware of, a descriptive of, of dying in the ocean, but having a dog, having a sister.

01:02:56.280 This is the James Leninger case.

01:02:57.320 Right. And I don't know necessarily that that one is, it just sticks out to me, but there's, there's a lot, you know, arguably what is a lot, but there are more that go along with that one.

01:03:09.140 And then, you know, lo and behold, they end up investigating because it's such a, a constant in the child's life that they feel the need to kind of put it to rest.

01:03:17.900 And so they find through one means or another that, well, there actually was a family that lived in this location that did have a little boy that did perish, you know, in the water that did have this sister, that dog.

01:03:31.860 And, and then, you know, you kind of hear those things and you go, wow, I don't know what to do with that.

01:03:38.740 I find it fascinating, but it's, you, you know, unless you're a, a parapsychology investigator, if you're just an average person, you hit a wall as far as the investigation goes and there's nothing else to do there.

01:03:51.560 And so, like I said, I just got to put those things in my back pocket.

01:03:54.820 I wonder if in your studies, you've come across that or what you make of it.

01:03:57.940 Well, so it, that is part of survival research and I've done a lot of survival research, including on what are called cases of the reincarnation type.

01:04:10.400 So the word type there is importance.

01:04:12.920 We're not saying this is reincarnation, but it's suggestive of reincarnation.

01:04:17.240 And so cases of the reincarnation type, C-O-R-T or court, is something I've actually looked at a lot.

01:04:24.400 I've read numerous books on the subject.

01:04:26.220 I did a two-part look at them on Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World, where in part one, I survey what current reincarnation research has come up with.

01:04:36.660 And then in part two, I look at potential explanations for it.

01:04:40.060 I'll give you a brief answer now about the archons and stuff, strictly from the faith perspective.

01:04:46.200 But if you'd like to talk about this more, why don't you all have me on again and we can talk reincarnation because it's a whole other big subject.

01:04:52.660 I have your YouTube page pulled up here and one of the first things is like, was Bigfoot on Noah's Ark?

01:04:57.540 And I'm like, I want to talk about this too, man.

01:05:01.200 We're going to be dragging you back on.

01:05:03.640 We're going to be dragging you back on.

01:05:06.160 In the case of Bigfoot, was Bigfoot on Noah's Ark?

01:05:08.820 That was a question someone posed to me and I don't have a huge amount to say about that.

01:05:13.060 But it's a fun question, though.

01:05:15.120 But it's a fun question, yeah.

01:05:17.980 In terms of the scenario you sketch, now I'm going to have to, I think, from two perspectives.

01:05:24.240 The reason perspective, which is what would science tell us about this, and the faith perspective.

01:05:29.380 And so I'm going to skip over the reason perspective now, and we can talk about that in the future.

01:05:34.720 But from the faith perspective, so Hebrews tells us that, well, okay, the consistent message of the New Testament is what happened to Jesus is going to happen to us.

01:05:47.040 He did not reincarnate.

01:05:48.940 He was resurrected.

01:05:50.700 That's what's going to happen to us.

01:05:52.500 We're going to resurrect.

01:05:54.320 He's the first fruits of the resurrection.

01:05:56.500 We're the harvest of the resurrection.

01:05:59.040 And that's been the belief of Christians consistently down through history.

01:06:02.700 There's never been a major deviation on that.

01:06:05.300 The only people who have talked about reincarnation were like Gnostic heretics, and they're really a separate religion.

01:06:11.320 They're not really Christian. 0.93

01:06:12.400 They just have some Christian elements.

01:06:14.080 Kind of like Islam is a separate religion, but it's got some Christian elements in it.

01:06:20.140 Okay, so that's the basic message of Christianity.

01:06:24.440 But could—now, the archons that you mentioned, that's a concept from Gnosticism.

01:06:32.700 The Gnostics believed that there were these various spiritual emanations from an unknowable ultimate god that ruled things in creation, and they're called the archons.

01:06:46.260 So I would say from a Christian faith perspective, what evidence do we have that there even are any archons?

01:06:52.820 You know, they're not in the Orthodox tradition of the Church Fathers.

01:06:59.460 This is really a concept that's being imported from another religion.

01:07:02.840 So even supposing, though—I mean, maybe it's not archons.

01:07:09.440 Maybe it's demons.

01:07:12.240 You know, could demons be trying to trap us in reincarnation?

01:07:15.940 Well, the book of Hebrews, in chapter 10, says it is appointed for man once to die, and then comes the judgment.

01:07:27.040 And so—and he's clearly responding to, like, Greco-Roman beliefs in reincarnation, you know, because there were people in the ancient Greco-Roman world who did believe in reincarnation.

01:07:37.800 And he's saying, that's not the way it is.

01:07:39.660 It is appointed for man once to die, and then comes the judgment.

01:07:43.780 So that's the rule.

01:07:46.680 That's the principle.

01:07:49.720 Now, going out on a limb, well, can there be exceptions to the rule?

01:07:54.320 Well, okay, let's look at that once-to-die part.

01:07:58.760 Did anybody ever not die?

01:08:02.500 Well, Enoch and Elijah didn't die.

01:08:04.320 Yeah, a few people.

01:08:05.460 Yeah, so a few people.

01:08:06.680 Did anyone die more than once?

01:08:09.380 Well, maybe Lazarus and the widow of Nain's son and Jairus' daughter and people like that.

01:08:16.000 So, yeah, it looks like there's a few exceptions to the first part of the rule.

01:08:20.500 And if there are a few exceptions to the first part of the rule, hypothetically, there could maybe be others.

01:08:29.840 But if so, and even that's wildly speculative, they've got to be a tiny minority.

01:08:37.420 The rule is that it is appointed for man once to die, and then comes the judgment, no reincarnation.

01:08:47.600 Now, speaking from a faith perspective, so I would look at the proposal that there are archons or demons or whatever who are trying to trap us into a cycle of reincarnation very skeptically as a result.

01:09:05.680 I, that's something, frankly, I wouldn't be worried about.

01:09:11.160 I, you know, I don't, the state of your soul is when you die, you're either in God's friendship or you're not.

01:09:19.680 If you're not in God's friendship, a demon is not going to try to get you to go back so you can have another chance.

01:09:25.800 And if you're in God's friendship, then God's going to protect you.

01:09:30.960 You know, Jesus talks about in his parable of Lazarus and the rich man, he talks about when Lazarus, who's in one of God's friends, when he dies, the angels come and escort him to Abraham's bosom.

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01:10:29.360 And that parallels what we see in deathbed visions and near-death experiences where people say, oh yeah, angels or departed loved ones.

01:10:39.540 You know, they came, they had all this peace, and they led me or were leading me into the good place in the afterlife.

01:10:46.000 And so I would look at the Archon theory very skeptically from the faith perspective.

01:10:53.280 I also, from the reason perspective, I would say, what evidence do we have that this is what's happening, as opposed to just a story that someone has come up with?

01:11:03.960 And if someone has evidence for it, I'd be happy to consider it from the reason perspective.

01:11:08.840 I just have not seen evidence for it.

01:11:11.940 It sounds like speculation to me.

01:11:13.740 But if it were to happen, you would consider it maybe an aberration of that minority that you talked about earlier.

01:11:21.020 So let's say, hypothetically, it was proven that this young boy did have this experience, or any of these number of people who have this testimony to share.

01:11:29.000 Then these might fit into the same category as maybe a Lazarus or something of that nature.

01:11:33.780 Well, hypothetically, but I don't know that we need to go even that far, because there are other explanations for why one person can have another person's memories besides I used to be that person.

01:11:47.780 There are, and just to preview a little bit what we can talk about in the future, I classify the different theories about what could explain cases of the reincarnation type into three groups.

01:12:01.380 They're what are called, they're soul theories, residue theories, and psychic theories.

01:12:09.520 And soul theories are like what you find in Hinduism. 0.84

01:12:13.460 In Hinduism, they believe that you have a soul, they call it an Atman, and your Atman, or soul, passes from one body to another over a course of different lives.

01:12:24.020 So that's the Hindu view.

01:12:25.660 And it's only in that view that what we think of as reincarnation occurs.

01:12:32.880 Then there are residue theories, where something less than a full person makes the jump from one life to another.

01:12:41.680 And this is what you have in classical Buddhism.

01:12:45.040 Buddhism has a doctrine they call Anatman.

01:12:48.620 It means no Atman. 0.99

01:12:50.080 There is no stable soul that a person has that could move from one life to another.

01:12:56.460 So in Buddhism, classically, they compare reincarnation to one candle lighting another candle.

01:13:02.860 As one candle is burning out, it can transmit something to another candle that causes it to start glowing.

01:13:10.160 But they're two separate candles.

01:13:12.500 They're not the same candle.

01:13:13.520 It sounds like Buddhism had a handle on the NPC theory before the West came up with that idea, right?

01:13:23.560 Or at least modern-day culture.

01:13:25.580 That's fascinating.

01:13:26.900 Yeah.

01:13:27.540 So the thing about—now, there is a variety of different perspectives within Buddhism, and some of them are more survivalistic.

01:13:35.340 They would have something at least more like a soul theory.

01:13:38.380 But classically, Buddhism would say it's like one candlelight in another.

01:13:42.480 So there's something that passes between people that would include these memories, but it's not a full person.

01:13:48.180 Hey, Jimmy, on that—

01:13:48.600 It's just some kind of residue.

01:13:50.280 On that, as David's talking about the NPC theory, it's something that I floated out there as like a joke, just on Twitter kind of, you know, having fun.

01:13:58.660 That there are some NPCs around, non-player characters around us?

01:14:01.540 Not just some, but I mean, when you're walking around in like Walmart, and you're like, are these people have soul—like, are these people—do they have that spark in them? 0.98

01:14:12.000 And I know it's kind of like demeaning what God can create, but I'm like, there's a lot of damn people around us.

01:14:17.440 How many of them are actually like functioning awake, have that—it's a great analogy, that little spark that's been passed on from one thing to the next. 0.74

01:14:25.920 Are there a finite amount of souls in this realm?

01:14:28.540 Or maybe it's not necessarily that.

01:14:30.880 Maybe you can almost incapacitate the function of someone's soul by giving them so much stimulation, right?

01:14:38.260 Yeah, you put them on drugs, you give them a million and a half different things to pay attention to, stimulation, stimulation shows, your phone, things of that nature.

01:14:45.680 Can you effectively kind of make them formant?

01:14:50.040 Yeah, dull the flame.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

01:14:53.040 Interesting idea.

01:14:53.980 Yeah, it—aspects of that touch on what's actually a debate in philosophy.

01:15:00.180 That's what my academic training is in, is in philosophy.

01:15:03.240 And there's a debate over what are called philosophical zombies.

01:15:06.460 The idea of a philosophical zombie is it looks like a person, it behaves like a person, exactly like a person, but it has no consciousness.

01:15:18.460 It just has a glazed look over its eyes.

01:15:20.020 No, it doesn't have a glazed look.

01:15:21.780 It responds exactly the way you expect a person to respond.

01:15:25.260 It's just there's nothing going on in its head.

01:15:27.560 You know what's funny?

01:15:28.200 All this precognition stuff.

01:15:30.520 So with the near-death experiences, you've got Stephen King books like The Shining and Dr. Sleep where this guy, he knows something because he's writing directly about a lot of these features of life.

01:15:42.780 And with this sort of thing—oh man, I just lost my thought.

01:15:47.000 We were saying the NPCs and the philosophical zombies?

01:15:51.020 Yes, so the philosophical zombies, there was like maybe 10 years ago, very popular movement throughout the culture with zombies.

01:15:57.900 You couldn't get enough of zombies.

01:15:59.440 Zombie walks.

01:16:00.440 And then it just goes away, right?

01:16:02.000 They had World War Z, Walking Dead, all this stuff.

01:16:04.020 Took over the culture and then gone. 0.97

01:16:05.560 But it kind of puts it in the zeitgeist so everyone's thinking about this idea of a zombie.

01:16:09.820 Is it a lab-created thing or is this actually what's happening?

01:16:14.420 I have a two-part look at zombies on Mysterious World and I'm here to tell you zombies are real.

01:16:21.740 My new favorite podcast.

01:16:25.960 That was amazing.

01:16:27.120 All right.

01:16:27.360 Why are they—this is incredible.

01:16:28.900 Let's go.

01:16:29.500 No, okay.

01:16:30.280 So, well, first of all, let me touch on that third theory that could explain cases of the reincarnation type, psychic theories.

01:16:36.620 Okay.

01:16:36.920 If psychic functioning exists, then all you need is a link between a person in the present and a person in the past.

01:16:45.260 And all the memories could travel through that link.

01:16:48.820 So there are multiple other—and I think there are reasons to propose that as a theory.

01:16:54.240 But that's the third theory.

01:16:56.520 So notice only on that first theory, the soul theory, would actual reincarnation occur.

01:17:04.080 On the residue theory, some kind of residue might pass from one person to another, but it's not an actual soul.

01:17:09.420 And on the psychic link theory, information passes between one person and another.

01:17:13.960 But that's it.

01:17:15.020 On the residue theory, that's fascinating because I wonder if that fragment of a person or a fragment of a soul could pass down multiple times.

01:17:25.140 Potentially.

01:17:25.580 If there was a historical figure, let's say, because you get a lot of people that are like, I'm the—I have the memories of, you know, name, you know, historical figure.

01:17:33.520 And it's like, well, maybe you're not.

01:17:35.680 But maybe there is some—

01:17:36.680 Does the residue stank?

01:17:37.300 Does it have a stank?

01:17:38.080 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:38.780 One of the things I wanted to touch on, too, before we go back into the zombies, we brought up—so you brought up the archons, and you're like, well, there's no really, like, biblical precedent or historical precedent for the archons.

01:17:49.260 It comes from a different religion.

01:17:50.920 The gods that Hindus observe and worship in some cases, they are also not biblical, but they are there.

01:17:58.760 And then if we want to think about the Atlanteans or the Greek pantheon, what we've been thinking and hypothesizing on the show is that a lot of these entities are—they overlap.

01:18:11.860 They're kind of the same thing, renamed, slightly different.

01:18:15.320 And then, you know, you'll read the Book of Enoch.

01:18:16.940 And in the Book of Enoch, there's a lot of good information, but it's not in the Bible for a reason because it was—it's not written by God, inspired by God.

01:18:25.320 It's written by fallen angels, inspired by fallen angels in a way, so you're getting information.

01:18:30.600 Yes, it's—yeah, it's the—it's the historical—

01:18:33.320 How do you—how do you—well, okay, I mean, it obviously talks about fallen angels.

01:18:38.020 Yeah.

01:18:38.200 Is it Enoch's telling?

01:18:40.540 Yeah.

01:18:41.260 Well, okay, so the modern scholarly view is that it was—it's actually about six different books that got stitched together, and they were all written between 200, 300 B.C. and A.D. 70.

01:18:55.320 was, you know, the latest possible for one of the books.

01:19:01.320 And so none of them were actually written by Enoch.

01:19:05.860 But there are people who think it is in the Bible.

01:19:11.260 If you're in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, they've got it in their Bible.

01:19:16.900 Other Christians don't. 0.99

01:19:18.560 But the Ethiopian Orthodox do have it in their Bible.

01:19:21.340 The reason I say that, it seems like a lot of angel worship when you read this book.

01:19:25.780 It seems like they're glorifying the abilities of these angels, and it just doesn't sit right with me.

01:19:30.720 So I'm weary when I read it as to what information is true and what is not.

01:19:35.720 Well, I think that's good.

01:19:38.180 I think we should not—and I've got a two-parter coming up on the book of Enoch.

01:19:42.980 I think we need to be careful about reading it and how we process different pieces of information in it.

01:19:51.200 But I'd hesitate to just say the book was written by fallen angels because Jude quotes it.

01:19:57.440 He says, as Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, and then he's got a quotation.

01:20:03.400 So that's a positive endorsement of this book.

01:20:05.980 It may not make it biblical.

01:20:07.220 But that's a positive statement in the book of Jude.

01:20:11.200 Okay, in the book of Jude, okay.

01:20:12.280 What I mean is when you read the book, it just seems like there's testimony from like,

01:20:17.080 Enoch is telling you what he's being told from one side.

01:20:20.080 Then he goes to God, and then he's saying this.

01:20:22.040 So it's like part of the—not all of this is coming from God.

01:20:26.100 And also, who's really writing this?

01:20:28.240 I'm just not quite sure where to put it.

01:20:30.200 So I don't put it anywhere.

01:20:32.600 I just kind of leave it on the shelf, and I refer to it here and there when it might suit me.

01:20:37.700 Okay.

01:20:38.900 Yeah.

01:20:40.220 I don't know that I see the angel worship in it that you do, but I'd have to review it.

01:20:46.880 This idea that like in the beginning of the book of Enoch, it says that this book was meant for the tribulation generation. 0.98

01:20:51.520 And then I believe the book of Enoch was found with the Dead Sea Scrolls in like the 40s, maybe something like that.

01:21:00.220 Do you look at that and entertain the idea that we might be in the tribulation generation and that the book was meant to be found?

01:21:10.800 I don't think that Enoch provides—I don't think that Enoch provides us with evidence for that, because Enoch, we've had it for the last 2,000 years.

01:21:25.040 In the Ethiopian, by the way.

01:21:26.240 In the Ethiopian tradition, yeah.

01:21:27.780 Yeah, and its greatest period of popularity was around the time of Jesus.

01:21:35.860 And if you think about how a lot of Jewish people looked at the world then, they thought they were in the end times. 0.97

01:21:43.060 You know, we've got the Romans, there's going to be this great war between the sons of light and the sons of darkness, and the Messiah is going to come in and he's going to kick butt. 0.96

01:21:50.240 And then we'll have this wonderful new world in the Messianic Age, because they had a political understanding of what the Messiah was going to be and do, rather than a spiritual understanding of the Messiah.

01:22:02.440 So I think the natural way to read, you know, like this is for the last generation type stuff, is in those terms.

01:22:10.620 Okay.

01:22:10.880 So I don't think we could use its modern—because even today, the vast majority of people have never heard of the Book of Enoch, even in Christian circles.

01:22:23.520 It's really a niche thing, so I don't think we could look at its little flower and of popularity right now as a sign that we're in the end.

01:22:32.000 What are your thoughts on the little season?

01:22:35.520 Have you heard about this?

01:22:36.420 I've heard of it, but why don't you explain your understanding of it to me?

01:22:42.080 David, take it away.

01:22:43.620 So we spoke to—I think it was Paul of Understanding Conspiracy and JT Follows JC, both of them excellent content creators, doing very much the same thing, probably to a higher degree than what we do, looking at the world through the biblical lens.

01:22:57.360 But one of the things that they suggested was that the Millennial Kingdom has already happened, and what we are currently in is the Satan's small season.

01:23:06.900 And they gave some pretty compelling, interesting, you know, supportive pieces to help kind of paint that idea.

01:23:14.060 And one of them was that this erection recently of Tartaria—I'm sure you're familiar with it to some degree, right?

01:23:21.100 Tartaria is like this—it kind of took the conspiracy realm by storm, maybe over the past, like, four to five years.

01:23:29.780 And it's this remnants of ancient architecture that was mostly covered up by a mud flood.

01:23:36.380 And long story short, people are suggesting that a great deal of our history has been erased, and there was a sprawling empire called Tartaria that started off in, like, Eastern Asia, I believe, and ended up all the way to the Americas.

01:23:51.080 But that what they're suggesting—you know, I don't think it's something that they would say definitively they hold to be true—but what they're suggesting is that Tartaria is actually remnants of Christ's Millennial Kingdom.

01:24:04.620 And there was a lot of other things to go along with that, but one of the things that also paired with it was this idea that if you look around through a kind of conspiratorial lens, you might see things that suggest that the elites, as they were, are manufacturing End Times prophecy in one way or another.

01:24:25.640 They're showing you this one thing, and it suddenly looks like End Times prophecy is coming true.

01:24:29.480 Another thing happens on the world stage.

01:24:31.540 And I'm not saying anecdotally, like we just mentioned a moment ago, about how all people throughout history thought they were in the End Times.

01:24:38.980 It's like, you know, you have the red heifer situation.

01:24:42.240 Well, the ways in which they manufacture that is there's actually a ranch out in Texas that is trying to genetically modify the perfect red heifer.

01:24:49.700 And, you know, there's a bunch of different, once again, anecdotal ways that you could suggest that they're doing this.

01:24:54.460 But if they are doing this, then it might be, and it's a very sexy theory.

01:24:59.800 I like it.

01:25:00.300 I enjoy it very much.

01:25:01.180 Very sexy.

01:25:01.840 Very sexy theory.

01:25:02.800 I like it.

01:25:03.420 I like a good theory.

01:25:04.240 Is that they're manufacturing End Times prophecy to obfuscate where we are in the biblical timeline.

01:25:11.280 And there is also this notion that somewhere along our history, we gained, I believe it is we gained and or lost, we gained or lost a thousand years.

01:25:21.720 And they had some pretty interesting evidence to back that up as well.

01:25:24.820 I don't know that I did it justice, but it was a very cool episode.

01:25:31.140 Are you familiar at all with this idea?

01:25:32.740 Satan's small season, I think, is probably more accurately what it's called.

01:25:36.360 I'm familiar with aspects of what you just mentioned.

01:25:40.900 And I'll give you my impression on those, but I know we only have a few minutes left, so I'll be very brief.

01:25:45.820 In terms of the entire scenario that you just sketched.

01:25:51.000 It's a big messy scenario.

01:25:53.040 All that stuff.

01:25:53.680 I think it is not supported by the evidence.

01:25:57.700 Like, we're not missing several centuries.

01:26:01.040 There are ways to show that through what are known historically, through what are known as synchronisms, where you can show this person lived at the same time as that person, and they lived at the same time as this person.

01:26:10.800 You can, with hundreds and thousands of synchronisms, you can show there's no missing gap.

01:26:16.800 There's no big gap.

01:26:17.760 There's no big jump.

01:26:18.420 Having said that, if we take away these elements in this lost civilization and things like that, and say, could the millennium have already happened, and could we be in the little period where Satan gets unleashed before the second coming?

01:26:37.440 I would say, yeah.

01:27:07.440 But it says in Revelation 20 that during the millennium, which is symbolic for a long period

01:27:13.940 of time, the devil will be bound in such a way that he can no longer deceive the nations.

01:27:19.180 Okay.

01:27:20.140 That's now.

01:27:20.940 So, Christ is reigning in heaven right now, and through his church on earth, and the devil has been bound in such a way that we are in a vastly different situation now than in the first century, where Christians were a teeny, teeny, tiny little minority of just a few hundred or thousand people.

01:27:37.900 Today, two billion people, a third of the global population are Christian, and half of the global population worships the God of Abraham.

01:27:47.300 The devil has been bound in such a way that he has not been able to stop the proclamation of the gospel.

01:27:54.500 So I would say the historic Christian view that we're living in the millennium right now, that's true. 0.99

01:28:00.200 But then we have to face the question of, well, could it have just ended, or could we be right at the end of it?

01:28:07.300 Well, there are certainly disturbing trends in the world.

01:28:09.840 On the other hand, if you study history, there have been disturbing trends everywhere.

01:28:13.960 It's true.

01:28:14.980 And we got a thousand, so I'll give you two pieces of evidence that point in opposite directions.

01:28:20.500 One piece of evidence is that a third of the global population is still Christian.

01:28:27.740 You know, it doesn't sound like we haven't had this massive fallen away where the church is persecuted almost to the point of death.

01:28:35.020 So that would suggest that, you know, it's still farther in the second coming, is still farther in the future.

01:28:41.800 On the other hand, related to that, the prophecy from Romans 9 to 11 of the Jewish people are going to convert.

01:28:49.580 That doesn't look like that's happened either.

01:28:51.560 So that would suggest it's again in the future.

01:28:54.400 On the other hand, Israel did just get its land back. 0.69

01:28:59.400 And that, I have a hard time saying that's by accident.

01:29:03.520 And so that's something that could suggest, even if it's still in the future, the second coming is still in the future away, it could be closer.

01:29:10.520 I mean, it's always getting closer, but it could be a bit closer than you might otherwise think.

01:29:15.320 So I'm agnostic on when the second coming is, but those are some of the parameters that I bring to bear in considering the question.

01:29:24.400 It's a fine question.

01:29:26.220 You can talk for another hour about just Israel getting their land back in and how it's done in such a way. 0.94

01:29:33.500 And also what are Jews, like who are the Jews?

01:29:36.940 Revelation 3, 9, I believe it's like they say that they are, but there's a lot going on here.

01:29:43.260 And it's all smoke and mirrors at this point.

01:29:45.960 I'm waiting for the dust to settle to see a little bit more clearly about what exactly is going on.

01:29:51.240 But we like to entertain some kind of crazy theory sometimes.

01:29:55.360 Every Friday, I wanted to mention Ed Mabry.

01:29:58.160 We do a series on the book of Revelation and we go chapter by chapter and we let him break it down for us and tell him what he thinks.

01:30:05.220 He has some unique views on it.

01:30:06.480 Very interesting guy.

01:30:08.560 So if I thought we were in the little season, I wouldn't bother doing that on Friday because I think we, you know, it's still good to read this book as if we are in possibly the end time generation.

01:30:20.560 And look, look for the signs to come of things, but especially because it's one of the most contested, not contested, but like, I guess, argued over books in the Bible, right?

01:30:31.480 Where everybody's got a bunch of different theories.

01:30:33.600 So I think it's fascinating every time we talk to him, you know, and we get to learn a little bit more from a bunch of different perspectives.

01:30:40.040 So, you know, I enjoy doing the series, but I do feel like this, this episode, Jimmy, we barely scratched the surface.

01:30:46.720 It's very clear, guys, for the listeners out there, I highly recommend going and checking out Jimmy's page because as soon as you scroll just through the thumbnails alone, I struggle to know which one, which topic I want to have you back for first.

01:31:02.320 Because there's so much going on.

01:31:03.800 This thumbnail here, I'll just pull up your page, but I got to step up my thumbnail game and it's not even like making it, like doing crazy stuff.

01:31:13.580 But this one right here, he's wrong, just pointed to his face.

01:31:16.040 It's like, dude, I'm going to watch that video right now.

01:31:18.580 Like, what's, who's making these, Jimmy?

01:31:19.980 Are you making your own thumbnails, Jimmy?

01:31:21.540 I am, yes.

01:31:23.040 Crushing it.

01:31:23.740 Well, most of them.

01:31:25.260 I'm not making the mysterious world thumbnails, but I'm making all the others.

01:31:28.380 Look at that.

01:31:28.920 Skinwalker Ranch, Bigfoot on the Ark, our aliens, demons.

01:31:32.220 I mean, you're hitting all the sweet spots, all the interesting things.

01:31:36.100 Demon in the AI.

01:31:37.340 Oh, God, top.

01:31:38.480 That's my stuff right there.

01:31:39.500 That's top stuff right there.

01:31:40.520 We got to have you back on, Jimmy.

01:31:41.860 We, uh, hopefully this, this, uh, at least, at least, uh, convince you to like us a little

01:31:47.600 bit and have to come back on the show.

01:31:49.520 Oh, yeah.

01:31:50.300 Happy to come back.

01:31:51.780 Excellent.

01:31:52.280 Excellent.

01:31:52.840 Um, okay.

01:31:53.540 So I guess then one more time, Jimmy, cause I know we got to wrap it up.

01:31:56.520 Let everybody know, uh, where they can find your work.

01:31:58.940 Okay.

01:31:59.620 So I work for an organization called Catholic Answers.

01:32:02.560 That's, uh, catholic.com is our website because we thought ahead back in the 1990s.

01:32:06.640 Wow, you guys got catholic.com?

01:32:09.320 Incredible.

01:32:09.720 Incredible.

01:32:10.880 And my personal website is jimmyakin.com.

01:32:14.420 My YouTube site is youtube.com slash jimmyakin.

01:32:18.760 You can go over there right now, check out some of these videos.

01:32:21.700 Be sure to like, comment, and subscribe.

01:32:24.700 And, um, uh, all you got to do to get there or to my personal website, jimmyakin.com is spell

01:32:32.540 my name correctly.

01:32:33.320 Why don't you leave that up for a second?

01:32:34.580 As you can see, Aiken, if you scroll up, Aiken is so easy.

01:32:40.840 It is just like it sounds.

01:32:43.240 It sounds like you've run into problems with this before, Jimmy.

01:32:45.720 Yeah.

01:32:46.200 A-K-I-N. 1.00

01:32:49.060 There are no E's, T's, or S's in my name.

01:32:54.120 I want to put that in there so bad.

01:32:55.620 Yeah, so, so, uh, jimmyakin.com or youtube.com slash jimmyakin.

01:33:02.680 Excellent.

01:33:03.000 All right, man.

01:33:03.600 Yeah, and, uh, I guess you're on Twitter as well.

01:33:05.420 Go follow him there.

01:33:06.360 Uh, thank you, Jimmy, for taking the time and, uh, just dropping some more knowledge on

01:33:11.700 us.

01:33:12.000 We have a lot to think about.

01:33:13.140 We have to go back to the drawing board because some, this is what happens.

01:33:16.160 Some of our, some of our theories are now, uh, moot.

01:33:19.680 So now we have to go and let those die and figure out what we're doing here again.

01:33:25.660 That's what happens to all of us.

01:33:27.620 Yeah.

01:33:28.280 Over and over again. 1.00

01:33:29.320 It's a constant shedding of all the stupid things we thought were true. 1.00

01:33:32.580 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:34.120 That's life.

01:33:34.900 But all right.

01:33:35.220 It's better than the alternative.

01:33:37.040 Yeah.

01:33:37.300 It's better than believing a bunch of stuff and holding onto it.

01:33:39.520 Like it's part of your identity.

01:33:41.360 Uh, exactly.

01:33:42.180 I've learned, learned very early to, uh, like your, your ideas are not you.

01:33:47.360 These are just things that you're compiling on your journey here.

01:33:50.940 And when you find out that they don't suit you anymore, I put them down nicely.

01:33:54.900 Libertarianism.

01:33:55.360 I'll put that down nicely.

01:33:56.240 But I remember the lessons that I learned from it and I continue on my journey.

01:34:00.060 And yeah, you know, if you, uh, if, if the name of the game truly is seeking the truth,

01:34:05.060 then, uh, much like myself, you're going to be wrong a lot along the way, uh, trying to

01:34:10.880 find out what the truth is.

01:34:12.000 And so, uh, but it's part of a learning experience.

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01:34:32.960 Jesus.

01:34:33.460 I thought I had, I said it, I said it so like, uh, confidently Jimmy Akin.

01:34:39.120 I said it like I knew I had it.

01:34:40.760 I knew I had it.

01:34:41.440 Confidence is a good thing.

01:34:42.520 Except for when you're confident and you're wrong, uh, and you're wrong.

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01:35:00.700 Uh, all right.

01:35:01.580 Thank you, Jimmy.

01:35:02.320 I really appreciate your time.

01:35:03.860 Uh, and I can't wait to have you back on.

01:35:05.500 We'll certainly be in touch.

01:35:06.760 My pleasure.

01:35:07.280 Thanks, guys.

01:35:08.340 All right.

01:35:08.940 See you later, guys.

01:35:09.660 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:35:15.900 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:35:19.660 You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:35:24.780 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

01:35:32.860 And they have.

01:35:33.520 See you later.

01:35:59.020 Bye.

01:35:59.200 Bye.

01:35:59.300 Bye.

01:35:59.580 Bye.

01:36:00.280 Bye.

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Nephilim Death Squad - August 13, 2025

TIME CAPSULE： Near Death Experiences w Jimmy Akin

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