TIME CAPSULE： The Shroud of Turin w⧸ Cult of Conspiracy
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On this episode of the podcast, we have a special guest on the show today, a man who has a very unique perspective on the world. He's a man of many talents, but his point of view is that we should all be awake at all times.
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So it was MKUltra, and then they did it on a world stage with the hippie movement.
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It's not surprising that the information age is characterized by a lot of knowledge, but not wisdom.
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The only people that should be transphobic are unattended minors.
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Dick Cheney, Joe Biden, J6, Secret Service, assassination attempt on Trump.
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He's certainly not in that position because she's good at her fucking job.
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We were taught that growing up that they were upset about a 2% T-tax, and they rioted, and whatever.
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So what King George did, he sent in a standing army at peacetime.
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How are you able to be up on an altar guiding people when you within yourself don't even know where you stand?
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There's only a certain amount of years that humans will be subservient to a system before they all start to snap.
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What do you think about the topic of adrenochrome being this, like, secular description of that exactly, of, like, this royal jelly?
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And I said, well, how do you know you're trans?
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And then a few weeks later, there was a school shooting, and the women were upset again.
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And I was like, well, are we killing kids or not?
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You got so roughly fucked by a giant black cock that your anus literally fell out.
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The only food we're getting involved here is the titty milk.
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And when I stand on the mountain and I say, do it, it gets done.
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You've created a Frankenbaby out of, you know, a bunch of different ideas that all contradict each other.
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And, you know, none of them are very well thought out.
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But it's very much like a child's way of throwing a tantrum and a bit of a fit.
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There's no understating the correlation between the increase in technology and the decrease in spirituality.
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We've, like, exponentially went up in technology and people are just completely spiritually retarded.
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We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.
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The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely huge.
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We know we're saying shit what happened to the home of the brave.
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We know we're talking about how they made us try to be slaves.
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Heading to clouds and we're awake until we're dead in the grave.
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.
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That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.
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And today we are joined by two guests in Jonathan and Jacob of the Cult of Conspiracy podcast.
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We have a pretty interesting topic that we're going to get into today.
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But before we do all that, gentlemen, can you please let's start with Jonathan.
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Introduce yourselves a little bit to the people who may not know you and let them know where it is they can find your work and what it is you focus on.
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The name of our podcast is The Cult of Conspiracy.
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We have been going at it for about four years, a little bit over four years now.
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And we are just constantly hammering on not only modern day, you know, kind of conspiracies, but, you know, the old ones that we all know and that we love and stuff like that.
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And maybe maybe old ones that you've never even heard of.
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And so we kind of are very stretched across the board as far as everything that we'll cover.
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We do get into a lot of conspiracies, obviously, but then there's also like spiritual assets that are also brought in.
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And that's really why we decided to come with this topic here, because Jacob and I are very different.
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I never you know, if there's a fucking Armageddon like that's the guy I'm calling.
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But that being said, we have very different philosophies about how we look at faith and just spirituality in general.
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I come from more of what you might call the woo woo and Jacob on the other end, Christian.
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So this topic right here was very fun for us to put together back whenever we first put it together, because he's looking at it from that Christian mindset.
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And I look at it from the the spiritual philosopher, I guess, if you will.
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And so, yeah, I think that's what makes the show, you know, tick is that it's not necessarily an echo chamber.
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It's two different opinions and people coming together.
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And, you know, we usually always end up with the same opinion, though, coming at it from two different areas, either the same opinion, or at least we can appreciate the opposite vantage point from a different perspective.
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So Jonathan being more of the spiritual person, he is a licensed hypnotherapist who specializes in past life regressions and speaking to the higher self.
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Meanwhile, I am a Marine Corps infantry veteran.
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So we come from very different places when we approach any type of conspiracy, whether that be JFK assassination, the 9-11 debacle, or if we're going all the way back to the Sumerian tablets and to the ancient texts and everything in between.
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So I look at things from a very, quote unquote, logical, analytical standpoint.
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Jonathan looks at things from a very esoteric and third eye vantage point.
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But the back and forth itself is kind of what makes this show what it is.
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I got hooked up with Jonathan about six months after the Cult of Conspiracy had launched, and it's pretty much just been all gas, no brakes ever since.
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You know, one thing led to another, and we're rapidly approaching coming up on 600 episodes released.
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I'm kind of stuck on are you a practicing hypnotherapist right now?
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Yeah, it's it's it's hypnotherapy, but it's past life regressions.
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And so if anybody's ever heard of Dolores Cannon, she developed this this thing called QHHT, which stands for quantum healing hypnosis therapy.
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And it guides people to a past life through hypnosis.
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And then afterward, you know, typically people will, you know, give me some questions that they would like me to ask their higher self after the past life.
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And those questions, I mean, you're talking about questions that people would want to ask the universe, ask God, ask spirit guides or whatever.
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And so obviously it's unthinkable, it's unknowable information that that you're searching for.
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And what's great about it is, is that you're you're getting those answers, but they're coming out of your mouth.
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You can call it, you know, just conversations with your higher self or your highest self or whatever the highest ascended version of you or whatever is.
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And as a matter of fact, I actually hypnotized Jacob about a year ago, somebody who doesn't even believe in reincarnation outside of one person and doesn't believe in past lives.
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And all the questions that he had asked were all the things that I could see that.
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Yeah, I can't tell if you can see what's behind me, but I do boo hurt.
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Right. So like cage fighting with steel and swords and shit.
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We're not talking about the shroud of Tehran right now.
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Like, I'm actually the team captain of my local team.
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So we beat the hell out of each other wearing 80 pounds of steel arm and we go completely ham.
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But, but, and me being a Christian who does these things, all of that.
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Jonathan hypnotized me and we have been teasing our cult members, as we call our listeners,
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our cult members for a long time saying, fine, I'll finally do it.
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I'm going to tell you right now, I don't believe in reincarnation.
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I don't believe in past lives, but I also cannot cleanly describe logically what that
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I lived an entire life as a Muslim dude who was fighting alongside the Christians during
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Because you would have had a lot of experiences in a relatively short amount of time.
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He takes Salvia and he ends up going on this trip where he has an entire life underwater.
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Um, and it was so real that when he came out of this experience, there was actually
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like, um, uh, you know, a longing for this family that he had left.
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And I don't know what to do with that information.
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When I hear ideas about reincarnation, um, I'm also a Christian, but I believe that there,
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we, we talked to somebody one time, or maybe it was I who talked to him, uh, who said that
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he had an entity that was a hitchhiker essentially.
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And he had a relationship with this entity and this thing would loose off of his energy.
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And who knows if this story is real or not, but one of the things that I found interesting
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that he said was that there is, uh, a karmic system and there is a reincarnation cycle, but
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Allegedly, this is all just, you know, something secondhand that he has from this entity who
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knows if it's even real, but that, um, because it's not created by God and it's not perfect.
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It's kind of backed up and screwed up in a lot of ways over, over time and over generations.
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And I just thought that was fascinating because there are a lot of instances like what you're
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describing where like, I just don't know where to place it, man.
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I don't know what to do with a little boy who says, this is the house that I lived in.
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And then they all said, they go to his house and they find out, well, yeah, there was a
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And I don't mean to cut you off in the story, but like, no, no, no, are you, are you, you're not
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just putting somebody to sleep, but it's, are you transporting them to another dimension,
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What is, um, I would ask you the same question, but referring to a dream.
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Are you, are you traversing the, the parallel realities that we're living in?
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However, I will say that Dolores Cannon, she is very famous or she was very famous.
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She passed away in 2014, I believe, but she was very famous for having these crazy, like
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So much so that she hypnotized a person and she went back to, well, I don't know if you
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She was basically talking to Nostradamus and was able to get all the information from
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Nostradamus and essentially fill in the gaps that were left open for interpretation of
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And so this kind of crazy shit happens all the time.
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And what's even crazier about that is that not only was she able to hypnotize that person
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to talk to Nostradamus, that person ended up having to move out of state.
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So she wasn't able to get hypnotized by Dolores anymore.
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But what she said was during that last hypnosis with this person who was essentially Nostradamus,
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I guess you could say, is that the next person you hypnotize, you will be able to receive
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The next person that she hypnotized didn't tell this story to, didn't relay that information
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to, was able to get information from Nostradamus to continue on filling in all of the intricacies
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and all the interpretations that were lost and filled them in and created a whole book
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like to be able to better understand Nostradamus's prophecy.
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And also another thing that Nostradamus was saying in this hypnosis was that you're not
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The only thing that is real is the present moment.
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And so everything, whenever you think about the past, it's just a memory.
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Whenever you think about the future, it's just imagining or dreaming what it could be.
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There actually is no proof that the future or the past actually exists in our minds, in
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And that would begin to, I'm sorry to cut you off, but that would begin to beg the question
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of like, was there a time when Nostradamus was, you know, pondering and all of a sudden
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And one of the things he talked about was these ascended masters, right?
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Those alchemists who reached their magnum opus, basically transcending this reality.
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But popping up back again through history, different characters will tell stories about,
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I was pondering this equation or question or philosophical quandary.
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And then all of a sudden, somebody pops through the veil and says, hey, you're on the right
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track, keep it going, and then pops back through.
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And the way they were described or the name that was given was somebody who hasn't been
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But the last known writings about them were that they were an alchemist trying to, you
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And so I just wonder, you know, when it comes to that is like, is there a time?
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I understand this idea that time is not the present moment.
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But this idea that somewhere on that flat disk, Nostradamus was hanging out and then
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all of a sudden had some chick pop through and ask him a couple of questions.
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Well, and on top of that, going back to what you were saying about the angel or whatever
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that created this kind of like reincarnation, possibly like time loop or whatever.
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This is actually something that the Buddhists talk about.
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They talk about ascending beyond that and the idea that you can get out of this reincarnation
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They're trying to get away from that and ascend into heaven or whatever it is.
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And so, yeah, this is something that, you know, it's I mean, it might sound crazy.
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I mean, it's all speculation until we get there.
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I don't think there's nothing wrong with taking it on faith either, I think.
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Let me let me ask you this, because I have I've had this theory.
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I literally my YouTube channel drops a lot of geopolitical news stuff.
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OK, so shit, I kind of like lost my train of thought there.
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So with politics, I look around and I look at the people.
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And when you're looking at this left right dynamic, you're looking at people almost on
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both sides as well, but like like kind of there's like it's not the extremes, but it's
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a corner of it where they are clearly NPC being programmed to do this or do that.
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OK, these people, do they have a soul is what I'm questioning.
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Like if we are in this reincarnation loop, because I'm not I'm a Christian, but I think
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Can I piggyback off of that real quick, just so I think you you're having the same thought
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that I am, which comes from, I believe, the same character who shared that karmic, you
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And one of the other things he said was that there will come a time and, you know, this
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is just the ramblings of a dude who admittedly would would he would say he's a crazy dude.
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You know, he's really there as far as his his facilities, you know, or his faculties,
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And so one of the things he said was that this entity who's been around since before
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the time of Jesus says, like, yeah, reincarnation is real, but there is going to come a time
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where already there's a disproportionate amount of souls to flesh and that there will come
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And what he thinks is when that time comes is when we're really going to see sort of,
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you know, the closing of an age, you know, something apocalyptic in nature.
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But that idea that there's not enough soul to match the amount of flesh that's being
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So why they're like, start killing all the babies like, yeah, we don't have any more souls.
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There's levels and levels of why they started killing all the babies, not just Planned Parenthood.
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You can go all the way back to the Roman society.
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They had a certain plant that was so popular in use for abortions that they actually put
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By the way, I'm a Christian that cusses a lot, y'all.
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I'm yeah, I'm not the type that looks, acts or sounds like one.
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But anyway, that being said, with the reincarnation conversation, I don't know what to make of
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OK, now, yes, I may not personally believe in it.
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However, I would be out of my mind to dismiss all of the near death experiences of profound
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They were pronounced dead for X amount of time and they saw something or these children
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that as soon as they're able to speak, have this vast knowledge about how to fly an airplane
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or some shit and have never stepped foot in a cockpit before.
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What I am willing to acknowledge is that there's way more at play here than what my human brain
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I see the Bible as a source, not an all-encompassing book, start to finish of everything that ever
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It's exactly what we needed to hear for what we need to know.
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With that being said, the past life regression that Jonathan put me through, I don't know
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I can tell you that the closest thing I can make to it is think of a mushroom-induced trip
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with no mushrooms or outside sources or inhibitors whatsoever.
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But as far as having a trippy experience that is real, you smell the smells, you feel the
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All of that is as real to you as what you're seeing before your eyes right now.
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Is that, is Jonathan putting you into a dream state and that's what happens when your imagination
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just goes off the leash and just meanders and this is what comes up?
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That somewhere deep within my recessive DNA came out?
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I thought about next time, maybe taking a little DMT, see what happens.
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I want these experiences to be profound and real and I don't want to be able to chalk it
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up to, oh, well, that's just because I was high.
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No, I want to be able to say for sure, this was Jacob experiencing this for Jacob.
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Look, they've also gotten into, like, if you look at some of the laws of thermodynamics,
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I think it's the third or fourth law of thermodynamics that says that energy can't be created
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So that is, in my opinion, all the scientific proof that you would need to say, all right,
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look, we don't know if we're going to a heaven.
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We don't know if we're going to another realm or another parallel universe or something.
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But something is absolutely happening when we die.
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That whatever you are, the energy that encompasses you goes on.
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It doesn't end when the lights go out in this human avatar.
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And so that's why I love the past life regression stuff.
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And I'm not saying that, like, I absolutely believe that this is what's happening.
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I have hints of things that may want to guide me into believing that.
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You know, like, that in and of itself is kind of a faith-based mentality, which, you know, I think that faith is, you know, it's obviously warranted in a lot of, like, specific spiritual conversations.
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This is something that I was thinking about while you're talking to me about this idea of this past life thing.
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It's like you have these instances of people that get into traumatic head injuries, right?
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And then suddenly they know a different language or they can play piano or they're inexplicably good at mathematics for whatever reason.
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Even though these people, you couldn't argue that there's a genetic, you know, reason.
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It's not like your grandfather was a fantastic mathematician or, you know, was a professional pianist or anything like that.
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Well, you see, the average IQ of a Haitian is 67.
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But, look, the thing that I'm getting at here is, like, okay, if you can have a head injury and suddenly gain access to something that's not in your wheelhouse, right?
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That suggests that you're tapping into something.
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When it comes to these regressive hypnosis things or past life memories, could there be something like the Akashic Records being responsible for it, right?
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This idea that the collective memories and experiences of everything in the universe all goes to one consolidated place, whether it's, you know, in another realm or wherever the case may be.
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But maybe, dependent on how you tune the receiver, tune your brain, you're actually dipping into.
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So maybe you're having very real experiences that actually did happen, whether it's in this reality or another reality or something, you know, people want to get into the multiverse.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean that it was your soul being recycled.
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Really, what happened is you tapped into, and I'm not saying this is just a theory, you tapped into the greater body of experiences of humankind.
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Well, it's not necessarily the induction, but whenever I hypnotize somebody, I do have an induction method.
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He's going to make us fucking get naked on stream.
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And whenever people like to say, oh, I got this information from God.
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I think that it actually might be a little bit more simple than that, strictly based upon what I'm saying in this session.
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So, at the end of the session or at the end of the past life, like I said, I'm trying to guide you to your higher self or your subconscious to be able to answer certain questions that you have that you just can't seem to crack the code to.
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And one of the things that I say is, is that I respect the power of the subconscious or the higher self because I know the subconscious takes care of so-and-so's body and does a very good job of it.
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I also know that the subconscious has all the records of everything that has ever happened to so-and-so in this lifetime and all the other lifetimes that they have ever lived.
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So, I think it's possible that whenever you look at this kind of information and you couple it with the fact that even biblically and a bunch of other religious scripts, they all say that God is within you.
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And if God is everything, then that means that everything is within you.
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And so, I think that it's probably hard to really connect with that at a conscious level.
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But at a subconscious level, there are strands that you can start to pull.
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And maybe this is where people get downloaded information or this is where people will get certain prophecies or whatever that connection to God or the all or the source or the universe, whatever you want to call it.
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It's just that you got to tune the antenna a little bit, you know?
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So, like, when you open up this doorway, how could you be sure of, like, what you're getting through?
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But actually, you're not asking for outside sources.
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When he hypnotizes, you're going introspective.
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Like, there are certain things that you can say whenever you're in meditation or you're trying to perform some kind of ritual or whatever,
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if you believe in that kind of stuff, that there are certain things that you can say and your subconscious mind begins to accept.
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And in my induction method, I have it to where whenever somebody is getting ready to be hypnotized,
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before they are even hypnotized, they are subconsciously understanding the fact that whatever is going on,
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they are in this, like, kind of protective bubble that nothing from the outside could possibly come in.
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And therefore, maybe that suggests that you're not allowing information from any kind of outside source into that bubble,
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that, you know, all the information that you're getting and receiving is strictly from you.
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Now, that's, you know, that's what's in the induction method.
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You can say, all right, well, who's to say that a demon can't poke that bubble and sneak their way through there?
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You mentioned at the top of the show that even though you come from different kind of practices or ideologies,
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And I'm not asking you for specifics, but, like, what do those conclusions often look like?
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Well, an example would be exactly what we're talking about right here as far as the Shroud of Turin of Jesus.
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Although we may have our different understandings and philosophies as to how this was printed
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onto this Shroud, we both believe that it was the actual human living being of Jesus of Nazareth in whatever, 30 A.D.
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When we first looked into the Shroud of Turin, and I'm glad this was an awesome segue to bring in how we do that,
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another example is he and I can both acknowledge what true evil is and what true good is.
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We have no problem being on the same side of that argument and dying on the hill of protecting babies.
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So more often than not, when you go up the chain of shitheads, we actually do end up on the same footing.
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But when it came to the Shroud of Turin, Jonathan reached out to me about this.
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This was back episode 100 and something for he and I.
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And he said, bro, we need to talk about the Shroud of Turin.
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I didn't know the lengths and depths of it that we're going to go over today.
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He's like, dude, like the whole thing, we got to talk about it.
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I'm like, I mean, you don't have to threaten me with a good time, bro.
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I'm all about talking about things I believe in.
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And through this research, he and I both came to a very real understanding that while forgeries may have existed,
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and while there is a camp of thought to say that the Shroud itself is a forgery,
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if this is a forgery, then this is the people who created it somewhere around the 1500s were so smart and so slick at creating a forgery
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that not only did they get blood types right, not only did they get the scourge marks from the beatings right,
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but they got the actual dirt from Jerusalem in 0 AD correct.
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These people were such master forgers in the 1500s that we still can't tell the difference today.
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So beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt, Jonathan and I can fully stand on the firm footing that the Shroud of Torin at one time did,
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in fact, hold the body of Yeshua of Nazareth that we know to be Jesus Christ.
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And by the way, you know, there obviously, I don't know if everybody knows the whole story about, you know,
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whenever he was taken down from the cross and put into the tomb and with the with the shroud or anything.
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That's exactly what I was going to thank you so much for doing that,
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because that's exactly what I was going to recommend for those people who might not know.
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You know, it seems pretty self-explanatory and I've watched some videos and such,
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but I would really appreciate let's lay out what exactly the shroud is.
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And then we can get into what sounds like a little bit of indication for you guys,
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because like we discussed earlier, they came out and they they said that they've dated it back to about 2000 years old.
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So, I mean, you know, great big high five between the two of you.
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So let's let's lay out a little bit of what what is the Shroud of Turin for those who may not know.
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The Shroud of Turin, a shroud or more specifically, a death shroud is a cloth that a person is buried in.
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OK, it's traditionally been used in multiple cultures around the world.
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Do you all remember the scene where when his first wife that he married in secret died,
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they buried her in a secret place and she was wearing some sort of like mesh sheath looking cloth?
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Now, it's a traditional type that was used in Scotland at that time.
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However, there are multiple cultures with traditions of using death shrouds.
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Now, the shroud in question is currently kept in Torino, Italy, and it is in the Piemont region,
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OK, it's in the it is currently hailed in the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy,
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Now, the shroud itself in question, as we look at it, OK,
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let's break down a little bit about how it was made, what's it made of and all these things.
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But for the for the overarching theme of how it came to be, the story goes, Jesus was crucified.
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This is a whip that has nine leather straps connected to the ends or pieces of metal, hooks, bone, whatever you want.
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OK, and he was beaten with this upwards of I want to say it was like 300, 400 times,
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which is crazy because, well, actually, we'll get into the significance of the number of beatings later.
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But anyway, he was beaten within an inch of his life.
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A lot of prisoners died in the process of getting beaten in this manner.
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But then he was made to carry his own cross, the implement of his own murder to the place of called Golgotha,
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the Mount of Skulls, where the Romans did a lot of executions.
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Now, execution by crucifixion is the slowest way to suffocate a human being.
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Still, to this day, there is no other method that comes close.
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The Romans were able to figure this out through a very, very brutal means of trial and error.
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It wasn't like Christianity is the only group that did the crucifixion jam.
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Keep in mind, Spartacus and his whole uprising were crucified by the Roman government when they were finally put down.
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So this was not a regular type of execution, but it was saved for the absolute most heinous and horrible criminals that Rome would come across.
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So we know for a fact that whoever was hailed within the Shroud of Torrin was a crucifixion victim.
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We can see that from the marks through the wrists and through the feet.
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But also, there was only one example of a crown of thorns being placed onto a prisoner's head before their death.
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In the negative of the Shroud of Torrin, we can clearly see those marks as well,
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but I might be getting a little ahead of myself on the Shroud and what we actually see with it.
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The Shroud is made of cheap materials, but is a very rare way that it's put together.
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Okay, now you have your Walmart brand hoodie and you have your name brand hoodie that costs $500.
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They're made out of the same material, but one is more high quality.
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So the Shroud of Torrin was made with inexpensive materials, but in a high quality way.
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It is, the cloth is woven into a three-in-one herringbone twill pattern.
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However, there has recently been another example discovered in a Roman encampment in Egypt.
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They found this whole, I'm not sure if it was like a chest of clothing or what,
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but they found clothing materials in this Roman encampment,
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all having the same three-in-one herringbone twill pattern.
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Rare, but this is yet another historical precedence of the fact that this cloth does date back to the first century AD in Rome.
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This pattern is shown, like I said, in the Hungarian manuscript, as a matter of fact, in 1192.
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Okay, I had a couple of images I wanted to pull up to show historical precedence to this.
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Yeah, you're going to see a tab at the bottom that says present.
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You'll click on that, and then it'll ask you for the tab that you want to share.
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If one of y'all could Google image Hungarian manuscript 1192,
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I promise you'll see the picture that I'm talking about.
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This manuscript also shows these L-shaped burn markings,
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but the fact that it was shown in 1192 is very important
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because there was a fire in the 1500s that has been the subject of a lot of conjecture around the shroud.
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The dimensions are currently 14 foot 6 inches by 3 foot 9 inches,
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but this is after the shroud was steamed and stretched out in 2002.
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The original dimensions did, in fact, line up with the traditional death shroud dimensions
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that would have been around in the first century AD.
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However, the stretching that took place, they were measured in cubits.
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So, the cubits to feet, it is a correct translation one-to-one.
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The stretching in 2002 is what made it a different size these days.
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Some of those images you'll see, there will be a body on the shroud,
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and then right under it you'll see another one.
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So, on the top of that, you see the body of Jesus,
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It's interesting that they saw fit to even leave that descriptive in the image, right?
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that's an interesting detail that they tried to preserve.
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And it's crazy because we look at medieval art,
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and we look at medieval artwork, and it's not the best detail.
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But they did, in fact, make sure to leave details when it came to the Lord and Savior.
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So, like I said, the original dimensions were measured in cubits,
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but it is consistent with other burial shrouds of this time.
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and has a thread count of between 70 to 120 micron,
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and each thread is about 200-ish microns thick.
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and there's a little bit of tolerance here because this was handmade woven material.
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so you have a little bit of give and take on that.
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The brown lines on the side that go up and down the entire length of the shroud
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actually are scorch marks from the fire in 1532,
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we didn't see brown scorch marks that has become so iconic to the shroud today.
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That drawing, that manuscript, was scripted 400 years before the fire actually took place.
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So, from the fire on where we start to see the coloration that we know of it today.
00:41:37.740
but it is believed to be from burning incense that may have dropped on it,
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and they believe that maybe the shroud was folded into fourths.
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So, somehow these incense were dropped on it and burned all the way through in the exact same pattern.
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When they unfolded it, we had four L's out of it.
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Because it looks indicative of being folded into fourths
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and then having some sort of stain, whatever happened to it, and permeate the layers.
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There's no record of it, how it got the burn marks.
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We just know it allegedly was in this place at this day and age.
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We have a manuscript showing the burn marks, and then boom.
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Honestly, whoever was the responsible party for those burns
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because heaven forbid that they be the one to say they damaged the shroud of Jesus.
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Another famous painting from 1516 shows those holes again,
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verifying that the burn marks predate the 1532 fire from the Chambery in France.
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So, there's another painting, 1516, showing those L's,
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Oh, I should also mention, also the painting doesn't have the scorch mark lines.
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There are eight major burns that occurred from molten silver,
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creating a geometric pattern from the fire of 1532.
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So, how they had the thing displayed in the Chambery Cathedral in France.
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and when the fire happened, some of that silver,
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again, we're not talking like modern silversmithing methods.
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Some of it actually melted and fell onto the shroud itself,
00:43:20.980
There was some nuns that actually sewed on these triangle patterns
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That would be those triangle patterns that we see,
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four of them, as a matter of fact, on the shroud today.
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Well, Top, I don't know if you have anything specific, but...
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I'm, like, streaming through the story here, so...
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Because everything that you're laying out here is awfully convincing.
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It seems like they've had this sort of paper trail for a long time.
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And it's like, well, with what information did they dismiss it?
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Because everything that I'm hearing now is very compelling.
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But I don't want to derail you from what you're doing now.
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You could say that maybe some of the compelling evidence
00:44:18.160
And so I kind of want to give a little bit of reference here.
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And by the way, a lot of my research is done by this dude.
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He's somebody who has studied this back and forth for years.
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He's gone all over the world and gathered information
00:44:39.380
from everybody who is just absolutely obsessed with the Shroud of Turin.
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I love people who are, you know, kind of upbeat and very excited
00:44:50.800
because there are some people who just talk like this
00:44:52.480
and you can't even fucking listen to him for more than five minutes
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And one of the things that he likes to reference is
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but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first.
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he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in.
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The reason why he was stooping is because the tomb is,
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you know, obviously from like first century Israel.
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They had a stairwell that led down towards the entryway into this cave.
00:45:31.800
And so if you want to be able to get a good angle
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because the stairwell creates an obstacle to see inside.
00:45:41.540
So he stoops and doesn't go in, but he does see from a distance.
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Now we get over to John chapter 20, verses six through eight,
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It says, then Simon Peter came following him and went into the tomb.
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He saw the linen cloths lying there and the face cloth,
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But the face cloth, which had been on his head,
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Then the other disciple who came to the tomb first went in also.
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if he wasn't already before that Jesus had risen.
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So the folding of the cloth is actually very significant
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and I don't know if this is still something that permeates to today,
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if you were a guest at a person's house and you were eating,
00:46:47.800
you would leave your napkin folded on your plate.
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leave the napkin, any old type of way, they'd pick it up.
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Jesus folded the cloth, meaning he was coming back.
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Man, that is cool because it sounds like to a degree,
00:47:08.340
it's like this is just a really organized dude.
00:47:11.400
And it's like, no, this is not a, he's coming back.
00:47:14.980
I love that there used to be like whenever people,
00:47:16.940
you think of like what's a gangster move to pull off today,
00:47:23.060
folding a napkin and everyone's looking at it like,
00:47:29.100
you leave it on the table and you say like, I want more.
00:47:37.340
because the gospels are written to different individual groups.
00:47:40.860
There's conjecture to say that that's why there's fallacies in the Bible.
00:47:46.120
They omit certain details like, no, that's not exactly the case.
00:47:55.040
There's significance that was put on certain factors other than,
00:47:58.040
or rather than others that doesn't negate those facts.
00:48:07.860
The Romans were worried that this new Messiah figure,
00:48:10.960
this new cult that he was following or was following him,
00:48:15.260
They actually had Roman sentries posted as guards on this tomb.
00:48:21.920
They wanted to make sure that they wouldn't steal this body
00:48:24.100
to claim some sort of crazy resurrection story.
00:48:29.920
The cave was owned by Jesus' uncle, Joseph of Arimathea.
00:48:35.520
which also could be why he was buried in such a,
00:48:38.260
like I said, cheap materials but well-made cloth.
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The clothes that he actually was buried or was murdered in
00:48:47.420
As a matter of fact, when it was ripped from him,
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the Roman guards started gambling for who would get it
00:49:01.460
No way this guy got out without anybody seeing.
00:49:04.360
When the women came, they asked the guards to roll back the tomb.
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But what's really great is that there's a lot of information
00:49:21.960
that you can actually learn about how they used to do things back in the day
00:49:27.200
by strictly just observing some of the markings that are on this shroud.
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So, for example, a lot of people had always thought that Jesus,
00:49:35.340
you know, he had nails driven through his hands.
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That's, you know, typically the picture that you'd see.
00:49:40.840
However, the shroud itself shows that the nails were actually driven through the wrists.
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The reason behind that is because they found out earlier when nailing people to a cross
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because there is no bone there to block the nail from sliding up.
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and the bottom bone of the hand would stop the nail from sliding up,
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which makes a lot more sense if you're trying to keep somebody there for days.
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They would actually put a pedestal just below their feet,
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not high enough to where they could stand up and take their weight off
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but just low enough to where they could try to extend the punishment further.
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And that's another thing that they have done studies on to say
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Also worth mentioning, the whole stab wound in the ribs,
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why they did that and how what came out of it makes sense,
00:50:35.040
water and blood, and that's the stain that's shown on the shroud.
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But again, all right, all right, let's get back to it.
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there are numerous water stains and blood stains on the shroud.
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Some of the water stains are from putting out the fire
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Others are actually from the body housed within the shroud at one point,
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Now, the head, that makes sense, sweat, water, blood, all these things.
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But the torso in particular, at one particular stab wound to the ribs.
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Now, again, it's about how many of these victims could have been
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buried in this manner with these markings, with all of these things,
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okay, maybe the shroud is real to the day and age,
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It's like, okay, find me another crucifixion victim that fits that bill, homie.
00:51:28.040
You could make an argument that it seems to be that they were,
00:51:35.880
but it seems a lot easier to just say, yeah, he was a real guy.
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like, as I was saying, this father, Andrew Dalton,
00:51:44.900
I mean, he gets into the specific details behind the shit.
00:52:01.620
do you understand any of the supernatural properties
00:52:08.520
and if it pierced Jesus, it's his last piercing that killed him,
00:52:20.440
He said it was finished, and the earthquake happened.
00:52:23.000
The Romans stabbed him with the spear later to ensure that he was dead.
00:52:27.780
There's already stories about what happened with it.
00:52:31.680
The Roman guard that did it, I forget his name,
00:52:33.540
but apparently he, like, got saved in the process,
00:52:37.320
It gets really, really mixed up in legend and lore,
00:52:41.960
The cup that Jesus drank from at the Last Supper.
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and it was the hand of a carpenter that was serving.
00:52:53.180
Like, are you sure it wasn't like clay or wood?
00:52:57.560
That's a lot of things where they get mixed up in the lore
00:53:00.220
and the legend of it, and it honestly, who can say?
00:53:04.420
And so, like, you know, kind of going back to the whole question,
00:53:09.900
so there were plenty of people that were crucified back in the day.
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How can we be so sure that this had to have been Jesus?
00:53:21.740
of someone dying on a cross with a crown of thorns,
00:53:24.560
and the shroud indicates that Jesus was pierced on the forehead
00:53:29.680
And you can see the blood marks from the plucking of his beard,
00:53:33.440
the overabundances, the overabundance of lashes to his body,
00:53:39.360
because we said that we were going to go back to that,
00:53:42.840
So it said that whenever you would be torturing somebody
00:54:06.520
So it just goes to show that not only would that,
00:54:10.040
you would only give that kind of treatment to an animal,
00:54:12.460
but it suggests that Jesus was especially special for this one,
00:54:18.820
And you've got to keep in mind the way the Romans would torture people.
00:54:25.060
Those lashings was not just the thing they did for Jesus.
00:54:32.220
Okay, so you remember the stake that they tied him to
00:54:38.840
and a lesson learned or something along those lines,
00:54:45.980
so that they would never be able to stand completely upright again.
00:54:49.200
All of their muscles and skin would have to heal in that way
00:54:53.560
and everyone would know what type of criminal they were.
00:55:00.820
They just went from the sticks to the cat of nine tails
00:55:04.580
and they would just swap up to keep it quote-unquote legal.
00:55:09.720
and to the point about how many crucifixion victims
00:55:15.880
There is only one other case of a crucifixion victim
00:55:28.540
that even Hebrew law acknowledged you to be a criminal
00:56:52.200
which is what that flint knapping thing is called,
00:57:00.140
They're made out of the same type of materials.
00:57:10.200
and they're still trying to figure that one out.
00:57:28.320
came absolutely without any shadow of any doubt
00:59:14.980
is one fifth of one thousandth of a millimeter.
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and divide that width of the hair by one twentieth,
00:59:30.220
you have the depth of the coloration of the Shroud.
00:59:39.000
you would erase the picture of the Shroud forever.
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It is not made with dyes or paints or pigments.
00:59:59.900
All scans have shown no indication or signs of this.
01:00:22.180
There's been some things sewn on over the years.
01:00:47.820
So if you look at it in the positive, negative,
01:01:25.580
His arms would be stuck like this forever, right?
01:01:36.740
Rigor mortis is a temporary status of a corpse.
01:02:18.020
clearly show that this is a victim of crucifixion
01:02:46.320
other crucifixion victims have been brought up,
01:02:58.060
You could also see from the offset angle of them
01:03:02.720
one of them was probably a little taller than the other.
01:03:34.800
through intense but short-lasting exposure to light.
01:03:38.400
Others have argued that the x-ray or x-radiation
01:03:45.800
Whatever the source of the radiation might have been,
01:04:16.320
having durations shorter than 1 40 billionth of a second
01:04:53.400
So the cloth itself didn't have something put on it.
01:04:58.500
It's not scorch marks that's left from the body,
01:05:32.500
that like possibly the aliens are fallen angels
01:05:37.640
and they're recreating the technology that they have.
01:06:03.680
we were talking yesterday about like the IVF thing
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So that's why the whole suggestibility really works whenever you're in a
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or just four stages of consciousness in general.
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Like that's the brainwave state that we're currently in right now.
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Whenever you turn on the TV or maybe even the people that are listening to this podcast
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you might fall into what is known as the alpha brain,
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back in the sixties or fifties or something like that,
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where they would hook up a bunch of like brain nodes onto your head.
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And what they did was they made all of those people sit down on a couch and watch a TV.
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There wasn't a single person that had these brainwaves.
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Nodes hooked up to their head that could watch that TV for more than 60 seconds without falling
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into the alpha state of mind or a light trance.
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So you're literally being hypnotized at times when you don't even know you're being hypnotized.
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so that's the alpha and that's just a light trance.
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It's not like you're full on MK ultra or anything like that,
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they're watching Paul patrol or something like that.
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And then you realize your ass is watching Paul patrol.
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without knowing it fell into a light trance as human minds are one to do whenever the television's on.
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And sometimes like I'm watching from the outside perspective,
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because I'm trying not to fall into that brainwave pattern,
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the way that it's like curved and lighted and rendered.
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there's some trickery going on here that children can't look past.
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there's a reason why I will not let my children watch Cocoa melon.
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I don't even know what the concept of the show is.
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And the reason why they have that such extreme flicker rate is because they
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know that the more frames that they can put in to their show is only
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So I believe that there's like three or five frames per second in that,
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The longest I could see for one picture was six seconds.
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A whole nother one swapped it to a whole nother one.
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They're keeping the child's attention engineeredly.
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And it's not just that they're keeping the attention.
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what you used to do was train a child's attention span to be able to pay
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With like morality and ethics and all these different things.
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instead what you've done is you just put a cast on their attention span and
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you're ensuring that they're never going to have to develop one beyond
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eight seconds worth of a loop because everything that they're watching,
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everything they're being fed is being catered to the,
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I can't pay attention for longer than 30 seconds.
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Because if you can lull people into a sort of trance with your words,
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Then the sentiments of actually who we're going to be talking to shortly,
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who does our book of revelation series with us.
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the way to engage in spiritual warfare is with speech.
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if we're being subjected constantly to spiritual warfare,
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the way to combat or to fight back or defend ourselves is with our words,
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then we should probably be extra careful and pick the things that we say.
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always going to be sleep paralysis or always something that looks like an alien
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abduction phenomenon or always some sort of demand.
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it's the things that you give your attention to the things that you say,
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And although a lot of people don't want to agree with that,
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you're not just seeing a giant M with a red bar at the bottom.
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So it incorporates so much information into that tiny,
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and also like even bringing it to like a political realm.
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somebody said this thing talking about how joyful she is,
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You can notice what it was a couple of weeks ago.
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It's like a bunch of like boomers on TV saying like,
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And what they're doing right there is that they're building the symbol of Kamala.
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They're trying to encompass literally the word joy.
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He's like big in the political commentary space.
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And I know people who will be impressionable to what they're feeding and why they would like her.
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Like not necessarily like as like a human emotion,
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And you realize you run in like two different circles and she's 20 years old.
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And she's attached to Tik TOK and Tik TOK is creating the narrative.
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engineering all these different word associations with this symbol.
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there's a whole generation of Gen Z kids that are going,
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how far does it actually go as far as the occult,
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what also can you do within black magic that all that has to pertain to like
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of sacrificing something is so that you can reap the benefits from said
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there was a very strange anomaly that we actually found like live on one of
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it's just kind of something that stuck with me.
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But I remember whenever I was a little kid that there was this old
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It was like this fucking Samoan kind of guy or whatever,
01:20:20.800
two months before Joe Biden announced that Kamala Harris was his running
01:20:30.840
then we go and do a little bit more digging on as far as this whole,
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it's up for whatever you think you go and find out what,
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You have Kamala Harris dying two months before she is deemed our vice president for the next
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four years and possibly our president for the future.
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but I don't want to deviate too much cause we only have you guys for about 15 more
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All of a sudden we get hit with these findings that the,
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and then we have a very strange followup to that,
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especially as a conspiracy theorist or a Christian,
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And I love that this is going to be part of the conversation again.
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maybe we can get into this AI thing a little bit.
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I kind of want to go over just a short little part,
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So there were three laboratories that tried to do carbon dating on this shroud back in 1988.
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that the shroud must've been made between the span of years,
01:23:18.740
So there was like a bunch of slides looking under a microscope at this thing and stuff like that.
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slide one got a date of about 1240 while slide two got an average date of about 1440.
01:23:30.960
So there's 200 years in between literally two centimeters of cloth that they're looking at.
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And as you move from left to right on the shroud,
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it's guessed that the sample of the shroud that they were given was a combination of the first century material along with the 16th century material,
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because it kept on having to get rewoven every time it would get flooded,
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every time there was a fucking incense burning or something like that.
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They kept on trying to preserve it by adding new material to it.
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And so this is why there's such a wide range of possible outcome.
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the dirt and everything that goes along with it.
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it drawing all the way back to the alleged time of this actually being during Jesus's time.
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1988 carbon dating was still a very new science and there's,
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The shroud of Torrin is the most heavily scrutinized and analyzed artifacts on earth to date,
01:24:42.820
The shroud of Torrin has been scientifically analyzed more than them by leaps and bounds.
01:24:48.380
the sample that was sent to Arizona came from near a burnt part.
01:24:52.820
Now they didn't know if that would affect the carbon dating or not,
01:24:59.800
which leaves carbon would dictate a little difference on the carbon dating of the artifact.
01:25:05.860
So it was discovered through trial and error that the only way we can get accurate carbon dating of a sample is if we know the whereabouts of the sample for the entire time,
01:25:14.760
from the time it was left to the time we analyze it point being,
01:25:19.660
let's say we find some sort of fossilic remains and it has been underground for this long.
01:25:24.440
And we could say beyond a reasonable doubt that it's so far in the soil.
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Then we compare that to carbon dating analytics and we can go from there.
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your guess is as good as mine because of the amount of carbon that's just going to be all over that shit.
01:25:42.380
I do want to make a mention of how it got from the tomb.
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To tour in Italy and it will kind of give a little more credence as to how some of these dates and how some of these times kind of got lost to the records and why it is so quote unquote controversial.
01:25:55.800
So this is a compilation of what personally I believe is the most likely chain of events.
01:26:01.060
There are a few offshoots that certain professionals say,
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but the most professionals go along this train of thought that I'm saying now.
01:26:07.620
It was made from Jesus in the tomb and it was brought to Antioch in 70 AD.
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they wouldn't have called themselves Christians,
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but that group kind of based their headquarters out of Antioch.
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the patriarch of the church of Antioch sent the shroud to Constantinople.
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the church was the only building not burned to the ground in Antioch in that siege.
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That was 540 when it was sent to Constantinople.
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First time that a shroud with an image on it is historically mentioned.
01:26:56.860
it gets to Constantinople and it started to become worshiped on a,
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in the city mentioned in a letter from the French knight,
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who participated in the siege of Constantinople.
01:27:11.780
They took the shroud and they put it on this big board.
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And it was on this mechanism that every Friday afternoon,
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it would be raised up and the entire city would worship it as a sign of Jesus
01:27:29.260
Now we don't know for a fact if this was the shroud of Torin,
01:27:33.340
but we do know that Constantinople was worshiping a cloth that came from Antioch,
01:27:38.320
that there's claims to say that it was the shroud.
01:27:41.440
The shroud was taken by French knights during the siege of Constantinople during the
01:27:46.680
the elites of the city even wrote a letter of complaint to the Pope where they
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the French took the most holy image of Christ in quote.
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And if you look at the crusaders and what they did,
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settled on Constantinople and decided to siege it.
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Cut to the next time we hear of a shroud is in the village of Leary,
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and it is owned by a knight of the name of Joffrey de Charney.
01:28:23.540
It is in 1349 claiming that it was freely given to his family.
01:28:32.460
140 ish years after it was last seen in Constantinople in 1204.
01:28:48.060
She literally sold the shroud of Torrin to the Italian Royal family for two
01:28:52.840
The Catholic church was pretty pissed about this and actually excommunicated
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It's also worth mentioning here that this is pretty much the last place that
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Duke of Savoy ordered the shall the shroud be brought to Torrin where it has
01:29:11.400
the Italian Royal family of Savoy fell out of power.
01:29:16.140
they started cutting off shreds of it and giving it to people as Royal
01:29:25.260
Here's a piece of the Holy holiest of relics that we currently have,
01:29:39.660
but out of power gave it as a gift to the Holy seat.
01:29:49.540
John the Baptist in torn Italy where it has remained to this day.
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I know we're late in the game for this question and if it's okay to tell me
01:30:10.140
imagine going to an eyes wide shut party and receiving a shroud of
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but AI does generate an image of Christ based off of the shroud.
01:30:29.220
it looks very similar to images that have kind of garnered Christian
01:30:36.920
the idea that the modern visage of Christ is actually that of Caesar
01:30:45.760
that kind of hurts a lot of feelings when you hear that,
01:30:50.300
certainly that at some point the image has been,
01:30:57.300
but then all of a sudden you look at the shroud and you go,
01:31:04.800
Do you remember a couple of years back when they,
01:31:08.600
queen Cleopatra and they took her skeletal remains and they made an AI image of that.
01:31:13.420
And she came out to be a white girl that looked like Britney Spears and the internet lost their shit.
01:31:17.380
And they didn't realize that Cleopatra was part of the Ptolemaic dynasty.
01:31:37.380
we have been seeing this image of Jesus white guy with blue eyes and these curly locks.
01:31:42.260
And that's been the image that was clearly a Borgia.
01:31:48.040
is that you see throughout the years and this could be argued.
01:32:08.600
the reason why his name was changed to Jesus Christ.
01:32:16.860
Michelangelo's fucking boyfriend or something like that.
01:32:20.180
And you start to see that through like magic in the occult that you can essentially incorporate the energy of somebody in the past.
01:32:29.440
we had done an episode not that long ago about how Saddam Hussein really believed that he was the reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar.
01:32:38.200
you're trying to take on that energy by claiming,
01:32:44.900
like subconscious kind of thing that you can have,
01:32:54.740
you would try and take on maybe the certain powers.
01:32:57.400
And some have speculated that the whole reason why maybe Jesus,
01:33:01.120
Jesus's name changed from Yeshua to Jesus to Jesus Christ specifically is because of the old boy who was king during a certain period.
01:33:15.700
So I'm not saying that Julius Caesar was trying to incorporate the energy of Jesus Christ and have all the people of all the land worship him as though he is maybe the reincarnation.
01:33:30.020
some people will always say like LeBron James always calling himself the king.
01:33:34.440
he's always calling himself the greatest of all time.
01:33:36.520
Like you think of like these terms that we give everybody that these are symbols.
01:33:42.640
these are things that you can assign to that person's character too.
01:33:52.900
they start to stack up on top of each other in the subconscious mind.
01:33:57.660
If you ever see an image of Jesus and he's hot,
01:34:26.860
That's an interesting rabbit hole that I think you guys should go down where he,
01:34:32.800
but he doesn't think schizophrenia is a mental disorder or hallucinations.
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Cause I think you guys would have a lot of fun with him.
01:34:58.080
thank you so much for your time before we get out of here.
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01:35:21.020
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01:35:26.280
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01:35:39.720
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01:35:57.940
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01:36:06.060
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01:36:15.240
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01:36:31.660
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01:36:43.680
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01:36:50.840
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01:37:04.800
So we are going to get so many more wheels rolling here in the next few
01:37:19.760
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01:37:31.080
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01:38:08.780
The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.
01:38:14.760
It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.
01:38:18.140
If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see,
01:38:23.560
because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.