Nephilim Death Squad - What REALLY Happened to Charlie Kirk？｜ Candace Owens, Israel & Tyler Robinson w⧸ Tyler Janke

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00:01:54.760 with that one guy that we don't like welcome back ladies and gentlemen

00:02:23.120 Welcome to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:25.480 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:02:30.360 Your arms down.

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00:03:24.200 We have a fun guest today. 0.99

00:03:25.680 Usually I say great, but I don't really care.

00:03:27.300 We have a guest today.

00:03:28.580 We have a guest today, a guy that we've known for a long time that couldn't be bothered to show up.

00:03:33.880 Yep, yep.

00:03:34.640 Because he had previous, you know, engagements.

00:03:37.800 Wait, wait, my son got married.

00:03:39.840 My son got married. 1.00

00:03:40.740 My pussy hurts. 1.00

00:03:41.840 We have that one. 1.00

00:03:42.480 once in a lifetime opportunity to see my son get married and i did it because

00:03:47.100 there it is thank you nancy we are joined today by daddy yonki tyler if you could for the audience

00:03:56.020 who's not familiar with you tell them where they can find you and what you do uh personally where

00:04:01.460 they can like online first of all i want that music when i enter court that you're opening

00:04:06.640 music every next time i go to court i need like a uh that intro music behind me that'd be

00:04:11.840 if that would if that happened like if i was ever like a defendant like the prosecutor walked in 0.85

00:04:16.240 like that i'm like i yield yeah we we're fucked guilty yeah he might defend by he's even worse 0.53

00:04:22.340 because i do family law and that might not work so you could find me online tyler yonke or or do 0.78

00:04:27.200 i need to do this whole thing here we have a background yeah this is the thing you got to do

00:04:30.200 oh we do have a background so i guess you just pulled the background not trump but um i like

00:04:34.000 that tyler yonke dot substack dot com for all your stuff uh i get all my notification stuff out there

00:04:41.700 um that's where you can find me by the way it's not that my son my son had a wedding

00:04:46.960 and then the next week i was going to come out to bro grove you just never ever sent me anything

00:04:52.060 i had i was ready i was packed ready to go that's true you packed i don't think that's true i mean

00:04:57.960 i feel so bad like like you packed up emotionally packed up mentally no i can't even follow through

00:05:03.880 with this fake beef because um i missed going out there i listened to your recap last week

00:05:09.080 and besides uh nancy having some echo problems it was enjoying to listen to

00:05:13.260 and i missed it and i was like oh this hurts my my soul a little bit but just well we're gonna

00:05:19.180 keep the good news is we're gonna keep doing them well it was this was unusual because i didn't even

00:05:24.240 harass toad to come like that's how quickly i was i think i asked him one more time three months

00:05:30.500 ago so wait he's more important than me no i probably asked him when i was talking to you

00:05:35.340 but he said it was it's my mom's birthday and oh yeah yeah i was like come on dude are you gonna

00:05:40.320 come or not and he's like i don't know so i could have used your help though nancy didn't show up

00:05:47.020 yeah she didn't show up either everybody that kind of like is cool and important in our lives

00:05:51.880 who we care greatly about and didn't expect this sort of betrayal from didn't show up

00:05:55.760 well give me some heads up on the next one i'll be like i said i like to come out there and help

00:06:01.700 I like to just enjoy.

00:06:02.880 If you need my help producing all that stuff, that's what I'll be.

00:06:06.140 All right.

00:06:06.480 I'll remember that.

00:06:07.200 We'll remember that for next time.

00:06:08.660 So I did see on your Patreon, which you didn't care to promote, but I think we did the show

00:06:12.660 images on the screen.

00:06:13.460 Was that Patreon or was that Substack?

00:06:14.640 It was Substack.

00:06:15.220 Oh, that's my mistake.

00:06:17.280 Your top one.

00:06:18.380 Show that image real quick because it looks like you recently did just talk about the

00:06:23.420 big debate, which is interesting.

00:06:25.780 and i'm hoping that we can get into some of this discussion today because i've not looked at any of

00:06:32.280 it at all but i can tell that the internet is like super divided we said it earlier um i don't know if

00:06:37.440 it was just like in a conversation around the shop or if it happened on the show but this is one of

00:06:41.240 those things where it seems to be whichever side you're on is the side that you perceive one but i

00:06:49.060 am definitively seeing meme after meme after meme about andrew wilson getting a shitter pushed in so

00:06:55.240 what actually happened? Thank you for saying that. So there's different ways you can rate

00:07:01.000 a debate. Okay. One, there's your Oxford style where it's all logistic and who is technically

00:07:06.720 the winner. There's your presidential debates, right? Which is like someone may lose, but the

00:07:13.000 winner is kind of the one that gets the memes and all those things, right? This was more on

00:07:18.720 the presidential side. So my 30,000 foot view of who won, and by the way, I really dislike

00:07:25.040 Andrew, and I'm not a Candace Stan, but the lies that they make up about her, you always have to

00:07:30.800 question why those lies, right? Because you can go after, you can mock her for all kinds of stuff, 0.91

00:07:35.980 but they make stuff up that always seems to be around as little nation stuff. So my 30,000 foot

00:07:42.720 view of the winner is who are you seeing getting the memes out there? Okay. Who is getting the

00:07:49.340 mocking who got the gotcha moments now i listened to our our friend uh jose this morning and he was

00:07:55.340 trying to do gotcha stuff on canvas another person that could have came to bro grove right not yeah 0.98

00:08:00.760 i don't know what happened there well clint was explicitly invited he he told me to eat shit and 0.95

00:08:07.300 die i mean in his defense he's still hurting i mean that's a good comment that's all i'm saying 0.97

00:08:14.040 It's end of the comment. All right. So, so, so with, with that, when you see the gotcha moments,

00:08:21.040 how bad they were with Andrew, then you have to back kind of back up and go, what was this about?

00:08:26.540 Right. You guys are like, Oh, the debate's gay and all. Yes, it is. But this is, so I'm an attorney 0.88

00:08:32.360 and I've had this happen multiple occasions where either I'm, you know, cases ongoing and I I'm the 0.93

00:08:38.040 new attorney coming in and you're like, you don't know shit about the case. The other attorney's, 0.77

00:08:41.860 you know, been in there for years, or I've been on the other end where I've been in this case,

00:08:45.200 new attorney comes in and you don't know everything. You think you may, you know,

00:08:50.080 you're trying to get caught up for a hearing. That's what Andrew was. He got caught up for a

00:08:53.820 hearing. He was trying to be there. Candace has lived this. She can be completely wrong. And we

00:08:57.860 also know this about debates. If I were to debate someone on like flat earth, right, which I don't

00:09:02.780 believe in, you know, convince me I would lose because these guys know they're just over the

00:09:07.720 top in the world of this and they will make you look pathetic right unless you're really the person

00:09:12.880 to be arguing with him he was that guy he was a guy that came in didn't know really what he was 0.88

00:09:17.800 talking about and she could be completely wrong on everything she's saying but she made him look 0.98

00:09:22.760 like an idiot i believe because there were so many gotcha moments and he just didn't know what 0.97

00:09:28.760 he was willing he didn't know everything about the case which is really sad and the biggest one 1.00

00:09:32.980 is you know the number of charges and whatnot and he walked himself into those problems yeah so at

00:09:39.200 one point he goes uh he's absolutely guilty i've seen this clip absolutely guilty of the charges 0.99

00:09:44.440 or whatever i'm paraphrasing and she goes what are the charges and he goes fuck and just doesn't know 0.99

00:09:49.620 he like then he turns it around on her asks her to goes you're black name the charges black lady 0.99

00:09:55.660 and then he uh he starts giving her like a time limit too which is bizarre to name the charges

00:10:00.460 And then when she does name the charges, there are duplicate charges, something like a obstruction of justice or something like that.

00:10:06.360 And he's like, well, what type of and she's like, that's the charge. 1.00

00:10:09.160 That's and it just look he looked like a real asshole. 0.99

00:10:12.860 First, let's start here, which is I want to get back to this, but I don't want to lose this thought. 0.99

00:10:20.160 She's gone in there.

00:10:21.280 She had Nick Fuentes come in and studio.

00:10:23.440 I don't know if you ever guys watch that interview.

00:10:25.400 OK, and it was somewhat cordial.

00:10:27.660 There was some pushback on some stuff. 0.88

00:10:29.140 and then he leaves and he's squawking online he is such a female about the way he's reacting like

00:10:35.500 oh you weren't brave enough to say this to her face but you're gonna go say it offline now you

00:10:40.140 know what kind of what kind of big can i swear on this show you can say maggie yeah yeah so what 0.99

00:10:44.560 well pussy is what i was really going at okay on him so he acts like a complete female then you 0.99

00:10:50.080 have andrew and if you look at the emotional uh take of both of these parties first of all he 1.00

00:10:56.180 calls, he says, women are, well, my back to my thing with Nick, she's a woman. Okay. That's your

00:11:02.160 first thought is like, she's a woman. What are you expecting out of this stuff? But yet he acted 1.00

00:11:07.280 more female. And then Andrew comes in there and he calls, you know, all women retards. And he 0.98

00:11:12.000 prepared like that because then he didn't have all the facts at his disposal. And if she's a retard 1.00

00:11:18.040 woman, then one, why are you doing this? Why are you paying $300,000 to go into this den and then 1.00

00:11:25.740 not be prepared for it so there was there was those kind of things um but back to the the the

00:11:30.820 charges what she says though is and you can dislike her all you want but you can't just say 0.92

00:11:35.620 she's a retard because she does little things like this which was she said which charge was he guilty 0.88

00:11:42.300 of and it was a setup because then he led her down the road of um well uh he shot him well can you 0.99

00:11:48.740 name the charges now that you've even engaged in this game what are those charges to be named

00:11:53.520 and he couldn't do it and he tries to throw it back on her and of course she was more than willing

00:11:58.340 to do this because she knew that this was coming so um yeah that's the thing with candace like 0.89

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00:15:24.700 Even the setup for the premise of this debate, 0.99

00:15:27.520 I think a lot of people for some reason still think she's dumb, 0.95

00:15:30.720 but she had him on the hook for a long time. 0.98

00:15:34.580 Like I think that she was offered

00:15:35.680 maybe $100,000 before to debate him

00:15:38.180 and she just kind of ignored it,

00:15:40.220 like hand waved it away.

00:15:41.400 And then he made the mistake of saying a number

00:15:43.460 and that's a good number, 300,000

00:15:45.860 because if you look at his,

00:15:46.860 like pretty much his net worth

00:15:48.180 and what he's going to be making,

00:15:51.020 300,000 hits a lot hard.

00:15:53.240 Let's say the guy's fluid with a million dollars, right?

00:15:55.920 A hundred K to grow his star might be worth it.

00:15:59.760 300k that's a number that you can put a pin in and have somebody stuck with yeah and she waited

00:16:06.940 he said it and she was like i'll take that and then he's like made like a hostage video like

00:16:11.700 i know playing the victim because she said okay i accept i was like man that's crazy yeah

00:16:16.360 yeah yeah yeah it was i don't know who's running his pr and i he's not paying for that you know

00:16:21.580 he did a give send go it's it's got to be tp usa um his his braggadocious um style going on rogan

00:16:28.780 was incredible. No one will debate me. 300,000. And then the next day she's like, I don't even

00:16:33.940 know about this guy. Let's do it. And I was like, he just shit his pants. Yeah, that's a real I mean,

00:16:39.380 you touched on something, though, that is hilarious. And this is something that I

00:16:42.520 I've addressed before with him. We've had like a little back and forth. And I said,

00:16:48.200 as a married man, why are you continually arguing with bimbos? The greatest part about being married 1.00

00:16:55.420 is that you no longer even have to talk to other women,

00:16:57.500 let alone argue with them.

00:16:58.760 And he didn't understand what it was,

00:17:00.280 went over his head and he started,

00:17:01.540 I think he just insulted me or whatever.

00:17:03.800 And then this time around,

00:17:05.360 now we're looking at, 1.00

00:17:06.880 imagine paying $300,000 to argue with a woman

00:17:10.420 while you're a married man.

00:17:12.240 None of this makes any sense whatsoever, 0.76

00:17:14.040 except for that.

00:17:15.100 You're talking about him going on Rogan,

00:17:16.920 being braggadocious,

00:17:18.160 saying this nobody will debate me thing.

00:17:20.180 And then all of a sudden she takes him up on it.

00:17:21.980 And I, yeah, I mean, from where I'm sitting,

00:17:23.560 it doesn't look like it was ever intentional. He never wanted her to say yes to 300,000. He was

00:17:28.600 just trying to talk shit. You know, there's a confidence that he has, overwhelming, but the 0.99

00:17:34.580 competence has to go with that confidence. I watched and I did a show about him and Dave

00:17:41.460 Smith debating once about family law stuff. Now, that's what I do every day, right? That's my

00:17:47.480 specific issue with the court all day long. And they were both batshit crazy, but at least Dave 0.86

00:17:55.500 would say, well, this is what I think. And he's like, no, no, no, you don't understand. And I'm 0.97

00:17:58.860 like, okay, either he's really had a lot of ex baby mamas or something like that, but they, he

00:18:03.760 didn't know, but he's confident about it. And that is the worst thing you can do. And I saw that as

00:18:08.200 well, which is confidence. He thinks that that just means competence and it could come back to

00:18:13.940 haunt you in multiple ways that actually reminds stuff about court was just off in the debate too

00:18:19.180 so when we had dave no no when we had dave smith on our show and then that got like into a weird

00:18:24.820 yeah date type thing it was in response to that debate oh yeah i forgot that's why i reached out

00:18:30.940 to dave and i was like hey do you want to like have a discussion about this because they got

00:18:33.480 caught up on like on god or uh i don't even remember what it was but they've got like two

00:18:39.140 different debates i think but i only watched the one so yes but that's the reason why we spoke with 0.93

00:18:44.400 david and that ended up getting frustrating too because it was like kind of retarded i you know 0.97

00:18:49.320 the whole thing for this andrew guy though is just like overwhelmingly that he seems like a big piece 0.97

00:18:54.520 of shit and that's what i can't get past that's why he keeps kind of coming up on my radar isn't 0.88

00:18:59.820 because like i don't care there's plenty of intellectuals what was that asian guy's name 0.99

00:19:02.840 that was supposed to be like really good on scripture or something like that his name was 0.98

00:19:06.680 doctor or something and he was like a professor jang professor jang and like i don't give a shit 0.98

00:19:12.320 about him i don't give a shit about him not because he probably doesn't have something 0.99

00:19:15.620 interesting to say or there's things that are worth scrutinizing about him i don't give a shit 0.97

00:19:19.220 about him because he doesn't get on my radar as being like an overtly bad dude like there's 0.91

00:19:23.240 something about andrew you said that he sweats like cigarettes like how when you're when you

00:19:27.920 smoke in a room and then the paint starts to drip and it's yellow drips down the wall

00:19:31.120 like there is something about him that exudes um like like toxins like there's something

00:19:36.700 just heavy and negative about that guy so I keep looking and I think that's why we're all kind of

00:19:41.580 fascinated by you know anything that he's doing it's not because he's hyper intelligent it's not

00:19:47.280 even because he's good at debate it's because I think the phenomenon is he is something about him

00:19:53.200 is it overtly bad dude and you want to see him lose putrid putrefaction like when somebody uh

00:19:58.520 dies and then melts into their chair he he consistently looks like he's doing that yeah

00:20:04.740 but alive somehow it looks stinky he looks sweaty and then listening to him talk i'm like nobody

00:20:10.040 likes to hear this like this is not a good timbre of a voice so i yeah he's a curiosity but it's 0.96

00:20:16.600 it's one of these people that you just watch to hate and then add on that he's a an orthodox

00:20:21.820 christian as well and i'm just like oh that's like you know par for the course yeah yeah i think the 0.98

00:20:25.920 big thing too was like I said he's on the whatever podcast he's talking to bimbos and then he's like 0.97

00:20:30.960 toting this idea of traditional conservative values and and how women should be and I'm not 0.99

00:20:37.980 even disagreeing with a lot of maybe the ideas that he expressed certainly not the criticisms 0.99

00:20:41.480 of the bimbos on the whatever podcast but the thing that I see after that is like oh shit you're 0.99

00:20:46.060 married to this lady that's got like four kids by three different baby daddies I don't know if any 0.99

00:20:51.200 of them are even yours and it's like so now we've got this hypocrisy thing which is your body is

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00:23:15.300 Almost par for the course as far as that type of character goes. 1.00

00:23:18.940 Of course this sweaty, dirty-haired son of a bitch is going to have a wife 1.00

00:23:24.100 that's completely the opposite of traditional conservative. 1.00

00:23:27.280 And so, yeah, there's something wrong with that guy.

00:23:30.660 I would like to know your guys' opinion,

00:23:32.120 because i i made a critique about jay when he um declined to do the the debate with owen

00:23:38.620 and that one was so gay because he's like oh you've offended me and i'm like yeah but anytime 0.91

00:23:43.980 you have a you'd have a debate with these whores right and you're like i think your worldview is 0.99

00:23:47.920 horrible but you're offending them right or if you have an argument with an atheist you're literally 0.99

00:23:53.080 offending them by saying uh you know they're different beliefs so it was dumb for him to say 0.99

00:23:58.340 the way he did. But my point there is both he and Andrew are, like I said, they have this confidence

00:24:04.540 going with him and they do debates about religion. And I'm like, okay, I guess that's, I don't know

00:24:10.780 where you're going. What's the point of some of that? Sometimes it's good to have these debates,

00:24:14.080 but how are you going to get any kind of like traction to your side, right? Like my pastor,

00:24:22.220 it's, you know, love forgiveness and you kind of bring them in this way, not, hey, you're a piece 0.99

00:24:26.480 of shit, you should be worshiping the way I do, which maybe give me a little bit more 0.99

00:24:30.940 interpretation of what you think about their methods, because it does spill over to this. 1.00

00:24:36.100 You saw Dave Smith doing his debate with Cuomo. And if Cuomo had been kind of like,

00:24:41.200 you know, I made mistakes, then you can't go as harsh at him. But when he's such a piece of shit, 1.00

00:24:46.040 it's just fun to thrash him, which is how Andrew and Jay live their lives. 1.00

00:24:50.780 And look, I mean, so I'll give my piece on it. And then I think Top is probably going to have

00:24:54.100 something more thoughtful because he's he's got more information but but you know the the the

00:24:59.380 cuomo thing was not it was it was pretty much um nuts and bolts you said this and this is what the

00:25:07.140 reality of the situation was you advocated for this and this is what the reality of the the

00:25:13.940 danger that we were in versus what you were advocating for the things that you popularized

00:25:18.180 and you know the cultural climate that you created here's what you said it's all very like nuts and 0.97

00:25:22.780 old shit but when it comes to jay dyer and and sort of those debate tactics um from where i'm 0.96

00:25:29.220 standing and i'm i'm still comparably new in my walk with you know christ as far as other people 0.99

00:25:36.080 are concerned they don't like idol well they don't like yeah this is blasphemy apparently

00:25:40.260 um but my main concern is that everything that i've learned and what's compelled me

00:25:46.580 to come to christ is very spiritual it was not like legalistic it wasn't um text driven or

00:25:55.240 anything there was immutable experiences that i was having that were reframing my worldview

00:26:00.500 and then once that worldview was reframed it continued to pair good fruit the more that i

00:26:05.540 looked through that frame so it was a testable thing that i was engaging with it was never

00:26:09.440 intellectualized it was never uh debate worthy or any of that stuff and then when i see this

00:26:16.100 other side. It stands in stark contrast to my own experiences and the Christ that I've come to know.

00:26:22.760 And it's almost like it's void of any spirit. It's almost like what he's done is he's reduced

00:26:28.720 the most important thing in the world and the most true thing in the world and also the most

00:26:34.260 spiritually badass thing in the world. And he's reduced it to a set of arguing points

00:26:38.420 to win debates with. And that just basically glorifies himself. And also to say anything

00:26:45.140 about being offended when when you know jay has been on this show dropping n-bombs i'm on youtube

00:26:51.520 so i'm not gonna do that um which like i don't have a problem with i think it's funny and i'm

00:26:56.720 not you know we've never had a any issue with saying whatever you want to say uh and he does

00:27:01.520 songs where he's using ai and he turns himself into like black you know yakub and and it's like

00:27:06.780 a hilarious song like all of it is very offensive and i have zero problems with any of that whatsoever 0.72

00:27:11.660 but then to turn around and claim imagine me or top ever being like you've offended me right

00:27:17.100 what i i mean yeah you could offend me there's there's like a very specific way to offend me

00:27:22.540 and it's to waste my time sure yeah that's fair shout out clint well in a way but yeah other

00:27:29.400 people have done that i go oh i don't like that because time is really the only thing that we

00:27:32.740 have that's like super valuable um i guess stealing from me would offend me too but that's

00:27:37.520 that would be stealing um with jay it's interesting to note after the he declined the debate with uh

00:27:45.580 josey and also sorry for kind of like i i i also play probably played a little bit of a part in

00:27:51.120 making that uh inhospitable towards inhospitable toward him and it's nothing it wasn't towards uh

00:27:57.040 towards oh the guest is tyler yankee uh daddy contest asking yeah he'd be a great guest on

00:28:05.800 your show too uh but uh what was i saying you were saying that uh you were maybe creating a

00:28:12.480 little bit of an inhospitable relationship yeah yeah because because uh there's like background

00:28:17.840 to it so the background is oh i won't i won't go to brohemian grove this was the previous one

00:28:23.820 because owen benjamin will be there and i i won't associate with him right and then then the next

00:28:28.340 thing there's much worse people than owen at that thing so yeah like was owen's the nicest dude he

00:28:33.180 He was the nicest dude at the at the place. Yeah. And hands down. So then he he challenges Owen to

00:28:40.180 a debate again. But I'm like, oh, you would like you challenge him to a debate. And he says, oh,

00:28:44.760 Owen won't face me. And I was like, I have DMs from you saying you won't face him. So I'm like,

00:28:49.800 what the hell is going on here? Why are you like being such a rat? And then I'm watching this. So 0.99

00:28:53.940 I just insert myself and I go, hey, we got a spot. Let's do it in real life. We can do it in front of

00:28:59.980 a crowd you can do it in private whatever you want but we got a spot we can make it look really

00:29:03.480 nice josey's in florida owen will be in florida you're in florida what's the excuse and he was

00:29:10.160 just like oh no and i was like of course he's not going to do that so i just started running with it

00:29:13.840 online and i'm like yeah this is the debate's going to happen here it's going to happen at

00:29:18.600 bohemian grove we're going to do it to the point where alp is like messaging me saying uh we'd like

00:29:24.860 to make it happen the debate yeah like like what could we do to sponsor it and all that and i'm

00:29:29.220 just like hey get this this guy to say yes but i was applying pressure on him because these guys 0.71

00:29:35.940 are really tough and you saw this with jay through uh dms or on twitter or he did the same shit to me

00:29:42.420 before he realized who i was i suppose he thought i was someone that was associated with sam tripoli 0.97

00:29:47.720 in a bigger way yeah and he kind of treated me like shit till he realized like oh wait this guy

00:29:51.780 actually is doing stuff and uh so i was like no no in real life like face to face like people 0.83

00:29:57.600 and he declined and then that kind of that made things not so great for joe josey and then owen

00:30:03.580 did something about i don't know icons or whatever and he was like i'm out now you now you've offended

00:30:07.800 me now you've offended me but then the next the next week or the week before bohemian growth 0.98

00:30:12.400 he goes and debates a muslim you know the same people who said like i'm going to cut your head 0.71

00:30:17.400 off he does that in real life that's my point which is the conversation with that guy in a 0.96

00:30:23.240 debate, you're going to offend each other, like blasphemy, right? Literally by you're debating

00:30:28.520 this thing. Now, did I just, oh, you guys are. What was also interesting in the DMs about the

00:30:35.500 Jay Dyer stuff, you know, this is now where I feel like Mario Lopez telling you about the secret

00:30:39.800 lives of celebrities or something here. But in the DMs that we had with Josie and us, and you can,

00:30:45.780 because, you know, Owen made them all public. Jay first says, why don't we do a roast of each

00:30:51.320 other yeah and then and then they're like what about a debate and he goes or we can do both

00:30:55.200 so he puts a roast at the front pretext of this interaction and so then blasphemy you don't think

00:31:03.520 that's going to be part of the roast yeah yeah you don't think blasphemy is going to be part of

00:31:08.000 this roast it's not blasphemy i mean that no it wasn't but his version of what he thought it was

00:31:13.680 his interpretation of or at least how he was characterizing it i don't know if that was his

00:31:16.800 genuine interpretation but again and this this is also the crux of the issue that i have with

00:31:20.740 him the entire orthodox church everybody who believes that way is their interpretation of

00:31:26.640 god and their interpretation of god is whatever tiny box that they've decided to put him into

00:31:30.640 yeah and that's incorrect this is like again without going on forever the creator of everything

00:31:38.500 if you believe this way which they do of space time every you me everything that exists can be

00:31:45.260 neatly put into four walls and uh the sacrifices and salvation made and given through god and christ

00:31:52.860 are only accessible through their golden walls yeah okay no it's just on its face wrong you could

00:32:00.660 use all the five dollar words you want it doesn't it that's not how it works i've read the book

00:32:05.140 and you actually spend most of your time convincing people that they shouldn't read it that's an

00:32:10.460 interesting yeah yeah yeah these guys are so backwards so it's like it's just funny how it

00:32:15.400 trickles down like we're on their scent from the orthodox idea to then it always kind of comes back

00:32:22.480 to own benjamin somehow it is weird yeah right i mean he has this uncanny ability i think to see 0.75

00:32:27.700 bullshit and then to uh harass it until it starts squirming yeah and then when it's squirming i mean

00:32:32.860 now it's now it's on the world stage and people are are missing it in a in a big way i think yeah 0.99

00:32:37.500 And I'm always making the constant reminder like, hey, this guy is like one of three prominent online speakers for the Orthodox Church.

00:32:46.020 You know what's interesting?

00:32:46.800 Do with that what you will.

00:32:47.900 Both these guys, by the way, both Jay and Andrew, I've made tweets about it.

00:32:52.980 I didn't draw this correlation until right now in very recent, you know, maybe the past few months or something where I saw something they were saying.

00:33:01.960 One was Jay in somebody's DMs and the other one was Andrew just outright. 0.99

00:33:05.700 And Andrew is saying something to someone and it's like, take your L like a good little bitch, another head for my trophy wall. 0.99

00:33:16.000 And I and I tweeted and he got mad at this. 0.99

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00:35:39.720 There's something about a dude who looks like, I forgot what I said, soft serve, who's making threats that is incredibly off-putting.

00:35:51.140 You know what I mean? Like this idea that a dude should be weak wristed, can't open the pickle jar, looks like shit. 1.00

00:35:55.820 But he's making like the way he's talking is like these are this is what you would say to somebody you just defeated in a physical battle. 1.00

00:36:01.760 Another head for my trophy wall. Like, what the fuck are we talking about? 0.99

00:36:04.980 And Jay Dyer did the exact same thing where I said, like the tweet I said was like, these are this this is language you would use before physical violence. 0.99

00:36:14.140 You know, watch it. And then both of these guys are engaging in debates that I don't think anybody is actually better for.

00:36:20.240 I don't think there's been this synthesis of ideas.

00:36:23.900 I don't think there's been this revelation of the truth through any of these things.

00:36:27.440 It really is just the pseudo intellectual equivalent of a fistfight, right?

00:36:33.560 But from dudes that can't fistfight.

00:36:36.200 So I don't know what that is.

00:36:38.520 Like, it's very strange to me that these guys are on the world stage right now and they're

00:36:42.080 they're doing debates and they've garnered whatever. 0.99

00:36:44.180 but it's all just fucking dudes that can't fight that are thinking that they're engaging in a fight 0.99

00:36:51.240 that's really what it looks like to me from the outside he literally was saying something about 0.99

00:36:55.080 like a debate battle or something like that when he was in the thing with with candace back to and

00:37:00.200 so i'm somewhat fascinated and i'll leave this kind of to your interpretation but it's kind of

00:37:03.720 my question too which is so back in on the 1900s early 1900s uh you know this nation for the most

00:37:10.020 part was Christian. So then churches, this is my understanding, churches for the most part were

00:37:14.860 like, how do we get people to our side since everyone already kind of believes in God? Well,

00:37:19.900 it's fire and brimstone. And I don't know if that's kind of their, my point, I guess, is what

00:37:25.340 do you think their goal is for debating religion? Are they trying to convert people or are they

00:37:30.220 just trying to get L's to put on their mantle? I would say they're not trying to convert anybody. 0.82

00:37:35.800 the salvation of people seems to be at the bottom i don't even i mean we had somebody in the chat a

00:37:41.000 moment ago was like i didn't even know fucking andrew was christian um yeah that's i i don't

00:37:47.020 know i guess that depends on your interpretation of salvation it doesn't mean having a living 0.91

00:37:51.360 relationship with god or does it mean being uh like a dues-paying member to a 501c3 organization

00:37:56.660 because right when you get the biggest platform in the world or one of the biggest platforms like

00:38:01.080 uh tucker carlson um you can go on i mean there's a there's a glaring example owen benjamin goes on

00:38:07.740 and he talks about everything he wrote in his book family values what comedy is what truth is

00:38:14.140 pushes that forward that's his scripture jay goes on and talks about how to proliferate the

00:38:20.620 orthodox church not god not jesus like that's secondary or tertiary to whatever this is so

00:38:28.840 So what they're trying to do, that's up to you to decide, but it's definitely not what

00:38:34.080 I think it is.

00:38:34.800 It's not about God.

00:38:36.560 Okay.

00:38:36.980 So with that in mind, that's where I'm at too.

00:38:39.000 That then to me is anytime you have these discussions, I don't mind.

00:38:43.440 Like someone put in here like, argue the points, not the man.

00:38:46.300 And I'm like, well, I'm sorry.

00:38:47.180 These men, they are putting themselves forward, their personal lives, their tough guy image,

00:38:53.740 all these little things here.

00:38:54.960 It's not about them.

00:38:56.040 How do we get you to X, Y, and Z?

00:38:58.000 even to win debates. It's literally scores. It's no different than the guy going out there trying

00:39:03.760 to how many notches on my belt can I get with these women? It's just a little different game 1.00

00:39:07.800 that they're playing. And I don't even know that any of it is more moral than the other.

00:39:12.180 So my point is I then feel justified in pushing back and somewhat mocking them as well as their

00:39:19.140 positions. And like I've said over and over here, Candace could be completely wrong on what she's

00:39:24.800 arguing, but he made an embarrassment of himself and he didn't go in there. He disrespected.

00:39:30.120 I get paid to represent clients in court and no one's paying me 300 grand to go and represent.

00:39:38.740 And I feel such like a responsibility to do my best for the amount I do get paid. And I couldn't

00:39:45.640 imagine forking over. Let's say, let's give the benefit of the doubt. This is he and his wife's

00:39:50.320 money oh my god what do you how much money do you have because there's no way this is this is a big

00:39:56.380 percentage of his his wealth you could have bought a house there's no i couldn't believe doing this

00:40:01.360 and then going in there so unprepared at least you could have got more clicks and views that's

00:40:05.660 got to be his goal on this i don't know it's it's confusing to me well what what what did so i mean

00:40:10.820 this idea was did tyler robinson you know kill charlie kirk it was there an alternative that 0.56

00:40:17.340 was presented by by candace i mean it almost sounds like a stupid question but like i said 0.69

00:40:21.460 i've not really looked at this at all i've been i've been watching candace from afar in a very

00:40:25.940 touch and go way i'll just look over every once in a while i find her interesting i think she is

00:40:29.980 smart um she's a lot of fun i think she's a lot of fun i don't get this feeling from her in any

00:40:37.480 way that i get from like andrew where i look over and i go like that person seems to be a piece of 0.94

00:40:41.260 shit um i don't i don't get that at all from her so what is she arguing what is there an alternative 0.91

00:40:46.620 or just not tyler robinson so i i watched i do believe like her show is like must see because 0.95

00:40:53.940 it's um it's it's just fascinating and like i'm not buying you know all of it at all but i just

00:40:59.800 like to know and like i said before the best part for me patrick bet david when this whole thing

00:41:04.420 came down he had this guy eric bowling on now if you remember who eric bowling is he used to be on

00:41:08.620 fox he'd do some financial stuff his son uh died from an overdose in like 2018 or so um you know

00:41:16.140 so they're trying to get drugs out of whatever he goes on there and says uh candace and charlie

00:41:21.000 were never friends you know like they haven't talked to each other since 2018 and um they're

00:41:27.220 like oh and you're a board member he's like yeah yeah i'm a board member well you look up online

00:41:30.980 he's not a board member he's an honorary board member which is like uh you know uh oj simpson

00:41:36.200 getting a degree at at harvard just for you know being a celebrity right so he he lets these lies

00:41:42.360 perpetrate he then says stuff about candace so my point of watching her is to kind of combat and to

00:41:47.960 see what who's lying about her and why and like i said it's always a typical reason what was your

00:41:54.860 question um was there an alternative proposal oh yeah so so the the debate itself was he says

00:42:01.960 there's overwhelming evidence uh that tyler robertson killed charlie kurt and she said

00:42:06.920 there's overwhelming evidence uh that he is a patsy so if you do look into what she says she's

00:42:13.080 never said that tyler robinson wasn't involved because patsy would be you're you're involved

00:42:17.840 somehow but you weren't the instigator necessarily you're the puppet in a sense so that's really what

00:42:22.480 she says and you know her real big deal i don't know some of the stuff is interesting some of it

00:42:27.580 isn't we'll see um but there's there's some holes and the problem with all these people is they want

00:42:32.600 it to be a lefty. They want it to be a lefty transfer. And that's been crumbling. And so that

00:42:39.480 narrative is really important to like a Jack Posobiec. So he's really got to have this. And

00:42:43.640 so everything is just before you go to court, it's a done deal. And, you know, me as an attorney who

00:42:49.140 likes watching trials and puts them on a lot, it's a little bit more interesting to see how the facts

00:42:53.860 shake out. You know, that whole Patsy thing is fascinating. I mean, from from a thousand foot

00:43:00.300 overview the entire charlie kirk assassination is um really bizarre and inconsistent there's a lot

00:43:08.340 of things we talk about in the context of it looking like a jfk assassination where there's so

00:43:11.940 many uh idiosyncrasies or so many things that stand out as bizarre that you could feasibly

00:43:18.660 pick this apart you know for generations and it's why it's why i stopped looking at it um yeah i

00:43:24.260 don't want to end up down the rabbit hole whereas like i'm the charlie kirk guy you're like you

00:43:28.440 could become the jfk assassination it's become very evident to me that that's exactly what this

00:43:33.260 is it's definitely not what they're telling you um remember when we watched it live and i said

00:43:38.040 that there was gonna we're like if this is gonna be an mk ultra you know shooter type situation

00:43:44.340 keep an eye out we said this live on the show keep an eye out for like something that indicates a

00:43:49.560 patsy was that not the same shooting or you know shooting air quotes for the listeners um where a

00:43:56.960 guy came out with his pants down and was screaming i'm a patsy that was immediate that was immediate

00:44:02.240 yeah that was a guy named george zinn who by the way was associated with other uh major

00:44:09.300 catastrophes the boston uh marathon bombing i think he was there for the boston marathon bombing

00:44:14.100 i want to say 9-11 but um if i'm not mistaken it was both of those things and then he had some

00:44:19.200 kiddie porn later on his computer so you know yeah so the problem is you have and this is

00:44:24.060 fascinating so um multiple conspiracy people they are they they hate candace and this is all a psyop

00:44:31.780 and you know so in that which is weird to me that you you buy into one conspiracy but then you're

00:44:37.140 just the feds are good on this one so i don't always know where to go with this stuff and like

00:44:42.240 i said it's entertaining and i'm going to my my biggest uh issue here is one to to make fun of

00:44:47.060 andrew and then two is when you're talking about the court stuff to try to uh actually look at

00:44:52.080 what's being filed, what's being said, to give some sort of clarification. If you want to,

00:44:56.820 we can go into any of that. But anything about the shooting itself, too, I know somewhat I'm

00:45:02.280 not the expert on all that. I want to ask your opinion, because it's almost unprecedented to

00:45:09.760 have a debate. It's called the Great Debate. It's unprecedented to have a media engagement

00:45:16.260 this big about an ongoing court case.

00:45:20.080 Yeah.

00:45:20.820 How does that affect the court case?

00:45:23.160 The jury, does it affect it at all?

00:45:25.080 Have you seen any abnormalities

00:45:26.740 or is it still too early to tell?

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00:47:47.460 Well, you're going to have this with any high-profile case.

00:47:50.820 The fascinating part of what you're saying there is, and I'll just use Jack Sobiak as kind of like the standard bearer

00:47:56.600 because he's just kind of, you know, he's the binder holder and all that.

00:48:00.260 he gets pumped into it. But he's basically been arguing that Candace and his types,

00:48:06.200 she's doing a real big disservice. TPSA, Andrew Colvin, and these guys are saying this. She's

00:48:10.140 doing a real big disservice because she's tainting the jury pool. Yet they'll go online and say,

00:48:15.420 100%, matter of fact, we should be putting him up against the fence right now and shooting him.

00:48:19.540 And I'm like, well, you're also tainting the jury pool. So the judge has to do what he can. 0.87

00:48:25.380 And in this environment, it's going to stay in Utah. They haven't done a motion to change

00:48:30.240 venues because what would that do? It's not like Charlie was from Utah. You know, Tyler is, but

00:48:35.580 I mean, you know, the press and all that, what they've done is tried to do a gag order to some

00:48:40.360 extent. So the attorneys aren't speaking. Um, the, uh, and this is where, let me get back to this.

00:48:46.540 So Andrew in his thing, um, there's there, uh, the parents quote unquote, turn Tyler in. Now

00:48:53.720 they did, they had a preliminary hearing. They didn't testify about this. So he's like, why are

00:48:57.960 the parents not coming out and defending their child that's saying that they didn't turn him in

00:49:01.660 and they don't believe it's her. So the problem is there's a gag order. The judge put a gag order

00:49:06.940 on all witnesses. Now, they argued there was like 300. Everyone saw this online. Who's a witness and

00:49:13.960 not? So they said anyone that might be called by the defense or the prosecution. His parents,

00:49:21.000 if they turned him in or if they had something, they're going to need to have that testimony.

00:49:24.960 They are a witness. They can't be speaking. As a matter of fact, one of the prosecutors spoke to

00:49:30.240 TMZ to try to quell. At one point, there was a debate about a bullet had come out. It wasn't

00:49:36.640 matched to the gun. And he just said something to try to clarify. They filed contempt issues

00:49:41.260 against him. The defense did. He found guilty on one. So the attorneys themselves are governed with

00:49:46.820 making sure that the witnesses that they may call are not speaking. And if it does come back,

00:49:51.100 it can have some repercussions. So definitely the parents are not talking. One, they just don't want

00:49:56.280 to do that. But two, they're under a gag order. And, you know, Andrew's like, why aren't they

00:50:00.920 talking? Oh, you think a gag order is going to stop him? It's like, yeah, actually a contempt

00:50:05.800 of court is a pretty serious thing, which can be a problem. Matter of fact, now jury instructions

00:50:10.420 are going to be read because the prosecutor said a little thing offhanded to TMZ. So yes.

00:50:16.900 can you talk a little bit about that um that bullet that wasn't matched to the gun i mean

00:50:21.280 i remember that was a couple of months ago um it was it was i'll say what i think but i don't know

00:50:28.060 it sounded like the bullet found on the gurney well because it's it's one of these things like

00:50:31.840 a rorschach test where it's like uh ian carroll's out there and he's going the bullet doesn't match

00:50:36.540 the gun and and then the the articles that i've read about it the official articles say no it's

00:50:42.380 it's just a bullet fragment and it does match. And I'm just kind of like, the misinformation

00:50:46.140 in both directions is insane with this case. So they couldn't definitively match it. It doesn't

00:50:53.460 mean it's disqualified. It just means that they couldn't match it. So yeah. Is it a factor?

00:50:59.020 It's a fragment of so, you know, but that is a problem, right? It's not that this is a definitive

00:51:04.480 that, you know, the Ian Carroll types are coming out and saying, oh, it wasn't the bullet. It's

00:51:09.440 like, well, no, it just says that it's indeterminate whether this bullet, because it's been

00:51:14.620 fragmented. So you're going to have to make some conclusions here. But both sides, we just had this

00:51:19.640 the other day is before the debate. So they had a preliminary hearing and then the defense files

00:51:24.960 a brief and they make all kinds of reasons why this preliminary hearing didn't go the way the

00:51:29.900 prosecution wants and that this should not go to trial. And in there, they're going, you know,

00:51:35.920 here's the charges here's why they didn't do it and then they make a comment they say in

00:51:39.800 arguendo which is let's assume for the fact we're not conceding but let's assume for the fact that

00:51:45.380 x y and z happened now here's why you don't have the data to back this up you know as they're

00:51:50.940 saying that they're like see they're even admitting that he shot charlie kirk but there's like no

00:51:55.380 in the alternative that we go down this route now these extra elements have to be met and that

00:52:01.920 didn't take place so you get both sides just you know out of control because they don't know

00:52:07.060 sometimes how to read court documents and so you know sometimes they they get a little and i'll

00:52:12.020 i don't feel like you know i'm blowing up candace but she's been sued so many so many times that

00:52:18.740 she actually when she reads court documents and then she relays them back to you i'm like

00:52:22.500 she's actually she knows what she's talking about so because she's had to go through this

00:52:27.380 yeah for her own sanctity this is one of my holdups with candace as well where i'm like she

00:52:31.660 she's a great sleuth and going through a lot of information but as a conspiracy theorist yeah we

00:52:36.880 know a lot of conspiracy theorists that tell you conspiracies yeah and we'll tell you some

00:52:42.460 just off the top of our heads and just run with it and some of them are real fun and engaging

00:52:47.600 and all of a sudden it's the truth you know and it's like yeah i'm very careful with her because

00:52:53.380 she's she's a good orator and she's been well trained at what she does she's i mean had

00:52:58.200 correspondence with kirk for a long time these these are all really good people in the space

00:53:02.120 that could push it push a message message so it's like well what does she want to push well this is

00:53:07.160 that and this whole thing is like is is so layered um because it's so what do we already highlight

00:53:13.580 we highlighted uh the patsy with the dude with his uh pants down where was the fragment found

00:53:19.020 the bullet fragment was it found on his on his shirt in his body okay i thought it was found on

00:53:25.040 his on his shirt i was like what the hell is that just please this is in a pocket so so of course

00:53:28.980 you also have the the whether or not it's the microphone that exploded they're tearing up the

00:53:33.180 concrete uh you know where this entire thing tearing it and repaving it i don't again is

00:53:38.120 that standard procedure right i don't know and then you have uh vivek not vivette ramaswamy i

00:53:42.980 always confuse these guys kash patel and he comes out and he says you know we have the watch i'll

00:53:47.760 see you in valhalla and there's a picture i pulled up the thing so it's uh tyler robinson and it's

00:53:53.700 not pulled up on screen it's a whole video i don't want to do that but tyler robinson has a

00:53:57.720 picture from his dorm uh where he's standing in front of his pc and his pc has an image of an

00:54:02.860 island and the island is called goat island and if you look up goat island on it there's a place

00:54:07.220 called valhalla danish house and valhalla danish house is supposedly a witness protection program

00:54:12.280 and the huge conspiracy with it is that they're moving people from high profile you know conspiracies

00:54:17.940 and and you know cases around the world like you know real big ones like this one here's a problem

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00:56:39.000 going to talk to yourself for an hour you might as well publish it yeah if you say that it very

00:56:44.520 well could be true but the tp usa crowd is going to just immediately dismiss you talking about i'm 0.98

00:56:49.720 not saying that's true what i'm saying is the amount of shit on this case is i mean and then 0.68

00:56:56.920 you go into candace owens and it's like uh charlie kirk was in the gate program and very interesting 0.99

00:57:04.740 And streetlights would react when he went by and we had telepathic communications for fuck's sake. 0.95

00:57:12.600 The amount of conspiracies layered on top of this thing is insane. 0.97

00:57:17.500 Yeah, you've been doing more than just looking over there at Candace.

00:57:19.860 You've been having a good eye.

00:57:21.400 We see the esoteric stuff.

00:57:23.580 This is stuff that you're not going to see covered by the general media.

00:57:27.900 This stuff will get your case thrown out.

00:57:30.180 Oh, yeah, in court.

00:57:30.840 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:31.000 to us it's interesting it's interesting layers that a person like candace would it's like you

00:57:36.140 took an episode to mention this and then you talked about king nimrod and the nephilim for

00:57:39.840 a week and then right back on to charlie kirk and i'm like i'm fucking watching i'm seeing that 0.96

00:57:44.720 three three things first of all uh catch patel he's so dumb i don't know that he knows anything 0.95

00:57:51.300 that he's doing anything secret you you can't necessarily take something nefarious and 0.99

00:57:55.780 associate it with him because he's just a dumbest guy out there he's a vedic dude right he's 0.99

00:58:00.980 he's not christian this is an indian dude a hindu dude whatever it could be right he's got his own 0.99

00:58:05.060 pantheon it could be right and he's in it i'm not even saying that to attribute malice to him 0.99

00:58:10.220 i'm just saying what the why is he saying more likely he is dumb he is a vedic dude that is 0.93

00:58:15.880 referencing a nordic yeah he's right he's referencing uh the the land of the dead for 0.97

00:58:21.780 nordic gods but it does sound cool or or anybody who dies in battle in norse mythology or so what

00:58:27.860 is going on how how are you layering these things how are you looking at a dude a white dude in a

00:58:32.640 in a christian nation as a as a hindu you know who's saying that uh you're gonna see him in 0.82

00:58:38.560 valhalla i agree with tyler chalk that up to retarded i do yeah number what's your second 0.77

00:58:43.340 thing so the second thing is uh the candace i had mentioned this to pete quinones where it's like 0.74

00:58:48.160 what do you take into like do you really want to knock candace because she's doing some things i

00:58:53.640 have a normie sister okay um tp usa type you know you actually her daughter had worked for 1.00

00:58:58.240 she is down the candace route where the israel thing is a problem right and that never would

00:59:05.060 have happened candace got her there who else is doing that so he's like do you just let her ramble

00:59:10.080 about all kinds of other stuff uh that i don't really care about but my sister's at least okay

00:59:14.000 with like the uh you know the israel shit i think that's good um the last one candace you gotta also 0.68

00:59:22.220 remember, which is fascinating to me. She has made so many claims about evidence in this case, 0.96

00:59:30.220 text messages specifically, that have just effed over the other side. Josh Hammers, TPUSA,

00:59:36.840 they may come out, they say, that never happened. Next thing you know, we have this text message

00:59:40.360 where essentially Charlie Kirk, I put it, that he had a deathbed conversion away from the Israel

00:59:46.700 cause. He was a Zionist. And on his deathbed, he's essentially going, I believe in God or 0.61

00:59:52.680 whatever. I don't believe in this anymore. And that was huge. And they lied about all that. So

00:59:57.920 you're getting some of these things coming out. And I don't really, the trial and all this other

01:00:02.660 stuff, it's interesting to me. But what's happening to getting some of this stuff squared

01:00:07.800 away with TPUSA, some of these Zionists, I think that to me is the interesting and the important 1.00

01:00:14.500 part and it is interesting when you see uh nick fuentes lucas gage uh andrew kind of just siding 0.95

01:00:20.780 with uh that ilk all of a sudden when they were supposed to be this you know almost like they're

01:00:25.860 running they're running defense right yeah yeah yeah and so you do have that instance of the of

01:00:31.000 the text messages and i believe there was some other uh people who had a relationship with charlie

01:00:35.440 who were saying like his he was expressing sentiments of fear dude it gets so weird too

01:00:41.420 because then you have the tim pool thing where somehow you know in the in the the the ride to

01:00:46.600 the hospital he's getting phone calls from from his team and then of course you know tim's got

01:00:52.400 his closed door meetings with benjamin netting yahoo chatham house rules whatever um layers 0.87

01:00:57.480 upon layer upon that's why it's almost completely retarded to me to set out to have a debate on this 0.86

01:01:04.640 because there is so much about this that's still totally in flux nothing's been settled i mean you 0.80

01:01:10.220 have the court case or whatever but to have a debate about a thing is to insinuate you're going

01:01:15.260 to come to the truth about a thing and i feel like right now we're so far from the truth given even

01:01:22.540 just half the crap that we talked about you know in this 47 minutes uh how could you ever deign to

01:01:27.660 sit down and and go we're gonna figure it out we're gonna i know what's going on in court right 0.97

01:01:31.220 now but we're gonna figure it out right here right now and it takes such a concrete position on it

01:01:35.720 to say, yes, Tyler Robinson definitely did do it. I mean, what, what, um, as we're talking about

01:01:41.000 this, I'm just remembering what an unbelievable mess this thing is. Absolutely. And you know,

01:01:47.920 the text messages we're going to have to get through, like you're going to have to get those

01:01:51.700 to, uh, you know, I want to see the metadata. I mean, so let me back up a little bit and what do

01:01:56.700 you, do you guys have any questions or understandings about the preliminary, the preliminary

01:02:00.700 hearing and kind of the legal wranglings that we've gone through? Do you want me to walk you

01:02:03.800 through some of that i mean it's i kind of get it top do you have any questions on that not really

01:02:09.700 they're seeking the death penalty no i mean so the the first trial quote unquote that we had you

01:02:15.120 understand the difference between that and what's going to be taking place later on well go ahead

01:02:18.780 and i'm not going to pretend i do okay yeah not a clue yeah that's that was the correct answer

01:02:23.320 you're supposed to engage me so like oh well let me tell you so you know some places they have a

01:02:30.000 grand jury convenes, and that grand jury then can indict someone, and then you proceed on to

01:02:34.880 a trial, right? And that's to kind of make sure that the charges that the DA is going to bring

01:02:39.500 are going to stick, okay? Now, as they say, you can indict a ham sandwich, so, you know, what is

01:02:44.200 that? So, in some states, they have preliminary hearings, and the preliminary hearing is essentially

01:02:48.380 the same thing, but instead of a grand jury where it's just the prosecution, the defense may not

01:02:53.300 even know this is taking place, the defense gets to somewhat play a part. Now, when you go to trial,

01:02:59.660 you have all kinds of evidentiary procedures and standards. Those are just very, very reduced for

01:03:06.180 preliminary hearing. And hearsay is the biggest issue. Hearsay is an out of court statement made

01:03:11.940 for the truth of the matter asserted. That's the technical definition. So basically, oh, you want

01:03:16.360 someone to talk about whatever they said, bring them into court, they'll testify and we can cross

01:03:20.520 examine them. Now, there's exceptions to all these kinds of hearsay. The point is with a preliminary

01:03:24.480 hearing, it's just reliable hearsay. So you can have a guy up on the stand saying, you know,

01:03:29.020 Jim told me, well, he was told by Bob, so it's like third degrees of hearsay, said to him and

01:03:34.520 he told me and the judge was like, okay, well, that sounds fine. That's never going to pass

01:03:38.940 in trial. Text messages. Oh, here's a screenshot of, no, that's not going to pass as well. You're

01:03:44.980 going to have to have someone, custodial records, you know, for all kinds of things. You're going

01:03:49.860 to have to come in and someone's going to have to testify, chain of evidence. How did this text

01:03:53.740 message, you know, are you sure it's from that device? All this kind of thing. So that did not

01:03:58.180 happened at the preliminary hearing in addition it's really just the um prosecution putting for

01:04:03.500 this this case the defense you know there's another thing andrew doesn't know are you

01:04:07.180 supposing are you supposing then that uh those those text messages from canis owens or from

01:04:13.540 charlie kirk to canis owens are possibly doctored no not those ones i'm talking about the ones from

01:04:19.620 tyler robinson okay to basically admitting that you know he i'd never wanted to be caught but 0.91

01:04:25.540 here i am i'm caught you know those kind of things yeah that seemed that seemed like bullshit like 0.77

01:04:29.120 he's telling all his closest friends how he did this right um how about again not to detract from

01:04:33.920 the case but is that even admissible to the case of the the messages between uh candace and charlie

01:04:39.220 where he's talking about this change of heart like does it matter to towards motive or because

01:04:44.020 it's right so so i mean it could and motive is not an element of a crime as an example it just

01:04:50.680 helps you get there to maybe understand why someone may or may not do something but you

01:04:54.320 don't have to show in court motive. So I'm going to just keep knocking Andrew because he didn't

01:04:59.840 know how court goes. But he's like, why don't they present an alternative theory? Well, one,

01:05:04.140 the preliminary here isn't for that. But even for a defense to present an alternate theory,

01:05:09.180 they've got to have a nexus between what this alternate theory is to the actual case. So if

01:05:14.500 they're going in there and say, hey, Israel did it, you think the judge is going to let them 0.54

01:05:17.600 present evidence? No. You're going to have to show on trial. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to happen.

01:05:23.040 So the, her texts with, with Charlie aren't going to be part of this. That's just not what's going

01:05:28.900 to happen. But the, the text messages between the parties, you know, Tyler admitting that,

01:05:34.340 that's, that's going to likely come in. Yeah. Well, I'll just say one more thing for people

01:05:39.620 maybe wondering, which is in the preliminary hearing, it's all about the, the judge only

01:05:43.880 has to weigh whether the evidence presented gives probable cause to send this to trial.

01:05:49.860 So Andrew's in there arguing in his debate, well, the defense could have put up an alternate

01:05:54.240 theory or they could have brought their own witnesses. It's like the judge has no obligation

01:05:59.960 to listen to their side of the story. He only has to hear the prosecution in a preliminary hearing

01:06:04.960 prosecution and determine whether that is or not. You can bring witnesses to kind of

01:06:09.200 knock down some of the things they've said, but it's just so one-sided. You got to think of it

01:06:13.660 from like a grand jury where there's not even the defense and it's just a little bit better than

01:06:18.060 that so this is really just to see if there's anything worth doing this over yeah and they're

01:06:24.380 gonna push it to trial i mean it's an easy standard so okay so every this case that everybody

01:06:30.580 or you know this hearing obsessing over is it's really just like are we gonna fucking well we

01:06:35.320 haven't even begun yet which is disheartening that's really what it is it hasn't even begun 0.96

01:06:38.620 yet fuck dude we're gonna have to i mean this can go on for how long like years right the decision 1.00

01:06:42.980 until candace has enough money to retire man you should keep taking debates dog she already does 1.00

01:06:49.560 i think she's married to like a lord or something like that yeah yeah yeah yeah that is interesting

01:06:54.140 though because i you know like i said i haven't really looked at this at all but the way you

01:06:58.440 framed it i i understand what you're saying now and and given the the response from the internet

01:07:03.860 you would think that this is the trial is this actually true did uh erica kirk sue to make well

01:07:09.280 speed this up? She didn't sue. Let me back up a bit. So in Utah, you can have a victim. Okay. 0.99

01:07:15.920 Who is the victim in this case? Well, it's Charlie, but it's essentially his wife. So she's

01:07:19.380 been declared that and she has some victim rights. So she actually has counsel in there. 0.99

01:07:23.700 So she's part of this case. She didn't sue, but she has filed motions to make this, let's get

01:07:28.180 this through the courts and make it done. You have a right to a speedy trial as a defendant.

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01:09:48.700 Because if you're going to talk to yourself for an hour, you might as well publish it.

01:09:53.440 But it doesn't mean that you necessarily want a speedy trial.

01:09:56.380 Sometimes you want to wait.

01:09:57.420 Right.

01:09:57.960 Because you need to get all this evidence.

01:09:59.600 There's a lot of evidence going to be in this.

01:10:01.620 So she's asked for this to go speedy.

01:10:03.620 Now the judge has to weigh that.

01:10:05.140 What are her rights and Tyler's rights?

01:10:08.060 Tyler's rights are a little bit, as me, Tyler Robinson's rights are a little bit more paramount than hers are.

01:10:14.480 As I was as I was writing the title of this episode, Candace Owens is real, Tyler Robinson and Tyler Yankee.

01:10:21.800 I was kind of like, oh, it might be different guys, different guys.

01:10:26.140 Yeah, yeah. For the audience, I'd be curious to see.

01:10:29.060 I just dropped a poll in the in the YouTube chat.

01:10:32.280 You know, who done it? Is it is it Tyler? Is it Israel or is it?

01:10:35.540 I don't know, but it's not Tyler, which I think is pretty fair.

01:10:38.740 And I think that's really the position, you know, that that could be strongly argued.

01:10:43.000 isn't that you know definitively who did it but there could be enough doubt sewn on the front

01:10:49.040 that this was clearly a guy with a trans roommate like all the elements to to make the right have 0.96

01:10:57.080 their perfect poster child to you know throw shit at are there and then on top of all that you know 0.99

01:11:02.680 bringing up the the the erica curve thing a moment ago um just an additional layer of bizarre 0.97

01:11:11.640 activity surrounding this case was the was the behavior of of erica kirk and tp usa going forward

01:11:18.320 i mean this whole thing is just um it's a this not necessarily the case but the assassination

01:11:25.120 i find it fascinating not because of like the ins and outs of the details of the bullet and

01:11:30.500 i find it fascinating because in reality what you have is two sides of the right

01:11:35.200 yeah you've got this uh tim pool sign you know i don't want to say tim pool tim pool had nothing

01:11:40.820 to do with this most likely but you have that side that narrative that is old yeah i know

01:11:46.780 supposedly uh it's old and it's dying right and that was evident when me and clint went on his

01:11:52.780 show we were watching it was it's actually interesting to think about that time period

01:11:55.920 um he was freaking out about the disagreement between stephen crowder and the daily wire at

01:12:02.660 the time and there was like money flying around and he was he was very stressed out and i couldn't

01:12:09.940 figure out why and i'm like oh it's like it's the daily wire there's probably some foreign interests

01:12:15.500 in this they wanted to uh grab up crowder's show and crowder said that he was like it was like rape

01:12:22.040 or something like that right i don't remember the exact terms that he used but what he was like what

01:12:26.180 they're trying to buy me for is like and it seemed like they were strong arming them and tim was

01:12:30.700 very worried about this so these are like three major players in that that sphere that i'm talking

01:12:36.040 about this right the old right wing sphere that believes they're good on enough topics to be bad

01:12:42.480 on some of this other shit you know and they still maintain some sort of influence but less and less

01:12:47.300 every day and Charlie was sitting on the fence there and he can he can go either way and now 0.94

01:12:52.040 the new thing for the right is Israel right if you notice Israel you're kind of like the new right 0.62

01:12:56.620 and you're able to do more although I guess Nick Fuentes noticed and then kind of hop the fence 0.88

01:13:01.280 back over to where the money is and took that you can't ever tell gay men really where they're

01:13:06.700 going to go so he's all over the place can we talk about um this whole thing reminds me of

01:13:13.340 our good old days on tower gang because i was mocking you for in a joking way for your appearance

01:13:20.340 on tim pool and you're like tyler this is like quote you're like you don't understand i'm sitting 0.51

01:13:25.520 there there's like four jewish yeah there you go four jewish lawyers sitting off the side

01:13:30.280 but if you also remember candace went on tim pool and argued about this whole thing because she was 0.99

01:13:36.860 defending the daily wire at the time she was there the week we were there oh not the same time as her

01:13:42.360 were you we were there a couple days after her and right before the hodge twins yeah right because

01:13:47.860 then and then so her and um steven crowder had beef and they still do to this day because i think

01:13:53.440 because she's a black woman and he's a closeted gay man i don't know their whole dynamic but um 0.97

01:13:59.200 It's kind of fascinating that, you know, you're in the mix of that thing and that it was the dumbest debate to have to have you there for with. 0.96

01:14:06.580 But yeah. Yeah. And the problem is, is that like if I if I was there today, I would have had a lot more to say and I probably would have gotten in trouble for it. 0.72

01:14:15.980 But like, I didn't know who knew what the fuck is going on here. Yeah. I'm in the middle of this like domestic dispute that I have zero details and we don't even know what's happening because it's happening underground. 0.98

01:14:25.480 but now as things play out i'm able to look back and go oh this was this was stirring for a long

01:14:32.500 time because i'm telling you yeah i can what i can really do especially in person is read people

01:14:38.160 i can see especially if someone's kind of like tense angry the level of anger that tim had during

01:14:44.920 that show i was like this isn't normal this is not no i've been around angry people i get angry

01:14:50.080 it wasn't well well you are you're like puerto rican in front of him he might have just been

01:14:54.980 worried that you're going to get nervous like asking where security is and how come valuables

01:14:59.140 are being left out maybe i would i would have picked up if he was nervous about me but like

01:15:03.180 he didn't even care i was in the room you know wow that's crazy yeah it was that level of pressure

01:15:08.040 and whatever the point is that this leads up to these factions of noticing israel and then charlie

01:15:12.820 kirk seems to have noticed israel right at the right time and then that culminates you know it's 0.95

01:15:18.400 all online shit and twitter things until finally somebody gets their head blown off and and that's

01:15:23.920 the action of of all this rhetoric on both sides that pull so that's why like this whole thing is 0.96

01:15:30.080 very interesting to me yeah honestly i i texted dave smith i was like yo be careful yeah it became 0.94

01:15:36.760 this reality that like fucking be careful dude you're out there you're going to candace's house 0.63

01:15:40.700 or whatever you're doing i'm just like you are so deep in it might have been better off telling 0.99

01:15:44.720 dick jokes on legion of skanks yeah right he doesn't answer my dms anymore probably smart 0.97

01:15:51.020 What do you, what do you, what was the official explanation or was any given at all for them removing like the, the grass and the sod and then putting in concrete pavers where, uh, where Charlie was shot in such rapid fashion. 0.62

01:16:06.100 It was a lot of blood.

01:16:07.640 Right. But, but it's an active power spray, right? I don't know.

01:16:11.240 Well, it's an active crime scene. I don't know in, in what sort of a window they replaced those, um, those pavers.

01:16:19.620 so i have it here that it was uh on oh that's funny um so the payment for the cleanup for the

01:16:29.720 shooting incident was issued on september 11th which is pretty funny never forget never forget

01:16:35.620 um but when did the when did the assassination take place and what is the i mean a day a day

01:16:42.140 later uh they're cleaning up a crime scene or paying to clean up a crime scene so why did it

01:16:46.720 happened on september 10th yeah what so okay september 10th is that really when he shot the

01:16:52.360 10th was when he was shot the point is it was that weekend it was it was done so so he shot

01:16:57.620 on the 10th and the 11th uh uvu um an emergency payment record was initiated on september 11th

01:17:06.680 so so the records for the payment are the very next day the day after the shooting yeah six

01:17:11.540 thousand ninety dollars and fifty two cents described as cleanup for the shooting incident

01:17:16.580 and what they do is they remove the grass and the soil from where kirk was shot and they replace it

01:17:23.940 with concrete pavers 24 hours after it so it's an active crime scene there's all kinds of valuable

01:17:30.700 evidence potentially in and around this area and immediately the university issues a payment to

01:17:37.540 get it cleaned up and they replace everything and like what what was there is that even talked about 0.99

01:17:41.940 within you know um any sort of legal documents as far as the uh how at least how fucking stupid 0.98

01:17:49.640 that is as far as evidence trying to remember if during the any of the cross-examination it was 0.88

01:17:55.240 brought up um it is odd and you know i don't know if you guys watched the julian dory he had a

01:18:01.220 forensic guy that's like pretty famous on there with uh this guy baron coleman who does a lot of

01:18:05.800 work. He's an attorney. I don't know. These people don't have real jobs. You just go on online all

01:18:09.260 day like you. Um, but he's like, he's like, it's ridiculous. You know, we've often, we'll pop up, 0.98

01:18:15.160 uh, flooring. We'll keep it as evidence is it's ridiculous that you would pave over this. Cause

01:18:19.820 you never know what's in there. I think the assumption is, and then the FBI comes in and

01:18:23.900 it's, it's interesting. There's a lot of little things like this just along the way that just

01:18:27.260 normal police would do correct. And then, you know, um, cash Patel comes out from Valhalla

01:18:32.500 all the way there. He gets a little girl's jacket and he's ready to be the FBI. And there's a lot

01:18:37.740 of mistakes. And people are like, well, that happens. And it's just like, well, wait, what

01:18:42.860 you got to, you know, the Michael Malice comment, is it malice or is it incompetence? And I don't

01:18:47.820 know which one it is. So at the very least, we would label that incompetence, right? Because

01:18:52.880 precious evidence could be useful is now gone and lost forever because of, quote, this is what it

01:19:00.480 said what it said on the invoice was cleanup for shooting incident shooting incident is a very

01:19:05.820 funny way to describe that too uh but yeah so i mean this whole thing once again layers and layers 0.91

01:19:11.820 of bullshit um this is kind of what candace has been picking up on and this is also why 1.00

01:19:16.460 i guess her popularity is even growing more it's because there's so much incompetence but at a 1.00

01:19:21.900 certain point like and that doesn't that's not admissible in court right if it's just incompetence 0.56

01:19:26.360 It's just kind of labeled it as incompetence over and over.

01:19:29.280 I mean there's been cases – I don't know if you guys watched Karen Reed.

01:19:34.960 It was a criminal case back east.

01:19:37.120 She – her boyfriend ends up dead on a wintry night where she may have or may not have backed into him.

01:19:45.760 Maybe he was in arguing with other police officers, whatever.

01:19:48.560 The police were so incompetent in a lot of their things.

01:19:52.040 You started to have arguments that perhaps it was a cover-up.

01:19:56.120 OK, because you don't know necessarily what now she gets she got retried.

01:19:59.920 She got a hung jury the first time and then retried and she was not convicted.

01:20:04.920 And they really went hard on the incompetence over and over and over, because if you have

01:20:08.680 all this incompetence, you can't then tie like example, you're going to have to say

01:20:13.100 Tyler Robertson, OK, was on campus.

01:20:15.740 He he climbed the stairs.

01:20:17.780 He made the shot.

01:20:18.900 You know, the bullet is in match to this gun.

01:20:21.040 This gun was that bullet and da da da.

01:20:23.000 And if you have all kinds of problems even getting there, like incompetence that has this chain of – then you're going to have to infer a lot of things.

01:20:32.180 And now you're leaving things up to the jury to do this.

01:20:34.120 It's called resiblocutor, which is like – it's the obvious situation of what may or may not have happened.

01:20:40.660 But you still have to get there, such as Eric Clapton, right?

01:20:45.420 His son is on the balcony and you find his son at the bottom of the building dead.

01:20:51.520 you assume that he fell out the window, right? That's a good assumption to make.

01:20:55.680 Those are the kind of assumptions you're going to have to do logical conclusions for.

01:20:59.520 And if there's open ones or the police are just doing incompetence and you can actually get stuff

01:21:03.700 thrown out, now you don't have that chain. And then the jump is even much more to try to get

01:21:08.900 those inferences. So yeah, incompetence can be a big deal. Yeah. And then you would have to attribute

01:21:13.960 incompetence to, there's multiple reports or at least, I don't know if they're reports or

01:21:20.380 anecdotal stories or you know uh testimony that is happening online i don't know if these people

01:21:25.100 are giving it but i know i've stumbled across these stories you know veracity of which you

01:21:29.800 have to be determined i'm sure but people are saying they were informing authorities on the 0.81

01:21:34.940 scene that they could fucking see him on the roof that they saw him uh you know acting suspiciously

01:21:41.300 potentially carrying things that looked like weapons that he was laying on the roof and that 0.97

01:21:46.080 they told police about this and they did nothing about it well same thing for the uh butler shooting

01:21:51.840 with trump right oh you know what i i could i was gonna say i think you're talking about butler i

01:21:55.460 only saw one video of someone seeing someone up there yeah yeah yeah i know i think i'm actually

01:21:59.680 but even that so so okay so then then what we're not gonna look into this well so apparently there

01:22:06.200 was evidence uh that the rooftop it was a uh was a danger um kirk's okay so kirk's own security

01:22:15.060 chief warned uh the university police about the rooftop two days beforehand i think that they

01:22:20.520 even had like uh permits for drones because they they did have like drone security around and

01:22:25.520 that's fairly common for you know now you're going to get into the weeds here so there's all kinds of 0.65

01:22:30.860 problems and this is the deal with which is just fed candace which is tpusa comes out with some

01:22:37.060 comments and then you disprove them later on and one of those things is the drones are like oh we

01:22:42.020 couldn't fly drones. They wouldn't permit us to fly drones. Then you talk to UVU or you get

01:22:46.600 messages that are like, no, first of all, there were drones up there. So someone was flying them

01:22:51.620 and then UVU is like, no, you could have flown drones. Where are you getting this? So these are

01:22:56.940 just little, it may just be incompetence. This hard pool guy that's head of security, he's suing

01:23:02.480 Candace. But it's like, what are your damages? Your number one superstar celebrity gets killed

01:23:10.840 on your watch i don't know how do you say you weren't uh doing your job right you know i don't

01:23:16.440 care what i say it doesn't put i can't get a job now okay well maybe because charlie's neck is all

01:23:21.420 over utah i don't know you know and we were talking about those kind of um influencers

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01:25:48.840 So when that video came out of that blurry little dude on a blurry rooftop

01:25:54.260 that was completely indiscernible as to who this person is,

01:25:58.360 it was received, or at least when it was breaking on the internet,

01:26:01.100 as like it's done it's put to bed we have i think even the phrase crystal clear evidence

01:26:06.760 4k 4k and this is like a mass of pixels that you cannot even you can barely identify as a body

01:26:15.060 but that has hasn't that been clarified lately there i i haven't been paying attention to that

01:26:19.780 part of the case but there is a more like high resolution picture and now there's a debate of

01:26:24.340 like is this guy even tyler so no which the the problem is they said we saw crystal clear for in

01:26:30.520 4k him shoot charlie kirk so it's that video on the roof then candace comes out with that video

01:26:36.960 that they showed in court and it's blurry the the other one that you're talking about is they

01:26:42.640 this is what's crazy and and i don't it's gonna you know ferret itself out at trial because we've

01:26:48.360 had you know you guys remember um written house i don't know if you watch that one it's like

01:26:51.840 pinch and zoom on the all kinds of stuff with videos well they show video of the parking lot

01:26:57.880 they showed it on there okay on at the preliminary hearing and they're like this is Tyler coming in

01:27:02.820 now Candace gets her hands on this and she shows a different video and she's like what they showed

01:27:07.660 in court was compressed and I think that's what you're talking about where the cars look all tiny

01:27:12.000 and he looks super thin and then she has the uncompressed video and it looks like more like

01:27:16.940 Clint Russell compared to you know like someone thin and tiny so you're like oh now I don't know

01:27:23.060 so, so it's, it's crazy town. And you know, when you, you hope when you go to court that the

01:27:28.940 attorneys are great on both sides, that they're not going to let compressed video come in,

01:27:32.800 they're going to have, you know, better video. Cause me personally, let's say this kid did it.

01:27:38.220 I want to, I want it to be open and shut that this is the case, right? I don't want any kind

01:27:43.660 of like, Oh, it's a blurry video. It may have been him. I want it open and shut. So we just

01:27:47.960 don't have all this. We didn't need more JFK stuff going on for years and years. Oh, it's,

01:27:51.700 it's fun but yeah yeah there was even some of that video footage where the guy is crawling in

01:27:57.900 such a fashion and even though it's you know it's hard to see and it's highly pixelated very blurry

01:28:02.720 um that the method he's using for crawling is one that is very specific to the military like

01:28:09.540 you would have to have gone through some sort of training and i guess that's not necessarily true

01:28:13.380 right anybody can look up a youtube video if you watch call of duty if you have you if you watch

01:28:16.980 call of duty. I'm sure you could, but it does make it less likely that it's this, you know,

01:28:22.480 trans furry, enjoying, uh, kind of dweeb, uh, who's, who's got this rifle in his pants. 1.00

01:28:28.920 Let me ask you this question. Cause this is going to, this is a concern of mine. 0.99

01:28:32.540 If, uh, at some point during the trial, after they come out of preliminary hearings,

01:28:36.800 they, if they go to a grand trial, which they, they will, what happens if Tyler confesses?

01:28:43.000 Oh, that's interesting. Is that an art? Like is he, then he's automatically guilty or

01:28:46.960 Or do you still have to go through the process of getting evidence?

01:28:49.180 Because I'm telling you, man, the way things are going, it's extremely likely to me that

01:28:54.420 he would confess.

01:28:55.420 And I don't think he did that.

01:28:58.020 So it depends on when and how he confesses.

01:29:00.960 OK, you can confess or take a plea deal that I mean, he very well may do something like

01:29:06.940 that just to not get the death penalty.

01:29:08.800 So that's part of it.

01:29:10.300 Let me so it depends on when you say he confessed.

01:29:12.360 Is he going to testify and confess?

01:29:13.820 You know, it's a Perry Mason moment.

01:29:14.980 But I mean, obviously, if he confesses in court, then the jury is going to convict him, right?

01:29:20.900 If he confesses, in a sense, before with a plea deal, he probably won't confess, but

01:29:25.220 it's like, I'll do this.

01:29:26.440 And then he has to go to court and they'll sentence him and say, are you agreeing to

01:29:30.660 all these facts?

01:29:31.440 And it's, you know, whether you can't appeal and all that.

01:29:34.600 So what's your kind of, I don't know, really understanding, I guess, the motive of the

01:29:40.520 question there.

01:29:41.420 Yeah.

01:29:41.540 Yeah. Does does does evidence then get thrown out, I suppose, if he confesses and like I said, if he confesses beforehand, we're not going to go to trial because he's confessed.

01:29:51.760 Right now. There's false confessions. Right. There's I never did that. Those weren't my text messages.

01:29:57.240 And then you're going to have to go to court and and ferret that stuff out. So, you know, it all depends kind of what what plays into this.

01:30:05.400 I think your main issue is if he does this, wouldn't he be more likely to do it to save

01:30:12.400 himself? I mean, Brian Kohlberger kills these four girls up in Idaho, and then he took a plea

01:30:18.160 deal so that the death penalty wouldn't be on the table. And now he's trying to push back on that

01:30:24.080 saying, you know, incompetence of counsel or something like that. So.

01:30:27.560 Well, because for a case this high profile and given everything that's surrounding it and all

01:30:33.940 the players that are um suspected to be involved right if you really entertain the idea that

01:30:39.100 israel's involved and the intelligence agencies are involved and this was a big a big um op right

01:30:45.440 which i kind of more or less subscribe to that i don't i definitely don't think anything should

01:30:50.320 be taken at face value with it and it does seem to be a lot more intricate um especially in its

01:30:55.980 uh what would you say the things that you could have taken advantage of after it you know in the

01:31:00.540 direction that tp usa went and the influencers who are running defense and just all the stuff

01:31:06.340 that came out of this i'm looking at this implication seriously of you know an mk ultra

01:31:11.500 shooter right and that's a false um what would you call that a false admission or a false uh

01:31:16.880 yeah but who's who's are you really saying if he does this can we get the evidence like what thing

01:31:22.600 if he even find out maybe that's kind of part of the bag isn't it that you have a fall guy you have

01:31:28.160 a patsy it's yeah because i'm looking at the some of the um the influencers around this who

01:31:34.940 have like done an about face yeah fuentes is a really great example of that i think yeah and

01:31:40.660 i don't know it's just some guy some guy named tyler robinson gets gotten to and it's like so

01:31:47.120 yeah what i was asking is like does the does the trial still go on and they look at the facts or

01:31:52.420 did they just take that and shut it right there and they go all right guilty you know done move

01:31:58.040 along nothing to see here because that's that would be a real travesty well yeah so it all

01:32:03.280 depends if he takes a plea deal then he will essentially admit to something let me just

01:32:07.100 address something else my heater went on over here it's like 80 degrees in this room that's why i

01:32:11.860 look so does he have rosacea is he high on meth yes yes and yes yes i'm not nervous i think i could

01:32:19.000 this is a big show this is a big deal tyler i don't know if you know that but coming on this 0.96

01:32:22.780 show doesn't give a shit he doesn't care about it at all i know i don't know i'll send you an 0.96

01:32:26.960 invoice um yeah so i another one though is uh luigi mangioni you know he just made a plea deal 0.98

01:32:34.520 that there's some other complications there because it's a federal case and there's still

01:32:37.300 a state case so who knows what's going on but my my problem and this happened i don't know if you

01:32:42.620 guys ever followed the nick ricada bullshit and stuff uh but we wanted to see body cam footage

01:32:48.840 in that case okay he was this guy that was had coke on his nose he was doing live streams he had 0.91

01:32:53.880 kids, kids had tested positive, da-da-da-da. We wanted to see the body cam footage. He took a

01:32:59.000 plea deal, which meant that they'd never had to release this as evidence. So Tyler, you know,

01:33:05.260 if he takes a plea, maybe we don't find out this, or if we go to trial, we're going to find out more

01:33:09.860 of this, which could fuel more or not. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, that's probably the way

01:33:16.780 things are going to go, right? We might get a little bit more because it now has to go.

01:33:21.280 So it would, what you're saying is it can get to a point where evidence looks like it's built up against Tyler in such a way where his attorney will then advise him to take a plea deal, open and shut, shut the case.

01:33:35.200 And we'll never fucking know.

01:33:36.020 And the truth will obviously, yeah. 0.93

01:33:37.980 And that's probably most likely how this will play out.

01:33:39.620 That's how that's going to hurt.

01:33:40.360 It's going to go that way.

01:33:41.140 It's going to hurt.

01:33:41.460 And the reason being is because, you know, we do this all the time, you know, going to court.

01:33:47.100 I'm like, if it's your kids, you know, you're going to you're going to spend the money to do whatever.

01:33:51.380 But everything else, you know, it's a cost benefit analysis.

01:33:53.960 It's kind of like that, which is death penalty or take a plea deal and you can live.

01:33:59.680 Right. What do you want? Because they're going to they're going to kill you in Utah.

01:34:02.380 It's not like California. It's like, oh, I'll take the risk.

01:34:04.920 So sometimes you get your risk going to trial because the outcome isn't whatever.

01:34:09.120 But although I will say this on him, this is where Andrew got a little stuck, which is, hey, can you read any one of the charges?

01:34:15.440 and he's like murder and she's like well no technically not it's murder with an enhancement

01:34:20.200 and that enhancement makes it to be um the death penalty if it's just murder you know you just go

01:34:27.140 out and kill someone for whatever now the enhancement is he killed him it's a thought 0.95

01:34:31.220 crime essentially which is you kill them for his political or religious beliefs so they're gonna 0.99

01:34:35.620 have to prove that at trial and that's why those you know little markings on his on the bullet

01:34:40.960 makes sense you know that feeds into that or you know his furriness what do you think about that

01:34:45.300 your opinion on like the marking is whenever i see somebody writing on bullets i'm like i don't

01:34:49.580 just don't think so man i don't think these guys wrote on a bullet i don't know it i mean these 0.92

01:34:54.940 are things that you know if it's true it's going to be pretty detrimental um it's just so gay i 0.80

01:35:00.980 mean who would do that i mean you know gayer than the uh relationship with the furry yeah either a 0.70

01:35:08.580 guy having well and he was here's here's what the furry said in court because they now he wasn't in

01:35:14.020 there it was it was an interview with him and so they'd be able to present this he'd have to come

01:35:17.660 testify if he goes to trial he said one they never talked about charlie kirk two they never talked

01:35:22.920 about politics or lgbt or any of that so it's odd that you would then go kill charlie kirk

01:35:29.960 for your boyfriend who you've never had these communications with yeah

01:35:36.240 hmm i don't know man that that is true uh we actually have a question from uh so i'll read

01:35:43.680 a super rosacea and meth uh thank you sparrow bear for the ten dollars uh at work but grateful

01:35:50.740 to catch up we'll see you later to sparrow and uh our producer nancy oh did he just leave never 0.88

01:35:56.600 mind he's like fuck this i'm not these guys are reading he's like i'm not getting any of this 0.95

01:35:59.700 money so why do i give a shit so our producer nancy has a question for you tyler and this is 0.99

01:36:05.420 a good one she's asking if this is uh legally admissible in court or if it's legally true i'm 0.97

01:36:10.860 not sure which one but it's a here it's a tweet from owen benjamin and it says uh ironically

01:36:16.260 everyone claiming tyler robinson a private citizen of murder is currently committing actual defamation

01:36:22.300 especially when a year of constantly changing and manipulative statements heavily imply malice

01:36:27.880 you can't just say a non-public figure is a murderer that hasn't been convicted especially

01:36:32.480 when you keep getting caught lying about the evidence you have. And then he goes on to say,

01:36:37.020 Erica Kirk legally defamed Tyler Robinson when she forgave him for a murder he was not convicted of.

01:36:43.020 That's the irony of all this. Candace Owens has never called Erica Kirk a murderer.

01:36:46.900 She said that she thinks she's complicit on some level. Literally, everyone thinks that.

01:36:52.140 Erica Kirk has openly called Tyler Robinson a murderer. She's defamed him. And when he's 0.94

01:36:58.280 acquitted has a home run case against her massive company it what do you think about that Tyler now

01:37:04.840 you have um like uh there's exceptions to defamation okay you can there's certain times

01:37:10.340 you can lie like being a congressman on the floor of the senate you have like immunity for that

01:37:14.680 um there's also one for court cases so you're in court you can pretty much say almost anything

01:37:20.460 about the other party it's not going to be a problem um she's actually part of this case

01:37:25.480 because she's a victim in this case to the prosecution itself.

01:37:31.540 I mean, they're taking what are you going to sue the prosecution for defamation for saying

01:37:35.260 all these things about him?

01:37:36.200 So it's just it's a it's nice that Owen put that out there, but it's not going to be a

01:37:41.300 defamation case.

01:37:42.760 That is an interesting thought, though, that, you know, Erica has defamed him by forgiving

01:37:48.640 him for a murder that he hasn't been proven to have committed.

01:37:51.780 and when you think about that because that was kind of a profound moment before everything got

01:37:57.240 really crazy that was one of the very very early things that she did she came out and she forgave

01:38:01.220 him yeah and then she went full-blown you know wicked witch uh pyro techniques and all that 0.94

01:38:07.100 other shit that's almost like pointing the finger at him yeah because we all said like oh man that's 0.93

01:38:12.340 heavy man you forgive because this is before the dust settled we don't really understand what was 0.99

01:38:15.500 going on so oh you forgive him that's that's actually pretty heavy and it's like no no no

01:38:19.740 what she said is i forgive him for murdering charlie so that the what's really behind that

01:38:25.620 is for murdering charlie and that's that's what we all internalize at that point in the game you

01:38:31.360 know so that that is a little bit sneaky it's fascinating also has the law um compensated or

01:38:37.040 caught up with the idea that you know an erica kirk or like these huge public figures are making

01:38:43.240 these making statements that really move oh yeah the opinion of of your peer like this is i don't

01:38:50.980 know 20 years ago that that kind of privilege was held for movie stars celebrities sports people but 0.78

01:38:58.060 not like in my opinion she's just like a fucking common person and even my level of influence is

01:39:04.120 like higher than most it's just it's it's strange i almost i i think it was a little bit worse back 0.97

01:39:10.740 in the day. Because back in the day, you could have, you know, when media was consolidated in

01:39:16.680 only a few channels, murders used to really grip. And I'm not saying this murder hasn't gripped the

01:39:21.220 nation, but murders back in the day, especially the 90s, early 2000s, would grip the attention

01:39:25.600 of the nation for a long period of time. And if the parents of the murder victim came out and cut

01:39:33.040 a mean ass promo, that would be in the minds of a lot of people, celebrity or not, you know, 0.89

01:39:38.560 as far as like the parents status as a celebrity being non-existent, it wouldn't matter because 0.92

01:39:43.660 it would be seen by so many people. And if it was heartfelt and it really touched you,

01:39:48.400 I almost would argue it's like the same in some ways. But what do you think about that?

01:39:53.080 Well, OK, so there's a few things. There's one making comments to taint the jury pool,

01:39:58.020 which, you know, she could be doing. But there's a long precedent of media getting involved. I came 1.00

01:40:04.100 on your show here and we talked about the famous Leo Frank case from 1913. This is a Jew that 1.00

01:40:09.520 murders and rapes this girl down in Atlanta. And then he gets put on trial and the trial itself 1.00

01:40:15.740 was so polarized that you had the New York Times, you had all these newspapers just writing tons of

01:40:24.840 stuff about this case. And then, so there was a lot of publicity. Okay. So this is not a new thing

01:40:30.500 that's happening and who knows what reason it's usually some white girl that we all are disdained 1.00

01:40:35.300 about because she didn't grow up to be some hottie so you know we worry about that kind of stuff so 0.63

01:40:39.320 it's what it is it's been happening you know forever and it'll it'll continue to happen

01:40:43.920 let me go on about erica though i mean her her actions afterwards are so strange everyone

01:40:50.320 admits that but it almost makes me wonder like maybe a reason why it may be a conspiracy because

01:40:54.840 now everyone's like, she's got some weirdness and no one wants to say, or they always push back

01:41:02.600 when you, when you mentioned how weird she is. Oh, she's a grieving widow. And I'm like, okay,

01:41:06.220 take that aside. What about her? Do you thinking that she can take over this company? Like Topper

01:41:12.200 or Rabin, one of you guys passes on and your wife's just going to step in and no one's going

01:41:17.000 to question, you know, that's fine. She could just handle all the interviews and do everything. No,

01:41:22.100 it's not the same thing and i know it's a it's a almost like a political position but it's

01:41:26.880 ridiculous to think that a huge company like this we can't actually go my you know my thing really

01:41:32.340 is about mahomes he he gets a leg broken like bring in his wife yeah it's like no it's just 0.90

01:41:38.500 why do you think this woman could handle this and and if you can't push back and that that's where

01:41:42.740 the problem with all the influencers you're like it's such a grift going on because no one has 0.92

01:41:47.420 seen this that she's not even close to being competent you know she has more sparklers coming 0.98

01:41:51.640 at her ass on some, you know, performance and Forrest Mommy. 0.98

01:41:55.660 I don't know. 1.00

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01:44:17.120 publish it.

01:44:18.760 Yeah.

01:44:18.920 And then to compile that, like the very obvious move of like to bring us back to Andrew Wilson

01:44:23.740 clearly hired Andrew Wilson to do this.

01:44:28.820 And it's like, I don't, I don't even know, man, like you got to start questioning the

01:44:34.560 motives and, but then it doesn't, I don't know if it taints, I don't know if it changes

01:44:40.420 anything about the actual trial. But what it's telling me is like, you feel the need to go out

01:44:47.180 and hire like a high level word wizard to defend the case that somebody killed your husband. It's

01:44:54.440 just very like we're like, layers of bizarre that I don't know, has this ever happened before?

01:45:00.680 Or is this like a brand new kind of kind of deal?

01:45:04.140 what the case gets what do you mean like that it's uh that uh that like there is a case

01:45:10.920 outside of a case to prove yourself innocent in in the in the public eye where you're hiring

01:45:17.480 other people it's all done in like like we have a court case system happening on the state level

01:45:22.440 that matters where people can go to jail but on the other side it's like you have candace owens

01:45:26.920 you have andrew wilson you've got tp usa you have this whole circus going on and it's almost unheard

01:45:32.600 And they're operating separately. And they're like, I feel like they're going to touch each

01:45:37.260 other at some point. Well, you know, I think it's just they have taken this. It's a lot of the same

01:45:44.600 people that push us into, you know, Iran and Gaza and all these other things. And now they're just

01:45:49.800 funneling it into the homeland. It's the same tactics, same type of people doing it. And,

01:45:57.820 And you read – I don't know what to think about this case.

01:46:01.960 I'm still just wide open and that's kind of the enjoyment I'm having. 0.94

01:46:05.140 Like I said, you can mock Candace for being – for some of her takes but just make sure you're mocking her for the right ones because you're going to show yourself kind of like Andrew did about where he thinks the conspiracy shit going on. 0.91

01:46:18.520 So yeah. 0.87

01:46:19.600 I think that you could almost say whatever the hell you want and you could be as wrong as you could possibly be.

01:46:25.980 and the news cycle moves so quickly that these people still maintain some sort of prevalence or

01:46:31.420 some sort of like internet clout um there's people i would have liked to have seen out of

01:46:37.360 the conversation long ago and yet they remain and so um you know i wouldn't be surprised if

01:46:45.180 uh you know these guys end up eating crow in a huge way and give it a couple of weeks and it

01:46:50.660 doesn't matter as long as they have a base to take on something else that comes to pass in the future

01:46:54.740 But I want to ask you kind of as we're bringing this to an end, what do you what do you think, given your experience in the courtroom and, you know, not only in person, but also you mentioned watching cases because you actually find them interesting and entertaining?

01:47:11.320 What do you think is the most likely outcome of this, given everything that you know now?

01:47:17.040 I mean, from the preliminary hearing, if they can prove a lot of those things that they had in there, you're going to have them nailed as guilty.

01:47:24.740 now it doesn't mean that that's not uh the out the truth is something different i just uh my

01:47:31.560 my wife loves you know true crime and if she ever yeah and if she ever kills me and gets caught you

01:47:38.040 know that's on her because she listens to so much to this she should figure it out but it was it's

01:47:42.340 this case in um idaho falls same place as this um in and out burger shooting that we just had

01:47:47.340 with this guy basically he gets questioned by the police about this rape and killing of the

01:47:52.800 neighbor lady girl a friend and he confesses but then he's like the point is he gets convicted he's

01:47:59.140 in jail for 20 years her mom then starts to there's still still going to be someone else out

01:48:03.680 there so she starts to look into this a little bit more to see who his accomplice was realizes

01:48:07.840 that he was just berated in the interviews and it was a false confession they end up finding the guy

01:48:13.040 later on the real guy that did it and he admitted to it and had dna so you know those kind of things

01:48:17.760 can happen and and so i think at this point i mean so i just leave that out there for all the

01:48:21.420 conspiracy uh roids out there um but um i believe from what i saw if they're able to prove what

01:48:28.160 they're able to which is really him saying i did it i mean there's text message the kind of thing

01:48:33.620 there but they've got to you know they've got to come back to me with them a little bit better

01:48:37.180 you want to hear another andrew uh wilson uh did yeah yeah yeah hell yeah dude so why not you got

01:48:43.800 two more i got what i said you got two more just the one i at least one um so in the debate um

01:48:51.400 There's issues about, with him and Candace, there's issues about ballistics, okay?

01:48:56.920 So there's been rumors back and forth online about him and his proclivity for, evidently

01:49:02.120 he was a gunsmith.

01:49:02.880 Wait, wait, wait, before you go any further, I just want to highlight, that's another element

01:49:07.160 of this, on top of all the layers that we've already mentioned, the .30-06, it just doesn't

01:49:13.560 make sense. 0.87

01:49:14.280 If you ever watch a video of what that does to something, you go, oh, I don't fucking

01:49:19.180 think that's, so yeah, just another layer.

01:49:21.400 for you to chew on, but please go on. Yeah. Cause a lot, some, some things can be

01:49:26.080 abnormalities and then you're like, okay, let's, let's do the scientific test and show that it

01:49:31.460 can happen. Well, you're not going to shoot real people, but you're going to try to equivocate

01:49:36.180 that and, or, you know, have an equivalence of that. And they're just not, I'm not seeing

01:49:39.820 reproductions of this in, in real world. So it's just something to, to maybe think about.

01:49:44.200 So Andrew Sullivan, Andrew Sullivan, the gay writer, if you ever know who that is, Andrew Wilson is a gunsmith or whatnot.

01:49:53.700 So Candace asked him, you're going to talk about the ballistics.

01:49:57.700 Let's get your expertise.

01:49:58.920 And she's like, I understand you were a sniper at one point.

01:50:01.660 And he's like, no, no.

01:50:03.100 That comes about because his wife about 10 years ago had put online that her husband was taught sniper school in the military.

01:50:11.700 okay and then someone's like he did what and then she had to come back and say that was a

01:50:16.340 colloquialism okay so he says no colloquialism for what he's for being a sniper hey you got

01:50:23.900 to understand your husband he's in the military everyone teaches sniping right sniping so then

01:50:30.260 candace is like so oh and he goes no that was just colloquialism you know like 15 years ago she goes 0.93

01:50:34.660 but has it changed since then he's like you know basically women retard that kind of thing right 0.89

01:50:39.620 so then she is she goes okay so you you served in the military did you serve in the military 0.91

01:50:45.960 and instead of stopping there she then continues the another question she goes did you teach

01:50:51.480 rifling and he goes i taught rifling as a private citizen and then i was instructor

01:50:58.780 with the nra okay he never answered the question if he was in the military now there's then clips

01:51:06.460 of him online at one point saying uh someone's like did you serve because he wanted to have

01:51:11.040 voting regulated to maybe service of some sort so like did you serve and he's like yeah i served

01:51:16.160 for a short time well how long ago i and even in the thing with candace he's like she's like well

01:51:20.420 how long was it long ago it's it's he never says dates when did you serve you know a while ago

01:51:26.340 and then he goes and another interview that he's doing a debate is a line a thing online

01:51:32.700 Did you serve?

01:51:33.540 He's like, no, I've never served.

01:51:35.100 So now you have him saying, no, I've never served.

01:51:37.800 Now you're saying, I have served.

01:51:39.540 No, I haven't served is a much later context.

01:51:42.560 He never answers the question.

01:51:44.200 If you're asked, hey, Raven, did you serve and did you teach rifling?

01:51:48.060 The first thing you would say is like, I never served or I served, however, in service.

01:51:52.620 So he didn't answer that.

01:51:54.400 And it's a little weaselly.

01:51:55.400 And he's a super smart guy.

01:51:56.820 And that is one thing that I know that's in his past.

01:51:59.200 So my theory is that he's begging his wife.

01:52:04.060 They got together about 12, 15 years ago.

01:52:05.780 He's telling her he's a sniper.

01:52:07.360 I did sniping.

01:52:08.700 I taught rifling, however he wants to say it.

01:52:12.300 And it's come back to haunt him

01:52:14.520 because now he's a big boy in public.

01:52:16.540 And ballistics are a big deal.

01:52:18.880 He also said a .30-06 jacket, a soft point,

01:52:21.780 might have come apart even before it hit Charlie.

01:52:24.400 That's literally what he said.

01:52:26.180 I'm not a ballistics guy.

01:52:27.940 but here's some of the this is why you're you're having the wrong guy pay to play in this arena

01:52:33.980 because it just makes a mockery it's it's almost like everything tp usa and erica kirk has done

01:52:39.840 has been to fuel and feed a conspiracy theory which is also not uncommon in today's world like

01:52:47.880 i think i don't want to bring this to the crazy town but like just aliens in general you know

01:52:52.800 like yeah all the all the talk around aliens not existing and then the push toward like the things

01:52:59.560 that we're seeing now it's to make people call conspiracy crazy and then boom put them right in 0.96

01:53:06.540 it yeah and i like so i'm i'm also on the lookout for that as well a little fucking a little bit of 0.92

01:53:11.060 whiplash a little bit of whiplash with what's going on here because it's just like well i love 0.56

01:53:15.400 that though i love that because because that is what's true about lies is no matter when you tell 0.99

01:53:19.940 them they'll come back to bite you in the ass and so yeah if you're right tyler which i think 0.99

01:53:24.640 speaks a lot to human nature if this is what this guy's saying just to like get the girl at the time 0.99

01:53:28.760 and then all of a sudden she goes out and starts talking because now they're both uh public figures 0.98

01:53:33.380 and and it's coming back to bite him in the ass like that's actually very funny to me you never 0.97

01:53:37.520 walk it back over like i know yeah that's a small one too and if you're willing if you don't have 0.99

01:53:42.460 the ability to it's like hey i was telling my wife some shit when i was first courting her

01:53:46.580 And like, yeah, that's not like super accurate. 0.99

01:53:48.580 It's like, OK, if you can't walk that back, then what other shit? 0.94

01:53:52.520 I mean, anything bigger than that, you're not going to be able to walk back. 0.99

01:53:55.200 And so, yeah, your credibility is toast.

01:53:56.900 But I think that's what I'm seeing when I see this guy and I go like, he just strikes 1.00

01:54:00.960 me as a massive piece of shit. 0.99

01:54:02.540 By the way, before we close this out, I just want to say that poll that's on YouTube right 0.99

01:54:07.740 now um we got 12 for tyler did it 28 for israel and 61 uh uh percent for i don't know but not

01:54:17.740 tyler that's how that's i'm in that 61 yeah i think that's really a fair place to be just given

01:54:23.200 all the crazy shit that we talked about during this episode um tyler we got to bring it in for

01:54:28.060 a landing before we do is there anything you want to say thank you for doing this with we haven't 0.79

01:54:32.340 really done a kirk episode in honest or like at least the circumstances around it with anybody

01:54:37.420 so i'm glad we got a lawyer too i'm glad we did it with you yeah man it's nice to see your red

01:54:41.240 cheeks yeah um go get some face i'll get some face cream afterwards it's people are also like

01:54:46.260 i think he's got like a an alcoholic problem i wish welcome to the this chat in particular

01:54:53.100 i will say it was about yeah look at this it was about a two years ago i was allergic to hazy

01:54:59.440 and i was drinking them like they were going out of style and my face would break out like that it

01:55:03.380 was it was gross so i don't drink those anymore but i don't drink that much beer so i don't know

01:55:07.620 what it is oh you know that sounds a lot like denial so where could be

01:55:10.860 so what's the question i said uh so where can people find you oh uh you could go to

01:55:20.720 my sub but either tyler yonke on t-y-l-e-r-j-a-n-k-e on twitter but um i have a sub stack

01:55:27.080 tyler uh what is it tyleryonke.substack.com i post everything there you can do the

01:55:33.060 podcast i i'm on youtube rumble x whatnot uh spot spotify but that's probably the place to go

01:55:39.480 has this been working out better for you than patreon uh yeah i don't have patreon i have

01:55:43.980 members here you can do you know some stuff there i also have members on my youtube channel i'm a

01:55:48.860 paltry about 2300 uh sub subscribers i get you know one or two here a week so it's it's slow

01:55:55.600 going but i have a real job so you know i don't i'm not able to you know it's like very condescending

01:56:01.420 because we don't have a real job real job yeah no you guys have no let me just say this you

01:56:06.600 understand the economics oh yeah right which is you've got to at some point your your job and

01:56:12.340 your podcast is if they can cross or close to it the numbers the income then you can make a switch

01:56:18.400 yeah but um i'm an attorney and you know i have uh yeah it's he's bragging he makes a lot of money

01:56:26.240 and he lives in california i saw it like a couple last year he did new floors in his house we get

01:56:31.000 very wealthy he's what he's saying is i have four kids going to college you know it's rough so

01:56:37.980 yeah i believe that i believe that yeah come on give me some money that's what i'm sure that

01:56:44.480 coming on a show and speculating as to what actually happened to charlie kirk is going to be

01:56:50.260 good for your uh attorney job hopefully it's all fine it doesn't those two don't really mix up

01:56:58.120 there i own my own business so you know hell yeah i'm just real excited and happy for you guys you

01:57:02.560 know so i make these jokes about real job but i'm i can't tell you how thrilled i am that this is

01:57:07.740 what you guys have been able to do because thank you dude it's been fun to watch you know i had a

01:57:11.700 little part of it uh early on uh with the tower gang stuff and um it's been fantastic you guys

01:57:17.120 are good people no matter what the chat has been saying about you the whole time if that's true

01:57:21.400 then you know don't skip out you know next bro growth no we do think and that was my fault i

01:57:25.360 dropped i dropped the ball i could have used uh tyler's help because he was like you were golden

01:57:30.240 for me with the last this dude was never on stage yeah i didn't i didn't even really i got on stage

01:57:35.340 twice for four or five performances that you did yeah because i'm just doing everything running

01:57:39.780 around but uh tyler i appreciate you for everything that you've done everything that you still you

01:57:45.680 know that you're going to help us with in the future tyler's been a part of this since the

01:57:49.840 beat like pretty much since the beginning so he has seen the climb of from like break the cycle

01:57:54.840 josh smith to all the crazy shit that we've done got it got to become a part of it with tower gang

01:58:00.260 and uh well guys if you're listening to this then go support tyler yeah um because he supported us 0.95

01:58:05.740 isn't that nice and just a shout out to me um you know i i got told by a comedian adam nutter

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Nephilim Death Squad - October 29, 2026

What REALLY Happened to Charlie Kirk？｜ Candace Owens, Israel & Tyler Robinson w⧸ Tyler Janke

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Nephilim Death Squad - October 29, 2026

What REALLY Happened to Charlie Kirk？ ｜ Candace Owens, Israel & Tyler Robinson w⧸ Tyler Janke

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What REALLY Happened to Charlie Kirk？｜ Candace Owens, Israel & Tyler Robinson w⧸ Tyler Janke