Off the Record - A carbon tax REVOLT？

00:00:00.000 I'm really looking forward to going to Strong and Free. It's an event that has held every year.

00:00:04.940 I'm so old that I was at the first Manning event, as they called it. And it was kind of a rubber

00:00:10.360 chicken thing in Ottawa with a bunch of staffers and a bunch of writers. And that was back in the

00:00:15.760 day that Ralph Klein was there. So I got my picture with the premier of Alberta. And it's

00:00:21.200 funny because I'm helping to host Strong and Free this year. And I'm teasing Andrew Lawton,

00:00:25.680 who isn't here because he's out busy, you know, kissing babies and stuff, trying to get elected.

00:00:31.500 Andrew always has this joke. You guys have probably heard it a few times. It's when he says,

00:00:35.760 you know what? I always filled in for Danielle Smith on the radio. So now I'm deputy premier of Alberta.

00:00:41.600 So if I'm filling in for Andrew in Red Deer, I think I'm like third in command or something now

00:00:47.280 for Alberta. So I'm looking forward to that. You're coming as well?

00:00:52.080 Yeah, I'm going for the first time. So I'm really excited. I'm not really sure what to expect,

00:00:56.880 I suppose, but it should be fun. I'm definitely excited to like, you know, just see everyone

00:01:01.420 there and talk to them and get the face to face, you know, better than just sitting behind the

00:01:05.200 screen all day.

00:01:06.120 Yeah, for sure. Actually talking with people in groups is an awesome thing to do.

00:01:09.680 Cosmin, are you making the trip over across the Rockies or are you staying home?

00:01:13.080 I'm not. I've actually never been, but I would love to go. Perhaps one day it's going to be held in BC,

00:01:18.920 maybe. Okay. Let's see if we can get out to the promised land, maybe somewhere like Abbotsford,

00:01:24.600 right? Could get you out that way. Yeah. So it's going to be really cool. We're going to be

00:01:28.580 talking about a lot of, you know, smaller government pro-freedom type issues. So we're

00:01:32.080 really looking forward to it. All right, guys, let's get this thing started.

00:01:34.720 Hey there. Welcome to Off the Record. My name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the

00:01:46.900 Canadian Taxpayers Federation. I'm joined now by my friends from True North. Thanks for letting me sit

00:01:52.000 in on this. We have so much to talk about. It's been a crazy couple of weeks the last little while.

00:01:58.300 We want to get started on the carbon tax. This is probably my favorite moment with the carbon tax.

00:02:03.980 of watching the NDP flee the ship of the carbon tax. Did we want to start with Jagmeet Singh?

00:02:13.100 Awesome. Okay, good. So guys, for the longest time, people probably remember Jagmeet Singh has been

00:02:19.580 propping up the Trudeau government on many issues, including the carbon tax. All this time,

00:02:25.560 he's had his wheels locked on that big orange bus. He's refused to budge. But all of a sudden,

00:02:30.380 the angels sang after their caucus retreat in Montreal, and Jagmeet went and spoke to the

00:02:36.220 reporters, and I'm paraphrasing, here you go, said something along the lines of, you know what,

00:02:41.000 we shouldn't be putting the carbon tax burden on the backs of working people.

00:02:45.860 That's huge. That is a huge reversal of direction. And so while he didn't come right out and say,

00:02:51.860 I'm going to scrap it and blah, blah, blah, I'm going to bring the government down,

00:02:54.320 even having that bit of daylight in that armor now is a really big deal. And the bigger deal,

00:03:00.880 in my opinion, is that what it caused, it caused an orange earthquake off the West Coast in British

00:03:07.180 Columbia, and their cosmen, where you're sitting, Premier David Eby, NDP Premier David Eby said,

00:03:14.160 you know what, I'm going to read the headline here, David Eby opens door to ditching carbon tax,

00:03:19.040 quote, comma, blames Trudeau's politicization. Okay, guys, this is really big, because that's

00:03:26.180 where the carbon tax started. That's its origin story in 2008 in BC. So to see David Eby suddenly

00:03:32.760 go, oh, wait a minute, the carbon tax is super unpopular. And maybe I will be too in the looming

00:03:37.260 election. Maybe I should reverse direction. What was your take on it? Cosman, did you want to run

00:03:41.280 with this first? Yeah, I just wanted to mention with BC, it was actually the first carbon tax in all of

00:03:48.400 North America, not just Canada. Across North America, BC was the first to introduce this policy

00:03:54.260 in, I think, 2008. So it's been around for quite some time. So for the NDP Premier of British Columbia

00:04:01.740 to come out one year after he told the NDP caucus at the BC NDP convention that he would never falter,

00:04:09.980 that's his words, he would never falter on the carbon tax as his peers in other provinces were

00:04:16.280 abandoning it by droves. And now here he is passing on the buck to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,

00:04:22.680 because technically, he hasn't fully abandoned it. He said he would only abandon it if the federal

00:04:29.400 government removed the requirement from the provinces to keep a provincial carbon tax because

00:04:36.660 the federal carbon levy doesn't apply to BC, they have their own policy. And it doesn't make sense,

00:04:43.960 because if they have their own policy, they can remove it whenever they want. So they don't really

00:04:48.280 rely on the federal requirement. And if they wanted to remove it, who knows how long it would take for

00:04:53.720 the federal government to force the federal levy onto them. So I think he's just washing his hands

00:04:58.700 clean of this thing. And he's putting the blame on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

00:05:02.740 This is a really big deal. If I can go back into ancient history for just a second. I was there

00:05:09.620 in 2008, when British Columbia brought in the carbon tax. Back then, it was the BC Liberal Premier,

00:05:17.380 Gordon Campbell that brought in the first, you're absolutely right, Cosmin, carbon tax in all of

00:05:22.320 North America. And back then, it was all the rage. It was so popular that at the time, California Governor

00:05:28.340 Arnold Schwarzenegger was all over this thing. And at the time, the BC Liberals tried starting the

00:05:36.100 carbon tax by saying, oh, it's going to be revenue neutral. So number one, that revenue neutrality,

00:05:41.940 that only lasted for a very brief time. It only took them a couple of years before they started

00:05:46.260 playing funny business with the budget books. And it was not revenue neutral, right around 2010,

00:05:52.180 around then is when it started. But what's super weird is what goes around comes around. Back then

00:05:58.100 in 2008, if you can believe it, the provincial NDP in British Columbia campaigned against the carbon tax.

00:06:07.140 They called the revenue neutral label, lipstick on a pig. They just get this, Isaac, I don't know if

00:06:12.900 you knew this. Their campaign slogan in their 2008-2009 election, ax the tax.

00:06:20.020 No way. Yeah. Pretty wild, eh?

00:06:24.500 Yeah. And this reminds me of something we saw recently here in Alberta, Chris, which I'm sure

00:06:30.180 you'll know, was when the NDP leadership race was occurring just recently. A lot of the candidates

00:06:35.780 were running against the carbon tax. So it seems like whenever an election comes to fruition,

00:06:42.420 these people want to ax the tax until they're elected. And then it's the complete opposite.

00:06:47.220 So I don't really know what that's all about, but maybe John Rustad, he put it better. He said,

00:06:53.700 David Eby has lied to British Columbians before, and he'll do it again. He's flip-flopped on this

00:06:58.500 because he's losing ground. And if reelected, he'll waste no time reversing his position on the tax.

00:07:05.540 British Columbians deserve real leadership, not a premier who changes his stance whenever it suits

00:07:10.660 his political needs. So, I mean, yeah, that's really what's going on here, I think, as well.

00:07:15.620 The election's coming up. People hate the carbon tax. Eby knows if he is going into the election

00:07:20.900 supporting the carbon tax, he will likely have no chance.

00:07:23.620 So this both pleases and annoys me at the same time for many reasons. It pleases me because this

00:07:31.700 is when politicians are their most vulnerable. So I'm speaking to everybody here who wants things

00:07:38.820 like the carbon tax scrapped in British Columbia. Push now. Get all of your friends and family out.

00:07:45.220 Make sure that they're registered to vote. Make sure that they vote. Make sure they tell those candidates

00:07:50.260 at the door when they're knocking and trying to sing for their supper exactly what you think of

00:07:55.220 the carbon tax because they do answer to us. Unfortunately, the only answer to us every four

00:08:00.420 ish years, although we do have recall legislation both in Alberta and British Columbia, which is a

00:08:04.980 good thing. It's a hard hill to climb. These elections are crucial because all of a sudden, exactly to your

00:08:10.500 point, Isaac, oh my gosh, look around. Look at all this flaming wreckage. Nothing is affordable.

00:08:16.020 All the theory seems to evaporate from these politicians' minds, and all the sanctimony seems

00:08:21.540 to just go out the window. And all of a sudden, they care about things like affordability or not being

00:08:27.220 able to fill up your car with gas. And all of a sudden, someone like David Eby is saying,

00:08:33.300 you know what, I could scrap the carbon tax. To your point here in Alberta, and this is what's also really

00:08:38.740 interesting is when you see people like Jagmeet Singh, the federal leader of the NDP, and David Eby,

00:08:44.980 the provincial BC leader of the NDP. It's the same party, by the way. They have the same constitution,

00:08:50.500 same organizational structure, everything. You start seeing dominoes fall, and then other NDP

00:08:56.580 politicians kind of have to speak their truth on this issue. We haven't heard from Nahid Nenshi.

00:09:02.340 So Nahid Nenshi is the newly elected within their party leader of Alberta's NDP. He has not given a

00:09:10.980 straight answer, yes or no, on a provincial carbon tax here in Alberta. Because it's happened before,

00:09:17.300 what happens if there's no federal backstop anymore? Say that Pierre Polyev becomes prime

00:09:22.580 minister, and he keeps his promise, which he has to, to scrap the carbon tax. What's to prevent

00:09:27.620 an Alberta carbon tax from happening here again? Every time a journalist tries nailing Nahid Nenshi

00:09:33.460 down on this issue, yes or no, he evaporates into a cloud of orange smoke. So he's the last one

00:09:40.420 prominently that I know of, guys, I don't know if you guys have heard, who has not yet said yes or no

00:09:45.940 on the carbon tax. Yeah, and it was actually Manitoba Premier Wab Kinu who first really came out

00:09:54.180 strongly against the carbon tax. And you're right, it is a domino effect because it's extended to the

00:10:00.100 federal, to BC, and I think it's going to spread and the pressure is mounting. But the other angle

00:10:06.980 to this is that I feel like it's a gamble for the NDP because there's a lot of people in that party,

00:10:13.380 progressives, environmentalists, who see this as a betrayal of one of the fundamental principles

00:10:20.740 that the NDP ran on in the last decade or so. And that group of people has sort of caused the NDP to

00:10:28.340 stray. As you mentioned, from the past, they had this working class unionist background that actually

00:10:34.980 was opposed to increasing taxes on ordinary people. But this group that has sort of come to the

00:10:41.300 forefront of the NDP, these progressive environmentalists, are definitely shaking their heads,

00:10:47.620 thinking, is this the party that we've helped to transform? And I do think a lot of them think

00:10:54.260 this is a betrayal. Great point. Two things. A lot of them are freaking out. I forgot to mention this

00:11:02.020 off the top, but I don't know if you guys saw, I can't remember his name, but I think he's a professor

00:11:07.140 in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He was freaking out when we saw Jagmeet Singh and then David Eby in succession

00:11:14.500 say, you know what? No more carbon tax. It's punishing people, blah, blah, blah. He actually

00:11:18.820 brought up, if I recall correctly, David Suzuki, who mused out loud many years ago about what kind

00:11:25.220 of punishments people should have for saying they're opposed, that they opposed carbon taxes

00:11:30.100 and things like that. This professor actually kind of mused out loud, oh, politicians who don't take

00:11:36.740 action on this, using that kind of language, but it was in reaction to scrapping carbon taxes.

00:11:41.220 Politicians who don't take action on these sort of things, maybe they should stand for crimes

00:11:45.380 against humanity. Like, bro, back away from your phone. Go outside, as they say, and touch grass.

00:11:53.940 Like, no. And the reason why I'm saying this earnestly, it isn't just because I'm with the

00:11:59.140 Canadian Taxpayers Federation and we know that the carbon tax costs people hundreds and hundreds of

00:12:04.660 extra dollars every single year, per year, even with the rebates factored in. That's all clear.

00:12:10.100 But if I can just reach out to these folks who truly think that it's the carbon tax in Canada

00:12:17.060 that is going to save the emissions problem, it's not. It's just not. Even if you took the idea that,

00:12:25.220 say, global emissions are the most critical issue you're facing, keeps you up at night, gets you up in

00:12:30.580 the morning. You're always working on it. The math isn't there, okay? Even if Canada ceased to exist,

00:12:37.860 God forbid, and we stopped eating and growing food and heating our homes, it wouldn't make a dent in

00:12:43.540 global emissions, guys. So this is where I really don't quite understand who they would describe

00:12:49.940 themselves, I think, as hardcore environmentalists. They're missing this big part of the arithmetic

00:12:54.820 problem here. So if we did something big like selling natural gas to places like India, which

00:13:00.660 want to buy it, that should have a big dent, a dampening effect on their very heavy emissions.

00:13:07.940 So why don't we do that instead of mindlessly punishing people financially for filling up their

00:13:12.500 minivan? Yeah, you kind of took the words right out of my mouth, Chris, because I was going to say that,

00:13:17.620 is that Canada could have a much larger effect than reducing their own emissions by providing these other

00:13:23.380 countries like India and China who are burning coal with our clean energy. I mean, you could actually

00:13:29.380 bring the emissions down globally in a notable way, which Canada could in no way, shape or form do on

00:13:34.660 its own being such a minuscule portion of that percentage. And then just a few points I wanted to

00:13:40.180 touch on here before we get off this story was that this for March 26 from a Leger poll said that 73% of

00:13:48.740 British Columbians opposed the carbon tax. This was right before the increase on April 1st. And you can

00:13:53.060 imagine that numbers since grown, given opposition to the carbon tax in general has been growing.

00:13:58.580 And then the last thing I'll say was, yeah, conservative leader Pierre Poilievre, he previously

00:14:03.940 sent David Eby a letter asking for his assistance in halting that carbon tax increase. And Eby said

00:14:10.340 that this was a quote, baloney factory campaign tactic. So now with Eby's recent news, Poilievre did not

00:14:17.140 forget. And he tweeted at him on X and said, quote, who is full of baloney now? I mean,

00:14:23.380 as soon as I saw it, I was laughing. Okay, I missed that.

00:14:28.660 I might have to clue that in an op ed. And I'm already thinking of a stunt handing out baloney

00:14:32.900 sandwiches in front of somebody's office. That's pretty good. It's it's related. Did we want to

00:14:38.340 so a lot of people are really upset. The right people, frankly, are pretty upset about this reversal

00:14:44.100 coming from the NDP, which, by the way, is a wonderful thing, right? Hey, you know,

00:14:48.340 better late than never. I'm super happy earnestly to see politicians saying, you know what?

00:14:53.220 I've had this moment. I've had an awakening. I'm now going to back off. Good. You know why it's good?

00:14:58.020 Because it'll save people a ton of money at the end of the day. So I really hope that this happens.

00:15:03.220 Everybody pick up the phone, call your local MLA, call your local MP, especially if they're NDP and say,

00:15:09.300 you know what? Good job. Back off this carbon tax. Full reverse. Don't, you know, don't do it.

00:15:13.780 Scrap the carbon tax. It's a good thing to see. But it's upsetting some people,

00:15:18.180 including the environment minister, Stefan Guibo. Did we want to move on to that fun one?

00:15:23.860 Yeah, fun. Yeah.

00:15:24.660 Okay. So I was busy writing an awful lot of columns and letters to our supporters and stuff,

00:15:29.940 because of course the carbon tax story was a huge one for the Taxpayers Federation.

00:15:33.700 And I saw this stuff online. Apparently, Guibo, he's got this video where he's doing the whole

00:15:39.780 wasn't that a romcom? I don't watch romcoms, but apparently there was some romcom where he's

00:15:45.380 some dude is standing on a doorstep, sad in the rain, and he's holding up his messaging on these

00:15:50.180 like white pieces of paper. I can't remember. My favorite romcom is Terminator. So I didn't see it.

00:15:56.740 So, but it's this thing that politicians started doing for a while. It was a trend where they hold up

00:16:01.220 their message on a little piece of white paper. Are we ready to roll that clip?

00:16:05.380 Pia Poliev has been the leader of the Conservative Party for two years. But did you know that he voted

00:16:11.540 400 times against protecting the environment and Canadians? All he has to offer are empty slogans.

00:16:19.540 He talks about technology as a solution to climate change, but voted against every measure we've put

00:16:25.380 in place to support technological development. What he wants to do is eliminate investments in a cleaner

00:16:31.860 future for Canadians, clean air, and clean water. What is his plan? Cut, cut, cut.

00:16:38.180 Okay. Cut. Indeed. Let's answer him and say cut. Okay. Did, apparently that music was part of the

00:16:45.460 original video. Just so people know. We did not add that as far as I understand. That was in

00:16:50.260 Gebo's actual video. Couple of really quick things from a taxpayer's perspective. Every time a

00:16:56.580 politician says investment, he means he's spending your money. The government doesn't have any money.

00:17:03.060 It's all taxpayers money. So the moment a government says investment, he means spend your money. Also,

00:17:09.860 again, if I could just convince him, if he really cares about global emissions, his carbon tax thing ain't

00:17:16.900 cutting it. So you might as well let it go and focus on other things. Isaac and Cosman,

00:17:21.540 who wants to take this one first? Sure. Just on the format of the video,

00:17:26.180 I think it's a gimmick. I'm sure there was some liberal staffer, some younger millennial who was

00:17:30.580 like, hey, this would be a great idea. I saw this on TikTok. This might speak to people in a new way,

00:17:36.260 but it comes across as inauthentic. It comes across as forced. And it's been, I guess we'll get into

00:17:43.700 this later, but it's, it's a perfect opportunity to meme the entire thing.

00:17:48.740 Yeah. Steven Guibault, I guess he's doing these fads now. Cause he, he recently did the brat summer

00:17:54.260 to whatever that was and kind of thinking along the same lines as you, Chris. The first thing

00:17:59.220 that came to mind when I saw this video and he said that Paulie voted 400 times against protecting

00:18:04.980 the environment. I was thinking how, so can you show me the data that proves the carbon tax does

00:18:09.780 anything to protect the environment? Steven Guibault, my guess is you can't, or you would.

00:18:14.660 We know for a fact that it makes Canadians poorer, despite the liberals consistently saying that it

00:18:19.620 makes eight out of 10 Canadians richer somehow, which we know to be false. Any Canadian with common

00:18:24.500 sense knows that to be false along with every document ever released on the carbon tax, proving

00:18:29.060 it to be false. So the carbon tax makes us poor and it somehow helps the climate when we know the number

00:18:36.020 one way to improve any large populace's carbon footprint is by making them richer. How come

00:18:41.540 our emissions have skyrocketed during the carbon taxes tenure? Well, when people are poor, their only

00:18:47.780 concern is putting food on the table and keeping the lights on by, by any means necessary. So they're

00:18:52.980 not at the luxury of making decisions that might be more eco-friendly.

00:18:57.460 Cosmin?

00:18:58.820 No, I totally agree. And I think they're backed into a corner. They're trying to throw everything

00:19:06.180 against the wall that they can and hoping it sticks. You know, they've tried to rebrand the

00:19:10.980 carbon tax. You guys have described it as fairly as putting lipstick on a pig, which is true. They,

00:19:17.140 I heard recently, they're also looking at in more ways to try to advertise the carbon tax to Canadians,

00:19:22.660 but we're past that point. Canadians hear about the carbon tax every single day, and it's not in a

00:19:28.100 positive light. A marketing campaign where you're going to spend who knows what amount of taxpayer

00:19:35.300 money on consultants and marketers and PR officials is not going to help you get out of this mess.

00:19:42.260 We're past that point. The carbon tax as a policy is dead in Canada, but the liberals need to stop

00:19:50.260 waving that corpse around. It's like weekend at Bernie's, right? You know, they're walking around with

00:19:55.220 the corpse of the carbon tax and hoping nobody notices that this thing is, has passed away.

00:20:00.500 It's still good. It's still good. I think it's, I think it's $7 million that they're spending

00:20:06.580 advertising the carbon tax as if, you know, people are just too stupid to understand how awesome the 1.00

00:20:12.580 carbon tax is. Let's spend their money convincing them about it. Like, no, no, just put a fork in it. 1.00

00:20:19.300 It's done. To your issue on the emissions, yeah, even the government's own data on emissions is a

00:20:26.340 disaster because emissions keep on going up, not every single year, year over year, but quite steadily

00:20:32.580 in Canada, even since we first got carbon taxes back in 2008. And if I recall correctly, in British

00:20:39.620 Columbia, for example, again, the origin story of the carbon tax, I think they were supposed to bring

00:20:45.700 down emissions by 30% below 2007 levels by 2020. I think they were up like 2.5%, like huge fail, huge.

00:20:57.860 And if I can get into this a little bit more, it isn't because people don't care about the environment,

00:21:04.260 as some of these politicians seem to think, like it's all about them and you failed me. No,

00:21:10.020 it's because normal working people do not have an affordable, abundant alternative energy source to

00:21:18.020 switch to. You have not ticked all those boxes, politicians. So if somebody needs to drive their

00:21:24.420 kid to work or keep their chicken barn heated, which by the way, farmers pay carbon tax on that,

00:21:29.460 it's going to cost them a billion dollars by 2030. PBO did that number. People need to keep their homes

00:21:35.860 heated. They need to get to work. If they don't have something they can switch to that is reliable

00:21:42.340 and affordable and there, they can't. They're just backed into a corner. And so I'll put a fork in it

00:21:49.300 this way, when it comes to the hypocrisy of politicians pushing this carbon tax. Back in 2008,

00:21:54.980 when it started in BC, and I hope to see that thing gone, they said it was going to stop at $30 a ton,

00:22:01.620 that it was going to be revenue neutral, that it was going to create a plethora of affordable

00:22:07.140 alternative energy sources, and that it was going to make emissions go down. None of those things is

00:22:12.980 true. None, which is why you see so many people against the carbon tax. You guys were saying that it's

00:22:19.140 created memes. Now I'm showing my age. Does this mean that they have to freeze the video and then like,

00:22:27.060 like, like, white out what he said, and then put their own messaging in there? Can you explain this

00:22:32.580 to me? Yeah, that's pretty much it. People just Photoshop out the messages on the cards. But some

00:22:38.740 people left the cards on like the empty slogans one, and they just took a screenshot of that,

00:22:43.940 which is like perfect, because that's all the liberals have been about with the carbon tax and

00:22:48.740 the environment. That one's pretty good. Oh, that's gonna upset him, though. He's gonna say that

00:22:55.460 that's misinformation that he loves you too. Brenda, taxes make the weather good. Oh, goodness.

00:23:01.060 So again, that's pretty good. And again, it's one of those comms things, right? Like,

00:23:05.780 if you're getting if you're the staff, and you're the director of communications, and you're getting

00:23:09.860 your boss to do that, you should see that coming. Don't hold up a blank piece of paper. Same thing

00:23:16.420 with ladies. Don't wear a green dress, because that'll make you like, they can apparently like make 1.00

00:23:22.260 you wear whatever after that, or just have your head floating there. So those are always really

00:23:26.740 fun inside tips. So that's a lot of fun. Did we want to get to a much more serious situation here,

00:23:32.100 actually, with the NDP leader on Parliament Hill? Okay. So as far as I understand, this is a couple

00:23:38.740 of days ago. This is I worked on Parliament Hill for 20 years. This is on Parliament Hill. This looks like

00:23:45.700 it's right outside of West Block, which by the way, is where the House of Commons is right now.

00:23:51.140 Because Centre Block, the Peace Tower one that everybody's used to thinking of with Parliament

00:23:54.820 Hill, that's been under renovation construction forever. No, I don't know how much it's costing us.

00:24:00.260 I'm scared to look. So that's under construction. So the House of Commons that you see on question

00:24:05.140 period is actually over in kind of a side building, which is still up on the hill, called West Block.

00:24:11.140 And as far as I understand, this is a confrontation between some person, like an average person on the

00:24:17.060 street, and NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, where they get into a pretty stern verbal confrontation.

00:24:25.780 Let's play the video. 1.00

00:24:34.900 Corrupted bastard. 1.00

00:24:38.020 Okay. Want to say something? 1.00

00:24:39.460 What? Want to say something?

00:24:40.340 Hello?

00:24:40.500 You said nothing?

00:24:41.300 What does it mean?

00:24:41.860 What does it mean?

00:24:41.940 You got something to say? 0.99

00:24:44.100 I didn't say corrupted bastard. 0.99

00:24:45.380 Is that what you said? 0.99

00:24:46.180 No, no, I did not say that.

00:24:47.300 Who said it?

00:24:48.340 Who said it?

00:24:48.900 Somebody behind me said that.

00:24:50.020 Was it me?

00:24:50.740 Was it you?

00:24:51.300 No.

00:24:51.860 You sure?

00:24:52.340 If it was me, I'd admit it, buddy.

00:24:53.700 Was it you or not?

00:24:54.660 If it was me, I'd admit it.

00:24:55.940 What'd you say then?

00:24:56.900 I didn't say nothing. It wasn't me. It was a gentleman behind me, I guess.

00:24:59.300 Who is it then?

00:24:59.860 Point it out.

00:25:00.260 I have no idea who it was, buddy.

00:25:02.180 My word.

00:25:02.660 You sure it's not you?

00:25:03.620 No.

00:25:04.020 A hundred percent. 1.00

00:25:04.580 You're a coward. 1.00

00:25:05.220 You're not going to say it to my face. 1.00

00:25:06.260 That's what's up.

00:25:07.380 Say what?

00:25:07.860 You're not going to say it to my face.

00:25:08.500 If I said something like that to you, I'd admit it.

00:25:11.140 All right.

00:25:12.420 Now, I asked you if a confidence vote came up to you.

00:25:18.420 So that was looking like it was getting pretty tense.

00:25:21.860 That is Parliament Hill security that you could see there kind of standing ready.

00:25:25.700 So in law enforcement, they were within like a lunge reach of getting in between those guys,

00:25:31.860 just from my own knowledge and experience.

00:25:34.980 I will say as a long time advocate for political activism, everybody's got to be careful.

00:25:42.900 Don't get into a physical confrontation with people.

00:25:46.020 I don't care what your politics are because one, it's wrong.

00:25:50.020 Two, you're going to damage your message.

00:25:54.260 It doesn't matter if you are like the most left-wing person who wants to only eat organic

00:25:58.420 soy for the rest of your life or the most right-wing person who wants, you know, concealed carry.

00:26:03.860 Don't care.

00:26:04.340 Don't care.

00:26:05.540 Be really careful getting into physical type situations because if you do, you're going

00:26:12.500 to damage your own message.

00:26:14.820 We have got so much power politically here in Canada that is firm but peaceful that we got

00:26:22.020 to keep our P's and Q's crossed here.

00:26:25.700 Who wants to take this one away?

00:26:26.980 I don't know.

00:26:30.580 Did we want to watch that second Charlie Angus clip as well?

00:26:34.500 Oh, that's right.

00:26:35.140 He did respond to it.

00:26:36.340 So this is Charlie Angus, a long-time member of parliament with the New Democrats,

00:26:41.460 and he's being asked by a member of the Parliamentary Press Gallery.

00:26:44.100 I can't quite hear her voice, so I can't tell who it is.

00:26:46.580 He's being asked about it though.

00:26:48.100 Let's listen.

00:26:49.060 Charlie, can you just talk to us about what happened to Mr. Singh and what your concerns are?

00:26:53.140 Well, we have the leader of a national party stepping out in a parking lot on Parliament Hill

00:26:58.420 and facing a confrontation and having to be there by himself while security stands and watches him.

00:27:04.740 We're dealing right now with an increasingly dangerous and toxic mix for politicians of all stripes.

00:27:11.860 I've had to run many gauntlets where I just have not felt safe at all.

00:27:15.540 And I mean, I've got a pretty thick skin.

00:27:19.060 I think what we've seen is a ramping up of the politics of intimidation from the Conservatives.

00:27:23.700 They amplify the language.

00:27:25.860 They feed the rage threats.

00:27:27.860 The last threat that I just dealt with that I'm dealing with police,

00:27:31.140 the person who came at me was basically quoting Pierre Pauliev and Daniel Smith.

00:27:35.940 You know, Liberal voters aren't threatening me to kill me.

00:27:41.620 So, a couple of things.

00:27:43.620 I've interviewed Mr. Angus many times, long time member of Parliament.

00:27:47.460 He knows the game.

00:27:48.340 He knows the deal on Parliament Hill.

00:27:50.820 I have personally witnessed people getting too far into other people's faces

00:27:56.660 for real on any side of the political spectrum.

00:27:59.700 I was actually, when I was a Sun News Network reporter out in New Brunswick,

00:28:03.860 I actually had to give a deposition in court, which led to a conviction.

00:28:08.820 Because what many would describe as a left-wing group were threatening to lock me in my car,

00:28:14.740 drag me out, and burn it.

00:28:16.900 That resulted in convictions.

00:28:18.900 So, nobody has the monopoly on going too far and crossing lines when it comes to politics,

00:28:25.380 left or right.

00:28:26.100 And so, my main sentence will be here, we have got so much power as Canadians in Canada,

00:28:32.660 make sure we keep it on this side of the good line.

00:28:35.380 Because otherwise, it gets misconstrued, and then people get a bad rep.

00:28:40.420 Who wants to jump in on this, Isaac or Cosman?

00:28:44.100 I can go.

00:28:44.980 Yeah, a few things, I think.

00:28:46.900 Firstly, I mean, you know Angus better than me, obviously, Chris,

00:28:50.420 but I was surprised how critical he was of the security there.

00:28:54.660 Because he was just basically, he spent half the clip, maybe portions we didn't see,

00:29:00.740 but just critiquing the security for letting that even happen,

00:29:03.940 and not just getting in between them immediately, I suppose.

00:29:06.980 But maybe they were less concerned because of the way Singh turned around.

00:29:11.300 He looked like an MMA fighter, I thought.

00:29:13.380 And I was reading online that I guess he's a pretty high-level jujitsu practicer, let's call it.

00:29:21.380 So, I do think if the pedestrian were more aggressive, they all seemed pretty passive.

00:29:25.380 The security would have stepped in.

00:29:26.660 But I definitely took that as a surprise with Angus there.

00:29:31.220 Although that may be coming from, obviously, we've seen some pretty scary things.

00:29:36.020 happening with politicians recently, especially in the States with Donald Trump.

00:29:40.100 Obviously, he recently survived two assassination attempts.

00:29:43.380 So, you'd think that security, given what was happening down there, would be more prudent

00:29:48.740 with these kind of things, and probably wouldn't have let it get to this level.

00:29:51.700 So, maybe that's what Angus was thinking.

00:29:55.620 And then just touching briefly on what Singh said, I was surprised because he said, 0.98

00:29:59.380 you're a coward to that guy. 0.94

00:30:00.820 And I'm surprised the man didn't respond and say, well, have you looked in the mirror, Jagmeet? 1.00

00:30:05.700 You're the one propping up the liberal government, who you claim to hate, who you spend every day

00:30:10.180 critiquing. 0.93

00:30:11.380 Who's the real coward here?

00:30:14.100 I think, yeah, I think it's important to note that this wasn't a physical confrontation.

00:30:20.100 It was an unbecoming comment from somebody there.

00:30:22.900 We don't know who, it doesn't really show in the camera.

00:30:26.260 And it was Jagmeet Singh that turned around and approached this individual, got in his face,

00:30:31.220 and tried to act intimidating.

00:30:34.340 We can't talk about possibilities.

00:30:36.020 Where could have this gone?

00:30:37.380 But it didn't go anywhere.

00:30:39.380 It wasn't a physical confrontation.

00:30:41.540 There was no violence involved.

00:30:43.060 And Charlie Angus, one of the most divisive MPs of the NDP caucus, he's talking about,

00:30:51.460 oh, look, the conservatives are doing this and that.

00:30:54.100 They're trying to raise the temperature on things, and immediately goes into a divisive

00:30:58.340 attack against the conservatives.

00:31:00.500 I actually looked on his YouTube page about a week ago.

00:31:03.380 He was in Colombia in Bogota at the Pan American Conference.

00:31:07.780 This is a video he posted.

00:31:09.060 And he used that opportunity with a delegation of MPs, including liberal MPs, to blast conservative

00:31:16.100 politicians.

00:31:16.740 He says there's a threat of the far right enveloping the world and all this stuff. 0.97

00:31:21.620 So this is a guy who I think has an element of hypocrisy. 0.58

00:31:25.460 And he's using this incident for political gain.

00:31:28.580 And I don't buy it.

00:31:29.620 It wasn't a violent confrontation.

00:31:32.180 It was some bad language.

00:31:33.700 And Jagmeet Singh was right to be offended by somebody calling him those words.

00:31:38.820 And putting that to him.

00:31:40.100 But let's just be real about what happened.

00:31:42.580 It wasn't a true threat to the safety of Jagmeet Singh.

00:31:47.380 And I think there's a lot of falsities in what Charlie Angus said.

00:31:50.820 He said that the security was just watching by.

00:31:53.780 As you mentioned, Chris, they were within arm's reach.

00:31:56.420 They could have intervened.

00:31:57.780 Jagmeet Singh, everybody there was safe.

00:32:01.700 It's one of those situations, again, just to clarify for people who haven't been to Ottawa,

00:32:06.820 that's public land.

00:32:08.500 So you as a peaceful citizen have a right to stand there and speak your mind,

00:32:15.780 to protest, to put up a sign, as long as it isn't, you know,

00:32:19.220 trying to incite violence or something.

00:32:21.380 You have a right to be there as part of free expression.

00:32:24.260 Like you own that property.

00:32:26.420 Again, though, I will caution people, make sure you keep it on the right side of the line,

00:32:31.060 on the correct side of the line, because otherwise things will escalate.

00:32:36.020 And then your entire purpose, whatever it is, like I said, organic food or gun rights,

00:32:42.980 whatever it is, will then get kind of colored in that same light based on what happens.

00:32:49.780 This is how narratives start.

00:32:51.460 It's literally on Parliament Hill with the Parliamentary Press Gallery right there,

00:32:55.620 which is where narratives start.

00:32:58.180 So again, getting back actually to our original topic, really briefly with the carbon tax,

00:33:02.500 I just want to use it as an example.

00:33:04.740 Okay, so you can peacefully send emails and phone calls and letters and go to rallies

00:33:10.020 for years.

00:33:10.180 For years, it does take a while.

00:33:12.820 And then all of a sudden, an election comes up, you achieve your goal.

00:33:17.060 Okay, no pushes or shoves happened, you achieve your goal.

00:33:21.780 That is really one of the most beautiful things about Canada's participation in politics.

00:33:26.340 And that's what we mean by get off the bench, get in the arena and make sure you're active.

00:33:30.500 And so again, I just wanted to put a caution flag down on this free communications advice,

00:33:35.380 folks, free activism advice, make sure you keep your powder dry on this stuff.

00:33:39.700 Did we want to get to debt? Or did we still want to chat about what happened on Parliament Hill?

00:33:43.380 Yeah, no, I think we can move on to debt, which I can discuss here if we want.

00:33:48.820 Really briefly, I understand why people are mad.

00:33:54.020 I understand why the common person is ticked off.

00:33:56.900 And I think it would benefit political leaders to really listen to people.

00:34:01.940 Don't dismiss them when they're saying things like, I can barely pay my rent.

00:34:07.060 Um, half of Canadians are within 200 bucks of not being able to make their minimum payments,

00:34:12.020 minimum payments on their bills. We have record demand for food banks. These are all real things.

00:34:18.980 And if you keep dismissing people saying that doesn't matter, people are going to get mad.

00:34:24.980 And the debt is a perfect example. We have now officially doubled our debt. It's,

00:34:30.180 I think 1.2 trillion dollars. Yeah, so just a quick point. I wanted to add,

00:34:35.780 there's no self-awareness, no self-reflection from the NDP who propped up the Liberal government.

00:34:42.820 They point fingers at everybody else except for themselves. Never any single moment of self-reflection.

00:34:52.580 Until an election comes around, and then hopefully we can get them singing from the right hymn book.

00:34:56.820 So, um, Isaac, you wanted to jump in on the debt?

00:34:59.540 Yeah. So this actually came from calculations done by the Canadian taxpayers federation that

00:35:04.900 the national debt officially reached 1.232 trillion dollars on August 30th. And when I saw this news,

00:35:11.220 it was shocking. There's something about the word or the number, let's say a trillion dollars. It's,

00:35:16.740 it's, it's hard to even conceptualize that amount of money. So yeah, when Justin Trudeau first took office

00:35:22.820 in November, 2015, Canada's federal debt was 616 billion. So now we've officially doubled and as debt

00:35:30.420 has doubled, so too has food insecurity, uh, housing costs have increased about 63% and crime had

00:35:38.180 increased too. So by, by 2023, 24, the federal debt had reached 1.215 trillion. So we're, we're getting very

00:35:45.300 close, but then, uh, the CTF who provided me with their calculations show that the debt has been

00:35:50.180 increasing 39.8 billion dollars a year, which is 109 million dollars a day. So this was the way that

00:35:56.580 this was calculated that the debt officially doubled on the 30th of August. And according to

00:36:02.820 your organization, Chris's, uh, federal debt clock, the debt costs each Canadian $31,000. And more

00:36:10.820 importantly, perhaps interest charges on that debt will cost 54 billion this year. Uh, the PBO, the

00:36:17.220 parliamentary budget officer, he actually revealed that liberals won't balance the budget until 2040.

00:36:21.940 And in that interim, the debt interest charges will cost Canadians almost $850 billion. I mean,

00:36:28.980 this is insane, this coming out of the federal government. However, some provinces have seen

00:36:35.220 good news, uh, recently with their fiscal, their most recent fiscal updates, most recently coming

00:36:41.620 from New Brunswick who saw their surplus reach over double the initial projections for this fiscal year.

00:36:47.140 So now they're at $500 million. Uh, that followed shortly after Alberta's fiscal update where their

00:36:55.540 surplus rose almost seven fold by 2.5 billion from their initial projections. And just a quick converse

00:37:04.340 now going back to BC, their deficit rose, which is not good, uh, $1.1 billion to $9 billion. So

00:37:12.180 we see all these provinces, uh, excelling and then BC doing the exact opposite. So I don't,

00:37:18.180 I don't know what's going on in BC, but things are definitely going from bad to worse over there.

00:37:22.100 Yeah. Yeah. Cause what do you think about that? Well, with the BC stuff, it's, it's outstanding

00:37:30.100 because like they, they spend all of this money and federally, right. And we're getting worse

00:37:35.140 outcomes. What are we spending money for when opioid addiction is high? All the deaths are going up.

00:37:43.140 When you have homelessness going up, people can't afford homes. The outcomes are not matching the amount

00:37:49.540 of money we're dumping into programs that have been proven ineffective. And it's astounding. And

00:37:56.020 just to jump back to the carbon tax, I think a reason that premier David Eby doesn't want to

00:38:02.740 wholly write off the carbon tax and shut it down is because he knows he needs to collect that money

00:38:08.500 to pay for all of these programs that he's introducing before the election to get reelected.

00:38:13.460 He wants to keep it around because it's a nice cash cow for his government to keep spending money.

00:38:18.660 And we're not only in a deficit, we're getting into debt for all spending, which is even worse.

00:38:25.220 Yeah. Big time to give you some, uh, parameters on the amount. Cause like you said, it's hard to

00:38:31.300 imagine a trillion. So Scrooge McDuck style, if you had a big vat full of loonies, okay. And you're

00:38:39.060 swimming around in the loonies and you started counting them for the debt, it would take you 30,000 years

00:38:46.660 to count to one trillion. That is how much federal debt we're in. I know my skin's crawling.

00:38:52.500 It's really bad. Um, as far as, uh, nine, $9 billion, uh, deficit we're looking at in BC

00:39:01.460 quick calculation that would pay the annual salary of 45,000 paramedics and 45,000 cops.

00:39:09.220 Oops. Not kidding. Or if you don't want to do that, say 45,000 carpenters, whatever makes

00:39:15.700 $3,000 a year, really easy way to do that math. That is brutal. Um, as far as the federal debt goes

00:39:23.220 again, doubling the debt. So just kind of visualize that like picture all the previous

00:39:29.780 prime ministers like Harper, Mulroney, the first Trudeau, even Diefenbaker, Pearson, all the way back

00:39:37.140 down the railroad to Sir John A. Macdonald. Okay. Picture all of their governments and their debts

00:39:43.780 through times of world wars and depressions, you name it, bad stuff happening. Picture all that debt,

00:39:49.860 double it. That's what this current incarnation of the Trudeau government has done in less than a

00:39:56.260 decade. It's astonishing. And just touching briefly on what you mentioned there, um,

00:40:02.820 cause men, I saw that the BC government was expected to collect $2.6 billion in revenue from

00:40:08.420 the carbon tax this fiscal year. Uh, so I don't know what they're going to do losing that key source

00:40:15.780 of income and their deficit is climbing. Uh, yeah, Chris, how, how are they going to supplement

00:40:19.540 $2.6 billion in revenue? I mean, you can't just pull that out of thin air.

00:40:24.020 They can stop wasting money and they can lower their taxes so that more people can afford to live

00:40:29.700 there. And so then they move there and then their income taxes increases their pot. It's amazing what

00:40:36.340 happens when politicians actually clue in and realize that if they get, if they lower, reduce regulations

00:40:42.580 and cut taxes, people come there. It's like a beacon, people come there and with them, they bring

00:40:48.580 their jobs, they bring their small businesses, they pay their income taxes and all boats rise.

00:40:53.540 It really, I'm a born British Columbia and born and raised there. I worked out in Mordor for a long

00:40:58.100 time in Ottawa, but now here I am in Alberta. Um, BC has no business running a $9 billion deficit. They

00:41:05.540 don't, they are literally sitting on gold mines. Like they have got all of the natural resources.

00:41:12.500 Like it should embarrass them how much riches they have beneath their feet. It is. And they've got a

00:41:18.020 young, hardworking population, lots of families. They're ready to roll up their sleeves and do stuff.

00:41:22.980 Like it is just offensive that the BC government has run a $9 billion deficit. They've got no excuses.

00:41:31.060 Um, did we want to get onto, um, mortally embarrassing me or do we want to wait?

00:41:37.540 So the department of national defense, um, I can't even, so they're apparently buying supplies

00:41:45.140 for certain rooms that may or may not need them. My entire point in this is that, okay, just briefly,

00:41:52.100 I'm very rodeo girl, but I've got a strong Marilla Cuthbert streak in me. So this segment might kill me.

00:41:58.820 So if I die, um, this YouTube video will probably go viral and it's all for the greater good.

00:42:04.340 Who wants to take this away? Gentlemen. Sure. I can, I can, uh, brief it pretty quickly. Okay.

00:42:11.380 Uh, so essentially in December, the federal government introduced changes, a directive,

00:42:17.140 essentially under the labor code that required all federally regulated workplaces, including crown

00:42:23.220 corporations, et cetera, to supply, uh, all washrooms, including men's rooms with feminine hygiene

00:42:30.580 products. And the big attention was on the military. So we have military bases across Canada where the

00:42:38.980 men's rooms have tampon and pad dispensers. And we had an a tip we received recently that showed,

00:42:47.300 well, first of all, there was, as soon as this directive went into place,

00:42:50.660 there was incidents of vandalism. People were removing the, the receptacles from the wall. They

00:42:56.100 were, you know, putting question marks on it, drawing like little things on onto these things,

00:43:01.380 showing their protest against this government decision. But the department of national defense,

00:43:07.620 a tip showed that they actually wanted to investigate this as a hate crime. So they prompted

00:43:14.740 the military police, uh, particularly the hate crime and extremism unit and send several complaints

00:43:21.620 about this act. What I think is essentially an act of protest against the government directive.

00:43:26.900 And fortunately the military police said, this is nonsense. There's no evidence that this is actually

00:43:33.220 constitutes any sort of hate crime rather than just vandalisms and petty, you know, theft,

00:43:38.980 if you want to call it that because they were disappearing. But the funniest part of the story

00:43:42.980 was that military officials actually misinterpreted these tampons disappearing as, uh, indicative of

00:43:50.500 high demand and high use. So one janitor was refilling the tampon dispensers in the men's room twice a day

00:43:58.100 because he was so stunned that they were, you know, flying off the shelf. All the male soldiers and cadets 0.57

00:44:04.420 were taking these home with them or, or, or, or presumably using them. I hope that what happened

00:44:10.820 to these products that went missing was that they were, you know, taken home to their spouses or even

00:44:17.140 better donated to women's shelters. I think that's the, would be the, uh, fairytale ending of this,

00:44:23.620 this story. Yeah. Those are good things to hope for. I'd say, Cosmin, you know, just thinking about that,

00:44:30.580 someone arriving in that conclusion that, uh, the demand is so high that you have to refill it

00:44:35.060 twice a day in the men's bathroom of a military base where historically these are very masculine

00:44:40.900 men as you'd want your army to be, uh, not whomever would be using tampons in a men's room. So it just 0.55

00:44:49.460 makes me think that they didn't even think, stop to think about it for a second, because if they had,

00:44:54.100 I I'd assume that they'd immediately arrive at the conclusion that any sane person would,

00:44:59.300 that these tampons are clearly being discarded. So, I mean, reading those quotes in your article,

00:45:05.220 when I was reading your exclusive there, Cosmin, I mean, I laughed out loud literally because I

00:45:09.220 couldn't believe that, that they had arrived at that conclusion. And Chris, just to get you involved,

00:45:15.380 uh, I think there is a spending element to this story. We don't know the exact cost of this, but it

00:45:20.980 just makes me wonder like how many people does this affect? I'm sure there's a few of like a,

00:45:26.660 a small percentage of people who actually might be using these for legitimate purposes, but all that

00:45:32.180 money that, that goes to maintaining stock to, you know, install getting janitors to install these

00:45:37.700 things and, and the maintenance, et cetera, the supplies, how, like we could be spending that money

00:45:44.580 on soldiers who, who have to buy their own equipment while on military, uh, missions abroad,

00:45:50.660 uh, on bettering the situation of military families who can't find housing. These are

00:45:56.900 like central problems that the military is facing. And I think it would do more for recruitment to

00:46:03.140 address things like, you know, treating our military families and veterans with respect than this,

00:46:09.060 you know, superficial, ideologically inclined sort of woke equity initiative that like it's like,

00:46:16.660 what is this? Like, it seems to be a bandaid on a problem that is systemic and, and really is at the

00:46:22.820 foundation of what's going on with the Canadian armed forces. I think we had a recent example. I

00:46:28.180 can't remember the numbers on it where they weren't even able to source proper sleeping bags for the armed

00:46:33.940 forces, uh, guys and gals, because they weren't temperature appropriate. And somebody said just

00:46:38.980 a beautiful line, which I want to use all the time at the CTF. Why didn't they just go to Canadian tire?

00:46:45.140 And it's exactly that sort of question. I'm serious. That applies to all of this.

00:46:49.860 The government is really bad at doing stuff like really bad. They couldn't organize a two-car parade

00:46:57.540 as Milton Friedman put it. If you put them in charge of the Sahara desert in about a year,

00:47:01.700 they'd have a shortage of sand. So this is just the worst way, obviously, to go about something

00:47:07.460 that they think is a problem. They can't find a proper solution that, you know, helps everybody

00:47:12.340 involved. And I'm just cringing for many reasons, but also cringing at the price tag. Cosmin, have you

00:47:19.300 filed or are you going to file a tips or FOIs to find out the price tag on this thing?

00:47:25.540 Yeah, I think that's the intention. We should definitely look into that. And I suspect it'll,

00:47:31.300 it'll be pretty pricey. I've heard also from people at these bases that they're not even

00:47:36.900 resupplying these anymore because of these incidents. They've kind of given up, you know,

00:47:41.700 they followed the directive, installed the actual dispenser there. But by this point,

00:47:46.900 some bases seem to have just given up on the entire thing, which I think would probably be the

00:47:51.940 best thing is just cut your losses by this point. It's not, you know, there are other ways to address

00:47:57.940 an issue like that than just doing this wholesale. Every single base needs this. 0.88

00:48:03.300 To your point on that. And again, I think this is where some folks get caught up in intention.

00:48:10.100 So for example, with the whole school food program that the Trudeau government is trying to push

00:48:14.420 through. Yes, it's going to be a colossal waste of money in a disaster. We know that because the

00:48:18.820 government's trying to do something. So everybody just, you know, take the retail price, quadruple it,

00:48:24.580 and, you know, put in some shady deals there and you've got a government situation.

00:48:28.580 My point here though is actual outcome without the government involved. So for example, with the

00:48:35.060 school food program, we've got this. Like parents who ever hear about a kid that is hungry at school.

00:48:43.220 Oh my gosh. Like the office is covered in sandwiches and milks and granola bars and moms and dads pack extra

00:48:51.460 sandwiches for their kid's buddy at school. Like church groups get involved. Faith groups get

00:48:56.180 involved. Like local solutions that are earnest and heartfelt work. Work. We do not need the federal

00:49:05.940 government from, you know, 30,000 feet up trying to solve a problem with taxpayers' money and failing at

00:49:14.340 it. Because it's obviously failing too. So it's failing and it's wasting taxpayers' money and it's just

00:49:20.900 upsetting a lot of people. So again, I think it's a good comparison between something that could be

00:49:25.780 arguably well-intentioned, which then goes way off the rails because they aren't directly connected on

00:49:30.660 the ground to the issue. Is that enough fun for today? I think so. I had fun. I mostly did. I didn't

00:49:41.940 die. I'm glad I'm still breathing and talking. Okay guys, if anybody wants more information, of course,

00:49:47.780 go to the True North website and you can read all of these awesome articles. You saw all the

00:49:51.780 screenshots up there. If you want to completely nerd out on the carbon tax, head on over to

00:49:57.300 taxpayer.com. We did like so many articles on this over the last 10 years. Folks can read up on things

00:50:03.060 like emissions and how much it's actually costing you. And folks, thank you so much for tuning in.

00:50:08.020 Thanks for all of your comments online. Be sure to keep them coming. And until next time,

00:50:12.740 remember, all of this is off the record.

00:50:24.740 Thank you. I almost died.

00:50:26.980 I thought I'd like kept it pretty family friendly. You did. I've never said that word. So here we are.

00:50:37.460 I've managed to live 46 years and never said that word. Thank you both of you guys for talking about

00:50:43.620 that for me.

00:50:54.100 You

Off the Record - September 20, 2024

A carbon tax REVOLT？

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