Off the Record - July 12, 2024


An unhinged Elizabeth May


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

189.11427

Word Count

8,164

Sentence Count

441

Misogynist Sentences

17

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You're dressing down today, Isaac.
00:00:02.100 Yeah, like, I mean, it's almost unbearable in my house heat-wise, so I thought that a
00:00:10.140 suit would be a bit too hot, even right now, without the fan on.
00:00:15.980 Even with the fan on, I'm barely surviving here.
00:00:19.620 And I think you're wearing the same thing you were last time, William, so I have no
00:00:22.380 comments about your apparel.
00:00:23.620 I think so.
00:00:24.360 I was going to say it was 35 degrees here in Calgary yesterday, but of course, we are
00:00:29.100 in the middle of Scampede, and the best weather for Scampede is hot and sunny.
00:00:32.620 That's what you want it to be for the whole 10 days, so I'm not complaining, because this
00:00:37.480 is a beautiful time to be in Scampede.
00:00:40.540 All right, let's get this thing on the road.
00:00:50.160 Hello and welcome, everyone, to another exciting, or at least I hope exciting, edition of Off
00:00:55.240 the Record.
00:00:55.880 This is our Friday kickback show.
00:00:57.860 We cycle through a rotating cast of the True North characters, and we chit-chat about
00:01:02.700 the stories we have covered through the week, some of the ones we didn't get to.
00:01:06.000 We try to find the lighter side in this turbulent, chaotic, and crazy world as much as we can.
00:01:11.560 As I've joked with a couple of people, the worse things are for the country, the better
00:01:14.420 they are for our shows.
00:01:16.060 And Off the Record is no exception.
00:01:18.160 I'm Andrew Lawton, with you for the next However Long This Takes, joined by True North
00:01:22.280 Chief Operations Officer.
00:01:24.200 Or is it Chief Operating Officer?
00:01:25.440 I don't know, I just call you COO usually, William McBeth, and our Alberta correspondent,
00:01:30.080 Isaac Lamoureux.
00:01:31.560 Good to have you both with us.
00:01:33.080 How's the Alberta summer treating you?
00:01:36.500 It's great here in Calgary.
00:01:37.740 As I said, Scampede season, everybody's happy.
00:01:40.520 It's hot.
00:01:41.120 It's sunny.
00:01:41.780 We have water again.
00:01:43.560 Everything's coming up, Calgary.
00:01:46.300 Yeah.
00:01:47.360 It's okay here, I guess.
00:01:48.520 Really hot.
00:01:49.180 I'm dying in my house.
00:01:50.580 And all my friends are at the Stampede.
00:01:52.020 I guess they don't have to work nine to five jobs, so they can just go whenever they'd
00:01:55.780 like.
00:01:56.220 But I'm obviously in my office working.
00:01:59.640 Yes, and don't you forget it.
00:02:02.260 You're also in Edmonton, so it's not like, it's not like we're the reason, it's not like
00:02:05.800 I'm keeping you from Stampede.
00:02:07.240 Geography is keeping you from Stampede.
00:02:09.280 Now, what we did do is force Isaac to turn off his fan before the show began, because it
00:02:13.900 was like coming through to the microphone.
00:02:15.800 So if he's like, just like melting into a puddle by the end of it, that will be why.
00:02:19.580 So this is the benefit of live to tape.
00:02:22.620 Anyway, I must say, despite how people may make an assumption based on my appearance,
00:02:27.900 I'm not a huge fast food person.
00:02:29.960 Certainly, I could not tell you the last time I was at a KFC, but KFC has been in the news
00:02:36.040 this week, Isaac.
00:02:37.120 What's going on?
00:02:38.660 Yeah, I actually can't tell you the last time I've been to KFC either, but I definitely don't
00:02:44.560 plan on going anytime soon, given the recent news, which is that Ontario KFC restaurants,
00:02:50.820 sorry, Ontario KFC restaurants are going halal friendly or Muslim friendly with halal chicken
00:02:57.860 and the removal of pork products from their menu.
00:03:01.120 So all of the restaurants in Ontario, except those in Thunder Bay and in Ottawa, have switched
00:03:06.860 to halal chicken and removed pork products like bacon from their menu, except for the
00:03:13.200 joint KFC and Taco Bell locations.
00:03:16.660 Do you still get your bacon if the KFC is sharing a roof with a Taco Bell?
00:03:20.820 That's right.
00:03:21.800 So if you really want your bacon, you're going to have to go to a shared location.
00:03:26.420 And when we were discussing this on Monday, when we weren't even sure if it were true
00:03:30.480 or not, I thought for sure that it would be the case that it was just one radical owner
00:03:36.760 at one KFC location.
00:03:38.480 But all across the province, I mean, this is very surprising for me, especially considering
00:03:42.940 I like to think that Western culture sees bacon as one of their favorite foods, whereas when
00:03:50.560 I was looking at the data, the Muslim population in Ontario is about five to six percent.
00:03:55.840 So you're really alienating a lot more people than you're catering to, I'd say.
00:04:00.080 What do you guys think?
00:04:01.000 Yeah, and also I would say everyone's focusing on the Ontario bit, but if you can put that
00:04:05.660 letter back up, this is a letter that KFC sent out to community leaders.
00:04:10.260 So I believe it was sent out to like the heads of various Muslim organizations and mosques
00:04:14.460 back in May.
00:04:15.900 It says this will be followed by the rest of Canada by year end.
00:04:20.900 So by the end of the year, they'll have taken this Ontario project and made it national.
00:04:25.340 So this is causing a bit of a moral panic of sorts on Twitter.
00:04:28.740 You've got some people that are saying, you know, boycott KFC.
00:04:31.120 I don't want to eat that halal chicken.
00:04:32.620 I actually am of the mindset that I don't really care.
00:04:35.200 I've had halal chicken.
00:04:36.480 One of my favorite go to things if I am out in the world is shawarma and shawarma restaurants
00:04:41.380 are almost all halal.
00:04:42.740 I do think that whenever a company makes a decision like this, you always have to wonder
00:04:47.740 why is it because they're looking at a decision that's being made for commercial reasons
00:04:53.000 or is it that they're doing something to try to pander?
00:04:56.100 And apparently, I didn't realize this until I was looking into this story.
00:04:59.980 Almost all the chicken chains in Canada are halal, like Mary Brown's is halal, Popeye's
00:05:05.340 is halal.
00:05:05.860 So KFC in that way is a bit of a laggard.
00:05:08.020 I'm more intrigued by the removal of bacon because it's one thing to add something to the
00:05:13.400 menu that doesn't really change anything for anyone else.
00:05:15.640 Like you're not, you don't become a Muslim when you have halal chicken, but taking away something
00:05:19.980 the consumers wanted, that to me is a bit more, that to me, I find a bit more interesting
00:05:26.680 here.
00:05:27.020 What do you think, William?
00:05:28.200 Yeah, I was thinking about the bacon thing and I don't recall the last time I was at
00:05:33.700 a KFC and I'm not sure if anything they sell has bacon on it, but then I thought-
00:05:39.960 They said they were removing pork from the menu, so it must have been on the menu in some
00:05:43.040 form.
00:05:43.620 I guess so.
00:05:44.200 I mean, logically, yes, that would make sense.
00:05:46.560 I guess now I was thinking though, that if you think about big fast food chains like
00:05:50.140 McDonald's or Burger King or even Subway and I mean, Starbucks has breakfast sandwiches.
00:05:56.700 All of these places have bacon and it can't be that Muslim people don't go to any of those
00:06:03.660 fast food restaurants, right?
00:06:05.520 Like I can't imagine that that precludes people from going there and ordering, like if you're
00:06:11.160 at McDonald's, I don't know, the Filet-O-Fish, which probably has very little bacon on it
00:06:15.120 altogether.
00:06:15.580 So that led me to think this was more about virtue signaling than it was about specifically
00:06:22.840 addressing the religious dietary requirements of a segment of the Canadian population.
00:06:28.500 And virtue signaling, of course, is something that companies love to do without always thinking
00:06:32.920 through, well, it cuts both ways.
00:06:34.540 It signals good things, but then what other signal does it send maybe to the rest of Canada?
00:06:38.760 So something to think about.
00:06:39.780 Yeah, and when it comes to like kosher food and kosher restaurants, some Orthodox Jews
00:06:45.120 do have very strict requirements on the facilities and even on the plates, like they can't even
00:06:50.740 eat off of a plate that at one point had non-kosher meat or meat and dairy mixed or something
00:06:55.560 like that.
00:06:55.880 I'm not aware of Islam being so strict.
00:06:59.540 And again, that's just like Orthodox Jews.
00:07:01.620 So I don't even think there is a facility rule where if bacon was served on something else, they can't have even the
00:07:07.760 halal chicken on the menu.
00:07:08.860 I don't know about that.
00:07:09.900 But what was the reaction like to this that you saw, Isaac?
00:07:14.460 Yeah, well, firstly, I was actually looking at the stock price.
00:07:18.420 This is from Yum Food or Yum Brands, which is the parent company of KFC.
00:07:23.140 And I was like, oh, maybe because obviously Legacy Media has picked up this story now.
00:07:28.180 So I thought, OK, the story is getting around.
00:07:30.160 We'll see if their stock price has dropped.
00:07:31.960 And to my surprise, it hasn't really, although it did drop over the last month, but not in relation
00:07:36.060 to this news from what I can tell just based on the timeline there.
00:07:39.840 But of course, people on X are always more critical than any other public sphere.
00:07:45.020 So yeah, there was definitely some backlash on X, but it hasn't really reflected their stock price.
00:07:49.700 So I don't know that that's obviously what they're going to care about most as a company in regard
00:07:55.000 to public backlash.
00:07:56.480 So if their stock hasn't taken a hit, I don't think they're going to see a fault in their action
00:08:00.780 personally.
00:08:02.160 Yeah, and it's also like one of these things that seems very online.
00:08:06.260 Like the average consumer would have no idea going into a KFC on one day that, oh, this
00:08:12.280 chicken tastes halal versus the time before.
00:08:14.840 Now, I don't know.
00:08:15.420 I don't know if the restaurants are now like in some areas putting up big signs that say,
00:08:18.920 you know, now halal.
00:08:20.100 Like I don't know how much attention they're drawing to it.
00:08:22.160 What I found interesting and one of the reasons I found this to be suspect originally, because
00:08:26.960 what happened was this letter that we put up on the screen earlier, we're circulating
00:08:30.240 online.
00:08:30.900 The letter is dated May.
00:08:32.840 We're now July 11th.
00:08:34.340 So anytime you see something that you're like, okay, why now?
00:08:37.060 And I had wondered if it was photoshopped or if it was faked or something like that.
00:08:40.680 So the fact that it's taken this long means that KFC, it seemed like in May when they
00:08:45.320 made this change, was really just quietly announcing it to members of the Muslim community.
00:08:49.280 They weren't trying to draw a lot of attention to it.
00:08:52.020 And when we wrote the story, I don't even think KFC responded.
00:08:54.660 Did they?
00:08:57.160 No, from what I read in the story, it said that they didn't.
00:09:00.400 Yeah.
00:09:01.040 Yeah.
00:09:01.320 And so that I found quite interesting.
00:09:03.560 So again, like at the end of the day, who cares?
00:09:05.840 It's a company.
00:09:06.580 They can do what they want.
00:09:07.480 But I'm always just so skeptical of any corporate decisions now, that they're not rooted in anything
00:09:14.200 resembling what they're supposed to be.
00:09:16.400 And the great example I give about that is that I live not too far from General Dynamics
00:09:22.000 Land Systems, which in my city of London, Ontario, is known for exporting armored vehicles
00:09:27.560 to Saudi Arabia.
00:09:28.520 So it's amusing when you drive by and you see like the trans-friendly pride flag up in
00:09:34.820 front of the facility manufacturing Saudi tanks.
00:09:38.020 And you're like, well, why don't you just put one of those on every one to Saudi Arabia?
00:09:40.940 Why don't you just slap that on the vehicles there?
00:09:43.460 Oh, because you don't actually believe this when it's about your business that you're pandering
00:09:47.900 to.
00:09:48.980 Yeah.
00:09:49.560 And I had to laugh that if I guess if KFC really wanted to drive home the point, every
00:09:53.940 location would have a cutout of the Prophet Muhammad eating a chicken sandwich.
00:09:58.360 Or something, which I doubt is what they're going to do.
00:10:02.540 I don't think we're going to see that in KFC time soon.
00:10:05.020 But yeah, every time you see a company try to virtue signal or put out something that
00:10:10.100 seems to be more about style than substance, you have to wonder if, is there an ulterior
00:10:17.600 motive or is this simply a business decision as usual and everybody should go about their
00:10:23.180 lives?
00:10:23.600 I mean, personally, I'm waiting for Chick-fil-A to open up here again in Calgary and solves
00:10:28.180 all my problems.
00:10:29.260 So yeah, we have a Chick-fil-A in London now.
00:10:32.360 And the problem is it's like clean on the other end of town.
00:10:34.660 So I've never actually been to it, although there was a time I would have killed for it.
00:10:37.900 And I don't know if Chick-fil-A is halal.
00:10:39.460 I don't think so.
00:10:41.360 I couldn't tell you.
00:10:42.360 Don't know.
00:10:43.400 Probably I'm not going to do the homework on it either, if I'm honest.
00:10:46.020 So one thing I will say, when you mentioned earlier, William, other restaurants that have
00:10:50.440 bacon and pork, the thing that's interesting, I've actually been to the Middle East.
00:10:54.680 I've been to, well, Egypt is not Middle East, but it's a Muslim country.
00:10:57.500 And I've been to the United Arab Emirates.
00:10:58.940 And you don't realize how important pork is until you go to a breakfast buffet in a Muslim
00:11:06.060 country and you realize that pork sausages are better than any other sausages and pork
00:11:12.020 bacon is better than any other bacon.
00:11:13.900 Like they all have the alternatives, but they really, really pale in comparison to the real
00:11:18.960 thing.
00:11:19.460 Well, and let's be clear.
00:11:20.840 It's not bacon if it's not made from pork.
00:11:23.360 No matter what the soy lobby tells you, soy bacon is not bacon.
00:11:27.320 Or turkey bacon, beef bacon.
00:11:29.120 I mean, turkey bacon, which is better than soy bacon, is still not actual bacon.
00:11:33.320 It's a poor imitation at best.
00:11:36.680 Yeah.
00:11:37.160 If you gave me a turkey bacon, let's say, and said it was sausage or something, I'd be less
00:11:41.860 disappointed because once you hear the word bacon, you know, you think of what bacon is,
00:11:45.740 the taste, the smell, everything that makes it so wonderful.
00:11:48.080 And then you taste turkey bacon, for example, and it's like, oh, you're just going to be disappointed
00:11:52.820 because it's not comparable in any way.
00:11:55.800 All right.
00:11:56.480 Well, we can all agree on the importance of bacon.
00:11:59.480 Anyway, let's move to the next topic, which I've very much forgotten.
00:12:03.560 So excuse me while I desperately try to find where we are in our rundown here.
00:12:07.220 Oh, I'm not even doing it.
00:12:08.220 It's you.
00:12:09.220 William, speaking of the Middle East, what has Canada been exporting there?
00:12:12.840 Yeah.
00:12:13.200 Well, you know, if you watch international news, you usually see the prime minister embarrassing
00:12:18.320 Canada on the international stage.
00:12:20.240 He's, I believe, down in the United States right now at a NATO summit pledging that Canada
00:12:26.380 will finally meet its 2% GDP goal, although he's providing precious few details on how that
00:12:32.860 will achieve.
00:12:33.440 But one area where apparently Canada is just thundering forward and leading the way is in
00:12:40.720 intersectional feminism.
00:12:42.140 According to our representative in Lebanon, she attended a conference and she was proud
00:12:48.380 to say that good news, people of Lebanon, Canada's intersectional feminist approach to foreign
00:12:56.580 policy is going great.
00:12:58.520 Now, let's roll the clip before we unpack this further.
00:13:02.900 Yep.
00:13:04.600 As for Canada, it has been implementing a feminist foreign policy since 2016.
00:13:10.320 Canada's feminist foreign policy seeks to be inclusive, intersectional, transformative, and
00:13:16.000 grounded in human rights.
00:13:18.080 It takes into account the diverse experiences of women, men, and non-binary people facing multiple
00:13:25.060 and intersecting forms of discrimination and exclusion, like income, race, religion, sexual
00:13:32.380 orientation, gender expression, language, ability, and age.
00:13:37.620 This allows us to be more responsive to systemic inequalities, specific needs and circumstances,
00:13:43.740 and to avoid unintentional harm.
00:13:46.500 Our feminist foreign policy is also cross-cutting.
00:13:48.980 It applies across all of our international efforts, including diplomacy, trade, security, development,
00:13:56.740 and consular services.
00:14:01.140 That was Sylvie Michaud, who is a diplomat at the Embassy for Canada in Lebanon, speaking in
00:14:09.340 Beirut at the Asfari Institute for Civil Society and Citizenship.
00:14:15.380 Okay.
00:14:18.980 I'm a little bit, just, our colleague Cosman Georgia wrote about this, and he's noted that
00:14:25.740 perhaps the intersectional feminist foreign policy has not necessarily been well-received
00:14:31.040 in Lebanon, which has a child marriage and basically takes a very anti-woman view on anything
00:14:39.540 to do with family law.
00:14:41.800 So it's not really working, is it, Isaac?
00:14:44.160 Yeah, no, what came to mind actually was I saw a clip earlier of Trudeau speaking at the
00:14:50.140 NATO summit where they questioned him on the GDP spending, and he said Canada was punching
00:14:54.860 above its weight class, which obviously isn't true in regard to defense spending.
00:14:58.920 We have no plan to get to 2% of our GDP requirement as required by NATO allies.
00:15:04.820 But where Canada might be punching above its weight class actually is foreign investments
00:15:10.580 in anything to do with gender diversity, any DEI terms that come to mind, like intersectional
00:15:18.520 feminism.
00:15:20.360 So, I mean, I don't know, I kind of laughed even watching this, I was like, I don't really
00:15:26.920 even understand what's happening here.
00:15:29.160 And so it's like the flags on the GDLS vehicles, you know, you can send them there, but probably
00:15:35.500 not.
00:15:36.260 William, you worked for the Harper government previously, and that was a time when Canadian
00:15:40.760 foreign policy looked vastly different than it does now.
00:15:44.060 I mean, would you ever have imagined there that even under a liberal government, this
00:15:47.140 would be the way that we're portraying ourselves abroad?
00:15:50.860 Yeah, I mean, you know, this isn't to say, by the way, that advancing equality and human
00:15:56.740 rights for women isn't important.
00:15:58.720 It absolutely is the important thing.
00:16:01.180 The problem is the woke speech that so many of our diplomats now seem to employ at the behest
00:16:08.380 of our current government does tend to make countries like, say, example, Lebanon,
00:16:13.520 who is possibly going to go to war with Israel at some point in the near future, possibly it
00:16:20.200 seems out of step with the everyday concerns of people who are living in that country, that
00:16:25.980 maybe focusing on intersectional feminism is a luxury compared to, say, fundamental human
00:16:33.200 rights, the abolishment of religious courts, which tend to persecute minorities, women, and
00:16:39.040 people of different sexual orientations, or the fact that large swaths of the country
00:16:42.960 still don't have the infrastructure and quality of life that you would expect.
00:16:48.440 So, you know, when we show up in these places and preach about woke nonsense, it diminishes
00:16:56.000 Canada's standing in the world.
00:16:57.820 And certainly, say what you will, about Prime Minister Harper, he was taken far more seriously
00:17:03.540 and treated with far more respect than the current incumbent is right now.
00:17:08.340 I think there's something to the idea of leading by example rather than preaching.
00:17:14.140 And, you know, one of the things that the Stephen Harper government did was ensure there
00:17:18.660 was a path for gay people who were being persecuted in their home countries.
00:17:23.320 This was something they've done and the liberals have continued.
00:17:25.580 And showing that you respect gay rights, that projects a positive image to the world.
00:17:30.160 The problem when you go into countries that have vastly different worldviews and you start
00:17:34.420 telling them how they're supposed to do things, it just doesn't work.
00:17:38.640 And I mean, Saudi Arabia is an interesting example of it.
00:17:40.880 I saw this week there's a Nike ad that has been made that's in Saudi Arabia that is all
00:17:46.720 about basically women's empowerment.
00:17:48.820 It shows, you know, younger females that aren't wearing hijabs, that are doing sports, that
00:17:52.800 are swimming, running around, playing.
00:17:54.720 And again, the idea that an ad like that in Saudi Arabia, which again, a country that I will
00:17:58.960 not say is at all a bastion of liberalism for women's rights or any other minority rights,
00:18:04.140 but that that ad could be made there would have been unheard of.
00:18:07.360 But you don't get there by finger wagging.
00:18:09.980 And that's, I think, what the Canadian government is doing on a lot of these things.
00:18:14.300 Yeah, that's another thing that came to mind here was, I mean, why would Lebanon listen to
00:18:19.700 what we have to say?
00:18:20.540 Why would they care?
00:18:21.660 You know, we can tell them, oh, you have to do this.
00:18:23.140 You have to do that.
00:18:23.660 But as you alluded to, William, if Trudeau and Canada as a whole don't really have international
00:18:29.440 respect, they're not going to listen to us.
00:18:31.840 That's that's something people always brought up about former President Donald Trump was
00:18:35.260 like he said things, sure, but he he also commanded leaders his respect.
00:18:41.140 So I don't know.
00:18:42.060 And another thing that I wanted to mention was.
00:18:45.700 Call me a nationalist, I guess, but I just think of all the issues happening here in Canada
00:18:50.420 and maybe maybe I don't agree with investing hundreds of millions and billions of dollars
00:18:57.860 abroad when we have so many problems to fix in our own country.
00:19:02.500 Well, I know you're right about that.
00:19:03.940 I mean, the entire foreign aid discussion is one that I think desperately needs a reset,
00:19:08.500 because I've seen little to no evidence that the Canadian approach to foreign aid even works
00:19:13.880 and is yielding dividends.
00:19:16.360 I mean, the problem is that the countries that need the help the most are countries that typically
00:19:19.980 have rampant corruption and money ends up just in the pockets of dictators far more than
00:19:24.980 it helps any people.
00:19:27.300 Yeah, no, it's a sad reality that so much of foreign aid, well intentioned foreign aid is
00:19:32.760 simply going to make thugs and criminals wealthy in these countries that desperately need help.
00:19:38.240 But it requires, I think, some really new thinking and using the new technology that we have available
00:19:44.280 to us.
00:19:44.660 You know, there are examples of where governments are bypassing NGOs and governments entirely
00:19:50.000 and simply loading money onto the cell phones of individual people living in very desperate
00:19:56.560 circumstances because it's the only way that they can get around the pickpocketing that happens
00:20:01.600 for so many foreign aid budgets.
00:20:03.660 But you're absolutely right.
00:20:04.560 And of course, foreign aid comes at a cost.
00:20:06.440 You know, money we spend on foreign aid is money we can't spend on Canadian health care,
00:20:12.180 is money we can't spend on our armed forces, is money we can't spend on any other of the
00:20:16.080 thousand priorities that exist.
00:20:18.120 So, you know, when you see Canadian diplomats traveling the world and talking about things
00:20:24.920 like intersectional feminism, it does make you wonder, really, how much bang for our bucks
00:20:30.220 we're getting on this dog and pony show that we call foreign affairs.
00:20:33.940 What we really need when it comes to projecting an image of Canada to the world is the austere
00:20:40.760 reverence of Elizabeth May.
00:20:43.880 Roll it.
00:20:44.540 I've got another grandbaby coming at the end of October and I feel very, very committed
00:20:51.320 as I think everybody my age should.
00:20:55.840 Baby boomers have f***ed this planet and we can't walk away and leave it for our kids to
00:21:01.560 fix it.
00:21:02.020 And I'm sorry I just used the F word out loud, but I think kids understand what I'm saying.
00:21:06.280 I'm a very, I'm a 70 year old, angry, cranky version of Glitta Thunberg.
00:21:11.280 And am I ready?
00:21:12.380 You bet.
00:21:13.980 I feel like you could Photoshop in like a giant overflowing wine glass there in the shot
00:21:18.900 and it would just, it would be probably even more believable.
00:21:22.200 Now, this is a woman who in the past, I would remind you all, has kind of become the civility
00:21:29.420 tone checker in the House of Commons.
00:21:32.440 This was her taking aim at Michelle Rempel Garner back when she was just Michelle Rempel for
00:21:37.520 using a different F word in the parliamentary precinct.
00:21:42.060 Why does this government treat Alberta like a fart in the room that nobody wants to talk
00:21:47.500 about or acknowledge?
00:21:49.140 That is where my constituents have been at with this government for over a year.
00:21:53.480 The Honorable Member for Saanich Gulf Islands.
00:21:56.620 I interrupt my friend in her speech, but I heard her say a word that I know is distinctly
00:22:03.140 unparliamentary and I think she may want to withdraw it.
00:22:06.640 The word was F-A-R-T.
00:22:09.280 Are we, are you serious, Mr. Speaker?
00:22:11.080 Like, is my colleague actually serious?
00:22:12.920 I just gave an impassioned speech about supporting Alberta jobs.
00:22:16.840 And that's what the leader of a political party stands up and has to say.
00:22:20.620 No, I don't withdraw it.
00:22:22.780 Decorum is important and respect is important to this place.
00:22:26.320 I remind those who are now heckling me that you are breaking the rules of this place when
00:22:30.520 you do so.
00:22:32.720 Okay, just, just again, let's go back to the other Elizabeth May clip, Elizabeth May this
00:22:36.760 week.
00:22:37.040 I, I just want to get that sense of decorum.
00:22:39.440 Baby boomers have f***ed this planet and we can't walk away and leave it for our kids to
00:22:45.340 fix it.
00:22:46.840 I, I'm not one of these profanity pearl clutchers.
00:22:50.580 I, I keep profanity out of my show and we generally keep it out of True North.
00:22:54.640 If you want to get Elizabeth May uncensored, you can, you know, do that on Twitter.
00:22:58.400 Um, so I, again, I'm not, so I don't really care, but it's a little rich for her to, you
00:23:02.020 know, take aim at Michelle Rempel using a four letter F word for flatulence while dropping
00:23:07.060 the mother of all F-bombs, uh, herself.
00:23:10.520 Again, I, am I, am I reading, am I paying too much attention to Elizabeth May, Isaac?
00:23:14.380 This is, I'm totally prepared to accept that.
00:23:16.360 Uh, I don't think so.
00:23:18.920 And look, a lot of the chatter online, let's say has, has, has, uh, alleged, I guess that
00:23:26.580 she was drunk or whatever.
00:23:27.560 And I don't want, I don't want to speak to that because I don't know whether she was or
00:23:30.660 not, but I am slightly, I will say concerned about Elizabeth May.
00:23:34.940 Like, is she okay on numerous occasions.
00:23:37.100 Now we've seen very odd things most recently from when she had a completely different interpretation
00:23:43.620 of the, uh, NSOP report than Jagmeet Singh did.
00:23:47.320 Cause of course he said, he said there were treacherous MPs and she said, oh no, there's
00:23:50.580 no, there's no treacherous MPs.
00:23:52.460 Uh, the media blew it out of proportion, which are two very, very, very different things to
00:23:55.800 say about our report.
00:23:56.580 Very different.
00:23:57.740 So I, I'm, I'm, I'm very concerned, uh, about Elizabeth May.
00:24:02.140 Uh, also her co-leader, uh, or whatever, Jonathan Pedneau just resigned.
00:24:07.820 And he said it was family issues, but of course there could be something deeper to that story
00:24:12.260 as well.
00:24:12.760 I'm not, I'm not really sure.
00:24:14.780 I don't know.
00:24:15.540 And Elizabeth May is kind of all over the place.
00:24:17.300 She also, uh, just said that it was quote obvious that it was time for Justin Trudeau
00:24:21.500 to step down, which I, I wouldn't say I disagree with, but I mean, she's really putting herself
00:24:25.560 out there more than we may have been used to in the past.
00:24:28.900 She's basically made herself out to be the permanent leader of the green party.
00:24:32.620 There was that brief break from her with Anna May Paul, who was probably one of the
00:24:35.840 more credible, sensible people that party has.
00:24:39.540 And now we're like right back into Elizabeth May being just the, the permanent, the permanent
00:24:44.420 party leader for the greens.
00:24:47.080 Yeah.
00:24:47.560 You know, I mean, I, maybe I have a soft spot.
00:24:49.560 I enjoy an Elizabeth May press conference because they're rarely dull.
00:24:52.820 You never quite know what you're going to get.
00:24:54.680 And she opens her mouth and starts sharing her things.
00:24:58.300 And on this, where was it she did?
00:24:59.700 Like she played the welcome back Cotter theme song and Lisa Raid had to pull her off stage.
00:25:04.360 Was that the parliamentary press gallery dinner?
00:25:06.680 I, yeah, I think it was.
00:25:07.800 You're talking about Omar Cotter and called him like that.
00:25:10.540 It was weird.
00:25:11.280 Yeah.
00:25:11.640 You know, in, um, in classical times, we would refer to politicians who, uh, maybe had a glass
00:25:17.280 or too much to drink as tired and emotional, looking tired and emotional.
00:25:21.640 But, uh, just on the whole, um, use of foul language, perhaps Elizabeth May was more upset
00:25:27.520 about the word fart, because of course that involves the release of greenhouse gas emissions,
00:25:33.440 which we know she's quite passionate about.
00:25:35.640 So maybe that's what drove her to the double standard.
00:25:40.020 As soon as you started that sentence, I'm like, is he going, is he, yeah, he's going there.
00:25:45.520 She's offended by methane, not, uh, not profanity.
00:25:48.720 Uh, it's a, you know, it's a big part of the greenhouse gas cocktail.
00:25:53.680 But I think methane contributes more to parliamentary decorum than anything Elizabeth, that's come
00:25:59.500 out of Elizabeth May's mouth.
00:26:01.760 Uh, quite possibly, but I'd say, you know, at least she isn't dull.
00:26:05.660 At least we are getting just another boring talking point filled speech.
00:26:10.020 Oh, so I just looked it up.
00:26:11.180 The, the Elizabeth May, uh, thing on Omar Cotter, it was 2015.
00:26:14.540 It was during the parliamentary press gallery dinner and she used the F word there too.
00:26:18.880 She said, Omar Cotter had more class than the whole effing cabinet.
00:26:21.940 So it really, and so, and this was before she tone policed Michelle Rempel, uh, now Michelle
00:26:27.580 Rempel-Garner.
00:26:28.380 So my goodness.
00:26:29.480 Okay.
00:26:30.040 Oh, Elizabeth May, there we go.
00:26:31.620 Uh, we'll move on to our next topic today.
00:26:35.300 Uh, I keep, I keep going away from the screen that has the topics on it.
00:26:38.280 Oh, this one is also yours, William.
00:26:39.780 This is, uh, speaking of emissions, uh, some, uh, one of our favorite things to talk about
00:26:44.240 here, climate hypocrisy.
00:26:46.160 Yeah.
00:26:46.800 And, uh, and how to get yourself a government travel agent, because I can tell you, I'm pretty
00:26:52.080 jealous about where some of these people get to jet off with in this case are, um, and believe
00:26:57.600 it or not, we have one, our climate change ambassador who's been on the job for just about
00:27:02.560 two years, spending a quarter of a million dollars on travel expenses, which in, you got
00:27:09.740 to admit in two years, that's an, um, pretty impressive level of spending.
00:27:13.520 You have to, I think you really have to quite work at spending that much money in such a
00:27:17.320 short period of time.
00:27:18.120 But of course, what so infuriates ordinary Canadians like us, you know, what, what it was
00:27:23.860 just a few weeks ago where Mark, um, Holland chastised anybody who was thinking of taking
00:27:29.160 a summer road trip as being a climate killer.
00:27:32.420 That's going to let the planet burn.
00:27:34.400 And then meanwhile, you've got the ambassador for climate change, crisscrossing the country
00:27:40.100 on flights and staying in these very expensive hotels and achieving no one knows exactly what
00:27:46.620 certainly not a reduction in our greenhouse gas emissions.
00:27:49.440 I would imagine hers are vastly higher than the average Canadian.
00:27:53.660 So, uh, yeah, just another example of climate hypocrisy, uh, a government that says, do as I
00:28:00.420 say, not as I do.
00:28:03.140 Yeah.
00:28:03.620 And I remember John Kerry was the one criticised in the U S cause he's their climate envoy and
00:28:08.720 he was taking private jets and he was asked about this at one point and he very glibly
00:28:12.360 said, well, he's too busy.
00:28:13.920 He can't always fly commercial.
00:28:15.120 And I had actually asked John Kerry about that when I saw him in Davos, where he is a bit
00:28:20.660 of a mainstay.
00:28:21.500 And it's the same sort of glibness you get from these people because they believe that
00:28:25.340 they're more important than you.
00:28:27.460 So they need to fly around the world because they have a really, really important job to
00:28:31.880 do.
00:28:32.000 The rest of us, plebs, no, no, no, we don't get to.
00:28:35.000 Yeah.
00:28:35.400 This is a nice, uh, transition, I suppose, considering we just went from seeing the hypocrisy of Elizabeth
00:28:40.860 May now to the hypocrisy of these high flying elites, let's call them.
00:28:45.460 And we've seen this with many Canadian ministers like Guibo, Trudeau, criticizing, uh, normal
00:28:52.280 Canadians for, I mean, simply trying to live their everyday life as they fly their private
00:28:57.980 jets around the country, uh, on a daily basis, what it seems like.
00:29:01.880 So I don't know what it would take for this hypocrisy to end, but you know, it's, it just,
00:29:07.040 it's interesting to me whenever these ministers, uh, let's say propose, uh, some sort of guideline
00:29:14.680 for, I don't know, carbon emissions, let's say, uh, uh, a carbon footprint, a personal
00:29:20.600 carbon footprint, let's say it's like, well, well, could you live within that?
00:29:23.640 I, I highly doubt that the answer would be yes.
00:29:25.740 Yeah.
00:29:28.140 And I, I kind of take the view, I mean, France, for example, uh, within the last year, I think
00:29:33.240 it was banned domestic air travel and, you know, it seemed ridiculous on the surface.
00:29:37.880 And then you think, okay, well, at least in France, you have a way to get around quite
00:29:41.220 easily.
00:29:41.520 They've got a rail system that's quite good, but a lot of the eco radicals would not
00:29:46.200 hesitate to push something like that in Canada as well.
00:29:49.400 And, you know, David Suzuki famously would fly all around the world, uh, with a huge carbon
00:29:53.900 footprint, I think always in business class telling Canadians that, oh, no one should
00:29:58.120 be able to, you know, politicians who don't act on climate change should be put in jail.
00:30:02.220 It's okay.
00:30:02.760 Well, why are you so different than them?
00:30:04.040 Your carbon footprint is better, uh, is, is higher than the average Canadian that you're
00:30:09.120 trying to force to pay this insane carbon tax.
00:30:12.200 Yeah, I absolutely think it's the hypocrisy that's, that turns so many Canadians off the
00:30:17.200 whole, uh, preachiness of government.
00:30:19.420 You know, we talked about how preachy this government's been in foreign affairs and, and on other
00:30:23.420 things, but that's one of the things the government likes to do most is to preach.
00:30:26.360 It likes to say, you know, you, dear Canadian are not living up to our, our vast and high
00:30:33.840 standards.
00:30:34.720 And the problem is you.
00:30:36.080 It's not how any of us are living our lives.
00:30:38.280 And now correct me if I'm wrong.
00:30:39.860 I did read the article, but, uh, I want to make sure I get this right.
00:30:43.520 Did it say she took a flight from Ottawa to Toronto and it cost $10,000?
00:30:49.160 Is that, uh, is that somewhere in there?
00:30:51.060 Now I apologize if I read that part wrong, but, uh, part of me wonders what part of the
00:30:56.920 world could you even fly to that's going to cost $10,000?
00:31:00.520 Like you can get from Toronto to Sydney, Australia, which I would argue is pretty well the most,
00:31:06.400 the furthest, uh, uh, you could go, uh, from Canada.
00:31:09.940 And, uh, I, I think that even wouldn't cost you.
00:31:12.920 No, I think it was the, the conference attendance, uh, cost that I think.
00:31:16.120 Oh, yeah, the whole trip.
00:31:18.340 Yeah.
00:31:18.620 But I think she was putting on a little thing still, still quite insane.
00:31:21.500 And by the way, why didn't she take the train from Ottawa to Toronto?
00:31:23.900 That's one where you have a lower carbon alternative.
00:31:26.200 And, you know, why doesn't she look for some cheaper options when staying in hotels or when
00:31:30.800 taking flights?
00:31:31.460 You know, oftentimes if I, you know, as a true North employees can attest when they submit
00:31:36.480 proposals for travel, my first reaction is often to see if there's a cheaper way of being
00:31:41.560 able to do the trip.
00:31:42.580 Can we send you in a day before?
00:31:44.860 Can we put you in a nearby town as opposed to right next to where the event is happening?
00:31:50.480 That's in a different country.
00:31:52.440 That is dangerous for, uh, for having a deal with, uh, my cost.
00:31:55.940 But I was, again, I was being far more cost efficient than Mark Carney and our climate ambassador
00:32:00.240 are when they go to Davos.
00:32:01.920 But it's almost like they purposely choose the most expensive option whenever they travel.
00:32:06.880 And that really grates on Canadians who are having to be so careful with how they spend
00:32:12.340 their money these days.
00:32:13.320 You know, I don't think a lot of people object to the fact that sometimes our politicians and
00:32:17.540 government people are going to have to travel for their work.
00:32:20.160 You know, we're not going to ask Justin Trudeau to zoom in to the NATO meeting.
00:32:24.420 We think maybe there's value in him being there.
00:32:26.320 But do we absolutely have to choose the single most expensive way of getting politicians from
00:32:30.420 point A to point B, having them stay in the nicest hotels?
00:32:33.080 Uh, I think that's what really bugs Canadians when they see their hard earned tax dollars
00:32:37.500 being just squandered on luxury for politicians and the elite.
00:32:42.900 There was one time, I think it was in Washington DC, actually, where I was booking a hotel room
00:32:47.400 and it was, you could choose the rate and it was, you know, the AAA member, CAA member rate,
00:32:54.340 the regular rate, whatever.
00:32:55.900 And I recall, I looked at the government rate and just cause I was going through them and
00:33:00.700 it was higher than the regular rate.
00:33:02.200 Now it might've just been a fluke, but it might not have been because, you know, you
00:33:05.960 have cities where they know that governments are going to come in that don't care about
00:33:10.460 the price of things and they'll just get mad, mad cash from governments.
00:33:15.200 And I think travel is no different there.
00:33:17.260 These people are not price shopping and why would they?
00:33:20.060 And so there was the climate hypocrisy angle and there's also just the government waste angle
00:33:24.000 of this.
00:33:25.180 Um, this is a one that is related.
00:33:27.320 We don't trust government.
00:33:28.100 We also don't trust media, but you have government and media getting into bed together.
00:33:32.320 And what's the answer?
00:33:33.640 What comes out of that, Isaac?
00:33:35.640 Yeah.
00:33:36.200 So this comes from a new poll, which was conducted by public square research, and they were trying
00:33:41.660 to gauge the public's trust in different types of Canadian news media.
00:33:46.400 And then also the views on, um, media that received government subsidies.
00:33:52.060 So how, how do Canadians feel about government funded media versus obviously media like true
00:33:57.120 north that receives no government funding.
00:33:59.060 And interestingly, yes, 70% of Canadians were not supportive of government subsidies for
00:34:04.740 the salaries of private news organizations.
00:34:07.440 So private news organization would be like the global mail, Toronto star, Toronto sun, national
00:34:11.520 post, those kinds of things.
00:34:12.400 Well, yeah, only 4% of Canadians said they were very supportive of this while it was 26%
00:34:18.000 that were somewhat supportive leaving.
00:34:20.200 Yes.
00:34:20.440 Seven in 10 Canadians, either not very supportive or not supportive at all.
00:34:24.740 Well, it's just insane that no one sees this because, you know, we trust journalists to hold
00:34:30.280 government to account.
00:34:31.380 So if government is the lifeline for journalists and government is the lifeline for journalism,
00:34:36.280 how are you at all going to expect it to be doing what you needed to do?
00:34:40.420 So, yeah, I mean, the trust issues in media are outweighing just this aspect of it, but
00:34:46.940 it certainly is going to, is only going to exacerbate the problem.
00:34:49.700 And William, I mean, it's just fundamental.
00:34:51.900 And some journalists have criticized it because they see this, but many have just demanded more
00:34:56.120 and more money from the government.
00:34:58.160 Yeah.
00:34:58.440 I mean, every journalist swears up and down that the fact that some or even most of their
00:35:03.900 salary that is being paid for by the government has no impact on how they choose to, uh, to
00:35:10.380 report on things.
00:35:11.320 But the fact is, is that taken as a whole, if you look at the legacy media, they often
00:35:17.820 obsess about the, the pet issues of this current government.
00:35:22.520 You know, how many stories in a typical edition of the Globe and Mail talk about climate change
00:35:27.840 or talk about, you know, some example of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, uh, someone who's dealing
00:35:34.060 with a gender issue and, and isn't it terrible that they couldn't transition at three and a
00:35:39.560 half years old?
00:35:40.460 And, you know, that's just the worst.
00:35:42.480 And if you, and these are not issues that Canadians want to endlessly read about.
00:35:47.280 What are Canadians concerned about?
00:35:48.840 They're concerned about housing costs.
00:35:50.200 They're concerned about grocery prices.
00:35:52.140 They're concerned about, you know, the fact that, uh, they can't pay their bills every
00:35:56.700 month.
00:35:57.100 Those are things that are really of concern.
00:35:59.660 And yet legacy media doesn't pay them nearly as much attention as they should.
00:36:02.780 I would say one of the reasons why True North has been so successful is we've actually looked
00:36:08.200 at what ordinary Canadians from one end of the country to the other are concerned about.
00:36:13.100 And we tried to make that the central focus of our news and reporting.
00:36:17.200 And as a result, I think Canadians in increasing numbers are tuning into us as they tune out
00:36:24.920 from the legacy media.
00:36:26.560 So if that trend continues, I think you are going to see the legacy media either becoming,
00:36:32.140 you know, solely dependent on government funding to stay in power, or we will simply see the
00:36:37.680 end of Canada's legacy media as a whole.
00:36:40.720 So yeah, yeah.
00:36:42.560 Oh, go ahead, Isaac.
00:36:43.640 Yeah.
00:36:43.820 Just something interesting.
00:36:44.800 The, the, the study brought up, which was that it said that most Canadians were completely
00:36:49.220 unaware on how much funding these legacy media journalists were receiving.
00:36:54.080 They estimated that there was up to 50% subsidy on those journalists salaries of up to 85,000
00:36:59.440 a year.
00:37:00.120 And then just speaking quickly on, on trust and legacy media, they, they cited a 2023 study
00:37:05.380 in this research that showed that the decline in legacy media was 50 or sorry, the trust
00:37:10.480 of legacy media was 55% in 2016, declining to 40% in 2023, which Trudeau was speaking on
00:37:17.800 an Alberta talk show in February, where he said that quote, conspiracy theorists and social
00:37:23.420 media drivers were the ones undermining mainstream media to prevent people from essentially believing
00:37:29.900 a common truth, which is why the legacy media was failing.
00:37:32.440 However, the recent polling showed that only 12%, 12% of Canadians felt that they were getting
00:37:40.160 the truth from mainstream news.
00:37:41.500 I mean, what a low number.
00:37:42.980 And then, uh, another 20% said that they believed news coverage in Canada was fair and transparent.
00:37:50.340 Yeah.
00:37:50.920 And you know, the one thing that I've talked about this on my own show, anytime the institutions
00:37:55.160 talk about trust and the trust deficit, they always point the blame at everyone else.
00:37:59.820 It's when we don't trust the media.
00:38:00.960 Oh, it's because of disinformation and we don't trust the government.
00:38:03.540 Oh, it's because of the far right.
00:38:04.800 It's like, no, it's because you are morons a lot of the time.
00:38:09.240 Absolutely.
00:38:09.940 Or you covered something with such a biased slant or ignored such an incredible part of
00:38:16.160 it that, you know, reasonable people watching it simply say that is a lousy, lousy job you've
00:38:23.640 done.
00:38:23.880 Um, and if you're lying to us about this, what else are you, are you lying to us?
00:38:29.940 Yeah.
00:38:30.340 And I've always been, I guess, prideful in the work that True North puts out because
00:38:34.980 obviously I'm very skeptical when I, when I read anything legacy media, okay, what in
00:38:40.040 here is actually true because I often find faults in their work, whether that's intentional
00:38:43.820 or not.
00:38:44.340 But even in, in other independent medias, when I'm reading their stories, I often find
00:38:48.040 errors.
00:38:49.420 So I like to think that, that we, we produce, uh, uh, uh, stories that generally contain
00:38:56.540 very little, uh, errors, uh, in comparison to, to, to the rest of the industry.
00:39:01.020 So yeah, I just wanted to say that.
00:39:03.120 Well, no, you're right.
00:39:04.440 And one point, and I mean, I'm the managing editor of True North, so I I've insisted on
00:39:08.680 this, but I think a lot of our team does it anyway, is primary sources.
00:39:12.780 Like don't just report on someone else's report on a report, find the report itself, find the
00:39:17.560 documents yourself.
00:39:18.540 And I know Isaac, you've had me tell it.
00:39:20.140 I mean, I actually, Isaac is really good at that because Isaac loves reading the report
00:39:23.100 and then you'll end up with like, oh, sorry, I am late because I have to write, you
00:39:26.580 know, read this 179 pages to do.
00:39:29.120 And I was like, well, I technically asked you to, so I can't really complain, but, uh,
00:39:32.200 but it's so key because oftentimes, especially with academic studies, like I used to do this
00:39:35.600 all the time on my old radio show, you'd get like a news story about an academic study that
00:39:39.280 would have this fantastic headline.
00:39:40.640 You're like, wow, that's great.
00:39:41.620 And then you're just like looking at the study and you're like, but it doesn't, doesn't
00:39:45.640 say that at all.
00:39:46.980 And it's, so you've got like a journalist that either is putting sensationalism first or
00:39:51.220 a journalist that doesn't understand what they're writing about, but give your primary
00:39:54.840 source.
00:39:55.200 And the one thing also that we're good at in True North is linking to the primary source.
00:39:58.560 Like we don't want to be information gatekeepers.
00:40:01.160 We want you to have access to the same thing we did.
00:40:03.880 A lot of media will reference something, but not actually direct you to the original.
00:40:09.200 They'll say, oh, in these documents we've obtained, but they don't show the documents.
00:40:12.520 Whereas we embed them because yeah, we want you to check our work that keeps us accountable.
00:40:16.580 So my favorite example on this is there's a claim that is recited ad nauseum by legacy
00:40:23.240 media.
00:40:23.560 And it's that there are 300 far right hate groups or white nationalist groups active in
00:40:29.700 Canada.
00:40:30.280 And they just state that as a fact.
00:40:32.380 Now, when we've dug into that, we know that it comes from a single professor at one university
00:40:38.140 who's done a quote-unquote.
00:40:39.880 Not even a particularly top-tier university.
00:40:42.420 It's like the Ontario Tech University.
00:40:44.260 And it's not a slight against them, but it's not Harvard or something.
00:40:47.780 I would, well, I'm not convinced that Harvard is wrong.
00:40:50.320 Fair enough.
00:40:51.500 It once was.
00:40:52.500 But it comes from this one person.
00:40:54.000 And this person, despite multiple requests, has never released their work.
00:40:57.420 They have never released the list.
00:40:59.140 They have never released the methodology on how this list was put together.
00:41:02.040 When we pushed on it, the university turned down our ATIPs, turned down our requests.
00:41:07.620 And yet, if you read any news story that the legacy media publishes about quote-unquote
00:41:13.460 hate groups, you will see that 300 hate group number quoted as if it is a stone-cold fact.
00:41:20.120 And the truth is, it's not.
00:41:21.820 As near as we can tell, it's something that one professor may or may not have just made
00:41:25.840 up one day because she absolutely refuses to publish anything about it that supports it.
00:41:31.160 Far from even putting out a list of them.
00:41:33.620 Oh, yeah.
00:41:33.900 For all we know, it's, you know, she was going by Facebook groups or something.
00:41:37.700 You know, there's a Facebook group that posted something she didn't like.
00:41:39.780 So, oh, let's put it up on the list of 300 anyway.
00:41:42.600 So, Barbara Perry, it's not too late to show your work.
00:41:45.360 We'll take it.
00:41:46.020 We'll take it.
00:41:46.560 We'll publish it in full.
00:41:47.720 You should be happy as a researcher drawing more attention to your work, unless that is
00:41:52.240 you don't stand behind it.
00:41:53.300 But anyway, that does it for us for today.
00:41:56.240 My thanks to Isaac Lamoureux and William Macbeth for coming on the show.
00:41:59.480 As always, and all of you for tuning in, we'll talk to you next week.
00:42:02.340 But have a great weekend, everyone.
00:42:11.420 And Cosman's been fighting over that Barbara Perry list for like two years now or something,
00:42:15.980 isn't it?
00:42:16.700 Yeah.
00:42:17.060 I think it's a personal sort of campaign for him now.
00:42:20.440 It should be.
00:42:21.040 Yeah.
00:42:21.180 It's like before the Ontario Privacy Commissioner now.
00:42:23.760 So, yeah.
00:42:24.580 When Cosman A-tipped it, the university came back and basically said, oh, it's research
00:42:29.620 in progress.
00:42:30.860 Therefore, we can't release it.
00:42:32.740 Except it's been research in progress for years and years.
00:42:36.700 And she's still releasing the claim, which suggests that that part's not in progress.
00:42:40.160 Absolutely.
00:42:40.880 She's still making this claim without a shred of evidence.
00:42:45.100 And as a result, you know, I think if you read any of those legacy media stories, they
00:42:50.300 provide none of that context.
00:42:51.440 None of them are saying, oh, and by the way, this is just this one person's thing from a
00:42:56.280 report she won't produce from a list she didn't cite, how she compiled.
00:43:00.000 Oh, and we can't see the list.
00:43:01.520 Like, you know, it's just infuriating for those of us who actually like to click on those
00:43:06.420 links and resource documents to try and figure out what the real story is.