Off the Record - Are they actually eating cats and dogs？

00:00:00.000 we won't have any confusion as to who's hosting the show today right because uh clearly i'm the

00:00:05.320 only one that decided to take this program seriously and put on a jacket usually that

00:00:10.680 usually i can trust isaac to do that but uh with noah it's usually we know what we're gonna get

00:00:15.460 with noah yeah you know just a t-shirt and a chain baby casual dress i know but uh no suit

00:00:24.540 no mustache you know what happened yeah i don't know i'll be honest i got these uh this new lighting

00:00:30.700 setup uh for my setup here and then i was looking at the mustache in my in my recording software and

00:00:35.760 i was like oh my god that's how it looks because the lighting really brings out your qualities right

00:00:39.960 and i was like it looks terrible it needs to go so i tried to trim it and i was like this isn't

00:00:44.200 working it's just gotta go so uh yeah i shaved it and then still really not sure how i feel about

00:00:49.760 that as for the me not wearing a suit yeah i don't know i feel like i need to going forward

00:00:55.860 just wear t-shirts you know it helps you feel more comfortable and whatnot so yeah no isaac you look 0.81

00:01:02.340 youthful you know i imagine when you walk around the streets of calgary you're gonna get some uh some

00:01:06.860 some uh attract uh adoring looks or whatever you're gonna all right all right noah save it

00:01:12.560 get a bedroom you two get a room oh relax i didn't say for me but all right well with that let's get

00:01:19.000 this thing started all right let's get this thing started so the big news this week well actually

00:01:30.960 before i get into that you have to give me you have to cut me some slack i don't always host this

00:01:34.960 program and i was about to just start the program without introducing my guests here we've got noah

00:01:40.400 jarvis a journalist toronto-based writer with us at true north and we've got isaac lamereau who's also

00:01:47.480 a writer i believe we're calling him the alberta correspondent at true north but also he is

00:01:52.640 starting alberta roundup on his own this saturday isaac so well congratulations with that we wish

00:01:59.900 you all the best and like you were saying in the intro i felt as though the mustache could have been

00:02:04.200 a signature part of the show but uh i guess we'll just have to wait for that to come back naturally

00:02:09.660 now let's really get into the program of the show today so we've got the the biggest news i think

00:02:15.460 around the world really is the u.s presidential debate between donald trump and kamala harris

00:02:21.280 and i think besides any of the policy besides any of the actual content of the debate the big thing

00:02:27.480 that stuck out was the well it wasn't even a back and forth really it was donald trump saying that the

00:02:32.760 that the poor cats and dogs of springfield ohio a town not many people thought that we might be

00:02:38.920 talking about on this show the cats and dogs are being eaten by haitian migrants that is what he 1.00

00:02:44.540 said on the debate believe it or not if you haven't been following the news this may come as quite a

00:02:48.780 shock to you but we'll roll the tape so you get up to speed on what we're about to talk about

00:02:52.820 in springfield they're eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats they're eating

00:03:01.160 they're eating the pets of the people that live there and this is what's happening in our country

00:03:08.500 and it's a shame so there you go in springfield they're eating the dogs and the cats where does

00:03:14.620 all this come from well let's just break down the news about this story uh a couple of days ago

00:03:20.860 a social media phenomenon blew up when people on social media were saying that

00:03:26.500 a small rural town in ohio springfield had an influx of haitian migrants and the haitian migrants

00:03:33.220 were abducting and eating the cats this came after a video surfaced of a woman who was being arrested

00:03:40.660 for allegedly eating a cat now this video it turned out to be this video was of an american woman not

00:03:47.700 a haitian migrant and then there was a picture of somebody standing or holding a dead goose in

00:03:54.500 their hands and walking with it turns out that that was an old photo however it's not all just

00:04:01.080 fake news necessarily we can't confirm this story of course but the the town of springfield ohio this

00:04:08.060 is a background here has since 2020 received close to 20 000 migrants in a town of only 60 000 so close

00:04:16.000 to 30 percent of the rural towns population has entered the entered the town since 2020 the

00:04:22.120 residents of this town have been claiming that the haitian migrants are driving recklessly causing a lot

00:04:29.200 of social problems there are rumors and allegations that pets have gone missing all right it's not just

00:04:35.320 it's not just out of nowhere to the point in which the governor of ohio mike dewine has sent several

00:04:41.800 million dollars what is the exact number uh it is two and a half million dollars for the city to help

00:04:47.340 deal with the influx of haitian migrants and lastly before i turn it over to you gents to talk about 0.83

00:04:53.580 this the ohio attorney general yesterday said that he is going to be launching an investigation

00:04:59.200 into the haitian migrant disaster in springfield amid the wild claims of these migrants abducting and

00:05:06.240 eating pets so there is some there's a little bit of smoke to this fire it appears maybe not enough

00:05:12.480 to talk about it on a presidential debate stage but what do you guys make of all that what do you make

00:05:17.220 of this noah well you know i think that you know it's not well not i think it's not confirmed that you

00:05:25.240 know these haitian migrants uh they are you know eating cats and dogs whatever and i'm very sympathetic 1.00

00:05:29.980 to the people of springfield who see that you know the population uh of their city has bloomed uh you

00:05:36.340 know without you know their consent in any way shape or form and it's not like they're bringing in a

00:05:41.160 bunch of you know american citizens they're bringing in a bunch of haitian uh migrants who you know are

00:05:46.660 you know they're fleeing a bad situation in their home country so i'm a bit sympathetic to their

00:05:51.420 plight there but at the same time springfield obviously does not have the capacity to absorb that

00:05:57.040 many uh people nor do the residents of springfield desire uh you know expanding their population uh so

00:06:03.140 significantly but you know when we you know are talking about you know illegal immigration

00:06:09.200 and the massive upsurge of uh people you know we have to make sure that we are our arguments are

00:06:16.300 coherent and they're based on truth it's not exactly confirmed whether or not you know these people

00:06:21.180 were uh eating cats or dogs there's one video that was going uh viral uh on social media

00:06:26.960 that depicted uh a woman a black woman uh basically who killed a cat and was you know allegedly eating

00:06:33.560 the cat and the you know the cops you know asked her to show her teeth and you know uh basically saw 0.87

00:06:38.860 that she was eating the cat but this was an american citizen this is a black woman who you know has been 0.97

00:06:44.100 an american her entire life her uh either her ties to america you know probably go back 200 to 400 years

00:06:51.060 uh you know far longer than you know a lot of uh americans so i think that you have to you know

00:06:56.960 really ensure that you know you are articulating stuff that is true when you want to advance uh the

00:07:02.540 anti-mass migration argument because you know if you don't your critics are just going to pounce on

00:07:08.440 that and you're not going to actually do a good job in advancing uh your cause forward in the public

00:07:14.400 discourse and you know we're just talking about a presidential debate i mean it was a bit weird that you

00:07:19.540 know trump brought that up and didn't bring up the case of say like laken riley who was uh murdered by

00:07:25.180 an illegal immigrant that was released into the interior of the united states and it is a very 0.99

00:07:29.940 sympathetic story so sympathetic that the congress uh you know that is bitterly divided amongst democrats

00:07:35.920 and republicans were able to pass legislation uh to basically stop um you know or to require the

00:07:43.000 federal government to detain uh migrants who commit burglary or theft so i i think that you know we have

00:07:49.140 to be very careful when we're talking about uh you know the facts of a certain story and not you know

00:07:54.720 misinterpreting them i think you know we have to take the concerns of springfield residents uh seriously

00:07:59.920 but also you know we can't you know spread things that you know even if it isn't confirmed to be true

00:08:05.580 uh you know it's a maybe situation we still have to articulate that you know this might not be true

00:08:11.380 but nonetheless there are other valid concerns that residents of springfield do have

00:08:16.660 isaac what do you make of this story yeah and you kind of alluded to this uh a bit harrison when

00:08:23.860 you talked about smoke and fire it made me think while the fact checkers are saying that this was an

00:08:29.660 american citizen not a haitian immigrant usually when there is this much smoke there is fire so that's 1.00

00:08:35.540 not to say that there haven't been problems with cats and dogs in springfield but something i also

00:08:41.200 wanted to mention was i i found uh kamala's reaction to trump mentioning this in the debate quite

00:08:49.220 funny she just seemed so surprised and i don't think that's because she hadn't heard the news or

00:08:53.300 hadn't seen the videos but probably that she was surprised that he was bringing this up in the

00:08:59.080 presidential debate because i'm sure she had prepared for other things maybe not this talking point so

00:09:04.860 that's pretty funny and then just quickly speaking uh on the immigration i mean 30 percent of your

00:09:10.040 population is uh beyond an uncontrollable level of immigration we've seen the problems that have 1.00

00:09:18.360 arose in canada of course this is a whole country not just a town but in canada where we're accepting

00:09:22.800 about five to ten percent max of our population so i can't imagine how any town which already has

00:09:29.040 limited social services could absorb a 30 percent population increase of course there's going to be

00:09:35.360 numerous problems right and one thing that i don't think gets a lot of conversation or a lot of play

00:09:41.080 with this is that it's almost unreasonable to expect a group of of migrants that make up so many 1.00

00:09:48.460 some such a large proportion of your population to assimilate if they all come in at the same time so

00:09:53.000 quickly it's not even human nature so the concept the idea of bringing people in at that rate

00:09:58.580 doesn't make any sense because of course they're just not going to be able to assimilate now i want

00:10:03.720 to show you and i want to show the audience some of some of just how this story has been evolving

00:10:08.320 so again we have an ap fact check on this story that's just like what the debate moderators were

00:10:14.860 doing all night during the debate against donald trump fact checking him while ap came in and produced

00:10:20.220 this fact check on the uh on the cats and dogs ohio story so you can see that there it's reuters excuse me

00:10:27.720 not not ap um but there have been memes that have been created over this and i want to show you two

00:10:34.420 of them uh here well actually there's a few of them so the gadston flag remake with a cat don't eat me

00:10:40.360 that's a pretty good one here what else do we have these are quite good remember when illegal aliens who 1.00

00:10:45.740 ate cats was fiction good times this is just unbelievable and here we got the uh we got a cute

00:10:51.500 little pug with the same sort of idea uh you know it's unbelievable because this situation is not

00:10:58.620 just affecting springfield ohio also think about or i think it's called aurora colorado the town of

00:11:04.840 aurora colorado is having to deal with entire apartment blocks being taken over by venezuelan gangs

00:11:11.500 and that story as far as i can tell has not been fact checked by reuters or ap which just goes to show

00:11:17.220 you that this this situation in the united states is out of control we already knew that it was but

00:11:22.920 really it is it is really getting out of control now we have the news happening in canada where the

00:11:29.600 federal government seems to be trying to do their own little springfield ohio operation in canada we

00:11:35.820 now know that the federal government is planning to relocate tens of thousands of migrants across the

00:11:42.420 country to relieve pressure on quebec and ontario i want to just give you the numbers here and then

00:11:47.540 i'm going to hand it over but for example new brunswick a town which has only actually had oh i

00:11:53.200 believe fewer than 400 asylum seekers in the province the federal government is now planning to force new

00:12:00.580 brunswick to accept 4 600 asylum seekers nova scotia to receive 4 900 asylum seekers i mean this is

00:12:09.520 unbelievable i'm worried actually guys that some rural new brunswick town may in fact become the

00:12:15.040 next springfield ohio isaac what do you think yeah well based on what you just said i mean what are

00:12:21.180 they 11 and a half times in the amount of asylum seekers that new brunswick's ever taken in in one

00:12:26.620 moment this is ridiculous so i was uh looking at whether any provinces had opposed this of course this

00:12:32.480 news just recently came out but already alberta premier daniel smith uh released a statement saying

00:12:39.200 we're we are not taking these asylum seekers essentially she said we already only represent

00:12:44.260 about 11 percent of canada's population but taken 22 percent of ukrainian evacuees we can't take more

00:12:50.660 our social services are at their max our our schools are at their max there's no room for these people

00:12:56.480 so she said quote we are informing the government of canada that until further notice alberta is not

00:13:02.400 open to having these additional asylum seekers settled in our province and then a similar message out of

00:13:08.640 bc this from john rustad he said quote justin trudeau and his liberal government are dumping

00:13:14.080 thousands of asylum seekers on bc without a plan or funding all while our province grapples with an 0.72

00:13:20.540 unprecedented housing crisis we are a welcoming province but trudeau's failure to provide the

00:13:26.020 necessary resources is a betrayal of both the newcomers and the communities already struggling

00:13:31.180 to make ends meet i like what rustad says there because uh as many of you will remember some of the

00:13:37.160 reporting we've done is that these immigrants or asylum seekers are coming to canada expecting a

00:13:42.240 better life and then getting here and realizing really this is this is the life we're going into

00:13:46.100 we're in a cost of living crisis a homelessness crisis the list goes on a drug crisis so we really

00:13:52.380 want to have a welcoming and a place where these asylum seekers or immigrants can come to and actually

00:13:58.660 build a what's the word prosperous life not where they're just going from one bad to another yeah

00:14:08.640 what do you what do you think uh noah yeah i mean i am a little sympathetic to the idea that we do need

00:14:15.840 to like if we are going to take in asylum seekers which we probably should uh we should probably balance

00:14:21.540 it out so that ontario and quebec are not you know taking in the lion's share or just like all of the

00:14:26.740 asylum seekers i mean i remember uh last uh last year or two years ago uh when we had a lot of

00:14:31.840 haitian migrants uh in in downtown toronto who were basically just sleeping on the streets uh and

00:14:37.480 you know this was like a problem that was more or less you know reserved for toronto so i'm sympathetic

00:14:42.580 to the idea that we need to you know spread out uh the the people that come into this country if we 0.90

00:14:47.140 are going to accept in uh this many asylum seekers but there's there's a couple problems firstly uh not

00:14:52.780 every province has the same capacity to accept uh asylum seekers ontario and quebec you know quite

00:14:57.840 frankly are the provinces that are most equipped uh to accept asylum seekers because they have the 1.00

00:15:03.340 largest gdp out of the other other provinces a province like new brunswick is definitely going

00:15:08.080 not going to be able to provide the social services uh that is necessary and that brings me to the

00:15:13.640 second point where the federal government it wants to bring in all these asylum seekers but they don't

00:15:17.460 want to acknowledge the fact that it costs like a lot of money to support people asylum seekers

00:15:23.380 especially those who are not you know coming into a community uh that can you know readily support

00:15:28.940 them a lot of ukrainian refugees they had uh families in canada that could help them that they

00:15:34.440 could support them get them on their feet help them get their first job help them get rent uh and

00:15:38.960 you know they were able to integrate into the into the community that way a lot of the time when

00:15:43.220 you're just arbitrarily you know but you know throwing people across the country you know you're

00:15:48.540 not really uh throwing them into communities that have the uh you know the private means and the

00:15:53.900 public means in order to accept them so you create these divisions in the community that's part one of

00:15:59.500 the reasons what's uh happening in springfield is that you know there's not i'm pretty sure there

00:16:03.620 wasn't a great uh you know a lot of uh haitians in um springfield before all those migrants came in 1.00

00:16:09.600 and you know it's the same thing uh around the country if you don't have those communities that

00:16:13.220 is able to support uh these migrants you know they're going to be entirely reliant on the 0.95

00:16:17.060 government and the federal government doesn't have the money or isn't providing the money to the

00:16:21.680 promises for them to be able to support these my asylum seekers nor do does the federal government 0.99

00:16:27.500 even have the money to give that out in the first place i mean we're in like such like you know

00:16:32.180 deep deficits uh as a as you know as the federal government so i don't know why they think that they

00:16:38.520 are you know financially equipped in order to you know handle you know hundreds of thousands of

00:16:43.140 asylum seekers on an annual basis it's you know just an absurd you know politics disconnected from 1.00

00:16:48.600 reality but you know that's to be expected from the federal government at this point yeah and you

00:16:52.820 know what my issue is with this entire program is that when we had when we saw scenes of those

00:16:59.500 african asylum seekers sleeping out on the streets in toronto last year yes they were out on the

00:17:05.220 streets around the homeless shelters one a because toronto's homeless shelters were entirely full

00:17:11.000 and in many cases the majority of the people inside of the homeless shelters are themselves

00:17:14.860 already asylum seekers the second thing is that after about two weeks of this problem growing and 0.99

00:17:20.800 growing because canada just continues to accept every asylum claim that comes to our country

00:17:25.380 the federal government and the provincial government and the city all of a sudden were able to cough up

00:17:30.380 hundreds of millions of dollars for these people and of course they found places to put them they found

00:17:36.160 new where new ways to house these asylum seekers all the while canadians across the country are 0.71

00:17:42.580 struggling on the streets are homeless are being left behind and subjected to addictions you know my

00:17:49.640 understanding and my look at this situation is i live in downtown toronto toronto's full toronto cannot

00:17:56.760 have taken any more asylum seekers and nor can quebec i sympathize with the plight of quebecers 0.99

00:18:01.740 who feel like their province is being subjected to uncontrollable levels of mass immigration and

00:18:06.040 they're starting to lose their culture i genuinely do sympathize with that but that doesn't mean that

00:18:10.600 the solution is just to start sending them thousands of them to new brunswick and nova scotia i think in

00:18:16.200 reality at some point we need to have a conversation that we maybe just shouldn't be accepting so many

00:18:21.880 asylum seekers in the first place some of these asylum claims are not really serious we've seen

00:18:27.520 a spike of asylum claims from india a country that i don't believe is a country that people should be 1.00

00:18:32.020 fleeing and claiming asylum from same goes for a bunch of other countries but uh why don't one you

00:18:37.000 guys pick up on on where i left off there before we move on to the next story no why don't you pick

00:18:41.440 up on on that because you mentioned that you believe that we should be taking in more asylum

00:18:45.060 seekers and um i think maybe not more but just generally that we should and i think at this point

00:18:50.960 we should stop taking in as many as we are um you know i think it depends on the case right like

00:18:57.940 you know if you have asylum seekers coming in from india generally that's not you know like a war

00:19:01.980 torn country nor is it like you know in destitute poverty you know there's still it's quite a poor

00:19:08.100 nation relatively speaking uh especially compared to canada but that doesn't necessarily mean we

00:19:12.400 should bring in asylum seekers from india nor should we be in asylum seekers from the united states that's

00:19:17.320 the most prosperous country uh in the world but you know for someone who is say uh you know fleeing uh

00:19:23.780 fleeing war or fleeing you know uh political persecution you know i think you know there is

00:19:28.840 some sort of moral obligation you know to bring those people in to you know offer that refuge i think

00:19:34.120 you know you know not to you know bring religion into us but i think that's you know that's the

00:19:37.940 christian thing to do you know to help those who are you know you know absolutely destitute and you know

00:19:42.480 just you know the downtrodden and people who could you know who want to flee you know their country to

00:19:47.960 become canadians but that doesn't mean we are capable of you know helping out all of the asylum

00:19:53.300 seekers of the world we we just aren't you know canada is a small country you know the united states

00:19:57.600 is a far more uh equipped to deal with this problem because they have you know a lot more people and

00:20:03.080 you know therefore they have you know a lot more money to work with yet you know they are bringing in

00:20:08.480 per capita less you know asylum seekers and they're still dealing uh with a problem and you know that

00:20:12.900 doesn't count the immigration uh crisis on their southern border but my point is that you know we

00:20:18.360 should bring in the people who need asylum you know or who are in desperate need uh and you know that

00:20:24.180 doesn't necessarily have to compromise you know the well-being uh of canadians but the problem is we're

00:20:29.500 bringing in way too many asylum seekers on you know poor claims uh you know that they need asylum uh and 1.00

00:20:35.660 thus you know we should be cutting back on those people and you know i think i think the asylum 1.00

00:20:40.360 system was broken before in the sense that uh ontario and quebec were dealing with you know the

00:20:47.100 the the problem almost in its entirety not in its entirety absolutely but uh they were dealing with

00:20:52.820 the majority of the problem so the federal government failed in and spreading out the you know the sort of

00:20:58.000 um the people that were coming into this country beforehand and now that they're doing it uh in a time in

00:21:03.440 which is the amount of people that we're bringing in is so high it's just irresponsible so you know

00:21:08.780 that that's generally my take you know we should bring in some but not nearly as much as we're

00:21:13.000 bringing in now you know i wish there was a better segue i i i didn't i didn't prepare one for this but

00:21:18.240 we're going to move on to a completely different story isaac why don't you take it away so this is

00:21:23.100 actually pretty interesting news come hockey news in fact coming in summer or i suppose the end of

00:21:29.980 summer that the edmonton oilers have recently announced this on monday on x they announced

00:21:35.780 that they have a new jersey partner and you can imagine how uh reactions to that from fans and

00:21:41.660 other canadians went when they realized that this jersey partner meant advertisements for gambling on

00:21:48.460 their jerseys and helmets um yeah so the initial post from the oilers was a video and it didn't get

00:21:55.820 ratioed too hard uh to use your popular term there harrison but the the the following post that came

00:22:01.820 about 20 minutes later which was uh accompanied by a press release from the team and explicitly said

00:22:07.540 we're going to have ads for gambling on our jersey and on our helmet got ratioed uh completely i think

00:22:13.000 like two to one and i i scrolled through every single comment reading them trying to find a positive one

00:22:18.580 and i'll tell you that was a challenge uh most of what i found was just complete outrage and and

00:22:25.060 swears that i won't repeat on here but some people saying like trash disgusting this is terrible i mean

00:22:30.360 why are we promoting gambling the list goes on uh this reaction may have been amplified because

00:22:36.820 interestingly the oilers are one of the hockey teams to resist putting ads on their jerseys back in

00:22:42.680 the 2022-23 season which people rightfully gave them a lot of praise for so i don't know what changed

00:22:48.960 between then and now uh that they're putting not just ads on their jersey but gambling ads

00:22:54.920 uh so on their jerseys the playalberta.ca logo which uh last year it generated 235 million dollars

00:23:03.400 in net sales uh this was a 42 million dollar increase from the the previous year and and then they

00:23:09.140 contributed 1.5 billion dollars in total gaming revenue to alberta's general revenue fund so this

00:23:15.280 is a serious source of revenue and uh i did find an interesting study harrison which you i think

00:23:21.100 previously cited on on an episode of ratioed which was the ipsos poll from uh early january which was far

00:23:27.320 before the gambling ads and gambling in general has taken over not just hockey but all sports to be

00:23:33.420 honest i mean you can't watch a game without seeing 20 gambling ads but it even showed at

00:23:39.120 this late in january 2023 that almost half of canadians felt that gambling uh advertising was

00:23:45.680 excessive and and needed to be reduced now you can't even drive the street down the street walk

00:23:49.840 down the street without seeing a gambling ad in some form and uh on top of this just the last thing

00:23:55.940 i'll close with was that and this was disappointing to me you you guys can let me know how you feel but

00:24:01.180 uh yeah conor mcdavid uh obviously the oilers best player and i'd say the best player in the world right

00:24:05.820 now and great wayne gretzky who most would agree was the best hockey player of all time they had a

00:24:12.080 gambling ad together uh which i've seen out almost every world game i've watched uh last season so

00:24:17.900 yeah how do you guys feel about that no one you take this one yeah basically uh my take on gambling

00:24:24.740 ads is uh that generally i'm a libertarian you know i think the market should do what it wants and

00:24:30.000 you know you know that that's how we should govern our economy with that said you know there are there

00:24:34.300 is a place for regulation and you know i'm not like uh like a like a complete libertarian in the

00:24:40.280 sense that you know the market just do what it's want and i do think there's a place for the

00:24:44.120 regulation of uh gambling ads and you know when you have um sports entities that are you know

00:24:50.700 immensely popular not just with adults but with children that are you know in its commercials you

00:24:55.640 know promoting gambling to the youth i mean you know that is exploitive you know there's a reason why

00:25:01.080 you know on say like teletune or you know like cartoon network or whatever we limit what sort of

00:25:06.120 ads you know those types of channels are allowed to play because you know that is programming uh for

00:25:11.060 children and you know similarly for sports you know that i've been watching sports since i was four

00:25:14.800 years old you know if i had been exposed to you know incessant gambling propaganda you know not just

00:25:21.300 in the commercials but you know uh you know on the in the advertisements in the stadium and then you

00:25:26.900 know they put the advertisement on the ice or on the court you know for me basketball or you know

00:25:31.280 and they're going to start putting the gambling ads on the jerseys i mean when you buy a jersey

00:25:34.880 you know you might even have the you know the gambling sponsor on the jersey you know i think that

00:25:39.980 that you know that has an immense psychological effect uh on people especially uh younger people

00:25:45.500 who are you know grow up you know they're 12 13s like oh i can't wait to gamble you know like you

00:25:49.900 shouldn't be anticipating uh to gamble and you shouldn't be promoting this uh to children you know this

00:25:55.080 should be cornered off you know it's it's sort of like alcohol or you know going to a casino it's

00:26:00.400 it's cornered off you go somewhere to gamble or you know you go on your app where you have you know

00:26:04.740 your age limits or whatever but to be promoting it uh on sports events just so uh brazenly you know

00:26:11.100 you have you know major stars you know before the podcast you're talking about how um conor mcdavid

00:26:16.220 i think and wayne gregsky they did a gambling ad together i mean like you know it's a bit foreign to me

00:26:21.880 in basketball it's like if lebron james and like you know michael jordan did an ad together

00:26:26.000 promoting gambling that'd be like you know it'd be very memeable it'd be like kind of impressive

00:26:31.280 but also it'd be kind of like wow this is what makes them come together not you know love of the

00:26:35.920 sport love of the game you know or like you know a like a bit of a nicer sponsor like gatorade i don't

00:26:41.560 know like it's gambling it seems a bit icky so no i've got bad news for you because uh lebron james

00:26:47.000 is a partner at draft kings a sports book and has been doing gambling ads like all of these guys are

00:26:52.940 doing gambling ads and i find that this is really where the libertarian argument falls apart in my

00:26:59.040 opinion because we are we have basically allowed this industry to dominate sports to take over not

00:27:07.300 just sports but also every other aspect of people's lives and on a mental health aspect this is a

00:27:13.160 disaster in my opinion promoting gambling enticing addiction for the state to make money for the

00:27:19.860 province to make money and that's really what this is right you know doug ford came to power on a

00:27:25.100 promise to legalize sports gambling in ontario i think many other provincial governments have done

00:27:30.300 the same and the federal government is getting in on the mix and there's nothing conservative about

00:27:34.200 this in my opinion there really isn't and you basically allowed hockey and the and and the kind of

00:27:41.600 culture around hockey that was so deeply ingrained into canadian culture to be corrupted by this it

00:27:48.480 dominated hockey night in canada an institution in our country they've taken one of our national

00:27:53.180 heroes forget hockey but just in general one of our national icons wayne gretzky and made him a

00:27:59.100 shill for an american gambling company they've taken great television shows and television series like

00:28:04.400 trailer park boys for example they turn those guys into gambling advertisements as well

00:28:08.520 so we're kind of going to i think we are going to end up in this place where you know ontario and

00:28:14.500 the rest of the country is going to end up like those like those towns in the uk where on the uk high

00:28:20.720 streets you have a vape shop followed by a a bookie and then you know there's maybe a booze shop and

00:28:26.320 it's just those three shops one after the other after the other we won't have the shops because it'll all

00:28:30.940 be online but that's kind of the attitude we're promoting here and so to see the oilers crumble on this to

00:28:37.680 to crumble to the idea of even placing an advertisement on your jersey which i find

00:28:41.600 to be awful in the first place but to make it a gambling ad um is hardly surprising unfortunately

00:28:47.380 but it is it is deeply disappointing isaac i'll give you the final word on this since you brought

00:28:51.740 it up and you're you're an oilers fan yeah i just wanted to clarify some things that the oilers said

00:28:58.820 which of course as i think i mentioned already this would only be on their home jerseys and home helmets

00:29:03.080 but also that as far as i understand if you just go to sport check say and buy a jersey this ad will

00:29:09.040 not be on it as far as i understand it's just on the jerseys that the oilers are playing with

00:29:14.240 so it's not like we're being subject to more gambling ads i mean they're already virtually

00:29:18.160 on the ice and on the boards and soon they'll be just replace the players with like casino chips on the

00:29:24.040 on the boards and i mean really it is it is a sad it is sad and then and then you know it it's

00:29:32.000 it's everybody right it's lebron james and conor mcdavid and austin matthews and all of the big

00:29:37.120 guys you know it'll all be the legends too but it's deeply disappointing uh but also you know

00:29:42.980 let's see where it goes because when i made that video isaac back in however many months ago it was

00:29:48.440 all the comments were saying let the market be the market leave the free market be let this go

00:29:53.940 just stop being you know stop trying so hard to stop this let it just go so let's see what

00:29:58.120 happened let's see what the people have to say because i think the majority of people as that

00:30:01.720 poll indicated think that this is getting out of control noah why don't you take us away with the

00:30:05.860 final story right so uh you know recently if you've been following canadian news you would

00:30:12.380 know that uh jagmei singh has dissolved his you know confidence and supply agreement with uh

00:30:17.880 justin trudeau you know the uh informal um union between the two parties however uh jagmei

00:30:24.420 singh despite you know dissolving this agreement between uh himself and trudeau he has not said

00:30:28.920 whether or not he's actually going to commit to you know actually opposing the government

00:30:32.740 and opposing their legislation you know legislation that he says is you know profiting big corporations

00:30:38.000 and taking from the little man and you know all the galen weston and this is you know raking in

00:30:43.080 billions you know because uh he's exploiting the canadian people in some way shape or form by

00:30:47.380 raising grocery prices in an inflationary environment like okay big deal but you know jagmei

00:30:53.220 saying instead of you know voting in no confidence in the government that he you know from his

00:30:58.120 rhetoric he would assume that he has no confidence in the government instead of doing that instead of

00:31:01.860 doing the honest and you know uh moral thing if you know you truly believe that this guy is selling

00:31:07.340 our country down the river he is going to you know vote on a case-by-case basis he says that he will not

00:31:12.800 uh be calling uh on uh the government to uh fall instead yeah he is going to you know uh support the

00:31:21.620 liberals in a more covert and uh you know discreet way when uh pure polyev uh pressed jagmei singh on

00:31:28.000 this issue uh jagmei singh in his righteous indignation you know said that i will not take

00:31:33.960 any advice from the leader of the conservative party the guy who is you know basically an evil guy who

00:31:39.600 wants to you know take your money and you know uh you know give it to the big businesses and whatever

00:31:44.380 rhetoric the ndp uh uses nowadays uh but so yeah i think a lot of canadians see this as a very weak

00:31:51.100 move you know he declares the government to be basically evil incarnate and then you know he's

00:31:56.340 voting with the devil uh what do you guys have the clips of those we have those clips don't we we have

00:32:00.920 the clip of calling on jagmeet singh to a vote in a vote in a non-confidence uh vote against the

00:32:09.860 trudeau liberals now we have jagmeet singh responds let's play those clips back to back so the audience

00:32:14.020 can see this uh the new fight between polyev and singh so i have an announcement and a challenge

00:32:20.520 i'm announcing that common sense conservatives will put forward a non-confidence motion at the

00:32:28.220 earliest possible opportunity and i'm asking jagmeet singh and the ndp to commit unequivocally

00:32:36.960 before monday's by elections will they vote non-confidence to bring down the costly coalition

00:32:45.040 i'm not going to listen to you someone who wants to destroy your health care system who wants to

00:32:50.120 hurt seniors by cutting their pensions someone who wants to attack workers someone who wants to strip 0.60

00:32:55.260 away dental care from seniors what kind of person wants to strip away dental care when seniors have

00:33:01.940 just gotten it when kids are receiving it who wants to take that away from them i'm never going to

00:33:06.660 listen to someone like that so no i'm not going to listen to your advice you want to destroy people's

00:33:10.780 lives i want to build up a brighter future lots of drama in canadian politics they really know how to

00:33:15.340 turn up the uh turn up the emotion um isaac what have you what have you made of of this this new

00:33:21.020 development in canadian politics yeah there's so many different things i want to share because this

00:33:26.460 is such a deep topic if you really look into it but uh just starting off i mean uh of course

00:33:34.240 pierre polievre has gone as far as as issuing a statement essentially saying that this is a

00:33:38.400 political stunt because we know singh won't actually do anything and just getting into the

00:33:43.400 parliamentary aspect of it so to have a majority say in parliament you need 170 seats out of 338

00:33:51.080 and the liberals have 154 seats while the ndp of 24 seats which would give them 170 if they vote

00:33:57.500 together the bloc quebecois have 32 seats so as you may have seen if you've watched any of

00:34:02.360 um polievre's recent press conferences he's he was starting to shift the the the onus to the

00:34:09.300 bloc quebecois saying well are you going to prop up the liberals now because if the if the bloc votes

00:34:13.340 with the liberals on anything they they don't need the ndp they they can become the new coalition even

00:34:18.600 if jagmeet singh steps aside another interesting part is look we've seen the polls uh the conservatives

00:34:26.700 are are surely destined to win the next election if it were to happen uh anytime soon and the liberals

00:34:32.320 would be a second place party that means the ndp would remain a third place party so for singh to

00:34:37.520 turn against the liberals he'd essentially have to determine i'm going to get more of a deal with

00:34:42.780 the conservatives than i think i'm going to get from the liberals which i don't know that he's come

00:34:47.020 to that realization which may be why he's not wanting to call an election do you guys think that

00:34:53.480 that might be the case well i think you know yeah i think that despite you know jagmeet singh's

00:35:00.620 regular rhetoric he does not want to call an election you know if you look at the donation

00:35:04.520 records from these parties you know the ndp they are not doing well you know when it comes to being

00:35:08.700 able to collect donations uh the ndp is a party that is chronically in debt pretty much after every

00:35:14.560 election you know they have they're basically in debt and they're still working uh through that

00:35:19.280 and ultimately the polls are not showing that the ndp has been uh gaining from their decision

00:35:26.060 to pull out in the confidence of the supply agreement i think uh singh's gamble was that

00:35:30.400 he's going to you know pull the confidence of supply agreement he's going to you know articulate

00:35:35.340 himself more as an opposition leader than rather you know just uh another sort of like liberal ndp

00:35:41.540 sort of mp uh and then you know that is going to sort of his opposition to trudeau is going to help

00:35:46.800 you know bring support uh behind his party but it seems like that is not happening even some

00:35:51.700 polls are showing that the ndp are down so maybe even the opposite uh is happening so you know singh is

00:35:57.800 not benefiting from uh this uh from pulling out of the agreement that is if he's seeing no benefit in

00:36:02.820 the polls he's not gonna pull the trigger uh on an election so you know i i think that this is all

00:36:08.700 like a cynical game uh for singh you know you don't you can't really listen to the rhetoric you just

00:36:14.520 have to you know watch how the man behaves and you know from watching observing how he behaves he's

00:36:20.020 all talk no action and uh clearly he's not going uh to bring the bring down the government and this

00:36:26.300 looks like uh the conservatives will have a harder time bringing down the government uh because the

00:36:30.940 bloc is going to try and extract as many concessions from the liberals as humanly possible 0.74

00:36:36.340 and peer polio he's welcoming this all you know he wants you know the uh the next election to be like

00:36:41.100 one of like some of the napoleonic wars you know all the the liberals the british you know the

00:36:45.800 ndp the austrians and you know uh maybe the bloc the holy roman empire and he just wants to take

00:36:51.760 all takers you know and he's really gonna embrace that and you know let's see uh if he's gonna be

00:36:57.240 able to you know wage a election campaign in which the bloc the liberals and the ndp are you know in his

00:37:02.920 crosshairs well it's unfortunate let's hope that doesn't happen because it didn't end so well for

00:37:08.100 napoleon at the end of the day however it seems like with jagmeet singh my read on it is that he

00:37:13.860 wants to have his cake and eat it too right he wants to be able to show people and show canadians

00:37:18.380 that he's no longer supporting the liberals but he also is not going to do anything to bring them down

00:37:23.740 at the same time and i don't even know if it's going to have much impact on these by-elections

00:37:28.120 i think he just wants to as you said noah show himself to be something of an uh something of an

00:37:34.280 an opposition figure while not actually doing anything to bring down the government because

00:37:38.880 it's almost all but certain pauliev will win um the way i see it too is i mentioned this on monday

00:37:44.480 that it would be deeply symbolic of justin trudeau's time as prime minister that his final real decision

00:37:52.000 his final act as prime minister is to is to form an agreement whether it even be an official agreement

00:37:58.200 or a loose agreement with the bloc with a with a with a party that does not like canada and their

00:38:05.640 institutions and wants to see our institutions dissolve and wants to pull their own province

00:38:10.300 out of the country it would be so symbolic for him to pair up with a group of people who deeply dislike

00:38:16.880 this country and its institutions i find that because they're the only people left to to keep justin trudeau

00:38:24.040 in power at least publicly uh that that says a lot about where the liberals are right now that says

00:38:29.380 a lot about where this government is that's just my read on it what do you guys think isaac yeah well

00:38:35.680 uh uh you know politics is just a cynical game for justin trudeau uh isaac sorry did you want to go

00:38:42.040 it was lagging no no you're good you're good you're good you're good uh okay cool uh but yeah

00:38:46.720 politics is a cynical game for trudeau i mean he got into it because he has the right name recognition

00:38:51.700 he's like hey you know this is a cushy job you know i wield a lot of power you know it sort of

00:38:55.940 uh appeals to a man a power hungry man uh like justin trudeau uh you know when it comes to the

00:39:02.440 agreement with the ndp that was also a cynical ploy just to keep his government in uh for as long as

00:39:08.560 possible uh you know his government is marked uh by just you know making cynical decisions you know

00:39:14.740 he in 2015 he campaigned on electoral reform was he what does he do you know kick uh kick the can

00:39:20.140 down the road because you know his party benefits from uh first past the post uh you know this is

00:39:25.220 all just a cynical game uh to justin trudeau he doesn't really take uh you know the issues that

00:39:31.040 matter to canadians seriously he just tries to exploit them and you know wedge people on issues

00:39:35.680 uh for um you know partisan purposes so it is just continuation of the same uh and that is what he

00:39:42.580 will continue to do and if he has to rely on people that want to separate from canada and break up

00:39:47.880 this country yeah that's not a big deal to him he believes in post-nationalism anyway

00:39:51.640 isaac as our as our i believe our only francophone at true north why don't you finish this off with

00:39:58.480 this story you get the last word yeah this is interesting harrison something you said reminded

00:40:03.000 me of a pretty uh extensive research study i did in university which was i went through um different

00:40:10.640 elections and i just essentially looked at the difference in debates between french and english

00:40:15.220 and during my literature review i i actually read an entire study about how quebec sees justin

00:40:20.880 trudeau not as a quebecer but as an outsider so they don't like him so now that he would side with

00:40:26.300 them despite as you mentioned noah them being a separatist movement and going against all of

00:40:31.460 canada's institutions and then on top of everything quebecers not even really liking justin trudeau

00:40:36.580 i just find it kind of ironic that that that that will be the hill he chooses to die on uh if you will

00:40:43.820 well that's all the time we have we will wrap this up and to our audience just remember that

00:40:49.940 everything you heard was off the record

00:40:51.980 really disappointing because halfway through the show i realized i missed an excellent segue

00:41:01.320 opportunity from the gambling story to the jagmeet singh story to say that if you were a betting man

00:41:07.120 you wouldn't want to be putting any money on jagmeet singh's success could have been good no i mean

00:41:13.420 i i mean why would you bet on a guy who is a socialist who you know wears rolexes and you know

00:41:19.920 carries versace bags or it's almost like it's almost like you know betting on the shortest guy in the

00:41:26.480 basketball gym to you know dunk it's stupid um but yeah no isaac i didn't know you were a francophone 0.60

00:41:34.020 uh i guess i should have got from your name lamura is that how it's pronounced yeah it is but i'm not

00:41:39.140 a francophone uh i am french but my first language is english because uh i'm like a 12th generation

00:41:44.380 albertan so the french was lost long ago i learned it in school and i mean it's a long story one thing

00:41:49.220 i did want to mention though was um well i take that back my apologies i thought you were a francophone

00:41:54.200 the pronunciation of i'm uh you could you had me fooled there isaac i'm a pseudo francophone because

00:41:59.800 i can speak perfectly fluent french so uh but yeah no something come to premiere and you know

00:42:05.560 fix that province right up man especially with their covid policy is terrible you know

00:42:10.820 you you can fix quebec make quebec great again okay yeah something interesting we didn't mention

00:42:16.560 about singh was he's really trying to turn it in the public eye that oh it's me against polyefra now

00:42:22.100 it's the liberals aren't even in the race it's who do you want the ndp or the conservatives it's like no

00:42:26.280 you're still pulling well in third place you're you're not really in the race at all and i don't

00:42:31.160 think these recent actions are going to help you uh become enter the race essentially yeah you know

00:42:37.740 to me it seems like a one horse race well let's let the audience enjoy their weekend it's friday

00:42:42.380 afternoon go ahead enjoy the weekend and thank you so much for watching

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Off the Record - September 13, 2024

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