Off the Record - Canadians say NO to electric vehicles

00:00:00.000 i think we should talk about the hole and noah's ceiling oh gosh this is a popular matter of

00:00:07.760 concern but i promise you guys it's not out of the norm i'm pretty sure many canadians

00:00:12.640 have holes in their roofs i don't know about that i think it's a lot less normal than you

00:00:17.920 seem to think it is like i think a mutant possum is going to swoop in on you in the middle of the

00:00:22.800 night through that hole you're gonna wake up with like a little nest of baby raccoons in bed with

00:00:27.200 you i don't know maybe i haven't thought of raising a family of baby raccoons but maybe that'd be a

00:00:33.680 nice thing it's perhaps the actual kid raccoons get a bad rap but they're like super cute i know but

00:00:40.720 they're full of distemper no don't go near them they'll bite you yeah no back like rip your face

00:00:46.000 off i i'll pass but uh you know they fight like ninjas they should join the teenage mutant ninja 0.79

00:00:51.680 turtles all righty um are we finished do we want to get started on our actual show guys

00:00:55.840 hey my name is chris sims i'm the Alberta director for the Canadian taxpayers federation i'm here

00:01:08.480 with two of my very dear friends from true north here for off the record even though we're actually

00:01:12.880 on the internet don't ask me i didn't name the show so i wanted to get started on electric vehicles

00:01:19.600 or as a friend of mine like to call them battery powered cars because that's a better mental image

00:01:25.440 when i picture it i picture kind of like a toy so this is the thing uh number one we're trying to

00:01:31.760 spend a ton of money on these things number two it doesn't seem like people are actually wanting to

00:01:35.680 buy them and number three what i find really interesting is now we've done a poll like a big

00:01:41.120 honkin national leger poll and the majority of Canadians don't want this electric vehicle mandate so as of

00:01:49.280 right now the Trudeau government is going to ban the sale of normal vehicles of gasoline and diesel

00:01:56.320 powered vehicles and even some hybrids by the way by the year 2035 so meaning if you walk yourself over

00:02:03.440 to a car dealership and you want to buy a new vehicle in 10 years time which will go by like that

00:02:09.360 you are going to be forced to buy only a battery powered car you won't be allowed to buy a gasoline

00:02:15.120 new diesel car turns out survey says then 60 of those decided of those decided say they don't want

00:02:24.000 Trudeau's ev mandate um i did some follow-up research on this as well so number one the people

00:02:29.520 don't want it and then the main thing that i found is guys we just don't have the energy for this

00:02:34.960 rachel i don't know if you're still hanging out here in alberta or if you're busy covering the united

00:02:39.440 states election but remember in the winter when we're all told not to plug in our hair dryer because

00:02:46.240 we're gonna like collapse the grid but we're all supposed to have electric cars we do not have the

00:02:50.560 juice for this we do not have the electricity for this or the money to to build new power plants what

00:02:56.800 are you guys hearing on things like electric vehicles and the fact government's trying to force them

00:03:02.080 yeah so i mean my perspective is similar to yours a little different in the sense that i do actually

00:03:07.200 really like the idea of an electric vehicle i think that if it was feasible for me i would love to have

00:03:12.800 a tesla actually i was just down in the states when you ask where i am i'm a little here a little there

00:03:17.680 a little everywhere i've been on the road basically non-stop for the last few months but i was just down

00:03:22.080 in florida and i actually saw uh the cyber truck the tesla cyber truck on two different occasions and

00:03:28.000 online you know it looks like a kind of bizarre looking vehicle anyways saw it in person i actually thought

00:03:33.920 it was pretty cool i was like i could see myself driving around one of those that looks like an

00:03:37.440 awesome vehicle i also really admire elon musk i would love to support his business versus say toyota

00:03:43.280 i currently drive a toyota i would love to get one of their little tacoma trucks as my next vehicle

00:03:48.720 but robbie starbuck he does really great work um sort of exposing woke companies and it looks like

00:03:53.920 toyota canada is really woke and pushing all this gender nonsense for surgeries for staff for their

00:03:59.840 staff's kids for gender reassignment surgeries which is let's just say what it is it's you know 0.98

00:04:04.160 telling people to chop off their little boys penises things like that so it makes me not want to support 0.96

00:04:08.720 those woke crappy companies meanwhile i could support something like tesla so i like the idea of electric 0.98

00:04:13.840 vehicle i think it would be cool i want to support elon musk's business that being said my biggest concern

00:04:19.680 is that living in alberta primarily it just doesn't really seem very reasonable for me to be driving

00:04:25.840 an electric vehicle you know i've heard that they don't really have the greatest battery length

00:04:30.160 in our cold cold winters and i already hate stopping to fuel up and i only currently have to

00:04:35.520 fuel up like once a week maybe every two weeks right now so if all of a sudden i'm in a situation

00:04:40.000 where i'm constantly having to think about charging my vehicle that's just going to drive me nuts and so

00:04:44.880 for me you know i need to be practical that's like the primary thing i don't want to be spending all

00:04:48.640 this extra time thinking about when i would have to when i would have to charge my vehicle and then the other

00:04:53.520 thing that you mentioned is in alberta every winter it seems now we're under threat of rolling brown

00:04:58.400 outs where the government is telling us we actually don't have enough baseload power and if you guys

00:05:04.800 don't turn off your hair dryers at home if you don't turn off your lights at home we're going to

00:05:08.560 have to start having rolling brownouts across the province we're actually going to cut your electricity 0.98

00:05:12.960 for a few hours to make sure that everyone can have a little electricity and that no one freezes to

00:05:18.800 death essentially because they're out of power for so long and so for me you know i just don't

00:05:23.600 think it's the most practical thing for me to have in alberta maybe that will change in years to come

00:05:27.840 maybe the technology will improve so that battery life is a little longer but even that being said

00:05:32.880 that is a unique thing that's my decision i personally think that the cybertruck is cool i think

00:05:38.000 maybe one day i'd like to have one my mom on the other hand she was sitting next to me in the vehicle 1.00

00:05:41.600 and she was like that's the ugliest truck i've ever seen in my life it looks absolutely ridiculous 0.91

00:05:45.840 uh she she's not interested you know so i think that's important that we have those options in a 0.65

00:05:50.400 place like canada such a wealthy country there's no reason that we should be telling people you have

00:05:54.240 to drive that type of vehicle or this one canada is an amazing country we have so much wealth and

00:05:58.400 opportunities here i think the benefit of living in a place like this is the opportunity and decisions

00:06:03.440 that we get to make so no i'm not really interested in the government telling me what type of vehicle

00:06:06.880 i have to drive i don't think other canadians are us are either noah what's your take on this

00:06:11.920 yeah i think rachel bring up some good uh points in the sense that like we we have to consider the

00:06:17.280 practical reality of implementing such a ban i mean we do not have the energy required and the capacity

00:06:23.680 to generate such energy in order to you know support millions upon millions of electric vehicles on our

00:06:30.160 streets and as it is we don't even have the infrastructure for your average canadian to feel

00:06:35.760 comfortable buying an electric vehicle because a lot of the time they're not going to be able to find

00:06:40.480 an electric vehicle charger especially in more rural parts of the country and as rachel mentioned

00:06:46.160 in more rural and northern parts of the country where it gets quite cold especially in alberta i see

00:06:51.520 you guys getting like negative 50 in like the middle of february you know as an ontarian i see those

00:06:57.520 digits i you know shrivel up a little bit in fear but you know like so do the teslas and so do

00:07:03.920 the electric vehicles their uh energy capacity their battery capacity can sometimes diminish by around

00:07:10.080 30 to even 40 percent which if you are buying a electric vehicle or any vehicle for that matter

00:07:16.800 you need your vehicle to be reliable you need to reliably able to take your vehicle to work or do

00:07:22.320 work with your vehicle if that's what uh you are doing and also just a basic part of reality is that

00:07:29.040 canadians they don't want this and if you're going to force such a ban on canadians then you're probably

00:07:34.800 going to not be able to execute such a policy properly for example what do you do after the

00:07:40.720 ban goes through and with the all the classic cars and you know the sort of gas guzzling cars that

00:07:47.120 people have collected i mean it in the liberal government's argument in the liberal government's

00:07:52.160 worldview such cards are still contributing to climate change and pollution so are the is the government

00:07:58.560 going to come after your classic cars and you're just all your gas power cars next furthermore uh

00:08:04.640 people are just going to continue to buy used uh gas powered vehicles because electric vehicles cost

00:08:12.240 more and especially since we are going through a cost of living crisis in this country people are more

00:08:18.240 often not going to spend within their means and they are going to buy you know the used cars and to the

00:08:25.040 liberal government's chagrin so i really believe that this is not only a dumb policy that me and

00:08:31.520 my friends definitely do not like because we like our gas power cars and we like to hear the engine you 0.84

00:08:36.880 know you know make loud noises because you know it's just something like a masculine urge but uh you

00:08:42.880 know like it's a matter of personal choice freedom and also practical reality and the liberal government

00:08:48.080 they fail on both of those fronts and the money involved in this if i can just go over some of the numbers

00:08:53.840 um so with the federal government they're dumping around 30 billion dollars into this into ev

00:09:01.680 manufacturing and battery manufacturing um and i will point out these are mega international

00:09:06.960 corporations that do not need taxpayers funding they do not need taxpayers help we're talking volkswagen

00:09:12.800 ford you know tons and tons of these companies if you add in what the ontario taxpayer is coughing up

00:09:19.520 the total now is around 50 billion dollars with a b to put that into perspective it costs around 1

00:09:26.960 billion to build a hospital so you're picturing 50 hospitals now um if you get into the real numbers

00:09:34.080 uh so we found a study from natural resources canada okay the federal government itself out loud with its

00:09:41.120 face saying that by i think 2035 2040 that this mandate this forced electric vehicle mandate from

00:09:50.080 the federal government will cost around 300 billion dollars that's insane yeah we don't have the money

00:09:57.040 for that and so that number was huge and so i dug into it more i'm like okay let's get right down to

00:10:02.320 brass tacks i want megawatts i want kilowatts let's see what this is and i worked it out and yeah it's right

00:10:08.720 so based on if if say we had we have around 24 million cars and trucks right now in canada so

00:10:16.480 i'm talking vehicles that are gasoline powered cars and light duty pickup trucks not talking about the

00:10:21.920 semi trucks that deliver all of our food okay just personal cars 24 million if we shifted all of those

00:10:29.760 over at midnight in 2035 over to electric we would need 20 new big nuclear power plants

00:10:38.000 plants just to power that fleet of vehicles you do the math yeah that's around 300 billion dollars

00:10:46.640 so we do not have the energy and we don't have the money to build the energy for this thing

00:10:52.320 it seems like the trudeau government didn't really think this through before they went for it um did we

00:10:57.200 want to move over to the carbon tax here rachel well i think that's another interesting kind of point

00:11:02.400 to raise because it all ties together when we talk about this electric vehicle mandate the trudeau

00:11:06.640 government that isn't the only means that they're pressuring people to move over into electric vehicles

00:11:11.200 sure they have this mandate they're warning people you know you're not going to be able to buy gas

00:11:15.120 powered vehicles at the same time they're really trying to price consumers out of being able to afford

00:11:21.360 gas powered vehicles with things like the carbon tax and we know that this is a hot button issue it's

00:11:26.560 really what the conservative party has made one of their like platform policies is affordability centered

00:11:32.000 around the carbon tax and you know it seems that every opportunity one conservative government or

00:11:37.360 opposition party in the in the province is trying to kind of bring canadians attention back to the

00:11:41.840 carbon tax and the harmful impacts of it again so we know that the supreme court ruled a few years

00:11:46.640 back that it was constitutional when we saw that challenge from a number of provinces now new brunswick

00:11:51.120 premier blaine higgs is once again renewing that challenge to say that the carbon tax is is not

00:11:57.040 constitutional he's seeking to bring a legal challenge against it once again um and you know

00:12:03.680 he's doing this as the province nears an election so probably trying to remind voters that some of the

00:12:10.160 the issues that they're feeling in the pocket not the not the problem of his government per se

00:12:16.000 um but this is a little bit of a different challenge than what we've seen in the past

00:12:19.440 chris perhaps you want to go ahead and explain what you've noticed to be different from this challenge

00:12:23.280 versus what we've seen in the past yeah for sure so i'm from british columbia uh but i worked on

00:12:29.200 parliament hill for 20 something years so my experience of the carbon tax has been primarily

00:12:33.680 the provincial version of it so they have to keep it at the same rate as the federal government but

00:12:39.040 there's different uh car votes and things like that and so what i find really interesting here is that

00:12:45.120 the new brunswick government they're under the yoke of the federal carbon tax and what they're

00:12:50.160 highlighting and now i'm hearing premier daniel smith highlighting is hey this isn't just you

00:12:55.920 know 13 bucks every minivan or 20 bucks every pickup truck what about the schools what about the

00:13:02.000 ambulance fleets what about the downloaded costs of the carbon tax onto keeping this major infrastructure

00:13:09.040 up and running and heated with the lights on so here in alberta a lot of our electrical power talk

00:13:14.560 about plugging in your vehicle a lot of our electrical power comes from natural gas and so if you have a

00:13:21.200 natural gas bill here in the province of alberta you pay a carbon tax so it's really interesting to

00:13:27.600 hear the language coming out of higgs and also coming from premier smith saying hey it's more than

00:13:33.840 just the average person driving or heating their home you're having a knock-on effect of higher costs

00:13:39.360 here and we're gonna fight you so we are urging every single premier in every single province to

00:13:46.240 jump in on this fight uh we want them elbows up we want them pushing back against pre against prime 0.97

00:13:52.000 minister justin trudeau's carbon tax i'm expecting that uh premier daniel smith and alberta will jump

00:13:58.080 into this court fight any second now yeah so go ahead noah well yeah and just from a legal perspective

00:14:06.080 i think that over the past few years we've seen the trudeau government undermine the argument for the

00:14:13.600 carbon tax being constitutionally valid in so far as the supreme court ruled in part that the

00:14:20.880 carbon tax was justified under the reasoning that the carbon emissions is a matter of national concern

00:14:28.480 and that provinces individually cannot address this issue and that a federal statute needed to be devised

00:14:35.200 in order to regulate uh carbon emissions in canada but the problem is that if this was a matter of

00:14:41.760 such grave national concern you wouldn't be giving out carve outs to certain provinces and you wouldn't

00:14:47.680 be giving out carbon uh carve outs on certain products because this is just a matter of grave national

00:14:52.960 concern uh and if you are giving out certain carve outs to some people why not give it to others if

00:14:58.400 you're giving out carve outs to the maritimers on their home heating oil why aren't you giving it out to

00:15:03.840 the albertans or why don't you give it to the british colombians or ontarians i mean it is perfectly

00:15:09.920 evident that the carbon tax is something that the federal government is trying to impose as something

00:15:16.080 that is an existential threat but they're not treating it as existential threat they're just

00:15:19.920 treating it as another revenue generating mechanism and you know they're really promoting the idea that

00:15:25.920 you're going to get more money that you put into the carbon tax you know even though it's a false

00:15:30.400 notion that has been uh repeatedly debunked especially by the parliamentary budget officer

00:15:35.120 but nonetheless the true to government still tries to push this line so i think the true to government

00:15:40.480 they've definitely undermined the idea that you know the reducing greenhouse gas emissions is a matter

00:15:46.080 of national concern and they've undermined the argument that provinces are not capable of doing

00:15:50.960 this because we see provinces uh attempting to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in a variety of ways

00:15:57.600 i mean alberta is one of the provinces that talks the most about carbon capture because you know

00:16:03.440 they understand the idea that you know reducing greenhouse gas emissions is a popular sentiment within

00:16:09.040 the canadian public and people want to see action on that so i think that yeah when you see uh the

00:16:16.240 federal government undermining their own argument on the carbon tax you're going to have provinces jump on

00:16:21.680 that opportunity and new brunswick doing so by taking the government to court is something that

00:16:27.440 i think a lot of canadians are happy to see right very well said noah they're treating it as uh really

00:16:33.120 a um general revenue generating stream and then they're also conveniently treating it as an election

00:16:38.880 issue by carving out these exemptions for certain provinces where it's going to be particularly

00:16:43.760 expensive particularly unpopular for their mps of course the liberals aren't the only one treating

00:16:48.560 it as an election issue um you know now we know that ndp leader jagmeet singh has come out and

00:16:54.720 says you know he doesn't really agree with the carbon pricing regime anymore um i mean it's just

00:17:00.080 when we talk about disingenuous politicians like jagmeet singh is one of those people who makes

00:17:03.840 me want to go like full black pill like politics is meaningless none of this matters like he's such 0.96

00:17:08.480 a frustrating person and it's like so ridiculous that he's actually a political leader who has as much 0.90

00:17:14.160 sway and is like much of discussion in the national news scene as he is because he's like 0.97

00:17:19.200 so disingenuous and like so useless at his job but here we are talking about him once again because

00:17:24.240 unfortunately as it currently stands he's still a news maker and i guess we still have to discuss the 0.82

00:17:28.080 things that he says um even though i don't know that he believes any of it to be honest but he he

00:17:32.480 said he doesn't support the carbon pricing regime now the liberals are accusing him of falling

00:17:36.480 for conservative propaganda obviously he was just looking at his internal polling like come on

00:17:40.800 but uh now the the liberal ministers are offering to meet with him and i guess essentially

00:17:45.040 correct his wrong thing i don't know what do you guys what do you guys make of this like

00:17:48.960 this is all this to me just is all like the worst type of politics like it's all such meaningless

00:17:53.360 news headlines you're trying to deceive the people like i just am so sick of these types of stories

00:17:58.240 like i just can't handle this government anymore yeah that sounds very black pill um for folks who

00:18:03.520 are watching who don't understand what the heck we're talking about with the black pill red pill blue pill

00:18:08.320 i get this question quite a bit actually when we go out amongst normal people and they watch our shows

00:18:14.240 so a red pill blue pill that's from the movie the matrix so go back and watch it keanu reeves it's

00:18:20.320 an amazing movie and the idea is if you're red pilled you wake up and you actually see the patterns

00:18:26.960 going on and you see what the government in this case is up to blue pill means i'd rather not i'm

00:18:32.720 just gonna stay blissfully unaware and pretend i think black pill rachel um is that you're kind of

00:18:39.440 borderline despair so i do want to pull you back from the black pill brink i think what's not just

00:18:47.360 the despair that i feel is like i think what most of canadians are feeling like i think we have a

00:18:52.320 story about like the fatigue the canadians are feeling like i'm with you all like i just cannot

00:18:57.440 handle the fake news headlines that like actually have no impact on our lives like things not improving

00:19:03.360 people like jagmeet saying polling their supply conference agreement but they're really not pulling it

00:19:07.920 like they're never going to have an election i think noah you can speak more to this about

00:19:12.560 canadians fatigue like i'm right there with you with the rest of you like this is just tiring

00:19:17.520 parliament's clearly not working like when we get to this place in politics which does happen i would

00:19:22.640 say every few years maybe even every you know every decade if we want to be generous where the people

00:19:28.400 who are elected to represent us just can no longer work together and there's just so much friction

00:19:32.720 and so much disagreement and it feels like such a toxic place like it really just is time for an

00:19:36.880 election that we don't have to stay in this place but i think the place i'm in and the the sort of

00:19:41.760 the despair and the discouragement that i'm feeling about our political scene is like the natural things

00:19:47.040 that happens in a political cycle and i think it's like something a lot of people are feeling right now

00:19:51.760 yeah i i think so you know after about 10 years usually a government starts to you know loses

00:19:57.840 popularity and luster but even the trudeau government is really really pushing it when it comes to

00:20:02.960 uh just how unpopular they are and jagmei singh is definitely uh not helping you know it's it's

00:20:09.040 funny because jagmei singh in title is the leader of the ndp but he's anything but a leader i mean he is

00:20:15.280 the definition of a follower i mean if you go back and listen to jagmei singh when he was first becoming

00:20:20.640 the leader of the ndp he gave this interview where he basically said before he was getting into politics

00:20:25.440 he had to you know pick and choose uh like you know ordering off a menu which political party he

00:20:30.400 was going to join should i join the conservatives the liberals the ndp you know i'm not sure and then

00:20:34.800 you know let's pick for like uh like you're ordering at a restaurant it's like do you have

00:20:38.720 no values do you just like go wherever the wind is blowing uh and you know on the matter of the

00:20:44.240 carbon tax he has not been a leader on this issue at all he just follows the trudeau government

00:20:49.360 uh with their carbon tax regime and then he's following other ndp leaders who are saying hey

00:20:55.280 the carbon tax is not working out for us during the alberta ndp leadership contest you've had

00:21:01.360 several leadership content contestants that have said that hey you know maybe the carbon tax isn't

00:21:07.120 such a good idea you know you start to see uh premier david ebbe start to tone his rhetoric down

00:21:13.840 on the carbon tax uh you also have uh other ndp leaders like wab canoe uh who is also not totally

00:21:21.360 in favor of a carbon tax and you have uh plenty of other uh premiers who are not in favor of carbon tax

00:21:26.880 the jenny scene just is just following the canadian sentiment and believes that hey you know supporting

00:21:32.400 the carbon tax a few years ago was politically favorable for me and now it's not so now i'm not

00:21:37.280 going to uh support the carbon tax he has he shows no leadership whatsoever and he you know just

00:21:43.280 follows other people that's why the canadians have had to deal with this trudeau government for

00:21:48.800 as long as we've had because he doesn't have the stones in order to call for an election and basically

00:21:54.480 you know take some leadership and try and take his message to the canadian people and try and get

00:21:59.840 elected on that basis but he has no real message to deliver to the canadian people because he's a

00:22:05.440 hollow husk of a man if he wanted to follow uh an ndp leader on the issue of the carbon tax

00:22:13.280 he could crack open his very recent party history books and the late former leader of the federal

00:22:18.880 ndp jack layton was opposed to the carbon tax he said so repeatedly you can go back and find it it's

00:22:25.600 a globe and mail article it's from 2008 he said very clearly that it is unfair to punish people in

00:22:31.680 a big cold country like canada for heating their homes and then it's also really unfair to make certain

00:22:37.120 items more expensive because you know what ding ding ding it'll hurt poor people and the working

00:22:42.640 class the most and he was bang on the nose on that in fact i'm old enough to remember i booked him for

00:22:49.200 the show to talk about stuff like this so we talked about it so he can go back to the og stance on the

00:22:57.760 carbon tax of the ndp which was against it in fact you mentioned david eby the original british

00:23:04.400 columbia ndp when the carbon tax was first hatched in north america in british columbia in 2008 they

00:23:12.000 opposed the carbon tax so much they ran a campaign on it during the election the campaign slogan i kid

00:23:19.920 you not was axe the tax it's amazing how if you wait around long enough the same old thing comes back

00:23:29.280 into vogue i did want to raise this issue of gibo's new like i don't know what you would call it a

00:23:35.600 re-education camp or something that is offering people on the carbon tax but before we do that

00:23:40.960 to your point on how much money this thing brings in i actually i went in and dug through the federal

00:23:46.080 budget which by the way is a dumpster fire it's terrible provincial budgets very clear almost all math

00:23:52.000 almost all graphs there is so much filler in the provincial in the federal budget it's almost

00:23:58.160 impossible to pull up the actual stats but i found it so the carbon tax this year in canada will pull

00:24:06.240 in close to 13 billion dollars federally into federal government coffers but get this so you guys

00:24:14.480 have both read budget documents you know how you can find like the revenue right and you go along the

00:24:20.000 line item and usually you could look for something like carbon tax or carbon levy this is what the

00:24:25.920 trudeau government called it as their line item i'm going to read it quote pollution pricing proceeds

00:24:31.760 to be returned to canadians end quote well chris they need that 13 billion dollars to buy tampons for

00:24:40.320 men so it's like totally fair i'm so glad they have my money for that like it's insane how like so many

00:24:46.720 bodies are just trying to like like you know do this revisionist history thing and like oh the carbon

00:24:51.200 tax is not actually a tax you know like like the supreme court for example ruled that it's not a

00:24:55.840 tax it's a regulatory levy oh wow big difference here sort of like how how in alberta there was no

00:25:05.200 vaccine mandate you know it was like a vaccine exemption passport pass or something you know it's like

00:25:11.280 it's just it's just like it's just a fancy euphemism for being exactly what you think it is

00:25:16.160 it's ultimately just deception like it's just deceiving the canadian people on what it actually

00:25:21.760 is and you know like it's kind of funny to you know read you know how absurd you know the calling it

00:25:27.680 the the whatever you said chris um but pollution pricing proceeds to be returned to canadians

00:25:33.680 yeah like that's kind of funny you say that 10 times fast but you know it's kind of dark in the

00:25:42.160 sense that i know give me that black pill bottle blatantly trying to deceive you and lie to your

00:25:48.080 face that it's insane and you know obviously that does not take into consideration all the

00:25:52.400 administrative costs it requires uh on behalf of revenue canada and stuff in order to administer

00:25:58.080 the carbon tax so you're actually paying out of paying more uh for the carbon tax you know if

00:26:02.960 you account for the bureaucracy but you know the federal government's obviously not going to tell

00:26:07.120 you that no and don't forget the tax on tax sorry to really shove that black pill further down your 0.55

00:26:13.440 throat rachel but we pay the tax on tax so we do the carbon tax and then they add the gst after so

00:26:19.440 we're paying a tax on the carbon tax and it is hundreds of millions of dollars this is not a couple

00:26:24.560 of nickels here and there it is huge money can we pull up that uh i think we have the letter is this

00:26:30.640 a letter did did the environment minister actually send this to jagmeet singh whoever wants to take

00:26:36.000 this away you can go ahead and read it i do not want to read it i'll just put that out there okay

00:26:41.520 no fair enough so my understanding is this comes from the environment minister stefan guibo

00:26:47.600 uh who by the way was not at the announcement when they announced the carve out for home heating oil

00:26:52.560 i'll just point that out there he was one of the few cabinet ministers that wasn't there

00:26:56.160 um so this is his sternly worded letter i think it's three pages but he sent to jagmeet singh

00:27:02.640 because all jagmeet singh did which was interesting was muse out loud of perhaps it's no longer a good

00:27:09.920 idea to put the burden of the carbon tax onto the back of working people and it resulted in this letter

00:27:16.160 so the liberals are big mad about losing a bit of ground on the carbon tax and they're so upset and so

00:27:24.480 big mad that they're going to send a strongly worded letter to jagmeet singh saying you really

00:27:28.880 need to fall back in line on the carbon tax but i don't think that's going to happen when you have

00:27:33.280 someone as strident uh a carbon tax cheerleader as ndp leader slash premier david eby now saying

00:27:42.240 oh well if the feds get rid of theirs their backstop their mandatory one will get rid of the consumer 1.00

00:27:47.840 carbon tax in british columbia like a few months ago it was the same sorts of people in british

00:27:55.120 columbia and not him himself because i can't find the quote but the same crowd would call you horrible

00:28:01.200 things for saying we shouldn't have a carbon tax in bc they would accuse you of you know not caring

00:28:06.720 about lytton they would call you a climate change denier which by the way is a disgusting term and

00:28:11.680 people shouldn't put up with it um so now all of a sudden it's too expensive for people because

00:28:18.160 people can't afford food they can't afford rent and they can't afford to heat their homes or to

00:28:23.040 drive to work in bc it is so unaffordable in that province the carbon taxes are a big reason why and

00:28:29.360 now all of a sudden david eby is saying you know what maybe we should get rid of it if he is seeing

00:28:35.840 the light and saying you know what maybe this is a big deal i think it's just a matter of time

00:28:41.280 before we actually do get mr singh saying you know what we can't do this anymore because you're

00:28:46.400 right rachel they would have seen internal polling they read the newspapers they read

00:28:50.640 the editorial section they get letters and emails hello all the time and i think they're eventually

00:28:56.080 just going to crack on this did we want to move on to your issue here noah i don't even know about

00:29:01.840 this so it's the sdtc documents that you've got what's going on there yeah so uh just some

00:29:09.520 background uh about a year ago it was revealed that this crown corporation sustainable development

00:29:15.760 technology canada uh their board of directors and their executives has basically been uh engaging in

00:29:23.200 misconduct and corporate mismanagement some could even say corruption uh regarding with how taxpayer

00:29:29.920 funds were being used for example they were giving out hundreds of millions of dollars to companies that

00:29:35.760 they were associated with other companies that they had uh investments in whether it's companies

00:29:41.600 that they had uh connections with whether that they they worked at such a company or they have friends

00:29:47.840 that work there and ultimately uh the ethics commissioner and the auditor general found gross mismanagement

00:29:54.560 and misconduct uh they found that they uh the board several board of directors had violated the conflict

00:30:00.720 of interest act uh and i have done some reporting on this matter where i basically found that one of

00:30:07.680 the board of directors her name's annette verschuren uh she had basically invested in third about 13 of 0.94

00:30:14.000 the companies uh that s uh that sdtc had given um money to and what that's you know hundreds of millions

00:30:20.720 of dollars um or you know grants in the tens of thousands of dollars so uh sdtc has been going through the

00:30:26.960 ringer uh their president had to step down several of their board of directors had to step down their

00:30:32.400 board of directors has pretty much been wiped out and the federal government has decommissioned sdtc as

00:30:39.600 it stands because the corruption uh just goes so deep uh and it is pretty much uh and uh you can't salvage

00:30:48.560 uh this crown corporation so the opposition as they are doing their job they have requested documents

00:30:54.960 uh from the trudeau government they basically requested all of the financial records of sdtc the

00:31:00.640 funding agreements uh that they had with the federal government because they had violated

00:31:05.040 many of the funding agreements with the federal government and also they wanted correspondence

00:31:09.520 meeting notes amongst the board of directors etc etc and they want to hand those documents over

00:31:15.680 to the rcmp the house of commons they have the absolute power to request documents from the federal

00:31:22.480 government so long as it is not a matter of national security concern however the trudeau government has

00:31:29.200 basically defied parliament and basically said that they are above the law that they will not be handing

00:31:34.560 over uh these documents and the speaker of the house of commons a liberal mp greg fergus has ruled that

00:31:42.400 yes the trudeau government is in contempt of parliament and they ought to hand over those documents to the

00:31:49.840 opposition who will then hand over those documents to the rcmp the speaker is going to urge the

00:31:56.960 conservative party to pass a motion in parliament to get the matter studied in committee first uh but

00:32:02.400 the conservatives are under no obligation to do this so it seems as if the liberals are very very

00:32:08.720 concerned at covering up their scandals and you know the basically corruption that has been rife

00:32:14.240 uh in their government we also see in this attempt when they tried to take the speaker to court over

00:32:20.560 the national microbiology laboratory um so it just seems like they just have a contempt uh for openness

00:32:29.200 and transparency uh the openness and transparency that they campaigned on in 2015 what do you guys

00:32:34.000 think about the story that is more than having a contempt more than having contempt for openness and

00:32:39.200 transparency they have a contempt for canadians they're taxing canadians to death money's flying

00:32:44.720 out the door money is rolling out of the door faster than it ever has and it's going to friends

00:32:49.760 friends of people in the liberal government friends of people on these crown corporations family people

00:32:53.440 on these crown corporations it's just so exhausting to listen to these types of stories time and time

00:32:57.760 again why are the people responsible here not being prosecuted they should be being criminally

00:33:02.080 prosecuted for stealing money from canadians but we'd never see that they at best get a slap on the wrist

00:33:07.520 but people who are you know commit these types of crimes steal money from canadians improperly award

00:33:12.880 contracts to friends and family they they're never actually held to account in this country anymore

00:33:18.160 that is great work noah um so i had been following this so now i really remember this is all the major

00:33:24.000 committee work that's been going on trying to drag these documents out of out of this uh crown corporation

00:33:29.520 you know um i've been in the game for a long time and i was there during the so-called sponsorship

00:33:34.640 scandal i was covering it on parliament hill an ad scam this would have been all over the place like

00:33:39.920 this would have been front page news every single day for weeks on end people chasing cabinet ministers

00:33:45.760 down the hall with live cameras rolling shouting questions at them this is huge and to now see i think

00:33:53.360 this is now to your point this is i think the second time i have seen the speaker who's a liberal say um

00:34:01.360 no you must cough this up you are in contempt of the house of commons contempt of parliament unless

00:34:07.040 you cough up this information and to see the liberal government refusing so again i think this is the

00:34:13.280 second time i've seen this in a couple of years and i don't remember ever seeing it before we've had some

00:34:18.160 big dust-ups in the house of commons over the time the mace was grabbed at one point when people

00:34:22.560 were getting pretty rowdy in there but not like this so good on you for keeping track of this from what i

00:34:29.520 can tell it's largely the conservatives driving the bus on this in the committee or is the ndp do we

00:34:35.440 know not to spring you on this um is the ndp and block chiming in on this and committee saying yeah

00:34:41.040 you better cough up these documents sometimes they do team up yeah yeah they are piling on the liberals

00:34:46.560 on this and you know good on the ndp and the block you know it seems like one of those stories that you

00:34:51.680 know they don't have such an ideological uh connection to although this is a crown corporation that is giving

00:34:57.200 money to sort of green technology corporation so i kind of would have thought the ndp would be a

00:35:02.000 little more skittish on taking the liberals to town on this but they are and credit to the ndp

00:35:07.440 on this but you know you know the ndp they feel like they have only a few issues in which they

00:35:11.600 could press the liberals on and the you know the other ones all the important matters they have to

00:35:16.000 support them but you know at least you know they're doing something you know i don't want to

00:35:20.800 trash on them every single time i talk no it's good that they're chiming in on committee because

00:35:26.400 that's how you actually get these things put forward and the fact that both the auditor general

00:35:30.320 you said and the ethics commissioner have already ruled on this huge this is huge um thank you for

00:35:35.920 covering this rachel did you want to bring up you had a poll that you wanted to raise here

00:35:40.400 there's one last story that we have for you guys today and i think that it's a good and a positive note

00:35:46.720 to end the show on there's been a lot of heavy material been a lot of negativity black pilling if you

00:35:52.800 will but here take a look at this shows from this uh the story about canadians shows that most canadians

00:35:59.440 do not like being called settlers surprise surprise you were born here i was born here maybe you

00:36:07.120 immigrated here legally and got canadian citizenship you don't want to be called a settler no surprise

00:36:11.040 there i don't want to be called a settler and sure we could talk about the negative aspects of the

00:36:15.120 story that we even have to have these discussions but i think it's a positive thing that canadians agree

00:36:20.320 that this is really just silly that we should be expected to call ourselves settlers um when we've

00:36:26.400 lived here and in many cases for multiple generations in our families um and i think the

00:36:31.280 positive part of the story is that i think that there's sort of like a conservative awakening happening

00:36:36.880 across the country um in a variety of ways i mean and in one regard people are really feeling the

00:36:42.640 disastrous economic policies of the local government likewise they are in the states you know they're really

00:36:47.920 feeling the pinch at the pumps or when they go to buy groceries and so people are sort of looking

00:36:52.000 for solutions and i think in many cases that's causing them to say you know what next time there's

00:36:56.080 an election i'm gonna throw my hat in the ring for pierre polyevre even though i don't like him

00:37:00.880 personally i'm gonna vote for donald trump in the november election but at the same time i think

00:37:05.200 conservatives are becoming much more vocal and forthright and they're becoming a lot more confident

00:37:11.200 and courageous and willing to speak their mind on these important things when i was in university

00:37:15.680 i felt like there was really not a voice for conservatives i wouldn't i was at a very liberal

00:37:20.880 university and you know conservative voices were being so silenced and stymied at the time and i

00:37:26.000 just didn't seem like we had a lot of strong conservative voices especially in canada i think

00:37:30.880 dr jordan peterson was really one of those first voices that came out and for many years you know we

00:37:35.680 had a very weak conservative party that didn't really take strong stances um on things like gender

00:37:41.040 ideology and immigration and they're only now seeming to get their foothold in that and so

00:37:45.520 as much as things are really bad with our government and we have a lot of really bad policies

00:37:49.920 i think that writ large uh common sense good people across the country are waking waking up and saying

00:37:55.200 enough of this nonsense we're tired of it we're going to vote for something different the next time

00:37:59.120 around and we're going to be courageous in how we speak about these things and and we're not going

00:38:03.680 to be fearful of what people might think about us for speaking the truth anymore and i think that's a

00:38:07.920 really positive thing for the country and you know i'm grateful that um i'm grateful to be a young

00:38:13.920 person at a time when we're sort of seeing this uh awakening if you will across the country and

00:38:18.000 across north america and i don't think it's too late to save canada i don't think it's too late to

00:38:22.480 save north america but certainly the direction people vote in in the next elections will matter

00:38:27.600 quite a bit no yeah i think it's great though you know people don't are rejecting the label of

00:38:34.160 settler the settler label has a very particular sort of implication and it's a negative implication it

00:38:39.680 implies that you existing in canada as a canadian is some sort of moral you know abomination of sorts

00:38:47.680 like you really shouldn't be here you're just a settler and you know in an ideal world you would give

00:38:53.280 your land back to the people who rightfully own it now this is a particularly interesting uh view of the

00:38:59.760 world because you know conquest happens all the time you know i'm not saying con conquering other

00:39:05.280 peoples and you know everything that comes with that is a particularly good thing but it happens

00:39:10.800 uh and you know a civilization was established on the land in which the indigenous people did

00:39:17.280 inhabit and continue to inhabit and it's a particularly good civilization and we should look to preserve and

00:39:22.560 protect uh canadian uh civilization because you know at the end of the day if we if we get rid of

00:39:28.960 canada what is there really going to be you know nothing that can replace uh canada is going to be

00:39:34.480 better than what we have uh right now obviously canada can improve and get better we all acknowledge the

00:39:40.000 problems and faults that this country has but that at the end of the day i don't know about you guys but

00:39:44.400 there's no really other country that i'd prefer uh living in so i think that you know canadians

00:39:49.840 rejecting uh the settler label is a good thing especially since it's a derogatory term i mean like

00:39:55.520 that'd be like you know an ethnic minority you know accepting the slurs that they get hurled at

00:40:01.200 them you know it's kind of ridiculous uh for canadians to roll over and you do have a lot of uh 0.90

00:40:07.040 white canadians especially that are you know inflicted with white guilt and they believe that you know 0.98

00:40:12.080 because of their skin color that they are inherently oppressors and therefore they have to do everything 1.00

00:40:17.440 in their power in order to accommodate minorities but that is the wrong uh view of the world and i'm sure 0.98

00:40:23.520 that uh the two of you understand that i think that uh as more and more canadians sort of recognize the

00:40:30.240 need for a cohesive uh national identity that uh unites one another uh that you were going to start

00:40:37.360 to see the rejection of wokeism that is just that just serves the purpose to divide us you know divide

00:40:41.920 us on uh identitarian uh grounds so i think you know canadians as rachel said are starting to awaken to

00:40:49.760 you know their canadianness and um you know want to be able to conserve the society that our forefathers

00:40:57.600 and our constitutional forefathers uh had erected back in 1867. you know we get a lot of emails at the

00:41:04.720 canadian taxpayers federation and um they're becoming increasingly more what could i say upsetting

00:41:12.640 concerned um because people just can't make it like they just can't make it we have more than half of

00:41:20.080 canadians now are within 200 every month of not being able to make their minimum payments on their

00:41:26.480 bills and i'm talking minimum payments like you're not paying off a credit card you're making minimum

00:41:32.000 payments in order just to barely keep your lights on we now also have record demand from coast to coast

00:41:39.360 at food banks the sharpest increase that the volunteers there are seeing are from what they

00:41:45.600 call working families what that means if you picture it a working family is that parents who 0.56

00:41:52.320 are holding down jobs are still counting on jars of donated peanut butter to feed their kids

00:41:59.840 that's where we're at and we hear from people from i'm telling you every walk of life every walk of

00:42:06.640 life they could be brand new canadians it could be seventh generation they could be first nations

00:42:10.640 canadians you name it um and they are really really hurting and that's our message is that we need

00:42:20.240 lower taxes less waste and more accountable government in order to give people their lives back

00:42:26.080 so that they can afford these things there was a gentleman who made a really good recommendation to me

00:42:31.040 a few months ago and it was about taxes it's about money picture what lands in your bank account say

00:42:37.520 you get paid your salary every two weeks say it automatically is deposited picture that number

00:42:42.640 doubling that amount doubling that's basically how much taxes take from you all the time picture

00:42:51.680 what you could do with that money could you afford to save up for a down payment could you know what

00:42:56.720 get his roof fixed we know what could get his roof fixed could you afford better food for your kids

00:43:02.080 and so that's why whenever i hear divisive language like this it almost you know what it almost always

00:43:08.080 comes from a very rich person in an ivory tower coming from academia who frankly isn't lining up for

00:43:16.000 donated jars of peanut butter so that's just been my experience that um this sort of need and this sort of

00:43:25.040 desire for freedom and lower taxes and more prosperity is universal and so that's what it just hurts when

00:43:33.360 i hear divisive language like that and so that's the kind of message we're hearing from the taxpayers

00:43:38.160 federation supporters all the time people are getting really to the end of their rope and i just wanted

00:43:43.680 to encourage them that we've seen bad times before canadians have seen bad times before there is always hope

00:43:50.560 okay people will eventually have enough of this and they will change they will absolutely change just

00:43:56.800 giving you a little bit of trace back to what we were seeing with cracks in the hull of the ndp on the

00:44:01.920 carbon tax if you see someone as ideologically wedded to something like the carbon tax like premier david eb

00:44:08.560 is cracking under the pressure that's because he's hearing from you that's because he's hearing from

00:44:14.880 the people who are lining up for jars of peanut butter so i just wanted to give people a little

00:44:19.280 bit of the white pill is that the term i should use here rachel um to give them a bit of hope that

00:44:25.200 things will they can and do change we have seen really tough times in canada before and i i truly

00:44:31.120 believe that things are going to get better i think that things are going to improve folks thank you so

00:44:36.240 much for watching thank you both rachel and noah for your contributions to this show and remember

00:44:42.240 everything is off the record

00:44:52.080 very good guys good job i like the hope and optimism at the end there you know like we're

00:44:57.360 just pounding people for the first 35 minutes and then they do need hope they do

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Off the Record - October 04, 2024

Canadians say NO to electric vehicles

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