Off the Record - Ford gushes over Carney as pipeline plans crumble

00:00:00.000 Yeah, I did not actually catch the game, Isaac. I love your t-shirt, but this is going to

00:00:06.660 sound ridiculously self-centered and really superstitious. I haven't watched a second

00:00:11.260 of the Oilers' playoffs. I've been abstaining. At first, I was super mad because of how silly

00:00:17.040 and political they were with Mark Carney. Don't let somebody suit up for you, no matter what team 0.97

00:00:22.000 they're on during the election, right? Just don't do that. But then I'm like, oh, wait,

00:00:26.540 they're doing well, and I want them to do well. Out of superstition, I'm not glancing at a TV screen

00:00:33.880 if the Oilers are on. I know that sounds silly, but knock wood, they're doing good, right? They

00:00:38.660 won in overtime last night, I've been told. Yeah, an amazing goal in overtime. We all have

00:00:45.340 our superstitions in sports, Chris, especially hockey, like last night because we're playing in

00:00:49.440 June, by the way, so it's super hot in my room. I have all these things on under my jersey, and I'm

00:00:54.220 so hot, but I'm like, I can't take my jersey off middle of the game. We're winning, so I was kind

00:00:59.440 of screwed there. Had to keep it on and dive the heat because, like I said, it's in June. It's like

00:01:03.960 30 degrees outside, and we're watching hockey, which, hey, can't complain because most teams are

00:01:08.400 already outgolfing. Yeah, it sounds like a fun night, but I'm not a hockey man, but I tuned in

00:01:12.960 around the second period and saw the score was 3-2. I'm like, oh, yeah, just another loss for another

00:01:17.860 Canadian team, but it looks like you guys pulled it out, so best of luck to the Oilers, but all the

00:01:23.820 Calgary people in my life, they're definitely mad. I know Liam at the Tax Rest Federation, he's just

00:01:29.220 pulling his hair out because he's a Flames fan, and I guess there's no Alberta sympathy for the

00:01:35.660 fellow team, even though you guys are neighbors pretty much. What's your game, Noah? Do you like

00:01:41.100 watching any sports ball entertainment? Basketball is my game, so the Raptors, they're not doing great

00:01:46.540 right now. I've got to wait a few more years for them to even get competitive, but we got the

00:01:51.200 championship in 2019, so I'm still living off of that excitement and happiness. Yeah, that basket

00:01:58.340 they scored to get into the final will still, I mean, that was historic. I almost felt like we were

00:02:03.300 in a simulation. That was so cool. Okay, this is actually not a simulation. We have a show,

00:02:07.180 so let's get it going.

00:02:08.560 Hey, my name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:02:16.940 here on True North. I'm joined now by my friends Isaac and Noah. We're going to talk about news and

00:02:23.940 politics for the next few minutes on our big show. I wanted to start with, this is one of the weirdest

00:02:31.340 clips I've seen come out of politics in a while, and especially coming from a sitting premier,

00:02:39.800 and I don't even want to chat about it first. Let's all watch it together, and then we can respond to

00:02:45.300 it. Just to tee it up, this is coming out of the first minister's meeting. That is typically the name

00:02:51.020 of the meeting that is given to when the premiers gather with the prime minister, and this is Ontario

00:02:57.680 Premier, Doug Ford, chatting about the prime minister to his face. Let's watch.

00:03:04.400 Let me tell you, this, I'm going to be very blunt here. This has been the best meeting we've had in 10

00:03:10.240 years. Simple. Best meeting I've had in seven years, and there was no expectations that the prime minister

00:03:16.800 was going to come out and say, you get that project, you get that project. It was a great discussion.

00:03:21.520 Now, we were all talking. Now it's time to put it into action. All of us are responsible, but I thought it

00:03:29.120 was an incredible meeting. Great communication, great collaboration, and we all walked out of that room

00:03:35.840 united, and that's the most important thing. Now the prime minister is going to go to work, get the legislation

00:03:40.640 passed, and we'll divvy it up. I described him today as Santa Claus. He's coming, and his sled was full of all sorts of

00:03:49.520 all sorts of stuff. Now he's taking off back to the North Pole. He's going to sort it out,

00:03:54.080 and then he's going to call us. The only thing short of Santa Claus is my big belly. I got to loan it to him.

00:04:03.680 So who wants to talk about that first? It started out as the usual lip service, blah, blah, blah,

00:04:09.520 and then it took the weirdest turn, man. Who wants to go first on this?

00:04:13.440 Yeah, I'll say a few things. I just, and obviously there were cameras and all the premiers there,

00:04:17.760 but I just, when he said the exact quote about Santa Claus, I would love to see the shot of Smith

00:04:23.680 and Mo maybe, and just see if they're like in any way surprised at that language. I mean, look,

00:04:31.040 I covered this first minister's meeting. I was watching it as the final press conference was

00:04:35.360 happening, and there was undoubtedly a consensus among the premiers, even from Smith and Mo,

00:04:42.080 because Smith was obviously the number one premier I was watching, to see if she'd 0.98

00:04:45.360 go against the pack, so to speak, and say, hey, it's not as good as we were pretending that it is.

00:04:51.440 But of course, then we saw the very next day, BC Premier David Eby essentially shattered the

00:04:57.840 consensus because they're all like, after the first minister's conference, they're like, oh yeah,

00:05:02.720 it's going to be wonderful. We're all going to do our energy projects. We're all so happy.

00:05:06.960 Carney's supporting us, blah, blah, blah. And then Eby comes out and says, ah, wait a second.

00:05:11.040 You guys aren't building a pipeline in BC. I don't know why you thought you were. And

00:05:15.200 for those who don't know, Premier David Eby wasn't actually at the conference. He was the lone premier

00:05:20.240 who wasn't there because I guess he had some sort of trip already planned to Japan, I think it were,

00:05:24.720 or somewhere in Asia. So he sent his deputy premier, Nikki Sharma, there. But obviously,

00:05:30.480 she didn't portray his thoughts accurately because I'm guessing she didn't tell Smith, actually,

00:05:36.480 you're not building a pipeline through BC because Smith went as far as to outlining the optimal

00:05:43.360 economic scenario for doing that. She said she was talking about the Pathways project and how it

00:05:47.920 could fund itself through essentially increasing their oil exports. So she was just saying this

00:05:55.920 will be a great economic scenario. We get this project going. We'll get an extra million barrels

00:06:00.800 a day, I think she said, through the northwestern coast of BC. She said of BC. So obviously,

00:06:05.600 she thought they were getting a pipeline through BC. And then the very next day, as I said, Eby came

00:06:09.920 out and said, not so fast, Premier Smith. So the consensus, while it might have been rare,

00:06:15.600 was very short lived. Yeah, you might have some things to say about the Santa Claus comments.

00:06:22.400 Yeah, you're just for people to know you're in Ontario, correct?

00:06:27.760 Yes, yes, I'm living through the, you know, Ford nation as we are in this part of the country. But

00:06:34.080 yeah, I just thought it was very sycophantic. It looked like Doug Ford was a lifelong liberal,

00:06:38.880 was a Carney-ite, you know, Rosemary Barton's conscience. You know, it really seemed like he

00:06:45.520 was going all in for the Liberals. And it looks like we know how he voted, despite what he might

00:06:50.800 say in front of a camera and a microphone. But yeah, Doug Ford was really excited, even though

00:06:56.480 Carney really hasn't delivered anything tangible. You know, he has made promises to bring down

00:07:02.480 interprovincial trade barriers. But, you know, really, the key drivers of bringing down these

00:07:08.800 trade barriers are the provinces, are the premiers. We've seen Scott Moe in Saskatchewan,

00:07:13.440 for example, pass legislation to bring down trade barriers. And, you know, it's going to require

00:07:18.720 Doug Ford to pass legislation in the OLA. It's going to require Premier Smith and David Eby to really

00:07:28.000 take action on this. It's going to require Quebec to back down on some of their instincts, you know,

00:07:33.360 on this issue and to really open up their market to other provinces. So it's going to take more than

00:07:41.120 words at a little meeting that, you know, is being done in which Carney wants to, you know, concoct a

00:07:48.800 consensus among the premiers, even if, you know, that sort of consensus is going to be really hard to

00:07:54.240 achieve, even possibly impossible. So, you know, as they say, actions speak louder than words, but

00:08:01.440 it looks like Ford was smitten by the game that Carney was spitting at the conference.

00:08:08.000 Smitten with what he was spitting? That was pretty good.

00:08:12.320 All right. A few things going on here. I've been in the game for a while. Number one, when you,

00:08:19.840 when you change the guard, even if the party is the same, if the dude at the head of it isn't the same

00:08:26.960 person, there's this kind of sense of renewal. Okay. It's like, you know, when you've had to be

00:08:32.640 wearing like dress shoes all day, your feet are killing you just taking them off makes a huge

00:08:39.200 difference. It's like, Oh, I'm a new person. So this is kind of, I think what's happened here. So

00:08:45.680 former prime minister, Justin Trudeau is no longer there showing off his socks and talking nonsense

00:08:53.600 and, you know, putting up barriers and quoting Stefan Guibo and all these other things. Like

00:08:58.640 keep in mind some of the stuff that Trudeau said. Okay. Like he's on the record saying that the only

00:09:03.760 people who were noticing the cost of the carbon tax were people who lived in mansions with indoor

00:09:08.720 swimming pools and three big personal cars. Trudeau was on the record after jetting down to Brazil on

00:09:14.320 taxpayers' money saying that paying his carbon tax was more important than paying the rent and feeding your

00:09:20.960 kids. You get rid of that guy. Any change is going to feel like, Oh my gosh, you're all singing

00:09:28.240 Kumbaya. It's a miracle. Yeah. Not so much. So it was frankly, um, silly to hear Ontario premier,

00:09:36.480 Doug Ford talking like that. He's not new to this. He should know better. He should have kept his cards

00:09:42.400 closer to his chest and not lavish so much praise because guess what just happened? U S president,

00:09:48.720 Donald Trump made good on his threat and has doubled the tariffs on things like aluminum and steel.

00:09:55.040 Folks might remember during the election campaign that the steel workers, the pipe workers around

00:10:01.280 Hamilton were so opposed to Carney's industrial carbon tax, which is coming that they endorsed

00:10:09.280 Pierre Polyev and Ford said nothing, nothing. He did not say one word against Carney or his industrial

00:10:18.160 carbon tax plans. So, uh, pitter patter. I don't know why he wasn't bringing this stuff up nowhere.

00:10:24.080 Isaac. I don't know if you guys have been seeing a lot of the news here, but a lot of those steel

00:10:28.240 manufacturers, especially in Ontario, they're just bracing for the worst. Yeah. And I really sympathize

00:10:34.400 for the, you know, those manufacturers who are going to have to, you know, have, have to deal with

00:10:38.560 the market in which their products are going to cost a lot more to sell to, uh, the biggest market.

00:10:43.200 And, you know, if Mark Carney really was, you know, doing such a fantastic job as Doug Ford,

00:10:48.640 you know, had, uh, portrayed Mark Carney to have been doing, uh, I think, you know, Mark Carney would

00:10:53.600 have in his trip to Washington told, Hey, Mr. Trump, Hey, let's ease off on raising tariffs, you know,

00:10:59.520 for all the, uh, great, uh, media coverage that Carney got on his trip to Washington. Uh,

00:11:04.720 it didn't really accomplish, didn't really accomplish anything. He didn't lower any tariffs.

00:11:09.600 In fact, you know, as we've seen, uh, Trump has raised tariffs on aluminum and steel and, you know,

00:11:15.440 what really, what relief had, uh, Canadian workers really been, uh, granted, you know, it's,

00:11:20.800 we're really going to have to brace for the worst, uh, in our manufacturing and, uh, industry,

00:11:25.200 you know, at the end of the day, even though tariffs is not a good idea for the United States,

00:11:28.800 since they are in such a much larger economy, they are able to sort of hollow out our manufacturing

00:11:35.040 sector. And I'm not an advocate for reciprocal tariffs. Uh, but what I am saying is that, you

00:11:40.160 know, the Carney, uh, government, their foreign affairs ministry needed to do a better job negotiating

00:11:45.360 with, uh, the Trump state department and ensuring that the United States are granted, uh, some of the

00:11:50.560 concessions that they want in order to bring, uh, these tariffs down. You know, he said this first

00:11:55.600 priority when, uh, forming government were, uh, after this election would be to, uh, negotiate

00:12:01.040 a new free trade deal. We haven't seen any updates on that in the news. Uh, I don't know, maybe if,

00:12:06.160 if my, uh, newsfeed has been broken, but, uh, no progress has been made on that front. So, uh,

00:12:12.000 definitely looking forward to more progress before we start calling, uh, Mr. Carney, Santa Claus.

00:12:17.280 Yeah. Oh God, that was gross. So, um, Isaac, we were chatting, we were all chatting before we

00:12:21.520 started rolling and Doug Ford in Ontario, like his debt is $443 billion. They're in a huge deficit

00:12:32.720 right now. I checked our debt clock on the taxpayer website. It's going up like a thousand dollars a

00:12:38.160 second. So what is this? They just elect somebody in a blue tie and it's fine. He gets to quote people

00:12:45.200 like Margaret Thatcher or Ronald Reagan or pretend without having the fiscal responsibility to go

00:12:50.720 along with it. So this is where we're getting frustrated as a taxpayer. Like we're not seeing

00:12:56.000 the actual budget getting balanced. We're not seeing some prudence here. We're just seeing a

00:13:00.400 lot of gushing. I don't know if you're noticing the same thing. Yeah. Gushing more debt onto the,

00:13:05.120 you know, the already, uh, extremely large debt. Uh, the latest budget that they tabled was $14.7

00:13:10.800 billion in deficit. And this is, you know, for a bunch of subsidy programs and whatnot, but what

00:13:16.640 taxpayers really do not need right now are, uh, big subsidies, the big corporations that what they

00:13:21.040 need is tax relief. What they need is regulatory relief. That's the way that you're going to combat

00:13:25.840 this, uh, trade, uh, the trade war that the Trump administration wants to launch. You have to make

00:13:30.560 Canada's economy competitive in spite of the trade restrictions. That means, uh, lowering

00:13:35.920 regulations. That means, uh, in cutting taxes for businesses and cutting taxes for individuals

00:13:41.520 so that we are able to spur the economic activity. But instead of taking that approach, Doug Ford,

00:13:47.360 you know, takes the subsidized and big government, uh, approach the big government approach under a

00:13:52.400 supposedly conservative government. You know, I don't really think that the Kathleen Wynne government,

00:13:56.880 for example, would be taking a much different approach if they, uh, had one in 2018 and in

00:14:02.880 subsequent subsequent years. So, uh, I really, really disappointed. I know a lot of fellow

00:14:07.680 conservatives in Ontario are disappointed with the approach, uh, that the PCs have been taking.

00:14:12.560 I mean, look at the Ontario liberals. I mean, uh, for all the, you know, the weaknesses and,

00:14:17.600 you know, what the wrong that the Ontario liberals have done when they're in government,

00:14:20.960 uh, leader Bonnie Crombie, at least campaign on tax cuts. She at least, uh, campaign on working 0.59

00:14:26.400 with municipalities to cut development charges and, uh, other ways to reduce the burden on taxpayers.

00:14:32.160 Uh, we saw no such promises, uh, from Doug Ford, you know, and just look at how he campaigned in

00:14:36.960 2018. It's really, it's really disappointing. Yeah. I'll just say a few things as an outsider to

00:14:42.240 Ontario and what my opinion was when I was looking at the election, uh, obviously just looking at the

00:14:48.560 options Ontario had, I do think Doug Ford was the best choice, but he's in no way, shape or form,

00:14:54.080 in my opinion, a conservative, certainly not a big C conservative. And this is coming from an Albertan

00:14:59.200 who I would say most Canadians would probably agree that being conservatives. Daniel Smith is,

00:15:04.480 is by far the best conservative premier in the country. Uh, although I am biased in saying that

00:15:08.640 of course as an Albertan, but yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Ontario didn't really have great options.

00:15:14.800 So yeah, to, to, to, to think for Ford is, I mean, he, he's clearly not a conservative

00:15:22.240 fiscally and, uh, I can see how that would be very frustrating for, um, Ontarians. Uh, just quickly

00:15:28.320 though, uh, when I was watching the first ministers meeting, Ford stood out in the sense that he more

00:15:33.840 than any other premier and even more than the prime minister continued in his anti-Trump rhetoric,

00:15:38.240 I think more so than anyone else. Uh, he was really against the United States and I've seen him

00:15:43.360 catch a lot of backlash online for that specifically when he threatened to cut off

00:15:47.600 their electricity. Some, some were saying that's literally an act of war. If you think of that in

00:15:51.920 any other context, cutting off someone's electricity, a country's electricity is certainly an act of war.

00:15:55.920 So, I mean, Ford has taken a real hard line against, uh, Trump and, and the tariffs, which that's

00:16:02.720 another approach where, where a lot of people are going to find disagreement on, but I mean, just,

00:16:07.520 yeah, fiscally, I don't see, see how any Ontarians could support Ford, especially if you're coming

00:16:13.040 from a conservative mindset. I mean, Chris, what do you think as, as a, as a taxpayer advocate?

00:16:17.520 Yeah, it's just to dovetail it back into Alberta here. Uh, Smith is doing a great job standing up to

00:16:22.080 Ottawa. Uh, she's doing a very good job, I think, uh, dealing with us president Donald Trump, um,

00:16:27.520 because of course we got a lower tariff punishment on our, our energy exports. Um, I've never understood

00:16:33.360 the whole concept of let's scream and shout and call people names and then try to negotiate with

00:16:38.640 them. Like, especially if they're an ally, like that's a really dumb way to try to win friends 0.52

00:16:43.280 and influence people. Like maybe don't do that. So she didn't take that route. She was called a

00:16:47.440 traitor for it in the Eastern media, but she took it anyway. So that, that was really good.

00:16:52.000 She's doing other elements here that are also really good, like standing up for firearms owners,

00:16:56.320 standing up for people's own personal freedoms here in Alberta. However, we are running a deficit

00:17:01.920 right now. Our deficit is about $5 billion. So that's not okay. We also have a provincial

00:17:08.960 industrial carbon tax here still in Alberta. That's also not okay. If we look next door to

00:17:14.960 premier Scott Moe, they technically have balanced the budget. It's a really tiny little thin surplus.

00:17:21.280 You can almost see through it, but it's a balanced budget as of right now. And he got rid of

00:17:26.160 all carbon taxes in his province and is very vocal about that. So just a little reminder,

00:17:31.440 we, if we want to have fortress Alberta here, then we have to make sure that we're locked and loaded.

00:17:37.920 I don't know if people, if you guys have watched T2, Terminator 2. So Sarah Connor,

00:17:42.880 super awesome character, right? I've heard people compare Daniel Smith to that. Imagine if it was go

00:17:48.240 time and she goes to that New Mexico, you know, bug out location and she opens up the cache and there's

00:17:54.000 nothing there. There's no weapons. She hasn't had any prep. So we can't be running a loose ship here,

00:18:00.400 fiscally in Alberta. We've got to cut spending at the provincial government level. If we don't balance

00:18:06.240 the budget here, then we're not the example and the beacon for the rest of the country. So just a

00:18:12.000 little amber light of caution. Speaking of budgets, did we want to move on to this motion federally in the

00:18:18.560 House of Commons? Absolutely. Let's do it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot was made out of this.

00:18:24.560 I'll even put my glasses on to read it. So as we know, of course, Andrew Scheer is currently the

00:18:29.360 leader of the opposition in the House of Commons, while Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev does

00:18:33.920 a by-election out here in Alberta running to get a seat back. But what was interesting is that the

00:18:38.960 House actually passed a conservative motion demanding a spring budget from Kearney, spring meaning

00:18:44.960 right now, the minority liberals did suffer that defeat in the House of Commons. And it was because

00:18:50.640 I've been told the whip wasn't doing a good head count. So what has to happen when you're in the

00:18:56.720 House of Commons, okay, you usually have to make sure you have enough people in there to get a motion

00:19:02.720 defeated or a motion passed. So you have to do your own, but that's why they call it a whip. You have to

00:19:08.160 whip them into shape, make sure that they're there on time. It's an old term from the British Parliament.

00:19:12.320 You have to make sure there's enough, you know, backsides and seats. And if you've got a minority, 0.87

00:19:17.280 you have to make sure that you've done enough negotiating as House leader with other parties

00:19:22.880 to make sure that you've got enough people on your side, either from the block or the NDP,

00:19:27.200 whatever has to happen in that situation. So what happened is the Conservatives have this motion on the

00:19:32.960 floor of the House and it passed. And the motion basically called for a budget right now.

00:19:38.160 A few things there. Number one, yes, they could. So the finance department, the permanent government,

00:19:45.440 the bureaucrats in the department, they've got all these numbers. Like they've got constant

00:19:49.920 supercomputers that are turning around. They could have this thing printed up quickly, especially if

00:19:55.120 they kept out all the like political language and just stuck to dollars and cents. Two, this doesn't

00:20:00.960 actually force them to do it. Motions coming from the opposition in this manner, if they're really

00:20:06.080 symbolic. And in this case, they're embarrassing, but it doesn't force them to do it. But I still

00:20:10.240 found it interesting that it passed. Guys, what did you guys think about this?

00:20:13.760 Yeah, you know, as you mentioned, this motion has no force of law. So, you know, unfortunately,

00:20:19.120 it doesn't force the government to table a budget in the spring. However, you know, as you said,

00:20:24.480 you know, it is an important symbolic gesture, you know, in that it shows that parliament's will is for

00:20:31.040 the government to table this, you know, this budget, and they're just not going to comply.

00:20:36.560 They said they're going to table a budget in the fall. That's not good enough. You know,

00:20:39.680 Canadians, you know, at least twice a year, you know, that's the sort of convention that we've

00:20:44.480 developed in the fall, in the spring, we learn about the nation's finances. And, you know,

00:20:48.960 we're being stripped of the opportunity to learn about the nation's finance. What is the government

00:20:54.320 spending look like? What is our, what is our projected deficit? You know, what are the

00:20:58.240 projected deficits in the years going forward? This is really important information for Canadians

00:21:03.360 to know, you know, we got our last update in the fall, you know, I think it's about,

00:21:08.240 it's about time that we know what the government has been getting up to in recent years, especially

00:21:14.080 since when Trudeau was in his last days in government, he spent billions of dollars,

00:21:19.920 authorized billions of dollars in programs and in spending. So it is pertinent that we understand

00:21:25.280 what the government is doing, how that the nation's finances are looking and, you know,

00:21:30.320 for the government to really put forward a plan on how they plan on managing the nation's finances

00:21:36.400 going forward, what this, you know, Carney government's sort of split between the operational

00:21:41.680 budget and the capital budget will look like, even though, you know, if you just smush it all

00:21:45.680 together and you get the total deficit, that's, you know, all you really need to do. But at the end of

00:21:51.040 the day, uh, it's, it's very important, uh, that we receive a budget, uh, annually and, you know,

00:21:56.640 receive those mini budgets alongside to, you know, really fill up the knowledge gap. And, uh,

00:22:00.960 it's quite disappointing that they're not going to be, uh, delivering on this.

00:22:04.640 Isaac. Yeah, I got a, I got a bunch to add. Uh, first of all, I think the bill failed, uh, by two

00:22:12.320 votes. And when I last checked, I believe that four liberals were absent the vote. So I don't know what

00:22:18.320 they were doing. Okay. Five. I don't know what those five liberal MPs were doing, but obviously

00:22:22.560 they lost, uh, their party, the vote by not being there because if they were there and voted liberal,

00:22:26.960 which you would assume they would, uh, the, the, the motion would have passed. Uh, next thing.

00:22:33.040 Yeah. Obviously this wasn't, uh, a confidence motion, like a budget would be. And like, I,

00:22:37.360 I think the upcoming, uh, they're voting on the throne speech, which w which will be a confidence

00:22:41.440 motion from what I've seen. So that, that could, if, if it didn't pass, it would of course throw us

00:22:46.640 into a general election and, and just getting into that, the, the throne speech vote, I,

00:22:51.040 from what I've seen, the, the NDP leader, uh, Don Davies, uh, the interim leader, he's been saying

00:22:55.120 they, they might vote against it. So just, just as a symbolic gesture, that may be suggestive that

00:23:00.560 he might have more of a spine, uh, than Jagmeet Singh, cause he's actually going to vote against the

00:23:04.560 liberals. Although of course the block would be enough to, to, to pass the bill if the, if the

00:23:08.800 liberals can work with them. And just speaking to, speaking to conservative voters quickly,

00:23:13.440 this, this might be, uh, good news because it shows how close it is. The government lost their

00:23:20.000 first vote, even though it's not a binding motion that it is symbolic in that sense. And then just

00:23:25.840 quickly touching on one last thing, Chris, we, we talked about this in the pre-show,

00:23:28.960 just, uh, Franco Terrazzano of the, of the taxpayers federation. He he's been citing some

00:23:34.000 good examples of times when we got a budget world war two, the great depression. I mean,

00:23:38.320 other examples, this is ridiculous. How are we, how are we getting budgets during 0.70

00:23:42.080 world war two, the great depression? These are, these are, uh, historic times of, of, of uncertainty.

00:23:48.480 And now we were not getting a budget for an inexplicable reason, obviously when compared to

00:23:53.120 these, these monumental events. It's like, you know, IDK, right? Who cares? It's the clown car.

00:23:59.920 Um, I will remind people, remember when things were getting really gnarly in 2020 and we were slowly

00:24:06.800 being crushed and locked down. Remember when the federal government tried saying,

00:24:11.440 yeah, no budget and no plans on ever tabling a budget, maybe ever again, we're just going

00:24:17.120 to keep on spending. That's fine. Right? Just get past this motion so we can just spend with

00:24:22.800 absolutely no oversight. They tried doing that in the middle of, even before we knew what this thing

00:24:29.280 was and everybody was still a little bit freaked out. This is early 2020. Yeah. So do not let governments

00:24:36.480 tell you, oh, it's an emergency. Therefore hand me your wallet because your rights and your ability

00:24:43.760 to hold government to account will evaporate like gone. And so this is why, frankly, it's important

00:24:51.680 to insist and tap the desk and say, no, you guys have the math show us because it's our money. The

00:24:59.920 government isn't generating its own wealth and figuring out where to throw money. No,

00:25:05.520 these are our tax dollars. And when they blow their budget and they throw another deficit on top of our

00:25:12.000 federal debt, we're the ones that have to pay the interest charges. I have to stress this,

00:25:18.000 what we're paying in interest on the debt is more than what we spend on the Department of National

00:25:25.520 Defense. Those guys and gals that we want to see, you know, protecting our borders and

00:25:30.880 stopping terrorism and maybe flying fighter jets and stuff. Yeah, that, that line item,

00:25:37.040 we're spending more than that on interest on the debt. Like this is a serious crisis. Some of the

00:25:42.960 numbers that Franco was pulling out was really important. And this is just one. Carney, okay,

00:25:48.080 the former central banker, governor of the Bank of Canada, governor of the Bank of England,

00:25:52.720 probably knows some math. He's going to add $225 billion onto our debt over the next four years.

00:26:02.320 Ridiculous. Worse than what Trudeau was planning to do. So the central banker is now worse with money 0.75

00:26:09.760 than the drama teacher. Like what gives? This guy has a PhD from Oxford in economics. Like pull your

00:26:18.160 suit socks up there, man. All right. So that was important. I think at least symbolically

00:26:23.200 that they said, we expect a budget. And I encourage everybody, including folks, frankly,

00:26:28.000 who support the NDP, who are watching the show. Good on you. Stay on Don Davies. Tell them, yeah,

00:26:34.000 we want to see stuff like this. Keep standing up for people. Stand up for your constituents. That's the

00:26:38.800 only way we hold government to account, folks. All right. This one, I saw this. There's no taxpayer element

00:26:45.200 here, but I wanted to throw it to you guys. There's something going up. I actually don't know. There's

00:26:50.000 an airline. I can't remember which one it was. They had some sort of like celebration, the pride

00:26:54.640 celebration. Was this during work or what is going on here? Who wants to take this? Yeah, I'll get into

00:26:59.200 this. So Air Canada on X essentially was celebrating their first ever LGBTQ flight. And I can't, I don't know

00:27:11.920 what all the letters are. And it's funny in saying that, uh, one of the pilots in the video,

00:27:16.720 because there was a video of this, um, he actually even, he had a quote saying like, uh, I might mess

00:27:23.440 up the letters. Cause he he's like, cause there's so many getting added and he, this was in the video.

00:27:27.280 He was probably around my age. I'm guessing.

00:27:30.480 Anyways. Uh, yeah. Air Canada was celebrating their first ever LGBTQ flight. And it seems that they were the 0.99

00:27:35.840 only ones celebrating that because within a few hours, five or six, maybe they had to turn off the

00:27:40.880 comments on their ex post because at the, at the time there was like four times the amount of comments

00:27:45.760 as the word likes, like 800 comments and 200 likes, something like that. And I'll tell you,

00:27:50.000 I went through every comment, Chris, there were, there were none positive. Uh, it was all just blasting

00:27:54.000 the airline saying, look, this is the, the important factor for flying on an airplane is safety. We don't

00:28:01.120 care who's flying the plane and, and pushing identity politics is not going to help us get there more

00:28:07.520 safely. So, uh, that, that was crazy. Everyone is essentially calling on them to abandon identity

00:28:12.640 politics. And at true north, we've done reporting on DEI in airlines in the past, uh, air Canada being

00:28:20.560 one of them. They, so they mandated employee training on microaggressions, allyship and unconscious bias.

00:28:27.200 They also have a, um, dedicated DEI sourcing manager and they require recruitment from designated

00:28:34.480 groups. So you can imagine what those are, but of course they're not the only airline in Canada with

00:28:38.640 these identity politics. West jet recently implemented, uh, genderless uniforms, and they

00:28:44.720 also had fully, uh, female crew flights. So kind of similar to what air Canada is doing here. I mean, 1.00

00:28:49.840 the list goes on, but what this post showed and what Canadians is reaction to it showed is that

00:28:56.560 people really don't want identity politics in, in airlines. What they want is qualified individuals

00:29:01.600 where merit reigns supreme over, uh, yeah, DEI. Yeah, that's exactly it. Like we don't, we don't

00:29:09.200 care. You're crashing out there, Noah. Are you all right? Yeah, no, I was kind of sleeping. I'm like,

00:29:13.920 oh my God, here's another slew of DEI initiatives. And you know, that, that, that the air Canada DEI

00:29:20.000 offices pushing out like it, like nobody cares at this point. Yeah. And I think, you know, we've really

00:29:24.640 seen this in the decline of a DEI in corporate America, uh, especially after Trump got elected,

00:29:31.440 you really, really seen, uh, corporations, uh, closing down their DEI offices, uh, firing their

00:29:37.040 chief diversity officers and, uh, whatnot. And, you know, it seems like this, uh, you know, transition

00:29:43.120 is happening in Canada, but it's, it's happening a little slower. Uh, if you do recall air Canada used

00:29:48.080 to be a, uh, used to be owned by the government of Canada. Uh, it is not anymore. It's publicly traded.

00:29:53.760 And, uh, if you have air Canada stock, I mean, you're probably like not a happy camper right now,

00:29:58.960 you know, it's not exactly doing, uh, well, uh, and feel for good reason air Canada services, uh,

00:30:05.360 not as great as a lot of people remember it being, uh, before. So maybe they should, uh, you know,

00:30:10.080 focus on, uh, delivering quality service to their clients instead of, uh, focusing on, you know,

00:30:16.400 having a bunch of, uh, 2SLGBTQI people, uh, flying the plane. Honestly, I don't care, uh, 1.00

00:30:24.720 who you're going home with, uh, you know, if you're the pilot, uh, or if you're the person,

00:30:30.880 you know, um, who is the co-pilot, I really don't care. Uh, all I care is that you're competent at your

00:30:37.440 job, uh, that the plane is flown well, uh, and that I got my, uh, cup of water, my, uh, 200 milliliter

00:30:43.840 cup of water, you know, halfway through the flight. Like that's, that's really all I care

00:30:47.280 about. You know, I, I just want that done well. Um, and you know, the fact that they're, you know,

00:30:52.560 sort of celebrating this in the video and they're sort of celebrating this on, uh, like on the flight,

00:30:58.080 you know, to telling, uh, all the client, uh, all the people on the plane, like, yeah, you know,

00:31:02.320 this is a full LG, like, I don't care. Like, I just want to like read, listen to my audio book or

00:31:06.720 read my physical book or, or whatever. I don't want to, you know, deal with that. I don't want to like

00:31:12.000 celebrate that. And another thing, I feel like a lot of people feel the same way. They're just

00:31:15.440 being, uh, having this pushed down their throats. Um, just a little personal anecdote. Uh, a couple

00:31:21.120 days ago, one of my, uh, one of the people close to me said, uh, that, you know, they had to go to

00:31:26.240 work and they were expected to put on like a pride shirt and, uh, or a pride pin. Uh, and my, and, uh,

00:31:32.080 this person said, well, you know, I kind of don't want to do that. Like, you know, it doesn't

00:31:35.840 accord with my values. And, uh, they basically threatened, uh, you know, uh, this person with,

00:31:40.800 uh, being fired saying, you know, this is not, you know, you have to, you have to do this, uh,

00:31:45.120 you have to align with our corporate values. And, you know, usually I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm afraid,

00:31:50.000 you know, that company in specific is not moving away from, uh, the excessive, uh, emphasis on DEI.

00:31:56.000 But, uh, I think more and more Canadians, as they speak out on this, as air Canada sees the

00:32:01.600 negative replies on the, on this, uh, social media posts, uh, they're going to start moving

00:32:05.840 away from this. You just need to, uh, keep, you know, saying what you, uh, think, uh, and don't

00:32:10.720 let the woke mob sort of try to cancel you for, uh, you know, having a perfectly reasonable views.

00:32:16.960 Yeah. Just touching on something quick on your personal anecdote there. I do think that the

00:32:21.040 change starts with the people in that sense that, that being, I was, I was curious when watching the

00:32:24.480 video because assuming the passengers were all randomized and this just was some random flight,

00:32:28.720 like you could have booked it and you're little, do you know, you're on the first LGBTQ all, all LGBTQ

00:32:33.760 flight. I was wondering, I was like, man, I wonder if anyone got up and walked off the plane and said,

00:32:37.680 I'm not participating in this nonsense. I'm just, I'm not participating. Of course you, you,

00:32:42.720 you understand the backlash. I mean, you paid for the flight. You're probably not getting refunded.

00:32:47.920 Yeah. Air Canada is going to tell you, uh, that's not how it works. And you're going to have to find a

00:32:52.160 new flight. So obviously there's a lot of backlash that standing up for your, your morals isn't,

00:32:56.640 isn't as easy as it seems compared to writing a comment on X. But yeah, I mean,

00:33:01.280 I do think that it, it might have to get to that level for this to be completely abolished,

00:33:06.640 but we'll see. We're, we're definitely trending towards that.

00:33:10.560 My things have changed. When I was a little kid, we had to fly me and my family from BC out to Nova

00:33:17.120 Scotia for a family event, which, you know, we probably needed a second mortgage on the house to be 0.95

00:33:20.880 able to do that. Um, they had smoking on the plane then, and there were stairs on the plane and it was

00:33:27.440 just a completely night and day situation. Now I find people are flying a lot more often and they're

00:33:34.000 speaking up a lot more often. So, Hey, if folks have a problem with it, take it up with the company.

00:33:38.720 I will say, I'm so glad the state doesn't own this thing. So this isn't a government circus that

00:33:45.600 we have to deal with. Um, speaking of family, um, thank you for letting me say that word. I just

00:33:50.880 slipped it out there for a second. Sorry about that. True north. Yeah. You got to censor yourself

00:33:55.280 going forward. Yeah. Um, my point is, is that, okay, this is in Ontario. Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:34:01.200 No. Okay. So, so something, okay. In Ontario, they were making, this is a true north exclusive,

00:34:06.960 as far as I understand. Um, in Ontario, they were handing out this stuff in the school talking about

00:34:14.000 what family means. Who wants to take this one away? I was, I was quite surprised by the language

00:34:20.400 that were in, that was in some of the documents here. How old were the kids and where did this

00:34:24.960 happen? Yeah. So, uh, at the water, Waterloo region, uh, district school board, uh, staff were

00:34:30.720 basically being briefed. Uh, this is a staff at a high school. They're being briefed on, uh, uh,

00:34:35.840 what is, uh, whiteness. It's basically a sensitivity training, uh, for these, uh, teachers,

00:34:40.720 DEI sensitive, uh, sensitivity training. And, uh, they were being taught what whiteness is and

00:34:45.840 how to not, uh, offend, uh, their students of minority, uh, descend, you know, black,

00:34:50.720 their black students or, or, or whoever. And, uh, in this unpacking whiteness seminar, uh, one, the, 0.87

00:34:57.280 the, uh, one of, one of the materials they quoted from, uh, someone named Laura May Lindo. Now,

00:35:04.240 Laura May Lindo used to be an MPP in the Ontario legislature for the NDP from 2018 to 2023 before 0.97

00:35:11.280 she resigned to take up a spot at the University of Waterloo. But, uh, in a material from Laura May

00:35:17.520 Lindo, they basically state that quote, uh, biases are the socialized teachings of, uh, white culture.

00:35:23.520 And one of these, uh, sort of biases is the assumption that people have families and, uh,

00:35:28.320 instead of, you know, assuming that people have families and saying the word family, uh, you

00:35:32.880 shouldn't, you shouldn't assume that. In fact, saying the word family is identified as harmful,

00:35:37.440 uh, by our racialized students and quote, uh, you know, apparently, uh, family implies values,

00:35:45.040 uh, positions of male authority and hierarchy, a nuclear family structure, not the same for everyone.

00:35:50.640 Uh, you know, so apparently saying family is offensive, uh, to, uh, black people. And,

00:35:56.480 you know, this is something I take personal offense to because, you know, I, I'm half Jamaican,

00:36:00.640 half Guyanese, you know, uh, I don't view myself as being oppressed in Canada. Canada

00:36:05.680 has afforded me and my family, uh, my friends, uh, very great opportunities. And I wouldn't want to

00:36:10.880 have been, uh, born in any other country. And I wouldn't say that, you know, I have a family,

00:36:15.440 I have a mom and my dad and, uh, three other siblings, uh, you know, it's not like the concept

00:36:20.640 of family is foreign to myself and, uh, my friends and my family. Uh, so for, uh, these,

00:36:27.120 you know, DEI activists, these radical critical race, there is the basically assert that, uh,

00:36:32.800 you know, black people are sort of unfamiliar or even offended by the concept of family is, 0.81

00:36:36.720 you know, quite offensive is quite racist is sort of, you know, holding, you know, 0.73

00:36:40.880 black people to like a very low, uh, sort of infantile, not even in it's below infantile standard. 0.94

00:36:46.960 It's, it's absolutely, it's actually kind of cruel, uh, you know, to really assume that about black 0.73

00:36:52.080 people and to, you know, think that we're so sensitive, you know, to assume that, you know,

00:36:56.000 someone who maybe doesn't have, you know, both parents in the household is going to be offended

00:36:59.840 by the world word family. It's utterly, uh, ridiculous. And, and, you know, there's more 0.98

00:37:04.560 and more slides, uh, to this sort of effect, but, uh, the idea that whiteness could sort of be

00:37:09.440 identified by a certain positive characteristics and to assume that black people are not supposed to

00:37:15.280 exhibit these positive characteristics is quite frankly racist. I don't know. How do you guys view this?

00:37:21.200 Yeah. I always thought family was like the most important thing in my life, but little did I know

00:37:28.160 that just because I'm white, uh, I thought it was just cause how I rate, how I was raised, how, how

00:37:32.000 I came up the values that my family instilled in me, but no, it's just cause I'm white. So that's my bad.

00:37:38.960 But I mean, this is ridiculous. This is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing as a society. 0.88

00:37:44.800 It's insane. Look, there, there are clear data on this, having a close family, having supports you

00:37:49.920 can lean on, like, this is going to reduce crime, going to reduce drug use, going to reduce all the

00:37:53.920 bad things you want to take away in society through a strong family. And, and also, uh,

00:37:59.360 in a more holistic perspective, we are straying away from family. We look at the birth rates in

00:38:04.400 Canada, one of the lowest in the world. I mean, this is, as I said, the exact opposite of what we

00:38:08.960 should be doing. We should be emphasizing the importance of family talk, talking about how to,

00:38:13.040 how to build a family, not how to stray away from a family. I mean, I, I can't believe this is what,

00:38:17.840 what, what, what we've become as a society. This is again, the exact opposite of what reality should

00:38:23.440 be. And in my opinion, I mean, did you agree, Chris? Yeah. A few things here. I'm going to keep

00:38:28.560 my Taxpayers Federation hat on for the first part, and then I'll just give you my opinion on the second

00:38:32.960 part. Uh, first off, um, I just want to let people know in Ontario that you guys should be pushing for

00:38:39.920 the ability to recall a school board. So this doesn't work all the time. And I know it's not a panacea,

00:38:46.400 but here in Alberta, we have recall legislation at the provincial level. So at our legislature.

00:38:53.680 So if an MLA is totally screwing up his or her job, we can fire them in between elections. They

00:39:00.360 don't get to just sit there until the next election. Okay. The same thing exists at the

00:39:06.060 municipal level. Now, again, really high threshold. Premier Daniel Smith just lowered the threshold,

00:39:11.220 which is good. Right. But the mechanism is there so that if something totally outrageous is happening,

00:39:18.420 you can be like, yeah, no, you're out of here. We also have it at the school board level.

00:39:24.100 Okay. And the reason why this matters is because A, our kids are going to these government institutions.

00:39:31.140 They're our kids. Okay. Not the government's kids. And our taxes are paying for this. So taxes are paying

00:39:40.820 for that school. Taxes are paying for the school board. Taxes are taken by force from the families

00:39:49.220 in that area. So if the families in that area, whatever construction that happens to be,

00:39:56.580 have a problem with this, they should have the ability to fire people who are in charge of making

00:40:04.080 decisions like this. So then ultimately it does come back to the family. It does come back to the

00:40:10.080 individual. This leads me to my second point within the taxpayer federation frame. One of the things

00:40:17.160 that fans of big government and more government and more control and more socialism and more taxes,

00:40:24.900 one of the things those folks like to do is to attack institutions that make people independent

00:40:32.120 and strong that are apart from government. They want mommy government and daddy government,

00:40:38.300 them to be in charge of you. They want to make the decisions. They want to take your money. 0.73

00:40:45.060 They want to decide where your kid goes to school, what your kid learns at school, what kind of car you

00:40:49.420 can drive, name it. And one of the reasons why they do this and how they do this is they go after

00:40:54.760 things like family, which of course anyone with a shred of common sense knows can be any construction

00:41:01.800 of people who are related to each other and or love each other and support each other financially,

00:41:07.900 emotionally, spiritually, what have you within a form of household. Like people refer to their

00:41:13.860 close tight-knit friends as family in some cases. It can be your grandma raising you. Frankly,

00:41:19.840 it's none of the government's business what form of family you have. So that's the taxpayer federation

00:41:27.360 element here of if you want lower taxes, less waste, and accountable government, there are fights

00:41:33.360 here where you have to really keep an eye on this and ask yourself questions like, why is this person

00:41:38.840 doing this? To what end? What is their ultimate goal? It's not just to make people angry. It's to

00:41:45.920 actually have a purpose here. And so I would encourage people to keep that in mind that you

00:41:50.900 guys should have control, more control over your school boards in Ontario. I would push for that.

00:41:56.020 Push for school choice so that the funding follows the kid and you guys can get charter schools going

00:42:01.740 on there in Ontario, okay, in a bigger way. And push for the ability to recall people at school boards.

00:42:07.920 Now is just kind of a little story that I have. And it's from a Gen X perspective.

00:42:12.860 I grew up in the 80s. I would encourage people who really truly value diversity, okay? Go back and

00:42:22.860 watch TV shows from the 80s. Seriously. Watch Different Strokes. Watch Family Ties. Watch Full House.

00:42:32.080 Watch Star Trek The Next Generation. You will see everyone represented there all the time,

00:42:37.920 including Combinations of Family. Watch Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Watch all of these shows.

00:42:43.340 Cosby Show.

00:42:43.900 Thank you. The Cosby Show. Okay? Watch these shows. Because there's sometimes I'll have some of my

00:42:50.140 kids' friends over and I'll have something like this playing and they'll be, they're shocked at the

00:42:56.240 diversity and the love and understanding and the, you know, responsibility and we're all going to help

00:43:01.420 each other out. All of those narratives which were there and people weren't freaking out about them

00:43:06.840 back then. I don't know why it seems to be, again, getting back to government and it's interesting,

00:43:12.920 she's a former provincial parliament, uh, parliamentarian, why it is now that some of

00:43:17.800 these folks are just constantly trying to stoke division. My spidey sense tells me because they

00:43:22.920 want the ability to have more tax and control over you guys. Am I just drinking the Kool-Aid here,

00:43:27.720 guys? No, I think you're absolutely right. I think, you know, look during the 1960s, uh, there was

00:43:34.520 extremely, extremely valid reasons for black people to rise up and, you know, state the injustices that 0.94

00:43:41.260 were happening, but there was a sort of establishment that was created in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and it sort of

00:43:47.900 lived on and sort of passed its usefulness and they sort of pivoted, uh, to a new fight. It isn't a fight

00:43:54.380 for, uh, legal equality. It isn't a fight against racism. It's a fight for anti-racism. It's a fight

00:44:01.320 for, uh, legal preferences, uh, for minorities. It's really, uh, turned into sort of a perversive,

00:44:07.340 uh, you know, a group of people who, you know, really don't care about, uh, you know, anti-discrimination.

00:44:13.460 They really care about, you know, getting one sort of racial group ahead of another and sort of,

00:44:19.280 uh, you know, looking at some, some of the problems of these racial groups and pawning off

00:44:23.800 responsibility from these individuals and from these families and towards the government at the

00:44:28.320 end of the day, uh, having a free society where the individual, uh, is, you know, emphasized also

00:44:34.240 does mean that the individual has to bear that responsibility. And instead of, uh, that sort of

00:44:39.300 vision for society, they want one where the government has a lot more control over the lives

00:44:43.480 of certain individuals so that they can get sort of certain, uh, racial outcomes. And this results

00:44:49.020 in sort of looking at, uh, data, uh, for family formation on different races and seeing that

00:44:54.980 black people have a problem when it comes to, uh, uh, multi-parent, uh, households. Uh, a lot of 1.00

00:45:01.960 black people are raised in single parent households. And instead of trying to communicate some sort of 0.99

00:45:06.740 strategies, uh, that black people can, uh, utilize to, uh, have more sustainable family structures to

00:45:12.440 have both parents in the household, uh, which does lead to many outcomes. It leads to a lower rate of

00:45:18.020 incarceration for children. Uh, it leads to higher, uh, better economic outcomes for children.

00:45:22.600 It leads to children to actually be, uh, you know, uh, scoring higher in intelligence metrics.

00:45:28.040 Uh, there's all these, uh, benefits to having both parents in the household. And instead of

00:45:32.180 trying to, you know, communicate those strategies, they instead say, well, actually, uh, you know,

00:45:37.200 having, uh, you know, one parent in the household is actually, you know, a good thing, you know, or actually,

00:45:42.180 you know, we should, uh, you know, condemn people who suggest that having, uh, two parents in the

00:45:47.100 household is a good thing. It's absolutely, uh, ridiculous. Uh, it is counterproductive. Uh, 0.95

00:45:52.660 I think it is, uh, insidious, uh, in some respect, and it's something that I'm always going to fight

00:45:58.080 against. And, uh, I think a lot of people are always going to fight against, uh, uh, you know,

00:46:02.140 these absolutely, uh, radical, uh, anti-racist activists that still have a lot of power in Canadian

00:46:07.920 society, even though, uh, their power looks to be diminishing.

00:46:11.100 So, Isaac. Yeah, uh, I guess I can just taking it to the government, uh, perspective. I, I said

00:46:19.040 family was the most important thing to me, which may have been slightly incorrect because I think

00:46:23.520 what even eclipses that is freedom. And what I've seen in the other over the last few years here is

00:46:30.720 there really seems to be two groups of people, those who value freedom and those who want the

00:46:35.500 government to control their lives, which to me is just shocking. How could, and maybe it's not as

00:46:40.860 conscious as that. It's just some sort of subconscious thing where, where it comes down

00:46:45.860 to work or whatever, but I just don't understand how, how you could reach that conclusion that

00:46:50.100 really you want the government to have more control of your lives. You, you don't want, you

00:46:55.060 don't want freedom over, over everything. Like it just, I I've never been able to wrap my head

00:46:59.140 around that and maybe some people can, but certainly I can't. And, and yeah, I, everything I do in

00:47:05.980 my life is to gain more freedom, not, not less. So I really don't understand that, that ideology.

00:47:11.820 I'll finish off with this exact point and you're both right. And I sincerely appreciate your input

00:47:16.880 on this because it's just one of those things that really gets to people and it can kind of

00:47:21.540 erode your confidence in things like family and things like having your own independence and your

00:47:25.740 own freedom. And I just want to encourage people a bit of a blue pill here. Um, just make sure that you

00:47:31.060 defend your freedom. Okay. And if you don't have it, demand it. And in the case of Ontario,

00:47:35.820 if you guys don't like what school boards are doing and what they're teaching your kid,

00:47:40.840 insist, call up premier Doug Ford and say, we need to change how we function as a government here with

00:47:47.840 schools. We want recall legislation at the school board level in this case. So parents, people who have

00:47:55.300 kids, adults, responsible adults and guardians can make choices for their own kid and have the freedom

00:48:02.100 to do that. To your point exactly, Isaac, I will point this out. Some folks, I don't know, for whatever

00:48:08.820 reason, do prefer more control. They prefer kind of group control, all of that understood. They're free.

00:48:18.240 I'm not kidding to join a collective. Like seriously, they, there are, there are little

00:48:24.180 towns across Canada where they kind of work in co-op. It's more of a collective, you know, village

00:48:30.400 council decides on things. Okay. Like what they're going to grow for a crop this year. Like you can

00:48:35.780 choose to go live your life that way. If they want to rule that only e-bikes are allowed downtown and

00:48:42.120 they're going to ban gas, they, they can do stuff like that. Go figure it out. Go live that way if you

00:48:48.200 choose to. Stop inflicting it on other people. Why would you inflict your choices on other people in this

00:48:55.060 manner? And so I, again, because it winds up taking away your freedom and your money, getting it back

00:49:01.580 quickly to taxpayers to sign off here. About half of our incomes now, folks, are going to various levels of

00:49:08.720 government, including school boards like this one in Ontario. Okay. About half. Do this project.

00:49:16.300 Imagine yourself. Okay. If it's safe to do so and you're not driving, close your eyes, picture what

00:49:21.420 lands in your bank account if you're on salary every two weeks. Okay. People would say a paycheck, but most

00:49:26.200 of it's electronic now. Every two weeks. Double it. What could you do with that money? Could you afford

00:49:34.700 more nutritious food? Could you afford to maybe send your kid to a private school? Could you get

00:49:39.120 them that those lessons they've always wanted? Could you save up for a house? Double that money

00:49:43.500 that lands into your account every two weeks. That's how much the government is taking from you

00:49:48.360 in taxes. Okay. And doing stuff like this with it. So this is why we fight here at the Canadian

00:49:54.440 Taxpayers Federation. Guys, I sincerely appreciate your contributions today to the show. It's been a really

00:49:59.280 good show. Folks, thank you so much for listening and for watching. If you have any comments, please

00:50:04.520 leave them underneath this video. And remember, everything is off the record.

00:50:14.620 Chris, I was just featuring someone calling Ford and saying, hey, Ford, I saw what you said about

00:50:19.440 Carney being Santa Claus. Maybe you could be Santa Claus too. Recall legislation for municipalities,

00:50:24.180 recall legislation for the province, recall legislation for the school boards. Everyone gets recall

00:50:28.700 legislation. Yeah. I think instead of governing during the November and December months, he should

00:50:35.420 just do a cross province tour of him as Santa Claus. Go to all the significant shopping malls in the

00:50:41.240 province and just have the kids come up on his lap. I think he'd be really good at that. I don't

00:50:47.840 know about the whole pre-marrying thing, but Santa Claus, yeah. I definitely see that in his career

00:50:53.960 prospects. He can deliver freedom to the good boys and girls.

00:50:56.760 Oh, well, no. It actually will say, each box, each present will say $10,000 a day. Here you go,

00:51:03.480 child. Here, you want another? Here, here. I'll give you another 10,000. There, there you go.

00:51:09.120 It's 28,000, but yeah.

00:51:10.540 28,000.

00:51:11.240 All right. That was really good, you guys.

00:51:14.720 I believe.

00:51:20.840 Two, three, who were?

00:51:25.440 Two, two, three.

00:51:26.660 Two, two. 0.97

00:51:29.720 One, two.

Off the Record - June 07, 2025

Ford gushes over Carney as pipeline plans crumble

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