Off the Record - Foreigners voting “compliant with Liberal Party’s rules”

00:00:00.000 are you dying there candace you know i'm not dying it's just i think like the baby is somehow

00:00:05.000 like sitting on my i don't even know what it is but it sounds like i'm losing my voice and my

00:00:09.920 voice sounded like this for like a month now i'm not actually losing my voice i just have a new

00:00:14.660 voice it's like the weirdest your baby just like grabbing your vocal cord somehow from uh down

00:00:19.520 there i don't know seriously i it this hasn't happened with any of my other pregnancies so i

00:00:24.840 i don't have any explanation but i just i just have like a raspy sounding voice now i sound like

00:00:30.280 one of those like i i don't know like i'm like a smoker or like one of those like sue like soothing

00:00:36.080 like yoga you know like yoga podcasts or like meditation podcasts i must say i'm not actually

00:00:41.880 very familiar with the dolls and tones of the yoga meditation podcasters this is new harrison are you

00:00:48.380 no i'm gonna say this this is new to me as well never heard uh well never heard of that happening

00:00:55.360 and also no i i haven't listened to any of the yoga yoga instructors soothing voices but they're always

00:01:02.500 they're always so calm and so like subdued and maybe a little raspy i don't know i it's amazing how

00:01:09.700 like there is a type of voice in different media like npr voice there's like a very distinctive public

00:01:15.700 broadcaster voice that's different than other broadcaster voices well andrew you have like the

00:01:21.400 best talk radio voice like like your voice was like i don't know if you like made your voice to

00:01:25.860 sound that way or if you were like 15 years old and you just like sounded like a radio announcer

00:01:29.840 in the playground but like it gives me like sports announcer uh sports announcer vibes that's funny

00:01:35.080 because you you know very little about sports andrew i know i was always so jealous there was a guy i

00:01:40.360 worked with when i i was in radio who had like a just a perfect one and it was not fake but it was

00:01:46.740 just that really deep baritone everything he said sounded like he was a calling a sports game and i was

00:01:53.580 always so jealous so you're very kind no i think i think you have the perfect radio voice so you picked

00:01:59.720 the right profession andrew okay guys let's get this started

00:02:03.480 hi everyone thank you so much for tuning into the podcast this is off the record i always introduce

00:02:16.820 my guests which is andrew lawton host of the andrew lawton show and harrison faulkner host of race

00:02:21.360 showed i don't know that i always introduce myself so i'm candace malcolm i'm the founder of true north and

00:02:25.620 i'm the host of the candace malcolm show as well and we were just talking about how my voice is raspy

00:02:31.420 and i'm kind of losing it so forgive me um if i have to take breaks to to drink water or just try to

00:02:36.000 sit upright i'm i you can't see obviously from this uh angle but i'm pretty heavily pregnant over here and

00:02:42.120 i think it must somehow be related because my voice has just changed but anyways we've got a great show

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00:03:01.000 you never miss an episode never miss a story so uh i guess before we get into it all i just want to

00:03:07.840 wish you both um a happy march break season uh that's what we heard over and over again over the

00:03:14.100 weekend last weekend and also apparently happy transgender day of visibility because it wasn't it 1.00

00:03:20.100 wasn't just easter it this is a weird thing and andrew i know you we've talked about before about

00:03:24.260 how there's like a war on christmas and no one wants to say merry christmas anymore but i i didn't

00:03:29.340 remember it spilling into easter i was kind of surprised by how many times i heard people say happy

00:03:35.000 holidays to me over easter or happy you'll be saw a lot on social media happy march break or happy march

00:03:41.820 holiday season is this a new thing or or has this always been the case i don't know i i think it's new

00:03:48.300 i mean easter always bounces around a bit sometimes it's a bit earlier other times it's a bit later so

00:03:53.580 maybe just when easter falls in march it just gets consumed by this so-called march holiday season but

00:04:00.260 no you're right i did notice a lot more of the genericization of the well first off i've never

00:04:06.300 heard of an easter season before it's always just easter there's good friday there's easter sunday and

00:04:12.100 then there's kind of easter monday which is not really a real thing but that's it like the christmas

00:04:16.400 season is a thing and that's sort of why that becomes consumed by the broader holidays but

00:04:21.280 yeah the easter season i i've never heard of until this year well do you know what it's it's almost

00:04:26.060 like they're trying to make the holiday less religion religious but they make it more because

00:04:30.400 of course it is holy week right it starts well it starts with uh lent and it starts with um uh

00:04:35.960 it should be a season but it never has it is you know it's it's a whole week it's palm sunday and

00:04:40.580 then it goes on throughout the week so they make it made it feel more religious to me when people

00:04:44.840 kept saying happy easter season um but obviously easter is a very important day for christians

00:04:51.340 and it's it's it's a very solemn sort of important holiday and so it just felt like a real slap in the

00:04:57.400 face when we had joe biden the president of the u.s coming out and declaring easter to be trans

00:05:04.160 day of visibility i think this is one of those examples where the left is just so incredibly out

00:05:09.820 of touch they don't recognize how bad of an issue this is and how much just regular people disagree

00:05:14.740 with it like you know again like bumping into parents uh at my kid's school or you dad's like

00:05:21.200 on the playground and everyone was making fun of this everyone was joking about it but how tone deaf

00:05:26.120 it was uh and ridiculous it was for the president to to call easter transgender day it's like combining

00:05:32.160 the two worst aspects which is like canceling the foundations of our civilization christianity

00:05:37.220 and pushing this trans agenda down our throats uh harrison what what are your thoughts on this

00:05:43.460 well i found it to be intentionally provocative i mean i think that the reality is like we can

00:05:49.680 pretend as though it was just a coincidence and they didn't really think about how this would impact

00:05:54.160 christians and how this would come across or we can really just kind of cut to the chase and be

00:05:58.160 honest here these are not idiots who are running the white house and this is also done by justin

00:06:03.520 trudeau he also made a transgender day of visibility post on easter both supposedly catholics who made

00:06:10.000 these proclamations on easter and again i don't think that this is just a coincidence uh when it

00:06:16.360 falls on easter you can maybe forget about transgender day of visibility but instead they have to be 1.00

00:06:23.660 provocative they have to trigger this response out of christians and of course it is an attack

00:06:28.100 on christianity to do this you are conflating easter the most important day in the christian

00:06:32.500 calendar with something that goes completely contrary to christian values and christian beliefs

00:06:38.260 again united canada in particular is a christian country that's just not a really debatable fact

00:06:44.320 the head of our country is also the head of the uh the church of england so it is a christian country

00:06:49.260 and for the prime minister to do this and for the president to do this in the united states

00:06:52.740 i think it's intentionally provocative and designed to get a response out of people

00:06:56.240 yeah it's interesting just even how things have changed because i remember a few years ago

00:07:00.480 trudeau put out a pretty religious uh statement on easter talking about what christians believe

00:07:06.480 not necessarily his faith but just putting it forward because the reality is canada is a very

00:07:11.860 diverse country and the politicians sort of recognize and acknowledge religious holidays for

00:07:17.540 all religions so we see you know we hear the prime minister talk about you know the importance of

00:07:22.180 eid or ramadan you talk about jewish holidays uh indian holidays like all hindu holidays i mean you

00:07:28.540 know all kinds of holidays and at one point he would acknowledge christians in that mix and now it

00:07:33.160 doesn't seem like he did i didn't see anything uh about easter from our prime minister but we did we

00:07:39.760 did see a lot of sort of woke wokeism taking over uh here in canada so a church in calgary i mean i don't

00:07:47.340 know if you can really consider uh unitarian churches to be churches they decided to just you

00:07:52.840 know combine easter church service with a creepy cringy groomer drag show um so that's that's

00:08:01.740 interesting that that happened and uh we also had calgary mayor jody gonduk uh tweet about i don't know

00:08:09.280 something about transgender day of visibility and how horrible daniel smith is uh implied in that

00:08:14.320 in in in the body of the tweet there but really you know just again kind of rubbing it in our faith

00:08:21.380 and trying to make east like look you can talk about trans other days right it's like christians

00:08:26.100 have this like one weekend where it is a very important very solemn holiday and it seems like

00:08:32.040 they're really going out of their way to ram this down our throat and andrew what what's your thought

00:08:36.340 well so i i actually i disagree with some of this because like with what you guys have said just

00:08:43.220 because may march 31st is the day of international transgender day of visibility and it has been

00:08:48.300 every year joe biden has proclaimed it every year easter bounces around if they fall on the same day

00:08:54.060 then you're not really if you're going to observe both in a position where you can pick and choose

00:09:00.320 when to do it i think the bigger question is why is this day itself attracting so much of this

00:09:06.940 proclamationing this proclaiming in the first place because look if you've decided that you're going to

00:09:12.700 do this then yeah if it's march 31st you make your proclamation that day i think the bigger issue is

00:09:17.780 that we've seen like we talked about this last summer at true north pride day used to be a day and

00:09:22.940 then it was pride week and then it was pride month and then the canadian government last year

00:09:26.600 was observing pride season which started in june and went all the way or so i think it started in

00:09:32.460 may actually and went all the way to september so we had basically uh three four months of pride

00:09:38.400 festivities and then you also have outside of that individual days like transgender day of visibility

00:09:44.960 and there are other days there was like uh there was some asexual awareness day that i learned of

00:09:50.280 recently that are also scattered throughout the year and i think in general there is just this uh

00:09:56.440 oversaturation of observance days in the same way that there is an oversaturation of colored ribbons

00:10:02.180 and of all of these different campaigns and i i think that it ends up becoming this battle of

00:10:07.720 performative uh recognition and declarations which are inevitably going to lead to these sorts of

00:10:13.860 things so i i don't really care about the day so much because that is just a an unfortunate

00:10:18.820 accident of timing but i do have an issue with this need to perform and virtue signal on every single

00:10:26.660 one of these days that's been declared by someone on twitter at some point well so someone was passing

00:10:32.200 this around at one point it ended up in my twitter uh feed but someone had taken all of the holidays

00:10:36.980 that they had created in british columbia and put it in a calendar and it was like the most insane

00:10:43.120 thing it was like every single day was like lesbian day of like remembrance or i mean it was non-stop

00:10:50.880 it was just like every single day was something half of them were to do with hating canada half them

00:10:55.440 were to do with celebrating other countries that weren't canada uh and then of course recently there was

00:10:59.780 a vote uh to to to name i think it was november christian heritage month in canada and i got defeated

00:11:05.620 uh so so we we don't we don't we're not willing to celebrate the actual heritage and and and history of

00:11:11.460 our own country uh but we're willing to celebrate absolutely every other thing which i think i think

00:11:15.900 you make a really good point andrew harrison any any more thoughts on this well yes i would just say

00:11:21.280 that if for example transgender day of visibility fell on the same day as eid or uh or any other for

00:11:28.780 example muslim holiday or it does we're in the middle of ramadan ramadan right so again if this if

00:11:36.000 this were if this were on the most important day if it was a one day thing and it happened on the

00:11:40.080 exact same day as a muslim holiday i don't think that you would see all of these proclamations i

00:11:45.200 just i genuinely don't i think that this is an idea that is taking place in all of these western

00:11:50.380 countries that christian holidays the most important holiday can be watered down it can be described as

00:11:56.000 march march you know holiday season it can be described as whatever you want it to be described

00:12:00.740 as but to give christians a day that is that you know can just be unobstructed by all of this woke

00:12:08.480 virtue signaling is just not going to happen in this country i don't think that it would happen

00:12:12.340 and i think that we've allowed it to happen and that's a big problem andrew maybe you'll remember

00:12:17.180 this didn't justin trudeau have a pair of socks that were like both like muslim moons and also

00:12:22.600 rainbows like gay pride rainbow socks and it was like the the biggest case of like cognitive

00:12:27.060 dissidence it's like does he understand that these two symbols just don't really go hand in hand but

00:12:33.280 he was like showing them off at one point i think i remember something yeah i'm true yeah i think it was

00:12:37.340 like they were i'm trying to remember if it was too sad if it was that he wore ramadan socks during

00:12:41.560 pride pride socks during ramadan or if they were like pride ramadan socks but i i remember that

00:12:46.440 story yeah there was it was one of the many socks in the trudeau sock collection yeah yeah those those

00:12:51.800 were back in the early days of the trudeau government but to me it was really they were halal

00:12:55.180 socks sean just uh share the link in our uh our channel here muslim hipster socks that mclean wrote

00:13:00.440 about this was the beginning of the end of mclean's hard-hitting political coverage

00:13:04.920 there it is yeah he he wore uh during pride socks that said eid mubarak on them so i i don't know

00:13:11.760 if pride overlapped with ramadan that year or if he just you know had was washing his pride socks so

00:13:16.460 he put on the eid mubarak socks i'm not sure yeah i just remember the comments uh were full of muslims

00:13:22.060 who very very uh wholeheartedly disagreed with this uh merging of the two trends happening at once so

00:13:28.660 yeah to your point i mean harrison so ramadan is underway right now and trudeau had said nothing

00:13:37.060 on good friday but had on the thursday prior posted something about ramadan so like this is the

00:13:43.600 problem i mean i'm kind of at the beginning about anything and then you can't be criticized for missing

00:13:47.800 stuff yeah and no video he didn't make a video for easter on sunday and i found that to be very

00:13:54.520 strange as well because trudeau makes videos for every every single you know pride month every

00:13:59.340 single holiday but not for easter which i found to be very surprising yeah which why i i think it

00:14:04.800 was pretty refreshing when i went on to twitter over the weekend and i saw there was a post from

00:14:09.140 pier poliev saying he has risen happy easter uh which is is is just a sort of very basic part of

00:14:15.280 easter celebrations but it seems bold and and almost provocative uh for a politician to actually

00:14:21.440 acknowledge a christian holiday these days um i think we have a video of what pier poliev posted

00:14:26.520 over the weekend he has risen today christians celebrate the resurrection of our lord and savior

00:14:33.320 jesus christ through his sacrifice he paid the ultimate price for our sins and overcame the power

00:14:40.320 of death itself so that we could rejoice in his promise of everlasting life the joy of easter unites

00:14:47.580 all canadians it reminds us that although we face hardship we have the promise of a new beginning

00:14:53.500 of redemption and of the hope of eternal life as families come together to attend church services

00:15:01.460 paint easter eggs and enjoy some much needed rest may you be refreshed and restored in the spirit

00:15:09.700 of easter season happy easter what a nice message and i i personally really appreciated that it wasn't

00:15:18.560 just pier poliev we had saskatchewan premier scott moe putting out a message just saying he has risen

00:15:24.840 happy easter saskatchewan we had new brunswick premier uh blaine higgs saying may the miracle of

00:15:29.800 easter renew your faith strengthen your spirit fill your heart with gratitude and praise

00:15:33.560 marsh and i wish you a joyous and blessed easter and danielle smith premier of alberta she wrote on

00:15:39.680 good friday good friday reminds christians of the selfless sacrifice of jesus christ and the

00:15:44.720 boundless love that he demonstrated for humanity to all albertans observing the easter holiday i hope

00:15:50.200 you may connect with your faith families and communities have a blessed good friday so like

00:15:55.920 we were saying you know politicians do this for every faith in every religion and every group i don't

00:16:00.920 know if it's pandering but to me it seemed like something that i hadn't quite seen before in recent

00:16:05.960 times which is conservatives in canada sort of just being uh like unafraid to post a message that

00:16:13.280 that would have been seen as just very normal and very important like 50 years ago uh but you know in

00:16:18.920 our inner sort of post-modern post-national civilization and culture right now it just seems

00:16:24.540 like it's almost like taboo so i see this as almost like counter-cultural and i was i was proud that the

00:16:28.900 conservatives uh were putting out these messages of faith uh what what's your take on all this andrew

00:16:34.720 i think you're right i mean there certainly is something about how there is a new counterculture

00:16:41.020 and i and i do wonder if certainly in numbers we we see that religion overall is in decline christianity

00:16:47.540 is in decline but when you break down those numbers and you look at where it is growing it's actually

00:16:52.380 quite noteworthy that this is actually uh the really traditional denominations and traditional churches

00:16:59.520 that are seeing growth and i actually think that's incredibly valuable to note so there does

00:17:04.600 seem to be even among younger people a bit of a generational shift where things that even five

00:17:08.640 years ago were seen as oh that's antiquated no one does that anymore are starting to have a bit of a

00:17:13.960 return yeah i mean i went to a church service on sunday it was a sunlight one so it was a 6 a.m

00:17:19.980 service and then the sun came up just before seven it was amazing there were hundreds of people and

00:17:24.700 you know i'm an anglican and we usually have a hard time getting more than like 30 or 40 people

00:17:29.340 out to a church uh but but there was hundreds hundreds of people everyone was out and it was

00:17:34.380 just it was it was beautiful and amazing to see uh so i i feel like there is some kind of a resurgence

00:17:39.440 around faith happening in this moment harrison do you see and do you see it among sort of younger

00:17:44.380 people in your generation gen zers yeah i think that more young canadians young christians are

00:17:51.700 looking for churches that aren't going to accept non-christian values woke preaching all this stuff and

00:17:58.880 a lot of that is a lot of that i'm seeing from the catholic church right now i'm an anglican myself

00:18:03.000 i went to two services i went to a good friday service and an easter sunday service and both

00:18:07.600 were very well attended it was nice to see but this is really this is really like we're scraping the

00:18:12.880 bottom of the barrel here uh you know the fact that we're now celebrating conservative politicians

00:18:17.500 and politicians in general who make easter posts on social media this should be a given

00:18:22.080 yeah yeah yeah this this this should be this should be almost mandatory in canada except it's

00:18:29.100 not and that is something that i think you know the idea that we're celebrating this is the problem

00:18:34.100 it's the fact that for whatever reason politicians are afraid to proclaim their faith in a christian

00:18:39.720 country they're afraid to say uh what they know to be true they're afraid to push back against things

00:18:44.900 that run contrary to their faith right like this transgender day of visibility stuff i mean this is what 0.67

00:18:51.000 the fact that this is standing out is the problem in my opinion you know uh yeah that's that's a good

00:18:57.860 way of picking it i remember back in the early days of the ben shapiro podcast he used to do like

00:19:02.220 good trump and bad trump i feel like we just did good conservative it's like good conservative when you

00:19:06.680 can muster up the courage to put out a christian message on easter uh now let's move to bad

00:19:12.360 conservative uh and or i'll let you take it from here well speaking of trump i should point out trump

00:19:17.560 in response to the biden proclamation said he would if he's elected declared christian visibility day so

00:19:24.200 uh that's basically the uh the way things are going there i wait you're you're setting me up for

00:19:29.900 something what do you oh is this the uh the erin otul story actually okay sorry he's so distant in my

00:19:36.060 memory it takes a little while to recall uh that uh erin erino something or other so yeah erin otul he

00:19:42.140 was one of the witnesses before the inquiry into foreign interference which is a big issue and i

00:19:47.600 think that there is certainly a lot of evidence that the conservatives were targeted in 2021

00:19:52.640 and to some extent in 2019 over or by agents associated with the chinese regime and i think

00:20:00.040 there's evidence that in several ridings this uh campaign that we saw the chinese uh government the

00:20:05.920 chinese communist party behind probably cost the conservatives the seats didn't cost them the

00:20:10.660 overall election it would be convenient if that were the case uh the election according to erin otul

00:20:15.940 was lost because of something else so what was your understanding then based on the modeling

00:20:22.380 uh on election day of where the conservatives would end up in terms of seats that day

00:20:29.260 yeah reliving those last few days of the campaign are we went from winning the seat count

00:20:36.800 a week before the election um with a a small modest minority to on election day losing the seat count

00:20:45.140 and still winning the popular vote we we saw the vote changing largely on the vaccine and the vaccine

00:20:51.520 mandate issue um but on election night when we we knew we were going to lose um my campaign manager

00:21:00.340 had said um our models and how the vote goes you should end up with about 127 128 seats which will

00:21:09.040 be a historic level for opposition and when you consider it was a pandemic election we we were largely

00:21:16.200 on the wrong side of public opinion on on the vaccine mandate issue which is in my view why the

00:21:21.600 prime minister called the election um that was being briefed to me to say calm down you did okay

00:21:28.120 so erin otul basically says that the vaccine issue was what cost the conservatives the election

00:21:36.180 uh which i believe it was actually covid that caused the conservative election specifically the

00:21:40.900 otul strain which uh came about in uh 2021 uh erin otul in that last week of the campaign

00:21:48.200 reversed core policies that were in his platform i think there was a bit of external influence in the

00:21:54.280 sense that when jason kenny implemented a lockdown in alberta and or a vaccine passport in alberta i

00:22:01.020 think that really hurt the conservative argument on covid but in general erin otul is revising history

00:22:06.680 in two ways number one he's saying that the conservatives were opposed to all of this vaccine mandate

00:22:12.040 nonsense which was only superficially true and also that that was the thing that cost them the election

00:22:19.280 which is absolutely in no uncertain terms untrue and it was just made up uh probably so erin otul can

00:22:26.020 sleep at night for uh leading such a disastrous campaign so when i first saw your tweet andrew i thought

00:22:33.040 that maybe he had like had a come to jesus moment he recognized that his terrible covid statements and

00:22:39.840 policies are what led him to lose the election and then i watched the video i realized that it was the

00:22:44.260 opposite it was like he was digging in his heels as if like that was somehow the reason that they

00:22:49.080 lost erin otul says he was too critical of vaccine mandates just take that in for a second i mean this

00:22:55.920 is one of the infuriating things that happens like even now talking to like a liberal friend and they

00:23:00.560 try to tell you like oh no everything was fine like we just didn't know that like school closures were

00:23:05.800 going to be so detrimental to education and oh the vaccine did work i mean it got rid of like the delta

00:23:10.460 strain or whatever and it's like it's so frustrating because you're like well sure but like look at all

00:23:15.920 this other stuff and yeah to hear him say that makes me think he's just sort of learned nothing

00:23:21.680 harrison what's your thoughts over there so i'm just confused here because i pulled up an article from

00:23:27.780 global news during the election in 2021 and it says here otul promises to implement a national

00:23:34.560 proof of covid 19 vaccination system a national vaccine passport something that trudeau didn't even do

00:23:40.340 he left that up to the provinces otul wanted to make it a federal program and he wanted to as it

00:23:45.520 says here make sure that 90 of eligible residents were vaccinated against covid 19 and is pledging to

00:23:51.220 cover the cost of time off for employees to get a shot free transportation to vaccine clinics and a

00:23:56.620 national booster shot strategy that would initially target seniors in the immunocompromised

00:24:00.900 um so i'm just confused here what exactly he means by being offside because he wanted a national

00:24:07.220 vaccine passport which was not even something that trudeau was trying to implement he wanted to make

00:24:12.020 it a national program uh i don't know what he's trying to do here what he's trying to say but

00:24:16.420 he definitely was not offside on the vaccine issue when it comes to being on the side of justin

00:24:20.940 trudeau he was offside with canadians however we do know that that's why he got ended up getting

00:24:25.020 ousted from the leadership position but during the election if he was trying to compare himself to

00:24:29.320 trudeau he was right there if not even if not even ahead of him on the issue well that's that's how i saw it

00:24:35.400 i think that like that's why when i first saw andrew street i thought maybe he realized that

00:24:39.200 if the conservatives had taken a strong principal position like they did at the very beginning

00:24:43.500 saying we're not going to implement a vaccine passport ever period and we don't we don't agree

00:24:48.000 with this maybe they would have won the election maybe canadians would have had a bit more respect

00:24:51.740 for a party that was willing to stay on its principles but the fact that we had this mushy uh unclear

00:24:56.800 policy i mean i'm going to play this clip this is this is one of the worst moments in canadian politics

00:25:01.200 for me this is like peak uniparty cringe uh basically they did a psa a public service

00:25:07.940 announcement before the debate where they all agreed they all agreed the science is settled

00:25:13.220 everybody go get your go get your booster go get your shahs so this this was one of the worst

00:25:18.060 the lows of the lows of this election let's play that clip we're all like this together we've come so

00:25:25.540 far in the fight against covid it's time to finish this pandemic for good so get vaccinated if you know

00:25:31.060 someone who hasn't talked to them for our kids for our communities for our economy it's how we get

00:25:37.220 forward together vaccines are safe and effective for use vaccines are the best way for you to

00:25:43.440 protect yourself your family and your community so get vaccinated let's fight covid19 together

00:25:49.720 we all agree getting vaccinated is the way forward we're all in agreement this is not a partisan issue so please get vaccinated

00:25:56.720 we're united and it's time to get the shot vaccines save lives they're how we're going to beat covid and it's time for everyone to do it get the shot

00:26:08.720 get the shot

00:26:22.560 get the shot

00:26:24.380 no all right on three on three candace and harrison we're all in this together

00:26:31.040 one i'm not doing it i'm not doing i had a moment there where i totally forgot who the woman at the 0.93

00:26:37.540 end was and i had i had like who who is that again that's the the the green party leader i i believe but

00:26:44.540 oh my god no i i had that because i sat next to her on a flight once and i was like

00:26:48.380 i know her who is she and then i i was like oh right and i couldn't even remember her name so it's

00:26:53.080 like anime so i interestingly i because she was uh she's jewish and she was subjected to some just

00:26:58.420 horrendous anti-semitism from within the green party and i had actually looked her up a couple of

00:27:03.040 days ago unrelated to this story because i was curious what she had said about israel since october

00:27:09.040 7th and and unfortunately she has been silenced as she was ousted as green leader so i hadn't she hasn't

00:27:14.460 tweeted in three years so uh the the mystery continues but anyway carry on when i bumped

00:27:19.500 into her the airport seemed like she was pretty pretty private not not really interested in uh

00:27:23.600 in talking about politics at all but i mean come on that was just that was the worst that watching

00:27:28.200 erin o'toole stand like it's often the case that all the other parties agree that all the left-wing

00:27:32.980 parties agree on a policy and then the conservatives are like the ones out there speaking for common

00:27:37.620 sense and saying something different and being brave and having a backbone and saying like no we

00:27:41.620 don't we don't want to have like whatever the policy and and this was like to me that's why

00:27:47.200 erin o'toole lost is because he caved and because he was saying the exact same stuff as the other

00:27:51.420 parties which then you might as well just vote for the liberals if you want that vote for the liberals

00:27:55.120 and i think that's why he lost i i want to i want to cover this story uh harrison and you might

00:28:00.320 take an interest in it as well uh we're learning a little bit about uh the liberal party and how

00:28:05.640 they allow international students and non-residents and foreigners to participate in their party's

00:28:13.520 uh nominations so uh steve chase who's a great fantastic award-winning journalist over at the

00:28:19.000 globe and mail one of the good ones uh he he posted this uh i asked liberal party whether they would

00:28:24.560 change their policy to disallow international students from voting and nomination races response

00:28:28.760 from liberal spokesperson the liberal party of canada is a grassroots movement our party's constitution

00:28:34.320 bylaws are the result of thousands of registered liberals debating and voting at national conventions

00:28:38.440 to amend and update these documents over the years that's how we build the most open and inclusive

00:28:43.640 movement in canada and any future amendment would follow that process steve chase uh also also

00:28:50.380 mentioned that in tabled documents they showed that the liberal party national director is am ishmael

00:28:55.860 for an interference inquiry that signing up international students with the liberal party and busing them to

00:29:00.800 voting sites for nomination races is compliant with liberal party rules so you know here we anyone can

00:29:08.000 join the liberal party you don't have to pay anything you don't even have to be a canadian you don't even

00:29:12.480 have to be a permanent residence heck you don't even have to live in canada um and and and again this was

00:29:18.620 all in the context of that um uh foreign interference inquiry that andrew mentioned that uh

00:29:23.720 erin o'toole was talking at as well it just seems pretty shocking to me this is a state of our democracy where we have a

00:29:29.740 party defending a practice where people that aren't canadian in any way shape or form are allowed to

00:29:35.480 participate in our democracy doesn't that just feel like it feels like we don't really have a democracy

00:29:41.900 anymore andrew what are your thoughts on this well yeah and also it's important to know that uh you

00:29:46.680 know the conservative party i don't know how it is for the ndp probably similar because they none of them

00:29:51.620 work but the conservatives have paid membership so if you want to be a member of the conservative

00:29:56.040 party of canada you have to pay your 15 you can't pay with cash so it means that there is a bit of

00:30:02.020 a fraud prevention mechanism built in there the liberals at some point changed it to free membership

00:30:07.120 so not only can you sign up international students but you could sign them up without ever having them

00:30:13.440 pay for it which means it would be very easy for a bad actor to go in take a list of names put them on

00:30:20.180 the list and do whatever is necessary to get these people out to vote in a nomination and nominations

00:30:25.900 are already very very susceptible to fraud and wrongdoing they're not really overseen by elections

00:30:33.300 canada it's kind of the wild west for political parties we've heard stories especially in ontario

00:30:38.680 politics of you know people that you know have been registered 10 12 14 names to an apartment and voting

00:30:45.200 in nominations and leaderships uh the liberals don't seem to care about that i mean they see it as a

00:30:50.160 feature and not a bug well they call it a grassroots a grassroots movement so i guess that includes

00:30:56.840 everybody in the world harrison what are your thoughts on this well it's very post-national

00:31:01.100 state of the liberal party to allow this of course to allow non-citizens to to engage in our democracy 0.99

00:31:06.340 and of course as andrew said the nomination process is oftentimes in our country well i don't think you

00:31:13.080 mentioned this part but oftentimes the the nomination process is more difficult than the election itself

00:31:17.580 because we have so many ridings that are guaranteed to go one way or the other yeah so for conservatives

00:31:22.400 conservative ridings the nomination race is the hardest part and for the liberals the same is true

00:31:27.060 we have evidence that many of the uh individuals who are named by some of that original globe global

00:31:33.980 news reporting about chinese infiltration into our into our democracy a lot of those individuals 1.00

00:31:39.940 were caught up in these nomination races that were that were you know significantly helped

00:31:44.740 by non-citizens by international students by chinese students who are being bused in as they say

00:31:50.700 to to in my opinion interfere with this process this is supposed to be a canadian system for canadians

00:31:58.580 where canadians choose their leaders and their representatives in parliament not for temporary

00:32:03.740 foreign workers not for international students not for non-citizens to engage in to into to direct

00:32:09.980 change into how our country is going to go into the future um you know it is also convenient that

00:32:15.960 this is the same government who has skyrocketed international student visas into this country

00:32:20.760 and basically taken the system and driven it out of control now all of a sudden those people can

00:32:25.980 engage the liberal party and they can dictate who they want to represent them and actual canadians

00:32:30.680 into into parliament it's absurd it but it but it's very post-national state of justin true in the

00:32:36.300 liberal party well and even to defend it like that saying it's it's compliant with our policies i mean

00:32:40.980 we have a graph here from a report that i did that shows the incredible growth in international students

00:32:46.980 who've been coming to canada we're at the point where 900 000 they had to cap it at 900 000 last year

00:32:52.440 uh so you know this is contributing to all sorts of social problems as well and even our own prime

00:32:57.760 minister is admitting um that this massive spike in immigration that has happened under his watch under

00:33:04.460 his guidelines under his policy is far beyond what canada has been able to absorb it's funny he's

00:33:12.160 starting to sound like a true north uh host because that's what we say it's like you know don't

00:33:17.760 necessarily have a problem with immigration but you have to make sure that you can absorb the population

00:33:21.720 and you can integrate them and when you're letting in 2.2 million people a year it's just not working

00:33:26.160 and it's pretty pretty obvious so justin true is acknowledging that andrew i don't know if that

00:33:31.440 is going to lead to a policy change or just like a shrug your shoulders and and don't take any

00:33:36.100 accountability the the trudeau special yeah i think it's more likely to be the latter and and we already

00:33:42.380 heard a little bit of this from uh well i forget his name now the housing minister who used to be the

00:33:47.160 immigration minister fraser yeah i was i was gonna say i don't actually don't know what i was gonna say

00:33:52.000 sean something but anyway uh they're all interchangeable the uh he had said something where

00:33:56.600 he basically said the government has no say in temporary uh foreign workers and temporary

00:34:02.840 residents like international students that he said oh no no we we only cap you know and have a

00:34:07.860 number for permanent residence the rest of these it's all just you know basically it's the private

00:34:11.900 sector that figures out how many tfw's we get and it's universities that figure like he had this

00:34:16.660 entirely just ridiculous rationalization for why this is somehow not the government's fault

00:34:22.800 wow it really makes you wonder who's running who's running this place uh the liberals don't

00:34:29.740 seem to have any sense of accountability i'm gonna i'm gonna turn this over to you now harrison you

00:34:34.500 want to talk about this ontario teacher story yeah this is a very very strange story and i'm wondering

00:34:40.380 where it all came from but uh in short ontario school boards have now have now taken to the courts

00:34:46.140 to sue meta and tiktok for four and a half billion dollars for quote distracting students

00:34:53.360 all right so here's the breakdown several ontario school boards have filed lawsuits against social

00:34:58.180 media giants tiktok and meta accusing them of inflicting damage on students mental health

00:35:04.200 the suit alleges that the social media apps are interfering with students ability to learn

00:35:09.400 and that teachers are left dealing with the fallout of those effects

00:35:12.580 so so there are now the claimants here the the the school boards are alleging that social media

00:35:19.240 platforms in question were designed for compulsive use and have rewired the way children think behave

00:35:24.600 and learn and they're seeking four and a half billion dollars all right so i'm just very confused here

00:35:30.440 why the school boards are suing tiktok and meta the social media platforms these big tech companies

00:35:37.740 with our money of course because they're making the lives of teachers more difficult

00:35:42.000 right that that doesn't make much sense to me but it seems to me in fact that maybe

00:35:46.460 a lawyer is behind this and is managing to make a ton of money off of school boards again

00:35:52.180 off of our money for a lawsuit that isn't going to go anywhere how exactly the the social media

00:35:57.820 companies are are making life more difficult for teachers is beside me it's beyond me and so

00:36:04.320 apparently with doug ford he calls it nonsense he said that uh school board lawsuits launched

00:36:10.140 facebook instagram snapchat and tiktok are nonsense and urge them to instead focus on the kids

00:36:16.180 so candace what do you think about this you've got young kids who are going to be going to school in

00:36:21.160 some cases probably in school do you think that uh school boards have any grounds here to sue

00:36:26.160 big tech companies well i just don't understand like if the schools don't want kids on social media

00:36:31.380 at schools it's pretty easy just ban phones like that's up to the schools i i'm often like just

00:36:37.720 absolutely blown away that schools allow teenagers to bring their phones to school and you walk around

00:36:43.720 the hallway and you see kids like with their face down on phone it's so different than when i was in

00:36:48.240 high school like there's a growing movement especially in the uk of schools just saying enough

00:36:53.340 you cannot have a school you cannot have a phone with you at school leave it at home and if we see it

00:36:58.160 school we'll confiscate it and you will not get it back it's not like there are ways to deal with

00:37:03.960 this i think that there's some truth to the idea that these apps and these phones are addictive and

00:37:08.140 it's not good for kids it's not good for their mental health it's not good for socialization

00:37:11.500 i think that the solution is tougher rules and better parenting and better you know authority from

00:37:18.360 the schools as opposed to just what you what you're saying trying to go shake down social media

00:37:23.020 companies it seems to be a theme in canadian uh policy politics these days uh but i yeah this is

00:37:29.900 this one's just i'm at a loss this is this is very strange andrew what do you think

00:37:35.660 yeah i'm i'm kind of i it's strange is the best way of putting it is it like it's really difficult

00:37:43.380 to discern what motivations are on stuff like this yeah i i don't understand this as you said

00:37:49.040 candace they could easily just ban phones i know the ontario government even floated that idea

00:37:53.220 not too long ago to try to get phones out of out of schools and out of classrooms but again this is

00:37:59.280 an opportunity for the for school boards to use our money to go after big tech companies are they

00:38:04.320 going to win i doubt it but someone is going to make a lot of money out of this and someone had the

00:38:08.860 idea to do this yeah i think that might be a real motivation here someone wants to make a bunch of

00:38:14.000 money off these school boards by going after big tech companies well and it kind of lawyers

00:38:19.100 maestri lawyers are the real winners in this the real villains a it also sort of shows the mindset

00:38:25.740 of the school board that rather than like looking inward and trying to reflect on your own policies

00:38:30.600 and how you can you know encourage kids just get off their phones talk to parents about it like

00:38:35.280 you know do it do you do your own kind of like education campaign about the harms of social media

00:38:40.160 uh you know they just try to you get get a headline and go for a huge number 4.5 billion dollars like

00:38:48.440 is that going to go to the individual children i doubt it it's going to go to the school boards

00:38:52.560 uh so this just seems like yeah a very misguided uh attempt to fix a problem that's real and i and i do

00:39:00.020 encourage uh parents to limit their children's uh screen time not allow them to go onto social media

00:39:06.640 and not allow them to to enter into that world we've seen so much about how the sort of slippery

00:39:11.440 slope behind you know a young 12 13 year old girl going on tiktok and all of a sudden she believes

00:39:17.640 she's transgender or she hates she hates canada and she believes that canada is like a genocidal state 0.95

00:39:23.300 like there's there's so much there's so much nastiness out there you you have to protect your

00:39:27.620 children from it and there is no way there is no way mike actually i was talking to some of the

00:39:31.900 parents at my kid's school about this because you can buy these things that are called dumb phones

00:39:35.980 and they look like smartphones but they're dumb phones and all they can do is just call mom and

00:39:40.320 dad right so like the kid doesn't feel embarrassed or left out when like all their friends have like

00:39:44.740 these cool android and iphones uh they can pull out a phone that kind of looks like that and they can

00:39:48.800 play around on it but it doesn't actually allow them to like access the internet or any of like

00:39:52.760 the horror horrible horrible things that you can find on there and also one more thing how many of

00:39:57.680 these how many teachers use tiktok themselves don't we see all these videos of these teachers

00:40:02.240 making all these very strange uh lgbt transgender uh tiktoks going around we see them on twitter all 1.00

00:40:09.860 the time so surely there's got to be quite a few teachers themselves who are using these social media

00:40:14.800 apps maybe that maybe that's making their teaching job a little more difficult as well i find that to

00:40:19.260 be very strange someone someone someone should address that yeah i forgot to make this joke during our

00:40:23.780 last segment but you know the the person doing the most to promote transgender uh visibility and

00:40:29.400 awareness is the account libs of tiktok which literally just takes you know deranged sort of

00:40:35.600 teachers or people who are transgender talking about crazy things and and promoting them so that 1.00

00:40:40.600 everyone can see the kinds of things they're saying and so often harrison to your point they're

00:40:44.420 they're teachers sometimes they're even ontario teachers um that are that are on there talking about

00:40:49.060 their indoctrination programs and and all the plans that they have to turn everybody into uh you know

00:40:55.220 an ally or being transgender themselves so i i think you're right they could they could show some better

00:41:00.460 leadership there okay andrew i'll pass it over to you uh you how you you are going to wrap up this

00:41:07.320 episode with uh an interesting story that you came across yeah this is a weird one so i i kind of love

00:41:14.660 when politicians and political leaders decide to bluff call it's like in the u.s when all of those red

00:41:22.440 state governors just started shipping migrants up to like sanctuary cities in massachusetts saying okay

00:41:27.800 here you go you deal with it so germany has for whatever reason decided to crack down on trophy

00:41:33.960 hunting now uh there isn't this wide proliferation of trophy hunting in dresden or something they're talking

00:41:39.780 about germans that go abroad trophy hunt and then import their trophies and in canada there are

00:41:44.980 actually uh quite a few restrictions on this as well you can't just bring back your rhinoceros horn

00:41:49.680 or something like that so germany has done this now there are some countries where trophy hunting there

00:41:54.980 there are some places where trophy hunting is very predatory um it's uh very icky to a lot of people

00:42:00.420 there are other places where trophy hunting is a part of the economy and it's a way that wealthy

00:42:05.260 tourists come in spend a lot of money and kill animals that there are too many of and elephants

00:42:10.720 african elephants which are an endangered species are actually not endangered in botswana which has had

00:42:16.160 so much success in its conservation efforts that botswana is kind of overrun by elephants so they can 0.99

00:42:21.880 sustain this trophy hunting industry there so botswana has said to germany all right well uh why don't

00:42:28.860 we just send you 20 000 elephants now i don't know the logistics of shipping 20 000 elephants i mean

00:42:35.080 when i want to send like a letter to someone i'm amazed at oh well you actually have to pay for

00:42:40.020 priority airmail and it's going to cost you 50 so uh 20 000 element elephants from botswana to germany

00:42:45.740 probably a little costly there but uh botswana is saying to germany well if you don't want to

00:42:50.780 take in our trophies how about you just deal with the elephants yourselves i love it

00:42:55.340 harrison i know you had some thoughts as everyone just says all right well there's nothing more to say on

00:43:03.340 this i wonder you said it all well i'm in agreement i'm in agreement they should they should you know

00:43:07.540 enrich the german and the german landscape with some with some uh botswana imported elephants that

00:43:13.460 would really shake things up in uh in the forest over there but again no i think that again we had

00:43:19.500 this conversation at the beginning of the show i think it didn't make it into the i don't think it

00:43:23.700 made it into the video but it was basically about how a lot of these african countries and these

00:43:29.180 rural villages in africa want westerners to come in and trophy hunt and to clear out animals that

00:43:34.760 are causing problems to not only their community but also to the rest of the wildlife in that area

00:43:39.540 they see it as a win-win they're getting rid of animals that are that are you know causing

00:43:44.460 significant problems and of course oftentimes with these communities when you take when you kill these

00:43:49.940 trophy animals the food goes to the village so the villagers eat the food that you've come in and

00:43:55.000 spend tens of thousands of dollars to to shoot and to hunt and then you're kind of it's a win-win

00:44:01.860 right the economy benefits they're clearing out animals that need to be called and of course the

00:44:06.740 community gets to eat a lot of these a lot of the meat that ends up coming here so this is also just

00:44:12.020 seems like another woke policy i don't understand where it's coming from but i do think that you

00:44:16.200 know it might enrich the german landscape to have some elephants i i'm just i'm just picturing you

00:44:21.840 know some elephants like stomping through berlin or something like that and it's it's very

00:44:25.400 satisfying way to take down the berlin wall if you had 20 000 elephants roaming the streets

00:44:30.040 someone get on the ai image generator let's see let's see how they've come up with that that'd be

00:44:34.680 hilarious i mean not to turn it out too much but when i was in grad school i actually wrote a paper

00:44:38.720 on this topic it was about the devolution elephants to germany from but no it was on the

00:44:43.700 devolution of land rights in namibia which is another country in south uh south africa southern

00:44:50.100 africa and basically what they did was they took uh like government land and they they gave it to a

00:44:56.280 private company who ran one of these big game farms in in the hopes of conservation so the idea was that

00:45:01.400 when you have tourists coming in to hunt uh there's an incentive for local people to uh make sure that

00:45:09.200 the the population sustain themselves so since they brought in this program the number of elephants and

00:45:13.920 wildlife uh endangered wildlife has actually increased by like five or ten percent um because when when

00:45:19.920 when it's when it's completely wild there's no one it's a tragedy of the commons argument uh basic

00:45:24.480 one uh but but you know it's it's it's kind of counterintuitive because usually when you see

00:45:29.460 you know people hunting you think oh this is why these animals are endangered um but it's it's actually

00:45:35.020 the way it works in practice is the opposite that when you have the market involved where there's

00:45:40.340 incentives to keep these things alive um the populations grow because they do a better job

00:45:44.580 um doing that and i think that's that's what's happening in bus one i think this is a case for

00:45:49.300 argument for a lot of hunting i mean andrew you're much more involved in the hunting world uh than i

00:45:54.360 am but i i believe that's why we are allowed to hunt animals like deer because there's there's just

00:45:59.440 too many of them and and they become a nuisance and and hunters are actually doing a service

00:46:04.060 to to to farmers and to the to the broader uh country and that's that's part of the argument that i

00:46:09.960 don't think people who want to have these like knee-jerk reaction bans is that they just don't

00:46:14.400 really understand it yeah no exactly and and oftentimes if we didn't have people that were

00:46:19.800 doing this for recreational reasons it would be some massive boondoggle government program that would 0.99

00:46:23.920 have to be responsible for it well wasn't there a story of the feds paying a bunch of foreigners to

00:46:29.160 go and chew deer in british columbia not too long ago did you not hear about that story where i didn't

00:46:34.240 the locals like the setup to a movie no i know no no it's it's it's real and i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:46:40.140 have sean put this in the post roll so people know that i'm not just making it up not a conspiracy

00:46:44.260 theorist over there that that that the that locals in canada were were asked about the federal

00:46:48.880 government because they paid tens of thousands of dollars to a group of foreigners to call deer

00:46:53.020 when the locals would have done it for free and they would have had the food for themselves but

00:46:56.340 again the federal government does get in on this and they just they botch it every single time

00:47:00.820 well that's not surprising that's i think i guess that's a good way to end the show the

00:47:06.420 federal government botches everything they ever try to do so we'll leave it at that gentlemen thank

00:47:11.500 you so much for joining us uh thanks to the audience for tuning in this has been off the record

00:47:15.660 and uh remember everything you just heard is in fact off the record

00:47:19.040 yeah we should do your uh idea harrison just do the the true north christmas party in botswana

00:47:32.880 yeah i think it will be good you know be an interesting story at least i'm sure uh our haters

00:47:40.860 would would would dine off that for quite a while though yeah we would and it's just driving around

00:47:46.220 in a utv with an elect with an lmg just saying yeah yeah come and get me maybe we get an updated

00:47:52.660 uh in our wikipedia page i want to get one of those safari helmets in a safari suit and uh

00:47:58.220 oh you're going like full like 1920s uh colonialist uh chic yeah yeah i really embraced the whole the

00:48:03.920 whole trip that'll be great for your reputation harrison yes i think so you'll never get called a

00:48:10.020 white supremacist again yep it'll put it all it'll put it all to rest

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Off the Record - April 05, 2024

Foreigners voting “compliant with Liberal Party’s rules”

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