How “strong and united” are the Liberals？
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On this week's episode of Off The Record, our friends from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) join us to talk about the Prime Minister's recent showdown with his own party, and how it could have been handled differently.
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You said you have something planned for Halloween there, Chris.
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So the debt, the national debt is super scary because it's something crazy now.
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It would take you like 30,000 years to count a trillion.
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So we're bringing the debt clock, which is super scary to Calgary.
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And then a friend of mine, the Prairie Director, Gage Habrick, he's coming with me.
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And we're going to dress up in our best Halloween gear.
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And we're going to put on like a big press conference about how scary the debt is.
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Well, I was going to add, I think that the debt keeps Canadians up at night, but I doubt it keeps Trudeau up much.
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No, he, I would say Canadians have had a lot of tricks from this liberal government and precious few treats in terms of at least cost of living and keeping life affordable.
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Certainly my, my life doesn't seem any more affordable.
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I haven't gotten a lot of treats from this liberal government.
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Well, in no time flat, people who aren't trick-or-treaters are going to be doing a lot of door knocking.
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I'm the Alberta Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
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Our friends at True North have been very nice to let me host a few of these shows.
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I'm here with my good friends, Cosman and William.
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It's been quite the week for anyone who is a political nerd.
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It was a big showdown leading up to the caucus meeting on Wednesday.
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And quite often I find fans of True North will come up to me at events and they'll say something like,
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we really want the inside scoop, like explain how these things work.
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So I worked on Parliament Hill for way too long.
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And one of the main things they do each week when the House is in session,
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so when all the members of Parliament, 300 something of them, are all in Ottawa,
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every Wednesday morning from around 8.30ish till around 11.30ish, sometimes later,
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Wednesday morning, each party goes into these rooms by themselves,
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usually with no phones even allowed, and they lock themselves in.
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And that's usually where they can hash things out.
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if you're hearing from your constituents about something crazy that you don't want to get out,
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but you want people to know, that's called caucus meeting.
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which was a very sad anniversary for the passing of Corporal Nathan Cirillo,
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that is why that terrorist, that attacker, picked Wednesday morning,
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because he knew where they were all going to be.
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And so that is why you had that stark image of back then,
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper's caucus on one side of the hallway.
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And then at the time, the opposition's NDP across the hall,
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they were all in caucus, so they were all in one place in one time.
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this is a really critical meeting for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
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Things like there was going to be a rebellion within caucus,
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that enough Liberal members of Parliament were going to take the microphone
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and stand up and be heard and speak back to Trudeau on things like affordability
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So there was an awful lot of fireworks going in and out of the building.
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And so I just wanted very briefly to get your impression first,
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Did you think this turned into a nothing burger?
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Yeah, I mean, politically, I think the Prime Minister came out of it
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He seems more or less to be in the same position he was going in,
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maybe some of the deflate in the sales of the Dump Trudeau movement,
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because they don't appear to have made much damage in ousting the Prime Minister.
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And I think we'll see a clip in just a bit where you can even see
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a pretty cocky walking Prime Minister as he leaves that caucus meeting.
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And, you know, it's quite telling when you get to see our Prime Minister
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This is Prime Minister Justin Trudeau emerging from the caucus meeting.
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I will point out an hour later than people were expecting.
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So fellow theatre kid here, you know your body language
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and you know blocking and you know what you want to portray.
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And so there, I think he was trying to show his sleeves rolled up.
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He's definitely trying to portray a sense of confidence and assurance
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to other members in his party that he's got things under control.
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But it doesn't address the fact that most Canadians are looking at this government
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as if they're not serving their interests and they're not able to pull together.
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Because you still see these signs of rebellion within at least a significant,
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I think I've heard numbers up to 40 Liberal MPs who don't have confidence in Trudeau.
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So he must have some key supporters who are able to keep him there in place.
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But whether that's actually going to translate to things working out for Canadians,
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One of the key issues that we were trying to push them to speak up about,
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and we know for a fact that these members of Parliament,
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particularly in the Liberal caucus, were getting flooded with emails.
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And quite often when you get enough constituents pushing an MP,
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saying, hey buddy, your job's on the line because I'm not going to vote for you next time
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And that's when you get them speaking up in caucus.
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So as of right now for tape time, we're about 24 hours out of the caucus meeting.
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In my experience being a journalist on Parliament Hill, now is kind of the time.
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So the members of Parliament who had their say or didn't have slept on it,
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they might be gathering together in like secret meetings at the pub over on Spark Street or something,
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and they might be gathering courage to speak up.
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William, do you think that there's still some legs to this?
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Do you think that they still might find a way of pushing?
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Because there was this document apparently that was going around,
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I haven't seen it, of getting them to sign basically a pledge of,
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I will stand up to Trudeau, something like that.
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Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to say to a journalist off the record
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that you want to see the Prime Minister gone and you think he's doing a terrible job.
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It's another thing to actually stand up in a caucus room
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and become publicly identified as an enemy of the Prime Minister,
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who continues to wield an awful lot of power in our system.
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You know, one of the things I think Canadians and other political watchers are going to be curious about is,
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what promises did the Prime Minister make when he was in caucus to his MPs
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You know, are we going to see the end of the carbon tax before the next election?
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I mean, I know all of us here would be thrilled if we saw that carbon tax go.
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But of course, you know, that was sort of his signature policy.
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So, you know, that would be a real defeat for this Prime Minister.
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You know, and the other one is, you know, the last time he encountered some real trouble,
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he dropped Gerald Butts, at least formally, from his office staff.
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I still suspect they stay in pretty close communication since they were best friends for decades.
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You know, I know there's a lot of growing resentment about Katie Telford,
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the current chief of staff to the Prime Minister.
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And, you know, one of the reasons you have staff is so you can fire them when things get rough.
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And I'm curious to see if we're going to see any policy or personnel changes
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Maybe he'll do a cabinet shuffle or add a few more cabinet appointments,
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Because cabinet ministers, so your average backbencher,
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You're a cabinet minister, you're adding like another $100,000 onto that, typically.
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So I'm keeping a very close eye on all this stuff.
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So I was there when there was a press conference,
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and then Finance Minister Paul Martin kind of sort of indicated that he didn't have full confidence,
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Like we've said before, things happen gradually, and then all of a sudden.
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So it really kind of felt rolling into this caucus meeting like that all of a sudden could be happening,
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because we saw some signals coming from Mark Carney, for example, musing about his future in politics,
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and then a really strong one coming from former BC Liberal British Columbia Premier Christy Clark.
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It was just like, I'm not running for leader of the Liberal Party.
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And so that would be really interesting if she wanted to make that move.
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Because again, if one of the albatrosses around Trudeau's neck is the carbon tax,
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it was the BC Liberals that invented the darn thing in all of North America.
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And that was under, including then Christy Clark's watch.
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It was Gordon Campbell before her, but she kept it going.
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So that would be really interesting to see if they could fit that into that narrative box.
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And so we have a clip here of a Member of Parliament, Liberal Member of Parliament, from Atlantic Canada.
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And this is where reporters kind of stake out the entrances of the building
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as they're going into the caucus meeting and coming out of the caucus meeting.
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I saw a lot of them getting their work out in yesterday.
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Sorry, my apologies to our dear True North watchers.
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But here we have a question of whether or not they could vote to topple the government
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and saying that it's actually not out of the question.
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And this is coming from Liberal Member of Parliament, Ken McDonald.
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And the reason why that's significant is that he's apparently not seeking re-election.
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So he feels more entitled or maybe liberated to be able to speak about that.
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Cosman, did you want to jump in here again to figure out, to let people know where your stance is on this?
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Or do you think this is going to be put to bed?
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They're going to have a long break over Christmas?
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I'm glad that you mentioned that Ken McDonald is not seeking re-election because we have so many Liberal MPs
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who are refusing to run again under the Liberal Party banner.
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And you also mentioned the prospects of a cabinet shuffle.
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We actually have a cabinet shuffle coming because another minister also said she won't be seeking re-election.
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I forgot what her latest role was, but it was Marie-Claude Bebeau who said she won't be running for the Liberals again.
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We've also seen Seamus O'Regan not want to run for the Liberals again.
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So I think there needs to be more attention paid to that because it is a sort of unspoken way of signaling to voters
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that you don't want to participate in this party, or at least you don't have any hopes that there are future prospects for you to be re-elected.
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Did we want to move on to the CBC, speaking of broadcasters and Seamus O'Regan?
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Again, Seamus was at CTV for a long time, particularly at Canada AM, and I was the parliamentary producer for Canada AM.
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So I worked quite closely with Mr. O'Regan before he jumped into politics.
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And I didn't know that he was part of Justin Trudeau's wedding party at the time.
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So let's shift over to our other favorite broadcaster that takes government money, the CBC.
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So Catherine Tate, she's the president and CEO of the CBC.
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People might remember her from past performances at the committee.
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So again, on Parliament Hill, there's various committees in each separate room.
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And on different days, they'll have different meetings.
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And one of these committees is the Heritage Committee.
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The Heritage Committee is the one that grills Catherine Tate whenever enough members of Parliament on that committee are mad about things like pay and bonuses.
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So this time around, she was called to the committee carpet again to answer for the fact that last year, they handed out about $18 million in bonus money.
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And so she had to face down quite a few questions, things like, are we getting good value for money?
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I just wanted to go around the horn on this first, just to get you with your impressions of her appearance at committee.
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William, you and I are both old enough to remember that it was pretty rare to see somebody from the CBC up that high being asked such impertinent questions.
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And now we're kind of getting the front row seat lately.
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Yeah, you know, every time I watch Ms. Tate come before the committee and answer questions, I secretly think, is she really on the side of the defunders?
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Because you couldn't have asked for a better CEO to be the poster child for why we need to cut funding to CBC.
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The level of arrogance and of being out of touch with everyday Canadians is so breathtaking that it borders on almost implausible.
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You do have to think, you know, is she secretly got money from, I don't know, True North to appear before a committee just to tank the CBC.
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I can say as our chief operating officer, we are not paying Catherine Tate.
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But it would be money well spent, just saying, because she's doing a great job.
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Honestly, it is just so hard to believe when you watch her, the sheer tone deafness of her responses.
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Cosman, what was your take on it after watching some of this?
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Well, it was a sense of almost a lack of self-awareness that I got from everything she says.
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Anytime she's at committee, she blames everybody else except for CBC's own performance, their obvious bias.
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I mean, this is a network that sued the Conservative Party unsuccessfully.
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They are constantly demeaning Canadians, demeaning the values of working class people,
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and looking down their noses in their reporting.
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And so it just strikes me like she's on her way out.
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She's already, a replacement has already been named.
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Maybe she's just burning everything on her way out.
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And so to give folks some numbers, because full disclosure, I did work at the CBC for a very brief time, around six weeks or so.
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This is about, for the Taxpayers Federation, money and conflict of interest.
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Because number one, this is a huge waste of money for a network that next to nobody watches.
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And two, it is a conflict of interest for journalists to be paid by the government.
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Like, to have to say that out loud is kind of weird.
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So for those two huge reasons of waste of money and major accountability issues, the CTF is one of the ones right in the ring fighting this.
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So to go by the numbers really briefly before we get to Catherine Tate's clip, because they are spellbinding.
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The CBC this year is costing taxpayers $1.4 billion.
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To put that into perspective, that kind of money could instead pay the full-time salaries of 7,000 paramedics and 7,000 cops this year.
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That kind of money is the equivalent of more than 80,000 households' income taxes.
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So the next time she tries to say, oh, it's only costing a few dollars per Canadian.
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That is the federal income tax bill every year going to this organization.
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And for the lady you are about to watch, this is CBC CEO and President Catherine Tate,
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She is paid more than the Prime Minister of Canada.
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For anybody who's picking up on this as a journalist, if you're looking it up,
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she is under the Crown Corporation drop-down tab.
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That means she's paid between $468,000 and $551,000 per year.
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Her bonus is more than what the average two-person family makes in a year.
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Ms. Tate, you said that it's confidential, that information, but that just doesn't work for Canadians.
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Canadians look at $18 million awarded in bonuses, the fact that you just spent $1,000 a night
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for a hotel room in Paris during the Olympics, and we are in a situation where you are coming
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to the conclusion of your term being paid more than the Prime Minister of this country makes.
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And you refuse today to rule out that you will receive either bonuses or so-called performance pay
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or a severance package at the conclusion of your term.
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It's confidential, doesn't cut it for Canadians.
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So again, I ask, will you specifically today share with this committee whether or not you will
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refuse a severance package or bonus at the conclusion of your term as President and CEO of CBC?
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As I've said, I consider that to be a personal matter.
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And I believe I'm protected by the Privacy Act in that regard.
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So again, gentlemen, to both of your points, that sounds an awful lot like I'm entitled to my entitlements.
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You know, a small petty part of me did wonder for someone who's so highly paid,
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you think she could have afforded a better dye job on that sparkly red hair of hers.
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You see her hair and you wonder every single time she chose that color.
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No, I mean, $1,000 a night for her to go to the Paris Olympics, to the best of my knowledge,
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You know, why are we paying a bonus to someone who has overseen a massive decline in the viewership
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of CBC, in the audience, the revenue, the reach, and the influence of CBC?
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More Canadians than ever have said they do not watch CBC.
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They do not believe CBC journalists are fair and impartial.
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And so bonuses generally are given out to people who exceed expectations.
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It is to be given on top of a salary in recognition of a job well done.
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Rarely is it given to celebrate failure, but that seems to be the CBC's approach to bonuses.
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I have some fresh, hard data on their viewership, which was astonishing to me.
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I can get to that in a second, but I wanted to get Cosmo's thoughts in on that clip.
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You know, for an organization that you would think values things like transparency and being
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forthcoming with Canadians, they're not transparent at all.
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They're not transparent about who gets bonuses, how much bonuses are divvied out.
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They're also not transparent about what targets they're actually meeting to achieve these bonuses.
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We're talking about an organization that's on the decline.
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Forgive me while I read them off my phone, but it's coming out in an op-ed very soon in
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So very quickly, Tate says that Canadians are seeing good value for money, but how can we
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So CBC News Network's share of primetime is 1.7%.
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So put another way, 98.3% of TV viewing Canadians are choosing to not watch it.
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And if you want to say, okay, well, what about, you know, the comedy drama, right?
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What about the art side of things, the fiction side of things, right?
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So on the entertainment side, they're not ranking highly either.
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Their top rated show is a show called the Murdoch Mysteries, which is not produced by
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That is produced by a private company in Toronto.
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And what was astonishing to me is that Tate during the committee actually said, well,
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if we didn't have programming, like the wonderful show, Son of a Critch, it would be, you know,
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bad, like basically for the world is what she was implying.
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So I got curious and I looked up the ratings for Son of a Critch, which is based off of the
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And it's in its third season, who knew, but you paid for it.
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So last year that, that audience was around 590,000 people.
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About 1.4% of Canadians are watching that show that the CEO just mentioned out loud with
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And one of her other things that she said under questioning about why she went to the
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Paris Olympics is that, get this, she was already there, guys.
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She was already there vacationing in France, of course, as one does.
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And so she just popped into Paris because she thought that Canadians would be really concerned
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I'm up nights wondering where president and CEO of CBC, Catherine Tate is.
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I'm now thinking how much enriched my life would be if I had watched three seasons about
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a mediocre comedian who few Canadians could pick out of a police lineup.
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My favorite CBC programming story is, I would say CBC legitimately deserves credit for Schitt's
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Creek, mostly because they did it in partnership with the private sector.
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And the private sector had this impossible or crazy idea that they should produce a television
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show that people actually want to watch in the world.
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And so after it was done, you would have thought CBC would have looked at that and said, wow,
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we produced a popular piece of entertainment, or at least we were marginally part of it,
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Well, no, actually, what they said was, well, we'll never do that again.
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They lamented the commercial nature of that partnership.
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The fact that it appealed broadly outside of Canada to an American audience, you know, where
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there's 330 million people who like to watch TV.
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And they said, well, let's never do that again.
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And so, you know, I'm not an art critic, at least while I am privately, but I'm not, I'm
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But if people want to produce obscure, weird art for whatever reason, and however they want
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to do it, however many people they want to see it or not, that's great.
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Like, pay for it yourself, or do a GoFundMe, or get a sponsor.
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Get people to willingly pay for the art that you want to produce.
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But you cannot produce weird stuff that people aren't actually watching if you're using taxpayers'
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And I have to read you her actual quote, because it's almost too hard to believe.
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She said, without a show like Son of a Critch, it would, quote, be a huge impoverishment of
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So again, this lady makes probably over half a million dollars, and her bonus that she's
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entitled to is likely more than what a two-person working family pays.
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So I wanted to take this moment to make a fun announcement.
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So we finally have these bumper stickers printed.
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It says, for folks just listening, it's defunded the CBC.
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I'm going to be giving them out at True North Nation coming up this Saturday.
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So I imagine that they're going to be pretty popular.
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She is really making a solid argument as to why we need to defund the CBC.
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Did we want to get to our other story here about, this was a Parks Canada story, Cosman,
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Parks Canada is about to undergo an apology tour.
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They've flagged 27 different national parks across the country, including Banff, including
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Pacific Rim, Jasper as well, to apologize for the department's role, supposed role, in colonialism
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and all of this damage that that has caused, supposedly.
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And it's astounding to me because Parks Canada preserves natural sites.
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Why is the Canadian government, why do they think that we need to apologize for preserving
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the environment, creating spaces that everybody can enjoy, First Nations, everybody can enjoy
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So we came across this story because we filed an ATIP.
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And it was actually at the tail end of this 800-page document.
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They had this map laid out with all of the locations that they plan on having place-based
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Now, I'm not 100% sure exactly what that means because Parks Canada wasn't very forthcoming
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when I asked them for comment and clarification.
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But the first location flagged for this apology tour was Jasper.
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And this was supposed to happen before, it was determined before the wildfires actually
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broke out, those devastating wildfires that destroyed a huge part of this town and the
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surrounding area and impacted the national park itself.
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But there was supposed to be an exhibit opening this September, which was delayed.
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So it still remains to be the first place that they want to initiate this apology tour.
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But Chris, I want to turn it to you specifically with regards to the potential costs of starting
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exhibits, sending government officials, all of the consulting that goes behind these procedures
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and something so grandiose as touching the entire country.
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Yeah, that'll be interesting to see how much that costs because Parks Canada has been amazing
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Like folks might remember very recently where I forget how much money we wasted.
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Hiring sharpshooters from overseas to shoot deer out of a helicopter on some tiny little Gulf
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Island off British Columbia, I'm already getting all these alarm bells from so many people who
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So we will, I will definitely look into how much of that is costing because I bet you it's
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And just to say the Taxpayers Federation, we try to help everybody out.
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And we hear from First Nations people all the time.
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They want the same thing that everybody else does, living in smaller towns included, like
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really good, accountable government, nice, safe, clean drinking water, good schools for
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I have not had one email saying, you know what keeps me up at night is making sure that I
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get this paid for and all done by the government and bureaucrats involved.
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Like this just seems like such a personal, strange thing.
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Well, look, Parks Canada should show up in Jasper and apologize, but they should apologize
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for allowing a huge chunk of the town to burn down because of their terrible policies in
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They dropped the ball on maintaining anti-fire provisions.
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They weren't clearing away the dead brush that had been recommended.
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They were silencing internal criticism of their policy.
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They did not work as full partners in the fighting of the fire, turning down resources
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that were available to them because they were playing fiefdom over that particular area.
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So the people of Jasper, the people of Alberta and the people of Canada all deserve apologies
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But it's because of their sheer incompetence that allowed a jewel like Jasper to be consumed
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by flame rather than a anti-colonial feel-good park nonsense tour that they seem to be planning
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That I just don't see people rallying in the streets asking for.
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Like, really, people are worried about being able to afford groceries and their heat bill.
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You had another real head scratcher there, William.
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What was the story coming out of a med school in Toronto?
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Yeah, I, you know, every once in a while you run into a new story that you have to read
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at least twice in order to make sure that either it isn't a parody or that what you're
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And in the case of Toronto Metropolitan University, which I think most people still remember as
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Until Toronto Metropolitan University decided that it wanted to be Canada's wokest university.
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And as part of that, they are opening a new medical school.
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But this new medical school is going to be for racialized, indigenous, and quote unquote,
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And in case you're wondering what an equity deserving applicant is, I have a list.
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It is racialized people, racialized immigrants, and children of racialized immigrants, people
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with disabilities, neurodivergence, or those living with chronic health conditions, people
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who identify as part of the 2SLGBTQ plus community, or gender or sexual minority.
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So that's their target for their new medical school.
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That means out of the 94 positions they're opening, 75% of them are being held for those
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Only 25% are going to be made available to the student population at large.
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They're also doing a couple other things that I think people will find interesting.
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The normal GPA needed to get into a medical school is 3.9 out of 4.
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I mean, you know, medical school is a tough gig.
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There's a joke why so many parents want their children to go become doctors.
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But for these equity deserving applicants, they'll only need a GPA of 3.3.
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So far below what non-equity group applicants are going to need.
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But they also will have to write here, it says, a 500 to 1,000-word essay about their
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identity as members of those groups in order to be considered for application.
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So the concern, of course, being when you go to a doctor, it's usually under some pretty
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You're either injured, sick, could be facing a life-threatening condition.
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You expect your doctor to know everything there is to know about your body, about your
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medical treatment, and about medicine in general.
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You don't expect them to kind of know it, and you don't expect them to have gotten into
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the program and become a doctor because of some personal characteristic that represents
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I mean, you know, my question for, I think, both of you is, if you found out that your
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doctor went to medical school as a diversity candidate rather than one based on merit, would
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you have concerns about that particular doctor?
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Like, I don't care if you're a purple Klingon.
1.00
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I want you to be really, really good at your job.
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What I desperately care about is merit because that has results.
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Because that is what determines a good outcome or a bad outcome in most things, not just medicine.
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But in this case, you'd be directly affecting patients and their families.
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And again, there is an accountability level here of we all pay for health care in Canada.
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Folks, if you don't like this, contact your member of parliament and let them know that
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The other consequences of this is that it actually harms the credibility of the entire
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industry itself, the entire medical profession.
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When you are causing doubt within patients about the competence of their doctors because
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of programs like this introduced by universities, probably encouraged by diversity, equity, inclusion
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And it doesn't really sense that it doesn't give the sense that this is rooted in actual
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And these initiatives don't address the endemic issues that Canadian health care has with
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We should make it more desirable to become a doctor in Canada.
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You know, I just have to think if I was a student, I had worked so hard in my undergraduate.
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I have a lifelong dream of going to medical school.
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But then I find out that actually the position that I would have earned under the merit approach
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to choosing doctors was given away to someone less qualified with less skills, less knowledge,
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and less ability for an entirely superficial personal characteristic beyond their control.
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And what message are you sending to university students where it says how you were born is
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more important than your ability and work ethic when it comes to your career?
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I just think what an awful message we're sending to young people and potentially now a very
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dangerous one, too, if we're going to end up with a bunch of medical professionals who
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really aren't as qualified as they could or should be.
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I am an eternal optimist, again, why I'm a Star Trek fan.
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And I think if enough people speak up calmly and firmly and genuinely from a position of
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concern and love, really, and they contact their member of parliament and they say, listen,
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folks, this is why I oppose this for A, B and C reasons.
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And I do think that if they want to, they can change an enrollment policy like this.
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So I just want to encourage people, don't give up.
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If you feel like everything is closing in around you, don't, because there's so many
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You just need to get off the bench and get into the arena and you can actually make an
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It's one of the reasons we're having our gathering this coming Saturday.
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Basically, you get this, but on very good and healthy steroids, if that's a term.
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And we're all on stage and we're all there together and there'll be a booth set up.
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There's going to be things like T-shirts and bumper stickers and bracelets and all that
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And you can meet all your favorite True North personalities and listen to some of us try
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There are still apparently a few tickets left and it's coming up this Saturday in Calgary.
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William and Cosman, thank you so much for your time today.
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You just have to scratch your head over the doctor one, you know, as we were joking a
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little bit before, there are some jobs where you don't really have to know everything about
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I would suggest respectfully that in my job, you know, if I don't fully know something,
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you know, maybe something doesn't perform as well as it's short or maybe, you know, it
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doesn't execute as brilliantly as we would have hoped.