Off the Record - May 25, 2024


Liberals resort to abortion scare tactics


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In this week's Off The Record Friday's Fun Show, I'm joined by William McBeth, Noah Jarvis, and William Mebeth to discuss the latest abortion debate in Canada, and the strange press conference that broke out in Ottawa this week.

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00:00:00.000 all right noah you're supposed to be the funniest on the team so you can uh start us off i'm the
00:00:06.400 funniest on the team i don't know you know what makes you think that is it just not my appearance
00:00:11.120 that's what andrew that's what andrew designated you wasn't this supposed to be andrew's show and
00:00:15.020 i feel like he's never actually here on fridays yeah you know he's always on vacation in different
00:00:19.800 countries and stuff you know living the living his best life i don't even really think that he works
00:00:24.040 yeah i'm a bit concerned that he's in taiwan right now while china is engaged in unprecedented war
00:00:31.080 games surrounding the island with ships and planes so we're a little bit worried about getting
00:00:37.000 andrew lotten back safe and sound into one piece not an asset it's not a maybe a low-key chinese agent
00:00:43.500 who knows no maybe we i feel bad maybe we shouldn't be saying uh unkind things about him while he's in
00:00:49.440 a dangerous dangerous zone sorry andrew yeah i understand he's getting on a plane home today so
00:00:55.720 i'm i think he'll be okay all right well in that case andrew this is your show you need to come back
00:01:01.060 and you need to start hosting it more regularly we're happy to all be guests but it's your show
00:01:04.920 your responsibility all right everyone let's get it started
00:01:08.560 hey everyone welcome back to off the record friday's fun show andrew lotten is out of town
00:01:23.060 in taiwan as you may have heard so i am filling in in his absence and i am joined by william mcbeth
00:01:28.360 and noah jarvis thanks folks for joining me today guys happy to be here it's a pleasure to be on
00:01:33.960 so it's been a spicy week in canadian politics actually it seems like there is probably not much
00:01:40.540 going on and you always know that it's been a slow news week and when they're down in the polls
00:01:44.880 when the liberals start talking about abortion the liberals are once again fear-mongering over
00:01:49.580 abortion saying that the conservative leader pierre polyev if he was in government if he was in power
00:01:55.540 he would make abortion illegal personally i'm pro-life i don't have a problem with this
00:02:00.640 unfortunately pierre polyev has actually said he would do nothing to legislate it
00:02:03.940 so the liberals don't really have much of an argument but they always seem to bring this up
00:02:07.400 when they're down the polls and we have many polls showing them down by as many as 20 points
00:02:12.140 still this has been what they've chosen to make the issue of the week about
00:02:15.620 and there was a pretty crazy press conference that broke out in ottawa this week we're going to play a
00:02:20.260 clip to show you what the liberals sounded like this week in ottawa i'm here representing the
00:02:24.640 women's caucus and members of the little party and we've sent a letter to the leader of the
00:02:28.660 opposition asking him to be very clear with canadians and in particular with canadian women
00:02:33.760 on what he would do to defend a woman's right to choose we've seen that his caucus there are many
00:02:41.060 anti-choice caucus members we've seen some of their actions recently including mp kathy wagenthal who at
00:02:48.320 the pro-life rally held here last week said that women who have abortions end up needing redemption
00:02:54.500 forgiveness and needing god we as women want to know whether the leader of the opposition will
00:03:02.240 ensure that his caucus does not put forward legislation that in any way impinges on women's
00:03:11.120 frights and redims in particular bodily autonomy so of course now the liberals are saying they're
00:03:16.500 putting forward the dreaded letter which is what politicians always do when they don't really have
00:03:20.200 anything else to do william what do you make of this why is this coming up again yeah i mean you've
00:03:25.960 heard of the little boy who cried wolf well this is the little party that cried abortion it's every 0.95
00:03:31.120 single time they're faced with uh policy criticism or sagging popularity they go to their only weapon
00:03:37.980 left they try and claim that the conservative party in government would outlaw abortion but unlike in
00:03:45.260 previous times i think you're seeing that even the legacy media aren't believing it now they're saying
00:03:50.500 look uh we had 10 years of harper government there were no changes to abortion under that the leader
00:03:56.120 pierre polliver has been very clear about uh where he scanned saying he won't like slain on abortion
00:04:02.040 so they pushed back a bit which was good to see i i also have to laugh and say there seems to be an
00:04:07.080 awful lot of men in the liberal women's caucus based on that photo uh or maybe they choose to identify
00:04:12.960 as women now that that could be i guess uh what it is too i think you raise a good point and also
00:04:19.060 you're correct the mainstream media actually did push back on this they don't often push back on
00:04:22.860 this but there's actually some good questions let's go a little bit to that back and forth that we saw
00:04:26.980 between the minister speaking and the liberal mp speaking and some of the questions from reporters
00:04:32.340 in the room were actually really challenging the uh women's caucus as you mentioned and some of their
00:04:36.780 points let's play that clip now harper government had 10 years i know you weren't here many of us
00:04:43.760 were 10 years in power they had four years of the majority didn't move one bit and they had private
00:04:48.520 members who wanted to do things and do things gosh you are all 30 points down the polls i'm looking
00:04:54.720 to some of you will not get re-elected if there was an election this fall how this is the most cynical
00:04:59.720 play to just throw the abortion scare tactic would you like to respond to that observation absolutely
00:05:04.700 it's not a scare tactic we've seen what's happened in the states do people really think roe versus
00:05:09.320 wave would have been overturned do we think what was happening there was going to happen i've been
00:05:12.960 in the women's movement for over 50 years it is not a scare tactic things are going backwards not
00:05:18.200 only in canada but around the world and these are real risks for canadians we need to know very clearly
00:05:24.120 that that party police put for the convention individual members are not going to introduce things
00:05:30.420 because we do not want to go the same way as the united states so it is not a scare tactic it is a
00:05:35.240 very strong concern and i may not have been here then but i was other places working on women's
00:05:40.760 rights okay so do not use that as a as a reason why it's not a scare tactic last question let's just
00:05:47.120 put it back the other way the government hasn't also legislated to protect abortions either right so
00:05:52.040 why doesn't your government introduce legislation to make it harder for that to get rolled back in
00:05:56.720 when there if there is a conservative government you do not want to legislate woman's body you do 0.70
00:06:05.220 not legislate woman's body that is not you make sure that you have access to abortion you don't want 0.99
00:06:13.240 to legislate anybody's body particularly woman's even if that is to protect the right to choose like 0.79
00:06:19.520 you're calling no you don't want to legislate your ovaries your readers no that is not the way that
00:06:27.720 you protect women's rights i find these clips so difficult to listen to you don't want to legislate
00:06:33.500 women's bodies they always forget when they make these arguments that when we're talking about 1.00
00:06:36.880 abortion there's two bodies at play here there's also the little baby that's growing inside its 0.99
00:06:41.940 mother totally innocent helpless little child but of course liberals don't want to acknowledge that
00:06:46.540 reality that first question there from the reporter was very interesting though he was actually very
00:06:50.280 indignant you could see that even the legacy media is tired of this ploy from the liberals he actually
00:06:54.920 even said to them oh you know you guys are down 30 points i mentioned earlier they're down pretty
00:06:58.860 consistently 20 points but he even went to say 30 points now what do you think that this is simply
00:07:03.320 just the liberals trying to distract because they are doing so poorly in the poll numbers or do you
00:07:07.900 think there's something more at play here oh yeah absolutely they're trying to distract i mean if an
00:07:13.380 election were held today more than half of the liberal caucus uh would lose their seat so it is
00:07:18.740 within their best interest to try and uh lie and portray the conservatives as you know some crazy
00:07:25.040 uh christian radicals who want to roll back women's rights but the fact of the matter is this uh on uh
00:07:31.240 pure polyev's campaign trail when he was campaigning for the conservative leadership he made it very clear
00:07:35.660 that he would not seek to legislate uh abortions in any way shape or form and to my dismay and your
00:07:42.360 dismay uh he will not be taking on uh this issue and you know for good it's for good reason i think
00:07:48.120 the pro-life movement in canada has a lot of work to do uh to make uh abortion restrictions more popular
00:07:54.980 in canada but yeah pure polyev has never said at all that he wants to uh legislate abortions he said
00:08:01.440 the opposite and uh in fact and when the reporters question um that liberal mp is on this they just talk
00:08:08.380 about you know not not making uh not trying to scare the canadian public and then they immediately
00:08:13.520 talk about the united states a completely different country with you know you know different legal
00:08:17.860 jurisdiction and a different judicial system uh you know they talk about roe v wade where canada
00:08:22.940 doesn't really have an equivalent of roe v wade you could point to rv morgenthaler in 1988 and 1993
00:08:29.180 uh but those uh court decisions don't necessarily say that uh you can't uh legislate abortion in any
00:08:36.760 way whereas uh roe v wade it was sort of the the gates that held back the flood of democratic choice
00:08:42.900 uh in the united states so i don't think that a there is a really big constituency that wants to see
00:08:48.840 abortion regulated even if you and i want to see that rachel and b uh pure polyev has no desire to do 0.99
00:08:54.880 this uh and you know even if one of his private uh private members bill hits the house of commons
00:09:00.560 uh and the government votes against it uh and i'm pretty sure all liberal mps and ndp mps would
00:09:06.060 vote against it uh there's just no way uh that sort of bill would pass um in parliament so it is a
00:09:12.780 liberal scare tactic no matter what they say yeah so those liberals mps are saying you know pure polyev
00:09:18.700 if in government he would use the notwithstanding clause to ban abortion he personally wants to
00:09:23.120 legislate to make abortion illegal of course his office has responded and said that isn't the case
00:09:26.680 but i think you raise a really good point here noah that the liberals are saying that you know
00:09:31.160 the liberals are being accused of fear-mongering and they say no no we're not fear-mongering look
00:09:34.400 at what's happening in the united states and by doing that they themselves are fear-mongering
00:09:38.240 because it's a totally different country it's run very differently the pro-life movement is much
00:09:42.140 stronger in the u.s and the liberals always seem to revert back to this when they are trying to scare
00:09:47.240 canadians oh we've got trumpism style canadians we all remember that sort of infamous video when
00:09:51.920 peer polyev was being interviewed while he was in western canada and you know he was accused of
00:09:57.300 bringing trump style politics to canada and he was saying oh who's saying this who's saying that i'm
00:10:01.640 like trump and the reporter had really had no basis no way of backing this up one of the other things
00:10:06.520 that kind of comes to mind with this is that we know peer polyev in the polls has struggled a little
00:10:10.660 bit with sort of uh middle class women in the toronto gta area of course that's always a battleground 1.00
00:10:16.280 in federal elections we know the conservatives are going to be looking to that after we saw those poll
00:10:20.060 numbers come out we sort of saw peer polyev get a makeover stopped wearing the glasses maybe was
00:10:24.240 wearing a little bit of face makeup there were some accusations that i have no idea if this is true
00:10:28.440 not that he was even wearing one of those like under coatings under his shirt that has like the
00:10:31.960 fake muscles and stuff you know all this from from liberals probably isn't true it was sort of funny
00:10:36.420 to watch at the time but william what do you make of this is this really just more of the liberals
00:10:40.080 tactics tried to make peer polyev unpopular with a specific group of people in canada because they are
00:10:45.620 seeing their poll numbers and they're getting a little worried for the next federal election
00:10:48.320 yeah i mean i think you're absolutely right and it's interesting the liberal government has always
00:10:54.860 reached for it seems two issues when they were trying to quote unquote scare back their supporters
00:11:00.420 one was abortion the other was guns and gun control and i think you've seen in both cases those wells
00:11:06.880 have run dry there is no legitimate fear on the part of everyday canadians uh on either of the
00:11:13.380 conservative approach to uh either gun control or abortion uh you are completely right count is very
00:11:19.580 different than the united states we have a much less uh influential and uh wide-ranging pro-life
00:11:26.100 movement we don't have the same uh pro-life politics that exist uh in the republican party that does in the
00:11:33.860 conservative party and uh less of a canadian appetite for any change on this so for the liberals to
00:11:39.600 keep going back to it it really shows how out of ideas they are they they put forward their budget
00:11:45.160 it was an absolute flop that didn't move a single supporter back into their camp they've said they're
00:11:50.360 all about building houses not a single house has been built under new liberal programs so what they're
00:11:55.160 going to is what's always worked before but i think this time again as i said that well has just run dry
00:11:59.980 and as a government let me just say as a government that's been in power for over nine years uh you
00:12:07.540 know and the reporter mentioned this they had so much opportunity to legislate abortion rights into
00:12:12.900 canadian law but uh they have not done that and uh you know the really crappy retort that one of the
00:12:18.660 mps gave is oh we will not uh legislate uh women's bodies and you know starts mentioning uh specific
00:12:24.740 parts but you know we did this all the time you know with the canada health act and uh various other
00:12:29.800 laws we legislate people's bodies all the time you know i mean that's what they did during the
00:12:34.380 pandemic when they're forcing people to uh get uh vaccines much unless they want to you know have
00:12:40.720 their rights severely restricted i mean we legislate people's bodies all the time so to act like this is
00:12:46.740 something that is beyond the pale that we cannot you know uh reach this uh measure as a canadian
00:12:53.660 society it is ridiculous we do this all the time uh and you know just saying it over and over again
00:12:59.720 we will not legislate women's bodies i'm not going to do anything you're just wrong you know yeah it's 0.99
00:13:05.600 just one of their classic talking points completely ignoring the fact that the right to life is one of
00:13:09.380 the most basic human rights whether that's in stride in a constitution or a charter or whatever
00:13:13.300 that is a basic right that we all inherently have and that right is stolen from babies before they're
00:13:18.080 even out of the womb but of course as we mentioned they conveniently ignore these realities time and time
00:13:22.440 again of course ignoring reality is sort of becoming more commonplace for the liberals now we've talked
00:13:26.980 a lot about this story being a distraction for their low polling numbers they also had some other
00:13:31.200 bad news for meta this week william why don't you break down that story for us yeah well as you know
00:13:36.660 um the liberal government's online news act came in force last year and it sought to make big tech
00:13:43.660 companies specifically google and meta who owns facebook and instagram uh have to pay news publishers
00:13:50.160 for the privilege of having their content posted on their platforms google said well we don't really
00:13:57.020 like this but okay we'll give you a hundred million dollars a year in order to uh get you off our backs
00:14:02.940 i think meta simply decided they had enough and meta said fine we won't include any canadian news content
00:14:08.600 on our platforms and here we are now you know coming up on eight or nine months after that law was
00:14:14.860 implemented and the clear winner here uh has been meta and the reasons we can cite is first of all
00:14:21.260 uh canadians and record numbers are still signing up to meta properties to facebook instagram
00:14:26.480 viewership readership usership of these platforms hasn't declined and advertising revenue has continued
00:14:33.260 to grow i think something like 19 percent year over year uh compared to it because meta's always said
00:14:39.200 it isn't a news platform it doesn't really see a lot of traffic because of news content and in fact
00:14:46.300 the people who really benefit from having news content posted on instagram and facebook are the
00:14:52.420 news companies who get vast more amounts of exposure and that's true if you look at especially small
00:14:58.560 and independent media outlets they've seen massive drops you know calamitous drops in their exposure
00:15:05.280 after the meta and in-depth ban getting them off facebook and instagram so i think the government
00:15:11.280 should pat itself on the back say job well done our our new law to help the news industry has massively
00:15:17.940 hurt the news industry that's a great job everybody gets a cigar the really ridiculous thing about this
00:15:25.300 story is that we all knew exactly how this was going to play out because the same thing happened in
00:15:29.760 australia a few years back when they wanted to legislate this type of thing you know have facebook
00:15:34.540 pay news companies for already giving them a benefit by being able to share their you know
00:15:39.860 their work on facebook's platform and receiving lots of clicks and visits to the website that way
00:15:44.660 when that happened you know facebook in australia just said okay we're not going to allow link sharing
00:15:48.640 anymore and they briefly banned it now they were able to come to a deal with facebook at the time now
00:15:53.000 meta and sort of work through that but here in canada we've just been we haven't been able to
00:15:57.360 overcome that we can share our news now i know a lot of people have been able to find little
00:16:01.280 workarounds a lot of people i know i maybe shouldn't even say them so meta doesn't get
00:16:04.840 wind but you know you might post a a picture on facebook and then post the link in the comments
00:16:09.040 or something and just say look in the the comments below but obviously you know for an outlet like true
00:16:13.320 north who we did get a lot of business from facebook we did get a lot of clicks from facebook
00:16:17.300 now we have to find all these silly workarounds the reality is when people are scrolling on social
00:16:21.440 media they're just looking very quickly and you got to have that attention you got to have that
00:16:25.320 headline that's going to grab their attention and cause them to actually click on that story and take a look
00:16:29.420 so i would assume that this has just been a massive blow for us as well as some of the other
00:16:33.880 independent media outlets that you mentioned sure rebel has experienced you know um drawbacks western
00:16:38.680 standard william obviously you sort of run the operations maybe you could speak to specifically
00:16:42.640 what the impact has been for us at true north not being able to share our work easily on platforms
00:16:47.900 like facebook yeah i you know it's interesting we obviously like everybody else used meta tools we used
00:16:55.020 facebook we used instagram to reach uh large swaths of canadians with our content uh i i would say uh
00:17:01.760 one of the things that was great about uh facebook is that it allowed you to get in front of a very large
00:17:08.460 audience uh millions and millions and millions of canadians use it every day and it allowed you to
00:17:13.620 drive traffic to your videos to your news stories and to your other content but when we saw this bill
00:17:20.300 coming we realized that it would be a problem for us that if we were too reliant on meta properties
00:17:26.380 uh for our for our content we would be in trouble so we invested in uh building up our email list in
00:17:33.420 growing on properties like x and on making sure that people were visiting our website directly rather
00:17:39.200 than simply linking through to it through facebook and instagram posts and as a result we've been far less
00:17:44.640 impacted than i think some other organizations have it's it's still an it's still an issue we're still
00:17:50.680 seeing a decline in some of our key metrics but overall we've been far less badly hurt than than some
00:17:57.960 other entities you have to ask yourself if the if the bill is hurting news companies why wouldn't the
00:18:04.200 government recall it why wouldn't they drop it or at least retool it substantially uh in order to deal
00:18:11.820 with some of these problems and it seems now that they're just locked in a in a bitter personal
00:18:16.160 feud with meta and uh in between a liberal government on life support and meta who has record-breaking
00:18:23.040 profits my money is on meta who's going to win this fight no one so william obviously mentioned a
00:18:29.340 personal feud there but obviously with independent media being so impacted by this ban do you think
00:18:34.520 there's more of this do you think this is actually maliciousness on the liberal government's part
00:18:38.020 uh actively trying to harm independent media which has been so critical of their government
00:18:42.520 well i think it might be malicious on on behalf of the mainstream media who
00:18:48.980 lobbied for this legislation uh but i think it certainly is incompetence on the trudeau government's part
00:18:54.500 i i believe that you know no matter what they touch you know it just turns they have the reverse
00:18:58.920 might as touch instead of turning into gold it turns into uh human defecation so you know i really
00:19:04.620 think that the the liberals they try their best uh to make this legislation help canadian news i mean
00:19:11.040 that's what they they claim to you know be trying to do as much as possible you know giving millions
00:19:16.200 of dollars in media bailouts uh and you know passing bill c11 and you know this bill c18 i think they
00:19:23.780 generally genuinely thought that you know meta and google would just you know dump their pockets in front
00:19:29.580 of them and you know give out a bunch of checks to news media who are failing but at the end of the
00:19:34.540 day you know this is legislation that uh hurts local news outlets first and foremost the trudeau
00:19:40.600 government they claim uh to want to be able to support uh local news and you know they give billions of
00:19:46.640 dollars to the cbc to you know support local news who actually don't support local news but that's
00:19:51.620 besides the point uh but you know the the studies showed that uh local news outlets have seen a decline
00:19:57.360 in their audience by 86 percent uh and mainstream media they've only seen a decline about half that
00:20:04.560 so it is definitely not a bill uh not legislation uh that is helping uh local news outlets like the
00:20:11.960 trudeau government says uh and i think that you know the mainstream media when they lobby for this
00:20:17.140 legislation they have their own lobby uh that uh sites like our companies like post media and four star
00:20:23.360 uh they all contribute to you know this organization that lobbies the government i believe that they
00:20:28.060 knew that you know even if uh meta banned um uh being being able to see canadian news on their
00:20:35.060 platforms they still have their newspaper subscriptions uh people still know who they are from their
00:20:40.400 reputation build up built up over decades so they're more likely to just directly visit their website
00:20:45.600 uh there's a lot of other uh areas in which uh these legacy media outlets can make money uh and they
00:20:52.580 know that outlets like true north and other local media outlets uh they don't have the same resources
00:20:57.420 as them so uh it's sort of like how when you increase the minimum wage walmart uh generally benefits
00:21:03.380 because uh they have less competition in the mom and pop shops and the small to medium-sized businesses
00:21:08.860 so so i think that you know if the trudeau government had sort of any integrity and wanted to
00:21:14.280 follow through on their plan to help uh news media they wouldn't uh you know continue uh making this
00:21:21.160 uh legislation law they would try and revoke this legislation and bring something forward
00:21:25.960 that would actually help uh news media although i don't want them to try and help news media anymore
00:21:31.220 they've done enough uh they've destroyed trust in these institutions by giving them hundreds of
00:21:36.500 millions of dollars and they've destroyed their ability to actually reach an audience so maybe if they
00:21:41.200 didn't touch this file anymore that'd be for the best and when you talk about how this has been so
00:21:46.720 detrimental for local news the irony of is of course that the liberals are spending so much
00:21:50.860 particularly to bolster local news we know they spend a lot on news media in general as you mentioned
00:21:55.580 but they have sort of a local journalism initiative you guys have probably seen this in the paper for
00:21:59.960 audience if you're ever reading a newspaper and you see beside the author's names it says in brackets
00:22:03.960 local journalism initiative that means that reporter salary is directly paid for by the federal
00:22:09.300 government so while news media in general receives hundreds of millions in funding and subsidies
00:22:14.380 those positions are actually being paid for directly so you know have to always take everything that you
00:22:19.940 read and legacy media with a grain of salt but those positions are just being paid by the feds i think
00:22:24.180 it's so wrong that we're seeing that and yes now the federal government's spending all this money
00:22:28.280 on these positions and at the same time that they're making it impossible for canadians to find the work
00:22:33.040 that they're spending money paying for that we're spending money to pay for because we're actually the
00:22:36.420 tax payers thank you this doesn't make any sense at all william what do you think yeah i mean i we've
00:22:41.940 always said that if your job salary is dependent on the government how on earth can you possibly
00:22:48.660 fairly cover that government and hold them to account your media outlet who relies on government
00:22:54.400 subsidies government transfers government funding in order to keep the lights on and make payroll how on
00:23:00.480 earth can you critically cover that government hold them to account because you know you you need them
00:23:05.960 it's it's a an abusive relationship almost like between a drug addict and a drug dealer so um
00:23:12.600 as you know speaking for true north we would love nothing more than the government to fully get out of
00:23:19.160 the news business to leave us alone to let us do our thing and to uh stop meddling in something they
00:23:25.440 clearly don't understand but uh i'm not optimistic that we'll see any changes from this government they've
00:23:31.740 they've said that uh that you know they have no plans on doing it but i'm optimistic that a future
00:23:36.460 government may decide to roll back some of these truly disastrous changes and let us get on with the
00:23:42.120 business of uh reporting the facts and the truths of canadians well we're on the topic of social media
00:23:48.620 we have a big story from tiktok about from the tip from about tiktok this week a new report recommends that
00:23:54.440 the canadian government forced tiktok to divest from its chinese parent company bite dance or
00:24:00.080 announce a national ban to secure canadians from surveillance propaganda and predatory data collection
00:24:06.560 from the communist regime the mcdonald laurier institute reporter report titled china's glaring
00:24:12.820 trojan horse recommends that the federal government mimic the united states tiktok ban legislation by giving
00:24:17.500 bite dance the option to either sell tiktok to a suitable buyer or face a ban of the app in the
00:24:22.600 country okay so we all know that tiktok has been controversial because you know china is collecting 0.99
00:24:27.120 so much data on the people that have it downloaded on their phones and are using it do you think a ban
00:24:32.020 would be in the best entrance of canadians no i'm gonna let you go first well i think this is a really
00:24:39.180 uh a controversial issue because on one hand we have to balance uh two principles one principle being
00:24:45.800 order and the other being liberty the the on the order side uh we do need to ensure that canada's
00:24:51.480 national security is uh is its integrity is solid um and when we have uh countries like china uh that
00:24:59.480 are seeking to undermine canada's democracy canada's institutions uh and undermine even sometimes the
00:25:05.420 safety of certain canadians especially chinese canadians when we have a government uh doing
00:25:09.620 that in our country we need to take every step possible in order to secure uh the integrity of
00:25:14.180 our elections and the security of our people and one of the steps that can be taken is by actually
00:25:19.560 uh getting tiktok to be divested or banned and the reason being is that tiktok uh they have a lot of
00:25:26.420 mechanisms that is controlled by the ccp either directly or indirectly that would allow them to 1.00
00:25:32.380 manipulate sort of the information that is being promoted on that platform for for example i think a lot
00:25:37.420 of people have noticed that a lot of pro-palestinian content is being promoted on tiktok and a lot of
00:25:43.240 pro-israel content is not being promoted on tiktok and i believe that one of the reasons
00:25:48.200 for that is that it is in with it's within the chinese communist party's interest to promote
00:25:54.540 pro-palestinian content content that would divide canadians and get them to support uh or autocratic
00:26:02.860 islamic regime that uh you know engages in terrorism uh in a unique uh in a uniquely um often uh sort of 0.97
00:26:12.160 manner so i think that yeah tiktok does pose a threat however there is the uh the the principle
00:26:18.780 of liberty in that canadians should ought to be free to download whatever apps and use whatever
00:26:24.300 services that they want to use uh and i think that you know when uh governments are going around banning
00:26:30.360 certain uh social media platforms especially you know social media is supposed to be uh the sort of
00:26:35.800 new public square where people get together and share ideas uh and share you know all sorts of
00:26:41.580 things so when uh canadians are being restricted from accessing a public square uh that is sort of
00:26:47.980 uh something that should raise some concerns so i don't necessarily have strong opinions uh on this i think
00:26:54.800 you know if i were you know gun to my head you know choose something i think i would uh go ahead with
00:27:00.800 uh getting tiktok to be divested or have it banned but uh at the end of the day i think that this is
00:27:06.680 something that canadians need to be uh yeah this is a process that canadians need to be brought into
00:27:11.760 i think that um canadians ought to be informed about the benefits and the risk of keeping tiktok
00:27:16.920 legal in canada uh and an informed decision should be made from there yeah i mean and we talk about
00:27:23.160 social media sort of being the new public square i feel like that's mostly true of x where there is so many
00:27:27.440 different types of opinions and freedom of expression is actually allowed you know conservatives
00:27:31.080 can actually speak on x without worry about their accounts being banned the same can't really be said
00:27:35.520 for facebook or obviously then as instagram and certainly not tiktok in which conservative accounts
00:27:40.040 are usually banned very quickly upon making an account but one of the things to consider here is
00:27:44.940 you know this report is sort of lauding the efforts in the u.s to ban tiktok when we look at why
00:27:49.620 the u.s wants to ban tiktok the we also have to look at facebook if tiktok was banned that gives
00:27:55.180 just that much more power to facebook which owns instagram as we've mentioned you know a lot of
00:28:00.000 young people are on instagram a lot of people are on facebook without tiktok facebook basically
00:28:04.540 controls everything and in the last u.s election cycle we know that facebook was actively basically
00:28:09.220 campaigning for the democrats they actively suppressed the hunter biden lap stop story on
00:28:13.460 facebook so this would actually probably be a bad thing for the republicans long term i wonder if
00:28:19.120 the same thing can be said for canada would it be a bad thing for the conservatives if tiktok was banned
00:28:23.580 here william what do you think i you know it's such an interesting topic whether or not uh you know
00:28:30.200 we should be looking at banning or limiting one social media company versus the other i think probably
00:28:34.720 the user base for almost all of them is probably more skewing uh left than right more uh progressive
00:28:42.600 than conservative but uh occasionally i get invited to speak to grade 12 classes in social studies on
00:28:50.060 uh politics and government and uh you know one of the things i'm often told by by students they say
00:28:55.940 well nothing that's debated by politicians really matters to me i don't really care about this and i
00:29:01.420 say well what if they what if they ban tiktok how many of you have tiktok on your phone and of course
00:29:06.920 every single person in the class has tiktok on their phone so if you ever think the government can't
00:29:12.060 impact your your day-to-day life or something you personally enjoy wait till the government takes away
00:29:16.920 one of your favorite apps and then see uh about it but just in terms of uh the security risk of tiktok
00:29:24.660 we know china is a bad actor we know that this is a country uh that has interfered in our elections 1.00
00:29:30.860 that has been caught spying on other companies through technology that was one of the big concerns
00:29:37.220 we had about huawei and their activities uh you know both here in canada and other places it isn't
00:29:44.020 beyond imagination that they could use an app like tiktok to um for nefarious purposes to collect
00:29:51.500 information and then to go ahead use it in some way that is detrimental to uh canada and canadians so
00:29:57.600 you know on balance i think we we have to look and see what can be done to keep canadians safe and we
00:30:04.500 have to start approaching china more from the perspective that this is not a friendly government
00:30:10.200 this is not a government who wants to be an honest partner with canada this is a government with an
00:30:15.340 agenda and uh it will move forward with that you know and if it means uh bad things for canada in
00:30:22.300 the process well then they're going to go right ahead and do that so china is not our friend china 1.00
00:30:27.020 is a foreign government that we need to be taking far more seriously than we have been up until now
00:30:31.720 i don't know if we're going to necessarily see that serious tone come from the liberal government
00:30:37.400 this report also had an interesting note the prime minister in his cabinet could enforce this measure
00:30:42.700 without needing to pass any legislation through parliament they could instead simply invoke the
00:30:46.840 investment canada act which would bar investment considered an injurious to national security so it
00:30:53.120 wouldn't be that difficult for them to do this but we know that trudeau particularly hasn't taken
00:30:57.240 china seriously noah do you think we're going to see any movement from the federal government on this
00:31:02.280 report well i don't think so because i don't think it's within the liberal government's political
00:31:08.260 interest uh and if it's not within their political interest they're not going to do within the best
00:31:12.940 interest of canadians and the reason being is that the trudeau government they're seen as being very
00:31:17.760 fickle uh and being very soft on matters of foreign interference and for them to uh you know stand up
00:31:24.720 at a press conference one day and say you know on on the switch of a dime we're taking this uh issue
00:31:30.100 very seriously you know we're coming uh and we're going to bad tiktok i think it would you know
00:31:35.020 magnify scrutiny over some of their uh actions to for example not deal with uh the handong situation
00:31:42.120 very seriously they knew uh that he was probably you know put in that position with the help of the
00:31:49.020 chinese government uh and they didn't take any action they didn't take any action uh against foreign
00:31:53.580 interference in the 2019 and the 2021 uh general elections so uh just to put a magnifying glass
00:32:00.820 on the foreign interference issue especially uh with china at this time where their government is
00:32:06.520 already facing a lot of scrutiny i think that it is not within uh their political interest so they're
00:32:11.800 not going uh to move on this issue but if the the trudeau government they have more information about
00:32:18.020 this than any of us uh so they they probably know more than anyone whether or not this is a genuine
00:32:23.900 uh issue uh uh to national security if this is there's a general threat to national security that
00:32:30.400 tiktok poses uh and if they knew that this was a threat to national security they probably uh ought to
00:32:37.660 have acted on this already just like they knew uh that foreign interference from china and iran and
00:32:42.960 russia was a threat um many many years ago so i think it would just uh put a magnifying glass on 0.99
00:32:49.100 why they haven't acted on this sooner why they haven't acted uh strongly on other uh matters of
00:32:54.720 foreign interference and ultimately i think it would tank their polling numbers uh even harder if that's 0.90
00:33:00.620 even possible all right we've talked about national security we've talked about meta we've talked about
00:33:06.180 abortion and i promised you guys that it was going to be a lighter show we haven't really delivered
00:33:09.900 luckily we did save one hilarious story for the very end that should make up for all the heavy
00:33:14.640 content that we had earlier in the show noah take it away all right so uh i'm glad to be talking about
00:33:22.140 this story because uh we're talking about group sex parties uh that's right there is this club in calgary
00:33:29.400 uh in 2015 that received a complaint uh to the city uh basically there was a complaint that there was
00:33:36.420 sex parties and it took the uh the city four years to act but after four years they they were given a
00:33:42.740 stop order because uh they were hosting at someone's home at someone's calgary home uh group sex parties
00:33:48.800 um you know the i guess the specific term is ethical non-monogamous uh sex parties at uh this health
00:33:55.600 house in the northwest uh community of silver springs and they called it club menage um so on a bi-weekly
00:34:02.660 basis every two weeks uh about 20 to 50 people will gather to this house and um really uh duke it out
00:34:09.920 you know they would uh they'd go to town on one another uh and you know i think this uh raises
00:34:16.300 a lot of different concerns first of all about the type of um let's just say uh diseases uh the type of
00:34:25.260 uh uh immunity uh compromising sort of uh viruses that might be going around the community uh but
00:34:32.340 also just raises concerns that um you know your neighbor perhaps uh could just one day decide to
00:34:38.420 open a club uh beside your house and on a bi-weekly basis yet here strange noises coming out of the top
00:34:45.620 floor of their um home so i i believe a uh court they uh found that uh the city uh is not necessarily
00:34:56.680 allowed to if this was uh an establishment uh put up on commercial uh on a commercial property that
00:35:03.780 there would be no problem uh with club menage be opening the only problem with club menage is that
00:35:08.560 they opened this uh this establishment uh in a residential uh area so uh guys i i don't necessarily
00:35:17.140 have much experience with sex parties so maybe you guys could provide some more insight into this
00:35:22.060 maybe uh you you can but william but um what what do you guys believe uh think of uh the sex parties in
00:35:29.940 uh resident in calgary's uh residential area well to start the judge actually ruled that these can
00:35:36.180 continue so long as it's not called a club if they're just sort of parties and not labeled club
00:35:40.460 they're allowed to continue but uh you know stories like these are pretty much why i'm a social
00:35:46.700 conservative not a libertarian i think that this should just be banned especially in a residential
00:35:51.360 area i can't imagine you know you've got a young family raising kids and this is sort of the depraved
00:35:56.720 activity that's going on next door you know as i said on my show alberta roundup uh today i think uh
00:36:02.600 might see some homes go up for sale in silver springs and you might get one for cheap because
00:36:07.100 probably no one's going to want to live around this but uh you're certainly going to be taking
00:36:11.280 your share of hits for living there william what do you think yeah i mean if you walked into that
00:36:16.880 house i bet there's a home that has plastic on all the furniture uh 20 to 50 people in a single
00:36:22.860 home engaged in a group sex activity that's uh that is definitely not a recipe for hygiene uh
00:36:29.140 look i i think that um you know generally we ask government to stay out of our our personal lives
00:36:36.820 and out of our homes and you know have they simply been having uh extracurricular fun with a smaller
00:36:44.840 group of people and not calling it a club uh i'm not sure anybody even would have noticed what was
00:36:51.720 going on it could have just looked like uh someone having a party but uh you know the fact that
00:36:57.580 there are 20 to 50 people that's an awful lot of people think of the traffic uh i mean that's the
00:37:04.180 size of a of a university house party 50 people crammed into a single a single place that's quite
00:37:10.380 a disruptive activity and then to operate as a commercial enterprise um in a private home means
00:37:16.500 they're not having to adhere to any of the any of the rules that are established for commercial
00:37:21.560 enterprises with regards to to cleanliness and you know do you have enough bathrooms for 50 people
00:37:27.440 do you have uh all of the things that businesses would be held to so i'm not convinced that the
00:37:33.520 biggest issue was uh their choice of activity so much as the number of people involved and how they
00:37:41.200 charge to do i mean they were charging is my understanding too they were charging quote unquote
00:37:45.800 membership fees to participate uh so it's interesting i guess um you know you never really know
00:37:52.940 what goes on in your neighbor's house you uh uh but if you see 50 people showing up every two weeks
00:37:59.660 and uh coming out with big smiles on their faces i guess maybe you have an idea of what's going on in
00:38:04.900 northwest calvary i i want to like i want to put out where a provincial legislature could legislate on
00:38:12.240 this matter i mean first of all the person drafting up legislation would you know just be tearing their hair
00:38:18.540 out and you know it would it wouldn't be a great fun unless you're you're into this kind of thing
00:38:23.080 then uh you know it might be great fun but like do you just like if you're a neighbor of these people
00:38:28.660 do you like file a noise complaint like once once every two weeks do you uh you know perhaps a lobby
00:38:34.960 for a bylaw to be passed where you're only allowed to have sex parties up to 25 people or something like
00:38:39.920 that you know to really keep it down if you're attending a sex party you're not allowed to park on the
00:38:45.460 street or something like that maybe that'd be a a good way to discourage uh this sort of behavior
00:38:51.280 but you know what's even more concerning to me about the rather than just the sex parties that
00:38:55.500 it took the city four years to get around to this issue i mean the original complaint by neighbors
00:39:01.240 was filed in 2015 and then it took all the way until 2019 for a stop order uh to be issued by by the
00:39:08.840 city i mean imagine you're the neighbor you had to deal with that for four years straight and you
00:39:13.760 asked the city four years ago to to take some action on this and they just haven't done anything
00:39:18.560 so you know uh once a week on uh uh on every other friday night you know you're trying to sit down with
00:39:25.060 your wife have some wine eat a nice dinner and then you know you hear strange noises coming from the
00:39:29.440 left it's like oh yeah that is well the good news is that they had they had four years to put their
00:39:35.540 house up for sale and even longer before this you know address and neighborhood became public before
00:39:39.700 anyone else what they were getting themselves into i think we need to yeah but if it decreases
00:39:46.020 proper value once everyone knew about it but beforehand i mean people who are coming to view
00:39:50.060 your home probably aren't coming to view it in the hours of 12 a.m to 4 a.m so still could have gone
00:39:55.740 out of there pretty easily all right everyone we're gonna have to come up with some more lighter
00:39:59.720 stories for you guys if you could drop some suggestions in the comments below we'll take a
00:40:02.820 look at that for next week don't forget that everything you heard today was off the record
00:40:06.680 william if i made a tiktok account realistically how long do you think it would take before it got
00:40:19.420 banned well i my understanding is tiktok doesn't ban for political reasons very often in fact the
00:40:28.620 biggest thing that gets people banned from tiktok is nudity or sexually explicit content as with
00:40:35.460 every app there is a large cohort of people who use tiktok to sell adult services only fan subscriptions
00:40:42.760 and everything else like that so tiktok spends an awful lot of its time issuing takedown orders to
00:40:48.140 uh people who violate its nudity and sexuality things so as long as you're not doing that you're
00:40:53.200 probably fine i can't live in the sex parties that's that's unfortunate those ethical
00:40:58.520 non-monogamy parties are in trouble