Liberals resort to abortion scare tactics
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In this week's Off The Record Friday's Fun Show, I'm joined by William McBeth, Noah Jarvis, and William Mebeth to discuss the latest abortion debate in Canada, and the strange press conference that broke out in Ottawa this week.
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your responsibility all right everyone let's get it started
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hey everyone welcome back to off the record friday's fun show andrew lotten is out of town
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in taiwan as you may have heard so i am filling in in his absence and i am joined by william mcbeth
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and noah jarvis thanks folks for joining me today guys happy to be here it's a pleasure to be on
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so it's been a spicy week in canadian politics actually it seems like there is probably not much
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going on and you always know that it's been a slow news week and when they're down in the polls
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when the liberals start talking about abortion the liberals are once again fear-mongering over
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abortion saying that the conservative leader pierre polyev if he was in government if he was in power
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he would make abortion illegal personally i'm pro-life i don't have a problem with this
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unfortunately pierre polyev has actually said he would do nothing to legislate it
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so the liberals don't really have much of an argument but they always seem to bring this up
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when they're down the polls and we have many polls showing them down by as many as 20 points
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still this has been what they've chosen to make the issue of the week about
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and there was a pretty crazy press conference that broke out in ottawa this week we're going to play a
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clip to show you what the liberals sounded like this week in ottawa i'm here representing the
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women's caucus and members of the little party and we've sent a letter to the leader of the
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opposition asking him to be very clear with canadians and in particular with canadian women
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on what he would do to defend a woman's right to choose we've seen that his caucus there are many
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anti-choice caucus members we've seen some of their actions recently including mp kathy wagenthal who at
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the pro-life rally held here last week said that women who have abortions end up needing redemption
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forgiveness and needing god we as women want to know whether the leader of the opposition will
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ensure that his caucus does not put forward legislation that in any way impinges on women's
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frights and redims in particular bodily autonomy so of course now the liberals are saying they're
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putting forward the dreaded letter which is what politicians always do when they don't really have
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anything else to do william what do you make of this why is this coming up again yeah i mean you've
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heard of the little boy who cried wolf well this is the little party that cried abortion it's every
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single time they're faced with uh policy criticism or sagging popularity they go to their only weapon
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left they try and claim that the conservative party in government would outlaw abortion but unlike in
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previous times i think you're seeing that even the legacy media aren't believing it now they're saying
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look uh we had 10 years of harper government there were no changes to abortion under that the leader
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pierre polliver has been very clear about uh where he scanned saying he won't like slain on abortion
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so they pushed back a bit which was good to see i i also have to laugh and say there seems to be an
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awful lot of men in the liberal women's caucus based on that photo uh or maybe they choose to identify
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as women now that that could be i guess uh what it is too i think you raise a good point and also
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you're correct the mainstream media actually did push back on this they don't often push back on
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this but there's actually some good questions let's go a little bit to that back and forth that we saw
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between the minister speaking and the liberal mp speaking and some of the questions from reporters
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in the room were actually really challenging the uh women's caucus as you mentioned and some of their
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points let's play that clip now harper government had 10 years i know you weren't here many of us
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were 10 years in power they had four years of the majority didn't move one bit and they had private
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members who wanted to do things and do things gosh you are all 30 points down the polls i'm looking
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to some of you will not get re-elected if there was an election this fall how this is the most cynical
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play to just throw the abortion scare tactic would you like to respond to that observation absolutely
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it's not a scare tactic we've seen what's happened in the states do people really think roe versus
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wave would have been overturned do we think what was happening there was going to happen i've been
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in the women's movement for over 50 years it is not a scare tactic things are going backwards not
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only in canada but around the world and these are real risks for canadians we need to know very clearly
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that that party police put for the convention individual members are not going to introduce things
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because we do not want to go the same way as the united states so it is not a scare tactic it is a
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very strong concern and i may not have been here then but i was other places working on women's
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rights okay so do not use that as a as a reason why it's not a scare tactic last question let's just
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put it back the other way the government hasn't also legislated to protect abortions either right so
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why doesn't your government introduce legislation to make it harder for that to get rolled back in
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when there if there is a conservative government you do not want to legislate woman's body you do
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not legislate woman's body that is not you make sure that you have access to abortion you don't want
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to legislate anybody's body particularly woman's even if that is to protect the right to choose like
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you're calling no you don't want to legislate your ovaries your readers no that is not the way that
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you protect women's rights i find these clips so difficult to listen to you don't want to legislate
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women's bodies they always forget when they make these arguments that when we're talking about
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abortion there's two bodies at play here there's also the little baby that's growing inside its
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mother totally innocent helpless little child but of course liberals don't want to acknowledge that
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reality that first question there from the reporter was very interesting though he was actually very
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indignant you could see that even the legacy media is tired of this ploy from the liberals he actually
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even said to them oh you know you guys are down 30 points i mentioned earlier they're down pretty
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consistently 20 points but he even went to say 30 points now what do you think that this is simply
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just the liberals trying to distract because they are doing so poorly in the poll numbers or do you
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think there's something more at play here oh yeah absolutely they're trying to distract i mean if an
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election were held today more than half of the liberal caucus uh would lose their seat so it is
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within their best interest to try and uh lie and portray the conservatives as you know some crazy
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uh christian radicals who want to roll back women's rights but the fact of the matter is this uh on uh
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pure polyev's campaign trail when he was campaigning for the conservative leadership he made it very clear
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that he would not seek to legislate uh abortions in any way shape or form and to my dismay and your
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dismay uh he will not be taking on uh this issue and you know for good it's for good reason i think
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the pro-life movement in canada has a lot of work to do uh to make uh abortion restrictions more popular
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in canada but yeah pure polyev has never said at all that he wants to uh legislate abortions he said
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the opposite and uh in fact and when the reporters question um that liberal mp is on this they just talk
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about you know not not making uh not trying to scare the canadian public and then they immediately
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talk about the united states a completely different country with you know you know different legal
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jurisdiction and a different judicial system uh you know they talk about roe v wade where canada
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doesn't really have an equivalent of roe v wade you could point to rv morgenthaler in 1988 and 1993
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uh but those uh court decisions don't necessarily say that uh you can't uh legislate abortion in any
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way whereas uh roe v wade it was sort of the the gates that held back the flood of democratic choice
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uh in the united states so i don't think that a there is a really big constituency that wants to see
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abortion regulated even if you and i want to see that rachel and b uh pure polyev has no desire to do
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this uh and you know even if one of his private uh private members bill hits the house of commons
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uh and the government votes against it uh and i'm pretty sure all liberal mps and ndp mps would
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vote against it uh there's just no way uh that sort of bill would pass um in parliament so it is a
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liberal scare tactic no matter what they say yeah so those liberals mps are saying you know pure polyev
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if in government he would use the notwithstanding clause to ban abortion he personally wants to
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legislate to make abortion illegal of course his office has responded and said that isn't the case
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but i think you raise a really good point here noah that the liberals are saying that you know
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the liberals are being accused of fear-mongering and they say no no we're not fear-mongering look
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at what's happening in the united states and by doing that they themselves are fear-mongering
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because it's a totally different country it's run very differently the pro-life movement is much
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stronger in the u.s and the liberals always seem to revert back to this when they are trying to scare
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canadians oh we've got trumpism style canadians we all remember that sort of infamous video when
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peer polyev was being interviewed while he was in western canada and you know he was accused of
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bringing trump style politics to canada and he was saying oh who's saying this who's saying that i'm
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like trump and the reporter had really had no basis no way of backing this up one of the other things
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that kind of comes to mind with this is that we know peer polyev in the polls has struggled a little
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bit with sort of uh middle class women in the toronto gta area of course that's always a battleground
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in federal elections we know the conservatives are going to be looking to that after we saw those poll
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numbers come out we sort of saw peer polyev get a makeover stopped wearing the glasses maybe was
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wearing a little bit of face makeup there were some accusations that i have no idea if this is true
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not that he was even wearing one of those like under coatings under his shirt that has like the
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fake muscles and stuff you know all this from from liberals probably isn't true it was sort of funny
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to watch at the time but william what do you make of this is this really just more of the liberals
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tactics tried to make peer polyev unpopular with a specific group of people in canada because they are
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seeing their poll numbers and they're getting a little worried for the next federal election
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yeah i mean i think you're absolutely right and it's interesting the liberal government has always
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reached for it seems two issues when they were trying to quote unquote scare back their supporters
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one was abortion the other was guns and gun control and i think you've seen in both cases those wells
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have run dry there is no legitimate fear on the part of everyday canadians uh on either of the
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conservative approach to uh either gun control or abortion uh you are completely right count is very
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different than the united states we have a much less uh influential and uh wide-ranging pro-life
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movement we don't have the same uh pro-life politics that exist uh in the republican party that does in the
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conservative party and uh less of a canadian appetite for any change on this so for the liberals to
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keep going back to it it really shows how out of ideas they are they they put forward their budget
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it was an absolute flop that didn't move a single supporter back into their camp they've said they're
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all about building houses not a single house has been built under new liberal programs so what they're
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going to is what's always worked before but i think this time again as i said that well has just run dry
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and as a government let me just say as a government that's been in power for over nine years uh you
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know and the reporter mentioned this they had so much opportunity to legislate abortion rights into
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canadian law but uh they have not done that and uh you know the really crappy retort that one of the
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mps gave is oh we will not uh legislate uh women's bodies and you know starts mentioning uh specific
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parts but you know we did this all the time you know with the canada health act and uh various other
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laws we legislate people's bodies all the time you know i mean that's what they did during the
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pandemic when they're forcing people to uh get uh vaccines much unless they want to you know have
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their rights severely restricted i mean we legislate people's bodies all the time so to act like this is
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something that is beyond the pale that we cannot you know uh reach this uh measure as a canadian
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society it is ridiculous we do this all the time uh and you know just saying it over and over again
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we will not legislate women's bodies i'm not going to do anything you're just wrong you know yeah it's
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just one of their classic talking points completely ignoring the fact that the right to life is one of
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the most basic human rights whether that's in stride in a constitution or a charter or whatever
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that is a basic right that we all inherently have and that right is stolen from babies before they're
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even out of the womb but of course as we mentioned they conveniently ignore these realities time and time
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again of course ignoring reality is sort of becoming more commonplace for the liberals now we've talked
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a lot about this story being a distraction for their low polling numbers they also had some other
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bad news for meta this week william why don't you break down that story for us yeah well as you know
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um the liberal government's online news act came in force last year and it sought to make big tech
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companies specifically google and meta who owns facebook and instagram uh have to pay news publishers
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for the privilege of having their content posted on their platforms google said well we don't really
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like this but okay we'll give you a hundred million dollars a year in order to uh get you off our backs
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i think meta simply decided they had enough and meta said fine we won't include any canadian news content
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on our platforms and here we are now you know coming up on eight or nine months after that law was
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implemented and the clear winner here uh has been meta and the reasons we can cite is first of all
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uh canadians and record numbers are still signing up to meta properties to facebook instagram
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viewership readership usership of these platforms hasn't declined and advertising revenue has continued
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to grow i think something like 19 percent year over year uh compared to it because meta's always said
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it isn't a news platform it doesn't really see a lot of traffic because of news content and in fact
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the people who really benefit from having news content posted on instagram and facebook are the
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news companies who get vast more amounts of exposure and that's true if you look at especially small
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and independent media outlets they've seen massive drops you know calamitous drops in their exposure
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after the meta and in-depth ban getting them off facebook and instagram so i think the government
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should pat itself on the back say job well done our our new law to help the news industry has massively
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hurt the news industry that's a great job everybody gets a cigar the really ridiculous thing about this
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story is that we all knew exactly how this was going to play out because the same thing happened in
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australia a few years back when they wanted to legislate this type of thing you know have facebook
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pay news companies for already giving them a benefit by being able to share their you know
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their work on facebook's platform and receiving lots of clicks and visits to the website that way
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when that happened you know facebook in australia just said okay we're not going to allow link sharing
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anymore and they briefly banned it now they were able to come to a deal with facebook at the time now
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meta and sort of work through that but here in canada we've just been we haven't been able to
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overcome that we can share our news now i know a lot of people have been able to find little
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workarounds a lot of people i know i maybe shouldn't even say them so meta doesn't get
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wind but you know you might post a a picture on facebook and then post the link in the comments
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or something and just say look in the the comments below but obviously you know for an outlet like true
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north who we did get a lot of business from facebook we did get a lot of clicks from facebook
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now we have to find all these silly workarounds the reality is when people are scrolling on social
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media they're just looking very quickly and you got to have that attention you got to have that
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headline that's going to grab their attention and cause them to actually click on that story and take a look
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so i would assume that this has just been a massive blow for us as well as some of the other
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independent media outlets that you mentioned sure rebel has experienced you know um drawbacks western
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standard william obviously you sort of run the operations maybe you could speak to specifically
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what the impact has been for us at true north not being able to share our work easily on platforms
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like facebook yeah i you know it's interesting we obviously like everybody else used meta tools we used
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facebook we used instagram to reach uh large swaths of canadians with our content uh i i would say uh
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one of the things that was great about uh facebook is that it allowed you to get in front of a very large
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audience uh millions and millions and millions of canadians use it every day and it allowed you to
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drive traffic to your videos to your news stories and to your other content but when we saw this bill
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coming we realized that it would be a problem for us that if we were too reliant on meta properties
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uh for our for our content we would be in trouble so we invested in uh building up our email list in
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growing on properties like x and on making sure that people were visiting our website directly rather
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than simply linking through to it through facebook and instagram posts and as a result we've been far less
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impacted than i think some other organizations have it's it's still an it's still an issue we're still
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seeing a decline in some of our key metrics but overall we've been far less badly hurt than than some
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other entities you have to ask yourself if the if the bill is hurting news companies why wouldn't the
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government recall it why wouldn't they drop it or at least retool it substantially uh in order to deal
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with some of these problems and it seems now that they're just locked in a in a bitter personal
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feud with meta and uh in between a liberal government on life support and meta who has record-breaking
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profits my money is on meta who's going to win this fight no one so william obviously mentioned a
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personal feud there but obviously with independent media being so impacted by this ban do you think
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there's more of this do you think this is actually maliciousness on the liberal government's part
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uh actively trying to harm independent media which has been so critical of their government
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well i think it might be malicious on on behalf of the mainstream media who
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lobbied for this legislation uh but i think it certainly is incompetence on the trudeau government's part
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i i believe that you know no matter what they touch you know it just turns they have the reverse
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might as touch instead of turning into gold it turns into uh human defecation so you know i really
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think that the the liberals they try their best uh to make this legislation help canadian news i mean
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that's what they they claim to you know be trying to do as much as possible you know giving millions
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of dollars in media bailouts uh and you know passing bill c11 and you know this bill c18 i think they
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generally genuinely thought that you know meta and google would just you know dump their pockets in front
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of them and you know give out a bunch of checks to news media who are failing but at the end of the
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day you know this is legislation that uh hurts local news outlets first and foremost the trudeau
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government they claim uh to want to be able to support uh local news and you know they give billions of
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dollars to the cbc to you know support local news who actually don't support local news but that's
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besides the point uh but you know the the studies showed that uh local news outlets have seen a decline
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in their audience by 86 percent uh and mainstream media they've only seen a decline about half that
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so it is definitely not a bill uh not legislation uh that is helping uh local news outlets like the
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trudeau government says uh and i think that you know the mainstream media when they lobby for this
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legislation they have their own lobby uh that uh sites like our companies like post media and four star
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uh they all contribute to you know this organization that lobbies the government i believe that they
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knew that you know even if uh meta banned um uh being being able to see canadian news on their
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platforms they still have their newspaper subscriptions uh people still know who they are from their
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reputation build up built up over decades so they're more likely to just directly visit their website
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uh there's a lot of other uh areas in which uh these legacy media outlets can make money uh and they
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know that outlets like true north and other local media outlets uh they don't have the same resources
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as them so uh it's sort of like how when you increase the minimum wage walmart uh generally benefits
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because uh they have less competition in the mom and pop shops and the small to medium-sized businesses
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so so i think that you know if the trudeau government had sort of any integrity and wanted to
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follow through on their plan to help uh news media they wouldn't uh you know continue uh making this
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uh legislation law they would try and revoke this legislation and bring something forward
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that would actually help uh news media although i don't want them to try and help news media anymore
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they've done enough uh they've destroyed trust in these institutions by giving them hundreds of
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millions of dollars and they've destroyed their ability to actually reach an audience so maybe if they
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didn't touch this file anymore that'd be for the best and when you talk about how this has been so
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detrimental for local news the irony of is of course that the liberals are spending so much
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particularly to bolster local news we know they spend a lot on news media in general as you mentioned
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but they have sort of a local journalism initiative you guys have probably seen this in the paper for
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audience if you're ever reading a newspaper and you see beside the author's names it says in brackets
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local journalism initiative that means that reporter salary is directly paid for by the federal
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government so while news media in general receives hundreds of millions in funding and subsidies
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those positions are actually being paid for directly so you know have to always take everything that you
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read and legacy media with a grain of salt but those positions are just being paid by the feds i think
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it's so wrong that we're seeing that and yes now the federal government's spending all this money
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on these positions and at the same time that they're making it impossible for canadians to find the work
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that they're spending money paying for that we're spending money to pay for because we're actually the
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tax payers thank you this doesn't make any sense at all william what do you think yeah i mean i we've
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always said that if your job salary is dependent on the government how on earth can you possibly
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fairly cover that government and hold them to account your media outlet who relies on government
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subsidies government transfers government funding in order to keep the lights on and make payroll how on
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earth can you critically cover that government hold them to account because you know you you need them
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it's it's a an abusive relationship almost like between a drug addict and a drug dealer so um
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as you know speaking for true north we would love nothing more than the government to fully get out of
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the news business to leave us alone to let us do our thing and to uh stop meddling in something they
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clearly don't understand but uh i'm not optimistic that we'll see any changes from this government they've
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they've said that uh that you know they have no plans on doing it but i'm optimistic that a future
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government may decide to roll back some of these truly disastrous changes and let us get on with the
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business of uh reporting the facts and the truths of canadians well we're on the topic of social media
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we have a big story from tiktok about from the tip from about tiktok this week a new report recommends that
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the canadian government forced tiktok to divest from its chinese parent company bite dance or
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announce a national ban to secure canadians from surveillance propaganda and predatory data collection
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from the communist regime the mcdonald laurier institute reporter report titled china's glaring
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trojan horse recommends that the federal government mimic the united states tiktok ban legislation by giving
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bite dance the option to either sell tiktok to a suitable buyer or face a ban of the app in the
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country okay so we all know that tiktok has been controversial because you know china is collecting
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so much data on the people that have it downloaded on their phones and are using it do you think a ban
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would be in the best entrance of canadians no i'm gonna let you go first well i think this is a really
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uh a controversial issue because on one hand we have to balance uh two principles one principle being
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order and the other being liberty the the on the order side uh we do need to ensure that canada's
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national security is uh is its integrity is solid um and when we have uh countries like china uh that
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are seeking to undermine canada's democracy canada's institutions uh and undermine even sometimes the
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safety of certain canadians especially chinese canadians when we have a government uh doing
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that in our country we need to take every step possible in order to secure uh the integrity of
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our elections and the security of our people and one of the steps that can be taken is by actually
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uh getting tiktok to be divested or banned and the reason being is that tiktok uh they have a lot of
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mechanisms that is controlled by the ccp either directly or indirectly that would allow them to
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manipulate sort of the information that is being promoted on that platform for for example i think a lot
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of people have noticed that a lot of pro-palestinian content is being promoted on tiktok and a lot of
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pro-israel content is not being promoted on tiktok and i believe that one of the reasons
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for that is that it is in with it's within the chinese communist party's interest to promote
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pro-palestinian content content that would divide canadians and get them to support uh or autocratic
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islamic regime that uh you know engages in terrorism uh in a unique uh in a uniquely um often uh sort of
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manner so i think that yeah tiktok does pose a threat however there is the uh the the principle
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of liberty in that canadians should ought to be free to download whatever apps and use whatever
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services that they want to use uh and i think that you know when uh governments are going around banning
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certain uh social media platforms especially you know social media is supposed to be uh the sort of
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new public square where people get together and share ideas uh and share you know all sorts of
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things so when uh canadians are being restricted from accessing a public square uh that is sort of
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uh something that should raise some concerns so i don't necessarily have strong opinions uh on this i think
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you know if i were you know gun to my head you know choose something i think i would uh go ahead with
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uh getting tiktok to be divested or have it banned but uh at the end of the day i think that this is
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something that canadians need to be uh yeah this is a process that canadians need to be brought into
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i think that um canadians ought to be informed about the benefits and the risk of keeping tiktok
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legal in canada uh and an informed decision should be made from there yeah i mean and we talk about
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social media sort of being the new public square i feel like that's mostly true of x where there is so many
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different types of opinions and freedom of expression is actually allowed you know conservatives
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can actually speak on x without worry about their accounts being banned the same can't really be said
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for facebook or obviously then as instagram and certainly not tiktok in which conservative accounts
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are usually banned very quickly upon making an account but one of the things to consider here is
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you know this report is sort of lauding the efforts in the u.s to ban tiktok when we look at why
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the u.s wants to ban tiktok the we also have to look at facebook if tiktok was banned that gives
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just that much more power to facebook which owns instagram as we've mentioned you know a lot of
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young people are on instagram a lot of people are on facebook without tiktok facebook basically
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controls everything and in the last u.s election cycle we know that facebook was actively basically
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campaigning for the democrats they actively suppressed the hunter biden lap stop story on
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facebook so this would actually probably be a bad thing for the republicans long term i wonder if
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the same thing can be said for canada would it be a bad thing for the conservatives if tiktok was banned
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here william what do you think i you know it's such an interesting topic whether or not uh you know
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we should be looking at banning or limiting one social media company versus the other i think probably
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the user base for almost all of them is probably more skewing uh left than right more uh progressive
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than conservative but uh occasionally i get invited to speak to grade 12 classes in social studies on
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uh politics and government and uh you know one of the things i'm often told by by students they say
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well nothing that's debated by politicians really matters to me i don't really care about this and i
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say well what if they what if they ban tiktok how many of you have tiktok on your phone and of course
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every single person in the class has tiktok on their phone so if you ever think the government can't
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impact your your day-to-day life or something you personally enjoy wait till the government takes away
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one of your favorite apps and then see uh about it but just in terms of uh the security risk of tiktok
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we know china is a bad actor we know that this is a country uh that has interfered in our elections
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that has been caught spying on other companies through technology that was one of the big concerns
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we had about huawei and their activities uh you know both here in canada and other places it isn't
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beyond imagination that they could use an app like tiktok to um for nefarious purposes to collect
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information and then to go ahead use it in some way that is detrimental to uh canada and canadians so
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you know on balance i think we we have to look and see what can be done to keep canadians safe and we
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have to start approaching china more from the perspective that this is not a friendly government
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this is not a government who wants to be an honest partner with canada this is a government with an
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agenda and uh it will move forward with that you know and if it means uh bad things for canada in
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the process well then they're going to go right ahead and do that so china is not our friend china
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is a foreign government that we need to be taking far more seriously than we have been up until now
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i don't know if we're going to necessarily see that serious tone come from the liberal government
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this report also had an interesting note the prime minister in his cabinet could enforce this measure
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without needing to pass any legislation through parliament they could instead simply invoke the
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investment canada act which would bar investment considered an injurious to national security so it
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wouldn't be that difficult for them to do this but we know that trudeau particularly hasn't taken
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china seriously noah do you think we're going to see any movement from the federal government on this
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report well i don't think so because i don't think it's within the liberal government's political
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interest uh and if it's not within their political interest they're not going to do within the best
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interest of canadians and the reason being is that the trudeau government they're seen as being very
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fickle uh and being very soft on matters of foreign interference and for them to uh you know stand up
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at a press conference one day and say you know on on the switch of a dime we're taking this uh issue
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very seriously you know we're coming uh and we're going to bad tiktok i think it would you know
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magnify scrutiny over some of their uh actions to for example not deal with uh the handong situation
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very seriously they knew uh that he was probably you know put in that position with the help of the
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chinese government uh and they didn't take any action they didn't take any action uh against foreign
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interference in the 2019 and the 2021 uh general elections so uh just to put a magnifying glass
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on the foreign interference issue especially uh with china at this time where their government is
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already facing a lot of scrutiny i think that it is not within uh their political interest so they're
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not going uh to move on this issue but if the the trudeau government they have more information about
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this than any of us uh so they they probably know more than anyone whether or not this is a genuine
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uh issue uh uh to national security if this is there's a general threat to national security that
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tiktok poses uh and if they knew that this was a threat to national security they probably uh ought to
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have acted on this already just like they knew uh that foreign interference from china and iran and
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russia was a threat um many many years ago so i think it would just uh put a magnifying glass on
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why they haven't acted on this sooner why they haven't acted uh strongly on other uh matters of
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foreign interference and ultimately i think it would tank their polling numbers uh even harder if that's
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even possible all right we've talked about national security we've talked about meta we've talked about
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abortion and i promised you guys that it was going to be a lighter show we haven't really delivered
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luckily we did save one hilarious story for the very end that should make up for all the heavy
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content that we had earlier in the show noah take it away all right so uh i'm glad to be talking about
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this story because uh we're talking about group sex parties uh that's right there is this club in calgary
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uh in 2015 that received a complaint uh to the city uh basically there was a complaint that there was
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sex parties and it took the uh the city four years to act but after four years they they were given a
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stop order because uh they were hosting at someone's home at someone's calgary home uh group sex parties
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um you know the i guess the specific term is ethical non-monogamous uh sex parties at uh this health
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house in the northwest uh community of silver springs and they called it club menage um so on a bi-weekly
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basis every two weeks uh about 20 to 50 people will gather to this house and um really uh duke it out
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you know they would uh they'd go to town on one another uh and you know i think this uh raises
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a lot of different concerns first of all about the type of um let's just say uh diseases uh the type of
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uh uh immunity uh compromising sort of uh viruses that might be going around the community uh but
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also just raises concerns that um you know your neighbor perhaps uh could just one day decide to
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open a club uh beside your house and on a bi-weekly basis yet here strange noises coming out of the top
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floor of their um home so i i believe a uh court they uh found that uh the city uh is not necessarily
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allowed to if this was uh an establishment uh put up on commercial uh on a commercial property that
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there would be no problem uh with club menage be opening the only problem with club menage is that
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they opened this uh this establishment uh in a residential uh area so uh guys i i don't necessarily
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have much experience with sex parties so maybe you guys could provide some more insight into this
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maybe uh you you can but william but um what what do you guys believe uh think of uh the sex parties in
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uh resident in calgary's uh residential area well to start the judge actually ruled that these can
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continue so long as it's not called a club if they're just sort of parties and not labeled club
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they're allowed to continue but uh you know stories like these are pretty much why i'm a social
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conservative not a libertarian i think that this should just be banned especially in a residential
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area i can't imagine you know you've got a young family raising kids and this is sort of the depraved
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activity that's going on next door you know as i said on my show alberta roundup uh today i think uh
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might see some homes go up for sale in silver springs and you might get one for cheap because
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probably no one's going to want to live around this but uh you're certainly going to be taking
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your share of hits for living there william what do you think yeah i mean if you walked into that
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house i bet there's a home that has plastic on all the furniture uh 20 to 50 people in a single
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home engaged in a group sex activity that's uh that is definitely not a recipe for hygiene uh
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look i i think that um you know generally we ask government to stay out of our our personal lives
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and out of our homes and you know have they simply been having uh extracurricular fun with a smaller
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group of people and not calling it a club uh i'm not sure anybody even would have noticed what was
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going on it could have just looked like uh someone having a party but uh you know the fact that
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there are 20 to 50 people that's an awful lot of people think of the traffic uh i mean that's the
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size of a of a university house party 50 people crammed into a single a single place that's quite
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a disruptive activity and then to operate as a commercial enterprise um in a private home means
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they're not having to adhere to any of the any of the rules that are established for commercial
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enterprises with regards to to cleanliness and you know do you have enough bathrooms for 50 people
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do you have uh all of the things that businesses would be held to so i'm not convinced that the
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biggest issue was uh their choice of activity so much as the number of people involved and how they
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charge to do i mean they were charging is my understanding too they were charging quote unquote
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membership fees to participate uh so it's interesting i guess um you know you never really know
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what goes on in your neighbor's house you uh uh but if you see 50 people showing up every two weeks
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and uh coming out with big smiles on their faces i guess maybe you have an idea of what's going on in
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northwest calvary i i want to like i want to put out where a provincial legislature could legislate on
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this matter i mean first of all the person drafting up legislation would you know just be tearing their hair
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out and you know it would it wouldn't be a great fun unless you're you're into this kind of thing
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then uh you know it might be great fun but like do you just like if you're a neighbor of these people
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do you like file a noise complaint like once once every two weeks do you uh you know perhaps a lobby
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for a bylaw to be passed where you're only allowed to have sex parties up to 25 people or something like
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that you know to really keep it down if you're attending a sex party you're not allowed to park on the
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street or something like that maybe that'd be a a good way to discourage uh this sort of behavior
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but you know what's even more concerning to me about the rather than just the sex parties that
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it took the city four years to get around to this issue i mean the original complaint by neighbors
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was filed in 2015 and then it took all the way until 2019 for a stop order uh to be issued by by the
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city i mean imagine you're the neighbor you had to deal with that for four years straight and you
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asked the city four years ago to to take some action on this and they just haven't done anything
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so you know uh once a week on uh uh on every other friday night you know you're trying to sit down with
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your wife have some wine eat a nice dinner and then you know you hear strange noises coming from the
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left it's like oh yeah that is well the good news is that they had they had four years to put their
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house up for sale and even longer before this you know address and neighborhood became public before
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anyone else what they were getting themselves into i think we need to yeah but if it decreases
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proper value once everyone knew about it but beforehand i mean people who are coming to view
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your home probably aren't coming to view it in the hours of 12 a.m to 4 a.m so still could have gone
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out of there pretty easily all right everyone we're gonna have to come up with some more lighter
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stories for you guys if you could drop some suggestions in the comments below we'll take a
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look at that for next week don't forget that everything you heard today was off the record
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william if i made a tiktok account realistically how long do you think it would take before it got
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banned well i my understanding is tiktok doesn't ban for political reasons very often in fact the
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biggest thing that gets people banned from tiktok is nudity or sexually explicit content as with
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every app there is a large cohort of people who use tiktok to sell adult services only fan subscriptions
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and everything else like that so tiktok spends an awful lot of its time issuing takedown orders to
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uh people who violate its nudity and sexuality things so as long as you're not doing that you're
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probably fine i can't live in the sex parties that's that's unfortunate those ethical