Off the Record - Media goes into OVERDRIVE to attack Poilievre

00:00:00.000 obviously the title of this episode should be what color is noah's shirt

00:00:04.460 it's two shades of blue it's just blue and blue well phil and i said the bottom half was purple so

00:00:11.080 you guys are you know hold up the bottom more i feel like i don't

00:00:16.640 that's just it's just dark blue because it's like the same as my shirt which is definitely blue is

00:00:20.980 this like exactly you probably have some blue jeans that are like this color right

00:00:24.480 they both of your shirts look very purple to me andrews as well i feel you are the problem here

00:00:30.320 and not because originally you were trying to say that you know men can't you know detect color or

00:00:34.180 whatever but uh well i think one out of 12 that is colorblind so statistically there's a pretty good

00:00:39.540 chance that one of you is colorblind is a riveting man in a past life riveting is i don't see color

00:00:48.740 there who's progressive now folks all right let's get this started

00:00:52.040 hello and welcome to off the record we kick back take a lighter look at the week that was

00:01:06.740 in the news sometimes sometimes we go serious but we try not to too much this is the uh this is the

00:01:11.580 fun show of the week my show is all boring and whatever rachel's is a little bit more interesting

00:01:15.640 but this one we let loose and we talk about a few of the stories that may have flown under the radar

00:01:20.900 in the week previous it is friday so i hope you are set to have a wonderful weekend here i'm joined

00:01:26.480 by my colleagues noah jarvis who is a great journalist and does some work behind the scenes

00:01:32.260 at true north and also rachel emmanuel host of alberta roundup rachel noah good to have you back

00:01:38.460 happy to be here it's a pleasure to be on it's uh sure to be a great discussion well that's uh overly

00:01:44.240 ambitious i think although we did so we had noah on it was his debut last week and uh the people

00:01:49.260 uh were not displeased by it so uh how do you feel coming back oh uh feels great uh the conversation

00:01:55.860 we had last week uh it was fun uh i got a little uh chance to do this uh so i'm i'm sure it'll be

00:02:02.500 another great conversation and uh we'll have some uh serious talk but i'm pretty sure we'll also have

00:02:07.200 some uh laughs in between also i was listening to the daily wire this week and noah referred to me

00:02:12.660 as miss emmanuel no i'm pretty sure i'm like five years older than you you can just call me rachel

00:02:17.700 did you just name our own show at true north sorry yeah it's called daily wire oh yeah well the show

00:02:25.300 that it's modeled after all right rachel's never coming i i thought last week the great offensive bit

00:02:31.700 was noah and harrison talking about sports but now uh rachel is just calling us a a pale imitation of

00:02:38.540 the uh the daily wire all right ambitious shoes to fill nothing wrong with that all right but yeah

00:02:44.200 i did yeah i did enjoy that that you were like you became like a school marm in the episode with

00:02:47.980 just you know ms emmanuel it's like can i go to the bathroom please ms emmanuel well now that she's a 1.00

00:02:52.640 mother i feel like it's a bit more respectable you know i just have to you know treat her with that

00:02:56.600 elderly respect oh elderly respect all right if you're gonna call me mrs anything you should at

00:03:02.260 least figure out what my married last name is how about that noah you must be single sorry i i

00:03:08.380 definitely am yeah okay you're calling rachel elderly okay all right we're just gonna get into

00:03:13.340 this here because this is i know i am saving you from yourself here all right uh this uh story that

00:03:18.840 came out this we see rachel staring daggers at him now and i don't blame her uh this story that came

00:03:23.800 out this week uh speaking of staring daggers the liberals have been uh whipping up the alex jones

00:03:29.740 uh fanaticism here because they claim that uh pierre polyev and alex jones are in cahoot for

00:03:35.200 something somewhere somehow i don't quite get it but uh pierre polyev was campaigning through eastern

00:03:40.740 canada he saw a little protest of the carbon tax protesters who have been going for now 26 days

00:03:47.860 and decided to pull over and have a little chat with them this was uh he ended up touring their

00:03:53.280 camper take a look

00:03:54.280 so when i ask the tax then you guys are going to be able to go home

00:04:18.720 he doesn't want to get a picture beside the uh the f trudeau flag

00:04:32.260 so he's chatting with people that are out there and have been for a few weeks protesting the carbon

00:04:44.820 tax they've been going on for uh more than three weeks and you look at that video as i did when it

00:04:49.800 first went around and just saw pierre polyev talking to ordinary people but oh no no the liberals were

00:04:55.840 really really searching they were bent over squinting squinting squinting uh throw up that meme i got a

00:05:02.820 live shot of the liberal yeah that's the if you've seen that meme before you'll appreciate the humor

00:05:07.500 that's the liberals craning looking at every sticker that pierre polyev walked by and oh they found one

00:05:14.260 yes this is what they found if you zoom in and look really really closely uh yeah pierre polyev a hashtag

00:05:20.520 there that says save canada a peace sign a heart a cross a heart with uh what i believe says mem

00:05:27.440 which uh i don't know if it was supposed to say mom but uh whatever and then oh and then what's that

00:05:32.240 little one in the middle there the rectangle with a line through well that is the flag

00:05:36.960 of a fictional country called diagonal which has become a a community of sorts online it was started

00:05:44.360 by jeremy mckenzie you have some people in that group that have said some rather vile things and

00:05:50.080 not limited to making rape jokes about uh pierre polyev's wife anna so i i don't believe that he has

00:05:55.520 any time or respect or affinity for that group uh who by the way as i understand it wasn't even at the

00:06:00.360 protest someone who signed that camper uh what just put that on there it wasn't even like the guy who

00:06:06.000 gave polyev the tour was involved but that becomes the focal point of all of this so uh let's start

00:06:12.180 with you on this rachel you've covered these carbon tax protests in alberta that have been going on

00:06:17.580 and these are people that really just want the carbon tax gone so this far-right conspiracy of

00:06:23.480 sorts i'm not seeing have you no you're exactly right it's just people who are tired of the true

00:06:28.640 liberals they want the carbon tax gone if you were to go to the one down here close to my house outside

00:06:33.520 of calgary you would see a variety of signs of different types people are you know have a host of

00:06:38.200 complaints due to their government due to the world economic forum due to the un even a

00:06:42.140 couple signs you know people saying danielle smith should be out here so certainly you'll get a

00:06:45.600 wide variety of things but if you ask around everyone's there for one reason and that reason

00:06:49.800 is to protest the federal government's carbon tax this is of course another example of the liberals

00:06:55.520 grasping at straws you know they they don't like that uh peer polyev mingles with these people they

00:07:00.140 don't like the support that peer polyev has and certainly don't like to see him being so casual

00:07:04.460 you know it's so easy for him to go out and about and be among canadian people and he has a lot of

00:07:08.560 respect and admiration people are excited about him people are excited about what the conservative

00:07:12.300 party is offering and hopeful that the next federal election will bring about conservative

00:07:16.360 government whereas likewise when justin trudeau is walking around you have people booing him and

00:07:21.500 heckling him and we even had a case of people throwing stones at him at one point so yeah such

00:07:25.320 polar opposites with what you see among the two leaders when they go out in public

00:07:29.300 yeah that's a good point let me get your take on that noah because i know you've been at press

00:07:34.760 conferences when pierre polyev is there and uh they're not met with the protest that justin trudeau

00:07:40.140 is getting anytime he he goes somewhere and here you have him talking to people by the way not all

00:07:44.420 of them would have been supporters some of them might have been ppc supporters or otherwise not

00:07:48.400 interested in the conservatives but the idea of just turning that rather pure exchange into this

00:07:54.340 weird fringe far-right conspiracy just seems to be absurd and pretty desperate on the part of the

00:08:00.540 liberals oh it's absolutely absurd they're trying to link him to alex jones and now because of the

00:08:06.200 clip that came out a couple days ago they're trying to link him to diagonal as you mentioned it's a

00:08:10.820 fake country uh when trudeau said that at the press conference uh condemning uh polyev for uh meeting

00:08:16.980 with members of diagonal i had to laugh because you know they want a diagonal country from alaska to

00:08:22.180 florida uh which is obviously not going to happen they believe a bunch of wacky things and not to

00:08:27.100 mention the fact that pure polyev actually denounced these guys before they said awful things about his

00:08:31.740 wife uh and he condemned them so to try and link him with a diagonal it's just strange because you

00:08:37.260 could link him with like something that's actually real that actually you know people believe in uh

00:08:42.280 which diagonal is not one of those things i'm pretty sure those uh you know people capping out just put

00:08:46.780 that on their rv as a joke because uh that's what it is uh and you know it's kind of concerning that

00:08:51.340 uh people who are supposed to try and take themselves seriously like journalists

00:08:54.580 are politicians uh they can't uh differentiate between things that are serious and that things

00:09:00.460 that are fictional and you know should be taken as a joke uh you know dag dagelon is clearly a joke 0.99

00:09:05.320 and uh their desperate attempt to link him with uh it is just stupid you have better things to do go 0.93

00:09:11.160 govern the country you know uh you know try and uh you know actually listen to what the protesters are 0.96

00:09:15.840 saying rather than just trying to shout them down as extremists yeah since you mentioned it here was the

00:09:21.420 clip of justin trudeau responding to this which is really what made it a national story i think

00:09:26.440 hi michelle song with cbc news uh your opponent was photographed posing with anti-carbon tax protesters 0.70

00:09:34.420 flying f trudeau flags in that in the video pierre polyev is heard saying that you are a liar 0.99

00:09:40.340 and everything you say is quote bullshit can you can we get your response please 1.00

00:09:44.980 every politician has to make choices about what kind of leader they want to be 0.99

00:09:52.700 are they the kind of leader that is going to exacerbate divisions fears and polarization

00:10:01.220 in our country make personal attacks and welcome the support of conspiracy theorists

00:10:11.000 uh and extremists because that's exactly what pierre polyev continues to do not just when he you see him

00:10:18.600 engaging with members of diagalon but also when he refuses to condemn and reject the endorsement of alex jones

00:10:31.820 again they're still not getting over alex jones mentioning like one thing in passing on twitter

00:10:39.920 favorably about polyev a couple of weeks ago and then he sort of re-upped that uh the other day by

00:10:44.900 saying that oh he talks about a lot of things that that i agree with but rachel what's your take from

00:10:48.940 that clip i mean prime minister justin trudeau is so focused on the type of leader that pierre polyev

00:10:53.700 should be what about the type of leader that he is he's the type of leader that has bankrupted this

00:10:57.980 nation home prices are what 60 70 percent higher than they were when he took office people don't

00:11:02.700 have family doctors because of the number of people he's flooded into this country our hospitals 0.98

00:11:05.800 are a disaster canada is crumbling around us and all of us are very cognizant of that fact all of us

00:11:12.040 live that experience every day especially people my age group and noah's age group we are really

00:11:16.300 feeling the crunch and the impacts of justin trudeau's reign on our on our country and on our economy

00:11:21.240 and this is just another distraction they're trying so hard to play the same games they always play and

00:11:25.980 it's just not working like it used to work uh these these types of answers these types of questions

00:11:29.920 i think are falling on deaf ears i don't think canadians care i don't think canadians care

00:11:33.620 about the endorsement that pierre polyev received from alex jones these are just not the issues people

00:11:38.300 are focused on people are focused on really those bread and butter issues right now and uh i just don't

00:11:42.960 think trudeau is having the same impact that he used to have yeah go take take it away noah yeah i when

00:11:49.820 i see that clip i i just think it's funny it's like it's really funny that trudeau is taking

00:11:54.580 diagonals seriously like imagine if you know trudeau took the walrus or the rhinoceros party

00:11:59.700 seriously like it's like oh you know that rhinoceros party there they want to uh you know like i'm

00:12:05.980 amazed you i'm amazed you're old enough to know about the rhinoceros party are they even still a

00:12:09.820 thing no i don't think so but i'm i like i like it it was a good good deep cut yeah but it was like

00:12:15.820 you know if if like jonka chan back then took the rhino party seriously it's like what are you doing

00:12:21.440 you know like you know actually focus on things that are serious like actually focus about you

00:12:25.600 know the serious concerns that these protesters are talking about they want you to get rid of a

00:12:29.380 carbon tax that is uh making their cost of living you know a lot higher the issue here is actually

00:12:34.000 that trudeau finds his job boring so he doesn't want to focus on any of those things exactly like

00:12:39.100 even if you just look in the clip like you know his tie is not tied up you know all right you know

00:12:43.420 he's kind of disheveled it's like he's like sick of this job it's like i'm done with this yeah i'm

00:12:46.740 going to talk about you know some foolishness about diagon or whatever like he's completely

00:12:51.160 done with his job and obviously not taking it seriously uh sean uh did some real-time fact

00:12:56.620 checking our producer he says the rhinoceros party is technically around but uh he says no sign of

00:13:01.720 life since 2019 so i guess the uh the rhino has been declared extinct in canada uh five years ago

00:13:07.880 they harvested the rhino the rhino horn for ivory so yeah yeah no you can't do that no no trophy

00:13:13.500 hunting in uh in canada noah um but oh sean sean's still working he says they re-upped their

00:13:18.640 copyright in 2024 so maybe the the rhino party is gearing up for a comeback of some kind there's no

00:13:24.780 way they can do a worse job than what trudeau is currently doing so no i yeah no i think i think

00:13:28.900 the liberals are a joke political party so i i actually think that the joke political parties

00:13:32.880 you're right rachel would do a better job better than trudeau that can be their slogan they've got my

00:13:37.060 vote yeah or or at least it can't the rhino party it can't be worse that could be their uh

00:13:41.780 their tagline this was the other clip that you heard uh that reporter ask about it but the one

00:13:47.060 clip that really aggrieved some people uh for perhaps being unparliamentary from paulia

00:13:52.280 we tend to use you know delicate language on our other shows but i think on off the record we can be 0.94

00:14:15.620 slightly more irreverent so uh paulia there says everything justin trudeau says is bullshit uh i think 0.93

00:14:21.680 that uh more canadians would find they agree with that than are offended by it right oh no doubt no 0.93

00:14:28.440 doubt i mean he's not in parliament he's not actually in the house of commons he can talk like

00:14:31.360 a regular canadian which is exactly what he's doing there plus i think that especially egregious

00:14:35.880 circumstances require strong language and i think we can all agree that justin trudeau is a circumstance

00:14:41.040 which requires strong language yeah i mean like when the conservatives are in like their caucus room

00:14:46.860 you know they're probably using the same language and the liberals are in their caucus room they're

00:14:50.380 doing the same thing and same with the mdp i mean these are human beings who like you know

00:14:54.400 talk normally i think it's fine that he's allowed to you know curse there's no rule against uh mps

00:15:00.280 not being able to curse in their private lives uh curse word i mean i guess everyone get people get

00:15:07.060 weirdly pearl clutchy when someone they don't like uses it like remember when pierre trudeau himself

00:15:11.600 had famously sworn in the house of commons and when he was asked he had said no no i just said

00:15:16.500 fuddle duddle like that was the but it was like everyone does this so the idea that people like

00:15:20.780 pretend to get offended by it is is quite quaint i just wasn't you know i feel like it's become so

00:15:27.480 common and you know maybe there is a place to have words that are still considered swear words and not

00:15:32.260 to have them in regular language i do think like i said justin trudeau would be a place where we could

00:15:36.220 use that but i just wasn't even aware that it was still considered a swear word i just feel like

00:15:39.920 it's become so common well i mean well the reporter just freely said it when she was asking the

00:15:44.040 question like you know he he said everything you say is bs and uh uh again a lot of canadians were

00:15:48.620 probably like amen uh all right let's uh let's shift gears from the liberals and conservatives to

00:15:53.940 the ndp noah take it away yeah so basically jagmeet singh he's uh in desperate uh situation right now

00:16:01.500 because uh he signed on to the ndp liberal coalition and uh his polling numbers have not uh done well as a

00:16:07.840 result of that however he's taking this to he's taking his tactics to a new extreme now he's going

00:16:13.180 around lying that uh piripolyev wants to allow polluters to dump toxic waste into canadian waters

00:16:19.640 uh so now i guess you know piripolyev he wants to you know poison the fish and you know kill all the

00:16:25.040 people on the st lawrence uh river you know really appealing appealing that got dark i mean that's what

00:16:31.920 he makes it seem like you know he said quote he has spent a lot of time making it very clear that

00:16:35.840 piripolyev's approach to has uh no climate plan and that he's going to let big polluters dump toxic

00:16:40.800 waste in the rivers uh when did piripolyev say that well he didn't say that i think um he hasn't

00:16:46.800 you know mentioned that he's going to get rid of any environmental regulations besides uh bill c46

00:16:52.160 and bill c69 which does not prevent uh which those bills do not have wording that prevents uh polluters

00:16:58.320 from doxing uh dumping toxic waste into waterways uh but i think this story just really emblematic of

00:17:04.480 the fact that now the ndp they're really desperate we're about a year and a half away uh from the

00:17:10.080 2025 election if all things go according to plan uh and the ndp they have not been doing well in the

00:17:16.320 polls their polling numbers are attached to the liberals because they sign on an agreement and

00:17:21.460 they have to sign off on all matter all confidence motions uh in parliament uh so their their reputation

00:17:29.040 is tied to this uh dying liberal party so he has to make erroneous statements in order to say

00:17:34.480 conjure up some support but do you think do you guys think that this is gonna you know bring canadians

00:17:38.860 onto his side well i mean i totally agree that we shouldn't be dumping sewage waste into the water

00:17:44.740 i love swimming and i hate when i'm swimming in lake ontario and you're just kind of looking around

00:17:49.200 and you're like oh what's in this water with me it's just you kind of swimming lake ontario

00:17:53.580 yeah lots of people swim in lake ontario i think i don't mind cold water i love to swim i love swimming

00:17:59.560 in fresh water i wish that we had cleaner lakes in ontario when i'm home to visit that's always

00:18:03.800 something that kind of bothers me so you know i i agree with the policy but you know peer probably

00:18:08.040 have never said those things i think the question here is it's just interesting or noteworthy why can

00:18:13.460 jagmeet singh say these pure lies like he just made it up and he just gets away with it like we're the

00:18:19.120 one's kind of holding him to account here meanwhile peer polyev goes to a protest with some regular

00:18:24.580 canadians and we see the uh liberal staffers in the mainstream media really just leech on to the

00:18:29.500 fact that there was one diagonal symbol symbol there like we have a we have a leader of the

00:18:33.800 opposition he's just full on he's full on lying here and no one cares yeah and it's weird like i

00:18:38.800 remember when when donald trump was the president in the u.s you this idea of like the media fact check

00:18:43.780 became this whole industry you had that toronto star reporter daniel dale that was hired by cnn

00:18:48.700 and the fact checks when they when they were about trump were so hyper specific it's like oh

00:18:53.340 uh you know trump said unemployment was 4.2 percent but it's actually 4.3 percent like it

00:18:58.340 they really missed the point of it and then uh and then again when there are conservatives the media is

00:19:03.900 so passionate about just being so hyper technical and look facts matter but when the left makes comments

00:19:10.020 like this there's no one except in this case true north fact checking it and uh cosmon gerja our

00:19:15.280 colleague at true north who wrote that article uh reached out to the ndp and said hey what what is

00:19:20.060 the basis for this what's the policy that you're hinging this claim on and got no reply whatsoever so

00:19:26.420 uh in in that case i think it's clear that he literally is just making this up and you get to do

00:19:31.040 that when you're in the ndp or the liberals with relative impunity yeah i mean the reason why the ndp

00:19:36.520 didn't respond to our request for comment is because like they didn't make it they didn't base on

00:19:41.080 anything factual um the ndp they don't make a habit of responding to our request for comment

00:19:46.040 that's for sure but well yeah rachel has to like yell yell her questions at rachel notley uh to get 1.00

00:19:50.620 a response i did get a response the other week so maybe that policy has changed which my voice will

00:19:55.780 be thankful for the break hey who knows uh going forward but uh it just it just goes to show that

00:20:01.520 you know like they're desperate i think you know their rationale in their head is like oh you know

00:20:06.020 the he's a little purpley ev is like this hyper libertarian uh who wants to deregulate everything 0.93

00:20:11.260 and you know you know those libertarians they want to you know allow big corporations to dump

00:20:16.040 sewage into waterways right but like even the milton friedman who's like you know like a strict

00:20:20.460 classical liberal you know he wants to basically cut like most government uh agencies uh even he's

00:20:26.060 like yeah this is not like a good idea you're not allowed to dump toxic waste into waterways that you

00:20:30.260 know the public uses it's um i forget i forget the word he uses it's um has community effects

00:20:36.300 right so oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it has uh doing so would have community effects uh so you know even

00:20:42.720 libertarians uh don't agree uh that we should be able to do this i think you know you'd have to find

00:20:48.100 like some anarcho-communist who you know who wants to get rid of the government or whatever to uh

00:20:53.480 you know buy into that but nobody wants this to happen i think you know if pure polia was campaigning

00:20:58.280 on this he would lose in a landslide uh but he's actually gonna apparently win in a landslide

00:21:03.440 according to the poll so um you know maybe jagmeet singh should take a play a page out of his playbook

00:21:08.260 which is more harmful to canada toxic waste that pure polia will let be dumped into the sewer or 0.96

00:21:14.360 anything jagmeet singh says they're both forms of toxic waste i guess except one doesn't exist

00:21:20.740 because the policy doesn't exist you know that's a good question but i think uh jagmeet singh his toxic

00:21:26.800 waste really it's only you know affecting him and his party so uh i don't think that jagmeet

00:21:31.960 actually has any sway over canadian policy at all well he could he could this is like my long-standing

00:21:37.920 we all know he could but he doesn't yeah he could be like the most powerful figure in canada which i

00:21:43.300 mean you know haven't helped us but he he wields exactly zero influence he's the guy jack

00:21:47.460 if jack layton was in his position yeah if jack layton was in his position he'd you know he'd be

00:21:51.820 getting a bunch of ndp policies uh passed but uh jack layton would be like the deputy prime minister

00:21:56.720 by now if he were yeah if he had been yeah jagmeet singh he's only dangerous to himself so uh i don't

00:22:01.740 know if uh he can really uh make an evaluation there so if you're watching jagmeet which i highly

00:22:07.260 doubt we are trying to save you from yourself here find your power find your inner voice maybe read

00:22:12.540 uh sophie gregoire trudeau's new memoir and you can find some uh some empowerment tips in there

00:22:17.160 have you read that by the way yet uh rachel am i supposed to well i don't know it's it's like it's

00:22:22.540 it's that category of of you know literature for women i just didn't know if you were the i didn't 0.99

00:22:26.540 think you were the target demo but you never know how would i read it and i'll review it on this show

00:22:30.900 in a couple weeks you you we could do a dramatic reading of sophie gregoire trudeau's book i think

00:22:36.940 that would be very engaging maybe noah should do it though yeah i mean i think better justice i think i

00:22:42.420 would but i think i'd be more entertaining if noah did it oh yeah but i think i think i think i think

00:22:47.520 jagmeet really should because you know he's getting notes from uh trudeau's former partner to his you

00:22:52.540 know current partner right it's like hey uh it's part partnership tips you know i uh maybe i should

00:22:58.480 read it because i'm single but you know who knows i do not condone with the joke i think you were making

00:23:03.580 there uh noah i shall uh shall make a point i tried to dance around it i don't think uh i did

00:23:12.120 the best job with that people can clear from it what they will all right rachel save us go to the 0.98

00:23:16.280 next story all right so alberta premier danielle smith is coming under fire now for appointing a 1.00

00:23:21.760 so-called contrarian doctor dr gary davidson suggested that data collected from hospitals during

00:23:30.380 the covet 19 pandemic was exaggerated um so premier smith responded to this in the legislature

00:23:36.880 on tuesday and she said quote i needed somebody who was going to look at everything that happened

00:23:41.300 with some fresh eyes and maybe with a little bit of a contrarian perspective because we've only ever

00:23:47.060 been given one perspective i left it to davidson to assemble the panel with a guidance that i would

00:23:52.500 like to have a broad range of perspectives so i guess the only question here is is it still a

00:23:59.400 question that hospitals exaggerated cova 19 dad i thought we were all just sort of operating under

00:24:03.680 the assumption that that's exactly what happened well and the other point just to take a step back

00:24:09.260 here i wanted to ask about the why because in some ways it seemed like danielle smith has really wanted

00:24:14.940 to just move beyond this chapter and i was actually quite surprised that the government was doing a deep

00:24:20.160 dive into this yeah i mean i think a lot of us felt that way because she's expressed repeatedly that

00:24:26.460 it's time to move on and with some of the stuff that she'd promised about um you know granting amnesty

00:24:30.820 of course she realized that she wouldn't be able to do that but we've definitely seen the government

00:24:33.940 turn the page on this i mean the task force was initially created back in 2022 and we're still

00:24:39.660 waiting for the work on this so this is something that's been in in kind of the progress for a while

00:24:43.080 now we're just getting an update as to it but i know that a lot of her supporters i think are going

00:24:47.100 to be very happy to see that this is happening and are obviously very excited to see the results but

00:24:51.220 yeah like as to you know maybe danielle smith not really wanting to address these things this has been in

00:24:54.780 the works for a couple years now already okay and no what's your take on this are you optimistic or

00:24:59.320 do you think that at the end of it it just won't really matter well uh i'm of two minds of this i

00:25:04.040 think firstly you know the fact that danielle smith is you know using some of her political capital to 0.99

00:25:08.460 sort of push on this issue uh it is a good thing it seems as if you know it's been something she cared

00:25:13.260 about when she was running in the leadership race uh providing amnesty uh to those who were convicted

00:25:18.760 of i think covet fines uh was something she ran on uh and you know she's been uh quite vocal on this

00:25:24.700 issue so i think you know it's good that not only is she moving forward with this task force but she

00:25:28.720 appointed someone who was skeptical of the government narrative as were many albertans so

00:25:33.240 i think this doctor not only represents the many of the views of your average albertan uh but i also

00:25:38.300 think it would provide a much needed uh alternative perspective to the covet 19 narrative uh with that

00:25:43.500 said i think some of the concerns that rachel brought up were absolutely correct miss emmanuel brought

00:25:48.200 up were absolutely correct uh in that uh you know if this task force goes nowhere uh i think a lot of

00:25:54.680 the people who are affected by the copen 19 lockdowns and vaccine mandates will have no redress uh and if

00:26:01.740 we don't have you know a sort of uh definitive uh conclusion that the government sort of overstepped

00:26:08.420 in their use of these copen 19 uh mandates and powers i think when a future government wants to enact

00:26:14.860 these mandates of powers in 2040 uh for you know covid uh 40 or whatever uh there perhaps will

00:26:22.020 we won't perhaps learn our lessons uh from this pandemic and that's what really has me concerned

00:26:26.580 did much come rachel from the the review that preston manning did for the alberta government

00:26:31.960 well i just wanted to get back to what noah said and i think that it was um you know you raise a really

00:26:37.160 good point and also i would say you know one of the things about gary davison being in this position

00:26:41.400 is he's actually a doctor that has a lot of respect within the province i constantly were laid off

00:26:47.080 because they refused the covet 19 vaccine vaccine and they have a lot of good things to say about

00:26:52.260 him he was someone people felt like he really stood up for them so i think the fact that he is doing

00:26:56.160 this review and is leading it is kind of exactly what the province needs right now there is a lot

00:26:59.640 of people who are hurt and who are damaged by the policies that were put in place in alberta and

00:27:03.680 elsewhere of course and now that they have someone that they feel stood up for them that they can

00:27:07.080 respect doing this review i think is a really good way to build back that trust and of course we've all

00:27:11.000 seen the ways that our institutions have been broken and just the lack of trust in the democratic

00:27:15.260 process as a whole because of the way that our government has acted i would personally be

00:27:18.900 surprised if we didn't see any strong recommendations come out of this hopefully in you know 2040 or

00:27:22.780 whatever we're not seeing these types of recommendations i don't think the canadian people

00:27:25.800 would tolerate that any further but certainly when it comes to things like vaccine mandates i have a

00:27:29.900 feeling we're going to be seeing more here in alberta specifically that would present prevent

00:27:33.860 those types of mandates from happening again yeah and these things are important because you can't roll

00:27:39.140 back the clock you can't undo what was done i mean danielle smith did give her apology on behalf

00:27:44.580 of the alberta government to to unvaccinated people but it does serve as a useful document anytime a

00:27:50.380 government in the future if there's an ndp government in alberta say or even another province that wants

00:27:54.880 to go down this road to kind of hold up this thing and brush the dust off and say hang on like

00:27:59.100 we we have tried this before and this is what came of it so i think that's the issue is that the

00:28:03.800 government claimed the first time around that well we had no roadmap for this and we were just sort of

00:28:08.360 flailing in the wind and and now okay great you did it your way uh here is why you can never be

00:28:13.220 allowed to do it again yes exactly it just kind of makes me wonder what sort of crazy and new evil

00:28:19.360 things will be come up with to uh strip away our rights and freedoms i'm sure there's going to be

00:28:23.840 something else coming down the pipe don't give them ideas uh noah you've got the last word on this

00:28:28.480 yeah i mean uh if the alberta or if albertans ever elect another ndp government again i think uh

00:28:35.680 you know they they could remove some of the guardrails that perhaps uh premier smith will put

00:28:40.100 up but i think you know just to put up uh some guardrails to prevent some of uh these lockdowns and

00:28:45.640 uh horrific mandates uh would be appreciated by albertans to just make it harder make the ndp a future

00:28:52.420 ndp government make a political decision in removing that and expend some political capital

00:28:56.240 that way uh but i in in general i think you know what premier smith has been doing uh so far on the

00:29:02.160 covet 19 issue has been a lot but she's done her tact on this issue has been a lot better than uh bc

00:29:07.800 ontario whatever province you name it uh she's been uh better on this issue uh and so i think you know

00:29:13.600 i'm in ontario i would love doug ford to take some uh to take some tips from her you guys uh got it

00:29:18.880 real real nice down there in alberta don't you guys we worked hard alberta's calling this was the

00:29:23.820 whole campaign it's not about having it nice it's about it's about working hard to get the

00:29:28.560 politicians that you want and holding them to account well you guys work uh hard that's for

00:29:33.000 sure albertans work very hard yes all right uh well uh noah will be taking up residency in alberta

00:29:39.580 before long i'm sure we'll we'll have a new alberta roundup uh co-host there uh we try to end

00:29:44.420 thing on a bit of a lighter note each week this one it's actually quite ridiculous and absurd but

00:29:50.420 uh there's a humor in that uh this is from our colleague lindsey shepherd at true north canadian

00:29:55.440 university hosts event featuring stuffies poppet toys and crayons not for children but for adults

00:30:02.920 this is at quantland university in surrey bc they opened a so-called reduced sensory space during exams

00:30:11.380 so university students these are people aged you know 18 to 23 and up can uh hang out in between

00:30:17.380 exams and play with plushies crayons stim toys which are reversible octopuses or is it octopi octopities

00:30:27.800 and fidget poppers which i think are like it's a weird like silicon bubble wrap type thing that you

00:30:33.380 you i don't know why i'm doing this but that you pop uh it's a fully inclusive and supported space the

00:30:38.820 university says uh they provide environments for people to decompress and have much needed breaks

00:30:43.540 from overwhelming sensory input uh like noise and crowds uh smells lighting strong emotions and

00:30:49.400 socializing so i guess if like more than one person are in the reduced sensory space it uh no longer is

00:30:54.940 reducing your sensory because you have to socialize with them um so so there are rooms where i would

00:31:00.580 love as an adult to unwind like if there was like a scotch and cigar lounge that sounds like a good way

00:31:05.680 to unwind if there were just like a room with some comfy couches and a jigsaw puzzle

00:31:10.160 the plush toys for adults and the like things that you use for kids with developmental disabilities

00:31:17.200 for university students stressed out seems like a bit of a stretch noah you're a student is this uh

00:31:22.900 is this what you've come to expect on campus you know when i walk around new york university i just

00:31:27.880 finished a class and i'm thinking how am i going to decompress how am i going to relax you know the

00:31:31.820 first thing that comes to mind definitely isn't you know i'm going to go get on my hands and knees

00:31:36.120 and start uh you know scribbling with a crayola or play with there put that picture up again sean

00:31:42.180 one of them i think that's like a peppa pig stuffed toy or whatever so you don't want to like play

00:31:47.260 with your peppa pig stuffy noah you know i haven't really uh you know had that desire but i know

00:31:53.180 my i know my 10 year old sister does uh actually she turned uh 11 today uh so happy birthday to her

00:31:58.380 but um yeah i think like you know one of those stem toes you're describing like she has that 0.95

00:32:02.460 uh in her toy box and you know it's reversible or whatever and she stopped playing with that

00:32:07.280 because she's too old for that uh so at 11 she's too old for it yeah at 11 20 year old undergrads

00:32:13.080 are not too old for it exactly you know i'm 21 right now and you know just to think that there's

00:32:18.100 people my age who are you know getting ready to go into the workforce you know to be serious people

00:32:22.420 you know they're gonna get ready to raise families you know they need to you know go to a room to

00:32:28.720 play with crayons and you know little plushy toys it's ridiculous is this what uh you know i mean

00:32:33.860 first of all uh universities are funded by taxpayer dollars so um this is what taxpayer dollars are

00:32:38.180 going to uh is this what my tuition fees are going to i mean i don't go to uh this university but

00:32:43.040 for those who do go to university their tuition dollars are going to fund this and it's absolutely

00:32:47.940 ridiculous i i don't i hope nobody has the uh the need to go visit this room you know if you if you

00:32:54.020 really have problems like that go see a therapist uh i mean that that and you know the university 0.87

00:32:58.660 they provide those counseling services you know go and do that um but if you need you know a fidget

00:33:04.000 spinner or crayons go back to grade five come on this is ridiculous i'm just imagining you know the

00:33:09.920 rachel emmanuel of bc uh i mean i don't know that bc could produce a rachel emmanuel but uh you know

00:33:15.520 going and saying oh great there's a daycare let me drop my kid off and then they go no no no this is

00:33:19.360 this is for you ma'am i was actually just thinking that that would be a really great place to take my

00:33:23.640 baby he would enjoy a lot of those things from the sound of it but i wouldn't really want him

00:33:27.260 anywhere near all those creepy weirdos so um probably best that i stay away from there you

00:33:31.600 know i liked playing with stuffed animals when i was a kid just as much as the next person i think i did

00:33:35.140 play with them a little bit past 11 but uh that these kids are definitely too old for this i think part

00:33:40.620 of the issue is i was listening to michael doles recently and he had a sort of interesting analysis

00:33:44.280 that people these days aren't taught how to spend their time relaxing like what should you actually

00:33:48.900 do when you're relaxing a lot of people think it's mindlessly scrolling on their phone but no that's

00:33:53.080 not actually a good way of relaxing i think this is like that to a heightened extent where kids are

00:33:57.700 like i don't know what to do on campus i feel all stressed out i don't know what to do with my

00:34:00.460 emotions and my feelings and so they revert back to being a child which is probably why we have all

00:34:05.620 these like part of the reason why we're seeing all this like creepy weirdness of people like not

00:34:09.620 knowing what age they are and what gender they are and thinking they can be anything they want 0.98

00:34:12.520 no you really just probably need to go for like a walk or you know if the situation's gotten that

00:34:17.040 bad take noah's advice and maybe go see a therapist yeah i think there was a seinfeld episode years ago

00:34:23.280 where elaine was so perturbed that her boyfriend uh putty was going to be just sitting on a plane and

00:34:28.920 just staring ahead without watching something or doing something and i was thinking of that when you

00:34:33.180 described that the people don't actually know how to fill their time so like they they need

00:34:37.020 distractions instead of just you know hey just relax yeah yeah i don't know if you guys saw like

00:34:44.140 this uh documentary years ago but it was like this uh man who like once he came home from his accounting

00:34:49.460 job or whatever he was like yeah tell his wife to dress him in the diaper and you know he'd like

00:34:53.580 uh play around as a baby or whatever this is like what this reminds me about it's like you know we're

00:34:58.640 just in fact and and you know it's a disturbing image uh if you if you have the time maybe don't

00:35:04.140 don't look it up but don't don't don't extend this to all of us if you have some time to relax

00:35:09.900 later tonight do i have the show for you watch a grown man parading around with his wife in a

00:35:14.360 diaper yeah that's how you can relax forget about the plushies but but it's it's extremely disturbing

00:35:19.980 right so like you know the fact that you know we have like people who you know these are going to be

00:35:24.020 the next politicians i'm sure pretty sure like in 10 in 10 years uh the house is like this is the bc

00:35:30.260 ndp leadership lounge i think yeah in 10 years uh in the bc uh provincial legislature they're gonna

00:35:35.920 have to open up a room uh just like this you know they're gonna have your plushies and you know

00:35:39.680 after after a really rigorous question period you know the mps are gonna go on there and play with

00:35:43.960 their crayons and little plushies and it's you know it's gonna be nice fun time you know the

00:35:48.940 staffer is like oh do you want some milk uh you know so it's uh it's it's really depressing

00:35:54.540 if this is you know the future uh the future of our country that's for sure rachel do you have

00:36:00.400 anything or no you just you know you have to laugh or you'll cry it's just yeah yeah well and if you

00:36:06.520 do cry too much you can always go to the bc sensory deprivation lounge or whatever the heck it was

00:36:10.860 called at quantland university all right that does it for us my thanks to noah jarvis and rachel

00:36:15.960 emmanuel for coming on for off the record i'm andrew lawton and remember everything you've just heard

00:36:20.820 was off the record i have some questions about your viewing habits noah

00:36:32.780 what was this dog was are you sure it was a documentary by the way and not like

00:36:39.160 another type of video yeah it was like one of those like weird episodic shows where like you

00:36:44.020 know each episode they just watch yeah i don't know but they showcase like these like weird people

00:36:50.080 like weird habits and like you know he just like my strange addiction yeah yeah my strange

00:36:54.840 addiction something like that you know so uh i'm telling you i'm not making it up i don't have

00:36:59.180 weird viewing no i believe i very very much believe you i think last episode the fact that you're able

00:37:04.680 to list off a bunch of cbc shows is like far more weird than that all right like the fact that we

00:37:09.160 write about them we've never written about this stuff i don't think we should either uh i don't know i

00:37:13.440 don't know andrew it seems like you're a cbc show are you being paid by them are you friends

00:37:17.540 with katherine tate no no she doesn't return my calls like uh that one reporter that uh tried to 1.00

00:37:22.460 get her on his show well how about you rachel uh you're friends with the cbc i know you i know

00:37:27.700 you're still working are you a state broadcaster shill rachel yeah own up to it i'm just undercover

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Off the Record - April 26, 2024

Media goes into OVERDRIVE to attack Poilievre

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