Off the Record - Singh continues to prop up Trudeau

00:00:00.000 isaac is there still any point in um wearing the jersey if the chances are all that but gone

00:00:05.680 basically oh there's plenty of chances if uh it ain't over till the fat lady sings that's what 0.88

00:00:13.360 they say but yeah no i mean we could definitely win you never know who um like in the game

00:00:22.720 yesterday what would you say was it like skinner's fault was it like mcdavid's like what went wrong

00:00:26.960 uh the team is just so bad in the defensive zone with giveaways uh who shards the worst for it but

00:00:34.880 they had a he wasn't the only culprit but they did play good in the third i thought when they

00:00:40.480 i literally genuinely believed they were going to come back and uh obviously they got pretty close

00:00:45.120 because we were down for one and then to four three and we uh a couple clear penalties in the

00:00:52.160 last two minutes that weren't called so that might have helped but our power play hasn't been good so

00:00:56.960 rachel you sounded like the least convincing sports reporter ever there like you just googled

00:01:01.120 two names and asked a question that you think is what you ask a sports fan listen i knew two names

00:01:06.960 of people on the team like that's a pretty impressive improvement for me like two years ago yeah no it's

00:01:12.080 easy because the thing when you talk about sports fans is they all have strong opinions on things so

00:01:15.760 you just have to ask one generic question and they'll think that you know a lot more than you do

00:01:19.200 like i was like wow you know so much it was such a good question oh yeah don't get me started on

00:01:24.160 that being a sports reporter would be the easiest thing ever like how do you feel about tonight's game

00:01:30.400 is there anyone in the crowd for you right now what do you guys have to do better next week like i

00:01:34.880 could do it i have never watched this full game of sports in my life but i could probably do it

00:01:38.720 yeah you could also do that uh covering the ndp leadership race in alberta

00:01:41.680 uh all right let's get this started guys

00:01:52.160 welcome to off the record on true north this is the more casual show of our lineup we kick back and

00:01:59.520 have a rotating roster of the cast of characters you know and love well certainly that you know

00:02:04.320 from true north we talk about the things from the week that have stuck with us the things that maybe we

00:02:09.360 didn't get a chance to talk about and uh today i am i'm andrew lawton by the way hi nice to see you

00:02:14.720 uh today i am joined by my colleague rachel emmanuel host of alberta roundup and also isaac

00:02:20.880 lamoureux who does a daily brief from time to time and is also a key member of our alberta bureau situated

00:02:26.960 in the capital of alberta over in edmonton so uh welcome to you both it's good to have you isaac i

00:02:32.240 see you rocking the uh the oilers uh the oilers jersey today i i care in no way about this but i

00:02:37.840 respect that you care about it and are probably quite unhappy today so i'm glad that you are

00:02:42.080 i'm glad that you licked your wounds enough to join us yeah well it's even like last night i was like

00:02:47.440 hey i'm just happy to be here stanley cup finals uh no one could have guessed that we we'd have made

00:02:52.480 it this far so if force comes to us at least we got into the finals now rachel is the token calgarian

00:02:59.600 like do people from calgary who generally hate the oilers want them to succeed because they're an alberta

00:03:05.120 team or does the hatred transcend even when they're in the finals my limited impression of things as

00:03:10.880 someone who is not largely a sports fan is that once the flames are out everyone kind of gets on

00:03:15.760 board and cheers for the canadian team because still you know still better to have a canadian

00:03:20.160 team win and an alberta team win no less than the florida panthers yeah and i see there's the i

00:03:25.680 can't remember if we talked about it last week there's this like outstanding bet between danielle smith and 1.00

00:03:29.600 uh ronda santis that's over i forget it's like there's a key lime pie involved in it now it's

00:03:35.120 i don't know these things are very i know they're fun and they're nice and they're lighthearted they

00:03:38.400 also come across as a bit hokey at times but i would never turn down if ronda santis wanted to 0.56

00:03:43.040 send me a key lime pie i would never turn it down so well i think we're going to be sending him i

00:03:47.280 believe it's alberta whiskey because if we lose if we somehow can turn this around and win he's going

00:03:51.520 to be sending sending up some florida rum and he said he was throwing some okay that that was it all

00:03:55.840 right so sending sending down some alberta whiskey some frozen steaks who knows what else is going to

00:04:00.480 go there um all right believe it or not i did not choose sports as a lead story that was just the

00:04:06.400 chit chat phase of the program here although we do have a political sports crossover story we'll get to

00:04:12.320 in just a couple of moments but i i want to start things off by talking about the ndp which has been

00:04:17.440 as we know propping up the liberal government for uh basically the last five years but in particular

00:04:22.320 since the 2021 election with this so-called supply and confidence agreement the ndp is finally starting

00:04:28.880 to get some pressure from journalists on why they do this it's become a if you watch my show you'll

00:04:34.640 hear this it's my favorite pastime now find an example of jagmeet singh saying that you know the

00:04:39.280 liberals are failing canada and they're doing this wrong and this wrong and then just pointing out

00:04:43.520 that uh well you know he could pull his support from the liberals literally at any moment and chooses not

00:04:49.440 to uh as we saw though members of the uh house of commons press gallery were not wanting to let

00:04:56.160 him slide take a look so why are you continuing to prop up the government who you say isn't taking

00:05:02.880 democracy seriously why do you continue to prop them up so the question is what are we going to do about

00:05:08.720 it the question to me continue to prop up the government when you say our democracy is at stake

00:05:14.560 and this government is not taking our democracy seriously why continue to back them up we're not

00:05:20.880 at all doing that what we're saying is we're going to demand answers we're going to continue to push

00:05:24.160 for solutions because we're in parliament right now i was able to read these documents because we're in

00:05:28.240 parliament now we've been able to push for a letter to have the public inquiry also include the conservative

00:05:33.600 leadership race in a part of the public inquiry's work we want to use the tools as parliamentarians

00:05:39.600 as as a parliamentarian myself to use the tools that we have that i have to advance democracy i

00:05:46.000 want to use the tools that i have to get to the bottom of this uh the the suggestion that an election

00:05:50.560 is a solution to election interference is i think a fallacy what we need to do is use the tools we have

00:05:56.320 to get to the bottom of this i want to continue to push for more solutions i want to push for more

00:06:00.480 transparency i want to push to learn more so we can have better solutions

00:06:04.320 oh okay so now the argument is well we can't have an election because that's not the answer to

00:06:13.120 election interference so i i love it he's saying that he's not propping up the liberal governments

00:06:17.760 where are all these like political reporter fact checkers that like to fact check the simplest things

00:06:22.560 that conservative politicians say uh rachel what's your take on this you know i'm so tired of talking

00:06:29.440 about jagmeet singh because he's such an unimpressive politician but we have to because he's pretty

00:06:36.160 much responsible for propping up the liberal government at this point and continuing well

00:06:39.360 he's not pretty much he is responsible yeah he is i was gonna say you were couching in there

00:06:42.960 yeah for you know for the sort of the situation that we're in in canada where you know liberals

00:06:47.280 are tanking the polls but we aren't having an election we can all thank him for that you know

00:06:51.600 it's just he but he kind of cracks me up like you can see why he has this likability factor

00:06:55.440 especially for his base of people he's so utterly unfazed this reporter's yelling at him and he's

00:06:59.840 just kind of like yeah you know he's blinking along he's like yeah you know um we need to ask

00:07:06.080 questions his answer is pretty much the same he gives the same platitudes no matter what the topic

00:07:10.720 is he doesn't actually seem that interested or that engaged in the job he doesn't seem to get

00:07:15.120 riled up about any issues he just has these same sort of talking points that he defers back to

00:07:19.920 time and time again so you know i think maybe the fact that we're seeing some pressure

00:07:25.520 from the media up in ottawa could be a really good thing maybe that could be the thing that

00:07:30.640 finally gets the ndp you know thinking as to whether or not they want to continue propping

00:07:34.880 up the liberal government at the end of the day money talks and if they're not financially ready

00:07:38.880 to be in a position to go to the election that's going to continue that's going to have them continue

00:07:44.160 keeping the position that they're keeping now which is say one thing to the media have a lot of talk

00:07:48.400 about demanding answers but behind closed doors it's a totally different story your word isaac

00:07:57.280 yeah uh so i watched the whole conference of singh which is about 22 minutes or so

00:08:02.400 and despite reporters consistently asking him about things that were in the unredacted version

00:08:08.160 of the report it was very clear the rules i suppose that were around that because any question

00:08:13.920 that they asked he would just say oh the public report said x y or z so that's basically what he

00:08:19.040 can say so he didn't really say anything new regarding the unredacted version of the report

00:08:24.880 although what i did find very interesting was that it was clear he disagreed with

00:08:30.160 elizabeth may because he said quote he was more alarmed than yesterday after reading the report uh

00:08:35.920 compared to prior to reading it whereas she was saying oh there's nothing to be worried about

00:08:39.440 there there's no one uh there's no list of mps whereas singh said there is clearly a list of

00:08:45.280 traders within uh canadian parliament so i i was very confused about that and i'm and even the

00:08:51.840 reporters are saying did you guys read two different versions of the report like how is this possible

00:08:57.520 yeah by the way isaac when you lean forward your left eye is getting like caught off by the frame you've

00:09:03.040 got to got to remain centered both ideologically and well maybe not ideologically but uh remain remain

00:09:08.160 grounded ideologically and centered uh in terms of the framing but uh the the joys of doing live to

00:09:14.400 tape is that uh we don't just edit it out after it's like isaac your eye disappeared anyway um yeah

00:09:19.280 no you're right and the whole thing was elizabeth bay comes out and basically says oh yeah i've got

00:09:23.120 no worries with every anyone everything's fine it's great then he comes out it's like oh yeah definitely

00:09:27.040 there was something that happened here and you know is this you know two people reading the same

00:09:31.120 report is it two people just skimming it and or is it two people that had their own conclusions i

00:09:35.440 mean elizabeth may basically running cover for the liberals in her answer jagmeet singh trying to do 0.74

00:09:40.320 this weird sort of crossover of well i'm being tough i'm being the tough guy i'm being the strong man but

00:09:46.080 also uh absolutely i'm not uh you know just shilling for the liberal like it's it was this weird weird

00:09:52.480 line that he was trying to straddle and i don't think he does it all that well but it's what he tries

00:09:56.400 to do every day where on one hand he's pretending to be this watchdog on the government and on the

00:10:00.720 other hand he's the government laptop yeah and i think with these leaders now having come out and

00:10:06.640 spoken to the reports we have more questions and answers very baffling that we're hearing such

00:10:11.360 different things about what's actually contained in this report of course you know conservative

00:10:15.520 leader pierre polyev has so far declined to receive this briefing andrew do you think that's

00:10:20.880 the right move for him at this point especially now we have may we have saying giving totally

00:10:25.440 different interpretations of it it's caused more confusion than anything um this way you know

00:10:30.240 polyev he's kind of able to stay above the fray and and demand answers publicly or do you think you

00:10:35.120 know there's been a lot of pressure from him i've been watching ctv global news there's been a lot of

00:10:40.240 criticism on polyev for not having received this briefing and everyone saying well the other

00:10:43.920 leaders are doing and he's going to be forced to do it or do you think that it's actually the right

00:10:47.440 move from him at this point to just say i don't want to see something that i won't be able

00:10:51.520 to talk about publicly yeah i i get why he's i get why he's made the decision and interestingly

00:10:56.880 thomas mulcare who's the former ndp leader he did an interview on ctv i think it was yesterday or two

00:11:02.000 days ago and in that interview he was talking about how he wouldn't do it if he were the leader because

00:11:07.200 he really takes the polyev position on this that he doesn't want to be bound and gagged so that he's

00:11:13.040 reading about stuff that he then can't talk about which means he can't fulfill his role as the

00:11:17.760 opposition leader now i think so that i understand the point i also don't know if the messaging is

00:11:24.240 working for polyev right now because he is getting criticized about this every day there is this

00:11:29.040 conspiracy theory on twitter that oh the reason he's not reading the report is because he can't

00:11:34.560 get security clearance he's you know there's some weird sketch so that it's but it's allowed that to

00:11:39.440 happen by not just reading it so i think ultimately the calculation is what's a greater political cost

00:11:45.360 not being able to hold the government to account on this not being able to talk about this report

00:11:49.920 or the flip side of that which is people wondering why you're not and people criticizing you for not so

00:11:55.600 i think that's really what it comes down to isaac yeah i pretty much agree agree with you andrew that

00:12:02.480 it's a double-edged sword for polyev obviously and i should say that his strategy in my opinion to date

00:12:10.800 has really been to um just kind of stay grounded uh especially like take immigration for an example

00:12:20.960 you know he doesn't really want to speak about it because i guess he thinks that the liberal party will

00:12:25.280 probably just dig their own grave uh for lack of a better figure of speech uh right so i don't know

00:12:33.200 yeah that's the thing there's there's pros and cons to to reading or not reading the report uh

00:12:38.320 uh and it's hard to say without him having done it which is the better option in in my opinion

00:12:45.040 so i said earlier there was going to be a sports tie-in in the sense that it ties into the oilers game

00:12:50.880 last night but not really the game itself but isaac take it away yeah so polyev uh uh aired uh really

00:12:59.440 really frenching up the pronunciation today we're used to the anglo uh just polyev you're doing it i know

00:13:04.560 i i know i always just pronounce it in the french way and i i've kind of been doing that for a while

00:13:09.360 so i usually just stick with that anyways he aired an ad uh uh essentially showing what trudeau has

00:13:16.720 done to the country over the last nine years uh which was a 30 second ad and it allegedly aired on

00:13:22.480 sportsnet and cbc which i thought was going to be the debut by the way but polyev actually released the

00:13:28.320 ad on x and other social platforms a few hours before the game so it wasn't technically a debut

00:13:34.080 per se anyways yeah so the ad is it was about 30 seconds long and every five well sorry the ad

00:13:40.480 starts why don't we just take a look at it first yeah sure it's time for a change in this country my

00:13:46.960 friends

00:14:06.400 it's time for a change in this country my friends

00:14:08.960 yeah that was better i i was just gonna sit there explaining the ad but it's like i guess

00:14:18.640 we could just show it a video's worth a thousand pictures a picture's worth a thousand words

00:14:24.160 i will say though i was watching the game on uh the sportsnet app so not the televised version exactly

00:14:30.880 uh so it was the app on the tv like sportsnet now uh and i didn't see the ad play at all although i was

00:14:38.560 away from the tv during the first intermission so if it played at some point when i was away from the

00:14:42.640 tv during the first intermission i didn't catch it but i did see that it was supposed to play on

00:14:47.040 sportsnet and surprisingly cbc as well so yeah how much of a surprise is that to you andrew that an ad

00:14:53.280 like this would play on cbc i i don't think it's a surprise i mean yes cbc is cbc but when they're airing

00:15:01.280 a hockey game it's a bit of a different audience than the audience of you know power and politics or

00:15:05.840 a little mosque on the prairie or heartland or something like that so i i don't think it's cbc

00:15:10.160 i mean yes it's it's a bit ironic that the conservatives who say they are going to defund

00:15:14.160 cbc are now funding cbc with ad dollars and i i don't actually know how much the the ad costs but

00:15:19.520 it's part of a campaign that's going to air in you know different markets it's probably going to air on

00:15:23.120 digital i i i'm kind of curious about the ad itself because i actually thought just from a

00:15:27.440 production perspective it was a brilliant concept just taking the before and after photos of the

00:15:32.160 identical places and these scenes and showing just the devolution of canadian cities into

00:15:38.160 tent cities and i know it's you know different provinces it's not just bc like we always used

00:15:42.880 to think of here it was it was edmonton on you know alberta ontario british columbia everywhere and

00:15:49.200 halifax this beautiful idyllic oceanside town is also similarly seeing this uh what did you think on

00:15:55.200 that rachel the ad was exceptionally well done and it was very powerful and i think it

00:16:02.000 speaks to something that all of us who have been living in canada and who have observed

00:16:07.680 what's going on in our country over the last decade have felt very you know very closely and

00:16:12.880 near and dear to our hearts the crisis the cost of living crisis is impacting all of canadians and

00:16:19.520 you know i think one of the effects of that that we're seeing is this homelessness crisis which is of

00:16:23.600 course also tied to things like addiction and you know that goes back to the cova 19 pandemic people

00:16:28.800 not being able to see each other that's when we saw the addiction crisis really go through the roof

00:16:32.800 i've been visiting family in ontario and i think when it comes to seeing homelessness and when you

00:16:37.840 see those people you know at the streetlights asking for money we're really quick to sort of tune

00:16:41.360 it out maybe you're one of the people who rolls down your window and passes them you know a bit

00:16:45.520 of money but i think by and large people roll up their window they lock their car doors and

00:16:49.520 they kind of just ignore it and being home and being in saint catharines and seeing the places where i

00:16:56.240 spent so much time growing up you know there was always those problematic pockets of the city

00:17:01.520 those aren't really a thing anymore the problem parts of the city have really spread to every

00:17:05.360 intersection there's pretty much someone standing at every street corner along the highways along

00:17:10.480 medians asking for money and it just i think now that i've been home and i've seen it and where i

00:17:15.840 grew up it's really just stunned me what the effect of this crisis has been and how many people are

00:17:22.000 suffering and when you stop to look at these people it's such an obvious display of human

00:17:25.680 suffering and i think it's a shame on us as a nation that it's gotten as bad as it has and

00:17:30.160 that we haven't been doing a better job of reaching these people and helping and pulling

00:17:34.080 them out of their addictions sometimes when i talk about addiction to homelessness on my show

00:17:38.240 the occasional eels are all that's really cruel that you you know you don't want home homelessness no

00:17:42.240 it's not cruel i actually think these people can have a better life and that we can put an arm down

00:17:46.960 for them and pull them out of this and offer them a better life than you know a cold spot on the ground

00:17:51.760 i don't think that's cruel at all to say that that should not be controversial whatsoever and so

00:17:56.480 i think this ad just depicts the fact that under justin trudeau the suffering in our nation is so

00:18:03.200 strong it's worse than ever yeah and i mean i always take the view on this you can't put the blame

00:18:09.120 100 on one person but especially with drug issues and homelessness issues these are all very

00:18:14.960 interconnected you have provincial policy municipal policy federal policy you have all of this and

00:18:20.240 you know at a certain point though you have to look at the federal government's role in it and

00:18:24.160 you know the federal government which was permitting these drug legalization pilot projects that have

00:18:29.840 proven to be an abysmal failure and the federal government which anytime someone talks about

00:18:34.400 finding a different way like danielle smith or uh some conservative politicians they all talk about

00:18:39.200 it as being this lack of compassion when in reality i kind of take your view which is that

00:18:44.240 certainly there's nothing compassionate about that there's nothing compassionate about these

00:18:47.920 tent cities where people are you know dealing with addiction generally and having it go untreated

00:18:55.760 and the silence suggests everyone agrees with me uh isaac go ahead

00:19:01.360 yeah i i taking it back to the production value of the ad uh in my opinion probably not only in

00:19:08.800 this ad but in his previous uh videos that he's released like detonation comes to mind and then the

00:19:14.080 one before that you know they're they're so there's such high quality production that i really think

00:19:19.520 that that plays a big role for example uh something we didn't talk about that it happened in the ad was

00:19:25.360 the constant echoing of of the first clip they showed where we're yeah change real change and then with

00:19:30.400 the lightning and and the storm in the background you know i thought that was a nice touch to the ad uh so

00:19:35.760 yeah i i i gotta say whoever's producing um poly africa's content is is doing a fine job

00:19:43.600 well that kind of raises in my mind the question of i wonder how much of a hand if any

00:19:47.680 poly i've had in this to go back to andrew lawton's book he you know a political pair

00:19:52.320 probably have a political life you explained how much work um poly of has done in really honing his

00:19:58.400 communication skills over the years that he's been first starting out as you know a young staffer and

00:20:03.520 of eventually becoming an mp and of course now leader of the opposition and just how he really

00:20:07.920 honed those skills on youtube and on twitter so i'm just curious i don't know if you have any thoughts

00:20:11.360 andrew on whether you think he had a hand in this video and the production of it i so i the the sense

00:20:18.320 that i got now this was during the leadership race and people told me with you know fairly good

00:20:22.880 authority that nothing went out that he didn't approve now i don't know if that's the same now you

00:20:28.960 know as far as individual tweets and stuff i i would be very surprised if he was looking at every

00:20:32.880 tweet and uh say actually for i don't think he is because there was one last week on on d-day he

00:20:38.160 posted a tweet and i harrison falter i'll call our colleague was like railing against him on this one

00:20:44.240 and he like had a picture of american soldiers on omaha beach not canadian soldiers on juno beach so

00:20:49.840 i don't think poly has a history buff i don't think he would have let that one slide if he had seen it but

00:20:53.600 i think on big stuff like this and on core messaging stuff he would absolutely have a say in it now

00:20:59.680 i mean look for all i know and i have no idea whatsoever the idea of the before and after

00:21:04.080 might have been his i don't know but i i think certainly even though this ad wasn't a polyev ad

00:21:09.440 it was an anti-trudeau ad i think he is setting the tone and i think that he's trying to be very

00:21:14.320 clear to canadians like point to a part of canada that is better now than it was a decade ago and

00:21:19.680 that's actually a difficult question for people to answer in the affirmative

00:21:22.560 i can't think of anything i mean we're more aware of the problem now but that's always the cop out

00:21:30.880 when the only way you can find like a positive spin on something is to say well you know we're

00:21:34.800 more aware of how bad it is isaac you seem to be thinking have you what's better in your life well

00:21:39.440 not your life but better in the in the country than it was a decade ago i was thinking really hard

00:21:44.400 and i was like hey maybe the territories are somehow better but no i mean with the cost of

00:21:47.840 goods and how they've maybe the answers up in the yukon yeah i was like maybe they knew maybe

00:21:52.480 nunavut's gotten better no it hasn't yeah that's too funny yeah it's uh it's certainly an interesting

00:21:58.400 one um there was this uh just to go back to the jagmeet singh uh thing for a second the media is

00:22:04.720 getting a heck of a lot feistier with a lot of these people and i think this is a good segue into the

00:22:09.760 clip that you brought to us uh rachel yeah so this week vashi capello's grilled finance minister uh

00:22:16.560 christy or freeland on the capital gains tax the liberals have introduced we'll just play the

00:22:20.720 clip now because as andrew said a video there's a thousand pictures um just to give you a good

00:22:25.360 sense of how that played out from your perspective this is about sound economic policy or about

00:22:30.480 cornering the conservatives sound economic policy why because we believe in fairness for every

00:22:36.720 generation the things you're talking about though dental care canada child benefit daycare they

00:22:41.520 tally up to far more on an annual basis than this will bring in over five billion years why are you

00:22:46.800 presenting it as a panacea to all that i'm not presenting it as a panacea but i am presenting it

00:22:52.640 as a meaningful way to raise money to fund the things that canadians need i think you did present

00:23:00.080 it as a panacea i'm going to challenge the way that you're framing that based on your comments on

00:23:03.520 sunday i'll read them directly to you do you want to live in a country where those at the very top

00:23:07.280 live lives of luxury but must do so in gated communities behind ever higher fences using

00:23:11.920 private health care and airplanes because the public sphere is so degraded and the wrath of the

00:23:16.160 vast majority of their less privileged compatriots burns so hot this is going to fix all that and what

00:23:22.160 responsibility does your government bear for putting us in that position in the first place

00:23:27.280 this is really going to help canada because 20 billion dollars is a meaningful amount of money

00:23:34.320 to invest in the things canadians need standing for fairness is really important too fairness for

00:23:41.120 every generation it's the right thing for canada and canadians and it is working i have to leave

00:23:46.240 it on that note i'm being told in my ear your staff needs to get you out so thank you very much minister

00:23:49.760 i appreciate you making the time for the conversation station i have to say that might have been done

00:23:55.680 innocently like that might have been done just folksy or it might have been just a bit a bit of sass 1.00

00:24:00.320 a bit of snark from vashi capellos either way i'm all here for it the uh i don't know i mean it was

00:24:04.880 a six minute interview so it's not like this was some interview that maybe it was supposed to be

00:24:08.720 five and getting it to six was a big thing but it's not like this was some interview that it

00:24:12.480 stretched on for an hour and then uh you know basically the staff are just like pulling christia

00:24:16.960 freeland off the uh the studio anyway i'm inclined to believe that it had a little bit of sass to it

00:24:21.520 because she's been doing this vashi's been doing this long enough to you know know what she's doing

00:24:26.240 um but you never know things slip out innocently let's start just at the beginning of that clip

00:24:30.480 though um wow just bizarre just a bizarre response from the finance minister there i'm not surprised

00:24:35.600 her staff wanted to get her out of that interview some of the language that was used and then i was

00:24:39.040 like all right carl marks like just take a chill pill that was when she's explaining why they need

00:24:44.160 to justify the capital gains tax she's saying the wrath of the vast majority burns so hot it's just

00:24:50.960 a bizarre way that we've you know the trudeau's always talking about the conservatives and causing

00:24:55.760 division which is really what they're doing here they're saying look at how wealthy some people are

00:24:59.600 look at what they have they're responsible for you not having all those things they're responsible for

00:25:04.560 you you know living a you don't having not as high of an income you know not having as quite a good or

00:25:11.360 an easy quality of life and you know one when um vashi vashi asked her question what responsibility

00:25:17.840 does your government bear for that i mean the reality is that people are struggling right now and that

00:25:23.360 does lie at the feet of the liberals i mean we could talk about this global inflation but you

00:25:27.920 know the liberals have a lot of responsibility they've been printing cash they've been spending

00:25:32.080 like crazy and people are feeling the effects but not even to get me started on their carbon tax

00:25:36.320 which we saw this week how much is it that it's taking from the economy billions of dollars so

00:25:43.120 i mean just a crazy clip um i think the i think the the finance minister did not come out of that

00:25:49.440 looking too hot what's your take andrew yeah i think that look it's a government that is on its

00:25:57.040 last legs and knows that and the message they've committed to for this budget is generational fairness

00:26:02.640 fairness fairness fairness this is what they say all the time i we were going to do this at another

00:26:06.640 point but i think it's it's there's a point in sharing this now this was ahmed hasen's latest

00:26:11.680 attempt at selling the fairness message a damn fine cup of coffee

00:26:32.560 so i don't claim to be an expert on deciphering what's in the minds of liberals which i mean generally

00:26:41.120 you should be able to figure it out because there's not much in there but i i'm i don't even

00:26:46.240 know what just happened there the the the bit i maybe this is some like viral tick tock meme i'm

00:26:51.920 not aware of but the bit was like we have black coffee and then we pour milk in it and then the

00:26:58.240 coffee gets beige and i don't know maybe i don't what is that beige i don't know and then the coffee

00:27:03.520 gets lighter and then you can see we've written on the cup you know fairness and pierre sucks and

00:27:08.000 but i like i don't even get that isaac you're younger than i am what what's the bit even

00:27:13.040 uh i have to say andrew i don't really use tick tock but uh i ha i think i've seen that before where

00:27:18.320 yeah essentially the the lighter coffee just reveals uh the sharpie so that's the bit i think

00:27:24.560 needed to be a little more clever i think for it to like really be pulled off asking a lot of ahmed has

00:27:29.680 said i yeah i just don't get the but but anyway this is what they're left with it's like christia

00:27:35.120 freeland failed to sell canadians in the six and a half minute interview uh so we send ahmed hassen

00:27:40.960 to pour milk in his coffee because that that'll really like you would wish when christia freeland

00:27:45.280 can't sell the policy ahmed hassen pouring milk in his coffee that's going to do it like this is a

00:27:50.560 desperate desperate government right now well maybe which is a distraction i mean obviously it was kind

00:27:55.680 of successful we've moved talking about freelance botched interview talking about the coffee so

00:28:00.320 they have found some success in it being a distraction if the whole no new if the whole

00:28:04.560 like all news is good news thing uh is is holding then yeah maybe it's been great for the uh the

00:28:09.520 government here although i'm not entirely convinced that is true with this particular government and i

00:28:15.760 think in general too we have to acknowledge the fact that there are members of parliament who want

00:28:22.160 trudeau gone like they know they're going to lose the election because of him so you always have

00:28:26.560 to look at who the potential successors are and how people are positioning themselves and framing

00:28:31.040 themselves the one name that comes up in every conversation about this is that of my old davos

00:28:36.960 chum mark carney i run into him on the streets of davos whenever we're there reporting on the world

00:28:41.440 economic forum because he's a frequent flyer there i ran into him once in ottawa he was very friendly when

00:28:45.840 i didn't have my cameraman there uh so i mean he's friendly he's friendly all the time which is why

00:28:50.560 you can tell he wants to run for something because why else would he be nice to me but uh mark carney uh

00:28:55.120 has been uh proving himself to be a very authentic genuine sports fan that would be up there you know

00:29:00.800 with his arm around our friend isaac this was mark carney's tweet uh yesterday on the game day festival

00:29:07.680 country de valdemont if you can't be in edmonton the next best warm-up for a big night in the stanley

00:29:13.200 cup finals hashtag let's go oilers and there there's mark carney the former governor of the banks of

00:29:19.520 canada and england the u.n climate representative with his oilers jersey that looks like he just put

00:29:26.800 it on like i bet there's a label still on that if you look closely somewhere on the back side uh

00:29:32.720 holding up a can of uh what is this uh budweiser budweiser uh oh budweiser yeah his staff had to

00:29:39.920 tell him but this is the first time mark carney i think has ever worn a an oilers jersey he did

00:29:45.440 actually play hockey in the 80s so i'll give him that but so it's not the first time he wore a jersey

00:29:49.280 i think it's the first time he's ever held a beer in a can though i are you are you convinced by this

00:29:54.240 guys he is going for those alberta votes i kind of respect it i mean he knows where they need to pick

00:29:59.520 up seats he knows where the liberals are unpopular you know he's he's starting early i do respect the

00:30:04.400 hustle a little bit i'm not convinced by it at all um but i i do respect it is budweiser even like

00:30:10.240 the beer that wins you support in canada i didn't think it was at least it wasn't a bud light well

00:30:14.960 yeah that's true a lot worse isaac like if you saw him at the arena would you be like well that

00:30:22.080 guy belongs here yeah uh uh i i hate talking smack to anyone in an oilers jersey uh but i will say

00:30:30.960 quickly budweiser won't win you much sway in alberta so what's the beer i will say it's nice to see

00:30:38.720 uh the potential next leader of of the liberals uh being supportive in any way shape or form of

00:30:46.960 alberta i i know steven guibo would never be wearing an oilers jersey so yeah that's true that's true

00:30:52.560 he knows where alberta is i don't even think justin i actually haven't followed i don't even know if

00:30:56.480 trudeau is on the oilers train right now um so this reminded me i'm not even a 30 rock fan but i love

00:31:03.040 steve buscemi so you may have seen this meme but this is the clip from 30 rock that it comes from the

00:31:08.080 clip is like two seconds so i'm hoping we don't get a copyright strike on the episode

00:31:12.080 but uh carney cosplaying as a sports fan reminded me of steve buscemi's character uh going undercover

00:31:18.160 in a high school how do you do fellow kids what that's basically it so mark carney how do you do

00:31:28.160 fellow sports fans like i said everyone's so silent today you gotta jump in i need something

00:31:34.880 to bounce off of i tried jumping in twice in the last segment everyone just steamrolled me so you

00:31:39.360 know i've been inclined to give up we are making space for women's voices go ahead well thank you

00:31:44.720 um i like i said you know i think this could be a good thing for for us at albertans you know we have

00:31:49.840 potential future liberal leader who seems to care what albertans think that's radically a radical change

00:31:55.920 in policy from what we're currently saying like it can only get better for us it can only get better

00:32:00.000 for us the fact that he's willing to you know degrade himself to clearly revealing he knows nothing

00:32:06.480 about sports he knows nothing about beer just to try to win over some some points you know it could be

00:32:11.120 an indicative sign of good things to come i think i mean i didn't pull the tweet but there was one back

00:32:17.280 in the leadership race for the ontario pcs so this would have been like 2018 i recall caroline

00:32:23.920 mulroney who's like you know from a very wealthy powerful family obviously had posted some video

00:32:29.040 of her eating mcdonald's in the back of a car and it was like and she had captioned it with like you

00:32:33.520 know there was no room at the restaurant it was something weird it was like this is the first time

00:32:36.720 you've ever had this like normal human experience in your life that was like the takeaway from it

00:32:41.440 it was uh i think actually chris selley had retweeted that and said you know how do you do fellow

00:32:45.680 boors that was basically the uh uh the takeaway from that yeah i'm so it's so funny one of the things

00:32:51.120 that i found trump was so entertaining on is that trump was the only american politician that

00:32:56.880 never bothered pretending like because everyone you'll get these multi-millionaires that pretend

00:33:02.160 to be the everyman they pretend to be middle class whereas like trump like didn't care he's like

00:33:06.480 oh yeah my model wife oh yeah my private jet oh yeah my lip like he just didn't care and he like

00:33:11.520 he owned it and i'm like well you know at least there's an authenticity to it it's like i i can't tell

00:33:16.000 my one mark carney story because i'm waiting until he's like the leader of the liberal party and that

00:33:20.000 story will be more impactful but this is the guy that like travels back and forth to davos he is

00:33:24.720 not the budweiser drinking every man i mean you know trump also loved mcdonald's and that he wasn't

00:33:30.800 faking either he just had a natural love for it so i think oh yeah yeah remember how much like everyone

00:33:35.440 was so mad when he like served fast food to the visiting athletes and just had that like

00:33:39.680 fast food buffet at the white he served it to everyone though like it was nothing personal to them

00:33:43.520 didn't just recently when he was in court you saw like his his uh private security showing up with

00:33:47.840 like bags and bags of mcdonald's for him like it's hilarious like the guy loves the stuff it's

00:33:52.160 amazing that he's you know still operating at the level that he is because he just drinks like pop

00:33:56.400 and and mcdonald's like i would i would have been in a coma a long time ago the guy yeah he's like

00:34:00.400 pushing 80 now i think there there was a uh a reporter that i i'm acquainted with who's with the daily

00:34:05.840 caller in the u.s had tweeted because he was on trump's campaign plane for some event and he tweeted

00:34:10.640 like the airplane meal tray that the reporters on the plane got and it was literally like a mcdonald's

00:34:16.080 hamburger and fries and the mcdonald's condiments package so it's like mcdonald's is the official

00:34:20.880 caterer basically of the trump campaign now whether they know it and like it or not

00:34:26.000 yeah i mean i wish i could eat like that i think our other the actual u.s president now joe biden

00:34:30.400 needs a lot healthier than that but i think his mental decline is uh far worse and far more obvious than uh

00:34:36.720 president trump which probably brings us to our next story if you guys are ready to to change gears here

00:34:41.760 but uh maybe we should go ahead and play that hilarious clip from the g7 meeting this week

00:34:48.800 this is it yeah this is in apulia italy oh no we're losing joe we're losing the president he's

00:34:54.640 going somewhere i wish they had just let him and not bothered and then oh georgia maloney comes 1.00

00:35:01.200 she's bringing him back in

00:35:04.880 being a good hostess for the g7 and then

00:35:07.120 he inexplicably just puts his sunglasses on while they're posing for the photo like he's

00:35:12.320 david caruso in csi miami uh so believe it or not that was not the only bidenism this week he was

00:35:18.640 also doing an event when chuck schumer the democrat senator was speaking and this one i want to tell

00:35:25.360 you what to look for because so i i will do a little bit of a preamble on this he shakes hands and

00:35:30.480 then look at what he tries to do after he shakes hands with chuck schumer

00:35:41.840 now our great speaker our partner who all of these bills the best part about these clips is

00:35:49.120 everyone around him being so uncomfortable and like unsure what to do and just embarrassed i mean

00:35:54.960 in the first clip i wish that the other leaders would have just kind of left him and and and just let

00:35:59.680 him wander off and make it into the g6 yeah what would have happened if we just kind of like left

00:36:04.480 him to his own vices um you know in this and the second clip you can see like closely standing there

00:36:09.040 like oh no joe like not again like get it together man like they gotta stop putting me up here with

00:36:13.600 this guy like he's so he's forgotten in the span of three seconds that he already shook the guy's hand

00:36:18.320 but and it's like these things are kind of silly like george bush always had these little verbal

00:36:22.960 slip-ups that were kind of fun and everyone like making fun of him for him but but no one questioned his

00:36:27.440 mental capacity and that's where there's a part of the biden thing that's that's actually quite sad

00:36:31.920 because i think there is a compelling case to be made that this is just elder abuse this is a guy

00:36:36.160 who's not even in control of his own faculties that's just being like pushed out and just paraded

00:36:40.800 around like he's some puppet and then you know when he he starts walking wrong in in one direction

00:36:45.680 that's wrong someone just turns him around and eventually he gets where he needs to go oh there's

00:36:50.880 no doubt like this is not a verbal slip-up like i i have verbal slip-ups all the time you don't have

00:36:54.800 to be old for that you could also just be like a postpartum mom that hasn't slept through the night

00:36:58.160 in nine months but this is like next level like this is someone who often doesn't know where they

00:37:02.880 are why they are there what they are doing i remember this is someone who the special counsel

00:37:06.960 said he couldn't be prosecuted for having um government documents at home because he wasn't

00:37:12.000 mentally well enough he was too old to be to be you know examined for why he had these government

00:37:16.320 documents and we couldn't even remember when he was vice president when they interviewed him

00:37:19.680 so you know this is someone very scary that he's a president of the u.s i don't know how he's gonna

00:37:23.920 handle and handle himself in those debates against trump i know he agreed to debate um donald trump

00:37:29.600 in i think it's a late summer um ahead of the of course general election so i'm curious to see how

00:37:35.120 that's gonna play out i think whenever there seems to be a big event they always seem to give him

00:37:39.120 something to kind of like juice him up for a couple hours so uh maybe you know maybe he'll he'll handle

00:37:44.480 himself all right but uh expectations are certainly on the floor at this you think they're giving him

00:37:48.880 some like magic potion backstage that just like you know for for 30 minutes he holds it together

00:37:53.360 and then undoubtedly yeah yeah yeah i i think are you uh what's your expectation of uh biden trump

00:37:59.520 debates yeah they're doing the same thing they do with uh nhl players who are playing in the stanley

00:38:03.840 cup finals that like tear their acl and play through it like for sure they're just back there shooting

00:38:07.440 adrenaline up their leg they might be doing the same with joe but yeah speaking of the um how uncomfortable

00:38:13.280 the leaders might have been uh experiencing that i mean i'm uncomfortable just watching that clip right

00:38:18.720 like this is the leader of the free world one of the most powerful people in the world and i mean

00:38:24.240 i that i've seen even more videos than just that circulating that he is completely lost like if you

00:38:30.240 don't think he has some sort of mental problem let's call it i mean could be dementia senile age yeah uh

00:38:36.960 uh you know it's it's a worrisome thing when someone with that much power can't remember

00:38:43.920 anything doesn't really know where they are half the time i mean i'm sure when he's in the white

00:38:48.640 house lots of people are kind of shadowing him let's say to make sure nothing nothing goes wrong but

00:38:54.240 or is he even doing it or is he just like taking a nap and then like kamala harris and his chief of

00:38:58.560 staff are running who knows definitely not kamala harris like she's not much better off than him like

00:39:03.920 let's be honest i think that's she walks in one straight direction when she's on stage which is a 1.00

00:39:09.440 i never thought i mean it's a very very low bar that we we need to clear in politics now um okay

00:39:14.880 this is like a it's not like a we should have ended on the biden one actually but i just very briefly

00:39:19.600 one of the big changes in x the artist formerly known as twitter this week was the disappearing of

00:39:25.840 the people who like your tweet so you can't now go and say oh well isaac liked a tweet from

00:39:32.560 joe biden uh so we're gonna you know cancel isaac or something like that i i didn't really

00:39:37.920 care because i've don't just spend my days trying to cancel people for tweets they like

00:39:43.040 and elon musk he had put something out to this effect as though this was the reason where he

00:39:46.880 effectively says we can put that tweet up here important to allow people to like posts without

00:39:52.400 getting attacked for doing so then i saw who was freaking out about it and the only one i saw was

00:39:57.520 rachel gilmore the uh tick tock uh commentator who was basically sad that now she can't go

00:40:04.800 through and look at people's likes so if those were the only people doing it i think it was probably a

00:40:09.120 good move yeah initially when i saw this i didn't really care either and i was like i don't think

00:40:13.280 this will change anything but then i remembered i sort of built my life to be uncounselable i work

00:40:18.240 for a company that i'm very ideologically aligned with um and you know i'm very obviously conservative

00:40:24.160 very obviously christian so i don't really feel like i have much to hide from i also don't spend

00:40:28.160 a ton of time on twitter either but i think there are legitimately people who well there are like

00:40:32.800 there's no doubt about this there are still legitimately people who have conservative leaning

00:40:36.560 values and feel like they can't talk about them publicly especially when we look at stuff like

00:40:40.240 parental rights and transiting the kids people who you know might not even otherwise be conservative

00:40:45.280 but are against some really radical policies like this who have felt like they can't speak about

00:40:49.600 it and we often talk about the online sphere and especially x becoming sort of the new public

00:40:55.120 sphere i think it does give those people who have felt that they have to be quiet in all areas of

00:41:00.880 their life except for maybe inside their home for so long now it does give them a little more avenue to

00:41:05.600 just be themselves and post what they want to post or maybe like what they want to like without

00:41:09.680 constantly feeling and looking behind their shoulder wondering if they're going to be next to get

00:41:13.360 canceled yeah what's uh what's your take on this isaac yeah i think people are so cautious these

00:41:20.240 days uh you know you're just ever since you're raised as a child coming up with technology they're

00:41:24.560 so cautious about what they post or what they do online knowing that it could stay with them and haunt

00:41:30.640 them forever so i think this is good in a in a privacy sense you know i'd always maybe in the back

00:41:36.400 of my mind when liking a crazy tweet be like uh what if someone sees this or you know you never know

00:41:40.720 what's gonna happen like you know i need to look at your life i can't look at your life though

00:41:44.080 yeah no that's the funny part i never like anything crazy either i mean

00:41:48.080 what you'd expect yeah now i can like i can like whatever i want to be liking crazy stuff

00:41:53.600 i'm gonna like all the conspiracy theories i see online about andrew lawton well most of those are

00:41:59.120 probably true actually so anyway have fun with it uh all right that does it for us for today this is uh

00:42:05.680 this is my pleasure to do this we'll be back with the andrew lawton show rachel's got alberta

00:42:09.840 roundup isaac's got daily briefs you can catch all of what we do and more over at tnc.news

00:42:14.800 and remember everything you heard was off the record

00:42:24.880 does our little off the record outro just kind of make sure that we are not going to be held

00:42:30.160 responsible for anything that we've said no no you're still responsible it's called marketing

00:42:35.200 no i'm not because i said in my opinion so i'm good we want people to feel like they

00:42:40.000 they were like eavesdropping on a conversation they shouldn't have this is as clandestine as

00:42:44.640 as your twitter likes now

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Off the Record - June 14, 2024

Singh continues to prop up Trudeau

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