Off the Record - Surprise, surprise! CBC defends Trudeau’s carbon tax

00:00:00.000 are you guys getting like just non-stop like spam phone calls now i'm getting like one eight six six

00:00:06.560 i've always gotten that yeah i get i've gotten them about three or four times this week

00:00:11.760 yeah this is why you just don't answer your phone it's the best strategy best way of screening just

00:00:15.360 don't answer any calls unless it's like you know who it is and even then for a while i was getting

00:00:20.160 calls that were pretending to be from the cra saying that i owe the money it was so obviously

00:00:24.480 a scam it was like someone from india and they had like a thick indian accent so like they call

00:00:28.640 and i'd answer i kind of mess with them like oh hi can i speak with someone in french please and

00:00:32.400 then they just hang up i'm going to use that one that is the best response ever during cobit i had

00:00:40.560 a cra call but because they were all working from home it was like just someone calling from their

00:00:45.040 cell phone in newfoundland and it was legitimate but it was like the weird like the the sketchiest

00:00:50.720 thing just because it like wasn't like there was nothing official about it it was just some random

00:00:54.720 like phone call from someone personally yeah it's like you guys know that there's like scams like

00:01:00.080 every day coming out people pretending they're like you should do something to make yourself seem like

00:01:04.880 more authentic and official or something yeah yeah i get calls from the us it's it's and they claim to

00:01:11.760 be a canadian government official i'm just uh well i i don't i don't have any tricks like you do kandis

00:01:16.640 about how to play with them i just i just wonder why it's why it's so out of control i've heard some i've

00:01:21.760 heard some theories about it but we'll save that for a different show well do you know why because

00:01:25.680 i listened to a podcast once where basically they were getting all these scam calls and so the guy

00:01:30.240 played along and then he ended up doing investigative work where he flew to india and like went to the

00:01:34.160 town where they were doing this and like try to take down like the whole empire and so i listened

00:01:38.160 to that podcast series it was like this is like probably eight years ago now and so then i whatever

00:01:42.800 he was doing i like to use those tricks to try to like find out who it was that was doing it but

00:01:47.440 yeah maybe we should do some true north investigation into the fake cera agents

00:01:52.320 harrison we're sending to membra all right guys let's get this started

00:02:04.320 hi everybody welcome to off the record thank you so much for joining us today so this is a show where

00:02:09.600 we just talk about our favorite interesting stories of the week not really newsy per se but we have a

00:02:15.120 little bit of a more relaxed conversation about it so i'm joined by andrew lawton who is the host of

00:02:19.680 the andrew lawton show and the senior editor here at true north and also joined by harrison faulkner

00:02:25.040 who is the host of ratioed and also a reporter at true north so thank you for joining me both

00:02:32.880 so yeah so i never know whether to respond in that moment

00:02:37.920 sometimes you just plan to go right through anyway i'm here well if you if you had something to say you

00:02:42.160 could jump in and say it at that moment but then if you don't then we'll just carry on keep calm and

00:02:47.040 carry on so let's talk about this cbc story so justin trudeau was out in alberta uh this week and

00:02:52.800 we were told that he was going to give us some kind of announcement he really didn't he was just kind

00:02:56.640 of there to talk about how great the carbon taxes and how great his dental plan is or his pharma care

00:03:03.280 plan like he didn't really have anything uh the the main story for me was that he would not let rachel

00:03:09.360 emmanuel into his press conference which is just rude and annoying and you forget that justin trudeau

00:03:15.520 is a tyrant right like you see him failing in the polls you see him making silly embarrassing things

00:03:20.720 uh saying silly embarrassing things online all the time uh you you think that maybe he's gonna like

00:03:26.160 soften up and and and try to be more like reconciliatory but then as soon as he sees a true

00:03:31.520 north reporter or a a daily signal reporter counter signal report uh porter he he just goes right back to

00:03:38.400 like tyrant mode where he gets the police to push them out anyway uh luckily he has the cbc there to

00:03:45.360 defend him so we had this article that we saw the real problem with the carbon tax guys is not that

00:03:51.440 it's a bad policy it's not that it's making life so unaffordable it's not that they're raising the price

00:03:55.920 at the worst time when canadians are suffering from inflation which in part was caused by the carbon tax

00:04:01.120 the real problem according to the cbc is just that they're not communicating it properly they just need to

00:04:06.240 figure out a different way to communicate it andrew uh what are your thoughts on all this

00:04:11.200 yeah this was i mean literally this is liberal communications this is liberal spin because a

00:04:16.880 couple of months ago you may recall maybe it was about six weeks ago the liberals set out on this

00:04:21.680 grand canadian effort to rebrand the carbon tax because the liberals decided to take the view that

00:04:27.440 the carbon tax was just a messaging problem it was a communications problem which is really insulting

00:04:32.880 to canadians because what they're saying is that no no no you're just too dumb to understand the

00:04:37.760 policy so we're going to really explain it to you and then once you understand it then you'll like it

00:04:43.760 it's like uh you know basically the liberals are just saying that there's no way canadians could

00:04:48.880 possibly be against them unless they just don't know enough information uh like i try try applying that

00:04:54.080 to dating if someone does not interest you no no you don't know me yet you don't know me it's just not

00:04:58.240 going to work so the reality is aaron wary's piece in cbc is literally taking that approach from the

00:05:04.800 liberals that this is just a messaging problem not that canadians cannot afford a carbon tax cannot

00:05:10.720 afford the increases to the carbon tax and do not want to pay for something that has at best a dubious

00:05:17.120 relationship with the environmental objectives that the liberals claim the carbon tax will solve

00:05:23.120 i think that's absolutely right harrison what are your thoughts

00:05:25.440 well given that the cbc is the communications wing of the pmo he should be taking his frustration

00:05:31.680 out with his own employer the cbc but it's weird because in the article aaron weary is basically

00:05:36.880 blaming the banks for not manipulating their statements so that canadians can clearly see

00:05:42.560 what is a rebate and and and and not uh he basically says right here while energy suppliers

00:05:48.640 specify the federal carbon change on the bills they send to customers banks are not obliged to clearly

00:05:53.840 label the rebates when deposits are made to canadians accounts so he's taking it out on the banks for

00:05:59.360 not clearly labeling labeling what the cbc what the pmo want canadians to see the reality is as andrew said

00:06:05.920 this is not a communications issue canadians just don't want to don't want to have to pay for another

00:06:10.480 tax which they know isn't working so it's just it's just classic i mean of course the whole carbon tax

00:06:16.640 house of cards is crumbling provinces are now uh pushing back except for except for i guess yukon

00:06:23.280 recently but a lot of the provinces now are pushing back on this and they've got their they're in panic

00:06:28.480 mode trito went on an eight minute uncontrolled rant a few days ago at this press conferences at

00:06:33.680 this press conference trying to defend his carbon tax which is which is crumbling so it's nice to see

00:06:39.200 yeah he seems a little unhinged in that video if i'm if i'm being uh critical and honest uh andrew you

00:06:43.920 cover this on your podcast that i think seven or eight out of the premiers out of the 10 premiers

00:06:48.880 everyone other than bc and perhaps manitoba although manitoba sort of half in and half out

00:06:54.000 uh have come out opposed to the uh carbon taxes it's interesting because uh when you see the cbc

00:07:00.080 write a piece like this it's kind of like telling you what's going through their own heads in the pmo

00:07:04.000 like like like the idea that really the canadians just must not understand it i know that the auditor

00:07:08.880 general came out with a pretty damning report saying that most canadians are actually worse off

00:07:13.360 under this uh under this new tax regime uh what what would you do if you were advising the liberals

00:07:20.080 well the problem is is that it's kind of too late for them to save face on this without having some

00:07:25.920 colossal embarrassment because they have been so unrepentant about this i mean you mentioned

00:07:30.640 harrison justin trudeau's eight minute long answer and i don't know what's worse that people had to hear

00:07:36.960 him try to defend the carbon tax for eight minutes or just people had to hear him for eight minutes

00:07:40.960 but the reality is the government has been just they've just had scorn and disdain for anyone

00:07:47.760 opposed to this policy they've decided to make this really the flagship policy of their government

00:07:53.200 and imagine that like harper's the the policy that i mean i i would say harper's government was not as

00:07:58.000 bold as it could have and should have been but but if you were to try to link like harper to a

00:08:01.760 particular policy outside of the recession you'd probably say the gst reduction like that's probably a

00:08:07.680 flagship enduring legacy policy from that government justin trudeau wants to make an added tax the

00:08:14.320 policy that people most closely link to him so given that there is this revolt of the premiers now uh

00:08:20.320 seven of the ten uh main canadian provincial premiers have not condemned it manitoba you're

00:08:26.080 right is they're like not saying if they have or haven't privately which is weird in and of itself

00:08:31.040 you've got the premier of the northwest territories who's against it uh the but the reality is the

00:08:37.360 the liberals have boxed themselves in so much where uh showing weakness is not going to help them so

00:08:43.040 i'd say the only card left to play is just simply doing the right thing which is uh letting canadians

00:08:49.200 have some relief it's not going to help them politically but it's the right thing to do

00:08:53.760 well no i think you're right i think that justin trudeau sees himself as an environmentalist that's

00:08:57.520 probably the pet issue that he cares the most about hence why he had that embarrassing groveling

00:09:01.920 media uh with greta thunberg during one of the previous elections you know he's got a radical

00:09:08.000 environmentalist uh as his environment minister which is is so unbecoming and when you know when

00:09:13.040 when uh uh governments complain that they can't get meetings with him and they can't communicate with

00:09:17.360 him he just says like it's your problem not ours uh he's he's quite proud of his his environment

00:09:21.680 minister uh so i think right andrew it's like a hill he wants to die on and i think he wants to run

00:09:26.800 in the next election using this as one of the wedge issues to say like conservatives and peer polio

00:09:31.280 don't believe in climate change that's just like every day in the house of commons that they're talking

00:09:34.640 about this that's all we hear that same platitude the conservatives don't care about climate change

00:09:38.720 we're the only ones that care about climate change uh do you think that's a a good message for them to

00:09:43.760 go into the election with harrison well i don't i don't because it looks as though you know the

00:09:49.840 premiers across the country even liberal premiers know that it's politically uh it's politically

00:09:54.160 dangerous we just had we just heard from i think it was rachel emmanuel's interview with an ndp

00:09:59.280 strategist pointing this out in alberta that even the even the ndp can't can't stand for a carbon tax

00:10:06.080 because it's not going to work for them uh we're starting to see the serious damage this is causing

00:10:10.880 not just um for canadians but also look at the agriculture industry the the our farmers in our

00:10:16.880 country are being crippled by a carbon tax all of these the this carbon tax led by stephen gilbault

00:10:22.960 who as you point out is is a radical environmentalist this is having real impact on canadians and if

00:10:29.840 liberal premiers aren't willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with a key legacy policy like andrew you

00:10:35.600 pointed out for justin trudeau then it's obviously not going to work for them and it obviously hasn't

00:10:40.560 worked out for them if you take the polls uh if you take the polls as as an indicator of where this

00:10:44.960 country is right now yeah no i think i think that's uh i think that's right i i can't imagine

00:10:50.480 that you know affordability being the biggest issue in the country right now i don't know why

00:10:55.040 you would don't want to double down on not just a tax but like the issue is that they're raising the

00:10:59.360 tax right april 1st the tax goes up so we're about to get hit uh even harder with this all right uh

00:11:05.360 let's let's transition i was trying to think of a good way to transition uh to this one but i'm

00:11:08.960 going to hand it over to you andrew uh to talk about uh something a new initiative from the ottawa uh

00:11:14.480 school board uh that's really you know highlighting fit how you can fail fail up in this country

00:11:20.720 well yes the ottawa carlton district school board now this is just for context the school board that

00:11:26.160 has as a trustee nilly caplan mirth so uh this is basically the caliber of those in charge at the

00:11:32.640 ottawa carlton district school board they've decided that they need to make school more inclusive and you

00:11:37.600 may think okay what's the big deal doesn't really matter uh ottawa school board could make graduation

00:11:42.480 ceremonies more inclusive by allowing those who didn't pass to participate so no we're not talking about

00:11:49.440 racial inclusivity sexual orientation inclusivity gender inclusivity grade inclusivity and if you

00:11:56.000 don't graduate well it would be not inclusive to not invite you to the graduation ceremony now this

00:12:04.480 is not just a a change in language as the article says uh this is that uh they are now pivoting from

00:12:11.200 a graduation ceremony which is something very specific to a commencement ceremony which will

00:12:16.960 allow students of all levels of achievement to cross the stage with their peers even if they have

00:12:25.760 not completed all the requirements to leave high school so look students are going to have different

00:12:32.400 levels of capability you have students with learning disabilities i i get it but the way you deal with

00:12:38.160 that is not by just pretending that everyone's graduated i mean why how far are we going to push

00:12:43.120 this was my question do we uh just say universities have to start being inclusive with their offers of

00:12:48.320 admission and just letting anyone come even if they didn't make it in universities then have to do

00:12:52.720 inclusive commencement and at a certain point when everyone's crossing the floor to pick up their medical

00:12:57.440 degree uh we've just like inclusived our way all the way to the end where everyone's just being called

00:13:02.720 doctor whether or not they graduated i'm being a little bit facetious here but that feels like the

00:13:06.960 direction we're going well it's interesting because andrew you and i are millennials and i think that

00:13:11.840 that was the the generation where like everyone would receive a trophy like it didn't matter if you

00:13:16.080 won the race or not you got the the partition the participation medal and i you know i i think that

00:13:21.840 that the outcome of that is that you have a lot of pretty entitled pretty you know lazy people in 1.00

00:13:28.080 our generation that aren't aren't doing aren't achieving like they could i i think it's kind of changed

00:13:32.880 for gen z and i think the problems facing harrison's generation are much more about sort of like

00:13:39.120 being scared to to take a step into the real world and you know the whole like i need a safe space

00:13:44.720 and and and you know i need a trigger warning and all this kind of stuff so this this is strange

00:13:50.480 ottawa policy is kind of like merging uh those all together it's like yeah you don't really need

00:13:55.600 to do anything you don't really need to try you don't really even need to show up and graduate but

00:13:59.120 you still get the uh diploma at the end of the day which i i don't know what you're supposed to do

00:14:03.120 with that like what what comes next after you kind of like fake your way through you know high school

00:14:08.160 and then and then and then what comes next harrison what do you think yeah i i don't know how this will

00:14:13.680 play out but i i can't think of like something worse than not passing high school but then being

00:14:19.040 brought up onto the stage to like pretend as though you did like first of all that's just that's just

00:14:24.480 terrible but i think there's all of these all these policies are all kind of part of the same

00:14:29.520 family take your quotas uh take your dei initiatives uh all this equity stuff all these participation

00:14:37.760 trophies it's all part of the same i think it's all part of the same uh family of of policy which is

00:14:43.360 basically to lower standards to such a point where everybody's just everybody's just told to accept that

00:14:50.080 we're all capable of doing the same thing that there shouldn't we shouldn't be celebrating excellence

00:14:54.960 we shouldn't be celebrating achievement and unique uh uniqueness we need to just all pretend as though

00:15:00.720 we're we're we're doing the exact same thing um it is it is i think this is only the beginning

00:15:06.960 unfortunately i think this is going to get way worse and we're going to see this go into universities

00:15:11.200 next um you know we're going to see this go into the workplace if we haven't already it's it's a

00:15:16.720 continuation of the participation trophy idea uh and it's just going to get worse instead of the

00:15:22.000 trophy uh we're basically going to be forced to accept that yeah you you might not be smart enough

00:15:27.120 for example to uh to to be building airplanes but we don't care we're going to let you do that

00:15:32.720 uh you might not have the qualifications to be an engineer but we don't care we want you to be an

00:15:36.960 engineer we want to have you know specific race quotas or gender quotas in the engineering field so

00:15:42.560 we're just going to let you build a bridge see how that goes all of this is going to have problems

00:15:47.440 in the future you can you can see it going that way uh but i i kind of view this as almost an attack

00:15:52.560 on on excellence in a way well there there was a story years ago in and it was also in ottawa oddly

00:15:59.760 that i i it was one of my favorite like of those canadian stories that kind of becomes a bit of a thing

00:16:05.200 like they talked about it on red eye and fox and friends and all of that and i i had kind of

00:16:09.120 contributed to blowing it up a bit but it was basically where an ottawa soccer league had said

00:16:15.200 that if you win by more than five points you automatically lost uh because they were trying

00:16:21.280 to say that it was just not fun anymore for the losing team if they got just absolutely slaughtered

00:16:26.800 on the field so the rule was if you won by more than five you lost and that has stuck with me now for

00:16:31.120 like 10 years because that's the same phenomenon it's the same culture and but the thing is

00:16:35.600 what i don't know and you have kids candace so maybe you can weigh in on this i think kids get

00:16:41.280 this in a way that adults don't and and i'll use myself as an example so years and years ago when i

00:16:47.120 was oh i've played piano my almost my entire life but i did these competitions i think they were called

00:16:52.320 kiwanis competitions there was one time where you know i go and i play my song and at the end of it

00:16:56.800 they're handing out the awards and they give you know first place second place third place and then i got

00:17:01.440 something called the award of merit which i had never heard of but i got the sense that it was

00:17:06.960 nonsense and that it was as though i had lost or uh maybe i got like a non-existent fourth place

00:17:12.960 award and something but i knew that it was a fake award and i felt nothing about it as a kid but kind

00:17:18.240 of annoyed because i knew that i had lost but i but i don't know if i'm in the minority that or of that

00:17:22.960 or if kids are kind of aware that there is this game being played on them by the woke

00:17:29.040 uh no i think kids know i think they get it like as far as that auto story i never i never heard

00:17:34.640 that story before but when i was growing up and you're playing sports sometimes it would stop

00:17:38.400 counting right if you if you were really winning uh they would stop counting or in baseball sometimes

00:17:42.400 they would just call the game if you were if your team was up by like 10 10 runs and you're going

00:17:46.080 into the last inning they just wouldn't play the last inning uh but i can't imagine losing over that

00:17:50.880 yeah interesting that you mentioned that andrew because my my son is he's he's the youngest in his

00:17:55.840 class he's youngest in his grade by by over a year uh just because uh you know he we kind of he's

00:18:02.240 he skipped himself ahead and because of that whenever it comes to pe and races he's always last

00:18:07.680 and the school maybe it's because it's a traditional school they don't skirt around it like they say

00:18:12.240 you came in last you came in 13th out of 13 boys and like and he knows his time and yeah deal with it

00:18:18.560 kid you know and he does and and and then he's like you know i really want to practice running and

00:18:22.880 getting better because i don't like finishing last and we're like well you know you're smaller than

00:18:26.640 the other boys so that's probably likely that you will finish last uh but you can try to beat your

00:18:31.440 own time uh kind of thing and no i i think kids understand the inherent need for competition and they

00:18:38.160 like competition that's what drives them especially boys they love being competitive and you know that

00:18:43.440 it's part of human nature and and when you try to take it away and and water it down i think kids

00:18:48.400 understand and recognize that and to your point andrew they feel like shortchanged by the fact

00:18:53.120 that you're not being honest with them like if you lost you lost and you should learn and to deal with

00:18:57.280 that and uh just final comment on this i think we've seen i think we've seen like the peak of this and

00:19:03.280 we're starting to turn around because i know in the us after 2020 and the george floyd riots a lot of

00:19:07.760 elite schools started doing away with uh tests like no more uh standardized tests to determine who gets

00:19:15.360 into the school and i think it's like the the consensus has been a disaster like they're bringing

00:19:21.760 back tests let's just say that uh a lot of the students who were brought into those schools uh

00:19:26.000 have not proven that they are uh you know at at the level needed to to be at that institution and

00:19:31.920 graduate and so because of that a lot of the administrations at schools like brown and dartmouth

00:19:36.960 are now announcing that they are going to return to you know grading by standardized testing and using

00:19:42.080 them for part of their admission so i i i think i think we're kind of like experimenting and trying

00:19:46.880 and hopefully that we're learning from it and we're not gonna we're not gonna continue down that

00:19:51.040 path okay let's uh let's let's move on i i wanted to uh talk about a little online uh controversy that

00:19:58.640 happened uh with uh conservative uh podcast host ben shapiro who runs the daily wire and he went viral

00:20:05.680 online basically we're talking about something that i think is like a pretty standard conservative

00:20:10.240 position that has been the long-standing conservative position so let's play a clip of ben shapiro

00:20:16.160 and let's be real about this it's insane that we haven't raised the retirement age in the united

00:20:19.280 states it's totally crazy joe biden if that were the case joe biden should not be running for president

00:20:23.920 hey joe biden is 81 years old the retirement age in the united states at which you start to receive

00:20:28.640 social security and you are eligible for medicare is 65. joe biden has technically been eligible for

00:20:33.840 social security and medicare for 16 years and he wants to continue in office until he is 86 which is

00:20:39.680 19 years past when he would be eligible for retirement no one in the united states should

00:20:44.640 be retiring at 65 years old frankly i think retirement itself is a stupid idea unless you

00:20:49.040 have some sort of health problem everybody that i know who is who is elderly who has retired is dead

00:20:54.400 within five years and if you talk to people who are elderly and they lose their purpose in life by 0.91

00:20:58.800 losing their job and they stop working things go to hell in a handbasket real quick but put all of that 0.86

00:21:04.400 aside just on a fiscal level and on a logical level when franklin delano roosevelt established 65 as the

00:21:11.280 retirement age the average life expectancy in the united states was 63 years old today the average

00:21:17.120 life expectancy in the united states is close to 80. so that blew up the internet it was really kind of

00:21:25.200 something i mean i think people were sharing that video it had tens of millions of views uh conservatives

00:21:30.160 were the ones that were sort of like so i should say right wingers online uh were the ones that were

00:21:34.720 particularly you know outraged and offended by it saying like ben shapiro sort of touched he doesn't

00:21:38.880 understand uh working class people and and how you know hard it is on your body to be like a bricklayer

00:21:44.560 uh or work on a farm and and how you know 65 is is old enough uh obviously ben shapiro is thinking

00:21:49.920 more of like people who are in his line of work uh people who sit at a desk all day and and there is

00:21:54.960 two totally different realities here uh so i i was i was i was thinking the canadian example because

00:21:59.360 stephen harper under the conservatives did raise retirement age to 67 and it was promptly moved back

00:22:05.600 to 65 uh when justin trudeau was elected i mean i i wrote about this a long long time ago in my book

00:22:11.920 generation screw that came out over a decade ago now but the idea that you know demographics have shifted

00:22:17.520 rapidly um the idea that you retire at 65 is little antiquated when people are living into their 80s

00:22:23.360 you know what are you supposed to do for that last two decades of your life if you're not working

00:22:26.960 a lot of people didn't save up properly uh to afford that so interesting debate and also just

00:22:32.880 interesting that it went it went so sideways for ben shapiro and he got slammed so hard for it so

00:22:38.400 harrison what do you make of all this yeah well i think it's exposing one of the new shifts that

00:22:43.600 we're seeing in the right which is this sort of push um especially from younger uh younger

00:22:49.360 conservatives younger people to look at look at the social safety net as a as a core you know needed

00:22:55.840 institution in the united states and in canada and not view it as something that you know traditional

00:23:01.120 conservatives in the past would look at as an issue now in reality i think that without it if if it never

00:23:07.520 came into canada in the first place after the second world war we might be in a better position but we

00:23:11.840 have it now and we have to live with that reality because canadians have been paying into it for many

00:23:16.000 generations with the expectation that they get they get what they pay into it when they're when

00:23:20.640 they retire now the reality is with ben shapiro if you are a lawyer or if you are a you know a banker

00:23:27.440 or you are in media and you sit behind a desk and you're not using your hands all day well yeah i think

00:23:32.640 that's one thing i think you do have you should be able to work up until the point where you literally

00:23:37.600 can't you can't but when you're talking about blue collar work manual labor is it really is

00:23:43.680 it really good for society to have you know people you know breaking their backs when they're you know

00:23:48.880 65 and older um in in the manual labor industry i think that there's a reality here that ben shapiro

00:23:54.560 doesn't know about which is the the life that a lot of americans and canadians face you know are you

00:24:00.800 should should you be in the oil fields working an oil rig when you're 70 uh it doesn't seem like

00:24:06.400 that's a good idea um and i think that's what we're seeing right and and canis we talked about this

00:24:10.400 earlier that there's starting to be this this look at daily wire as sort of an out-of-touch uh

00:24:16.560 conservative organization making you know they've been they've become so successful and so big that

00:24:21.040 they're starting to lose touch with their base and i think this is kind of this kind of exposes that

00:24:26.080 a little bit obviously we know that the social safety net debate was a big dividing factor between

00:24:31.520 donald trump and nikki haley um in this presidential primary donald trump is a is a staunch supporter of the

00:24:38.160 social safety net in the retirement age and he's been he had been attacking nikki haley for saying

00:24:42.640 she wanted to raise the retirement age in the united states so it's exposing a new fault line in

00:24:47.600 the conservative dialogue and i think it is exposing a new divide amongst young conservatives and older

00:24:53.040 conservatives yeah and i would even say the difference between the traditional conservatives

00:24:58.320 and sort of the new right the new online right and the mega uh right andrew what do you make of this

00:25:03.440 do you think we should have two retirement ages one for white collar workers and one for blue

00:25:06.880 collar workers well i i one one point i should raise here and i i don't want to you know i don't

00:25:11.680 want to attract my own level of the ben shapiro controversy but a lot of blue collar work exists

00:25:16.720 because uh people with white collars just are too lazy to do something or just don't have the time to

00:25:22.240 do it i mean and i'm guilty of this myself it's like so but i but i'm trying to think of how i would

00:25:27.040 feel if you know some 95 year old guy showed up to cut my lawn or something like that and and how

00:25:33.680 a lot of other people would feel so i i do feel there is a there's a societal aspect that is

00:25:39.200 concerning and challenging if the elderly have to work and there's a difference between having

00:25:44.240 to work and wanting to work right because i i do agree that people can have great meaning and purpose

00:25:50.400 from their work and i i'm one i'm an example of that i love it i want to do what i do and until i can't

00:25:55.280 anymore and i and i couldn't see myself not in some form but i also would love to just go down to part

00:26:01.600 time maybe when i'm you know 107 and uh perhaps not do the five shows a week that i do now maybe

00:26:07.360 i could go down to four and a half or something and i i do think the blue collar white collar

00:26:12.160 distinction is an important one but where i have kind of changed on this issue is that i do feel

00:26:18.960 that we can people on the right generally make a big point especially people on this call of talking

00:26:25.280 about for women in particular not working being a legitimate life choice and and that you should 0.91

00:26:29.680 actually celebrate if you want to take a role as a mother and that's something you choose to do

00:26:34.960 and i think that the if you take that to its logical end there are forms of purpose and meaning that are

00:26:42.160 not built around labor and if someone says you know i actually want to take the last 20 years of my life

00:26:48.320 and spend time with my grandkids and spend time with my friends and volunteer i actually think that's

00:26:54.080 a perfectly legitimate thing so i i don't buy this idea that retirement instantly means you go from

00:27:00.640 doing something to doing nothing i think it's about shifting priorities no i think you're right i think

00:27:06.160 that i think that where ben kind of got into a little bit of trouble here is he didn't properly

00:27:10.240 distinguish between you know personal responsibilities and personal choice right so it's like the problem

00:27:16.240 with social security and the us and and our cpp and oas and gas programs in canada is that they're not

00:27:22.480 properly funded so i don't think like any of the three of us realistically expect that when we retire

00:27:27.920 like when when we hit that stage in our lives whether it's at 65 or 70 or who knows 75 at that point

00:27:33.200 that the government safety net will exist in order to protect us like i i don't think the governments

00:27:38.800 have funded these programs properly and so it is like it's your personal responsibility to save up

00:27:45.200 and make sure that you're personally prepared for retirement and i don't think that most canadians

00:27:49.200 and americans are doing that right now i doubt people in our generation are many of them haven't

00:27:53.840 even been able to afford life uh milestones like buying a house uh let alone you know putting aside

00:27:59.440 20 of your income every month uh for retirement i i'll just uh share a personal anecdote some of my

00:28:05.360 family and this shows the point about why retirement is bad it's like okay so i have a family member who

00:28:11.760 was a school teacher she loved being a school teacher that was like her whole life basically hit 65 and got

00:28:17.440 forced out like pushed out um so that you know new teaching spots could become available for younger

00:28:22.720 teachers but you know 65 she was still young and vibrant and wanted to do more so what did she do

00:28:27.360 she went back in and became a university professor and started doing consulting so she was collecting her

00:28:32.160 full pension as a teacher and then she was also collecting a full-time salary as a university professor

00:28:38.960 and also consulting with other school districts so she was making all of this money while collecting

00:28:44.640 from you know the the pool of retirement it just to me looking at her situation and and i don't

00:28:50.880 begrudge her i think it's great that she was able to make all that money later in life but it's like

00:28:55.200 you know our institutions are going bankrupt and we don't have all this money sitting around

00:28:59.600 and yet here we are shoveling money out the door uh to get people to retire who aren't ready to retire

00:29:04.480 who don't want to retire who will not retire who will just move on to a second or a third career so

00:29:08.800 from a financial perspective i i just don't think that the whole thing is is organized properly and

00:29:13.920 or do you have another thought oh yeah the counterpoint to that it's not as much an issue now

00:29:17.600 because like no one wants to be a teacher now but there was a time when like and i think it was

00:29:22.480 around the time that i was either in university or entering university where not that i ever wanted

00:29:27.840 to be a teacher but like everyone's being told don't go to teachers college just don't there are no

00:29:32.160 jobs available you're never going to get hired and one of the problems at the time

00:29:36.160 was that younger newer teachers couldn't even get supply teaching jobs because the supply lists

00:29:42.240 were all dominated by retirees that just didn't want to leave that just wanted to continue doing it

00:29:47.120 and and that's a really tough situation because i do believe there's kind of a moral responsibility

00:29:52.640 for older generations to look out for the younger generation and and i do believe that

00:29:57.440 you know there there is something problematic to use the the word of the left here when you have a bunch of

00:30:02.240 uh people that are you know 70 75 have a pension and they just want to be you know in the classroom

00:30:08.160 still and as a result younger people the next generation can't get experience so i agree that's

00:30:13.920 an issue i don't see a solution to it i i think that generally speaking we all need to have as a society

00:30:19.520 a bit of a bigger picture discussion about work and the meaning of work and one of the problems now

00:30:24.800 is that young people are are not finding careers a lot of young people aren't they're finding jobs

00:30:30.080 they're finding five six seven jobs but they're not finding careers and i don't know if that's

00:30:34.080 a matter of the the workforce and its strain or if it's a matter of people that are a bit directionless

00:30:40.800 or a bit of both but i i think that's something that we need to talk about because the idea of

00:30:45.040 deriving that meaning from your work that's going to keep you there and not have you retiring i i don't

00:30:50.880 think for most people is going to be there if you're driving for uber eats and i should just say i

00:30:54.720 i think i think what we should be doing in this country is actually encouraging families to start

00:30:59.520 looking after each other you know eventually if this social safety net isn't going to be able to

00:31:04.000 exist for um you know for even my entire lifetime um then we need to we need to start looking at how

00:31:10.480 other cultures have been able to uh have been able to you know uh you know look after their look

00:31:15.600 after their families like when when you're when you're taken care of by your older generations

00:31:19.840 as you get older and they get even more older and you know and it's your opportunity to now take

00:31:24.480 care of them like that is that is how you know societies in the past have always worked out that's

00:31:29.520 how our country managed to our people managed to survive before we had our social safety net

00:31:34.560 and i think that it's something we should be encouraging not looking at you know not not

00:31:38.080 trying to promote individualism and this idea that you end up going off to a home you end up getting

00:31:43.040 you end up getting you know a retirement benefit from uh from the government we need to start moving in

00:31:47.360 a direction i think that recognizes that yeah families do play a role in this and families are

00:31:51.760 important well and your comment on individualism is exactly right i think we that there's a story

00:31:57.120 this week that found that 70 71 of canadians wanted to change their jobs within the calendar year

00:32:02.320 so you know to your point andrew you're not talking about people who have uh satisfied careers

00:32:06.640 you're talking about a job and jordan peterson talks about this a lot that the expectation that we

00:32:10.640 give to young people is that they're going to have a meaningful career most people don't

00:32:14.000 really have a meaningful career most people have a job and the job is there to pay the bills and we

00:32:18.400 know the the ideas that they're waiting for the day uh that they can retire and i think we sell a

00:32:23.120 false bill of goods particularly young women telling them to pursue a career that will be the number one 0.98

00:32:27.920 uh source of meaning in your life i went to your point harrison no the number one source of meaning in

00:32:33.120 your life will be you know your experiences and your family and your community and you know the the the

00:32:38.560 things that you invest in on a personal level okay let's let's move on to uh this story about

00:32:44.880 the u.s government looks like looks like they might be banning tick tock um which which is you

00:32:49.440 know if we sort of saw it coming but it surprised me how quickly it's coming so it passed in the

00:32:54.000 house it's over to the senate and if if it passes in the senate uh the uh biden administration

00:32:59.600 could go ahead and implement this uh very soon uh kind of a split again among the right uh where where

00:33:06.000 a lot of right-wingers are saying no this is a huge uh imposition governments can't step in and

00:33:11.200 ban private companies uh other conservatives saying uh look it's pretty clear that tick tock is a chinese

00:33:16.880 uh entity here and that they're that this isn't a good thing for our society uh andrew why don't you

00:33:22.320 take it from here as the as the token uh libertarian uh so this is a tough one and i'll i'll both sides

00:33:30.240 it at first and in the process of doing this perhaps i'll find a position to take um so i i think that

00:33:35.520 you know absolutely free market free enterprise not banning apps is the right way to go um however

00:33:42.000 even the most sort of libertarian framework lets countries control their borders uh there are

00:33:48.320 import restrictions you can have free market within the country but have a protectionist approach

00:33:53.200 to what's coming in the internet is the the challenging factor there because you could argue

00:33:58.800 that this is an import restriction in a way is that you know the us doesn't want to import tick

00:34:03.280 talk into the united states which isn't you know how we relate to international uh companies online

00:34:09.040 but if you're talking about the technicality of it this is an export from china this company so i think

00:34:14.720 there is an argument to be made if the government thinks that there is a a significant security breach

00:34:20.560 or security threats to people that's coming from this app however and this is where i go to the other

00:34:25.760 side i'm not convinced that this is the right way to do it i think it's taking a sledgehammer

00:34:30.880 to something that like for example no one's talking about wechat wechat when i ran for office

00:34:36.640 in 2018 everyone i talked to said you got to get on wechat because it's where all the chinese canadians

00:34:41.360 talk and uh you go on wechat and and then the people you know it's like anyone involved in politics

00:34:46.880 and anyone you know who's chinese those are the two the two groups that i saw on there and then so

00:34:51.360 i got on it and i kept in touch with people because i had a lot of volunteers from the chinese community

00:34:56.000 and then you afterwards i was reading up about it on man i want to get this thing off my phone

00:35:00.400 because like any other chinese company uh it is essentially not offering any protection at all

00:35:06.960 against state seizure of its information by china now whether they were interested in my you know

00:35:12.000 canvassing schedule i have no idea but they they would have had access to that the chinese government

00:35:17.120 would have so i i think there is an argument to be made but we would have to expand this far beyond tick

00:35:23.360 tock and i i think that the the problem i have here is that uh if we allow and normalize this

00:35:30.160 type of power it's the same type of stuff that gets parlor taken offline that would get uh whatever

00:35:36.560 uh we can't say that we can't say the my pillow guys name because we get a youtube strike but you

00:35:40.480 know that would get the my pillow guys social media app off or trump's social media app like like that's

00:35:45.200 the problem is that i i don't want this this precedent to be weaponized when it has nothing to do with china

00:35:51.200 harrison what are your thoughts yeah i i have no time for tick tock or the ccp and think that anything

00:35:58.240 that combines the two i view as as a dangerous as a dangerous app or a dangerous tool i don't

00:36:03.440 want anything to do with it but that being said i think that uh i'm quite skeptical of these of this

00:36:11.520 pieces of legislation like this that are unanimously supported by both the democrats and the republicans in

00:36:17.120 the u.s that are going to uh significantly impact the social media space i see that as a red flag

00:36:23.520 myself um i i'm i'm curious as to what we don't know about the bill that is in the legislation i

00:36:29.920 think that there's a lot of talk that you're starting to see more about what this really could

00:36:33.680 be motivated about and what this what this is all about because you wonder like it's not it's not as

00:36:38.800 though bite dance the tick tock parent company has all of a sudden just now started to you know

00:36:44.080 engage themselves in the app they've been doing this since the very beginning um and tick tock is

00:36:48.960 is has got itself all the way into the american uh cultural system so why now and and what is really

00:36:56.080 behind this legislation what what is it about this bill that we don't see that i don't know but i'm

00:37:01.520 just very skeptical about this stuff especially when it gets such heavy bipartisan support i'm starting

00:37:06.720 to i'm starting to have see some red flags waving about this but we'll see that being said i i don't

00:37:11.360 care about tick tock or the ccp or bite dance i think i think they should all be banned but i don't

00:37:16.160 know what this is really all about yeah i mean i like the heavy skepticism towards uh you know huge

00:37:22.320 use of state power but at the same time it's like your tick tock is not a good faith actor it's like

00:37:26.960 tick tock in china is like teaching kids math and tick tock in the united states and canada is like

00:37:30.560 teaching kids how to like mutilate their bodies and transition and and just pushing like the worst kinds 1.00

00:37:35.520 of social contagions and you know it's interesting because if you look back at like the history of media

00:37:41.040 companies in the united states like uh rupert murdoch i think they made him become an american

00:37:45.040 citizen he was an australian uh because he wanted to buy a newspaper and even just owning a newspaper

00:37:50.080 is like well you have to be subject to the american jurisdictions and and here we have you know these

00:37:55.120 huge platforms that are they're far more influential than any newspaper has ever been or will ever be

00:38:00.240 and they're allowed to be run by you know some sketchy firm on offshore uh you know on behalf of

00:38:07.600 potentially nefarious uh adversaries i i don't i don't i don't like that so i'm i'm okay with

00:38:13.040 with it being banned but i i appreciate the libertarian uh streak on on this issue for both of

00:38:18.400 you all right let's uh let's move on to a sort of a lighter funnier topic i i just thought this is

00:38:22.640 hilarious i love the internet and uh the fact checks on x have become delightful the community notes so

00:38:29.360 we had the mayor of new york uh you know i just just a bit of background you know there's a huge civil

00:38:33.680 war happening in in haiti haiti is a god-awful country has been for a very very long time and 0.55

00:38:38.640 you know obviously our sympathies and and hopes that hopes and prayers that that things turn around

00:38:43.680 and that people are safe and okay over there but the country is is dealing with a civil war and

00:38:47.760 pretty much anarchy gang violence uh run amok the mayor of new york made an interesting statement on

00:38:54.560 social media uh so we can put that up on the screen he says we we call new york city the port of

00:38:59.600 prince of america we feel the pain of our haitian neighbors uh i feel as the situation goes dark

00:39:04.480 uh fellas has anyone ever heard new york city be called the port of prince of america that was like

00:39:09.760 the strangest phenomenon like you're the mayor of the greatest city in the world you know nobody

00:39:14.240 called it that he said himself they call it that so who am i to to point out my ignorance on this as

00:39:19.440 being relevant that i just haven't happened to have heard this widespread nickname i've never i've never

00:39:25.040 heard anything of the kind i don't know i don't understand where this is coming from i i've never

00:39:29.600 heard a single person ever call it that am i am i alone in this unless they really hate new york and

00:39:34.640 it's like yeah this is like this this city is the worst it's basically port of prince but in the united

00:39:39.040 states i mean i i mean maybe erica doesn't understand what's going on here and thought that oh that sounds

00:39:45.360 great we we actually want to be like haiti we want to be more like like like the haiti city uh it's just

00:39:51.280 absurd but it's kind of it's kind of it is funny at least well right like lawlessness uh okay sorry

00:39:58.240 andrew what were you trying to say i couldn't i couldn't make out what you were saying eric adams

00:40:02.080 said that we call it that so it people must call it that well so this is the funny part so the

00:40:08.640 community notes jump in and slap this community note on the on the tweet not one person has ever

00:40:15.040 said this before eric and so someone did a a google search of you know um new york city being

00:40:23.200 the port of prince of america and then just like removed eric adams as a reference to find out if

00:40:27.840 there's like any history of anyone ever seeing it online and there was nothing so i was like when uh

00:40:33.760 when pot was legalized in canada the new york times canadian correspondent catherine porter had written

00:40:40.160 in an article that people are calling it c day for cannabis and it was like no one had ever said it

00:40:45.280 outside of that article i love that there's like google analytics you can actually check you can

00:40:51.680 fact check these things yeah um but just a strange a strange moment uh from the mayor of new york city

00:40:57.520 and then the internet came to the rescue to make it a hilarious story so i appreciated that uh another

00:41:02.320 good news story to end the episode on so you might recall uh earlier this football season andrew i

00:41:07.680 know you're a huge huge sports fan and football fan um so you know you can you can provide some

00:41:12.400 sports insights on this story but uh young young man uh out of the kansas city chiefs game uh was

00:41:18.400 wearing a kansas city chiefs sort of outfit uniform here you can you can see he's very festive and he's

00:41:24.080 wearing the native american headdress he's got uh face paint on his face red and black for the team

00:41:29.600 which i'm told is a fairly uh you know popular thing to do uh you know we've always seen people wear

00:41:35.520 face paint at sports games that's just a thing that they do well dead spin which is a sports

00:41:41.120 online publication they decided to take a run at this child and here was a headline that they ran

00:41:47.920 saying the nfl needs to speak out against the kansas city chiefs fan in blackface and a native

00:41:53.040 headdress so they pretended that he was in blackface only showing half of his face even though from the

00:41:58.080 full clip we can obviously see that he wasn't in blackface he was just wearing face paint red and black

00:42:02.480 uh the native american headdress it was very clear in those videos that his mom was uploading that he

00:42:06.800 is native american and that he was part of a tribe and the reason that he had that headdress is because

00:42:11.680 of one of his ancestors who was who was the head of the tribe so anyway the the dead spin sports

00:42:17.600 reporting uh took aim at this child a nine-year-old boy tried to write a hit piece on him led to endless

00:42:22.960 harassment uh anyway the story goes on because the family of that boy decided to launch a massive lawsuit

00:42:29.680 against dead spin and we've just learned that dead spin has basically effectively just shut down

00:42:36.000 they've laid off their entire new stuff everyone has been fired uh they were bought up by a european

00:42:40.800 startup and the new european company just basically fired everybody so uh this is what happens to bad

00:42:46.560 journalism uh i i think you know i don't i don't want to celebrate uh people losing their job but at the

00:42:52.080 same time it's like when you run journalism like this it's completely race-based completely designed to

00:42:56.720 demonize and you know destroy the life of a nine-year-old for no reason uh just to stir up

00:43:02.320 controversy to make it seem like all americans are racist or whatever the point of that story was

00:43:06.720 uh bad things will happen so this is a little bit of karmic justice yeah harrison what do you think

00:43:12.000 well first of all i i don't think it's journalism right i think that this is just pure uh pure you know

00:43:18.400 rage whatever you want to call it hating uh you know trying to feed the machine trying to just manipulate

00:43:24.800 algorithms and get a bunch of clicks like you're revering far away from journalism when we're

00:43:28.640 talking about this story here um but these journalists if we can call them that these

00:43:32.960 bloggers they're bloodthirsty right they see something and they want to basically ruin the

00:43:38.080 life of even a kid enjoying game and they know for a fact that they're that he's actually not wearing

00:43:43.680 blackface but they don't care they're going for blood they want to ruin his life they want to ruin his 1.00

00:43:47.600 his mother's life and the reality is i think you know what goes around comes around this is this is

00:43:52.720 this is karma for you uh they're gonna have to they're gonna have to deal with the consequences

00:43:56.880 of whatever this is because i don't even want to call it journalism andrew what are your thoughts

00:44:02.480 yeah i dig i mean you are right about the goes around comes around aspect i mean if digging into

00:44:07.600 the archives again which i realize i've done now twice in this show there they're five years ago i don't

00:44:11.840 know if you guys remember it there was this uh controversy in iowa where a guy at a sporting event

00:44:17.360 had held up a sign uh asking bush to uh give him money to buy more beer uh bush the beer company not

00:44:23.840 george bush and uh then you know he so it became this viral sensation and then the des moines register

00:44:29.120 in iowa ran this like hit piece on him because he had written something you know rude on twitter when he

00:44:34.240 was a teenager this guy so this feel-good viral story ends up becoming it but then people dig into the

00:44:40.080 reporter and find that the reporter who wrote the story had also said naughty things online and then he got

00:44:45.520 fired and it's like no one wins when we do this so in this particular case the uh kid that uh was

00:44:52.160 guilty of being a sports fan and nothing else comes out on top and the hack reporter has no outlet so

00:44:59.440 again i i don't celebrate people losing their jobs in terms of the shutdown but i think that one

00:45:03.600 individual person who lost their job was probably warranted if nothing else just because they were bad

00:45:08.720 at looking at the left side of someone's face when they want to write a story about what's on their face

00:45:13.280 well it's just like basic journalism and journalistic integrity it's like you know you're writing a

00:45:18.080 story you have a screenshot that shows half of his face you must have watched those videos you must

00:45:23.280 have known as a journalist that he didn't he wasn't wearing blackface he was wearing half half and half

00:45:27.840 and it was like they just didn't care editors didn't care whoever looked over the story whoever

00:45:32.080 signed it like i i think that the fault is is broader than just the one journalist and and i think

00:45:36.720 that obviously it showed the raw that this this entire outlet was just not worth saving because

00:45:42.160 what what they were what they're engaging in was just so you know bottom of the barrel mud throwing

00:45:47.520 that that you know no no one no one deserves a job when when you're running an outlet like that

00:45:52.800 harrison i'll give you the final word on this one yeah well it's all part of the the effort to try

00:45:57.440 to erase these names right from sports teams they want to try to erase the kansas city chiefs like

00:46:02.720 they erased the cleveland indians baseball team like they erased the washington redskins none of these names

00:46:08.400 were racist when they were the names none of them are racist now they're actually celebrating that

00:46:12.960 part of american history and that warrior aspect of of the people but of course this is all an effort

00:46:18.640 to try and make the kansas city chiefs and their fans look racist including a kid uh you know they

00:46:24.960 won't stop until they eventually succeed and what and what their plan is which to erase these important

00:46:30.160 cultural uh symbols of the united states no matter what we say about it these football teams are cultural

00:46:36.800 symbols of the u.s and so is the can so are the kansas city chiefs so that's what they're going

00:46:40.880 for they want to try and you know they have them in their targets uh they're going to try to take them

00:46:46.000 out and they're not going to stop this is just i don't think the reality is i don't think anyone

00:46:49.760 is going to learn from this right there's going to be some dead spin you know knock off blog then

00:46:55.040 the next person is going to write a similar article next year and the same cycle is going to keep

00:46:59.040 happening because they don't actually they can't see what's going on they're they're solely focused on

00:47:03.760 trying to take out these teams trying to paint half the country as racist and this is the this

00:47:08.000 is the uh these are the consequences yeah it's like the epitome of the two things that uh the

00:47:12.160 left hates the most right it's like masculinity and and the celebration of masculine strength uh

00:47:17.840 and then second patriotism and and the celebration of community and and america so i think you're

00:47:23.440 totally right with that one harrison all right everybody let's uh call it a day let's have a great weekend

00:47:28.320 everybody thank you so much for tuning in to off the record i don't remember everything you just

00:47:32.240 heard was in fact off the record

00:47:40.560 i exhausted all of my sports knowledge in that uh yeah including including calling goals and

00:47:46.240 soccer points which i i was going to make a point about but i didn't want to interrupt the flow of

00:47:50.160 the conversation yeah wait wait goal you can't call goals points no no they're not because there's

00:47:58.160 there's no they aren't points they're just goals that's just that's just how you get a goal does

00:48:02.560 your score go up by one point but it's one goal it's a point point well we'll have to have this

00:48:09.840 conversation we'll have we'll have to have this debate at a later date so you guys can debate about

00:48:15.280 sports i i really wanted to talk about princess kate kate melton and how she disappeared uh but i i didn't

00:48:21.600 i didn't think you fellows would want to talk oh i would have i would have taken that over the uh

00:48:24.960 the sports one no i i'm i'm all in on the princess of wales drama okay what's your what's your what's

00:48:29.520 your take what's your oh no i just i i'm fascinated by but the problem is you can't talk about the

00:48:33.520 story without talking about that like alec i don't think we can use the word uh pegging on our show

00:48:39.440 but like the weird like really kinky affair allegations which i think are relevant to it and now

00:48:44.080 we're getting reported on see i haven't read that deep into the story here so this is like

00:48:48.480 this is everyone's talking about it like you go i go to school kids and like all the moms are like

00:48:52.960 what's happening with kate middleton is she alive she dead vaccine injured like murdered by prince

00:48:57.840 william it's like it's like that part that part i was aware of but not what andrew just said i was not

00:49:02.400 aware so there have been years there have been these affair allegations and they got like and and

00:49:07.520 the british tabloids will just not report on them at all um and and like one of them was that

00:49:13.680 like marchioness of chumlee now uh this is like the theory is that kate has left william and the

00:49:30.160 palace is in like a free fall over it wait they actually printed those those alligators no the

00:49:35.600 british media didn't but uh spanish media did oh my goodness and now even like uh american outlets

00:49:43.040 are starting to like reference them everyone but britain but it's like when when there was a big

00:49:47.600 scandal with elton john and his husband everyone but the british media reported on it well i guess

00:49:53.680 we'll have to tune in next week on off the record as the uh the content really gets gets a little

00:49:58.320 strange as long as i get to say the marchioness of chumlee on the show i'm happy

Off the Record - March 15, 2024

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