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00:00:00.000 everyone thank you so much for tuning into the program this is off the record i'm your host

00:00:10.880 candace malcolm joined by andrew lawton and harrison faulkner guys great to be on the show

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00:00:29.680 you'll never miss an episode or any of our news stories okay well welcome to uh friday happy

00:00:35.920 friday guys and uh i i want to start by talking about what harrison was just alluding to this hour

00:00:42.060 has 22 minutes which is one of the one of the cringiest shows on television and it's been on

00:00:47.560 television for a long long time and it's just surprising that it's still around it kind of

00:00:51.120 disappears and then it comes back i don't know if they have a weekly show or not but this one kind

00:00:55.600 of caught my eye so they had a journalist i believe it was out in halifax and uh basically

00:01:00.880 this guy went to a pierre poly of conservative rally to try to i don't know clash with pierre or

00:01:07.040 own pierre uh it was a pretty sad feeble attempt so let's uh let's watch that video and uh then

00:01:12.820 we'll see what i tried to get pierre to notice me by playing it cool

00:01:16.160 but i did have to stand in line with my fellow patriots wow pierre poly of such an honor to meet

00:01:25.440 my name is dan i'm with 22 minutes it's so nice to meet you canada's next prime minister and laser

00:01:30.800 eye surgery success story congratulations i think you're doing an amazing job if it was up to me you'd

00:01:36.160 be the leader of the opposition for the rest of your life well i won't be sadly for you and and and you

00:01:41.840 and you're but you know what uh you'll have to earn a living rather than getting it from uh

00:01:47.360 taxpayers money i love that you're cracking down on crime all right i love that you're cracking down

00:01:52.080 on murderers thieves cbc journalists i love that you're cracking down on axing the tax why your

00:01:58.080 rate ratings are so terrible all right no i think that's heartland listen okay here we love you pierre

00:02:05.600 so i don't i don't see much of a difference between the cbc here and like what the rebel

00:02:11.760 does sometimes like i i just you know they show up at an event crash event at least the conservatives

00:02:15.920 let them in the door and they let him get that close to pierre poly of uh not much of a comedy

00:02:21.680 routine there andrew what's your take well they didn't know they let him because they didn't know

00:02:25.680 who he was because he just looked like some random guy it's brutal because it's like that old

00:02:30.480 marg delahunty bit or marge delahunty bit that ezra levant actually back at sun news just

00:02:36.560 did the best like parody of that i've ever seen we'll have to play that on a future episode but

00:02:41.600 the bit is just going up there and then being there it's not actually like they thought through

00:02:47.680 the process of what you say when you get there uh the only thing kind of resembling a joke was

00:02:53.280 you're cracking down on thieves and murderers in the cbc which is kind of an endorsement to be

00:02:59.040 honest of pierre poly of my only dislike is that pierre who was always so quick-witted

00:03:05.120 he flubbed this line that he was about to give at some point where he's like well uh you and you're

00:03:11.120 and he he just couldn't kind of couldn't sum so he he pivoted because he couldn't come up with what

00:03:15.120 he was going to say so but it was just an awkward cringy exchange and it won't be funny at all until

00:03:20.960 22 minutes puts in the laugh track well you know what it seemed as though i disagree with you andrew

00:03:27.120 because i thought the better joke was the laser eye surgery success story it feels like he had

00:03:31.200 that one lined up oh yeah yeah yeah i know yeah he had two lines you're right he had that one lined

00:03:35.840 up he was like this is i'm going to deliver this to pierre it's going to be great and then and then

00:03:40.080 when the response came the mask slipped right he just he just kind of went back into activist mode

00:03:44.640 he went back to being a cbc employee he had his joke set up and then it just kind of went downhill

00:03:49.680 from there he goes oh you're cracking down on cbc journalists why you do that but it was too bad i

00:03:55.200 wish pierre had a had a stronger delivery but you know it's just it's a classic moment the guy

00:04:00.240 can't even hold his hold his character the mask slipped and he went back to activist mode no that's

00:04:05.280 so true and they make this story all about themselves it's like you think like the average

00:04:08.960 person sitting at home is like the thing they're worried about uh pierre polia is like oh he's

00:04:12.960 cracking down on murderers and cbc journalists like i i don't think that even people watching cbc in

00:04:18.400 22 minutes are concerned about his apparent supposed crackdown meanwhile they let them in the room

00:04:24.160 i mean andrew you say that they just thought he was a regular guy but he he had a camera crew did

00:04:28.480 he not i i looked like it was just cell phone video okay well then if you walk in if you walk in with a

00:04:37.760 broadcast like cbc camera they'll just be there right they'll be there regardless so they can bring

00:04:43.200 a second camera with the cbc logo and film it and they wouldn't know any different yeah well i mean i i i

00:04:49.600 i mean but it's not a news production it would be one of their their their uh tv like their um

00:04:54.400 entertainment or entertainment productions but i will one thing i'll say though i would love to find

00:05:00.320 out how much because those photo lines stretch on for hours and actra union wages are not small so

00:05:08.320 i'd love to know how much that actor got paid in overtime just to like stand in the photo line and

00:05:13.920 we're and be at the pierre pauliev rally yeah you should do an atav andrew we should find it out

00:05:18.960 yeah we'll see i know it's a it's a private production company that does it that's how

00:05:22.320 they get around it but i'll see if there's something we can figure out there no it's interesting i mean

00:05:26.240 look i i i i think that the fact that they sent a comedian to go in there and try to get under

00:05:31.280 pierre skin he he handled it pretty well right he had he had a good comeback you know the fact that

00:05:35.600 the guy's like openly partisan saying you know you're a conservative and i hope you remain the

00:05:39.760 opposition leader forever like you know you're a cbc journalist you're not really supposed to be

00:05:44.880 partisan like telling someone i hope you lose the election and if it were up to me you'd always be

00:05:49.120 in opposition uh to the conservatives uh but you know the fact that pierre laughed that off and had

00:05:54.400 a response i i think he he did fairly well and i i would normally just say that the cbc is is is

00:06:00.320 uber biased and that they only pick on conservatives uh but i think this might have been the first time

00:06:05.840 at least that i've seen the cbc actually took a run at justin trudeau and surprisingly they

00:06:10.560 actually captured him pretty well captured his essence uh pretty well so this was a clip that i

00:06:14.560 believe came out uh this year march 13th so this is a week old now uh but let's see how the same uh

00:06:20.000 group 22 minutes mocked prime minister justin trudeau i don't care about housing or pharmacare

00:06:27.280 or any of that stuff the only thing i care about is being liked why is that so off-putting it doesn't

00:06:36.720 seem to matter where i go they say f trudeau no one's ever satisfied oh i i'm a simple man without a spine

00:06:52.000 don't bring up palestine voters are running to the right should i step aside or fight because i'm just

00:07:04.000 in everyone says i'm a has-been is it my legacy to overspend and ravage the economy

00:07:14.320 harrison what's your reaction to that when i was watching that i was just thinking we need we need

00:07:23.520 like a private comedian comedy organization to actually do this job right there shouldn't be in

00:07:29.680 the cbc there should be there should be a company that is doing this because the the material there

00:07:34.320 is endless we've had eight nine years it'll be of this guy giving up just absolute perfect

00:07:40.320 opportunities throwing softballs to comedians and yet the only group that is doing this is cbc

00:07:46.240 so i just watched this thinking it's okay but you know we should we should we should have had

00:07:52.880 at least four or five a year of these great great uh uh you know comedy sketches about trudeau and if

00:08:00.000 it was a private company they probably would have done a good job uh but this is all we get so you

00:08:05.120 know i guess we'll take what we get i don't know so i i actually have the solution to this

00:08:10.320 uh to the bad comedy writing at cbc what they need to do is reallocate resources so we have talked

00:08:16.720 about on not on this show but on other shows at true north this cbc series called first person

00:08:22.560 where they bring in these submitted contributions from people in canada uh one of them losing at

00:08:28.880 gambling didn't deter me because i held on to hope that i would strike the jackpot someday

00:08:34.080 uh one of them i haven't cut my hair in 13 years it's an act of defiance and connecting with my

00:08:40.480 african roots uh another one here canada is winter with our warming climate i feel like i'm losing a

00:08:47.680 part of me they just need to get their first person contributors brought on to their writing because

00:08:52.960 this is real comedy here not the stuff 22 minutes is doing this is where the laughs are at cbc

00:08:58.560 no you're right it's it's it's funnier if you just read it all as satire on the entire site

00:09:04.880 the entire website uh but but i mean look i think for 22 minutes they did a pretty good job i think

00:09:10.560 that trudeau at his core he's a narcissist and he's shallow and he doesn't want to think deeply about

00:09:15.840 issues he just wants to be liked and loved and i you know for those of us who are critical of trudeau

00:09:21.040 we've seen this about him from day one and it's like you know it took the cbc like eight years to

00:09:26.400 conjure the the courage uh to depict him in this way which which i think at least you know the video

00:09:33.520 was cringy and i didn't i didn't like the fact that the guy didn't have a shirt on that was repulsive

00:09:37.680 but uh you know overall it was pretty pretty pretty good pretty funny i think your your point though if i

00:09:44.240 can do the worst thing possible which is just try to make a serious you know philosophical point about

00:09:50.240 something that's supposed to be funny there is a lot of truth to the fact that cbc did wait so long

00:09:55.920 because comedy used to be the biggest anti-establishment tool that you could have in your arsenal it's the

00:10:02.000 way that you take aim at authority you punch up and what cbc and i would say a lot of mainstream

00:10:08.880 comedians are doing now is the opposite they want comedy to be a vehicle for whatever the

00:10:14.000 establishment position is so now that it's unpopular in canada to like justin trudeau they'll

00:10:20.000 decide to poke some fun at justin trudeau but when where where were they when it was i i don't

00:10:24.960 want to be too dramatic to say brave or courageous but where were they when it was you know going

00:10:29.440 against the grain to do that yeah they know like all journalists must must know this about trudeau

00:10:37.440 even his staff that the best way to get under his skin would be to make fun of him to mock him

00:10:41.920 right and to mock him on a with a larger audience so they had they had the opportunity to do this

00:10:47.360 and i think we would have been better served if we if they had been doing this obviously we would

00:10:50.560 have been better served if they had been doing this for years because that would be the best way

00:10:54.400 to get under his skin to actually make something happen with justin trudeau is to just continuously

00:10:59.840 mock him you know the americans did that with trump for every day until they basically ruined their own

00:11:04.480 careers these stand-up comedians and these late night talk show hosts the material was endless every

00:11:10.880 single day you could have made you could have made a hilarious video about trudeau over the past eight

00:11:15.920 years and they just weren't able to do it but that would that would have been the best way to actually

00:11:20.560 get under his skin right well tucker carlson made this point when he spoke i believe it was in calgary 0.66

00:11:25.520 and he just said you know the the people who lead your country canadians are so absurd and so 0.98

00:11:29.920 ridiculous they deserve to be mocked and that's how you maintain some power over them because that's 0.96

00:11:34.160 the one thing that they can't handle and and i look back at you know again just not not to be too 0.98

00:11:39.120 serious about it but you look back at saturday night live in the history of that show one of the components

00:11:43.200 has always been mocking the president making fun of the president and then in 2008 when barack obama

00:11:48.000 was elected they just didn't know what to do and they had to completely abandon that and they stopped

00:11:51.520 mocking him and it's like barack obama is a pretty mockable character he you know you can make fun of

00:11:55.200 him he has a very distinct way of speaking you know he he he's kind of out of touch in so many ways

00:12:00.800 it's it's easy to make fun of him but they never did they they refused to right and then and then all

00:12:05.280 of a sudden trump came in and they went like really over the top with their with their depictions of him

00:12:10.800 i think alec baldwin was basically brought in full time to be their like trump impersonator

00:12:15.520 and in some ways it was like endearing to to some people to see the way that trump was

00:12:20.000 was depicted and and then the snl got like blamed for being too like making like humanizing trump

00:12:25.840 basically and and then now you have joe biden in the white house who's just a total like everything

00:12:31.200 about it is a farce it's it's like the most hilarious thing that you can imagine this like senile old

00:12:36.080 confused man in the white house and they're kind of like you know they barely they barely touch it

00:12:40.720 they barely go after him so i you know i i think i think that the the comedy as you as you pointed out

00:12:46.400 harrison the whole comedy field has has shown their true colors that they're just partisan hacks they're

00:12:50.720 not really comedians that are there to you know put uh poke against uh power and uh you know say the

00:12:58.240 uncomfortable things that we want comedians to say yeah and not to make it too american of course but i just

00:13:03.920 found that especially snl's coverage after the state of the union was really telling right they

00:13:09.280 had they had biden they biden made his own gaffes in the speech but they basically spent the entire

00:13:14.080 uh saturday night live episode going after the republican response video because that in itself was

00:13:18.720 cringy and absurd as well but again it's as you say they show their colors these comedians can't

00:13:24.480 really uh they can't they can't really be trusted to to do an honest job and that's why i think we need

00:13:29.840 to have we need to have like where's the second city guys doing videos about justin trudeau or

00:13:34.560 the other comedians in our country we used to be good our country used to be known for having some

00:13:38.720 of the best comedians and there's just so much material there for trudeau i wish we had this for

00:13:43.200 the past eight years have you guys seen just totally off topic but have you seen any of the israeli uh

00:13:49.440 sat like kind of the israeli version of 22 minutes their clips mocking like hamas and the media's

00:13:54.800 treatment of hamas like that's real comedy if you haven't seen any of that take a look into some of those 1.00

00:13:58.720 clips yeah no those are those are fine in some ways they're more effective than the ones that are

00:14:02.320 giving you a lecture because they just show how absurd the coverage is uh one of the things i

00:14:07.200 liked about the 22 minutes clip though is is that they they showed this side of justin trudeau uh

00:14:13.040 that that is obviously true that people in his inner circle people know him know about him which

00:14:17.360 is that he's kind of like unhappy with being prime minister right now and it was really telling

00:14:21.120 they put out that clip again on march 13th and then on march 18th i know both of you fellows

00:14:26.000 covered this on your shows uh but there was an interview that justin trudeau did speaking in

00:14:31.680 french but he basically just said he thinks about quitting and that his job is crazy and that it's

00:14:36.320 boring and he doesn't like it and and basically that it's just like a huge personal sacrifice for

00:14:41.440 him to be prime minister and he just doesn't even know if he wants to do it anymore which

00:14:45.680 to me is like really you know because when i look at him i see a power-hungry tyrant who will

00:14:49.920 like clench to power until like the day he's removed from the throne uh but but apparently his other

00:14:55.120 side uh that that just feels sad and doesn't want to do anymore andrew what do you think

00:14:59.600 no i to be honest it he's very relatable and i i realized in that interview how much i have

00:15:04.000 in common with him because i also think about him quitting every day okay good i thought you were

00:15:09.200 gonna say you think you're quitting trudeau i was like wait no you can't no no i i think that

00:15:14.080 it was bizarre and the point that i took on it not to belabor the stuff i shared on my show but

00:15:19.760 was that his permanent orientation is that he is the victim and that he can do no wrong so when

00:15:26.480 there's you know a black face it's a community learning opportunity for the whole country when

00:15:32.160 it's snc lavalin it's well the story in the globe and mail was false like anything that comes up uh he

00:15:37.680 is the the child that can point to someone else and find a reason why they did it and not him and i

00:15:43.600 think this is really an extension of that because what he's doing here he's saying that he's the

00:15:47.600 victim he is the victim he is the prime minister of canada he has had effectively unfettered reign

00:15:53.920 over this country for eight years and he is still somehow a victim in that i've had some time to

00:16:01.600 think about this uh i talked to i talked about it on my show as well and at first i assumed that it was

00:16:07.200 like a classic trudeau kind of gaffe moment that he just said what was in his head and didn't realize

00:16:12.560 what it meant and how crazy it is to say that about being a minister but now i've come to realize

00:16:18.800 that i think it was an intentional i think i think he meant it intentionally i think it was an effort

00:16:22.880 to try to appear you know relatable and human to canadians and say yeah you know this is a job that

00:16:28.480 sometimes i think about quitting because then he said after but i can't quit because the fight is

00:16:32.560 too important the climate fight the the women's rights fight is too important now if that was 0.94

00:16:37.600 intentional i'm not going to give him the credit to say that he came up with that himself that was

00:16:42.080 probably one of his genius communications advisors who said yeah you should you should make this the

00:16:46.320 new communications line that you're just like canadians and you think about leaving your crazy

00:16:50.560 job every day if that was intentional that is the worst communications strategy ever deployed i think

00:16:56.800 i mean how can you end up on the side of 70 percent of canadians who want you to resign 0.99

00:17:01.760 when you say you think about quitting every day it's just it's just so pathetic and weak and i i 0.85

00:17:07.840 really believe that he did it intentionally yeah he's gonna be good i was thinking about that too 0.88

00:17:12.080 harrison sorry if i was cutting off there but it's like you know this is this is a government that is

00:17:16.080 incredibly disciplined when it comes to messages right it's like justin trudeau will repeat the

00:17:20.320 same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again and the cabinet won't answer

00:17:24.160 questions like they'll be asked a question and they'll just say something totally different that has

00:17:27.760 nothing to do with questions like everything they do is deliberate everything they do is like

00:17:31.520 been run through the spun machine spin machine and been poll tested and and then and then seeing

00:17:36.400 this kind of moment of vulnerability from the from prime minister i i think you're right i think that

00:17:40.800 the idea was that like we're supposed to feel sorry for him and that he's showing vulnerability and

00:17:45.520 that he's a real person and that we should have some empathy for him or something like that i i i think

00:17:50.240 it was intentional uh andrew final word to you no i think that you're right that it's deliberate it

00:17:56.640 wasn't an off-the-cuff thing i one of the bigger trends i think is that he is following he's always

00:18:01.360 far more candid in french than in english like it's and i i wonder if it's deliberate because he

00:18:06.320 knows that it's harder to play the clip uh or in this case we had fighting between you know a pmo

00:18:11.760 staffer and other people about what the translation was of his comment but the the thing like even

00:18:17.680 his comments in 2021 about you know the unvaccinated and being racist misogynist those were in french

00:18:23.920 his comments here in french and obviously it's a bilingual country sometimes clips are going to be in both

00:18:28.720 languages but it seems like he's far more candid when he's speaking to french journalists

00:18:33.520 yeah i don't know if that's because he's more comfortable in french or if that is like you're

00:18:37.040 saying like he knows that it can't be spun in the english media but but yeah there was a weird there

00:18:41.520 was a weird element that he used the word plat uh which is in france quebec slang and it can either

00:18:47.360 mean boring or like disappointing and so a bbc article originally said that he said that it was boring to

00:18:52.880 be prime minister and then i guess pmo yelled at them and they changed it to it's challenging to be

00:18:58.000 prime minister which i don't think the plot is a translation of challenging but interesting uh that

00:19:04.160 that that was that that was something that came out of it yeah yeah everybody everybody in the comments

00:19:08.880 in my video these these quebecers they're like no he said it was boring like that that word means 1.00

00:19:14.320 boring and if you take it if you take it like directly that's what it means so to assume that the bbc

00:19:20.160 were being you know malicious in their translation you know intentionally trying to get big clicks out

00:19:25.840 of this i don't think they did that all they did was take the direct translation which is it is super

00:19:30.960 boring you know it's not that it's super tough it that's what it means so i mean this is a classic spin

00:19:37.040 job this is i feel i said i felt bad for the communication staffers because they came up with

00:19:41.600 this strategy and then they had to work overtime all night on friday all weekend trying to make it seem as

00:19:47.200 though you know bbc was intentionally to translate oh and say he thought it was super boring what it

00:19:54.160 means like that's what he said yeah and and even just to take that a little deeper it's like how

00:20:00.400 could you think that the prime minister's job is boring like you know it requires so much work to

00:20:05.440 understand like all the different elements of the federal government and keep on top of all the

00:20:09.600 things that are happening with your cabinet and your objectives and all of caucus like it's a huge huge

00:20:15.360 job so if you're finding it boring you know you're not doing it right um uh not what we're seeing

00:20:21.680 andrew i want you to take it over from here because uh there was a a cartoon that got posted that

00:20:26.160 probably shouldn't have um that that tells us something pretty ugly uh about our our willingness

00:20:31.680 to uh go down sort of racist tropes uh without yeah go ahead i think we're probably running late on

00:20:37.600 time so i won't spend too much on this uh but there was we talked earlier about trudeau being more

00:20:43.120 candid with french media i think quebec media itself is also far more candid about uh where its

00:20:48.640 priorities are there was this cartoon in la presse yesterday that or may might have been two days ago

00:20:55.760 that was uh looking at netanyahu and depicting him as nosferatu uh nosfin yahoo now which is you may

00:21:06.480 think okay well it's a vampire yeah that's a little uh a little much but uh the jews as vampires trope 0.98

00:21:12.400 is actually a long-standing bit of anti-semitic propaganda that goes back to effectively nazi

00:21:17.760 germany and even earlier and uh this is basically as directly and explicitly anti-semitic as you can

00:21:25.280 get now political cartoons obviously are not meant to be nice and some are going to be a little bit

00:21:30.640 more edgy but this just went far beyond uh any of that and again this is not a censorship discussion no

00:21:36.480 one's saying they don't have a legal right to do that we're talking about questions of of taste would

00:21:41.120 they ever depict uh you know a muslim leader like that would they ever depict uh someone of that uh

00:21:46.960 religion like that the answer is no but jews are fair game and i think webeck is certainly taking that

00:21:52.640 up now uh they did apologize for this but the apology is always uh a little bit thin when it comes

00:21:59.680 after something has gone through as many layers i mean even true north which is a scrappy little upstart

00:22:05.200 we have a couple of layers on everything that we publish uh these legacy media outlets have even

00:22:09.680 more so the the number of people that would have seen that uh either approve the idea or approve the

00:22:15.040 cartoon hit publish upload on it is significant here i don't really think the apology means all that much

00:22:22.240 well yeah it's it's always like a team effort to put it out and then they manage to like find one

00:22:25.920 person to blame uh when when they're taking it down but this seems to happen with some frequency in

00:22:31.440 the media all over the world i know al jazeera frequently publishes cartoons uh that just seem

00:22:37.120 to to really depict jews in like a physically negative way and i i wasn't personally aware of

00:22:42.720 the the vampire uh connection but you know once you read a little bit about it you're like okay that's

00:22:47.840 that's pretty obvious and it doesn't take a lot of research to find it so why didn't someone

00:22:53.280 in the higher ups of one of these organizations you know stop it i i i i just yeah i find it very off

00:23:00.880 putting well yeah and andrew the point you make about how they would never depict a muslim like

00:23:05.120 this the muslim leader like this is obviously important because we know the fact we know the

00:23:09.760 truth they wouldn't right but for israelis for netanyahu you know netanyahu's made mistakes he's

00:23:16.560 he's very open and and he you know there's a lot to criticize netanyahu about plenty but the reality

00:23:23.440 is they would never do this they would never depict a muslim leader like this and i think that's

00:23:27.840 something that needs to be discussed that's that's that's the reality here well we know why they

00:23:33.520 wouldn't depict a muslim leader like that because muslims would be having none of it and there would 1.00

00:23:37.120 be riots and there'd probably be blood uh spilt over it so journalists have learned their lesson to 0.95

00:23:43.680 be uh sufficiently afraid of offending muslims but jews to andrews pointer are still completely fair game

00:23:50.480 uh let's let's move on harrison you you wanted to show us some of these um clips that have gone viral

00:23:55.840 over the last two days here in canada yeah if you have any if you have any issues or are you paying

00:24:01.520 attention to the mass immigration debacle that has taken over our country and is destroying our our 1.00

00:24:07.440 working class jobs basically take a look at this because we've seen we've done videos on this before

00:24:13.040 but i have to show you this lineup for a warehouse job outside of an lcbo i think it's in london ontario

00:24:19.200 take a look at this this is just this is just what we've been seeing now basically at any of these

00:24:25.040 minimum wage warehouse style jobs uh you know service industry jobs look at this you have

00:24:31.280 international students and temporary foreign workers lining up as far as the eye can see to

00:24:36.720 try and get these jobs now we we can go into we can go into all the details behind this but the

00:24:42.000 reality is we've talked about it at length before in all of our shows this is just getting out of

00:24:46.880 hand um this is obviously getting out of hand the people who come to this country don't expect this

00:24:51.840 is what they're going to end up having to do and it's also having a serious impact on canadians

00:24:56.880 candace i know you've talked about this recently in an interview what were your thoughts when you

00:24:59.920 saw that video uh that they don't know how to cue they you know they're they're pushing each other

00:25:04.480 it's like that's not how you this is canada it's a civilized country you cannot push people while

00:25:08.000 you're waiting in line i've i've i remember i was traveling once in in eastern europe and i was waiting

00:25:12.960 to get on a train and all of a sudden like people started kind of like cutting in front of me and i was

00:25:17.680 like what is going on like the people like the fact that we have orderly lines in canada is like

00:25:22.480 a very western thing i think and then as soon as you kind of step into other parts of the world

00:25:26.800 you realize that they don't have they don't have the same basic decorum of like you know whoever

00:25:30.800 comes the next person goes next next person goes next and seeing seeing those people push to get

00:25:35.360 in i was like oh i'm glad i'm out there uh on on a serious uh deeper level though i mean i think that

00:25:40.800 both of these these jobs are required people that don't really speak english right their warehouse jobs

00:25:46.000 or fixing tires or something like that uh i think it's a huge problem the fact that we have so many

00:25:49.920 young people that i i i believe that those people are immigrants or international students uh maybe

00:25:56.240 they're all canadians i don't know but it just it just strikes me as not a good sign when you have

00:26:01.280 that many young men who don't have jobs who want jobs who need money and you know there's only so few

00:26:06.480 of those kind of service jobs available in the economy and there's a reason these clips are going viral

00:26:12.080 right because canadians feel feel the impact of this and when they see it they know what's

00:26:18.080 actually happening which is of course that service and service industry jobs entry-level jobs which

00:26:24.000 were always supposed to go to young canadians in high school young canadians in university to try

00:26:28.000 to build up their work experience they're no longer able to get these jobs because what's happening is

00:26:33.120 people come to this country they need they need pr points so they all flock to these jobs and their 1.00

00:26:39.120 wages are artificially lower than what they would be if they were canadian workers because

00:26:43.920 employers know that these people are desperate for jobs so they'll take anything at a lower price

00:26:48.240 and what happens is that's a domino effect when that starts happening you start to lower average

00:26:53.200 wages and it's impacting canadians and canadians are realizing that and that's why these clips are

00:26:57.520 going viral because i don't even think it's a pr thing i don't think these people are necessarily

00:27:02.320 sophisticated enough to understand the intricacies of our immigration system i think you know when you let

00:27:06.880 in 900 000 international students which is what trudeau did in 2023 uh you know you have people

00:27:12.800 just needing to survive because they come to canada and they don't necessarily have enough money to

00:27:17.840 survive right they think okay i'll go to canada it's a beautiful rich country i'll make some money and

00:27:22.480 then i'll be able to support myself and send money home that's just not the reality right and just just

00:27:27.120 a very fact that we have that sheer number 900 000 my guess is the majority of which are in ontario in the

00:27:33.360 gta uh is it's just to your point harrison a huge supply and demand mismatch i'll just say one final

00:27:39.840 point i studied abroad in australia when i was in school and my student visa did not allow me to work

00:27:45.520 it very implicitly said that i could not work i could only get a job on campus and you know that i i

00:27:52.400 knew that going in and i was prepared to not have a job while i was there i was there to study but i know

00:27:56.640 a lot of people who also came you know they were used to working you know whatever campus they came from

00:28:01.360 whether they were from canada or the us or europe you know they wanted to get a job to have some

00:28:05.440 spending money and they couldn't because the visa didn't allow them in canada we don't have any such

00:28:09.200 restrictions so the idea is that they can come and study like two hours a week and then work 40 hours

00:28:14.720 and and then so they come to get a job even though they they don't have a visa that's supposed to be

00:28:19.680 economic they don't have a visa that's supposed to allow them the economy it's like a loophole they just

00:28:24.320 become an international student enroll at any university and or college or trade school or any anyone

00:28:30.320 most of them are a lot of them are scams um and and then you have this kind of huge overflow of

00:28:35.280 people trying to get like very low low low scale jobs and it's it's not good well there's no smooth

00:28:41.760 segue to this next story but we're gonna do it anyway uh folks the the fish wars are well and truly

00:28:47.200 on in newfoundland i talked about this on my show yesterday but i want to just bring this up again

00:28:52.400 because this is a story that deserves national media attention i don't think it's getting national

00:28:56.480 media attention but it really it really deserves it in newfoundland for the past five days fishermen

00:29:01.840 have been protesting outside of the confederation building in saint john's they're protesting because

00:29:07.360 there is basically a cartel that is controlling the cell the sale of fish in that province you can

00:29:13.760 only basically sell your fish to about two companies who then artificially jack up the price of that fish

00:29:19.600 in the market and what's happening is fishermen who have been at this for decades now most of them

00:29:25.120 are now in their 50s they're poor they're struggling to put food on their own table and

00:29:29.600 they're not able to actually do the job and live the life they were living because of what's been

00:29:34.400 going on in newfoundland well they had enough and they've been protesting outside confederation

00:29:39.200 building in newfoundland over the next of the new budget and you have to look at this because

00:29:44.320 this is what we're seeing in canada now if you are protesting against uh in government measures

00:29:49.920 from the federal government or even the provincial level especially the liberal governments like they

00:29:53.280 have in newfoundland well they treat you a lot differently than they do if you're protesting for

00:29:57.600 hamas for example you see these fishermen who are peaceful the entire time they were outside of the

00:30:02.640 newfoundland uh confederation building all of a sudden the royal newfoundland constabulary

00:30:08.640 brings out the horses just like they did in ottawa and here you can see some footage

00:30:13.920 of what that protest looked like outside the confederation building

00:30:26.720 so there you go if you wanted to instigate a crowd right if you if you were intentionally trying

00:30:31.440 to instigate a crowd to make them more angry what better way than to bring out the horses

00:30:37.440 and what do you think about what's what we're seeing in newfoundland right now

00:30:40.080 look i think there's in general a tremendous amount of unrest in this country and we've seen

00:30:48.080 in the course of covid that a lot of these groups and networks that had never existed i mean canada is

00:30:54.240 not a country i mean you look in europe and protests are just an everyday occurrence and as a result you

00:31:01.360 have institutions that are set up to deal with them that are not just completely brought to their

00:31:04.880 knees because of them and you have people that sort of have in their dna that idea of protest and

00:31:10.560 whether it's effective or not depends but canada has never had that and i think covet and then the

00:31:15.520 convoy particularly changed that and i think now people have a lower tolerance level a lower trust level

00:31:23.040 and have also organized into these communities which i think are are adapting a lot of these people i

00:31:29.120 wouldn't be surprised to see are probably as people that were not involved in the yellow vest protests

00:31:34.560 a few years ago which were against carbon taxes and anti-pipeline policies but now are being involved

00:31:40.080 in in these sorts of demonstrations absolutely candace what do you think well yeah i think to andrew's

00:31:45.760 point i remember when uh the occupy wall street movement was happening i think around 20 2010 and you

00:31:52.480 kind of came to this conclusion that on the political left there's sort of like a class of professional

00:31:56.960 protesters and they're just really good at it and every time there's anything tangentially related

00:32:01.440 to like socialism or marxism they're there in numbers they know what to do they know what to say

00:32:06.160 and they have a lot of practice and at the time it was like you know why don't conservatives or why

00:32:10.320 don't people on the political right protest and usually it's like well they have jobs and they have

00:32:14.000 families and they're busy right they have lives and they're part of their communities and they just

00:32:18.000 don't they just don't have the time and i i think andrew is completely correct that in recent years

00:32:23.120 we've just seen people being pushed to their absolute limits that they just they don't believe

00:32:27.680 what's happening they don't like what's happening they're absolutely at their wits ends they don't

00:32:32.160 know what else to do and i think we did a pretty good job you both the two of you uh documenting this

00:32:36.880 at the freedom convoy that so many of the people that were there had never protested anything in their

00:32:41.040 entire lives many of them hadn't even voted they weren't politically engaged at all and i think that you

00:32:45.520 are seeing this sort of new awakening consciousness of people on the political right saying okay well we've

00:32:50.240 seen the left do this for decades and uh you know they seem to be winning and getting what they want

00:32:55.280 a lot more than we are so it's time for us to wake up and and do and do it as well and i don't think

00:33:00.000 that the establishment quite know what to do about it right it's like that's why they smear people

00:33:03.920 protesting on the right as being you know fascists and whatever else smears because they don't know how

00:33:09.120 to deal with the political pressure coming from the right and i i think it's it's it's i'm not even

00:33:14.320 saying these fishermen are conservative i don't know that they are uh probably probably not but but but you know they're

00:33:19.680 working people and they're not the kind of people that you would typically see protesting like this

00:33:24.400 and two final thoughts just on this because i think it's really important one is the fact that

00:33:29.280 the state of newfoundland has no business being in the state that it is in the people have no there's

00:33:34.800 no reason why the people in that province are in such a dire economic uh in such a dire economic

00:33:40.800 position it's one of the most resource rich provinces in our country and for decades now they

00:33:45.040 have been some of the poorest people in our country that that is something that i do not

00:33:48.720 understand and i think it's a scandal that they've been treated this way and second of all the way

00:33:54.480 that protests are handled in this country now is extremely alarming it should really it should really

00:33:59.200 ring alarm bells for canadians like i said before in toronto the hamas protesters were given coffee by

00:34:05.520 the toronto police they're treated with kid gloves they are not treated as though they are dangerous

00:34:10.960 rioters which in many cases they aren't however they do protest outside of synagogues they do 0.99

00:34:15.680 intimidate jews who are trying to go to a try to go to a religious uh a place of worship and these 0.76

00:34:22.640 people in newfoundland they are peaceful canadians who have been just working to try to make a living

00:34:29.280 and they bring out the horses there are reports that one man had his hip broken by one of those by one

00:34:34.720 of those police horses just like they did in ottawa they trampled them and they trampled these

00:34:39.120 newfoundlanders for protesting for their for just to be able to live right just be able to put food

00:34:44.000 on their own table it's it's it's it's i can't believe what we're have what we're seeing now in

00:34:48.880 canada where there's a double standard if you are protesting against the government the state will

00:34:53.520 deploy the heaviest use of force against you but if you were if you were protesting for a cause which

00:34:59.040 the liberals and the ndp see as politically uh you know opportunistic for them well they treat you

00:35:04.800 with kid gloves that's a disgrace no it's it's true it's like you know they they see and and when

00:35:09.760 i said i don't necessarily know that these people are conservative or not what what they are are you

00:35:13.680 know working class blue-collar white people and and that's what scares the authorities and that's

00:35:18.880 what they're afraid of they think that the political right is like sticking time bomb and

00:35:22.160 anytime they see working class protesters they they get they get scared and their reaction to your

00:35:27.280 point harrison is much much stronger and more aggressive than it would be against the sort of typical

00:35:32.720 college uh educated pro-palestine pro-trans whatever the latest uh trend of the day is and

00:35:39.040 is it's you're right it's a complete double standard

00:35:43.760 all right let's uh let's wrap it up guys thanks so much for tuning in everyone

00:35:46.800 thanks for watching have a great weekend remember everything you just heard was off the record

00:35:56.880 there i didn't say anything that was going to get bleeped this time

00:35:59.040 i don't think i don't know congratulations sometimes it just slips out you never know

00:36:06.720 maybe maybe if we maybe if we all bring back you know some booze on the show then uh we'll get

00:36:11.280 more moments like that andrew from the last yeah no no i hold my liquor well i'll have you know

00:36:18.240 well the first you've gone away from that no the first episode you may recall uh we were planning

00:36:22.800 on doing it the night before so i had poured this glass of wine and then i still had it the next

00:36:26.400 morning so i was just like you know drinking my prop wine at like you know i don't know 7 30 a.m

00:36:30.640 or whenever we were doing it right and then the rest of us were having real coffee no one of these

00:36:34.880 days we'll do it at a time when i'm not pregnant or breastfeeding we'll we'll do it in person one

00:36:39.680 and we'll have we'll have some nice chardonnay or some you know or something like that and

00:36:46.640 yeah we'll do it in person it's uh i think you just announced your pregnancy in the banter reel

00:36:51.120 oh i i think everyone knows by now i think in the pre-show a few weeks ago we had that

00:36:56.560 announcement as well so oh yes viewers loyal viewers will will be uh will be well aware

Off the Record - March 22, 2024

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