Off the Record - What exactly does Jagmeet Singh want？

00:00:00.000 yeah rachel usually you you have the nicest setup out of all of us but uh you kind of downgraded

00:00:05.280 today what's going on there i'm i'm broadcasting to everyone live today from a cave no i'm in a

00:00:11.600 cabin um out west in the mountain so fortunately not a very glossy scene for me today you look

00:00:19.360 like you're on the set of a david lynch film i don't know if you guys have seen twin peaks

00:00:25.040 the late david lynch unfortunately he passed away we're not as cultured as you yeah no i'm like

00:00:31.760 twin peaks david lynch no none of these things i hope somebody in the audience gets the reference

00:00:36.000 at least i feel like the audience probably will definitely get the reference you might have aged

00:00:39.760 yourself a little bit though i'm also technically at a family thing right now so if you hear some

00:00:45.600 like pitter patter of feet running in the background or you get you know some hearing some babies

00:00:50.320 screaming that's why but i just cared about the audience so much you know i had to make sure i

00:00:54.320 was here today to to give them the friday fun news so let's get it started

00:01:04.160 hey everyone welcome back to off the record i will be your host today rachel parker i am joined

00:01:10.240 by my colleagues isaac lamoreau host of the alberta roundup and cosmon gergia who is host of the daily

00:01:18.240 free that's what's called right the morning yeah i haven't done it in a while

00:01:25.360 all the uh although like moms out there will will relate which is like a good portion of our audience

00:01:30.080 you just don't remember things anymore after you have kids so it's been another spicy week in canadian

00:01:35.840 politics i feel like we're kind of at the point now with you you write a story or you produce a podcast

00:01:41.840 episode you publish it and like an hour later you're like oh the news is out of date and no

00:01:47.520 one wants to watch this now because um something more spicy happened with the tear offs or in the

00:01:52.240 case of you know the state there's obviously that crazy um helicopter and plane crash it's like people

00:01:57.520 are pretty focused on that but we know that our canadian audience really loves and appreciates some

00:02:02.160 canadian news and there's obviously not a lot of independent media out there doing what we're doing

00:02:07.680 so we wanted to bring you guys some updates this week from ottawa starting off with your favorite

00:02:14.320 i'm kind of torn if people dislike jagmeet singh or christia freeland more i think actually probably

00:02:19.760 jagmeet singh is even more disliked um he's saying things again all of it essentially meaningless but

00:02:26.320 you know he's been kind of waffling on what he's going to do with the federal government is he going to

00:02:31.440 continue to prop them up after we see this liberal leadership race i will also see a new prime minister

00:02:36.800 or is he still going to bring the government down early and now he's essentially saying because of

00:02:42.880 the tariffs that are supposed to be rolled out tomorrow he's saying that the liberals need to

00:02:47.760 read call parliament the parliament's returned so they can pass a suite of pandemic style um relief

00:02:54.320 packages for workers so he's saying he's insisting that the government returns to pass you know billions

00:03:01.840 of dollars of spending to support workers like we saw during the pandemic the type that crippled

00:03:06.720 our economy which it still has not recovered from the type that would just simply devalue the

00:03:11.040 canadian dollar even further i had economist jack mince on my podcast the rachel parker show earlier

00:03:16.800 this week and he said what we're going to see the effect of these tariffs is it's going to further

00:03:20.640 devalue the canadian dollar and in addition if the federal government does pass pandemic-like measures

00:03:26.320 that will even more devalue the canadian dollar so i know everyone at home you're wondering didn't

00:03:30.400 actually realize i could be more poor than i currently am but it sounds like we will all be even more

00:03:35.440 poor very soon so i'm just going to let you hear jagmeet out of the horse's mouth directly here's

00:03:39.760 what he had to say about what he wants liberals to do and while the liberals seem more focused on

00:03:44.480 themselves i have a specific message to the liberals if you're serious about supports workers i'm demanding

00:03:52.160 that the liberal government call back parliament let's put before parliament a package to protect

00:03:58.240 workers support workers that are impacted by these tariffs and to support communities the workers

00:04:03.520 behind me are for sue saint-marie sue saint-marie is a community in a in a city that could be hard

00:04:08.880 hit by these tariffs so let's stand up for this sue let's stand up for all communities across canada

00:04:14.240 they're going to be hard hit by the tariffs and let's put in place supports before the worst happens

00:04:19.760 so i'm calling on the liberal government to recall parliament bring parliament back let's pass legislation

00:04:26.960 that supports workers because we're going to have an election in the spring nothing changes around that

00:04:31.440 we are going to be voting down the government in march but there's still two months the liberals

00:04:36.800 think that they can wait two months before they bring in legislation they are wrong that would allow

00:04:42.000 workers to suffer for two months that is not the right way to do things so i'm calling on the liberals

00:04:47.200 recall parliament put forward protections for workers before parliament let's get the opposition

00:04:52.720 leaders together obviously we need to support that kind of package and then let's have an election in

00:04:57.200 the spring first and foremost the liberals are not planning on returning back to parliament to

00:05:02.400 pass these measures they have said that they would like to pass support for workers at some point but

00:05:07.440 they are not looking to go back to parliament earlier to do that so is you know we already know

00:05:12.160 the answer of what he's asked but the thing that really caught my attention there is he says we are

00:05:16.560 going to have an election in the spring so he's still saying you know i'm going to bring down the

00:05:20.480 government we're going to have an early election this spring but also you liberals i want you to do this

00:05:26.080 it's sort of like he's already ruined his argument typically you know you have kind of the carrot and

00:05:29.680 the stick argument where he's saying look if you do this for me then i'll continue to prop up your

00:05:33.520 government that's what he's been doing for the last few years is saying oh well you know the liberals

00:05:38.320 are helping me out with dental care so but if they don't do this if they don't do that i'm going to

00:05:42.080 bring down the government but now he's asking them to do something that they don't want to do

00:05:46.080 and he's not even promising them to continue propping up the government so i'm not quite sure what type of

00:05:51.120 politicking he thinks this is i don't know what he's hoping to achieve here it doesn't even seem

00:05:56.080 like you know it doesn't even seem like a adequate game plan but cosmic maybe i'm missing something

00:06:00.880 what's your take well jagmeet singh talks a lot about supporting workers and the number one thing

00:06:09.680 to do to support workers in this situation is to avoid tariffs altogether because auto sector for

00:06:16.960 example is going to be hard hit we know trump wants to maybe perhaps completely cut off auto imports from

00:06:24.160 canada and jagmeet singh thinks that somehow workers want handouts instead of being able to go and earn

00:06:33.120 a dollar at their work and and a dollar that's not devalued so the number one thing jagmeet singh

00:06:39.040 should be doing is advocating for a way to avoid these tariffs but he's not he wants to go back to these

00:06:46.320 huge pandemic bailouts that ended up actually costing people more than it it actually saved them and the

00:06:53.760 the difference is that with the pandemic at least that was the time when all countries were engaging

00:06:59.680 in bailouts if we do it now we're going to be you know maybe it's us in mexico and that it's going to

00:07:05.680 be a huge problem there's no it's not a level playing field and there's only so much you can do to offset

00:07:12.480 the cost of tariffs what are they going to continue this on forever it's it's ridiculous it's not a way to

00:07:18.880 approach the problem and it's not they they need to have they need to think about problem solving and

00:07:24.640 the number one problem is how can we prevent these tariffs from taking place because they're not in

00:07:29.840 place right now they could be in place by tomorrow uh but they we need to seriously sit down this is like

00:07:37.280 last minute negotiating stuff and instead he's talking about bringing a bill that could cost billions

00:07:43.920 and billions of dollars at a time when the government is actually running out of money and

00:07:48.320 what i we spoke about this a little before what doesn't make sense to me is that when government

00:07:53.760 returns they need to have a supply bill and that will be the first confidence vote there's how are

00:08:00.160 they going to pass a multi-billion dollar you know omnibus bill that could you know have sweeping

00:08:06.960 effects on the economy when they don't even have money to fund the operations of the government

00:08:12.080 you raise a really good point there that is one of the most comical things like i always say

00:08:18.480 in this type of scenario you kind of have to laugh even though it's going to be pretty devastating for

00:08:22.400 us and people but with this government i've learned you know andrew clavin his shtick is kind of like

00:08:26.560 laugh along with the fall of the republic i feel like i've really taken that on you have to find comedy

00:08:30.880 in the sad things that our government is doing real quickly become a very bitter and jaded person but

00:08:36.400 essentially what we're seeing in parliament is we're seeing mps and leaders running around with their

00:08:41.200 heads on fire saying we've tried everything we've tried everything we need to get support for

00:08:44.640 workers when in reality they've tried nothing justin trudeau and his caucus couldn't even be

00:08:49.440 bothered to show up at trump's inauguration to show you know support for the new incoming president as

00:08:54.880 you should do even if they're not politically aligned with you especially in a situation like

00:08:59.200 canada's currently in where we need donald trump to start to see canada in a new light we need to see

00:09:03.760 him he needs to see us favorably to avoid these tariffs they they haven't done any of the things

00:09:08.640 that they could have done to get those negotiations going and it seems so natural that their first

00:09:14.000 response would be to say well let's spend more money because that's going to help fix the problem

00:09:18.720 what do you think isaac yeah no uh the you know watching that clip the number one thing that struck

00:09:24.160 me is the make-believe timeline let's call it that singh is uh referencing which makes no sense because

00:09:31.120 he's saying there will still be an election in march but the only reason that the election was going to

00:09:35.680 take place then is because that's when parliament is prorogued to so therefore if you call back

00:09:40.800 parliament early to pass this bill as he's requested the the march date kind of falls to the wayside he

00:09:46.480 could just vote non-confidence immediately so that makes no sense uh but there's another key date of

00:09:53.360 march obviously singh qualifies for his pension in february so there you go uh and then just speaking on

00:10:00.880 the tariffs briefly um it was of course conservative house leader andrew sheer who previously highlighted

00:10:06.960 that canada would not be in the position it's in right now if singh stuck to his word when he ripped

00:10:12.240 up ripped up the supply and confidence agreement with the liberals of course after doing that singh has

00:10:18.320 voted with trudeau 11 times and since the 2021 election uh the ndp has voted confidence in the

00:10:24.160 government 286 times so we we know that him ripping up the supply and confidence agreement was nothing more than a

00:10:30.560 theatric at theatric act but i mean the the whole the whole march timeline just makes no sense to me

00:10:36.720 because as i said uh that only has to do with parliament being prorogued until then

00:10:42.000 because you brought up theatrics isaac i want to turn our attention to a foreign interference story so

00:10:47.920 we have been hearing for a very long time that there's a number of traders up in ottawa and this week

00:10:53.600 a new report that was released raises more questions than it does answers isaac i believe you have

00:10:59.360 the information for us what exactly is going on here and is this just another example of theatrics

00:11:04.240 in ottawa yeah rachel it is and this report coming to light make absolutely no sense of course i was

00:11:11.360 reading through this report and i report i reported on it myself but somebody is lying that's what this

00:11:16.560 report is showing because based on all the conflicting evidence that's been presented someone has to be lying

00:11:22.960 two of opposite things cannot be true at once because of course prime minister justin trudeau

00:11:28.560 and other leaders have lashed out at conservative leader pierre polyefra for not reading the report

00:11:33.920 because uh they said you need to read this report individuals are named they could be in your party

00:11:38.640 you don't know how to deal with them appropriately if you don't read the report but then justice hoag

00:11:44.560 tabled this report and said no individual parliamentarians were named therefore those two truths cannot be

00:11:50.480 true at once because if you were to find the the names of these people through the report they'd

00:11:55.040 obviously be named in the report but here hoag tabled this report after 18 months of uh extensive

00:12:00.880 research she said and she said that no parliamentarians were named so that doesn't make much sense

00:12:07.520 and then she also contradicted another claim in saying that nobody uh was working in bad faith so

00:12:15.520 her report directly contradicted the uh nsicop report and i don't really know how to take that

00:12:23.280 all in because uh like like i said you can't have two conflicting truths at once guys i mean

00:12:28.640 what should canadians take away from this report being tabled here so just to make sure we have

00:12:34.400 everything kind of down correctly there's a lot of moving pieces here there was 11 mps i believe that we

00:12:39.520 were told there was 11 mps that were traitors that had taken money from foreign and adversarial

00:12:45.360 governments to help in their nominations or in their election campaigns and you know for months

00:12:51.200 now we've been hearing from leaders like justin trudeau that there's traitors in parliament we heard

00:12:55.920 specifically from trudeau that he knows of conservative mps who were embroiled in the scandal

00:13:02.160 and canadians were told that we would not be given the names of those traitors in parliament now we

00:13:06.880 have this report from justice hogue and she's saying there's no traitors in parliament no one

00:13:13.200 was embroiled in scandals and canadians i think thought we were going to be receiving answers from

00:13:17.440 this report and now we're looking at it trying to decide who's actually the ones lying and i just want

00:13:23.360 to really show the juxtaposition of what's happening here um and we have it in the clips of the

00:13:28.240 leaders basically you know saying there's traitors in parliament so take a look at this i have the names

00:13:33.680 of a number of parliamentarians former parliamentarians and or candidates

00:13:42.800 in the conservative party of canada who are engaged or at high risk of or for whom there is clear

00:13:54.560 intelligence around foreign interference mps that are involved wittingly or unwittingly are they traitors

00:14:00.480 to canada uh what they're doing is unethical uh it is in some cases against the law and it is indeed

00:14:09.280 they are indeed traitors to the country certain uh and i described it initially as fewer than a

00:14:15.600 handful of current members of parliament have allowed themselves and again going back to the

00:14:22.640 original comments from thesis semi-wittingly or wittingly allowed themselves to become compromised

00:14:31.680 so there we have green party leader elizabeth may although i think she's technically not the leader 0.76

00:14:36.720 anymore although she was kind of still doing it and chasing out everyone who else tried so really not

00:14:41.360 actually entirely sure what her title is with the party anymore but we've got we've got jagmeet saying

00:14:46.160 and we've got justin trudeau all saying that there are traitors in parliament were they all just lying

00:14:50.720 what's your take cosmon so the fundamental problem we need to talk about here is when we start

00:14:57.600 discussing secret lists politically it becomes a vehicle to essentially accuse your opponents of

00:15:07.040 being on that list anybody could be on that list and from day one i've been saying just make it

00:15:12.960 transparent release the report i would prefer that they release the full report with everything

00:15:18.800 unredacted but you know innocence until proven guilty they could have released the report with

00:15:25.520 the names if there are any names on it redacted and we could have at least seen what they are talking

00:15:31.600 about and the public could at least make a judgment and press further if there's actually names on that

00:15:37.120 list but that wasn't the case we spent how many months discussing this issue we've had inquiries you know

00:15:44.240 committee hearings we've wasted so much time to come to the what conclusion the hoag report does not dispel

00:15:52.560 any unease that canadians have it doesn't actually put their minds at rest and if the case is as justice

00:16:01.200 hoag says that there are no names on this list and it's not it's not as bad as uh the media and the

00:16:08.560 ccis reports and the government has claimed then why wasn't it released in the first place why didn't

00:16:14.240 she come to the conclusion at the end of her report that because of what you know our investigation

00:16:21.520 or our inquiry into this matter i recommend that this report be released to the public for the sake

00:16:28.000 of transparency but that's not the conclusion she makes she just accepts expects the public to accept

00:16:34.960 what she's saying as the truth but like i said this doesn't settle the matter and we're entering

00:16:40.400 into an election where the possibility of foreign interference could very well be real not only in

00:16:45.760 the general election at the ballots but also in the liberal leadership uh election we they've adjusted

00:16:52.800 some of their rules but that doesn't mean that the process can't be manipulated or influenced

00:16:58.720 by foreign actors one last thing i wanted to add if before we finish uh on the story on the report

00:17:05.680 is that uh justice hoag concluded the report with 51 recommendations and we had written an article on

00:17:12.800 that clayton did i think about some of the recommendations if you wanted to go read that and

00:17:16.800 one that i found interesting was the 31st recommendation which was a subset of eight

00:17:22.160 recommendations one of which was that only canadian citizens and permanent residents should be

00:17:27.120 allowed to vote in nomination hearings and in leadership contests so i thought that was

00:17:31.920 a key takeaway from one of the recommendations and by the way she said that all of these

00:17:35.680 recommendations the 51 that she provided could be implemented before the next federal election

00:17:42.000 one other interesting thing that i just wanted to add was we saw that clip there of you know all

00:17:46.880 the party leaders and noticeably absent was conservative party leader pierr polyev he has come under intense

00:17:53.600 criticism over the last number of months for refusing to read the report that would have told him about

00:17:59.520 the traders in parliament that now we're hearing apparently don't exist some people have been saying

00:18:03.920 you know that he was not actually eligible for the security clearance that he would have required

00:18:09.280 to read that report and that was sort of used as a bad faith attack against him i can't help but

00:18:14.560 think that he look he's coming out of this looking the best he's coming out of this as the only party

00:18:19.760 leader who's not absolutely eating his words right now and i think he's actually been quite absolved

00:18:25.200 in the last number and since this report has been released because every other party leader has come

00:18:30.000 out saying something that now we have a justice who spent as you said isaac 18 months studying this

00:18:34.160 saying there's no traitors in parliament and so all these other party leaders are going to have to

00:18:38.800 answer for what they said and answer as to whether they lied or how they made such an intense and and

00:18:45.120 and and grievous error and polyev kind of just gets to walk away from the whole issue and maybe point

00:18:49.840 at the other comments people made so just wanted to throw that in there as well because as i said he

00:18:53.760 was noticeably absent from that compilation we showed you i think next we want to move our attention

00:18:59.360 to ontario maybe for those of you who follow ontario politics really closely you weren't surprised

00:19:05.120 to hear this but i think most of us were a little stunned when we learned this week that ontario

00:19:10.000 premier doug ford was going to be sending voters to the polls cosmon can you break the story down for us

00:19:16.240 right sure so uh premier ford asked the lieutenant governor to trigger an election and that's going

00:19:23.440 to be happening pretty soon i think i think it's march if i'm not mistaken i don't have the the date

00:19:29.040 right before me but he's essentially been hinting at this he's wanted to trigger an election and his

00:19:35.120 justification to do this is of course the trump tariffs even though he still has about two years

00:19:41.440 left of his mandate he claims that we need to have a strong mandate the ontario government needs to have

00:19:49.200 a strong mandate from voters to be able to negotiate and navigate through the disaster that is inevitably

00:19:59.360 going to come from a 25 percent tariff especially for the ontario economy which uh exports a lot of

00:20:05.440 materials and and items and services to the united states particularly the auto sector so he's spoken

00:20:13.120 about this he's had a press conference discussing the election and his reasoning behind that and we'll

00:20:19.280 just throw to that first clip here help ontarians understand this so your government your cabinet has

00:20:25.920 already passed an economic action plan but you are now about to trigger an election asking people

00:20:32.160 for support to support an economic action plan how does how does that work and what is in that plan

00:20:37.920 can you can you break it down for us i can't say we we triggered that uh first of all we we want to

00:20:43.840 move forward and and make sure that we give certainty right now president trump has put uncertainty

00:20:51.200 has put uncertainty to every single canadian a lot of other countries around the world and this isn't

00:20:57.760 going to happen overnight it's not may not happen february 1st i'm sure something's coming but this is

00:21:04.560 going to be a battle for the next four years and i want to make sure that i have an out uh make sure i

00:21:10.640 have a strong mandate to outlast president trump uh and again i i can't stress this enough how ceos in our

00:21:19.600 country our concern which we've been meeting with but it's really a team canada approach all premiers

00:21:26.160 are working together collaboratively i'll be going on a cough meeting right after i i leave here during

00:21:34.080 the day and uh we're just going to be united to protect canadians and ontarians jobs or so i posted

00:21:40.640 this on x i never thought that in the year 2025 i would hear a party campaigning on just like we did

00:21:49.200 during the pandemic it all seems like a fever dream or a bad deja vu because uh if you recall

00:21:57.040 here in bc we had a similar situation where a government essentially sought a strong mandate

00:22:04.800 in the middle of the pandemic that was its own crisis and here we have ford hearkening back to the

00:22:11.280 pandemic is this gonna win him any votes this line of messaging or do you think well will he just drop

00:22:18.080 this because i i don't think that that statement just like we did during the pandemic is very popular

00:22:24.560 or brings back a lot of good memories for voters rachel well a couple thoughts that i have first and

00:22:32.960 foremost if you said the phrase we're going to do something just like we did during the pandemic in

00:22:37.840 alberta you would be absolutely eviscerated in that election cycle without a doubt i mean the uh

00:22:44.240 ucp here in alberta is essentially still still paying penance for some of the actions that they

00:22:49.760 did during the coven 19 pandemic and a lot of citizens here are simply not ready to let it go

00:22:55.200 however you have a very different situation politically in ontario one the opposition

00:22:59.680 parties are just totally absent no one is really paying attention to them they don't have a lot of

00:23:04.400 credence they just they seem to have been unable to get anything in motion since kathleen winlep the

00:23:10.000 ndps the liberals they're just you don't hear about them they're not doing anything that people

00:23:14.080 are taking notice of and we're seeing that in the polling i think the uh ontario pc they're

00:23:19.360 forecast to take like over up to 100 seats so it's going to be a super majority for ford

00:23:24.480 um but it's just the question is why is this election needed i don't think anybody is buying

00:23:30.320 the argument that he needs a mandate to act on the terrace i don't believe it i doubt ontarians do

00:23:37.040 listen i always tell people kathleen when i as as our audience knows i'm from ontario kathleen

00:23:42.160 when was the person who made me become interested in politics because i saw how her policies were 1.00

00:23:47.120 devastating my community and that was basically through the influx of hydro prices but doug ford is

00:23:53.120 the reason that i left ontario and he's also the reason that a lot of other young people have left the

00:23:56.960 province because as a young ontarian it got to the point where everything was so expensive and there was

00:24:02.400 just nothing really available in terms of good jobs and good housing and good health care and he's

00:24:08.320 the reason i left the province i know that a lot of young ontarians feel that way and i suspect there

00:24:12.240 is a bit of a brain drain impact on the province right now i just don't buy this argument that the

00:24:17.600 election is needed the september 2021 election in ontario cost the province about 560 million dollars

00:24:24.240 it's just over 20 per person so this is going to be a huge expense to the province at the same time

00:24:30.000 he's promising billions of dollars in pandemic style funding which has already bankrupted the

00:24:33.920 province ontario isn't so much that they just don't have money for this ontarians just don't

00:24:38.800 care they're just not that political appetite there for change that you see in other provinces

00:24:43.120 like bc like alberta and so i think he's going to get away with it isaac isaac isaac i just wanted to

00:24:49.600 ask you uh ford has you know he has this message about ontarians need a leader need leadership etc and i i

00:24:58.480 guess he's sort of hinting that it's not coming from the federal government which is true because

00:25:02.560 we we have a lame duck as prime minister but how different are ford's proposals actually from the

00:25:11.200 federal governments because it seems to line up here the the whole pandemic style measures is being

00:25:16.720 floated at the federal level and here we have uh ford floating it at the provincial level as well

00:25:22.560 yeah it seems like ford likes to uh mirror the federal governments when it comes to payouts of

00:25:28.960 course here with the pandemic and then when uh the the liberals had their gst hst proposals ford was

00:25:35.440 uh mentioning that he would do the same thing in the province and by the way i've seen the if we

00:25:40.480 recall the polling from those gst tax breaks it pushed people further away from the liberal party than

00:25:45.440 it did anything to attract them but overall i just have to say ford this is a complete messaging failure

00:25:50.720 on two fronts firstly the pandemic style measures i mean there are lengthy reports on that from from

00:25:59.440 uh parliament that show that i mean these were so mismanaged like serb for example how many uh

00:26:05.680 payments went out to ineligible recipients i mean it's it's in the billions i'm pretty sure if i recall

00:26:10.000 the report correctly like in no way should anyone be saying that they'll do a similar style structure to

00:26:16.400 what we saw with the pandemic style payments that have are still having an effect a negative effect

00:26:21.280 on our economy i don't know why he would say that and then in regard to the mandate thing too

00:26:26.000 ford currently has a majority government in ontario so he has uh 79 seats and for a majority you need 63

00:26:33.040 so he has a majority and then he's polling at 91 which is also a majority maybe even a super majority

00:26:39.120 i don't know the percentage but what what change in mandate does that give you ford you are going to

00:26:44.720 be in the exact same position you're currently and it's not like his term is ending in a month he has

00:26:48.720 what two years left on his term so i really don't understand the mandate or messaging either it really

00:26:54.720 seems like a communication failure here from ford on those two fronts which are

00:26:59.040 pretty big deals in my opinion i mean i have to say we talk about ford and how bad his messaging is and

00:27:05.760 how much he sucks but like at the same time what he's doing is totally working for him because he 0.76

00:27:10.320 keeps on getting re-elected and as we've mentioned he's gonna probably get like a super majority in

00:27:14.640 the next government i think that it's bad faith tactics i don't think the ontario people can afford

00:27:20.000 what he's doing but at the same time i think it's gonna pay off for him he's gonna have another four

00:27:24.160 year of a super majority maybe he wants to lock this election in now before people really begin to

00:27:29.280 feel the effect of tariffs on their pocket maybe he thinks hey you know what these tariffs are coming and

00:27:34.400 with donald trump and obviously could be coming here for four years i do not want to be up at the

00:27:38.080 polls again in two years with the impact of two years of tariffs on the ontario manufacturing industry

00:27:44.480 so let's go to the polls now like i don't think that his obviously he's disingenuous when he's saying

00:27:50.240 i need to get another mandate but at the same time it's it's smart politics and it's working for him at

00:27:56.000 the same time even as wrong as i think it is and certainly you know the people of ontario i have

00:28:00.960 some sympathy for them but like i said there doesn't seem to be any real desire for change there

00:28:08.320 cosmon i'll leave you with the last word sure with the mandate stuff i assume he's very well aware

00:28:15.440 that once these tariffs come into place and whatever measures pan out there will be a decline in

00:28:21.360 popularity um he might fear that he might not get re-elected following immediately after this this

00:28:29.600 uh circumstance in this trade war with the united states because everybody's going to take a hit and

00:28:36.400 political measures as they stand are not suitable uh to really counteract the impacts and additionally

00:28:45.760 the debt burden that we could take if we're going to impose pandemic style measures to counter set these

00:28:52.480 tariffs is going to be huge and that's not going to sit well with the average voter

00:28:57.280 very well said well everyone thank you for joining us on this friday i hope you guys have a great

00:29:04.080 weekend and don't forget that everything you heard today was off the record

00:29:13.600 you guys want to hear a funny anecdote just last weekend i had a friend uh who lives in ontario and he

00:29:19.760 was an electrician like a practicing electrician fully licensed and he just moved to the united states

00:29:26.560 yeah that's awesome yeah like people just went down 30 percent people uh people kind of get upset

00:29:34.160 like in ontario and they're like what do you mean like rachel like i want things to change to be

00:29:37.520 different it's like well the like efforts from like the conservatives i don't mean the pcs but like

00:29:42.000 the actual conservatives to organize has been pretty abysmal they just seem to not be able to work

00:29:47.040 together so we have ford and i mean they also have the gta so they're probably pretty screwed either

00:29:53.120 way rachel you mentioned that ford might not win in two years if we had to face the tariffs for two

00:29:58.000 years i mean we will have much bigger problems if we are subject to those tariffs for two years

00:30:02.240 polyefra already said 25 of canadians living in poverty and we know we've seen the data too on how

00:30:08.160 close people are to being on that edge of poverty if those tariffs come in i mean that number could

00:30:13.280 double we trust me we have much bigger concerns than than that election if those tariffs do come

00:30:18.240 through and last for an extended period of time the thing with ford that i've kind of suspect that

00:30:24.560 mimics the federal liberals is that he has a very very good like ground game when it comes to campaigning

00:30:33.360 and the infrastructure he has in ontario like with ford fest and like all the support he can get

00:30:39.680 is is really really like impressive and it's hard there's just no compare i don't think the ndp and

00:30:46.240 liberals are anywhere close to matching that ground game and the federal liberals also have that or like

00:30:52.640 traditionally do but they're this like polit it's just the political circumstance they're in i don't

00:30:59.120 think it's gonna alleviate the amount of distaste that people have for them

Off the Record - January 31, 2025

What exactly does Jagmeet Singh want？

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