Off the Record - January 17, 2025


Will Canada survive the Trump tariffs?


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On this episode of Off The Record, I sit down with three of my good friends to discuss the recent leadership election, the looming U.S. tariffs, and much, much more! We also talk about our relationship with the Canadian maple syrup industry and the potential impact of the proposed 25% tariffs being introduced by President Donald Trump.

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00:00:00.000 how about this leadership election like i mean we've been seeing so many clips surface what
00:00:04.800 what do you guys think the biggest fails have been so far well number one i would say former bc
00:00:10.960 premier christy clark she just fumbled right out of the gate and was tripped up by a cbc interview
00:00:19.600 nonetheless uh you would think entering friendly territory you'd be better equipped to handle a
00:00:25.840 question but she straight up just misled people about her former cpc membership denying it altogether
00:00:34.320 and then she has to go on twitter to essentially apologize claiming she misspoke and then she 0.59
00:00:41.760 doubled down and only i think a day later she announces she won't be running for the liberal 0.92
00:00:46.960 leadership so talk about a flop it's funny how as soon as you start running for the liberal party
00:00:53.680 you know you just immediately start misleading the public and uh you know you just start you
00:00:58.560 know trying to deceive and we weasel yourself into power uh you know it's pretty funny it's like you
00:01:05.120 know i don't know if you guys watch basketball but it's like the boston celtics hosting the
00:01:08.720 washington wizards on their home court and they're losing or the leafs losing to the winnipeg jets in
00:01:15.040 the scotia bank arena i don't know if that's a good analogy if the jets are good or not but the jets are
00:01:19.440 really good not good oh okay so that's not good analogy just think about like a bad hockey team
00:01:25.280 beating a good team on their home ice yeah exactly you know not not very good the washington wizards
00:01:31.840 aren't a good basketball team is what you're telling us and the celtics are are good yes exactly that's
00:01:37.680 exactly what i'm trying to articulate here but uh no claud clark and uh aria you know they can provide
00:01:43.120 us with a lot of entertainment before um is it march 7th that they're picking the new leader
00:01:48.160 uh it'll be fun march 9th march 9th march 9th yeah yeah no politics are are becoming uh a lot like
00:01:56.640 sports these days in how entertaining they are but let's hop right into the show
00:02:07.280 all right hello everyone my name is isaac lamaru and i'll be hosting off the record today i'm here with
00:02:11.600 my colleagues cosmon gerja and noah jarvis uh so yeah we're gonna start off with of course the
00:02:18.560 looming u.s tariffs which has been leading the news headlines over the past few weeks because
00:02:24.240 it's an issue that still hasn't been dealt with that being president-elect donald trump's proposed
00:02:29.520 25 percent tariffs which is set to take effect uh when he's sworn in or directly thereafter on january
00:02:36.960 20th which is the day of his inauguration so we we've seen lots of different responses uh from canadian
00:02:44.320 leaders specifically recently from polyefra who proposed retaliatory tariffs and we've seen similar
00:02:51.520 measures proposed by some premiers like dog doug ford he wants to retaliate but other premiers have
00:02:57.200 taken a different stance like alberta premier daniel smith who completely said we we don't want to
00:03:03.120 retaliate with oil and gas we want to collaborate we want to find a way to work together with trump and
00:03:07.920 make this happen uh and we've seen a a rift develop between smith and trudeau and even the other
00:03:15.360 premiers now what do you guys think of the developments going on with these tariffs as we
00:03:19.760 get closer and closer to the inevitable date of january 20th so it was in a recent interview that pierre
00:03:26.240 polyev essentially said that if he's elected prime minister he's willing to use retaliatory
00:03:33.200 tariffs now it's not very clear what that would look like but i spent a little bit of time digging
00:03:40.000 up what are the major exports that the u.s sends to canada that could be a potential target for tariffs
00:03:49.280 and a couple things came up machinery mechanical equipment is a huge export from the u.s to canada
00:03:56.560 transportation equipment i'm assuming you know trucks uh 14 wheelers etc and we also import a lot
00:04:04.560 of metals steel iron so obviously there is territory there canada makes up over 20 percent of u.s exports
00:04:15.840 in some of these categories so it's quite significant and i think u.s president donald trump
00:04:22.480 assumes that the u.s economy won't be impacted that much from any canadian action but that's not
00:04:30.960 the case we're such an intertwined uh allies and economies that there what when one side gets
00:04:38.640 impacted the other will you might look back at the 2008 financial crisis with stephen harper right
00:04:45.120 where canada was able to avoid much of that catastrophe that the u.s faced and that's one
00:04:51.680 instance where we were able to sort of decouple but i think at this point with our trade relationship
00:04:57.360 we are so intertwined that when trump introduces these tariffs he will be also facing pressure from
00:05:03.440 some of these industries back home to sort of soften up and perhaps come to the negotiating table
00:05:09.760 with a conciliatory approach yeah trudeau and canada's premiers also recently held a meeting and we saw
00:05:17.840 them come out with a joint statement which only the government of alberta opposed so that was pretty
00:05:24.000 interesting um but we've also seen some federal ministers like for example melanie jolly saying
00:05:31.200 that oh we'll just threaten to cut off oil but we've seen smith explain that it's not that simple
00:05:37.520 because to cut off american oil from alberta you'd also have to cut off ontario and quebec so yeah uh
00:05:45.200 noah did you see anything out of that premier's meeting that that that you found interesting
00:05:51.200 yeah i thought it was very interesting that daniel smith came so aggressively against the joint
00:05:57.280 statement that the premiers and the federal government had issued uh and it's really because
00:06:02.080 as you guys have mentioned uh energy uh alberta they do not want to impose restrictions on their ability
00:06:09.360 to export oil and natural gas to the united states specifically uh they don't want to shut down
00:06:15.840 their oil pipelines and that makes a lot of sense not only uh for the alberian oil and gas sector i
00:06:21.840 mean if you are shutting down uh oil sales to the united states that means that you're not really
00:06:27.200 generating any revenue and your uh employees and your economy in general will suffer and not only that
00:06:34.880 but uh provinces like ontario and quebec they rely on pipelines that go through the united states
00:06:41.840 to supply and help to power those uh economies so the ontario economy and the quebec economy
00:06:47.520 will definitely suffer will definitely uh have to deal with either energy shortages or an increase
00:06:52.320 in the price of energy because uh there is a lack of supply there so it's not in the interest of canada
00:06:59.520 uh to cut off these um pipelines that go down to the united states especially the ones uh that have
00:07:06.000 to go to the united states to go back up to canada and i think that uh you know premier smith has to
00:07:12.960 advocate for her province's interest and it makes sense that you know at the premier's meeting she is
00:07:18.640 doing so however if canada wants to take the approach of really going after american consumers then one
00:07:26.800 of the things that canada probably has to consider is an export tax on uh america on canadian oil and
00:07:34.320 natural gas however this is something that prima smithas also came out again she put out a post on
00:07:40.000 twitter uh and basically it shows that um the alberto government has no sort of plans to help uh the
00:07:50.480 trudeau government or any government in ottawa in making oil and gas more expensive
00:07:56.320 for american consumers now this is a challenge because uh canada a lot of our export exports the
00:08:04.160 united states are uh in the energy sector about 33 so this means that uh we'd have to uh place
00:08:11.040 tariffs on things like automobile parts uh cars you'd have to place them on uh chemical products uh mineral
00:08:18.480 exports you'd have to place them on say aluminum exports uh and these are all things that uh the united
00:08:24.560 states uh definitely does require but there's also the question of elasticity uh whether or not the
00:08:31.760 united states has the ability to supplant uh canadian exports with their own uh domestic domestically
00:08:39.200 produced products or from stuff that is imported from around the world so it's definitely something
00:08:44.000 that uh the provinces and the federal government have to juggle and it doesn't look as if coming out
00:08:49.920 of that premier's meeting that the premiers and the federal government are coordinated in their efforts
00:08:55.040 just just if i could jump off that uh who would the united states be getting oil from well they would
00:09:00.160 be getting oil from maduro's venezuela and such so it's obviously uh quite sketchy and suspect the
00:09:07.840 sources of oil that they would might be willing to transition to but i mentioned stephen harper earlier
00:09:13.680 a little bit and i i wanted to bring him up again you know i talked about his handling of the 2008
00:09:19.520 financial crisis but stephen harper actually chimed in on the current uh discussion you know he's made
00:09:25.920 his rare you know several month uh foray into canadian politics he seems to be sort of out of view most of
00:09:34.640 these days but he does provide some input and we have a clip of that and i think it's important because
00:09:41.040 he also does bring up oil but he also has quite a lot of good things to say about the u.s canada
00:09:48.480 economic and trade relationship incoming president trump has focused a lot on canada in the last
00:09:54.240 several weeks uh threatening tariffs of 25 unless there's a curb of the flow of drugs and migrants 1.00
00:10:00.960 he talked about uh spending that the u.s spends um according to president trump about 200 billion
00:10:06.560 dollars a year protecting canada went on saying he doesn't need the u.s doesn't need canada's
00:10:11.680 lumber cars or dairy and maybe even canada should be a 51st state um a lot of a lot a lot out there
00:10:18.240 just in just in a couple weeks you know what what's your reaction to all of it well um i i must admit
00:10:24.320 some degree of surprise um you know we've always and i've i was you know ran a in fact our conservative
00:10:33.840 party is a very you know pro-american pro-western party i was probably the most pro-american prime
00:10:41.040 minister of the history of our country um i view our relationship with the united states as one of
00:10:47.040 canada's great assets you are our closest neighbor our uh vital security partner and um you know not
00:10:56.400 just our friend and shared comrade in in the pro propagation of the values of the free and democratic
00:11:03.920 world everywhere and and i've always viewed this as a tremendous partnership um i understand that
00:11:12.480 you know donald trump may want some changes in trade arrangements but i'm
00:11:17.040 i i must admit to being shocked by some of the things he said they're just not so um
00:11:24.960 you know first of all we we don't actually sell dairy into the united states or sell almost none
00:11:30.000 so that that that's not true um canada it is true that canada presently has a modest trade surplus
00:11:37.840 with the united states the reason gave we do is because you buy so much of our oil and gas so harper sat
00:11:44.960 down for a podcast like interview with gabe groysman for about 30 minutes and i watched the
00:11:49.840 entire interview and wrote an article on it and throughout the majority of the interview it was
00:11:53.680 harper going through all the recent statements made by donald trump and kind of whether he disagreed with
00:11:59.760 him or agreed with him and while he disagreed with many or most of them even he he did of course find
00:12:05.200 common ground with trump on the border crisis talking about the the issues there and even criticizing
00:12:11.760 president joe biden for how he's handled the border and what's led it to get to the point where it is
00:12:19.040 with drugs crime migrants illegal migrants that is overflowing through it i'm curious though guys
00:12:25.760 to ask what you thought of harper's position with canada's relationship with the united states and and
00:12:33.120 maybe how that compares to how trudeau or the liberals have positioned canada i mean harper's really
00:12:38.880 spent a lot of time talking about how the importance of course of the canada u.s relationship
00:12:43.600 and how we're allies trading partners etc yeah what did you guys take away from that i i thought
00:12:50.480 harper's insights were you know very important and i think you know it really highlighted one of the
00:12:56.400 main problems that the trudeau government has delivered on the footsteps of canadians over these
00:13:01.520 past nine years and it's that they have positioned them canada in a unique position to where we are
00:13:07.920 just unable to adequately respond to the threat that the tariffs from the united states pose on canada
00:13:15.920 and our economy the harper government they did a really good job in trying to expand trade relationships
00:13:21.760 with other countries they signed uh dozens of trade uh free trade agreements uh with the countries around
00:13:27.280 the world doesn't mean you know we particularly do a lot of trade with like the philippines or like
00:13:31.760 you know congo or whatever but that does mean that we have the opportunity to uh trade with with these
00:13:38.400 countries but the trudeau government they did not really articulate much of an interest in you know
00:13:42.960 developing these trade uh relationships sure they uh developed some trade relationships with the
00:13:47.040 asian countries but uh they didn't really do a a good job at expanding on the harper legacy and they
00:13:52.640 also hampered the oil and gas industry as harper uh mentioned uh and they had done everything uh in
00:13:59.680 their power uh to basically regulate canada's economy and tax canada's economy uh into a position where
00:14:07.120 we're just not growing um so it makes it really hard for us to then uh respond to you know 25 percent
00:14:14.080 tariffs uh from the united states and what harper uh really really emphasizes that you know these tariffs
00:14:20.320 are not exactly a good idea for either country they're going to increase prices in the united states
00:14:24.400 and they're going to be very harmful for canadian manufacturers and american manufacturers especially
00:14:29.280 say in the automobile sector where these economies are very integrated uh so it's we should really
00:14:35.600 be seeking to deepen the economic partnership that we have with the united states uh and that
00:14:42.000 would be in the best interest of all of our uh citizens you know deep deepening our trade um
00:14:48.720 or getting rid of trade barriers uh deepening our labor mobility uh and the ability for canada to
00:14:55.040 bring in high-end talent not from you know countries that don't share a common culture uh with canada but
00:15:01.120 from the united states which shares a pretty uh culture that's quite common and common canada so harper's
00:15:07.280 insights uh really show how uh canada uh really did not put itself in a good position to deal with these
00:15:13.680 tariffs in the past uh nine years and why you know these tariffs really are not in our interest and uh
00:15:19.520 i think you know if that harper economic sensor in the prime minister's office these uh past few years
00:15:25.040 uh it would have made a big difference um in responding and how we could respond to the the tariff
00:15:31.200 threats cosmon did you want to add anything from uh the harper interview anything you took away that
00:15:37.280 that might be of interest well he did say he was the most pro-us prime minister and i i do agree with
00:15:45.120 that probably in some good ways some bad ways some controversial ways you know he continued
00:15:51.120 uh canada's presence in afghanistan he also adopted some of the similar policies imposed in the us with
00:15:58.000 like the patriot patriot act and he created he emboldened and gave more powers to canada security
00:16:04.240 establishment and some people view that as controversial you know he's done good things
00:16:10.000 like i mentioned the 2008 financial crisis that's a remarkable feat because he was able to maintain
00:16:17.120 canada's economy prevent a recession at a time when the us was plunging it was a disaster a total
00:16:25.760 disaster and that's we are neighbors to a superpower and when something like that happens to a
00:16:32.560 superpower it's almost like a black hole that sucks everybody else up into it and yet canada somehow
00:16:39.520 survived but look at us now right we are likely going to enter a recession if these uh tariffs comes
00:16:47.360 through because of the hit to our gdp uh economists are pretty much saying a recession is inevitable
00:16:54.880 now whether that can be avoided and whether once if and when those tariffs are removed there will be
00:17:02.320 an economic rebound that takes us to a better place than we are now i think that would be the hope is
00:17:09.200 that the rebound is significant enough and productive enough to bring canada's economy from the stagnation
00:17:19.360 from the over spending the entrance into generational debt that we have from the nine years of this
00:17:29.120 liberal government into something more prosperous and more stable for canadians yeah and let's remember
00:17:37.600 that the u.s tariffs are expected to come through an executive order after president donald trump's
00:17:43.440 inauguration on monday which a few more interesting things to add uh trudeau decided to have his last
00:17:50.560 cabinet retreat in quebec during the inauguration so it's still not entirely clear if he is going unlikely
00:17:57.840 unless he juts off from his retreat to quickly go uh and i don't know whether he was even invited i
00:18:03.440 did of course ask the pmo but i got no response uh we know as well conservative leader pierre polyevre is
00:18:09.200 not attending but danielle smith will be attending the inauguration in person in washington after she was
00:18:15.520 personally invited so uh that's pretty interesting and sticking with the alberta theme we of course saw mark
00:18:24.160 carney declare his leadership campaign for the liberal leadership race uh on thursday and uh
00:18:31.120 candidates are required to declare by january 23rd to to run in the race uh which is likely expected to
00:18:39.280 be generally between carney and freeland and uh the the race will conclude on march 9th so that will be
00:18:47.600 not only the new liberal party leader but the new prime minister of canada so this is definitely an
00:18:53.200 interesting development that we're keeping up with um and yeah we've seen a lot of clips surface
00:18:59.440 recently of carney saying ridiculous things like calling himself uh an outsider even though he's
00:19:05.040 been a political insider for several years and then in another interview we can even run the clip if we
00:19:12.160 want to he referred to himself as a european this is someone who's presenting himself as to be canada's
00:19:16.720 prime minister remember do we want to run that clip mark you look like you were about to
00:19:20.000 uh yeah i was a tell as a european you know as a as a european actually oh you are yeah yeah i'm
00:19:26.240 an irish citizen yeah so there you go um speaking as a european um i like to say falling um yeah so
00:19:32.880 just getting into this leadership race guys do you think that carney is going to win or could someone
00:19:39.040 else possibly take the throne uh well you know as you as you said um it's really a race between christopher
00:19:46.800 freeland and mark carney you know we don't have you know uh liberal cabinet ministers like franco
00:19:51.440 philippe champagne and dominic leblanc running uh you know to really add a sort of french flavor
00:19:57.280 to the leadership rate uh to the liberal leadership race which might be a concern for them but beyond that
00:20:02.640 uh it'll definitely be a race between freeland and carney and what we should probably see is a battle
00:20:10.160 between uh these two um politicians and how how they can manage to distance themselves from the
00:20:17.120 trudeau legacy the prime ministership of justin trudeau is very traumatic for canada and canadians
00:20:22.880 uh as you can see public opinion numbers don't really show uh primaries of justin trudeau is
00:20:27.680 particularly popular uh in this country and what mark carney has really tried to do is position himself
00:20:35.120 as an outsider out um outsider trying to you know take over the liberal leadership and you know
00:20:41.680 someone who doesn't really have as many connections wasn't you know responsible for the carnage of the
00:20:46.240 trudeau government however a lot of people have disputed this uh mark carney is good friends with
00:20:51.920 primarily justin trudeau justin trudeau tried to recruit mark carney into his government for several
00:20:58.160 years and he has recently uh made this uh statement uh and mark carney is someone who was for example
00:21:06.000 the bank of canada governor in canada and in the united kingdom he was the united nations uh climate
00:21:12.640 envoy uh he has also you know been an advisor to uh boris johnson and has worked on the cop 26 uh
00:21:20.720 conference is basically the big uh climate conference that the united nations holds every
00:21:25.440 year so mark carney is definitely a man of the establishment he is not a man of the people he
00:21:30.240 might try and portray himself like that every time he steps onto you know a soccer field a football
00:21:35.360 field at an ice rink he looks awkward he looks like you know a robot a chinese robot trying to figure
00:21:40.720 out you know how to be human but um it it really will be interesting to see how mark carney runs away
00:21:48.560 from that sort of technocratic uh elitist record run away from his statements on the carbon tax
00:21:54.960 uh and if he can outmaneuver someone like christian freeland who has actually been in elected politics
00:22:00.880 for 10 years uh but more than 10 years and who who really knows their way around um the the political
00:22:08.480 game now that doesn't mean that christian freeland's a particularly talented politician she's not
00:22:12.400 uh but you know you have like someone who has very little experience uh running in politics uh going
00:22:21.200 against someone who is a born politician it's like the mike tyson fight uh against uh logo against jake
00:22:27.760 paul um so you know and you can draw more analogies to that fight in more than one way but it'll definitely
00:22:33.920 be interesting to see uh how mark carney uh does in this uh liberal leadership and cause men thinking
00:22:40.320 of specifics that have recently happened of course i'm wondering what effect you think this will have on
00:22:45.680 the leadership race that being christian freeland's surprise resignation right before the budget and
00:22:51.040 and how that might influence voters and then of course for carney i'm wondering if even liberals are
00:22:57.920 against the carbon tax these days and of course carbon tax carney is the nickname given to mark carney
00:23:03.200 by the conservatives i'm wondering if you think that will have an effect on him well i just had an idea
00:23:09.040 of a game show and it would be called did mark carney say it or did christia freeland say it because i
00:23:17.040 think it would be very hard to distinguish between some of the quotes and policy positions of these two
00:23:22.160 individuals and when you just look at the facts and what they've presented before in the past you know
00:23:31.600 you mentioned he's a un special envoy for the climate i think canadians will be looking at whether
00:23:37.920 there's any distinguishing attributes or policy positions between the two front runners do they
00:23:44.160 support the carbon tax what's their position on online hate speech uh different censorship legislation
00:23:53.040 what's their position on further taxing canadians and consistently raising taxes in several different
00:24:00.480 areas not just the carbon tax there's the liquor tax there's also the hidden carbon tax what's their
00:24:06.960 position on crushing the energy industry you know imposing all this legislation that essentially
00:24:14.960 landlocks canadian energy and i suspect that there will be little differences to be found between the
00:24:22.560 two and the only people invested in this race seriously are liberal members members themselves i don't think
00:24:32.160 canadians look at this race and see a new refresh restart rather to the liberal party they see same as usual the
00:24:43.520 continued influence of prime minister justin trudeau's nine years of ideological leading in this country and i just
00:24:54.000 don't see that vitality that new energy that uh willingness from the liberals to take the party in a
00:25:01.840 totally different direction there's been a lot of talk about let's bring the liberals back to the center
00:25:06.960 right that doesn't seem to be happening it's the same old sort of elitist pro-globalist agenda and
00:25:15.200 when you have someone like mark carney who's a member of the world economic forum you know christia
00:25:20.320 freeland is affiliated with the world economic forum we have klaus schwab saying he's penetrated the
00:25:26.640 cabinets of world governments including canada right it just makes you wonder like how is this
00:25:32.800 any different and i don't i don't think it is yeah uh for your game show i'll suggest a third of
00:25:39.120 choice did mark carney say it did christia freeland say it or did justin trudeau say it and that's
00:25:44.800 obviously another technique that the conservatives have been implementing against the liberals especially
00:25:51.200 against mark carney it's just like justin that's their new slogan just like justin because
00:25:55.520 they're arguing that there's really no difference and bringing it back to harper he actually discussed
00:26:00.000 this in his interview where he said the new liberal leader is essentially in an untenable position
00:26:05.680 because to win the leadership election they're going to have to present themselves as a bastion
00:26:10.160 of the liberal party who supports the liberal party policies and what it has become a liberal party that
00:26:16.080 polls are showing canadians are done with so then they have to go into an election potentially a few
00:26:22.000 weeks later when parliament resumes if a non-confidence vote passes and they've just been a supporter of
00:26:27.760 the liberal party a party that canadians are done with so they're really in an unwinnable situation which
00:26:33.920 might be why we've seen many people try and distance themselves from this leadership election
00:26:38.640 and not participate uh yeah uh let's let's let's bring it more provincially cosmon and obviously you live
00:26:46.640 in british columbia so a few things coming up with these um election concerns let's call them i i i'm
00:26:56.240 curious in talking to local residents whether they are concerned about what happened in the election
00:27:01.680 obviously it took a long time to tally but now we're seeing uh an a potential investigation in one of
00:27:07.280 the writings that had 22 votes yeah do you want to talk to us about that okay so this was an incredibly
00:27:14.000 close election it was also a new phenomenon for this province to have a conservative party enter the
00:27:23.600 official opposition and surge in the polls in the same way they did running into the 2024 election
00:27:31.600 there were polls showing the bc ndp and the bc conservatives neck and neck and we're talking
00:27:38.960 about certain writings there's a handful of writings that were within a few dozen votes so if you're not
00:27:48.400 at least questioning whether the process was run properly i think that's like the democratic thing
00:27:55.840 to do to say let's make sure we got this right that the people's vote was counted properly and that
00:28:02.240 there was no mucking about in the process of it right and to say that any criticism that there is
00:28:09.040 no such thing as human error and any criticism of you know ballot counting and the way the election is
00:28:16.400 conducted is anti-democratic is ridiculous it's it is the democratic thing to do to have scrutiny
00:28:22.800 of elections now what we're talking about here specifically i think the most um convincing
00:28:31.680 argument that the bc conservatives have put forward relates to the surrey guildford riding which was
00:28:39.280 won by the bc ndp candidate by a margin of 22 votes and what they're alleging is that there is a group home
00:28:48.080 where there's people with dementia with different mental health concerns um it's called argill lodge and
00:28:55.600 they're alleging that there was some voter irregularities here and now they filed the candidate the conservative
00:29:03.760 candidate for that writing has filed a legal complaint uh and elections bc is looking into it and they have
00:29:11.120 several affidavits from residents at this uh center or lodge which claim that they received mail-in ballots
00:29:21.760 without actually requesting them when there was a ballot location directly across the street from
00:29:31.200 this facility and they're not prevented from leaving the facility they have free roam they can exit the
00:29:37.520 facility and go vote if they wanted to there are also allegations that some of the residents didn't even
00:29:43.680 know there was an election happening there are allegations that there are people who cast um mail-in ballots
00:29:50.640 who don't have their wits about them they suffer from mental health concerns confusion etc there are
00:29:56.400 allegations that they were told to mark the x in the box quote unquote on these mail-in ballots and there
00:30:04.000 are also allegations that some of them felt pressure that if they didn't cast this mail-in ballot they
00:30:10.400 might not be treated fairly at this facility and also there is b elections bc data that shows that
00:30:18.960 the manager in question of this location is a bc ndp donor in 2023 now i will like to add for the
00:30:28.720 record that the manager has said that there is no wrongdoing and he's uh they've disputed the claims
00:30:35.840 that the bc conservatives have made there has been no court to actually overturn any election results yet
00:30:44.080 that particular writing actually went into a judicial recount and the supreme court of british columbia
00:30:50.400 certified the uh the the voting results but the question is was the bc supreme court aware of this
00:31:00.000 particular facility i don't think so because this is the first time it's been brought up so an investigation
00:31:06.560 has been launched by elections bc the bc conservative leader john rust that has made several recommendations
00:31:13.280 to bring forward uh more evidence and essentially they've also filed a complaint with the rcmp to
00:31:20.640 investigate uh violations of the bc elections act so all this combined it it is quite a bomb to throw into
00:31:32.880 the election whether it will actually turn into a by-election which i think might be the the outcome
00:31:40.560 they hope for is a by-election in this specific riding to do it over again uh we're not certain people
00:31:48.160 aren't certain and it's not obvious that the courts will actually be willing to take that step to to
00:31:56.800 relaunch a a election just so soon after it happened so again if it does happen we're talking about a
00:32:04.160 very slim majority for the ndp they lose one seat and that's it's pretty much game over for them so
00:32:10.960 yeah a lot happening in british columbia and it makes one wonder whether you know i've seen on social
00:32:18.800 media a lot of people were concerned about how the elections bc ran the last election they took so long
00:32:24.880 to certify votes and count mail-in ballots and is there enough faith in mail-in ballots right like
00:32:31.760 i would throw that question to you guys
00:32:36.320 well for example we know uh in alberta at least there's been a lot of developments around election
00:32:44.480 integrity uh not just mail-in ballots but for example uh electronic tabulators have been the main
00:32:50.000 point of discussion and uh smith and her government have been steadfast in their in their view that
00:32:55.600 hand counted ballots from voting stations are are the the main the best way forward but cosmon i just
00:33:01.600 wanted to ask quickly because you only alluded to this if this say an investigation occurred and there
00:33:06.400 was wrongdoing found and this writing flipped what would that mean for the provincial government in bc
00:33:12.160 yeah so they won with a slim majority they had to uh essentially nominate somebody to be speaker of the
00:33:20.320 house because nobody else wanted to do it so that leaves them with very little wiggle room
00:33:27.200 they've had to create a coalition with the uh green mlas and i think there's two that were elected which
00:33:35.680 gives them majority status and you know they'll have to negotiate and and do certain things that the
00:33:41.520 greens ask of them to continue uh being in power but whether they will actually last a full mandate
00:33:49.760 of four years that's yet to be seen we're talking about a situation where somebody misses you know they
00:33:56.720 don't they hit the snooze button too many times and they don't show up for a crucial vote or god forbid
00:34:03.360 you know somebody gets in an accident somebody passes away somebody is ill you know somebody goes on
00:34:09.040 maternity leave right there's so many circumstances that could push this government into a non-confidence 1.00
00:34:18.320 vote which would surely be triggered by the bc conservatives triggering another election in
00:34:23.520 british columbia and that would leave you know the official opposition john rustad when he was elected
00:34:31.920 he promised to trigger election as soon as possible and noah what do you think about the whole
00:34:38.560 mail-in ballot situation it should elections just be at voting stations and hand counted i think the
00:34:47.360 simpler an election is conducted the better a lot of people definitely distressed uh when you know you
00:34:53.200 have to mail in your ballots when they uh you're punching a a vote into an elect machine you know
00:34:59.040 electronic voting systems uh these uh sort of intermediaries to you know the voter and the actual
00:35:06.160 election results uh it really is harmful to the trust uh you know in elections and we saw that in
00:35:11.440 the united states in the 2020 election where uh because of covid 19 they had to uh conduct an election
00:35:17.440 where a lot of ballots were mailed in and the republicans they brought up a lot of concerns with
00:35:22.800 these mail-in ballots uh so much so uh that it basically caused a mini political crisis uh in that
00:35:29.120 country now we haven't had uh you know the same level uh same uh level of concerns as we have
00:35:35.920 that they have in the united states alberta they have worked towards uh making some electoral reforms
00:35:42.080 uh but there's definitely concerns with say ballot harvesting you know if you have uh parties going
00:35:47.040 around basically offering to collect uh ballots and mail them in on behalf of the voter uh you know
00:35:53.200 there could be some nefarious going on uh with you know about harvesting you have uh ballots that get
00:35:58.960 damaged in the mail you know what if someone decides during election season to pour a cup of coffee
00:36:04.560 down a canada post bin now you have a bunch of uh ballots that get ruined you know that these there
00:36:10.400 are serious things that uh can be done to just interfere uh with an election when there are mail-in
00:36:15.440 ballots i you know i'm not like the smartest guy in canada and i was able to come up with a way to
00:36:21.120 tarnish a bunch of ballots in five seconds so i'm pretty sure you know much more devious and much more
00:36:26.720 intellectual people can come up with ways to you know go about a rigging an election or at the
00:36:31.840 very least uh messing with the integrity of an election now there's no real concrete definitive
00:36:38.000 evidence to say uh that the bc conservatives are right on this issue uh when it comes to the election
00:36:44.640 being uh illegitimate in this writing but uh when you have mail-in ballots when you have electronic
00:36:51.840 tabulators when you have these sort of intermediaries between the uh voter and the election results you're
00:36:58.240 going to create more and more distrust and you know there are real serious uh democratic consequences
00:37:05.280 uh to this so i hope that uh elections bc uh does everything they can in their power to ensure the the
00:37:11.120 validity of the election results and hope that uh we have uh the we get a result that results in the
00:37:18.400 democrat uh the democratic process being uh played out uh to its uh conclusion and voters being uh
00:37:24.640 in for enfranchised to make sure uh that they are actually you know being able to vote for the people
00:37:30.560 that are um ruling over them rather than just you know giving blind hope in uh and blind faith in
00:37:36.880 elections bc that they'll do the right thing if i may just bring this back to the liberal leadership
00:37:42.720 that was a situation where the party was facing so much scrutiny over their membership rules right
00:37:50.800 we have the liberal party of canada essentially only requiring uh proof of residence within canada you
00:37:58.080 don't have to be a permanent resident you don't have to be a canadian citizen to become a liberal party
00:38:04.320 member uh all you have to do is prove that you somehow have spent time in canada and they were
00:38:11.440 forced because of all the scrutiny from the elections canada you know past campaigners from
00:38:19.120 just the media and political uh world itself and security establishment to revise those rules at
00:38:26.480 least for the liberal leadership race where if you want to vote in the liberal leadership you now have to
00:38:31.920 prove that you're a canadian citizen or a permanent resident because of the implications and all of
00:38:39.120 the unanswered questions we have to this day regarding foreign interference in canada's elections you know
00:38:46.240 we have claims about uh chinese seniors being bused by the consulate to uh independent mp handong's
00:38:54.400 writing when he was nominated for the liberal candidacy in the last election and these issues are real there are
00:39:04.160 powers trying to influence our election and the more stringent and secure the voting process is the
00:39:14.160 more confident confidence you inspire in the average voter yeah and just briefly the last thing we'll
00:39:22.000 maybe touch on here cosmon i'm curious with the federal election looming do you think canadians
00:39:27.920 nationwide should have similar concerns and whether there's anything the liberals or uh elections canada
00:39:35.040 for example could implement to make sure that our elections are the most secure that they can be
00:39:42.880 well there will definitely be a discussion about foreign interference naturally uh given all of the
00:39:49.600 claims that have been put out there in just the last year or so uh you know there's an inquiry into the
00:39:55.040 foreign interference the prime minister refuses to release the list of his mp of the mps who are
00:40:02.640 accused of being under the influence knowingly or unknowingly of foreign powers will those mps run again we
00:40:11.040 have no idea right there is a very plausible uh scenario where the you know what is it 11 or 12 mps named on
00:40:19.280 that list are running for reelection we don't know voters don't know and when they go to the ballot
00:40:25.120 vote for that candidate they have no clue and i think the pr that raises a huge problem because there
00:40:32.080 will be in the informed voter that question in the back of their mind is this individual a foreign agent or
00:40:41.040 at least under the influence of a foreign agent whether they are or not you know they it could be a
00:40:46.320 perfectly legitimate candidate who has you know his own writing or her own writing uh his best interests
00:40:53.440 at heart but the voter knowing what we know about the list of mps could still be asking those questions
00:41:01.040 about a perfectly legitimate candidate unless the government clears the air which they have shown
00:41:06.960 absolutely no intention of doing all right again my name is is glamour i'm happy to be joined by my
00:41:14.400 colleagues cosmon georgia and noah jarvis and remember everything you heard today was off the record
00:41:23.680 how'd that go first time hosting not bad eh yeah pretty good job i think yeah no i think the first
00:41:30.800 time andrew did personally he was yeah he was complaining a lot and stuff so you you're definitely
00:41:38.400 on the right track there no i never complain no i'm happy to be here i just sit here and smile it's all good
00:41:44.400 i'm i'm just wondering i was just gonna wonder i'll just say i uh isaac's a favorite amongst the the
00:41:53.440 donor class the true north donor class they really uh they love that albertan chin uh you know that
00:42:00.640 really great sort of manly jawline um so no we're i think i think if you post more often we'll get some more
00:42:07.680 donors you know maybe you'll get you get a pay increase who knows that'd be nice eh what were
00:42:15.120 you gonna say cosmon yeah i was just wondering like who do you think is gonna be next to announce their
00:42:20.560 candidacy like will it be i know karina gold has said she's gonna go yeah i heard she was going to
00:42:26.160 announce soon but i don't know we see all these names pop up i i don't know who could announce that
00:42:31.440 won't make it a race between carney and freeland right like that's what we're looking at here i
00:42:35.520 think uh so once they're declared like with uh with freeland and carney being declared at the other
00:42:43.520 at that point other candidates might just be like oh why would i even bother uh unless they want to as
00:42:48.640 noah kind of talked about earlier push their platform forward in some way right yeah it looks
00:42:53.840 like noah's uh equipment failed right at the right time yeah we're just happy that we made it through
00:43:00.800 a show with his equipment it's uh it's a true blessing