Order of Man - 099： Building a Business on the Side ｜ Josh Bauerle

00:00:00.260 Entrepreneurship is such a hot topic right now. In fact, it is a buzzword that gets tossed around

00:00:04.960 quite carelessly, but it's something every man should at least consider. Not only does

00:00:09.000 entrepreneurship provide opportunities for additional income, but there are a ton of

00:00:12.660 other benefits as well. Today, Josh Bowerly, the CPA on fire, joins me to talk about what those

00:00:16.860 benefits are, the common pitfalls and mistakes young entrepreneurs make, where anyone considering

00:00:21.680 launching a business should start, and why every man should at least consider building a business

00:00:26.120 on the side. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly

00:00:31.720 chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You

00:00:37.560 are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is

00:00:44.060 who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done,

00:00:49.780 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler,

00:00:54.080 and I am the host and the founder of Order of Man. I've got to tell you, it has been so exciting to

00:00:58.720 see the growth that we've had in the podcast over the past month or so. I appreciate that you are

00:01:03.460 here. I appreciate you sharing the message of Order of Man. I appreciate your iTunes reviews,

00:01:08.120 but most importantly, I appreciate every single day the opportunity to share a message with you

00:01:12.940 that literally has the power to transform your life. It certainly has for me. If you've been around

00:01:18.600 for a while, you know what this is all about here, but if you're new, my goal each and every week is to

00:01:23.480 bring you the most successful men on the planet. We extract their hard fought and hard earned lessons

00:01:28.440 and we bring all of those lessons straight to you so you can be a better man, a better father,

00:01:33.440 a better husband, a better business owner, community leader, a better man. And we don't

00:01:37.400 pull any punches. We get right into the show because you have things to do. I've got things

00:01:41.540 to take care of. And so we just get right into it. I do want to give you a couple of quick

00:01:44.920 resources before I get much further into it. If you are interested in following up on some of the

00:01:50.080 topics and the discussion that we have today, I make the show notes available for every single

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00:02:05.160 about 12 to 1500 men each and every week. And we are having some serious and some incredible

00:02:10.060 discussions about what it means to be a man. And third, and this is something I don't talk a lot

00:02:14.200 about only twice every single year. We have got our second live event, the uprising, and it's

00:02:19.060 coming up April 27th through the 30th of this year, 2017. And I want you to know all about what

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00:02:32.840 slash uprising spots are filling up quick. I think we've got about six spots left. So if you are

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00:02:42.400 slash uprising. Gentlemen, I am honored today to be introducing you to my friend and guest,

00:02:47.620 Mr. Josh Bowerly, the CPA on fire. I'll be honest with you. I was a little hesitant

00:02:51.240 about bringing a CPA on the show because they're notorious for being a little dry to say the least,

00:02:56.920 but I think you're going to hear in a minute that Josh is anything but dry. He's got a passion

00:03:00.880 for helping entrepreneurs start, grow, and maximize their businesses through some very simple

00:03:06.540 and effective strategies. In fact, some of the strategies that he's going to share with you today

00:03:10.600 are the exact strategies that have allowed him to start his own business in 2012 and team up with

00:03:16.300 some podcasting powerhouses like John Lee Dumas with entrepreneur on fire. And you're going to

00:03:21.460 get a ton from this interview because we don't just talk theory and tax code and all the stuff

00:03:25.320 that's boring. We talk about real tips, real tactics and tricks that you can use to reap all

00:03:29.920 the benefits of starting your own business. Josh, what's up brother? Thanks for joining me on the show

00:03:35.940 today. Hey, thanks for having me. So you're a CPA. I think a lot of people are probably going to think,

00:03:40.780 uh-oh, this is going to be a dry conversation. But based on our conversation and our friendship

00:03:44.360 we've been able to develop over the last little bit, I don't think that's going to be the case.

00:03:47.340 I'm excited to talk with you. Yeah, we can do a little more than taxes here. Which is the first

00:03:51.540 time I've ever said I'm excited to talk with a CPA, by the way. Right. I just heard on the radio the

00:03:56.080 other day that we're the only people that people fear more than dentists. Oh yeah, I'm sure.

00:04:00.460 I'm sure. Get that going for me. Well, between that and me having the background of a financial

00:04:05.520 advisor, I know some of this stuff can get really dry. But today we're going to talk not so much

00:04:09.760 about taxes, but I wanted to talk with you about entrepreneurship. I wanted to talk with you about

00:04:14.140 starting businesses as a way to be more fulfilled, but also the strategy side of it is being able to

00:04:20.320 save money and taxes and the financial resources that come when you're starting a business. Is this

00:04:25.680 something that you think everybody should look into? Is there a place for everybody to own some sort

00:04:30.100 of business? Yeah. So I guess it depends on how you look at it because not everybody should be an

00:04:36.980 entrepreneur, right? Because as you know, there's a lot of things that go with it. There's a lot of

00:04:41.820 responsibility that goes with it and you're on your own. So maybe not full-blown entrepreneur,

00:04:48.860 but I do think everyone should be creating some type of way to earn extra revenue. Maybe you call it a

00:04:54.660 side hustle where you're just moonlighting in something, doing something on the side,

00:04:58.220 finding a passion that you're turning into a way to make money. So maybe you don't just quit your job

00:05:02.960 and go open up shop, but maybe you find a way to supplement your income with a side project,

00:05:07.680 a side hustle. And that's really interesting that you say that because I think there's this,

00:05:11.540 I think there's two schools of thought. The one thought says, just go all in, dive in,

00:05:17.040 don't even look back, burn the boats, all that stuff. And then the other camp that says,

00:05:21.940 no, let's do this prudently. Let's be strategic about the way that we go about this,

00:05:26.740 which is frankly the way that I started Order of Man. So how does somebody even begin to maybe

00:05:33.400 explore what they should be looking into as far as a quote unquote side hustle or a business on the

00:05:39.460 side? Yeah. So, I mean, if you're interested in doing this, there's never been a greater time in

00:05:45.360 our country or the world's history to open a business or a side business or whatever you want

00:05:50.000 to call it because of the internet, right? I mean, Order of Man is a perfect example. If you wanted to

00:05:55.500 create a company based around educating men 30 years ago, I mean, what were your options?

00:05:59.540 Maybe you write a book and people buy it. Maybe you try to sell a course on an infomercial. I mean,

00:06:04.940 there was no way to do it, right? Now, no matter what your interest is, I can guarantee you there's

00:06:10.860 a way to make money off of that interest. I have clients making six figures and even beyond six

00:06:15.660 figures on things you would never imagine people making money on. I have a guy that's doing over a

00:06:20.220 million dollars a year. He liked going to Japan. So, now all of a sudden, he created a company that

00:06:24.360 shows people how to set up better vacations to Japan, right? So, anything that you want to do,

00:06:30.000 you can make money off that. It's just finding a way to create the revenue. And I think the first

00:06:35.640 thing you have to do there is find a way to build an audience, right? Because Order of Man is a perfect

00:06:39.800 example. You can talk about manliness and being a better man all you want, but if no one wants to

00:06:43.700 listen to you, then you have no way of making revenue off that, right? Sure.

00:06:46.540 Sure. But now you create a podcast and people start listening to that podcast. Then you create

00:06:50.520 a Facebook group and then people say, I want to be a part of this Facebook group. And you have,

00:06:53.620 what, 12,000, 13,000 members on there. Don't short us. We've got 15,000.

00:06:57.860 I'm sorry. Last I checked, I mean, that was just a few weeks ago. So, it's growing rapidly.

00:07:02.200 That's right.

00:07:02.500 But no, but you don't need all 15,000 people to pay you money, right? You need a small portion of that to

00:07:07.920 say, I'm even more interested than the free resources you have. I want to pay you for the advanced

00:07:13.180 stuff. So, now people start joining the Iron Council and paying monthly for that.

00:07:16.200 Maybe you have sponsorships on your podcast for people that want access to your audience.

00:07:21.840 So, if you can build an audience around something you're passionate about,

00:07:25.060 your ways of making revenue off that audience are pretty much endless.

00:07:28.420 Yeah. Yeah. And I wholeheartedly agree. And what's really interesting is that there's a lot

00:07:32.660 of companies out there and ideas and additional ways to generate revenue that aren't what I would

00:07:37.800 even call, quote unquote, real. They're not tangible products where you have overhead and inventory

00:07:43.540 and all of the other nightmare that comes with an actual storefront. I'm not saying that's a bad

00:07:47.800 thing. I'm just saying like you did, is the barrier to entry is so low for simply a thought

00:07:53.440 that you might have or a way to make people's lives just a little bit better.

00:07:57.800 Yeah, exactly. And I mean, my business is a perfect example of that. I'm a CPA. I have a tax practice.

00:08:02.920 30 years ago, I have to go run an office space. I have to hire a secretary. I have to get phones and

00:08:07.380 equipment and all this stuff. Instead, now I do it. I set up a home office. I buy a computer

00:08:12.740 and I work with people remotely. So, if it's a good idea and it takes off, great. If it doesn't

00:08:17.800 take off, I'm pretty much out nothing. So, like you said, the barriers to entry, they're almost

00:08:22.820 non-existent. The risk's gone down. The rewards have gone up. It's a no-brainer for people to find

00:08:29.000 something to try and make money off of in this current economy.

00:08:32.820 You know, what's really interesting is my wife, the other day, our son was our youngest son. He's

00:08:37.300 eight months old. He wasn't feeling so well. And she had heard about this service where you can

00:08:41.560 literally text into a doctor, a healthcare provider, and say, these are the symptoms. And through text,

00:08:49.400 they will diagnose and prescribe. So, even the healthcare industry, which is notorious for having

00:08:55.500 large overhead, physical spaces, and just the complexity that comes with healthcare, is moving to

00:09:01.640 this digital society where we don't necessarily need a storefront. We don't necessarily need to

00:09:07.120 come in and spend the time and energy and resources in doing that. So, it is an incredible time.

00:09:11.540 Yeah, exactly. And the people who aren't adapting to that are the people that are going to die.

00:09:15.520 The people that think, oh, I'm a CPA. The people need to come see me face-to-face.

00:09:19.640 Yeah, it's still working for now. But more and more, I'm getting people solely because they're tired

00:09:23.760 of having to drive to their CPA's office. I mean, last year, I think I had like five people that

00:09:27.640 found me by Googling a CPA willing to work over Skype. So, if you're not willing to adjust to

00:09:32.940 this and you currently own a business, you're going to eventually go under because this is the

00:09:36.540 wave of the future.

00:09:37.580 Right. What are some crazy ways that maybe some of your clients are making money? Some either crazy

00:09:43.320 or very creative ways that you wouldn't normally think of? And I'm really curious about that because

00:09:47.980 I think this is going to help spark some ideas for anybody who might be listening.

00:09:50.980 Yeah. So, what's cool is, I think Success Magazine, I don't know if you read that,

00:09:55.860 but they're calling it the you economy now, where basically you build a business around you. You are

00:10:00.860 the brand. No matter what services you offer or products you sell, you're the brand. Okay. So,

00:10:05.420 there's people that basically just decide that they create little crafts that their friends like.

00:10:11.820 So, now they go set up an Etsy shop and now they're selling it to people all over the world and

00:10:15.020 making six figures doing it. Yeah.

00:10:16.540 All right. There's people who find a product that they like that someone else makes and they

00:10:22.900 really like it, but no one else really knows about it. So, now they're finding it in China for 99

00:10:27.600 cents, ordering 10,000 units and selling it on Amazon and making six figures. So, it truly is

00:10:35.300 endless, the ways that you can do this and the vehicles you have to make it happen. You don't have

00:10:40.280 to kind of go all in on it like you had to in the past. You can test it out. You can say,

00:10:44.880 okay, I'm making these. My friends say they like it. I'm going to go, I'm going to make 10 of them

00:10:49.260 and try and sell it on Etsy and see what happens and expand it from there. But yeah, I mean,

00:10:53.460 specific examples. I always liked the one I talked about with the Japan thing because the dude likes

00:10:58.100 traveling to Japan and then decided to make a business teaching other people. A lot of people

00:11:02.800 in the kind of success avenue, just I have a client called, her business called Feel Free to Prosper.

00:11:09.580 And she just basically teaches other people how to prosper in their life. It's similar to Order of

00:11:15.200 Man where she's just going to say, hey, you can be living a better life. Here's how to do it. And 0.62

00:11:19.340 she's just got courses and books. And I mean, I could go on and on that the possibilities of doing

00:11:24.760 this are endless right now. It's a crazy time to be living in almost.

00:11:28.600 Yeah, I've got two friends. One of them really enjoys hunting. And we were looking at a business

00:11:33.420 opportunity for him for some tax purposes, which I think we'll get into the conversation a little bit

00:11:37.680 later. And so now he goes on his hunting trips, but every other hunting trip, he's actually inviting

00:11:42.960 somebody else and he does paid guided tours or paid guided hunting trips. Another one is really

00:11:49.580 big into hiking all over Utah, which is where I live. And what he'll do now is he'll go explore

00:11:55.000 trails and he'll try all these trails. And then on his website, he'll come back, he'll review the trail,

00:11:59.540 what you need, the difficulty, the time, all of that stuff. And then he sells the information to

00:12:05.860 those who want to go hiking. So it's like you said, it's just incredible. It's fascinating to me.

00:12:11.140 Yeah. And the thing is, if you like doing something, that means there's other people

00:12:14.660 that like it. And people might think, oh, well, I'm not the best hunter in the world. So who's

00:12:18.200 going to pay me to teach them how to hunt? People who aren't as good as you or don't know the area

00:12:22.560 that you know, like you don't have to be the world renowned hunter to have other people pay you to

00:12:27.180 teach you or teach them or guide them on how to do it. You just have to be better than some people

00:12:31.940 or know something that some people don't know. And you have an audience that's willing to pay

00:12:36.120 you for it. Yeah. I think people get in the misconception that they need to be better than

00:12:39.500 the 7 billion people on the planet. And so they never start rather than, hey, I just need a hundred

00:12:43.320 people who want to learn from what I've learned. Yeah, exactly. I'm sure when you started Order of

00:12:47.400 Man, you probably didn't say I'm the manliest man in the world and I need to teach. I mean,

00:12:51.500 maybe you do have the beard for it. So this is true. This is true. No, I certainly didn't say

00:12:56.460 that. In fact, a lot of what went through my mind was who am I to tell other guys how

00:13:01.900 to be better men when this is something I struggle with so much in my life?

00:13:05.860 Exactly. It places some doubt and you got to work through that. But if you can teach people,

00:13:10.600 look, some of it, some people are starting businesses, which is exactly what I think

00:13:14.180 Order of Man kind of was for you. They're bringing people on the journey with them.

00:13:18.100 So you're saying, I want to be a better man. Here's how I'm doing it. Come on the journey with

00:13:21.860 me. It's not necessarily you standing up saying, hey, I'm a great man. Let me tell you how I got here.

00:13:26.380 Sure, sure. Well, I'm really curious about because I know you've got some extensive knowledge in this

00:13:30.700 just through your clients and the people that you're working with where the best place to start

00:13:35.200 is, because I think there's a lot of guys who are probably listening to this right now

00:13:38.540 who might have an idea or a thought or an insight or just this little tiny inspiration of something

00:13:43.780 they want to do. And they're like, now what? Now what do I do? So what do you see your clients doing

00:13:49.440 to actually get this thing off the ground?

00:13:52.600 Yeah. So the biggest thing is, and I'll keep going back to this, is it's finding an audience.

00:13:56.880 Okay. So it's finding, getting a way to create content and putting it in front of people.

00:14:02.260 So maybe it's a blog, maybe it's a podcast, maybe it's YouTube videos. Hopefully it's all

00:14:07.200 of the above. It's creating a Facebook group. It's finding something that people can see what

00:14:11.860 you have to offer. Right. And it's probably starting by giving away all of that for free.

00:14:16.800 Right. So you have a blog and you're just spitting out all the information that you have and people

00:14:21.080 are reading it. You're creating YouTube videos and telling them what you know. And then once you

00:14:25.880 start to build an audience, you're creating a Facebook group maybe and inviting them on there.

00:14:30.000 It's really just growing that audience. And if you want to grow that audience faster,

00:14:35.300 the best thing you can do is have access to other people's audience. Okay. So for me,

00:14:40.280 when I, early on, when I started, no one knew who I was. I reached out to Don, John Dumas of

00:14:44.660 Entrepreneur on Fire. He ends up needing a CPA. He likes what I did for him and he brings me on his

00:14:49.020 podcast. Now I have millions of people listening to what I have to say, even though it's not my

00:14:52.740 audience. And a portion of that becomes my audience and becomes my clients. So to do that,

00:14:58.080 maybe you start by asking influential people if you can guest post for them. Maybe this is a great,

00:15:03.800 this is exactly how a portion of how I've built my business is being interviewed on other podcasts.

00:15:08.560 Right. So if you have value to offer, people of influence will want to share your value with

00:15:12.960 their audience. And that's a great place to start.

00:15:15.040 Yeah. I mean, you're, you're obviously living this because not only your story with John Lee Dumas,

00:15:18.580 but in addition, you, you know, you reached out, you sent a message, Hey, I'd like to come on the

00:15:22.740 show. Here's what I'd like to talk about. And here we are today having this conversation because you

00:15:26.400 were willing to put it out there. Right. Exactly. And the key is getting on that first one,

00:15:30.640 right? Because maybe if I come to you and I've never been on any of these before, you're a little

00:15:34.460 hesitant. But if I can say, Hey, I've been on Entrepreneur on Fire. I've been on the amazing

00:15:37.740 seller, blah, blah, blah. The more that you build there, the more that people are going to trust that

00:15:41.780 they, that you'll have value to their audience. So it's really just reaching out to people over and

00:15:46.140 over. And trust me, a lot of people are going to say no, especially at first. So you got to be

00:15:49.940 ready to accept that rejection. But once you get someone to say yes, and you will eventually get

00:15:53.960 someone to say yes, it just snowballs from there. Well, on the other side of it too, is I think a lot

00:15:58.700 of people with their ideas aren't going to have it maybe as difficult as it was even for you getting

00:16:04.180 started because you're talking about taxes. And so people jump to this conclusion of like, Oh,

00:16:08.160 I don't want to talk. Right. I mean, it's the, it's the start of the conversation we had.

00:16:11.620 And yet here you are talking about something that yes, is valuable, but doing it in a way

00:16:16.580 that's exciting and engaging to other people as well. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's a key

00:16:20.600 too, is finding a way to differentiate yourself from the other people in your industry. All right.

00:16:24.900 So if I was just on here saying, all right, everybody has to pay their taxes. If you make

00:16:29.080 this much, you fall in this bracket. No one's going to want to have me on. Sure. But if you can,

00:16:32.620 if you can make it interesting, maybe you can say, look, this is why you should start a business

00:16:36.620 because you get X, Y, and Z tax breaks. And if you can make it interesting people, no matter what

00:16:41.640 the topic is, people will want to hear what you have to say. So let's get tactical on some of this

00:16:46.860 stuff, because I think, again, people have ideas are ready to go. And we can talk till we're blue

00:16:51.420 in the face about how to get started. But I think at the end of the day, you just got to take the first

00:16:54.140 step. And I think that's what you're, what you're saying here. At what point should you consider

00:16:58.340 turning this into a quote unquote, real business by whether that's an incorporation or LLC?

00:17:04.260 Well, what point do you start thinking about this stuff? And why would you even think about that?

00:17:09.000 Yeah. And it's interesting because I see a lot of CPAs or attorneys say the very first thing you

00:17:13.140 have to do is get this set up properly. And I don't necessarily agree with that because I think

00:17:16.360 people get, get in their own way and say, all right, I can't start my business until I have my

00:17:20.220 taxes lined up and I have my entity set up. And they just, it's just a stall tactic to not actually

00:17:24.740 get started in what matters. Well, and of course too, you know, I got to think that CPAs have a

00:17:28.820 vested interest in you, you know, taking care of that stuff, right? Exactly. Yeah. Fair point.

00:17:34.000 So yeah, I don't necessarily agree with that. I say, get the business started, get it off the

00:17:38.380 ground, prove to yourself that you're going to make money in this, and then worry about the taxes,

00:17:43.180 worry about the legal structure. Okay. So if you're just getting started, I would just start

00:17:47.980 with what they call a sole proprietor, right? Meaning you don't file any paperwork with the

00:17:51.720 state. You don't do anything with the IRS. You and your business are just operating as one in the

00:17:55.980 same, right? Once you start making money, once you start having people pay for your products or

00:18:00.760 services, then maybe you go into forming an LLC, which is just stands for limited liability company.

00:18:06.080 And all that's going to basically do is provide a wall between you and your business. Okay. So

00:18:10.600 if the order of man tells someone that they should do something and they're a screw up and they screw

00:18:16.120 it up and they try to sue you for it, they can't sue Ryan Michler. They can only sue order of man.

00:18:20.600 I wish he wouldn't have said that because that opens the door and knock on wood, but that has not

00:18:24.960 happened yet. To be fair, I haven't heard of a podcast or it's happened to you and you're in a

00:18:30.040 low risk business. But just as an example, it separates you from the business, right?

00:18:35.360 Right. So that's what you want to start considering. Contrary to popular belief,

00:18:39.100 there's not any tax breaks for forming an LLC. Right. Okay. You're still what they call a

00:18:42.900 pass-through entity. Everything still runs on your personal tax return. Okay. So it's only legal

00:18:47.660 protection. In my opinion, once you start hitting around $30,000 per year in net income,

00:18:53.620 now it's the time you want to start looking at tax strategies. Now you want to say, okay,

00:18:57.320 maybe my LLC should be taxed as an S corporation. Maybe I need to look at forming a corporation,

00:19:02.120 things like that. But to be honest, if you're just getting started, if you're just starting to

00:19:07.300 bring in revenue, you're not even bringing it in yet, don't worry about this stuff. Get the

00:19:10.720 business going, start making money, and then go talk to an expert and figure out what entity you

00:19:16.060 should be in, how you should be setting up taxes and things like that.

00:19:18.660 Right. Yeah. And I think that's the point where we're at. Not I think. That's the point we're at

00:19:22.220 right now is that we are an S corporation, or maybe I said that backwards, an LLC. Taxes and

00:19:27.220 S corp, I believe, is the correct term. Is that right?

00:19:30.020 Yep. Exactly. And this is where you want to be careful, especially as an online business,

00:19:34.320 I'll say who you talk to here. Because a lot of the traditional CPAs that are used to

00:19:38.220 brick and mortar businesses, construction companies, things like that, they'll tell you,

00:19:42.300 oh, you don't even want to worry about an S corp until $100,000, $200,000 in income.

00:19:46.500 For online businesses now, and there's several reasons why this is true that'll get boring and won't get

00:19:51.260 into. But I say $30,000. If you're showing that in profits, meaning after your expenses,

00:19:57.580 now you want to start looking at strategies like that being taxed as an S corporation.

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00:21:20.000 Who should you consider having on your team? I look at a financial advisor, which is my background.

00:21:25.840 I look at a CPA as people that you should consider having on your team at a certain point. I don't

00:21:29.760 think you need it immediately, but who should be on your team and then how soon should you look at

00:21:34.420 bringing these guys on? Yeah. So CPA, great one. Financial advisor, great one. Attorney,

00:21:39.760 I would at least have one that I knew I could contact if something arose. I don't think you

00:21:44.420 have to have one on retainer or anything like that when you're first starting. But those are always

00:21:48.600 the three big ones that a business is going to eventually need. An attorney, a CPA, and a

00:21:53.420 financial planner. On top of your CPA, maybe you eventually get to a place where you want a

00:21:58.100 bookkeeper. To be honest, this is the biggest shortcoming that I see small businesses making is

00:22:04.240 they have no bookkeeping whatsoever in place. So they come to someone like me at tax time and say,

00:22:08.840 oh, here's my box of receipts. Go ahead and prepare my taxes for me.

00:22:12.620 And not quite the way it works. Regardless of how big you are, that's something you do need to be

00:22:17.480 doing from day one is monitoring your income and expenses for several reasons. First of all,

00:22:22.720 because when you come see someone like me, we're going to want to see your income and then your

00:22:27.420 expenses broken down into categories. But second of all, because how can you manage your business if

00:22:32.820 you don't know what's going on? I mean, you wouldn't believe how many people come to me at the end of

00:22:36.300 the year. And I'm like, well, how did this year go? And I think it went pretty good. And then we go

00:22:41.120 and start looking at their numbers and they actually lost money for the year.

00:22:44.600 Interesting.

00:22:45.380 Yeah. And it seems to be a major weakness of entrepreneurs. So I would say one of two things.

00:22:50.620 You need to know yourself and you either have to do this yourself or you have to outsource it and

00:22:55.500 find a bookkeeper that's going to do this for you. And again, this is something that you should be

00:22:59.640 doing from day one, either doing it yourself or outsourcing it. And outsourcing it,

00:23:03.300 you can, there's a company called Bench. If you're a small business, you can get them for

00:23:06.460 as low as 135 bucks a month where they'll just take all the expenses hitting your business and

00:23:10.820 put it into a nice, neat profit and loss statement for you.

00:23:13.520 And the one that I've used in the past was, I think, QuickBooks I've used in the past.

00:23:18.100 Yeah, absolutely. QuickBooks. So the one thing I'll say, if you're going to do it yourself,

00:23:21.840 maybe you can start out with a spreadsheet, but I would definitely eventually switch to some type of

00:23:26.240 accounting software like QuickBooks. The one recommendation I'll make is make it a cloud-based

00:23:30.360 system. People that are still using QuickBooks desktop, it's going to be dead in a few years.

00:23:35.520 Okay. So go with QuickBooks online, go with something like Xero, Xero. There's even free

00:23:40.840 ones out there like GoDaddy has their own free accounting software. Wave accounting is free.

00:23:48.000 So what it's going to do is it's actually pretty cool. It'll sync up right up with your business

00:23:51.780 accounts, right? So your bank accounts, your credit cards, whatever it is. And every time a transaction

00:23:55.560 hits, it's going to automatically import it. So all you have to do is go in there and code what

00:23:59.340 it's for. So if you go to Walmart and buy a $200 printer, it's going to show up $200 spent at Walmart.

00:24:04.240 You just log in and say, this is for office expenses and you're done. Bookkeeping is done

00:24:08.120 for that item. Yeah, I like that. That makes it really convenient. So outside of the tax

00:24:13.340 ramifications and benefits and the legal protection, what are the other benefits of

00:24:17.880 not only incorporating or doing an LLC, but even just starting a business?

00:24:23.460 Yeah. So, and this kind of goes back to tax benefits, but the coolest part about starting a

00:24:28.340 business to me when it comes to taxes is all these personal expenses in your life are now

00:24:32.760 probably becoming tax deduction. Okay. So like, for instance, I'm sure you had a cell phone well

00:24:37.840 before you started to order a man, right? Now you're using a cell phone in your business and

00:24:42.180 it's a business deduction. Obviously your internet is used in your business. We're conducting this

00:24:46.660 interview via your internet, right? So now your internet that I'm sure you use for personal

00:24:51.420 reasons as well as a business deduction. So what's, and you got to keep in mind the tax code

00:24:56.720 was written to benefit entrepreneurs. So there's, it's going to open up a whole new world of tax

00:25:01.420 deductions for you that you didn't have as an employee. So it takes some planning. So for instance,

00:25:06.400 a lot of my clients, one of the, one of the biggest strategies we'll do is when they go on

00:25:09.860 vacations, we're going to plan it around conferences they can attend for their business. And now a portion

00:25:13.920 of their family vacation is a tax deduction. Okay. So let's say that me and my family had been

00:25:20.180 planning a vacation somewhere out West and we decided to go to Utah, right? And I know that you're

00:25:25.660 going to be happen to have a, what do you call them? The uprisings going on, right? Sure. So I'm

00:25:30.440 going to say, okay, we're going to go on a seven day vacation. I'm going to spend three of it at this

00:25:35.420 uprising. And now maybe 30 to 40% of this vacation is a tax deduction. This vacation that we're going

00:25:40.620 to take anyways. Yeah. So it's, it takes, takes planning, but you can make it happen.

00:25:45.360 So I've got a, then I've got a personal question. And so you can send me the bill for this later,

00:25:49.980 since I'm consulting you as a CPA at this point, what about, so, so two of my biggest expenses are

00:25:55.800 my firearms and my books. And I'm curious if legally I can write off my firearms, if I were

00:26:03.660 to do like a firearms review, for example, and if I could write off books as education or research.

00:26:10.920 Yeah. Good question. So this is the standard that we always use when it comes to whether

00:26:14.640 something is a tax deduction or not. Can you prove that buying, purchasing that expense

00:26:19.460 increased the bottom line of your business? Meaning did it bring in more revenue or did it

00:26:23.820 decrease your expenses somehow? Right? So for me, the books question is easy, right? Anytime you're

00:26:28.620 buying a book that's business related in any way, or in your case related to manliness or anything that

00:26:34.440 you can apply to the business, easy tax deduction, no questions asked. Sure. The firearms, that's a

00:26:39.280 little, that one gets interesting because typically I would say for most people know that

00:26:44.380 it's going to be tough to, to make that a business deduction. In your case, if you're going to be

00:26:48.940 setting up some type of review on them and, and, and people that are part of order of man, your

00:26:53.420 audience are going to look to those reviews and putting those reviews on there increases your

00:26:57.820 audience, which in turn increases your bottom line. Then I would say all or a portion of that

00:27:02.420 would become tax deductible. Is it now help me understand this and wrap my head around this

00:27:07.340 because my understanding, and maybe I'm incorrect, which is why we're having this conversation

00:27:11.280 is that it doesn't have to necessarily make you money, but there has to be a, and I'm not using

00:27:19.560 the term correctly, but a reasonable desire or the ability or that you genuinely are trying to turn

00:27:24.780 this business into a profit. Yeah, exactly. So the term that the IRS uses, whether something can be a

00:27:30.160 business expense or not is ordinary and necessary. Okay. Okay. Which makes it confusing because off,

00:27:36.240 when you first think about it, maybe you think, okay, buying a gun is not ordinary or necessary for a

00:27:40.880 business. I don't know. I kind of think it is, but I can go with what you're saying. Exactly though.

00:27:45.280 But in your case, it is. Okay. So it's so industry specific. It's so specific to your industry,

00:27:52.080 right? So if a plumber wants to go buy guns, yeah, maybe we can say it's for security, but even that's

00:27:58.520 probably a stretch. So he's probably not going to be able to deduct the cost of those guns. Your case,

00:28:03.160 people may come to you for the specific purpose of gun reviews. So now we can directly say that this is a

00:28:09.620 part of your business and it's tax deductible. And your question of whether, when does it have

00:28:15.620 to show a profit? I mean, the thing is, it doesn't have to directly show a profit. So you don't have

00:28:20.640 to be charging for those gun reviews to be able to deduct that. Instead, we just have to show, okay,

00:28:25.880 these gun reviews, yeah, they didn't directly bring in money, but 200 people came to the website because

00:28:31.020 these gun reviews were on there. And we estimate that 10% of everyone that comes to the website becomes a

00:28:37.200 paying client. So this is, we increase the business by this much. You don't have to, I mean, I'm not

00:28:43.300 telling you to sit there and analyze everything to the T like that. Chances are the IRS is never

00:28:47.320 going to question it. But if they do, and you have that at hand, that's a clear justification for

00:28:51.960 deducting that in your business. And I think this is probably, in my mind, outside of generating

00:28:57.620 revenue, which obviously is important in any business, I think starting a business on the side,

00:29:03.460 even if you're not giving a lot of time and attention, but just, just some level of attention

00:29:08.400 to it. And maybe it's something you're already doing photography, for example, or hiking or hunting.

00:29:12.220 Like I talked about those two guys is it gives you the opportunity to turn, like you said, what would

00:29:17.660 normally just be an expense into, yes, still an expense, but you getting to deduct that, which I

00:29:23.320 think is huge, huge. It's so valuable. Yeah, exactly. And I actually was just listening to Tim Ferris

00:29:29.180 podcast. I don't know if you listened to the one where he said the 18 questions that he asked or

00:29:33.320 whatever. I don't know if I've caught that one. Okay. He just, the 18 questions he asked himself

00:29:37.480 to help solve problems. And one of them he said is, how do I scratch my own itch? I think is how he

00:29:43.260 termed it. What am I spending a ton of money on that I could be doing myself? Right. And his point

00:29:49.360 was, how do I, how do I turn that into a moneymaker? But the other side of that is, how do I turn the

00:29:54.080 expenses involved with that into a tax deduction? Exactly what you said. So you love hunting. All

00:29:59.140 right. You're probably not going to be able to deduct that on your taxes, but now you form a

00:30:02.580 business around that hunting trip. And now those, a lot of those hunting expenses do indeed become

00:30:07.520 tax deductions. Right. And maybe even to expand and just open guys' eyes a little bit more, you talk

00:30:12.760 about the hunting trip, for example, and this gentleman is taking guys on guided tours. Maybe you're not

00:30:16.760 interested in that, but coming back to the review, maybe you have your firearms. Maybe you have a bow that

00:30:21.760 you want to review and you put up a website that is dedicated to reviewing hunting equipment and gear

00:30:26.440 and, and, and you're selling some of those packages or whatever it may be. And that's an

00:30:30.560 opportunity for you to deduct the expensive equipment you're going to buy anyways.

00:30:34.880 Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it is. It's turning something that you're passionate about

00:30:38.400 into something that makes money. And then in turn, deducting those expenses that you already had

00:30:42.920 on your taxes. Well, and I think maybe the other side of this too, is that it justifies the

00:30:48.560 purchase, especially when you might have to talk with your spouse about making a purchase,

00:30:52.860 like a firearm or something like that. I can't tell you the number of clients who said,

00:30:57.400 can I tell my husband or wife that this is a tax deduction so I can buy it?

00:31:00.880 I'm sure. I'm sure you hear it all the time.

00:31:02.760 The common question, but no, and it's a good point. The one thing I'll say you want to be careful of

00:31:06.980 is this has got to be a legit business. Okay. And in the IRS's minds, a legit business is something

00:31:13.220 that makes a profit three out of every five years. Okay. So this can't be something that

00:31:18.440 you're going to show a loss on your taxes year after year after year. The first two years, fine.

00:31:22.680 We can show a loss. That's a startup business. A lot of them start up like that. But by year three,

00:31:27.040 you got to be turning a profit in order to continue to deduct that on your taxes. Otherwise,

00:31:31.820 the IRS is going to label it as a hobby and those expenses are no longer deductible.

00:31:35.740 Right. Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah. We want to make sure that we're doing this by the books.

00:31:39.160 We're using every advantage that we can. It's there. The tax code is there to help and we want

00:31:43.900 to take advantage of it, but we don't want to abuse it. Right. Exactly. I would say it's manly

00:31:49.960 to pay your taxes, but not a dime more than you have to. Right. Right. Yeah. And I think there's

00:31:54.260 a lot of misconception about that, that I think some people think that you shouldn't be looking

00:31:58.920 for tax breaks and tax codes. And we look at the people who are wealthy. I'm like, man,

00:32:02.340 they're just following the code that the people have set up, you know? Yep. Exactly. Yeah. I mean,

00:32:07.140 why would you pay more than you're legally required to pay? Right. Right. Are there some

00:32:11.860 other mistakes that you see young entrepreneurs make? I mean, maybe you talk about the bookkeeping,

00:32:16.900 maybe it's a tax mistake, maybe it's a marketing mistake, maybe it's a not doing their marketing

00:32:23.260 exactly right. Are there other mistakes that you're seeing? Yeah. I mean, the bookkeeping one's a big one,

00:32:29.440 just knowing their numbers, knowing what their business is doing, general record keeping.

00:32:34.220 I would say trying to make money too quickly. So you have this idea, you launch this, you start

00:32:43.400 doing, let's go back to, you're going to launch a site reviewing guns and you try to immediately put

00:32:48.640 up these videos and charge people for watching your reviews that you created. That's not going to work.

00:32:52.900 You got to build some type of authority before you're going to charge people. And a lot of people

00:32:56.460 get impatient and say, okay, I created this, now I need to start charging people. Like, no, build this up,

00:33:01.400 build an audience, show value, and then start worrying about collecting money. That's always

00:33:06.120 a big one. So for me, the one thing I always stress is that the shortcut in business is connecting with

00:33:12.460 influencers, right? So in my case, it was reaching out to John Lee Dumas and becoming associated with

00:33:17.300 him. And doing that is as simple as reaching out and offering to provide value. And I see a lot of

00:33:23.040 people doing this, but the mistake I see them making is they'll send... So I get these emails all the

00:33:27.680 time. Hey, I love your business. If I can ever be of any help, let me know.

00:33:32.620 Yeah, that actually creates more work for the other person.

00:33:35.600 Exactly. Because I have no idea what you're good at. I have no idea what value you can offer me.

00:33:40.700 So one of the ways early on I did this was I would see someone like, I didn't do this with John,

00:33:45.300 but there were other people that I did this with. And I'd say, hey, I saw that because the big thing

00:33:48.900 for a while was publishing income reports online, right? So these people could show how much money

00:33:52.840 they were making. Which, by the way, was a great strategy because then people say, oh, wow,

00:33:57.100 he makes six figures a month. I need to pay him to do that.

00:33:59.500 Yeah. And that's a credibility booster.

00:34:01.040 Right. Exactly. So great strategy there. But no, I would reach out to him and be like, hey,

00:34:04.980 I saw that you're making $100,000 a month. I looked it up because in some states you can find how

00:34:09.740 they're structured. And I'd say, hey, I see that you're structured as an LLC still. Here's a quick video

00:34:14.740 I did that shows that you could save $7,000 by being taxed as an S corporation, right? So they knew

00:34:20.880 exactly what I could provide for them. They knew exactly how I could help them. It wasn't just,

00:34:25.920 hey, I do taxes. I'm happy to help anytime. Because then they have to think about how I can

00:34:29.560 help them. Like you said, it creates more work. Right. I mean, I get messages every day. And

00:34:33.200 although I appreciate those guys who reach out and want to help and want to be part of what we're

00:34:37.440 doing, I do appreciate that. That's why we're doing it. I just can't take the time to think about

00:34:42.020 what every one of those requests could do for me or the order man or anybody else who might need

00:34:46.520 help. And so I love that strategy of, okay, what am I good at? Where can I

00:34:50.760 provide value? Where is there a problem, right? As men, we are problem identifying machines.

00:34:56.560 And then specifically, how can I solve this problem for this other person?

00:35:00.560 Yeah, exactly. And the other thing I'd say there is don't be afraid to do it for free for a few

00:35:04.500 influencers. A lot of business coaches, I don't know if you ever heard that. I always heard,

00:35:08.940 well, actually I did financial advising for a while and we had a business coach. He's always,

00:35:12.520 no free consulting, no free consulting. Once you do it for free, no one will ever pay you.

00:35:15.840 I completely disagree, especially early on. You can connect with an influencer. To this day,

00:35:20.820 I still do all of John Lee Dumas' taxes for free because in turn, yeah, maybe over the last three

00:35:27.280 years, maybe I collect $10,000 from him. Instead, I've probably made $200,000 from having access to

00:35:33.080 his audience because he was happy with the work I did.

00:35:35.140 Right. Yeah, it makes sense. Which this is actually a good point. And I would agree with what you said,

00:35:40.460 but I think there's probably a blend. At some point when you start building up that credibility and that

00:35:45.420 influence, that at some point, you wouldn't want to do that free consulting, but I can definitely

00:35:49.440 see where it makes sense with what you're talking about.

00:35:52.240 No, you definitely reached that point. I think even in my case, there's a few cases after I did

00:35:57.460 it with John. I was like, oh, this is a great strategy. And I did it for a few other people.

00:36:00.280 And I was like, this is stupid. I need to start charging. So there does come a point of where you 0.99

00:36:04.360 do need to start charging.

00:36:05.260 Yeah, you just got to use your head and do it on a case-by-case basis. But you also bring up the

00:36:10.340 point that I think a lot of people will probably hear this conversation, especially how we started,

00:36:15.420 with it and think, oh, everybody needs to do this. Like do this now. I can hurry and start

00:36:19.840 something. I can do some reviews or I can take some people hunting and I can make a hundred

00:36:22.600 thousand dollars. And although there might be some exceptions to that, where that actually

00:36:28.220 does work out that way. I just want to make sure that we throw this out here that you're

00:36:33.860 not seeing the behind the scenes work. Like I get so many messages that say something to

00:36:38.100 the effect of Ryan, you're lucky, or I wish I had your job. You just get to be on Facebook

00:36:42.320 all day. And it's like, yeah, you're seeing the outside manifestation of a boatload of

00:36:47.620 work on the back end.

00:36:49.680 Yeah, exactly. I mean, for every client that I have that's making six figures in this, there's

00:36:54.040 probably been five behind them that did it, thought they'd make immediate money and stopped

00:36:57.940 after a month because they didn't make anything. You've got a plan that you're going to go at

00:37:02.080 least a few months, if not even maybe a year before you're bringing in real money. It kind

00:37:07.640 of comes back to what we talked about at the beginning. Should you go, should you burn the

00:37:10.420 boats and go all in? Or should you kind of do it on the side first? For most people,

00:37:14.900 I would recommend doing it on the side. If you can keep that day job while you build this,

00:37:19.180 my guess is you probably didn't just abandon your financial practice and start Order of

00:37:22.480 Man from scratch, right?

00:37:24.020 Right.

00:37:24.280 You kept that money coming in, slowly build up Order of Man, and maybe you scale back on

00:37:30.080 one or the other as the other one builds. So if you can start by moonlighting... So here's

00:37:34.420 a perfect example. In my case, I didn't just completely abandon all income. I actually found

00:37:39.600 an older guy that was looking to get out of his tax practice. And he said, hey, just come

00:37:44.100 in and do all of my clients for me and I'll pay you 30% of the revenue. And if you want

00:37:47.760 to grow your own practice on the side, you can keep all that. So I did all of his work.

00:37:51.620 And in the meantime, I'm working till two in the morning every night trying to build a

00:37:55.880 client base on my own. And when I had enough to replace his work, that's when I left his

00:38:00.520 and did everything on my own.

00:38:02.040 Right.

00:38:02.280 So I think you need to have a strategy there.

00:38:04.780 No, I mean, this is a good point. Yeah. I mean, to your point about Order of Man, I was literally

00:38:09.080 eight months before of work, hard work before I even made a dollar. And I think in November of

00:38:16.380 last year, so a little over a year ago, I made maybe 900 bucks, something like... I mean, it wasn't

00:38:23.980 very much at all after eight months of work. But it did also show me the potential that it was there.

00:38:29.620 And I think the point here is that if you are going to get involved in a business, not just as

00:38:34.100 a tax strategy, but as, hey, this is something I want to do permanently, a career choice even,

00:38:39.680 that you plant your flag and really be in this thing for the long haul. Because there's been

00:38:44.140 businesses that are very similar to mine that started about the same time that aren't even

00:38:48.340 on the map anymore. And the only reason is not because they weren't good or didn't have a great

00:38:53.400 message or weren't high quality people. It has to do with the consistency of delivering the message

00:38:59.600 that we have over the past almost two years now. And it is every single day, all day of putting

00:39:05.200 yourself out there. Yeah, exactly. And there's so many people that do try to do what you did and

00:39:10.420 a month into it, they're going to say, this is a lot of work. I'm not getting anything. I quit.

00:39:14.320 Yeah. We need eight months. John Lee Dumas, everyone sees that he's making millions a year.

00:39:19.620 He went, I think, like nine to 10 months before he made a single dime on that podcast.

00:39:24.200 So it's every success story. I mean, every once in a while, you'll hear someone that was making

00:39:28.080 money from day one. But for the most part, it's going to take months and months of hard work with

00:39:32.060 little to no return. Well, and I think anytime you hear somebody that made money from day one,

00:39:36.540 they're probably trying to sell you something, quite honestly.

00:39:39.260 Yeah, exactly. Unless they got super lucky. That's exactly what it is. And the other thing I'd add here

00:39:43.460 is if you think, so I see this all the time. People say, okay, order of man is awesome. It's making,

00:39:48.980 I can see that it's making good money. This would be an awesome job. Like you said,

00:39:52.120 people are saying I can spend all day on Facebook. So they go and create a podcast interviewing men

00:39:56.640 and create a Facebook group. And they basically become a copy of order of man. You're almost

00:40:01.640 certainly not going to make money doing that. And that, I think that's what most people try to do

00:40:05.600 when they start a business. They see someone that's making money. They think they want to do it. And

00:40:09.300 they try to provide an exact copy of that. And that's not going to work.

00:40:12.440 Well, to your point, when I started order of man, my original intention was to create something

00:40:16.780 very similar to Brett McKay with art of manliness. And I realized very quickly that he already

00:40:21.840 had a strong foothold. I am not Brett. I cannot do it like Brett, nor do I want to. And so we went

00:40:28.740 our own direction. And that's where I started to gain some traction.

00:40:32.220 Yeah, exactly. And there's nothing wrong with saying, okay, order of man is really cool.

00:40:35.680 I think I can provide my own spin and do something similar, but also very different. That's how you

00:40:40.900 make money. It's not saying I'm going to create entrepreneur on fire. I can't tell you what people,

00:40:46.000 when he started publishing his income reports and people saw the money he's making,

00:40:50.340 there was probably about a hundred thousand new podcasts that went up of interviewing

00:40:55.560 entrepreneurs, thinking that they were going to make money doing that.

00:40:58.020 Sure. And a lot of them were probably quote unquote on fire, right? So yeah, exactly.

00:41:03.320 Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a, it's a good point. Well, Josh, we're winding down on time. I mean,

00:41:07.620 this has actually been a really fascinating discussion and I think it skims the surface on,

00:41:11.280 on what we're talking about and why this might be valuable in somebody who's listening's life.

00:41:15.220 Tell me, well, I guess before I get to that question, I do want to ask you the question that I

00:41:19.260 prepped you a little bit for, and that is what does it mean to be a man?

00:41:23.200 I would say to me, being a man is just handling your responsibilities, whatever those are. If it's,

00:41:28.480 it's a family, you're handling your, your, your, your responsibilities to your family. If it's

00:41:32.080 financial responsibilities, you're handling them. And no matter what hits, no matter what difficult

00:41:36.260 situations arise, you're, you're finding a way to handle those responsibilities.

00:41:39.660 I love it, man. And obviously something we, we agree with as well. So powerful stuff. Well,

00:41:44.560 tell us how we can find you. Obviously we're, we're the beginning of the year. This is a busy

00:41:48.320 time for you. And this is a time that probably entrepreneurs should be thinking about touching

00:41:52.560 base with you. So tell us how we can connect and learn more about the work you're doing.

00:41:55.980 Yeah. So definitely check out my website, cpmfire.com. Uh, you can reach out to me directly

00:42:00.500 via email, josh at cpmfire.com. Uh, and there are actually, we, if you're interested in what type of

00:42:06.640 entity is the best for you, like we talked about LLC, S Corp, that kind of stuff. We created a free

00:42:10.480 video course that you can check out. If you go to cpmfire.com slash fire nation.

00:42:16.100 Right on. We'll make sure we address all of that in the show notes so the guys can get the links and

00:42:19.720 everything else. Josh, I appreciate, man. I'm looking forward to getting to know you better.

00:42:22.960 We've known each other for, for a couple of months now and, uh, and honored to know you and the work

00:42:26.980 that you're doing and appreciate you imparting some of your wisdom on us today. Thanks brother.

00:42:30.320 Yeah. Thanks for having me.

00:42:32.660 There you have it guys. Josh Bowerly giving us some truth about what it takes to start your own

00:42:36.620 business on the side. I hope you guys take this knowledge and consider implementing

00:42:40.260 it in your life. Some of you have never had the desire to run your own business, but I hope you

00:42:45.080 can at least see the benefits of why you may want to turn an interest or a hobby into a side business.

00:42:49.940 Again, just a quick reminder about our second live event, the uprising. We are going to sell out.

00:42:54.180 We've got 25 spots this year. I think we've got six spots left and I want to see you there. And at

00:42:59.260 the end of the day, we're going to be completing some activities and some challenges that are going to be

00:43:02.520 exactly what you might need to take your life to the next level. You can learn more and claim and

00:43:07.180 reserve your spot at order of man.com slash uprising. I'm going to look forward to talking with you on

00:43:11.200 Friday for our Friday field notes, but until then take action and become the man you were meant to be.

00:43:16.160 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life and be

00:43:21.220 more of the man you were meant to be. We invite you to join the order at order of man.com.

00:43:26.220 Thank you.

Order of Man - February 07, 2017

099： Building a Business on the Side ｜ Josh Bauerle

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