Order of Man - 114： The Ranger Way ｜ Kris "Tanto" Paronto

00:00:00.060 When you hear the words Benghazi, Libya, you might think of the book and subsequent movie,

00:00:04.280 13 Hours. You might think of the terrorist attack, the death of U.S. Ambassador Stevens,

00:00:08.840 and the cover-up that followed. Today, Chris Tonto Peranto, a member of the CIA annexed

00:00:13.400 security team that responded to the terrorist attack in Benghazi, joins me to talk about what

00:00:17.920 really happened that night, the importance of living your life to a code, how to incorporate

00:00:22.640 battle rhythms into your life, why every man must choose the hard right over the easy wrong,

00:00:27.680 and how we can all, each and every one of us, live the Ranger way.

00:00:31.500 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:37.340 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred,

00:00:43.180 defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will

00:00:50.200 become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:56.040 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler, and I am the host and the

00:01:00.420 founder of this podcast, The Order of Men. Another exciting one for you today, off the

00:01:04.800 heels of my interview with the one and only Ted Nugent last week. Guys, you are in for another

00:01:09.740 good one today. But before I get into the discussion with an American hero, Chris Tonto Peranto,

00:01:15.360 I want to welcome you to the best podcast available for men today. Each week, we are interviewing the

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00:01:38.760 a link to Chris's new book, The Ranger Way, you can get those at orderofman.com slash

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00:02:40.200 and out of the way, let me get into my discussion with Chris. For those of you who may not know,

00:02:45.200 he was a member of the CIA annex security team that responded to the terrorist attack in Benghazi,

00:02:50.820 Libya on September 11th, 2012. Chris Tonto Paranto, as he is affectionately referred to has

00:02:57.340 assisted in saving over 20 lives while fighting off terrorists for over 13 hours. And that's the

00:03:03.880 book and the movie that I'm sure a lot of you guys are familiar with. Chris is a former army

00:03:07.480 ranger, a private security contractor. He's deployed in South America, Central America,

00:03:12.680 the Middle East, North America. The guy has been everywhere. And he's also worked with

00:03:17.140 U.S. government's global response staff conducting what he calls low profile security

00:03:22.700 in high threat environments. I'm sure a lot of you guys can connect the dots and understand what

00:03:27.200 he's talking about there. He's done that throughout the world. And guys, I am honored to have the

00:03:31.180 chance to talk with this true American hero today, Mr. Chris Paranto. Chris, what's going on,

00:03:36.880 man? Thanks for joining me on the show today. Of course, Ryan. Thanks for having me. I appreciate

00:03:40.460 it, man. Yeah, I know you're on the road and you've got a busy schedule with the book

00:03:43.900 release. So I appreciate you squeezing us in. No, no worries. No worries. Always is somewhere.

00:03:49.220 I think I got more sleep when I was deployed than I do now. Yes, it sounds like it. Thank you, bro.

00:03:55.620 Yeah. Well, I know you've got the book launch, The Ranger Way. And so I guess we ought to lead this

00:04:00.740 off when you talk about The Ranger Way. What are you referring to? And that'll give us the framework

00:04:04.560 for the discussion today. To me, The Ranger Way is about leadership. And it's what I learned from my

00:04:11.260 leaders when I was a Ranger Battalion. And then also, even unbeknownst to me, is learning that

00:04:17.520 from my father and my mother as far as just doing the right thing. And, you know, there is a part,

00:04:23.300 if you feel the scene 13 Hours, there's a, which I'm portrayed in, there's a scene where I do say,

00:04:28.500 and it's not the movie, I do say this. And Michael Bay did a great job keeping the movies accurate in

00:04:33.260 that two-hour time frame where I said, as long as I'm doing the right thing, God will take care of me.

00:04:36.580 Well, that was from my parents. And that's essentially what, to me, The Ranger Way is. It's

00:04:40.760 following what, you know, the Lord has put in front of you, but also knowing when to do the

00:04:45.720 right thing. And if you're doing the right thing, that you'll be taken care of. Being not, I'm not

00:04:50.180 saying financially or with, emotionally, yes, but not financially, not with the superficial things,

00:04:56.440 just saying that spiritually you're going to be fine. And The Ranger Way gets into that too,

00:05:00.680 gets into the faith. And also The Ranger Way is also about just being willing to sacrifice,

00:05:06.560 yourself for others, and the selfless service. And that's essential if you want to become a good

00:05:12.840 leader. And that's what I saw growing up within The Ranger Battalion, but also just growing up in

00:05:18.180 general. So I guess you could say that me going into Ranger Battalion was the right fit, because

00:05:22.420 little did my parents know that's what they were raising, was a person to go into The Ranger Battalion,

00:05:28.360 Ranger Regiment, and be able to not only follow orders, but be able to take orders. And then also,

00:05:33.540 as exemplified in not just Benghazi, Libya, but in the 10 years of me deploying prior to that,

00:05:39.980 that was willing to put my life down for others. And to me, that's The Ranger Way. It's always putting

00:05:45.300 others before yourself. You read that in the Bible quite a bit a lot, is the ultimate sacrifice of

00:05:50.900 who gave us the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus, so to forgive our sins. And that's how everybody should

00:05:55.680 live their lives. And that's what The Ranger Way is about.

00:05:57.560 Well, and I know John 15, 13 is a big verse for you, which is basically what you're talking about

00:06:03.140 now, basically laying down your life for another man.

00:06:06.360 Yep. Love is no greatness that a man lay down his life for his friend. And I know different

00:06:09.820 versions of the Bible have different versions of that, but that's how I read it. And that's how

00:06:14.180 the military is everywhere. Even if you go to Texas A&M and you go to the Corps of Cadets,

00:06:18.580 which is, if you ever get a chance to go to Texas A&M and just see that facility there,

00:06:22.160 it's beautiful. They even have that on outside on their monikers, John 15, 13. So even at that early

00:06:28.680 age of before going in the military, they are already being prepped to learn that, hey,

00:06:34.380 you need to put others before yourself. If there's a gunfight, and this is literally literal sense,

00:06:39.240 if there's a gunfight, you better go towards that gunfire so your buddies are safe. And I loved

00:06:44.260 seeing that when I got to speak at Texas A&M and seeing that there, that it's not just in me,

00:06:48.740 John 15, 13. It's what is versed in all of the military. And that's what we do. That's what

00:06:54.240 guys still going downrange and protecting our freedoms for us to talk here. And for me to drink

00:06:58.260 this cup of coffee in this car is because they're willing, men and women willing to go downrange and

00:07:03.080 protect our freedoms. So we don't have to worry about car bombs at the local target, which is,

00:07:08.340 I'm telling you people, it's a beautiful thing not having to go out and worry about getting blown up

00:07:12.460 on the side of the road in the morning. And I think we take that for granted quite a bit,

00:07:15.940 but that's the John 15, 13 is sacrifice, selfless service. I'm going to say that pretty much through

00:07:20.780 this whole interview. You talk about running towards the gunfire, which is something that

00:07:24.800 you did in your life, literally ran towards the gunfire. Was that instinct? I mean, what went

00:07:30.300 through your mind as you were in Benghazi and you felt like you had a mission to do and live what

00:07:35.900 you're talking about right now? People are going to think I'm weird saying this. I'm lucky. I was very

00:07:40.740 lucky to be able to do that at that point in my career. I think that if it may have happened earlier

00:07:47.240 before I had, you know, any maturity in me before I had been through things similar to that, not saying

00:07:53.260 that very rarely are you going to go through anything similar to 13 hours. You're not, I don't

00:07:57.260 care how many combat missions you're on. It's just not going to happen because normally the military

00:08:01.660 has support and you have backup, which we didn't. But that point in time in my life, and it was,

00:08:07.440 it was a blessing that God put it through me, through us at that point, because we were all

00:08:11.760 older. We were all mature. We were all guys that could rely not only on our skill sets, but we had

00:08:17.600 the faith to rely on the other skill sets of the other man with us, with Tyrone and Jack Silva and

00:08:22.180 Mark Osgeist and John T. Tygen and Boone. That at that point, it wasn't fear or anything else. It was

00:08:28.000 just complete instinct. And literally me walking out that front door when we first saw the attack and I

00:08:32.920 could see the firefight, I said in my head, God, thank you for letting me be here. Thank you for

00:08:37.980 blessing me and putting me in this situation because firefights, when you're able to be able

00:08:42.200 to accept the fact that you're in them or accept the fact you're in those situations, they're

00:08:46.280 beautiful, brother. They are so beautiful. And when we were with a team that you trust and Boone and I

00:08:51.300 were best friends, I'd been deploying with them for 10 years at that point. How lucky was it to be

00:08:55.760 with that guy, with my best friend in that situation that I could trust wholeheartedly with my life?

00:09:01.560 That doesn't happen. That's like a lottery thing. And so I didn't feel anything, but it was just

00:09:07.440 literally, thank you for being here. Thank you for putting me here. Now let the training take over

00:09:12.160 because whenever the crap hits the fan, and I tell leaders this, especially when I speak at corporate

00:09:17.220 events, you will always fall back on your highest level of training, always. And that's what happened

00:09:21.740 when we fell back to our highest level of trainings. Luckily for us at that point, we'd been all older,

00:09:27.500 been deploying for quite a while. We'd been in our units before contracting for

00:09:31.300 many, many years. So we had a lot of training under our belts. And then we just relied on each other

00:09:36.040 and just went for it. You know, you just go, you don't think about it. You just, it's time to move,

00:09:40.120 move forward, take care of business and let the chips fall where they may. And accept the fact

00:09:44.600 that you're in that situation and thank God that you're there. That's how I felt. And I think I can

00:09:48.900 speak for a lot of the guys. I'm sure they felt the same way because there weren't any hiccups that

00:09:52.560 night on our part. And it was awesome. It was like a symphony. One of the most beautiful things

00:09:56.920 I'd ever seen, ever got experience. When does the reality of the situation

00:10:01.580 actually hit you? I mean, I imagine you're on adrenaline and you're talking about relying

00:10:05.240 back on that training. Are you in the moment or is it like you're in the zone and then afterwards

00:10:09.300 you realize what the hell just happened? You're in what we call it. And again,

00:10:12.860 it just depends on the person. I do think it has a lot to do with how you hold yourself with how your

00:10:18.220 military bearings and maintaining your composure. With me, it was just, yeah, it's just instinct.

00:10:23.720 And that was it. It was just, hey, we need to go. Let's go. Once you start to move,

00:10:27.600 now it just becomes you're reacting. Because we didn't have a plan. There wasn't an official plan

00:10:32.280 because it was a reactive environment. We weren't proactive. The bad guys, Ansel Sharia, 0.97

00:10:37.000 they got the initiative. They took the initiative. They were being proactive. And then we, as we

00:10:41.560 continually waited, it became more and more of a reactive environment where we just had to move and

00:10:47.480 then rely on the training that we've done in the past. And then it does. It just becomes just a job.

00:10:52.320 What's the next? You're wargaming. Okay. This minute's gone by. What do I need to do next?

00:10:55.720 Okay. I just jumped over this wall. What happens in this normal situation? And you're like a

00:10:59.560 microprocessor. In your head, you're going through all different scenarios that you've been through

00:11:03.600 before or that you've trained through before, both going through in real life and training.

00:11:08.440 And you're thinking as you jump in, okay, what's the best thing? If I get in contact here,

00:11:12.080 what do I do? That is based off the outstanding training that you get within the special operations

00:11:16.300 community, me being a Ranger, Ty and Jack being SEALs, you know, Boone being Force Recon,

00:11:21.320 being MARSOC. You get put in all those scenarios, whether you're downrange in real life or training,

00:11:26.360 that you can have a plethora of information in your head that you can just pull from.

00:11:31.740 And it becomes instinctive because you're able to remain calm, but you do have that adrenaline,

00:11:36.120 but then you go into what's called the flow. So you go on the flow, your world just opens up

00:11:40.340 and it's outstanding. It's just, it's so outstanding. You just can't get that back here

00:11:44.320 in the States. But then the reality, honestly, for me sits in after the fact and it sits in

00:11:51.280 at night or during the day, once you come back home and then be honest with you, when you start

00:11:57.520 seeing the news and I don't watch the news anymore because they just spin it. And then you get angry,

00:12:02.280 especially in our case, because it was being so misconstrued and lied about and agendized and

00:12:06.940 coming back from that. And basically having to sign multiple nondisclosures by the agency and then

00:12:12.680 being called liars by people in your own office. That's when the reality set in.

00:12:17.460 How do you deal with something like that? I mean, obviously this is a while ago,

00:12:20.440 not significantly long ago, but how do you then go on about your everyday ordinary life? I mean,

00:12:25.920 is this something that you just try to live and let live, try to forget as best you can,

00:12:29.720 or how does this work in your life?

00:12:32.220 You know, I, that's not even, I wish that was even, well, I don't even wish that was possible,

00:12:35.280 but it's not possible to ever forget any catastrophic or emotionally traumatic event

00:12:39.600 that you go through. Honestly, brother, what I did when I came back and I saw it being

00:12:43.420 misconstrued and lied about, I left, I went back to Yemen. I redeployed. I was out. I was like,

00:12:47.900 screw this. And I did. I was like, screw this country. I'm gone. I kind of felt what I believed

00:12:52.380 that some of the Vietnam guys felt when they came back. Yeah. Cause it was just, yeah, it is.

00:12:57.100 You come back and you don't expect medals or honors or anything, but you don't expect to be treated

00:13:01.880 like trash and then be told that you aren't telling the truth by some guy that was watching

00:13:05.540 it on a computer or read about it on, on social media. And I left, I went to Yemen. I hated this 0.92

00:13:11.240 country. I did. And then over time, as the, you know, I kept redeploying. And then over time,

00:13:16.700 as finally the team, again, the team came together and said, you know what, we're going to have to

00:13:22.000 sacrifice our careers, maybe even our lifestyles, our family's lifestyles, but we need to tell the

00:13:27.020 truth. And we came together as a team again and voted to tell the truth. And we did, we all lost

00:13:32.120 our jobs. We all lost our security clearances, but we told the truth. And that's the right thing

00:13:36.180 because you got to be able to live with yourself down the line. And if you're doing it because

00:13:40.960 you're not doing the right thing because of money or because of superficial things, and then you're

00:13:46.060 not doing the right thing and you have no integrity. So integrity is important. And, and, but I'll be

00:13:49.800 honest, brother, over the last three years, I've seen how much support we actually have had

00:13:54.800 and people are finally starting to come out of the woodwork and, and it keeps me going.

00:13:58.980 I'm a bigger Patriot now than when I first joined the military, because I've seen people rally behind

00:14:03.760 us, but I didn't see that the first eight months and it hurt. So I left, I went back and redeployed.

00:14:08.500 Yeah. So doing the right thing, you talk about being an integrity and doing the right thing,

00:14:12.600 regardless of the outcome of that. Is that this code that you're talking about in the book,

00:14:15.820 the Ranger way, or is that something separate than living? Yeah. No, no, that that's in there. And

00:14:20.100 you'll, you'll hear it. You'll hear it. And, and I apologize. I couldn't get you the book. Actually,

00:14:23.860 I couldn't get anybody to book anyway, because Hachette was not letting it go.

00:14:27.500 That's right. Our audience will read it the same time I do. So it'll be good.

00:14:31.080 I say it multiple times in the book, taking the hard right over the easy wrong. It's always easy.

00:14:36.620 You know, the devil is always giving you that easy path, man. That's easy. You can go that way.

00:14:40.720 There's no obstacles, straight line distance. Look at that treasure at the end. And, but then you do it

00:14:45.420 at the end, you're unfulfilled and you're not, you're unfulfilled. You may hurt people along the way,

00:14:49.740 whether it's emotionally or physically that don't need to be hurt. And when I say,

00:14:53.760 and the reason I say it that way is because when the terrorists were trying to kill us,

00:14:57.800 we were hurting them. And I don't have any remorse for that. They were coming after us.

00:15:01.160 If they would have left us alone, we would have left them alone. But at that particular night in

00:15:04.840 Benghazi, Libya, but you know, hard, right? Sometimes you have to make those tough decisions.

00:15:09.520 And again, I give an example, multiple examples, but one is, is just telling the story,

00:15:14.640 coming out and saying, Hey, this is actually what took place in Benghazi, Libya, knowing that that

00:15:19.980 was a hard, right? Because we lost our jobs. We lost our livelihood, stuff that we've been doing

00:15:24.780 for years that we even depended on, you know, for food, put food on the table, but it was the right

00:15:30.140 thing to do. That was the hard, right? And as history has shown us, and I think history will

00:15:33.880 continue even to validate that, that that was the correct decision to make. And that is having

00:15:38.260 integrity, doing the right thing when no one else is looking. And that is part of the Ranger way.

00:15:42.520 That is hit on the book over and over again, that you are going to have to sometimes suffer a bit

00:15:48.700 to do the right thing. But in the end, it's going to come back for you, whether it's just an emotional

00:15:54.300 feeling, or even just a spiritual feeling of, you know, I did the right thing, I can live with

00:15:59.140 myself. And that's huge in the Ranger way. That's how most Rangers live their lives. They do. That's

00:16:03.200 why they do it. That's how most guys in special ops do what they do, because they do feel like

00:16:07.340 there's something bigger than them out there. And then they get involved in the situations like we did,

00:16:11.720 or other situations that I was involved in Iraq or Afghanistan. And you realize, yep, you know what,

00:16:16.960 there is something bigger in us. And I'm glad to be part of that bigger picture. And it's not about

00:16:21.160 me. And that's part of the Ranger way to integrity is huge on that brother integrity is huge in being

00:16:26.600 a good person and being a God fearing man and realizing that you are fallible. How much does a

00:16:31.880 battle plan play into this? Because obviously, you fell back on your training in Benghazi, Libya,

00:16:36.220 but you didn't have a battle plan. But then you're talking about building and developing a battle plan,

00:16:40.380 not only in the battle, but also in civilian life as well.

00:16:44.080 You know, really what that is, and battle plans can be made. And this is where the Ranger way comes

00:16:48.300 in quite a bit too, is that in the Ranger way, a battle plan doesn't always mean that you have a

00:16:52.540 well-made plan that you put in that you've made, you know, months prior, years prior. It's a plan that

00:16:58.480 you have developed over your training and over just little things. I call it putting in your kit bag,

00:17:03.460 you find something you like, you find something that works for you, put in your kit bag,

00:17:06.940 because you might be able to pull that thing out later and use it. So that's really what the

00:17:11.040 battle plan is, is having multiple experiences, going through things that you might fail at and

00:17:16.320 learning at from those failures to do the right thing next time, to succeed next time. That's your

00:17:21.040 battle plan. So you may have a plan in effect, like, hey, how am I going to pay off my house in 10

00:17:26.780 years? Well, chances are, it will not work out the way you planned it. But you've gone through

00:17:32.140 experiences that you have before that you can pull from. So once that plan is kind of deviates a

00:17:37.060 little bit, you know how to adjust to it. You got that frago, you got that fragmentary order,

00:17:41.140 that frago order that, uh-oh, this 10-year plan for pay off my house, I just lost my job. What do I 0.94

00:17:46.500 do now? Well, you know what? Think about what happens. What's the contingency plan? That's your

00:17:51.020 next step in your battle plan. So it's ever-changing, it's ever-flowing. It's like clearing a room. It's like

00:17:55.580 clearing a building, fill and flow. You're going into the building, you're clearing a room. Uh-oh,

00:17:59.560 there's a door there that I didn't expect. We got to adjust fire and start to clear that.

00:18:03.400 Where's our security at? What's our next step? Where are my other buddies going at? What's

00:18:07.120 changing? How is this going to change? How do I realize this is changing? What do I do next?

00:18:11.240 Well, from training, from putting yourself through training and going through that experience again

00:18:14.660 and remembering it. And that's the battle plan. Battle plans never, never, ever work 100%. And

00:18:19.960 that's the Ranger way is about that because that's where I learned. We never did a battle. We never did a

00:18:25.100 battle plan. We never did a mission that worked as we designed it in our op order. Put that op order

00:18:30.460 out. It never worked that way. But we were always able to adjust off it because we had other experiences

00:18:36.080 that we could pull off of. And maybe we trained for those contingency plans. So when it messed up,

00:18:41.520 we're like, oh crap, well, plan A messed up. I got plan B here. We all know it. Let's deviate and go

00:18:46.540 to plan B and still continue on with the mission. The bottom line is you always move forward. You never

00:18:51.500 just stop and say, oh crap, we screwed up. What do we do? And then you're stagnant because then you

00:18:56.520 will fail. Ranger way is just that battle plan is always, always moving forward and pulling off your

00:19:01.220 experiences. And maybe that one time out of a million, it works how you plan it out. But chances

00:19:06.600 are, it's not going to, but you just don't stop. You still keep moving and you use other experiences

00:19:10.880 in your life to continue to manipulate and go forward towards that goal. Yeah. I mean, I've seen guys be so

00:19:16.840 rigid in their planning and their structures that if one little thing happens to come up,

00:19:21.100 it completely derails them. And like you said, they just, they stagnant, right? They stop and

00:19:25.560 then they get crushed. You talk to Yost. Yost knows the same thing. We call it going in the black

00:19:29.880 guys. Finally, they lose their minds and it's like the power button just shuts off and they stop.

00:19:35.980 And I think that that happened that first 30 minutes in Benghazi to our leadership, to our chief of base

00:19:40.920 and our, our staff team leader is they really didn't have a battle plan for what to do that night

00:19:46.320 because they'd never been through anything like that before. And they'd never been experienced as

00:19:49.940 something. So when it was time for them to actually make a call, they balked, they didn't

00:19:55.080 know what to do. So instead of doing something and they were so afraid of making the wrong decision

00:19:59.580 that they didn't make any decision. And that's when the guys, that's when myself and Tyrone and

00:20:05.240 Boone and Oz and Kig and Jack, that's when we said, you know what, we need to take over now. It's our time

00:20:10.220 to take over. And the reason we were able to do that is because of course, who were we with

00:20:14.580 before? The SOCOM environment, SEALs, Rangers, we've been put through those things before. We

00:20:19.340 had the experience and we had the confidence to say, you know what, we've made decisions before.

00:20:24.600 It may not have been right, but we continued on and we're successful. We're going to do the same

00:20:28.380 thing here, move forward. Every minute that goes by, we're going to reevaluate, but we're going to

00:20:32.980 keep moving forward and then we'll adjust far as we go and we will be successful. But we may not go

00:20:38.400 according to this plan coming out of the gate right now, which it didn't. It didn't work out that way

00:20:42.640 because we ended up fighting our way the last 400 meters on foot. And then of course,

00:20:47.340 little did we know we're going to be there all the way to the next morning, trying to figure out

00:20:50.500 how to get the heck out of there. But we never stopped. And because of that, over 30 people's

00:20:55.040 lives were saved that night. And granted, we only lost four, and I hate to say only, but it's war.

00:21:00.600 You're going to lose people in war, but four people died where it could have been 36 people.

00:21:04.560 And if I remember correctly, one of that top line leadership was awarded the medal of honor. If I

00:21:09.040 remember correctly, which doesn't, based on my limited knowledge, doesn't seem like that was

00:21:13.400 the right move. It's terrible. Politics takes precedence over patriotism now in DC, brother. And

00:21:19.660 yeah, our chief of base, Bob, and our staff team leader wasn't portrayed in the movie. We didn't

00:21:24.540 have time to build his character. So basically him and Bob are the same guy, our chief. In the book,

00:21:29.000 he's in there, he's in the book because the book is, yeah, we wrote it. You can be 100% accurate in

00:21:33.020 the book. Yeah. And that's for people out there, movies are generally like that. You just can't

00:21:36.860 build every character in war movies, even Black Hawk Down morph characters together because

00:21:41.700 you just, you don't have time. But bottom line is, is they won what was called the star for

00:21:45.700 bravery, which is the CIA's medal of honor. And did they deserve it? No, they didn't. They,

00:21:50.860 they didn't do anything. Our team leader didn't fire a shot. They balked. They, they lost us

00:21:55.160 precious time. They, they didn't make decisions and even their mannerisms and their body language

00:22:00.340 when we were fighting that night in particular, and this is in the Ranger. I put this in the

00:22:05.200 Ranger way as well. A section about leadership, your body language. I remember walking into our

00:22:10.180 skiff or talk or building C when we got back to our annex and I'd found a blackberry in the ash

00:22:16.000 in the consulate at the ambassador's villa. So I figured, well, maybe we could see who the text was.

00:22:20.900 He could unlock it. Cause you know, we can do that. And yeah, I'm going to find the chief

00:22:25.820 because of my night vision had broken too. So I'd go get a new set of night nods, new set of my

00:22:30.280 night optical devices. And it was around midnight and I walk in there and he's sitting on his butt

00:22:35.280 with head in his hands, his elbows on his knees. And whether he was thinking defeated or not,

00:22:41.180 I don't know, but the body language showed defeat and he's in the middle of the room showing this to

00:22:45.720 everybody. That was leadership right there. That was a poor leadership decision on his part,

00:22:50.800 whether he was defeated or not, you're giving off that persona of we have failed and people,

00:22:56.440 your subordinates feed off that. And that was part of the book of just leadership. You've got

00:23:01.180 to still stay strong, even if there may be no chance. And there's always going to be a little

00:23:05.160 bit of chance, but even if you're like, gosh, I don't know how we're going to do this. You got

00:23:08.440 to stay positive because it's like a wildfire. You start being negative, your subordinates feed off

00:23:12.960 that. And then they all go negative too. And I learned that from my first battalion commander,

00:23:17.440 Stanley McChrystal, Lieutenant Colonel McChrystal, General McChrystal now of the right,

00:23:21.700 right body language, right persona to portray success. You can't look like you're going to feed it.

00:23:26.420 If you're going to try to portray success to your subordinates and he did. And in that case,

00:23:29.900 that was awful because now everybody's going to give up and we're only at midnight and we had

00:23:34.420 to fight our way through that. And that was again, the blessing of having the guys with me that were

00:23:38.540 true leaders, whether they were leaders on paper or not, they were true leaders in life with Tyrone

00:23:43.160 and Jack and Oz and Tig and Boone that we didn't let it affect us. So we just continued to fight on.

00:23:49.080 And that was the right thing to do. What he did was completely wrong. And you should never do that as a

00:23:52.600 leader, never give your body language, the defeatist look in front of your subordinates ever.

00:23:56.420 I'm going to assume that he didn't know what to do and how to react to that situation,

00:24:00.620 which is what you've alluded to. What in that situation, because I've been in a situation where

00:24:04.620 I'm like, I have no idea what to do next. What is the correct move in that type of situation?

00:24:08.980 Put pride aside. And the Ranger way talks about this too. I had some great leaders,

00:24:13.900 even tab spec fours and, and team leaders, E fives that normally they knew they were experts in

00:24:19.540 everything that we had to do there. But what you would do is they put away their pride. Sometimes

00:24:23.180 they didn't know. And if a private knew more, they would rely on them. They say, Hey, what do I do

00:24:27.280 here? I'm not for sure. Maybe it wasn't. And it could have even been in private. It didn't have

00:24:30.540 to be in front of people. Right. But what I'm saying is you put away your pride and you say, Hey,

00:24:35.560 I don't know what to do here. You guys have more experience take over, which in our case,

00:24:39.380 it's such a perfect black and white example where the first 30 minutes where we were held back after

00:24:45.060 that first five, he didn't know what to do. He was holding us back. Same with our team leader,

00:24:49.400 because I won't allude to it. They didn't know what the heck they were going to do. They'd never

00:24:53.280 been in that situation before where they had to make a call as far as military wise. Our team leader

00:24:57.320 was a former secret service guy. He had no military experience either. And, um, they should have

00:25:02.440 turned it over. You turn it over to your guys, your subordinates that have the experience. I learned

00:25:08.460 that. And I put it in the book too. I learned that from being on an A team and a special forces, 18,

00:25:12.820 the alpha, the 18 alpha, the captain, he's well-versed in a little parts of everything that one of the,

00:25:19.220 that a sergeant has to do on his team, whether it's a weapon sergeant, the comm sergeant, you know,

00:25:23.380 the, the engineer, but when it comes to a specific duty that needs to be done, let's say there has

00:25:28.740 to be BOD stuff done. There has to be explosive ordinance done. The team leader doesn't take charge

00:25:33.940 of that. He may delegate. This is what needs to be done, but then he turns it over to his subject

00:25:38.060 matter expert, which is his EOD, which is his explosive sergeant. Or if it's a weapons thing,

00:25:42.580 he turns it over to his Bravo. That's what you do. You put your pride aside and say, you know,

00:25:46.860 I don't know what to do here, buddy. I know you work for me, but you are the expert in this field.

00:25:52.320 Guide me. What do we need to do? And that's when they should have just said, Hey, you guys know

00:25:55.820 what's going on. You Seals, Rangers, and Marines have been doing this for 18 years. You guys know

00:26:00.120 what to do. Take over. This is just what we expect happened, which is really should have been just,

00:26:04.720 Hey, go find the ambassador, save him, get him back here. Roger that, sir. And then we just

00:26:09.200 hustled and did him out. But because of his delay and because of the death of the ambassador,

00:26:14.420 Sean Smith, of smoke inhalation, I do believe that delay caused their deaths because they

00:26:18.460 weren't shot. They were dead because of the fire and they died of smoke inhalation, which takes,

00:26:22.620 which takes a little bit of time. You just, as a leader, you got to put your pride aside. You

00:26:26.900 don't know everything. You don't. And sometimes you got to say, Hey, buddy, I know you work for me,

00:26:31.700 but I don't know what to do here. Can you help me out? And I do that a lot. I'm not an expert. I don't

00:26:36.920 know everything. And that makes a good leader because you surround yourself with good people that

00:26:40.760 do know what they're doing. If Trump says, Hey, we need to know what to do here. We're going to go

00:26:44.700 in and we're going to battle here in Afghanistan. This is what my, what my troops doing. And he's

00:26:49.560 got general Mattis, not doing anything. Trump's a piss poor leader because she's got an expert right 0.92

00:26:53.940 there. Hey, general Mattis, this is what the in-state is. We need to make sure Taliban's gone. 0.99

00:26:58.040 What do we do? Take it over. And general Mattis does the plan. That's being a good leader right

00:27:02.040 there.

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00:28:02.580 order of man.com slash iron council. Again, that's order of man.com slash iron council. Now, let me get

00:28:09.040 back to our conversation with Chris short of placing yourself in a dangerous situation or finding yourself

00:28:16.440 in a firefight for your life and death. Literally, what can a civilian man do to create some of these 0.82

00:28:22.780 experiences that will allow him to build up some of this resiliency and mental toughness and fortitude that

00:28:29.060 you all exhibit? Yeah, that's where I like doing the Ranger way because it's very simple. It's not a war book.

00:28:35.520 It's not a, Hey, you have to be in so calm training to become successful as a leader. You just have to be

00:28:41.560 willing to get out of your comfort zone every once in a while. And there are specific examples throughout the

00:28:45.700 book where, you know, I was an independent insurance adjuster when I had a break in

00:28:49.560 service from the military. People don't realize that I actually went through basic training twice. And I went to

00:28:54.140 Ranger Indoc twice and airborne school because I had a break in service. I didn't know that. And that's in the book.

00:28:59.120 Yeah. Yeah. I, I went and got my master degree and I got bored. I'm like, ah, crap. I'm going back in the service.

00:29:03.140 It sucks. But when I was an insurance adjuster, same thing. I gave that example. I didn't know what an insurance

00:29:09.880 adjuster was. And I got hired on as one at Mutual of Omaha. What I did is to learn is I take a step back.

00:29:16.700 I put my pride aside. I'm a civilian now. Teach me, what do I need to do here? And then I would

00:29:22.340 learn. I would learn from my bosses that knew more than me. And then I would always take chances to

00:29:27.580 get out there. If there was something that needed to be done, whether it was to get up on a roof to

00:29:31.340 measure it or go to special classes to learn how to build houses, even though it took extra time of

00:29:36.300 mine, I'd go do it. Get out of your comfort zone. Do I want to go home now? Yes, I want to go home.

00:29:40.740 But wait a second. I need to learn more about my job to be a subject matter expert in it

00:29:45.360 so I can move up and become a leader and become more confident and comfortable. And that's the

00:29:49.060 biggest thing. You become confident. So the book, what do you go into is just push yourself to do

00:29:54.260 other things, even if it takes a little time away from you being at home, or it takes a little way

00:29:58.140 of time from you going out to happy hour. It will benefit you in the future because you are bettering

00:30:03.280 yourself and you're sacrificing yourself again. Sacrifice doesn't mean you have to sacrifice your life.

00:30:09.100 Sometimes it means just sacrifice a little bit of your time to go that little extra mile. And it's okay.

00:30:14.160 And if you fail, don't worry about it. If you don't pass that class, you don't get that promotion.

00:30:18.940 Come back, do what we do, do an AR. Okay, what could I have done better? Is there anything else

00:30:23.140 I could have done to train to get myself up to that next tier? And then take a step back and go

00:30:28.320 up another two steps forward and make that happen so the next time you don't fail. And then, you know,

00:30:32.760 if you do again and accept that failure as a chance to better yourself, whatever it is, there's so many

00:30:38.140 military how to do books, how to become a SEAL, how to this, and they're great. But I wanted this to apply

00:30:43.380 to the civilian world as well because you're right. Not everybody's going to want to be or even have 0.65

00:30:48.140 the chance to be in a firefight or go to ranger school or go to buds. That's not what it is. You

00:30:53.140 don't have to be that type of person to do that to become successful in what you do. You just have

00:30:57.480 to be willing to be able to accept failure, learn from it, and then go ahead and better yourself next

00:31:03.040 time and get out of your comfort zone. And integrity is throughout. Again, integrity, just doing the

00:31:08.260 right thing. All right, push yourself, push yourself, push yourself, and don't cheat. Don't

00:31:13.620 try to take the easy route because it will come back and bite you. And again, the book is full of

00:31:17.920 examples of that where I pulled it back and said, hey, you don't have to be a ranger to be able to

00:31:22.460 do this. You just have to be willing to go out there and be a little bit uncomfortable every once

00:31:26.180 in a while. You don't have to go to ranger school to be uncomfortable, but you can be uncomfortable

00:31:29.480 every once in a while because it's going to help you learn and it's going to help you be able to

00:31:33.740 accept when there is uncomfortabilities in your job that you can't control. And I love how we were

00:31:39.440 able to put that in there like that. And I guess I was smarter than what I thought I was. I don't

00:31:44.580 know how it happened. Well, you're pretty modest with that stuff because obviously you've got some

00:31:49.260 great stuff in here for sure. Thanks, sir. I appreciate it. Thanks, Ryan. I do appreciate that,

00:31:53.440 brother. One of the things you talk a lot about is developing a mission. And I know as I spent a

00:31:58.100 little time in the military, one of the things that's very difficult to see is when we get into

00:32:01.600 engagements where we don't really have a clear and articulate mission or a definition of what

00:32:05.900 success would even look like, how does a man who might feel maybe even a little bit lost or just

00:32:11.000 maintaining the status quo develop a mission in his own life? Well, and that goes into the battle

00:32:16.220 plan too as well. You're having that least little, that battle plan you have. Again, granted, it's going

00:32:20.780 to deviate from it a bit as you move forks. It always does. But yeah, you do need to set that end goal.

00:32:25.800 But what people have a problem with is when they got that end goal, it seems so far away that

00:32:31.520 they don't think they can grab it. They don't think they can ever make it to it. So then you

00:32:34.520 set in and people have heard this before too. So I'm not reinventing the wheel here. You set those

00:32:38.620 little goals. Okay. What do I need to do next? My goal when I got, and people don't notice it's in

00:32:43.760 the book. I got booted out of the military. The first time I was in, I got in trouble and I got out.

00:32:47.640 Luckily I got an honorable discharge, but I had to fight my way to get back in. My final goal to get

00:32:52.500 back when I got out was I got to get back in. My dad said, always finish what you started.

00:32:57.040 Roger that. I'm got to fit. And so what I would do, that goal seems so far away.

00:33:02.140 So I set the little goals. All right. Well, what can I do next is to continue to stay positive

00:33:07.000 and continue to keep bettering myself. I'll go take the GRE, the graduate records examination.

00:33:11.580 So I did. All right. I did that. What do I do next? You know what? Let's get my master's degree.

00:33:16.020 It's something, it may not be military, but I'm bettering myself. I'm gaining confidence.

00:33:19.540 So I went and got my master's degree. And during that timeframe, every day I was like, okay,

00:33:23.520 I know I need to, I'm going to be able to get back in. I'm not going to let this stop

00:33:26.680 me. I'm going to be physically ready this time. Cause I know what's coming at me, which

00:33:30.700 I'm very lucky. Cause I going in the second time, I knew what kind of physical standards

00:33:34.100 that they held. Sure. So every day I would, I would train, I went and bought a old rucksack

00:33:39.260 from an army surplus store and filled it up with 50 pounds. And every Friday I do my ruck

00:33:43.180 marches on my own, you know, as a civilian, I work out all the time and you'd be surprised

00:33:48.080 people out there, how much just being physically fit just improves your confidence and your

00:33:52.720 mental state. And it did. I started to get extremely strong and physically fit, but it

00:33:58.040 also was sacrifice. I'd have to sacrifice time out with the, I know I was back in college,

00:34:03.800 sacrificing time back out and doing what college kids do. I was still college age. I was only

00:34:07.840 27 and I wasn't really that old for being a graduate student, but I would sacrifice and

00:34:13.180 I'd go to the gym or I'd read, I'd study more about weapons systems. I'd study a little

00:34:17.420 bit more about what my job was and it's those little goals. So as time grew on and I got

00:34:23.040 closer to actually getting back into the military, which I had to wait two years when I got there,

00:34:27.940 I was ready. I was physically and mentally ready. And it also, all those little things

00:34:32.160 I did to accomplish that, to get up when the Sergeant major that I went to apply, when

00:34:35.960 I went back in, I said, I want to go back into the military. What do I need to do? The first

00:34:39.600 question the Sergeant major asked me that, cause I had to do this huge, huge board.

00:34:44.420 It was kind of intimidating. He said, what have you been doing the last two years?

00:34:48.680 I could tell him and he saw that I had been improving myself. So it was like, well, this

00:34:53.540 guy has been sitting just dilly dally and he's actually really motivated. He's been improving

00:34:58.140 himself. He really wants this. I really think that's what got me back because I had to get

00:35:01.680 a waiver to get back in. That's what got me to waiver is because this Sergeant major and

00:35:06.240 the first sergeant said, Hey, Holy crap, look what this kid's been doing. And he got his graduate

00:35:10.180 degree. Well, this is a no brainer. I think if I would have sat on my ass and felt sorry

00:35:14.400 for myself and did it, I don't think it would have. I don't think it would have. I, I, and

00:35:18.180 again, I, you, you never know, but the chances of me getting back in probably would have lessened.

00:35:23.080 And that's why I tell guys, just, you see that long goal over there. See so far hard.

00:35:27.440 It's looks so hard to reach. So set those little goals and just keep working at them every day,

00:35:32.320 working at them. And then that becomes your battle rhythm too. It just becomes natural.

00:35:36.360 It came to where Fridays, if I didn't do a rope march on Fridays as a civilian, I felt like

00:35:40.720 I was missing something in my life because it just became so accustomed to it. If I didn't do

00:35:44.880 my studies at a certain time, then it just felt that I needed to get it done. Now you're not always

00:35:49.560 going to be able to do that, you know, but at least that gets into your battle rhythm where you now

00:35:53.360 know, here's my responsibilities. This is what I need to do. All right, let's go get it done.

00:35:57.760 Don't overwhelm yourself with it. You don't need to go out and work out for four hours, maybe do an hour

00:36:02.160 every other day or something like that. Just do it. So you're comfortable, but you're continually doing it.

00:36:06.740 And every day you'll improve a little bit more. And every day you maybe even do a little bit more.

00:36:11.100 That's all it is. It's so simple. And everybody knows this. It's just sometimes you'd rather just

00:36:16.240 sit there and watch TV. And even though you have responsibilities and sometimes you have to force

00:36:21.000 yourself out, do the hard, right, be uncomfortable, force yourself to get that thing done. And every

00:36:26.320 once in a while, Ryan, I do want to tell people too, though, sometimes there is a day you got to take

00:36:29.780 it off. Take that day. God day of rest too. Some days you do have to feel your body and your mind.

00:36:34.880 You're like, you know what? I really need to relax today. And it's okay to do that too. You just

00:36:39.420 don't want to make that a habit. But it's so easy. And I hope people can use my experiences of failing

00:36:46.000 to learn that you can still succeed as long as you continue to drive and you continue the bottom line

00:36:52.320 and the bases. Always move forward. Never stop. Don't let those obstacles stop you. You go through it,

00:36:57.360 you go around it, you go over it like a ranger, but you just always go forward. And you will succeed.

00:37:01.780 You just don't expect it to know the exact time. Just keep moving forward.

00:37:07.240 Yeah. And I think people will learn from it because if I can compliment you, you've had the courage

00:37:11.600 and you've sacrificed a lot on your end to share a story that needed to be shared. So I certainly

00:37:16.380 appreciate it. I know the guys listening do as well. Thanks, brother. And I didn't say at the

00:37:20.540 beginning of the show, and I'm sorry, I forgot, but I always say it to a veteran I'm talking to. Thanks.

00:37:24.260 Thanks for your service too, man. I mean, we're brothers. It doesn't matter who we serve if we're

00:37:28.400 always brothers because we broke the same bread and we both have sacrificed.

00:37:31.980 Man, I'm honored. I'm honored. Well, Chris, we're winding down on time. You're a busy man. You're

00:37:35.860 traveling. You're doing so much. I want to be conscious of your time. As we wind down, I want to

00:37:41.560 ask you a couple of questions. And the first one I did give you a heads up a little bit on,

00:37:45.200 and that question is, what does it mean to be a man?

00:37:48.240 To me, when I think of man, and you said, even when you said it that first time, I think of my father

00:37:53.000 right there. He epitomized a man to me. He was respectful. He taught me manners. He taught me

00:37:59.280 how to be chivalrous. He always opened the doors for your lady, for your girlfriend, for your wife.

00:38:04.860 He taught me how to love. He taught me, again, once you start something, you never quit. He showed me

00:38:09.020 integrity. He showed me honor. He showed me courage. Even though he never was in the military,

00:38:13.340 he showed me all those things growing up and that you never quit. You never give up. One of the things I

00:38:18.400 got from, it was so huge growing up, is that you'd be a good father. He was an outstanding. He still is

00:38:23.700 an outstanding father. And I think all those things right there, I just give you one word answer for

00:38:28.560 being a man. Father, honor, integrity, strength, chivalry. You also manners. Yes, sir. No, sirs.

00:38:37.400 Yes, ma'ams. No, ma'ams. And always, always as a man or a woman, if you don't put it that way, 0.96

00:38:42.800 always as a man, you always finish what you start. Always. You never give up.

00:38:48.440 And even if the worst case scenario, if you're moving towards something, whether it's to take

00:38:52.060 care of your family, whether it's to get a new job, whether it's to raise your children right,

00:38:57.420 even if you have setbacks, I have. And I don't condone it, but I've had a divorce. But me and

00:39:02.180 my ex-wife still, because I want to be a good father, because that's what a man does. We still

00:39:07.300 are on good terms, and I still get as much time with my kids when I'm on the road as possible.

00:39:11.840 And I even take them with me sometimes, because that is what means to be a man, is being a good

00:39:15.800 father as well. That's what I got from him the utmost, is how great of a father he was.

00:39:20.120 But all those other things I've said, too, which is, honestly, everybody should live. But in today's

00:39:24.620 society, a lot of that is gone, and it needs to come back. And that starts with teaching your

00:39:30.720 children from the beginning. Like my father taught me, like I teach my children, always,

00:39:35.560 always be respectful. Don't forget your sirs and ma'ams. When sirs and ma'ams go, it seems like,

00:39:40.260 dang, everything in society, the rest is to follow. And we've got to bring that back.

00:39:44.780 And not having so much pride that you can't admit to being wrong. My dad taught me that, too. He says,

00:39:49.840 son, I'm not always right. I'm not always right. I try to be. But be man enough to admit when you're

00:39:55.020 wrong. I remember him saying that so much when I was growing up, because I was wrong a lot.

00:39:58.640 And I wouldn't be wrong, especially in high school. Be man enough to admit that you're wrong, son.

00:40:03.080 And all those things, I wish there was a one-word answer. There's not. But it's honestly,

00:40:07.500 it's what everybody already knows what a man should be. And that is someone with integrity

00:40:12.280 and someone that has immense faith. I'm a Christian. I believe in God. I'm not going to

00:40:18.480 get on here until you all have to believe in God. That's not for me to say. That's for the higher

00:40:23.220 power to say eventually when you meet him. But what I'm going to tell you right now is that you do need

00:40:29.200 to believe in something. And I learned that from my dad. There is something out there. There's a higher

00:40:33.520 power that is taking care of us. And that's part of being a man as well. It is.

00:40:37.500 I'm not politically correct. I'm not going to try to be. People may hate me for that. I don't care.

00:40:41.520 But there is something out there that's taking care of us. And that's part of being a man is

00:40:44.640 accepting that you aren't the end-all be-all and that you are fallible. So yeah, when you said that,

00:40:51.240 that's the first picture that popped in my head was my father. When you said, what's it like to be

00:40:54.420 a man? What does it take? And every time that I hear something like that, when you said it,

00:40:58.740 same thing, my dad's face came to my head.

00:41:00.520 I love it, Chris. I love it. Powerful stuff. I'll make sure we link everything up we talked

00:41:05.040 about in the show notes. I appreciate you. I appreciate the way you show up. And certainly

00:41:09.140 your sacrifice, your sacrifice to this country. Sounds like we didn't always treat you the way

00:41:12.880 you needed to be treated, but it sounds like we've maybe reconciled that to some degree. And

00:41:17.160 man, I just appreciate you taking the time to visit with us and impart some of your wisdom.

00:41:21.400 Thanks a lot, Chris.

00:41:22.040 Thanks, Ryan. Thanks for letting me talk too. I know I manipulated the conversation,

00:41:25.540 monopolized it a bit, but I appreciate it, Ryan. And God bless you, brother. Anytime you want me on,

00:41:30.180 any friend of Yost is a friend of mine, man. So you just let me know.

00:41:33.040 Right on. We'll do it again. Enjoy your trip, safe travels, and we'll talk soon, Chris.

00:41:36.860 All right, brother. Have a good day. God bless you.

00:41:39.860 There it is, guys. My conversation with American hero, Chris Tonto Peranto. In having the opportunity to

00:41:45.360 talk with Chris and getting to know him a bit more, I can tell you that he is the real deal and a man

00:41:50.720 that we can all learn a ton about how to operate in our own lives. He did not mention it in the

00:41:55.320 interview, but if you want to pick up a copy of his book, The Ranger Way, I highly, highly suggest

00:42:00.100 that you do. As of the recording of our interview, I didn't have the chance to read the entire book

00:42:05.220 because it hadn't been released yet, but I did read quite a bit of it this morning. And I can tell

00:42:09.760 you that there is a ton of actionable advice in there for any man who is listening to the show right

00:42:15.700 now. And you can get the link to that book at order of man.com slash one one four. And that's

00:42:21.040 called The Ranger Way. Again, in the meantime, make sure you check out our exclusive brotherhood,

00:42:25.280 the iron council. You're going to get the tools, the guidance, the brotherhood, the resources,

00:42:29.060 the accountability, everything to help you set the benchmark and the framework for what you are

00:42:35.340 going to need to do in your life in order to improve in your health and your business and your

00:42:40.800 relationships and just yourself, your overall life. So if you are interested in learning more about

00:42:45.380 what we're up to and joining us inside the iron council, you can do so at order of man.com

00:42:49.880 slash iron council guys. I will look forward to talk with you on Friday for our Friday field notes,

00:42:55.240 but until then take action and become the man you are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the

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Order of Man - May 23, 2017

114： The Ranger Way ｜ Kris "Tanto" Paronto

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Order of Man - May 23, 2017

114： The Ranger Way ｜ Kris &#x22;Tanto&#x22; Paronto

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114： The Ranger Way ｜ Kris "Tanto" Paronto