Order of Man - 124： Starting Strength

00:00:00.000 There are a lot of tasks that we're called to do as men. Among other things, your physical

00:00:03.740 strength will make the difference between your ability to accomplish those tasks or not. My

00:00:08.380 guest today is Matt Reynolds, the founder of Starting Strength Online Coaching and a man

00:00:12.640 who has nearly 20 years of experience competing in strength sports and coaching barbell-based

00:00:17.940 strength and conditioning. He has not only created one of the premier online coaching

00:00:22.180 services on the planet, he is also my personal strength coach. Today, he's here to share why

00:00:27.180 all men should consider adding barbell training to their routine, the core lifts we should

00:00:31.740 work on improving, how strength training improves mental toughness, and how to get started on

00:00:36.880 your own journey to building more strength. You're a man of action. You live life to the

00:00:41.200 fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you

00:00:46.300 get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient,

00:00:52.700 strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become. At the end

00:00:58.960 of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:03.980 Men, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am the host and the founder of

00:01:08.240 this podcast, The Order of Man. I want to welcome you today. Whether you're new to the show or an

00:01:14.200 Order of Man veteran, you are in the right place if you're working on becoming a better man in every

00:01:19.460 facet of life. A lot of people ask me what that even means. What does it mean to be a better man?

00:01:25.460 And at the end of the day, I want you to have more in your life, deeper relationships with the people

00:01:31.100 you care about, a thriving business or an expanding career, strength and health that you deserve,

00:01:36.360 which is what we're going to be talking about today, more money in your bank account, growing

00:01:39.940 life experiences, and the quiet confidence that you're living life the way that it is meant to be

00:01:45.420 lived. So in order to help you do that, I interview successful men. I ask them great questions,

00:01:50.480 and then we deliver our conversations to you. Today is no different. This is usually where I'd

00:01:55.020 get into a couple of announcements. I don't have a lot today as we have sold out our first ever

00:01:59.560 live meetup. And if you are coming to that, I am really looking forward to meeting you. And

00:02:04.680 we don't yet have the dates for the next uprising experience. We will shortly. So be on the lookout for

00:02:10.960 that. So that said, let me just give you two quick resources, and then we'll get into the

00:02:14.820 conversation. First, our closed Order of Men Facebook group with over 35,000 men. And you

00:02:20.700 can access that at facebook.com slash groups slash Order of Men. And second, our exclusive

00:02:25.820 brotherhood, The Iron Council, which you can learn more about at orderofmen.com slash iron

00:02:31.360 council. All right, guys, enough with the delays. My guest today, like I mentioned before, is Matt

00:02:36.600 Reynolds. He has nearly 20 years of experience competing in strength sports and coaching barbell

00:02:41.320 based strength and conditioning. The guy first totaled elite in powerlifting in 2004. He won

00:02:47.660 his professional status in the sports of strongman in 2006. And he founded one of the strongest and

00:02:53.700 largest pure strength gyms in the country, strong gym, which was named powerlifting watch gym of the

00:02:59.080 year for 2013 and 2014. He holds his starting strength certification and has traveled throughout the

00:03:06.680 country serving as a staff coach with Mark Ripito, which I know a lot of you guys are familiar

00:03:10.700 with for starting strength seminars. But rather than talk about the rest of his accomplishments,

00:03:15.900 which are many, I think the best compliment I can pay the man is that he is a great coach. And I've

00:03:21.600 worked with a lot of different coaches. I know from experience that he is a great coach because he's

00:03:26.140 been coaching me for the past two months. And I can tell you that I have gotten a lot stronger in a

00:03:31.240 very, very short period of time. And again, that's the best compliment and testament I can give.

00:03:35.960 So without further delay, let's dig into the conversation with my strength coach, Mr. Matt

00:03:40.520 Reynolds. Matt, what's going on, brother? Thanks for joining me on the show today.

00:03:45.200 Hey, Ryan. Thanks for having me on the show, man. I'm excited to be here.

00:03:47.840 So I just learned we're pretty well connected with Jordan Harbinger, Brett McKay, Andy Priscilla,

00:03:53.020 Joe DeSena, like all these guys that I know, you know, so it makes sense that we're having this

00:03:56.260 conversation, man. Yeah. I seem to find this on these podcasts. We all kind of run around in the same

00:04:00.580 circles, right? That's kind of the way it works. So yeah, I trained Brett McKay and Jordan

00:04:04.440 Harbinger and I've known Andy Frazella since, uh, well before the years before he was the MF CEO

00:04:09.920 in town and same start in business there. So yeah. Right on. Cool, man. I'm looking forward

00:04:15.260 to this discussion because this is something I think I'm going to benefit from just as much,

00:04:18.880 if not more than anybody who might be listening. The first question that I want to ask you as we

00:04:23.360 lead this thing off is why do you feel barbell training is so valuable as opposed to, and maybe

00:04:29.280 not opposed to, but, uh, compared to conditioning or dumbbell training or free weights or whatever

00:04:35.300 it may be. I'm really curious what you have to say about that. I think it really comes back to two

00:04:38.860 things. One barbell training gives you the most bang for your buck. It's that, it's that simple in a,

00:04:43.960 in a world where my primary demographic of client really would be the type of guys would be to listen

00:04:49.480 to this podcast. They're 30 years old to 50 years old, kind of upper middle class, executive,

00:04:54.680 upper class, executive guys. They don't have a ton of time. They can't train five, six, seven,

00:05:00.100 eight hours a week. And so barbell training gets you the best bang for your buck. So sort of a

00:05:06.080 greatest return on investment for the most minimum effective dose. And so I love barbell training that

00:05:11.540 way. But the, the other piece of it is this, if you think about every possible physical attribute

00:05:17.560 you can have, um, strength being one of those speed, agility, coordination, uh, balance,

00:05:24.580 accuracy, all those sorts of things that even CrossFit sort of defines as the 10 basic physical

00:05:28.760 abilities. Strength is the only one that makes all of the other ones better. So for example,

00:05:33.880 you know, we'll, we'll get overweight and a big overweight guy will come in and we'll teach him

00:05:37.460 how to squat and we'll teach him how to squat with a full range of motion and his mobility will get

00:05:41.600 better, especially for the first several months because the guy's never done a full range of motion

00:05:45.580 squat. But this isn't a two way street. If the same guy didn't do strength training and went and

00:05:50.640 joined a yoga class, he would certainly get more mobility, but he would not get any stronger.

00:05:55.660 And so again, for an absolute beginner or a novice, all of those things get better by simply strength

00:06:02.200 training using the barbell lifts. And we think the barbell lifts are better than other things because

00:06:05.620 the barbell lifts are, are very easily incrementally loaded. One of the problems you have with say body

00:06:12.220 weight exercises and we're not antibody weight exercise. We use things like pull-ups and dips

00:06:16.460 and whatnot as accessory movements, but you get good at those relatively quickly. And then what

00:06:21.600 are you going to do? It's very hard to incrementally load a pull-up. I mean, at best, you've got to put

00:06:26.880 a, you know, a dip belt on or a pull-up belt on and you add little plates at a time and you get heavier

00:06:31.840 and heavier. And it's, it's just far more difficult than adding two and a half pounds to a barbell.

00:06:36.940 Right. And so for us, it's really comes back to biggest bang for your buck. That's why we love it.

00:06:41.180 Yeah. I mean, it sounds like the ease and efficiency of barbell training over anything

00:06:44.300 else is just that much more, like you said, I mean, we're busy. We've got so much to do. I know

00:06:47.960 for me, as I've done CrossFit and we talked a little bit about that, even when we have strength

00:06:52.780 days, I know that also is a conditioning component. So I can see how it crosses over to these other

00:06:58.040 elements of, of health as well. You know, when you look at the Olympic lifts, things like

00:07:01.540 cleans and snatches. If you have a guy that deadlifts 600 pounds, even if he doesn't work

00:07:06.940 on his clean and snatch very much, he's going to be able to clean far more than the average person

00:07:10.660 just because he's so strong. And so if I work on the skill, say like a clean or, or snatch or both

00:07:17.580 while I'm getting stronger, uh, that working on the skill is what we consider practice. It's the

00:07:22.540 same thing as throwing a baseball from a pitcher, throwing a shot put or, or whatever. I, I'm not

00:07:26.760 going to stop doing the skill. I'm not going to stop practicing the skill, but at the same time,

00:07:30.680 I'm going to really push to, to get generally stronger from squats and deadlifts and bench

00:07:35.060 presses and presses those, those big kind of major four lifts. Um, what's going to happen

00:07:39.560 is the skill is going to get better because the motor pattern is going to continue to develop

00:07:43.680 so that as I get stronger and bigger and more muscle mass, the motor pattern, it doesn't

00:07:48.340 get screwed up because I continue to practice the motor pattern. But the training is the, is

00:07:53.100 the squats and the deadlifts and the heavy lifting with the barbell. So it works really

00:07:56.420 well. The motor pattern I think is hard too, because a lot of the times you're not

00:08:00.100 getting instantaneous feedback. And for me, for example, without having a very, I won't

00:08:07.040 say it's not that great of form. I imagine I'm really anxious to start working with you

00:08:11.460 about this, but it would be easier for me to lift more weight with improper form right

00:08:17.680 now than it probably would be to lift with proper form just because I don't have those

00:08:22.880 muscles developed. Is that right? Or am I misunderstanding that? Yeah, that, that makes sense, especially

00:08:27.320 for a beginner. One of the things you want to think about is, you know, a lot of people

00:08:30.380 will develop what we call form creep, which is they, as they, as they move along, maybe

00:08:34.960 they learn from a coach early on in their training. And then, uh, for whatever reason,

00:08:38.520 they don't continue to train with that coach. And so they continue to get relatively stronger,

00:08:42.100 but they're not focusing on their form. And so they let this form creep come in. It's

00:08:45.200 the need to have a good coach. And what will happen is, is that they, they will, they

00:08:49.600 will lift in a way that is not optimal, but they can still lift more in a suboptimal

00:08:53.700 way than they could with correct form. However, that the ceiling for lifting with incorrect

00:08:59.500 form is far lower than the ceiling for lifting with perfect form. And so usually when we get

00:09:04.040 a client, we'll, we'll back their weight off just a bit. We'll perfect form first, and

00:09:08.140 then we'll go up just a little bit at a time while perfecting or keeping that form perfect.

00:09:12.920 And, and even, even making the motor pattern better and more efficient. I mean, that's, if

00:09:16.820 you see somebody, you interviewed Chris Duffin a while back as a unbelievable power lifter.

00:09:20.840 If you watch him, his, if he deadlifts, the guy deadlifts up around a thousand pounds,

00:09:25.840 his, his deadlifts at 135 look exactly like his deadlifts at a thousand pounds.

00:09:31.140 Interesting. Yeah. And that's because his motor pattern is, is perfect. I mean,

00:09:34.000 the guy has so efficient at the lifts. And so that's what we're trying to do with our

00:09:36.980 clients is develop this very perfect, very clean motor parents. Also one of the problems

00:09:41.040 that we have, man, CrossFit has done some tremendous things for the strength community

00:09:44.620 and for the fitness community in general. But one of my issues with CrossFit is that they tend

00:09:48.640 to force middle-aged business executives and soccer moms into doing high rep conditioning with

00:09:55.300 the barbell lifts. And so what you see when you see, you know, 30 cleans for time or 30 snatches for

00:10:00.260 time, or these sort of Olympic lifts in, in the Metcon wads is that you see a lot of form fall apart.

00:10:06.020 Yeah. And so I don't have any problem with Metcons in general. I would just rather them to be low

00:10:10.460 skill and low impact, especially for non-competitive CrossFitters, and then focus on strength

00:10:17.300 training for the things that are high skill movements like snatches and cleans and squats

00:10:21.680 and things like that. I know this is really hard, especially for a man like myself who at times

00:10:26.960 tends to be ego driven. Like I'd rather put the big numbers on the board than do it correctly and put

00:10:31.440 up a lower number. So I know it can be difficult, but we're talking about the long-term gain here as

00:10:37.180 opposed to the short-term, Hey, I get to put up a big number on the board. So I can see how valuable

00:10:41.700 that would be. You talked a little bit about some of these core movements. I think everybody's

00:10:45.940 probably familiar with, you know, the deadlift and the, and the squat and the bench. Are there

00:10:49.740 other core movements that we should consider adding or at least starting with? Yeah. I mean,

00:10:53.940 we, we like the heavy presses too. So the bench, I mean, everybody bench presses, whether we want

00:10:58.120 them to or not. Right. That's what guys do. They've been, that's what they know. Rarely does someone

00:11:01.660 walk up to you and say, how much do you deadlift? Although I, it's a far cooler question.

00:11:05.320 So yeah, probably more significant. I imagine as well as the deadlift, right?

00:11:08.380 Sure. I mean, is there anything that we're not crazy about the term functional movement,

00:11:12.100 but is there anything more functional than just picking heavy weight up off the floor? I mean,

00:11:15.360 that's, that's, uh, you know, back to our roots of humanity. And so, but yeah, we, we love, uh,

00:11:20.220 we love the heavy presses as well. So what we call the press and what most, most of your listeners

00:11:24.080 would understand is the military press, just a strict overhead press out of the wreck. We do that

00:11:29.080 as well. And the bench press and, and the, and then of course the cleans and snatches for more

00:11:33.380 intermediate, uh, lifters are fine and younger lifters. We, we wouldn't tend to have, uh, guys over

00:11:38.520 probably 45 clean or snatch unless they just specifically wanted to. Why is that? Because

00:11:43.140 you can't develop power when you're old. That's really what it comes down to power. It's hard to

00:11:46.960 develop power, impossible really to develop power. So in the ages that power can still develop. And

00:11:51.420 if you think about power in the most simple sort of way, power is just strength expressed quickly.

00:11:56.720 Yeah. I can't really, I can't really get quicker when I'm older. I can only get stronger. And so the

00:12:03.020 strength expressed quickly only makes the strength portion better for older guys. That's really

00:12:07.460 you need strength because you need the explosion getting the bar over your head. If I understand

00:12:10.660 correctly. Yeah. That's what's, you know, we see this all the time where we see, um, you know,

00:12:14.100 in a, in a high school football class, you, you'll see, uh, you know, the eighth graders come in and

00:12:18.280 the second semester and they're getting ready for high school football and the coach thinks they

00:12:20.960 need to clean in eighth grade. Guys can't clean 75 or 85 pounds. Right. There's just no reason for

00:12:26.620 them to clean 75 or 85 pounds until they get up to deadlift, you know, 275. And they, and with,

00:12:31.460 with our programming, they can deadlift 275 and usually two months or so. It just doesn't take very long.

00:12:36.940 And then certainly at that point you can incorporate the clean. And so, uh, and for

00:12:40.900 an eighth grader or, or 17 year old kid or 21 or your listeners that are 25, they definitely

00:12:46.160 can do things like the power clean. Those are big lists. So there's a reason we come up with

00:12:49.460 these lists. Let me, I'll, I'll do it real quick. So we look at the list. We know the lists

00:12:53.380 have the best impact or the biggest bang for our buck are the lifts that number one use the

00:12:59.140 most muscle mass. So the most muscle mass moves on an individual lift is a, is a major criteria.

00:13:04.680 So things like squats are better than things like leg, leg press, because while the legs

00:13:10.620 still bend the leg press, the only thing that is basically loaded on a leg press are the,

00:13:16.180 is the body from the hips to the end of the feet. But on a spot, the body is loaded from

00:13:20.780 the top of the shoulders to the bottom of the foot. So you're engaging more of your body.

00:13:25.800 Absolutely. So that's, that's one criteria. The second criteria is using the most weight

00:13:29.740 possible. And that's easy way to think about this is, is it going to be more beneficial for

00:13:33.080 you to squat, say with good form, 315 pounds, or is it better for you to do a hundred air squats?

00:13:39.020 And I think most people understand that the weight is the thing that's going to continue

00:13:42.460 to drive adaptation. And the third one is we want to move that weight for the greatest

00:13:47.400 effective range of motion. So this is why we do full squats or squats just below parallel

00:13:52.460 and not quarter squats. And we, why we also don't do ass to ankle squats, because ass to ankle

00:13:58.400 squats, especially for men mean that you are, you are going to actually reduce some of the muscle

00:14:03.780 use because you're going to have to relax your hamstrings or worse, relax your low back to get

00:14:08.880 into that deep squat position. So we start returns, right? That's exactly right. It's a law of diminishing

00:14:14.280 returns. And so for us, the greatest effective range of motion for a squat is going to be a squat

00:14:18.360 that's performed just below parallel. So if I use those three criteria of, of most muscle mass,

00:14:23.820 most weight, greatest effective range of motion, I take all of these infinite number of exercises

00:14:28.680 that I could possibly do when I walk into a gym, especially a globo type gym with all of the

00:14:33.060 machines and whatnot. And it pairs it down to really four primary exercises and two power exercises.

00:14:39.780 And that again is the squat, the deadlift, the bench press and the press, and then the clean and

00:14:43.820 the snatch. And those, that's really those six exercises. Um, and if you're over 40, just the four

00:14:49.480 primary strength exercises should make up 90% of everything you do forever. Uh, and the other

00:14:55.560 stuff is not nearly as important. So you talk about lifting heavy versus going for reps. And I can

00:15:01.580 certainly understand that because the odds of me having to lift a car hood off my wife in a car

00:15:07.180 accident versus doing a hundred air squats makes sense. But is there a reason why or how the muscles

00:15:13.060 respond that a hundred air squats or even a lot of reps with low weight actually makes sense?

00:15:18.720 Uh, probably not. Okay. Yeah, no, fair enough. I'm trying to figure this stuff out for a competitive

00:15:23.860 crossfitter. Of course. Right. Because that's the actual competitive game. Right. Yeah. So let me

00:15:29.220 just think about it this way. So I, I used to own a crossfit code, a crossfit and would go in there

00:15:33.900 and play around some and do the wads and I've squatted. I'm not a great squatter like Chris

00:15:38.060 Tuffin, but I've squatted over 600 pounds in competition several times. So I'm a strong squatter.

00:15:42.100 I have no problem doing a hundred air squats with the, because I can do a 600 pounds. But the problem is,

00:15:47.820 is the guy that does a hundred air squats all the time, probably can't squat to 25 and that's a

00:15:53.660 problem. Yeah. So you won't be doing Murph then coming up next week. It sounds like I have done

00:15:58.480 Murph once before. That's a Murph is a guaranteed way to, uh, to make yourself sore for about two and

00:16:03.520 a half weeks and screw up your training real bad. So, but it's for a good cause. And you know,

00:16:08.960 Michael Murphy was a hell of a soldier. And so it's a, I'm certainly if guys want to do it,

00:16:12.600 that's fine. Let them, let them do it. I'm going to go back to something you said,

00:16:15.220 you talked about the term functional movement and you said you did not like that from my

00:16:18.960 perspective, the way I understand this. So help me if I'm wrong is transferring your strength to

00:16:25.220 the ability to operate in everyday life. Am I misunderstanding that? And maybe no, that's

00:16:29.900 definition of it. Yeah. And if that's, if that's the way you define it, that'd be,

00:16:32.880 that'd be perfectly fine. So then the question is, what do you do to get that adaptation? If that's

00:16:37.880 the adaptation you want to be prepared for everyday life, do we need to run around in the woods with our

00:16:43.060 shoes off barefooted or do we, I mean, what, you know, what are the things that we do that's going

00:16:47.340 to give us the best return on that investment? And for us, it's heavy strength training is going

00:16:52.220 to be the thing that at least for the first, say six months is going to drive that adaptation

00:16:57.260 better than anything else. It's going to make us faster. It's going to make our vertical jump go up,

00:17:02.160 not tremendously because most of that is genetic, but if you take an endurance cyclist and he squats

00:17:06.700 a hundred pounds, as some endurance cyclists will do, and we get him off the bike and we're

00:17:11.480 basically rather than having him ride the bike six days a week, we have him ride the bike two days a

00:17:14.960 week. And in a month we increase his squat from 100 pounds to 200 pounds, which is not that difficult

00:17:21.060 to do, certainly in six weeks. Then now every time he is pushing on the pedals, if originally the pedal

00:17:28.060 stroke was, was 20% of his max leg strength, now it's only 10%, which means he can ride in a more

00:17:34.680 powerful gear, which means he can go faster or he can go longer. So this, this stuff works even with

00:17:40.360 endurance athletes. We do this all the time. I don't need to make an endurance cyclist squat

00:17:45.260 600 pounds, but if he only squats a hundred pounds, the guy should probably squat 300 or 275. That's not

00:17:53.040 that hard to do. We have tons and tons of women that we coach that squat 300 pounds. And I'm not

00:17:57.800 talking about big bodybuilder girls. I'm talking about 45 year old soccer moms who take their kids

00:18:02.860 to school and go to soccer class and go to hot yoga and, and don't eat a ton of protein and they can

00:18:08.100 still squat 300 pounds. So if your listeners are out there going, man, I can't squat 300 pounds,

00:18:11.520 but look, every single normal female that we have can squat 300 pounds after, after a year or so of

00:18:18.460 training with us. Um, it's just not that difficult and they don't, you know, they don't become big

00:18:22.220 muscular behemoths. They look great. Their body responded the way they wanted them to respond.

00:18:26.340 They get more tone and less fat and all of those sorts of things they wanted. And so now they're more

00:18:31.060 functionally fit to be able to conquer life's normal things, like pick up your kids and go play

00:18:36.820 soccer on the soccer field. And the sort of things that we want to do as men as well with our, with

00:18:41.180 our kids and our families, uh, strength training is going to get you there faster than anything else

00:18:45.160 will. Yeah, that makes sense. I know for me, one of the biggest things was being able to, and I can do

00:18:49.480 this right now is outlast my children on the trampoline, which is awesome. I love that. These

00:18:53.700 kids, that's an intense exercise. We've got one of those too, man. It's crazy. You know, 30 minutes on a

00:18:58.480 trampoline. That's an intense cardio session for sure. Yeah. And then we've got a pool too. Same sort of

00:19:02.980 thing. My kids just swim all day and it's, it's a lot more fun to sit in the floaty and drink a

00:19:07.540 margarita, but you know, yeah, you got to do, right. Yeah. Being able to keep up with your kids.

00:19:11.500 That stuff is important. And then we look at longevity too, man. We've got a lot of,

00:19:14.700 a lot of guys are like in their seventies and this stuff matters because it keeps them out of nursing

00:19:19.700 homes. And so, you know, you think about it, the fitness industry is rife with just kind of

00:19:23.880 a shallow world that's based on aesthetics, which we can't stand. We train for performance first and

00:19:29.080 aesthetics as a by-product of that performance. But if you're, if you're a 65, 70 year old man

00:19:33.860 and you're having trouble getting in and out of your car, or you're having trouble getting on and

00:19:37.600 off the toilet, this stuff really matters. I mean, it allows you to hold your independence.

00:19:42.140 I want to be able to walk, not just my daughters down the aisle at their wedding, but I want to walk

00:19:46.400 my grandkids down the aisle. And strength is the best thing I can do to invest in that sort of

00:19:50.720 future. I don't want to feel, I don't want to have a 15, 20 year decline in health and then die

00:19:57.060 having looked back and say, man, the last 20 of my years were brutal. I just want to live, you know,

00:20:02.380 just have an incredible high quality of life and then just die one day. That's, that's what I want.

00:20:07.360 Right. Sure. Yeah. Die in your sleep, right? That's right. I just want to die in my sleep.

00:20:11.340 I don't want to die because I wasted away with some wasting away disease. And you, you know,

00:20:15.660 you watch somebody, they break their hip and then they lay in bed and they get pneumonia. And it's

00:20:19.160 just a, man, it's a terribly painful place. And they wouldn't have had to do that had they focused

00:20:23.820 on strength. Now, this makes sense. I mean, you're talking about quality of life,

00:20:26.640 but in addition to quality of life, there's also the cost of healthcare and rising health costs.

00:20:32.720 And what's really funny is I have people that say, oh, you shouldn't train too hard because

00:20:35.860 you might injure yourself. I'm like, what's the greater risk? Me injuring myself or me not doing

00:20:41.200 anything and developing diabetes or dying early. And that's the risk I'm worried about.

00:20:46.040 Yeah. Probably 90% of your listeners today have a herniated disc in their back. So probably 50% of

00:20:52.000 those guys know about it and 50% don't, but most people over 30 have a herniated disc in their

00:20:56.900 back. And the conventional medical wisdom is, well, don't do anything. Don't do anything on

00:21:01.320 your back. Don't tax your back. So what happens is your back just continues to get weaker and more

00:21:06.240 vulnerable to injury. But instead we could lift with absolutely perfect form and we could strengthen

00:21:12.440 the muscles around the spine. Those, those erector muscles and the psoas and the muscles of the trunk

00:21:17.400 and the muscles of the hip. Then what we'll do is that musculature will grow and we'll see

00:21:22.600 hypertrophy there and they'll become stronger and denser and they'll protect the musculoskeletal

00:21:27.620 system. And so that you are far less vulnerable to injury. And so that's, you know, we look at

00:21:32.780 injuries a little different too. We're, we're pretty aggressive with the way we rehab our injuries.

00:21:36.600 We rehab disc problems that way, but we also rehab torn muscles that way that nothing gets better

00:21:41.940 when you sit on it and do nothing. We're going to push pretty hard to get rehabbed.

00:21:45.040 Interesting.

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00:22:52.960 get back to the conversation with Matt. Let's talk about the other perspective or taking this too far

00:22:58.740 because I think there is an element I'm assuming of overtraining. What does that look like? And how

00:23:03.600 do you know you've reached that point? Maybe the easiest way to think about this, if you think about

00:23:06.640 training kind of on a pendulum, when most people come to us, they are weak and unhealthy and the

00:23:12.320 pendulum is way over on the left side, weak and unhealthy. And after they've trained with us for

00:23:17.440 say six months or a year, 18 months, somewhere in there, we get them strong and healthy. And then

00:23:23.040 they have to make a decision at strong and healthy. And that is, do you want to keep pushing the

00:23:27.340 strength? Do you want to become competitive? Do you want to compete in powerlifting meets? Do you want

00:23:30.680 to compete in Olympic weightlifting? Do you want to compete in CrossFit? Do you want to compete in these

00:23:34.240 things? At which point the pendulum starts to swing towards the right side, which is really strong,

00:23:40.420 but not quite as healthy, or at least in a point where you are risking injury because it is now

00:23:44.840 competitive. Yeah. Because we've seen, I mean, I've seen guys who just take this to the extreme,

00:23:48.840 whether it's the way that they look or their inability to function in everyday life. And yeah,

00:23:53.060 there's that element of competition, but it's like, man, what's your standard of living at this point?

00:23:56.980 That's exactly right. So the thing that most of your listeners need to understand is they're not

00:24:01.400 going to wake up one day and be that they're not going to wake up one day. I get this all the time

00:24:04.860 where guys hire me and they'll say, man, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to be a big bulky

00:24:08.500 powerlifter. You're like, don't worry about it. You're not, you're not, you're not running that

00:24:12.140 risk right now. Correct. It doesn't happen accidentally. And so usually I, I I'm happy to

00:24:16.520 have that talk with my clients. Matter of fact, I had that talk with, with Brett McKay just two weeks

00:24:20.720 ago. And I said, okay, so Brett McKay went and did his first powerlifting meet and he deadlifted 533 pounds and

00:24:26.220 he squats, uh, almost four 50 at this point. So he's a nice, strong guy looks good. It's super

00:24:31.480 healthy. Everything's awesome. And I said, what do you want to do? And he said, I think I want to

00:24:34.740 keep getting stronger because that's, because that's what he wanted. And so, uh, I said, Hey,

00:24:38.520 you want to just maintain strength and go do mud runs with your wife and what, that's totally fine

00:24:42.980 too. This is, this is not my goals. These aren't my goals or your goals. And so you don't have to

00:24:47.880 make that decision on day one. You have to make that decision when you get there and, and you're often a

00:24:51.860 different person by the time you get there. And it, it certainly refines you. I mean, the strength

00:24:55.360 training is an incredibly refining experience. When you, when you have to squat three sets of

00:25:00.100 five, really heavy, the sort of stuff that we prescribe in starting straight three sets of five

00:25:03.880 across. So the same weight, and you've been doing this for three or four months and you go in on

00:25:08.820 Monday and you squat three sets of five. Let's say you squat 300 pounds and it's really, really heavy

00:25:14.320 and you barely get your three sets of five. Well, then you've got to come back Wednesday and you've got

00:25:18.720 to go up to 305 for three sets of five. We keep putting weight on the bar and there's a refining

00:25:23.220 process to that, not just physically, but there's a refining process to that, to that mentally and

00:25:27.760 emotionally and relationally, because, uh, you know, it's, it's this idea of, of, of taking the

00:25:33.320 hardware, the hard way it's, it's voluntary hardship. It's, it's, we find things that are hard that bring

00:25:40.200 us value. So there's value in the work itself. Like certainly it makes us stronger and it makes us

00:25:44.840 physically look better and feel better, but there's actually this intrinsic sort of value that occurs

00:25:49.080 mentally for people who have gone through these very difficult things. And for your listeners that

00:25:53.200 have gone through difficult things that aren't, aren't even things like squats, they'll understand

00:25:56.600 this. The harder things you do, especially when they're voluntary, the more they will refine us.

00:26:01.340 And so this is one of the ways that we refine ourselves as men. And it makes it so that when our

00:26:05.720 jobs are hard or our marriage is harder or raising our kids are hard, it's, it's, we can handle it a

00:26:10.720 little better because we know what hard feels like in the weight room. And we know that we're going to,

00:26:14.940 we're going to fight this and come out on the other side. And so I, I love the refining process of

00:26:18.720 strength training as well. Yeah. I mean, that's makes sense because I know from a day-to-day basis,

00:26:23.100 even like I can tell you without knowing, for example, if I were able to do this, that I didn't

00:26:27.400 go into the gym. Like I can feel that mentally. I can feel that in my mind, I can feel that when I

00:26:32.800 do go to the gym, that I'm, I'm, I'm much sharper, I'm much more engaged. Things don't get to me quite

00:26:38.120 as, as much when I go to the gym every morning. So I can see it a day-to-day basis. And I've told the

00:26:42.900 guys and they're going to get sick of hearing me say, this is three and a half or so years, almost four

00:26:48.020 years ago, I weighed 50 pounds more than I do today. And I started my journey with getting in

00:26:52.720 shape. And that decision has permeated every element of my life. So it's a great place to start. If

00:26:58.540 you're in a bad position, even mentally or emotionally, physically getting in check is a

00:27:03.300 great place to start in my opinion. That's exactly right. And for, for a lot of us, it provides a

00:27:07.420 transition period out of businessman into daddy, husband, right? So for me, I, I train right after

00:27:14.680 work every day. So I try, I get up really early, you know, four 30 and start training and start

00:27:18.460 working around five. So I'm usually done mid afternoon. And then I train and that training

00:27:22.760 is a, is a process for me. That's not just refining me physically, but it's also allowing me to de-stress

00:27:27.940 the things that have occurred throughout the day. So that when the training is over, it's far easier

00:27:33.360 for me to go in and play with my kids. And I've got two daughters and wrestle with them and play in

00:27:36.940 the pool and jump on the trampoline and make dinner with the family and hang out with my wife and

00:27:40.840 actually engage my family and be present rather than sitting there with Netflix playing and, and

00:27:46.560 my mind is somewhere else. And so I love that training provides that transition period for me as

00:27:50.300 well. It's, it's made my family healthier. There's, there's no doubt about it.

00:27:53.760 How do you find this line of nature versus nurture? For example, I don't tend to be great

00:27:59.700 on the lower body stuff like deadlift squats, upper body. I feel like I'm a little bit stronger.

00:28:04.820 When do you throw up your hands and say, I'm just not a good deadlifter versus no, I can,

00:28:08.300 I can work this out. I can get stronger. And how do you find where that line is? If there even is

00:28:12.680 a line? Yeah, that's an excellent question. You know, I've done a ton of podcasts. Nobody's ever

00:28:15.700 asked me that question, but here's, here's the easy answer. It all comes down to anthropometry,

00:28:19.500 which is a word you've probably never heard. And maybe you're so anthropometry, it just means how

00:28:23.720 we're put together. So if you are built to squat, which means you have short femurs and a long torso,

00:28:30.580 you are not built to deadlift. That's, that's actually me. I've got, I've got very short legs,

00:28:36.580 very short inseam, and I've got a long upper body. All right. So you're, so you are built to squat

00:28:42.340 and you're not built to deadlift, but we still have to, and vice versa. If you have long legs

00:28:46.060 and a short torso, you're built to deadlift, but you're not built to squat. That's pretty easy to

00:28:50.140 understand. If you have really long legs, you have to move the barbell a lot farther. That's right.

00:28:54.100 And the same thing kind of occurs with the, with a, say like a bench press and a press. If you have

00:28:58.140 long arms, that's going to help you on the deadlift because the deadlift doesn't have to move as far,

00:29:02.640 but that's going to hurt you on the bench press and the press because it has to move a lot further.

00:29:06.440 And so shorter arms, so this makes sense. Right. So the thing is that we're going to try to focus

00:29:10.940 on is that in general, I'm trying to get general people generally strong. I'm not trying to train

00:29:16.900 competitive bodybuilders or high level competitive powerlifers. I mean, my demographic is Brett

00:29:21.500 McKay and Jordan Harbinger. It's these, it's just normal dudes who just try to be generally strong

00:29:26.160 so that they're better at life. Not somebody who is like a Chris Duffin, who's an international

00:29:31.100 level powerlifers. Certainly we've trained some of those guys, but if that's the case,

00:29:34.860 if I'm just trying to get generally strong, then it doesn't really matter what you're good at and

00:29:37.900 not good at because we're just trying to get you generally strong because of the adaptation we get

00:29:42.620 both strength and physically, but also what we get mentally, emotionally, relationally,

00:29:46.880 spiritually, all those sorts of things from the strength training. So ultimately it doesn't really

00:29:50.880 matter what you're good at and not good at. There's a trade-off. Nobody's good at everything.

00:29:54.740 You can't be because it's based on how you're built.

00:29:57.300 Yeah. I mean, this makes sense. I'm never going to go to the Olympics, nor do I have a desire to. So

00:30:00.560 let's just get strong across all areas and not worry about where your, your specific strengths

00:30:04.560 are. Exactly. Right. Makes sense. So in doing a little bit of research with knowing that you were

00:30:09.460 going to come on the show, I was looking into this and it seems like you distinguish yourself from

00:30:14.480 powerlifting and barbell training is different. Can you explain to me some of the similarities and

00:30:18.680 some of the differences? Sure. So actually it goes back to that three criteria. So that criteria of

00:30:23.740 for general strength training, it's most muscle mass, most weight we could possibly use. And for the

00:30:29.180 greatest effective range of motion, powerlifting leaves out the last one, powerlifting lifts the

00:30:34.640 most weight possible for the least legal range of motion, which means they are going to do everything

00:30:40.940 they can to cut down the range of motion on the squat, the bench press and the deadlift.

00:30:44.300 It's a competitive sport, which is a little bit different than trying to get people generally

00:30:48.520 strong. Everyone who starts, who ends up powerlifting should start doing general strength training.

00:30:54.260 So I'm going to take all of my people and I'm going to generally strength train them and I'm

00:30:57.740 going to make them move the bar, the greatest effective range of motion, not the least. And

00:31:02.040 then once they become competitive powerlifters, if they decide to do that, then we can start

00:31:06.200 to tweak the barbell lifts a little bit to allow them to be more efficient, to move more weight

00:31:10.420 for the actual sport. So the, the rules of the sport dictate how much the barbell has to

00:31:15.540 move. So this is why you see like wide leg, wide stance deadlifts, correct? Yeah. This is why you see

00:31:21.020 sumo deadlift. So when somebody does a sumo deadlift, which is a very wide where your hands

00:31:24.740 are inside your legs that like, like Duffin does that artificially shortens the legs. You think

00:31:30.640 about like, if you're six foot tall, you take a really wide stance. You're no longer six foot

00:31:34.180 tall. You're five foot eight. Right. And you move the bar a little bit less. It's why powerlifters

00:31:38.280 take a great big, huge arch on the bench and a really wide grip on the barbell because the barbell,

00:31:43.000 they want the barbell to move the least amount it can. And so that's really the difference between,

00:31:47.200 between strength training with barbell lifts versus powerlifting. And so, yeah, uh, you know,

00:31:52.240 we, we certainly train both and we love it when our, when our novice trainees become intermediate

00:31:57.860 and advanced lifters and decide to compete, there's certainly nothing wrong with that,

00:32:00.960 but we're not going to bypass the dues that must be paid with reps of five, you know, with sets that

00:32:07.260 are in the five rep range and big, great range of motions on, on their, um, on the lifts. And so it's,

00:32:13.100 it's just going to make you more strong than anything else across the board. And now it's going to

00:32:16.520 build this tremendous foundation of strength so that when it comes time to become a power lifter

00:32:20.220 and shorten those range of motions and start kind of playing the, the little tools of the trade and

00:32:24.580 learning the tricks and tips to shorten range of motion that that foundation has already been laid.

00:32:28.640 So if I understand just to wrap this up a little bit is being good with barbell training and correct

00:32:34.920 range of motion and strength will help you be a better power lifter, but being a better power lifter

00:32:39.760 might not necessarily help you be stronger, have that range of motion.

00:32:43.040 That's absolutely correct. Exactly. So when, when guys are starting training,

00:32:48.680 they're getting into barbell training, they're doing starting strength. What,

00:32:52.160 how quickly can we see and expect results to manifest themselves quick enough that everyone

00:32:58.100 will think they're on steroids when they're not interesting. Okay. It's, it's, I listen,

00:33:02.720 it's crazy. It's a, it's, it's just really simple and it's simple, hard and effective. It's

00:33:07.880 incredibly boring and it works better than anything else. So what, what you do for starting

00:33:11.260 strength is you squat every single workout. You train three days a week, you squat three sets of

00:33:15.260 five, you go up every single time. So in the beginning, maybe you'll go up 10 pounds. So

00:33:19.480 you know, you start pretty conservative. Most guys will probably start at like one 35 or one 55 on

00:33:24.160 the bar. They'll go up 10 pounds of workout for two weeks. And then after two weeks, they'll go to

00:33:28.440 five pound jumps and they just keep riding that out as long as they can. And then if necessary,

00:33:32.380 they'll, they'll get some one and a quarter pound plates. So they only have to go up two and a half

00:33:36.020 pounds. And so they'll squat every workout. They'll alternate their bench press and their

00:33:39.940 press. And they'll go up three sets of five and go up five pounds, every workout there.

00:33:43.080 And they'll deadlift really every session in the beginning as well, and go up five to 10 pounds

00:33:46.660 on those. And so really with somebody that starts, you know, with very average sort of genetics and

00:33:52.960 age where they're squatting somewhere in the one 35 to one 55 range, they're probably deadlifting

00:33:57.400 around one 85, uh, within three months, they're squatting three 40 for three sets of five, three 35,

00:34:04.060 40, three sets of five. They're deadlifting four Oh five for a set of five. And that's,

00:34:08.260 that's just not that it's just not that complicated. I mean, I, you know, personal

00:34:12.440 trainers, which, which we refer to ourselves as coaches, because we kind of hate the personal

00:34:16.320 training industry. You know, I think of the 18 year old kid with the polo on with the

00:34:20.080 BOSU ball under his arm and with the name tag that says trainer. That's, that's not us. I mean,

00:34:24.040 the vast majority of coaches that work for me, I've got, Oh, 10 or 12 of my coaches have PhDs.

00:34:28.760 All of them have master's degrees. So we're not talking about somebody that's gone and taken a

00:34:32.480 group on personal training certificate and got a multiple choice test for a couple hundred bucks,

00:34:36.720 you know? So, so when we, when we work with people, they're able to make progress in a way

00:34:41.740 that, that they didn't think was possible. And it all comes down to just really simple,

00:34:46.820 basic programming, but a, a, a huge emphasis on perfect form. And so for most personal trainers,

00:34:54.540 I think they, they try to confuse their clients in a way that makes them have to continue to hire

00:34:59.560 the personal trainer. And for us, what we try to focus on is we, we're going to coach you to

00:35:03.980 perfection on the form and you're going to figure out the program on the first two days. Cause the

00:35:09.020 program's really simple, but the program works better than anything else. And it comes back to

00:35:13.020 that. Listen, there's value in the hard way. Yes. It is more fun to be random and do 400 different

00:35:18.220 movements and all sorts of things. It just doesn't work as well. And so we're going to do these major

00:35:22.300 lifts. We're going to increase the weight a little bit every single time. And we're going to get

00:35:25.680 brutally, brutally strong. And then once I'm brutally strong, three, four, five months down the road,

00:35:30.700 I can then say, okay, now what do I want to do? Do I want to do mud runs? Do I want to do CrossFit?

00:35:35.220 Do I want to do powerlifting? I can actually focus my goals a little more.

00:35:38.620 I love that you say it's boring because you're right. I think most people, what they're looking

00:35:42.360 for is they're looking for glamorous. They're looking for sexy. They're looking for all the

00:35:46.360 hype that we see. And in all reality, whether it's talking about strength and fitness or a

00:35:50.880 relationship or growing a business or whatever it may be, the right answer is usually the boring

00:35:56.260 mundane. I'm going to do this every single day and I'm going to be relentless. And that's where you're

00:36:00.220 going to experience results. Yeah, that's exactly right. It really comes down to discipline and the

00:36:04.020 people that can, anybody can train on a great day, day where you get up and you feel incredible and

00:36:08.260 nothing hurts. And of course I can train the people that really separate themselves, kind of the wheat

00:36:12.780 from the chaff are the people who get up and train on the days they feel like crap. And so, you know,

00:36:17.500 I call those days blue collar days or you just go to the gym, you punch your time card, you get in,

00:36:22.280 you get your work done, you punch your time card, you get out, you go home. Those are the people

00:36:25.620 that make the best progress. It's, it's all about consistency. It's not about, Oh, I trained when I felt

00:36:30.140 good. Of course you can train when you feel good. Of course you can train when the atmosphere is

00:36:32.900 great. Can you train on August 10th in your garage when it's 114 degrees inside? Can you train on

00:36:39.620 February 3rd when it's negative four? Can you train through the sniffles? Can you train through a cold?

00:36:44.580 Like we train through colds. That's ridiculous to think that you wouldn't train through a cold.

00:36:48.040 We don't train through 104 degree fever. That's crazy. But you know, I don't care if you have a sinus

00:36:52.400 infection. I don't care if you've got diarrhea. Like that's like, we're going to train. That's the deal.

00:36:56.200 Right. And so we train pretty much no matter what. And that, that was really well.

00:37:00.400 Yeah. Andy Frisilla talks about this a lot. He talks about dues paid, right? Get in there,

00:37:04.480 dues paid, do your job, then move on and get on with life. Makes sense. Exactly. Yep.

00:37:09.420 So Matt, we're winding down on time. I do want to address maybe a little bit of an elephant in the

00:37:13.720 room. And I'm sure you've addressed this question over and over again. You're talking about coaching,

00:37:17.260 but you're also talking about doing this online. And most of the time when people think about

00:37:21.260 coaching, they're thinking about immediate instant feedback from a coach who's standing

00:37:25.860 shoulder to shoulder, watching movements. How does this work for you when it comes to online

00:37:30.040 training? Yeah, absolutely. So, so I'm in a business called starting strength online coaching.

00:37:34.220 And, uh, and so that was a big thing that we had to tackle. So for us, coaching is coaching the

00:37:40.420 movements and for online coaching or what the world calls online coaching that almost always is,

00:37:45.760 it's just kind of a, I'm buying a program from somebody for 50 bucks or whatever. They're going to send me

00:37:50.420 a program and it's not coaching. It's actually online programming. So for us, we wanted to make

00:37:55.040 sure that we have the coaching aspect handled. And so there are starting strength certifies coaches.

00:38:00.020 It's the hardest certification to get in the country. They have about a 2% pass rate. I think

00:38:03.960 we've had over 6,000 people go through and, and 121 coaches that that's it. So it's really,

00:38:09.680 really hard to get 121 coaches, 35 of them work for me and they're phenomenal. They're just,

00:38:14.160 all of them are great coaches. So if you have a starting strength coach in your town or,

00:38:18.740 or closely, you, you should look them up and hire them. You've, you find a good coach at

00:38:22.300 starting strength.org and you search your state and you can see if, you know, who's close. But

00:38:26.760 if there isn't somebody close for those of you guys that live in rural areas, you're not in major

00:38:29.740 cities, online coaching is your best, your best next option. And so what we do is we've developed

00:38:34.640 a super simple, clean app that, that sends you your programming on that programming. We have

00:38:40.560 examples on how to perform the lifts. Here's how you perform a squad or how you perform a deadlift,

00:38:45.060 things like that. Here's how much weight, here's your sets and reps. You perform those lifts. And

00:38:49.780 when you perform those lifts, we teach you how to video yourself using your cell phone. So there's

00:38:53.520 a real short, easy video we send you on. Here's a, here's, here are the angles. We want you to video

00:38:58.680 yourself in, you video, your squat, you video, your deadlift, you upload it. And then your coach

00:39:03.620 breaks it down within 24 hours. So just like a football coach would break down the X's and O's of

00:39:08.360 film. We break down film every single day. That's why I get up early. I get up four 30 every morning

00:39:13.380 at five o'clock. I'm breaking down film for my clients every single day so that by the next time

00:39:17.880 you go to the gym, you have already had the previous workout broken down for you so that

00:39:22.120 if you're going to squat again, or if you're going to press again or deadlift again or whatever,

00:39:25.560 then you already have those cues to take into the gym with you to say, okay, my coach reminded me,

00:39:31.220 I was, I was a little bit on my toes on the squat. I've got to get back on the middle of my foot.

00:39:35.140 I got to push my knees out, not let them go forward. I've got to put my eyes here,

00:39:39.020 all of those sorts of things that we do. And so it's really the best of both worlds. And then

00:39:42.900 from a financial perspective, you can't hire a starting strength coach for less than a hundred

00:39:47.000 dollars an hour. They're going to be somewhere between a hundred dollars an hour to $200 an

00:39:50.620 hour. And online coaching runs 199 bucks a month. So it's, it's also pretty cheap. So for,

00:39:55.660 for the cost of hiring a coach for anywhere from one to two hours, you get one for a month. And so

00:40:00.620 it's a man, it's been an incredible business. You know, we're doing exponentially better than we

00:40:05.500 ever thought we would do. And again, people can go to starting strength, online coaching.com to look

00:40:09.280 it up. After you sign up, we'll send you a pretty in-depth questionnaire that you fill out with all

00:40:12.980 your goals and injuries and history and what equipment you have access to and all that sort

00:40:17.220 of stuff. And then, uh, I, I really pour over that questionnaire and assign you to a coach that I think

00:40:21.920 will work really well with you from a demographics and even maybe a geography standpoint. So maybe you

00:40:26.900 don't have a coach in the same town as you, but maybe you have a coach within, you know, 90 minutes

00:40:30.920 of you and you can go see them say once a quarter in person, they could also do your online

00:40:35.480 coaching and, uh, it works really well. So it's, uh, it's gone very well. We have a super

00:40:39.300 low attrition rate. People just don't tend to tend to leave because the progress is so

00:40:43.440 good. And so, uh, it's been an incredible boon for sure. Right on, man. I'm looking forward

00:40:47.360 to getting going with you guys. As we wind down, I want to ask you, uh, the question I did prep

00:40:52.060 before, and it sounds like you, you knew this was coming. And that question is what does it

00:40:55.520 mean to be a man? I mean, I, I think about this all the time, you know, I've got kids and

00:41:00.100 wife and I, I want to tackle this well. And so, uh, you know, to me, a man is somebody

00:41:05.320 that takes the hard way in a way that brings him value. It's a guy that's going to, that's

00:41:09.860 going to vault that voluntary hardship. So he's going to love his family well, but he's

00:41:13.380 going to cultivate and teach and lead well, where we're called to work. And I think strength

00:41:17.780 plays a huge role in that. I'm, I'm called to be strong. I'm called to be strong physically,

00:41:22.020 mentally, emotionally, spiritually, relationally, and that physical strength, that learning how

00:41:26.280 to refine myself under a heavy barbell, uh, is one of the best things I can do to get

00:41:30.200 there. So I'm, I'm always going to choose the hard way. And to me, that's what makes

00:41:33.680 a man. Right on, man. Well, how do we connect with you? If somebody is listening to this

00:41:36.980 and they think, man, I got to get going, I got to get started. How is somebody to do

00:41:41.020 that and connect and reach out with you? Sure. Website is startingstrengthonlinecoaching.com

00:41:46.200 or Google starting strength online coaching. Uh, all my contact information is there. You

00:41:49.720 can even, if you send me an email, I'll definitely respond to it within 24 hours on the, on

00:41:53.880 all the social medias. We're at SS online coach, SS online coach, Instagram, Facebook,

00:41:59.660 Twitter, all that fun stuff. We're pretty easy to find. So look us up, reach out, say, Hey,

00:42:03.520 and if you just need somebody to watch a video for you, say, Hey, what does the squat look

00:42:06.100 like? We're happy to do that as well. Right on. And I think you had mentioned a discount

00:42:09.480 for the listeners. Yeah, absolutely. So for you guys that have listened to the entire podcast

00:42:13.300 all the way to the end, you got to get through the whole thing. That's right. That's right.

00:42:17.000 If you go to started strength online coaching, sign up and use the discount code O O M O O M for

00:42:22.080 order of man. It doesn't matter whether it's capitalized or, or lowercase, it'll work.

00:42:25.340 You get $50 off your first month of online coaching, which is pretty cool.

00:42:28.920 Right on. Thanks, man. Well, Hey, I got to tell you, I appreciate you. Uh, obviously I

00:42:33.080 see the results that you're, uh, making happen for guys like Brett McKay. I mean,

00:42:37.220 a huge deadlift, what? 530 pounds. I think you said. Yeah. 33. Yeah. That's, that's,

00:42:41.780 that's exciting, man. And I know he's been excited about that and I'm excited to get going

00:42:44.980 with you. So thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for imparting some of your wisdom and

00:42:48.000 sharing what you have to share, man. Appreciate you. Thanks brother.

00:42:52.080 Guys. I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Matt Reynolds, but I want you to do more than

00:42:57.220 just enjoy this conversation. I want you to do something about it. So whether you check

00:43:01.520 out his training programs or hire somebody locally, I encourage you to get into the gym

00:43:06.360 and work on that strength. I know that as I've gone on my own fitness journey over the past

00:43:10.900 four years or so, it has permeated every element of my life for the better. You can get the links

00:43:16.140 and the show notes at order of man.com slash one, two, four. In the meantime, guys, make sure you

00:43:22.200 check out our Facebook group at facebook.com slash groups slash order of man. And also take a look at

00:43:29.680 what it's like to join our exclusive brotherhood, the iron council. You can do that at order of man.com

00:43:35.080 slash iron council. I will look forward to talking to you on Friday for our Friday field notes. But

00:43:39.740 until then take action and become the man you are meant to be. Thank you for listening to the order

00:43:46.280 of man podcast. You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

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Order of Man - August 01, 2017

124： Starting Strength ｜ Matt Reynolds

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