Order of Man - 129： Men and Politics ｜ Sean Whalen

00:00:00.000 Politics. Just the mention of the word infuriates most people and has the ability to split up

00:00:06.660 marriages and lifelong friendships alike. What a shame, since our political environment literally

00:00:12.040 permeates every single element of our lives, from taxes to defense, infrastructure, education,

00:00:18.380 economics, and so much more. Today, I am joined by my good friend and mentor, Sean Whalen.

00:00:23.820 Sean is currently running for Congress in the 3rd Congressional District in Utah.

00:00:27.740 You're going to love some of what this man has to say, and I'm sure a lot of you guys are going to

00:00:32.340 hate what he has to say. But regardless, I encourage you to listen with an open mind so we can prove to

00:00:37.560 the world that it is possible to hold a civil and intelligent political conversation.

00:00:42.840 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your

00:00:47.740 own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily

00:00:53.720 deterred or defeated. Rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is

00:01:01.040 who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself

00:01:06.420 a man.

00:01:07.760 Men, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am the host and the founder of this

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00:01:33.420 I've got a great one lined up for you today, you heard in the intro, because this is a subject that

00:01:38.040 a lot of people are scared to have. But if we are to be the men that we are meant to be,

00:01:43.600 I don't think that any conversation should be off limits. But before I get into that,

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00:02:31.220 at orderofman.com slash Iron Council. Now today, I have the honor of introducing you to one of my

00:02:36.840 favorite repeat guests, Mr. Sean Whalen. Sean is a friend and a mentor of mine. And although I

00:02:42.460 don't agree with him on everything, I have always admired his candor and his ability to hold true

00:02:48.460 to his convictions. He's done everything from MMA fighting to real estate mogul to off-road truck

00:02:55.440 driver. He's talked about it all from hitting rock bottom through a bankruptcy, a nasty divorce that he

00:03:01.840 went through to what has become an incredible movement with Lions Not Sheep. And if that's not

00:03:06.660 enough, he is now adding congressional candidate to the never-ending resume that can only be Sean

00:03:12.200 Whalen's. Gentlemen, buckle up, listen up, and let's talk about men and politics.

00:03:18.360 Sean, what's up, man?

00:03:19.760 Dude, everything is up.

00:03:22.120 Everything?

00:03:22.700 Everything is up.

00:03:23.300 Well, I know you got a lot going on. You got politics going on right now in addition to everything

00:03:26.940 else. Talk to me about why you would even consider getting into politics. Because, I mean, you look

00:03:32.300 at you. I know you. We've been friends for a couple of years now. You're not the stereotypical

00:03:36.720 politician.

00:03:37.940 Well, because I'm too handsome. I'm way better looking.

00:03:40.460 And you got a beard.

00:03:41.120 There's no beards in D.C. right now.

00:03:43.280 Is that true, by the way?

00:03:44.620 I don't know of one.

00:03:45.400 I can't think of any. I just didn't know.

00:03:46.880 Maybe there's a guy with some stubble.

00:03:48.720 Yeah.

00:03:49.220 But I don't know of a dude who's got a full-blown man beard in D.C.

00:03:54.280 There's a thousand answers that I could give to that. But, you know, I've got written on my

00:03:58.940 bathroom mirror, why not? And that's kind of my philosophy. That's my thought process. That's

00:04:03.420 kind of my mantra nowadays is just like, why not? Why can't I go do anything and everything that I

00:04:08.200 want? And so when the opportunity came to get involved with this congressional seat, I thought

00:04:13.680 about it. It wasn't just some whimsical thing where I'm like, yeah, let's just fucking do it. 0.97

00:04:16.540 It sounds great. 0.78

00:04:17.520 There's a little bit of that, though, right?

00:04:18.800 Oh, yeah. I mean, dude, it's just like anything else. I mean, you just got to throw yourself into it.

00:04:22.280 But I really felt it. Like, I really felt like I can keep talking and I can keep yapping

00:04:27.320 and I can keep, you know, I'm big into politics. I talk about politics all the time. But what

00:04:31.680 is that going to do? If I'm not part of the change, if I'm not leading, we talk about leadership

00:04:36.900 all the time, standing out front, putting my name in the mix, putting my everything, my

00:04:42.940 energy, not just my words and my voice, but putting an actual plan together, then I'm

00:04:48.420 really no better than just a critic. Sure. And so I felt really strongly about it and

00:04:52.720 decided to do it.

00:04:53.780 I'm excited about this conversation because politics isn't something that you're traditionally

00:04:58.140 like supposed to talk about, right? Politics, religion, that sort of thing. But I think

00:05:02.080 there's room for it. And I definitely think there's a conversation that we need to have

00:05:05.580 as men about politics. So I'd be really curious as, and I've heard you talk about this before,

00:05:10.520 what role do politics play in a man's life? Like, is this something, because here's the deal.

00:05:16.900 I think there's a lot of guys out there that are jaded with politics and that have completely

00:05:20.600 thrown out their hands and say, I don't want anything to do with this. And I don't believe

00:05:24.460 that's the correct route either. But at the same time, it kind of seems like there's not

00:05:27.980 much we can do. So I'm really curious about where politics fits into a man's life.

00:05:31.700 It's massive because everything that we do, I mean, we work and we're taxed. Like, let's

00:05:36.220 strip away all of the rhetoric and go down to the basic human nature of who we are. We want

00:05:42.000 to be able to shoot something and then eat it. We want to be able to build something

00:05:45.320 and then own it. You can't do that in America. Like, think about this for a second. You literally

00:05:50.400 could work your entire life, pay off your home and you'll never own your home, right?

00:05:55.880 Because the government does, right? You could buy a car with cash. You will never own that

00:06:00.780 car. Every single thing from your coffee to your cell phone, to your pipe, to your tobacco,

00:06:06.120 to your whiteboards, to your, everything is taxed. So how does politics play into a man's

00:06:11.080 world? A hundred percent. Because if you stop and think about it, you're out there earning

00:06:15.380 a dollar and there's some arbitrary group of people that are saying, give us half, give

00:06:22.240 us 40% of it. And then we're going to do for you. Well, at the end of the day, we're getting

00:06:27.780 dumber as a society. We're getting fatter as a society. We're getting sicker as a society. 0.99

00:06:32.960 We're more indebted than we've ever been in the history of this nation. So my 40 cents is going

00:06:38.580 where? Doing what? Is it helping me? No. Is it making my kids smarter? No. Is it making

00:06:44.660 my life easier? No. So how are we involved? How is politics involved in, in a man's life?

00:06:51.700 It's fucking, it's massive. It's huge. 1.00

00:06:54.680 So where does a guy like me who, who understands what you're saying and adheres to what you're

00:06:58.620 saying and recognizes that, yeah, I've got to have a voice and I've got to have a say.

00:07:02.000 Where, where do we get into this thing? Like what's our level of involvement?

00:07:05.420 It. Here's a really simple way to look at it. And I explained this last night. We had

00:07:08.840 a, we had a cottage meeting, whatever the hell a cottage meeting really is. I just like to

00:07:12.380 say that we went to somebody's house. We hung out with a bunch of bad-ass people, but driving

00:07:16.100 Harleys, driving Harleys and the whole thing. Think about it this way. We talk about the government

00:07:20.920 being the machine. We keep hearing that it's this big, huge machine and it's just going and

00:07:25.640 going and going. I'm not an industrial man. I haven't built massive machines. I haven't created

00:07:31.320 these big, huge giant anything really from an industrial standpoint. But one thing I

00:07:36.360 do know is that every single machine can break. And this is my reality is if you do something

00:07:42.980 to an engine in a car, you'll break it. There's a big, huge, massive compressor on the roof of

00:07:48.940 this building that's pumping cold air down. And if I go fuck with it, I can break it. 0.99

00:07:54.160 Sure. And I realized that, that DC, the government is a machine. It is absolutely 150% a machine. 1.00

00:08:03.020 And so I'm looking at it saying, why don't we just throw a big brick in it and break it?

00:08:08.320 Let me give you the, the alternative of that just because I'm curious about your thoughts

00:08:11.920 with this, because you could also go to that machine on the roof and you can tweak it and

00:08:15.880 enhance it. So why not take that perspective rather than let me wreck the whole thing?

00:08:20.860 Because many, many, many, many, many people have tried to, you can look at it from a perspective

00:08:25.880 of, well, let's just try and fix it. But we've tried to fix it. It's, it's kind of like having

00:08:30.020 your, your arm dangling off. You've had it like severed. It's, it's dangling there and

00:08:34.920 we're trying to put it back on with a bunch of band-aids. And what you really might need

00:08:39.200 to do is cut the whole fucking thing off and then go to a surgeon and say, a whole team 0.99

00:08:43.540 of surgeons and say, reinstall this arm, put it on so that it actually works. And that's 0.99

00:08:49.200 kind of how I look at it is the machine's so broken. There's so many pieces that are

00:08:53.840 rusted out, busted out this and the other that we keep trying to replace these little

00:08:57.520 teeny parts. And then this will break and then this will break and nothing is flowing

00:09:01.520 fluidly. And so you just need to take the entire thing and throw it off the roof and

00:09:06.660 put something completely new on the roof.

00:09:08.760 So what does this look like from a tactical level? Cause I think there's a lot of guys

00:09:12.860 and I've had this before where I'm like, well, that sounds really good. And yet, you

00:09:17.620 know, it's more of the same. So what does this actually look like from a tactical

00:09:20.700 perspective?

00:09:21.660 So for me personally, I've thought a lot about this, you know, taxes and this and

00:09:26.020 that and the other, and how do we really break the machine? Cause I'm told the same

00:09:30.160 thing. It's too big. You can't do it. The whole thing. When you're trying to like

00:09:35.260 play in the same sandbox as everybody else, it's, it's different to get the clarity of

00:09:40.840 how to be able to create something different. Right. And so what I look at and, and, and

00:09:45.120 after years of looking at this system, if you will, and trying to decide what's really

00:09:50.260 wrong, what's really broken, is there anything even broken? Right. What I realize is that

00:09:55.520 the game of politics was never meant to be a career. When you look at the founding fathers,

00:10:03.260 they didn't come in and say, Hey, I'm going to be, I'm going to, they set up this nation.

00:10:06.740 They created their declaration of independence as a bunch of regular dudes who came in and

00:10:11.800 said, look, somebody's got to freaking help create this independence. It's almost a temporary

00:10:16.180 obligation. It's like, look, let's come in, let's be the ones that'll do this. And then

00:10:20.560 let's turn it over to somebody else who actually wants to run it. Right. And they got out of

00:10:24.880 the way. And what I realized now is if you think about everything wrong, if you will,

00:10:29.480 with DC, if you think about the corruption, if you think about the fact that the number one

00:10:33.880 and number two campaign contributors are big farms, so pharmaceutical companies, which are

00:10:38.180 multi, multi, multi, multi, multi billion dollar companies for a reason. And then the energy

00:10:42.080 industry, when you stop and look at it, there are men who have made politics a career. Yes.

00:10:47.260 And to me, that's a problem. To me, that's the problem because as someone who's in a job,

00:10:53.120 your natural reaction, your natural tendency as a man is you don't want to lose your job. And so you

00:10:59.060 will do anything, say anything, be anything in order to keep your job, which makes sense because

00:11:04.260 you know, you and I have talked about this. Well, and our job is to be a provider, right? I mean,

00:11:09.480 that's our job. And so if we can provide or create some stability in that ability to provide for a

00:11:16.400 family and our loved ones, I can see why that's important. But I think a lot of the times within

00:11:20.720 politics specifically, it comes at the expense of other people. Exactly. And that's where I look at

00:11:25.860 it and say, okay, cool. Let's just look at it as a company. Okay. Like let's strip away the

00:11:30.120 government aspect. If you're the CEO of the company or you're technically this congressman

00:11:35.160 or whatever, and what you're doing is you're indebting your company, you're enslaving your

00:11:40.360 company to debt that you cannot service. Like you literally can't pay your bills because you're

00:11:46.560 so recklessly spending. If you're then going to your employees saying, we want you to work more and

00:11:51.960 earn less. Oh, and by the way, we want you to give half of the money that we give you, give it back to

00:11:57.600 us. And we're still going to continue to spend it. We're still going to continue to do that.

00:12:01.700 That business fails. Right. Period. It just fails. I mean, it's not family income. Exactly. It's not

00:12:06.780 economically sociable or reasonable. And I don't care who you are. I don't care if it's a Republican,

00:12:11.400 a Democrat, it doesn't matter. It's the simple law of economics is that if you run a business that way,

00:12:16.800 it will fail. You will have no employees. You will go bankrupt. We're running the nation the exact same

00:12:22.680 way. So these quote unquote CEOs, these leaders, if you will, these smart, educated, sophisticated men

00:12:30.520 that are in these positions of quote leadership are literally enslaving us to a debt that's not

00:12:36.620 serviceable. We're literally unable to balance a checkbook. Think that through for a second. If you

00:12:43.560 don't balance a checkbook, you go broke. If I don't balance a checkbook, I go broke. There's

00:12:47.960 ramifications to that. There are no ramifications in DC. And the reason is, is these guys know that

00:12:54.620 as long as they continue to support the people that will get them in office, which is, are the

00:12:59.360 delegates, which are the, you know, the, the, not your constituency, but the people that will pay to

00:13:04.300 get you there, that will pay to in essence, by your vote, by your candidacy, all you need to do is

00:13:11.440 service those people. And as long as they're taken care of, you're continuing to have your job.

00:13:15.980 And the problem is, is we, we, the people believe that the system is too big. The machine is too big

00:13:24.040 to be broken. And I'm a firm believer that we live on a rock. This earth is a rock. There, there's no

00:13:30.720 shortage of rocks big enough to drop into the machine. The question is who's going to pick it up

00:13:36.100 and who's going to toss it into the machine. Yeah. I mean this, this, you know, it's really

00:13:40.220 interesting in hearing you talk. And of course I've, I've been to some degree, not involved, but just

00:13:45.260 aware of politics, local and national politics. And a lot of what I hear you saying is very common

00:13:49.920 sense from my perspective. Is this willful ignorance or is this wishful thinking when a constituency

00:13:58.160 hopes and prays that they'll be taken care of? Or like what, why does this not seem to be as common

00:14:04.980 as I think it should be? I'll answer your question with a question. Is your life happier, healthier,

00:14:11.200 and wealthier when it's created around simplicity or complexity?

00:14:16.440 For me, it's simplicity.

00:14:17.740 And I think 321 or 27 million Americans would agree with the same thing.

00:14:23.280 Right.

00:14:23.740 When I have a simple schedule and simple earnings and a simple job and a simple task,

00:14:27.800 when I have simple conversations with my lover, simple conversations with my children,

00:14:31.500 when I allow simplicity to be the name of the game, things work. But when you create complexity,

00:14:37.480 now you have anger, you have frustration, you have anxiety, you have resentment, you have all

00:14:41.960 of these different things. And that's the system that we have right now is it is common sense. I

00:14:46.280 mean, think this, think about the taxes for a second. Like we literally 240 something years ago,

00:14:52.100 went to war with England over a 1% tax. 1%.

00:14:57.400 We now pay upwards of the average American, as an entrepreneur, my business tax, my personal tax,

00:15:05.580 the entire thing, 35% or more in taxes. We're born and we're taxed. We die and we're taxed.

00:15:14.400 When you stop and think about this for a second, why are we not literally creating a simple one-page

00:15:21.160 tax code and eliminating an 80-something thousand page tax code and a multi-billion dollar corporation,

00:15:26.780 if you will, called the IRS, part of the government, which is completely freaking useless? Why don't

00:15:31.860 we just have a flat tax?

00:15:33.340 I mean, that's a really good question. Why don't we? Because I think, again...

00:15:37.140 Because the complexity works for the system, which is why if you go back to the thing on the roof,

00:15:42.280 all of these pipes and things and this and this and this, and it's like, well, how do we fix this

00:15:46.860 and what do we do? Well, let's just hire the specialist. Well, the specialist is the guy who

00:15:49.820 built the whole damn thing and he gets a lot of money to create the complexity. 0.95

00:15:53.440 Is it that malicious? Do you think, is it, hey, we are going to willfully create complexity 0.99

00:15:59.200 and confusion in order to maintain job security or is it just built and compounded over time?

00:16:05.540 If you haven't awakened people, what happens? I mean, if you think through all of the revolutions

00:16:13.680 of history, how did Rome fall? What happened to all of these, quote, dynasties? It's when the

00:16:20.360 people became so sick, so enslaved, so indebted that they finally said, you know what? Fuck 1.00

00:16:26.300 it. I would rather die by the sword than continue to live this impoverished life. Now, we're 1.00

00:16:33.580 blessed because we live in the freest, greatest nation on the planet. We're not dealing with

00:16:37.600 starvation on every corner. But what we're dealing with is an enslaved people. And that's 1.00

00:16:43.080 not rubbish. That's not some way out there thought. You literally don't own anything in

00:16:48.940 America. You are literally taxed beyond what is even fathomably reasonable. There's no politician.

00:16:55.640 There's no human being on this planet that can explain to me why it is that we spend 30,

00:17:01.260 35, 40% of our hard earned money and we give it to the government. It's taken from us. It's

00:17:08.520 taken from us. Corporations are forced to take it from your check. You never even see that dollar

00:17:13.900 you've put in the work. You never even see the dollar. It's automatically given to this machine.

00:17:17.980 And the real question is, then what? Then what happens? You and I have no control over this.

00:17:23.100 And so is it malicious? I absolutely think it's malicious. I absolutely think it's negligence. I

00:17:28.140 think that there's, you have really, really smart people, quote unquote, smart people that are in DC.

00:17:34.060 Some of these people have college degrees. Some of these people have extensive business

00:17:37.840 knowledge, so on and so forth. And literally every single year, our national debt goes up

00:17:44.780 every single year. I mean, taxes, have your taxes gone down? No, they haven't gone down.

00:17:49.980 Has your healthcare premium gone down through Obamacare? Nope. Is your car insurance,

00:17:56.240 is your health insurance, is your, are your taxes on your vehicles, on your home going down? No,

00:18:02.160 there's nothing moving in the direction of benefit for the American people, the people paying for 0.52

00:18:08.680 everything. In fact, it's going the opposite way. And we're letting the people, we're allowing the

00:18:13.260 people, we're electing these people who continue to indebt us and impoverish us. And, and I think

00:18:20.440 what you're seeing now is people are starting to wake up. And what's really interesting, what's

00:18:24.100 really dangerous for the political system as it is, is this little thing called social media.

00:18:28.860 Because five years ago, we didn't have it, we didn't have it to the level that we have it now.

00:18:32.740 And so the guy who steps up, and this is the reason that I'm getting involved. This is the

00:18:36.500 reason that, that, you know, we've talked about leading from the front and the revolution, but

00:18:40.100 fathom for a second, somebody throwing a boulder into that machine and then being able to, to talk

00:18:47.140 about it openly with a population of the entire country, right? Imagine being able to share

00:18:53.140 like what's really going on from the inside to the people. You'll literally have a complete

00:18:59.980 revolution. You'll have people that will say, you know what, until we actually have a budget

00:19:03.900 that works, I'm not paying my fucking taxes. Now that's considered treason. Yeah. Well, guess 0.98

00:19:09.740 what happened 241 years ago when a bunch of dudes said, you know what, we're literally declaring

00:19:15.180 our independence from the King. They were committing treason. Is there a place in society for just on

00:19:24.420 the point of taxation for taxation? And what is, if that's the case, what is then even reasonable?

00:19:30.000 Like how do you come to that conclusion? We absolutely need, I truly believe that we as a

00:19:34.480 nation should be paying a tax. And here's why I say that is I want to ensure that the federal

00:19:40.320 government does what the federal government should be doing. And that is simply protecting

00:19:44.360 the national security and our security interests globally, not running business, not being involved

00:19:50.840 in the private sector. There's nothing that the government is doing, running, operating from

00:19:56.660 banking, from anything that they're doing better, more profitably than the private sector,

00:20:02.620 the federal reserve. I mean, people think that's a government thing. It's a private freaking bank.

00:20:07.080 I mean, the IRS has, and the federal reserve have done nothing but devalue our dollar and create 0.96

00:20:13.180 ridiculous amounts of inflation. And call it something fancy, like quantitative easing.

00:20:18.520 Dude, we can go down, we can go down a road that's really, really, really interesting for people

00:20:23.420 to understand. But you know, at the end of the day, the government should not be doing anything other

00:20:27.620 than protecting the citizens. And so when you look at that from a tax perspective, we don't need to

00:20:32.500 pay 30%. When you create an opportunity for healthcare to be a multi-state, a cross-state

00:20:39.660 line competition, that's how shit gets done, is when you have business competing. You know, 0.85

00:20:44.780 we want you to join our insurance policy.

00:20:47.560 Capitalism.

00:20:48.000 It's capitalism, man. But we now live in a day and age where capitalism is a bad word.

00:20:52.600 What's your thoughts about, and I know we can go down a complete rabbit hole on this and spend

00:20:57.220 days talking about this, but education and government's involvement in education.

00:21:02.140 The idea that Common Core, I have three kids. I have a 14-year-old, an 11-year-old, and an 8-year-old.

00:21:06.760 The idea that a guy in a suit or a board in suits, 2,000 miles away, know what's best for my child

00:21:15.680 or your child or children in Chicago or LA or Boston or Miami or Dallas is insane. It's literal,

00:21:23.700 it's lunacy. It's insane. There's no common sense whatsoever. We're literally, we, the people,

00:21:29.880 through our public education system, are saying, let's let someone 2,000 miles away dictate what

00:21:36.200 the benchmark is and what it is that we should be teaching our children. It's absolutely insane.

00:21:41.940 I mean, just look at what's happening across the board. Are our kids healthier? No. Are our kids

00:21:47.060 graduating and our college opportunities being provided more readily or is it more difficult?

00:21:54.540 You know, are kids thriving in school? Are they going towards a specialty opportunity that they're

00:22:00.440 good at? No. I mean, my three kids are radically different in the way that they learn and what

00:22:04.580 they're good at. But we test them all the same. We educate them all the same. And so my proposal,

00:22:10.040 without question, is to eliminate, uh, the federal board of education. We don't need it. It does not

00:22:16.760 help us. The states should absolutely be in charge of the education. I'll bring it all the way down to

00:22:22.660 the parents, the teachers, the teachers spending eight hours with your child a fucking day. Think that 1.00

00:22:28.620 through for a second. Who knows your child better? The teacher or some asshole in DC? It's common

00:22:33.860 fucking sense, right? This is a teacher that wants to talk to the parents that want. They have parent 0.98

00:22:39.600 teacher conference for Christ's sake. They don't have parent teacher conference in DC for all the

00:22:44.260 freaking politicians. You literally can sit down with your teacher and discuss your child's education, 0.94

00:22:49.680 where they are, what they're doing, how they're learning, what they're thriving in, what they're

00:22:53.800 not doing well in. Think that through. The teachers are freaking powerful, man. The, the, the, the,

00:22:59.500 boards of education, the state level should absolutely be where we run education. We can control

00:23:07.020 that. Now people say, well, you know, how do you do that financially? We're taxed, right? We send all

00:23:12.220 of our money to DC and then DC politicians decide how to divvy that up. It doesn't make any logical

00:23:20.160 sense whatsoever. My proposal is eliminate the federal board of education. Keep all of the tax revenue in

00:23:26.320 the States. Let the States govern that. Let the teachers get involved with the parents on how to 0.62

00:23:31.980 educate these kids. They're already doing it, man. Like this is the thing that just, I get really

00:23:37.440 passionate about this because it's so common sense. And what we're doing, just like the compressor,

00:23:42.860 the machine up on the roof, we're putting band-aids on gushing wounds. We're medicating and trying to

00:23:47.200 fix this adult culture of ours and really the root of it. We're just raising more and more and more

00:23:52.360 sheep, more and more and more idiots. We're telling people, these kids sit down, quiet down, slow down, 1.00

00:23:57.180 shut the hell up. That's what we were told, right? That's what you and I were told. And how did it work 0.96

00:24:01.540 out? We're 25, 30, 35, 40 years old going, really dude? Like, is this it? Like, why am I not happy?

00:24:07.040 Why am I not thriving? And so what do we do? We go to a doctor, say I'm depressed and they pump us

00:24:10.960 full of freaking medicine. Instead of telling these kids, yeah, you're good at this little Johnny. 0.94

00:24:15.000 Let's help you thrive in this area. Or Sally, you're really artistic. Let's teach you the

00:24:19.140 fundamental basics and let you thrive in what you want to thrive in. A teacher can do that. A school can do

00:24:24.560 that. Some dude in a suit with an American flag lapel pin who says he represents your child.

00:24:29.880 Get the hell out of here, man.

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00:26:54.540 Now let's get back to the conversation with Sean.

00:26:58.380 This is a really fascinating time that we live in. And I know you talked about this in the revolution

00:27:02.660 and Donald Trump, whether you like him or not being the tip of the spear as this goes,

00:27:07.360 you have you who's this bearded dude who rides a Harley, who shoots guns and hunts and does all the

00:27:13.880 things. Then you have like kid rock who just announced his candidacy in Michigan, I believe

00:27:19.000 2018. And then you've got the rock who has talked about a campaign as well. Why, why are we seeing

00:27:25.060 this as opposed to your career type politicians? Is it just that people are sick of this?

00:27:29.400 Well, they are. And, and, and what I see happening, the very first thing that I plan on doing,

00:27:34.300 and you know, I hope politicians listen to this. I hope every Congress in America knows what's coming

00:27:38.720 for them because I'm coming for them. Like I have zero fear. Like I've got zero fear going to

00:27:43.860 DC with this deal. I want to absolutely eliminate career politicians. I want term limits period out 0.78

00:27:50.420 of the gates. Number one, the way to affect 90% of the change in this country is to get career

00:27:56.020 politicians the hell out. They don't belong there. They don't, that's not how this country was set

00:28:01.280 up. Let's get back to the day where you get an entrepreneur like you, an entrepreneur like me.

00:28:05.480 It's like, you know what? I made some good money. I'm going to take a year and I'm going to go serve

00:28:08.740 my country. If you will, I'm going to go to DC. I'm going to put in my civic duty and then I'm

00:28:13.980 going to come to hell home and get back to work and do my thing. You're seeing guys like the rocks

00:28:18.460 not getting involved. The kid rocks, not getting involved in politics for the money. I sure as hell

00:28:22.960 I'm not getting involved in it for the money. I don't need the fame or the accolades. He doesn't

00:28:26.640 need the fame or the accolades. What you're seeing is a revolution of people saying, dude,

00:28:30.400 this system is fucked. This machine is not helping anyone. And at the end of, of the conversation, 0.99

00:28:37.080 if we keep putting the same guys with the same political signs, with the same message, 0.99

00:28:42.740 with the same bullshit, I'm going to fight for the people. Cool. What exactly are you going to do, 0.99

00:28:47.300 bro? I'm going to go to DC and I'm going to represent my district. Yeah, we already heard that.

00:28:51.200 What exactly are you going to do? And that's the thing. It's just this theoretical fluffy,

00:28:56.920 puffy. Look at me. I looked the part. I fit the part where a guy like kid rocks, like I don't

00:29:01.180 fucking need this man. I'm going to go to DC and I'm going to shake the freaking tree because I can, 0.99

00:29:07.560 because I have children in the game. I have three kids in the game. I want to see the federal board 0.91

00:29:12.060 of education eliminated. I want to see my children's teachers paid more and have more opportunity to

00:29:19.280 literally affect the future of my child because they will be in school. I'm the parent. I'm going to

00:29:23.780 teach them. You're the parent. You're going to teach your kids. But if we're going to send them

00:29:26.540 to school, why not give them the greatest freaking education, the greatest opportunity

00:29:30.920 possible? The politicians aren't talking about this. The parents are. You and I are. The bearded,

00:29:36.380 tattooed asshole riding his Harley is. That's what I want to see happen. That's the reason Kid Rock, 1.00

00:29:41.240 again, dude, he doesn't need the money. He doesn't need the fame or the accolades. People say,

00:29:44.760 oh, he's doing it to boost his ego. What are you talking about? The dude sells out 50,000 person

00:29:49.300 stadium. His ego is fine, man. Trust me. He's not doing this for ego. He's doing it because

00:29:55.400 he's like me and he's like, at some point in time, someone's going to have to drop a freaking

00:29:59.780 rock into this machine and break it. I think you bring up a really fascinating point because I think

00:30:04.780 that there are good men and women who enter the political space and sphere and genuinely do have

00:30:10.940 good intentions. And yet we see over and over and over again, these politicians entering politics,

00:30:17.820 being elected and representing us. And yet we continue to see much of the same. So this makes a lot

00:30:23.680 of sense. Talk to me about something I know you are adamantly against, and I believe we're seeing

00:30:30.560 a change in the political climate, which is the idea of a two-party system. We've seen this with

00:30:36.720 Donald Trump, who, yes, ran as a Republican, but essentially spat in the face of the Republican Party

00:30:41.920 the entire time. And I think generally speaking, Americans are sick of the two-party system.

00:30:48.760 We don't identify with it anymore. I mean, everybody wants to belong, right? Everybody wants

00:30:53.920 to be part of the club or the thing or the people that think the same way they think or do the same

00:30:58.760 things they do. That's natural. It's what we all do. We all gravitate towards those experiences.

00:31:04.160 But what you're seeing with the, quote, two-party system is it's not about the country anymore. It's

00:31:11.320 about the two parties. And you're seeing people that come in that literally will pledge allegiance

00:31:17.440 to a party when they've been elected to pledge allegiance to their constituency.

00:31:23.320 And that's the problem, is when you put an R or a D next to your name, you're automatically

00:31:28.680 jumping on that train, which means, hey, if you're part of the Republican Party, you will do this,

00:31:33.520 this, this, this, and this. You will say this, this, this, this, this. Well, what if those things

00:31:38.640 are not helping? What if those things are not beneficial to my constituency, to my district,

00:31:44.120 to my people? It doesn't, it doesn't matter. You're a Republican and this is how it's going

00:31:48.880 to be done. And I think what you're seeing is a lot of people like me. I mean, I'm, I'm very,

00:31:53.560 very, very conservative in a lot of my views. There's some things that I'm, I'm, you would

00:31:57.820 probably look at me or consider me a Democrat on. It's just simply because I don't believe the

00:32:02.880 way that a Republican does on certain things. And I think that's good. And I think what you're

00:32:07.700 seeing is, you know, a lot of people that are not identifying with the party anymore. I mean,

00:32:11.360 my case right now is we're in Utah, very conservative. The third congressional district

00:32:16.140 is an ultra conservative. There's only 7% that are registered Republicans. So you have 93% or,

00:32:21.600 you know, undecided or, or, you know, libertarian or whatever, whatever. You essentially have 90%

00:32:25.480 of this district is, is Republican, is conservative. But right now today, the polls are that 49% of the

00:32:32.100 third congressional district is undecided on their candidate, which is fascinating to me. I love that.

00:32:37.040 That freaks the shit out of the institution and Republicans. I'm laughing. I'm smiling ear 0.99

00:32:41.940 to ear because I realized that there's now an opportunity. There's a platform for somebody

00:32:45.220 with common sense who shares a message. That's not Republican or Democrat, this side of the aisle,

00:32:50.560 that side of the aisle. There is no aisle. We're all trying to get shit done. There's a Republican

00:32:55.540 and a Democratic side that should be working for our children, not for their ideology. There should be

00:33:01.500 one group of people in D.C. helping run, if you will, steer, if you will, the security of this

00:33:07.520 country. And yet we want to arm and then disarm and arm and disarm and this and this and this.

00:33:11.720 This is why I truly believe eliminating 70% of the government and its function and turning it over

00:33:17.000 to the states allows us a much more intimate relationship with, quote, politics. And it allows

00:33:23.900 the average guy, you and me, to get involved and to help steer that in a way that represents us,

00:33:30.180 not an R or a D, an elephant or a donkey.

00:33:33.840 Which is really funny because, I mean, even if you go into the poll booths, you can see,

00:33:37.740 you can, you don't even have to vote for an individual. You can just press a button.

00:33:42.380 All Republican, all Democrat.

00:33:44.160 And tons of people do that.

00:33:45.120 Which is unfortunate because a lot of people will ask me, Ryan, are you Republican, Democrat? I'm like,

00:33:49.040 I'm neither. I'm an American. Sometimes I lean conservative and other times I lean maybe a

00:33:53.540 little bit more liberal. I don't think there's necessarily a right or wrong or always just a

00:33:57.820 straight answer. Why hasn't third party worked in the past?

00:34:02.880 Because they've tried to play in the same sandbox as everybody else. If you look at like Rand Paul

00:34:07.380 or anybody else, I mean, he's got a halfway decent message. You know, look at any single candidate

00:34:12.820 who has gone down that path, has tried to play by the same set of rules. And you can't play

00:34:19.000 by the same set of rules. You have to create a completely different set of rules. You know

00:34:23.060 what I mean? Like if you really want to create a revolution, you can't do it the same way

00:34:28.100 that everybody else has done it. And that's what a lot of these politicians have been afraid

00:34:32.520 to do is they've tried to get the same media sources. They've tried to compete for the same

00:34:38.220 airtime as Fox and ABC and CNN and all of these channels where at the end of the day,

00:34:43.460 who's pumping the dollars behind those? It's Republican based or it's Democratic based.

00:34:48.080 And so it's neutral third party doesn't serve any of these outlets. And what's really amazing

00:34:53.840 and fascinating now is the introduction of social media, of the internet, which, you know,

00:35:00.580 thank you, Al Gore, for creating the internet. But, you know, you now have a platform which is

00:35:05.720 neutral. And if you use it properly, if you educate people properly, if you build a tribe like you and

00:35:11.600 I've been talking about for years, you can create real revolution. I mean, I'm on the November

00:35:16.620 ballot. I'm an independent conservative. I'm a registered Republican. So I don't vote straight

00:35:23.820 ticket, but I register with the Republican Party. No big deal. But I'm running as an independent.

00:35:27.920 And I did that simply because I knew that a tattooed bearded guy in the state of Utah trying

00:35:33.160 to go down the delegate route and go to a primary and win over all these delegates would

00:35:38.340 never happen. Right. Because I'm not the good old boy because I haven't been in the system

00:35:42.240 for years and years and years, which all of these other candidates have. So I looked at it and said,

00:35:46.680 what's going to give me the greatest chance to win? And it was, I'm going to create my own sandbox.

00:35:51.780 I'm going to do it my way with my rules. And then I don't even need to worry about these guys.

00:35:57.280 It almost in a way, I would use the analogy of, you know, rocking the boat, for example.

00:36:02.380 And I think the reason in politics that you are not allowed to rock the boat is because

00:36:08.560 everybody's in the boat. And here you are in this outside perspective, you're not in the same boat.

00:36:14.580 And so your ability to rock that boat now becomes more feasible. But what do you say to the person

00:36:18.800 who might look at what you're saying and say, not only is this disruptive, it's damaging.

00:36:25.160 Tell me how.

00:36:25.940 I don't know.

00:36:26.580 That's my answer to them is if you think about it, one of the primary foundational principles

00:36:32.520 of my company and what I've educated literally hundreds of people around the world on that I

00:36:38.020 coach corporations and men and women on is simply this principle that radical change requires radical

00:36:43.440 change. And you've heard me say this a thousand times. I'll say it another thousand times. If you're

00:36:48.560 morbidly obese, going to the gym and doing four sit-ups and walking on the treadmill for 90 seconds is

00:36:53.720 not going to solve your problem. You're going to have to radically alter your entire life, who you

00:36:58.440 hang out with, what you eat, how you eat, when you eat, what your kitchen setup is, where you have

00:37:04.880 access to food, when you shop, how you work out, where you work out, the type of shoes that you wear

00:37:10.580 to work out, the entire freaking space of your life changes in order to go from obese to not obese.

00:37:17.120 And what we're doing as a system is putting a bandaid on a gushing wound. So I envision politics

00:37:22.980 literally being, I mean, the political system in DC is you've got these 500 plus congressmen and

00:37:29.100 senators that are on this bike. It's not a tandem bike. It's a multi-tandem bike with, I don't know

00:37:33.460 how many tandems there are, but there's a lot of freaking seats on the bike. And all they're doing

00:37:37.340 is just riding around the block over and over and over and over and over again. And this guy will

00:37:41.920 jump off and a new guy will jump on and this guy will jump off and a new guy will jump on. And it's

00:37:45.560 really the system driving the bike. It's leading the bike, but it's going around and doing the same

00:37:50.480 things, seeing the same things, talking to the same neighbors, taking money from the same people,

00:37:55.100 doing the same deal. And, and, and my whole concept is in order to get it, to go down a different

00:37:59.840 street, somebody is going to have to throw a pipe in the front wheel and flip that bitch over because 1.00

00:38:05.160 that's the only way it's going to stop going around. Because if you send somebody else to DC in our, 0.97

00:38:10.020 in our particular case, the third congressional district who will sit here and say, I'm going to

00:38:13.680 fight for the people and not give you any logical or practical ways that they will alter or disrupt

00:38:20.600 the system. You're going to get the same thing. And all they're going to do is sit their ass on the

00:38:23.940 bike. It's really comfy. It's really nice. There's perks, there's benefits. It's comfortable. They have 1.00

00:38:27.700 people fanning you and feeding you while you're riding the bike. And it's just amazing. It's glorious,

00:38:31.280 right? And the weather is sunny and it's just, it's fantastic. That's our problem, man. And so somebody

00:38:37.100 who says not only is, is it disruptive, they're a hundred percent right, but it's damaging. Our

00:38:42.600 country is damaged. We're literally an enslaved people. Don't, don't mistake that. That's not an

00:38:48.800 extreme word. We are an enslaved people. If you stop playing ball, the way the country tells you,

00:38:55.340 demands you play ball, forces you to play ball, they'll put you in jail. How many people get a

00:39:02.720 letter from the IRS and they're like, Oh, awesome. Awesome. Great. You got a fucking panic attack.

00:39:07.360 Think that through for a second. It's not the way it's supposed to be. And so to me, 0.99

00:39:11.440 radical change requires radical change. And this is the reason that the very first thing that I want

00:39:15.420 to do. And if this is the only thing that I champion as a Congressman, federal position into

00:39:20.340 the United States of America, the only thing that I do is pass legislation that establishes term limits.

00:39:25.700 I win. We win as a people because that will alter radically. That's the radical change that America

00:39:32.360 needs because that means everybody's getting off the bike. That means it's a completely

00:39:36.740 new system. That means all of these corporate donors and the big money, the big farm who buying

00:39:42.160 these politicians at a state and a federal level, you know, your guy's gone in two years. And so now

00:39:48.500 you're going to have to do it all over again. And what we're seeing is Kid Rock showing up,

00:39:52.280 Sean Whalen showing up, Ryan Mickler showing up, your wife going, Hey, but it's your turn to get in

00:39:57.100 there. You know what I'm saying? That's revolution. That's how you completely alter the entire game.

00:40:02.280 And you do it peacefully. Right on, man. Well, Hey, I know we're snugging up against time. I want

00:40:06.800 to ask you a question. I asked you this. I think I asked you this a year or so ago when you were

00:40:10.560 first on the show. I didn't even prep you for this one, but if anybody can answer, you can. And that

00:40:14.200 is a, what does it mean to be a man doing you literally living the things that you feel 0.97

00:40:19.920 like the shit that's burning in your soul, the stuff pounding in your brain, the excitement, 0.89

00:40:25.280 the ferocity, the tenacity that's inside of you right now, living every single ounce of it 1.00

00:40:30.700 every single day. Right on, man. I love it. Well, all right. So tell us how we can connect

00:40:35.740 with you, learn a little bit more about what you're doing. I call you Sean now. Hopefully

00:40:38.640 we'll be calling you Congressman Whalen before too long. That's going to be fantastic. Sean

00:40:43.000 Whalen.com. You can find me on social media. You can find me on Facebook, go to Sean Whalen.com.

00:40:47.340 Follow the insanity that will be my congressional campaign. It's going to be an interesting couple

00:40:51.520 of months. Right on, man. Well, we'll make sure we link all that up so the guys can have

00:40:54.860 that information. Sean, I appreciate you. Thanks, bro. We've been friends for a couple of years

00:40:58.800 now. I look at you as a mentor. And one thing that I always appreciate about you, and I think

00:41:02.700 people should appreciate as well as whether they agree with you or not, you're always like you say,

00:41:06.480 leading from the front and willing to share what's true in your mind and willing to put yourself out

00:41:11.140 there. So we always know where you stand and there's something to be said for that. So appreciate

00:41:14.040 you doing that. Thanks, bro. Appreciate you. There it is guys. My conversation with Mr. And soon to be

00:41:20.240 Congressman Whalen. I hope you enjoyed the show. I hope it caused you to think about and to look at

00:41:25.260 things just a little differently. I know that you're not going to agree with everything that

00:41:28.740 Sean and I talked about, but that's not really the point of the show. The point is that we start

00:41:32.740 thinking about and having some more conversations about the things that are impacting every single

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00:42:15.960 talking with you on Friday for our Friday Field Notes, but until then, take action and become the man you

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Order of Man - September 05, 2017

129： Men and Politics ｜ Sean Whalen

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