Order of Man - 138： Political Correctness, Technology, and Capitalism

00:00:00.000 Gents, today is a different kind of podcast and it's unlike anything that we've ever done before.

00:00:04.720 Last month, I had the opportunity to head to the Spartan World Championships in Tahoe

00:00:09.180 and was able to sit down with my friends, Sal, Adam, and Justin from Mind Pump Media.

00:00:14.360 They are a fitness company, but we don't talk about anything fitness related today as we sit

00:00:19.000 down for an hour or so to talk about political correctness, the future of technology, including

00:00:24.740 planned communities and cryptocurrency. We talk about capitalism and just about everything in

00:00:30.000 between. So sit back, relax, and enjoy a conversation a little about nothing and a little about everything

00:00:35.760 with me and the guys.

00:00:37.480 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart

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00:01:02.380 Men, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler, and I am the host and the founder

00:01:06.120 of this podcast, The Order of Man. We are going strong with over 210 shows now, and we are just

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00:01:32.140 Howe, so many more guys. And I know you're going to be excited about the interviews that

00:01:36.080 we are hosting. I did notice something very interesting as I was looking through the numbers

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00:02:14.540 jump straight into this show today without a lot of hesitation. It's longer than you might be

00:02:18.660 used to on this podcast. Like I mentioned before, we talk a little about nothing and

00:02:23.080 a little about everything, but these are some very important conversations and topics that

00:02:27.560 we cover. And whether you agree with all of the views that we talk about today, it's my

00:02:31.400 hope that the conversation that we have causes you to look at and to think about some different

00:02:37.140 perspectives in your life. Now I've got three guests for you today, which is also different.

00:02:42.500 Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. They are the founders of Mind Pump Media,

00:02:47.160 which is a media company dedicated to giving accurate and entertaining information about

00:02:52.320 the media industry, what works, what doesn't, and how you can get control of your health.

00:02:58.460 These guys have a combined experience of over 40 years in the industry. And again, although

00:03:03.080 we don't talk a thing about fitness today, you can tell about the depth of the conversation

00:03:07.740 that we do have, that these guys are very, very intelligent and extremely well-informed in

00:03:13.140 a world that seems to regurgitate the same basic health information over and over again.

00:03:18.620 Sal, Adam, and Justin are extremely entertaining and bring a whole new perspective to the way

00:03:22.720 that we look at fitness, nutrition, and health. And also be aware that we just started recording

00:03:28.000 midway through a conversation. So you're just going to jump right into it with us.

00:03:31.620 Adam had some pink shoes on and I took a picture of it and I put girl shoes. And I had this guy

00:03:38.160 called, his name, his Instagram name was unicorn penetration. And he comes on to tell me how

00:03:45.480 offensive I am because I said they're girl shoes. Yeah. People love to find something to be offended

00:03:49.760 about. It makes them feel powerful. He goes, that's the new craze. I said, you realize you're

00:03:53.660 the one that's being a bully. So is that the issue? Do you think it makes them feel powerful?

00:03:57.580 Are you kidding me? Oh, totally. That's why they do it though?

00:03:59.720 Okay. So what are you saying? Yes. Getting easily offended. Remember I took a picture

00:04:05.360 of you and you had pink shoes on and I put girl shoes and then that dude comes on. He

00:04:08.600 messaged me and he's like, you know, that's offensive or whatever to, you know, and it

00:04:13.180 gives people power to say that. It gives people the power to call you an offensive person or

00:04:18.680 because to them now, they're the ones like they're better than you. Right. Moral high ground

00:04:23.680 almost. Moral high ground. I love to reveal people's insecurities when they do shit like that.

00:04:28.220 When in reality, being offended. Why are you reacting so strongly to this? Yeah. Being

00:04:32.220 offended is a choice. You have a choice to be offended or not. Yeah. Nobody can make

00:04:36.540 you offended. Nobody can make you offended. If I don't touch you, if I don't physically

00:04:40.340 harm you or steal from you, then that's your choice to get offended. That's up to you.

00:04:44.080 That's fucking hard. Have you guys, I mean, you guys have probably heard this, the Hobby Lobby

00:04:47.180 one with the gal that's offended by cotton? No. No. No, I haven't heard that. You guys

00:04:52.220 haven't heard this? No. Oh my goodness. I don't know all the details, but at the end

00:04:56.140 of the day, this lady's upset and offended because Hobby Lobby used in one of their marketing

00:05:01.360 displays, a cotton plant or something along those lines. Don't tell me. Oh, I think I've

00:05:06.060 done this. And so she's offended because racism. Wow. Slaves picked cotton, which is

00:05:11.320 true. 90% of our clothes are made from it too. But how you get to that point, man, there's

00:05:16.340 a lot. Yeah, that's a lot of like connect the dots right there. Yeah. You know what I'm

00:05:19.740 offended by? I'm offended by anything that's in the pyramid shape because those that were

00:05:23.760 built by slaves. Oh yeah, that's the first depression. Yeah, so I feel it really does give

00:05:27.700 people power to feel offended and to be victims because people identify with it, number

00:05:33.800 one. What's the irony is it's the opposite. You're losing your power when you get like

00:05:38.600 that is what's really happening, but they're doing it. Yeah, you're almost giving some of

00:05:41.560 it away. You are. Absolutely you are. I mean, if you let something offend you like that, you're

00:05:45.920 giving some of your power away. But here's the problem. How do you teach somebody who gets

00:05:50.140 offended and likes the victim role to not play that role? Well, the question is, are there

00:05:55.380 some people that are built to just be that way forever? And there's some of us that will

00:05:58.400 want it, that will seek growth and try and get beyond that. And is it worth you trying

00:06:02.000 to teach it? Twitter, find the victim tribe. I'll tell you what, everybody to some extent

00:06:07.060 has issues with this sometimes. Both sides of the political spectrum will have issues

00:06:11.580 with this as well. People get offended for their particular thing. God forbid you say

00:06:16.740 something about the military, now you're against veterans, right? That's the right. Or God

00:06:20.780 forbid you don't agree with people kneeling during the national anthem. Well, now you're

00:06:25.160 a racist. And both sides like to identify with these things and people like to become

00:06:29.700 victims. And they talk about how easy it is for you to get offended, but they don't

00:06:32.820 look at themselves. Nobody likes to look at themselves. The irony in these arguments is

00:06:37.420 really, and I know I'm guilty of it too. I'm not talking about just other people, right?

00:06:40.780 We all are. We all do this. I mean, even to the degree that we're doing it right now,

00:06:43.360 like, are we offended about people being offended? You know what I mean?

00:06:46.940 Right, right, right. It's really hard not to fall into this trap for sure.

00:06:49.700 See, I just laugh about it. That's my attitude. It's like the way I even look at politics.

00:06:53.480 I look at politics and it just makes me chuckle. It's like listening. You struck one right

00:06:57.660 there. We're talking about right now, all over media is the whole Donald Trump, the

00:07:02.340 kneeling at the football game and all that shit with the NFL that's going on. It's just

00:07:05.920 like, really what we're talking about is what it has nothing really to do about. What it

00:07:10.620 really has to do about is probably something totally that nobody even realizes. Like Donald

00:07:14.000 Trump had some lawsuit 15, 20 years ago with the NFL that went sour. This is true. That

00:07:18.620 actually didn't go over well.

00:07:19.700 And just recently the news came out with the CTE with what's his face, the tight end that

00:07:27.040 killed himself. Hernandez. Hernandez. So now Donald Trump being in the position that he

00:07:32.540 is right now sees an opportunity to get a little jab at the NFL because here they are

00:07:37.340 in a weak situation with this whole talk about CTE. So he comes out with a statement knowing

00:07:42.640 damn well what he's going to do. And then now all of a sudden all the rest of us are screaming

00:07:47.200 racism. We're calling racism and who's this and that and bigots and we're all going all this

00:07:52.080 shit that's getting crazy when reality it's just nothing to do with it. I think this is the

00:07:56.160 problem though with like mainstream media. We were talking about this a minute ago how

00:07:59.420 we start to decentralize a lot of this through social media frankly and the podcast that we're

00:08:04.220 doing right now and everything else. And I think there's power in the common man quote

00:08:07.920 unquote the common man being able to have a voice which he frankly didn't have even what

00:08:12.400 20 years ago. I think there's a plus ever growing. I think there's a good side to that

00:08:15.660 and I think but I do think there's also some dangers to that as well because there's good for

00:08:20.820 the common man having a voice. Sure. But then there's bad for the common man sometimes.

00:08:24.920 Everybody. People who shouldn't have a voice. It also distorts a reality many times. You know

00:08:31.380 when I see you know the reason why a police brutality video goes viral is specifically because

00:08:38.540 most people most people find it horrendous. Otherwise it wouldn't go viral. Sure. Most people

00:08:43.580 think it's horrible. I think any sane person would probably feel that way. Most people do that but

00:08:48.280 when you see it all over the place you our primitive brains think that that's the average.

00:08:54.700 Right. That's what's happening. It's almost like I think about it from this context like

00:08:58.600 if you go buy a brand new vehicle for example you don't see any of those vehicles out on

00:09:03.600 the road. You go buy that vehicle and then they're on every street corner. You see it all

00:09:06.240 the time. It's like no they were there before. Yeah. For some reason it's just it's in your

00:09:10.720 mind now and so you see it more. There was a famous study. I don't know when the movie

00:09:14.280 Jaws came out. It was 19 what was it 78 or something like that. It was right around

00:09:17.600 that time right. They did some interesting studies where they would do these surveys

00:09:21.280 asking people are more shark attacks happening because what happened after Jaws is shark attacks

00:09:27.180 then got publicity and the perception the public perception was that shark attacks were going

00:09:32.800 through the roof when in reality shark attacks are extremely stable. All year it's the same

00:09:38.000 and it's extremely rare. You definitely see the same thing with social media right like certain

00:09:42.580 people are getting you know like eyes and there's a spotlight now and a lot of problems

00:09:47.620 but you know they might be like a little micro problem but now they have like a huge voice and

00:09:51.880 they have people to rally around. Yeah. It's good and it's bad right. It presents a problem

00:09:56.820 and that's important you know and we all have to kind of sift through how we're going to deal

00:10:01.580 with all these like impending issues all over the place. It's stressful. We are wired for bad news.

00:10:08.120 We're supposed to. That's the point right. We're trying to fix things right. Get better. So we got

00:10:12.300 to look for that. And it's evolutionarily it's advantageous. So you're in a tribe or a tight

00:10:16.400 society. Bad shit goes down. It happens in your neighborhood. You need to know and you need to

00:10:22.180 find out what happened. Everything about it. We all need to rally and stop this. So that you can survive

00:10:26.420 right. Sure. But because society is so massive now that some kid gets kidnapped and you know a

00:10:33.300 thousand miles away and you see it on the news all over the place all of a sudden now you're like

00:10:37.600 fuck it's so dangerous. Well we talked about this before. The last podcast we did we talked about how

00:10:41.540 we used to run around the park and not our parents would kick us out of the house for the entire day

00:10:45.800 and now we're so scared to death that our kids are gonna get kidnapped but we're really in reality

00:10:50.240 we're in safer times now than what we were back when we were kids. There's a website called

00:10:55.420 humanprogress.org. I hope that's the right website. Maybe someone could look it up while I'm talking.

00:11:00.080 But this is a website that posts real objective statistics and this is what I always implore

00:11:06.580 people to do and this is what I do for myself because I am not immune to this. I am also human

00:11:12.380 and my brain likes to construct its own realities all the time and what I like to do is I like to

00:11:18.540 look at objective data because data doesn't give a shit about your emotions or your feelings or your

00:11:24.580 experience. I'm gonna look at the actual data so what does the data say about police brutality or

00:11:31.800 what does the data say about terrorism or what does the data say about the economy or opportunities

00:11:38.180 forget what the politicians are saying forget what the media says let's look at the actual data and

00:11:44.160 this particular website will show you real data and show you that today for pretty much anything it's

00:11:50.540 the best time to be alive especially if you're a minority or a woman especially but for everybody

00:11:55.920 this is the best time to be alive across the board but you wouldn't think that you wouldn't think that

00:12:01.020 because the media tends to be so absolutely negative. What really gets me angry and I need to realize I

00:12:06.820 gotta figure out why it pisses me off so bad but the one thing that really pisses me off more than

00:12:10.220 anything is fake outrage. I really cannot stand fake outrage. You know we're seeing some of it now with

00:12:18.900 this whole and you know that what's going on with the NFL you're seeing it on both sides. Sure. On the right

00:12:23.520 you're seeing this don't you know how dare you you know offend or disgrace our veterans. Why do you call it fake?

00:12:28.620 What do you mean by fake? I'll tell you what I mean. So what I mean by fake outrage is okay so if we look at

00:12:33.400 what's happening with the NFL people kneeling in front of them. Well example of that would be LeBron James

00:12:37.980 coming out and doing a speech on it and you could tell that he has no clue or can't fathom

00:12:42.960 whatsoever racial inequality whatsoever and then he gets out there and you know that he's not speaking

00:12:47.660 from his heart. He's being told from his PR that he's the face of the NBA. This is a major thing

00:12:53.360 going on. Well you want to talk about privilege. He's a massive massive extremely athletic gifted human

00:12:59.600 being who went to the NBA right out of high school. Right. Has got whatever he wants is you know

00:13:05.660 kicking ass and so he's experiencing life in a bubble. But you know what I was going to point

00:13:10.040 to the other one the other side of it was all this outrage over when you're kneeling during the

00:13:14.600 anthem you're offending our veterans and I really care about our veterans when the real issues are

00:13:20.120 the suicide rate among the veterans is through the roof. It's what it's it's the leading cause of

00:13:25.420 death. Right. Look at the VA hospitals. Yeah. And you've got people waiting and waiting forever to get

00:13:30.320 treatment dying of curable conditions. Look at the homelessness rate among veterans. Nobody gives

00:13:36.880 a shit but have someone kneel in front of the TV and all of a sudden they care about the

00:13:40.480 Tim Kennedy made a post on I know we were talking about this earlier on Twitter and he said you know

00:13:44.800 North Korea we're almost a nuclear war with North Korea. Puerto Rico's in ruins. We've got Houston and

00:13:49.700 we've got Florida and all these actual issues and we're wrapped up in something that you know frankly

00:13:54.960 in probably the next 30 days or whatever really won't be on anybody's rate. It's the same thing with

00:13:59.900 the the confederate flag thing was an issue for a while. Cecil the lion. You remember Cecil the lion?

00:14:04.660 Oh my gosh. Where's Cecil the lion? Nobody cares now right? Because it's not it's no longer

00:14:09.540 relevant or or the media doesn't tell us to focus on this stuff. No and you know what really makes me

00:14:15.580 super almost frightened and there's a saying that kind of sums this all up and it's something like

00:14:20.820 hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good time make weak men, weak men make bad

00:14:27.660 times, bad times make strong men. Sure. And it's the cycle right and I almost feel like we're in the

00:14:33.140 good times make weak men or make weak people type of deal. That's a good point. Yeah. We have we

00:14:38.680 haven't suffered from a pandemic of illness in a long time. Right. We haven't had a major like a war

00:14:46.360 that's really impacted us here at the homeland for a long time. World War II I'd say was probably the

00:14:50.780 last one. Vietnam was quite impactful as well but that was the last one where we got drafted. We don't

00:14:56.180 experience. People talk about how politically charged the climate is and how you know people

00:15:01.600 are getting you know are so violent and things are so crazy and Trump is getting people to go all

00:15:06.840 the way on this side and we're so divided. Did people forget what the 60s were like? The

00:15:11.580 assassinations of these you know these these pro these these speaker like there was someone

00:15:16.660 getting assassinated every other week. You had you know John Lennon and Martin Luther King

00:15:19.840 and Malcolm X and all these leaders getting assassinated. You had the CAA and the FBI you know

00:15:24.940 spying on each other. Yeah. You had presidents getting assassinated. Right. You had nukes

00:15:29.440 pointed at us ready to go off. From Cuba. Did we forget like five seconds ago? Shit was

00:15:35.600 really going down. So let me ask you this then like what's the what's the point? You

00:15:39.720 know what I mean? Like what I mean by that is what do we do? Like what do we do with this

00:15:44.060 information? If somebody's listening they're like yeah it's not that bad or we're

00:15:48.060 supposed to be or we're being divided you know and this divisiveness. Okay so what do we

00:15:52.620 do? Like do we keep on just living? Do we put our head in the sand? Do we make some

00:15:56.380 stands? Like what is it that we do? Realize that the vast this is a truth. This is a

00:16:01.700 fundamental truth that the vast majority of people are are fundamentally good. I

00:16:07.620 don't mean they're perfect. Nobody's perfect. Sure. But the vast majority of

00:16:11.120 people are fundamentally good. If they weren't society would not succeed. Right. If

00:16:15.980 they weren't free societies would not rule the world which they do. Free society is the

00:16:19.800 most successful because you give people freedom for the most part they will work

00:16:24.440 together to pursue their own self-interest and you flourish. And if you start to

00:16:28.600 realize that and understand that then things start to tend they tend to work

00:16:32.640 out a little bit. People tend to work together. You know we talk about the

00:16:35.300 violence and you know the divisiveness in the Middle East between the Islam and

00:16:40.900 the Jews and the Christians. There was a period of time and I can't remember

00:16:44.480 where and I wish I can. Usually I remember these things but there was a place in the

00:16:48.060 Middle East and I can't remember where it was but it lasted for about a thousand

00:16:50.680 years where Jews Christians and Muslims never went to war never killed each other

00:16:56.700 and the reason why was because this area this was a free merchant area where there

00:17:01.960 were no taxes no nothing. Capitalism man. Yeah. And people they worked together to

00:17:06.360 pursue their self-interest and they got along. Right. It's the same reason why we

00:17:09.240 trading goods and interacting with other people. I mean that's that's something

00:17:12.980 that you know it's an easy conversation to have and you understand immediately and you

00:17:18.160 have this agreement this untold like interaction between another human being. Don't you guys

00:17:22.260 believe we're heading that way with companies like Thrive Market, Uber? Like we're trying

00:17:26.840 to take like government out of things and we're finding ways to create. To work together.

00:17:31.560 To work together and trade. Internationally and in the world. You know you talk about the

00:17:35.560 world becoming bigger and it's becoming smaller in a lot of ways too right? And commerce

00:17:39.680 is becoming easier. Democracy is spreading across the planet. Capitalism is spreading

00:17:44.080 across the planet. Yeah absolutely. It's the reason why China poses a minuscule fraction

00:17:49.800 of a threat to us and their communists versus the Soviet Union which was a major threat to

00:17:54.820 us. Yeah. It's because we trade with China. Right. China would destroy themselves if they

00:17:59.620 destroyed us and vice versa and we work together. Of course China takes a much more capitalistic

00:18:04.040 approach than the Soviets do and they're much more successful as a result. But I do think we're

00:18:08.300 going that way Adam. Unfortunately I don't, my personal view is I don't think we're going

00:18:12.960 to get there peacefully. I think that there's a lot of people who don't like that. They

00:18:17.640 don't like losing that kind of power. But why is that? Why do you think, I mean you think

00:18:20.940 about capitalism, free markets, individualism, liberty, all the words that we use and yet I

00:18:26.740 still have people that email me and message me that I'm the devil or I'm immoral because I

00:18:33.980 take people's money and I have a business. What's the deal? You're not living in reality.

00:18:38.980 You know what's funny? I saw a poster. It was a liberal, I'll use quotation marks, poster

00:18:44.120 and it said, what if we all just grew food and then whenever we needed something, if I

00:18:50.040 had a carrot and you had an apple, I traded my carrot for your apple. And I'm like, congratulations.

00:18:55.100 That's capitalism. And that's the thing is that I think it's been so bastardized and

00:19:03.240 so skewed that people fail to realize what's really going on here. Money is nothing more

00:19:09.680 than representation of goods. Money gives me the ability to trade with someone who has

00:19:16.080 something that I want but I don't have necessarily a good that they want so I just give them money

00:19:20.120 for it. And it's only as valuable as we collectively decide that that dollar is worth.

00:19:24.640 That's it. That's it. So money really isn't the root of all evil. It's not money and it's

00:19:29.120 not even necessarily greed. It's power. Greed is inherent in all of us. I love it when people

00:19:34.480 say, you know, you're so greedy but they never look at themselves. Of course, you know, they

00:19:38.560 live in a house with three bedrooms and they have, you know, ten pairs of shoes and that

00:19:41.580 doesn't make you greedy. Three cars and yeah. Like everybody's, you know, everybody's got

00:19:44.800 that in them but I definitely think that the future is moving in that direction but I think

00:19:49.800 there's going to be a lot of resistance because that decentralization of power does not allow

00:19:54.860 for the centralization of, you know, money like we see now.

00:19:58.940 That's why you're going to see companies like Facebook, Amazon, Google. They're going to

00:20:04.020 separate themselves and I don't know how familiar you are. This is our backyard, right? Silicon

00:20:09.160 Valley is where all this is happening and, you know, Katrina, my girlfriend, is a, you know,

00:20:14.600 project manager for the largest concrete company in the Bay Area and so I get to kind of

00:20:19.200 see the behind the scenes of these massive worlds these companies are building and they're

00:20:25.360 creating these intergalactic spaceships. I call them worlds because within them are all

00:20:33.940 the things that we need as a society to survive, right? Good doctors, places for entertainment,

00:20:39.260 to shop for food, all these things within the community and these companies like Apple Pay,

00:20:44.740 they're coming up with their own type of currency and what you're going to see is we don't need

00:20:49.400 to involve the government. We'll just create our own little system in here.

00:20:52.540 Yeah, we have all the things you need. Like you can sleep here.

00:20:54.660 So how do you see, I mean, how do you see, because here's the deal, the government is going

00:20:58.380 to fight against that, right? It's going with self-preservation.

00:21:00.840 I don't know. You have to ask yourself questions like this or are they already working with the

00:21:04.620 government and they're scratching their back and they're scratching each other's back right now.

00:21:07.840 The unholy alliance. That's the worst.

00:21:10.760 Well, we talked about like, so I mean, and this is getting into, uh, you know, uh, crazy theories,

00:21:15.740 right? With the, with a new iPhone that's coming out to get the face recognition and stuff like

00:21:19.760 that. Like what if already there's already a deal?

00:21:22.640 We already got our, you know, fingerprint.

00:21:24.520 Right.

00:21:24.680 We're going to get our face.

00:21:26.300 What's left?

00:21:26.920 They got, well, they've, they've made us into numbers now too, right? I mean, with social security

00:21:30.860 numbers. So we're, yeah, I mean, they've got it all. They've got it all figured out.

00:21:33.800 Yeah. I think, um, I don't know. I think the more connected we get, I think the

00:21:37.680 better. I think the problem becomes when we start to, because of social media, social

00:21:42.140 media does, does have a tendency to present to you information that you would like to

00:21:47.400 hear.

00:21:47.840 Right.

00:21:48.160 And so it just, it creates, it creates bubbles around you. So then you start to not,

00:21:53.860 can it radicalize your idea? I think it can. I don't know if there's necessarily evidence

00:21:58.020 to support that. Uh, but I do think that if you're exposed to the same ideas over and

00:22:02.060 over again, you forget, you know, that there's other ideas.

00:22:05.120 So here's a, here's an interesting thing. I made a post this morning on Facebook or

00:22:09.100 Instagram or wherever I was. And I made a post of the books that I was reading on a

00:22:12.300 plane. And, uh, I was reading old man in the sea and I'm trying to think of the other

00:22:16.860 ones I was reading. Anyways, reading a couple others. And then I posted a Bill Nye book.

00:22:20.920 I got so much backlash on the, Oh, Bill Nye. I can't live. I'm like, I don't have to agree

00:22:26.640 with a man to be curious about what the guy has to say. Right. Like I get, I've read

00:22:30.400 Hitler. I've read Saul Alinsky. I don't agree with what those guys say. And yet I read that

00:22:35.220 stuff. It's okay to consume new information. Aristotle says it's the, uh, it's the mark

00:22:39.500 of an educated man to entertain an idea without accepting it.

00:22:43.840 Oh, I love that. Definitely. Absolutely love that. We, and we talk about that. I think,

00:22:47.240 and that's the future of learning and growing too, I believe with this generation coming

00:22:51.960 up is like Sal saying, there's so much confirmation bias when you, you start Google searching and

00:22:56.840 not only the stuff that you're searching, it's going to be stuff that you've searched similar

00:23:00.280 to or before. Cause those people like that. So now it comes on your page, everything on

00:23:03.780 the right side of your bar is all the same things getting marked. And the company's not

00:23:06.780 thinking about that. I was going to say like you can market through that. Like awesome.

00:23:10.520 Like if you're a business, it's like, I'm connecting to all these people already want my shit.

00:23:14.700 It's happening. And so what will be needed by the generation coming up and what they'll have

00:23:19.500 to do is they'll have to seek that you'll have to learn. And I feel like we're part of the

00:23:23.860 generation that's having to learn to do that. I believe because we're

00:23:26.680 old enough to have had it before, like, you know, 10 years ago, none of this stuff really

00:23:30.000 existed. So we've kind of learned that and we see that. So anytime I read anything that

00:23:35.280 I feel passionately about, I always look for a book that's like the opposite. And then from

00:23:40.000 there I come up with what I feel passionate about or my own idea. But I think that as soon

00:23:44.600 as you feel yourself identifying with any sort of ideologies or theories or whatever dogmas,

00:23:49.800 like once you start attaching yourself to something that right away should be your first sign

00:23:54.140 that I should challenge myself and look into something that's completely opposite.

00:23:57.160 And that has become stronger because technology is such a powerful tool. It's like fire. You

00:24:02.300 know, it's got the, it's got the ability to warm us and cook our food for us, but it's

00:24:05.980 also got the ability to burn us. Social media really has the power to allow people to find

00:24:14.320 other like-minded people and create these false, like, like the flat earth society. There's

00:24:20.100 no fucking way it would be that big if it wasn't for social media and the internet.

00:24:24.740 Some guy just drawn in on a map like, come on guys, like this is how it is.

00:24:27.880 Like they found each other.

00:24:29.000 The universe goes around us.

00:24:32.760 Grant, stay with me.

00:24:33.780 They found each other. They feel more important now and now they think, oh, this is true and

00:24:37.940 it's a Scrant conspiracy.

00:24:39.360 And they're lifting each other up and yeah.

00:24:41.360 Oh yeah.

00:24:41.680 So it's a very interesting kind of-

00:24:43.940 It's not strange.

00:24:44.280 Yeah. It's very, very strange. But I do think, I do think that the future, whether

00:24:49.260 we like it or not, is going to be far more even free market than, than what we experience

00:24:55.140 now only because technology is making it impossible to regulate.

00:24:58.460 Absolutely.

00:24:58.700 There's no way to regulate. And the argument against free markets in the past was what they

00:25:03.620 call the information problem, which is, you know, if I'm selling snake oil in this town,

00:25:08.100 by the time everybody finds out, I move to the next town. They never heard about it.

00:25:11.720 But that's not an issue anymore.

00:25:12.900 It's instantaneous.

00:25:13.740 I can't get away with that anymore.

00:25:14.780 It's so instant now that nothing, it's the fastest regulation we have.

00:25:19.160 Right.

00:25:19.480 It's the reason why your Uber drivers are superior to your taxi drivers and why it's

00:25:24.120 exploding because-

00:25:25.220 And why taxi drivers fight against Uber drivers instead of just evolving-

00:25:28.740 Right.

00:25:29.100 And learning to get better.

00:25:30.720 You know, people need to realize the biggest supporters of government regulation are industries

00:25:36.940 that are trying to protect their own interests.

00:25:38.760 Yeah.

00:25:39.160 By far, those are by far the biggest ones. So when you go in to get, you know, start a business,

00:25:43.720 and you see, you know, okay, I want to start a barber. I want to be a barbershop. Shit,

00:25:48.660 look at the list of regulations.

00:25:50.560 Pharmaceutical.

00:25:51.340 Yeah.

00:25:51.680 Yeah.

00:25:52.060 Look at the regulations. Do you know why those regulations exist in the first place?

00:25:56.200 Lobbyists.

00:25:56.600 Not to protect the consumer.

00:25:58.300 Yeah, it's lobbyists.

00:25:58.680 It's to protect the people who are already barbers. It's to keep other barbers from becoming

00:26:03.240 barbers or other people from becoming barbers.

00:26:05.040 Sure, sure.

00:26:05.500 Same reason why it costs, I don't know, what was the price for like a taxi medallion in

00:26:08.940 New York City? Something like $50,000, some ridiculous cost to become a taxi driver.

00:26:13.700 It's insane. Now Uber's, you know, just kicking their ass. And so I think the future is just

00:26:18.540 more and more like that. I think patents are going to be completely obsolete.

00:26:22.040 What do you guys think? I'm really curious about what you think about, I know there's

00:26:26.960 concern about technology and the advancement of society and technology and, oh, we're

00:26:30.900 going to get our jobs.

00:26:31.060 I just read a great book. I just read a great book on those lines.

00:26:34.140 Yeah, I'm really curious.

00:26:35.400 Irresistible by Adam Atler. Adam Atler? Something like that. I think it's Adam. Adam

00:26:39.740 something or Atler.

00:26:41.580 Just go with it.

00:26:42.180 Yeah, one or the other.

00:26:43.540 You know what you mean.

00:26:44.440 Irresistible was an incredible read. And I just had never thought of it like this deep

00:26:50.000 before. And they go into talking about technology and especially social media and everything

00:26:54.620 we're talking about right now. And that we really only have 10 years to go from to really

00:26:59.980 like try and figure out like what's really happening.

00:27:02.680 If that, I mean, if that even.

00:27:03.960 We don't.

00:27:04.520 Exactly. That's when it started.

00:27:05.540 And all they thought of was engineering ways to get you hooked on it.

00:27:09.120 Right. And they actually, so they talk about this in the book. They go through like all

00:27:12.500 the, like the Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, all the big, big guys that were all a part

00:27:16.320 of the early years. And, um, I was fascinated when they, when it talks about how most of

00:27:21.860 them, none of their kids are even allowed to use any tools or they're, they're, they're

00:27:25.940 totally, uh, regulated on how much they allow them to use them because they know they engineered

00:27:31.500 them to be highly addictive.

00:27:33.100 Of course.

00:27:33.720 And so all this, all the research is pointing that the, um, but behavioral addiction that's

00:27:39.580 happening from these tools is greater than cocaine, heroin, drugs. And what's even worse

00:27:45.920 is think about like this. If you're addicted to, if you're a heroin addict or like a, like

00:27:51.280 into a heavy drug, it's hard to hide that.

00:27:54.000 Sure.

00:27:54.340 Right. You're going to see it on somebody like that.

00:27:56.660 Well, even you, you mentioned like being addicted to food, it like resembles that on some level,

00:28:01.380 but even worse because, you know, even with food, like you're going to see, you're going

00:28:05.940 to see the tangible results.

00:28:07.980 So think about that. And then, and then people shame them for those things. So there's this,

00:28:12.460 you know, even as much addiction we see in all those, to all these drugs and things like

00:28:16.420 that, including food, people get shamed for it. Well, we are actually embracing this reward

00:28:21.600 them, rewarding them and saying, it's okay. And saying, Oh, it's a, you know, you can make

00:28:25.360 a business out of it and justify it.

00:28:27.060 I mean, that's kind of what we do, right?

00:28:28.120 Right.

00:28:28.520 Yeah.

00:28:28.860 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 Well, so they did another study in there on what's the average time you think you are

00:28:34.260 surfing on your phone. So not using it for calling another person, but if you're on

00:28:39.100 any social media platforms, Google searching, anything like that, the average person is

00:28:43.520 on there for an average of two and a half to three hours per day. That was average. And

00:28:48.420 they picked the phone up 55 times. And it's crazy to think that not even 10 years ago.

00:28:54.440 Yeah. We didn't even have this.

00:28:55.380 Yeah. You'd have to leave me a message and I get back to you tomorrow. You know what I'm

00:28:57.820 saying? And we got, we got, okay. We made it, we made it work. You don't say we were

00:29:01.140 okay. So nobody's really talking about, we know that it's got all these great things, the,

00:29:05.580 the ability to connect so fast, but what's going to happen in 10, 20 years, what is it

00:29:10.660 doing to postures? What is it doing to social awareness and the ability to even communicate

00:29:15.680 with us?

00:29:16.020 Our brain is going to atrophy.

00:29:16.860 Yeah.

00:29:17.700 Personalities. Yeah. Right. Can be the ability to communicate with people one-on-one. Like

00:29:21.640 we don't know we now, and there's some of us that are speculating, but we don't have

00:29:26.300 a lot of research on it. And the things that are starting to come out, there's like a lot

00:29:29.720 of flags that are getting, then no one's seeing it because we're, we're celebrating it

00:29:33.260 so much. It's either going to save us or it's going to, I think it's going to destroy

00:29:37.320 us. I think.

00:29:37.820 What does that, what would that look like though? What, the destroying part?

00:29:40.460 Yeah. Well, uh, I don't know about it. Oh yeah. Oh no, no, no. I think, well, I think

00:29:44.660 the pendulum will swing really hard until, and we'll be like, Oh shit. Well, well, when

00:29:49.100 I say, when I say destroy, I mean, destroy us as we know our human form, as we know

00:29:54.460 ourselves. We could enter a kind of a post human. Well, let's see. It's getting to me.

00:30:00.240 It's like, let's look at it like history. Okay. Look at anything else. Look at it

00:30:03.660 like cigarettes. Just 20, 30 years ago, you were cool if you smoked, you know, and

00:30:08.700 even just 15 years ago, you would be used to seeing people smoking everywhere all

00:30:12.800 over the place. Now all of a sudden we're disgusted in it. Like someone's offended.

00:30:17.040 If you light up a cigarette, if you were to light a cigarette up near a restaurant, somebody

00:30:21.420 like half the restaurant now would feel offended from that. Yeah. Where that would be

00:30:25.460 the total norm just 20 years ago. So I think that's because it's, it's swaying so far.

00:30:30.220 We realized how bad it is. I don't know. I don't know. Here's my speculation. I think

00:30:33.900 it's more like it's going to be uninvasive where it's just either it's a lens or it's

00:30:38.860 something in your eye that you have an augmented reality you're interacting with. Everybody

00:30:44.240 else doesn't see you doing it because you know, now it's just like something you turn

00:30:48.300 on or you turn off. Uh, Facebook's already like creating like surrogates. Yeah. I see

00:30:53.660 that, but I mean, that's further. The second, the second is a bit further. The second they

00:30:57.200 create like robot fuck dolls, like we're screwed. Like seriously, the second, I don't think

00:31:01.120 that's that far out. We talk about this all the time. It's not at all. I mean, it might

00:31:03.420 even be, we probably have it. It is. No, it is. They're looking hotter and harder. I'm

00:31:07.660 not going to lie. I mean, they create that. We're all screwed in a good way. No, I do think

00:31:12.900 that there's some pretty dangerous potential there. I think, uh, you know, creating this hive

00:31:19.080 mind may be actually quite dangerous where we lose our individualness. Uh, or, you

00:31:24.680 know, we dive into it so deep that we stop connecting with each other in real ways. But

00:31:29.280 is that a good or a bad thing? I mean, how do you define that? I don't know. I think what

00:31:33.060 we're going to see in the next 20 or 30 years is going to be a faster change than we've seen

00:31:37.040 in the previous, in the previous 300 years. I mean, it's already been really fast. It's

00:31:41.700 very, very quick. It's very, very interesting. I do like the sharing of ideas. I will say

00:31:46.840 that a lot of the ideas that I have and a lot of the things that I've learned, I don't

00:31:51.180 know if I would necessarily have these same ideas if it wasn't for technology. You know,

00:31:56.160 I wouldn't necessarily have listened to people like Milton Friedman who has a huge impact

00:32:00.980 on me or, you know, some ideas of people who are, you never would have heard of unless

00:32:05.620 you took a particular class or you found a book and now, you know, people are sharing

00:32:09.500 it. So I think it's a very good thing, but I do think it's going to disrupt things

00:32:14.760 more than we realize. Like I was saying earlier, I think patents will be obsolete. I don't

00:32:20.620 know how you're going to be able to patent things when you'll be able to, when you'll

00:32:24.120 be able to recreate them yourselves with your own 3D printers or your own, you know, download

00:32:28.220 programs. The way that we go to school, you know, like if you could go across the board

00:32:32.480 of all these old institutions, these old ways, these old methods that we've had forever

00:32:37.160 and ever, like this whole new surge of technology is challenging everything. And so that's why I think

00:32:42.360 we all have this like big caution sign up, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, let's try and like

00:32:46.640 slow down just a little bit so we can really like focus on what is going on that's good. Let's try

00:32:52.320 and like foster that a little bit more.

00:32:54.460 If you're an entrepreneur, you have to be seeing things like this, that you got to know that the

00:32:59.500 next businesses that are going to start popping up are the ones that are my, and we see it

00:33:03.100 happening. We talk about this on the show all the time, like your float tanks, massage therapy,

00:33:07.100 yoga's, yoga's slowing down. Yoga attendance is through. I mean, I even know, like with our

00:33:12.160 business, I mean, most of what we do is digital, but we brought on live events last year. We had

00:33:17.560 two success, very successful events, because I think the more that we delve into this realm of

00:33:21.980 technology, the more people will crave personal and individual and face-to-face type attention. And

00:33:28.300 that will become a new commodity. I think there'll be institutes or places or businesses that will

00:33:33.120 have to teach people how to do that. Probably, yeah. Because they're going to become, that's what I

00:33:36.840 mean. Well, look at like, look at what, I mean, Jordan, you guys are friends with Jordan with Art

00:33:40.040 of Charm. I mean, that's what they teach, right? That social capital, they're teaching guys how to

00:33:45.220 network and have conversations and get jobs. That's why we hit it off with him so much. I mean,

00:33:50.020 I saw how forward thinking that was. It's like, bro, that business is going to just continue to

00:33:54.240 climb because there's going to be more and more of a need for that. It's not just about dating.

00:33:57.040 There's already a need for it. It's the reason why he's so successful and it's going to just

00:34:00.420 continue to grow because the more we become connected, and that's why I don't think it's

00:34:04.900 going to be the end of our existence or anything crazy. I think we're going to push the limits like

00:34:08.860 we do with fucking everything. And then at one point, we're all going to go like, whoa, shit,

00:34:13.200 this is a little out of control. I almost wonder if it's like, it's like a case of like, oh, those

00:34:17.540 darn kids, you know, the generations have said over and over and over again. Every generation says it,

00:34:21.980 don't they? Yeah, for sure. And then we look back, we're like, actually, that was pretty good.

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00:35:37.640 with Sal, Adam and Justin. You know, the website that you gave earlier and it shows, you know,

00:35:44.380 violence is down. Poverty is down. Crime is down. Right. And, and so it's actually getting better.

00:35:51.200 Although the generation before us says, or even we catch ourselves saying, oh, millennials, they're

00:35:56.140 lazy and they're pieces of shit. It's like, you know, are they? I don't know. There's a bunch of

00:36:00.920 millionaires on YouTube, uh, you know, doing things that we're like, what, how are you making so much

00:36:05.920 money doing that? Yeah. Opening presents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a different value system.

00:36:11.940 It's different. It's a different, uh, landscape. Yeah. I love that site. Some of my favorite ones that I,

00:36:17.160 during, uh, it wasn't that long ago where we have this whole gun control debate that tends to pop up

00:36:21.000 every once in a while. Sure. And I love people showing the statistic, the two objective statistics

00:36:26.040 of gun ownership in America has exploded over the last 10 years and total gun violence has dropped.

00:36:31.760 Yeah. And I love showing people that going, if it made that big of a difference, then where the

00:36:36.340 fuck is it? Look at the numbers, man. And then people, but then people, no statistics, 93% of

00:36:41.420 statistics are made up. You know what I mean? They're like, they're like, no, that's not true.

00:36:45.400 Cause I don't believe that. You know what I mean? And it could come back to their own baggage. You

00:36:49.460 know, maybe, maybe they suffered from a violent gun crime or somebody they know was shot or, and so

00:36:55.040 that skews our perspective. Right. Again, though, that we go back to that, that's that more of the

00:36:58.660 self-reflection, like being able to do that. Like anytime you've get this emotional state change

00:37:03.200 where all of a sudden I feel like, Oh my God, I feel so passionate. And you want to make a stand

00:37:06.380 all of us. I think everybody has to do that. And I think if you don't, then you get stuck,

00:37:11.720 you get stuck and you just keep confirming your own beliefs when in reality you're getting,

00:37:16.240 you're not growing at all. Cause you can't, you can't let go of that. Yeah. I went, I went

00:37:19.740 through a period of time where probably a good five years where I would get on forums and I

00:37:26.680 would have discussions and debates with people who had opposing views. Now my goal wasn't to

00:37:32.800 go on there and troll. Right. Or to, to, to argue and win. No, I would seek out good rational

00:37:39.480 discussion and I would thank people and inevitably I'd piss off a lot of people because a lot of

00:37:43.740 people don't like people challenging their views or ideas. But every once in a while I would get

00:37:48.600 someone that would have a really good discussion with me. And there were a few times where I changed

00:37:53.580 my mind. There were a few times where I said, Oh shit, like I could see your point of view with

00:37:58.720 that particular, you know, stance and I could see where you, you come up with that. But the one thing

00:38:03.380 that I did learn is that, you know, when people have these differing views, it's usually because

00:38:09.220 people just want what's better, what they think is better for everybody. So everybody's for the

00:38:14.460 most part is coming from a good place. Right. Intentions, right. Intentions tend to be good.

00:38:19.040 Right. So it's almost like, okay, well we're starting from a good common ground. Why can't we just,

00:38:23.820 then emotions come. Why can't we just discuss ideas? This is what's a little scary. We talk about

00:38:28.340 millennials. I'll tell you what scares the shit out of me about millennials is that you're seeing more

00:38:32.600 and more their inability to listen or debate opposing views. Right. They are shutting down

00:38:39.440 speech before it even happens. Right. And I would like to tell them, listen, man, one of the best

00:38:45.300 ways to shut down bad ideas is to debate them publicly and to win. By silencing them, what happens

00:38:54.000 is you end up getting people on their side because they see that you're not letting someone speak and

00:38:58.060 we tend to value the freedom of speech. And that's what scares me a little bit about this

00:39:02.260 generation is like, they don't want to even, you can't even come here and talk. You know what I

00:39:07.680 mean? We're not even going to let you, we're going to protest that. Yeah. It's like, let them talk

00:39:11.080 and debate them and have a good discussion and show everybody how right you are. Maybe you are wrong.

00:39:15.440 It was interesting. I watched a video. This, this was probably maybe, I don't know, maybe two or

00:39:19.120 three weeks ago. And it was a, uh, it was a Trump supporter rally and the Black Lives Matter

00:39:24.700 movement showed up and they showed up to cause trouble, right? And I'm thinking both of them

00:39:29.480 were going back and forth at it. And, uh, Trump supporters said, you know what, come up here and

00:39:34.480 we'll give you two minutes to share your idea. And this guy got up, he was well-spoken, shared some

00:39:39.860 of his ideas. Some of it I said, yeah, I agree with that. Others I was like, no, I don't agree with

00:39:43.060 that. And the crowd felt the same way. So they would cheer and they would boo and everything else.

00:39:46.440 But I thought having that dialogue was pretty intriguing. And they respected each other. Exactly. And then

00:39:50.080 afterwards, everybody was like, okay, they were cool. They were respecting each other. Yeah. And

00:39:54.980 it was all good. And that's, I think that's the thing that, that I have a little bit of fear of is

00:39:59.840 I'm seeing more and more of the justification of violence against ideas, which is a bad thing.

00:40:07.460 Even no matter how bad the idea is, when you start to become violent against that person,

00:40:12.420 you're the one now with the worst idea, which is applying that violence. But also what ends up

00:40:16.540 happening is you get this interesting situation where they will demonize somebody to the point

00:40:23.460 where it justifies violence against them. So if you call somebody a Nazi, even though they're

00:40:29.560 not, let's just say they believe in, you know, they have conservative values or whatever, you

00:40:33.160 want to call them a Nazi. Well, a real Nazi, nobody, everybody thinks it's okay to punch a

00:40:37.160 Nazi in the face and kill them. So it makes, so why don't I just keep calling you a Nazi? So

00:40:41.540 now that we can, instead, I'm not going to listen to you now because you're Hitler. You're

00:40:44.120 literally Hitler. Yeah. And now I can physically. These false accusations that, that people make

00:40:48.460 and yeah, it can be real damaging for sure. It's not just damaging. It's, it's damaging

00:40:52.860 to personal reputations, but really it's damaging to dialogue, which is not good. Dialogue

00:40:59.140 is, and it's always been like, you know, and it's definitely been this way for a long

00:41:02.860 time. It's the whole, it's funny because the colleges used to be where kids would fight

00:41:08.820 for freedom of expression. Right. Right. Now they're shutting it down. They're shutting

00:41:12.980 it down. The thing is though, we have tools like the one we're on right now that I feel

00:41:16.860 like will break through that. So even though there's going to be the silence and not wanting

00:41:21.220 that, that maybe those people personally aren't going to get anywhere, but there's places now

00:41:26.280 that we didn't have when we were kids to seek out knowledge. Like I'm not going to just

00:41:31.040 let this guy silence this. I'm going to seek out this information. And now you have it at

00:41:35.420 your fingertips all the time. And we didn't have that before. So, and the only way you're

00:41:40.700 going to get any traction is if you actually have a really good why behind your message.

00:41:44.220 And that's, I mean, look at the success that mind pump had. I mean, we didn't know what

00:41:47.780 the fuck we were doing. We got into podcasting because we had a message that we were passionate

00:41:52.300 about. We've been in the industry for almost 20 years. All of us, we've seen all the bullshit.

00:41:57.080 We did all the bullshit. We were bad trainers. We gave bad advice. We lived all of that.

00:42:02.260 And it's, there's an epidemic there because people don't realize the people that are making

00:42:07.340 all decisions. These, the covers of magazines, the big supplement companies, you know, big

00:42:12.380 herba, big pharma are controlling all this stuff and the messages that are getting out

00:42:16.440 there. And people don't realize that. And we were part of the problem. And now we care

00:42:19.960 about being a part of the solution. And I think if we didn't have that message, there's no

00:42:23.860 way we didn't do any marketing or advertising. People found us.

00:42:26.600 No, our show wouldn't, wouldn't exist without, if it didn't resonate with, if it didn't, if

00:42:30.020 it didn't resonate with people, people weren't seeking for it. We wouldn't exist

00:42:33.740 because we didn't sell ourselves. Well, the only way, the only way before would have been

00:42:37.600 to get into like muscle and fitness magazine or flex or spend a ton of money and a ton

00:42:42.120 of resource and time and energy. And if I wasn't selling their supplements, I definitely

00:42:45.900 wouldn't get a page. Right. How cool is that? We were, we all looked at each other and said,

00:42:49.760 listen, you know, we have other jobs. We don't need to rely on this thing. We ain't, we

00:42:53.460 ain't signing with nobody. We ain't taking money from nothing that we do. We don't believe

00:42:56.980 in that they don't align with our message. We were able to do that. We were able to do

00:43:01.120 that. Stay true to ourselves. Continue to deliver that message. We did not have to

00:43:04.380 market and push. It was a sacrifice. And I think, you know, a lot, sometimes people

00:43:07.680 just, they don't realize that, yeah, it's going to be a sacrifice. You know, if you want

00:43:10.900 to stand for something, you're going to have to go through those times.

00:43:14.220 But this is my belief. This is my belief in why it's going to be good still. Like why

00:43:17.860 times are still going to be good in 10, 20, 30 years when, when it may seem like all

00:43:22.520 those, I think those things are happening. I think you're right, Sal. I think it's getting

00:43:25.620 worse and it will get worse. It's going to get worse before it gets better. But at the

00:43:28.620 same time, you're going to have this other side of those that are knowledge seekers and

00:43:32.000 that people that want more and that know there's more than this. And I think more and more,

00:43:36.340 and that, you know, to give a little defense to the millennials, I think that they're better

00:43:41.960 at that than we are. They're like, we're learning. I had to learn this. Like I had to learn how

00:43:46.360 to use YouTube. I had to learn how to use these things. They were born and raised with it.

00:43:50.360 They're like this with it. You know what I'm saying? So they can find what they want to find

00:43:53.760 really quick if they really want to.

00:43:55.180 That's a very good point. And if you look at every great movement in history, it was

00:43:59.240 always met with a loud opposition. You know, every, you know, revolution, the industrial

00:44:05.180 revolution, the Renaissance, um, now we're in the age of information, you're getting a

00:44:10.340 lot of that pushback. But I think what typically comes out of it so far, we've got a pretty

00:44:14.780 good record of, you know, of coming out of it and growing.

00:44:17.500 I mean, you even think about the American revolution. I don't know the statistic, but I remember seeing

00:44:21.760 this a while ago, how low it was, uh, how many patriots there actually were versus loyalists.

00:44:28.200 Not very many.

00:44:28.940 Not very many. And yet here we are 200 and some odd years later in this pretty cool experiment.

00:44:34.360 Talk about a group of radicals.

00:44:35.700 For sure.

00:44:36.340 You know what I mean?

00:44:36.920 For sure.

00:44:37.240 Yeah.

00:44:37.480 During a time of monarchs.

00:44:38.740 Yeah. And I think part of, you know, along the same thread lines that we're talking about

00:44:42.680 too, is, is I think we also see some of the same issues when it comes to politics, the

00:44:47.660 two party system, for example, like I have to be in this camp or this camp because we

00:44:53.380 all think one or the other.

00:44:54.540 I don't communicate with them over there.

00:44:55.140 Right. And then even voting. I mean, I think this is, I think this is horrible. Just straight

00:44:59.300 ticket. Democrat, Republican, whatever. And it's like, you don't even have to worry or

00:45:04.240 understand the issues. You just vote straight ticket.

00:45:06.420 Yeah. I'm on this team.

00:45:07.600 That's a horrible option.

00:45:08.360 So I got a story for you. So I think it was in the 1980s. This is a famous example of what

00:45:14.180 we're talking about. In the 1980s, I believe it was the 80s, Coke and Pepsi actually made

00:45:19.920 an agreement to debate each other or fight each other through ad wars. The cola wars,

00:45:25.600 they called it throughout the 80s. And you guys, you remember, we all grew up during that

00:45:28.360 time where it was, which one's the better cola? Pepsi or Coke? And they had taste tests

00:45:33.360 and Pepsi's better and Coke is better. As a result, Coke and Pepsi's share of the market

00:45:38.600 grew and the share of the market for things like 7up, Sprite, and all these other drinks,

00:45:44.180 banks dropped considerably because people were presented with the false dichotomy of you

00:45:50.040 got to pick Pepsi or Coke.

00:45:52.320 It's one or that. Nothing else.

00:45:53.240 This is a very, very powerful psychological trick that the political system has used for

00:46:00.380 a long time. And it's why we think we have to pick one or the other. In fact, one of the

00:46:05.540 only times you'll see the two parties work together, besides when they're doing their crony

00:46:09.240 capitalism thing and working with these other companies, one of the only times they work

00:46:12.400 together is when another political party or another person starts to make waves.

00:46:15.860 Right, third party or something else.

00:46:16.760 They both shut them down.

00:46:17.940 Yeah.

00:46:18.520 Is that why you don't think independent or third party has worked in the past because

00:46:22.040 of the power of the two parties?

00:46:23.580 Oh, my God.

00:46:24.400 Both of them.

00:46:24.960 But you see, internet and social media are changing that.

00:46:27.660 Changing that.

00:46:28.040 Well, I mean, look at Trump. That's a perfect example.

00:46:31.060 Nobody wanted Trump to win.

00:46:32.540 Oh, right?

00:46:33.140 That was crazy.

00:46:34.120 Kid Rock is running for Congress in 2018.

00:46:36.480 What? I did not know that.

00:46:37.760 You didn't know that?

00:46:38.220 I did not know that.

00:46:40.820 Peyton Manning, The Rock, all these guys.

00:46:43.540 The Rock. I'm calling Rock will be the president in the next 12 years.

00:46:46.700 I mean, Peyton Manning is likable, but why would he want to get involved in that?

00:46:50.460 That's the next step for guys like that that have made those levels of accomplishment.

00:46:54.500 I guess he's trying to do something.

00:46:54.980 Bro, what's bigger than the Super Bowl?

00:46:56.660 Yeah, I'm the president now.

00:46:57.440 That's the only thing that gets bigger than the Super Bowl.

00:46:59.120 Super Bowl president.

00:47:00.220 I think that's the natural progression.

00:47:02.220 I want an oval office.

00:47:04.540 That's what I need next.

00:47:05.560 Right?

00:47:05.780 And I think The Rock, same thing.

00:47:07.660 I think that's just the natural progression.

00:47:09.240 That's ridiculous.

00:47:09.980 I would never want that job.

00:47:11.860 I don't understand that.

00:47:13.200 I see guys enter, and I've got friends who are entering the political arena, and I'm like,

00:47:16.800 why?

00:47:17.960 We'll have something to say.

00:47:19.720 Do it a different way.

00:47:21.340 Write a letter.

00:47:23.180 Do a podcast.

00:47:24.260 Yeah, do a podcast.

00:47:25.460 Do it a different way.

00:47:27.700 100%.

00:47:28.140 Yeah, it's an interesting one.

00:47:30.180 But yeah, that two-party system has got a stranglehold on us.

00:47:33.640 But you're right.

00:47:35.000 With Trump, that was very interesting.

00:47:36.420 Nobody wanted that guy to win.

00:47:38.040 Talk about a very interesting...

00:47:39.400 Against all odds.

00:47:40.140 But let me challenge that a little bit, because is that really the case, or was it that it

00:47:44.460 was portrayed that nobody wanted him to win?

00:47:46.720 Right.

00:47:47.020 Because I think deep down, everybody's like, I know I'm not supposed to vote for Trump,

00:47:50.680 and yet when they go into the booth and it's privacy, they're like, I'm voting for Trump.

00:47:53.340 Oh, no, no, no.

00:47:54.000 I don't mean nobody as in people who voted for him.

00:47:56.860 Oh, you're talking about the party?

00:47:57.800 Yeah, government.

00:47:59.520 Everybody in government didn't want him to get in office.

00:48:01.880 People, he definitely won the election.

00:48:03.960 He's the people's champ, for sure.

00:48:05.060 No matter you like it, whether you believe it or not, he's the people's champ.

00:48:07.480 In fact, when the election was going on, and I saw how bad the Republicans didn't want

00:48:12.960 him to get the nomination, and then he got it, and then they went to the polls, I said,

00:48:17.340 there's no way they'll let him win.

00:48:19.780 This whole thing is rigged.

00:48:20.720 There's no way.

00:48:21.440 Right.

00:48:21.600 I didn't think he'd win at all.

00:48:22.460 After he won, and I'm not a huge Trump supporter, but after he won, I thought to myself,

00:48:26.360 like, maybe it's not as rigged as I thought, and if you look at the voting, the way the

00:48:30.540 voting system has worked, because it's so decentralized, there's states that, within

00:48:35.300 the states, there's communities that vote, and they're controlled locally by counting

00:48:39.640 the votes and whatever.

00:48:40.540 It's harder.

00:48:41.120 I think it's harder to manipulate.

00:48:42.360 Probably, but it is rigged.

00:48:43.720 I mean, Russia.

00:48:44.280 Come on, right?

00:48:44.800 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:45.960 And that's the thing, is like, oh, look, it's got to be rigged, right?

00:48:49.100 Because, I don't know.

00:48:50.780 Oh, you mean Russia who showed us stuff that was real?

00:48:53.280 Like the legitimate things.

00:48:54.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:56.000 Oh, well, yeah.

00:48:56.580 You mean the stuff that they didn't make up?

00:48:57.960 Isn't that interesting?

00:48:58.900 Yeah.

00:48:59.220 It's amazing to me.

00:49:00.220 Yeah.

00:49:00.540 That we fight over this stuff.

00:49:01.880 Yeah, I know.

00:49:02.440 It's pretty funny.

00:49:03.400 I don't know.

00:49:03.980 I think it's going to be obsolete pretty soon.

00:49:05.960 I really do.

00:49:06.540 What do you mean, it?

00:49:07.300 What are you saying, it?

00:49:08.180 It's obsolete.

00:49:09.320 Rulers.

00:49:09.980 Just people, you know, like I said, legislating and telling you, I mean, there's devices now

00:49:15.240 that they're working on where you can scan your food, and it'll tell you what's

00:49:19.780 in the food.

00:49:20.280 It'll tell you the nutrients that are in your food.

00:49:21.540 All your macronutrients.

00:49:22.380 It'll tell you your macronutrients.

00:49:23.160 Interesting, yeah.

00:49:23.800 Now, you tell me why we have it.

00:49:26.020 It'll tell you if there's pesticides.

00:49:27.260 It'll tell you if there's clean water.

00:49:28.240 Right, right.

00:49:28.720 You tell me why we would have an FDA.

00:49:30.880 Well, think of like going back to the Apple world like I was talking about.

00:49:34.000 What right now, as far as the government having control of us, what do they have the

00:49:37.900 most control that we all are obligated to do?

00:49:40.060 Pay taxes, right?

00:49:40.780 Taxes, right.

00:49:41.140 Taxes, right?

00:49:41.880 Taxes.

00:49:42.160 So imagine, trip on, say, chew on this for a minute.

00:49:44.420 So back to our building our Apple world and Apple currency, and it's all within.

00:49:48.680 It's not like water world.

00:49:49.120 Well, no, listen.

00:49:50.000 Listen.

00:49:50.820 A cooler, way cooler.

00:49:51.480 So they still got to pay their taxes, right?

00:49:55.200 So all the employees and all the people that are part of this world.

00:49:58.220 But after that world is built and they truly have everything that you could want, the best

00:50:02.560 doctors, the best restaurants, the best everything within this community, they can then start

00:50:07.160 to give less money to you for your job, for working for the company.

00:50:11.460 For sure.

00:50:11.820 Because what's to keep me like, let's say I love your hat and you like my boots.

00:50:15.980 I'm like, let's trade.

00:50:17.020 Right.

00:50:17.140 Like what's to keep that from being regulated, right?

00:50:19.680 Exactly.

00:50:20.580 So we start giving the government less and less money in taxes because we are starting to build

00:50:25.840 our own little trading society and stuff within our own community.

00:50:29.200 That's the one thing you don't fuck with is taxes.

00:50:31.160 Well, it'll be the last move.

00:50:34.180 I mean, if Apple or Google or Facebook or Amazon is that gangster, it'll be the last

00:50:38.540 move.

00:50:39.020 You've got to establish, right, all the people in place and all those systems in place and

00:50:44.040 then you switch it on.

00:50:44.960 You go like, okay, now you guys, we have Apple.

00:50:48.000 So you can Apple trade anything you want.

00:50:49.720 So now things, when you go here, it's worth points and now they can get those points through

00:50:54.300 how hard they work at work.

00:50:55.440 That'll last about a good 30 seconds before they step in there.

00:50:57.700 I don't know, dude.

00:50:58.260 I'm saying like then the regulation comes in, right?

00:51:00.200 And it's like, unless they're mobile, they can find the outer space.

00:51:03.040 I'm telling you guys.

00:51:03.840 How can they?

00:51:04.540 What keeps you and I, what keeps you and I from, like you said, trading your boots?

00:51:08.600 I think a bigger threat would be the cryptocurrencies for something like that.

00:51:11.840 I think those things have the power to disrupt our currency system at a much, much, much

00:51:17.020 stronger rate than something like that.

00:51:18.460 I really do.

00:51:18.820 I think people being able to buy whatever they want and not being able to trace where

00:51:23.120 it's going and all that stuff, that's going to be, that's what they're scared of.

00:51:26.540 For sure.

00:51:27.060 And they can't touch it.

00:51:28.220 Yeah.

00:51:28.500 Good luck.

00:51:29.120 The toothpaste is out of the tube.

00:51:30.360 They're not going to be able to do anything with that.

00:51:32.220 Well, don't you feel like the two of those are going to be, they'll work together.

00:51:36.000 It'll be synergistic to me.

00:51:36.740 It's just, I think we'll have multiple different platforms potentially of currency and it won't

00:51:41.220 just be one standardized currency.

00:51:43.100 Competing currencies.

00:51:43.880 Right.

00:51:44.300 Right.

00:51:44.760 Competing currencies would be a good thing.

00:51:46.260 That's what I mean.

00:51:46.880 Like, so think about that.

00:51:48.120 You get paid still $20,000 a year, but then you also make 50 Apple points or 50,000 Apple

00:51:54.140 points.

00:51:54.620 That you can use in that world.

00:51:55.320 That you can use wherever you go in that Apple world.

00:51:58.020 And when, if you actually live there and you're part of that, if it gets you the best restaurants,

00:52:01.960 the best doctors, the best of everything, like why would I not want that would be worth

00:52:05.100 my time because I'm not going to go outside of my Apple world to go to the, to go to the,

00:52:09.120 to go to the, to go to the, Apple money.

00:52:10.260 Fuck you, man.

00:52:11.120 I'm not going to go to the shitty restaurants and the shitty doctors that, you know, aren't

00:52:14.540 getting taken care of.

00:52:15.480 Like Apple's getting to, I mean, I'm going to, the value of money starts to go, it's

00:52:18.240 already going down.

00:52:18.980 I'm going to be stoked when they start using monopoly money again.

00:52:21.360 Right.

00:52:21.700 That's, I mean, I was always the banker.

00:52:24.840 Yeah.

00:52:25.040 Of course you were.

00:52:26.100 Oh man.

00:52:26.680 Everybody wants to be the banker.

00:52:27.240 Remember you heard that first on order, man.

00:52:28.880 It's coming.

00:52:29.340 Apple wants to be the banker.

00:52:30.000 Yeah.

00:52:30.260 Yeah.

00:52:30.520 We called it Apple world.

00:52:32.140 That's right.

00:52:32.560 It's going to rule everything.

00:52:33.820 It's coming, man.

00:52:34.680 I'm telling you right now.

00:52:35.660 It's, it's, it is.

00:52:36.620 And you know, they, they did a movie, uh, the circle, which is kind of an example.

00:52:41.580 I haven't seen it.

00:52:42.580 I've seen Tom Hanks.

00:52:43.260 No, it's a, it's a terrible movie.

00:52:44.900 It's terrible.

00:52:45.320 It's not that great.

00:52:46.160 It's a, let me tell you about a movie.

00:52:47.520 It's sorry.

00:52:47.900 No, it is.

00:52:48.480 It's about the premise.

00:52:50.140 I, yeah, exactly.

00:52:50.740 I was really excited because of the premise of the movie, but the, and the actors that

00:52:54.220 were in it, great actors, but it, the, what they did was they took an idea like that

00:52:58.780 and they took it all so much to the extreme that the things that you go like, well, no,

00:53:02.280 we're not that stupid.

00:53:03.040 We wouldn't go that far.

00:53:04.200 It wouldn't cause murder.

00:53:05.220 And how about the ending?

00:53:06.280 Meh.

00:53:06.680 Yeah.

00:53:06.980 So it was, it was definitely not the idea behind it.

00:53:10.560 I 100% agree with it.

00:53:12.320 And I think we're going to be very close to that.

00:53:14.640 And I think that's what you're going to see.

00:53:16.280 You're going to have these tribes.

00:53:17.180 You're going to have the Amazon world.

00:53:18.960 You're going to have the Google world.

00:53:20.060 So, you know, and we'll know how powerful are these tech companies?

00:53:23.100 We see what's happening.

00:53:24.440 They're, they, they own all the e-commerce.

00:53:27.080 Well, I mean, I mean, think about it this way.

00:53:28.820 Facebook has got what a billion, a billion users or more, two billion users like that.

00:53:33.220 Something like that, right?

00:53:34.020 They're the most informed of their citizens than any, any country's ever been.

00:53:38.140 Yeah, but they're not really buying yet with Facebook.

00:53:40.440 But it's, but it's, it's all voluntary.

00:53:42.820 Like they know what you'd like.

00:53:43.880 They just know everything about you.

00:53:44.960 Where you spend your money, what you're into, what you're fat.

00:53:47.800 Yeah.

00:53:47.960 They know it all.

00:53:48.480 You're selling all that shit to everybody else.

00:53:49.820 They're growing so fast, making so much money that so much of their time is spent making

00:53:54.680 sure the other guys don't know what they're doing.

00:53:57.360 So much of their shit is so undercover.

00:53:59.700 It's crazy.

00:54:00.780 Well, I mean, you look at these companies, look at Facebook, look at, look at Google.

00:54:03.760 At the end of the day, these companies are data gathering machines.

00:54:07.980 I mean, that's what they're doing.

00:54:09.320 The more data they have, the more intel they have, the more accurately they can predict

00:54:13.780 where people are going to spend their dollars.

00:54:15.740 Right.

00:54:16.140 So it is pretty scary when you look on your phone for some, I don't know, some workout

00:54:22.120 equipment and then it shows up on your computer five minutes later.

00:54:25.180 It follows you everywhere.

00:54:26.080 Yeah.

00:54:26.200 Wait a second.

00:54:27.160 It happens when I buy shit at the store with my credit card.

00:54:30.020 That's what I'm saying, man.

00:54:31.060 It's crazy.

00:54:31.620 I'll buy some shit at the store for the kitchen or whatever and I'll go on my Facebook and

00:54:35.460 now I've got like these ads popping up.

00:54:37.060 Well, they're already using facial recognition.

00:54:38.880 I'm sure of it, dude.

00:54:40.160 Have you guys seen the, and I don't know if this is real technology yet, but essentially

00:54:43.600 you walk into a grocery store and you just take items out and you just put it into your

00:54:49.380 cart.

00:54:49.740 It's the Amazon Go stores.

00:54:51.020 That's awesome.

00:54:51.600 And then you can put the thing back on and put it back on.

00:54:54.080 Yes.

00:54:54.640 And then you just walk out.

00:54:55.400 Walk out and it automatically deducts it right from your Amazon.

00:54:58.840 That's what I'm saying.

00:54:59.500 They're building these.

00:55:00.400 They are building these.

00:55:01.740 This is what I like too.

00:55:02.760 I like McDonald's move of like, you know, the $15 an hour.

00:55:05.920 We need $15 an hour.

00:55:06.920 It's like, fine.

00:55:08.140 Kiosk.

00:55:08.580 Boop.

00:55:08.940 Done.

00:55:09.620 There's your $15 an hour right there.

00:55:11.260 It's gone out the window.

00:55:12.340 You're fired.

00:55:12.840 Yeah.

00:55:13.000 It's done.

00:55:13.360 Yeah.

00:55:13.740 It's fascinating.

00:55:14.560 You just killed that job.

00:55:15.040 Again, again, if people just knew, that's what I would like.

00:55:18.660 I would like people to understand basic economics.

00:55:20.580 You know how many freaking problems we could solve if people just understood the most basic

00:55:24.260 economics, like what you just talked about.

00:55:26.460 Right.

00:55:26.960 Right.

00:55:27.360 It would change everything, I think.

00:55:30.000 You wouldn't have some, like this $15, like this artificial market signal now that's

00:55:33.820 telling McDonald's that it's cheaper to create these kiosks to serve you food.

00:55:39.800 Yeah.

00:55:40.280 It's hilarious.

00:55:40.960 They put themselves out of a job instead of just learning a new skill and developing a

00:55:45.300 new skill and expanding and growing.

00:55:47.140 You know, I worked at Burger King for about two months before I realized I could do something

00:55:51.500 a little better.

00:55:52.280 Right?

00:55:52.540 And it's like, those types of jobs are not meant to be careers.

00:55:57.560 Right.

00:55:57.740 And that's the problem.

00:55:58.780 We're giving them career-type pay or at least enough to help them feel comfortable.

00:56:02.580 Right.

00:56:03.000 So they stay there forever.

00:56:04.120 Well, the irony is-

00:56:04.920 The point isn't they're there to stay there forever.

00:56:06.580 And the irony of it is when you artificially raise a price, because people don't understand,

00:56:11.880 a lot of people don't understand that prices reflect many, many signals in the market.

00:56:15.160 And if you arbitrarily raise the price of something, you have changed the value of it, and it's

00:56:21.320 not reflective of the market.

00:56:22.860 And so what happens-

00:56:23.660 Well, what happens, you have someone making $15 an hour who's some pimple-faced kid who

00:56:27.700 gets his first job.

00:56:28.740 And then you have the poor lady who's been working seven years to get to $20 an hour.

00:56:32.500 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:32.800 No, but even worse than that is the kid can't get a job because he's not worth $15.

00:56:37.740 Right.

00:56:38.040 He's got no skills and no experience.

00:56:39.620 Right.

00:56:40.160 And he could maybe get a job for $8.

00:56:42.560 Always blow my mind why, as a business owner and a person who's in need of a job, her or

00:56:49.380 him and I cannot sit down and come up with an agreement on what's fair pay for what they're

00:56:53.460 about to provide.

00:56:53.620 Because you're taking advantage of them.

00:56:55.160 Right.

00:56:55.640 Even though they're taking my money for what they're doing.

00:56:58.840 And even though they're applying to do it.

00:57:01.200 But my point is these artificial, these barriers to enter the market, as they get raised arbitrarily,

00:57:08.260 you are keeping kids from getting jobs.

00:57:10.660 You're keeping people with criminal records from getting jobs.

00:57:14.340 You're keeping people with no experience from getting jobs because now they're no longer,

00:57:19.300 they can't get in at the bottom rung of the ladder because they're not worth it.

00:57:23.220 They're not worth $15 an hour.

00:57:24.600 And I hate to say it, but there's a lot of people, not a lot, but there's people that

00:57:28.700 are not worth getting paid $15 an hour.

00:57:30.280 Of course.

00:57:30.640 They will be with experience.

00:57:32.100 Right.

00:57:32.420 But how do they get started now?

00:57:33.800 Right.

00:57:34.080 Now that we've raised the minimum wage to whatever, we've actually unemployed the very people that

00:57:38.720 were pretending to help.

00:57:38.940 That's interesting.

00:57:39.400 I hadn't thought about it that way.

00:57:40.440 Yeah.

00:57:40.600 That's the real, that's exactly what happens.

00:57:42.580 And what you're saying is you're saying those people who may have expanded and are now

00:57:47.720 staying there because they're comfortable with that $15 an hour paying.

00:57:50.560 They can't even get a job.

00:57:52.580 That's the problem.

00:57:53.360 What you've done is you've raised the barrier to enter the market.

00:57:56.800 So think about it this way.

00:57:57.640 I'm a business owner.

00:57:58.960 I'm required to pay $15 an hour for this work.

00:58:02.080 Sure.

00:58:02.560 Now I've got all these people applying for $15 an hour.

00:58:05.260 I am not going to hire the 17-year-old kid with no experience.

00:58:09.020 Or I'm not going to hire the dude who's got maybe a criminal record or whatever because

00:58:13.360 I'm not going to give you $15 an hour.

00:58:15.200 I'm sorry.

00:58:16.040 So now you're unemployed.

00:58:17.480 I would have paid that guy $7 an hour.

00:58:19.080 Correct.

00:58:19.560 Right.

00:58:19.900 Exactly.

00:58:20.040 Correct.

00:58:20.580 Or maybe someone who's handicapped or maybe somebody, whatever, they're not able to enter

00:58:25.080 the market and build the skills to increase their value on the market.

00:58:28.800 What you're doing is you're essentially literally hurting the very people that you're pretending

00:58:34.040 to help.

00:58:34.380 When people say raise minimum wage to help the disenfranchised, that is the opposite.

00:58:40.500 You raise minimum wage, you hurt the disenfranchised because that's how they bargained.

00:58:44.320 By the way, do you guys know the history of minimum wage laws?

00:58:48.220 The roots of where they actually started in this country?

00:58:50.840 I'm not familiar with them.

00:58:51.860 So they started because white laborers did not like black laborers coming in and taking

00:58:57.460 the work for cheaper.

00:58:58.700 So they made law saying you have to pay a minimum price for this work to ensure that they

00:59:04.280 kept their jobs and these black laborers could not come in because that was their negotiating

00:59:08.860 table.

00:59:09.500 If you're black back then, someone may not want to hire you for the same price.

00:59:13.460 But you know what?

00:59:13.840 I'm going to charge cheaper.

00:59:15.040 I think I'll hire you.

00:59:16.180 You've now entered the market.

00:59:16.860 So these guys were getting undercut.

00:59:18.140 They were able to enter the market.

00:59:19.700 This is true for when we passed law saying this equal pay for equal work type thing.

00:59:24.720 So in other words, what you're saying, if you take minimum wage right now, you're racist.

00:59:29.740 Raising minimum wage?

00:59:31.760 That's what people would say.

00:59:32.920 So minimum wage roots are, and racism, look it up.

00:59:37.180 It's 100% fact.

00:59:38.940 Those were the first laws that were passed to change those prices was to prevent black

00:59:43.980 laborers from getting work.

00:59:45.600 And when you look at, again, laws like they talk about how women don't make as much as

00:59:50.060 men, which by the way is false.

00:59:51.120 When you compare apples to apples and do all the controls, they're equal.

00:59:54.760 Everybody gets paid the same.

00:59:55.820 This is the other thing I like to tell people when people tell me there's so much sexism and

00:59:59.940 women don't get paid as much as men.

01:00:01.940 And I know I'm dancing all over the third rail, but whatever, we're here.

01:00:05.960 This is what I like to tell people.

01:00:07.520 What do you think about companies that outsource jobs overseas?

01:00:10.680 Why do they do that?

01:00:11.480 And people will say, oh, they're greedy.

01:00:13.640 They just want to make money.

01:00:14.560 And I'll say, well, is that the number one goal of a company, just to make money?

01:00:18.000 And they'll say, absolutely.

01:00:18.880 And I'll say, well, if women were cheaper for the same work, then why don't they just

01:00:23.040 employ all women?

01:00:24.000 And I love the look on their faces because all of a sudden they're like, oh, fuck.

01:00:29.020 You're right.

01:00:29.700 Because that doesn't exist.

01:00:31.340 However, when we pass these laws trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, what we've

01:00:36.940 actually done is made it more expensive to hire women or more of a risk now to hire women.

01:00:43.080 And in fact, we're actually making it more difficult for them to get jobs making the same

01:00:48.440 amount of money.

01:00:48.900 These laws actually don't help.

01:00:50.380 They do the opposite, which is why you can't look at laws that are based on their intention.

01:00:54.740 You've got to look at the result.

01:00:56.040 The result.

01:00:56.560 And all the unintended consequences.

01:00:58.540 What are the result?

01:00:59.320 And every time we raise minimum wage, we get higher unemployment among minorities, higher

01:01:04.420 unemployment among people with no experience, and higher unemployment among the youth.

01:01:08.120 Every single fucking time.

01:01:09.300 Ironically, probably that's where a majority of the votes are coming from for that.

01:01:12.580 Yeah.

01:01:12.800 That's crazy.

01:01:13.600 Yeah, that's probably true.

01:01:13.740 Well, they're thinking it'll help me.

01:01:14.860 Yeah, that's probably true.

01:01:15.420 But it doesn't.

01:01:16.000 It's interesting because I even look at this in parenthood, for example, and I see a lot

01:01:19.860 of parents who will do everything for their child.

01:01:22.400 And of course, we have the participation trophy thing and everything else.

01:01:25.140 We're going to go there.

01:01:26.000 And what I see happening is that instead of enabling and empower, I don't want to use enabling,

01:01:30.980 instead of empowering these children, we're actually crippling them because we're not giving

01:01:36.020 them the adequate tools, skills, gifts, challenges to succeed in the real world.

01:01:41.960 Think their way through and problem solve.

01:01:43.540 The challenge that makes the fire.

01:01:45.480 Or go through failure.

01:01:45.860 The forger's fire.

01:01:46.620 Exactly.

01:01:47.100 You need to failure.

01:01:48.540 And like we talked about way earlier, it's like, let's talk about what that looks like.

01:01:53.560 How can we get through as many of these failures as I can to find what really resonates with

01:01:58.700 me and what my true purpose is?

01:02:01.060 We need kids to be able to think for themselves, to go through these experiences that are really

01:02:06.760 tough.

01:02:07.280 And that's really hard as a parent because, you know, you have these like, oh my God,

01:02:11.360 I have this like protective mechanism where I'm just wanting to create a bubble around

01:02:14.880 and I do have that, you know, being a parent.

01:02:17.380 But those are coaching moments.

01:02:18.840 Those are parenting moments.

01:02:20.280 I try and check myself.

01:02:20.780 I look forward to, not that I want my kids to lose and get hurt.

01:02:23.660 No.

01:02:24.220 But when they do, I'm like, seize the moment.

01:02:27.100 This is a moment where I can parent them and I can coach them and they can grow and learn

01:02:31.840 from this.

01:02:32.300 Right.

01:02:32.560 When they win, I mean, look at these kids that are born with like a silver spoon, got

01:02:37.340 everything given to them all the time.

01:02:39.400 And it's like, they're terrible.

01:02:40.560 A lot of them turn out terrible because they don't know how to deal with it with failure.

01:02:44.200 You know what I mean?

01:02:44.680 So I look at those like opportunities with my kids when, you know, my, my son loses a

01:02:48.980 game or whatever.

01:02:49.940 I take them aside and it's like, let's talk about what happened.

01:02:52.360 And I don't sugarcoat it.

01:02:53.460 Yeah.

01:02:53.580 I don't sugarcoat it, by the way.

01:02:54.700 Like you lost because you didn't practice.

01:02:56.780 You didn't practice.

01:02:57.480 Yeah.

01:02:57.860 Yeah.

01:02:58.400 I know my son the other day, he came up and he said, dad, you know, I'm,

01:03:02.840 we just started practice.

01:03:04.200 So this was a couple of weeks ago.

01:03:05.140 He's like, I feel bad.

01:03:06.100 I'm like, what do you feel bad about?

01:03:07.320 He's like, I'm not as good as the other guys.

01:03:09.100 I'm like, well, how many practices have you had this year?

01:03:11.420 None.

01:03:12.180 How many times have we really, you and I practiced this year?

01:03:16.040 Only a couple.

01:03:16.980 Like, yeah, dude, like you got to practice.

01:03:19.080 He came home the other day.

01:03:20.120 He was telling, he was telling me, he's like, dad, I feel bad.

01:03:22.240 Cause I'm slow.

01:03:23.380 I'm like, well, are you?

01:03:25.900 Well, yeah.

01:03:26.500 The other kids are faster.

01:03:27.400 I'm like, then you're slow, but that's okay.

01:03:29.840 You can do one of two things.

01:03:31.300 You can just dwell on it or you can improve.

01:03:33.980 And, and how can we improve?

01:03:35.440 So he came up with some strategies and he's been out running, you know?

01:03:38.180 So it's cool because you don't have to like sugarcoat.

01:03:40.160 You don't need to lie to your kids.

01:03:41.840 No, you're fast.

01:03:42.780 You're fast.

01:03:44.060 Don't let that tell you that.

01:03:45.380 And here's the problem.

01:03:46.460 You have these 20 year old kids who show up for the American Idol type things and they're

01:03:50.760 singing.

01:03:51.040 It's like, who told you you could sing?

01:03:53.500 Like you actually did them a disservice by lying to them for 20 years.

01:03:57.220 You could have been chasing this tree forever and they're never going to get that.

01:04:00.160 What's that guy's name?

01:04:00.680 William Hung?

01:04:01.480 Or we ended up, you know, glorifying it.

01:04:04.060 He actually made some money though.

01:04:05.260 He did.

01:04:05.900 Yeah.

01:04:06.260 Well, it was ironically good.

01:04:07.340 Cause it was so horrible.

01:04:08.320 It was so bad.

01:04:09.020 It was good.

01:04:09.820 Oh God, man.

01:04:10.920 Good deal, brother.

01:04:11.620 Crazy stuff.

01:04:12.400 Well guys, we're bumping up against time.

01:04:13.880 I mean, this was all over the place.

01:04:15.180 Oh yeah.

01:04:15.620 This was cool.

01:04:16.520 Like I enjoy it.

01:04:17.540 That's how we roll.

01:04:17.980 And this is way different.

01:04:19.140 So the guys listening to this podcast are like, what?

01:04:21.640 Is this the right podcast?

01:04:23.080 Oh God.

01:04:23.480 I hope we don't scare all your, all your listeners.

01:04:25.460 No, no, I think it's good.

01:04:26.580 We got to mix it up everyone.

01:04:27.580 So anyways, tell us how we can connect with you guys.

01:04:29.120 So we are a fitness podcast.

01:04:32.100 Should we talk about fitness a little bit before we call it quits?

01:04:35.320 No, no.

01:04:36.640 Hey, what about this?

01:04:37.380 If you didn't like what we had to say about all the political and sex, you know, all that shit.

01:04:41.700 Hear us out.

01:04:42.140 You know, we got more points.

01:04:43.220 We know more about fitness than we know any about that shit.

01:04:45.260 I have more to talk about.

01:04:46.280 We pretend like we know a lot of the other stuff.

01:04:48.180 We are the raw fitness truth.

01:04:50.160 So we do have strong opinions.

01:04:51.280 We do go counter common knowledge.

01:04:53.400 We seek, you know, the, what really works when it comes to burning fat, building muscle and

01:04:57.860 much of the information you get is bullshit.

01:04:59.720 And that really what drives mind pump.

01:05:01.020 And you can tell when we talk about any subject, we're very passionate about, you know, seeking

01:05:05.180 out the bullshit and kind of.

01:05:06.440 Well, and what I like about this conversation too is, is obviously like you guys are intelligent.

01:05:11.020 You've thought about this stuff.

01:05:12.120 And I think even in the fitness world, from what I've seen, it's like surface level stuff.

01:05:15.640 It's over, over macho and everything else.

01:05:18.100 And so just the level that we're talking about and thinking about here, I know translates

01:05:22.160 over into what you guys are doing with your podcast.

01:05:23.820 Of course, I've been a follower and following you guys and listening to you guys as well.

01:05:27.080 So I can attest to that as well.

01:05:28.460 I appreciate it.

01:05:28.820 Yeah.

01:05:28.920 You can find us on iTunes, Mind Pump, and then our YouTube channels, Mind Pump TV.

01:05:33.140 Facebook.

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01:05:34.880 And our website is mindpumpmedia.com.

01:05:38.260 Right on.

01:05:38.680 Cool.

01:05:38.980 We'll link that all up so the guys can get that.

01:05:40.820 Appreciate you guys.

01:05:41.760 Thank you.

01:05:42.180 Thanks, man.

01:05:42.520 There it is, guys.

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Order of Man - November 07, 2017

138： Political Correctness, Technology, and Capitalism ｜ Sal, Adam, and Justin with MindPump

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