154： Own the Day, Own Your Life ｜ Aubrey Marcus
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Aubrey Marcus, founder of On It, is back again to talk about how he has managed to build so much success in his life. Today we talk about the key to starting your day off right, the benefits of unconventional training, napping supplements, weird lunches, and how to own your day.
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So many of us focus on the end result, some noble goal we wish to pursue. And while there's value
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in knowing where you're going, my guest today makes the case for measuring your success
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in the smallest unit of measurement possible. Most of, you know, Aubrey Marcus founder of
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on it. He is back again today to talk about how he has managed to build so much success in his
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life. Today. We talk about the key to starting your day off, right? The benefits of unconventional
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training, napping supplements, weird lunches, and how to own your day and own your life.
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You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears and boldly chart
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your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time you
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are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This
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is who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said
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done, you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name
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is Ryan Mickler and I am the host and the founder of Order of Man. I hope all is going well for
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you. It's certainly going well over here at Order of Man headquarters, which happens to
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be a spare room in my basement, but it's amazing. It's amazing to me how much we have grown over
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a few short years. It's a testament to the much needed information and resources that we're
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putting out into the world today. It is a message of masculinity. It is a message of how
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much we as men are needed in society today. And it's a message of stepping into the calling
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of protector, provider, presider in our lives and the lives of the people that we have an
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obligation, responsibility to serve. So I'm glad that you are here guys. We've got some
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amazing guests. Anybody who's been around for any amount of time knows that if you're
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just listening for the first time, we've got guys like Jocko Willink, Lewis Howes, Tim Kennedy,
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Grant Cardone, Andy Frisilla, Aubrey Marcus today as a repeat guest, and so many, so many
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more amazing, amazing men. My job is to unpack some of their wisdom and their experiences,
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deliver it to you so that you can implement that stuff in your life. Now, before I get
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into the introduction of Aubrey and of course the show today, I've got three quick things
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that I wanted to make mention of and give you just a couple of quick announcements.
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Number one, a lot of you guys didn't know that we actually have a Order of Man store.
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We've got shirts, we've got hats, we've got patches, we've got journals, we've got battle
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plans, you name it, we've got it over there. And we just brought online a couple new shirts
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and a couple of new hats. So if you haven't checked out the store yet, head to store.orderofman.com
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store.orderofman.com and you can see what we've got. You can support us, you can wear
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some swag and look good in the meantime. So that's number one. Number two is we've got
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our Iron Council. Now, if you're not familiar with what this is, this is our exclusive brotherhood
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designed to give you the tools, the resources, the guidance, the direction, the accountability,
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the brotherhood, the camaraderie. I mean, you name it, we've got it inside of the Iron Council.
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We are roughly 360 members strong and I am always blown away with the conversations that
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we're having with, again, the 360 men inside of the Iron Council. You're going to get accountability,
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you're going to get challenges, you're going to get assignments, you're going to get focused
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conversations, the book club, again, so much more going on inside of the Iron Council.
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And we would love to have you join us because I think it's going to serve you well. And
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of course it will serve the other brothers inside of the Iron Council. Well, if you're
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interested in learning more about what that is and what all is included and how it all
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works, go to orderofman.com slash Iron Council. And the third thing that I want to mention
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for you today, and I'm just going to do this briefly because I am going to mention it more
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during the break is our Order of Man uprising. This is our third time doing it and we've added
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some new features. It's a three and a half day experience in the mountains of Southern Utah,
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my hometown, my home area. All you have to do is get to Las Vegas from May 3rd to May 6th,
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May 3rd to May 6th, 2018. You get to Las Vegas, we pick you up, we shuttle you to the mountains
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in the cabin that we have. And from the minute that you hit the ground, we are running, doing
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physical activities, mental tests, and so many more experiences, activities, opportunities,
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whatever you want to call them to expand, expand your physical, mental, emotional intelligence.
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And then of course, give you a new framework, a new foundation for the way in which you operate
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in your relationships, your business, your health, your bank account, your life in general.
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It's an amazing, amazing experience. I want to have you there if you're interested in the
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details. And again, we're going to talk more about this during the break, but if you are
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interested in details, head to orderofman.com slash uprising, orderofman.com slash uprising.
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Do a quick, if you are interested, we only have 10 spots as of this recording and those
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will sell out guys. Those are the announcements that I have for you today. Again, we've got
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the store, we've got the brotherhood, the iron council, and then we've got our uprising
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coming up May 3rd through 6th, 2018. Now let's get onto the conversation. Let me first
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introduce you to Aubrey. This is a repeat guest. He came out with a new book on the day, on
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your life. And I saw it come available. I knew I had to contact him, reached out to him
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and his team, got him on the podcast immediately and looking forward to this conversation. I know
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you're going to get a lot from it. Again, his name is Aubrey Marcus. He is the founder
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of Onnit. Onnit specializes in food supplements, equipment, nootropics, and apparel. The more
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I get to know this guy, the more I'm intrigued about how he produces results in his life and
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the interesting, we'll call him interesting, maybe even sometimes strange way in which he
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experiments with every facet of his life. He's a multi-sport athlete, a philosopher, a podcaster,
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a business owner. He's now an author and somewhat of a scientist, if you will, when it comes to
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achieving total human optimization in his own life and the millions of people he's working
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hard to inspire. Aubrey, what's going on, man? Thanks for joining me on the show today.
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Yeah. Round number two. I'm looking forward to this because you've got the new book coming
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out on the day, own your life. I'm really excited about the work you're doing. And what I enjoy most
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about the book and reading it is it's really practical. You know, there's a lot of books out
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there that are mindset and 30,000 foot view. And I think there's a time and a place for that.
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Sure. But at the end of the day, what I really like about this is there's like very practical
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tips that anybody can implement right now to get going with their life.
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Yeah, that's the idea. I mean, we wanted to have this overarching theme, which is an entire day,
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all of the interconnected things that you do in that day, but give people a super practical manual
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like, all right, what do I do right now? What do I do within the first 15 minutes of waking up?
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What does my breakfast actually look like? What are the tools I need to bring with me?
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And trying to accomplish both of those things, it was ambitious, but you know, I'm really proud
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of the work that we were able to put together. You use the word interconnected, which is actually
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something you talked about right up front in the book. And it actually stood out to me because I
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think it's very easy for us as guys to isolate components of our life. Like I'm going to work out
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and then I'm going to do this and then I'm going to eat right. And then I'm going to do this.
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And there's these separate components, but you make the case that it's all integrated,
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that it's all connected and it should be like that. The day is the basic indivisible unit of
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our life. That is the cycle. We wake up, we live the day, and then we go to sleep and then it resets.
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That's why there's movies like Groundhog Day or Live, Die, Repeat, that one with Tom Cruise. I think
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I got that title right. But anyways, it's always about the day because that is that natural reset that
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we have. That is the 24 hour circadian rhythm. So to kind of bifurcate the day and say that these
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things don't connect is really just false because how you wake up is going to change your circadian
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rhythm, is going to change your energy, is going to change what you're drawn toward, how early you
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want to grab that caffeine, which is going to change whether you want to work out or not, which might
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change whether you want to have sex or not, which might change whether you have a good sleep or not.
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So the only way to tackle real transformation in my mind is to just look at that basic indivisible
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unit and say, all right, how can I level up one day? And then how can I do that repeatedly?
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Yeah. There's this quote that actually I'm reminded of as you talk about this. It's from
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Gandhi and it says, each night when I go to sleep, I die. And the next morning when I wake
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up, I am reborn. And I like that. It stands out to me because it is an opportunity for everybody
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to wake up and not be defined by who they were in the past or who they were yesterday, but
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who they decide to be right now from the minute that alarm goes off on their phone.
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Yeah, that's a huge piece of this because you have to forgive the past. That's a major part of
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actually the last chapter of my book is talking about, all right, you have all of the tools
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now, but in order to implement those, you have to forgive yourself of yesterday. You
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have to realize that Heraclitus quote, no man steps in the same river twice because it's
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not the same river and you're not the same man. You waking up today is not the same person
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that even went to bed the night before. Your cells have turned over. Your thoughts have turned
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over. You've learned from all of the things that happened. You've gained from that experience.
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You're not the same person. Sure. You have some same traits, some same characteristics.
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You're in largely the same body occupying largely the same space. But when you decide
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to be different, you are different. That's the beauty of being a human being. So you have
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to forgive the past and realize you deserve to be the type of person that can change, that
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can be that individual that you want to be. And that starts with that forgiveness of the
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So that is the last chapter of the book. You talk about bringing home forgiveness. You talk
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about ethos, visualization. So I guess my question is, if somebody's listening to this
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or wants to pick up a copy of the book, is it starting there first? I will decide to
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change. I will change my ethos. I will visualize. I will forgive myself. Or is it just taking
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these little simple steps from waking up and drinking some mineralized water like you talk
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It's a little combination of both because you can be fired up and not know what the fuck to
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do. That's not really going to do you that good because you'll have all this inspiration
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and you'll be like, yeah, I'm going to go crush it. I have no idea what I'm crushing,
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And then it may not actually have a lasting impact because that inspirational fade because
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you won't see actual progress happening because you won't know the actual steps. So you need
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part of that motivation, part of those mental practices mixed with these physical practices
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that are actually going to have substantial, tangible meaning and difference in how you feel on a
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day-to-day basis. And I think this book really does a good job blending both of those, giving you
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the motivation, that kind of fire to go get this done while also telling you, all right,
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these are the things that are going to make the biggest damn difference.
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I want to get into this from a tactical level because there's so much, again, practical information
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on this. But before we get into that, I'm really curious how this changed around for you. Because if I
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remember correctly, I don't remember the age, maybe 30, 35 years old. This wasn't you. This is kind of
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where you had an awakening and you thought, I've got to do something different with my life. Can you
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Yeah. I mean, a lot of this was before I started on it in my late 20s. I was pretty depressed. I was
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pretty anxious. I don't have a big fitness transformation story because I retreated to
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fitness as the one solace. It was like the one variable that I could control. So I was always in
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the gym. But was I healthy? Hell no. You know, I was sick all the time. I was up and down and I could
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perform really well sometimes and then I couldn't make it out of bed other times. And I was just
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really erratic and really kind of a mess in a lot of ways. And part of that was I didn't have
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a purpose. I talk about a really pivotal moment in this book because we're covering an entire day
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and part of that day is going to be your work practices and how you look at the job that you're
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in and how you look at work. And for me, it wasn't that my job actually changed. It was that
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my purpose in that job changed instead of just identifying and ruminating on how miserable I was
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in this position and what a failure I was because I was still working in this job that I absolutely
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hated. Instead, I was like, all right, no, I'm not doing that. What I'm doing now is I'm biding the
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time. I'm learning the skills. I'm gathering the resources. I'm making the connections. I'm preparing
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myself for that leap to the next lily pad, which will then propel me to what I actually want to do.
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So that subtle shift of saying, here I am blowing it again another day at this job that I hate.
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It's like, no, here I am preparing, gathering, getting ready, sharpening my sword because one
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day I'm going to jump from this thing and then I need to be ready for that moment. And so I really
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started focusing on preparing myself internally rather than worrying about the external. And that
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was the real turning point in my life, I would say. I'm really fascinated by this because I look at you
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now and obviously you've built an amazing brand with on it and just done some incredible things
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in your life. But then I also try to look at who a man is surrounded by, because I think that's a
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pretty telling sign as to his capacity for growth and expansion and who he is. Personally, I look at
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the guys that you're connected with guys like Joe Rogan, who's a business partner and our best
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athletes, our best warriors. We were talking about Tim Kennedy before this, who works out at your gym.
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We're talking about Dakota Meyer, who also works out at your gym. How do you go from somebody who
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doesn't have his act together to now connecting with some of the most successful men on the planet?
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Well, the thing that binds all of these great athletes, and it is just such a blessing,
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you know, hearing you talk about that, sometimes you take it for granted. Like I'll walk in in the
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morning and we'll have people training for the NFL combine or if it's off season, we'll have Earl Thomas
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and then Jake Arrieta, the Cy Young winner, and then Tim Kennedy. And everybody's just looking and
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vibing off each other. And we have the combine guys doing vertical leaps and Tim doing burpee
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thrusters. And, you know, like it's just this collection of incredible individuals, Lance
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Armstrong crushing it on one side, doing his own workout. And these icons, these heroes that have
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all kind of gathered here together. But it's a similar ethos. It's a willingness to push yourself
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into the darkness and into the shit to come out better from the other side. And all of us have had
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our own way of doing that. You know, and I was talking to Tim about that yesterday and we were
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talking about how we've done it in different ways. For Tim, you know, he has this recent show where
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he's called Hard to Kill and they'll literally light an airplane on fire and he'll have to tear the
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airplane apart from the inside out to get out. That's just like him. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And it's like,
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give me the challenge, show me the fire breathing rhinoceros and I will defeat that thing.
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And for me, I've had some of those, you know, I've been an athlete and I've had those external
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challenges. But for me, a lot of the challenges I've faced have been internal. And I explained to
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him that Temescal, the Mexican sweat lodge ritual, where you're just locked in complete pitch black
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with all of these molten hot stones and they're pouring water on the stones and it's getting
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hotter and hotter and you can't see. And they're singing prayers in Spanish and the smell of the herbs
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in the smoke and it starts to sting and your face gets so hot. So you lay down on the ground and
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you're sipping cool air from the bottom and you're in for an hour and a half in the pitch dark. You
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don't know whether you're going to come out and you have to surrender to your fears of dying. You have
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to surrender to your to everything and just accept the true nature of who you are. And I've pushed
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myself in rituals like that over and over and over again. So while me and Tim have not done the same
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things and me and Jake Arrieta or me and Lance Armstrong haven't done it the same way, we can
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look at each other and say, brother, when we meet each other, because it's that common bond of having
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pushed through something that was really challenging and come out the other side better for it.
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One thing that I really admire about what you do is from the outside looking in is this process of
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experimentation. And if I'm honest with myself, that's not always how I've been. I try to do more of
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that in my life, but I usually and typically seem to choose the path of least resistance. And I think
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a lot of us do that. It's easy. How do you decide what to experiment with out of all of the millions
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and infinite number of options and choices you have? How do you decide, hey, I'm going to try
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this thing. It's wild. It's crazy, but I'm going to do it. Well, there's a couple of different ones.
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There's the fun category, which is just like I have a really wise homie, Ben Greenfield, for example,
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he has the Ben Greenfield podcast, an incredible buyer hacker, just an encyclopedia of knowledge on
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the human body. And he'll talk to me about some stuff. He convinced me to do this shockwave therapy
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for my dick in Florida. And it was just this it was a lot of laughs. And it was about how by using
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these compressed sonic waves and they actually have this gun, it's like a sound tattoo gun, and they
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just pound pound it on your genitals that it creates new vascularity and it creates new pathways of
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blood flow. And it's great for sexual health and libido and everything. And I was like, yeah,
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man, fuck it. We'll try that. Like, no worries. Like, that's just go wrong. Yeah, that's just in
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the fun category, you know, or something that Kyle Kingsbury, our director of human optimization here,
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he'll have some idea. And I'm like, yeah, sure, man, I'll I'll give that a go. And it's just kind
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of the curiosity and just kind of the playful curiosity of it. And then there's the other things
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where it's something that I'm scared of. And if I'm scared of it, but I realized I'm not scared
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because of actual danger, I'm just scared because it's something that frightens me,
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then that's a great sign that I need to move towards that thing. So, you know, I use both
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my natural curiosity and some aspects, and then I use fear as an ally to tell me what I need to point
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myself towards. I like that you talk about discernment because I think it's very difficult
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on a primal level for us to distinguish between what will kill us and what's just going to push us
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outside of our comfort zone a little bit. Yeah, it is. And it isn't because I think deep down,
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we know what is fear and what is self-preservation. And I think, for example, like grabbing a random
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spider that you haven't identified with your bare hands, that's dangerous. Like, don't do that.
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Like, we know that that's stupid, you know, or like if there's a snake that you can't identify,
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don't catch it unless you're like a master snake catcher. Like, but if it's a cockroach that you want
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to grab with your hand and let out of your house or a cricket and you know what that thing is,
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but you're squeamish like a little squealing schoolgirl, then you know that's fear. That's
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just plain old fear. It's not self-preservation. It's just some pattern that you have in your head.
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And that's a sign, okay, this is fear, fear in capital F fear, isolated from self-preservation.
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And I need to go after that thing and I need to tackle that thing and get to the other side.
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It makes total sense. It's funny that you bring up Ben Greenfield too. Him and I talked,
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we're actually going hunting in April. And I was thinking about that because I think he did
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an article or something for men's health or fitness magazine or one of these.
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Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not zapping my balls when we go hunting. Like,
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I just want to go hunting and enjoy that as opposed to some of these experiments he runs.
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He doesn't do the zapping himself. He doesn't do the zapping.
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Well, that's good. That's good. I didn't want to be doing that to each other. You know,
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that's even worse than having it done. So you just, you make the sound with your mouth.
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That's how it works. If he tries to convince you that he's lying. But he did trick me into doing
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this. He was like, Oh yeah, there's this really attractive nurse. And you know, it's this really
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nice process. I was like, man, this sounds like somewhere between biohacking and like a,
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I don't know, some kind of spa or something like that. I was like, this sounds lovely.
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And that was not the case. I had like, you know, a small Cuban man who just kind of
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lathered me up with numbing cream and just started firing away. And it was like, I had a nail gun
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on the other side, but you know, ultimately I'm not going to do that again, but do I regret it?
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Hell no. I'm happy to have that experience. It's a funny story. You know, it had some moderate benefit
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and all good. You know, I'll chalk that up to a cool experiment that I get to tell that story and
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have some laughs about. Well, let's shift gears here a little bit. I want to break down how this
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book is laid out. So you talk in each of the chapters, you go through segments. So the first
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part of this is getting owned. And I know what this is like, man. And I know that everybody
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listening knows what this is like, knows that when life has them versus they having life,
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if that makes sense. So you have that, then you have owning it. Then you have the prescription,
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which makes total sense. And this is the tactical portion of the book that we talked about.
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And then now going out and doing it. Why did you decide to break it down this way?
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That came later on in the process. I mean, at first it was just kind of a homogenous chunk
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of information. And as you, I wrote it and I rewrote it and I rewrote it. I mean, I must
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have rewrote this book seven times with the help of my editor, Neil Sparker. And that was
00:20:17.240
a really challenging, but beautiful process. And just understanding how I could get this information
00:20:22.440
across the best way and owning it is the opportunity for me to open up and admit all the times that
00:20:28.560
I've gotten owned and all the cases where other famous people and the people I work with,
00:20:33.620
how they've gotten known and how we're just like everybody else. We've all had the pop tarts
00:20:38.680
when we were kids. We've all done the silly things that we do that are not helpful for our life and
00:20:45.460
how easy it is to fall into those patterns. And it's just, it's the opportunity to say, Hey,
00:20:49.980
we're no different. We're not superheroes because we do this stuff. We're absolutely the same. We've just
00:20:56.180
made different choices. And then we switch from getting owned to owning it, which is the process
00:21:02.340
of reversing those patterns and making the right choices. And then narrowing that down to the very
00:21:08.140
specific prescriptions. Like, all right, all right, I got it. I got to do this thing. I got to eat,
00:21:13.120
you know, a higher fat, higher protein, higher fiber, lower carbohydrate, lower sugar breakfast.
00:21:18.500
Got it. Prescription. What does that look like? All right. Well, it looks like, you know,
00:21:22.840
this many eggs, this amount of spinach, this amount of bone broth. That's one option. Or maybe
00:21:26.600
a smoothie that looks like this. That's another option. So prescription gets really detailed. So
00:21:31.640
it's like the don't make me think section. Which is good. That's the section I liked. I'm like,
00:21:36.700
perfect. Just give it to me. I'll do it. I will execute. Exactly. Exactly. And then the last one is,
00:21:41.900
you know, if we did a fraction of the stuff that we know we should do, we would all be fucking rock
00:21:48.320
stars. We all know so much more that we should be doing, but we don't do it.
00:21:52.840
So the now do it section that covers the natural objections that we might have
00:21:57.780
towards preventing us from actually doing these things. So doing some of the new things that we've
00:22:02.420
learned and also just doing some of the things that we already know that we should. So now do it's
00:22:07.760
that moment to say, Hey, I get it. This is the resistance that's going to come up. This is how
00:22:12.340
you overcome that. This is the way that you think about it. And this is the way that you make sure you
00:22:16.120
actually implement these things that you just learned.
00:22:18.560
Why do you think there is such a big disconnect? And I've noticed this too, personally,
00:22:23.040
and through the men that we work with that I think for the most part, and there's a lot of
00:22:27.420
information in here that I didn't know that we're going to get to here in a minute. But I think for
00:22:31.120
the most part, a lot of people know, okay, I know I need to do this. And yet for whatever reason,
00:22:35.680
there's still that disconnect between what we know and what we do. Why does that exist?
00:22:39.480
You know, why, when you're playing a video game, are there always monsters around for you to fight?
00:22:45.280
You know what I mean? It's like resistance is just a part of this experience. And the only way to
00:22:51.000
really experience resistance, you can't externalize all resistance. You know, that's literally a video
00:22:55.900
game. This is life. And in life, the resistance generally comes from within. It's that obstacle
00:23:02.380
placed before you that you need to overcome so that you can grow so that you can sharpen your sword.
00:23:08.120
It's just the way that the body works. You put weights on the bar and you lift them and it's
00:23:12.700
hard. Your muscles break down and they grow stronger. You push yourself into cold water,
00:23:17.380
your body adapts to the stress and it grows stronger from it. You know, all of these things,
00:23:21.440
these adaptations for resistance, that is the absolute process by which all things move forward.
00:23:28.280
And it's kind of a universal law. And I think we forget that that process isn't just these external
00:23:34.120
things like hot or cold or weight or effort or exertion. It's the internal processes too that
00:23:40.200
are honing our psyche. It's honing our willpower, honing our toughness. So it's just there. That
00:23:46.140
resistance is just fucking there. It's real. And it's our job to use that as the grindstone to
00:23:54.020
Yeah, you make up a really good point because I think what a lot of guys will do is they'll try to
00:23:58.320
ignore the fact that the resistance is there or pretend that it doesn't exist at all. And then
00:24:04.060
it blindsides them rather than, Hey, I acknowledge that this is hard. I acknowledge that I don't want
00:24:09.460
to do this right now. And I think just acknowledging it and then driving forward anyways is probably the
00:24:15.580
Yeah, agreed. And just knowing like you can thank your resistance, like, Oh, thanks. This is hard. So
00:24:21.260
that means that this will be valuable for me. That means that I'll get something out of this.
00:24:25.120
Sure. And it's just a shift in mentality. When you master those things that are currently hard,
00:24:31.060
guess what? You'll find other things that are more advanced that are even harder. And then you
00:24:36.160
conquer those. And that is the path to mastery. And that's the path of mastery. So that when you
00:24:40.740
go meet Lance Armstrong or Tim Kennedy or one of these guys and you look them in the eye,
00:24:46.080
they'll read that on you. They'll see that in your character, in your soul. It'll be like, Oh,
00:24:50.000
this is the guy who's consistently come up against resistance and consistently done his best to
00:24:57.940
That's a really good point. That actually goes back to the answer that you were talking about
00:25:01.380
earlier is how do you connect with men of the caliber that you've been able to surround yourself
00:25:05.560
with? And I think they do. They see that, right? And a strong man can recognize weakness and a strong
00:25:13.000
No doubt. No doubt. And it's not in the body, although the body can be a reflection of your of
00:25:18.160
your character, but it can also be a compensation for lack. And I think, you know, a discernment in
00:25:24.280
real wisdom, people can generally see that because we've all seen the super swole guy who's super
00:25:30.360
insecure and he uses his swoleness and his big ass truck with his big ass pipes as an opportunity to
00:25:36.400
project the solution to the fears that he feels inside. And that's easy to read as well. It's not that
00:25:42.700
being swole or having a big ass truck is a problem. It's just why you're doing it. Are you
00:25:47.180
doing this to compensate? Are you doing it just because you like being swole and you like big
00:25:50.440
ass trucks? Sure. That's the key there. And you can't fake it. You can't fake it with your
00:25:55.280
external appearance. You can't fake it with anything. You got to really do the work. You got to go into
00:25:59.520
the darkness. So how did you decide there's I don't know, I didn't count them, but there's probably
00:26:04.380
15 to 20 unique things that you can be doing on a daily basis. How did you narrow it down to these
00:26:10.940
select few that you chose to put in this book? Well, you know, there's 16 chapters and roughly,
00:26:15.620
you know, we have roughly 16 waking hours. It doesn't go hour by hour, but I kind of liked
00:26:20.740
that symmetry of there's 16 waking hours in the day. There's 16 chapters. This is what an average
00:26:26.600
weekday for the average person might look like. This is a day that you could repeat over and over
00:26:31.080
and over again. So it includes the commute to work. It includes the processes at work. It includes
00:26:36.380
the training in the day, sex, all of the different things that might happen, connection with
00:26:40.660
your family, you know, connection with your friends, all the things that you would want
00:26:44.340
in a duplicable, you know, repeatable, complete own day. You know, it just kind of laid out in
00:26:51.420
that process. And, you know, I really tried to be as comprehensive as possible. You know,
00:26:55.720
this isn't one of those special, like there's days where you fast and you're preparing for ceremony.
00:27:00.440
Well, that day is an aberration. You know, you have those days 0.2% of the time, you know,
00:27:06.040
or there'll be a competition day where all you have to worry about is competition. You know,
00:27:09.600
again, that's 0.2% of the days in your life. We didn't cover these special circumstance days,
00:27:15.380
although a lot of these practices would apply. This is the everyday day. You know, this is the
00:27:19.900
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00:27:24.800
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Now let's finish up the conversation with Aubrey.
00:28:35.580
Well, let's break some of these down. And obviously, just for the sake of time,
00:28:38.340
we can't get to all of them. But what I want to do is I want to extract the ones that stood out to
00:28:42.940
me that were a little different than even I thought about going into this. The first one that comes to
00:28:47.920
mind for me is the subject of eating a weird lunch. And you started that chapter off with your food as
00:28:53.780
a kid was the double Western Western cheeseburger, which is like, dude, this guy's speaking my language
00:28:59.620
right now, which I could actually go for one of those right now as we talk about this. But
00:29:03.880
talk to me about weird lunch. What do you mean by that?
00:29:07.940
There's like 12 foods that comprise like 90% of the Western diet. And that leads to a lot of
00:29:15.200
problems. Because in general, you know, we're scavengers that are hunting and going out eating,
00:29:20.360
not just the steak part of the animal, not just the backstrap, you know, or not just the
00:29:26.220
haunches like we eat now and most of our ground beef and most of our steak, but we would eat the
00:29:30.960
organ meats, the liver, the kidneys, we would eat all of the different parts, we'd boil the bones and
00:29:37.240
get the marrow out, we would consume the animal in its entirety, certainly not separating out the fat.
00:29:43.860
I mean, the fat was coveted, right? And then all of the things that we would forage weird herbs and
00:29:48.860
berries and tart things and bitter things and anything that we could get our hands salt was obviously
00:29:55.200
super prized. And that's how we are best served as a human being. But it's real easy to just get
00:30:02.560
bread, which is basically wheat with mix with some sugar, and then add some add some meat,
00:30:09.280
which is just a basic kind of protein. Oftentimes, if you got a lunch meat, it's going to be cured.
00:30:14.980
And it's engineered anyways, engineered, cured in a bunch of chemicals that you don't really want,
00:30:19.500
like nitrates and nitrites. And so we'll have the same thing over and over and over again. And that
00:30:26.360
ends up weakening our gut microbiome and ends up weakening our immune system. It creates nutritional
00:30:31.020
deficiencies. So the weirder the variety of food that you can eat, the better off you're going to be
00:30:36.980
not only for your gut biome health, and there's some great studies in there for that, but just for
00:30:40.940
your overall covering your nutritional basis. The body is like, think of it like a home improvement
00:30:46.100
store. If your body's your home, you need to stock the shelves with all the different tools
00:30:50.500
so that when your body needs that thing, that enzyme to make that chemical reaction, that vitamin,
00:30:55.020
that mineral, it can go to the shelf and it can find it. And if it doesn't find it, the body's
00:30:59.200
creative. It'll use duct tape and a caulk gun and it'll figure it out, but it's not going to be the
00:31:04.060
optimal solution. So the weirder the lunch you can eat, the better off you're going to be supplying
00:31:08.560
your body with those nutrients. I think the argument to this, and whether it's valid or not is
00:31:14.060
irrelevant, I still think it's the argument, is that it's just not convenient and that it's more
00:31:19.200
convenient to eat the junk that we know we shouldn't be eating. Do you find that to be true?
00:31:23.980
Well, it depends on how you define convenience. You know, like, is it convenient to be sick?
00:31:30.560
Like, how inconvenient is it to be sick? Pretty fucking inconvenient.
00:31:35.260
And at the point that you're sick, like if you had to say, if you had to say, all right,
00:31:38.580
all I had to do was go back in time and spend an extra five minutes a day with a simple meal prep
00:31:45.760
or make a few different choices in my lunch. And I could do that and I wouldn't be sick right now.
00:31:51.540
And that's all I had to do. Every one of us would be like, yes, I'm in, I'll take that deal.
00:31:56.440
But we don't do that proactively. We would do that retrospectively and be like, yeah, for sure I'd do
00:32:02.360
that. But proactively, we have the opportunity to do that all the time. There are people who just don't
00:32:08.140
get sick. Like Paul Cech, you meet that guy, he just hasn't gotten sick in the last 20 years. Why?
00:32:14.840
Because proactively he's making really good fucking choices all the time. And that's the type of person
00:32:21.300
that we can be, but we have to do it in a proactive manner, not in a reactive manner. Like, oh man,
00:32:26.040
I'm feeling like shit or oh man, I'm super sluggish or oh man, I'm in pain or I'm sick. That stuff is
00:32:31.620
the stuff that's really inconvenient. Yeah, it's easier to get a sandwich maybe from Subway than to go
00:32:37.960
out to your local kind of fresh place or your salad bar and put a bunch of weird shit into a salad.
00:32:44.540
It is easier to do that. I'm not going to argue with that, but you pay the price later. And so a
00:32:50.260
little bit of time and a little bit of care is going to make up a big difference later.
00:32:55.440
So I know we're going to bounce around a lot here and I wish that we could focus on one thing,
00:32:59.180
but I want to bounce around because I want to cover as much ground as we possibly can. And guys,
00:33:02.260
as you're listening to this, just go get the book because there's so much more than we can talk
00:33:05.820
about right now. And I'm only covering a very narrow section of what we're talking about here,
00:33:10.700
but I want to move into training. So I've been following you and on it for probably four or five
00:33:17.320
years now. And one thing that's always, always stood out to me is you guys have a lot of fun
00:33:22.640
in the way that you train from battle ropes to kettlebells and sandbags and maces and all your
00:33:28.980
functional movement stuff, which I think I just watched a video that you partnered with,
00:33:34.200
with JP Sears on functional movement. I think it was such a funny video. Anyways,
00:33:40.580
talk to me about this unconventional approach that you are taking to your training.
00:33:46.700
We're really just looking at the body and then adapting training to it. I think really it's gone
00:33:51.960
the other way, you know, where people have had a training style and then tried to force the body
00:33:56.780
to adapt to it. And I think that's the way with a lot of Olympic lifts. It's like, well, we figured
00:34:01.160
out how to make these things called barbells and now let's figure out things that the human can do
00:34:07.580
with the barbells. So it's actually gone backwards. Whereas these other tools, it's more like, all
00:34:12.720
right, let's figure out how the human body works and then let's find tools that actually work with
00:34:18.220
the human body to be optimal. Now it's not that barbell movement isn't a part of our platform. It is,
00:34:23.040
but it's about using those tools in a way that works with the body versus forcing the body to adapt to
00:34:29.620
something that the body really doesn't want to do and can cause the body to break down faster and
00:34:34.980
actually be deleterious to total overall strength and durability rather than building that strong
00:34:40.780
foundation. Cause most of us don't need to be at this incredible peak level of fitness. We just need
00:34:47.840
to be able to move around. We need to be able to not be out of breath when we have sex or run around
00:34:51.860
with our kids or play with our dog. You know, we need to be able to fight off someone if we absolutely
00:34:56.700
have to, or run away from something. If we need to, we need basic stuff to really explore and live
00:35:02.180
this life the way we want. And I think the unconventional tools are not only great for
00:35:06.860
that, they're ideal for that. They're also ideal for people who are competing in conditions that
00:35:11.120
have changing landscapes. Like no NFL player is ever going to get in a position where all they have to
00:35:16.700
do is lift weight straight from the bottom, straight to the top. It's all balanced weight and
00:35:21.940
everything else. Yeah, of course. Exactly. It's all going to be at obtuse angles and weird
00:35:25.560
stress points. And that's why these rotational exercises, these off balance tools like the mace
00:35:30.840
are really helpful at mimicking real world conditions. Yeah. I know this is a funny example,
00:35:35.680
but it almost reminds me of the, of Rocky versus Drago, right? Where he's the way that they're
00:35:40.420
training in the gym is one's very calculated and the other's like, I'm just going to use what I have
00:35:44.220
and what's available. Right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And you know, there's a time and a place for both.
00:35:49.520
And I think, you know, on it is that kind of one of those rare melting pots where all of that can
00:35:54.900
come together in the same place. Certainly a steady diet of unconventional fitness is really what we
00:36:01.660
found to be most effective. Let's move into the idea of a power nap. Cause I think that a lot of
00:36:07.300
people have heard how productive this can actually be, but I think very few people are actually doing
00:36:11.260
this, including myself. Sometimes it's just hard, you know, I've got a lot to do. And so for me to take
00:36:15.240
five or 10 or whatever minutes to do that is a difficult thing for sure.
00:36:19.520
Yeah, there's a couple of really costly myths that we've been told. And one of those myths is
00:36:25.700
that dietary fat is bad for you. Another myth is that you need eight hours of sleep a night.
00:36:30.720
If we follow those things, we're going to be fucked up for different reasons. You know, for one
00:36:35.840
on a nutritional basis, obviously subbing in sugar and subbing out dietary fat has caused probably the
00:36:42.440
biggest health epidemic of our, of our lives. The other one actually is super counterproductive for
00:36:48.140
probably the biggest miracle drug we have available as humans, which is sleep because it's tries to
00:36:54.660
force us to get all of our sleep at one time at night. And that's not something that a lot of us
00:37:00.880
are even capable of doing. Now we should try to optimize that. And I put in practices to help you
00:37:05.700
get the most sleep you can at night, but it's not realistic. And it's, if you look back ancestrally,
00:37:10.700
if you look back across the world, this idea of this monophasic sleep, getting all your sleep at once,
00:37:15.960
it's really something that, you know, you don't find all over the place ubiquitously. You find a
00:37:21.560
lot of cultures who break up their sleep into different patterns, take a lot of naps, the siesta
00:37:26.020
model. And when you look at the research that pans out to be actually more valuable than even
00:37:32.780
increasing your amount of overnight sleep. So when they studied the difference between getting more
00:37:38.600
sleep at night, having a cup of coffee or taking a 30 minute power nap, the nap wins hands down every
00:37:46.300
time as far as mental alertness, energy across the board. But nonetheless, we kind of shit on naps and
00:37:52.680
naps are for lazy people and who has time when you're dead and all that stuff. Yeah. Well, that
00:37:56.500
attitude is going to get you dead a lot faster. And also just take some of the pressure off because
00:38:01.320
we've all had those nights where we get five hours and then we've all read all the things that
00:38:05.120
happen to you when you don't get enough sleep and we feel it. We're like, oh, I'm screwed for today.
00:38:09.080
Today it comes today. Today's blown. And that puts so much pressure on us when we're going to sleep
00:38:12.920
and it puts pressure on us when we wake up. But if you look at that and say, instead of eight hours
00:38:17.160
of sleep a night, well, I just need 35 sleep cycles a week. And one nap counts as one point on those
00:38:22.280
cycles. And a sleep cycle is about 90 minutes. So if I got six hours at night, that's cool. That's about
00:38:28.120
four cycles. And then I can pick up a 30 minute power nap in the day. That'll give me five cycles. I'm
00:38:31.720
right on track. But let's say I got less than that. Let's say I got four and a half hours of
00:38:35.840
sleep. Well, that's only three cycles. I'll take one power nap today. That'll put me at four. And
00:38:40.380
then tomorrow, hopefully I'll get seven and a half hours of sleep and one nap and that'll get me at
00:38:45.020
six. And then I'll be at 10 and then I'll be right on track for my 35 a week. So it's just taking the
00:38:49.880
pressure off and using naps as a tool to make up ground and really not have to just keep jamming more
00:38:56.640
caffeine and more stress and more pressure and just saying, Hey, just take a load off. Relax.
00:39:03.060
I like this because I see what a lot of guys do. And what I've done in the past is we wear this
00:39:09.320
idea of busyness as a badge of honor. Like, Oh man, I'm really busy. And they do it with a smile.
00:39:15.060
And it's like, well, I don't know if I want to be busy as much as I want to be effective and
00:39:19.620
efficient and have time to do what is also fulfilling for me, which is, you know, playing
00:39:24.440
baseball with my kids or rolling around, around on the ground and wrestling with my dog. Those
00:39:28.860
things are important as well, but we don't wear those quite with the same badge of honor that we
00:39:32.260
do as busyness. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Yeah. It's a weird thing. You know, this, this pride in
00:39:38.520
working in Japanese culture, there's this phenomenon called Karoshi. It's a form of suicide in which a
00:39:45.520
Japanese businessman will die from overworking and die right there at his desk. You know, and I make the
00:39:51.740
joke in the book that when it comes to honorable suicide, no one fucks with the Japanese. That's
00:39:56.380
like an art they've mastered, but it's, it's tragic. They're trying to show their commitment
00:40:00.640
to the company and their commitment, the working man's ethos, this kind of modern Bushido by literally
00:40:06.580
working themselves to death at their desk. It's a weird type of thing that we've developed that
00:40:12.060
that's part of, you know, our modern warrior ethos, but it's misguided. It's not about the time
00:40:17.880
and effort and burning yourself up because your work product's going to be shit. It's about doing
00:40:22.660
the right amount so that you're producing excellent work and you have the flexibility of mind and
00:40:27.960
thought to keep that sustained and also to live a dope life. Yeah. Well, we're bumping up against
00:40:34.420
time just for the sake of being a little bit more fulfilling on this. I just want to talk a real
00:40:39.900
briefly and just maybe cover some of these other points. I mean, we've got hydrate power, shower,
00:40:43.900
polar plunge, reset and reconnect dinner, like a King more and better sex, turning off, tuning in
00:40:49.740
all of these topics are so important. And I wish we could get to all of them. We can't just for the
00:40:53.480
sake of time, but guys, again, I mean, it's just a powerful book and so much good information in here.
00:40:57.980
Aubrey, as we wind down, is there anything that I should have asked you that I didn't,
00:41:01.720
or a topic that you feel like is worthy of covering? No, you know, I mean, the book really
00:41:06.420
tries to run the full spectrum. I just encourage people to, you know, check out the webpage,
00:41:11.300
ownthedaybook.com. We're going to be offering a video companion to the book and a couple other
00:41:16.360
different products that help guide you along with that. And I just encourage people to check it out.
00:41:21.300
I can really with all confidence say that there's not a person who could read this book and not have
00:41:27.320
it benefit their life in some way. Right on. Well, as we wind down and I did prepare you a little bit
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for this is the question, what does it mean to be a man? You know, I think I recall the answer I gave
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last time and I still stand by that answer. But when I look at the symbols of being a man now,
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I look at a symbol that's an ancient symbol from Eastern religion. It's the symbol of Shiva.
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And the symbol of Shiva is, he's a male God represented that way. And he's lying on his back
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in a lot of depictions. And Kali or Shakti is dancing on his chest and she's wild with wild hair
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and has the heads of men. And Shiva is just non-reactively kind of looking at her and smiling.
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And it's this ultimate peace and surrender to your own actual power. And I think that's a really
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beautiful symbol for manhood. There's a time when you need to be like Tim Kennedy and be
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an outright actual hero and actually step in and do some physical work. But most of the time,
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the most powerful thing you can do is no matter what the chaos is going on, is just peacefully send
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love to all sides there. Because you're not threatened. You're not triggered. You're not
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insecure. You're not compelled to action. You don't need to show anybody anything. You see the truth
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beyond all of these egoic cries for help and these look at me's and these claims of victim. You see the
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truth beyond all that. You stay non-reactive in your love and acceptance of those things because
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you know really who you are. And I think that's the essence of the best that a man can bring to the
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table. Very cool. Very cool. Very powerful stuff. Well, Aubrey, outside of ownthedaybook.com,
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outside of that, anywhere else that we need to connect with you? Yeah, just check me out
00:43:18.360
at Aubrey Marcus. You know, I put a lot of stuff out on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook and I'm
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always kind of bringing the best that I have to offer. And if I stumble and make a mistake, I'm
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the first person to share that on my social media because I'm not any different than anyone here
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listening. I screw up. I have my good days, my bad days. And I've just, through all this process,
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tried to distill and learn and provide insight on how to do it better next time.
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Right on. We'll make sure we link all that up. I just want to tell you, I appreciate you. I told
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you that last time, but I still do still appreciate what you're doing. Still appreciate the messages
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that you're putting out. I hope to connect in the near future. I'm going to try to make it down there
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and train it on it. And hopefully we get a chance to connect then, but appreciate the way you're
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showing up, man. Thanks for joining us today. Yeah. I appreciate you too, brother. Thank you, man.
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Gentlemen, there it is my conversation with Aubrey Marcus, founder of on it. And of course,
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the author of own the day, own your life. I have read the book. It is an amazing, amazing read,
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very practical, very insightful. And I'm trying to implement as much as I can in my own life,
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which I will say is a little bit overwhelming because there's so much valuable information in
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here. So do yourself a favor, go out, buy the book, get the book, implement what you can. And I
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think you'll see some major, major transformations in your life. I hope that you enjoyed this episode.
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I appreciate you. I'm glad that you're on this journey. We need to stand shoulder to shoulder.
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It seems more and more masculinity is being dismissed. And I think we're going to run across
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some real, some very real problems moving forward. If we don't find a way to reverse the trend of
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dismissal of masculinity. And that's what I'm working so hard to do. And I'm glad that you're on
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the journey with me. So again, shoulder to shoulder, please share the episode, let the guys in your
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