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00:00:00.000 I spent time in the military, including an active duty tour to Iraq in 2005, 2006.

00:00:05.820 I know how hard it can be to transition from service to civilian life.

00:00:09.720 One of the most challenging things for me was to go from having a clear sense of direction

00:00:14.120 and purpose to not knowing what my next battle was.

00:00:17.680 I know a lot of our nation's warriors feel the same.

00:00:20.200 Today, I talk with my good friend, Phil Randazzo, about his 15-year mission to help our military

00:00:24.640 members successfully transition into civilian life.

00:00:27.680 I believe so much in what he and his organization are doing that I now sit on the board of advisors

00:00:32.100 for American Dream U.

00:00:34.080 Today, we talk about why transitioning out of the military is so challenging, what our

00:00:38.420 military members should be doing prior to leaving service, how they can find a new battle to

00:00:43.000 fight, and how we can support our nation's warriors.

00:00:45.880 You're a man of action.

00:00:47.380 You live life to the fullest.

00:00:48.840 Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:51.780 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

00:00:55.860 You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong.

00:01:01.300 This is your life.

00:01:02.380 This is who you are.

00:01:03.800 This is who you will become.

00:01:05.520 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:01:10.980 Gentlemen, what is going on today?

00:01:12.240 My name is Ryan Michler, and I am the host and founder of this podcast, The Order of Man.

00:01:17.460 I want to welcome you, whether you're new or have been listening in for three years,

00:01:21.080 to the best show on the interwebs for becoming a better man.

00:01:26.100 I am interviewing the world's most successful men, from warriors to athletes, New York Times,

00:01:31.360 best-selling authors, scholars, you name it.

00:01:33.360 If they're doing good things, big things in their lives, I'm interviewing them.

00:01:37.200 We're extracting their knowledge, and then we're delivering that straight to you through

00:01:41.460 this podcast.

00:01:42.060 So I want to welcome you to the show today.

00:01:44.540 We need more men in this fight, guys.

00:01:46.500 We need more men in this fight.

00:01:47.680 It's amazing to me how much this has grown over the past three years, but as I'm always

00:01:52.040 saying, we need to have more guys anxiously engaged in this battle of reclaiming what

00:01:56.760 it means to be a better man.

00:01:58.240 So if you would, I would ask that, number one, you would go ahead and share this show.

00:02:02.120 Just share it with one person, two people, your brother, your dad, your colleagues, your

00:02:05.720 coworkers, your friends, whoever that may be, and specifically this show, if you would

00:02:09.920 share it with a member of the military.

00:02:12.200 We're going to talk about military life.

00:02:13.760 We're going to talk about transitioning into civilian life, which millions and millions

00:02:17.820 of our soldiers and Marines and veterans are doing, and I want to make sure they have the

00:02:22.480 information that I'm going to share.

00:02:23.540 So make sure you share this episode that you share this show.

00:02:26.060 I would appreciate if you did now, only a couple of quick announcements before we get

00:02:30.440 into the meat of the discussion today.

00:02:32.040 I want to talk with you about building a band of brothers.

00:02:34.760 This is something that gets brought up in our order of man, Facebook group all the time.

00:02:39.220 And it is so, so important.

00:02:40.740 And I think one of the most helpful things in my life is building a band of brothers.

00:02:44.620 This is a group of men who are dedicated and committed to growing their own lives and being

00:02:49.180 successful in their own lives, but they also want to help you be successful in yours.

00:02:52.940 And we've actually got two resources for building your band of brothers, because what I've noticed

00:02:57.980 when I started this journey, probably nine years ago of becoming a better man, it was very

00:03:02.940 difficult for me to find other men who wanted to do the same things that I did.

00:03:07.620 So I just went out and created it and that's what order of man is.

00:03:10.720 And that's what we're doing here.

00:03:11.740 So two quick resources that you are definitely going to want to check out.

00:03:15.840 Number one is we've got our digital band of brothers, and this is called the iron council.

00:03:20.460 This is a group of 360 men from all over the planet who are engaging in assignments and

00:03:27.220 challenges.

00:03:27.760 We're having some very, very focused conversations on the topic of building wealth and getting in

00:03:33.060 better shape and overcoming loss and building businesses.

00:03:37.640 I mean, you name it.

00:03:38.440 If you want to have a discussion about it, we are having some of these conversations.

00:03:42.300 And then of course, and this is a big deal when it comes to building a band of brothers,

00:03:46.240 we've got the accountability in place and that accountability to yourself and to other

00:03:52.240 men is really, I think what separates guys who talk about wanting to improve their lives

00:03:57.340 and the guys who actually do improve their lives.

00:03:59.660 So if you feel like you're stagnant, you feel like you want something more out of life,

00:04:03.540 whether that's increased health or money in the bank account or the new business, whatever

00:04:07.920 it may be, the iron council may be a great resource for you.

00:04:11.340 You can check it out and you can join us at order of man.com slash iron council.

00:04:16.100 Now, the second resource that I wanted to share with you along the idea of building your band

00:04:20.480 of brothers is our three and a half day experience in the mountains of Southern Utah.

00:04:25.500 It's going to be held May 3rd through the 6th, 2018.

00:04:28.440 And what I've noticed, we've done two of these now.

00:04:30.860 What I've noticed is that the men who come to this event, who attend these events are

00:04:35.120 still maintaining contact long after these experiences are over.

00:04:39.320 That's because they've been pushed, tested mentally, physically, emotionally together.

00:04:43.700 They've gone through this.

00:04:45.000 They've talked about their challenges and their struggles and they've helped each other

00:04:47.720 in a period of three and a half days really forges a very, very powerful relationship that

00:04:54.040 I didn't fully anticipate happening when I decided to launch the uprising experiences.

00:04:58.840 So if you want to connect with other men, whether that's digitally or locally, you want

00:05:03.040 to find other men who are doing big things in their lives and by default will naturally

00:05:07.980 help you do big things in yours.

00:05:10.020 Then again, it's the two resources.

00:05:11.600 It's the iron council, the digital band of brothers, order of man.com slash iron council.

00:05:16.200 And then it's our three and a half day experience.

00:05:18.700 In fact, our first experience, we call ourselves the terrible 20 and we all stay in contact

00:05:24.360 because we went through that together.

00:05:25.940 You can find out more about that May 3rd through the 6th, 2018 at order of man.com slash uprising

00:05:32.800 order of man.com slash uprising.

00:05:35.140 So those are the two announcements I wanted to share with you today.

00:05:37.520 I'm really anxious to get into this conversation.

00:05:39.860 I can't even begin to describe how excited I am to introduce you to my friend, Phil Randazzo.

00:05:45.160 Him and I met about a year ago through some mutual acquaintances.

00:05:49.660 And since then we began working together with his organization, American Dream U.

00:05:53.780 He's an extremely, extremely successful business owner working in the financial services industry.

00:05:57.740 But more important than that is this 15 year journey that he's been on to help transition

00:06:02.900 our nation's warriors.

00:06:04.920 I can tell you that this is a man who has his heart in the right place.

00:06:08.380 We've had plenty of conversations about that and he's genuinely, genuinely concerned with

00:06:13.280 helping our veterans.

00:06:14.400 He's been invited to the White House.

00:06:16.540 He's testified in front of Congress on the behalf of veterans.

00:06:19.620 He's been given a key to the city of Las Vegas, commissioned as a member of the Veterans

00:06:23.740 Service Commission.

00:06:24.780 So needless to say, he's committed to the work.

00:06:27.920 And again, I couldn't be more proud to be part of his organization and call Phil a friend.

00:06:34.080 Phil, what's going on, man?

00:06:35.140 Thanks for joining me on the show today.

00:06:36.680 Hey, thanks, Ryan.

00:06:37.740 Yeah, I've been looking forward to this for some time.

00:06:39.420 I was in the military and I know a lot of guys that are listening to this podcast are

00:06:43.380 or have been in the military.

00:06:45.140 And I think there's some real challenges with transitioning from their service into civilian

00:06:51.900 life.

00:06:52.680 And that's what you guys are addressing.

00:06:53.980 I was thinking about this, even before we hit record on this podcast, we have a lot of

00:06:58.940 people in common and we know a lot of people mutually.

00:07:02.080 And if there's one like underlying theme between who I know and who you know, it's you.

00:07:08.540 You seem to be everywhere.

00:07:10.060 So I'm excited to have you on the show, man.

00:07:12.360 I appreciate that.

00:07:13.400 I mean, looking at your guest of speakers that you've had, it's just tremendous.

00:07:16.980 And congratulations on all your success on that, right?

00:07:19.420 So tell me about a little bit about American Dream U, which is your organization.

00:07:24.080 You've been going for quite a while now, but really at the end of the day, the goal is

00:07:26.960 to help these guys transition and gals to transition into civilian life.

00:07:30.720 But tell me a little bit about what the mission is.

00:07:32.600 You know, it started back in 2003, a week after the Iraq war started.

00:07:37.120 I never served, Ryan.

00:07:38.320 I looked into joining after 9-11 and just was medically disqualified.

00:07:42.300 And so, I mean, you were there, you were in Iraq.

00:07:44.440 I mean, it was a whole bunch of young men and women serving our country.

00:07:47.480 I felt like there wasn't a whole bunch of, I don't want to say support, but I thought

00:07:51.920 as civilians, we could do more.

00:07:54.200 And the program, after about 10 years, we helped to wounded their families.

00:07:56.920 We helped build fisher homes and we were early on contributors to Wounded Warrior Project.

00:08:01.880 And then five years ago, I asked a friend of mine who was a colonel at the time.

00:08:06.320 Now he's a four-star general.

00:08:07.900 I said, what can we do to help support?

00:08:09.360 And he says, you know, for some, the transition can be difficult.

00:08:11.900 And so I had the idea just to bring entrepreneurs and different thinkers to military bases and

00:08:17.940 have them share with what's possible next.

00:08:20.220 And that's kind of how it evolved.

00:08:21.880 And that was about 85 events ago.

00:08:24.500 And we've had 17,000 attendees and honored to have you, you know, you speak as well at

00:08:29.220 one of the events.

00:08:30.140 I mean, it was such a cool experience.

00:08:31.760 I actually went out to Fort Sill, which is where I did basic training.

00:08:34.860 And it was really nice to go under there under a different set of circumstances than I did

00:08:39.540 before.

00:08:40.460 But it's pretty amazing when I step back and take a look at what you guys are doing.

00:08:45.040 What do you see as being some common threads or themes that our soldiers and Marines are

00:08:51.720 having a difficult time when it comes to transitioning?

00:08:54.760 The thing we hear most is, you know, I'm only an infantry guy or I only did this or I only

00:08:59.940 did that and I don't have a college degree.

00:09:02.320 And so I'm not qualified to do anything.

00:09:03.660 And we just kind of, you know, as civilians, we kind of look at them and go, do you guys

00:09:07.220 work well with teams?

00:09:08.640 Do you show up on time?

00:09:10.100 You put the mission first, but they're surrounded by a whole bunch of other Marines and soldiers

00:09:15.020 who all do that, right?

00:09:17.100 Getting it through kind of a new mindset that they have what this country is looking for,

00:09:22.660 Ryan.

00:09:22.920 They're looking for leadership.

00:09:24.580 And unfortunately, and I know this is what you're all about, this country, in my opinion,

00:09:29.300 is lacking leadership.

00:09:30.240 And I think this generation of Iraq and Afghan vets can provide that leadership.

00:09:35.140 So we try to instill that, yes, they have the abilities to go out and lead, whether it's

00:09:40.660 a small organization or a large organization.

00:09:42.480 So if I could just say anything to anyone listening to this that might be in the process of transitioning

00:09:47.400 is that you guys have what civilians and what organizations are looking for.

00:09:52.980 It seems to me like a bit of a confirmation bias in a way.

00:09:56.200 I mean, they look around, for example, and see everybody works well as a team.

00:10:00.080 Everybody's disciplined because that's the requirement and that's what is expected of

00:10:03.620 you.

00:10:03.980 And that's what you see around.

00:10:05.580 And yet, I think that's probably not as common in the civilian sector at all from my experience.

00:10:13.840 And that's a very translatable skill.

00:10:16.560 I'm fortunate I own at least a handful of businesses.

00:10:18.940 One of my companies has over 300 employees.

00:10:21.480 Ryan, I can't get people to show up on time.

00:10:23.300 Yeah.

00:10:23.540 And when they do show up on time, they're on social media.

00:10:26.500 You know, they're waiting for everyone else to do the work.

00:10:28.200 So it's frustrating as a civilian business owner.

00:10:31.820 So that's why I try to hire as many veterans as possible.

00:10:34.440 Do you see that there's certain areas of the civilian sector, whether that's, I don't

00:10:39.720 know, construction or starting businesses?

00:10:42.620 I mean, where are these people thriving the most in your experience?

00:10:46.740 Again, after years of doing this and 15,000, 17,000 plus, a lot of soldiers, Marines, you

00:10:54.120 know, et cetera, love to use their hands.

00:10:55.820 I love to work.

00:10:56.560 I love to be outdoors.

00:10:57.620 I think you're one of them, right?

00:10:59.160 Definitely.

00:10:59.800 Definitely.

00:11:00.360 Yeah.

00:11:01.080 And so some of them are thriving doing just that.

00:11:04.600 Carpenters, plumbers, leading outdoor adventures, those type of things.

00:11:08.560 And others are super tech savvy where, you know, the military are leaders when it comes

00:11:14.040 to everything from drones to communications.

00:11:15.980 And some of them just thrive coding or leading.

00:11:19.320 And then, as you know, and you've interviewed a lot of them, everyone from Daniel at Grunstile

00:11:24.220 to Griff at Combat Flip Flops to all these amazing veteran-owned businesses, the military

00:11:30.040 teaches, whether they know it or not, leadership to become an amazing entrepreneur.

00:11:34.200 Absolutely.

00:11:34.640 Absolutely.

00:11:35.980 Yeah.

00:11:36.520 I mean, that's true.

00:11:37.620 A lot of the people that I talk with who are business owners have some military service

00:11:42.520 in their background.

00:11:44.020 Do you find that the people that are transitioning out of the military, majority of them are retiring

00:11:50.100 or are they just finishing up their enlistment contract?

00:11:53.540 What do you see?

00:11:54.620 Yeah.

00:11:55.040 I mean, it's like 90-some percent are those that are just finishing up their contract.

00:12:00.380 They're not retiring.

00:12:01.440 So they don't have that kind of retirement, you know, salary to kind of for a runway.

00:12:06.060 So, yeah, the majority of them are, we're seeing are one or two-term guys, mid-20s.

00:12:10.700 Typically, they don't have a college education and they feel like, or maybe they're told that

00:12:15.420 that's, they need that college degree. 0.65

00:12:17.840 They need that certificate, which in my opinion, I'm a college graduate, but I don't think that

00:12:21.900 paper's worth as much as it used to be worth.

00:12:24.560 And so they're struggling with that.

00:12:26.280 So their first instinct is to go back to school, you know, and get a degree.

00:12:30.580 And we hear it all the time around like, yeah, I want to start my own business.

00:12:32.800 I'm going to get a business degree.

00:12:33.740 I'm like, what class has he taken now?

00:12:35.620 They're like, well, the history of the Beatles and I'm taking this.

00:12:38.120 I'm like, dude, you know, you're going to get so frustrated before you hit the classes

00:12:43.100 that you think might help you start a business.

00:12:45.760 You got to just, you know, go do it on your own.

00:12:48.120 Yeah.

00:12:48.540 Yeah.

00:12:49.080 And what's really fascinating about this is there was a video that just came out recently

00:12:53.100 and I don't know if you've seen this video or heard it or not, but this school teacher

00:12:57.160 belittling a student, this is in the LA area, I think, belittling a student who had a Marines

00:13:02.900 sweatshirt on and basically talking about how the military is uneducated and the lowest

00:13:09.880 of the low.

00:13:10.540 And although there may be some truth to that when it comes to a degree, I think that the

00:13:15.780 military is not a last resort option.

00:13:19.280 I think these are intelligent people using an opportunity to get ahead and to grow and

00:13:24.300 to have some experiences.

00:13:25.320 It's amazing what I hear from some of this, but I don't think that's a general consensus.

00:13:28.720 It's just amazing. 0.96

00:13:29.880 Some of the garbage and nonsense that I hear from some of these very few people. 0.97

00:13:33.720 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:34.100 And, you know, I've said this and I have three kids.

00:13:35.940 They all graduated from college.

00:13:37.220 They all played sports, you know, and I've said this in front of them and I've kind of

00:13:40.440 got them upset.

00:13:41.060 You know, I'd rather hire, you know, one term Marine or one term soldier, airman, sailor

00:13:45.880 with the experience they've had versus someone with a liberal arts degree in college.

00:13:51.180 I mean, to me, it's a no brainer when it comes to that.

00:13:53.580 So I'll have to check out that video, but that's, it sounds disgusting to me, to be

00:13:56.960 honest with you.

00:13:57.620 Yeah.

00:13:58.100 Yeah, it really is.

00:13:59.400 So what do you see as being the biggest challenge then?

00:14:02.540 I mean, we've talked a little bit about the transition can be difficult and of course that

00:14:06.700 maybe they don't think they're qualified.

00:14:08.080 And so they immediately run into college, which I don't think in and of itself is necessarily

00:14:11.880 bad as long as it has purpose to it.

00:14:14.140 But what are some of the biggest hurdles when transitioning out of the military?

00:14:18.680 So what we've heard, and I make calls every week, is that, you know, you leave this tribe

00:14:23.140 of brothers, brothers and sisters, and you have this identity that comes with the uniform

00:14:27.820 and serving the nation.

00:14:29.520 And when you take that uniform off, it's no different than we've had a lot of professional

00:14:32.540 athletes come speak at our program.

00:14:35.400 That identity stays in the locker room or stays back at Fort Silla, wherever you served.

00:14:41.320 And so that's what we're seeing as the most difficult part of the transition is missing that

00:14:45.380 tribe and that identity and that mission driven.

00:14:49.360 So how do we recreate that?

00:14:51.220 That's what we're working on right now, Ryan.

00:14:52.900 And you were on a call last week because you're part of the leadership team here.

00:14:56.200 It's a big challenge for us to get connected with these men and women and let them know

00:15:02.240 it's very, very important to build that community and that tribe once you get out.

00:15:07.620 So, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on that because I know you left and a big part

00:15:11.700 of you serving was your identity there.

00:15:14.520 Well, and it's really interesting you bring that up because if you ask people to tell you

00:15:19.060 a little bit about them, usually what they'll say is they'll tell you their job, right?

00:15:23.220 And they use that as the identifier, the main identifier for who they are.

00:15:28.340 And that might be what you do, but I don't really think that's an indicator of who you are

00:15:32.380 because there's a lot of skills, like you said earlier, that can transition, whether

00:15:36.200 that's discipline, teamwork, commitment, dedication, that can translate perfectly into so many

00:15:41.560 different areas.

00:15:42.420 You are so much more than just your job or your title.

00:15:45.900 And I can see that being a very real challenge.

00:15:48.340 How do you suggest a soldier or Marine build the type of tribe or support unit that you're

00:15:55.420 talking about?

00:15:56.300 I know it's a challenge because these guys are bouncing around every two to five years

00:15:59.580 and that can be a very difficult thing to do.

00:16:02.520 Yeah.

00:16:02.700 You know, that's a big problem, Ryan, right?

00:16:04.280 You know, I wrote a book called Mission Next and interviewed over a hundred amazing, successful

00:16:09.140 veterans and a good portion of them left where they were from because they knew the handful

00:16:14.420 of people they hung out with weren't good influences.

00:16:17.520 So to go to leave the military, wherever you bounce around and go home and then hang

00:16:21.880 out with a handful of people that maybe you shouldn't be hanging out with could be trouble.

00:16:26.440 Absolutely.

00:16:27.080 And we've heard that.

00:16:27.800 So the challenge is finding the right organization, tribe, whether some key people.

00:16:34.500 And that also may mean that you might have to kind of disconnect yourself from those friends,

00:16:38.400 you know, if you go home and some family members.

00:16:40.760 Honestly, I mean, I have some family members who are just a drag, right?

00:16:44.600 Negative.

00:16:45.560 And being around that is not helpful.

00:16:47.580 So build some civilian relationships while you're in the military.

00:16:51.600 There are people like me, a lot of other people that want to develop relationships and

00:16:56.080 connections.

00:16:56.700 And so one of the things that we teach, and you're a master at this, is connections and

00:17:01.120 making connections and building relationships outside the military.

00:17:04.480 So that would be the biggest thing.

00:17:05.660 But it's hard.

00:17:06.660 I mean, I'm struggling with it as a civilian.

00:17:09.780 Sure.

00:17:10.400 Sure.

00:17:10.880 I have very few, and I don't want to get into all my issues and problems because I got a

00:17:15.620 ton of them.

00:17:16.120 We don't have time on this show.

00:17:17.920 We go for hours, right?

00:17:19.140 We go for hours.

00:17:20.340 Yeah.

00:17:20.640 I mean, it's an identity thing and it's super difficult to do.

00:17:23.860 And that's a big part of what I'm doing and what we're trying to teach.

00:17:26.840 And what I share at the basis is building that community outside the gates.

00:17:31.880 Yeah, I can see that.

00:17:32.700 I mean, obviously your network is critical.

00:17:34.840 It's so, so important.

00:17:36.080 And as I improve my network, every other metric of my life is enhanced and improved.

00:17:41.000 It's pretty fascinating.

00:17:42.520 One of the things that I was thinking about is when I was in Iraq, again, that was 2005,

00:17:47.420 2006, I actually took some of my study materials.

00:17:50.780 So my insurance and investment exam study materials to Iraq on a leave.

00:17:55.740 So, so I brought them back to Iraq and in my downtime, I would study and I actually took

00:18:01.660 a couple of college classes and then came back and pass those exams.

00:18:05.500 But it was really interesting because I saw a lot of guys who were doing, you know, marathons

00:18:09.880 of the TV show, 24 or all of their time was just spent, who knows what they were doing

00:18:15.700 in their downtime.

00:18:17.240 What would you say about that and how soldiers and Marines can use their time effectively in

00:18:24.060 service so that they're more prepared when they transition?

00:18:26.880 You said that perfectly.

00:18:28.020 So, yeah, we go to these bases.

00:18:29.500 We're like, all right, what are you guys doing to prepare to leave?

00:18:32.540 We don't have time.

00:18:33.280 Sure.

00:18:33.380 We don't have time.

00:18:34.000 Sure.

00:18:34.120 And I'm like, okay, well, what'd you do this weekend?

00:18:36.220 Well, we did some Xbox 360, you know, we hit Game of Thrones.

00:18:41.120 I'm like, yep, that's, and you saw it, right?

00:18:43.760 You serve with guys who on their downtime were doing, right?

00:18:46.540 So I'm like, just carve out two hours a week, just two hours a week.

00:18:51.180 Plus your net time, your no extra time when you're commuting to work, to the base, when

00:18:56.460 you're working out and download a podcast or listen to a TED talk or an audible book

00:19:03.220 or something.

00:19:03.860 And we all have this extra time and just try it for two hours and see what it does.

00:19:08.360 And I mean, I can just tell you right now, if people listen to a handful of your podcast,

00:19:12.320 it's going to get them hooked on becoming self-educated.

00:19:16.100 I mean, I don't know if I shared my grades when you spoke at Fort Sill.

00:19:19.720 You did.

00:19:20.040 Yeah.

00:19:20.160 You brought those up on the screen, actually.

00:19:22.160 Oh, brutal.

00:19:22.680 Brutal.

00:19:23.060 I mean, my senior year, I had a 1.8.

00:19:24.780 I couldn't play sports.

00:19:25.740 I mean, I went to high school to play sports.

00:19:27.380 I didn't know why they had classrooms in high school. 0.95

00:19:29.440 I mean, to me, it was ridiculous. 0.90

00:19:31.320 It was all about sports. 0.95

00:19:32.200 Same thing.

00:19:32.560 I couldn't get into college.

00:19:33.560 I went to junior college and somehow I made it to college.

00:19:36.420 So traditional learning wasn't for me.

00:19:38.500 But boy, I am hooked on learning.

00:19:41.140 And again, I'm not telling someone not to have some downtime and watch some TV.

00:19:44.980 That's all great.

00:19:45.640 But just carve out a few hours a week.

00:19:47.680 And I mean, look, I mean, you hit the ground running when you came back and you passed all

00:19:50.660 these tests and courses and it set yourself up for a business.

00:19:54.720 And there's no reason why all different branches of service and spouses couldn't improve their

00:20:01.300 life by doing that.

00:20:03.120 Obviously, it's more difficult because you have to exert yourself and you have to have

00:20:06.720 some initiative to be able to figure out what it is you need to do.

00:20:10.340 But I think the military can be such a powerful tool to be able to grow and expand while you're

00:20:16.060 in service.

00:20:16.580 But then also that you can utilize that time effectively to really set yourself up in a

00:20:22.500 very powerful way moving into your civilian life.

00:20:25.300 Yeah.

00:20:25.760 And let me just put this out there.

00:20:27.080 So, you know, I mentioned my grades and, you know, I was most likely in high school to

00:20:31.960 do absolutely nothing.

00:20:32.780 Right.

00:20:33.340 I don't know if I was like the gas station attendant guy or the bus, you know, the dishwasher,

00:20:37.620 whatever the case may be.

00:20:38.640 So don't look at your grades and what other people think of you in terms of your education,

00:20:44.060 just like this teacher ripped this kid with a Marine T-shirt on.

00:20:48.100 Don't look at that because you and I both know people that we're smarter than, but they're

00:20:52.800 more successful.

00:20:53.540 They have better relationships.

00:20:55.340 They're happier than us.

00:20:57.240 Don't look at your skills in terms of your education as a way to move forward because

00:21:02.780 I don't even know if I just said that right.

00:21:04.640 But what I'm saying is I'm not that smart of a guy and I've done okay.

00:21:08.320 And you and I know a whole bunch of people that aren't smart, but just have that determination

00:21:11.620 and that focus to push through and get it done.

00:21:14.920 I think if there's one trait that you need to possess of the two, I mean, both would be nice,

00:21:19.500 but if you had to choose one, I would say resilience, toughness, fortitude, grit, the ability to figure

00:21:27.200 things out and your level of education, formal education, smarts isn't really as important

00:21:34.180 as just grinding your way through things at times.

00:21:36.560 Yeah.

00:21:37.460 We mentioned, you know, Daniel from Grunt Style.

00:21:39.800 He's had one college credit and that was, I think, a health class because he had in the

00:21:44.860 army, he took first aid, right?

00:21:47.620 And he talks about GTS and that's how he started Grunt Style.

00:21:51.740 It's Google that and then the S word.

00:21:53.640 That's how he started.

00:21:54.860 That's how he learned.

00:21:56.300 And he'd be the first to tell you, I just built a team around me to help me succeed.

00:21:59.800 So let me just say something about, about being a, a father and a dad and just a mistake.

00:22:06.160 And I've shared this with people.

00:22:07.940 So if I can just rip just for about 30 seconds, of course, yeah, I've been married 26 years.

00:22:13.140 A few years back, my wife literally came to me and said, 90% of the time, Phil, you're 0.99

00:22:18.460 an amazing husband, an amazing dad, but 2% of the time, you're just a dick. 1.00

00:22:23.460 You get angry. 1.00

00:22:24.680 I have no idea why you get angry.

00:22:26.440 You get frustrated, all this kind of stuff.

00:22:28.740 And what happened was I had a whole bunch of anger and resentment towards my family.

00:22:33.380 It's horrible to say, because I was working 10, 12 hours a day doing something.

00:22:37.200 I hated my day job.

00:22:38.700 I don't get paid for American dream.

00:22:40.000 You.

00:22:40.120 I love it.

00:22:40.580 I wish I could do it a hundred hours a week, but I almost lost my marriage over not being 0.99

00:22:46.280 authentic to myself and just being a jerk. 0.99

00:22:49.400 Right. 0.99

00:22:49.720 I mean, we make all these decisions all day.

00:22:52.140 I'd get home and my wife would be like, Hey, what do you want for dinner? 1.00

00:22:54.540 I'm like, whatever you want to make me.

00:22:55.940 No, I want to make you something special.

00:22:57.220 Do you want chicken?

00:22:57.660 I'm like, I don't care whatever you want.

00:22:59.460 Like the third time I'm like, just effing feed me.

00:23:02.960 Right.

00:23:03.420 I can't make another decision today.

00:23:05.400 And I remember saying this at a base and the guy in the front row was like, amen, brother,

00:23:09.700 you're in my kitchen.

00:23:10.760 Right.

00:23:11.360 And so as men, we need to be conscious of this.

00:23:14.760 And I know, and again, I'm not a veteran, but I know those that are listening that have

00:23:18.700 gone through this, just be conscious about it and be authentic to yourself.

00:23:23.400 And I was chasing the wrong things, Ryan.

00:23:25.700 I was chasing financial success.

00:23:27.220 I was trying to be as successful as people that I hung around with.

00:23:30.640 It was a losing game.

00:23:31.940 It was a losing game.

00:23:33.040 And it got me frustrated, angry, and resentful.

00:23:35.980 I mean, I've been there too.

00:23:38.500 I'm in the same boat and my wife can attest to that as well.

00:23:41.660 You know, it's interesting you bring this up because with order of man, we've been going

00:23:45.640 at this for three years now, and I've never been more satisfied and content and fulfilled

00:23:51.760 in my life.

00:23:52.680 But I think that's a testament to what you're saying is that you're finding something that

00:23:56.140 you're passionate about, that you're enthusiastic about, that you're engaged in, that really

00:24:00.340 fires you up.

00:24:01.320 So I guess my follow-up question to that would be, how does a transitioning military member

00:24:07.220 begin to find what that would actually look like for them?

00:24:11.060 Yeah, that's the difficult part because I'm still actually searching myself.

00:24:14.660 But what I've discovered is, first off, there's very little correlation between making a ton

00:24:19.820 of money and happiness.

00:24:20.920 And you and I both know this.

00:24:22.040 We know people that are super successful financially and they're miserable.

00:24:25.300 They're not healthy, all that kind of stuff.

00:24:26.720 So I'm actually going back to when I was a child and looking at what got me excited,

00:24:31.860 what got me interested, what could attract my focus that I could actually focus on stuff.

00:24:37.400 And that's where I started.

00:24:38.560 And so, you know, I ask a lot of soldiers, I'm like, what do you do on the weekends?

00:24:41.680 Oh, I build apps or, oh, I work on my car, my all these type of things.

00:24:47.560 And look for areas that you lose track of time and just see where you can make some money

00:24:53.620 from those type of things.

00:24:54.680 And again, it's tough because a lot of these, you know, men and women getting out have families

00:24:59.460 and they have to support them.

00:25:00.520 And the financial stress of just having to pay bills is difficult.

00:25:06.140 But it might take three or four different jobs, you know, Ryan, to figure out where you

00:25:11.140 fit in and where your tribe is or a dozen different jobs.

00:25:13.900 But try not to get frustrated with that discovery process because like you and I both know, I

00:25:18.800 mean, we're not young kids.

00:25:20.640 I mean, you're a young kid, actually.

00:25:21.560 But it's a process to figure this stuff out.

00:25:24.220 And I don't know if you have any ideas for the listeners on that, because I know you're

00:25:27.100 in your zone.

00:25:28.560 Well, I think you bring up a really good point.

00:25:30.080 It's like, what are you doing when you lose track of time?

00:25:32.240 Another question that I've asked before is, what are people asking you for advice on?

00:25:36.660 They recognize something in you that you may not even recognize in yourself.

00:25:40.240 And I think when you start to answer these type of questions, you can see some common

00:25:43.480 themes.

00:25:44.360 But you bring up a really good point, too, of starting a business even while you're in

00:25:48.900 the service.

00:25:49.740 And I don't know if there's any rules or regulations against doing this, but I think

00:25:54.180 it's fully possible for a military member to build a thriving business.

00:25:59.840 That might be a digital business, but a thriving business while in service.

00:26:03.960 Have you seen that before?

00:26:05.000 Oh, for sure.

00:26:05.800 For sure.

00:26:06.260 And from what we understand, and again, we're not part of the DOD or anything, but yes, you

00:26:10.240 can start your own business.

00:26:11.960 And we've worked with some men and women and spouses who have actually started their

00:26:15.860 business while in the military.

00:26:17.640 And it gives them that runway, right?

00:26:19.120 I mean, they've got three squares a day and some housing and insurance and all that kind

00:26:23.580 of stuff.

00:26:23.980 So a fantastic idea, Ryan, is to start your business while you're still in the military.

00:26:29.540 And there's tons of resources out there that are free that soldiers could obtain to get

00:26:34.440 that business started.

00:26:36.260 Guys, as I mentioned before, the uprising is now roughly 60 days away.

00:26:41.240 It's going to be held May 3rd through the 6th, 2018.

00:26:43.700 And we have eight spots guys, just eight spots remaining.

00:26:46.900 If you're new to the show or order of man, the uprising again is a three and a half day

00:26:51.000 experience.

00:26:51.760 And we call it an experience for a reason.

00:26:53.520 It's in the mountains of Southern Utah.

00:26:55.140 This isn't your typical corporate retreat where you sit down and some stuffy conference

00:26:59.900 room and hear people talk to you or at you for three days.

00:27:03.560 This is an intense and an involved experience where you'll team up with other men.

00:27:07.820 You'll compete against other teams and physical and mental and emotional challenges designed

00:27:12.300 to push you and get you thinking about life differently.

00:27:14.980 I've had a lot of people ask me what all is included in this event, and I don't give them

00:27:19.080 that information.

00:27:19.780 I give you an overview, the 30,000 foot view, but part of the experience is the element

00:27:24.660 of surprise.

00:27:25.760 But I can assure you it is a life changing experience of the men who have come to these

00:27:30.500 events in the past.

00:27:31.340 I can tell you that their lives were very stagnant.

00:27:34.020 And the three and a half days that we spent together as a team gave them the jolt, the jolt

00:27:39.100 they needed to kickstart their relationships and their health and their wealth and just their

00:27:42.760 lives in general.

00:27:43.420 So you need to get signed up quickly if you are interested because registration is going

00:27:47.300 to be shut down soon.

00:27:48.420 We only have eight more spots guys.

00:27:50.500 You can claim yours at order of man.com slash uprising order of man.com slash uprising.

00:27:56.140 We hope to see you there.

00:27:57.240 So go ahead and take care of that.

00:27:58.540 But in the meantime, we'll get back to the conversation with Phil.

00:28:03.160 The first thing I wanted to ask as we shift gears here is from a business owner perspective.

00:28:09.160 So there's a lot of business owners who are listening to this, who have the potential

00:28:12.760 to hire veterans.

00:28:15.600 And I would be really curious as to what you would say for them in advocating for hiring

00:28:20.640 veterans.

00:28:21.300 I've got a handful of veterans that work for me and I can tell you their worth work ethic.

00:28:27.640 The fact that they show up is just such a game changer.

00:28:30.720 All I do is pretty much tell them what the mission is, what the outcome is.

00:28:34.880 And I know you know this from, or from serving in Iraq for over a year.

00:28:38.340 And they just get it done.

00:28:40.560 So if you're looking to hire somebody who you don't have to, you know, kind of babysit,

00:28:46.820 you know, I got a lot of people who got to babysit on this, on these type of things.

00:28:50.480 Sure.

00:28:50.740 Man, these guys just get it done.

00:28:52.700 These guys and girls that I have, you know, on my team, I don't know how they do it.

00:28:56.900 And maybe I should probably find out how they do it because I could probably learn a lot,

00:29:00.740 but they're just incredible.

00:29:02.620 So if you're looking to hire now, it's got to be, it's got to be the right fit.

00:29:06.000 I don't think a lot of soldiers don't want to come in and work and sit in a cubicle all day.

00:29:10.500 Yeah, that'd be a hard transition.

00:29:11.640 That'd be a hard transition, but they love working with teams.

00:29:15.060 They love to complete a mission.

00:29:17.100 If you're a business owner that needs help, you know, taking something to the finish line,

00:29:21.480 I'm great at starting things, Ryan.

00:29:22.880 I'm horrible at finishing.

00:29:24.620 I'm a horrible finisher.

00:29:26.440 I'm kind of a visionary, I guess, but I have the men and women who know how to get it done

00:29:32.820 work for me.

00:29:33.600 So that would be kind of my advice with that, with hiring veterans would be just make sure

00:29:38.300 you give them the outcome you're looking for, be clear on the mission and let them just have

00:29:43.580 at it.

00:29:44.560 I'd be really curious about your viewpoint on our obligation as a country to take care of

00:29:50.520 our veterans.

00:29:51.440 And there's been a lot of debate from VA to, you know, health insurance and housing

00:29:57.060 and all of these other things and hiring veterans.

00:29:59.640 What is your take on the obligations and responsibilities we have as a country to take care of our warriors?

00:30:06.060 That's a really tough question.

00:30:07.120 I have some veterans that I work with who clearly could have qualified for some type of disability

00:30:12.400 for the number of deployments they did.

00:30:14.340 And they're like, I don't want to take any type of, they consider a quote, a handout or

00:30:18.740 any type of government help.

00:30:20.680 And they signed up, they served their country.

00:30:23.020 They don't want any of that kind of stuff.

00:30:24.900 And then I have other veterans who are like, hey, listen, I deserve what I'm entitled to.

00:30:29.240 And I'm for both of them, right?

00:30:30.420 I mean, I'm a huge patriot and I think we should go out of our way to help our military.

00:30:36.860 But I also think in any group, there's also a sense of entitlement as well.

00:30:41.920 And this isn't from me talking.

00:30:43.720 This is from hearing some veterans that get frustrated with their fellow soldiers who

00:30:47.380 aren't taking responsibility and feel like this country owes them a job or owes them this.

00:30:54.480 That's a really tough question for me, Ryan, to be honest with you, because I, in my opinion,

00:30:58.040 I want them to get the best health care, the best housing.

00:31:02.620 So I don't know.

00:31:03.620 That's really tough for me.

00:31:04.900 And I probably did not answer your question.

00:31:07.200 No, I mean, it's good to talk about because this is something that I'm questioning for myself

00:31:11.580 as well.

00:31:12.300 And I think I fall probably somewhere in the middle.

00:31:15.260 I think that there's some certain contractual obligations that we as a country have to our

00:31:19.760 veterans, and we should certainly uphold those types of things.

00:31:23.080 My health care is provided through the VA and I can see the value in it, but I can also see

00:31:28.560 some horrendous behavior and systems and processes and red tape that has to be jumped through.

00:31:34.180 But then the other side says, yes, you know, I did volunteer to work and to do this job.

00:31:42.240 And am I entitled to anything after that job is over?

00:31:45.420 I can't give you that answer either.

00:31:47.200 And so I'm probably somewhere in between.

00:31:48.940 I just wanted to get your take and your perspective.

00:31:50.840 Sounds like we're actually very similar in that we're somewhere in between, but don't

00:31:54.520 fully know how to answer the question.

00:31:56.520 It's a tough one.

00:31:57.400 It's definitely a tough one.

00:31:59.860 Yeah.

00:32:00.300 And one that I would actually just consider that most of us just think and ponder on a

00:32:04.820 little bit.

00:32:05.240 I think as men, we have an obligation and I think there's going to be some certain responsibilities

00:32:09.880 that we may have to lead our communities and potentially those of you who are listening

00:32:14.100 to lead our country.

00:32:15.080 And so I think these are questions that are difficult to answer, but certainly worth considering

00:32:20.100 and thinking about.

00:32:21.920 You know, talk about serving your country.

00:32:23.480 I would love to see more veterans get more involved in their communities, whether it's

00:32:29.040 on a volunteer basis, whether it's on a political basis.

00:32:32.700 I've got a guy on my team running for Congress and he is just frustrated with what's going on

00:32:38.860 and wants to instill leadership, you know, in the country.

00:32:41.740 So for all those listening, I highly encourage you to get involved.

00:32:44.780 That doesn't mean running for office, but it means just getting involved in your community.

00:32:48.780 Yeah, so important.

00:32:49.980 And I look around, I see one of the things that I talk a lot about is this lack of male

00:32:54.220 leadership in our young men, specifically our young men's lives.

00:32:58.220 And I think we're beginning to see basically the tip of the iceberg on how challenging this

00:33:03.240 is going to be for society in general.

00:33:05.560 And I feel like as men, we have a moral obligation.

00:33:09.160 And I think even more so as veterans, because we've seen other sides of it.

00:33:14.000 And we know some difficult things about the reality of life that a lot of people don't

00:33:19.480 see and are sheltered from.

00:33:21.020 And this is a perfect opportunity to talk with our young men and serve our young men and

00:33:25.300 lead our communities in a way that's realistic versus the suits, you know, in the higher

00:33:30.660 ups that don't really have any realistic experience with what it costs to defend this

00:33:35.960 nation.

00:33:36.240 Yeah, it's life as difficult as it is.

00:33:39.420 And I think, and again, we talked about this early, I think this country is craving leadership

00:33:43.820 and I think men need to start leading.

00:33:46.660 And I know we're going to get into that, into that more, but, and sometimes, man, I'm not

00:33:50.500 a good leader.

00:33:51.280 As I said earlier, as a dad, as a father, as a community person.

00:33:54.540 And sometimes I wear these masks and it's, uh, I'm trying to strip these masks away, Ryan,

00:34:00.140 to be honest with you, because it's tough, man.

00:34:03.300 It's tough.

00:34:05.560 It is a challenge.

00:34:06.660 Definitely.

00:34:07.480 I want to talk about something that is a difficult conversation to have because I personally know

00:34:13.400 somebody who has committed suicide that's been in the military.

00:34:16.180 And I know a lot of people listening have as well.

00:34:18.920 I think this is plague probably is not the right word, but this is something that is,

00:34:22.860 is a serious, serious problem that needs to be addressed.

00:34:25.640 And I'm curious about your take as to why we're experiencing so much of this.

00:34:30.420 And if you have any ideas on what maybe could be done in the future to address these sorts

00:34:34.520 of things.

00:34:35.440 I was, um, asked to testify in front of Congress more about the transition, but the suicide

00:34:40.040 thing came up and it's, it's tragic numbers.

00:34:42.660 It's, you know, the official number is quote 22.

00:34:45.300 We've heard it's closer to 54.

00:34:46.740 Or I know for teenagers, Ryan, it's the second leaving cause of death is suicide.

00:34:53.240 And it's difficult.

00:34:54.460 You know, I've never personally thought, Hey, today would be a great day to just to kind

00:34:59.480 of disappear from this planet.

00:35:00.720 Right.

00:35:01.300 But I could tell you, man, I've had some, some dark times where it's been, um, you just

00:35:05.560 feel super alone.

00:35:06.720 And so I've heard a number of different things that have helped veterans, everything from

00:35:12.100 journaling.

00:35:12.760 And I know you've talked a lot about, you know, journaling gratitude to meditation, to

00:35:18.920 acupuncture, to all these different things.

00:35:21.200 But I think I'm going to throw out, and I don't want to talk about your book and your

00:35:25.340 success, but there's a book by a guy by the name of Dr. John Sarno.

00:35:29.920 And he wrote a book called heaving back pain and the divided mind.

00:35:33.440 And I first heard about him from, from listening to Howard Stern and Larry David as kids, we

00:35:38.880 grow up and man, I feel bad for my kids and I'm trying to work through them.

00:35:43.120 We hear from our fathers and our mothers, and we have all this pain stored up and going

00:35:48.120 through when I was interviewing all of these, these veterans for, for the book I wrote, a

00:35:52.840 lot of this stuff came up from childhood of why they wanted to join or why they wanted to

00:35:57.480 be part of something.

00:35:58.380 And so I think working through some of those things could be very helpful.

00:36:03.680 And Dr. Sarno's books talk about these type of wounds that we carry within our body.

00:36:09.380 And again, I don't want to be too woo-woo about this.

00:36:11.160 I'm the least woo-woo guy out there, but there's a, there's a ton of truth to that. 1.00

00:36:15.260 And so anyone listening who's, who's contemplating that, please, you know, reach out and get,

00:36:21.060 and get help because it's not a solution to your family, to any, any of the things going

00:36:27.940 on, I personally know people who, know people who served with, you know, I even had moms

00:36:35.280 call me and go, my son died in Iraq, even though he was here.

00:36:38.620 It was the horrors he saw or whatever tragic situation, but he ended up committing suicide

00:36:44.200 here in the States.

00:36:45.200 And so it's, it's a person problem though, right, Ryan?

00:36:48.480 I mean, it's not just, it's not just veterans.

00:36:50.280 It's people are using that, um, unfortunately as a way to kind of end their suffering.

00:36:55.300 But yeah, yeah, it is unfortunate.

00:36:57.360 It's tragic.

00:36:57.980 And I think you guys are doing good work because my transition from coming back, not transition

00:37:03.700 out of the military necessarily, but transition from Iraq back into civilian life was a challenge

00:37:09.100 in many ways because I saw what was a very noble mission and a noble purpose and a higher

00:37:15.960 calling on my part to now I have to worry about that.

00:37:19.800 I didn't get the right flavor in my mocha Frappuccino or whatever.

00:37:22.920 And so this, this loss of purpose and guidance and direction in my life was a challenge.

00:37:29.740 And I know I didn't have it nearly as difficult as some of these other soldiers and Marines

00:37:34.440 and military members have when, when they come back from my perspective, I think finding

00:37:39.740 an outlet for this stuff, if you can find a productive and a healthy outlet, whether that's

00:37:44.560 a hobby working out, being part of some organization or team or competing with other men.

00:37:51.080 But I think that goes back to your point about finding a tribe and being around other people.

00:37:55.480 I mean, that's such a valuable answer.

00:37:58.180 Yeah.

00:37:58.380 And I know you run retreats and, and part of that is a lot of, a lot of physical aspects

00:38:04.920 to your retreat.

00:38:05.700 Cause that's kind of what guys do, right?

00:38:07.800 I mean, we're, we're physical warrior creatures and it's frustrating.

00:38:13.040 Like you said, it's like you come home and you've, and you've served their country.

00:38:16.800 You've been away from their family.

00:38:17.800 And then you hear someone complain about they ordered extra hot and it's not extra hot and

00:38:22.200 make it again.

00:38:23.500 And you're like, dude, just come on.

00:38:26.020 Right.

00:38:26.360 It's just, just wait a couple of minutes.

00:38:28.580 Yeah.

00:38:29.540 At the end of the day, it's not a big deal, but I have to say that I have been, that's

00:38:33.680 been me at some points in my life because of frustration and resentment and anger.

00:38:38.560 And so dealing with those types of things.

00:38:40.860 And again, I'm such a work in progress and I'm a mess.

00:38:43.220 And if anyone out there can help me, please help me.

00:38:45.200 Cause we're working on it, man.

00:38:47.540 We're working on it.

00:38:48.340 Yeah.

00:38:48.760 Yeah.

00:38:49.060 So, so, but, but you're right, man.

00:38:50.880 And there's nothing better when I felt just like crap and felt depressed and all that 0.67

00:38:56.280 stuff, hitting the gym hard and having a good workout, right? 0.88

00:39:00.200 Getting physical.

00:39:01.340 I used to do a lot of training and boxing and all those types of things, mixed martial

00:39:05.580 arts. 0.98

00:39:06.440 There's nothing like just rolling around with somebody and just getting your butt kicked. 0.99

00:39:09.860 I mean, there's something to that physical aspect. 0.97

00:39:12.440 So I encourage everyone to keep that.

00:39:14.220 And again, in the army, you're paid to work out.

00:39:16.040 It's called PT, you know?

00:39:18.200 And when you get out, there's, there's no one paying you to work out anymore.

00:39:21.920 So keep that physical, that, that physical aspect up.

00:39:25.000 And I know you're a big proponent of that.

00:39:27.760 Absolutely.

00:39:28.220 I mean, even in Iraq, we had a gym and I had a buddy that him and I would go work out every

00:39:32.220 single day.

00:39:33.820 And there was just a release that came from that.

00:39:36.440 Yeah.

00:39:36.880 We're bumping up against time here, man.

00:39:38.620 But, uh, I do want to tell you, man, I just think you're, you're doing great work.

00:39:42.020 I wouldn't be part of your organization if I didn't believe that you guys were doing noble

00:39:45.820 work and something that I think we as a society absolutely need.

00:39:49.860 So I've got to tell you, I appreciate you from that standpoint.

00:39:52.200 As we wind down though, I do want to ask you a couple additional questions.

00:39:55.500 And the first one is what does it mean to be a man?

00:39:58.600 I think it's, my motto has been show them.

00:40:01.900 And that's been to my family.

00:40:04.220 Instead of telling them that I'm going to change and telling them I'm going to be more

00:40:07.240 patient and be a better listener, I'm showing them.

00:40:09.920 And I'm not even saying anything.

00:40:11.140 So I think in my opinion, and you need to be patient is just show people who you are

00:40:18.220 and be your authentic self.

00:40:20.500 I love that, man.

00:40:21.540 Obviously I see that in you.

00:40:23.180 So many people that are just willing to talk a big game.

00:40:26.000 I'm going to do this and I'm going to do this and look how great I am.

00:40:28.060 And at the end of the day, you look at the fruits of their labor and it's just non-existent.

00:40:31.360 That's not the case with you, man.

00:40:32.720 Again, I'm excited about your organization.

00:40:34.700 I'm honored actually to be a small part of it.

00:40:37.360 And I know you're doing great things.

00:40:38.980 I'm excited for our military members and the help in transitioning that they can get

00:40:44.000 from what you guys are doing.

00:40:45.340 So I appreciate that from you.

00:40:47.300 How do we connect with you?

00:40:48.320 How do we learn more and tap into the resources you guys have available?

00:40:51.280 Everything we offer is free and it's AmericanDreamTheLetterU.org.

00:40:55.860 So you can just jump on there, put in your first name and your email, and you've got some

00:41:00.040 tremendous resources.

00:41:01.560 I don't know when we're launching this podcast, but we've totally redesigned the online program.

00:41:05.800 And Ashley, I wanted to ask you, and I guess I'll just put you on the spot.

00:41:09.800 I would love for you to shoot a video or two and just kind of share your story and what

00:41:14.240 you're doing over there with Order of Man.

00:41:16.580 Yeah, of course.

00:41:17.340 I'd be honored.

00:41:17.980 I'll definitely put that together.

00:41:19.000 Absolutely.

00:41:19.720 Excellent.

00:41:20.460 Well, good, Phil.

00:41:21.020 Well, again, I appreciate you.

00:41:22.140 I appreciate our time.

00:41:22.960 I know we're getting together in a couple of weeks here with your family and my family.

00:41:25.880 I'm looking forward to that and just honored to be on this journey with you.

00:41:30.000 And again, a small part of it, you're doing great things and I can't wait to see where

00:41:33.540 this thing goes.

00:41:34.220 So thanks for taking some time with us today.

00:41:36.120 Hey, thank you, Ryan.

00:41:36.760 And congratulations on the success of your book as well.

00:41:39.080 Thanks, brother.

00:41:39.520 Appreciate it.

00:41:40.160 You got it.

00:41:42.260 Gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Phil Randazzo.

00:41:45.700 He is the founder of American Dream U.

00:41:47.480 And as we talked about in the interview and before we got started, this is an organization

00:41:51.520 committed to helping transition our nation's warriors, our veterans from military life into

00:41:57.500 civilian life.

00:41:58.220 I am part of the organization, so I know a little bit more about the inner workings and

00:42:03.420 how things go behind the scenes.

00:42:05.100 And I can tell you that Phil and his team are an amazing, amazing group of individuals

00:42:10.200 striving to do some incredible work.

00:42:12.520 So if you found value from this episode, if you want to learn more about what Phil is doing,

00:42:16.800 please go check out American Dream U and that's U as in the letter U dot org.

00:42:21.240 You can check us out there and then leave us a message on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,

00:42:25.240 wherever you are.

00:42:25.940 Let us know what you thought of the show.

00:42:27.880 Share this with a military member.

00:42:29.480 More military members need to hear this message.

00:42:32.440 And I think this is a really good way to kickstart that.

00:42:34.680 So share this episode if you would.

00:42:36.860 In the meantime, guys, the band of brothers that I was talking about earlier, the Iron

00:42:40.160 Council, that's our digital band of brothers.

00:42:42.380 It's amazing what experiences these guys are having and the transformations that they're

00:42:46.460 having in their lives as well.

00:42:47.880 So if you feel like you want something more, you need something more, you can't quite put your

00:42:51.100 finger on it.

00:42:51.980 You need a plan or a frame of reference for growing in your life as a man.

00:42:54.960 Go to order of man dot com slash iron council.

00:42:58.400 And then if you want to get out into the mountains with me and 27 other individuals, the mountains

00:43:03.340 of Southern Utah and have an event and experience unlike any other three and a half days, May

00:43:09.360 3rd through the 6th, 2018.

00:43:12.420 Join me at the uprising.

00:43:13.420 It's at order of man dot com slash uprising.

00:43:16.620 I hope to see an iron council. 0.98

00:43:18.320 I hope to see you at the uprising and I hope to see you next week.

00:43:22.380 But until then, guys, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

00:43:27.660 Thank you for listening to the order of man podcast.

00:43:30.560 You're ready to take charge of your life and be more of the man you were meant to be.

00:43:34.340 We invite you to join the order at order of man dot com.

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