Order of Man - 156： How Hunting Makes You a Better Man

00:00:00.000 I went on my first hunt just last year and I can tell you that it was one of the most rewarding

00:00:04.800 experiences I've ever had. I have another trip planned in a couple of weeks and I already know

00:00:09.460 it's going to push me and it's going to expand me in new ways as a man. Although I wouldn't call

00:00:15.320 myself a hunter just yet, I am learning and inspired by men like my friend and guest today,

00:00:21.160 Adam Greentree. He's been hunting in Australia for most of his life and I really wanted to get

00:00:26.100 his perspective because it's one we just don't hear a lot of. Today we talk about why adventure

00:00:31.180 is so important in the lives of men, developing an open mind to new ideas and experiences,

00:00:37.080 knowing what battles to fight and when to make a stand and how hunting can make you a better man.

00:00:42.180 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears and boldly chart your

00:00:47.120 own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily

00:00:53.100 deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is

00:01:00.420 who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can call yourself

00:01:05.780 a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler and I am the host and founder of

00:01:11.460 this podcast, The Order of Man. I want to welcome you to the show, whether you're just tuning in for

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00:01:21.740 I'm absolutely blown away with the level of support and the growth that we're seeing here

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00:01:43.580 things that we've been talking about for years. And when I get messages like that, it reminds me why

00:01:49.200 we're doing this podcast, why we are engaged in this movement. And it is a movement, guys. Millions

00:01:54.820 and millions of men across the planet are tuning in. They're banding with us. And we need more guys

00:01:59.880 in the fight. We need more men who understand what it means to actually be a man. We need more men who

00:02:05.560 want to bestow that masculinity upon our boys. And quite honestly, we as men and our boys, the youth,

00:02:12.800 are just not getting the message that we need. And we're not getting the experience that we need.

00:02:16.820 And that's what this movement is all about. So with that said, I want to thank you for joining me

00:02:21.620 again. We need all of us to be engaged in this process. And this is just one very simple way to

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00:03:03.160 more men. Now I do have a couple of quick announcements before we get into the meat of

00:03:06.680 the conversation today. Number one, our digital brotherhood, it's called the iron council guys.

00:03:12.360 This is a collection of 360 men. We are working together. We're having conversations. We're going

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00:03:40.780 reestablish a relationship with your children. I don't know. I don't know what that looks like

00:03:45.760 for you. Again, I hear and get messages every single day with some of the battles that you

00:03:49.440 guys are going through. And I'll tell you what, men are just not meant to go at it alone.

00:03:54.420 We're not. And I think those of us who do attempt to go at it alone produce significantly less

00:04:00.140 results than those men who find a band of brothers. So if you have somebody locally, great.

00:04:05.320 I'd be willing to bet that most of the men listening don't have what they would call a

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00:04:27.560 Now, outside of that, I've just got to give you a couple of quick disclaimers here. I did title

00:04:31.900 this how hunting makes you a better man. All right. Now, please understand me because I know

00:04:36.720 I'm going to get some pushback on this. I don't believe that every single man out there needs to

00:04:42.040 be a hunter in order to call himself a quote unquote man. That's not what I'm saying. But what

00:04:46.860 I am saying is there's some skills and there's some tools and there's some experiences inside the

00:04:52.500 practice of hunting that will enhance your ability to protect, provide and preside. Now, whether you do it

00:04:59.300 or not, that's entirely up to you. But I ask that you go into this conversation with an open mind

00:05:04.200 and think about how this experience might help you perform a little bit better as a man, whether

00:05:09.940 you decide to take that information and apply it, that's entirely up to you. The other thing I want

00:05:14.620 to make mention of the audio is a little off on this one. All right. You got to give me a break

00:05:18.720 though, because Adam is in Australia. I'm here in the United States. We're across the planet from each

00:05:23.380 other, but the audio is a little rough. It's okay. Hang in there because there's some valuable,

00:05:28.080 valuable information in here. And on that note, I'm just going to jump right into introducing

00:05:32.820 my friend, Adam Greentree. For those of you who don't know, and I know a lot of you guys follow

00:05:37.300 him. He's an avid bow hunter. He's in Australia. I just mentioned that he's the host of the Bow

00:05:42.340 Hunters Life podcast and is somebody that I really admire and respect for a lot of reasons, but

00:05:47.720 specifically his dedication to his craft and his quest for mastery when it comes to all things bow

00:05:55.480 hunting. I've learned so much from this guy in a very short period of time. And he's inspired me

00:06:00.440 to live a life of more adventure and to pick up a bow. A lot of you guys have seen my, my progression

00:06:05.640 with that and see what the fuss is all about for myself. I'm also again, blown away with his hunting

00:06:10.620 schedule. I mean, the amount of hunts this guy participates in is unreal. We talk about that a

00:06:15.420 little bit in the podcast and how he does it. And the adventures he takes part in will definitely,

00:06:19.820 definitely inspire you to tap back into your primal roots. So sit back, enjoy, take some notes

00:06:25.360 and enjoy this conversation with me and Adam. Adam, what's up brother? I am glad that you are

00:06:31.320 joining us on the show today. It's so awesome to be on here, dude. We have been trying to do this for,

00:06:37.160 it must be eight months now. Well, you're a busy man. You're always traveling around the world. So

00:06:42.200 yeah, I know it's crazy. It's just hectic, but I'm stoked to finally be sitting here in front of this

00:06:47.040 pretty stupid computer screen and talking to you. Well, and it was good to be able to meet up too

00:06:53.060 and put a face with a name when we met up in Salt Lake, what a couple of weeks ago for the Western

00:06:57.080 Expo. It was really cool. My boys, I told you, my boys had a great time, loved meeting you, loved

00:07:01.860 meeting Cam, all the guys. It was, it was a cool experience for them. Yeah. Same here, dude. It was

00:07:06.280 just awesome to see you guys. I think we must've first seen each other at the 5k run. Cam Haynes' 5k run.

00:07:13.040 Yeah. And I was stoked to see you guys rock up there and participate in the run and

00:07:16.880 everything like that. So it was cool. And just meeting your boys, you know, I'm a family man as

00:07:20.460 well. So it was awesome to meet your kids as well. It was rough on that 5k. Cause my oldest son,

00:07:26.080 he started off really good and he did really well at first. I'm like, Oh, this is going to go good.

00:07:30.240 My second son really struggled to begin with. Like he didn't want to do it. He was complaining. I'm

00:07:34.880 like, come on, dude. And had to push him along. And we got about halfway through that thing and my

00:07:39.140 oldest burned out. So he started dragging in my second, caught a second wind and started to take off.

00:07:45.460 So trying to like balance between the two boys was, was a challenge, but it was still fun.

00:07:50.300 It was tough. Me and Kim went in the run and like, we live at sea level, dude. We got there and I

00:07:55.780 felt like I had like half a lung, but I was just really proud of my wife. She ran for the whole

00:08:01.300 thing. So I was just stoked to see her do that. But no, I didn't even see her there. I didn't know

00:08:05.580 she was there with you. Yeah. Yeah. Kimmy did it. She did the whole run. She'd had a couple of late

00:08:09.940 nights and everything like that. And plus we're just trying to adjust to the timeline difference.

00:08:15.600 But, um, no, it was cool. We got it done and it was just, it was just the ball. And like I was

00:08:19.520 saying, just before the podcast started, like so many like-minded people, you know, all the one

00:08:25.640 spot. Yeah. It was just the unreal atmosphere, dude. I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. So does Kim,

00:08:31.480 does she hunt with you? Does she go everywhere you go and hunt with you?

00:08:34.000 Yeah. I think the first 15 or 16 years together, she just listened to all my romantic bow hunting

00:08:40.760 stories and it's finally wore off on her. And she started hunting a couple of years ago and she got

00:08:45.460 her first buck last year during the rut. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's been really good. She's had a really

00:08:49.680 good experience and she's come a long way in the last couple of years. And our rut's actually just

00:08:54.880 about to kick in for our fellow deer and our red stag. So, um, she's getting all g'd up and wanting

00:09:00.940 to go out. So that would be cool. That's awesome. What have you learned in sharing with her how to

00:09:06.880 hunt and, and teaching her the skillset that you've developed? How long have you been hunting? Have

00:09:11.340 you been hunting your whole life? Yeah. With a bow. Uh, I don't sort of call my, the years with the

00:09:17.140 rifle hunting cause it was more like vermin control here in Australia. There's obviously a lot of

00:09:22.040 introduced pest species that are really bad for the ecosystem. And, you know, it was more just

00:09:28.320 culling than hunting. But when I got a bow, when I was 17 years old, it drastically changed into

00:09:34.120 hunting, you know, spotting and stalking and just a whole bunch of romance that comes behind that and

00:09:39.920 passion as well, rather than just going out with a gun and, you know, pretty much bombing up on these

00:09:45.340 feral introduced species. So what am I, I think I'm 37 or 38 now. So I've had a good 20 years

00:09:53.420 bow hunting. So yeah, it's been, been an awesome journey and I'm still learning today, dude. That's

00:09:57.840 what I keep telling people. Like, like I still haven't mastered it. 20 years of just being a

00:10:03.680 hardcore bow hunter and I still get surprised by the way deer react or what they do. So

00:10:08.880 it's been, uh, been pretty crazy. Is that the most rewarding part for you? Just the fact that there's

00:10:14.240 more to it. I imagine, you know, once you learn all that's needed to be learned about a particular

00:10:19.220 skill, it could get boring and tiresome in a way, but I can't see that with bow hunting.

00:10:24.020 There's a couple of things that in the past that I've done that I could say that I've mastered.

00:10:28.600 And it's like, once you master something, it actually gets, you know, because it becomes

00:10:33.420 easier. It becomes like second nature. And I know some guys that are in their sixties and

00:10:38.520 seventies, bow hunters here in Australia that say the same thing. They're still getting a lot

00:10:43.160 of enjoyment out of it because you never really master it. There's just so much to it. You know,

00:10:48.540 there's just, it's ridiculous. You know, I think it was only two or three weeks ago and

00:10:54.820 I got in on this really big bark. I put some photos up on Instagram, this beautiful, big,

00:10:59.640 the color's called mean old fellow buck and they're like spotty and stuff like that. And

00:11:03.680 I got right in on him like 14 yards away and I'm at, or dude, no, I already had this thing

00:11:10.760 in the freezer. You know, I'm like, this thing is dead. Anyway, I'm at draw on this buck

00:11:15.760 and usually I shoot low because I, fellow deer react really fast. Like, like an axis

00:11:20.940 deer, you know, anyone that's ever hunted axis deer, they, they use the tigers chasing

00:11:24.720 around and they just drop. So I usually aim for the heart and they drop every time. I

00:11:29.720 usually hit them about double lungs, aiming for the heart. Anyway, this thing's really

00:11:34.080 relaxed and it's heads down in the grass. And, you know, like I said, I'm at full draw

00:11:38.100 and everything's calm and I'm like, yeah, this thing's dead. And then a buck behind him

00:11:43.000 notices me and just a slight reaction, but every deer reads that reaction, even though

00:11:49.200 he's got his head down and feed and every deer knows the sound of that reaction. So

00:11:53.840 he was now fully alert and I rushed the shot off thinking, you know, I've got him and this

00:11:58.620 thing dropped straight under the arrow, dude. And I'm like, I'm like heartbroken. It's

00:12:03.100 like, how can they do that? It's like full matrix, you know? And that's what I mean.

00:12:07.900 And then there's that, you know, I just stuffed one up. I just missed it. And as bad as that

00:12:13.020 feels, that's what keeps me hooked because, you know, then comes the passion that, oh,

00:12:18.540 far out. I just want one so bad, you know, like I just screwed that up. How could I do

00:12:22.760 that? You know? So it's like that down of bow hunting, that bit that pushes you down and

00:12:27.580 just tells you, you know, better than the dirt, you know, nothing, nothing's a given. And

00:12:33.300 that's what I really love about bow hunting. Nothing's a given. That's not the hate on rifle

00:12:37.000 hunters at all, but that's something that I got out of rifle shooting. It seems like the

00:12:40.700 hunt's over a lot quicker than still having to get right in the range with a bow and make

00:12:46.760 the absolute perfect shot and drop that animal, you know? And that's why I think I'm very

00:12:50.940 addicted to bow hunting.

00:12:52.420 What would you have done differently in that scenario looking back on it now?

00:12:55.540 If I aim for the heart, if I had those couple of seconds longer to aim for the heart, then

00:13:00.700 I would have probably hit him double lungs or for the top of the lungs and, you know,

00:13:05.160 and dropped him. But if we went out, if we killed something every time, it just wouldn't

00:13:10.600 be the same thing. I think I hate failing, but I love failing and something because it

00:13:15.560 keeps me going at it. And that's what bow hunting is in a nutshell for me. It's a, it's

00:13:19.500 a tough journey. That's got a reward at the end of it. If you keep putting the effort in.

00:13:24.320 How has it changed since you started teaching other people? I mean, you're, you're teaching

00:13:27.980 your wife over the last couple of years. Obviously there's hundreds of thousands of people that

00:13:32.320 are learning from you. Has, has it changed for you since then?

00:13:35.140 Not really. I'm just doing what I do. It doesn't matter what it is, if it's bow hunting or woodwork

00:13:39.780 or just anything in general, like I like passing knowledge on, especially to my loved ones, but

00:13:45.080 to anyone that wants to give me the time of day to learn, you know, I just love pushing

00:13:49.800 that knowledge on. And I used to always say, I hate the thought of people not realizing what's

00:13:56.600 happening out there. I worked on a massive construction site when I was 18 or 19 years

00:14:01.160 old. I wasn't, I worked on this big construction site and I was one of the youngest guys on the

00:14:04.920 site. I used to always promote bow hunting, you know, just back then I used to take the

00:14:09.560 hunting magazines into the lunch rooms and stuff like that. And I got a couple of guys in the

00:14:15.040 bow hunting at that point that were in their late forties, early fifties, and they'd never

00:14:20.260 even knew it existed. You know, it's a very different thing here in Australia. You know, it's

00:14:24.620 just not really promoted like that. But these guys didn't even know it existed. And I always

00:14:29.700 say, I wish I got in the bow hunting at an early age and I got into it at 17 and I've

00:14:34.800 got regret that I didn't discover it earlier. Well, these guys were just like, I, like we

00:14:40.260 never knew this existed. I just wish that we knew about hunting with a bow and arrow

00:14:44.840 earlier. You know, everything that flows on with that, like getting meat, you know, providing

00:14:50.180 for your own family, you know, and you know, it's fresh and all, you know, it's very fresh

00:14:53.700 and organic meat. The adventure that goes with it, like these guys weren't really regular

00:14:58.400 campers or hikers or anything like that. Well, all that goes in with bow hunting because

00:15:03.120 as you know, if you're spot and stalk, you need to cover a lot of country. You need to get

00:15:06.640 into the back country where you probably have to camp. So all those experiences came with

00:15:11.360 it, you know, and I just hate the idea that there's a bunch of people out there that don't

00:15:16.520 know how good that experience is, you know? Yeah. And I think the world's a little bit

00:15:21.340 lost there, not knowing that's out there. Well, I think there's definitely a connection

00:15:26.100 there and obviously our ability to connect with nature is huge and we've got away from

00:15:29.840 it as we've built these mega cities and we've got technology and nothing against those things.

00:15:34.880 All of that stuff's wonderful, but it's isolated us from nature and from adventure. And in following

00:15:41.240 you for, I don't know, the last year or so, I've seen from your perspective, that's

00:15:45.980 something that you really enjoy is that adventurous side of things. Can you talk about

00:15:49.600 that? Yeah, it's just, it's an absolute beautiful thing, you know? So I've seen Kim,

00:15:54.940 Kim's the very city girl. I've seen her go from being that very city girl to a real, we

00:16:02.100 call it a bushy here, but like a real country girl. The appreciation that she's got out of

00:16:08.020 that for nature and for all the good little things that we've got in life in modern technology

00:16:13.880 and stuff like that. I see that she appreciates that a lot more. It's so easy to overlook

00:16:20.580 how amazing that is when you just don't realize it's there. And that's what the city does and

00:16:26.480 like what a nine to five job does. It's pulled you away from that. And I don't know, it's

00:16:31.320 just like out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people. And so everything that I do, I don't

00:16:35.820 think anything that I do is special at all. I just, it is what it is. And I get all these

00:16:41.300 crazy messages from people saying, that's amazing that you just go out and camp under

00:16:45.140 the stars like that. And no, that's just normal. We'll all do on that at one stage. You know,

00:16:49.920 this, this is nothing out of the ordinary. It's just that the city has taken that away.

00:16:56.100 Yeah, it really has. Is there a hunt in particular, and I'm sure you've been on hundreds, if not

00:17:00.460 thousands of hunts, but is there a hunt in particular that you thought, man, this is,

00:17:04.000 this one is like, like tops the list for being the most adventurous?

00:17:07.440 Not really. Like everyone always freaks out about the solo hunts and stuff that I do. And

00:17:12.580 so that's usually where like the back country in Montana comes into play. But here in Australia,

00:17:17.520 it's really wild country. Like you're walking around out there and it's, and you've got that

00:17:23.420 feeling that no one's even ever walked this same path that you're taking, you know, like that's,

00:17:28.040 it's just so remote. Like, dude, you could die out there and no one would find you. That's the

00:17:33.840 sort of remoteness it is, you know, like it's crazy to think, but indigenous Australians have

00:17:39.080 walked it forever. The truth is you're not the first person to walk it. Indigenous Australians

00:17:43.360 have walked all over it. But now if a lot of indigenous Australians also live in, in cities

00:17:48.880 and towns and communities, you walk through there. And at that point you sort of are the

00:17:54.120 only guy, you know, any person that's walking that country. So I'd have to say,

00:17:59.180 Arnhem Land, Australia, it's just, the place is full of dinosaurs, dude. There's massive big salt

00:18:03.800 water crocs swimming in the water holes up there and just, just big buffalo.

00:18:08.340 Yeah. I've seen some of the stuff you've posted. Yeah. It's absolutely crazy. What is your level of,

00:18:14.160 of preparation look like? You know, I've, I've talked with, uh, John Dudley. Um, he talks a lot

00:18:19.740 about the way he shot cam, obviously in the way that he shots and he's out every day and, and we all

00:18:24.720 see what he does in the gym. What does that look like for you? So the beauty of Australia is there's

00:18:30.200 virtually no hunting seasons. Like all my huntings open all year round. There's no tags or anything

00:18:37.700 like that. Because as I said, they're like, they're all introduced species, you know, they're all

00:18:42.020 invasive species. So I can literally hunt all year round and I pretty much do. And I, I don't really

00:18:48.780 find a gap there where I'm like, Oh, I need to hit the gym or I need to do a bit of cardio and stuff

00:18:53.420 like that. Cause like before I come to Montana or the back country there in the, in North America,

00:18:59.200 I've already done a bunch of hunts leading up to it that I sort of get there and I'm sort

00:19:03.960 of like trotting up the mountain dude, you know, with a big backpack on. I'm like the only thing

00:19:08.600 that really affects me is, uh, the elevation because you know, everywhere in Australia is

00:19:13.880 pretty altitude. So, um, everywhere here is pretty close to sea level. And I've just got a

00:19:20.040 training mask here that, uh, underarm sent me over and I usually do a little bit of running

00:19:24.160 in that before I get to the high elevation. But it's funny if I had the gap, I definitely

00:19:29.940 would because I never want to struggle on the mountain or on a hunt. You know, I definitely

00:19:34.400 would. But my preparation is literally just the, the hunt beforehand, you know, and it's

00:19:40.920 the same with shooting. Like if I'm at the cabin or if I'm in camp, I'm, I'm literally

00:19:45.160 practicing shooting why I'm at the destination that I want to be because we just take a target

00:19:50.940 butt in the camp or whatnot and have a bunch of shots, make sure the bow is shooting well,

00:19:55.140 make sure nothing's been bumped or anything like that. And, and I don't change anything,

00:19:59.680 dude. I like, I shoot the same arrow set up from a rabbit to a massive water buffalo.

00:20:06.520 I don't change anything. And people think like, that's crazy. Like it's overkill. It's like

00:20:10.780 600 grains of arrow, but I don't have to ever change my sights. There's nothing that can go

00:20:16.680 wrong there. Like, Oh shit, I'll shoot in the wrong grain broadhead. You know, that's why my

00:20:20.520 arrow's off. It's just the same setup for everything I shoot. Yeah. It sounds like it's, it's just

00:20:25.420 simplified the process. Right. And then you don't have to worry about all these little,

00:20:28.440 little nuances that could, and potentially will go wrong. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So I was talking

00:20:33.800 to the guys at Hoyt and the president of Hoyt there, he's about to go on a, a Cape buffalo hunt

00:20:40.380 and he was talking about the sort of setup that I use for my buffalo. And I'm just like, you just,

00:20:46.340 you can't go wrong with this setup. Like it's a good solid setup. Like I'll literally shoot

00:20:51.480 buffalo and like their buffalo are like two times wider than a 29 inch shaft dude. And that arrow

00:20:59.300 will completely pass through and leave the buffalo. You'll be on the other side of where you shot the

00:21:02.940 buffalo looking for your arrow, you know? So it's just like, yeah. And I also tell a story about the

00:21:07.720 big red deer that I shot this stag, I called him off and he come running down to like nine yards

00:21:13.240 and he was like half shy and away. He didn't quite know what I was. And I was looking for the right

00:21:17.880 angle. And I thought I could get the shaft in this pocket here in a soft spot and up into the chest

00:21:23.100 and probably through the top of the heart. And as I shot, like they just react so fast. If they're

00:21:28.860 slightly aware, he sort of dropped, rolled and come down like that. And it was a horrible shot.

00:21:33.880 I was using that solid arrow setup that I was talking about with a solid two blade broadened.

00:21:38.960 And it's just like one piece of steel, this broadened seed machine through one piece of steel.

00:21:44.220 And so it went through the heart and I just dropped this big stag on the spot. And right then and there,

00:21:49.720 I said to myself, I'm never going to change that setup because that could have been a fatally

00:21:55.000 wounded animal that I may never have found, or I would have broken the arm on this side and he would

00:22:00.660 have just been wounded and, you know, had to live, I don't know how many years with a wounded leg like

00:22:05.800 that. So I thought I'm not going to change that setup for anything. And I didn't, I've shot it the

00:22:10.520 whole time. There's been a couple more cases where I'm just like, if I shot anything else, a three

00:22:14.840 blade, an expandable, a mechanical, that broadened just would have damaged. It would be a nice

00:22:20.600 situation to be thinking about or try and live with. So yeah, I was stuck with that setup for everything.

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00:23:37.040 Adam. I'm always amazed at just from being new in the hunting world. I'm amazed at the ethical

00:23:44.680 standards of hunters. I mean, you're talking about it right now. You're talking about wounding an

00:23:48.940 animal and that living with you. And I think there's this really interesting perspective from

00:23:54.960 the outside world who's never been hunting that, you know, you're beady eyed killers, right? And

00:23:59.520 you're just enjoying the kill itself. And it's not like that at all. I mean, how do you address this

00:24:07.080 pushback and this negativity that I'm sure that you just get in droves?

00:24:11.460 Yeah. So one thing is being a hunter has actually made me more passionate about animals and more

00:24:17.900 passionate about being humane and more aware of where your meat comes from and the process that

00:24:23.860 it goes through. And there's been a couple of animals that I've killed now that I've actually

00:24:28.580 shed a tear over, dude, because I am so passionate about wildlife. No, I haven't shed a tear because

00:24:33.760 I'm like, this is the wrong thing to do. I shed a tear knowing that this meat comes from,

00:24:40.400 it's okay to do this, but it's still an animal's life. And I still feel, and I'm very passionate

00:24:46.180 about it. Where the argument comes from and where most of my hate mail comes from is just

00:24:51.100 ignorance. Someone that's eaten a burger at McDonald's or feeding their cat a tin of

00:24:56.500 whatever animal product, but they want to have a go at me because the meat's not sitting in a packet

00:25:03.620 like a pretty packet like this with some fluffy animal picture on it. And it just says the weight

00:25:09.140 of the meat and how much it is. That's fine. But me being with the animal and showing the animal

00:25:14.700 respect and people don't like it, it's so weird that they're like that. Most of them I just ignore,

00:25:21.020 like I pick my battles. I see someone that just doesn't understand and I see someone that's just

00:25:25.460 pure ignorant and they're never, ever going to understand and they just want to talk some shit

00:25:29.240 online. But in saying that, I actually haven't been getting a ton of hate mail. It's actually been

00:25:36.140 so much positive messages from vegans or ex-vegans or animal rights people and ex-animal rights people.

00:25:45.620 It's like, there's definitely a movement. There's been a change now with particularly the way that

00:25:51.240 like Joe Rogan's pushed it across the board and like guys like you talk about, like Cameron Haynes,

00:25:56.260 and there's just a ton of awesome ambassadors out there at the moment that are pushing what the

00:26:01.300 majority of real hunters are like, you know, and that's that what we're talking about. Just

00:26:05.420 people that are very respectful over the animals that they hunt, you know, and just I really want

00:26:11.140 to be humane. And it's, it's almost selfish because I don't want to feel like what we're saying just

00:26:17.920 then. I don't want to feel that guilt and bad for wounding an animal. So I make sure I go to every

00:26:23.640 effort as possible to make sure my setup is perfect, dude, to make sure I get within my effective range,

00:26:30.840 to make sure I know the vitals of an animal, you know, to make sure it's just a quick, clean kill.

00:26:36.580 And the animals that I shoot with a bow, like, I'm hurt, I'm hurt, I'm hurt. They're not running.

00:26:42.380 They're just running out of, that's their instinct to run. You know, most of these animals actually

00:26:47.940 don't feel pain. They just run out of instinct. Like, what was that? And then I've even had them do it.

00:26:54.260 They run out so far, they're really relaxed and they're like, looking back, like, what was that?

00:26:57.920 And then they fall over dead, you know, like that's perfect. That's beautiful. And that's what we strive

00:27:03.620 for as hunters. I do believe that there is kind of this new resurgence or awakening, if you will,

00:27:10.360 to people and the hunting industry in general. I think about like conservation efforts. And that's

00:27:16.420 one thing that I think is really misunderstood that some of these animals, frankly, they're going to die

00:27:21.700 anyways, or they're going to create other problems. You talk about, for example, some of these species

00:27:27.360 being introduced and them causing problems. And I really think that there is, that like the biggest

00:27:32.860 conservationists seem to be hunters from my perspective. Would you agree with that?

00:27:36.740 Yeah, definitely. There's a reason why it's legal. There's a reason why there's a tag for those

00:27:41.940 animals. In the American system, there's not a tag there so we can wipe them out. There's a tag there

00:27:47.200 because there's a great enough number of them that to keep them healthy and populated and for money to

00:27:53.160 go into conservation, they tag and then you can legally go out and hunt that animal. In Australia,

00:28:00.280 there's a reason why it's legal to hunt those animals because they're invasive and they're wiping

00:28:05.000 out other species. So they're wiping out fauna and flora. So we need to decrease these animals. We're

00:28:11.580 never going to get rid of them in Australia. It's too late for that. They're everywhere. They're spread

00:28:15.260 everywhere. But now we need to work as hard as we can to control the population. And it's proven that

00:28:21.200 hunting is a massive factor in decreasing those populations. A hell of a lot more that goes with

00:28:28.720 that. Like we can just say conservation, like that's already big enough. That's already great.

00:28:33.220 It's already a good enough reason to do it. But it also supports all these little towns where hunting

00:28:40.320 is based. So people drive in there and get an accommodation, food, fuel, there's jobs that come

00:28:45.520 out of it. It's never ending. It's just huge. The benefits of hunting are just huge. I know there's

00:28:53.100 towns that if they didn't have a duck season, those towns would not exist. There would not be jobs there

00:29:01.020 for people. So there's a lot to it. And this is sort of backpedaling a little bit. Like say I shoot a pig,

00:29:07.900 a wild pig in Australia. And someone wants to give me shit about that. Like, you know,

00:29:12.000 why can't you just let the animals live? But those pigs are wiping animals off the planet. Like

00:29:18.360 they've already done it. They've pushed ground nesting birds, a bunch of ground nesting birds,

00:29:23.500 frogs and lizards and all sorts of creatures already to extinction. They're never coming back. We're never

00:29:29.340 going to see those animals again. But people don't have a problem with the pig being there and wiping

00:29:34.620 out animals and killing animals. But they've got an issue with hunters going and hunting the pigs.

00:29:38.880 It's so weird. Like I just, like sometimes I'm just like, is it just my mind that's that free

00:29:44.540 that I can see this? I'm saying it because I'm a hunter. I'm saying it because I've got an open

00:29:49.420 mind. I hunt because I've got an open mind. I don't hunt just because I'm a hunter. And I don't

00:29:54.720 justify things because I'm a hunter. I'm just not that sort of person. If something wouldn't be

00:29:58.660 correct to hunt or right to hunt, I just wouldn't hunt it.

00:30:00.960 I, well, I think you bring up a really good point. I think it does have to do with being

00:30:04.740 open-minded and being closed-minded. Like some people genuinely, they only want to see one side.

00:30:11.600 And so they'll never take the time or the energy to go in and explore what's actually happening,

00:30:17.960 why hunters are so involved, how hunters actually behave. And almost what's sad about that is these

00:30:24.040 people with these closed minds, sometimes it seems like they tend to be the loudest people too,

00:30:28.700 right? So when somebody doesn't know, they're automatically assuming that these people with

00:30:33.320 closed minds are accurate and this is correct. And I think that's kind of the travesty.

00:30:37.040 Yeah. I'll still look at an animal and go, look, there's a tag for it and it's legal to hunt,

00:30:40.480 but I'll still do my research, especially when I'm traveling overseas and I don't have the whole

00:30:45.220 picture. I'll still do my research to make sure that that's the right thing to do. It's funny,

00:30:51.020 me and Cam talk about it a bit. There'll be 200 positive comments and you'll read through them and

00:30:57.420 appreciate them. Like I appreciate them, but there's that only that one negative comment and

00:31:01.980 it is the loudest, you know, which is weird, but it's the one, like I tend to respond to that one

00:31:06.700 as opposed to the other hundred that are good. Yeah. I've tried to stop that. Cause I'm not,

00:31:11.480 I'm like Cam will be nice. Whereas I'll tell them to go and fuck off. Do you know what I mean?

00:31:19.700 And not get worked up. That's just how I talk. But, um, yeah, it is funny that that always seems

00:31:25.980 to be the loudest one, you know, like it's also funny. I've never felt the need to go on to any

00:31:32.360 forum or anyone else's Instagram with anything. There's plenty of things that I don't agree with.

00:31:36.800 I've never felt the need to go on, write that to that person. Like, it's just like, don't you have

00:31:41.880 better things to do in your day? Like, please, no one's going to quit hunting because of your one,

00:31:46.260 your one negative. That's never happened in the history of mankind. No one has ever been,

00:31:51.240 you know what? I'm not going to hunt anymore. They're right. You know, that's never happened.

00:31:56.120 Well, there's this really interesting button that's new, I guess, that people haven't seen.

00:32:00.120 It's called the unfollow button, right? So like if you are following someone that you don't agree with,

00:32:06.960 just click that little button and then you don't have to see any of their stuff anymore. It's

00:32:10.780 amazing. And it'll be better for them. They'll have a better day, a happier day. And so

00:32:14.380 will whoever they're negatively commenting to. What are some of these species that have been

00:32:19.320 introduced into Australia that you're talking about? So there's 27 huntable species here in

00:32:24.360 Australia and every single one of those is introduced. The biggest ones would be like

00:32:28.780 water buffalo. They came from Asia. There's a couple of islands off Australia that have got

00:32:33.700 Marion turkeys on them. So they've been introduced. Then you've foxes, rabbits, jackrabbits, pigs,

00:32:39.700 goats, six species of deer. So we've got fellow deer, red deer. We've got rooster deer, chittle deer,

00:32:46.360 or you guys usually call them axis deer, samba deer and hog deer. There's camels, there's donkeys,

00:32:52.240 there's some real weird ones there. There's feral. So like the house is so overrun and wild here in

00:32:57.340 Australia that I think it's single-handedly killed off more species, like sent into extinction,

00:33:03.760 more species of wildlife than any other animal. Did you say cats? It cut out right when you said

00:33:10.020 that? Yeah, cats. Yeah. So like your domestic cat has gone wild and feral in the bush. So Australia

00:33:16.260 had no predators, dude. So the birds would nest on the ground. You know, there's no instincts built in.

00:33:22.500 Right. Nothing's hunting. Exactly. So all these ground nesting birds are just obliviated and frogs and

00:33:28.360 lizards and it's just stuff that's not used to it. And cats aren't killing to eat, you know, like they

00:33:34.420 do that as well. But cats and like foxes and our wild dog population, they thrill kill. So they'll go

00:33:42.220 through and just, you know, they just kill, move on to the next one, kill, move on to the next one.

00:33:46.580 And the other thing is when there's an abundance of wildlife that they can get to, they'll be really

00:33:52.600 selective eaters. One of the landowners, and this is talking about domesticated animals now, but

00:33:58.360 one of the landowners that I know, their lamb population kept dropping down. The first year,

00:34:04.920 I think they noticed a drop and they only had like 70% of their lambs for the year. And then

00:34:10.320 the next year it dropped and they only had like 40%, like a massive drop. Then last year, dude,

00:34:17.620 they got zero lambs, zero lambs. And it was this wild dog population and the wild dogs were just going

00:34:24.600 around and killing all the lambs during lambing season. They were becoming really selective eaters

00:34:30.260 at that time. And they were literally just eating a little bit of chest cavity out of the lambs and

00:34:34.260 eating the organs and moving on to the next lamb. And they wiped their whole income out, dude.

00:34:40.200 Oh, my goodness.

00:34:41.040 Just insane. Imagine, that's just what they're monitoring is their lambs, because that's what

00:34:46.480 they make money out of. These wild dogs are also going around and killing wallabies and

00:34:50.840 wombats and echidnas and all of Australia's natives that they can get to. They're also

00:34:55.340 killing them. Then I post a photo of a wild dog and like everyone loses their fucking mind. It's

00:35:03.260 like, are you kidding me? That's an innocent wild dog. Yeah. And that innocent wild dog is killing

00:35:09.340 innocent animals. It needs to be controlled. It doesn't belong here. It's not good. We've done

00:35:15.740 our research and it's not good for our ecosystem that these wild dogs are running around uncontrolled.

00:35:21.580 It's the same with bears and Canada's new initiative with hunting and bears. Wolves are

00:35:27.800 very much the same way. We have coyotes around here. They're not a huge problem, but they've killed

00:35:32.800 one of our turkeys. They've got into our chickens. So yeah, I mean, this is a legitimate problem for

00:35:37.760 sure. And it's only going to get worse unless we control it, unless we keep coming around. It's

00:35:42.160 only going to get worse. And what makes that worse is cities are getting bigger. People are getting

00:35:47.020 more closed off to what actually happens out there in the wild. A part of me just says, just do what

00:35:53.140 you do and stop worrying about battling the masses and defending it and stuff like that. But another

00:35:59.000 part of me says, no, just keep trying to educate. This year has actually been that big battle where I'm

00:36:04.500 just like, I'm sick of defending the sport. I've been doing it for 20 years. Like ever since I started

00:36:09.160 bow hunting, I started writing articles. And if I could get a word in on newspapers and stuff,

00:36:14.280 when something negative was coming out about bow hunting or hunting, I'd try and do it.

00:36:18.860 You know, social media is perfect because it's immediate. You know, you can put the word out

00:36:22.820 there immediately. And yeah, I try and educate for that as well. But at the same time, I'm just

00:36:28.040 fighting the same battle I have been for like 20 years. And I don't give up on anything, but a little

00:36:33.380 bit of it just says, just do your thing. Enjoy it. Stop trying to defend it.

00:36:37.200 I do believe there is an obligation to your point that, I mean, for the next generation of

00:36:42.120 hunters or whether it's hunting or another battle that you're choosing, like I do believe we have

00:36:46.640 an obligation to fight for those things that are important to us. So other people can enjoy that

00:36:51.360 as well. Yeah, definitely. I think a big part of it is just that I understand it so much that it's

00:36:57.780 just like, this is normal. Why can't everyone else understand it? But, you know, like I said,

00:37:04.680 you go into one of these big cities and stuff like that. And I sort of live the two lives as

00:37:09.040 well. You know, like I'm in the city a bit and I'm then right out in the wild, you know,

00:37:13.300 and you can see how people can be closed off from this. A lot of people, all they know is

00:37:18.280 that city, their city and their life. And that's how it's supposed to be.

00:37:23.600 Yeah. I just, you've just got to keep an open mind.

00:37:26.060 Yeah, definitely. I wanted to ask you about photography because in your Instagram profile,

00:37:32.240 obviously photography is something that's important to you. I mean, you can tell on the

00:37:36.180 quality of the pictures and the work that you're putting out there. Did that just come of necessity

00:37:40.800 and being out there and wanting to take pictures and share what you're doing? Or has this been a

00:37:44.260 hobby you've had for a long time? It's sort of been a hobby that I've had for a long time.

00:37:48.040 Like I remember just going out camping and fishing or it's hard for me to remember a lot of things

00:37:53.200 and you're always busy. And I found if I had a photo of whatever the experience was,

00:37:58.100 whatever that was, to look back on that photo, it was like the memory straight away. Like,

00:38:02.980 oh yeah, that's right. You know, we were down there camping or, you know, yeah,

00:38:06.320 that was a beautiful night or whatever it was. And that was just pretty average photos that I used

00:38:11.760 to take for a lot of years because it was just about capturing that memory for myself and my close

00:38:18.520 friends. In a way, it was about promoting the outdoors and what I do. And a photo could do so

00:38:25.100 much better of that and me telling like, like you could have a big article that I wrote, you know,

00:38:31.460 and it was like glorious and it's nice to get all the facts. Well, then you could just show someone

00:38:35.820 a photo and let their own mind run wild with that photo. And then once I got into writing articles and

00:38:42.240 the quality of photos had to be a lot better, I think it just was a natural progression. You know,

00:38:47.060 that's how it went along. And then to the point now where it is, I want the photo to just represent

00:38:53.060 what I'm looking at myself. And sometimes a photo never does that, dude. It doesn't matter how good

00:38:58.040 you are. I'll look back on the photo. I'm like, man, that day was so much better than that photo.

00:39:04.340 What the image that I was seeing with my eyes was so much better, you know, and then,

00:39:09.020 and even film doesn't really capture that a lot of the times. And the film will be glorious.

00:39:14.160 It'll look unreal. I'm like, who was still better than that? You know, some things you've just got

00:39:18.840 to live for yourself. Yeah, that's so true. I mean, I think about that, you know, you take a

00:39:22.700 picture of a cool sunset or you see the moon and it's huge in the sky. And then you take a picture,

00:39:26.820 you're like, wait, that's not what it actually looks like. And so I liked that point that you

00:39:31.140 made of like some things you've just got to experience for yourself. Well, Adam, we're winding

00:39:34.720 down on time, man. This has been a great conversation and I've been looking forward to just having

00:39:38.160 this conversation. Obviously I respect you, appreciate what you do. And I think you're a great advocate

00:39:43.340 for hunting in general, which is something admittedly I'm just getting into, but I'm really,

00:39:47.280 really enjoying it. As we wind down, I do want to ask you a couple additional questions. The first

00:39:51.720 one is what does it mean to be a man? For me being a man, and I know it's called order of man, but

00:39:57.620 you know, I just think human dude, to be a human, it's just about being good, you know, and thinking

00:40:02.660 about like how you feel for how would others feel and love and appreciation for everything we've got.

00:40:09.200 Cause some people will never have the things that just me and you've got, dude, family, dude,

00:40:14.360 some people will never have kids. So, you know, love and appreciate that. I just love people smiling

00:40:19.720 and being happier around me, dude. If everyone around me is happy and smiling, then I'm like happy

00:40:24.460 and smiling, you know? So I just think just being a good person and going all out to like, you don't

00:40:30.360 know what tomorrow brings. I don't know what tomorrow brings. I could be dead tomorrow. Might as well be good

00:40:34.680 today. You know, I might as well have people happy around me today. So that's what it means to be a

00:40:40.180 man, a human. Yeah. A human. Yeah. Very cool. I like it, man. Well, how do we connect with you?

00:40:45.160 What's the best way to link up with what you're doing? Probably I put most of my time and effort

00:40:49.940 in the Instagram these days. So it's just adam.greentree on Instagram. And if you don't like

00:40:55.900 the hunting side of things and hunting ain't for everyone, you know, I can respect that.

00:40:59.680 Then, uh, first.man.image is just me photography page. Usually everywhere I go, I just sort of take,

00:41:07.120 uh, take stuff that's not so much hunting related. It's just the outdoors or the stars or a cabin or

00:41:12.780 my wife, whatever it is, you know? So yeah, it's cool. Awesome. We'll link it all up. Well,

00:41:18.440 I wanted to tell you my boys and you know what I've, I've found is that kids are a really good

00:41:23.720 indicator of another human being because they're, they're raw, right? They'll tell you exactly what

00:41:29.600 they see, exactly what they feel. And my boys were so excited to meet you. They're like,

00:41:34.360 ah, I really liked Adam. The only hangup my oldest son had. And I was going to tell you this

00:41:38.600 is he said, dad, he said, damn. Cause I guess what you said is you're like,

00:41:43.220 these are damn fine looking kids or something like that when you had met them. And that was

00:41:46.860 his only hangup, but man, other than that, and he's like that, but other than that, man,

00:41:51.100 they loved meeting you. And I can tell that if the boys have a good time around you and certainly

00:41:55.980 they were smiling and having a good time, then that speaks highly of you. But in the limited

00:42:00.260 interaction that we've had, man, I've enjoyed getting to know you a little bit better. I'm

00:42:03.220 enjoying hopefully to get to know you a little bit more than that, but man, I appreciate you

00:42:07.640 coming on. I appreciate you parting some of your wisdom with us and looking forward to doing this

00:42:11.240 again, man. No, awesome, dude. I love it. And it's been a pleasure to be on and I'm glad we finally

00:42:15.300 hooked up. Gentlemen, there you go. My conversation with Mr. Adam Greentree. Again, I know the audio was a

00:42:21.660 little bit off, but there was so much value in this episode. If you took that information in and

00:42:25.780 you really tried to understand what he was sharing, the life of adventure, conservation efforts,

00:42:32.000 all of the things, the skills, the mastery that goes into the process of being a successful bow

00:42:37.000 hunter. And I really enjoyed the show. I hope you did as well. Guys, if you would make sure that you

00:42:41.700 connect with him. He spends a lot of time on Instagram. I'm there as well. Facebook, Twitter. I mean,

00:42:47.440 you name it, you can track us down. You can find us, but give us a shout out. Let us know what

00:42:51.380 you liked about the show. Let us know what you're going to implement. If you're going on any hunts

00:42:54.960 anytime soon, please let me know. I've got one coming up in two to three weeks, like I mentioned

00:42:59.540 earlier. So you guys will be seeing some pictures on that from me, but a really great conversation.

00:43:04.080 Again, I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Now, the couple of quick announcements as we wind

00:43:08.320 things down again, just a reminder on the uprising, five more spots left. So if you're on the fence,

00:43:13.540 you're thinking about it, you don't really know if it's for you, whatever it may be,

00:43:17.100 go check it out. Orderofman.com slash uprising. Or if you want, just send me an

00:43:21.340 email, Ryan at orderofman.com. With your question, I'll be able to answer any questions

00:43:26.180 within reason. Of course, we don't get too much into the specifics because that element

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00:43:34.060 email and let me know what questions you have again, five spots left. So get on that quick

00:43:37.420 with that guys. I am going to check out for today. I appreciate you being on this journey

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00:43:48.200 on In the Trenches, and then you'll hear from me on Friday for Friday Field Notes. But until then,

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156： How Hunting Makes You a Better Man ｜ Adam Greentree

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