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00:00:00.000 Every man at some point will lose his way. It's not really a question of if, but a question of

00:00:04.620 when. And when that day comes, the way you decide to face that adversity will spell the difference

00:00:09.400 in you overcoming or succumbing to that adversity. My guest today, Powerlifter Brandon Lilly,

00:00:14.960 is a man who has faced his fair share of obstacles, but refuses to quit and always

00:00:19.300 charges forward. We talk about the power of saying no, why nothing ends with a period,

00:00:24.660 how to develop more confidence in your life, overcoming the need to be seen,

00:00:28.600 and why every man ought to consider adopting the mantra, work, don't whine.

00:00:33.240 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly charge

00:00:38.060 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time. You are not

00:00:43.920 easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are.

00:00:51.100 This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,

00:00:55.440 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler and I am

00:01:01.200 the host and the founder of this podcast, The Order of Man. By now, you probably know what we're

00:01:05.880 all about. This is a show about helping you become a better man on whatever front you're showing up

00:01:11.760 in in your life as a husband, a father, business owner, community leader, again, wherever you're

00:01:16.560 showing up. And what we're doing each and every week is interviewing the world's most successful men

00:01:21.680 on this podcast, asking questions, getting their answers, distilling those answers and that wisdom

00:01:27.020 and experience into 45 minute to 60 minute shows, sharing that with you. Hopefully you and me and

00:01:33.000 everybody else listening can improve their lives again on every facet of what they're doing as a

00:01:38.880 man. So as always, I'm glad you're here, whether you're here for the first time or tuning in for the

00:01:43.220 past three and a half years now. It's great to have you along. I cannot believe how much this has

00:01:49.740 grown, but again, and I've said this before, it's a testament to the power of the message and more

00:01:54.340 importantly than that, the fact that we as men need to and have a desire to step up more fully in

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00:04:00.920 let's get into the conversation today. I have been following a gentleman by the name of Brandon

00:04:05.460 Lilly on social media for some time now, and we've managed to build up a friendship. We've got some

00:04:09.860 common interest in particular, it's archery. That's how we initially got connected, but I've

00:04:14.420 been so blown away with this guy's story and I knew he'd make a great guest for the show.

00:04:18.280 A lot of, you know, who Brandon Lilly is. If you don't, I'm not really sure how you've missed him.

00:04:23.160 He's one of the biggest men I know, and he's certainly one of the strongest. He's ranked as one of the

00:04:27.720 strongest power lifters. And he consistently, consistently lifts more than 2000 pounds combined in the

00:04:34.880 deadlift, the squat, and the bench press. He's worked and consulted with SEAL teams, University

00:04:41.060 of Kentucky football, the Bengals, so many other organizations and CrossFit gyms around the country

00:04:46.120 with Soren X. But on top of all that, he's a man who is extremely, extremely humble in failure and

00:04:52.140 victory. You're going to hear some of those stories today. Today, he's going to be talking about

00:04:56.260 overcoming some of his trials and why he's adopted work, don't whine as his mantra.

00:05:01.540 Brandon, what's up, man? Thanks for joining me on the show today.

00:05:06.240 Ryan, thank you very much for having me. It's been a mess trying to get here, but we got here,

00:05:09.660 didn't we? Yeah, well, you know, sometimes anything worth doing is going to be a little

00:05:13.060 bit of a challenge and some obstacles and hoots to jump through, right? Yeah, yeah. It's been a

00:05:18.080 crazy couple of weeks for both of us, but it's all good, man. Yeah, what do you got going on?

00:05:21.500 You got a lot going on? Yeah, May was really, really hectic for me. I did it to myself intentionally

00:05:26.860 because for the last eight years, nine years, just on the road, on the road, on the road,

00:05:31.860 you know, sometimes two, three weekends a month. My son has baseball. I purposely just booked my May

00:05:38.320 full, 26 days on the road, just hammering it out. But the next two months, I'm pretty much home.

00:05:43.520 I've got a day trip here, there, a one weekend trip, I think. But I'm pretty much home and I'm

00:05:47.700 pretty much dad this summer because I kicked my own ass there in May. But it's just learning to

00:05:52.580 balance those things. So yeah, man, I got a lot of great stuff cooking this fall, be in South Africa,

00:05:57.260 be out West in California doing a couple things, but I'll be all over. But the next two months, I'm

00:06:02.880 dad. So when you say you were so busy in May, it was it was work related stuff. Oh, yeah. I work for

00:06:09.100 Sorenex. You know, a lot of people have the perception that, you know, you're just an internet

00:06:13.540 personality or whatever. You know, I think a lot of people are shooting for that. But I've always had a

00:06:18.000 job. I've always had multiple jobs. And that's that goes back to when I was 14 working on a farm,

00:06:22.980 just all the way up. I've always worked and I've always enjoyed it. And I've never shied away from

00:06:27.920 it. Even when there were a couple times I dipped my toe into like just being an online coach. And

00:06:33.800 as good as it was, it's like, well, I have so much downtime. Why am I not working? It just makes

00:06:39.240 sense for me. And like, you know, we talked just a little bit before we got on when I am bored. I am

00:06:44.380 self-destructive as far as like, I just sit there, go down the rabbit hole of mistakes I've made,

00:06:49.780 guilt, whatever. So I stay busy. I stay focused on moving forward and I can work with the best of

00:06:54.060 them. Well, you bring up a really interesting perspective. And one of the things I tell the

00:06:57.980 guys all the time is I've never met a man or a woman, anybody. I've never met anybody who's

00:07:03.840 depressed, beating themselves up, throwing pity parties down on themselves when they're actively

00:07:09.220 engaged in meaningful work. And for me, I know that's been true because I get down on myself,

00:07:13.580 just like anybody else. I think sometimes it's really easy to look around and see these guys

00:07:17.600 online and Instagram and Facebook and all the things that we're doing. And we're showing our

00:07:21.020 highlight reel, right? Everybody looks at it and thinks, oh, this guy's got it all figured out.

00:07:25.380 Well, that's not true. But look, if you don't want to feel bad, just go work, just get to work.

00:07:30.220 Absolutely. I mean, you can take, you know, somebody that's ultimately motivating,

00:07:34.460 ultimately successful. Let's just take the rock somewhere in his life between Monday and Sunday,

00:07:39.860 he has a bad day. I guarantee you, it might be that he lost money from his investments. It might

00:07:46.840 be that his kid is sick. It might be something that guy has stressed just like everybody else.

00:07:52.320 And I can say this with 100% certainty. I don't care how good it looks on the internet. Every single

00:07:58.560 person I've met that I've looked up to and respected and kind of taken on as a mentor has shit going on in

00:08:04.020 their lives. They just have found an operating system for their life that allows them to maintain a

00:08:09.520 high level of positivity in spite of that negativity. I really think we do ourselves and the people who

00:08:15.340 connect with us a disservice when we don't show them the real side, which is, hey, I'm down today,

00:08:20.160 but here's what I'm doing to work through it. Absolutely. That's just it, man. I mean,

00:08:23.860 that's why I started getting myself up at 4.30 in the morning because I'd kind of gotten into that

00:08:28.620 mode of, okay, I'm comfortable. I am able to get up at 10 or 11 and start my work day and go about

00:08:35.160 my business and I can get it done. But why not get it done early, be proactive, and then give

00:08:42.540 myself the opportunity, hey, I can go on this hike now because I've got five hours of work behind me

00:08:46.760 and it's only 10 a.m. Or I can go shoot my bow or I can go shoot my pistols or I can do whatever I

00:08:52.380 want. It's a matter of discipline. And I wasn't being disciplined. I told myself I was because the

00:08:57.320 work got done. But if I was comfortable in that discipline, why not get a little uncomfortable and see

00:09:02.360 if I can find a new level of comfort and a new level of achievement through that discomfort?

00:09:07.400 Was that simply a decision that you made? I mean, did you wake up one day and you're like,

00:09:10.600 yeah, I got to do better? Or was there some catalyst for change there?

00:09:14.460 If I'm brutally honest, it was coming for a long time. I just kind of felt myself lulling back into

00:09:20.480 that. Okay. I'm just, I'm getting my work done. I'm comfortable. Oh, I got a nice paycheck or I got

00:09:25.580 this. And it's like, all right, life's pretty good. I've never thrived in that environment. So I was

00:09:31.640 already having the wheels turn towards that direction. Like I need to do something different.

00:09:35.660 And, you know, I started following Cam Haynes a little while back and I saw how much he was

00:09:41.260 getting done. And then I heard him say something. Why would I take away time for my kids and run when

00:09:46.540 they're home? He's like, yeah, that happens. But I get the brunt of my stuff done when they're still

00:09:51.620 in the bed. And that was such a light bulb for me. It's so simple, but it was such a light bulb moment

00:09:56.140 for me because it's like, no, if I go to the gym at five o'clock and that's when my family gets home

00:10:01.200 and I get to see my friends and things like that, they're all done. And I'm just going to go pour

00:10:05.920 myself into a three hour workout or two hour workout. Maybe I can do a little better. And I

00:10:10.360 don't fault anybody for that choice if that's the only choice they have. But I did it for 20 years.

00:10:16.960 I slided everyone, even myself, because I burned relationships that could have been nurtured with

00:10:22.820 just a little bit more concern for others, but everything was concerning myself. So I thought this

00:10:28.480 switch would be a good thing as far as discipline. I thought it would be a good thing as far as my

00:10:31.820 business, but I also thought it would be a good thing as far as my personal relationships, because

00:10:35.920 I looked around, I got friends all over the country, but I don't have a lot of friends locally

00:10:40.600 because I'm always that guy that's either on the road or I'm training from five to seven 30 at night.

00:10:46.440 And then I go eat, then I go shower, then I'm right back home. So I kind of made myself into a recluse

00:10:50.460 by default without even really knowing it. And then once I started training earlier, it's like, God,

00:10:55.700 I got so much time. I can go have lunch with somebody. Now I just started doing all the

00:10:59.580 things differently and it opened so much for my life. People are like, man, I can see such a

00:11:03.880 change. Yeah. I'm around people again. I'm around people that I love and care about again. And it's

00:11:08.700 like, it was always right there. I just, I was too self-centered to realize it, you know?

00:11:13.980 Well, and one of the things you said is that those people who don't have a choice, but I mean,

00:11:17.980 I got to push back on that a little bit because we all have a choice. We all have a different

00:11:23.260 option. And I think what a lot of people do is they'll use it as an excuse. Like I've heard,

00:11:27.260 I've had guys on the podcast who will say, uh, and I can't remember exactly who said it. And I want

00:11:31.700 to give them credit where credit is due, but they said, uh, noble obstacles. Like the reason I can't

00:11:36.200 go work out in the morning or whenever is because I need to take care of my family or because I'm going

00:11:41.920 to work. And it's like, well, I care about that stuff too. Yet, yet I've found a way to get the

00:11:47.400 workout done. You know, as I said that I expected a little kick in the balls over because I was sitting

00:11:52.660 here saying, if I was on the flip side of this call, I probably would have said, no, you do have

00:11:57.080 a choice. You know, I guess I'm just trying to play the PC thing where, you know, you don't want

00:12:01.480 to hurt anybody's feelings, uh, you know, that's out there. No, we're allowed to hurt people's

00:12:05.520 feelings here, especially guys that need to hear it, man. People do need their feelings hurt, honestly,

00:12:10.080 because I think it builds in motivation, but I, there's exception to the rule. There might be one

00:12:15.340 guy out there that's busting his ass. And the only time he can train is when his kids are at home. So I,

00:12:18.980 I'll say that. No, I agree. I, there's always an exception, right? And what I think a lot of

00:12:23.760 people do is they'll take the one exception, the 1% exception, and they'll apply it across

00:12:28.640 everything. And then it's not really an exception in their case. They just look at somebody where

00:12:33.580 that exception is legitimate. And they're like, see, that proves what I'm saying. It's like, no,

00:12:37.760 no, no, no. The reason that's working out for that guy is because X, Y, and Z, but don't,

00:12:42.340 do you dare place yourself in the same category as that you're fully capable of making this work for you.

00:12:47.060 So that's a very valid point. I think that a lot of times, you know, informational bias,

00:12:52.120 if you're looking for a reason to not work out at 4am, you'll find somebody that proves your point.

00:12:56.840 If you're looking for a belief system that's in line with yours, you're never going to find the

00:13:01.840 opposite. So yeah, I totally agree with you. I guess I was just playing the PC game for myself.

00:13:07.120 And you probably have to play it more. I mean, I imagine people just look at you like the sheer

00:13:11.240 sight of you and they're intimidated. Like, what is this guy going to do to me?

00:13:14.260 So what it amounts to for me is I put my foot in my mouth plenty of times talking in absolutes.

00:13:20.760 And I know absolutely what I believe. It's good for me to share that message, but to kind of impose

00:13:26.360 that on others is that my life is the right way versus theirs. I've had some moments where I'm like,

00:13:31.780 well, shit, I probably should have been a little more like receptive to the other side, because

00:13:35.980 then I become just like them. I'm narrow minded. And, you know, on the internet, things get really

00:13:41.420 misconstrued a lot through context. And for me, sitting there arguing with somebody about what I

00:13:47.360 meant in a caption on a quote and a meme versus, you know, having an insightful conversation with

00:13:53.360 someone about bettering their strength or bettering their home life or bettering their own, you know,

00:13:57.720 whatever it is, I'm engaging with somebody negative. So I just try to remove all doubt and

00:14:02.340 just say, look, if there's somebody out there that can't do it, whatever.

00:14:04.860 And that's why this podcast, just the podcast medium in general is so good, because a lot of

00:14:10.700 times when I make something, a post on Facebook, people will say, oh, you missed X, Y, and Z. It's

00:14:15.340 like, well, I had 140 characters to make a point. And this is one of the thousands of things that I'll

00:14:20.380 say. But that's why I really enjoy this medium of podcasting, because we can have more in-depth

00:14:25.220 conversations and go back and forth and agree and disagree. It's just a much better platform for that

00:14:30.360 kind of stuff. I think it's changed the world. You know, when you're a kid and your parents

00:14:34.080 are listening to talk radio, you think it's the most boring thing in the world. And maybe it's

00:14:37.080 because of our age, but there are kids listening to podcasts. If the information is available and

00:14:43.600 we're turning to that information, that gives me hope because I don't think there's a lot of people

00:14:48.000 out there that are non-motivated people doing podcasts. I don't think there's podcasts out

00:14:53.180 there where they're just people just talking shit on everyone else. There might be.

00:14:56.560 There probably is. Now I'm really curious about finding that, but there probably is.

00:15:01.640 But you know what I mean? Like it takes a motivated person.

00:15:04.640 Of course, they're not going to exert themselves.

00:15:07.420 Exactly. So I'm thinking that most podcasts are going to have some benefit because you're

00:15:12.380 doing something. You're talking to somebody with an opinion. And even if it's the wrong opinion,

00:15:16.240 at least maybe you'll believe in something. I don't know.

00:15:18.700 Or even if you don't agree, at least it'll open your mind to a new perspective. That's what I found.

00:15:22.840 Like I've, I've listened to so many hours and out just countless hours of podcasts. I'm like,

00:15:26.620 I don't agree with that, but it's interesting. And it opens me up to a new idea, maybe in an

00:15:31.740 unrelated area.

00:15:33.340 You know who I, who I really look at, I love his podcast, but again, a foot in mouth moment

00:15:38.680 as Andy Stumpf. I listened to his podcast all the time since this event, but I was at Power

00:15:45.020 Athlete HQ with him. And we were in an engagement talking about training for law enforcement,

00:15:51.560 fire department, special forces, the military in general, and things like that. And I kind of

00:15:56.180 pushed him on the fact that, you know, he was a SEAL because I've worked with a few SEALs and some

00:16:02.140 of the teams as far as just some contract coaching and it's all been good, but there were a lot of

00:16:07.620 holes in the system that I saw. And I was like, well, why don't you as a guy who's enthusiastic about

00:16:11.860 training? And, you know, obviously you wear a SEAL, why don't you give your feedback on the way

00:16:15.320 they're doing things? He said, because it's not my job. You know, there's somebody that's hired to

00:16:18.800 do that. I could help 1% of the population versus 99. And I kind of pushed him back on that. But the

00:16:25.260 thing is, he's a SEAL and he knows probably better than anyone else what kind of information would be

00:16:32.320 received and what kind of information would be rejected. He might know internally that he's just

00:16:36.560 wasting his time if he tries to go that route, but here's an outsider trying to give him an

00:16:40.900 insider perspective because for six months I worked with a team, you know, he had 20 plus years. So

00:16:46.760 it's like, you really better make sure that you're an expert on what you're speaking from an expert

00:16:51.880 perspective. You'll find that guy that is more of an expert than you are. And then you're an asshole.

00:16:56.380 And that's what I look back on that podcast. It was very respectful. It was very much a back and

00:17:00.780 forth conversation. And I left that conversation with my chest puffed up. Like I had made my point. I had

00:17:06.180 gotten my point across to this guy and he was going to leave there and change his mind.

00:17:09.800 And then I started listening to his podcast and it's like, no, this guy doesn't say one word without

00:17:14.180 having thought about it and considered it. And here I was just spouting off at the mouth. He knew

00:17:18.780 exactly what he was saying. He was an expert on that situation. And I looked the fool because I

00:17:23.580 listened to it again. You would probably hear it a different way, but I know now that he was just

00:17:28.340 letting me talk. So I would shut up. It's like the, it's like the guy that wants to give the other

00:17:32.540 dude father, fatherhood advice. Who's never been a dad before. It's like, thanks, but you have no

00:17:37.700 idea what this is like. Yeah. That was one of those like face in the mirror moments where it's

00:17:43.040 like, dude, how much of your career have you been the loudest guy in the room and you weren't really

00:17:49.560 spitting much truth. And I look at that because I've talked to people who are extremely intelligent

00:17:54.600 PhDs in the training world. And I've been that guy. I hate that I even admit this, but I do

00:17:59.960 been that guy. Well, have you ever squatted 800 pounds? It doesn't matter. You know what I mean?

00:18:04.600 It's like, maybe he hasn't, maybe he has, but that's irrelevant to the information at hand.

00:18:09.860 I don't even know why I was able to squat 850 pounds or a thousand pounds and multiply.

00:18:14.860 I don't know. I just trained my ass off. Is there a scientific measure for training your

00:18:18.960 ass off? Not really. So the science guys come in and can analyze what we've done and give

00:18:24.320 me a very detailed explanation of why what I did worked. And then I'm sitting here arguing

00:18:29.420 with the guy. Right. Or they can get you to 900 pounds, right? Or whatever. Yeah, sure.

00:18:34.600 That's it. And I think that we have that dichotomy where you're either a science guy or you're

00:18:39.140 just an under the bar kind of guy in the powerlifting world. And we should be working together. We all

00:18:44.780 have the same goal. Obviously, if a guy's got a PhD in body science or biochemistry or anything

00:18:52.100 related to the body, he cares about performance. You know what I mean? It's incredible. So why

00:18:57.980 would we not listen to that guy?

00:18:58.980 It's just interesting because it's an ego thing, right? I mean, it's all driven by ego. It's

00:19:03.800 driven by excessive pride and arrogance. And yet you bring up a really good point. We're

00:19:08.100 all after the same thing. So why in the world? And I've done this too. I'm not condemning

00:19:13.640 anyone. But why in the world would we allow our arrogance to get into the way of us getting

00:19:19.100 to where we want faster or more efficiently or further than we thought without that outside

00:19:24.260 help?

00:19:25.080 Brother, I've got 15 knee surgeries to thank to an ego. You know what I mean?

00:19:30.340 Yeah. Yeah. Good point. 15 though? Really? 15 knee surgeries?

00:19:34.400 Yeah. 15. And I knew that I was underprepared for that competition. But that little voice in

00:19:39.940 my head was like, you're still better than them. You're still better than them. And it's

00:19:43.660 like, you've got guys that are hungry, training their asses off, pushing their body as hard as

00:19:47.480 they can absolutely go. And then here I waltz in there coming off a weekend in Mexico, drinking

00:19:52.760 pina coladas at the beach. I deserved every single minute of pain and suffering that I

00:19:58.360 had from this injury. And then I blamed everybody. But only when I finally, and you talk about

00:20:04.740 the ego, when I started doing things, exercises through meditation and whatnot to really allow

00:20:11.060 myself to look at who I am as a person, as a man, and the ego started to recede a little

00:20:15.440 bit, then I was like, man, that's all on you, brother. You were the asshole. Nobody else

00:20:21.080 was wrong. You were. So do you still compete competitively? I guess that may compete

00:20:24.940 competitively. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I got you. I got you. I competed

00:20:29.480 in March. I am not nearly as strong as I was. I think by most people's measure, just to be

00:20:36.060 fair, if they walked in the gym and saw me working out, they're like, God, that's the

00:20:38.940 strongest guy in the gym. But I still have that little, little bitty voice in the back

00:20:44.080 of my brain. It's like, you know, you could be stronger, you could be stronger. But I look

00:20:47.640 at all the things that I gave up to be stronger. And it kind of flirts with the idea now, could

00:20:52.940 I be that strong again and be balanced? And I'm just not that kind of guy. I'm all in

00:20:59.040 or all out. And like, for me, I am lifting in South Africa this fall. I'm competing for

00:21:04.380 a women's charity event down there because there's a lot of need for it. And will I be

00:21:10.020 strong? I will be strong on that platform. But will I be as strong as I've ever been?

00:21:13.700 No. And I'm totally okay with that because my body has changed. I've lost a ton of weight.

00:21:18.460 My health has changed. So it's like, if I can objectively keep my mind focused on these

00:21:23.240 numbers or relative to now, to the fact that yesterday I hiked 13 miles and I had a pack

00:21:28.880 on and then I come in and I squat 500 pounds that has some varying because before I couldn't

00:21:34.120 want 500 yards when I was squatting 800 pounds, I would literally have the worst back pumps

00:21:39.140 and get out of breath. But it was a means to an end. So I'm a much stronger human being

00:21:44.600 now.

00:21:45.700 You're more well-rounded, it sounds like.

00:21:47.560 Yeah. I was a stronger lifter then. I was nothing as a human being. I woke up late. I

00:21:52.060 ate a huge breakfast, took a nap, got up, ate a huge lunch, took a nap, went to train. I

00:21:58.200 mean, does that system work for everyone? No, absolutely not. Did it work for me? It worked

00:22:03.680 on the platform. But like I said, behind the scenes, everything was a train wreck. And I mean,

00:22:07.200 every aspect of my life was a train wreck. You know, having a situation now where I know

00:22:12.860 that everything is in place, I have good people around me, positive people, businesses is good.

00:22:19.400 Like I'm making less money than I've made in a few years, but it's by choice. And it's

00:22:23.180 because I don't need excess. I don't need to buy a house on a golf course, which I did

00:22:28.060 to show you that I'm doing well. I'm very happy in a smaller home that's a little bit nicer

00:22:34.100 on the inside. I'm a little more tailored to my likes and feels. And nobody like has

00:22:39.640 to see it to know that I'm happy with it. You know what I mean? I'm very happy with my

00:22:42.780 life. And that's been just the process of everything. Like just kind of trimming the

00:22:46.520 fat, bit out the bone and trim the fat and just eat the meat. That's kind of the way I

00:22:50.300 looked at everything. Do I need to do this seminar? Do I absolutely need to go there and

00:22:54.340 be in front of 25 people where I'm away from my house for four days? Or can I host a live

00:23:00.540 video on Instagram where, you know, 2000 people might see it or 3000 people might see

00:23:05.120 it for free. Now I've talked to all these people versus 25. You know what I mean?

00:23:10.280 And, and you've freed up so much time to be with your, your boy and to do the things

00:23:13.780 that are important to you and get your hiking in and your shooting and all that stuff as

00:23:16.660 well.

00:23:17.320 All I valued myself around was money. And you know, the, the issue with money is just like

00:23:21.720 strength. There's always more, there's always five more pounds on the bar. There's always

00:23:25.460 a hundred more dollars down the street. I think that if you tie yourself or you value

00:23:30.440 yourself only around those things, if my goal is to make a million dollars, then if I truly

00:23:36.880 value that more than anything else in this world, I will do things as a human being to

00:23:41.660 myself, physically, mentally, emotionally, that I would never do if I didn't value that.

00:23:47.140 If I valued myself first, I would never compromise my values to achieve a million dollars. But there

00:23:53.460 are people that will compromise everything because they only value that million dollars

00:23:56.680 or that new car or that big house or this, that, or the other. So I had to figure out

00:24:01.640 a way to shift all my value back into myself, which then actually made me less selfish of

00:24:07.820 a person because I realized my richness revolved around my family, my friends travel for pleasure

00:24:14.520 rather than just work and things like that. So when I started valuing myself, I was able to

00:24:19.260 say no to people rather than just kind of pimping myself out for every dollar that I could

00:24:23.240 get, it kind of gave me more value. No, I'm not coming to that for a budget deal. And it's

00:24:28.800 not like I'm saying I'm worth more, but my time with these other people is worth more,

00:24:33.100 you know? And if we're going to make this happen, then it needs to make sense for me

00:24:36.820 on every front. And it needs to make sense for my family to be away from me.

00:24:40.360 Yeah. I mean, you bring up really good point because we all have decisions to make, right?

00:24:45.020 And you've got to ask yourself at some point, what does that extra 10 pounds or a hundred

00:24:49.960 pounds on your back actually become a detriment? And at what point does that extra 20 grand a year

00:24:56.660 become a detriment to your wellbeing? And I'm not going to put down anybody who's pursuing and wants

00:25:02.640 to make a career and wants to make a boatload of money or wants to be the strongest man that ever

00:25:06.900 existed. I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is at some point we can take these things to an

00:25:12.000 unhealthy level at the expense of the other things that we just talk about valuing.

00:25:16.880 I talk about this too, because I think this, there's a really good humanitarian lesson involved

00:25:22.560 in this. You look at those shows, uh, the housewives of wherever, and none of the people

00:25:27.940 on that show are happy, but every person on that show has what your average American would view as

00:25:33.220 a perfect life. They have a huge home. They have, they travel on a private jet. They have money

00:25:38.060 in excess and designer clothes and all this stuff. You remove all that and they still have problems.

00:25:43.720 They're sitting there bitching about their neighbor and the, the weave that she got down

00:25:47.580 at the hair salon or something. You know what I mean? It's like problems just scale to quote

00:25:52.020 the notorious B I G money, more problems. Really? It is. If money is your only thing that you're

00:25:57.420 chasing, it can be a problem. Now I know guys that have made bank. I mean, I don't want to name

00:26:02.440 any names just so I don't categorize them, but the guys that have made fortunes that have done

00:26:07.220 it and they've been family men, they've been there at ball games and they've been active and

00:26:11.160 they've been successful. And a lot of times those guys don't get the credit because they

00:26:15.740 don't want it. They're kind of behind the scenes guys who are just mastermind and everything,

00:26:19.420 but there are good guys that have made a lot of money and been family men that you would

00:26:23.500 never, ever guess beyond the fact that they pull up in a Bentley or a Rolls Royce that they're

00:26:27.900 this kind of person because they're always there. I think the estimation by most people is that

00:26:32.520 these guys are just jet setters going to meetings around the world every single day.

00:26:36.440 Hey, you can actually in this technology driven world, as we sit here on a Skype phone

00:26:41.080 call, do a lot of business from your phone, do a lot of business from your computer and

00:26:46.080 get things done where you're at home with your kids. And then the really important stuff,

00:26:50.900 the big deals make that flight or fly them into you. You know what I mean? I think it's just

00:26:55.620 changing perspective and not that a personal touch isn't important, but for me, what I've found

00:27:00.720 is I don't have to be in front of your face to have a meaningful conversation. I'm still

00:27:05.380 going to do something beyond. I'm either going to send you a card. I'm going to find a shirt that

00:27:09.460 you like and you're posting about on TV or I mean on your social media. And I'm going to find

00:27:14.100 something on the internet there, you know, similar or from that brand or something. I'm going to send

00:27:18.720 you a gift, you know, and just say, Hey man, I really appreciate the conversation. Love what we're

00:27:23.440 doing. Look forward to working with you in the future. You know, something that still sets me apart,

00:27:28.100 gives it a personal touch, but it's not putting me on an airplane spending six, 700 bucks and then

00:27:33.200 coming back home tired and being out disconnected and everything like that. I try to really operate

00:27:37.660 in a system where I can get as much done by about noon or one every single day. And then it's dad

00:27:45.360 time. You know what I mean? It's like, let's get in the pool. Let's go play baseball. Let's shoot our

00:27:49.560 bows, whatever it is. I've just shifted 100% focus on him. And it's a lot to thank you for that because

00:27:55.580 he is the next line of man in my family. My two brothers have no kids. One of my brothers is gay

00:28:01.120 unless he adopts a child. My son is it. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen there,

00:28:06.320 but I feel like I have a responsibility to my father, to my grandfather who passed this name

00:28:11.680 down and to myself, you know, as a man who did every damn thing I could to fuck this name up.

00:28:17.800 And now trying to figure out how to be a man of honor and integrity and value. So my son can learn

00:28:23.540 and do better than I did. That was my grandfather's dying breaths to me. You know,

00:28:27.840 he's battling cancer. And as he was fighting and towards the very end, he just pulled me onto his

00:28:33.140 bed and he said, you got a name, make it mean a damn thing. That sounds very cliche or, you know,

00:28:39.320 cinematic or whatever, but it's the truth. That's exactly the words he said, make it mean a damn

00:28:43.620 thing. That's why I have it tattooed across my stomach. You know, maybe that was a physical

00:28:48.000 reminder every single day when I look at myself, it's like, yeah, there it is. It's important to me,

00:28:53.120 you know, it's important to me that because I did a lot of stupid shit and a lot of people lost

00:28:57.600 respect for me because of choices I made or things that I did. And I have to live with that.

00:29:02.000 But every single day it was a, it was a period of my life where I was going through a lot and that's

00:29:06.840 no excuse. But if I can live 50, 60 years, the best way that I can doing the right thing every time

00:29:13.420 that I can, which is always, I feel like I can forgive myself. You know, it's like, you can't be an

00:29:19.660 asshole forever. And I was an asshole. You can rectify it, right? Like that's how it is for me

00:29:24.540 is, you know, I'll always remember the things that I've done wrong and those will never go away,

00:29:30.180 which they shouldn't. Those are good learning memories. They're painful, but they're good

00:29:33.880 learning memories, but you can fix it. You know, you can rectify and correct the situation. Sounds

00:29:38.480 like that's what you're doing. Yeah. And well, you know, the thing is, if somebody calls you on

00:29:43.180 something that you did when you were 22 years old, 25 years old, 30 years old, even if you're 45 years old

00:29:49.300 now and somebody is talking about stuff you did outside of a humorous way, you're kind of joking

00:29:53.400 with you at 25. Do you really want those people around? Like they're calling up the history of 20

00:29:58.960 years for one thing that you did in one stupid moment. You know, I think you have to look at a

00:30:03.980 person as a total body of work, or I hope that people do. There are people that I used to just look

00:30:08.620 at and detest. And I realized, man, it's kind of like the movie hostels. Have you seen that?

00:30:14.060 I haven't seen it.

00:30:14.920 So I don't want to give it away, but it's just, it goes back to what we started this whole

00:30:18.700 conversation about. A lot of times it was just a person going through a moment and I went through

00:30:24.040 those moments. So for all the reasons that I've disliked this person or, or stayed away from this

00:30:28.720 person, maybe I should be the bigger person and go talk to him because now I can relate to him more

00:30:33.520 than ever, you know, and just realizing that as we get older shit, it's hard to carry a grudge as I

00:30:38.860 age because why I don't want any of that weight. I just want positive stuff and good stuff going on.

00:30:43.940 And if I can say sorry and make up with someone better off, why would I want to walk with my head

00:30:50.400 down when I see this person or, or shy away from it? If I've done something wrong to them,

00:30:55.180 go apologize. If they've done something wrong to me, accept it, you know, talk about it,

00:30:59.180 figure it out.

00:31:00.380 That acceptance principle is critical. Like if somebody's genuinely reaching out to make amends,

00:31:05.280 like what right do we have to deny them that opportunity? That's how I look at it.

00:31:09.600 Yeah. And that's the thing is, you know, I've had conversations with people where I dreaded the

00:31:14.400 phone call, but I made the phone call, gave them a little more perspective on, on me and gained a

00:31:20.720 little perspective on them. And then you find a middle ground and that middle ground is either,

00:31:24.820 Hey, I really appreciate you reaching out. Maybe we'll talk in the future and you do, or it's,

00:31:30.340 Hey man, thanks for the call. I'm glad we're, we're both doing okay. We're just in different

00:31:33.920 spaces and that's okay too. You might come around 10 years from now, who knows? But I think getting

00:31:39.840 that weight off your shoulders is a huge, huge relief beyond the apology.

00:31:46.620 Gents, just a quick break by now. I'm sure that you know about the order of man legacy event. This

00:31:51.220 is our inaugural father, son event experience, whatever you want to call it. And I'm telling you

00:31:56.640 right now, it's one you are not going to want to miss. There is a real lack of connection and it's

00:32:02.020 only getting worse between the current generation, your generation, my generation, and the next one,

00:32:07.700 our boys, our sons. One of my favorite quotes on the subject of masculinity and manliness is

00:32:13.400 if boys don't learn, men won't know. And that's why it's critical that we as men pass down our

00:32:20.040 knowledge to the boys who need to know and learn exactly, exactly what it means to be a man. So on

00:32:26.040 September 20th through the 23rd, 2018, we're having 20 fathers and sons come to Southern Utah to test

00:32:34.040 themselves physically, mentally, emotionally. And this is an experience designed to forge new bonds

00:32:40.220 between you and your son or your sons, teach both of you the skills that you need to learn and help

00:32:46.340 your boy become a man. And then also just give you the framework, both you and him for success

00:32:51.280 for the rest of your life. So if you're interested, you need to act very, very quickly. We only have

00:32:56.840 seven spots left as of this recording. You can learn more and claim your seat at orderofman.com

00:33:03.120 slash legacy. Again, that's orderofman.com slash legacy, only seven spots. So if you want to have

00:33:08.540 a rite of passage for your boy. Oh, and one thing I failed to mention is that it's between the ages of

00:33:13.140 eight to 15. So if your son's between the ages of eight to 15, this is going to be a great way to

00:33:18.240 create that rite of passage. Again, orderofman.com slash legacy. I hope to see you there. With that

00:33:23.600 said, let's get back to the conversation with Brandon. I want to go back because we were talking

00:33:29.780 about what's important to people. And you're talking about your son, I've got kids and all

00:33:34.960 that stuff's important to me. I think anybody listening to this is it's important to them as

00:33:39.200 well. But what I think happens is we have this really strange desire to be seen, right? Like I know

00:33:46.520 I fall into that trap for sure. That that's part of my job is being visible and being seen so that

00:33:51.820 people recognize what we're doing and hopefully it helps move the needle. But I think it gets in

00:33:55.780 the way a lot of times, you know, from the game or just the other day I got done with work about

00:34:01.100 two 33 o'clock and I told my boys, I'm like, Hey, at three o'clock I'm done regardless, we're going to go

00:34:06.000 swim. And that couple of hours that we spent swimming was so much better than sitting here in my

00:34:13.720 basement, working on a blog or writing up a Facebook post or any of the number of things I

00:34:20.000 could have been doing. But it's like that desire to be seen and recognized by people that we don't

00:34:24.820 even know is so compelling. It's strange. It's really strange. You can understand this and maybe

00:34:30.920 your listeners can as well. You know, when somebody that you look up to connects or likes your post or

00:34:37.120 gives you feedback, it's like, man, yeah, I'm really, I'm really making a difference because

00:34:40.920 you look at this person as someone that you look up to and respect and you, you believe in them for

00:34:45.800 whatever reason, even though it's through a screen, you're putting your, I won't say hopes, but it's

00:34:51.440 like, man, maybe I can be like that one day. Yeah. It's just an aspiration, right? It's, it's,

00:34:55.520 yeah, sure. Sure. So then it becomes like, well, if I got him to notice me, what if I can get this

00:35:00.560 other person to notice me or this person or that person? And in reality, we're all doing the same

00:35:07.080 thing. I don't care who you are. Like the rock, you know, I use him as an example again, just

00:35:11.420 because he's got such a huge following. Would he still be the rock? Yeah. Would he still make

00:35:15.860 movies? Sure. But does the, does the connection with the fan maybe deepen their connection? Maybe,

00:35:22.760 okay, now I want to go see this movie. So there's always a give and a take. There's a reciprocation.

00:35:27.080 So I think I'm never going to be a guy that is like doing the super, super pose. Like that's why I put

00:35:34.800 the work don't wind page separate because I realized it's a business thing. There are going

00:35:39.100 to have to be posed pictures or there are going to have to be, you know, framed photos to highlight

00:35:44.140 the shirts and whatnot. I never want to be that guy, which I guess every photo that we take is

00:35:48.340 framed in some way, but I never just want to lose the genuine aspect of what I'm doing. You know,

00:35:53.420 went camping last night. So I took a picture. My son didn't know that we were going to go. So I had

00:35:57.380 everything kind of set out in front of the camp. I had his sleeping bag as the tent was set up and his

00:36:01.920 cooler and all kinds of stuff. So it was like, yeah, this is a real picture because it's a real

00:36:06.260 thing because he's getting ready to walk over here and realize, Oh, we're camping. And dad got a new

00:36:09.760 tent, right? It's all grainy and everything. And like most people wouldn't even post that picture

00:36:13.720 because it it's, it's not flawless. Right. Right. But that's it. You know, it's just a,

00:36:19.200 it's a real moment and it highlights a really special time with him. And, you know, like I said,

00:36:24.500 trying to be the dad that teaches him that, yeah, kid in this world, no matter how bad it gets,

00:36:30.180 you can get away and take care of yourself. That's an important lesson for me, but we do,

00:36:34.500 we want people to look at us and maybe it's a litmus test for how we're doing. You know,

00:36:38.880 maybe it's a litmus test. Like the more people that follow and like, maybe I'm doing all right.

00:36:43.540 I don't know. Because as I say that, I realized there's people with 8 million followers that just

00:36:47.600 so tits and ass all the day. Well, I mean, scoring is good though, right? You know,

00:36:51.460 keeping score, looking at your bank account, paying off debt, jumping on the scale,

00:36:55.940 looking at how much you're squatting or deadlifting, those indicators are important

00:37:01.280 because they do help you see progress. It's when we become so consumed with the benchmark rather than

00:37:08.180 the effort and the work that goes behind achieving those results that I think it turns into a problem.

00:37:13.700 Yeah. And I agree with that. I mean, I think you'll get what I'm saying very, very easily.

00:37:18.380 There is something that is intrinsic and valuable and even beautiful and appealing to getting off the grid.

00:37:24.720 Oh, a hundred percent.

00:37:26.380 But the reality of it is you and I are not out there humping it 365 days a year. I know people

00:37:32.500 that are out there 300, I mean, 300, 350 days a year that come home for Christmas and Thanksgiving,

00:37:37.900 and then they're right back out there doing it as hard as they can go. That is not the life that I

00:37:42.800 want. I want the balance. I want to have those abilities to go out there, struggle and whatnot.

00:37:47.840 So if we're, if we're going to admit that, yes, we like technology. Yes. We like the comforts of a

00:37:52.180 Tempur-Pedic bed or whatever it is. Then we have to also say, yeah, whether I despise money or not,

00:37:58.100 it's a reality in my world. I have to be somewhat recognized or have a recognition of it so that I

00:38:04.720 can exist in this world. Even if I detest it, it's just like having a job. Nobody wants to have a job.

00:38:09.860 Nobody wants to go to work and just work for somebody else that's making 10 times as much money

00:38:14.400 as you doing nothing, but it's a necessary evil. It's a means to an end. And I think that

00:38:20.980 you're exactly right. Having those little check-ins to know how you're doing, to see if you're

00:38:25.940 connecting with people, because guys like you and I, we're trying to not only share our story,

00:38:30.900 but connect with people to hopefully benefit them, help their story along. I think it's important to

00:38:36.760 get that feedback. I've started asking a lot of questions on Instagram, more and more of my posts,

00:38:41.640 like who's going hiking, who's doing this stuff. That gets me engaged because now you should see

00:38:46.300 my inbox. Hey man, if you're ever in Illinois, come up here, we'll hike here or this, that or the

00:38:51.000 other. It's a way to connect with people. And I do not view myself as a celebrity. I view myself

00:38:56.300 very much as a person who is interested in other people. If you want to go shoot bows, hey man,

00:39:01.500 I'm down, you know, let's go. It's kind of like I have this, this one guy in my phone and his name

00:39:07.200 saved to my phone is the one motherfucker that showed up because I put out a thing. Hey,

00:39:11.640 I get messages all the time. I want to train with you. I want to train with you. I want to train

00:39:15.020 with you. So I put out four 30 in the morning, free, come in, I'll buy your breakfast. We'll go

00:39:20.240 train, whatever. One dude showed up. I had so many people message me the night before. I'll see you in

00:39:25.460 the morning. I'll see you in the morning, see you in the morning. I'm driving down from wherever

00:39:28.440 one dude showed up. I took it as a win because now I know the bullshitters and I know the guy that

00:39:34.820 he never messaged me. He just showed up. That's connection. We spent four hours together. We trained,

00:39:40.140 we went to eat breakfast and we just sat there and talked forever. And the dude is fascinating.

00:39:44.240 So I felt like I got, I got the win. Well, you got the win because he proved right off the bat

00:39:48.460 that he was somebody of value, somebody that you probably want in your life to some degree.

00:39:53.160 Yeah, exactly. I thank him. It's just like, wow, somebody showed up four 30 in the morning.

00:39:59.340 He'd worked late. He worked second shift. So he got his ass up early to get that. You know,

00:40:03.220 it may satisfy that little bit of ego that we have hanging on. But at the same time too,

00:40:08.660 it kind of drives me to not get to a point where I don't pay attention, but just where

00:40:14.240 I know that I'm connecting. And I, and I'm very close to that point right now. You know, I feel like

00:40:18.480 day in, day out, I connect with enough people. I talk with enough people that

00:40:22.120 I know that people are watching and seeing that change is possible. Because like I said,

00:40:27.540 if you watch videos of me four or five years ago, dude, I'm so embarrassed. And people are like,

00:40:31.840 oh man, I'll watch this video. And it's like, oh God. Why? What do you mean?

00:40:35.900 I'll tell you a story. I was in Toronto right off a couple of big championships in powerlifting,

00:40:40.480 you know, and I'm bald, I'm tattooed. I'm freaking huge at this point. I was 340 pounds.

00:40:45.820 How tall are you by the way?

00:40:47.340 In shoes, I'm about 6'3".

00:40:49.220 Okay. All right. Yeah.

00:40:50.380 So like you said, big intimidating presence. And I'm up there and I'm just giving this presentation

00:40:56.040 and it's F this and F that and F this. And they're like, I curse just like anybody else. But

00:41:00.680 this lady came up to me, just picture Jack LaLanne, because this lady was an older lady,

00:41:05.700 elderly, and she's probably seventies and very elegant, very classy. She's a fitness trainer

00:41:11.520 her whole life. And she said, I loved every word you said until you started cursing every other

00:41:16.860 breath. And I tuned you out. And I thought, man, what if she was the one person that needed this

00:41:22.900 message today? And I don't think she was, but if you watch my videos now, like if I curse,

00:41:28.280 it's either in quotations or it's very much to drive home a point. Listen, I'm an English major.

00:41:34.360 I feel like I'm doing a disservice to my professors who I idolize by speaking that way. Like if I can

00:41:39.040 express myself more elegantly and more plainly without using a curse word, then anybody can

00:41:45.180 translate it. Right. But if I use, you know, a certain kind of language, man, what if somebody

00:41:50.340 tunes me out that really needs to hear what I have to say? It's that. And then it was also my

00:41:55.380 understanding now that I have to be respectful of information, not just my own information.

00:42:00.020 So a lot of times I would spit stuff out like, well, here's what I did and you need to do this

00:42:04.500 too. And it's like, no, that's not it. This is what I found to work for me. Here's a couple other

00:42:09.720 ideas that I've seen work for other people, but I'm going to tell you about my story. As long as you

00:42:14.000 give yourself that out, that you're respecting that there are other options, anybody can listen to you.

00:42:19.580 You know, they may say, this guy's an idiot. He's wrong, but you can't deny that it worked for me.

00:42:23.800 You know, I can openly admit that it may not work for everyone, but it did work for me. So it has

00:42:28.960 that value. Well, I think that comes with a level of confidence too, right? If you're not confident

00:42:33.280 in who you are deep down inside, I think you probably feel like you have to force more of the

00:42:39.620 issue or your point or whatever. I'm to the point now where I've just got to trust that people are

00:42:45.580 intelligent enough to make their own decisions based on what's best for them. And I'm going to share

00:42:50.600 what works for me and, and how it works. And if somebody wants the information, great. If somebody

00:42:55.080 disagrees with me, I'm not even interested in arguing. I'm like, that's fine. Good luck with

00:42:58.920 whatever you want to do. I hope, I genuinely hope you find whatever it is you're looking for,

00:43:03.780 even though it may not be what I have to offer.

00:43:06.760 Sure. No, I get that. And I think in a weird way, people come back to you for that reason.

00:43:13.320 Like, even if you can't answer their question, maybe if you can refer them to someone that can,

00:43:18.640 or by saying, well, I don't know, but I saw this article that said this, it's a little different

00:43:23.720 than what I did, but I think might help you out. Like, as long as you're aware of what's going on

00:43:28.360 around you, you know, people who are successful in the same field, people who have tried alternative

00:43:32.900 methods and found success to what you're doing. I think it's good because one, it keeps you aware

00:43:37.560 of your competition. Right. But also it allows you to refer people intelligently to others. And

00:43:43.860 what's that really going to do? It's just going to show that you're a good guy.

00:43:47.520 And not even that, I don't know if I would use that term necessarily. I mean, that's, that's fine,

00:43:51.020 but it just shows that you're, I don't know, you're credible, right? You're respectable.

00:43:56.780 That goes so far when it comes to creating relationships and, and of course the success that

00:44:02.120 comes with it. Oh, 100%, man. I think, I think that there needs to be more of that.

00:44:07.800 I've certainly made mistakes in the past of trying to scavenge and find information so that I can

00:44:14.300 answer something to look intelligent rather than saying, you know what, this is what I'm doing.

00:44:18.980 I'm going to look at a couple of documents that I've seen, but I haven't really read through.

00:44:22.440 And then I'll give you my opinion on those, but I'll also link them to you. I've started doing a lot

00:44:26.420 of that too. Like I'll link information or an article or whatever, a video that I've watched or read,

00:44:32.260 and I'll give my opinion on it. Like, Hey, here's some things that he said that I don't agree with. And

00:44:36.740 here's what I did. But obviously it worked for them. You know what I mean? It just take one more

00:44:42.440 step and give a little more effort. And it's like, man, it blows people away because nobody does that

00:44:47.640 anymore. Well, there's value in that because I think probably 20 years ago, 30 years ago,

00:44:52.020 we all kind of operated as a gatekeeper, if you will. Like I look at the financial planning industry,

00:44:58.300 which is my background. And I see these arrogant financial advisors. If you look at the way they run

00:45:05.060 their businesses and their lives, it's clearly evident. They have people come into their office

00:45:09.460 with their big mahogany desks and their leather bound chairs that sit six inches to eight inches

00:45:14.460 taller than their clients' chairs. And they're like, I'm above you. And I have all the information.

00:45:18.880 The problem with that is everybody has access to the same information. So there's no longer any

00:45:25.560 gatekeeper in you position yourself like that. You're going to lose because people won't like you

00:45:30.160 versus, and I think what you're talking about here is now I'm not the gatekeeper.

00:45:34.560 I'm simply the curator. The information's out there. Let me help you curate it like a museum

00:45:39.400 curator in a way that's going to be applicable for you that you'll enjoy, that you'll benefit from.

00:45:45.180 And then it's not forced value that you're providing. It's voluntarily that your clients

00:45:50.960 and the people and the friends and your family voluntarily go to you as the curator of that

00:45:56.220 information. You're valuable that way. Right. Well, I think that's a perfect term for what I

00:46:01.600 think I want to strive to be. I want to be someone who, when I say something has value or

00:46:07.380 something is worth reading, people immediately go over there and read it just because they believe

00:46:12.980 in what I'm saying. They understand that, man, this guy's probably read a lot of articles. This

00:46:17.360 guy's probably read a lot of books or whatever it is. They don't just take it as, wow, I saw this

00:46:22.560 thing pop up in my Instagram story and I read it and it was great. Here you go. Boom.

00:46:26.500 I don't want to be one of those people that just shares because somebody else shared it.

00:46:30.160 I want to share it because I've compared it to a knowledge base or, you know, I've referenced

00:46:35.540 it against things that I've read before and be able to balance those two and be like, here's a

00:46:40.500 great article. Also check this out. Because I think when you can validate what you're sharing

00:46:44.840 with something else that can either validate or contradict it, it shows a better understanding,

00:46:51.720 you know, because a lot of times I think we just get out there and we espouse information,

00:46:55.040 not you and I, just as people, I think that we just espouse information to share information.

00:47:00.800 Are we giving it the thought that it deserves? I don't know. And do you build a trust without

00:47:05.240 giving it the thought that it deserves? I don't know. These are questions that I'm answering

00:47:08.820 myself. A lot of times what I'll do is I'll make a post. I'll leave it all in there and I'll set my

00:47:14.040 phone down for five minutes and I'll go back and read it and I'll be like, I can do better. Or maybe I

00:47:19.180 don't even make this post at all. Like, what is my why? Why am I posting this? Am I getting something

00:47:24.420 or am I giving something? And the give always has to be greater than the get for me. So I am trying

00:47:30.640 to live in that world where if I'm sharing something, it's either in the hopes that people

00:47:35.160 will follow my footsteps, you know, like getting outside more, running more, taking more attention

00:47:40.180 to their health and their cardio and all that. That can be me exposing myself. But if I share

00:47:45.500 information, I want it to be valid and invented. I want it to mean something. I don't want it to

00:47:50.640 just be words. That makes sense, man. So where does this new, I call it an initiative. It's,

00:47:55.460 it's probably not the right word, but this idea of work, don't whine. Where does that come from?

00:48:00.280 It comes from my dad. You know, you know, I tell people I haven't ever, or not Everest,

00:48:04.520 but I'm out Rushmore of men. And my dad is the first one up there, you know, guys that I look up to

00:48:09.080 and strive to be like, and I actually identify that a lot of my rebellion probably came from the fact that

00:48:15.220 I hold him in such high regard that I thought anything less than being just like him was going

00:48:21.460 to be failure. So why not just take the train off the tracks all the way, you know? Um, and what I

00:48:26.400 found was, is that my dad, it really hurt him, you know, when I made a lot of choices that I made.

00:48:31.160 And the one thing that was kind of like a punch in the gut was he said, I raised you better than

00:48:35.100 this boy, you know? And I was like, damn. So that was a big wake up call. And, uh,

00:48:41.180 is your dad still, is he still with us? Yeah. Yeah. He's still here, man. He's, uh,

00:48:46.160 he's an ass kicker. He's getting hard every day. He goes harder than I do.

00:48:50.500 Is he, uh, is he a lifter as well?

00:48:52.900 No, he's not a lifter. He's a, he's a walker. He's a, he's a guy that just,

00:48:56.420 he stays moving. I'll put it that way. Um, never lifted weights, but he could still kick my ass any

00:49:01.980 given day. He's just one of those old man strength, man, old man strength. Exactly. But my dad said,

00:49:07.980 if you got a problem and you can fix it, work on it. If you can't stop whining about it. So it was

00:49:13.880 just this thing that just happened throughout my life. I heard it dozens and hundreds and maybe

00:49:19.760 even thousands of times. He's like, if you can fix it, work on it. If you can't stop whining about

00:49:24.000 it, you know, my dad is just a very black and white guy. And he said, everybody wants to talk

00:49:28.740 about the gray. He said, brother, there's right and wrong. And you've got to find yourself on one side

00:49:33.060 of that fence. He said, gray ain't there. I don't completely get into that, but you know,

00:49:37.780 my dad, when I would do something, I would get into the explanation of why. And he'd say,

00:49:42.000 did you do it or did you not? And I said, I did it. And then he'd go, okay, that's all I need to

00:49:46.100 know. There's no explanation that will make me feel good about you doing what you did.

00:49:49.720 That's interesting. You know, that's an interesting perspective because I think

00:49:52.320 there is truth to that. You know, not, of course, not in every situation, but sometimes there's,

00:49:57.940 did you do it or not? Did you get it done or not? Did you accomplish it or not? Did you do the

00:50:01.720 right thing or not? And that's it, right? That's interesting.

00:50:04.920 Yeah. My dad is very much a yes and no man. I value his beliefs. Like I think his beliefs on,

00:50:11.440 on politics and things are as, as good as any human could ask for it. Now he will get

00:50:17.640 situational on that as far as like, you know, he's never, he's not a Republican or a Democrat.

00:50:22.620 I would say he's a libertarian. I want, I think, I don't think anybody should be a Republican or a

00:50:27.160 Democrat. I don't either. I don't either. And I think that's the one area that it always confused

00:50:32.860 me because I'm like, well, dad take a stand, but my dad will vote for whoever he believes

00:50:37.180 is the best in that situation. Looking at things like that. And to, to get back more to your

00:50:42.720 question, I look at my dad and he graduated high school diploma, no college, and he's made a damn

00:50:49.680 good life for himself. Now, when I looked at my dad at 25, I thought he was a failure because,

00:50:55.180 you know, he drives a Toyota. He drives, uh, my mom drives this, a GMC SUV. They have a house that

00:51:02.340 they've had for 25 years. They've been together since they were 18, yada, yada, yada. And it's

00:51:07.540 like, none of that was exciting. It was, it was like oatmeal. Right. And then I look at him now

00:51:12.140 and it's like, man, that guy went to work every day, raised three boys, never, ever. I mean,

00:51:17.240 maybe when I was very, very young, they were struggling. You know, we might've missed a meal

00:51:21.960 or something like that, but he got better year by year. He got better and he's very well respected

00:51:27.220 in his company. They got a big, like a big swimming pool area at their house. And just

00:51:33.120 the things that my dad values, like I want my kids, my kids and my kids' families to be

00:51:38.300 over here at the pool. We got a big barbecue. We got this. And it's like, man, that's what

00:51:43.600 makes my dad happy. He's rich as any man I know. And when I started realizing those things

00:51:49.240 about my own life, that I've bought a new truck and it felt good for a few days. And then

00:51:54.240 you get that first payment and it's like, Oh, well back to reality.

00:51:57.540 I did the same thing. I just bought a new truck after 17 years of having my other truck.

00:52:02.780 And now I'm like, why did I buy that truck? I don't even know why I bought it.

00:52:06.280 Yep. You know, and you deserve them. I mean, I'm in my truck 50, 60,000 miles a year. So I need

00:52:11.900 something that's durable and, and whatever, but do I need the three inch lift kit? Do I need the,

00:52:16.660 you know, the nitto grabber tires? I need like, it looks cool. And we do work hard. I give you

00:52:22.500 tons of respect. You work hard, you go get it. You inspire people. You shouldn't just be,

00:52:26.280 you know, relegated to a 1989 Honda Accord.

00:52:29.300 Yeah. But I will tell you my 76 international scout, I bought it for three grand and it's the

00:52:34.280 best vehicle, the best money I've ever spent because it's a family thing. You go around and

00:52:39.880 jump around, take the top off. It's a good time, man.

00:52:42.820 Well, I remember my dad, you know, you remember those, uh, Farfax. Yeah.

00:52:45.960 Yeah. Yeah. My dad had one of those forever. Just a little diesel, like 38 horsepower or

00:52:51.440 something. And, you know, it was, it was kind of like just an inside joke. He was like, you

00:52:56.100 want to go get in the hot rod? You know, because my dad was a hot rod guy in the seventies and

00:53:00.100 eighties. Like he had Camaros and he had Chabels and yeah, you know, we would get in that thing,

00:53:04.760 no air, because if you, if you had any air conditioning, you couldn't make it up a hill.

00:53:09.340 We would roll the windows down. We'd be just cruising along and that thing just puttering

00:53:13.120 around. I've ridden in hot rods with my dad, but I remember the Farfax. You know what I mean?

00:53:17.920 Like I remember that car because that was my dad. Like it was just him being cool in spite of

00:53:23.360 whatever, you know, wearing his red, white, and blue headband to go play Saturday morning

00:53:26.360 basketball with the, at the adult league. You know what I mean? It was just funny. And, you know,

00:53:31.320 he had a work truck was the 86 S 10 that he bought brand new. I got it with 273,000 miles. And he was

00:53:37.560 like, it's a rust bucket. You can drive it as it is, or we can get in there and we get our hands dirty

00:53:42.280 and fix it. And that's what we did. We fixed it just over time. And man, it broke my heart when

00:53:47.080 I had to sell that truck. I wish I could find it. If somebody by chance hears it now and knows that

00:53:52.140 it's mine, it's still got a purple sun sticker in the back. I see it every now and then, and I'd love

00:53:55.920 to buy it, but I've just never been able to catch the guy. You see it driving around? Yeah. I see it

00:54:00.340 all the time. You know, at least I'd say once every three or four months, I see that I've tried to

00:54:06.020 time it to where like, man, if I could catch them on a road where I could easily turn around.

00:54:10.460 Yeah. You got to like stock this. He's going to think you're going to like track him down to kill

00:54:14.260 him or something. But man, I mean, some of the best, best hours of my life were spent with my dad

00:54:20.860 working on that truck. It's an 86 S 10. We put a two 83 in it, you know, three 73 gears in the rear.

00:54:27.780 And it was just like, this thing was awesome because it was me and my dad. It wasn't the fact that it was

00:54:33.620 a great engine. It was a cool model truck or whatever. I was, I was 16 years old figuring out,

00:54:40.360 in my own head, like I'm a man because I made my truck what it is with my dad, you know? And then

00:54:46.700 I don't know. It's just something that I will always equate to the best time of my life because

00:54:52.020 it's freedom, right? You're building the rocket ship to freedom, which is that truck. You know,

00:54:56.880 you're 16, you get your driver's license to me. I, at that point, I thought I was a man.

00:55:00.980 That's cool. The rocket ship to freedom. I like that, man. I never thought about it like that,

00:55:04.120 but that's, I can totally see that. Absolutely. Well, it sounds cool because it sounds like you're,

00:55:08.280 you're taking those lessons and experiences and you know, I see you and your boy, how old is your,

00:55:14.540 your son? He's 10. Okay. Yeah. Same as my oldest. And I see you and your boy doing stuff and camping

00:55:21.080 and baseball. And to me, I see that stuff and think, man, that that's where it's at. I know for

00:55:27.300 a long time I chased money and I chased recognition and I chased everything that frankly just doesn't

00:55:34.180 matter. But then when I look at my kids, I've got four kids and I look in their eyes,

00:55:38.560 or, or they, or my daughter, you know, comes and jumps on the couch and curls up next to me,

00:55:43.040 or I'm practicing a new wrestling move on, on one of my boys in the pool or whatever. Like that stuff

00:55:49.200 to me just gets me going. I love that stuff. Oh, and it does. And you know, I really worry about,

00:55:56.100 well, I won't say worry. I'm excited about these things, but it's like, I have a friend who probably

00:56:01.600 said one of the most beautifully powerful things to me and, and, and all the world. And her name is

00:56:06.320 Laura's there. She, I don't know if you follow her or not, but she's a true survivalist. She's

00:56:10.300 always out in the wild. She's always doing something incredible, but she was going out

00:56:14.760 into a shed hunting out in Montana and she had some limited service and she was texting

00:56:20.780 me and a couple of guys just kind of updating things. She said, Hey, I got some antlers from

00:56:26.380 a bear kill. She said, I didn't realize the bear was still close by. If I don't, if you don't hear

00:56:31.440 from me, um, she said, I died extremely happy. Really? And it's like, man, what if that was your

00:56:37.420 life? You know? And, and actually I made the post a couple of days later talking about, you know,

00:56:42.380 somebody making the comment, Oh, she died so unexpectedly. No, you know, you're going to die.

00:56:46.880 Why don't we live unexpectedly? Why don't we take chances and risk and put ourselves out there

00:56:51.460 doing things that, that intimidate us or scare us or seem impossible because we are going to die.

00:56:58.700 You know, we don't have to live in any certain order, go out there and take those chances. And

00:57:03.920 from what I've found, you don't have to spend a lot of money to go camping, you know, like your

00:57:08.480 initial setup for a tent. I mean, you get a tent 30 bucks if you really wanted to. Yeah.

00:57:12.600 Yeah. Yeah. If you go on Craigslist, most people will give you a tent. You know what I mean? It's

00:57:18.220 like, I've found more excitement in some of those things, just walking around, picking up sticks,

00:57:23.660 you know, chopping little branches with my son. Like we were talking about, uh, wood spacing on

00:57:27.680 a fire last night. Like you can't suffocate the fire and you can't have it too far out so it can

00:57:32.900 catch. And just these little lessons, like where did this information come from? Why do I have this

00:57:38.320 information? It's like, Oh, my dad, you know, my dad said these exact words and I'm just,

00:57:43.700 I'm regurgitating. Like I've never said them like in my own head, I've done them a million times,

00:57:48.380 but I've never said them. And now it's like, Whoa, that was, that was something that stuck with

00:57:53.600 me my whole life. And maybe it will for him too. I hope it does.

00:57:55.720 Yeah. And someday he'll probably be telling his, his sons and daughters. Right. Which is really cool.

00:57:59.800 That that's the cool thing that I'm, I'm having this epiphany lately in realization of

00:58:03.980 the work that we do, whether it's work like you and I do, and we're, we're putting ourselves out

00:58:09.200 there and, and, and trying to be recognized and put good information in the world, or simply just

00:58:13.540 being a good husband and being a present father or, or helping start a business and, and hire

00:58:20.220 employees that can then feed their families. Like the things that we do positive and negatively

00:58:24.560 are generational. And we think that we're making decisions in a vacuum. When you decide to hit that

00:58:30.060 snooze button in the morning, that decision will echo throughout the rest of the day,

00:58:34.500 throughout the rest of the week, into the rest of your life, and even into your children's lives.

00:58:39.460 And I'm realizing the impact and the significance of the smallest decisions that we make on a daily

00:58:45.220 basis. Well, you know, something I tell people all the time, you know, I talk to my clients about

00:58:50.340 this. We do a daily video, just kind of a roll call every morning, talking about workouts and,

00:58:54.920 and just things that we're going to do throughout the day. And I said, do you think,

00:58:59.080 think of somebody that was really meaningful to you? Somebody that meant so much that you

00:59:03.480 couldn't imagine your life without them, but they're gone. Do you think that they would want

00:59:06.640 to hear an alarm clock? And I was like, what if we change our context of the alarm clock? It's like,

00:59:11.620 God, I'm not, I have to get out of this comfortable bed and whatever. And it's like, no,

00:59:15.360 what if it was a wake up call saying, go live your life? You know, what if it was an exciting thing

00:59:20.120 rather than this thing that we dread? And if you're dreading that alarm clock, why? Like, you know,

00:59:25.560 when you're a kid and you're going to Disney world or you're going to Cedar point or Kings Island or

00:59:29.840 whatever it is, you're up before the alarm clock. Why are you not that way as an adult? And if you

00:59:34.840 aren't that way, why aren't you trying actively to shape your life that way? Well, I've got a job.

00:59:39.540 I can't change. You can, you can absolutely change. Well, I live in this town move. It's having the

00:59:45.360 belief that today isn't a period. It's the beginning of a new sentence every single day.

00:59:50.920 And we can change it. Like, trust me. And I, and I don't want to get too preachy, but

00:59:56.240 I can tell you, you know, April 12th of 2016, I was at the point of suicide. I was ready to be out

01:00:01.800 of it. It was just, I had made so many mistakes. I'd hurt so many people. I didn't want to live

01:00:06.720 anymore. And the situation just happened that it was like, I can't even fucking get this right. I

01:00:11.700 can't even commit suicide. Right. Uh, cause I had actually slammed a bunch of sleeping pills and

01:00:17.140 pain pills. I couldn't even hold the pistol. I can't even fucking do this.

01:00:21.260 Long story short, I ended up realizing I couldn't hold the gun. So I went in there and I puke my

01:00:25.980 guts out and I was like, this is not how it ends. This is not, this is not my defining moment.

01:00:30.900 Right. Because it would be, um, if I took my own life on that day, that would have been,

01:00:35.540 oh yeah, he killed himself. Right. That would have been the conversation about me forever. It would

01:00:40.140 have never been like, oh man, he was a great dad or he was a great friend or, you know, husband or

01:00:45.840 father, whatever it was, there would have been no conversation about anything that I've ever been.

01:00:50.940 It would have been, yeah, that was the guy that killed himself. Right. And then it would have been

01:00:54.000 like, yeah, all the fries with the cheeseburger, you know, it would have just been a passing thing

01:00:58.140 and that would have been it. And my son would have had to live with that, but I was in that moment.

01:01:01.740 So I know the depths and you think 2016, if you look back at my Instagram, shit looked pretty good.

01:01:07.060 That was just what, two years ago?

01:01:08.900 Yeah. April 12th, 2016. So you look at the post around that time, cause I've done it.

01:01:14.520 Shit looked pretty awesome, you know, but I was dying inside because I was not willing to,

01:01:20.000 to bear that load of facing my mistakes. And right after that, I sent 200 text messages,

01:01:24.700 you know, to people that had been good to me. Hey, listen, I know I've not been as good to you

01:01:29.000 as you've been to me.

01:01:29.720 I'm sorry. And I got some FUs. I got some no replies and I got some, we'll see. Time will

01:01:35.160 tell. But I put it out there to people that, you know what? I recognize this. And once, like,

01:01:41.780 I don't always fault somebody until they recognize it. It's like, you know, if you're whatever,

01:01:49.220 like if you're a gambler and you're gambling and gambling and gambling, and then you don't

01:01:52.580 realize how much you're hurting the people around you, you know, but you don't, but then you

01:01:56.320 have that epiphany. If you go gamble after the epiphany, then you're an asshole.

01:02:00.400 That's significantly worse. I mean, you should know to begin with, but in the second scenario,

01:02:04.140 it's significantly worse when you know you shouldn't be doing something and yet you

01:02:09.640 continue to do it anyways. I agree with that.

01:02:11.940 Exactly. And I think you see that a lot of times in infidelity. Somebody catches emotions,

01:02:17.340 gets really worked up. Somebody's compliment, you know, after 20 years of marriage or something

01:02:21.580 like that, it feels good. It feels easy. You go that route and then you're like, man,

01:02:25.320 people get into situations. I don't want to judge anybody, but if you make that mistake once,

01:02:30.920 if you make it a second time, it's like Voltaire. I'll leave it to the great philosopher Voltaire.

01:02:34.620 I won't try to expand anymore. He said, once a philosopher, twice a pervert. You can do anything

01:02:40.180 once to understand it. If you do it again, then it, then it becomes more, you know, you're,

01:02:45.520 you're, you're taking an active approach to choose this. You know what I mean?

01:02:49.240 I heard another quote just the other day, and I think it was something along those lines,

01:02:52.980 but the second time it's a decision. Yeah. Hell yeah. And that's exactly right. And

01:02:58.120 man, if you live within those confines, like be someone who chooses to make the right decision

01:03:05.020 the first time, but once you've made the mistake, then it's an active agreement, right? You're

01:03:10.440 agreeing to do something against your value system. Once you know it's wrong.

01:03:14.960 Well, Brandon, man, I hate to say this. We're bumping up against time and we, we went a lot

01:03:18.540 longer than I had anticipated and longer than I had even told you. So I hope you're okay on time,

01:03:23.000 but, uh, I want to ask you a couple additional questions as you wind down.

01:03:26.500 Oh dude, I'm so good.

01:03:28.160 Good. Well, we're going to do this again. Cause we had talked, I think yesterday, uh, about coming

01:03:32.760 out to Zion, which you said yes to, I'm going to hold you to that, man.

01:03:35.740 Yeah.

01:03:36.580 It's going to be a good time. You'll love it out here. We'll wait for it to cool down a little

01:03:39.380 bit and then we'll do it. Cause it's blazing hot. I think it was 105 yesterday. It'll probably

01:03:43.580 be right around there today again. So it's, it's hot. Let me ask you these couple additional

01:03:47.200 questions as we wind down. The first one is what does it mean to be a man?

01:03:51.480 To me, being a man is someone who accepts responsibility, even if it's the responsibility

01:03:56.720 of others, just like a father would for his children. If you own a business, if someone

01:04:01.520 doesn't do their job, guess whose job it is to get it right. It's yours. If you have children,

01:04:06.220 it's the responsibility to raise them correctly, to teach them the skills that will help them in the

01:04:11.600 world. But it's just to be someone like we've talked about this entire time, someone who says

01:04:16.460 something and means it, who is willing to say sorry, who is willing to understand a different

01:04:20.540 perspective so that they can be better. And I think it's someone who does the right thing

01:04:25.460 as best they can every single day and by the right thing and as best they can within their

01:04:31.700 knowledge perspective, they do the things that they believe in.

01:04:35.880 Right on, man. That's powerful stuff. I, I wholeheartedly agree. All right. How do we connect

01:04:40.020 with you, learn more about what you're doing and, uh, and have some conversations with you.

01:04:43.520 My primary focus is Instagram. I just got really tired with the back and forth of Facebook and

01:04:48.680 Instagram. If you follow me on any platform, it's usually some order of BrandonLily3, L-I-L-L-Y

01:04:55.740 and the number three. Twitter, for some reason, I had that. And then they sent me an email saying it

01:05:00.380 had to be changed. So it's now LilyBrandon3, but everything else is BrandonLily3. I'm very active

01:05:05.920 with my DM account. Uh, I try to answer questions. If you ask me something that's worthwhile or

01:05:11.940 personal, I really, really try to delve into those and help people as much as I can. If you ask me a

01:05:16.920 training question, I'll do the best I can off the cuff. And if more than likely, I'm going to refer

01:05:21.320 you to an article that will expand on it more than I can do in two sentences. But yeah, I try to be as

01:05:26.900 active and as gauging with people as they are with me. Obviously can't answer every single question

01:05:32.020 that I get, but I do try to reply like, Hey, thanks for the question. Check this out. Or what

01:05:36.380 I try to just be as engaging as I can, because if somebody has the respect and takes the time to

01:05:41.160 reach out to me, I need to do the best I can to reply to them. You've been that way with me,

01:05:45.420 man. So I really appreciate that. What's the significance of three on all your, uh, your

01:05:49.920 profiles? Well, originally it was just, uh, the three boys, me and my two brothers. One of three is,

01:05:55.980 is kind of how we always do that. Cause my dad, actually my grandfather, he always said,

01:06:00.500 well, this is my number one son. He's not ranked number one, but he was born first. And this is

01:06:05.040 my number. And he just kind of go, he had little jokes for all of it. So my dad, my dad always

01:06:09.220 called us number one, two, and three. He's like, this is my number one son, or this is my number

01:06:13.040 three son. You know, people would always look at him kind of weird, but we knew it wasn't like a

01:06:17.140 ranking system, even though I am the favorite. So, but yeah, it was, it was just one of three.

01:06:23.880 So that's why that's cool. I was just curious about that. Well, man, I got to tell you,

01:06:27.580 I appreciate you. I appreciate our friendship and just getting to know you over the past

01:06:30.360 couple of months online. I'm looking forward to connecting in person. Uh, we'll have a good

01:06:34.700 time. And, uh, I feel like you and I are connected in a lot of different ways. So I appreciate you,

01:06:38.680 man. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate it.

01:06:43.000 Gentlemen, there it is my conversation with my friend, Brandon Lilly. I think you probably heard

01:06:48.180 in this conversation and in his voice, the level of humility that he has, and he's done some

01:06:54.180 wonderful and some amazing things. And of course had his share of trial and adversity and

01:06:58.300 obstacles as we all have. But what I like about Brandon is that he's taken those trials

01:07:03.040 and he's become better. He's become stronger through those adversities and through those

01:07:07.540 trials. So guys, if you would make sure you shout out to him, shout out to me. Both of us are very,

01:07:12.800 very active over on Instagram. You can catch us on Twitter, Facebook, the websites, wherever you're

01:07:17.760 doing the social media thing, that's where we'll be. Let us know, let us know what you thought about

01:07:21.400 the conversation and the show. I know he would like to hear from you. He's always good about getting

01:07:25.520 back to people. I would like to hear from you and know how this movement and particularly this

01:07:30.300 conversation is helping you become a better man. So guys, with that, I will sign out for today until

01:07:35.840 Friday for our Friday field notes. I just, again, want to tell you, thank you for being on this

01:07:40.560 journey. You, whether you know it or not, push me, you motivate me, you inspire me. I've certainly

01:07:46.160 become a better man throughout this movement because of guys like yourself. You're challenging me,

01:07:51.720 you're holding me accountable. And as challenging as that is at times, I do appreciate it. So

01:07:56.720 again, I'll sign out for today until Friday, take action and become the man you are meant to be.

01:08:03.280 Thank you for listening to the Order of Man podcast. If you're ready to take charge of your life

01:08:07.880 and be more of the man you were meant to be, we invite you to join the order at orderofman.com.

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