Order of Man - 176： Be Legendary

00:00:00.120 Legendary is a term we hear often, but when is the last time you actually thought about what it meant?

00:00:04.880 Being legendary is about creating and living a life in which the principles and lessons you left behind will last long after you're dead and gone.

00:00:12.560 Today, I'm joined by the president of SorenX, Bert Soren.

00:00:15.840 We cover the importance of creating the right culture, balancing family time with professional ambition, leading through vulnerability, and how a man becomes legendary.

00:00:25.640 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path.

00:00:31.840 When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time.

00:00:36.300 You are not easily deterred or defeated. Rugged. Resilient. Strong.

00:00:41.340 This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become.

00:00:45.580 At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

00:00:50.520 Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler, and I am the host and founder of this podcast, The Order of Man.

00:00:57.380 I want to welcome you. Whether you're joining us for the first time or you've been here for three, three and a half years,

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00:03:45.320 of man. All right, guys, let me introduce you to Bert and then we'll get to the rest of the

00:03:50.800 conversation. He is the CEO and president of Soranex. I know a lot of you guys have probably heard of

00:03:56.240 or are familiar with Soranex. If you're not, they are the leading innovator in American made strength

00:04:01.920 and conditioning equipment. Bert grew up in the business that his dad started nearly four decades ago and

00:04:07.900 has since gone on to develop and refine and innovate the business into what it is today. He is a former

00:04:14.520 division one track and field, all American, an Olympic trials athlete. But since then, again, he's gone on

00:04:20.700 to build his family business and create a legacy that reaches far beyond what him and his father built in

00:04:27.080 their garage. He's become a friend over the past several months. And I can't think of a better man to talk with

00:04:31.920 me about leading ourselves and our businesses and our families the best way that we're capable of.

00:04:39.820 Bert, what's up, man? Thanks for joining me on the show today.

00:04:42.020 Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure.

00:04:43.800 Yeah, we just released not too long ago our interview with Brandon Lilly, who's associated

00:04:49.420 with you guys. And you know what? That interview actually was our number one most downloaded interview

00:04:55.180 to date. So you got big shoes to fill, man. No pressure on you right now, right?

00:05:00.560 Well, I already knew that because I do thankfully get to hang with Brandon a good bit. And we've had

00:05:05.740 some very long discussions over meat or fire or shooting or lifting or something like that. So

00:05:11.080 intentionally when we have events, say with Summer Strong or something along those lines, I never

00:05:16.320 go after him because I know enough. I know his potency that I'll let him follow me any day,

00:05:22.740 but I'm not following Brandon Lilly. That's a hard one. So thanks for putting me in that perfect

00:05:26.540 position. And not to mention he might kick your ass. I mean, the dude's huge. So he is a large

00:05:30.920 individual and he's, he's much, um, more mobile than one would think, especially in these more

00:05:37.000 recent days. So I'm super proud of him. He's, he's a one in a million person and that gets better

00:05:43.580 every day. I can't say enough good things about him, but you know, you did put me in a crappy

00:05:47.620 position to have him to follow him. So I appreciate that. It was probably about a week or so before

00:05:53.620 I talked with him and I think we were introduced through another mutual friend. So I just think

00:05:59.360 this was bound to happen. And it seems like the stars aligned to make this work.

00:06:02.940 Yeah, absolutely. Who was it that introduced you to Brandon?

00:06:05.640 No, no. That introduced you and I, that made the connection between you and me.

00:06:09.180 Exactly. And yeah, we got that intro and then I saw you had Brandon. I said, okay, cool. Right.

00:06:13.380 Keeping in the family. I love it.

00:06:14.540 Well, speaking of family, I mean, you've got a family business, Soren X, which I know a lot of

00:06:18.820 guys that are listening have heard of or are familiar with, or maybe even use some of your

00:06:23.360 equipment, but this is a family business. Are you, is it just you now? Is your dad still involved?

00:06:28.260 Yes, he's still involved. He still comes into work a couple of days a week. And that's generally only

00:06:33.180 because I try to not have him come in. And it's not that he doesn't have an effectiveness here,

00:06:38.300 but I want to make sure that at 68 years old, that he doesn't, uh, doesn't have to feel the

00:06:43.300 stresses as much that he has in the years past. And we've been around for 38 years. And

00:06:47.680 I guess it's my gift or attempted gift to him to, uh, let him feel like he could go fishing more

00:06:54.200 often. Is he able to do that though? Cause I know a lot of guys, especially with the work ethic that

00:06:58.440 I I've seen from your father is like, he doesn't want to let that stuff go. Maybe I don't know.

00:07:03.440 No, you're a hundred percent right. That's I'm going to say a problem, but that is a struggle point.

00:07:07.520 You know, I kind of joke with him. I said, you know, my ass isn't going to be here five days a

00:07:11.600 week in, you know, 28 years or whatever. And he, you know, he, we laugh and, but you know,

00:07:18.020 maybe it will be, who knows, right. You know, once, once you get inundated and for so long,

00:07:22.240 I mean, I've already been here 19 years. So maybe, I don't know, you put me in another 20,

00:07:27.200 maybe it's one of those things you get so institutionalized into how it works and it's

00:07:31.500 just so in your blood.

00:07:32.760 And maybe not even institutionalized. Maybe you just enjoy it.

00:07:35.320 You do. You do. But I believe you also kind of forget what life was without it. Right.

00:07:40.700 It's almost like having kids where my wife and I were talking about the other day and as hard as

00:07:45.320 they are at times, you just go, gosh, do you remember when it was just us? And we said, no,

00:07:49.720 it, that was so long ago. It was such a long life ago. And our kids are only oldest is only six.

00:07:55.340 So I know my memory is longer than that, but I don't remember what it's like because that's been,

00:08:00.360 that's been the deal. So I don't know. I hope you could, uh, go enjoy,

00:08:04.900 but then again, like, what do you do? Like, I mean, you're at a cool place where it has people

00:08:10.320 coming in and lifting and there's all about your passion. I mean, kind of makes sense. Why would

00:08:14.240 you go anywhere else?

00:08:15.600 Well, and I think you guys have done such a good job with your culture as well, because I know

00:08:19.000 there's plenty of businesses out there that people are just, they can't get out of there fast enough

00:08:22.840 versus other organizations like yours where people want to be involved. And it's more than just the

00:08:27.820 business. It's the culture, it's the brotherhood, it's the camaraderie and the friendships and the,

00:08:31.560 in the family, frankly, absolutely. It is. And I think we've been very fortunate enough

00:08:37.020 through one way or the other to cultivate that. And the people that we've hired and brought on

00:08:42.120 into the fold, they've perpetuated it and, you know, put their spin on it and everything like

00:08:46.740 that. And it's cool when, you know, Friday afternoon, you know, six 30, there's still guys

00:08:52.880 out in the parking lot or down. We call the sugar shack. This is like old building that we had on the

00:08:57.960 property and guys are sitting down there. They'll start to have a fire pit and stuff like that.

00:09:02.200 They're all, I mean, these are dudes that have worked out in the shop all week, hot, dusty and

00:09:07.440 everything like that. And they're out sitting around the fire pit or having a beer or something,

00:09:12.200 just hanging out. And I'm like, wow, you guys just still don't want to leave yet. And I was like,

00:09:15.520 yeah, these are my buddies and we're all hanging out and we're doing our thing. Or these guys,

00:09:18.760 they'll come in and train at the gym after that. And probably one of my most stressful times of the

00:09:24.400 week, honestly, is 4.30 on a Friday. And I guess maybe that's being an owner, but I have these

00:09:29.940 ambitions of things that I want to accomplish. And 4.30 on a Friday reminds me that you didn't

00:09:35.880 get all the stuff done that you wanted to get done. How do you manage that through the weekend?

00:09:39.820 Because I'm the same way, you know, I've got the business here and we enjoy obviously what we do.

00:09:45.060 I'm 100% into this thing. And so it's hard for me to shut it off even on the weekends,

00:09:49.820 even though I want to be present with my family. I want to be on vacations. I also want to be here.

00:09:53.760 It's probably one of my biggest struggles and we use the term presence. And that's something that

00:09:59.700 I struggle with. I talked about it a little bit at SummerStrong. I did like a kind of a 10

00:10:04.820 tenants to be legendary is our tagline. And one of them is be present. In one way that could be,

00:10:11.400 you know, when you're somewhere that you have a presence about you and you, I wouldn't say project,

00:10:16.140 but that you're a person of substance. But the other part of that is being able to be present.

00:10:21.320 And that is something that's, like I said, it's probably my most difficult thing because as a

00:10:25.980 business owner, maybe you've conquered this, I don't know. But as a business owner, so much of

00:10:30.960 a business or being a leader, you have to be so forward focused, front side focus that you have

00:10:37.260 to be looking so far down the line. Because if you're living in the day to day as a leader,

00:10:42.220 you're six months behind. So that's what I had to make the transition when I became a leader at

00:10:46.980 Sornex to go, okay, I need to be worrying about or not worrying, but be concerned about what's

00:10:51.620 happening six months to a year from now. So I could hopefully lay the groundwork where my men

00:10:57.000 could come in behind me and go through those blocks that I've created for them on the field,

00:11:02.300 and they could run right through those holes. So everything becomes all about what's happening

00:11:07.060 tomorrow, what's happening tomorrow. By that being the mindset constantly, and it's even the

00:11:12.040 training mindset that I had in athletics, you know, everything was, you know, I'm going to

00:11:16.620 peak on this day. So everything was always forward thinking. And then the work in the weight room as an

00:11:23.640 athlete just became a physical manifestation of what I had already dreamt and lived in my mind.

00:11:30.020 I'd already decided that on four weeks from now, I'm going to squat 500 for eight reps. And because

00:11:35.380 that's my whatever I'm supposed to do. And then the work going up to it is just somewhat mindless work,

00:11:41.100 because I'm just living to get to that goal line. And the work is just happens to be a,

00:11:46.280 you know, factors that lead into that. The same thing with business. So you have this

00:11:50.800 physical manifestation, that it's almost feels like your avatar is doing the work that you've

00:11:56.620 already set your mind to you've already visualized 1000 times doing it, you've already thought through

00:12:00.800 every possible scenario. And now you're just doing the work. I equate it to walking through the

00:12:06.860 woods with a flashlight, you don't put the flashlight directly at your feet, you put it five to 10

00:12:10.960 yards ahead of you. So you can see what's happening. And your body automatically knows

00:12:15.040 to step over that limb that you saw three steps before and you just do it, you see it out of your

00:12:20.720 periphery, you're kind of there, but you're really kind of just looking ahead. And that's what I find

00:12:24.900 my my life feeling like so often, I have to stop myself and go, Okay, I'm in this room, I'm talking

00:12:31.780 these people, these people might be my family, they might be my kids. But unfortunately, I'm thinking of

00:12:37.720 next Tuesday, when I have to get on a flight to San Antonio, and I'm doing this. And that's so hard.

00:12:44.100 It is a challenge. And it's a struggle because you talk about stepping over the rock. But sometimes

00:12:47.720 there's value in stopping and looking at the rock, right? Or just appreciating what the rock is

00:12:51.820 100%. Yeah. And that's literally the smell the roses kind of scenario. Yeah, exactly.

00:12:57.420 Otherwise, it's come home 730 at night, make sure the kids are fed, play with them a little bit,

00:13:03.160 brush your teeth, blah, blah, blah, all the stuff that also becomes a plan. Okay,

00:13:07.500 we need to make sure that this happens, this happens, this happens, this happens,

00:13:10.560 then they're going to go to bed, then I'm going to be able to spend some time with the wife. And so

00:13:13.900 all these are things I know need to be accomplished. And what I found myself and still to sometimes

00:13:19.220 finding myself, it feels like I'm going through a workout, I know it needs to be done, I'm getting

00:13:23.640 it done. But am I like really appreciating the inflection and tone in my daughter's voice,

00:13:29.680 when she's getting ready to brush her teeth? Am I blowing right past the ones when my little

00:13:36.420 guy Kodiak wants to come up and hug up on my leg and everything? Or am I thinking,

00:13:40.160 okay, no, you need to get in the bath right now, because x, y and z. And so am I taking too much

00:13:46.200 of a business approach, leadership business approach to the family, or my friends or things

00:13:51.520 like that? And that's what I struggle with the most is the being present. Because in my opinion,

00:13:56.320 being present is the utmost respect that you could give to your life, as well as the people around you.

00:14:01.660 because that shows that you're connected and you're dialed into their value at the time,

00:14:06.560 versus, you know, where's this going? And the where's this going is profitable in life,

00:14:12.020 and it is needed, but it can't overshadow where you are at the moment. And so that's a piece that

00:14:18.620 I'm personally working on very diligently at the moment. So I don't know if you are as well, but

00:14:24.540 I just kind of wanted to bring that up.

00:14:26.400 I think anybody who's an achiever probably is hearing this and just thinking, man, you're,

00:14:31.560 you know, my life, I was watching the kids, I've got four kids, my wife went out with one of her

00:14:35.580 girlfriends last night, and I was here watching the kids. And at times I had to catch myself,

00:14:40.680 because I felt like I was just going through the motions, like, okay, here's dinner, like assembly

00:14:44.720 line dinner, right? And then get them all in the bath and get them changed and get them this read

00:14:48.260 them in bedtime story. And I'm like, man, am I really enjoying this bedtime story with him? Am I

00:14:51.820 really enjoying the opportunity to feel them laying on me and giggling and laughing? Or am I just hurry

00:14:58.120 and check this off the list so that I can get on to whatever else I need to do?

00:15:01.520 Right. And so you could go back and check the emails that the people that you know tomorrow are

00:15:05.160 supposed to hit you up to see if any of the status has changed. So you can make sure you're effective

00:15:09.300 for tomorrow. And sometimes I get so fed up with the phone. The phone is probably my most valuable

00:15:16.440 thing I carry. But it's also the thing I probably hate most. A couple weeks ago, I would say I had

00:15:22.120 a breakdown, but I just got so fed up with not being present and just the external struggles.

00:15:28.900 I just turned my phone off. And I know it sounds like everybody's like, whoa, bro, really freaking

00:15:33.700 tough. You turn off your phone. But, you know, when you have 100 plus employees, and a lot of things

00:15:40.040 going on, that's a pretty dangerous move.

00:15:42.900 Oh, absolutely. It can be if you don't have your ducks in a row.

00:15:45.960 Right. But I turned off my phone. I put it away, like, physically far from me. And I probably

00:15:54.320 was offline for, I know it sounds like a pussy, like for 10 or 12 hours. But the first hour,

00:16:00.440 I was pulling my hair out. Because I'm so used to that dopamine hit of tying in. What's going on?

00:16:06.060 What's going on with the world? I got to check the temperature of my world. And I went, hold on.

00:16:11.060 This thing is running me. And I have a couple mentors that talked to me. And they were like,

00:16:15.840 dude, you got to unplug, you got to disconnect, you got to, whether it's be by yourself and kind

00:16:21.620 of pull things back together, or if it's be with your kids or whatever. But at times, it feels like

00:16:27.560 death by 1000 cuts. Like there's so much interaction in and out, the comms will kill you. Just the

00:16:34.900 communication with so many different entities of people feel like 1000 little, not even straws,

00:16:42.040 but like the little coffee stirrer straws are really, really little ones, you know, like 1000

00:16:46.580 of those hooked up and your your blood is just being pulled out of your body in a slow fashion,

00:16:51.440 where a month later, you look and you like a raisin, because all of your blood and your soul

00:16:55.820 is pulled out. And it's not because of anything bad. That's how I just see it. You know, I just see

00:17:01.100 it of like, every time I open my mouth, or every time I take in information, at times, it could just

00:17:07.720 be enough. You know, and I spoke with someone the other day, and they said, Well, how you doing? I

00:17:12.420 said, I said, if you, if on Monday night, you saw Led Zeppelin in concert, and Tuesday night,

00:17:20.100 you saw Metallica, and Thursday night, or Wednesday night, you saw, let's say, I don't know, the

00:17:26.260 Guns and Roses, the fourth night, you saw Journey. Even if Rage Against the Machine was playing Friday

00:17:34.140 night, it's probably better to sit out one. Yeah, yeah, it's a good point. You know,

00:17:39.740 and that's kind of how life has felt recently. It's been great. And I'm not bitching whatsoever,

00:17:44.880 nor am I bragging. It's been great. There's been amazing opportunities. I have some of the most

00:17:50.780 interesting people in my life that I just love to death. But sometimes, and I'm having to kind of get

00:17:58.260 over the internal feeling and know that it's okay, is sometimes alone is fine. Alone is good. And

00:18:07.120 sometimes talking to people isn't necessarily the answer. Right? That's the me as a person. Now,

00:18:12.720 other people may like always have to have people around or whatever. Although I'm very gregarious,

00:18:17.900 I still really enjoy being by myself. Like you give me a pair of boots and a rifle and an open

00:18:23.180 mountain. I'll talk to you in a couple months. I'm completely fine with that. But that's not the

00:18:30.080 reality I live in. It's really important that we find the right portions or proportions, if you will,

00:18:35.820 of what we're doing in life. And so, yeah, somebody might be more social than another person and get a

00:18:41.100 lot of energy from being around. I tend to be the other way where I can go up into the mountains and I

00:18:46.280 do, you know, if I need a technology fast or just get away with the family, we'll go up to the

00:18:50.260 mountain. Sounds like you do as well. And it's like, I need to disconnect, unplug and finding

00:18:54.340 the right portions of each of those. We talk a lot about balance and it's not, it's not finding

00:18:59.380 equal amounts of time for every activity or engagement. It's finding the right amount of

00:19:04.580 time for each that works for you. Yes. Yes. And there are going to be different times in your life

00:19:10.200 where different portions or proportions are applicable and needed. You know, sometimes that technology fast,

00:19:16.660 there might be seasons in your life where it's not needed. And then there's other times when

00:19:21.060 it's vital to survival. And it's, I had a friend of mine tell me, he said, you know,

00:19:25.280 sometimes your insulation from the world isn't something that is, uh, like exquisite, it's survival.

00:19:31.800 And I was like, wow. And this is coming from a person who has seemingly the world by the ass.

00:19:38.240 And, you know, he said, Bert, you just go in your man cave and go work on something for

00:19:43.340 a day or two or nothing, you know, or just nothing, just some, something that's different

00:19:50.200 than the daily. And, and again, I don't want to make this about my trials, tribulations or

00:19:56.720 whatever. That's not what it's about. I'm just trying to shed light on this is a thing being

00:20:02.120 transparent. This is a thing I'm going through. I'm sure other people in my situation or not in my

00:20:08.220 situation go through as well. And I'm more trying to start trying to think of a dialogue or something

00:20:13.420 where maybe someone that hears this and goes, crap, I feel the exact same way, regardless of

00:20:18.800 their position that they're in in life or what they do, or it doesn't matter. I mean, we're all,

00:20:23.460 we're all men. And as men, leaders of the family or leaders of our social group or whatever,

00:20:29.240 sometimes the pressure could be really high. You know, I'm glad we talk about this kind of stuff

00:20:32.880 because I think it's very easy for someone who's listening to this podcast to think,

00:20:36.420 Bert's got it figured out. He's got life by the balls. Ryan's got this going on and think that

00:20:41.040 somehow we've managed to overcome some of the problems that they feel like they're struggling

00:20:45.560 with. But I'll tell you what, from my experience, and I think you can probably attest to this as

00:20:49.680 well as we all deal with the same stuff, right? They might be varying degrees or extremes, but all

00:20:56.400 of us are dealing with that. And when somebody sees somebody who they maybe unjustly hold up on a

00:21:02.340 pedestal, that's dealing with the same issues. They're like, Oh, that guy's human. If this guy can

00:21:06.120 overcome whatever you're dealing with, I can do it too.

00:21:09.040 Yes. I think you're exactly right, Ryan. And two things, you know, I think some people are better

00:21:14.820 at masking it and or marketing their life. So it seems, so it seems like, wow, you know, I mean,

00:21:22.480 I think you and Brandon talked about the rock. If anyone's killing it in the world right now,

00:21:27.720 seemingly it'd be that guy, you know, I mean, what doesn't he have? He has fame,

00:21:32.080 he has money, he has a family, he has, you know, an amazing face, amazing body, amazing jobs. I mean,

00:21:39.040 like, come on. But I guarantee you, the guy still has some shitty days.

00:21:43.940 No doubt. He's got to. And I can't imagine at the level that he plays, his shitty days

00:21:49.300 are probably extremely, extremely shitty days versus what maybe even we're dealing with.

00:21:55.080 Just a different level.

00:21:56.120 Yeah. And that leads me to the next thing is our director of operations. He's a good deal older

00:22:01.840 than me. And he's had, he has a lot of wisdom, you know, as we've grown over the years, he was

00:22:06.360 kind of giving me some mentorship and he said, you know, here's the thing, you know, we're always

00:22:10.640 going to have issues in a business. It's just going to have more zeros behind it. And it's just kind

00:22:15.320 of the thing. It was a good leveler of business, but not only as a people, everyone's going to have

00:22:21.340 their shitty days, the rock shitty days just might be on paper more severe than mine. But you know,

00:22:28.020 I've kind of joked, I said, you know, as cool as anyone is, they've had a stomach bug and laid on

00:22:33.420 the bathroom floor before wanting to die. Just like I have. Yeah, that is true. You know, I don't care

00:22:40.260 how hot any girl is or how rich any guy is. We've all been there in a completely debilitated state that

00:22:46.500 you wouldn't want any other human to see you in. And guess what? We're all human. And there's only

00:22:51.480 a couple of decisions or a couple of marketing pieces that separate us from all being that same

00:22:56.900 person every couple of years. It's about being relatable, right? It's about recognizing that

00:23:02.420 everybody's dealing with the same thing because I think 20, 30 years ago, we'd hold these people up

00:23:06.600 on pedestals and we couldn't really see what was going on. We couldn't see or have access to those

00:23:11.000 days. But I found when it comes to leadership, whether that's in the business or even in the

00:23:17.360 family, you know, I'll sit down with my boy and he might be struggling and I'll share with him some

00:23:21.660 examples of where I struggled when I was his age. How old is he? My oldest is 10. Okay. So he's

00:23:28.020 really starting to understand that a little bit more. When he sees what I deal with, not that dad's a

00:23:33.380 superhero, but that dad is a human being who's managed to overcome some things. He looks at that and

00:23:39.500 thinks to himself, man, I can do it too. Oh, dad used to face that. And now look where he's at.

00:23:44.720 Oh, good. I can do it too. So I think it's actually inspiring when you talk about the reality of

00:23:51.260 how things are good and when things are bad. 100%. That's another thing. Like when you're

00:23:56.860 talking about your son, I think I'm a pretty good dad. I'm not the best dad by any stretch of the

00:24:01.540 imagination. I think part of it is, you know, based on the stress level or my inability to handle

00:24:06.060 stress at times, but even learning to apologize to your kids, you know, and sometimes I've cracked

00:24:12.180 off on them, you know, because of X, Y, and Z, you know, but even my son's six and he doesn't

00:24:17.820 understand everything because he's, you know, he's six and my, my daughter's four and my other

00:24:21.840 little boys too. And they'll, you know, Kodiak, my little littlest boy, I mean, he doesn't

00:24:25.900 understand much. My other two, you know, if I have a bad day or they do something that really

00:24:32.500 tests my patients and maybe I come across too harshly, I'm trying to go to them later.

00:24:40.380 And maybe this is a bad, maybe it's a really bad idea. I don't know. Maybe it usurps my,

00:24:44.680 you know, structure and within the house, but I think it's only right, you know, to go in there

00:24:49.160 and say, Hey, you know, Ezra, you know, daddy was really frustrated earlier and I shouldn't have

00:24:53.980 gotten that angry because this, this, and this, this is what I was feeling, but I shouldn't have

00:24:59.540 taken it out on you and daddy was wrong for doing that. Yeah. I don't think that undermines. I think

00:25:04.520 that actually builds up trust and credibility with your kids or employees when you're actually

00:25:09.040 real about, Hey, I, I screwed up and I'm going to fix it. I don't think that undermines any

00:25:13.580 authority that you have. I hope not. And I guess in a perfect world, I believe that's the case.

00:25:18.200 I just don't know if at four or six, I guess time will tell. Do you have to always be right up until

00:25:24.660 a certain age just so they believe you? I don't know. Or do you say just exactly that? And I hope

00:25:29.260 that that's the right way to do it. Well, I think where you might get into trouble

00:25:32.480 is if you keep apologizing for the same behavior over and over and over. And then as our kids get

00:25:37.760 older, they're like, yeah, dad's apologizing again, but tomorrow he's going to fly off the

00:25:41.440 handle again and do the same thing he's always been doing. And so I think that probably would

00:25:45.760 undermine what you're trying to build, but to admit your flaws and tell your kids or your employees,

00:25:51.300 tell you what, when people are real with me, that only elevates my level of trust and credibility

00:25:56.300 with them. Sure. And Brandon and I have talked about that before is, you know,

00:26:00.780 and I know he's apologized to some spokes. I know you talked about it in your podcast, but

00:26:05.020 I've told some other people that if someone was to come in before you and basically

00:26:10.560 pin themselves against the wall, put their hands up and say, take your shots. Here's what I've done

00:26:16.000 wrong. Take your shots. Very few people are going to haul off and lay it to them.

00:26:21.520 Sure. Right. And it's crazy that that's such a defensively offense position to take

00:26:28.160 because you pretty much kill the fight. Right. You take down any weapon they may have had

00:26:34.600 against you because you just owned it, recognized it and used it. Right. And if they do crack off with

00:26:41.300 one, then, okay, maybe it was deserved or maybe they're just an asshole. I mean, at least you know,

00:26:47.900 you know, you go, okay, well, probably good idea not to pitch that guy up a meatball because he's

00:26:53.220 going to smash out of the park every time, but. But you've done it and it's out of the way and you

00:26:56.720 never need to do it again, as long as you don't keep making those mistakes. Right. Right. You don't

00:27:00.660 fear it anymore. And then you just kind of go, okay, cool. And ass beating is never as bad as

00:27:05.600 worrying about the ass beating. That is true. Our mind has the ability to conjure up the worst

00:27:10.840 case scenario. It's called cognitive distortions. And we just, we play these crazy mental games when

00:27:17.100 in all reality, if we just face the situation we were mentally dealing with, I think more often than

00:27:22.220 not, it's less significant than we play it out in our minds. Right. It's so hard. It is hard. I think

00:27:29.220 we have to draw upon past experience though. Right. Sure. That's certainly the sign of a mature

00:27:34.620 thinking adult that has the ability to do that. And so that's definitely something we all strive

00:27:40.000 for. I wanted to shift gears. You talked about your man cave a couple of minutes ago and I was

00:27:45.120 online because I was preparing for having this conversation with you and I saw your, your official

00:27:50.080 man cave. Yeah. That is rad. I got to say that is rad. Thank you. I appreciate it. Is that at your

00:27:55.500 house or where, where is that behind my house? There was a, when, when we purchased the house,

00:27:59.760 there was a, a building, like a metal building, typical metal building, slab floor, you know,

00:28:04.180 nothing special, like a shed garage, whatever you may want to call it. When we purchased the house,

00:28:08.980 that was kind of the deal sealer for me. Cause I knew I wanted to make the first day I called it

00:28:13.100 like the cave, just like, couldn't think of what to call it. And of course my kids started calling

00:28:17.260 the cave. Then it just became that known as, you know, real original. Right. So I mean,

00:28:21.580 I knew I wanted to have a gym and some places to store some of my outdoor gear

00:28:25.340 that doesn't clutter up the house. And then it was about a two and a half year project in my mind

00:28:31.460 and, you know, saving up some cash here and there and figuring out how to do it. And I wanted to take

00:28:36.880 time and not just throw stuff up there. So it's been this kind of evolving deal. No project is ever

00:28:43.600 finished. In my opinion, it's relatively finished. You know, I'm already doing some changes since that

00:28:48.520 video has been made, but in someone actually, after I even released the video of it, someone made a great

00:28:54.000 point. Brandon and I spoke about, it wasn't a man cave in a way. And initially I wanted a man cave

00:28:59.620 where I could go out there and kind of get away and work on a gun or shoot my bow or lift weights

00:29:05.980 or work on some stuff with tools or whatever it may be. Then I started designing it. And then I

00:29:11.740 wanted to make sure the flooring was thick enough where my little, little kids, if they fell, they

00:29:16.400 weren't going to get, you know, crack their head open and, or where I wanted it relatively clean. So it

00:29:20.860 could be a playroom for them. And then we could, my wife, you know, she doesn't have a lot of time

00:29:25.580 to get to the gym. Although we have, you know, SorenX HQ is still just another time to drive or

00:29:29.720 whatever. So she could start working out at home and we can work out together. And then, well,

00:29:33.260 let's put a TV in there. I don't watch TV, but if we have a big TV in there, we could do family

00:29:39.100 movie nights. And now it's like a theater room too, or I could entertain. And then we put a table,

00:29:44.340 what I call the ammo table in there. We designed that's has bins underneath where I can hold,

00:29:49.060 you know, tools and gun parts. And then it's high enough. I built where, cause I'm pretty

00:29:54.800 tall and I didn't want to have to bend over as much at all. Regular size tables hurt my

00:29:58.120 back. So I made it a little bit taller. So the kids couldn't grab, let's say if I was

00:30:01.720 working mounting a scope or something, my littlest couldn't pull stuff off. So we kind of designed

00:30:05.720 all these little parts and pieces. Then I could use it for podcasts and I could use it for

00:30:10.020 entertainment. And this, you know, metal building quickly became a multi usage place. This

00:30:16.340 literally by far my favorite. I like it way more than my house.

00:30:19.940 I'll have to post that video because it's, it's absolutely, I mean, it's just incredible.

00:30:24.640 Thank you.

00:30:25.140 You know, one of the things that I see not only in the man cave, but the other projects,

00:30:29.860 the universities you work with, the colleges and high schools and professional teams that

00:30:33.360 you work with is not only is your equipment like fully functional, obviously that's first and

00:30:38.160 foremost, I'm assuming it's first and foremost, but then it's beautiful.

00:30:42.500 Thank you.

00:30:43.380 I mean, the design is amazing. And I think it would be easy to overlook that and say,

00:30:48.740 well, as long as it's functional, that's the most important thing. And it is like,

00:30:52.340 where does this other element of design, has that always been built into the company and

00:30:56.280 ingrained into what you do?

00:30:57.500 It has been. So just to kind of finish before though, that, so now it's been called the fam

00:31:02.260 cave instead of even the man cave. And now this is something that's a multi-use space for my family.

00:31:08.040 Sometimes it's only Bert. Sometimes that's where I go in the morning and do some meditation.

00:31:11.560 Sometimes it's where the life works out. Sometimes, uh, you know, they're over there.

00:31:16.160 My marketing team is right over there doing a photo shoot right now for some products.

00:31:20.020 So it's become a multi-use piece, which kind of substantiated the cost associated with it. But

00:31:26.420 going to your other question, as far as, you know, the visual effect of some of the equipment

00:31:31.120 design. I mean, I've always liked nice stuff. I'm not necessarily a car guy. I think cars are

00:31:37.100 super cool. I just don't know that much about them. I'm like the only guy that doesn't

00:31:40.120 like, isn't super a car guy. I've been more of like a outdoors gear dude my whole life,

00:31:44.980 whether it be guns, knives, fishing rods, stuff like that. Like that's kind of what's been my life.

00:31:50.280 So I have a, an affinity for cool stuff. I mean, whether I mean as stupid as that sounds like,

00:31:58.520 and I, and I think when you see something function is the art form in itself, but there's something

00:32:04.340 also moving about aesthetics when you look at it and you just makes you want to touch it and be

00:32:09.100 around it and see how it works. And if it just works. It's the experience of it. Yeah. And it's

00:32:13.160 exactly it. And so some of our design was partly because of a function where we saw there was

00:32:19.860 definitely a need saying, okay, this exercise in our opinion, isn't safe enough. Say a step up,

00:32:26.940 for instance, doing a step up. Normally you took the bar off on your back, you walked out of the rack

00:32:32.020 across a platform or onto a box. That's a great thing until your ankle ever rolls or you lose

00:32:39.120 balance. And now you're standing up on top of a box with 300 pounds in your back and you fall and

00:32:44.360 you break something, which it sounds far fetched, but I literally spoke with two coaches after speaking

00:32:51.500 with a number of other coaches, two of them mentioned that they had two athletes that actually

00:32:56.800 fell doing the step up exercise and broke their back. And it's absolutely crazy. So that being said,

00:33:05.040 let's take that and figure out a much safer way. So that's the function. Let's figure out a safer way

00:33:10.600 through safety straps, utility seat, the locks in the rack or some different things that we could do

00:33:14.680 these exercises safer with more manageability and thus more effectiveness. So that's the number one

00:33:20.940 thing. But as you said before, the experience always has to be there. I'm someone and dad is

00:33:27.580 as well. And of course my dad, Richard Soren is the one that started this whole mess. He always knew

00:33:32.640 that things could be better. And in a way we have a lot of ability to stick with something we love,

00:33:40.560 but in another way we have a short attention span or interest span, I guess.

00:33:44.300 Yeah. I think a lot of successful people are probably like that.

00:33:46.680 Yeah. I mean, I love lifting weights, but if you told me I had to bench squat and deadlift only

00:33:51.240 with a conventional bar for the rest of my life, I'd probably stop.

00:33:54.700 Is that pretty much what he's done?

00:33:56.020 Well, no, he doesn't. That's where I got it from. He wanted to figure out 55 different ways to do

00:34:01.560 everything possible. If it meant hanging upside down with bands and do it. And, but you look at some

00:34:08.080 of the greats in any industry, that's where innovation comes from. It's just trying a million things.

00:34:12.860 And part of my training while I was able to, I think, train and compete for so long. And the

00:34:20.680 power sports was because I was always finding more effective and safer ways to get the job done,

00:34:27.560 but also figured out 50 different variants for every possible movement, which just kept my intensity

00:34:34.260 level high because I was able to, to go on new adventures, if that makes sense. Remember the old

00:34:38.560 books, like the write your own adventure kind of books, choose your own adventure. That was kind

00:34:42.720 of my training for 20 something years was, okay. I know I'm going to do a lower body pull and upper

00:34:47.100 body push based on those parameters. What can I do with a high intensity that encapsulates that?

00:34:53.720 And I don't care if it's a bench press, it might be a incline dumbbell stop and stab. Okay, great.

00:34:59.480 But now I'm excited. I'm going to go after it with high intensity, high velocity. And that was what

00:35:04.620 kept me really interested in training for a long time because I was always learning and having a new

00:35:09.980 adventure. So part of why we design our equipment, how we do is it has to build in that adventurous

00:35:18.100 spirit and the want for someone to, I want to try those jammer arms. Ah, you know, now they're

00:35:24.220 adjustable. So I want to try them tomorrow with the pivot point, two inches lower and see what that

00:35:28.680 does. I want to try it with two inches higher the next day, see what that does. Well, guess what?

00:35:32.500 I've just tricked you into doing jammer arms for three different workouts and you, and you got excited

00:35:36.740 about it every time. And so that's one thing that's, I think, brought us to the head of the pack.

00:35:42.140 But I think I got to interrupt here too, because I think there's something valuable here. It's,

00:35:45.960 it's not only that you created this variation that you're trying a lot of different things,

00:35:50.560 because I think it would be easy for somebody to listen to this and say, Oh, I just got to try a

00:35:53.840 bunch of things. But at the same time, what I'm hearing you say is we're trying a lot of different

00:35:58.680 things, but you're also staying in your lane. Yes. Right. And so you're going deep,

00:36:03.200 but you're exploring broadly towards some things that help you be better in this specific area.

00:36:09.500 Yes. Yes. There are things that work. I'm always going to do some sort of, to quote like a Dan

00:36:15.000 John, you know, there's a push, a pull, a hinge, a squat, a loaded carry. I mean, there's things like

00:36:19.940 that. I'm always going to do those things, but the adventure comes and how do I do them? It's kind

00:36:25.620 of like, I know I'm going to always have to eat the art form and the adventure comes in. How many

00:36:30.360 different ways can I cook and prepare the food? You know, there's maybe some people that could

00:36:34.140 eat broccoli and chicken breast the rest of their life and not worry about it. I'm not that guy.

00:36:38.020 I think very few people are, which is why they give up on their goals so quickly. It's like,

00:36:42.120 Oh, it takes tedious work to do the same thing over and over and over. Yes. That's what I'm saying.

00:36:46.180 But I like that you're talking about variation. Yeah. It's a variation, but then also there's,

00:36:50.120 you know, I hate to say it. There's the part of our brand that people expect a Sorenx weight room to

00:36:55.980 look completely out of this world and to be a flagship of the university because in many ways

00:37:01.780 we're arms dealer and we're arming a lot of its college division one football with their prime

00:37:07.960 recruiting tool. And if Oregon's room, university of Oregon's room doesn't look considerably better

00:37:13.140 than university of Auburn or Penn state or Alabama or whoever it may be, then they got to step up their

00:37:20.420 game because they're recruiting the same kids. And so we've realized in many ways that we're,

00:37:25.980 arming the university to sell 18 year old kids and also to sell 60 year old donors.

00:37:32.620 Of course it has to function flawlessly. Of course it has to minimize managerial training time in a

00:37:38.560 weight room for maximum efficiency, maximum safety, and the most time under tension in a session that

00:37:44.020 falls within NCAA guidelines. I think we're one of the first companies that actually took those

00:37:48.320 things into account. But also it has to look absolutely amazing that that guy who just stroked a

00:37:53.860 check for a million dollars for their new football facility gets to hang a picture on that on in his

00:37:59.860 office wall and go, look what my money went towards. That's the, that's the most badass weight room in

00:38:05.140 the nation. And I just bought it. Yeah, absolutely. He's got to be proud of that. And if it looks like

00:38:09.840 everyone else's and it's just white with straight lines and whatever, and it looks like the same one

00:38:14.940 that he worked out on 25 years before, it's not cool. I guess maybe our artistic flair has come

00:38:20.900 out and that's, that's a part of it that I really enjoy. And that's, that's a little secret of the

00:38:25.560 success. It really has been, I can see it from the outside and not, of course I'm not in this industry,

00:38:30.460 but I can see it and know that it's something that I just would want to be part of. It looks

00:38:34.780 incredible. So you talk about these NCAA guidelines. What would be some of the guidelines? I'm trying to

00:38:40.480 figure out how that would actually look. I mean, outside of illegal, you know, drug use or something

00:38:45.680 like that. Yeah, no NCAA compliance. I'll get it a little bit wrong because it seems like it changes

00:38:50.480 all the time. I'm sure. Yeah. But I'm going to kind of just make up numbers. Don't quote me on these

00:38:55.680 numbers, but you'll get a premise of what I'm going for during the off season. Let's say that the

00:39:01.120 student athletes are not allowed to have a mandatory practice time more than say three hours a week.

00:39:07.420 Now you're off season three hours a week. Now you're not going to be doing your sport.

00:39:10.880 Potentially. You're just going to be working out. We'll work out time. It goes towards that

00:39:15.480 time period. Well, now it's three hours a week. You break up with that into four days where you're

00:39:19.980 saying you're about a 45 minute workout. That's considerably less than I did in college.

00:39:25.300 Now I was a thrower, so we lifted a whole bunch, but now you're talking about warmup, cool down,

00:39:31.680 stretching, all that stuff has to go down. Plus a really great training session in 45 minutes. Okay. Well,

00:39:36.740 what if they have to do practice today? Well, now you've just cut down. You have the kids two 30

00:39:41.560 minute sessions a week. They're at the university of California or Stanford or Penn state or whatever.

00:39:47.920 When that coach comes to us and say, I got these kids two days a week for 37 minutes.

00:39:53.060 Now you got to create a workout that's going to work in that period of time.

00:39:55.740 Now you have to create a workout, but then if the stuff is really complicated and you can't

00:40:01.400 double up the function of certain pieces, you cause the coach too much downtime, too much

00:40:07.800 managerial time to move athletes from one place to another. You decrease time under tension, which

00:40:13.600 decreases muscular growth. And all of a sudden you're getting less work done. You're under training

00:40:20.160 your athletes. Conversely, if we're able to maximize that time, maximize the managerial aspect of the

00:40:26.780 weight room. What if we were able to add, let's say 20% more time under tension per session?

00:40:33.140 Doesn't sound like a lot, but when you look in the course of four years, we've just given that athlete

00:40:37.580 one entire training year. In the same amount of time, they're essentially just getting more work

00:40:42.200 done. I mean, this, this holds true, not just for the gym, but life, right? We, we, we only have a

00:40:47.900 short period of time. Everybody's got the same 24 hours and it's the ones who are successful that

00:40:52.700 manage that 24 hours correctly. Right. Right. And so where I think a lot of the industry that we were

00:40:58.160 in, they were getting caught in the weeds of just trying to make things either shiny or make the

00:41:04.420 newest, coolest thing that felt really good or whatever it may be. I think we were one of the

00:41:09.280 first companies to really sit down and go, hold on. There's a problem here that coaches are going to

00:41:13.740 have to get around is how do they get these athletes set up and rocking as fast as possible? Because

00:41:20.640 how do they maximize those 24 hours? And in this case, a lot of times it's one hour,

00:41:24.660 you know, the NFL started going to with the trade agreements and all these things like that. So now

00:41:29.600 these guys don't have to work out that much either. And so now instead of 16 weeks to train them,

00:41:34.660 sometimes there's 12 weeks or whatever. Well, it kind of screws the athletes a little bit,

00:41:39.400 but that's, that's my opinion. I mean, as long as they're all on the same playing field,

00:41:43.940 right? As long as the regulation is the same across the board, then the most successful team is the

00:41:49.900 one that learns to manage that time most effectively for maximum results.

00:41:53.980 100%. You got it. And so that's a bit of what we have to look at. So everything isn't just,

00:41:59.640 this is cool. This is super. This is shiny. This is neat looking. How quickly can we make sure these

00:42:04.420 athletes get what they need to do? And so it's always, it's a little bit of a pit crew. It's

00:42:08.120 always a race. How do you give the biggest dosage of exercise in the shortest period of time

00:42:12.560 efficiently?

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00:43:42.560 that after the show. But for now, let's get back to the conversation with Bert.

00:43:47.400 Has it always been the goal of Sorenix? You guys, what, 30, what, 35, 38 years?

00:43:51.880 38. 38 years. Has it always been the goal to work with these athletic teams or has that vision

00:43:59.680 changed over the course of three, almost four decades?

00:44:02.640 Initially, the vision was to make better equipment that was currently available. That was all it was.

00:44:09.260 My father, Richard, he was a, he was a big guy, six, five. He's been up to 300 pounds a number of

00:44:14.780 times. He was very strong, especially for the seventies and eighties. And the equipment that was built

00:44:19.380 either wasn't large enough for his wingspan, wasn't adjustable enough. Was it comfortable

00:44:25.180 enough? Was it safe enough? He's always been good at designing and welding and things like that.

00:44:30.300 So he just said, well, I've loved lifting. Well, I'm just going to build my own. If it doesn't exist,

00:44:34.920 I'm just going to build my own because there has to be something better than this

00:44:37.900 garden variety crap that's out there. So he started building it and lo and behold,

00:44:44.080 a couple of people bought it, you know, and they were first people were some local churches and some

00:44:48.860 rec centers and high schools and things like that, you know, five years, six years into it,

00:44:53.560 a couple of universities purchased the stuff. And then it's grew really, really, really slowly

00:44:58.420 through there, just through the channels of people that kind of were in the know that said, okay,

00:45:03.540 there's this little custom company down in South Carolina that will build you whatever you want.

00:45:08.240 And it's going to be really cool. And it's going to be more bomb proof than you ever thought

00:45:12.800 possible. Was he doing something else outside of this while he was doing this?

00:45:16.320 He was still a coach. So he was a teacher and a coach and also was running Soren playgrounds at

00:45:21.560 the time where we were building playgrounds for schools and things like that. So those two were

00:45:26.940 happening first. Soren equipment came out literally a labor of love as he was learning how to weld

00:45:31.920 and started playing with it as he got better. You know, that type of thing started in our carport

00:45:37.040 a couple of years into it. A girl he was dating at the time told him, you know, you're doing three

00:45:43.020 things. You can't do three things. You know, you're, you're running yourself to death and

00:45:47.020 you're not really developing any of them. You need to quit whatever they are, quit two of them

00:45:51.440 and go after one full hearted, wholeheartedly, probably stop teaching because that's only going

00:45:55.680 to get you so far. What you, what your gift is. Soren playgrounds or Soren equipment, pick one.

00:46:00.260 And so my dad's response to that was he broke up with her, which I think is hilarious.

00:46:05.240 I was like, well, he picked it. That's funny, man. I didn't expect it to go there.

00:46:09.060 So he broke up with her because she must be crazy. She turned out to be a quite successful

00:46:15.220 business person later in years. And she and pop still like, we're friends and talked and laughed

00:46:20.360 about it. You know, it's a couple of years later he stopped teaching. Then it was Soren playgrounds

00:46:26.300 and equipment. And then a couple of years after that, he went full on. I'd say he did that for

00:46:30.840 10, 12 years. Then I came along kind of as his assistant, uh, learned the ropes. And when I was

00:46:37.020 in high school, I was, you know, I was building equipment. I'd go in there and cut steel and weld

00:46:40.720 and do all the stuff. And then in 1999, I came on full time and I kind of hit it at a right spot.

00:46:47.440 I do think it was serendipitous or a blessing or something, another hand other than mine, because

00:46:54.440 I came into the business at a time where the industry was just recoiling or at least

00:47:00.520 swinging back from the machine era of the nautilus hammer strength kind of days of the

00:47:06.840 machines. It was swinging into what we now know as functional fitness, power production,

00:47:13.080 ground-based barbell. Like that was kind of coming back in vogue. The West side style lifting was just

00:47:19.740 coming in vogue or more so. And I just, I lucked out in many ways because I had just come off of a

00:47:26.480 five-year career as a successful thrower in a division one college that I didn't know, but I

00:47:33.320 inadvertently walked on to one of the best throws programs in the nation with one of the best strength

00:47:38.540 coaches in the nation, got extremely strong with an extremely talented group of people, was able to

00:47:45.460 travel around the country and learn from some of the best coaches in the nation just because that

00:47:50.680 was kind of what my job in college was at that point. And then, so I'm thrust out into the business

00:47:55.500 world with my finger really, really, really on the pulse. I hit it perfectly. And again, it had nothing

00:48:02.480 to do with me. It just happened to be, I was at the right place at the right time.

00:48:05.960 Hold on. We don't want to discount that because I think it's easy to say that, but at the same time,

00:48:10.460 you would put in the work, you would put in the effort because there's plenty of guys who had

00:48:14.440 opportunities in college to excel and yet they were dinking around at the party and doing everything

00:48:19.400 else they shouldn't have been when you were probably working out and getting strong and

00:48:23.500 getting the technique down. And then when an opportunity presented itself, yes, you were in

00:48:28.020 the right place at the right time because you had prepared yourself to be there.

00:48:30.760 Yeah, I will agree with that. I mean, I did my share of partying and goofing off, but also in the

00:48:36.220 summertime, I was saving my money and going to clinics and camps on my own dime, you know, with some of the

00:48:43.740 Russian, you know, the world record holder and the hammer that had never, you know, hadn't spoken

00:48:47.640 in America in years and who was under Bondarchuk. And as a 19 year old kid, giving my own money to

00:48:54.780 work with a guy for three, you know, three days in a row. And like, I was doing that a lot.

00:48:58.260 That's exactly what I'm talking about. There's so much going on behind the scenes. And so we just

00:49:03.280 don't want to discount that.

00:49:04.360 Well, I appreciate it. It really boiled down to, it wasn't that I saw it as a investment,

00:49:09.320 although it totally was. I saw it as how do I learn more and become a student of the event that

00:49:16.000 I so love so much that like, I enjoyed the hammer. I enjoyed the throws lifestyle and the human

00:49:21.500 performance lifestyle so much that it kind of took over my life, which is, I think what anyone,

00:49:28.300 that's what they call passion. And so I would stop at nothing to dig. And Matt Vince and I talk about,

00:49:35.200 you know, burn the gas, you could read all you want on the internet. And at that time,

00:49:38.900 the internet wasn't super big. You know, there was no YouTube, there was no, you know,

00:49:42.880 there's no social media. And sometimes to learn, you just got your ass in the truck and you drove

00:49:47.940 eight hours and you showed up a place and you stayed in a really crappy hotel and you scraped

00:49:53.000 together your money and you bought your thing to your clinic. And then you found the smartest guy

00:49:57.800 there or the best thrower, the strongest guy or whoever it was that was the dude or girl.

00:50:02.880 And you spent the rest of the money you had on beer to convince that person to sit there and

00:50:08.940 talk to you till two in the morning. So as long as you gave them beer, usually they do it. You

00:50:12.640 might have to buy a dinner too, but you invested in that time and you stayed up until you were super

00:50:16.920 tired. You ask every question you could possibly think of. And you tried to remember it all.

00:50:21.840 And you do that for like a couple of decades and you just keep going. You keep digging,

00:50:26.820 you keep digging, you keep digging. And you find out from their perspective, what they were

00:50:31.300 thinking. And then you ask them 10 years later, the same questions. Maybe the perspective has

00:50:35.700 changed because obviously the fighter in the ring thinks differently than the fighter that's 10 years

00:50:40.680 out. And you learn these things and then that's how you start building your ethos or your vision of

00:50:48.220 the human performance world or whatever your passion is. Little did I know, but I was basically

00:50:52.780 getting a doctorate in the industry that I was in. And so then it helped when it came to designing

00:50:59.920 equipment, I didn't fall for the BS that the rest of the industry was talking about.

00:51:04.680 And they were saying all this other stuff and I'm like, yeah, but I know the guys that are the best

00:51:09.880 ones in the world doing this thing. I got 15 Olympians in my phone right now. I'm training for the Olympic

00:51:16.220 trials myself. I know what works. You can't bullshit me. I was able to put that into the new era of

00:51:22.520 Soren X that, you know, I look back and go, gosh, had I been, had I gone through the same experience

00:51:28.140 12 years before in the Nautilus hammer strength era, maybe I would have come out into an industry

00:51:33.300 that wasn't ready for my knowledge basis, you know, and then kind of right on the heels of that

00:51:37.920 came CrossFit. Well, everyone starts learning how to do cleans and snatches and stuff. And I kind of

00:51:42.340 joked, I said, you know, I haven't PR'd in the snatch or the clean since before CrossFit.

00:51:47.360 People are like, well, you suck. You haven't like, you haven't lifted heavy in a really long time.

00:51:50.860 But no, it's just, it's just a point that like, I was still 27, you know, at that time,

00:51:55.900 like I was training for the Olympic trials. I was pretty strong, whatever. But that's where my

00:51:59.900 passion and my goal was, you know, I kind of laugh. I said, shit, my, I don't think my lifetime best

00:52:04.280 in the hammers on YouTube. Well, cause YouTube wasn't around then. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You weren't

00:52:08.840 there for that. Or it wasn't there for you, I guess. Right. It wasn't there for us. Or I look and go,

00:52:13.260 gosh, you know, how much nicer would have been to be able to see, again, I was a hammer thrower. So

00:52:17.580 it's a really technical sport. And I was watching videos from 1986 on VHS and breaking my, my VHS

00:52:26.320 player with rewinding and slow mowing it a million times because there was no freeze frame and slowing

00:52:33.620 it down. Yeah. To go watch the last zillion throwers that have thrown over 80 meters. Like I had like one

00:52:39.520 video, one guy doing it. And you just sit there with all your buddies and go, okay, wait, look where his

00:52:43.960 right foot hits. Okay, cool. You see where his center of gravity is on his left, you know,

00:52:47.940 and you're just trying to figure it out. That's almost like a, an entry fee. If you're willing

00:52:53.520 to go that far, if you're willing to burn the gas, if you're willing to go and enter these meets and

00:52:58.200 contests and seminars and all this other stuff, it's almost kind of like bootcamp. If you're not

00:53:04.140 willing to do it, I don't think you deserve the spoils. It's the ticket to entry. Like you said,

00:53:08.880 right. You've got to be willing to go through that. And I think so many people look at it the other

00:53:13.200 side. And I'm sure you get this all the time. It's like, well, your dad started a business and

00:53:17.660 you're just riding his coattails. Right. And nobody wants to look at the reality of it.

00:53:22.480 Yeah. Cause it's been super easy for 38 years. We haven't gone bankrupt a couple of times at all.

00:53:28.400 You know, dad didn't have to sell his house to fund a job like that never happened. You know,

00:53:32.900 there was, we were having to catch fish out of the lake and kill deer to eat. Like, you know,

00:53:37.400 all that, you know, they don't, they don't see that or they refuse to look at that.

00:53:42.020 Yeah. It's not as sexy.

00:53:43.660 It excuses their lack of performance. I mean, that's what it is. It's like,

00:53:47.420 if it has to be hard, then they don't have an excuse for their own poor performance.

00:53:52.340 Right. Yeah. I mean, my dad went without a salary. He had prostate cancer and a lot of

00:53:57.840 things happened in the business during that time. He gave me the majority of his life savings. It

00:54:02.840 wasn't a lot to keep the business going and went without a salary for almost a year after coming off of,

00:54:09.800 you know, surgery. And, you know, I'm not trying to make this dramatic or like a poor woe is me,

00:54:15.600 but at 27, 28 years old, you know, I'm still staring down the barrel of a lot of money in my

00:54:22.800 opinion to that. I would hopefully going to pay dad back. And he looked at me, he said, Hey,

00:54:27.380 here's everything I have, keep the business going. And I trust that you could hopefully pay me back one

00:54:33.600 day. And that's a lot to take from your dad. When you're an only child, there's no other

00:54:38.180 necessarily way out, you know, your name's on the line and then you just go, okay, so I guess the next

00:54:43.400 couple of years are going to be really, really fricking hard. One day I'm going to be able to get my

00:54:48.900 dad back his life savings because he's been awesome enough to keep this thing afloat to not give it to

00:54:56.580 me, but incorporate me in this dream. So I got work to do and I'm not going to let my dad die a

00:55:03.580 pauper. How long ago was that, that, that, that arrangement took place? 2005. Oh, okay. So it's,

00:55:09.980 yeah, just about 10, a little over 10 years now. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, we were, you know,

00:55:14.980 very behind on bills and, and a number of, we'd lost one of our producers, our partner there,

00:55:21.380 number of things happened. They're just, you know, complete perfect storm. So I'm running Sorenax,

00:55:25.920 out of his kitchen on his dial-up service, you know, because we didn't have a building anymore.

00:55:34.580 And so I'm building the new building each night. So me and my friends that I could pay with firehouse

00:55:40.300 subs, we would go and literally do the work starting about five o'clock. We'd worked about

00:55:45.080 11, 12, one o'clock, whatever it was, just some friends of mine that lifted with me. I would train

00:55:49.320 them and feed them and then they would help me. And then during the day I was running Sorenax by myself

00:55:54.720 out of his kitchen. Cause that's the only place we had internet service for like a year. We still

00:56:00.660 put in big rooms. We still did a good job. We stayed in business. And years later, I finally

00:56:06.860 got him his life savings back. And he was then finally able to be paid back for almost a year

00:56:11.920 of no salary. And at that time too, you know, there were many months I wasn't taking a salary

00:56:16.660 either, you know? And again, I'm not trying to paint it as a woe is me, but I'm trying to paint

00:56:22.600 it as this is the shit that happens. And this is what happens in a family business, what happens

00:56:28.200 in a small business. And if you, if it doesn't happen that way, then you're way better at business

00:56:33.700 than I am, which I fully expect most people to be better at business than me because I'm not good

00:56:37.680 at it. But also you have to realize that that's just how it goes. Sometimes in life, should we

00:56:43.940 have let go? Yes. A million times the strength, the weakness, or the, the advantage or disadvantages

00:56:51.500 we named the company Sorenax. And they always say to never name something after your own name

00:56:57.900 because that you're too emotionally attached to it and you can't make the business decisions.

00:57:02.300 And that's true. Like in many cases, we made the emotional decision because, you know, or a prideful

00:57:06.860 decision or whatever it is because it's your name. But in the other parts of it is you fight like hell

00:57:11.660 because it's your name. Now, if we went out of business and weren't unable to maybe come through

00:57:18.480 on our obligations that a customer, you know, set us up with or whatever it may be or vendors or

00:57:24.640 whatever, now that's Bert and Richard Soren screwing that person and not holding up their obligations

00:57:31.920 and not being people of integrity and not holding their word. And that can't happen. That just can't

00:57:38.200 happen. So whatever has to happen in the meantime is what you do. And, you know, if your life sucks for

00:57:45.920 a couple of years, that's what you do. And, you know, I think back and when you, you ask what time,

00:57:50.720 when that was like, I only remember that, that that was that year because I knew right after the 2004

00:57:58.260 Olympic trials, my grandmother died. And then right after that, dad got cancer. So I knew it

00:58:03.320 was around 2005. But besides that, I've almost blacked out for a year or two of my life that I

00:58:10.080 don't really remember details. And I only remember them kind of because I've told the story a couple

00:58:14.940 of times. So I remember the firehouse subs. I remember some of my friends helped me do drywall

00:58:19.780 and flooring and hooking up wiring that I don't know anything about and working from like all that

00:58:25.620 crap. But really, besides that, it's almost been a bit of a and again, I don't want to use like a

00:58:31.800 PTSD like lightly or in a in a way that's offensive at all to our men and women of our service. But I

00:58:39.500 could understand under a lot of stress, how the mind either hangs on to it or just blocks things out.

00:58:47.880 And that's a time that was so stressful in my life, because of a number of things. Like I said,

00:58:53.000 my grandmother died, I was the executor of her will. So I had like a lot of things that a 27 year

00:58:57.360 old shouldn't have to deal with after coming off of, you know, my athletic career, retiring from

00:59:02.360 hammer throw, missing the Olympic team, like a lot of stuff. And mentally, I don't really remember

00:59:09.840 between 2005 and probably 2007. It's just one of those things.

00:59:13.520 That's crazy. Yeah. And you know, I don't think you painted as a woe is me. I think you've painted it

00:59:17.760 as a this is the reality. And I think that's what people need to hear. You know, we don't we don't hear

00:59:22.240 that enough. We don't see that enough. We see the highlight reel and how everything is wonderful

00:59:25.840 and everything works. And, and what it does, I think, is it creates a false sense of expectation.

00:59:30.580 So when people get into business, they're like, why am I not a millionaire? Why haven't I figured

00:59:35.560 it out? Why? It's like you, you, you guys have been at this game for four decades. So like,

00:59:41.400 give it some time, please. Yeah. And we've done every possible way you could screw it up. We've

00:59:48.340 screwed it up. Probably multiple times in the same, you know, I mean, yeah, you got to learn

00:59:54.000 it a couple of times, right? Yeah, exactly. Like I said, I'm not a great business person. I'm better

00:59:57.960 because if you do anything for that long, you better be better. I'm good at a few things.

01:00:02.440 And those things I think I do very well. And other stuff I'm pretty freaking horrible at.

01:00:06.860 What I've also learned from a seeker of the success is find the stuff that you're shitty at,

01:00:11.580 try to fix it. But if you're not, and even while you're trying to fix it,

01:00:15.840 find the guy who could really fix it and hire him. And maybe that sounds like a sissy way to do it.

01:00:21.300 You know, like, Oh, well, you should just get better at it. Well, I tried that. I'm not a numbers

01:00:28.620 guy. I'm not. And I'm really, really shitty at it. But I could hire a guy who is. And as long as he

01:00:35.500 could help me understand all of those things, I could then be utilized for the things that only I

01:00:40.700 could do. And the things that I do very well are, I understand training, I understand efficiency of

01:00:46.660 movement and how to build things. I have a good imagination. And I understand how to build a

01:00:52.620 culture. Those things, if I stay in my lane and understand those things and perpetuate those

01:00:58.600 things and help people at that level, we've been more successful because we've hired people

01:01:04.520 to do the other stuff. And when I try to do it all, or dad tried to do it all, we consistently failed.

01:01:12.500 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can see how powerful it is to hire the people and put the right people in

01:01:16.120 the right places. So it's absolutely terrifying. Usually you have, by the time you realize that

01:01:20.460 you have to do it, you're in a position where you don't have the money to do it.

01:01:23.440 Or you messed it up.

01:01:24.660 Yeah. Oh yeah.

01:01:25.320 You're like, I need somebody to fix it. Fix this.

01:01:27.540 Oh, 100. And we've been there too. Like I was very, you know, in a rough financial position.

01:01:33.320 And one of the first things that I had to do was give raises and hire. That makes no sense.

01:01:41.780 But that was the answer. Your closest source of revenue is the people that are already on board

01:01:47.940 and incentivize it for them. And then find the people who, who, you know, your pros, your hitters,

01:01:55.340 you bring them in, you know, and it might cost you and you might almost die doing it. But guess what?

01:02:00.860 If you don't, you're just going to die slower.

01:02:04.020 Well, Hey Bert, this has been fascinating, man. We're, we are, we are bumping against time.

01:02:08.720 But you know what? As I'm listening to it, I'm like, dude, we got to do this again.

01:02:12.800 That's cool. Yeah. Sorry. I kind of got off on a tangent. I got me all.

01:02:16.400 No, no. Don't feel sorry. Cause I think all of this stuff is really,

01:02:19.380 really important for guys to hear. And I'm just thinking, man, we need to schedule round two of this

01:02:22.940 thing.

01:02:23.540 Let's do it.

01:02:24.020 Let's find a time to do that. Cause I want to talk more about culture. I want to talk about

01:02:28.000 vision. I want to talk about a lot of different stuff. I want to come see your man cave. I want

01:02:32.880 to talk about being legendary, like everything that, that we kind of hit on. I want to talk about

01:02:37.160 this stuff more.

01:02:38.420 Absolutely. I'd love to.

01:02:40.260 But as we wind down today, I do want to ask you a couple additional questions. Um, number one is

01:02:45.600 what does it mean to be a man?

01:02:47.780 I think it comes down to being a man of your word and making the tough decisions and holding to them.

01:02:52.840 And that's the hardest thing. Hold fast.

01:02:55.640 Well said, man. Well said. How do we connect with you and learn more about, uh,

01:02:58.340 Sorenex and everything else you guys have going on?

01:03:00.100 Uh, you can check us out. Sorenex.com. You can check us on IG. Uh, we have IG TV as well.

01:03:05.720 We're doing a little bit of longer videos. I'm Bert Soren, B E R T S O R I N on Insta.

01:03:11.760 Facebook is relatively active, but Insta is kind of the thing. I haven't been to Twitter in a while.

01:03:17.140 So IG is pretty much the way to hit me there. You could reach me if you hit, you know,

01:03:21.340 info at Sorenex. It'll, it'll eventually get to me as well.

01:03:24.360 Right on. We will link all that up so the guys can, can find that man. I appreciate you. I

01:03:28.620 appreciate getting to know you and having this conversation and I'm serious about round two.

01:03:32.360 So let's get on the horn and figure out when to do it. And, uh, and we'll make it happen.

01:03:36.280 Thanks a lot, Ryan. I really appreciate everything you guys doing. It was a, it was a honor to be here.

01:03:41.960 Gentlemen, there it is. My conversation with Bert Soren, such a powerful, powerful conversation

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Order of Man - July 31, 2018

176： Be Legendary ｜ Bert Sorin

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