ADAM CAROLLA ｜ Truth Yeller
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Summary
The truth is something that many people aren t interested in hearing these days. Increasingly, we let how we feel about current events become the primary factor for our responses to them. But there are a handful of vocal individuals fighting back and sharing the truth in spite of how it may hurt some people s feelings and even threaten their dangerous ideologies. My guest today is one of those individuals, comedian Adam Carolla.
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The truth is something a lot of people really aren't interested in hearing these days.
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Increasingly, we've let how we feel about current events become the primary factor for our responses
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to them. But there are a handful of vocal individuals fighting back and sharing the
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truth in spite of how it may hurt some people's feelings and even threaten their dangerous
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ideologies. My guest today is one of those individuals. His name is Adam Carolla.
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And I know a lot of you are already familiar with the great work he's doing in comedy and
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podcasting. Today, Adam and I talk about the attack on comedy that is so prevalent, what he refers to
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as quote chick think, why not all opinions carry the same weight and how to get over what other
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people think of us. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears and
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boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who
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you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done, you can
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call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm your host and
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the founder of the order of man podcast and movement. Welcome here guys. It's pretty incredible
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to see the growth that we've experienced over the past. Well, since we started podcasting almost
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seven years ago, but really over the past six months, things have really started to take off.
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And I hope that's because we are increasingly doing a good job. We're getting good guests on
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the podcast. We're sharing information that's prevalent and important to you. And that's really
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my goal is to give you information. That's going to serve you well. That's going to help you lead
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your family, help you be a leader in your community and live a more fulfilled responsibility
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driven life. So to that end, we do these podcasts interviews. I've got Adam Carolla on today,
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Brian Callen's coming up. And then the lineup of guys that we have in the very near future
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is incredible. We also have had Steve Rinella, Dave Ramsey, Jocko Willink, Andy Frisilla, Tim
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Kennedy, you name it. We've had them on this podcast. So I want to thank you for being
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Uh, outside of that guys, you might hear some banging and clanging around in the background.
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Uh, I've got some company over here doing some work in our attic. So we'll have to, we'll
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have a fight through that, but let me introduce you to my guest. His name is Adam Carolla.
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Uh, I was introduced to Adam, probably like many of you via the man show. I think that
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was when I was maybe a junior or senior in high school. And I've been listening to this
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guy ever since. Uh, he's a comedian. He's an extremely popular radio and podcast host.
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One of the OGs of podcasting actually. Uh, and he's got a new six part comedy special
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on the daily wire called truth yeller. Uh, what I appreciate about Adam is his willingness
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to call it like he sees it even at the risk of offending others. And frankly, the world
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needs more men just like him who are willing to share the truth, share what's on their mind,
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uh, and really put themselves out there. Enjoy guys. Mr. Adam Carolla. Good to be here in
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studio with you. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for inviting me. Thanks for hosting. I should
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say what an amazing studio. Well, thanks. I built most of it myself. I, uh, I'm in the
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process of building out my studio right now, which happens to be a guest bedroom in, in
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our house. Yeah. There's a lot of that, but you know, you can't tell from looking, you
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know, at the screen where you are anymore. It's all about sort of lighting and textures
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and positioning of cameras and all that. I did Andy Cohen show million years ago. Um, you
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know, Bravo, I don't know, 10th floor of the building in New York literally walked into
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essentially a medium sized closet and did the show, you know, I was surprised, but
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it's like not anymore. I mean, you just really just need a footprint of, you know, eight
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foot by eight foot and do the cameras, do the lights. Yeah. It's, it's the barrier to
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entry for a podcast or a business or whatever. I don't think it's ever been lower than it
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is right now. Like I think about your career with radio and what's been possible just over
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the past three to four years, even 10 years or so with podcasting, how that's completely
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changed over decades of, of doing this. Yeah. It's, um, it's like everything, you know,
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it evolves. It just evolves a lot faster because of the computer, you know, and I think it's
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no different than your cell phone, you know, in terms of just the chip has pushed everything
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along at this sort of breakneck speed, whereas analog can only move so fast, you know, there's
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a lot of mechanics and moving parts and things like that. You know, an automobile can only
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progress at such a speed because everything is mechanical. And when it gets into the realm
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of the digital, then there's no speed limit anymore.
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Well, you know, the beautiful thing is now we're going to have the metaverse or whatever.
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And so things are going to be moving at hyperspeed. You won't even need to leave or interact with
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other people or any of this kind of nonsense. Yeah, I know. I still kind of miss that part
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though. Yeah. Or I think I will. I think that's right. It's, it's, it's strange times. And I
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wonder what we're trading when we move so fast and try to get everything done, which seems right,
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you know, especially as a business owner, an entrepreneur, somebody who wants to make their
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mark in the world. It seems right that you try to be as efficient as possible, but I think there's
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a trade-off and, and we lose a lot of that personal connectivity and connections with other
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people. Well, there's always a trade-off, you know, nothing is ever free. You know, there's no
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free lunches in nature. You know, it's just, you want to move forward in one department.
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Um, you will, but there will be unseen consequences and, you know, we've looked no further than COVID,
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you know, tell all the kids to stay home and mask up. And that seems good, but now a lot of kids are
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depressed and there's a lot of drug use and a lot of obesity and a lot of, so there's always a bunch
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of other stuff that you're not seeing when you're saying, let's do X, Y, and Z in real time.
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Do you think that with, uh, with COVID, obviously I think it started with good intentions. You know,
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I had 15 days to slow the spread, right? I kind of feel like at this point, everybody knows that
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they've taken it too far and don't know how to backpedal out of it or don't want to admit they
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were wrong or don't know how to wind the thing down. So instead of just taking common sense approaches,
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it seems like let's just double down and hope nobody notices. Yeah. There's, it's absolutely
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exactly what's going on. It's, it's every facet of our new society. Now, a lot of it, speaking of,
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uh, your podcast, a lot of it, I always think of as chick think versus dude think. Okay. How so?
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And, and to be clear, there's a lot of dudes that are chicks. I mean, you know, our mayor of Los
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Angeles Garcetti, he's full blown chick and, um, Gavin Newsom's a chick. It's chick or indoctrinated
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and sort of chick think. Chick think is, you know, the mayor of Oakland found some hoops hanging from
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trees at a park, uh, decided it was a hate crime, uh, was explained to her that a black man put the
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hoops up to exercise at the park. Just didn't compute. She got that information and then announced,
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uh, she was still going to move ahead with the investigation. That's, that's chick think.
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That's the, uh, that's the Bubba Wallace thing too. Right. With the quote unquote noose in the
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garage that everybody knew immediately was not the case. Right. 16 FBI agents required to figure it
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out or whatever it was. Yes. Right. So that's where we're at. So with chick think then,
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are you saying that's more, what, what, what would you say? Feelings based? Yeah. It's just a little
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more emotionally driven, a little more feelings based. And it's like, I feel like there was a hate
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crime here. And it's like, well, there wasn't. Well, that hasn't changed the way I feel. You know
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what I mean? Cause it's feeling based. Sure. So we started talking about like in my heart, I know in my
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heart, none of the guys you worked with in the military talked about in their heart. None of the guys
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that were construction with talked about the feelings or in their heart or their truth,
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your, their truth, your truth, our truth. That's very, that's very, uh, slippery slope stuff right
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there. It really is. There's just the truth. There is no room for your truth. Well, I mean,
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there is room for your perception or your, your opinion. Wouldn't you say there's room for everyone's
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opinion, but then everyone's opinion needs to change once information comes out. That's the
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problem. You, you can say, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of a skeptic. So you tell me there's a bunch of, uh,
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hoops hanging on trees in a, in a park in Oakland. My first question is what do you mean hoop? Not,
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not everything. You know, I tied my shoes this morning. I don't have double nooses on my fucking
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feet. It's like not everything that turns and connects and becomes a hoop is a noose.
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So first things first, like, what is it? You know, Bubba Wallace is, is that a,
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is that a hand grab or is that a noose? Does it function? Is it a noose is a noose, right?
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It's a legit knot that is used for a very specific function. I'm not skilled enough to tie a noose,
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but I could tie a circle that you could grab and pull a garage door down with sure. Or hang from
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for, you're trying to get exercise in a tree. So first things first, I want to know what this is.
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And then the next thing is, is why would there be nine of them sequentially on a branch in a tree?
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What, what is the symbolism? People hang a noose in the courtyard of the, whatever the,
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you know, black studies quad on the campus to send a message. I don't hang. I also can think
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back to every park I've taken my kid that had essentially a hoop hanging sequentially on the,
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yeah. So first I need, I need information. And then if I find out, I, I will then be ahead of
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the game because I'll have this information and I'll declare it probably, uh, nothing,
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but you may still go down this route until we talk to the guy who tied the noose, who's a black
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man who's trying to get exercise. And then you must stop. Right. You can't continue on,
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but we've decided to continue on. Well, and I also think there's this misconception that all
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opinions are equal or hold the same weight. And, and, and I think that might come a little bit from,
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you know, our, our, our first amendment, you know, our speech rights where everybody's entitled to
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their opinion. Sure. Yeah. I agree. But it doesn't mean that it, that yours is better than
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another person's automatically just because you have the right to express it. Some are wrong. I
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had a guy not too long ago. Tell me, uh, I was criticizing online somebody's opinion about
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something. I can't even remember what it was. And he said, well, you know, it's an opinion. How can it
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be wrong? Only facts can be right or wrong. I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Opinions can
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definitely be wrong. And some are worth more than others. Oh yeah. It's a new era we've entered.
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It's not a good era. And it is, how can my opinion be wrong? Because it's right to me,
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very dangerous stuff. And, uh, my feelings, you know, this is the way I feel. This is my truth.
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It's, it's all nonsense. It should have been tamped down immediately. I tamped it. I was,
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I was always dismissive of it. How do you tamp it down now though? Now it's become so rampant.
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It's become so prevalent. You know, everybody's got their, my truth going on. Um, if, if somebody's
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outraged, my son the other day did something he shouldn't have done. And he said, I didn't mean
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to. And I said, well, it doesn't matter what you intended or what you meant to like, here was the
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result it produced. Um, but I don't, but I don't think too many people are willing to look at that
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and it's only become more prevalent in society. Yeah. It's just gonna, you're not going to talk the
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people who have that out of it. Right. They're, they're just going to, here's what's going to
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happen. A small group of those people will flourish pushing the, that narrative and the
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general body will languish. So it's sort of like the black community has a large group of people that
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are languishing and then a small group of race hustlers that are cashing checks. That's how
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that'll work. And so you're saying the larger group of individuals will at some point, once they
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become so forgotten or, or even victimized to a degree, we'll then tamp that down and rise up
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against that nonsense. No, I don't, I don't necessarily see a lot of evidence that they
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will. Yeah. Um, some will sort of abandon their truth narrative and get gainfully employed, but
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most will stay with it for a long time. I think there's this really interesting thing in society
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specifically within your field of, uh, going after comedians and just comedy in general, because
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you, it seems to me have always been almost a last line of defense because society generally has
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given you permission to say things that the, the rest of us can't acceptably say. Right.
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Yeah. I, I, I'd say so there, you know, I've said once they get to the comedians, they've got to
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everybody. Yeah. The comedians are sort of last, but they started getting to the comedians and that
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means they've run through society. They've gotten to the school teachers and the politicians and the
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captains of industry that they got to everybody. Comedians are last, but they got to a lot of
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comedians. How, how has that changed your, the way that you present your standup comedy? You know,
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I've been watching, um, truth yellers, which is amazing. I love the episodes. Um, and so how has that
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changed your, your comedy over the past several decades or has it at all? Well, I don't know. You
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watch truth yeller, so you can tell me. Oh, it's good. I mean, and, and I love it. We know you hear
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things and you're like, yeah, that's offensive. Not to me personally, but I could see how other people
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would be offended. And that to me is the point. Like it gets people to stretch beyond their comfort
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zone. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of it is we've gotten away from the tactile agrarian sort of part
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industrial kind of part of our society and maybe circling back to their initial conversation. We're
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in some sort of digital cubicle realm where people are like sitting, staring at screens and, you know,
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alone with their thoughts too much. And they're, you know, if your brain is a little feeble and you
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give it way too much downtime, it'll start attacking itself essentially. And that's the period we're in
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the guys who work with their hands, the people like on their feet all day, the people that are
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driving trucks and sort of working, you know, building, constructing, manufacturing, military guys
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that, that sports, you know, guys that are involved with repetition and practice and stuff like that.
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They're really, they don't really fall prey to this kind of stuff. It's, it's this larger group of
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people that are sort of hanging around, staring at their phone who buy into this stuff. My feeling is,
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uh, I'm not interested in your feelings. It has nothing to do with me that those are your feelings.
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I say what I say, I do what I do. Um, and then you can participate, agree, disagree that that's,
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that's up to you. Right. It has nothing to do with me. I legitimately have a feeling I, I'm,
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I want to share it with people and then get paid. That's my job. You can listen or not listen or agree
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or disagree. I, I'm not that, that part of the, I'm done with the equation. I am supposed to have
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a thought, construct that into some version of something that's funny. Try to kind of wordsmith
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it a little bit, massage it a little bit, make a point. Hopefully it's a point where people go,
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oh yeah, I never thought of that. Uh, and then maybe laugh. And then, then my part of the process
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is done. So I'm essentially, I'm a guy who just drops off your fake Christmas tree in a box on
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your porch. And then I leave. If you want to pull it out of the box and stab your wife with it,
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uh, I'm not happy about that, but I'm not responsible for it. I'm not concerned with it. It's not part of my
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job, but where does it come into play when you're, you're performing? Let's say, I mean,
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clearly you do care about the way that people respond, right? Like I've heard you, I've heard
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you share jokes that landed and I've heard you share jokes that haven't. And I imagine without
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knowing much about you, that you go back to the drawing board with the ones that don't and rework
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that joke, or maybe even scrap it all together because you care about the way people respond to it.
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Yeah. I usually look at it is, or the way I look at things that don't land is I had an idea and the
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idea is like a presentation that I might be giving in a business setting. And it's like, I, you know,
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we're, we're, we're, we're taking three design engineering architecture, um, bids on building
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this bridge, you know, and I, I go, Oh, okay. Let me think of the best design for this bridge.
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And then I construct it, you know, in 3d or piece of paper in my head or whatever it is. And then I go
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out and I pitch the company, my design for a bridge. And if they don't like it, I normally don't say
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there's something wrong with my design. I think there's something wrong with my pitch.
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I didn't do a good enough job conveying what this bridge was. And normally when I think of something
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that's funny or interesting or should get a laugh, I'm pretty right about it. But if it doesn't land,
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it's because I didn't execute the delivery of it. Not because the idea wasn't there.
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How do you know what to work on? I mean, obviously there's timing and there's cadence and
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there's, you know, there's so many different variables about what works and what doesn't.
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How do you know what to focus on? Is it just years of experience?
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Yeah. I think that's where the 10,000 hours just sort of comes in. I mean, there's a rhythm and a
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cadence and this thing. Sometimes it's the beginning. Sometimes you didn't set it up properly
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and they don't, they're not on board when the punchline comes because you didn't set the table
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right. You didn't describe what was oftentimes it's that oftentimes you didn't take your time
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Interesting. Yeah. There's so much to it. Yeah. I want to go back to what you were saying earlier
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about how people have become so consumed with their phones, uh, and the way that they're thinking.
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But the other thing I've seen too, is this level of, of just self-absorption, like the entire world
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revolves around me. And so if I'm offended at something that you said, for example, well,
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you must've been personally attacking me because who else could you possibly be talking to?
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Yeah. Yeah. I am rarely talking to one person or anybody talking, you know? And, uh, there's a lot
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of that. It's, it's, I, I've been saying for 10 years, all roads lead to narcissism. This is just
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flat out narcissism. We're wired for narcissism. Society kind of tamps that down, keeps it in check.
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You know, we, we've decided it's not a good trait. It's, it's within us all, but as a society,
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we've decided to try to keep it at bay as much as we can. It resides in everyone. You know what I
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mean? Everybody's well, self-preservation. I think it's human nature to want to care about yourself,
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right? Yeah. I'm not talking about caring about yourself. I'm talking about
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the impulse of, let's just say you're a young man or a young woman and you're at some party
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and somebody is saying, I was skiing, I was snowboarding last weekend and I broke my leg
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and I broke it in two places and, um, they had to airlift. It was, it was, it was so painful
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and stuff. And now everybody in that circle that this person is talking to is thinking,
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I broke my shoulder once when I was playing semi-pro football. It was brutal, right? Everyone
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is competing. Look no further than a dog dying. Anytime you tell someone your dog died, I had to
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take my dog. I lost my, you know, then they go into their dog, right? Sure. Right. It's,
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it's a kind of narcissistic thing that needs to be when you're 19, you jump in like, Oh,
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I broke my leg even worse, you know? But when you get a little bit older, you go, just let
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her, let him or her tell her story about the pain they were in. I don't need to trump their
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pain with the time I separated my shoulder in, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it's just,
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it's kind of in us and it needs to, well, now it's just out. You know what I mean? As a person
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of this as a gay and lesbian, that as a person, as a victim of abuse or the survivor of it,
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it's just, it's all, it's all there. We're all just at a party and we're, we're doing either
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two things. We're either saying, um, I broke my leg in three places or if that's not true
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and it's not, some people are just rich white heterosexual dudes. It's like they never had
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a skiing accident. They had a pretty good life. Then they got to jump in too. And they
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go, I was skiing a couple of weeks back and I came upon a person of color who broke their
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leg and I nursed them back to, Oh, okay, Mr. Narcissum. Now you're right. You didn't do
00:24:44.740
any, nothing happened to you, but you're a, you're a champion for people who fell on the
00:24:51.460
Well, I think there's a, I think there's currency with it, right?
00:24:54.000
Yeah. Well, yeah, they're trying to get something.
00:24:55.740
Well, there, I don't think there was as much currency, let's say 200 years ago, unless,
00:25:01.640
you know, you were ultra wealthy or, or some sort of royalty because you had to operate
00:25:08.060
with other people. So you had to sacrifice for the group. Otherwise you could potentially
00:25:13.620
be ostracized and quite literally run risk of being dead. Right.
00:25:18.880
And now there's no, there's no risk associated with being a loner or a lone wolf. And so now
00:25:25.860
you, the currency is, well, I can get attention. I'm not going to get ostracized. If anything,
00:25:30.960
I'm going to get more clicks and more likes and more follows and more notoriety or attention
00:25:40.980
And that's the real underlying problem for what's been happening in our society.
00:25:47.380
How do you, how do you deal with that? How do you try to strip some of that away?
00:25:54.100
Well, it's going to force people, maybe people like yourself to sort of hive off those, you know,
00:26:08.880
people and to create your own community, so to speak. So it could physically be a move. You know,
00:26:19.760
I've lived in California my whole life, but it's like, I'm thinking about going to Texas or Florida
00:26:23.720
because I don't want to be around so much of this, you know? So you could physically move
00:26:31.200
and then you're going to end up sort of associating with and surrounding yourself with people who are
00:26:37.100
like-minded and then you will tend to thrive because the victim people and the narcissists,
00:26:44.920
they're not really thrivers. That's, you can't thrive as a, as a victim. You languish as a victim.
00:26:50.640
And so it's just going to create a bigger sort of chasm between, you know, the haves and the
00:26:57.360
have-nots or the people that are, that are thriving and the people that aren't. And that's what we're
00:27:03.820
seeing now. I mean, what we're seeing is like ultra thriving with a lot of people, like real
00:27:12.240
people from, you know, every facet of life. Right. You know what I mean? They're hyperbaric
00:27:18.840
chambers in their workout rooms and, you know, they have, they're doing saunas and cold dunks and
00:27:25.160
they're on, you know, million different therapies. The things that we have to fabricate are hilarious.
00:27:30.780
A thousand years ago, we didn't have to fabricate being cold and now we need to fabricate being cold.
00:27:35.840
Yeah. We're there. There's some ultimate thrivers. And then you have all the people living
00:27:40.720
under the freeway overpasses. And you just take a look at California. You have
00:27:44.860
houses in Malibu that are a hundred million dollars. Right. And then you have people
00:27:50.560
flopping on the sidewalk. What, what, what bigger chasm could there be? You know, when I grew up in
00:27:57.500
California, there were, weren't any homeless people and there weren't any hundred million dollar
00:28:02.380
houses. There was rich guys and poor guys, but there wasn't this huge, no one was a billionaire.
00:28:08.240
There was this guy should, you know, they had a Mercedes or something, you know what I mean?
00:28:12.700
I mean, even the term of million dollars, you know, when I was a kid, I thought now I think
00:28:17.440
you're going to need a lot more than a million dollars if you want to have any sort of standard
00:28:21.340
of life. I mean, it's just, it's not what it used to be. That's for sure.
00:28:24.640
Yeah. And so it's just going to create a bigger and bigger chasm. And then, you know, politicians
00:28:32.020
are always talking about the middle class, but they're not going to, you're not going to get
00:28:35.940
that back through. I mean, there's techniques to get it back, but it's just like lower taxes,
00:28:43.800
lower regulation, get everyone the fuck back to work and we can take a shot at it.
00:28:48.080
Man, let me hit the pause on the conversation very quickly. I know a lot of you guys as fathers
00:28:54.160
are very interested in creating a rite of passage for your son. In fact, it's one of the most
00:28:59.860
frequently asked questions I receive is how do you do this? So what I decided to do is partner with my
00:29:04.800
good friend, Bedros Koulian and his team to bring a father-son event to Maine called the Squire
00:29:11.720
program. Now it's a 15 hour event. It's designed to push and test you and your son here on our
00:29:19.180
property in Maine. And I won't get into all the details. I want to keep some of it a surprise,
00:29:23.220
but I can tell you since my son and I actually attended the Squire program last year, that both
00:29:28.680
of you will be challenged in new ways and forge a tighter bond between, between yourselves. So if
00:29:35.180
you want to learn more, the date is May 28th of this year, and you can watch a video recap
00:29:40.880
at squireprogram.com slash Ryan, squireprogram.com slash Ryan, May 28th, father-son rite of passage.
00:29:50.980
Hope to see you here. All right, guys, back to the conversation with Adam.
00:29:55.500
Well, I think there's so much meddling and you hit on it, at least from my perspective is
00:30:00.160
get, get out of, get out of the way and the regulations and the taxation, let people get back
00:30:06.440
to work, let people feel pride about having meaningful work to be doing. And that's what,
00:30:11.840
that's what improves the middle class, but everybody wants to be part of the solution.
00:30:15.380
And I don't think some do, but I don't think a lot of them realize, no, you're, you're the problem.
00:30:20.460
You're, you're, you're not creating solutions. You're creating additional problems with people
00:30:24.320
getting to work and feeling good about who they are.
00:30:27.600
Yeah. And there's been kind of a general attack on work itself. You know, always,
00:30:33.340
everyone's talking about college. Everyone needs to go to college and then they get their loans
00:30:37.180
forgiven and they need to, you know, get out of the oil pipeline building and get into coding and
00:30:44.280
stuff like that. Like people need to work. People need to leave the house. People need to get their
00:30:50.660
cuticles fucked up a little bit with oil and stuff like that. Like people are happier when they're
00:30:55.500
working. It's, it's true. I saw that. Um, and I can't remember exactly what the number was,
00:31:01.500
but college enrollment rates. And I'm sure this has something to do with COVID. I'm hoping it's
00:31:07.140
a continuing trend because really the amount of people that go to college just don't need to go
00:31:12.020
to college. Uh, and, and there are engineers and there's medical doctors and lawyers and, and those
00:31:17.580
sorts of individuals. Sure. Secondary training. Got it. Outside of that, go to work, go get to work.
00:31:24.640
You don't need to spend four years and a hundred thousand plus dollars for the opportunity or the
00:31:30.700
right to be able to go work somewhere. Yeah. No, I've, everybody I've, I've worked,
00:31:37.560
I've employed a lot of people. I've, I've worked with a lot of people. I, their college background's
00:31:43.220
really never been, it's always neither here nor there. It's always about, do they do their job?
00:31:47.700
You know, how do they work? Yeah. Not where they went. Well, my, you know, I, I talk with my mom
00:31:53.020
occasionally about this cause she's a proponent of college and she says, well, you know, it proves
00:31:57.600
that you can be committed to something. I'm like, well, a job would do that. You know, if you're at
00:32:01.320
a job for five years and you get a good reference and, or you've built a company in an organization
00:32:06.060
that, that proves the same thing. And now you've got infinitely greater and better experience over that
00:32:10.820
same period of time and money, not, not debt. It's stupid. People do that thing. It's the same
00:32:16.860
thing. If you, if you have kids and you see all the trash they're pushing out there, like
00:32:22.580
door, the Explorer, wow, wow, lovesy or some bullshit like that. And then you go, this is
00:32:27.400
fucking, this is, this is a vacuum of creativity. This is just fucking trash. And then someone
00:32:35.040
will go, well, they're, but, but they're, they're, they're learning the language. They're hearing
00:32:40.020
words. Like you don't think that we're, where the fuck did Abraham Lincoln learn to talk?
00:32:45.060
You know, you've got, you've talked to other people, you have an environment like as if
00:32:49.040
they wouldn't add same bullshit with college. You know what I mean? Like, well, you got
00:32:52.280
to learn, got to learn responsibility. There's a lot more responsibility in a job that starts
00:32:58.640
at 7am every day and a lot get fired from and a lot more interactions on a construction
00:33:05.380
site than there ever is in your, you know, your first class starting at noon. And it's a
00:33:11.380
Chicano studies expose. I mean, give me a fucking break.
00:33:15.860
Well, it's, it's, it's an easy argument because it's a false dichotomy. You got to learn.
00:33:20.400
Well, yeah, there are other, I deal with that a lot because my wife and I made the decision
00:33:25.000
several years ago. This was pre COVID to homeschool our children. And the big thing is, well, you
00:33:31.740
know, I want my kids to be socialized, right? Yeah, I got that. So you want them to be socialized
00:33:37.760
with little a-holes, little Timmy and Tommy at school who are being indoctrinated by the
00:33:42.720
teachers on some of this woke nonsense ideology. You want them to be socialized to that because
00:33:48.360
there are other ways that we socialize our children. They participate in sports. We also
00:33:53.500
have friends that we meet with and neighbors that we work with and communicate with, but
00:33:58.700
it's a false dichotomy that people paint because it's so easy. It's lazy.
00:34:01.960
I agree. And I went to high school and junior high and grade school with tons of people that
00:34:08.360
just turn out to be socially fucked up, drug addicts, losers, partial criminals. Like who
00:34:18.500
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny though. I'd say that that is the one that I get more often than not
00:34:23.880
on the homeschool issue is, is the, uh, the social. Oh. And the other one I get a lot is,
00:34:29.340
well, I want them to be introduced to new ideas. Yep. Agreed. But again, kids, children,
00:34:40.500
young children, especially are not capable of discerning what is right and what is wrong.
00:34:45.620
So they hear this, again, this, this woke ideological nonsense. They don't know their
00:34:51.980
brains are not developed to the point where they can actually differ or, or determine what's right
00:34:56.240
and what's wrong, what's good and what's bad. So they'll hear socialistic, communistic ideas and
00:35:00.580
think, well, teacher said, so must be right. They're incapable of defending their, their minds
00:35:07.400
Yeah. And you're going to find a lot more of that on college campuses and high schools and grade
00:35:14.040
schools because the teaching profession attracts those people that don't attract, doesn't attract
00:35:21.140
entrepreneurs. Right. Right. It attracts people that want to be taken care of. They're there. The
00:35:26.420
people that are attracted to teaching are saying, I'm willing to take some nominal amount of money
00:35:37.640
with some incremental payment bumps for the rest of my life for security. I'm not going to go out
00:35:46.640
there and hang my shingle and take a chance on opening my own business because the person that
00:35:52.100
says I'm an entrepreneur. Well, that person is saying, I'm going to bet on myself. I may, I may win.
00:35:59.140
I may lose. I may excel. I may fail, but I'm going to go out there and do it. Um, the teacher says,
00:36:05.380
I want $53,000 a year for, and in exchange, I want to know that I can't be fired, that I'm always going to
00:36:14.880
get paid, that I get three months off for summer, two weeks off for thing. And I will trade for that.
00:36:20.900
That is, is close to socialism as we can produce in this country. If you think about it, that is
00:36:28.920
essentially that system. When you have tenure and things like this, I can't be fired. Okay, fine.
00:36:35.500
So those people are going to have a sort of like-mindedness the same way. If you open a
00:36:44.420
college or if Mike Rowe opened a college, or if I opened a college, there would be a different
00:36:48.600
approach. We'd have different thoughts about it, right? They don't that it attracts them. Now,
00:36:55.000
in terms of indoctrinating the kids, you don't have to indoctrinate quote unquote. You just,
00:37:01.060
that's the way the wind is blowing on that campus. I've said it a million times. What if every teacher
00:37:08.880
just said, I'm vegetarian, but I don't, it's not part of my curriculum. Sure. And I don't push it
00:37:16.920
on the kids. It's going to have an influence, but I just happen to be vegan. And so are all my
00:37:21.640
colleagues. And so is 86% of the people on this campus. Then you go in there with your, you know,
00:37:28.640
beef dip, RB sandwich and sit down and see if you can get through lunch and see how that works.
00:37:35.500
Well, that's, yeah, you're going to, you're going to comply pretty quickly. You'll understand what
00:37:40.260
it will, what it'll take to thrive in that environment. And it's, it's not the, it's not
00:37:45.340
the beef dip from Philippe's. That sounds pretty delicious. I know. Yeah. So there you go.
00:37:53.560
That's exactly how it works. And you can accuse them of like, Hey, what's with your veganism?
00:37:58.680
They go, I didn't bring it up. Right. Yeah. You don't bring it up, but it'll come up.
00:38:03.120
Sure. Cause they'll come back from Thanksgiving and they'll be going to Thanksgiving and you'll
00:38:07.520
be explaining what you're going to eat. And then one teach, one guy's going to go, I want to,
00:38:12.640
I'm having turducken. And you go, we don't choose that at our home. And now you'll know,
00:38:17.680
Oh, okay. I have to please this person's in charge of my grades. Right. I can't piss them off.
00:38:23.520
And that's how, what, why, how else did we get to where we're at?
00:38:27.880
Well, and one thing you also see, and, and I think it was Ben Shapiro who said,
00:38:32.240
who said this, or at least introduced me to this concept. He's talking about how
00:38:35.700
at a, a family dinner function or, or a block party, you know, a family member, let's say
00:38:42.040
a, a, um, a brother comes over and says, well, you know, I don't eat meat anymore. I'm a vegetarian.
00:38:48.220
And so rather than, you know, make him bring his own food or you can eat the, the, the vegetable
00:38:53.540
platter that somebody else brought. Mom's like, well, okay, we, we won't cook steak then because
00:38:59.060
since Tommy is a vegetarian and we don't want to ruffle any feathers. And then all of a sudden
00:39:03.840
10 or 20 people are changed. Their behavior has changed because one person can't or won't.
00:39:10.540
Yeah. It's exactly what it is. Have you always had this, um, you talk about the entrepreneurial
00:39:15.940
spirit. Has that always been something that you personally had? I know you've had other
00:39:20.620
jobs and things like that where you've, you know, worked as an employee, but.
00:39:25.160
No, I was never really wired that way. I didn't come from any of that. As far as my family went,
00:39:32.400
we didn't have any, we're probably as un-entrepreneurial as, as a family can get.
00:39:38.720
Um, I never saw it. I never really knew what it was. And, uh, wasn't something that, that
00:39:45.160
I grew up with or knew, or I didn't know people had it and just wasn't part of my, my world
00:39:53.360
Is that something then that evolved over time or were you even not that aware or conscious
00:40:00.460
I didn't, I never really looked at myself as a, as an entrepreneur. I just looked at myself
00:40:05.960
as somebody who wanted to do something, wanted some autonomy. It became, you know, apparent
00:40:16.980
to me, maybe earlier than many that if you're a guy wanted to say what you want to say and
00:40:24.980
think what you want to think and speak how you want to speak that, that you needed to build
00:40:31.240
yourself, you know, your own kind of environment platform business. It wasn't going to work.
00:40:37.960
You know, I, I, someone like me wasn't really going to work in the system where I relied on
00:40:43.740
the system to give me work or to invite my films into their film festivals or, you know,
00:40:49.200
whatever, any of that stuff. I, I, I kind of knew early on that was not really going to
00:40:54.160
be my path. So I just did it as a sense of self preservation. Yeah. Really? I've, I've had people
00:41:01.580
in, in the not too distant past ask if I want to go work with them or whatever. And I just kind
00:41:07.320
of chuckled. I'm like, you trust me, you do not want me to work with you because I will be the
00:41:12.120
biggest pain in your ass. I will undermine you at every turn. I will recreate every single wheel
00:41:17.960
and I will not be fun to work with. I'm just, it's, I think it's very similar to what you're
00:41:23.000
saying is I feel like I'm unemployable at this point. Yeah. I mean, it's weird. I was a good
00:41:30.040
carpenter. I was eminently employable as a, as a carpenter, you know. Um, but as a comedian,
00:41:38.880
the number one, two, and three sort of edict as a comedian is I have to say what I want to say
00:41:46.880
when I want to say it. Sure. And, um, a lot of people say, don't do that. And I'm
00:41:52.980
like, that's pretty much the number one reason I'm doing it. That's my job. That's my, well,
00:41:59.180
it's my version of the job. Put it to you that way. What's a different version?
00:42:05.020
I would like to remain on this sitcom. That's prime time. Got it. Okay. ABC. Sure. So you
00:42:11.880
start appeasing people or organizations in order to maintain that, that job or that sitcom or whatever
00:42:18.640
it may be. Well, maybe you had some thoughts a year and a half ago about schools, not closing,
00:42:25.120
but you're on a popular sitcom on ABC. Got it. Would you like to share those thoughts?
00:42:31.040
Probably not. Okay. Maybe those thoughts were correct. What would you like to share those
00:42:37.160
thoughts? Right. So I did not want to be in a position where I couldn't share my thoughts.
00:42:42.340
And I realized in order to do that, I was probably going to have to build my own studio in a warehouse
00:42:52.320
that I own. I couldn't go onto the lot at Radford because at some point they would ask me to stop
00:42:58.580
showing up. Um, is that story that you told with, uh, Jay Leno about, uh, I know probably elements were
00:43:07.800
embellished, but where you met him because you were doing construction on a home across the street.
00:43:12.920
Is that, is that right? Yeah. There's no, there's no embellishing of elements with me,
00:43:19.460
at least to the best of my knowledge. Sure. I, I, memories fade and you know, I mean,
00:43:24.480
more of the delivery is what I'm like. You said earlier, the way you deliver the story is
00:43:28.640
obviously intentional. Jay had a, he, I think he was renting the house at the time. I don't know if
00:43:34.380
he owned it was way up. Uh, he could tell you the name of the street, but it was like
00:43:38.580
Woodrow Wilson, Hollywood Hills, kind of windy, you know, cul-de-sac-y kind of thing, I think.
00:43:45.740
And, uh, very tight, you know, windy, not a lot of places to park kind of thing. And then I was
00:43:52.340
remodeling. Uh, I wasn't doing, I was very young, but I was working with a guy named Tom Johnson. It
00:43:57.740
was remodeling the house across the street. I think they're on, you know, like pretty good terms
00:44:04.100
with Jay and his wife. And they even asked him if they could park their car, like in his driveway
00:44:11.140
to like make room for the truck and unloading the materials. And cause it was very tight,
00:44:16.620
windy Hollywood Hill street. And, uh, then there I worked, you know, um, basically she, you show up
00:44:23.500
at seven, you roll out or you're supposed to be rolled out by seven, you know, your cords and
00:44:28.140
materials, uh, tools. And, uh, then you work until about three 30 and then, then you're done,
00:44:35.460
you know? And I was, you know, like outside up on scaffolding, you know, and, and I would see
00:44:41.340
Jay, just like you would see any neighbor coming out of their house or going to work or whatever.
00:44:47.420
And I, I would see him come out and he would come out about noon, I think, you know, and I'd see him
00:44:54.180
walk out. It was directly across the street, walk down to the end of the driveway, like toward me,
00:45:00.240
pick up the newspaper or something and like walk back in. He could have been wearing a bathrobe.
00:45:05.240
It could have been sweatpants, you know, but he wasn't going anywhere. And he like went back in
00:45:09.100
the house. And then, um, at some point about two, he'd go out of the house again and go to the garage
00:45:18.860
and he'd just sit in his garage. He had his maybe Vincent motorcycles. I know he had a very old
00:45:24.960
motorcycle from probably 1920s teens that had the valve springs and a rocker arms or something on the
00:45:32.860
outside of the head. Very interesting. Very interesting. Wasn't that in, was out. And he'd be
00:45:40.420
in there, had like a Buick in the driveway, but some couple of vintage bikes in the garage and he'd just
00:45:46.900
be tinkering, you know? And so like, you know, I'd knock off work about three 30. He'd be out in the
00:45:54.280
garage, just literally across the street. And then I was just sort of, uh, I, I recognized him. I was
00:46:00.780
like, Oh, this guy's a comedian. He wasn't hosting the tonight show, but he's like, Oh, I've seen this
00:46:07.440
guy on Letterman or something. I've seen him. I could, you know, that thing with comedians or God,
00:46:11.800
I've seen that guy. I've seen that guy. And, uh, you know, it's just went over and kind of
00:46:16.480
introduced myself and, you know, told him I was thinking about comedy and, and, and I knew he was
00:46:22.940
doing comedy and he was surprised. He was surprised that I recognized him. Oh, really? Yeah. At that
00:46:29.880
point in his career, obviously, sure. Wasn't really any, he didn't, you know, he was doing spots on
00:46:36.000
late night shows, you know? And I, I told him I recognized him and, you know, I just said like,
00:46:42.440
yeah, kind of pull up a apple crate and help you out here or whatever. He's like, yeah, hand me that
00:46:47.100
wrench, you know, kind of thing. And he was going to talk about the bikes and Jay loves to talk about
00:46:52.140
the bike, the car, that this thing's, uh, I don't know, Amy, you can look it up. It's a, maybe a Vincent,
00:46:58.980
but I don't know. It's a motorcycle from the, probably the teens or the twenties that had the
00:47:05.060
valves on the outside. He's firing it up and I'm looking at the valves. I'm kind of a gearhead,
00:47:10.580
you know? And I, and, and I just, you know, I'd say, okay. And then like, I'd hang out for an hour,
00:47:17.820
you know? I didn't want to kind of bum rush a guy. Uh, and then like at some point I'd go,
00:47:24.520
all right, well, I'll see you tomorrow, you know? And I'd, I'd go home to my crappy apartment,
00:47:29.580
my crappy pickup truck. And I think, God, what a, what a schedule he's on, man. A comedy schedule.
00:47:35.460
I got to get on that schedule. Next day, the same thing would happen. I'd show up,
00:47:39.780
start spreading stucco on the outside of the house and I'd see him come out again,
00:47:44.060
you know, and wave to him, you know, and then I'd go, okay, come by after work. Yeah. I see
00:47:49.180
you after work, you know, come by and sit in his garage again. 1955, Vincent black Prince
00:47:56.220
are the valves on the outside. It was a 55. Is that it there? It kind of looks,
00:48:04.280
yeah, it does look like the bike. Oh, there it is. Picture old Leno though.
00:48:09.340
I don't think that might not be the bike. That's more of a cafe racer that he's being
00:48:13.220
pictured with, but yeah, you kind of have to find vids of the thing running to see if the valves were
00:48:19.260
on the outside. But that's what I remember. He has those bikes and he was tinkering and I like
00:48:25.580
helped him tinker. And then I would pick his brain about standup. That's pretty cool to see it. Like
00:48:31.540
to see how far it's come and where it started, but it also took some courage to be able to do like,
00:48:37.720
I don't think a lot of people would do that. Right. They may not go over and introduce themselves
00:48:40.820
or they may not, you know, make that, make that initial contact. But to think about where those
00:48:47.100
conversations at this point have led to is pretty incredible. Yeah. I mean, you know, years later,
00:48:53.100
I did the tonight show. It was kind of crazy, you know, I mean, multiple times, but the first time I
00:48:59.060
did, I remember talking to him in the driveway. Yeah. For me, like I wasn't, I'm not that aggressive of a
00:49:05.780
person. I just knew he, he had a context. He knew we were across the street working every day.
00:49:12.620
We'd wave at him or ask, we could park the car in the driveway or whatever. So there was like some
00:49:17.280
contact there. Sure. And he kind of knew who I was. It wasn't some guy walking around the
00:49:22.800
neighborhood. Right. And I knew, I knew enough about motors and engines and valve trains and stuff
00:49:29.260
like that, that I knew he, he, he would understand that I kind of understood what was going on with
00:49:34.220
the bike. And, and, and, and I was funny. Like I thought I'm not going to lay a comedy routine on
00:49:41.860
the guy, but I'll work in, you know, I'll work in a shot here and there just to let him, let him feel
00:49:47.660
me a little bit. And, uh, it kind of, you know, played out as it played out. But at some point we
00:49:53.700
finished a job and you know, that was about it. Yeah. Yeah. Where do you see things going now for
00:49:59.980
you? I mean, you've got so much going on. Uh, obviously you've got truth yellers, which,
00:50:03.880
which I've enjoyed the first couple of, uh, of additions of that. And then you've got no more
00:50:09.380
safe spaces, which came out. Was that, was that last year or the year before? Probably maybe a
00:50:14.640
couple of years, a couple of years. Yeah. Okay. Oh, that long. Okay. But where do you see yourself
00:50:18.460
going now? I mean, you've got so much going on. How do you decide what you're going to do and
00:50:22.040
where, where does it go from here? I just, I just get up and go to work and things sound
00:50:28.200
interesting. I do them and it's not, it's not much more to it than that. You're, you're,
00:50:33.300
you're Jay Leno like was then roll in, do what you want to do. Yeah. I do production. We have
00:50:40.340
documentaries and, and we're making some docs and making some projects and some specials and
00:50:46.640
things like that. I just, I'm just one foot in front of the other. Yeah. Well, I appreciate
00:50:51.820
your work. I appreciate what you do and your ability to get up there and, and, and share
00:50:56.440
your jokes, share your stories. Because as we started this conversation, I don't, I don't
00:51:02.060
think enough people are willing to do it. They're, they're, they're afraid. They don't
00:51:06.240
want to be ostracized from the group. They don't want to have to deal with the bullshit that
00:51:09.380
comes with potential cancel culture and all this kind of stuff. And I really just respect
00:51:14.520
and admire you for doing it because it paves the way for guys like me to be able to do the
00:51:17.900
same thing for ourselves. Well, I'll, I'll take it. I usually push back when someone gives
00:51:25.580
me a compliment, but fuck it. Thanks. You bet. Thanks, Adam. Appreciate you. All right,
00:51:32.120
you guys, there it is. My conversation with the one and only, again, one of the OGs of podcasting
00:51:38.060
and radio and television and comedy. I mean, this guy is unbelievable and it was a real honor
00:51:44.180
to be able to sit down with him. So I want to thank you for that actually, because you
00:51:47.320
listening to the podcast and being involved the way that you are in the community that
00:51:51.920
we've built is what's allowing me to have men of Adam's caliber on the podcast. So this
00:51:59.020
is not me providing all of this stuff. Like we're doing this together. And I really appreciate
00:52:04.840
the opportunities that you guys have afforded me in conversations like Adam. I hope you enjoyed
00:52:09.760
that conversation. Make sure to go check out what he's doing. Also there's the banging.
00:52:15.100
You heard it right here in the background. Again, I apologize. I've got to work through
00:52:18.500
it. But I do want you to go check out his truth yeller series comedy special on the daily
00:52:24.020
wire and make sure you connect with him and me on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, get her
00:52:30.120
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00:52:50.880
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