Order of Man - ANDY FRISELLA ｜ Get Better Until You Die

00:00:00.000 As men, we all look around and see the problems that exist in society. How could you not really?

00:00:05.820 But very few of us are actually willing to objectively look at what's going on in our

00:00:10.600 culture relative to the lessons we should have learned from examples throughout history.

00:00:16.320 You know, if you couple that with our inability or even lack of desire to improve our own

00:00:21.620 situations and circumstances, it makes a recipe for disaster. My guest today is my close personal

00:00:28.720 friend, Andy Frisilla. And today we talk about his shift away from the MFCEO podcast to the Real AF

00:00:35.280 podcast, why we need to be cognizant of convenience versus efficiency, learning to push the envelope,

00:00:43.360 the obligation to evolve and how you can adopt the quote unquote, get better until you die mentality.

00:00:50.520 You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest, embrace your fears and boldly charge

00:00:55.220 your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time. Every time you are not

00:01:01.060 easily deterred, defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are.

00:01:08.220 This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,

00:01:12.960 you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Mickler. I'm the

00:01:18.460 host and the founder of the Order of Man podcast and movement. And at least in my mind, this is a

00:01:23.820 movement that is much needed. One of the most important movements in society today, because if

00:01:29.740 you look around, you can see the ineptness of our elected officials, of those individuals who are

00:01:38.520 teaching our children, even fathers and mothers who are completely abdicating their responsibility to

00:01:45.380 their young children. And it's creating some very real problems that I think we're just beginning to

00:01:53.640 see right now. You couple that with the rise of fatherless homes. And again, the lack of leadership

00:01:58.900 in the country and even at our state and city level, we've got to work out for us. And that's

00:02:05.040 my goal in this podcast. I want to give you tools, resources, guidance, direction, equipment,

00:02:08.940 conversations, whatever you need to be able to make yourself a more capable father, husband,

00:02:15.580 business owner, community leader. So we can oust these rats and these scumbags who are completely

00:02:21.920 tearing apart, dismantling and decimating the American way of life and replace that with men

00:02:29.380 who are bold and courageous and principled and assertive and have the ability and know-how and

00:02:37.320 capability to lead people in the direction that we need them to go. So to that end, guys, do me a solid

00:02:46.060 right now. If you're on Instagram, if you're on Twitter, if you're on Facebook, if you're on

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00:02:57.460 you 60 seconds. And if you want to take it a step further, and I would encourage you do because I'm

00:03:01.660 not spamming you with a bunch of bull crap about lucky underwear and the best mattress you should wear

00:03:07.360 and the best business software you should use and all this kind of stuff. All I ask in return is you

00:03:13.260 follow and you take a screenshot right now and share this episode with another man who needs to

00:03:19.660 get into the mission to reclaim and restore masculinity. That's it. It's simple. It's easy.

00:03:24.800 And you're getting something out of this. I hope you listen. So just reciprocate by sharing what we're

00:03:31.960 doing here because the world needs it. All right, guys, we're going to get into it with my good friend

00:03:37.120 and somebody, a lot of you guys know Andy for Silla before we do, let me just mention to you really

00:03:41.920 quickly that we've got our legacy event coming up. That's a father son event coming up September

00:03:46.300 22nd through the 25th, 2022. I'm going to talk about it more later, but if you have a son between

00:03:52.920 the ages of eight to 15 or a nephew or a stepson, adopted son, foster child, young man that you

00:03:58.620 mentor, go to order of man.com slash legacy, order of man.com slash legacy. Let me introduce you to

00:04:05.520 Andy. Uh, many of you know him from the MF CEO podcast, which he's since closed out to start the

00:04:11.660 real AF podcast where these guys, Sal and DJ and Andy, they address some of the most important and

00:04:18.100 pressing cultural commentary today. Uh, and he's also the founder of the incredibly successful

00:04:24.080 supplement company and movement first form and guys having visited their offices a handful of times.

00:04:30.200 It's an amazing office. I mean, it really is. I can confidently say that the culture that Andy

00:04:37.040 and his brother, Sal and the rest of the team at first form have created is second to none. Uh,

00:04:42.340 he's one of my good personal friends, but he's also a mentor to me. And you're going to hear in

00:04:48.220 this conversation exactly why even in disagreement, I respect him so much. Enjoy. Mr. Andy Frisilla.

00:04:56.020 What's up, man? Good to see you again. As always. What's up, brother. How are you?

00:04:59.220 I'm good. You just got done with your workout. Yeah. Like literally one minute ago. I'm still,

00:05:04.740 I didn't even change. I gotta be honest. I, sometimes I catch myself saying, well, you know,

00:05:11.060 if I had Andy's gym in my house and if I had this, then, you know, then I would change. And it's like,

00:05:16.640 no, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. You would do the same shit you always do regardless of the

00:05:20.880 convenience. Yeah. It's not, it's not even that convenient, bro. I already had three meetings this

00:05:25.420 morning. You know what I'm saying? Like I, then, then like I, I have this podcast and I have to

00:05:30.240 record two shows of my own. Uh, and then I have another meeting after that. So, I mean, like for

00:05:35.320 me, it's no different than anybody else. It just so happens that we have, you know, I've built my life

00:05:40.180 to, uh, to be as convenient as possible, but still getting in there and doing it is never convenient.

00:05:46.340 It just, it just never is. I think from the outside, look again, I, for you, I wouldn't use

00:05:51.280 the word building, building convenience. I would say building efficiency. Cause I've seen you build

00:05:57.020 businesses. I've seen how active you are with your, your company and your team members and

00:06:01.780 everything else that you have going on. It's like, yeah, well, this is still important. So it doesn't

00:06:05.760 need to be convenient. It needs to be highly efficient. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's what it is,

00:06:10.500 bro. I mean, you, you've got to be able to get your shit done, you know? And, um, as you get older

00:06:15.120 and you start to develop, especially in the entrepreneur world, you have a little freedom

00:06:19.340 to design what you want your life to be like. Um, you know, you start getting some resources,

00:06:24.040 you're, you're, you're down the road a little bit, you know, it makes sense to build these things so

00:06:27.920 that, uh, it makes it, um, possible to stay on top of, you know, for me, dude, you know, I just went

00:06:32.980 through this long, uh, this, this bad shoulder injury where I had to have surgery and I wasn't,

00:06:38.440 I haven't been able to train upper body in almost a year. Um, and I've maintained most of it because

00:06:44.580 I've ate, ate really well, but, uh, you know, the mental aspect of me getting it done, um,

00:06:51.020 day in and day out, I, I, I didn't, as much as I am in tune with it, I still didn't realize how

00:06:56.880 important it was because these last, you know, um, eight, nine months have been horrible, uh,

00:07:03.720 to push through every single day, like literally every day. So, you know, it had, I not taken the

00:07:10.640 advantage of the opportunities and the resources I had to build these things near, near and able to

00:07:16.280 execute on them. I mean, bro, you know, the truth is I would have been probably 315, 320 pounds again,

00:07:22.520 um, and having to dig myself out of, of a major hole. And, and so it's important, I think, as we

00:07:29.380 grow to really evaluate what our, you know, what the important things are for our, that we need to

00:07:35.720 operate on a daily basis at a high level. And, uh, you know, training with weights is one for me.

00:07:41.140 Um, and everybody has their own thing, you know, like I know a lot of you guys are into jujitsu and

00:07:45.280 that's cool. And, um, or, you know, guys run and do things like that, like, like Goggins or Cam Haynes.

00:07:52.280 That's cool. But like when, when that outlet is removed, uh, you know, I, it's hard, I guess what

00:07:58.800 I'm trying to say, man, is it's really hard for me to understand how people can't understand that

00:08:04.860 they're having a hard time in life because they're not taking advantage of any of the opportunities for

00:08:09.640 real outlets that men need. Yeah. That's it. I'm actually, you can see it. I don't know if you can

00:08:13.920 see, I got my sling on today. You and I were talking on a messenger or text or whatever, and

00:08:18.660 just had a surgery on my pec and everybody's like, how's it feel? How's surgery? How's recovery? I'm

00:08:24.180 like, it doesn't even hurt. Like literally I feel zero pain. You know, what sucks this part of the

00:08:30.140 game? Yes. Like I feel like a worthless sack of shit. My wife said something to me today. We're

00:08:35.100 packing up a, um, a bounce house. Cause we've got a bounce house for the kids and the neighborhood

00:08:39.920 kids for 4th of July yesterday. And I, and I was like, Hey hon, let me come up and help you throw

00:08:45.000 that on the trailer. And she's like, you can't do that. How are you going to do that? And she wasn't

00:08:49.500 trying to be mean, but I blew it way out of proportion. I jumped down her throat,

00:08:53.380 not because like I was trying to get after, but because in here I'm like, I feel worthless.

00:09:00.520 And then she said that and it's piled on and that mental game is huge. I'm dealing with that right

00:09:05.100 now. Yeah. It was very humbling for me as well, dude. Um, I'm glad I'm past it. Like I'm glad I'm

00:09:11.860 through it. I'm able to train right now for the last 30 days or so, at least, I mean, not, not pain

00:09:17.360 free and I'm not strong, but, uh, at least enough with enough intensity to really get my mind back

00:09:23.200 on track. So it feels really good. Do you feel like you are going to have any sort of issue with

00:09:29.520 your level of intensity versus following doctor's orders, maybe, or taking it in stride and not

00:09:37.000 overdoing it with your personality? That was a, you know, I'm past that point. I think, um,

00:09:43.000 I know I am. Cause they tell me I am. They, they basically said it's like, it's going to be

00:09:46.420 impossible for me to hurt again. Uh, unless I legitimately injure it again, like with that

00:09:51.440 kind of stress. Um, but yeah, that was a struggle for me during recovery for sure. Uh, you know,

00:09:58.420 I always try to do more and I try to be more and I try to push the envelope of time. Any achieving

00:10:03.440 person does this. And, um, you know, there were a couple of times where, uh, you know, I, I tweaked it

00:10:09.940 or I moved it and, uh, you know, cause I, I tore everything. Um, I tore my super spinatus

00:10:15.300 rotator completely. Uh, I tore my labrum and I tore my bicep tendon and, and, uh, was that a

00:10:21.540 lifting injury? Yeah. It was from bench press. I was benching with a couple of buddies of mine who

00:10:26.540 were in the NFL and, uh, you know, I just didn't warm up properly. Didn't, and I just kind of jumped

00:10:33.620 in and it was just, you know, bro ego lift and, and, uh, and it got, and I got bit, you know what I'm

00:10:38.340 saying? So I know it is. Yeah. Um, but yeah, dude, it was, it was bad. And, um, I feel pretty

00:10:45.740 good now. Uh, but you know, I was nervous the whole time and I was getting yelled at the whole

00:10:50.760 time by my physical therapist and also, uh, my, uh, my doctor being like, Hey man, like be careful,

00:10:57.400 be careful. Uh, because dude, you know how that sling is, man, you can't do shit in it. It's like for

00:11:02.960 me, dude, I couldn't move. So like my, mine was extremely, extremely painful, uh, really the

00:11:09.380 whole time. Um, like I couldn't do it. I, at first I couldn't put my socks on. I couldn't shower. I

00:11:15.460 couldn't like, I couldn't do shit. I couldn't do that, but I learned how my other hand, because I'm

00:11:21.500 not letting someone else do it. Um, but, uh, you learn, you know, it was weird. Everything was weird,

00:11:27.120 you know, like, and I started thinking about people, um, you know, who have had accidents

00:11:32.720 that like lost their dominant limb completely. And that, that was something that really got my

00:11:39.420 perspective, right? Because I know some people like that. In fact, we've, we have some athletes

00:11:44.220 on our team, um, here at first form that have lost limbs. Uh, and then we have one girl in

00:11:49.580 particular crystal who lost her dominant limb in a car accident as an adult and had to relearn

00:11:54.980 everything with her other hand. And, and honestly, dude, um, thinking about her like that whole time

00:12:01.820 was really something that kept me grounded and centered around the injury. Cause I was thinking

00:12:06.140 like, okay, well, you know, ideally like this, this is temporary for me and I'm, I'm fortunate to

00:12:12.240 have that. Um, and for other people it's not. And so that was something that really helped me push

00:12:17.220 through, uh, the mental because dude, for the whole time, you know, I'm 42 years old, bro. You know,

00:12:23.640 at this age, it's not as, you know, it's not as easy. Like I have questions in my head. Like,

00:12:29.640 is my body going to recover? Am I too old to recover? Am I going to get strong again? Is my

00:12:33.720 physique going to come back? Am I, am I going to be able to train pain free? Like all of that stuff

00:12:38.600 sort of, you know, was rolling around in my mind the whole entire time. And, um, you know,

00:12:45.800 it wasn't until the last 30 days or so where I started to gain my confidence back in a real way

00:12:50.380 where I was, I knew I was coming back and I knew it was going to get back on track. And now,

00:12:54.300 now I'm pretty fairly certain. Um, I would say 98% certain that it's going to heal completely.

00:13:00.120 And, um, that feels good. You know what I mean? That, that mental relief of knowing that I'll get

00:13:04.380 it back feels good. And it's like, what we talk about all the time, bro, you know, when things are

00:13:08.780 bad and when things are rough, they could always be a lot fucking worse. And it's hard for us to keep

00:13:13.760 that, uh, in our minds when we're going through the difficult things. Uh, but it's the truth,

00:13:19.540 dude, you know, like whatever it is that we're dealing with your shoulder, your pack,

00:13:23.800 my shoulder, um, shit, man, you know, uh, for people that lose a limb, like, or have, you know,

00:13:30.940 acts like there's, it could always be worse and it could be much worse. And I think it's important,

00:13:35.360 you know, to keep that in mind when we're going through these struggles. Um, if for no other

00:13:40.180 reason to keep us moving, you know? Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're talking about the age thing too.

00:13:44.940 You're 42. You said I'm 41. So right there with you. Um, and you know, I, I always,

00:13:50.000 when people would say, Oh, well, you know, I'm 40 and it's a lot harder. I would cringe like, Oh,

00:13:55.340 like, don't say that. That's such a horrible thing to say. And I gotta be honest. This is a

00:14:00.220 first real injury that I've ever dealt with. And I've been fairly athletic. I've been involved in

00:14:03.800 sports and, you know, I, I take care of myself physically. This is a real, the first real,

00:14:08.900 and now I'm kind of like, Oh, you know what? Maybe shit. Maybe there's actual, some,

00:14:13.260 some truth to that. I gotta, but I don't think it slows me down. I, in my mind, I'm thinking to

00:14:17.500 myself, I've, I've got to be better. Like I've got to eat better than I did when I'm 20. I've

00:14:22.180 got to be more efficient than I was five years ago. Uh, I've got to sleep more. Like I just have

00:14:27.500 to do it differently now. Yeah. I think, do you know how I look at that? You know, um, first of all,

00:14:33.260 my plan is to continue to get better until I die. So like, you know, that's the game plan I'm using.

00:14:40.340 I'm not buying into, you know, I'm not good. I mean, you know me, bro. I'm not good at buying

00:14:44.880 into society set rules anyway. Um, so like the whole idea of getting older and sort of like

00:14:51.540 riding off into the sunset and shit, bro, you're going to have to kill me. I mean, that's just

00:14:55.600 what it is. You know, I'm, I'm that, uh, I'm that stubborn old lion that is going to have to be killed.

00:15:02.240 Um, and, and, but you know, I'm going to keep getting stronger as long as I can.

00:15:07.520 And, you know, I think really what happens to us as we get older, at least for me, um,

00:15:12.980 I'm in the best physical shape right now, even coming off the injury than I was my entire life

00:15:18.900 before that, um, at 42 years old. So, you know, that's pretty good. I'm 250 plus pounds with fucking

00:15:26.220 apps. That's pretty good. I feel like while our bodies may respond better when we're, you know,

00:15:33.960 in our twenties or even our thirties for sure, um, our minds are not as strong. And when I feel like

00:15:41.100 happens, and I wonder what you think about this, but at least for me, what's happened is where my

00:15:46.980 body may have, uh, regressed a little bit in terms of its ability. Uh, because my mind is so much

00:15:53.880 stronger. My body is in a much better shape than it was when I was younger. And so, you know,

00:15:58.760 you might lose a little bit here, but you're gaining a little bit here. And what you gain here

00:16:02.420 actually is the real shit that we have to have to win in life. And so while I do feel like it is a

00:16:09.900 little bit harder, I feel like my discipline and my habits and my overall understanding of what it

00:16:16.420 takes for me to operate at a high level and what I want for my life is more clear and stronger,

00:16:21.480 which makes it easier for me to maintain that sort of level of physical conditioning.

00:16:26.600 So yeah, you know, it's kind of a paradox in my opinion.

00:16:30.680 Yeah. And I, I mean, I'd rather have the mentality then, and it's a false dichotomy, I know, but I'd

00:16:34.800 rather have the mentality than the physicality because the physicality you can build, right?

00:16:39.540 The mentality is in, and yes, you can build a mentality too, but it's, to me, it's infinitely

00:16:44.340 harder to build that mental fortitude than it is to build a physical body.

00:16:48.080 Yeah. But once you have it, it makes the body easier.

00:16:49.860 Well, it's exponential too, right? It just compounds every facet of your business or your

00:16:54.920 life rather. For sure, bro. Yeah. I was thinking about that yesterday. I was, I was, again, I was

00:16:59.840 playing with the kids and, and my wife was with some of her girlfriends and they were in the garden

00:17:04.200 and my, the kids were prodding me. They're like, dad, come hit the baseball. I'm like, how,

00:17:08.060 like, how am I going to do this? And I'm like, no, I'm, I'm doing, I'm going to figure out a way

00:17:11.520 to do it, you know? And so I grabbed that bat and swinging with one hand and just running around the

00:17:15.860 bases. And I'm like, Oh, I got done. And, and, uh, they threw it to third and I slid into third

00:17:20.960 and they overthrew it. And I ran home and they're all excited. Cause I, you know, made it around the

00:17:24.700 bases and I cheered with them and celebrated with them. And then I was like, man, I should not have

00:17:29.700 done that. Like, like afterwards, I was like thinking twice about doing that, but, um, yeah,

00:17:35.940 it's a balancing act, but it's, uh, it's life too. You know, it's like, I'm not going to sit by

00:17:40.480 and not do anything. Cause that to me is not the answer either. Cause I can slink away. Anybody

00:17:45.280 can slink away into obscurity. You go through a divorce, a death, a job loss, a lawsuit,

00:17:49.900 like you tuck tail and run, or you lick your wounds, get back up and get back into the fight.

00:17:56.520 Yeah, dude. I think that's the whole thing, you know? And I think, uh, I think, you know,

00:18:00.760 for me, I think this injury at this age, at this point in my life, um, and this is another thing

00:18:06.960 that kept me pushing through was that like, dude, you know, if I lose my shit right now and decide

00:18:15.820 to go back to the old Andy, that was, you know, 300 plus pounds or even three 50, um, I might not

00:18:22.640 be able to recover from that at this age. So for me, that was something that, you know, I re I started

00:18:28.380 realizing how, cause like a lot of times, dude, I don't mean this in a condescending way, but I look

00:18:32.840 around at people and I'm like, how the fuck did you get here? Like, how did, how did you get here?

00:18:36.500 Like, um, and, and like this, this point of my life was one of those major points that could have

00:18:44.600 twisted the wrong way, or I could have handled it a different way. And it could have put me in a

00:18:50.040 position to where like, I could have been the guy that was telling the story. And I know this is hard

00:18:55.000 for people to, to, to, to think about, cause they think of me in a different way, but like, dude, I had

00:19:00.380 to create my mentality. You know what I'm saying? So like, I know inside there that that week

00:19:05.580 you know, undisciplined, lazy human is still in there. And that's part of the reason why

00:19:12.080 I continue to push, continue to push, continue to push because I don't ever want that fucking

00:19:17.440 person to come back out. And, um, you know, this could have been one of those moments where I,

00:19:23.120 I, you know, I gained 80 pounds and, uh, you know, dude, like if I gained 80 pounds, it's not

00:19:29.900 going to take money away from my bank account. I have enough money. So like, I could have like

00:19:33.900 went and live the entire life being some fat, you know, slob again. And, and, uh, and, and maybe not

00:19:41.740 be able to get back from it. So that was something that kept me going as well, dude. Like, um, I'm,

00:19:46.780 I'm just not willing to lose it. You know what I mean?

00:19:48.700 So if, if I was able to somehow just put a, you know, a fat body suit on you and put an extra

00:19:57.940 a hundred, 150 pounds on you, like you were talking about 350 pounds years and years ago,

00:20:02.520 if I was able to do that instantaneously, I think you'd look in the mirror and be repulsed by

00:20:06.800 yourself. Right. But in all, in all honesty, you were there years ago. And then you said,

00:20:12.160 how did I get there? How did you get there?

00:20:14.320 Oh dude, it was really, it was, it was the same scenario. It was the same scenario. I got injured.

00:20:20.120 Um, I was, I was a lift. Look, I've always been a lifter and, um, 2012, uh, 13, I'd had two injuries

00:20:29.020 back to back. I tore both packs. I tore one pack and then I tore another pack and though. And so like,

00:20:35.040 I tore my pack. I was out for five months, came back the next day, the first fucking workout and

00:20:41.880 tore my other pack. Very first one. Oh yeah. So, and that was something I learned through this

00:20:48.320 injury as well. Like during the time that I was in the sling and I couldn't train my other shoulder,

00:20:53.060 I still trained at least what I could of my other parts of my body so that I wouldn't get injured

00:20:58.360 when I came back. So, um, so that, in that scenario that after I tore my, my other pack, the second time,

00:21:06.560 um, I was very demoralized, bro. And, and like, dude, we, we, uh, Emily and I had moved, we had just

00:21:13.640 gotten married a few years before this, a year before that this happened, we moved into a new house.

00:21:19.420 It was our first like nice house. Uh, and, and bro, you know, like at that time, I think I got a little

00:21:26.380 lazy, you know, I think I, I think I, I, you know, there, there was a, there was a Chinese food place right

00:21:31.700 up the street that I liked a lot. You know, I ate that shit four nights a week. You know, uh, I, I,

00:21:36.700 I drank a lot of wine. I drank a lot of beer. Uh, I drank a lot of whiskey and, um, you know, I just,

00:21:43.420 business was good then. That was like my first phase of where we were making real money. Um,

00:21:48.640 where I had just gotten out of that, like 10 years of real fucking grind of, uh, with no reward. I had

00:21:56.420 just moved into my first, uh, you know, nice house. It was 11,000 square feet. So it was like a

00:22:01.640 you know, I was living in a, I was living right. You know what I'm saying? Like, like that way.

00:22:05.520 And, uh, I think I felt like I had it made a little bit, you know what I'm saying? And, um,

00:22:10.180 it took me taking my foot off the gas to realize that I, I did not have it made. Um, and, and not

00:22:17.900 only did I not have it made, I was, I was losing, not losing, but I was letting down the people who

00:22:25.640 depended on me to continue to build for their own benefit, not mine. And when I realized that,

00:22:32.420 when I, when it kind of dawned on me that I realized I was, it wasn't about me, I was letting

00:22:38.160 everybody else down. Uh, that's when it changed. That's when it changed for me because like, dude,

00:22:43.060 you know, like we all have that ability to let ourselves off the hook a little bit, um, and let

00:22:48.480 ourselves slide. But whenever it's, you know, someone else is depending on you or you realize you're

00:22:53.920 failing people that really fucking went to, went to battle for you or had your back when you were

00:22:58.660 in a difficult situation. Um, that kind of stung. And that was a realization that came to me all at

00:23:04.100 once. Uh, I can remember exactly where I was. I know exactly what I was doing. I know exactly like

00:23:09.720 the time of day it was like, and it hit me. And, uh, that's when I decided like, dude, I'm fucking

00:23:15.000 done with this. Like I'm going to, I'm going to become, I'm going to become what the fuck I can

00:23:19.620 become. And, and that's all I've been trying to do. And that was, that was 2016. So, uh,

00:23:25.900 that was about the time you and I first met. Yeah. So, so when you and I first met and I was

00:23:30.380 fat as fuck, that was the result of me being injured. And then basically just losing all my,

00:23:36.000 my, my momentum over the course of two, two years, I didn't gain, uh, I didn't gain all that

00:23:41.400 weight in one month, but I gained it in a little over a year. You know what I mean? Um, but I mean,

00:23:46.460 bro, I had to work hard to gain that kind of way. Like, like I was eating, like I was, I was eating

00:23:51.260 like a, like, uh, like you would see on the 600 pound life. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah,

00:23:56.160 I'd be having pizza, French fries, and Chinese food, you know, all the good stuff, you know,

00:24:01.180 bringing my syrup to dip my Chinese food in total fat ass shit. So it is one of the thing,

00:24:08.560 one of the things that I personally struggle and I've been wanting to ask you this question,

00:24:12.080 there's more selfish reason, but I think other people get value from it too, is I feel a little

00:24:17.700 bit like in my life where, where you felt those years ago, where the business is firing on all

00:24:23.540 cylinders. We're making more money than we ever have. I feel like I'm, I'm doing, you know,

00:24:27.500 pretty good as a father. I'm engaged with my wife. Intimacy is there health minus this is pretty good.

00:24:33.940 And there are things in my life where I don't actually want to do as much. Like I don't want to,

00:24:39.520 for example, travel as much. It's not that I want to let off the gas is that I just don't want to do

00:24:46.220 that as much. So how do you find whether or not you're coasting and taking it easy and just your

00:24:53.480 priorities have shifted? Um, you know, dude, I think you just got to be honest with yourself.

00:24:58.440 Like, are you being lazy or are you making a choice? And, um, you know, for me, like how I can

00:25:06.000 relate to you on this is like, you, you know, that I, I, I leave a lot of money on the table

00:25:10.480 cause I won't travel. Right. Like I leave eight figures on the table every year because I won't

00:25:15.740 travel and I don't like it. And one of my friends, who's a mutual friend of ours was asking me, you

00:25:20.840 know, how come you don't travel? Well, shit, bro. Like I live on a resort, you know what I'm saying?

00:25:25.520 Like it's pretty awesome. Um, I, I have, I come to work every single day at the literal coolest

00:25:32.440 headquarters of any company on the fucking planet. And that's objectively true. I'll say as well.

00:25:37.880 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's true. It's not just me saying, Hey, I really liked my life. No, it's,

00:25:42.360 it's amazing. Yeah. And, um, I, I live four and a half miles away. Uh, I come here, I get to work

00:25:50.420 with all these people who are driven, who are hungry, who are willing to contribute and help other people win.

00:25:55.700 Um, and it energizes me and like, dude, like a vacation for me, uh, every day is like a vacation.

00:26:02.740 I do exactly what I want to do, bro. I like, like, uh, so those are choices. You know what I'm

00:26:07.420 saying? Like, I know that I'm leaving money on the table, um, to have a different quality of life

00:26:12.640 that I choose. And if you would have asked me 10 years ago, if I would ever do that, I would have

00:26:16.960 been like, there's no fucking way, bro. Cause I'm a killer. I'm going to get it all. Right. Right. But, uh,

00:26:21.100 but what I realized is, is that I'm actually going to get it all, um, in a different way by doing it

00:26:26.940 the way I'm doing it. And all that money that I'm leaving on the table from speaking gigs, you know,

00:26:31.760 I'm getting six figures for every speaking gig that I do. You know, I could be speaking every

00:26:36.260 fucking week. So there, it is what it is. I, that, that money though, I will receive on the

00:26:42.780 backend one day from what I do every day and my business opportunities, uh, what I'm building here

00:26:48.960 and, and, and the, and the non-monetary gain that I gained from not doing that as much better as well.

00:26:54.860 So, um, you know, I, I don't, I don't, I think you're going to make the right decision knowing what

00:27:00.740 I know about you, you know, like, you know, it's, it's, it's a trade it's quality of life versus,

00:27:05.820 you know, money. And, um, you know, that's funny because, you know, I get a lot of people,

00:27:10.920 you know, they, people know that I, I, I like nice shit and I have a cool car collection and I

00:27:15.600 have a, I have all the cool things that you would think like a wealthy dude would do. And then it's

00:27:20.420 all you, all you care about is my motherfucker. If you knew how much money I left on the table,

00:27:24.520 you would not say that. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. You know, like another thing,

00:27:29.460 like I do my podcast, like, you know, when my podcast is, it's at the fucking top and I don't run an ad.

00:27:35.440 I could make eight figures on ads there. Actually, now that I'm talking about it,

00:27:39.060 maybe I'm stupid. Like I'm starting to think like, dude, you're kind of an idiot. Uh, but you

00:27:44.660 know, I, I don't know, man, like I, I just kind of like to do things my way and I have enough and,

00:27:50.580 and, uh, I like building and, and so I just built my life the way that I like it. You know what I mean?

00:27:55.880 And, and, and that, that's going to take some choices. You know, I don't, I think anybody who,

00:28:00.160 um, who just chases the dollar, no matter where they are, eventually they're going to be seen as

00:28:06.880 someone who just chases the dollar. And, and I don't think that's an admirable thing. I think that

00:28:11.360 it's admirable to want to win, but it's also, uh, important to win, um, in a way that, that isn't

00:28:20.080 just monetary. You know what I mean? It's, it's also a win in life. And I know you understand that

00:28:24.940 as well as anybody and your listeners do too, because they understand that success is not a

00:28:30.220 paycheck. It's not a dollar amount. It's a fulfilling life. And money is just a way to

00:28:34.900 help, uh, accelerate that. But like from the outside in, you know, it looks like, you know,

00:28:39.740 all I do is go home and come here and I'm working all the time, but bro, this is fun for me. I love

00:28:44.180 this. This is what I want to be doing. You know, that's a, that's a great, that's a great person.

00:28:49.080 I think about that too. And I've said, like, people say, do you want to travel? And I'm like,

00:28:53.280 why would I want to travel? I bought the place I wanted to have. I've got the land I want to have.

00:28:58.580 My kids are out playing, doing their stuff. Like, like, I don't, I don't need to escape this.

00:29:04.300 This is what I like. And, and I, this is what I've worked for. I mean, bro, I think that's a

00:29:09.640 perspective. I think most people don't live a life like that. They don't, they haven't built a life

00:29:13.820 that they actually love. They live in a life that they're yearning to escape from at all times.

00:29:18.440 And, um, you know, so when they're asking me, uh, you know, why don't you travel or why aren't you

00:29:25.280 out on a fucking massive yacht doing all this shit? It's like, bro, you know, I've done all that.

00:29:30.380 Like I've done all those, I've had those experiences and the experiences I value most are the ones that I

00:29:35.740 get to do every single day. You know, Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot. Um, you know,

00:29:40.920 your life is not that one or two vacations and I'm paraphrasing what he said, but you know,

00:29:46.000 I love Jordan Peterson. I think most of your people probably do too. Um, yeah, he's, he,

00:29:51.800 if he lived in a, if he lived in a, in a Roman times, they'd have a bust of them. Okay.

00:29:56.800 We'd be quoting him instead of Marcus Aurelius. Yeah, exactly. And one day they will be one day

00:30:01.840 they will be. And, uh, you know, what he says is, you know, your life isn't these, isn't the moments

00:30:10.220 that you, that you paint as like the vacation or the trip or the big win or the fucking crowd

00:30:16.400 cheering. And those are just little, little tiny highlight, real moments. Your real life is like

00:30:23.740 how you wake up in the morning. Like what conversations that you have with your, your

00:30:28.160 family, uh, with your wife, with your husband, um, you know, how they treat you when you get home.

00:30:34.680 Like, what do you do? And like those, what you do at work, like who are your friends? What

00:30:39.880 relationships do you have with the people that you're surrounded by? That's your life. And I love

00:30:45.460 my life. So I try to like not escape from it, you know, let's, so let's rewind the clock a little bit

00:30:52.260 because I think there's a lot of guys who are listening who want to, who want to be in the

00:30:56.180 position you're talking about, right? Like, I think everybody listening wants to be in that position

00:30:59.680 for sure. And we're all in, on varying slots on, on the timeline, but you also said something

00:31:06.480 earlier about opportunities. We're looking for opportunities. Opportunities are there. And yet

00:31:10.680 I'll see a guy who in one breath will say, I want what Andy has. I want what Ryan has. I want what

00:31:16.360 that guy has. And then the very next breath is, but I don't have any opportunities. It's like,

00:31:20.760 why do people overlook what's right there in front of them? Like I'm having a hard time wrapping my head.

00:31:27.000 Like I can look at him like, bro, here's 10 things you can do right. Like today, do that.

00:31:31.360 No, well, you don't know my switch. Whoa, whatever, you know, just do that. And you can have what you

00:31:35.860 want. Look, man, sir. It sucks to suck, dude. Okay. That's the reality. Winners are going to

00:31:42.200 fucking win. Losers are going to fucking lose. That's it. Um, I, I stopped, you know, a few years

00:31:48.440 ago, really engaging with people, uh, on, on Instagram and on the internet. And, and, you know,

00:31:53.000 you know, that, um, and the reason I did was because I was wasting my time and my breath

00:31:57.920 with people. You're either going to follow me. You're going to understand, you're going to listen,

00:32:02.160 you're going to execute, or you're going to lose. And that's it. Um, and once I come to that

00:32:07.860 realization of I'm going to offer what I can offer and people are either going to take it or leave it.

00:32:13.200 I realized that it was pointless wasting my time to try to convince anybody because at the end of the

00:32:18.200 day, winning in life and business is so fucking hard that if someone has to convince you to do it,

00:32:27.340 you don't have a fucking chance anyway. So I'm not trying to convince anybody. You know, I was,

00:32:32.360 I, uh, my buddy, Aaron Wagner, uh, you, I think, you know, Wagner, um, I know I've never met him,

00:32:37.360 but I know who he is. Good ass dude. He's cool, dude. He's a, you know, young guy, you know, uh,

00:32:42.720 very successful. Um, somebody posted on his, on his story today. Are you a real hustler? Or are you,

00:32:49.040 uh, are you fed with a golden spoon? Well, first of all, motherfucker, it's silver spoon. Okay.

00:32:55.320 That's how dumb you are. It's silver spoon, not golden spoon. Secondly, um, that person,

00:33:01.120 you know, Aaron wrote back a response that basically said, no, man, I grew up here. This is

00:33:07.180 what I did. And, but those people aren't going to hear that. They don't care. You know what I'm

00:33:11.960 saying? They don't, they don't, they, they will never fucking care. They will always walk around

00:33:17.120 saying that's that guy who said that about the golden spoon. He walks around every single day,

00:33:21.580 looking at every single person that has shit that he doesn't have and says, that guy got a golden

00:33:26.380 spoon. That guy got a golden spoon. That lady had a golden spoon. I'm the only one that didn't get a

00:33:32.740 golden spoon. And that mentality is what keeps these people from seeing the opportunity. Like there's,

00:33:39.100 there's more opportunity right now than there ever has been in my entire life ever, ever, ever. Now,

00:33:45.580 are we at a, a, a pivotal point where we could lose that for the younger people? You know, the 18 to 19

00:33:52.320 to 20 year old people right now who are hungry, who look at this and they're saying, I want to build

00:33:57.320 this amazing life. Could their opportunity be hurt? Yes. If we don't fix what's going on in the world,

00:34:03.380 absolutely. It will be hurt. It won't, could be hurt. It will be hurt. It will be fucking stopped.

00:34:08.380 But at the end of the day, the main reason why people can't see opportunity, like you could see it

00:34:15.040 is because they've trained themselves to look past it. And if you train yourself to look past it every

00:34:20.920 single time, how are you going to see it? It's impossible to see like, so, um, you know, and dude,

00:34:27.320 unfortunately, you know, as you know, we're battling, we're battling a massive indoctrination

00:34:32.800 system. We're, we're battling a massive trillion dollar manipulation, oppression machine that tells

00:34:41.320 people that they are peasants and they're going to stay peasants. And no matter what they do,

00:34:46.940 they're going to be peasants. And the people who aren't peasants who have shit, they're your enemy.

00:34:51.680 That's what we, that's what they're being taught. And when I was young and when you were young,

00:34:55.540 that's not what we were taught. What we were taught was, Hey, look at that person. They came

00:35:00.400 from this. That means you can too. And that is not happening in our school system. It's not happening

00:35:06.080 in our households. It's not happening anywhere. And you can't really blame someone who's never

00:35:12.340 been told or never been taught that there's massive opportunity for them. If they would just put their

00:35:18.660 fucking hands in the dirt and get their hands a little dirty and go and be willing to do that for a

00:35:23.800 long enough time. Right? Like, bro, if that's a, there's a fundamental flaw in what we're being

00:35:30.660 taught. And, and I, and I don't disagree. I wholeheartedly agree with that, but there's a

00:35:35.000 weird balancing act between what you just said, which is we can't really blame a person who never

00:35:40.380 learned that because of this indoctrination. And then, Hey, some people are just never going to learn.

00:35:45.320 Like, is there a middle ground where we should be looking for characteristics or glimpses into

00:35:53.040 people that we want to serve, that we want to lead and help them see a better way of doing it?

00:35:57.860 I found the best, I found the best way is to be the best that, that, that I can be. And people who

00:36:04.760 choose to listen and follow will choose to listen and follow. And people who don't, don't, you know,

00:36:10.040 I can be like the whole, the whole process of me, like thinking like, Hey, I want to serve this

00:36:18.820 person to make them better. If they can't grasp it mentally, it's a waste of my time because the

00:36:28.100 amount of effort that they're going to have to exert, because like, dude, winning is not just

00:36:32.500 about understanding that you can win. It's about becoming really good at it and working really

00:36:37.640 fucking hard. Right. So, you know, we've gotten to a point in society where a lot of people think

00:36:43.640 that winning is just going, you're going to, if you show up and do the job, you're going to win.

00:36:49.740 That's not reality. So if you take someone who's mentally so far away from understanding opportunity

00:36:57.420 and you're trying to get them across the spectrum over to, I have to show up every day

00:37:03.580 for years and years and years and years and work as hard as I can with no result,

00:37:09.580 you know, that's not a me problem. That's a them problem. So like what I try to do is just tell my

00:37:15.400 story, share the tools, and hopefully it clicks for them. But the reason I stopped doing what you're

00:37:22.580 talking about was because it was draining me. I couldn't put my own energy into my own projects

00:37:29.340 because I was so frustrated with all these people that honestly are not even fucking close to where

00:37:36.440 they need to be mentally to win that I decided like, I cannot do that. I can't do that because

00:37:41.260 I'm failing my own team. I'm failing my own family. I'm failing my own friends. I'm failing my own

00:37:46.200 companies by trying to convince some motherfucker who thinks it's because of a golden spoon or because

00:37:51.700 you're born into a certain family or because it's fucking this or that or this or whatever reason

00:37:56.900 they tell themselves that they've been told. I can't waste my resources there.

00:38:04.500 Man, let me just hit the pause button. I know you're all fired up and riled up and that's good.

00:38:08.320 We should be. It's important that we are because that's what's actually going to affect change.

00:38:12.920 I do want to mention, as I mentioned earlier, we've got our legacy experience coming up on last

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00:38:29.740 believe that if we are to change the trajectory of this country to one that's more productive,

00:38:35.380 one that's more profitable, one that's more enjoyable, one that's more free, then we've got

00:38:39.800 to focus our attention and energy not only on our own improvement, but the improvement of our young

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00:39:23.800 this show ends for now. I'll get back to it with Andy.

00:39:28.080 I get frustrated at times too. And I know other people do. And I'm just trying to think of my own

00:39:33.280 personal situation, whether, I mean, I think about my mom, she raised me primarily on her own and my

00:39:38.420 sister and she wasn't very entrepreneurial minded. Didn't really have that background, but there was

00:39:45.180 things that she did that I watched. I observed, I watched her take care of her money. I watched her

00:39:49.920 work three jobs at a time to make sure that I never questioned about having a roof over her head.

00:39:54.800 And I brought a lot of that mentality with me. And then along the way, I learned from guys like you

00:39:58.780 and other people, uh, a different way of doing it, but it was all built on the foundation that she had

00:40:04.420 laid for me. Yeah, dude. I think, you know, there's levels to it as well, bro. Like there's also levels,

00:40:12.740 like, like not everybody is going to become this extremely successful, uh, business mogul. Um,

00:40:21.640 that's not even everybody's goal. That's not mine. Like my goal is to be you. That's what I'm saying.

00:40:28.360 And mine's not to be you. So exactly. And that's not, that's not, that's not like wrong. Right. But like,

00:40:35.020 we, we have to understand that when we put out our tools and we put out our skills and we share,

00:40:41.400 like you share, um, and like a lot of these other guys that you have on your show, share the things

00:40:45.780 that they've learned and known and discovered, uh, and experienced for the next generation to come

00:40:51.560 up. You know, we have to remember that, like, you know, that's an obligation on our part, but the

00:40:57.340 obligation on their part is to follow through and do it. And, um, you know, it's got to take both,

00:41:02.780 you know, you have to meet in the middle and, you know, I don't know, man, I like what you do,

00:41:08.020 like with your, you know, what you guys are doing with the, with the younger kids and like teaching,

00:41:12.520 teaching these younger people, though, that that's very, very noble, important work that needs to be

00:41:17.860 done. Um, and I think most of those kids are probably already pre-tuned for achievement because

00:41:25.780 their parents care enough about them to bring their dads are with them. Their dads are involved.

00:41:29.380 They invest in them. Yeah. A hundred percent. So, so, so like, dude, that like pouring into

00:41:34.860 those types of situations, that's a different thing because they're sort of already bought into

00:41:38.860 it. Um, but I'm definitely not getting online and arguing with some dude who doesn't even know the

00:41:43.760 quote, right. Uh, that's a silver spoon, not a golden spoon about why the fuck he can be successful

00:41:48.520 too. Because in my opinion, that person will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get it. No matter what I

00:41:54.780 do. Hmm. So you made, you made this, this pivot of, of not posting like you were prior to this

00:42:01.420 about a couple of years ago, it seems like. Um, and then you have your, your daily email that goes

00:42:06.320 out and I read every single one of those, which is awesome. Uh, but you also made another pivot,

00:42:11.100 uh, more recently, which is the shift from, and I'll use this term. I know you probably don't like

00:42:17.100 it, but I'll just use it for the sake of argument, more of a business slash self-development

00:42:21.240 movement, right. Into the, um, MFCEO into real AF, which is a completely different lane. It's a

00:42:30.880 completely different Avenue. So what prompted that change and where do you see that going moving

00:42:36.180 forward? Well, there was a need, um, there was a vacuum for it. That was the problem. So

00:42:42.940 at the time when M first of all, MFCEO, I feel is a pretty complete library. I don't think there's

00:42:50.540 much more that I could add into it to make it. Um, I mean, there's maybe a couple of things,

00:42:58.140 right? Like, but not, it's pretty comprehensive. And for me to continue to beat those things to

00:43:04.620 death, that's just not, that wasn't fun. Towards the end of that, I was not having fun. I was like,

00:43:09.260 this is ridiculous. I've already told you motherfuckers 20 times, like, bro, you know,

00:43:14.020 like that's where I was with it. So, uh, I saw the corruption that was happening. I've,

00:43:20.260 I've always been in tune with what's going on in society. I saw the loss of American values. I saw

00:43:25.800 the, uh, I saw people starting to get, uh, afraid to post the American flag, um, all these things.

00:43:33.820 And I just felt like there was a need. I felt like there was a need to talk about why it's important

00:43:38.180 that we have freedom. I felt like there was a need to expose that people who were listening to my show

00:43:44.060 who want to have success and want to build amazing careers and businesses that they won't be able to

00:43:51.320 do that if they don't take care of what's going on in society right now. So like, I almost felt like

00:43:55.840 it was an obligation for me to, uh, talk to switch that format. And one of the reasons I switched the

00:44:01.760 entire format was because I, when I was doing MS CEO, if I ever started talking about like my own

00:44:07.700 beliefs or this, I always have a bunch of people be like, Hey, uh, you need to stay in your lane

00:44:13.080 and talk about this. Well, Hey, fuck you, dude. I'll do whatever the fuck I want. And that's what

00:44:16.700 it is. So I changed the show and I lost all those people. They went over to whoever. And I don't hear

00:44:22.700 from those people anymore. And it's, it's amazing. My life is much more fun and better. Um, but you know,

00:44:29.040 I, at the end of the day, bro, like I'm not just a businessman. Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm more than that.

00:44:35.240 And, um, I, I, I know that, and I know I'm here for bigger things and, you know, running this

00:44:41.620 business and building an empire. That's not the main thing I'm here to do. And, um, I know that

00:44:47.060 I know what I'm here to do. And, and this just plays in that plan as far as where it's going to go.

00:44:52.140 Um, I don't know, man, you know, I could be, uh, in the, in the fucking gulag in a, in a, in a week.

00:44:59.680 Um, or I could be in solitary confinement with all the January 6th protesters with no fucking trial,

00:45:06.240 or, uh, you know, I could be doing standup comedy. I don't know. The best thing about doing real AF

00:45:11.920 is, is that it's opened up, uh, it's opened up my audience to a very wide range of audience and it's

00:45:18.240 actually got them more interested in becoming personally successful. Uh, so I actually think

00:45:23.920 it's much more impactful of a show than what MFCEO was, even though if you ask people what show

00:45:30.620 was more impactful, they will say MFCEO, but you got to remember, they were dedicated to that.

00:45:37.120 Now I'm talking to people from a wide range across the, the, the abyss of personalities and career paths

00:45:45.800 and, uh, political ideologies and everywhere. Cause even the people that don't agree, listen.

00:45:51.220 So eventually they start figuring out like, well, man, this guy's pretty successful in business

00:45:56.360 and they discover all this other content. And then, you know, I get many emails, uh, a day

00:46:02.340 that people are like, man, dude, you know, I never even knew who you really were. I just thought you

00:46:06.200 were a dude that like made jokes on real AF and make fun of these guys. But like, I've gotten a lot

00:46:10.480 of value, man. My life is better. I did 75 hard. I'm doing live hard, blah, blah, blah. And so like,

00:46:15.620 it's almost like it opened up, uh, my ability to, to, to do what I do, uh, to a much broader

00:46:25.480 base of an audience. Do you feel like the direction of, let's just say the country will

00:46:32.100 leave it there for an hour or just society generally is that there's more people from

00:46:37.860 like a proportionate amount that have moved from this idea of independence, freedom, liberty,

00:46:42.240 to this woke ideology, gender, critical race theory, politicians who are taking a bigger

00:46:50.020 advantage of us, or is it that they're just more vocal or is it both?

00:46:55.080 Well, what I really think is that the media and technology have colluded together to create

00:47:03.460 the perception that this is a much bigger issue than what it really is.

00:47:08.900 That's what it seems like to me.

00:47:10.140 Yeah. If you, you know, in 2016, I made a post about Donald Trump. Um, and I got targeted by,

00:47:20.120 uh, uh, a bot. Okay. And I had like, this is 2016, bro. My following was not what it is today.

00:47:27.640 I had like thousands of comments that were like bashing me within 10 minutes of posting the post.

00:47:33.380 And I realized like, that's not humanly possible. And, and so for this whole time, and if you go

00:47:39.300 back to the old MFCEO episodes, I talk about this cause I didn't really, I couldn't understand what

00:47:43.480 was happening. Um, because quite honestly, like a lot of people, I just didn't think people would

00:47:47.940 do these kinds of things. Um, but now with Elon trying to buy Twitter and him. So, so what he did,

00:47:56.040 what people are very confused about what he did, but what he did was actually super genius.

00:48:01.160 What he did was he pushed up against Twitter with an offer that could not be refused, knowing that full

00:48:09.480 disclosure of their operational procedures would be required for that offer to close. He knew and

00:48:15.660 suspected that they were using the Twitter verse as an echo chamber to create, um, narratives. And so

00:48:24.560 what happened was he pressed up on Twitter. Uh, and then when it came time to disclose how many fake

00:48:30.940 accounts, they wouldn't do it. So, so they, they said it's plus or minus 5% bullshit. It's more like

00:48:38.720 probably if we're guessing, I would say it's more like 60% fake. Okay. And what they've done is they've

00:48:45.780 used the mainstream media, social media, and all these things to collude together, to make it appear

00:48:52.900 that the average conservative minded, real freedom. I'm not even conservative, bro. I'm freedom. Okay.

00:49:00.320 Um, but the average freedom minded American feels alone. And if you go back and study the methods of

00:49:08.520 communism, or you go look at like, uh, Saul Alinsky's playbook that they all quote about being the best

00:49:14.100 rules for radicals is the name of the book. If you go read the book, what they've done is exactly play

00:49:21.400 by play to demoralize society. And so what I actually think is happening, uh, and I'm convinced

00:49:27.520 of it. This isn't like you could, you couldn't convince me otherwise is that they use bot farms

00:49:32.420 and fake accounts and suppression and censorship to create the appearance that so many people are

00:49:38.940 with this, but you got to remember why did nobody come out and support Joe Biden when he was campaigning?

00:49:44.440 Why'd they keep him in a basement? Why do they use a fake white house set? Why, why is there

00:49:49.480 never any crowds? Why are the crowds when he's traveling around all pro Trump? Why, why, why,

00:49:55.140 why, why none of the real world feedback of this fake technology world that they've created jives

00:50:01.200 with what they've created. So when we are told 24 hours a day that you guys that look like you and I

00:50:07.380 are racist and black people hate us because they hate us and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we go out

00:50:13.320 in the real world and everybody's cool. That shit don't make sense. Right. And everybody, uh, white

00:50:19.020 people, black people, fucking native Americans, everybody is starting to catch on. The gay community,

00:50:24.880 everybody, everybody's catching on that. We're being fucking played by these elite tyrants. And, um,

00:50:32.680 so I don't actually think any of those things are real, actual real issues. I think, you know,

00:50:38.660 we've allowed, uh, the media be controlled and we'd allow them to collude. And, um, we've allowed

00:50:45.500 these communists, which is what they are, uh, to indoctrinate and put their teachers in our

00:50:52.280 teaching system. Uh, to we've had, we've allowed guys like Soros to fund prosecutors that won't

00:50:57.960 prosecute crime to create more crime and division in our cities. Um, and, and I think the game is up.

00:51:04.240 I think everybody's starting to see what's going on. Uh, and you know, it's falling apart and, and like,

00:51:11.740 I can't, I can't sit here and think of a win that the, the progressive left has had in the last year,

00:51:19.220 like one, they haven't had one. And while, while we all feel like shit is falling apart,

00:51:25.000 um, they really feel like shit is falling apart because nothing they're doing is working anymore.

00:51:29.900 And none of their divisive tactics are working. Um, people are waking up to how corrupt the school

00:51:35.060 system is, how corrupt the, uh, judicial system is. And they're, they're putting in the work and

00:51:41.280 getting engaged to change it. Uh, there's a lot to do. Um, but at the end of the day, man, like,

00:51:47.920 I don't, I like, I have not heard one convincing argument by fucking anybody, uh, of any sort of

00:51:56.560 stature outside, you know, like these Hollywood people who are in on the game with them. Right.

00:52:02.300 Um, that makes even a one ounce of sense. And I think most Americans are smart enough to know that

00:52:08.320 most Americans know that on the inside, we all bleed red and we're all the same and we all,

00:52:15.000 we all struggle and we all have hard times and we don't hate each other and we understand

00:52:19.020 manipulation. And I think there's people who are continuing to go along with their narrative,

00:52:24.220 uh, in public because they feel like it's going to benefit them or because they have tied their

00:52:30.300 identity to this shit so hard that they don't know how to back out of it. Um, but at the end of the

00:52:35.940 day, man, I don't think that most people believe this shit, not, you know, I don't, I don't see

00:52:41.540 them winning anything. I see their entire play falling apart in every regard whatsoever. Uh,

00:52:46.840 you know, they had to take down dislikes on YouTube on the white house channel. Like,

00:52:51.720 like, you know, uh, CNN's ratings are gone. Uh, they had to close CNN plus Disney's the worst

00:52:59.100 performing stock in the, in the stock market in the last 12 months. Uh, Netflix, Netflix, uh, you

00:53:05.320 know, dude, all of the woke shit is getting smashed, but the problem for them is that they're committed

00:53:13.400 to it. So they, these people are not going to be able to rewind and retread and go back on course.

00:53:20.520 The damage is done. Um, and which, which, which is important to talk about on the show because

00:53:25.860 the next generation has a massive opportunity to build some of these amazing things from a pro

00:53:33.200 America stance or a pro freedom stance. And, uh, you know, that's just going to take time,

00:53:38.300 but I can promise you the minute someone makes better shoes than fucking Nike, nobody's buying

00:53:42.860 Nike shoes anymore. The minute someone makes better cartoons than fucking Disney, no one's taking their

00:53:48.220 kids to Disney anymore. You know, that shit, their shit is done and it's not recoverable because they

00:53:53.540 are in bed with the people, the world economic forum, people who push this narrative in order

00:54:01.460 to demoralize society, to remove individual identity, to create a situation where everybody's

00:54:08.500 dependent on the government so that they can have the most fucking power. And so what people need to

00:54:13.360 realize is that everything we consume in mass media or, or Hollywood for the most part is design.

00:54:21.240 Right. And we're all starting to see it. Right. Like where everybody's starting to kind of wake up

00:54:24.980 and be like, Holy shit, dude, they're jamming the shit down our throats everywhere. Every commercial,

00:54:31.340 every movie, go to the gas station to get gas. And it's like, I just want to pump gas. I don't need

00:54:36.480 the LGBTQ agenda. I just need gas in my truck for a reasonable price. And everybody feels that way,

00:54:42.940 bro. Even the LGBTQ people like they don't listen. That's a, that's most of 99.9% of gay people are not

00:54:53.560 with the sexualization of kids. Okay. Like they're, they're trying to create all these dynamics to

00:55:00.940 create as much of this shit on the ground as possible so that they can continue to steal from

00:55:05.880 us. And that's it. That is it. Okay. And you know, I think people are catching on. So my answer

00:55:13.520 to the question and short is I don't actually think it's anything what people think it is.

00:55:18.440 I think it's a made up facade. I think the curtains being pulled back that they use technology to push

00:55:24.140 their agenda, to pressure people into silence. I think people are realizing the political correctness

00:55:29.580 was a, uh, a communist subversion tactic to keep people from speaking the truth. All right. They

00:55:36.360 want people ashamed. They've shamed winning for the last 20 years. If you're a winner, you're greedy,

00:55:42.060 you're this, you're that don't show your wins or you're not humble. Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah. You

00:55:46.460 know why? Because they don't want people to be inspired to win because when people are inspired to

00:55:51.660 win, they're harder to control. That's right. They're more independent. That's right. That's right.

00:55:58.500 I love to see the wins like cultural side, even, even media. I mean, even, even with what we're

00:56:03.600 doing, you know, this is an element of, of media, right? It's, it's not legacy media. It's a way to

00:56:08.120 get information out to millions and millions of people. We are the fucking media now. Like you and

00:56:13.380 me, Rogan, these guys, Jocko, we are the media. They're not the media anymore. No one trusts them.

00:56:19.400 Their trust cannot be, cannot come back. Like how would you trust the news again? Yeah. There's no way.

00:56:25.840 There's no way. How would you trust the medical system again?

00:56:31.620 Like, dude, there's no going back from the trust that's been burnt here. So the only way to, to,

00:56:37.140 to, to restore that trust is to build new. And that's an opportunity. There's opportunity there,

00:56:44.500 right? Well, I'm doing it, you know, Jocko and Pete are doing it with origin.

00:56:49.060 I was going to say the same thing. Yep. Origin with their new hunt line and American manufacturing,

00:56:52.820 you guys are doing it with your facilities. No one's going to buy this woke fucking camo shit.

00:56:57.420 They're going to buy origin shit. That's right. That's right. Like, bro, when, when, when I get,

00:57:01.880 when I get first form where it's going to be, no one's going to be buying Nike. They're going to be

00:57:05.080 buying our shit. That's it. As it should be. Yeah. The other, the other area I see it is in education.

00:57:11.960 You know, we got guys like Matt Boudreau, who, who's a mutual friend who are coming up with

00:57:16.940 incredible alternative education options. Uh, and you see Arizona, uh, trying to pass bills that give

00:57:25.000 money to parents for school choice. These are the things that needs to happen. And they're happening

00:57:30.540 at a rapid pace. It seems like. Oh yeah. I don't do listen.

00:57:37.220 The main thing I think culturally we're swinging. Here's what we hear. Listen, you want to know what

00:57:43.620 I'm concerned about. And I think, you know, me enough to know that I'm, I'm seeing years. And

00:57:48.520 like when I'm talking, even, even when you and I are talking like a couple of weeks ago,

00:57:53.280 we were talking back and forth. I'm talking about shit three, three, four years down the road all

00:57:57.900 the time. Right. Right. So when you, if you talk to me in person and you asked me what I think,

00:58:03.580 I'm talking not about tomorrow or the next week, I'm talking about three, four years.

00:58:08.780 I think the thing that culture needs to be aware of and what I'm already starting to see,

00:58:17.720 you know, America is designed to be a free society is designed for multi for a multitude of cultures

00:58:26.060 to come here from different places, be able to practice their customs and their cultures

00:58:32.000 and not be persecuted against. And we are all to align with certain American values that way

00:58:38.760 we do shit here in America. Okay. That might be your yard over here, but now we're in my yard.

00:58:43.120 You can do whatever you want in my yard, but you're not going to do this or that or this.

00:58:47.740 Right. And there's a few things that this, that, this, that, and this, that people have been

00:58:52.600 allowed to do that have to stop. All right. And history shows us this. Okay. The pendulum

00:59:01.560 is always swinging. And here's the problem with what, what, what I'm about to say. And this,

00:59:07.600 this, this is good and bad news. It's going to be good for everybody who wants America to win.

00:59:13.080 It's going to be bad because it can be bad. All right. And what's happening right now is,

00:59:20.420 is the pendulum is swinging back from this far left shit that didn't ever take. They tried to get it to

00:59:27.840 take. It didn't take. And it's swinging back and, and, and they're causing so much damage and so much

00:59:34.240 pain and so much harassment and, and reasonable Americans have been attacked and persecuted and

00:59:42.120 canceled and doxed and harassed by this group of 2%, 1% of people on the far, far left. Right.

00:59:51.300 And that pendulum is going to swing back and it's going to swing back really fucking far.

00:59:57.000 All right. And that's dangerous because the way this pendulum is swinging is towards the people

01:00:05.280 that own the weapons and the guns. And while I'm off pro gun and I'm pro weapon, I think we should

01:00:11.780 have tanks and helicopters and Apaches and shit, if we can afford them. The problem is, is, is not

01:00:18.960 Trump. People say, Oh, Trump's crazy, dude. These people who say that shit better, they better hope

01:00:24.920 that Trump gets elected because Trump is reasonable. There's a possibility because of the pendulum

01:00:31.940 swinging back so hard that a more extreme example of a leader could emerge. Okay. And that leader

01:00:40.800 could say things like, all these people wanted to put you in camp. So they wanted to kill you.

01:00:46.880 All these people did this and this and this, and they wanted to hurt you. And it would be very easy

01:00:52.000 to rile a large majority of people up to create a genocidal situation, which is Hitler. That's

01:01:00.620 listen, Ryan, most people don't know the truth about Hitler and that whole situation because it's

01:01:05.480 omitted from school. Okay. People, they do not teach what happened between world war one and the end of

01:01:12.380 world war two in school. He was going to redeem Germany after embarrassing losses. That's correct.

01:01:18.560 And he was also a patriot of Germany. He was a man who was pro German. The problem with Hitler was

01:01:25.140 he was so far that way that he's fucking hated people who weren't. Okay. And we have, he was a,

01:01:33.420 the reason he was able to kill these people and do the things that he did was because the, the social

01:01:40.180 climate was so far the other way to when he came in. All right. When he came in during the Weimar

01:01:46.240 Republic, there was fucking child prostitution, sexualization, trans, uh, all the trans things

01:01:52.900 that are happening now were happening at that time. And what happened was people in Germany got so

01:01:58.100 fucking sick of it that they were like willing to elect someone who promised to take care of the

01:02:03.400 problem forever. And America is going to have to show some restraint to not allow that because it's

01:02:10.300 not right. It's not right. And so I see all these conservatives just attacking these people. You

01:02:18.560 have to remember that the people that you're attacking, bro, just like, have you seen all the

01:02:22.540 things about these D transitioners, these kids who transitioned and then had to transition back.

01:02:28.580 Okay. Yeah. A little bit, but I don't know what you're referring to though.

01:02:32.720 That's a big story right now. There's a lot of D transitioners coming out right now saying, Hey,

01:02:38.080 these teachers manipulated me, society manipulated me to do these things and they were wrong. Okay.

01:02:44.700 Now, if you think about these people that the right is just attacking, attacking, attacking,

01:02:51.260 attacking, a lot of these people are well, well, good hearted people that were heavily manipulated by

01:02:57.560 people who are fucking evil. And some of them so, so much so that they cut off their genitals. Okay.

01:03:05.720 These are, this doesn't mean those people are bad. It means that they were taken advantage of.

01:03:10.400 And so we need to hold the people who have done these things accountable. Okay. But we have to

01:03:17.600 understand that the people who harassed us and people who, uh, you know, tried to get us fired

01:03:25.840 from our jobs or closed our businesses or did all these things the past two years, uh, made us take

01:03:30.560 medicine that we didn't want, which I didn't take obviously. But, uh, but the point is, is that we have

01:03:36.600 to remember that those people are victimized and, and, and they're not the enemy, bro. We, we are all

01:03:41.960 Americans. They, they are the result of a tyrannical government that is out of fucking control. Okay.

01:03:48.880 And, and dude, so we have to be, that's what I think, you know, do I think the pendulum is going

01:03:53.920 to swing back? Yes. Do I think they're going to try to cheat in November? Yes. But I think the gap is

01:03:59.300 so big, they won't be able to do it. And I think they know that if they do cheat with the gap that big,

01:04:03.860 it's going to result in heads on stakes, uh, like the old days, you know what I'm saying? So, um,

01:04:09.800 that's kind of my assessment of the situation. I think, I think we're going to, America is going

01:04:14.820 to win. I think America will become, I like what Trump says, make America great again. I don't think

01:04:21.420 that we need to make it great again. I think we need to make a great period. I don't think America

01:04:25.700 has ever lived up to its actual standards of what it could be or what it was supposed to be. I think

01:04:31.080 we laid out a document and a structure that is very, very much. So an effective structure and document,

01:04:37.780 uh, and rules of a Republic, but they haven't been followed. And we've been fighting for 240

01:04:44.100 something years to, for, for all kinds of things like equality for rights, uh, et cetera, et cetera,

01:04:50.020 et cetera. Now we're finally here. They're trying to throw us back into all that shit because they

01:04:54.900 don't know where to go from here because it doesn't benefit them. Cause what benefits humanity

01:04:59.180 is for all of us to exercise our American freedoms and the capitalism, uh, society that we live in

01:05:06.200 to create and become the best versions of ourselves as a country and individuals.

01:05:11.360 And that doesn't serve them. So what they're trying to do now is destroy all the progress

01:05:16.540 that we made for 240 something years to create a scenario, uh, that they can have control and,

01:05:23.180 and, and, uh, they're not going to win. This is going to be the time they lose.

01:05:27.780 Well, I really, and I hope that's the case. And obviously we're working towards that. I really

01:05:31.580 enjoyed your 4th of July episode about pursuing excellence because a lot of the times people

01:05:36.280 will get riled up by what you're saying in a positive way and they'll get excited about it.

01:05:40.720 And then they feel like, well, what do I do? It's like do yourself, like take care of yourself,

01:05:46.120 take care of your family, start businesses, grow organizations, rally around community members.

01:05:51.320 And sometimes I fear that people don't think that's enough, but if you have 300 plus million

01:05:57.060 people doing that, that's more than enough. Bro, we could change the culture in one fucking

01:06:02.720 calendar year. If every single American, if, if a hundred million Americans, okay, not even every

01:06:08.840 single one, a third of the country said, I'm going to, for this next year, I'm going to give it all I

01:06:15.860 have to become the best version of myself. I'm going to set the best exit. And by the way,

01:06:21.820 it's not enough to want it for yourself. You have to want it for America and want it for your

01:06:25.540 neighbor and want it for your community. Because at the end of the day, like I said earlier in the

01:06:29.580 show, the main motivating factor for most humans is not themselves. It's what it's when they're

01:06:34.000 letting other people down. And what America needs to have, have happened is they need to come to the

01:06:38.540 realization. Every man, every woman listening to the show needs to come to the realization that I had

01:06:44.500 back in 2015, 16 about me failing my own guys and my own team. Uh, only we're failing this country.

01:06:51.940 That's the realization that people have to come to. And when they come to that and they realize,

01:06:57.260 holy shit, I'm just a fat plebe who's sitting on the couch, not doing shit with my life. And I'm setting

01:07:02.900 an example for all my other neighbors to do the same. Um, and I'm failing this country and I'm causing

01:07:08.460 this country to die because of it. That's a different kind of, of pressure because most people do love

01:07:13.560 America in my dream. Agreed. And that's the pressure we need. Andy, I appreciate you, man. I always have.

01:07:19.980 I've enjoyed our friendship. I've enjoyed even our disagreements. It's been, it's been awesome to know

01:07:25.060 you. Um, you've been instrumental in my life. Uh, also just to plug for the real AF podcast guys, go

01:07:32.560 listen. The commentary is amazing. You guys are hilarious. Number one, but also spot on with your

01:07:37.260 commentary. And it's something that I just don't think you're going to see in legacy media and something

01:07:41.620 that needs to be more shared. So I appreciate the work you're doing there as well. All that's

01:07:45.520 mutual, bro. A hundred percent, man. I've watched you start this show and I've watched you build it

01:07:49.480 in one of the top podcasts in the world. Um, we've been friends for a long time. I appreciate

01:07:53.720 everything you're doing. Uh, I especially appreciate our disagreements because you always have a way of

01:07:58.440 getting me to see things in a different way and getting me to calm down a little bit from where I'm

01:08:02.560 at. And, uh, that's one of the things I appreciate most about you, bro, is that no matter how fired up I

01:08:07.240 get or no matter what, how passionate I am, you always have a way to bring me back to

01:08:11.600 center. Uh, and not many people can do that. So I really, really appreciate that about you, bro.

01:08:16.480 Thank you. That means a lot. All right, brother. I'll let you get going. I know you're a busy man.

01:08:20.100 Guys, make sure you check out what Andy's up to and, uh, keep up the good fight. We'll see you,

01:08:23.800 brother. All right. See you, bro. Thank you. All right, man. There you go. The one and only

01:08:29.120 Andy Priscilla. I knew you would enjoy this conversation. I hope that you did. A lot of you guys follow

01:08:33.680 Andy, but you know, when he comes on my podcast or even other shows that he does, I think you begin to see

01:08:39.300 a different side, a more well-rounded side to who this man is and the incredible person he is.

01:08:46.040 And, and the ability that he has to share and distill concepts and ideas into practical

01:08:54.920 application for us. So I would encourage you to connect with Andy on the gram, connect with me on

01:09:00.180 the gram. As I said earlier, it takes 60 seconds, leave a rating and review, follow me on Instagram.

01:09:06.300 There's no reason we shouldn't have a million followers on Instagram. Follow me on Twitter,

01:09:10.200 follow me on Facebook, whatever. Um, I'm sharing a lot of personal commentary that goes above and

01:09:15.120 beyond what I'm just sharing here in the podcast. So there will be value there. And I'm very active.

01:09:19.740 If you've ever wondered about like, how do I connect with Ryan? How do I get with Ryan? How do I ask him

01:09:23.720 a question? How do I even just connect in some degree? Instagram is probably the best place to do

01:09:29.200 that. I'm very active over there. And I try to respond to direct messages and, and to, uh,

01:09:34.360 the comments that you guys make on the posts, as long as they're done in respect, I'll throw that

01:09:38.140 caveat in there. So guys connect with Andy, connect with me, take a screenshot, share,

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ANDY FRISELLA ｜ Get Better Until You Die

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