Animal Encounters ｜ COYOTE PETERSON
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In this episode of the Order of Man Podcast, host Ryan Michler sits down with wildlife educator, father, husband, and friend, Nathaniel "Coyote" Peterson. They discuss the dangers of over-exercising in the wild, the unintended consequences of excessive human interaction with nature, and the importance of living life to the fullest.
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I haven't always been as appreciative of the wild and nature and wildlife as I am now,
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but with me getting involved in hunting over the past several years, I've been more intimately
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connected to the outdoors than I ever have been. So when Coyote Peterson's team reached out,
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I knew that this would make for a very interesting discussion. And if you have children,
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they're really, really going to like this one. Today, we talk about nature, encouraging youth
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to get involved in the wild, the unintended consequences of excessive human interaction
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with nature, where Coyote and I disagree on hunting and ultimately some of his craziest
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animal encounters. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears
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and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.
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You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is
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who you are. This is who you will become at the end of the day. And after all is said and done,
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you can call yourself a man. Gentlemen, what is going on today? My name is Ryan Michler and I
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am the host and the founder of this podcast and the movement that is Order of Man. Like I do every
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week, I want to welcome you. This is a podcast dedicated to giving you the conversations and
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All right, guys, let me introduce you to my guest today. His name is Nathaniel Coyote Peterson.
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He's a wildlife educator. He's the host of the brave wilderness YouTube channel.
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Uh, they have nearly 15 million subscribers on that channel. So we've got a little, uh,
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a little room to go to catch up to them. Uh, I was first introduced actually to Coyote by my two
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oldest sons while they were on YouTube. Uh, they asked me to come watch this quote unquote crazy
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guy who gets stung by animals on purpose. Uh, that's was my introduction to him. We talk about
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that on the podcast. Uh, he's also the author of four books, the host of a new animal planet television
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show set to be aired early next year. Uh, and the recipient of an Emmy for one of his series is
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called breaking trail. Again, this one's a little different than you might be used to on the order
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of man podcast. But if you're interested in hearing our intelligent disagreement discussion,
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uh, about hunting, and if you have children, you're definitely, definitely going to want to tune
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into this one. Uh, I hope you enjoy my podcast with the fascinating and interesting Coyote Peterson.
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Coyote, what's going on, man? Thanks for joining me on the podcast today.
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Hey, thanks for having me. So I got to admit, I actually didn't know about you until probably,
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I would say three or four months. And my two oldest boys, I have four kids, but my two oldest
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boys showed me this video of this wild man getting stung by who knows what. And that was my first
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introduction to you. Hey, these sting episodes keep on stinging is what it sounds like. That means you
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just haven't been watching a lot of YouTube over the course of the past three years here.
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I really don't, but you know, in, in getting ready for our conversation today, I mean,
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I saw that you have, I think you're just under 15 million subscribers on YouTube.
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Yeah. It's crazy. Right. And that's what over the past, you said three years.
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Uh, yeah, well the channel officially launched in September of 2015. So we're about to turn
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four years. Well, we just actually turned four years old. Uh, gosh, it was just a, it's just coming
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actually what's, what's the date today? Today's September 10th, right?
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Yes, sir. Oh, actually. Yeah. The birthday of brave wilderness is on September 14th. So
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holy cow. Yeah. We're coming right up on it. Yeah. It's, it's gone by in a hurry. That's
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for sure. Yeah. That's a, what do you attribute to the success to? I mean, a lot of people start
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YouTube channels, but not a lot of people have that level of success.
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Right. Um, you know, certainly the bite and sting content greatly escalated people's interest
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in checking out the channel. But to be honest with you, the bite and sting content is only about
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5% of what we do on the YouTube channel. Uh, this was all designed to be an educational
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and conservation based, uh, center for bringing animals to people within the digital space.
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And it's a, it's a difficult field. I mean, you know, anything with animals is how do you
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really capture and keep people's attention? And once we started realizing that me putting
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myself under the experimental microscope of what happens if you experience that worst
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case scenario where you're bitten or stung by something, what are the effects? What is the
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human body going to go through? Uh, it certainly seemed to grab people's attention and then they
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love the bites and stings and stuck around for all the other stuff as well.
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Did you feel like when you threw yourself into this arena that it was saturated, that there was
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so many people doing it that, that you would have some big shoes to fill? Like what were your
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thoughts when you were actually thinking about starting your, your YouTube channel? And that's where
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it started, right? It all started on YouTube. It really did. As far as you know, the world knows,
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um, for a number of years, my business partner, Mark Vince, and I were originally trying to get
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this concept picked up as a television show. Um, essentially had pretty much every, every network
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that's out there, close the door on us and say, yeah, you know, the whole people going out to
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encounter animals and be a single person host is just not really working right now for any
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television networks. Um, and at the time it's when there were more like these ensemble casts and
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we refused to take no for an answer. And that's when we ended up discovering that, you know, well,
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YouTube is a great place where people are getting tons of views. We never imagined it would grow to
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this level, but we at least knew that we would be able to produce content that we were proud of
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that we could share with an audience. We would have been thrilled only ever making it to a hundred
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thousand subscribers, feeling like we're reaching that number of people, but to now be at nearly 15
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million. It's, it's, it's a dream come true. Yeah. So what was the goal? Was, was the goal always to
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create this, I guess I, from the outside looking in, I would say in a way media company centered around
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obviously introducing the public to animal encounters is, is that how you describe it or do
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you describe it as something else? Well, certainly my, my key focus as the person that's presenting the
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animals is to always get generations, whether it's a younger generation, the current generation or an
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older generation excited about animals. We want to educate them about the species that maybe they
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haven't heard of, or maybe there's a certain animal that they're afraid of. And we're hoping to help
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them overcome those fears. It's really about getting animals to as many people as possible. But a lot of
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my background is in screenwriting, producing, and directing. So the filmmaker side of me very much was
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influenced by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas and how they built their brands, their companies,
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and, and did things like star Wars or Jurassic park, um, and really made a culture and a lasting
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legacy out of those properties. Uh, we looked at the world of animals and adventure and said,
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you know, nobody's really doing this right now. Certainly we had things like planet earth, but,
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um, since the passing of Steve Irwin, uh, there really was not many people doing hosted animal
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adventure shows and we just really felt it was the best way to reach an audience, get into the
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environment, interact, and show the audience just how cool these creatures are. Yeah. I mean, it's,
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it's pretty incredible what you're doing and my boys continue to show me videos of all you've got,
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you've got going on, but you know, you bring up Steve, Steve Irwin is, is he somebody that you,
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I don't know, maybe he was a hero of yours. I think you and I were born, what, in the early eighties,
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right? So he probably was somebody that you, uh, grew up watching and seeing and was a lot of what
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you're doing inspired by him or other people. Um, I mean, he's a huge influence on me. He's
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gay. I know anybody that loves animals is, is going to say that, um, Steve was one of the biggest,
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but you know, I watch everything that's animals and adventure, whether it dates back to mutual
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Volna Hall's wild kingdom. I've seen every episode they've ever produced. I love Jeff Corwin.
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I love Austin Stevens. I grew up on a guy named Marty Stauffer who did a show called wild America.
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Um, but even a lot of the adventures that are, are relevant and working today, Casey Anderson,
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who does a lot of work with, um, grizzly bears. He's done some shows on that geo. I love Jeremy
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Wade who does river monsters, bear grills, who did man versus wild. And now his plethora of shows,
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um, even like the, one of the newer shows, the animal planet has called extinct or alive with a host
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named Forrest Galante. I love seeing all these guys that love adventures.
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They're, they're getting out there, they're bringing a camera crew with them and they're
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educating people about the world that most of us don't ever get the chance to see.
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Yeah. I mean, we live in this concrete jungle, most of us anyways, and our exposure to nature
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and the wild and animals is, is very, very limited. My wife and I, and our family just moved here to
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Maine and we're a little bit more rural than even we were in the past. And man, it's nice to be able
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to just go outside on our property every night and walk around. And we've got some trail cams out and
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we're, we're picking up deer and other animals. And even just that limited exposure is actually
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really powerful. And you're right though. Most people just, they don't get it. You know,
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the most they get is their dog or their cat that's inside with them. And that's it. Domesticated
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animals. You know what you have in Maine? That's pretty cool. Bloodworms. If you guys haven't seen
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the bloodworm episode that we did in Maine, definitely check it out. It was like one of our biggest
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sneaker hits. We could have never fathomed. I think the video has something, I mean,
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it's upwards to like the tune of like 40 some million views, uh, about these worms that live
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in the mud flats when the tide recedes and anybody can go out and find them. Um, we did an episode
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on them in Maine and just, it was a creature I never even knew existed. And I, I, I bring that up
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because it's an animal like that. They can garner the interest of millions of people and you didn't
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even know it was there. And it's honestly probably right in your backyard. Yeah. That's interesting
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because I haven't heard of them. I, I assume are, are they just, are they blood suckers or what,
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what, what is it about them? Um, the bloodworm name comes pretty much from the color of what they
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are. They're red, but they have this crazy mouth, this proboscis that comes out of their body. So
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it looks like a normal earthworm, like a huge nightcrawler, but then it has this alien type
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mouth with these four prong teeth and they, they're, they're a carnivorous worm species. So
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they bite and inject this anticoagulant into their prey. And then essentially like that breaks down
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their insides. And then they slowly slurp it up like the grossest slushy you might ever imagine
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having, um, such a bizarre alien type creature. And it's a worm. How are millions of people
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interested in a worm? I don't know. I found a way to film it and show them. So glad they enjoy it.
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Do they, what do they feed on? Do they feed on fish or you said they're, you said they're in the,
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Yeah. So they're, they're in the mud. They're feasting on, on other, uh, insects, small.
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It's, um, I imagine if they could catch a small fish, they would, but they also specialize in,
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in eating other worms. So they're kind of subterranean, just creepy looking creature.
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And yeah, when the tide recedes, if you go out into the mud flats and dig back chunks of mud,
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Interesting. Yeah. We're definitely gonna, we're definitely gonna have to check that out.
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You know, the other thing I admire you too about is you talked about these networks shutting you
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down. And so you decided in a way to take the backdoor route, which I think is becoming
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increasingly common. And that's taking it in your own hands and creating what you want to create.
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And now these networks are, are coming to you in a way it sounds like, because you've got a new
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series coming up on, uh, on, uh, animal planet, right? And, uh, that's pretty cool to be able to
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Well, getting to do something with discovery communications and certainly with animal
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planet, it's, I mean, like that's the childhood dream come true. If you exist in the world that
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I exist in where you want to work with animals, you know, the two big wigs are Nat Geo and animal
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planet. And I love them both, but I grew up with animal planet. Steve Irwin was a part of animal
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planet, Jeremy Wade. I mean, to get to follow the legacy that's been established there and not have
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the chance to produce what, what we believe is going to be the most action-based, uh, exciting
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animal series that's ever been produced. Um, it, it sounds cliche, but it really is a dream come
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true. And we worked incredibly hard over the course of the past four years to put our YouTube channel
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in the position that it's in and now getting to work with the network. It's amazing. My entire team
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over there is so supportive. And a lot of people were afraid that, okay, coyote is getting a TV show.
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He's going to lose all control, yada, yada, yada. But it's exactly the opposite. Uh, the relationship
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that we have is very much putting myself and my team in the driver's seat of the series.
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I'm writing the stories behind each and every episode, choosing the locations, choosing the
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target species. I mean, it is truly a brave wilderness show, um, coming through the animal
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planet network. How do you feel like it's going to be different than what's already been done?
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Because there has been a lot, uh, and there's a lot of shows, I guess, similar to this that are
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out there. So how do you begin to differentiate yourself and, and to create that, like I said,
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differentiation in what you're doing? Well, a big part of it actually has to do with the
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advancements in technology, right? So let's just use Steve Irwin as an example. Now I'll go back and
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watch old Steve Irwin episodes and absolutely adore them for what they are. And they were the best
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animal adventure shows at the time, but the camera teams that were producing these shows were also
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running around with these giant shoulder mount cameras that couldn't get wet. They had to be
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strategic in how they got the shots. And it was, it was weird because you can kind of see in some of
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the episodes where Steve is almost limited in a certain sense, based on his ability to get into
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the environment and make these interactions happen. But with today's technology, that the types of cameras
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that we're using, they're much more nimble. They're capable of getting muddy. They're capable of getting
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wet. Um, so it's a combination of using really, um, I don't want to say low budget cameras, but
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they're, they're cameras that can get into the environment and you're not worried about like
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getting them muddy or even possibly destroying them. But then we're also combining it with really
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high end cameras, the kind of stuff that you would be shooting planet earth on. So we found a way to
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marry the grittiness of YouTube with the beauty of planet earth. And that is the concoction of a show
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that we are, that we are producing right now. And it's, it's going to be something else. I'm
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telling you, it's, it's, we've got most of the episodes in the can right now. And I think it's
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going to knock some socks off. Yeah. I think that's the beauty of, of social media and the beauty of,
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even with, with YouTube is that you really can give people a perspective that isn't completely
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polished. And I'm not saying the show won't be polished, but I think there's this, there's,
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there's always been a disconnect when, when you have your, your viewers and you have a network,
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there's this disconnect that is difficult to bridge, especially when you're talking about
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being in nature. Cause when you go outside, you can feel it, you can smell it. It's very intimate,
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right? And, and that disconnect I imagine is something that's difficult to bridge for your line
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of work. Yeah, I would, I would agree. And I think part of that disconnect also comes from never seeing
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the people that are operating the cameras or the sound equipment. And we actually have a lot of that
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that is bled into our content on YouTube, but really bleeds in with the animal planet series.
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Um, and the work and the extent that we're going to, to get these shots, the time that it takes to
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find and have these animal encounters. That's the other thing I think a lot of people don't realize is
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you don't just walk outside into an environment and magically that animal shows up. One of our jokes
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is that we always have is, you know, an animal doesn't have a call sheet. There's no guarantee
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that anything will be there on any, and there's so many factors that play into whether or not you're
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going to have a successful encounter from time of day to weather to, um, the right seasonality.
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So we're working very hard to have the encounters, have them happen completely naturally. And you're
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really being able to see that through this style of show that we're making.
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Yeah. I'm glad you bring that up because even just over the past several weeks or so,
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my, uh, my oldest son and I have set up some, and I told you some trail cams around the property.
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And it's, he had this idea that if we just set it up, that, that we would immediately start
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capturing these animals. And although I'd love to have them enter on cue, you're right. It just
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doesn't happen like that. And I see, I think that's another disconnect is that when you go outside,
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you're going to see these magnificent creatures without having to work for it. And, and it is work.
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You do have to put yourself in the environment. You do have to have time in, in nature and,
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and you'll start to see and have more of these experiences and encounters.
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I'm curious about, I mean, obviously we're going to talk about conservation efforts and,
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and why this work is so important. But as I was thinking about what I wanted to discuss,
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I thought it'd be really interesting to get your perspective on, uh, how we as humans interact
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with nature and animals, obviously from the conservation side, but an interesting side to
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talk about would be, would be hunting. Are you a hunter by chance?
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Um, I'm not, I am not opposed to hunting if hunting is done in the right context, right? So I don't have
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any sort of support to ever offer for predator hunting people that go out and shoot bears or shoot
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lions. And, you know, there, there is a science behind keeping populations within control in some
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of these foreign countries. I can say that I can see a certain side of that, but it's still not
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something that I'm in support of. Um, when it comes to hunting to feed your family, if you're
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somebody that goes out and hunts deer or hunts Turkey or, or ducks, whatever it might be, it's one
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thing to hunt. If you're providing sustenance for the people that are directly, directly related to
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your life or other people that you were connected to, but to aimlessly hunt, just to collect trophies
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or to shoot animals, to say that you did it. I just really don't see the point. And, and with
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predators specifically, there's so few predators on our planet now, which are natural balance to the
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ecosystem. Um, I live in Ohio, right? Uh, the only real sort of apex land predator that we have is,
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is a coyote and coyotes are not controlling the white tail deer, deer population. There are deer
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everywhere. They are so habituated to humans at this point. They just hang out in people's
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backyards, but we don't have any large cats or, or really any bears or any wolves that can help
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control that population. So, you know, we, as humans have offset the balance of the ecosystem,
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um, keeping the predators where they should be is very important, but it's people's fear of,
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oh my gosh, wolves are going to attack me. That is, have driven us to, you know, eliminate so many
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of these animals off the face of the planet, which is, is a really sad thing.
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Yeah. What about, uh, even predator hunting where you do consume the animals? Because there are those
00:21:12.280
who hunt a bear, for example, that, that do eat and consume the animal. So it sounds like the issue
00:21:17.980
is more the fact that you wouldn't be consuming it, that you're just hunting for the sake of hunting.
00:21:24.360
Yeah. I mean, look, I can also make the argument that why would you ever need to hunt and eat a bear?
00:21:29.800
I mean, are you like, do you like bear meat that much where you're like, yep, I'm going
00:21:34.760
bear hunting today so I can eat a bear. Look, if you live in the middle of Alaska and you're living
00:21:40.240
off the land and you can't get yourself a moose or a deer and you're like, I'm going to have to eat
00:21:46.360
that bear. I mean, I guess eat the bear, but you know, if you're going to go out and hunt bears so
00:21:52.200
that you can have a bearskin rug, that is absolutely unacceptable. But, um, look, if you're going to eat
00:21:58.340
something to survive, I can be in support of it, but it doesn't mean that I have to understand it.
00:22:03.760
Everybody has their own perspective and their reason for what they do. But me personally,
00:22:07.860
I would most likely end up taking a bear attack before I would even get, even shoot a bear if
00:22:15.120
No, it's good. I mean, these are the conversations. And although I think you and I would probably
00:22:18.440
disagree a little bit on that, these are the types of conversations that are, that are really
00:22:21.880
important. And I think they get lost in, in social media. We have these polar opposites and
00:22:27.420
people never have these nuanced conversations to be able to discuss these ideas civilly and
00:22:32.400
respectfully and intelligently as well. Right. I mean, look, if we can find a way to properly
00:22:38.500
take care of the animals that most humans consume on a daily basis, right. Take better care of our
00:22:43.960
livestock, the cows and the chickens and the turkeys. And we have that as a really well working form of
00:22:49.600
the consumption of meat. You know, it would make more sense then to be like, all right, well now let's
00:22:55.740
look at some of the other things we can eat. But again, going back to like, why would you ever need
00:23:00.400
to eat a bear? I just, I, but couldn't you say that about, couldn't you say that about a deer
00:23:06.560
or a turkey or any number of animals? You could, except for the fact that the deer population is
00:23:12.280
so abundant. There's nothing wrong with hunting a deer and eating a deer given the right deer
00:23:18.020
hunting season. What I'm saying is that there are so few bears out in the environment today.
00:23:23.080
What good does it do to eat one of these bears at this point? When you look, if we had hundreds of
00:23:29.260
thousands of bears roaming all over the state of Ohio, or, you know, I'm in New York right now,
00:23:35.120
or you're in Maine, it may make a little more sense to say, okay, we've got to dial this population back
00:23:39.920
a little bit. Let's everybody take, you know, get a license to, to take a bear this year. But that's
00:23:45.180
just simply not the case. We need more efforts to conserve some of these predators. Cause like I said,
00:23:50.500
those are the ones that are helping to naturally balance the ecosystem.
00:23:53.760
Yeah. I, you know, I don't know the numbers of bear population and things like that, but you,
00:23:57.600
you do bring up a very valid point. And one that I agree with is that we do have to regulate
00:24:02.960
our interaction with these species, whether that's, uh, propping certain species up because that's what
00:24:08.580
they need from us or managing those species by, by killing and consuming these animals. Certainly.
00:24:14.280
I completely agree with that. One thing you did say is that we, um, have offset the balance. Are you
00:24:20.680
talking about over, over hunting and encroaching upon these environments or how else do you see
00:24:25.820
us quote unquote offsetting the, uh, the balance with these animals in nature?
00:24:30.500
Well, let me rephrase that and saying, it's not so much the balance that we've offset today. This
00:24:35.640
is something that's taken, you know, the entire course of human civilization into what's just called
00:24:40.900
the United States. This isn't every single country, but you know, people naturally fear
00:24:45.160
predators. And, and one of the, my main goals with everything that I'm doing is to educate people
00:24:50.600
about the species specifically that you may be afraid of. And that's not just like the spiders
00:24:55.160
and the snakes and the scorpions, but even things like bears or wolverines or wolves. Um, they have
00:25:01.400
such a bad reputation that a lot of these animals have been killed simply out of fear. You know, people
00:25:07.320
that are shooting wolves that show up on the property while yes, they may be possibly consuming
00:25:12.180
your livestock more often than not, something like a wolf is shot because people are afraid
00:25:16.840
of what it is. And unless wolf in the environment means hundreds of more deer that will then in turn
00:25:23.280
destroy more crops, you know, there's, there's all a, an offset to what is the proper balance. And
00:25:29.900
while we've had a negative impact on it for a long time, I think one of my main goals and a lot of
00:25:35.660
people who, you know, working through a conservation or an educational direction is to find a way to
00:25:41.300
help equal out that balance, right. Or help people understand that that balance even exists because
00:25:47.000
it's something most people don't even think about. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're a hundred percent
00:25:50.580
correct. I think there's all sorts of unintended consequences of doing what we might on the surface
00:25:55.440
think is, is a good idea, like taking out a wolf population and not realizing how that trickles
00:26:01.260
down or impacts the, uh, the environment that, that we live in and, and ends up hurting other
00:26:07.220
animals and hurting ourselves in the long run as well. Right. So, so, you know, from my angle,
00:26:12.600
and this is why I really wanted to have this conversation is, you know, I tend to be more,
00:26:16.900
more on that, that hunting side and we can conserve through management of numbers and environments,
00:26:21.800
et cetera, et cetera. How would you describe your conservation efforts and, and the movement in the,
00:26:28.740
the, the, that you're trying to lead and the, and the charge that you're trying to make?
00:26:33.920
I really believe it. It all starts with the youth, with kids. So for example, the, the,
00:26:39.320
the book that we have that just is coming out today, uh, this new brave adventures, it's the
00:26:44.300
second volume of the brave adventure series called Epic encounters in the animal kingdom.
00:26:48.220
This is about the stories. There are stories about the adventures that I've had there. There are
00:26:53.060
episodes that are played on YouTube, but there's some of our biggest adventures, uh, lions,
00:26:56.800
elephants, wolverines, uh, spectacled caiman, uh, killer whales. All of these things are these,
00:27:02.900
these big iconic species. And to answer your question, my work for conservation comes in
00:27:09.340
educating kids, getting them excited about these animals. Um, especially at a, at a really young
00:27:14.680
age where then as they grow into grade school and high school and college, and finally their careers,
00:27:20.540
they may be the ones that end up making the difference that puts a certain species on a protected
00:27:26.420
list or they get involved with an organization that, you know, save something that was on the
00:27:32.520
brink of extinction. Um, it all really begins with having an education and a knowledge of what's
00:27:38.720
happening with our planet and what the creatures are that are inhabiting it. And if we can get you
00:27:43.200
interested there, there's a good chance you will continue, continue developing on your own
00:27:46.980
to make that difference. Yeah. I know I've definitely seen this in my oldest son,
00:27:51.940
my second son, he's all about cars and things that go fast and are really loud. Um, who knows what my,
00:27:57.360
my youngest is interested in yet a little bit of everything, anything that he can destroy he's
00:28:01.580
interested in. Uh, but, but my oldest son, man, he loves animals. He's always had this affinity
00:28:07.660
towards them. He's always been, uh, tuned in in a way or, or plugged into animals. And, and I don't
00:28:16.180
know if the way they feel is necessarily the right terminology, but there just seems to be an
00:28:21.700
understanding between him and in the animals that he's engaged with. It's pretty cool to see because
00:28:26.820
it's different than I'm used to. Well, yeah. And that I'll tell you, that is a very special
00:28:31.880
thing. And it's something that you really need to get behind and foster because, you know, look,
00:28:36.620
I was a kid that had a very diverse background. I actually also like cars myself. I like construction
00:28:43.020
equipment. I like sports. I like a plethora of things, but, but growing up animals were the thing
00:28:48.960
to me that was always the most special. It's the thing that's the most special to me now as an adult.
00:28:53.160
And it's kids like your son who is into animals that I want to get behind and support. You know,
00:28:59.640
it's not the superhero culture. It's not, you know, the, the big sports culture. It's a completely
00:29:05.920
unique niche onto its own. But the thing that is so amazing about animals through and through
00:29:11.640
throughout our entire existence on this planet is that animals have always been here. They will
00:29:16.500
always be there. And they're always going to fascinate us at some point in our lives. Usually that point
00:29:21.340
is when you're younger. And if that, if you get that bug, right, if you get that love for animals,
00:29:25.780
it sticks with you continuously. And you'll, you'd be very hard pressed to find any adults that are
00:29:31.080
like, yep, nope, I just don't like anything or want anything to do with animals. Right, right.
00:29:36.000
You meet somebody like that. You're kind of like, I'm not sure I can trust you.
00:29:39.260
That's a great point because there's definitely, I talk about that a lot with my dog. I'm like,
00:29:43.740
man, if my dog doesn't trust you or it has a problem with you, then that throws up a red flag.
00:29:47.940
There's something there that puts me a little bit more on edge. If I know my dog doesn't like you.
00:29:53.060
Yeah. Dogs are a wonderful gauge of being able to read people and their intentions. And that's,
00:30:00.680
you know, that's that incredible, like sixth or seventh or eighth, who knows what sense it is that
00:30:05.080
animals have. And, you know, they say that certain animals can, can sense fear. I don't know how true
00:30:11.600
that is or isn't, but animals can certainly sense a human's demeanor. If you mean harm, if you have
00:30:18.200
ill intention, or if you're curious, if you love your experience. And, and in most of those instances,
00:30:24.460
for people that have a unique encounter with an animal that it may be their first encounter with
00:30:30.840
an animal that they didn't expect that they would have, it usually sticks with them and for their
00:30:34.520
entire life. Do you think that's true of most or all animals? And, and let me say this, I'm not
00:30:40.040
encouraging you because you have good intentions that you ought to stick your hand down a rattlesnake
00:30:44.140
hole, but do you, do you feel like that's pretty common among all animal species that there is some
00:30:49.860
sort of sense that we don't seem to have or aren't in tune with? I feel within my line of work that
00:30:58.740
I have something special when it comes to interacting with animals, but we are always
00:31:05.120
saying to our audience, I've been doing this for a very long time. I know the signs to look for.
00:31:11.000
And even I make mistakes, right? I've received plenty of, of bites and stuff like that unintentionally.
00:31:17.480
Right. And that, that could be because an animal's having an off day. Sometimes you may interact with
00:31:21.680
an animal. It's like, Oh, this is totally cool. You're a human. I'm not scared of you. Animals are only
00:31:26.220
going to get aggressive or defensive if they're feeling threatened. Um, it's why everybody should
00:31:31.340
always admire these creatures from a safe distance. But when I have an interaction with an animal,
00:31:35.920
I really try to place myself in that mindset. That's I'm looking to have it from the purest
00:31:41.300
spot in my heart. I want to have this connection. I want to share the amazingness of this animal with
00:31:47.340
an audience. And while I don't think that an animal necessarily knows that it's going to be the star
00:31:52.960
of a YouTube episode or the star of the planet show, I do feel that they can sense you're not a
00:31:59.020
threat to me. And that's, I think why some of our encounters have been, have been so special and why
00:32:03.600
people have celebrated them, um, to the extent that they have. I think the audience can see that.
00:32:09.100
Are there, uh, are there certain animals? I mean, this might be like a question to a father,
00:32:13.920
like who's your favorite kid, right? But are there, are there certain animals that you just,
00:32:18.880
you just naturally cling to that they're among your favorites?
00:32:23.580
No, I, you know, a lot of people always want to know what is my favorite animal. And, you know,
00:32:27.760
I can pick like favorites over all time, but it usually has more to do with the animal that I'm
00:32:32.580
either currently researching that I'm, I'm going after to try to encounter for an episode or something
00:32:39.300
that I just had an encounter with. Um, for example, we were just in Brazil and I had the most
00:32:44.280
unbelievable encounter with a jaguar, a mother jaguar and her two cubs. We ended up catching
00:32:50.300
unbelievable footage on a trail camera, uh, and, and search for five days and finally managed to
00:32:55.880
see them truly in the wild in this really remote spot of, of Southern Brazil. And I mean, it's a
00:33:02.100
moment that you can go your whole life and never see a jaguar. So to have that moment, um, just
00:33:07.160
captivated me. And now I'm super fascinated with jaguars when I really wasn't before. I mean,
00:33:12.160
I had an awareness of jaguars. I appreciated jaguars, but now I'm kind of obsessed with
00:33:16.440
jaguars. What is your fascination with, with animals? Is there something specific about them
00:33:21.920
that you feel like, man, this is why I'm so fascinated. I'll give you an example. Uh, I asked
00:33:26.540
my son, this was a couple of years ago. I said, what, what do you like so much about animals? I
00:33:31.540
think he was talking about a mountain lion in particular. And he says, dad, I just love the way
00:33:34.820
they move. And you can see their muscles flex and, and just to see how, how their legs and their feet
00:33:41.260
move. Like he's very, very fascinated with this. Uh, is there something like that for you? Or,
00:33:45.960
or is it just this broad sense of understanding and getting to know them?
00:33:51.360
That's a great question. And kudos to your son for recognizing something like that about a
00:33:55.560
mountain lion as compared to like, Oh, I like how they have big teeth.
00:34:01.340
It's a little bit, yeah, it's a little bit more, um, it's different than your normal
00:34:05.080
kid who would see a mountain lion, what they would be excited about. There's something different.
00:34:08.880
Right. Every animal doesn't matter if it's a scorpion, a mountain lion, a humpback whale,
00:34:16.180
a Wolverine, each animal is designed perfectly. We're always searching in lives for the definition
00:34:23.400
of perfection. And it's something that we as humans, unfortunately, we'll never be able to
00:34:27.620
obtain. But each animal individually, whether it's the unique animal itself or an entire species,
00:34:33.560
they all have accomplished perfection in their own right. Their muscular structure,
00:34:38.580
their ability to survive, travel, exist within the environment. It's something that we as humans
00:34:43.940
really can't do. Think about the struggles that we have. If your cell phone runs out of battery and
00:34:49.900
you're not going to be around your phone charger for the next six hours, we panic, right? Um, we're
00:34:55.260
so tied to so many unnatural things as our own unique species of animal on this planet. Yet all of
00:35:02.420
these creatures that exist naturally without the, uh, advancements of technology and society
00:35:07.940
exist perfectly without anything other than what the planet gives them. And I think that's what
00:35:13.600
really fascinates me and why each animal is so special and unique because they're all perfectly
00:35:19.500
designed to survive. Yeah, that's, that's an interesting perspective. I think you're right on
00:35:25.160
with that. Uh, it is sad and I was going to say people, but I would, I would be included in that
00:35:30.620
category that we have made life, our lives so easy through our, through our intelligence and our
00:35:37.620
quest to create a better environment for ourselves that we've really hindered our ability to perfect
00:35:44.240
what our bodies and minds can, can do. I mean, I, I see men and I, fortunately I'm in the position
00:35:50.120
where I have opportunities to talk with some of the most successful men on the planet who have
00:35:55.360
developed in a certain aspect, but I've, I've yet to have met somebody who's perfected anything like
00:36:01.360
an animal has perfected his ability to adapt to the environment. It's pretty incredible.
00:36:06.680
Well, it's interesting that you said that we've made things easier for ourselves, but have we made
00:36:11.260
it easier or have we made it harder? If we were back in a more primal stage, certainly there would be
00:36:17.300
a fair share of struggles, but I, I often will fantasize about, man, what it would have been
00:36:22.840
like to be one of the early explorers, you know, coming across the United States for the first time
00:36:28.000
and a much more simplistic way of life, but a much more dangerous way of life. It's, it's got its pros
00:36:32.840
and cons, but it's a, a very, you know, glorious thought to be like, man, seeing some of these animals
00:36:38.700
in the wild the first time before, you know, we kind of overran it as humans would have been pretty cool.
00:36:45.340
Yeah. It's, it's, it's easier in a lot of ways and more difficult in a lot of ways too. And,
00:36:51.380
and, and the difficulties that we, we face are, uh, they're, they're first world problems, right?
00:36:57.500
Like, uh, I can't get on my phone. The internet is down or I'm a little cold because the heater
00:37:02.160
isn't working or whatever it might be, but the odds of us dying or, or facing some sort of
00:37:07.300
catastrophic event is significantly lower than it's ever been. Yeah, that's for sure.
00:37:12.060
Is there a, uh, is there an experience with a particular animal that you have yet to have
00:37:17.580
encountered that, that you're really working towards, uh, creating in your life?
00:37:23.240
Um, you know, every adventure that I go on has the unique opportunity to present me with
00:37:28.920
something that hasn't happened before. Right. Um, I mean, there's countless species that I,
00:37:33.920
I still want to get the chance to get close with or catch on camera at some point in time,
00:37:38.440
Komodo dragons, great white sharks, harpy eagles, uh, griffin vultures, hyenas in the wild,
00:37:44.840
uh, African wild dogs. I mean, that's the cool thing about my job is that, you know,
00:37:49.460
you pick up an animal encyclopedia, you open it up to any page and there's a good chance that
00:37:53.920
I haven't even encountered that animal yet. And I've had hundreds of encounters. So it's sort of
00:37:59.060
this endless wellspring of opportunity. And I'm just always excited about what is going to be the next
00:38:05.000
expedition and what am I going to see on it? Man, let me hit the pause button,
00:38:09.600
the timeout real quick. Uh, I want to talk with you about leadership. Uh, this is something that
00:38:14.240
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00:38:18.420
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00:38:24.280
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00:38:42.400
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council. You can do that right after the show guys. For now, let's finish up my conversation with
00:39:14.900
coyote. So for, for men who are listening, who for themselves want to have some of these experiences
00:39:20.980
or want to create some experiences for their children, what are some recommendations that you
00:39:25.500
have? Um, well, I know it probably sounds a little ridiculous, but you know, with this book coming out
00:39:31.780
today, brave adventures, a lot of it really begins right at home. I mean, you can either watch a YouTube
00:39:38.440
video before you go to bed, or you can take brave adventures and read a 12 page, you know, fully
00:39:43.840
detailed. This is what the adventure was like and, and cause those kids to use their imaginations. Um,
00:39:50.000
a big part of making this book for us, you know, and the brave adventure series is to really
00:39:54.580
encourage kids to read. And I, and I say read because reading has to do with research and
00:39:59.960
research has to do with simulating the imagination, that imagination then transcends into getting
00:40:05.180
outside to explore on their own. And certainly if they're young under the supervision of a parent,
00:40:09.820
but eventually you get to that age where it's like, yep, I'm going further into the woods than I
00:40:13.620
ever have before. And before you know it, you're going to another country to explore. And it's,
00:40:17.780
it's just that modern sort of mindset that is what we're really trying to encourage with,
00:40:24.960
with families and kids specifically is to really just get outside and start exploring.
00:40:30.500
I mean, I think that's powerful because there's a lot of dads. I'm a father. Are you a father?
00:40:37.300
Okay. So it's important for us. And you said this earlier for us to foster this in our children. We think
00:40:43.620
a lot of the times that they're going to naturally gravitate towards something and they might,
00:40:46.920
but unless we learn to foster these curiosities, I think we really limit themselves. So this is
00:40:51.620
actually something that we started to do as well as since I got your book several weeks ago,
00:40:55.940
we've started to read and go through the stories. And then of course we go out and we try to recreate
00:41:01.360
our own experiences. We don't, I'm not really interested in getting stung by anything or bit by
00:41:05.520
anything. I can't imagine you are either, but that probably gives a perspective that most people
00:41:10.860
wouldn't consider. Um, but yeah, I mean, just creating some moments for us to be outside and
00:41:17.460
in nature with these animals is, has been pretty powerful. And then of course being inspired by
00:41:21.220
what you're doing too. Well, when I was a younger kid, you know, I certainly grew up on stuff and
00:41:25.960
I'll just use Jurassic park as the example. While I clearly knew there were no dinosaurs in my woods,
00:41:31.620
my neighborhood friends and I would go out feeling as if, you know, we were Dr. Grant and those kids
00:41:37.240
lost in the park with the power being out. Right. So we would, we would create scenarios for ourselves
00:41:43.680
of having to survive and live off the land and pretend that we were seeing dinosaurs out in our
00:41:48.740
woods. I mean, that's just all imagination driven. And, you know, with something like a book, what's,
00:41:53.520
what's cool about it, you know, there's, I just feel there's not enough kids that are still reading
00:41:57.360
these days, but the adventures that we're trying to put down on the pages of a book will hopefully
00:42:01.960
really stick into kids' minds at night. And then, you know, you're on summer break,
00:42:06.180
you're on the weekend and you read a chapter before bed and the next day you may wake up and
00:42:09.840
say, okay, I'm going to go out and pretend to have that scenario in my own backyard or in the
00:42:13.740
woods or in my tree fort, whatever it might be. And that's really just where it all starts at a young
00:42:19.040
age. And like I said earlier, you never know who you're going to inspire to take that next big jump
00:42:23.180
into education and conservation. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Is there, I'm going to go back to the
00:42:28.700
sting thing because I'm fascinated by this. What, what, what brought that about? Like what, what in your
00:42:34.700
mind did you say, you know what, I'm going to deliberately and intentionally get stung by this
00:42:38.300
animal for, or because blank, help me, help me connect the dots there. So all of the, me intentionally
00:42:48.320
taking any pain from something began with a porcupine, but I won't go into that story. I'll tell you the
00:42:55.920
story of where it really originates from. And, and, you know, bless my mom's heart. My mom's phenomenal.
00:43:00.580
She actually did all the illustrations in the brave adventures books. Oh, she did. I didn't know
00:43:04.280
that. Yeah. She, she does all the illustrations in the adventure series. Um, she lives in Arizona
00:43:10.020
and the stings actually originate from her because she was stung by something called a harvester ant
00:43:14.740
and there was a whole nest of them in her backyard, but she won't destroy any like pest insects or
00:43:19.660
anything like that. And actually the horned lizards love to eat harvester ants. So she's like, I'm just
00:43:23.580
going to let these ants go wild and build their giant nest. It'll bring in the horned lizards. And my mom
00:43:28.320
likes seeing these lizards. So she was warning me about the ants and it's like, Oh, don't get stung.
00:43:32.740
It's really bad. I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And so my producing team and I, myself, Mark and
00:43:37.700
Mario, we were, let's see how bad a sting really is. And then it became this joke of, Oh, how long can
00:43:43.340
you keep your hands in the ant mound? And honestly, this is where it began. And we filmed this video that
00:43:48.720
we never thought was going to be released. We ended up releasing it. People started talking about the
00:43:53.720
bullet ant. Then we started doing research. I found Justin Schmidt, who's an entomologist based
00:43:58.560
in Arizona that created the insect sting pain index. And there was this roadmap for, let's see how many
00:44:04.780
of these things I can get stung by to then bring to the audience what that experience is going to be.
00:44:08.460
And that's honestly where it started. What, uh, what is the worst sting that you've ever experienced?
00:44:14.920
Uh, the worst thing is from something called an executioner wasp. And we actually redefined the
00:44:19.540
insect sting pain index in our own way. Uh, this last year when I was stung by something called a
00:44:24.980
Japanese giant hornet, and then followed that up with an executioner wasp. So those two are the most
00:44:29.820
painful stings on the planet right now. And so what, tell me a little bit about that,
00:44:34.080
that experience, that feeling, like what actually happened?
00:44:38.560
You don't really remember a whole lot of it in the moment. Some of that pain is so intense. You're,
00:44:43.820
you almost like are like a deer in headlights and you just kind of go, you're eclipsed under this
00:44:49.520
wave of like insane pain shooting up your arm. And then my job of course, is to try to maintain
00:44:55.640
some sort of semblance of coherency so that I can then explain to the audience through the lens of
00:45:01.160
the camera, what it is I'm going through. What am I feeling? What is the venom doing? Is it getting
00:45:07.380
worse? Am I going to be able to take the pain, add a little dramatics to that situation and it becomes
00:45:12.340
pretty educational and pretty, pretty entertaining. Yeah. I, so is it poison that is actually going
00:45:17.880
through your arm in a sting like that or, or it's, it's venom. It's, it's venom. So venom is
00:45:22.720
something that's injected into your body through a stinger or fangs or teeth. Poison would be like
00:45:28.040
the skin of a poison frog or poison Ivy, like in the form of like an oil or something like that.
00:45:33.420
Oh, interesting. Okay. So poison is more like an external oil and a venom is injected. Am I
00:45:39.220
understanding that correctly? Yeah. And it's a, it's a, it's a bit of a gray area. You could,
00:45:43.840
you could, I could talk poison versus venom for hours, but from the grand perspective of,
00:45:50.260
of nature, stings and bites are venomous and poison is something that's applied to your skin.
00:45:55.580
So there are no poisonous snakes. They're venomous snakes. Poisonous spiders. They're all venomous
00:46:01.420
spiders. Right. But there are poisonous frogs, for example. Correct. Yes. Makes sense. Makes sense.
00:46:07.680
All right. So you've got, you've got several books, you've got 15 million people or so following
00:46:13.440
you on YouTube. You've, you've been awarded an Emmy. Like you've got this show coming up. Like,
00:46:19.340
how do you begin to top this? How do you continue to drive on? Like what is next and where do you see
00:46:23.760
this going from here? Just the next adventure. Everyone that we embark upon is the next chance to
00:46:30.840
catch it on camera, share it with the world and just build and build and build our audience. The more
00:46:36.200
people that we can get excited about animals, the more people that we can bring this awareness of
00:46:40.760
animals to. I mean, that's the, that's the mission at the end of the day and getting to do things like
00:46:45.160
write books and, and encourage kids to read and, and explore the outdoors is just such a huge part of
00:46:51.840
our mission. It has more to do with inspiring the future generations of explorers and adventurers
00:46:57.680
really than anything else. Cause it's, it's the kids that are going to make the difference in the
00:47:02.220
future. Do you ever feel like you're exposing yourself to unnecessary risk that makes you
00:47:10.940
question whether or not you're doing the right thing? Not really. Um, we do a lot of research,
00:47:16.860
especially before I do any of the intentional bites or stings. Um, I know exactly what I'm getting
00:47:21.540
myself into. We always have safety personnel either on set with us or close by or local emergency
00:47:28.560
centers or hospitals on call that, Hey, we're about to do this. If something happens, be ready. Um,
00:47:34.980
so yeah, this is, it's not as, as wild west off the cuff as you would think, especially when you're
00:47:42.120
talking about, you know, doing something intentionally. So, uh, we take all the proper
00:47:46.300
care and precautions necessary. And anytime you're doing anything in the wilderness, whether it's,
00:47:50.420
it's hiking or you're making an animal adventure show, it's, it's good to always have crossed all
00:47:55.200
your T's and dot your eyes. Yeah, no doubt. Of course, because you are exposing yourself to more
00:48:00.380
risk than probably the average person in a lot of ways. Um, and I imagine too, that level of risk
00:48:05.700
is something that you've calculated and told yourself directly or indirectly that I'm, I'm willing to take
00:48:12.580
this risk because of, of the fact that you're doing what you enjoy and what you feel like maybe
00:48:16.460
you're, I don't know, called to do. I'm in New York city right now on the media tour for the brave
00:48:22.580
adventures book. And I would honestly say there are more risks just walking on the street.
00:48:27.260
Yeah. Great point. I've probably faced in all of my time filming this past month in Brazil.
00:48:32.660
Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Great point. I'm less comfortable in a big city environment than I
00:48:37.140
am in the middle of nowhere in, in the Southern Pantanal. Do you feel like, uh, where you're in
00:48:43.100
New York right now, do you feel like you, you relate well with people? Do you feel like that that's
00:48:48.040
not an issue for you? Do you feel like, man, I just rather be out here alone or potentially with
00:48:52.740
my camera crew and an animal? Like what is the balance like for you when it comes to interacting
00:48:57.320
in, in the wild and being in nature versus being in civilization?
00:49:02.160
Well, my favorite place to be is definitely out in the wild, not an adventure, but I equally enjoy
00:49:08.000
the chances to come into the big cities to do promotion for shows or books. Um, really because
00:49:14.580
this is a big part of my job as well. It's spreading the message. It's getting people
00:49:18.420
excited about, you know, a book or a show, because if you don't do that, if you, if you
00:49:23.440
don't, if you're not proud about what it is that your profession is, your job and the people
00:49:28.260
that are helping you accomplish the task, um, you're not giving everybody else the due credit
00:49:32.940
that they deserve. I have a team, not only with my, my partners at little Brown, but animal
00:49:38.600
planet, YouTube, everybody, they all work so hard to make these, these things possible.
00:49:44.760
I have to be the face to go out and make sure that everybody knows that it's there. It's,
00:49:48.760
it's all a very delicate balance, but one that's equally important on every level.
00:49:54.400
Right on. Well, I want to be respectful of your time and I know we're, we're snugging up
00:49:58.440
against that timeline for you. I do want to ask you a couple of questions as, as we wind
00:50:02.040
down here. The first one is what does it mean to be a man?
00:50:05.040
To be a man. Well, certainly the beard has a lot to do with it.
00:50:11.240
As a beard game champion. Um, I'm, I believe that a beard is a big part of it sometimes,
00:50:17.040
but in all honesty, I think it, it has to do with, um, being honest and being honest is
00:50:23.980
not only being truthful to the people that are around you, but also being able to admit
00:50:28.040
when you've made a mistake or that you're wrong. Um, I think a lot of us try to be so macho
00:50:33.340
these days. It's a more manly thing to stand up and say, you know what? That was my bad,
00:50:38.280
my mistake. I was a, my, my bad caller, or, uh, you know, it was, I made the, made the wrong
00:50:44.840
choice here. Um, and I'm not saying that I'm somebody that makes a lot of bad choices or
00:50:48.780
bad calls, but I, I just always like to be the first to admit if I was wrong about something.
00:50:53.360
And I think that's a thing that not enough of us do these days.
00:50:56.340
I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Well, again, I want to let you know that, uh, that
00:51:01.400
I'm glad that you came on the conversation, the podcast today. I know the guys are going
00:51:05.960
to love what we had to, uh, discuss. And I want to thank you too, for, you know, being
00:51:10.720
open and sharing some of that, because these are important conversations, our interactions
00:51:15.020
and even maybe are not disagreements, but our different ways of looking at our involvement
00:51:20.780
in, in nature and the environment. So I really appreciate your time and you sharing some
00:51:25.200
your wisdom with us today. Absolutely. No, I appreciate it. Everybody is always certainly
00:51:29.700
entitled to their own opinion. And when you have good, you know, heart and reason that
00:51:35.080
backs it up, then it's, it's valid. You know, we're all unique as individuals and are all
00:51:39.160
going to have our own beliefs. And I think at the end of the day, we're all after the same
00:51:42.960
goal, which is, um, get a message out to somebody and a message that you believe in. And that's
00:51:48.520
what's important. Right on. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Have
00:51:52.520
a great day. Gentlemen, there you go. The one and only Coyote Peterson. I hope that you
00:51:57.620
enjoyed that one. Like I said, a little bit different than it normally is on the order
00:52:01.120
of man podcast, but it's always good to break things up. And, and this guy's fascinating
00:52:04.780
and he's been very, very successful. So I thought it was perfectly aligned with what
00:52:09.980
we're all about. And if you listen to this without your children, then I would highly encourage
00:52:14.000
you to listen to it with your children and also pick up a copy of his new book, brave
00:52:18.920
adventures. I've been reading this with my two oldest boys in particular, because they're
00:52:22.840
big fans of coyotes and it's been fun. It's been entertaining. It's been fun. We've had
00:52:27.220
a good time reading about it, discussing it. And of course it's, uh, got them a little bit
00:52:33.300
more interested in being outdoors and nature and wilderness and exploring things that we do
00:52:39.420
anyways, but, uh, I've noticed a, a new excitement for it. So kind of a cool resource. Anyways,
00:52:46.260
guys, I hope you enjoyed it. Uh, make sure you connect with coyote on YouTube, very active
00:52:50.060
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00:52:53.760
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00:53:00.020
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00:53:07.080
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00:53:10.980
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00:53:15.200
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00:53:23.280
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00:53:27.680
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00:53:31.600
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00:53:37.240
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00:53:42.060
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