Order of Man - Animal Encounters ｜ COYOTE PETERSON

00:00:00.000 I haven't always been as appreciative of the wild and nature and wildlife as I am now,

00:00:05.400 but with me getting involved in hunting over the past several years, I've been more intimately

00:00:10.000 connected to the outdoors than I ever have been. So when Coyote Peterson's team reached out,

00:00:15.060 I knew that this would make for a very interesting discussion. And if you have children,

00:00:19.520 they're really, really going to like this one. Today, we talk about nature, encouraging youth

00:00:24.080 to get involved in the wild, the unintended consequences of excessive human interaction

00:00:28.480 with nature, where Coyote and I disagree on hunting and ultimately some of his craziest

00:00:34.120 animal encounters. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. Embrace your fears

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00:03:59.740 All right, guys, let me introduce you to my guest today. His name is Nathaniel Coyote Peterson.

00:04:04.680 He's a wildlife educator. He's the host of the brave wilderness YouTube channel.

00:04:08.980 Uh, they have nearly 15 million subscribers on that channel. So we've got a little, uh,

00:04:15.760 a little room to go to catch up to them. Uh, I was first introduced actually to Coyote by my two

00:04:20.160 oldest sons while they were on YouTube. Uh, they asked me to come watch this quote unquote crazy

00:04:24.680 guy who gets stung by animals on purpose. Uh, that's was my introduction to him. We talk about

00:04:31.920 that on the podcast. Uh, he's also the author of four books, the host of a new animal planet television

00:04:37.060 show set to be aired early next year. Uh, and the recipient of an Emmy for one of his series is

00:04:42.840 called breaking trail. Again, this one's a little different than you might be used to on the order

00:04:47.380 of man podcast. But if you're interested in hearing our intelligent disagreement discussion,

00:04:52.940 uh, about hunting, and if you have children, you're definitely, definitely going to want to tune

00:04:57.500 into this one. Uh, I hope you enjoy my podcast with the fascinating and interesting Coyote Peterson.

00:05:03.100 Coyote, what's going on, man? Thanks for joining me on the podcast today.

00:05:07.880 Hey, thanks for having me. So I got to admit, I actually didn't know about you until probably,

00:05:13.660 I would say three or four months. And my two oldest boys, I have four kids, but my two oldest

00:05:19.620 boys showed me this video of this wild man getting stung by who knows what. And that was my first

00:05:24.360 introduction to you. Hey, these sting episodes keep on stinging is what it sounds like. That means you

00:05:29.460 just haven't been watching a lot of YouTube over the course of the past three years here.

00:05:32.660 I really don't, but you know, in, in getting ready for our conversation today, I mean,

00:05:36.800 I saw that you have, I think you're just under 15 million subscribers on YouTube.

00:05:41.620 Yeah. It's crazy. Right. And that's what over the past, you said three years.

00:05:45.560 Uh, yeah, well the channel officially launched in September of 2015. So we're about to turn

00:05:52.300 four years. Well, we just actually turned four years old. Uh, gosh, it was just a, it's just coming

00:05:58.340 actually what's, what's the date today? Today's September 10th, right?

00:06:00.820 Yes, sir. Oh, actually. Yeah. The birthday of brave wilderness is on September 14th. So

00:06:05.700 holy cow. Yeah. We're coming right up on it. Yeah. It's, it's gone by in a hurry. That's

00:06:09.260 for sure. Yeah. That's a, what do you attribute to the success to? I mean, a lot of people start

00:06:13.860 YouTube channels, but not a lot of people have that level of success.

00:06:17.200 Right. Um, you know, certainly the bite and sting content greatly escalated people's interest

00:06:23.220 in checking out the channel. But to be honest with you, the bite and sting content is only about

00:06:28.620 5% of what we do on the YouTube channel. Uh, this was all designed to be an educational

00:06:34.080 and conservation based, uh, center for bringing animals to people within the digital space.

00:06:40.060 And it's a, it's a difficult field. I mean, you know, anything with animals is how do you

00:06:44.560 really capture and keep people's attention? And once we started realizing that me putting

00:06:49.060 myself under the experimental microscope of what happens if you experience that worst

00:06:54.620 case scenario where you're bitten or stung by something, what are the effects? What is the

00:06:57.880 human body going to go through? Uh, it certainly seemed to grab people's attention and then they

00:07:02.240 love the bites and stings and stuck around for all the other stuff as well.

00:07:05.800 Did you feel like when you threw yourself into this arena that it was saturated, that there was

00:07:11.660 so many people doing it that, that you would have some big shoes to fill? Like what were your

00:07:16.420 thoughts when you were actually thinking about starting your, your YouTube channel? And that's where

00:07:20.600 it started, right? It all started on YouTube. It really did. As far as you know, the world knows,

00:07:26.620 um, for a number of years, my business partner, Mark Vince, and I were originally trying to get

00:07:31.260 this concept picked up as a television show. Um, essentially had pretty much every, every network

00:07:37.040 that's out there, close the door on us and say, yeah, you know, the whole people going out to

00:07:42.140 encounter animals and be a single person host is just not really working right now for any

00:07:47.240 television networks. Um, and at the time it's when there were more like these ensemble casts and

00:07:51.780 we refused to take no for an answer. And that's when we ended up discovering that, you know, well,

00:07:56.040 YouTube is a great place where people are getting tons of views. We never imagined it would grow to

00:08:01.180 this level, but we at least knew that we would be able to produce content that we were proud of

00:08:06.060 that we could share with an audience. We would have been thrilled only ever making it to a hundred

00:08:10.120 thousand subscribers, feeling like we're reaching that number of people, but to now be at nearly 15

00:08:14.460 million. It's, it's, it's a dream come true. Yeah. So what was the goal? Was, was the goal always to

00:08:20.200 create this, I guess I, from the outside looking in, I would say in a way media company centered around

00:08:26.960 obviously introducing the public to animal encounters is, is that how you describe it or do

00:08:32.740 you describe it as something else? Well, certainly my, my key focus as the person that's presenting the

00:08:38.540 animals is to always get generations, whether it's a younger generation, the current generation or an

00:08:45.040 older generation excited about animals. We want to educate them about the species that maybe they

00:08:50.180 haven't heard of, or maybe there's a certain animal that they're afraid of. And we're hoping to help

00:08:54.060 them overcome those fears. It's really about getting animals to as many people as possible. But a lot of

00:09:00.200 my background is in screenwriting, producing, and directing. So the filmmaker side of me very much was

00:09:05.700 influenced by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas and how they built their brands, their companies,

00:09:11.040 and, and did things like star Wars or Jurassic park, um, and really made a culture and a lasting

00:09:17.280 legacy out of those properties. Uh, we looked at the world of animals and adventure and said,

00:09:23.400 you know, nobody's really doing this right now. Certainly we had things like planet earth, but,

00:09:27.640 um, since the passing of Steve Irwin, uh, there really was not many people doing hosted animal

00:09:34.000 adventure shows and we just really felt it was the best way to reach an audience, get into the

00:09:38.600 environment, interact, and show the audience just how cool these creatures are. Yeah. I mean, it's,

00:09:43.620 it's pretty incredible what you're doing and my boys continue to show me videos of all you've got,

00:09:47.800 you've got going on, but you know, you bring up Steve, Steve Irwin is, is he somebody that you,

00:09:53.160 I don't know, maybe he was a hero of yours. I think you and I were born, what, in the early eighties,

00:09:57.560 right? So he probably was somebody that you, uh, grew up watching and seeing and was a lot of what

00:10:04.640 you're doing inspired by him or other people. Um, I mean, he's a huge influence on me. He's

00:10:10.300 gay. I know anybody that loves animals is, is going to say that, um, Steve was one of the biggest, 0.98

00:10:14.840 but you know, I watch everything that's animals and adventure, whether it dates back to mutual

00:10:20.220 Volna Hall's wild kingdom. I've seen every episode they've ever produced. I love Jeff Corwin.

00:10:25.000 I love Austin Stevens. I grew up on a guy named Marty Stauffer who did a show called wild America.

00:10:30.680 Um, but even a lot of the adventures that are, are relevant and working today, Casey Anderson,

00:10:35.180 who does a lot of work with, um, grizzly bears. He's done some shows on that geo. I love Jeremy

00:10:40.440 Wade who does river monsters, bear grills, who did man versus wild. And now his plethora of shows,

00:10:45.400 um, even like the, one of the newer shows, the animal planet has called extinct or alive with a host

00:10:50.400 named Forrest Galante. I love seeing all these guys that love adventures.

00:10:55.000 They're, they're getting out there, they're bringing a camera crew with them and they're

00:10:58.520 educating people about the world that most of us don't ever get the chance to see.

00:11:04.200 Yeah. I mean, we live in this concrete jungle, most of us anyways, and our exposure to nature

00:11:09.120 and the wild and animals is, is very, very limited. My wife and I, and our family just moved here to

00:11:14.160 Maine and we're a little bit more rural than even we were in the past. And man, it's nice to be able

00:11:18.680 to just go outside on our property every night and walk around. And we've got some trail cams out and

00:11:23.420 we're, we're picking up deer and other animals. And even just that limited exposure is actually

00:11:27.540 really powerful. And you're right though. Most people just, they don't get it. You know,

00:11:31.440 the most they get is their dog or their cat that's inside with them. And that's it. Domesticated

00:11:35.380 animals. You know what you have in Maine? That's pretty cool. Bloodworms. If you guys haven't seen

00:11:40.420 the bloodworm episode that we did in Maine, definitely check it out. It was like one of our biggest

00:11:45.400 sneaker hits. We could have never fathomed. I think the video has something, I mean,

00:11:49.600 it's upwards to like the tune of like 40 some million views, uh, about these worms that live

00:11:54.640 in the mud flats when the tide recedes and anybody can go out and find them. Um, we did an episode

00:11:59.420 on them in Maine and just, it was a creature I never even knew existed. And I, I, I bring that up

00:12:04.340 because it's an animal like that. They can garner the interest of millions of people and you didn't

00:12:09.840 even know it was there. And it's honestly probably right in your backyard. Yeah. That's interesting

00:12:13.600 because I haven't heard of them. I, I assume are, are they just, are they blood suckers or what,

00:12:18.380 what, what is it about them? Um, the bloodworm name comes pretty much from the color of what they

00:12:24.920 are. They're red, but they have this crazy mouth, this proboscis that comes out of their body. So

00:12:31.680 it looks like a normal earthworm, like a huge nightcrawler, but then it has this alien type

00:12:36.040 mouth with these four prong teeth and they, they're, they're a carnivorous worm species. So

00:12:41.460 they bite and inject this anticoagulant into their prey. And then essentially like that breaks down

00:12:47.820 their insides. And then they slowly slurp it up like the grossest slushy you might ever imagine

00:12:53.460 having, um, such a bizarre alien type creature. And it's a worm. How are millions of people

00:12:59.820 interested in a worm? I don't know. I found a way to film it and show them. So glad they enjoy it.

00:13:04.500 Do they, what do they feed on? Do they feed on fish or you said they're, you said they're in the,

00:13:08.440 in the water. What do they feed on?

00:13:10.980 Yeah. So they're, they're in the mud. They're feasting on, on other, uh, insects, small.

00:13:16.460 It's, um, I imagine if they could catch a small fish, they would, but they also specialize in,

00:13:21.460 in eating other worms. So they're kind of subterranean, just creepy looking creature.

00:13:27.100 And yeah, when the tide recedes, if you go out into the mud flats and dig back chunks of mud,

00:13:32.000 you will find bloodworms.

00:13:33.440 Interesting. Yeah. We're definitely gonna, we're definitely gonna have to check that out.

00:13:36.620 You know, the other thing I admire you too about is you talked about these networks shutting you

00:13:41.700 down. And so you decided in a way to take the backdoor route, which I think is becoming

00:13:46.140 increasingly common. And that's taking it in your own hands and creating what you want to create.

00:13:50.580 And now these networks are, are coming to you in a way it sounds like, because you've got a new

00:13:55.180 series coming up on, uh, on, uh, animal planet, right? And, uh, that's pretty cool to be able to

00:14:01.500 see that come full circle. I imagine.

00:14:02.980 Well, getting to do something with discovery communications and certainly with animal

00:14:07.600 planet, it's, I mean, like that's the childhood dream come true. If you exist in the world that

00:14:12.040 I exist in where you want to work with animals, you know, the two big wigs are Nat Geo and animal 0.88

00:14:16.760 planet. And I love them both, but I grew up with animal planet. Steve Irwin was a part of animal

00:14:21.920 planet, Jeremy Wade. I mean, to get to follow the legacy that's been established there and not have

00:14:27.480 the chance to produce what, what we believe is going to be the most action-based, uh, exciting

00:14:33.540 animal series that's ever been produced. Um, it, it sounds cliche, but it really is a dream come

00:14:38.480 true. And we worked incredibly hard over the course of the past four years to put our YouTube channel

00:14:43.020 in the position that it's in and now getting to work with the network. It's amazing. My entire team

00:14:48.440 over there is so supportive. And a lot of people were afraid that, okay, coyote is getting a TV show.

00:14:53.720 He's going to lose all control, yada, yada, yada. But it's exactly the opposite. Uh, the relationship

00:14:59.960 that we have is very much putting myself and my team in the driver's seat of the series.

00:15:04.900 I'm writing the stories behind each and every episode, choosing the locations, choosing the

00:15:10.440 target species. I mean, it is truly a brave wilderness show, um, coming through the animal

00:15:15.840 planet network. How do you feel like it's going to be different than what's already been done?

00:15:20.520 Because there has been a lot, uh, and there's a lot of shows, I guess, similar to this that are

00:15:24.880 out there. So how do you begin to differentiate yourself and, and to create that, like I said,

00:15:30.660 differentiation in what you're doing? Well, a big part of it actually has to do with the

00:15:35.740 advancements in technology, right? So let's just use Steve Irwin as an example. Now I'll go back and

00:15:41.300 watch old Steve Irwin episodes and absolutely adore them for what they are. And they were the best

00:15:46.500 animal adventure shows at the time, but the camera teams that were producing these shows were also

00:15:51.040 running around with these giant shoulder mount cameras that couldn't get wet. They had to be

00:15:55.780 strategic in how they got the shots. And it was, it was weird because you can kind of see in some of

00:16:00.940 the episodes where Steve is almost limited in a certain sense, based on his ability to get into

00:16:05.780 the environment and make these interactions happen. But with today's technology, that the types of cameras

00:16:10.220 that we're using, they're much more nimble. They're capable of getting muddy. They're capable of getting

00:16:14.480 wet. Um, so it's a combination of using really, um, I don't want to say low budget cameras, but

00:16:20.860 they're, they're cameras that can get into the environment and you're not worried about like

00:16:25.260 getting them muddy or even possibly destroying them. But then we're also combining it with really

00:16:30.100 high end cameras, the kind of stuff that you would be shooting planet earth on. So we found a way to

00:16:35.720 marry the grittiness of YouTube with the beauty of planet earth. And that is the concoction of a show

00:16:41.680 that we are, that we are producing right now. And it's, it's going to be something else. I'm

00:16:45.720 telling you, it's, it's, we've got most of the episodes in the can right now. And I think it's

00:16:49.920 going to knock some socks off. Yeah. I think that's the beauty of, of social media and the beauty of,

00:16:54.480 even with, with YouTube is that you really can give people a perspective that isn't completely

00:17:00.640 polished. And I'm not saying the show won't be polished, but I think there's this, there's,

00:17:05.840 there's always been a disconnect when, when you have your, your viewers and you have a network,

00:17:13.100 there's this disconnect that is difficult to bridge, especially when you're talking about

00:17:18.620 being in nature. Cause when you go outside, you can feel it, you can smell it. It's very intimate,

00:17:24.280 right? And, and that disconnect I imagine is something that's difficult to bridge for your line

00:17:29.320 of work. Yeah, I would, I would agree. And I think part of that disconnect also comes from never seeing

00:17:35.480 the people that are operating the cameras or the sound equipment. And we actually have a lot of that

00:17:40.800 that is bled into our content on YouTube, but really bleeds in with the animal planet series.

00:17:46.240 Um, and the work and the extent that we're going to, to get these shots, the time that it takes to

00:17:51.920 find and have these animal encounters. That's the other thing I think a lot of people don't realize is

00:17:56.180 you don't just walk outside into an environment and magically that animal shows up. One of our jokes

00:18:00.760 is that we always have is, you know, an animal doesn't have a call sheet. There's no guarantee

00:18:04.680 that anything will be there on any, and there's so many factors that play into whether or not you're

00:18:10.240 going to have a successful encounter from time of day to weather to, um, the right seasonality.

00:18:16.360 So we're working very hard to have the encounters, have them happen completely naturally. And you're

00:18:22.440 really being able to see that through this style of show that we're making.

00:18:26.180 Yeah. I'm glad you bring that up because even just over the past several weeks or so,

00:18:30.340 my, uh, my oldest son and I have set up some, and I told you some trail cams around the property.

00:18:34.600 And it's, he had this idea that if we just set it up, that, that we would immediately start

00:18:39.100 capturing these animals. And although I'd love to have them enter on cue, you're right. It just

00:18:45.020 doesn't happen like that. And I see, I think that's another disconnect is that when you go outside,

00:18:49.580 you're going to see these magnificent creatures without having to work for it. And, and it is work.

00:18:53.720 You do have to put yourself in the environment. You do have to have time in, in nature and,

00:18:58.900 and you'll start to see and have more of these experiences and encounters.

00:19:02.800 Right.

00:19:03.920 I'm curious about, I mean, obviously we're going to talk about conservation efforts and,

00:19:08.060 and why this work is so important. But as I was thinking about what I wanted to discuss,

00:19:12.020 I thought it'd be really interesting to get your perspective on, uh, how we as humans interact

00:19:18.880 with nature and animals, obviously from the conservation side, but an interesting side to

00:19:23.420 talk about would be, would be hunting. Are you a hunter by chance?

00:19:27.680 Um, I'm not, I am not opposed to hunting if hunting is done in the right context, right? So I don't have

00:19:33.960 any sort of support to ever offer for predator hunting people that go out and shoot bears or shoot

00:19:40.060 lions. And, you know, there, there is a science behind keeping populations within control in some

00:19:46.300 of these foreign countries. I can say that I can see a certain side of that, but it's still not

00:19:51.720 something that I'm in support of. Um, when it comes to hunting to feed your family, if you're

00:19:56.480 somebody that goes out and hunts deer or hunts Turkey or, or ducks, whatever it might be, it's one

00:20:01.800 thing to hunt. If you're providing sustenance for the people that are directly, directly related to

00:20:07.600 your life or other people that you were connected to, but to aimlessly hunt, just to collect trophies

00:20:12.860 or to shoot animals, to say that you did it. I just really don't see the point. And, and with

00:20:18.660 predators specifically, there's so few predators on our planet now, which are natural balance to the

00:20:24.200 ecosystem. Um, I live in Ohio, right? Uh, the only real sort of apex land predator that we have is,

00:20:30.980 is a coyote and coyotes are not controlling the white tail deer, deer population. There are deer

00:20:36.200 everywhere. They are so habituated to humans at this point. They just hang out in people's

00:20:40.500 backyards, but we don't have any large cats or, or really any bears or any wolves that can help

00:20:46.140 control that population. So, you know, we, as humans have offset the balance of the ecosystem,

00:20:52.280 um, keeping the predators where they should be is very important, but it's people's fear of,

00:20:58.240 oh my gosh, wolves are going to attack me. That is, have driven us to, you know, eliminate so many

00:21:03.740 of these animals off the face of the planet, which is, is a really sad thing.

00:21:07.500 Yeah. What about, uh, even predator hunting where you do consume the animals? Because there are those

00:21:12.280 who hunt a bear, for example, that, that do eat and consume the animal. So it sounds like the issue

00:21:17.980 is more the fact that you wouldn't be consuming it, that you're just hunting for the sake of hunting.

00:21:22.660 Am I understanding you correctly?

00:21:24.360 Yeah. I mean, look, I can also make the argument that why would you ever need to hunt and eat a bear?

00:21:29.800 I mean, are you like, do you like bear meat that much where you're like, yep, I'm going

00:21:34.760 bear hunting today so I can eat a bear. Look, if you live in the middle of Alaska and you're living

00:21:40.240 off the land and you can't get yourself a moose or a deer and you're like, I'm going to have to eat

00:21:46.360 that bear. I mean, I guess eat the bear, but you know, if you're going to go out and hunt bears so

00:21:52.200 that you can have a bearskin rug, that is absolutely unacceptable. But, um, look, if you're going to eat

00:21:58.340 something to survive, I can be in support of it, but it doesn't mean that I have to understand it.

00:22:03.760 Everybody has their own perspective and their reason for what they do. But me personally,

00:22:07.860 I would most likely end up taking a bear attack before I would even get, even shoot a bear if

00:22:13.440 it was coming at me. So.

00:22:15.120 No, it's good. I mean, these are the conversations. And although I think you and I would probably

00:22:18.440 disagree a little bit on that, these are the types of conversations that are, that are really

00:22:21.880 important. And I think they get lost in, in social media. We have these polar opposites and

00:22:27.420 people never have these nuanced conversations to be able to discuss these ideas civilly and

00:22:32.400 respectfully and intelligently as well. Right. I mean, look, if we can find a way to properly

00:22:38.500 take care of the animals that most humans consume on a daily basis, right. Take better care of our

00:22:43.960 livestock, the cows and the chickens and the turkeys. And we have that as a really well working form of

00:22:49.600 the consumption of meat. You know, it would make more sense then to be like, all right, well now let's

00:22:55.740 look at some of the other things we can eat. But again, going back to like, why would you ever need

00:23:00.400 to eat a bear? I just, I, but couldn't you say that about, couldn't you say that about a deer

00:23:06.560 or a turkey or any number of animals? You could, except for the fact that the deer population is

00:23:12.280 so abundant. There's nothing wrong with hunting a deer and eating a deer given the right deer

00:23:18.020 hunting season. What I'm saying is that there are so few bears out in the environment today.

00:23:23.080 What good does it do to eat one of these bears at this point? When you look, if we had hundreds of

00:23:29.260 thousands of bears roaming all over the state of Ohio, or, you know, I'm in New York right now,

00:23:35.120 or you're in Maine, it may make a little more sense to say, okay, we've got to dial this population back

00:23:39.920 a little bit. Let's everybody take, you know, get a license to, to take a bear this year. But that's

00:23:45.180 just simply not the case. We need more efforts to conserve some of these predators. Cause like I said,

00:23:50.500 those are the ones that are helping to naturally balance the ecosystem.

00:23:53.760 Yeah. I, you know, I don't know the numbers of bear population and things like that, but you,

00:23:57.600 you do bring up a very valid point. And one that I agree with is that we do have to regulate

00:24:02.960 our interaction with these species, whether that's, uh, propping certain species up because that's what

00:24:08.580 they need from us or managing those species by, by killing and consuming these animals. Certainly.

00:24:14.280 I completely agree with that. One thing you did say is that we, um, have offset the balance. Are you

00:24:20.680 talking about over, over hunting and encroaching upon these environments or how else do you see

00:24:25.820 us quote unquote offsetting the, uh, the balance with these animals in nature?

00:24:30.500 Well, let me rephrase that and saying, it's not so much the balance that we've offset today. This

00:24:35.640 is something that's taken, you know, the entire course of human civilization into what's just called

00:24:40.900 the United States. This isn't every single country, but you know, people naturally fear

00:24:45.160 predators. And, and one of the, my main goals with everything that I'm doing is to educate people

00:24:50.600 about the species specifically that you may be afraid of. And that's not just like the spiders

00:24:55.160 and the snakes and the scorpions, but even things like bears or wolverines or wolves. Um, they have

00:25:01.400 such a bad reputation that a lot of these animals have been killed simply out of fear. You know, people

00:25:07.320 that are shooting wolves that show up on the property while yes, they may be possibly consuming

00:25:12.180 your livestock more often than not, something like a wolf is shot because people are afraid

00:25:16.840 of what it is. And unless wolf in the environment means hundreds of more deer that will then in turn

00:25:23.280 destroy more crops, you know, there's, there's all a, an offset to what is the proper balance. And

00:25:29.900 while we've had a negative impact on it for a long time, I think one of my main goals and a lot of

00:25:35.660 people who, you know, working through a conservation or an educational direction is to find a way to

00:25:41.300 help equal out that balance, right. Or help people understand that that balance even exists because

00:25:47.000 it's something most people don't even think about. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're a hundred percent

00:25:50.580 correct. I think there's all sorts of unintended consequences of doing what we might on the surface

00:25:55.440 think is, is a good idea, like taking out a wolf population and not realizing how that trickles

00:26:01.260 down or impacts the, uh, the environment that, that we live in and, and ends up hurting other

00:26:07.220 animals and hurting ourselves in the long run as well. Right. So, so, you know, from my angle,

00:26:12.600 and this is why I really wanted to have this conversation is, you know, I tend to be more,

00:26:16.900 more on that, that hunting side and we can conserve through management of numbers and environments,

00:26:21.800 et cetera, et cetera. How would you describe your conservation efforts and, and the movement in the,

00:26:28.740 the, the, that you're trying to lead and the, and the charge that you're trying to make?

00:26:33.920 I really believe it. It all starts with the youth, with kids. So for example, the, the,

00:26:39.320 the book that we have that just is coming out today, uh, this new brave adventures, it's the

00:26:44.300 second volume of the brave adventure series called Epic encounters in the animal kingdom.

00:26:48.220 This is about the stories. There are stories about the adventures that I've had there. There are

00:26:53.060 episodes that are played on YouTube, but there's some of our biggest adventures, uh, lions,

00:26:56.800 elephants, wolverines, uh, spectacled caiman, uh, killer whales. All of these things are these,

00:27:02.900 these big iconic species. And to answer your question, my work for conservation comes in

00:27:09.340 educating kids, getting them excited about these animals. Um, especially at a, at a really young

00:27:14.680 age where then as they grow into grade school and high school and college, and finally their careers,

00:27:20.540 they may be the ones that end up making the difference that puts a certain species on a protected

00:27:26.420 list or they get involved with an organization that, you know, save something that was on the

00:27:32.520 brink of extinction. Um, it all really begins with having an education and a knowledge of what's

00:27:38.720 happening with our planet and what the creatures are that are inhabiting it. And if we can get you

00:27:43.200 interested there, there's a good chance you will continue, continue developing on your own

00:27:46.980 to make that difference. Yeah. I know I've definitely seen this in my oldest son,

00:27:51.940 my second son, he's all about cars and things that go fast and are really loud. Um, who knows what my,

00:27:57.360 my youngest is interested in yet a little bit of everything, anything that he can destroy he's

00:28:01.580 interested in. Uh, but, but my oldest son, man, he loves animals. He's always had this affinity

00:28:07.660 towards them. He's always been, uh, tuned in in a way or, or plugged into animals. And, and I don't

00:28:16.180 know if the way they feel is necessarily the right terminology, but there just seems to be an

00:28:21.700 understanding between him and in the animals that he's engaged with. It's pretty cool to see because

00:28:26.820 it's different than I'm used to. Well, yeah. And that I'll tell you, that is a very special

00:28:31.880 thing. And it's something that you really need to get behind and foster because, you know, look,

00:28:36.620 I was a kid that had a very diverse background. I actually also like cars myself. I like construction

00:28:43.020 equipment. I like sports. I like a plethora of things, but, but growing up animals were the thing

00:28:48.960 to me that was always the most special. It's the thing that's the most special to me now as an adult.

00:28:53.160 And it's kids like your son who is into animals that I want to get behind and support. You know,

00:28:59.640 it's not the superhero culture. It's not, you know, the, the big sports culture. It's a completely

00:29:05.920 unique niche onto its own. But the thing that is so amazing about animals through and through

00:29:11.640 throughout our entire existence on this planet is that animals have always been here. They will

00:29:16.500 always be there. And they're always going to fascinate us at some point in our lives. Usually that point

00:29:21.340 is when you're younger. And if that, if you get that bug, right, if you get that love for animals,

00:29:25.780 it sticks with you continuously. And you'll, you'd be very hard pressed to find any adults that are

00:29:31.080 like, yep, nope, I just don't like anything or want anything to do with animals. Right, right.

00:29:36.000 You meet somebody like that. You're kind of like, I'm not sure I can trust you.

00:29:39.260 That's a great point because there's definitely, I talk about that a lot with my dog. I'm like,

00:29:43.740 man, if my dog doesn't trust you or it has a problem with you, then that throws up a red flag.

00:29:47.940 There's something there that puts me a little bit more on edge. If I know my dog doesn't like you.

00:29:53.060 Yeah. Dogs are a wonderful gauge of being able to read people and their intentions. And that's,

00:30:00.680 you know, that's that incredible, like sixth or seventh or eighth, who knows what sense it is that

00:30:05.080 animals have. And, you know, they say that certain animals can, can sense fear. I don't know how true

00:30:11.600 that is or isn't, but animals can certainly sense a human's demeanor. If you mean harm, if you have

00:30:18.200 ill intention, or if you're curious, if you love your experience. And, and in most of those instances,

00:30:24.460 for people that have a unique encounter with an animal that it may be their first encounter with

00:30:30.840 an animal that they didn't expect that they would have, it usually sticks with them and for their

00:30:34.520 entire life. Do you think that's true of most or all animals? And, and let me say this, I'm not

00:30:40.040 encouraging you because you have good intentions that you ought to stick your hand down a rattlesnake

00:30:44.140 hole, but do you, do you feel like that's pretty common among all animal species that there is some

00:30:49.860 sort of sense that we don't seem to have or aren't in tune with? I feel within my line of work that

00:30:58.740 I have something special when it comes to interacting with animals, but we are always

00:31:05.120 saying to our audience, I've been doing this for a very long time. I know the signs to look for.

00:31:11.000 And even I make mistakes, right? I've received plenty of, of bites and stuff like that unintentionally.

00:31:17.480 Right. And that, that could be because an animal's having an off day. Sometimes you may interact with

00:31:21.680 an animal. It's like, Oh, this is totally cool. You're a human. I'm not scared of you. Animals are only

00:31:26.220 going to get aggressive or defensive if they're feeling threatened. Um, it's why everybody should

00:31:31.340 always admire these creatures from a safe distance. But when I have an interaction with an animal,

00:31:35.920 I really try to place myself in that mindset. That's I'm looking to have it from the purest

00:31:41.300 spot in my heart. I want to have this connection. I want to share the amazingness of this animal with

00:31:47.340 an audience. And while I don't think that an animal necessarily knows that it's going to be the star

00:31:52.960 of a YouTube episode or the star of the planet show, I do feel that they can sense you're not a

00:31:59.020 threat to me. And that's, I think why some of our encounters have been, have been so special and why

00:32:03.600 people have celebrated them, um, to the extent that they have. I think the audience can see that.

00:32:09.100 Are there, uh, are there certain animals? I mean, this might be like a question to a father,

00:32:13.920 like who's your favorite kid, right? But are there, are there certain animals that you just,

00:32:18.880 you just naturally cling to that they're among your favorites?

00:32:23.580 No, I, you know, a lot of people always want to know what is my favorite animal. And, you know,

00:32:27.760 I can pick like favorites over all time, but it usually has more to do with the animal that I'm

00:32:32.580 either currently researching that I'm, I'm going after to try to encounter for an episode or something

00:32:39.300 that I just had an encounter with. Um, for example, we were just in Brazil and I had the most

00:32:44.280 unbelievable encounter with a jaguar, a mother jaguar and her two cubs. We ended up catching

00:32:50.300 unbelievable footage on a trail camera, uh, and, and search for five days and finally managed to

00:32:55.880 see them truly in the wild in this really remote spot of, of Southern Brazil. And I mean, it's a

00:33:02.100 moment that you can go your whole life and never see a jaguar. So to have that moment, um, just

00:33:07.160 captivated me. And now I'm super fascinated with jaguars when I really wasn't before. I mean,

00:33:12.160 I had an awareness of jaguars. I appreciated jaguars, but now I'm kind of obsessed with

00:33:16.440 jaguars. What is your fascination with, with animals? Is there something specific about them

00:33:21.920 that you feel like, man, this is why I'm so fascinated. I'll give you an example. Uh, I asked

00:33:26.540 my son, this was a couple of years ago. I said, what, what do you like so much about animals? I

00:33:31.540 think he was talking about a mountain lion in particular. And he says, dad, I just love the way

00:33:34.820 they move. And you can see their muscles flex and, and just to see how, how their legs and their feet

00:33:41.260 move. Like he's very, very fascinated with this. Uh, is there something like that for you? Or,

00:33:45.960 or is it just this broad sense of understanding and getting to know them?

00:33:51.360 That's a great question. And kudos to your son for recognizing something like that about a 0.82

00:33:55.560 mountain lion as compared to like, Oh, I like how they have big teeth.

00:33:58.360 Of course. Right. Sure.

00:34:00.000 He's, he's, he's got it.

00:34:01.340 It's a little bit, yeah, it's a little bit more, um, it's different than your normal

00:34:05.080 kid who would see a mountain lion, what they would be excited about. There's something different.

00:34:08.880 Right. Every animal doesn't matter if it's a scorpion, a mountain lion, a humpback whale,

00:34:16.180 a Wolverine, each animal is designed perfectly. We're always searching in lives for the definition

00:34:23.400 of perfection. And it's something that we as humans, unfortunately, we'll never be able to

00:34:27.620 obtain. But each animal individually, whether it's the unique animal itself or an entire species,

00:34:33.560 they all have accomplished perfection in their own right. Their muscular structure,

00:34:38.580 their ability to survive, travel, exist within the environment. It's something that we as humans

00:34:43.940 really can't do. Think about the struggles that we have. If your cell phone runs out of battery and

00:34:49.900 you're not going to be around your phone charger for the next six hours, we panic, right? Um, we're

00:34:55.260 so tied to so many unnatural things as our own unique species of animal on this planet. Yet all of

00:35:02.420 these creatures that exist naturally without the, uh, advancements of technology and society

00:35:07.940 exist perfectly without anything other than what the planet gives them. And I think that's what

00:35:13.600 really fascinates me and why each animal is so special and unique because they're all perfectly

00:35:19.500 designed to survive. Yeah, that's, that's an interesting perspective. I think you're right on

00:35:25.160 with that. Uh, it is sad and I was going to say people, but I would, I would be included in that

00:35:30.620 category that we have made life, our lives so easy through our, through our intelligence and our

00:35:37.620 quest to create a better environment for ourselves that we've really hindered our ability to perfect

00:35:44.240 what our bodies and minds can, can do. I mean, I, I see men and I, fortunately I'm in the position

00:35:50.120 where I have opportunities to talk with some of the most successful men on the planet who have

00:35:55.360 developed in a certain aspect, but I've, I've yet to have met somebody who's perfected anything like

00:36:01.360 an animal has perfected his ability to adapt to the environment. It's pretty incredible.

00:36:06.680 Well, it's interesting that you said that we've made things easier for ourselves, but have we made

00:36:11.260 it easier or have we made it harder? If we were back in a more primal stage, certainly there would be

00:36:17.300 a fair share of struggles, but I, I often will fantasize about, man, what it would have been

00:36:22.840 like to be one of the early explorers, you know, coming across the United States for the first time

00:36:28.000 and a much more simplistic way of life, but a much more dangerous way of life. It's, it's got its pros

00:36:32.840 and cons, but it's a, a very, you know, glorious thought to be like, man, seeing some of these animals

00:36:38.700 in the wild the first time before, you know, we kind of overran it as humans would have been pretty cool.

00:36:45.340 Yeah. It's, it's, it's easier in a lot of ways and more difficult in a lot of ways too. And,

00:36:51.380 and, and the difficulties that we, we face are, uh, they're, they're first world problems, right?

00:36:57.500 Like, uh, I can't get on my phone. The internet is down or I'm a little cold because the heater

00:37:02.160 isn't working or whatever it might be, but the odds of us dying or, or facing some sort of

00:37:07.300 catastrophic event is significantly lower than it's ever been. Yeah, that's for sure.

00:37:12.060 Is there a, uh, is there an experience with a particular animal that you have yet to have

00:37:17.580 encountered that, that you're really working towards, uh, creating in your life?

00:37:23.240 Um, you know, every adventure that I go on has the unique opportunity to present me with

00:37:28.920 something that hasn't happened before. Right. Um, I mean, there's countless species that I,

00:37:33.920 I still want to get the chance to get close with or catch on camera at some point in time,

00:37:38.440 Komodo dragons, great white sharks, harpy eagles, uh, griffin vultures, hyenas in the wild,

00:37:44.840 uh, African wild dogs. I mean, that's the cool thing about my job is that, you know,

00:37:49.460 you pick up an animal encyclopedia, you open it up to any page and there's a good chance that

00:37:53.920 I haven't even encountered that animal yet. And I've had hundreds of encounters. So it's sort of

00:37:59.060 this endless wellspring of opportunity. And I'm just always excited about what is going to be the next

00:38:05.000 expedition and what am I going to see on it? Man, let me hit the pause button,

00:38:09.600 the timeout real quick. Uh, I want to talk with you about leadership. Uh, this is something that

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00:39:10.740 council. You can do that right after the show guys. For now, let's finish up my conversation with

00:39:14.900 coyote. So for, for men who are listening, who for themselves want to have some of these experiences

00:39:20.980 or want to create some experiences for their children, what are some recommendations that you

00:39:25.500 have? Um, well, I know it probably sounds a little ridiculous, but you know, with this book coming out

00:39:31.780 today, brave adventures, a lot of it really begins right at home. I mean, you can either watch a YouTube

00:39:38.440 video before you go to bed, or you can take brave adventures and read a 12 page, you know, fully

00:39:43.840 detailed. This is what the adventure was like and, and cause those kids to use their imaginations. Um,

00:39:50.000 a big part of making this book for us, you know, and the brave adventure series is to really

00:39:54.580 encourage kids to read. And I, and I say read because reading has to do with research and

00:39:59.960 research has to do with simulating the imagination, that imagination then transcends into getting

00:40:05.180 outside to explore on their own. And certainly if they're young under the supervision of a parent,

00:40:09.820 but eventually you get to that age where it's like, yep, I'm going further into the woods than I

00:40:13.620 ever have before. And before you know it, you're going to another country to explore. And it's,

00:40:17.780 it's just that modern sort of mindset that is what we're really trying to encourage with,

00:40:24.960 with families and kids specifically is to really just get outside and start exploring.

00:40:30.500 I mean, I think that's powerful because there's a lot of dads. I'm a father. Are you a father?

00:40:35.480 So yeah, I have an 11 year old daughter.

00:40:37.300 Okay. So it's important for us. And you said this earlier for us to foster this in our children. We think

00:40:43.620 a lot of the times that they're going to naturally gravitate towards something and they might,

00:40:46.920 but unless we learn to foster these curiosities, I think we really limit themselves. So this is

00:40:51.620 actually something that we started to do as well as since I got your book several weeks ago,

00:40:55.940 we've started to read and go through the stories. And then of course we go out and we try to recreate

00:41:01.360 our own experiences. We don't, I'm not really interested in getting stung by anything or bit by

00:41:05.520 anything. I can't imagine you are either, but that probably gives a perspective that most people

00:41:10.860 wouldn't consider. Um, but yeah, I mean, just creating some moments for us to be outside and

00:41:17.460 in nature with these animals is, has been pretty powerful. And then of course being inspired by

00:41:21.220 what you're doing too. Well, when I was a younger kid, you know, I certainly grew up on stuff and

00:41:25.960 I'll just use Jurassic park as the example. While I clearly knew there were no dinosaurs in my woods,

00:41:31.620 my neighborhood friends and I would go out feeling as if, you know, we were Dr. Grant and those kids

00:41:37.240 lost in the park with the power being out. Right. So we would, we would create scenarios for ourselves

00:41:43.680 of having to survive and live off the land and pretend that we were seeing dinosaurs out in our

00:41:48.740 woods. I mean, that's just all imagination driven. And, you know, with something like a book, what's,

00:41:53.520 what's cool about it, you know, there's, I just feel there's not enough kids that are still reading

00:41:57.360 these days, but the adventures that we're trying to put down on the pages of a book will hopefully

00:42:01.960 really stick into kids' minds at night. And then, you know, you're on summer break,

00:42:06.180 you're on the weekend and you read a chapter before bed and the next day you may wake up and

00:42:09.840 say, okay, I'm going to go out and pretend to have that scenario in my own backyard or in the

00:42:13.740 woods or in my tree fort, whatever it might be. And that's really just where it all starts at a young

00:42:19.040 age. And like I said earlier, you never know who you're going to inspire to take that next big jump

00:42:23.180 into education and conservation. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Is there, I'm going to go back to the

00:42:28.700 sting thing because I'm fascinated by this. What, what, what brought that about? Like what, what in your

00:42:34.700 mind did you say, you know what, I'm going to deliberately and intentionally get stung by this

00:42:38.300 animal for, or because blank, help me, help me connect the dots there. So all of the, me intentionally

00:42:48.320 taking any pain from something began with a porcupine, but I won't go into that story. I'll tell you the

00:42:55.920 story of where it really originates from. And, and, you know, bless my mom's heart. My mom's phenomenal.

00:43:00.580 She actually did all the illustrations in the brave adventures books. Oh, she did. I didn't know

00:43:04.280 that. Yeah. She, she does all the illustrations in the adventure series. Um, she lives in Arizona

00:43:10.020 and the stings actually originate from her because she was stung by something called a harvester ant

00:43:14.740 and there was a whole nest of them in her backyard, but she won't destroy any like pest insects or

00:43:19.660 anything like that. And actually the horned lizards love to eat harvester ants. So she's like, I'm just

00:43:23.580 going to let these ants go wild and build their giant nest. It'll bring in the horned lizards. And my mom 1.00

00:43:28.320 likes seeing these lizards. So she was warning me about the ants and it's like, Oh, don't get stung.

00:43:32.740 It's really bad. I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And so my producing team and I, myself, Mark and

00:43:37.700 Mario, we were, let's see how bad a sting really is. And then it became this joke of, Oh, how long can

00:43:43.340 you keep your hands in the ant mound? And honestly, this is where it began. And we filmed this video that

00:43:48.720 we never thought was going to be released. We ended up releasing it. People started talking about the

00:43:53.720 bullet ant. Then we started doing research. I found Justin Schmidt, who's an entomologist based

00:43:58.560 in Arizona that created the insect sting pain index. And there was this roadmap for, let's see how many

00:44:04.780 of these things I can get stung by to then bring to the audience what that experience is going to be.

00:44:08.460 And that's honestly where it started. What, uh, what is the worst sting that you've ever experienced?

00:44:14.920 Uh, the worst thing is from something called an executioner wasp. And we actually redefined the

00:44:19.540 insect sting pain index in our own way. Uh, this last year when I was stung by something called a

00:44:24.980 Japanese giant hornet, and then followed that up with an executioner wasp. So those two are the most

00:44:29.820 painful stings on the planet right now. And so what, tell me a little bit about that,

00:44:34.080 that experience, that feeling, like what actually happened?

00:44:38.560 You don't really remember a whole lot of it in the moment. Some of that pain is so intense. You're,

00:44:43.820 you almost like are like a deer in headlights and you just kind of go, you're eclipsed under this

00:44:49.520 wave of like insane pain shooting up your arm. And then my job of course, is to try to maintain

00:44:55.640 some sort of semblance of coherency so that I can then explain to the audience through the lens of

00:45:01.160 the camera, what it is I'm going through. What am I feeling? What is the venom doing? Is it getting

00:45:07.380 worse? Am I going to be able to take the pain, add a little dramatics to that situation and it becomes

00:45:12.340 pretty educational and pretty, pretty entertaining. Yeah. I, so is it poison that is actually going

00:45:17.880 through your arm in a sting like that or, or it's, it's venom. It's, it's venom. So venom is

00:45:22.720 something that's injected into your body through a stinger or fangs or teeth. Poison would be like

00:45:28.040 the skin of a poison frog or poison Ivy, like in the form of like an oil or something like that.

00:45:33.420 Oh, interesting. Okay. So poison is more like an external oil and a venom is injected. Am I

00:45:39.220 understanding that correctly? Yeah. And it's a, it's a, it's a bit of a gray area. You could,

00:45:43.840 you could, I could talk poison versus venom for hours, but from the grand perspective of,

00:45:50.260 of nature, stings and bites are venomous and poison is something that's applied to your skin.

00:45:55.580 So there are no poisonous snakes. They're venomous snakes. Poisonous spiders. They're all venomous

00:46:01.420 spiders. Right. But there are poisonous frogs, for example. Correct. Yes. Makes sense. Makes sense.

00:46:07.680 All right. So you've got, you've got several books, you've got 15 million people or so following

00:46:13.440 you on YouTube. You've, you've been awarded an Emmy. Like you've got this show coming up. Like,

00:46:19.340 how do you begin to top this? How do you continue to drive on? Like what is next and where do you see

00:46:23.760 this going from here? Just the next adventure. Everyone that we embark upon is the next chance to

00:46:30.840 catch it on camera, share it with the world and just build and build and build our audience. The more

00:46:36.200 people that we can get excited about animals, the more people that we can bring this awareness of

00:46:40.760 animals to. I mean, that's the, that's the mission at the end of the day and getting to do things like

00:46:45.160 write books and, and encourage kids to read and, and explore the outdoors is just such a huge part of

00:46:51.840 our mission. It has more to do with inspiring the future generations of explorers and adventurers

00:46:57.680 really than anything else. Cause it's, it's the kids that are going to make the difference in the

00:47:02.220 future. Do you ever feel like you're exposing yourself to unnecessary risk that makes you

00:47:10.940 question whether or not you're doing the right thing? Not really. Um, we do a lot of research,

00:47:16.860 especially before I do any of the intentional bites or stings. Um, I know exactly what I'm getting

00:47:21.540 myself into. We always have safety personnel either on set with us or close by or local emergency

00:47:28.560 centers or hospitals on call that, Hey, we're about to do this. If something happens, be ready. Um,

00:47:34.980 so yeah, this is, it's not as, as wild west off the cuff as you would think, especially when you're

00:47:42.120 talking about, you know, doing something intentionally. So, uh, we take all the proper

00:47:46.300 care and precautions necessary. And anytime you're doing anything in the wilderness, whether it's,

00:47:50.420 it's hiking or you're making an animal adventure show, it's, it's good to always have crossed all

00:47:55.200 your T's and dot your eyes. Yeah, no doubt. Of course, because you are exposing yourself to more

00:48:00.380 risk than probably the average person in a lot of ways. Um, and I imagine too, that level of risk

00:48:05.700 is something that you've calculated and told yourself directly or indirectly that I'm, I'm willing to take

00:48:12.580 this risk because of, of the fact that you're doing what you enjoy and what you feel like maybe

00:48:16.460 you're, I don't know, called to do. I'm in New York city right now on the media tour for the brave

00:48:22.580 adventures book. And I would honestly say there are more risks just walking on the street.

00:48:27.260 Yeah. Great point. I've probably faced in all of my time filming this past month in Brazil.

00:48:32.660 Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Great point. I'm less comfortable in a big city environment than I

00:48:37.140 am in the middle of nowhere in, in the Southern Pantanal. Do you feel like, uh, where you're in

00:48:43.100 New York right now, do you feel like you, you relate well with people? Do you feel like that that's

00:48:48.040 not an issue for you? Do you feel like, man, I just rather be out here alone or potentially with

00:48:52.740 my camera crew and an animal? Like what is the balance like for you when it comes to interacting

00:48:57.320 in, in the wild and being in nature versus being in civilization?

00:49:02.160 Well, my favorite place to be is definitely out in the wild, not an adventure, but I equally enjoy

00:49:08.000 the chances to come into the big cities to do promotion for shows or books. Um, really because

00:49:14.580 this is a big part of my job as well. It's spreading the message. It's getting people

00:49:18.420 excited about, you know, a book or a show, because if you don't do that, if you, if you

00:49:23.440 don't, if you're not proud about what it is that your profession is, your job and the people

00:49:28.260 that are helping you accomplish the task, um, you're not giving everybody else the due credit

00:49:32.940 that they deserve. I have a team, not only with my, my partners at little Brown, but animal

00:49:38.600 planet, YouTube, everybody, they all work so hard to make these, these things possible.

00:49:44.760 I have to be the face to go out and make sure that everybody knows that it's there. It's,

00:49:48.760 it's all a very delicate balance, but one that's equally important on every level.

00:49:54.400 Right on. Well, I want to be respectful of your time and I know we're, we're snugging up

00:49:58.440 against that timeline for you. I do want to ask you a couple of questions as, as we wind

00:50:02.040 down here. The first one is what does it mean to be a man?

00:50:05.040 To be a man. Well, certainly the beard has a lot to do with it.

00:50:09.940 No doubt. Of course.

00:50:11.240 As a beard game champion. Um, I'm, I believe that a beard is a big part of it sometimes,

00:50:17.040 but in all honesty, I think it, it has to do with, um, being honest and being honest is

00:50:23.980 not only being truthful to the people that are around you, but also being able to admit

00:50:28.040 when you've made a mistake or that you're wrong. Um, I think a lot of us try to be so macho

00:50:33.340 these days. It's a more manly thing to stand up and say, you know what? That was my bad,

00:50:38.280 my mistake. I was a, my, my bad caller, or, uh, you know, it was, I made the, made the wrong

00:50:44.840 choice here. Um, and I'm not saying that I'm somebody that makes a lot of bad choices or

00:50:48.780 bad calls, but I, I just always like to be the first to admit if I was wrong about something.

00:50:53.360 And I think that's a thing that not enough of us do these days.

00:50:56.340 I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Well, again, I want to let you know that, uh, that

00:51:01.400 I'm glad that you came on the conversation, the podcast today. I know the guys are going

00:51:05.960 to love what we had to, uh, discuss. And I want to thank you too, for, you know, being

00:51:10.720 open and sharing some of that, because these are important conversations, our interactions

00:51:15.020 and even maybe are not disagreements, but our different ways of looking at our involvement

00:51:20.780 in, in nature and the environment. So I really appreciate your time and you sharing some

00:51:25.200 your wisdom with us today. Absolutely. No, I appreciate it. Everybody is always certainly

00:51:29.700 entitled to their own opinion. And when you have good, you know, heart and reason that

00:51:35.080 backs it up, then it's, it's valid. You know, we're all unique as individuals and are all

00:51:39.160 going to have our own beliefs. And I think at the end of the day, we're all after the same

00:51:42.960 goal, which is, um, get a message out to somebody and a message that you believe in. And that's

00:51:48.520 what's important. Right on. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Have

00:51:52.520 a great day. Gentlemen, there you go. The one and only Coyote Peterson. I hope that you

00:51:57.620 enjoyed that one. Like I said, a little bit different than it normally is on the order

00:52:01.120 of man podcast, but it's always good to break things up. And, and this guy's fascinating

00:52:04.780 and he's been very, very successful. So I thought it was perfectly aligned with what

00:52:09.980 we're all about. And if you listen to this without your children, then I would highly encourage

00:52:14.000 you to listen to it with your children and also pick up a copy of his new book, brave

00:52:18.920 adventures. I've been reading this with my two oldest boys in particular, because they're

00:52:22.840 big fans of coyotes and it's been fun. It's been entertaining. It's been fun. We've had

00:52:27.220 a good time reading about it, discussing it. And of course it's, uh, got them a little bit

00:52:33.300 more interested in being outdoors and nature and wilderness and exploring things that we do

00:52:39.420 anyways, but, uh, I've noticed a, a new excitement for it. So kind of a cool resource. Anyways,

00:52:46.260 guys, I hope you enjoyed it. Uh, make sure you connect with coyote on YouTube, very active

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00:53:27.680 here. All right, guys, I'm going to sign out, uh, until tomorrow for the ask me anything

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Order of Man - September 24, 2019

Animal Encounters ｜ COYOTE PETERSON

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