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In this episode of the podcast, I chat with my good friend Kip about mental health, mental health issues and how to overcome them. We talk about the importance of mental health and how we can all be better husbands, fathers and husbands in general.
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when it comes to depression you know you have all this this clinical ideas and thoughts about it
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therapy and that can work and there's value but the first thing that a man needs to do is get out
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of his mind and into his body breath work cold exposure heat exposure box breathing like whatever
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you can do to get out of your mind and into your body is going to help you be a more integrated
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person and you're just immediately gonna feel better like if you sat and breathed you would
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feel better things are gonna slip away like that fog that you're feeling that haze will definitely
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improve kip what's up man great to see you this friday for our wednesday ask me anything you got
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any uh good plans coming up this weekend um freaking iron man i have long distance run today a long
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distance bike and still trying to learn how to swim that's my weekend and the wife is out of town so oh
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so you got the kids too yeah yeah so that's why you're going for your long run and your long bike
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ride is because the kids are there you're like i'm out of here when they're there when they're when
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your wife's there you do the short stuff but when they're when she's not and the kids are there you're
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like ah this is a good time to go on a long long run yeah i'll see you guys in five hours yeah what's
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what's the what's the distance this weekend that you're gonna do um probably about just up to about
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eight miles on the right uh and then the bike uh i want to get up to 35 40 miles on the bike
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and you'll do that consecutively or you'll do that two to two consecutive days yeah two consecutive
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days yeah yeah i'm not ready to start combining them the swimming is probably you would think i don't
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know what the iron man distance is i know there's i don't get iron man there's like seven different
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types of iron man it's like is it shouldn't there just be one but it isn't so yeah what's the
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distance that you swim in the actual race itself the iron man itself yeah it's a little over a mile
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so it's about a mile and a half so i'm doing the i thought it was like two miles is that yeah i'm
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doing this yeah i'm doing the seven the 70.3 iron man which is like a half iron man so i'm not
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doing the marathon at the end i'm doing a half marathon i think the bike is 50 something 57 miles
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versus a century which is 100 and then the the swims um a little over a mile yeah got it so you're
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taking the easy way out got it i'm just kidding yeah there's i well i've ran marathons i can't
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imagine running a marathon after riding a bike 100 miles yeah that like i've i've ran a bike max max
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distance on a bike i've ridden um in a race called lodoja in a single leg was a little over 40 miles
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and anyone that doesn't bike it's wild it's really really interesting like when you run
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your body you have really great feedback from your body right you're thirsty you need nutrition it
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it you just act on your natural tendencies from uh from a calorie and from a nutrition perspective
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on the bike it's drastically different i had a leg of 40 miles i felt great i felt great i'm like oh
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i just need some water and i had all this nutrients i was going to take i'm like oh should i eat that
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i'm like no i don't want to eat that i feel fine and then i got to the end of that leg and my body i'm
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not joking it sounds really dramatic but my body just stopped working my legs that's dramatic at
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all yeah they just they just cramped up it felt like i had knives all over my legs and i couldn't
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get like i was sitting there and it was hurting and i i'm like what is wrong with me and i remember
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telling my wife i'm like i think i'm out i can't even walk i can't barely sit here and and she's
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like well did you eat eat and i was like no ate some food 15 minutes later i'm like
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put me back in coach i feel fine it was fascinating to me it's so interesting because that's like to
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to tie that into how that might help these guys is like you have yeah sure listen to the feedback but
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sometimes you're just not going to get feedback in life you know so for example uh in a relationship
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where you might be struggling with um with connection with your wife she might not be giving
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you the feedback that you that would help you to be a better husband because maybe there's a wall
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built up or uh maybe there's some some contention and some resentment and animosity of years of of
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neglect or abuse or something and and what i think a lot of guys will do is we're constantly seeking
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for validation on our actions am i doing right am i doing good am i getting acknowledged am i being
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awarded whether it's a relationship or a business and sometimes most of the time you're just not
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going to get feedback and you have to still do the right things regardless of the fact that nobody's
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giving you validation or compliments so i can see how that would be a struggle to still force yourself
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to hydrate to eat because you don't know if it's working or not totally well and i even relate that
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to leadership i mean it's really funny it's like as leaders were like oh get feedback from you people
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you think they're 100% honest with you you own the stick of whether you keep someone employed or not
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most people are not why would they put that risk they would not risk themselves and so you have to double
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down in the way you show up to ensure that people are at least willing to maybe give you feedback but
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to your point you're never going to get the level of feedback that you think you're getting in fact well not only
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that you'll probably get feedback that's not inaccurate that is not you know completely true
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absolutely and and you got to be very careful in regards to how you're showing up regardless of
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that feedback well i had one of our leaders in the iron council tell me because he he works with all of
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the battle team leader mentors and he he said hey i i asked so and so about um you know how how what did
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he say like how he's doing or how the team's doing or something and i said did you ask it just like that
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he's like yeah i said well that's not a great question and and he's like why is that and i said
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because if you ask somebody like how's it going everybody's just going to say good that's just what
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they're going to say and so when when when we are trying to solicit feedback from people and they're
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just giving you really surface level answers platitudes be aware of that because what that
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could be well it could be a trust issue like you were talking about but it could be a question issue
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meaning you didn't ask a good question so a better question than saying hey how's everything going
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is tell me one thing right now that's going really well with your team and then they answer and that's
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very specific and then the second question is tell me one thing that's not going so well with your
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team right now now that's two questions but those are so much better questions than how's it going
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so think about that when you're talking with your people if you're not getting good answers it's likely
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that you're not asking good questions and or they're not comfortable or safe around you to give you the
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true honest feedback you might be looking for totally well and i love those two questions because
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those work perfectly ryan even with personal feedback and so if you and i did an event well
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let's say we had a speaking engagement you would not say hey how did we do any feedback it's like
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to your point they're not going to respond to that but you've said what is one thing about the
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presentation that really benefited you what's one thing that wasn't as valuable or deterred from the
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effectiveness of the message right people give you those absolutely and that's how you
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should ask that question yeah yeah i mean as a professional asker of questions i've spent a lot
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of time thinking like what is and and sometimes you get those hyper those poignant questions like that
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and then they go and another good question is what else but that type of question only comes after you
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get the the well running and and then that'll continue to elicit more and more feedback from them so
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anyways well good man well good luck this weekend with the iron man i was when you were talking about
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your body giving you feedback uh anytime i go running my body gives me feedback and it basically
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just says stop doing this we do not like this yeah you're like this sucks you know it's funny
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so i i just had a four mile run and a and a four mile bike is all i did this morning
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my ankle completely hurts right now and i have no idea why like i literally got out of the shower
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and all of a sudden ah i can't walk on my ankle i'm like dude this sucks like yeah i was hobbling
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around the other day and my oldest son is like what happened what's what happened what'd you do i'm like
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i slept yeah and he's like what do you mean i said that's what i did i woke up i woke up and my back
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hurt so i didn't do any i just i literally slept and i'm hurting so yeah because that's what happens
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welcome to old age yeah all right man let's get to some questions these guys are probably like what
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the hell are these guys talking about can they get to some questions here all right so peter
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rock rock zoco whoa he's foreign absolutely foreign all right there you go this may be off topic
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but i'm curious do you know where your family comes from i mean before they came to america your
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surname sounds german is it german if so do you know which region and when i'm very interested in
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such family history yeah so i am german um my grandmother and grandfather on my dad's side are
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german so that's where michler comes from um i also have a lot of scottish heritage as well and then on
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my mom's side uh french which i'm totally upset about but you know i can't control it i can't go back in
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time on that one but no so you know i haven't done much digging so i can't give you a better answer
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than that i really should um my my great grandfather's name was auto and i have a carl and
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so yeah we're very german on on my dad's side and i have actually never been to germany but i would like
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to go and i think before i do that i'll dig in but you know there's there's something deeper here too
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i do believe that for a man it's good to know where you come from and i'm saying that as somebody
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who doesn't really know but when you start to figure out who your ancestors were and what they
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did for work and how they showed up and you know what they accomplished i think about well so i don't
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know if you can see these cans right here can you see these yeah yeah they're a little they're blurred
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but they're yeah but i can see two cans on the right hand side of the axe yeah so i have a a great
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i think he's a great great uncle who uh in san francisco as far as i understand and my mom helped
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me see this he was a extremely extremely successful business owner and he owned a uh they they made beer
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so this is wheel and beer right here and those are cans from when the factory was in place and i have
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pictures of their facility and it's this big beautiful brick building unlike they make them
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anymore today and his industriousness and um you know what he created from nothing just his mind and
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his thoughts and ideas inspires me you know and i don't know who it is um i i don't know much about
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him other than some of that history but it's pretty cool and it ties you to something and i think gives
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you a little bit of uh inspiration and motivation that you come from a line of incredible people and
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you should carry on that tradition and try to be an incredible person for your legacy as well
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yeah and honor their sacrifice right so many of us especially in america
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um we might have we might have ancestors that sacrificed huge right for us to be uh born and
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raised in in this wonderful country this is super fun so my great great grandfather um from denmark
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um his dad's name was soren okay right and on the danish side that's where the last name sorenson
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comes from is son of soren soren soren son right yeah and so sounds way cooler than sorenson by the way
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yeah you should just maybe we'll switch it up yeah you should you should be like i'm a kid son of soren
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son of soren yeah yeah but that's that's what it was saying right that's that's what you're saying
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in your last name is you're the son of soren um so my great great grandfather came from denmark
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settled in uh central utah in a cat in a town called elsinore now what's the fun part is else
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before it was called elsinore it was called little denmark yeah there's a that's a that's a there's a lot of
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sorenson's and what's the other name um peterson's johnson jorgensen jorgensen's yep yes yes i knew
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that actually yeah but keep going in the state of utah you if if we had phone books still the so there's
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tons of sorenson's in the state of utah here's the cool part so i went to copenhagen i went to
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denmark with the family this is probably about five six years ago if i remember correctly
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and outside of copenhagen is this town called elsinore which i didn't know that and it was an
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accident that we ran like we're driving and i see the sign elsinore it's you know spelled slightly
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different i was like no way that's wild to me but um super cool super cool i i love i love this kind of
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stuff and and like you i don't i probably don't invest as much time as i should in regards to
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understanding my ancestry but when i do it i don't know it fires me up it makes me proud yeah
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and makes me want to show up better i do know on my mom's side they came from france and and they
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uh settled in canada and eventually made their way down from canada and settled in um this is my
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my maternal grandmother settled her and her family settled in oklahoma so we've got roots in oklahoma
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from canada by way of france it's pretty interesting to see how people migrate and like you said
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you know if if i wanted to move to the united if i lived in france and wanted to move to the united
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states i i could do that you know pretty easily but 100 200 500 years ago i mean we're talking about
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traversing the sea with a higher greater degree of of potentially dying on the trip and losing kids and
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losing limbs and and getting sick and uh you know attack uh running across warring tribes and and all
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sorts of hostile foreign hostility like it's so wild to think about how much easier life is that's
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what's always interesting to me when when people have this romanticized version probably because the
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movies of you know i i was born in the wrong era i i should have been born in in during the roman
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empire or like these these ideas that people have i'm like i don't i don't think you have an accurate
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representation of how horrible it would be knowing what you know now and how soft we have it going to
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where where they don't have the same technology and creature comforts and modern devices and medical
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advancements it's not as glamorous as i think people make it out to be totally you know what comes to
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mine is like things like trauma and anxiety and depression it's like no one had it back then why
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because they were just trying to stay alive yeah right just staying alive was like on maslow's
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hierarchy of needs they're just at the bottom right right and just trying to survive which is just wild
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yeah all right um david uh superco as you grow into a better christian husband father how do you guide
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your sons that you have been letting slide with behavior and ambitions that are less than your
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standards older son uh older son 12 daughter nine youngest son is six if needed for reference
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yeah i i mean first good on you for catching it because a lot of people just don't catch it and they
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just go with the flow and they do what they've always done and so it can be difficult and anytime you
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create change in somebody's situation they're going to rail against it you know they're going to
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question it they're going to be upset they're going to be bothered they're going to be frustrated
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and so you're going to have some contentious moments as you're trying to enforce a new standard
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but i think the first step is to sit down with your children and your wife and and not just in
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one conversation but in multiple conversations that takes place at the dinner table and maybe it's
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evening meeting or a morning meeting before you start or maybe sunday is family day but whatever
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it is you're going to sit down and you're going to start talking about what the standard actually is
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so i would get on the same page if you're married get on the same page with your wife and say hey hon
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this is what i'm thinking about doing and here's why i think it's important what do you think about it
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and i and i think probably for the most part she'll be on board and you start talking about standards
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whether it's screen time or video game time or how you're to be spoken to or your schedule or
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getting homework done or making sure chores are done every saturday morning like whatever your
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standard is you and your wife come up with a list of things and and you get on the same page about
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what that looks like because what you don't want to have happen is for you to start enforcing standard
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on your kids and your wife's like wait wait what what are we doing i'm not doing i never signed up for
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that i like this and and now all of a sudden you have the parents who are at odds with each other
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and even when parents aren't at odds with each other kids are still really good at splitting and
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fracturing a relationship like that they will manipulate it and they will exploit vulnerabilities
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in the relationship to their advantage i don't think they're evil little monsters necessarily but it's
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just human nature so you guys have to be synced up on that and then once you come up with those
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standards then i would get the kids involved what was it 12 9 and 6 what were the ages
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um yeah 12 uh 12 and 9 and and 6 yep 12 9 and 6 so um they're old enough that they can actually be
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involved in the process so let them i would actually involve them in the process before i started telling
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them what the standard was because i i'd be willing to bet that if you have some real good conversations
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around why it's important we show up as a family and why standards are important and how we've been
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letting them slip through the cracks and you ask them what do you guys think about these things i i would
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be willing to bet that they actually come up with a lot of the same or similar ideas that you and your
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wife have but here's the difference and this one comes from your playbook kip if they say it they own
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it if you say it there's less ownership in that you'll get compliance because you can
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restrict them you can take away video games you can ground that you can do all the things so they'll
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they'll comply but they won't be bought in but if they come up with the ideas they will and then from
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there it's enforcement and that's the hard part you have to enforce and the hardest thing about
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enforcement for parents is not that your kids are going to be bothered by it it's that you are going to
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have to sacrifice as a father you're going to have to put more time in you're going to have to have
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conversations you don't want to have you're going to have to sacrifice some of your own personal
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hobbies and things because that's just what it takes so prepare brace yourself for it what advice
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or what additional thoughts do you have for david in the event that it's not so much standards for the
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kids but he's coming to the realization that he has let his standards slip oh did i misunderstand that
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he's well i don't i i think so maybe a little bit but i think both are highly valuable but he's letting
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his standards slip and he needs to step back into living by those standards yeah that that actually i
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think i won't say easier but it's pretty simple um again figure out what your standards are so it's the
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same process figure out what your standards are and then you have to communicate with the people
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who will be impacted by new decisions that you're making so easy example maybe you're not as fit as
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you once were your wife will definitely appreciate you being more fit because you're going to be more
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attractive and have more energy and sex drive and libido and she's going to be attracted that way so
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she's going to appreciate it your kids are going to appreciate it because you'll have more energy and
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you'll be able to play with them more you won't be as irritable and there's just a lot more benefit to
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that but still if you're going to start getting up and going to the gym at 5 a.m every morning that
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might not work for her schedule for whatever maybe that's her gym time or if you're going to start
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eating cleaner but she's used to making a certain kind of food and and now you're like nope i don't eat
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that like she's going to be confused and frustrated by that so when you start coming up with these
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standards it's really important to tell your wife hey babe like i'm i'm gonna get into shape i'm gonna
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clean up my diet i'm gonna work out and then coordinate with her what's the best time for me
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to work out with your schedule i'm not asking you for permission i'm trying to coordinate with you
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when it comes to food can we you know if she makes the dinners and the meals it's like can we
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shift gears a little bit and go towards this as i'm trying to be on this journey um and same thing
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with the kids let them know hey you're gonna see changes in dad and um i want you to be aware of
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that and be prepared for that because uh i want to be here and i want to be available to you guys
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get them involved in the process um and explain why it's important but here's the key here's the key
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and not at not very many people do this if you start talking with the people in your life about
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the things that you're going to do then you have to do it otherwise not only are you lazy you're also
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now a liar and you undermine your credibility and trust with them so if you tell your wife hey babe
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i'm gonna start going to the gym and i want to eat better and you keep eating like a garbage disposal
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and you miss the gym 70 of the time she's gonna think less of you than she did before so be aware
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of that yeah and then next time you're like oh i'm gonna get my fitness in shape she's gonna go
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yeah whatever you've done this before right and confidence is lost yeah well this is why so many
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guys and i hear this all the time guys will say oh ryan i want to start this business but my wife
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doesn't believe in me yeah why should she you know how many businesses have you wanted to start
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how many times have you talked about doing this how many times have you expressed interest in doing
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an iron man or starting a business or being more kind or getting in shape zero you know and it's like
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yeah zero but the more the more that you do this and then don't actually follow through like why would
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you expect her to believe you what right do you think that you have to her allegiance just because
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you said you're going to do another thing that you haven't done in the past yeah props david for
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recognizing where you're at and also i think you see the importance of letting your kids know
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hey i'm not living up to the standards i should be and i'm going to do something about it and if
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you're a man of your word and you're you're a man of integrity and you follow up on your actions
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dude it's inspirational right because you just taught your boys you're teaching your kids and
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your daughter that hey standards are important and we're not living by them we pivot and we adjust and
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and they're seeing that being modeled through you which makes now gives them possibility and
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opportunity to see that for themselves super powerful stuff um i don't think we realize how
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impactful our actions are on our kids um and so props to you david for for stepping up right and
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wanting to be a better version of yourself well and you know there's one other thing that i want to say
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and um sometimes we believe that if we don't bring things to attention that people won't notice
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right so maybe your health has slipped or maybe you're not doing as well mentally or emotionally as
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you have in the past and you don't want to bring it up because you don't want to rock the boat you
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don't want to make it weird or you don't want confrontation or so you just you bury it and what
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you think is well nobody knows right even subconsciously you act as if nobody knows no your
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your wife knows you're not in shape your kids know you're more irritable than you've been in the past
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so we we shouldn't bury that we should actually hide it yeah yeah it's better just to say hey guys
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like i have not been showing up and you know what they're gonna at least say in their mind yeah dad we
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know we know they may not vocalize you know now well and that's but that's the key so yeah what's
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interesting is that women will often say i did a podcast last week called the five lies that women
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tell men and one of them was i want a nice guy but complementary to that is women will say i want a
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guy who's vulnerable i want a guy who's in touch with his feelings and that's a lie that's not actually
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what you want i don't think it's deceitful or malicious but it's not true because the minute that
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a guy does that she gets the ick and she's less attracted but what i do think and i learned this
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from connor beaton with man talks he's got so much great information and he said you know ryan when a
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woman says that she's not actually she doesn't actually want you to spill all your baggage and
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bullcrap under her she just wants to know that you acknowledge it she doesn't want your weak men
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she wants to know that you are aware of your inefficiencies and your inadequacies and this has
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to have to have to happen as well that you're willing to do something about it so if you come
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to your wife and you're like babe i had a hard day and life's hard and people are mean to me and my
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boss yelled at me and my client fired me and all this kind of stuff she's like oh what a loser
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that's what she's gonna think now it might not be that harsh and drastic and dramatic but she's
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gonna think less of you but if you go to her and say babe listen this has been one hell of a week
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at work boss is upset because we missed the deadline clients upset because we missed the deadline and i am
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just stressed so if i'm irritable or short with you or distracted that's where it's coming from but
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again second part here's what i'm gonna do about it i know i'm stressed i know i've been frustrated
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and irritable lately and and i acknowledge that and you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna kick tail
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at work this week i'm gonna get back on top of it we're making a bunch of sales calls
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and we we're back on track with the schedule to get this to the client and things are easing up a
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little bit and i wanted to apologize and tell you that i'm working on fixing the problem
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now she doesn't get the ick she's like oh my gosh what a man like that that's a man
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a guy who can acknowledge his inadequacies do something or come up with a plan and then do
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something about it that's what she means when she says vulnerability she wants you to acknowledge
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what is wrong in you yeah yeah i love it man all right derek pitts i'm a god-fearing man and i have
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a family of five my oldest is 12 years old boy and i wanted to start opening up this shield with him
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and start exposing him to the world in a controlled environment so movies have kind of been my go-to way
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following up with another movie that is a little bit more on a moral level um this is a long question
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so i'll paraphrase the the net the rest of it his wife is kind of like all in she's just like let
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him pick whatever movie and he's kind of like no i i kind of want to ease him into the world right
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um as a controlled environment so recommendations that we have i you answer the question but i'm
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interested also in your thoughts right why movies you think because i don't i don't know why i just
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don't think movies when i think of ways to control an environment to teach my kids lessons
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most of the time i think about movies and i go yeah that's a false narrative or that's
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glamorized or you know what i mean i don't know if movies are a good a good choice but yeah i i think
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in some way you're outsourcing responsibility for those lessons those are lessons that you should be
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teaching and look movies are great i love good movies you know you're motivated you're excited
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it's aspirational if you see somebody like william wallace or maximus and gladiator i mean those are
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the two movies that come to mind because that's the type of movie i like in the genre um so i don't
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think there's anything wrong with that necessarily and and as far as recommendations i mean you you know
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break like braveheart saving private ryan uh man that might be a little gruesome for a 12 year old
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i don't know uh gladiator you know there's there's so many good inspirational manly movies that they
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can watch and and that's easy but i think create experiences i'm with you kip like create the
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experience you know how do you teach grit and resilience you guys go do workouts together every
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morning that's going to teach them how to be tougher than anything else go like when you guys when
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you go hang out with your boys maybe you go on a camp out or a hunting trip and invite him kip you've
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been on a number of hunts with me now my kids come with my boys they come with me because i want them
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to be around you and rick and you know seth and all the other guys that we spend time with i want them
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to be around those guys because that's going to create real meaningful um change i'll give you an
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example there's a gentleman by the name of zach evanish and he is in jersey he's a strength and
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fitness coach i think he's also a wrestling coach phenomenal guy and when my son brecken was young
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he was probably 12 or 13 zach came out to my place in in maine and brecken really respected and admired
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the guy and we did a workout together and zach i actually give zach a lot of the credit for getting
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my son into being fit and being healthy and then over the course of three to four years
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man he got tall he got lean he got strong he got into more sports he eventually went on to compete
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as an eighth grader in the high school national power lifting championship in in south carolina and
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did really really well out there and and that's sure i supported it but it was it was zach who got him
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fired up and sometimes i think is fathers we that's a little bit of a blow to our ego there's another
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guy um that that has helped him as well like there's just so many people that have helped him
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along the way and at first he would talk about these guys and i'm like well what's so great about
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them you know like that was my mentality and then later i was like no why am i undermining the men that
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he looks up to who are who are who are helping him who are guiding him who are instructing and leading
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him and i let other men step into those roles and backed out you know he brecken's got a great
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relationship with rick trimmer rick is incredibly successful when it comes to business i want my son
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to learn from him you know i want my son to learn from guys who who lift and train and the more you can
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get them around good men and if you by the way if you're not around good men then you can't get your
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son around good men so you got to figure that part out yourself but i would create more experiences
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than i would worry so much about the the movies the movies are just a support to the lessons that
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you should be teaching in real real world scenarios totally well and derek you know this and you kind
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of alluded this in the in the post it's like there's a bunch of garbage in there with it right
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like maybe i want my kid to watch this movie it's really great movie but there's like this
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inappropriate way by which this guy you know treats women it's like now i gotta like here let me prop
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up this character oh look at this guy overcoming stuff oh he has bad morals though don't don't
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don't attach to that part of this character son it's like you're gonna get garbage right and i was
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even thinking about this it's like what's more beneficial you know we expose our kids to the
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movie rudy like i love rudy rudy's a great movie like that's on the list of like your kids should
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watch that absolutely of course sandlot's on there too but i don't know if there's any moral lessons
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in sandlot other than it's enjoyable but so we have them watch rudy and what's more beneficial
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this hypothetical this kid is notre dame football finally gets some playing time and my son's like
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inspired but how how does he what's the distance between his circumstance and rudy's and how he can
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relate but him and i doing hard work in the backyard and delaying gratification because
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we're shoveling dirt is probably a better lesson and more tangible for him to learn from than an
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inspiring movie that people have a hard time because we put people on pedestals and then we
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are like we're so distant or so much different than them that we don't see how it relates to us
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right yeah and ryan you you taught me this over the years man you look for lessons to teach your
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kids all the time a little nuance hey dad that guy was weird why do you feel that way what's your
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internal thought process should we judge people right like it's all in these little moments that
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we teach them i don't think it's so much in front of a screen and the problem with the screen is you're
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going to get a lot of garbage with maybe some good lessons yeah you know so when you said that about
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teaching your kids lessons along the way i actually had a really funny experience the other day i was
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with my youngest son and um i was going to be going on a date a day or two later with with a woman and
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um yes with clearly a woman i don't know why i need to qualify it with
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maybe with a woman i just want to be clear she's a woman a cis cis woman um anyways i had to reserve
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some i had to reserve something so i was on the phone i'm like hey but i gotta take care of this
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real quick and i i got the thing reserved and my my youngest he's like oh what's that for i'm like
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oh i'm going on a date and he's like dad she's gonna have a really good time and i was like yeah
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she is gonna have a good time and it's my job to make sure that she does and it's important that we
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show up powerfully and it's important that we're prepared and it's important that we invest in people
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we care about like i explained that to him in real time and he's like oh i got it that makes sense this
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is a nine-year-old you know and so i had another experience we talked about on our ask me anything
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where um i took my oldest brecken into the bow shop and the guy was a total jerk you remember me
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telling you about that kip yes yes i do remember the guy was a total jerk and i ended up leaving
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and as i was leaving brecken was with me he's probably 13 or 14 at the time and i said how do
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you how'd that make you feel he's like that felt bad i said yeah it felt kind of horrible didn't he's
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like what are you gonna do about it i'm like it's his business he can refuse the right how would you
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handle that and he's like well i would just leave i said yeah that's why we're leaving and what do you
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think's going on with him and brecken's like i don't know maybe he's kind of a jerk i'm like yeah he
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was a jerk but is he a jerk i don't know maybe he had a bad day maybe his wife just died or got
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diagnosed with i don't know how do i know and so not only teaching consequences for behavior in that
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situation which is i won't do business with you and i won't send people to to your establishment
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but also is there some grace or nuance that we can be aware of is there a different narrative that
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we can craft that wouldn't paint somebody as a villain just because you know they they were upset with
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you um these are conversations that you can be having every day all day and you should you should
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be having those conversations don't assume that your kids connect the dots because they don't they're
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12 or nine or six um i actually picked up a um all right i i got a i've got a good list of movies
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that i that i pulled up that might be good for a 12 year old boy um so number one is uh and i just
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did this in chat gpt so some i agree with and some i don't but number one sandlot which you said
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i would agree with that um karate kid classic that's a good one the original karate kid yeah
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the original yeah um rocky it says lord of the rings on here i mean if that's your thing i don't
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like lord of the rings but if that's your thing then there's some there's some lessons to be learned
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12 that's kind of dark like kind of scary yeah i made the mistake of letting my kids watch that
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when they're younger and everyone's having nightmares oh yeah i do that all the time with my
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nine-year-old i'm like oh i shouldn't let them watch the vampire movie or whatever
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um i'm just sabotaging the other this one i didn't think about but it makes sense the princess bride
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it's hilarious it's funny but it's got a lot of lessons about commitment and bravery in it so that's
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a good one yeah that is a good this one this one is i man this is definitely on my top top 10 maybe top
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five remember the titans that is a great movie yes yeah in fact i literally just added that to a
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playlist to watch with my son literally like three days ago i was like oh we got to watch this this
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is such a movie yeah um there's a couple of others like i don't know spider-man and some of the stuff
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i agree with but um there's five or six that i would go with lion lion king lion king's good man
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that's that's a classic there's a lot of lessons in there about legacy and showing up powerfully and
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stepping into the role that you're made for that's actually a really cool movie too yeah yeah that's
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good list we did good yeah i don't know about spider-man the other ones i i agree with yeah it's
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spider-man into the spider-verse and then holes holes is funny but i'm not sure that it like really
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is like on a list that a young man should watch necessarily what's going on with shia labouf or
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labouf man that guy is did i saw a video of him the other day and he was like outside of a bar drunk
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and trying to fight people that guy's had such a rough go he got sober and he did this really cool
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uh podcast with john bergenthal i think his name yeah the real ones real ones episode so yeah so it was
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so good with him and i think he's like relapsed and man i don't know i feel i i don't know him
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and it's easy to just like throw stones but i feel bad for that dude like he has gone through some
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shit it doesn't excuse the behavior but man i have some empathy for that for sure yeah well and i love
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his his level of rawness right on that podcast and so good you know he's bright oh yeah his mind is
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brilliant you know what i mean but it just proves like how often ryan have you seen in life where you
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see someone and you go their number one struggle is them is themselves like how unfortunate that is
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that we are probably the biggest roadblock in our lives it's not circumstances it's not other people
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it's our own doing and you know you hate to see people that are just capable of so much and they're
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getting in their own way you know yeah it's it's actually pretty tragic you know when you see
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somebody really struggle again it doesn't excuse two things can exist you can have consequences for
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your actions and not excuse the behavior but also have just a level of humanity and empathy for a guy who
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is going through some real dark things i don't want to see people go through that
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yeah totally all right got one more question for us from josh leonard a little bit of a long one but
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the the the full uh question here makes you know i think we need all of it for context he says i started
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working in alaska last year for my brother's construction company um and this was in last may
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about october i started showing signs of depression not knowing at the time between that time and when i came
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home for winter which was thanksgiving our communication suffered he's talking about his
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marriage and our long distance intimacy dropped completely off i've been home three months now
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and we've been intimate three times up until last week i never realized the distance and the lack of
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communication and the depression was as bad as it was i leave in a week to go back to alaska to work
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and she is beyond pissed saying i haven't let her down saying i haven't let her down emotionally but
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physically and she says she doesn't know how she wants to feel about this my question should i even
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try to do anything before i leave and continue being there emotionally as much as i can or no
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so i just want to paraphrase to make sure i got it right so he's been working in alaska he came home
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he had he's he's been experiencing depression since october um came home has been home for three months
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not real intimate sounds like she wants to be more physically intimate than he does and that's probably
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a symptom of his depression and then he's leaving in a week and she's mad that he wasn't physically
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present for her in the time that he was there am i understanding that correctly yep that's what i read as
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well okay and then should i try to do it the last i got a little confused on the last part should i try
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to do anything emotionally read that part to me again yeah my question is should i even try i mean
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it's kind of a silly question in my opinion sorry josh my question is should i even try to do anything
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before i leave and continue being there emotionally as much as i can or no do like doing anything before
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i leave what like having sex or like how like i don't know like yes you i mean you should do
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something yeah like she's not happy so yeah the answer is do something yeah do something um you got
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to fix your shit man and and i'm saying that with out of love like i'm not i'm not being a jerk but
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you you've got some issues that you've got to work through and there's a lot of ways that you can do
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that but i would definitely involve her in the process and say hey babe look i i know that the
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last three months has been hard on you and it's been hard on me too and i'm struggling i'm suffering
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again this is the vulnerability conversation we're having so if you just leave it there
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it's not real positive or constructive but what i would say is hey babe i'm struggling and suffering and
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what i'm gonna do for the for the week that i'm home here is i'm going to um talk with a therapist
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i'm gonna um build some friendships i'm gonna get it get a hobby uh i'm gonna start working out and
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eating better i'm gonna work on my sleep schedule i'm actually also i've got an appointment with the
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doctor to get my blood levels tested my hormone to see where my hormones are at see if things are
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out of whack there and i just want you to know that the relationship that we have is so important
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to me that i see that i need to make some changes in my life and i would like your support in that
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i would i would like you to to understand that i'm trying to fix this for me and for us
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and i want to be here emotionally and mentally and physically i i love you i'm attracted to you
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and i see that there's some things i need to do on my end and i gave you the list
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eat better move your body um you know with it with you being in alaska it's probably cold and dark and
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miserable at times so that could be adding to your depression as well uh you know i don't know about
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alaska but seattle is notorious for depression because of the same the pacific northwest right
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or uh yeah northwest um get your hormones checked get some friends find a meaningful hobby do some
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journaling there's like six things that you can do today that are gonna actually start moving the
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needle in improving now if it's chronic depression you need to see a medical professional about it but
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the things that i told you even if it is chronic depression the things that i told you are going
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to improve your mood a hundred percent like i even food like i've been more sensitive to food as i get
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a little bit older than i have in the past and i would love to go to carl's jr today and get a double
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bacon western cheeseburger which is my go-to fast food burger that is that is it for me i would love it
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it sounds delicious my mouth is watering right now but i won't yeah because although it's going to be good
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for like three minutes man i'll get bloated and sluggish and diarrhea and like all the things that
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come with eating that then i'm like that's not worth it to me i'll eat clean i'll eat healthy i'll
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eat i'll get some lean beef or eat some chicken and some asparagus and some rice and have a bunch of
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water like yeah it's not as sexy but i just know i'll feel better and that's what i'm after at 44 years
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old so you just have to make those sacrifices yeah sitting in the sauna is good for me like i love
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sitting in the sauna for 10 to 15 to 20 minutes is what i'm doing now three to four days a week i love
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it just sweat it all out sit in there and quiet like a little bit of suffering that comes with it and
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then after a good sweat i'm like man i feel good so i get my workout in 45 to 55 minute workout and
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15 to 20 minutes in the sauna three to four days a week i'm on fire totally totally you know josh one
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thing you know i'm not gonna like pretend to be addressing depression right but but a consideration
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for you is there's power of having hope for the future and so why are you up there what's this what's
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the point of it you know get connected why are you working hard why are you guys separating from one
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another is there is there light at the end of that tunnel have you identified that what's her
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excitement about it hey we're gonna we're gonna separate i'm gonna go into a different state and do
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all this work but when i get back we're going to do this like get really clear just don't grind and go
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well it's just it is what we have to do to make money right it's like get clear on why this suffering
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or this period of your time why you're doing what you're doing and get really clear with your
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with your spouse on what the future looks like so you guys can work towards it you don't lose sight
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of it and this isn't just no light at the end of the tunnel and and difficulty in your relationship
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i mean full disclosure i don't mean to dramatize this but like josh i mean this could break you
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this could break your relationship so you need to be really clear like is it worth it
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and why are you doing it and make sure that she's enrolled
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that's great advice i mean even can she am i dramatizing it do you feel that like i feel that
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no right yeah like she i think you're spot on like i don't know yeah it's hard man like it's really
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hard it's hard on you it's hard on her i don't know if you guys have kids but you know if you don't
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it's easier just bring her up have her stay with you a couple weeks out of the out of the month
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like if you have to be up there for work i get that and i i can appreciate that bring her up man
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show her around have her have her be up there with you for a week or two you know have grandparents
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watch the kids if that's the case and bring her up and spend some time with her let her know she's
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important um it's easy to say when you're not depressed when you're depressed and in a hole
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it's like you don't see that as easily but that's why you got to fix yourself man
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you have to take responsibility for your for your health and and we gave you the ways to do it so
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you don't have to do all those things by the way but you have to do something and um i had a guy
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um mark walsh on the podcast and he was talking about this and i think what he said was
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we when it comes to depression you know you have all this this clinical ideas and thoughts about it
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therapy and that can work and there's value in that but the first thing that a man needs to do
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is get out of his mind and into his body breath work cold exposure heat exposure physical discomfort
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training working out uh joining a gym a jiu-jitsu gym martial arts going for a run going for a walk
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box breathing like whatever you can do to get out of your mind and into your body is going to help you
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be a more integrated person and you're just immediately going to feel better like if you sat and breathed
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you would feel better if you set up a cold a cold bath and you're in alaska in the winter it
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shouldn't be too difficult like cold exposure go in there go sit in the lake for two minutes
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you know break a piece of ice and go sit in the lake from for a minute or two and yeah things are
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going to slip away that fog that you're feeling that haze will definitely improve you know one thing
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that crossed my mind just really uh maybe a value add to you josh i now that i think about it i've had
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this problem when i first started um my consulting company geez 15 years ago the first contract i
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landed was with the military for the dod and literally within a week's period of time i hopped
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on a plane found a place to stay and i moved out to um arlington and asia stayed here in utah with the
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kids and we learned something really quick we learned that it doesn't didn't matter if we talk daily
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if we went beyond three weeks of not seeing each other we made up drama it was like what are you
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doing you didn't call me back like like we lost our we were starting to lose our connection after
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three weeks and we'd started getting in a fight for no reason like we're making stuff up and and
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that's us right every every couple's different but we decided at that point it's like hey there's no more
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than more than three weeks that we don't see each other and so every three weeks or so she would fly
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out to the dc area and we'd spend the weekend you know exploring dc and then i'd say goodbye and i'd
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back to work and that's what we had to do for that period of time because our our mayor it was disrupting
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our marriage and our relationship if we were away from each other for too long so and you might have to
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identify the same thing i'm curious about the making up uh making up fights and things i my my
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theory you you tell me what you think about this but one of my theories as you were saying that is do
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you feel like you guys made up fights because it felt more connected than just the monotony and not
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seeing each at least it was something to connect over do you know do you see what i'm saying yeah this
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is what i think i think when there is not enough what's the term i'm looking for when there's not
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enough contribution to one another in a relationship you start looking for evidence to back a little bit
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of your feelings that maybe this person doesn't care as much as you thought they did and then you'll
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find evidence of it it's like easily you know the minute i tell her like yeah exactly like oh you
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didn't call me back for three hours i'm like yeah i was just at the gym who's at the gym right it's
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like oh my gosh right like but but if you don't feel loved like if you're not feeling loved by someone
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you will look for the evidence to help support that feeling period right so you got to address it
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and addressing it might be you need to be around each other or you make commitments right it's like we
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we communicate better with each other or you know there's obviously some self-work to be done
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around that right if you're jumping to the conclusion that you're not loved i mean it's
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something else and unrelated to the relationship but but regardless right navigate the water
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yeah agreed yeah wild you know what one thing that came up with yeah absolutely and you know what
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what's sad you know not to use josh's circumstance um but like men need men to talk to
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right and and we get to have this conversation with josh we actually don't know josh but we get
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to have this conversation with him because he happened to post a question right on the facebook
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group well if he was part of the iron council he probably wouldn't have not posted that question
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why because he's part of a battle team of 10 to 15 other men that he knows that he meets with on
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a weekly basis that they're all rowing the same a boat in the same direction and progressing and they
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they intimately know one another he would have had this conversation not just with one or two guys
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on a podcast he would have had it with his team and his team would probably be following up with him
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next week about how's it going giving him additional insights and additional recommendations and he could
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work through stuff that's the power of the iron council that's the power of having a battle team that's
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the power of having a brotherhood of men that are willing to support and speak into you and so maybe
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a call to action for josh or if you feel like you relate to josh look into the iron council look to band
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with us uh and get connected with like-minded guys that will hold you accountable where so when we have
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these difficult times in our lives we have a network to work with that will support us so to learn more
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go to order man.com iron council and of course you know connect with michler on on the on the socials
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anything else sir that you want to add on on the ic well i was just going to say one of the other
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things one of the other benefits is that you know you could hear this advice from me and kip and and it
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could be good advice or not good advice but you could hear it once and implement it and then you kind
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of always slip back into old patterns the cool thing about that scenario is if josh is on a battle team
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those guys are checking in on him daily hey man how you feeling hey man did you go to the gym today
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hey did you get your cold exposure in hey when when did you schedule the time to go into the doctor to
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get your hormonal levels checked your blood work done that's that's accountability there's an
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interesting thing about accountability that i heard from a previous guest father stephen gadbury and he
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said you know pointing things out to people is not accountability hey man you're doing this wrong
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you're doing that wrong you're doing this wrong do this different do that's not accountability
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that could just be being a jerk and casting stones he said true accountability is being willing to call
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behavior out in a person that you care about and walk with them in the journey and if you're not
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walking with a person in a journey then you might just be a jerk true accountability takes place when
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somebody says i know you can do better and i'm gonna help you make sure that you do and i'm gonna
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walk with you in it and you're gonna do the same thing for me by the way and we're gonna do this
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together that's true accountability so again order of man.com iron council kip i appreciate you man
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guys great questions today hopefully we gave you some things to ponder on and consider um i'm very
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curious about what other movies boys should watch i've got three boys and a little girl so if you guys
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have movies hit me up let me know and we'll share those as well uh we will be back on friday until
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